Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[languid tiger]

er thread

i suggest powerstancing crescent moon greataxes

[cobalt radish]

I'm also doing quality build so I can try most weapons out and it was pretty fun

[frozen olive]

yeah it's great

there's tons of cool weapons

[frozen olive]

getting network connection issues constantly trying to play Nightreign today

love to see it

i haven't even been able to get into a match yet with my friends

yeah it's refusing to work at all

keeps booting me out every single time i try to launch the game

[median rock]

why crescent moon ones? just easiest to farm + also look cool?

im personally a fan of the good ol' capra demon cosplay with dual heavy/occult omenkiller cleavers

[obtuse halo]

surprisingly powerstancing is one thing I've just never really done much of

even most of my "dual wield" type builds use two different types of weapons

(notably, Lady Aurelia uses the Noble's Slender Sword with a Shamshir offhand)

[real shadow]

A-rank at +24/25 if attuned to heavy.

A respectable C-rank at +25 if Fire attuned.

[median rock]

not unique to them, and they have worse scaling than most of the other A tier greataxes iirc

[real shadow]

Yeah, but also very easy to get early and can carry you through a lot of the game.

[median rock]

so are longhaft axes, which has marginally AR/scaling and i think is around the same to get, so im just curious if topple has a specific reason for crescent moon axes

[obtuse halo]

yeah i was gonna say, there's nothing wrong with crescent moon axe but availability and coolness would be the main reasons to use it

there's definitely weapons with more math you can throw out there

also having tried axe powerstance briefly I hated it so much I reworked the build into something else lol

[median rock]

yeah, i just suggested omenkillers specifically bc they're pretty easy to get (no farming needed, two pretty easy minor bosses to kill) + bleed lol

[obtuse halo]

greataxes might be different but still

[real shadow]

Oh right it has a unique R2.

[median rock]

yeah but thats not super consequential when powerstancing anything heavy

i think if you're powerstancing greats/colossals, a lot of your damage is just gonna be jump l1s

huh, neat. bothered to look up the (almost entirely inconsequential) weapon range thing, didn't reailze the butcher knife had actually good range?

[real shadow]

Yeah, powerstancing is a very different ballgame and one I generally didn't bother with.

[median rock]

i used it a bit on my very first playthrough but i haven't gone back to it, didn't realize it was actually that long. cool

[obtuse halo]

I guess I do technically have a powerstance greatsword build but it's kind of a weird one

for one thing it's an almost pure int build

Cold Flamberge + Death's Poker

[languid tiger]

coolness + slightly better overall qual scaling + the unique r2

which is pretty excellent as a contrast to the powerstanced l1

[median rock]

ah true didn't think about quality scaling

[languid tiger]

the massive horizontal sweep is goated

[cobalt radish]

my partner and I have reached Malenia

[obtuse halo]

Woo!

[cobalt radish]

reached, that's about it

coughs

[kind garden]

did you get the scarlet rot

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ65LzmEFi4

[plush cliff]

You can dodge them to get ult gauge!?

[real shadow]

YUP

NEWS TO ME TOO lmao

[thin stratus]

THEY BROUGHT BACK THROW ESCAPES??? I DONT THINK THAT WAS IN THE TUTORIAL

[kind garden]

throw escape has never

ever

ever

ever been tutorialized

[proven cloak]

its! in the expanded manual!

.... I think

[frozen olive]

throw escape?

[glossy delta]

You can button mash to shorten the duration of select grabs
Which ones you can shake are arbitrary and the game doesn't tell you about the mechanic at all

[frozen olive]

ahhhh

[real shadow]

Some grabs have an "HP" bar that's reduced by button-mashing.

Day 3 bosses either don't have that hidden HP bar or it's so ludicrously high that they're effectively infinite but, as the video shows, there's a fair few you can escape from.

[trim owl]

Dark Souls 3 taught me to always mash those types of things

[thin stratus]

id swear theres at least been a dialogue about "trying to escape being grabbed" even if it didnt name or explain the mechanic or how to interact with it.

[cobalt radish]

my partner and I have survived Malenia and also have reached Crumbling Fazum something

I was more excited about all the bell bearings because now I can upgrade just about everything I wanted

the rune farm here makes it so damn easy to upgrade anything you want to try, it's so much fun

[obtuse halo]

perspective is screwing with me here here I was deadass like "wow that's a weird looking Dismounter" before I figured out it was a Cross Naginata

[cobalt radish]

the ash of war system is so interesting when you get to experiment with them

especially since so many gives you range option to turn your sword into a gun

and I'm going with quality build so the options is near limitless

[vestal night]

he does get extra spells each time you report to him

but yeah

[frozen olive]

Gideon Ofnir is indeed a moron

[ember isle]

Gideon yapping at me for half a minute

Me hitting all my prep spells before charging up the heresy laser beam

[obtuse halo]

To be fair I'm not sure that was his plan per se

[frozen olive]

I used Inescapable madness on him while he was monologuing tbh

Standing there like an idiot yapping

[vestal night]

he presumably never actually expected you to get this far

[obtuse halo]

And fighting you openly was never really part of it up until the end, when his rant seems to suggest his plan is pretty well shot anyway

[frozen olive]

Fuck you, madness attack

[obtuse halo]

he tries to have you killed through proxies several times though

[vestal night]

or actually make a serious attempt at becoming Lord

[obtuse halo]

Most obviously with Ensha but also he sends you after the Albinauric Woman but has a Bloodhound Knight lurking in the cave

[vestal night]

it's so fucking funny when you talk to him after Ensha attacks you

[obtuse halo]

The Recusant that invades you near the Limgrave Colosseum is also one of his agents

[vestal night]

"oh my personal assassin attacked you? Wow that's crazy, but I had nothing to do with that. He totally just did that on his own"

[obtuse halo]

though that may or may not be on his direct orders; he was infiltrating volcano manor and you might legitimately just have been a target of opportunity there

[ember isle]

Ensha should've stuck to aurafarming in the corner, now he's in the shadow dimension

[obtuse halo]

Of course he is more or less openly collaborating with you by the time you're exploring the snowfield, but only after you've killed several of his assassins. At that point I imagine he is just kind of hoping Mogh or Malenia deals with you

[frozen olive]

Gideon Ofnir you big fucking nerd where are my runes

[obtuse halo]

sort of a xanatos play really - either you die and aren't his problem anymore, or you actually do bring him back information he can use

[vestal night]

He does get Scarlet Aeonia if you tell him about Malenia

[frozen olive]

Consider:

[obtuse halo]

Yeah he gets a bunch of stuff depending on your choices

[vestal night]

He gets one spell for each boss you report to him IIRC

[obtuse halo]

He picks up Scarlet Aeonia and Bloodboon if you tell him about Malenia and Mogh respectively, and he'll have Comet Azur if you didn't do Sellen's Quest

also while people dunk on him and aren't unreasonable to do so, I found him to be weirdly one of the hardest fights on Bow-only

Godfrey took me one try. Gideon took me more like 30 or 40

[sleek plover]

Gideon Ofnir is the potential man of elden ring and a huge fraud who got jumped in 1080p

[proven cloak]

Honestly I respect how real he keeps it

[sleek plover]

nevermind you're an absolute legend to take him on with a bow

[proven cloak]

actually compliments you like 3-4 times before and after his boss fight

[sleek plover]

I'd actually appreciate the compliments if he didn't instadrop his adoptive daughter over some omenkiller

that's my ride or die mf I'm killing you if i find you outside the roundtable

[covert schooner]

Watching Vaati’s video on the Metyr stuff and he puts forward the theory that uhh

Metyr was damaged by the finger slayer blade at some point and that’s why she can’t pick up messages from Jesus Christ Christ

Which I mention because tbh my interpretation was always just that the greater will is a deadbeat dad

[frozen olive]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

type shit

[covert schooner]

Bro assumed his initial instructions were sufficient and stopped picking up calls

[glossy delta]

I suppose wounding Metyr could have been what got Nokron all fucked up

[covert schooner]

Yeah that’s his theory

Also explains the giant fucking stab would in her……

Uh

Front I guess

[plush cliff]

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Bluesky · Jul 24, 2025, 12:57 AM

[proven cloak]

Theres also quite a bit of implication that the Nox were tied to Finger-Worship earlier on

Clothing and symbols, Finger cathedrals in places tied to them (Carian's + Ymir), general fascination with stars and how they dictate fate. Could definitely fit the fingerslayer blade being 'treason' if it was used against something considered holy in that society.

[real shadow]

https://youtu.be/PDe4NwHJAEQ

[median rock]

nice, that'll be fun

[trim owl]

Kinda funny that they're treating it like it's a big deal when it really should have just been possible from the start lol

Still I'm glad they actually added it

[real shadow]

Well, that and a mod came out to do the exact same thing within a day of its release.

It really shouldn't have taken 2 months, y'know?

[median rock]

to be fair, i think a large part of it is that the game is designed for 3 players first and foremost

solo play is fun but you can tell it's obviously not the intended way on a lot of the bosses, with dog and bug being the most obvious

i didn't realize that pre-game-release, but i can imagine if they'd added duos from the start, you'd be seeing a lot more complaints about 'these boss mechanics/attacks are a nightmare in solo and duos'

(and i'd rather they keep interesting multiplayer gameplay than make an enjoyable solo experience, personally - if i wanted that, i'd go play elden ring randomizer or something)

[old brook]

What's so different about 3 over 2? Just having someone to distract while rezzing?

[median rock]

distract while rezzing, clears out encounters/encampments a lot faster when you're not fighting "one guy that everybody needs to focus for it to die", more loot to share around, etc. mostly

discounting the obvious ones of "yeahh i don't think XYZ duo bosses would be very fun as a pure duo fight, because if one person goes down and you don't have a res ult, good luck" (for minor bosses - hippo+crucible. for nightlords - dogs, bugs obviously but really any of them that have a long projectile/ground aoe mechanic)

i'm sure it wouldn't be unplayable and it is/will still be fun (i've done duo everdark bugs due to a leaver), but i think that if the game had been planned for 1/2/3 at the start, they would have probably not included as many 'raid mechanic' things

[old brook]

This all makes sense

But also the raid mechanics don't ever really seem

Fun

Nightreign is a neat experiment but just seems reaal.. idk

Haphazardly held together

[median rock]

dunno. i'm quite enjoying it, and i think the raid mechanics are very enjoyable

[frozen olive]

the raid mechanics as i've experienced them have sort of just made everything difficult so far whenever they happen on a run

[median rock]

my main issues with it so far are

• the seeds do get kinda predictable, which is fair enough. i hope in the future they manage to expand it so it's not quite as predictable
• certain shifting earths are kinda boring to play through for the Nth time, because they're... ^ super predictable
• i do not like the augur fight. does anybody like the augur fight?

[trim owl]

I mean it's not the worst

[frozen olive]

Noklateo is my least favourite shifting earth

[trim owl]

that was one of the ones I soloed

[median rock]

augur fight is incredibly easy, it's just. not enjoyable if you're not bringing a ranged weapon. i do not like either sprinting to get one attack in, or just picking up a seal and a bunch of starlight shards

[old brook]

I shall remain stuck with lore videos v-v

[median rock]

noklateo is definitely my least favorite, yeah

[frozen olive]

it's good to have it

[trim owl]

Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed Nightrein a lot so far, but I've also only played solo or with 3 friends on voice

[median rock]

yeah but i don't enjoy doing it lol

[trim owl]

I don't dare try with randoms

[frozen olive]

but more often than not you just get owned

it's a net negative

cause it takes up SO much of the map

and if you die during the boss fight?

you might as well quit the run like 90% of the time

it spawns you in the middle of fuckass nowhere

[old brook]

Pretty much everything unique about Nightreign is kind of a downside for me, I'm not a Randomizer fan to begin with so it's sort of a wall

[frozen olive]

and you have to trek the entire way through all of Noklateo to get back

[trim owl]

I haven't done the mountain yet, but out of the others, the scarlet rot has to be the worst

esp because the night 2 boss usually ends up there

[frozen olive]

i like Scarlet Woods

great for getting runes for max level

[median rock]

i never get owned there, but

• i hate fighting the 10th deathblight headless in a row to get a 5% chance for a legendary, because despite being really good EV it's boring
• i wish it wasn't consistently the same bosses every time. especially the black knifes, you just spam r1 them to death
• yeah no the respawn spot sucks
• there are like, no fucking rises on the map when it spawns. i get MAX 2, and if i'm unlucky it's only 1 on the opposite corner of the map to me, and not in a route for either day 1 or day 2

[frozen olive]

ngl

i never go for rises

ever

[median rock]

when i'm playing a character that wants staves, i go for rises

[frozen olive]

i cannot be fucked to memorize all the ways you can open them

[trim owl]

It's a big help for Recluse

[frozen olive]

i was going to main Recluse but i found her to just not be so fun to play so i'm Revenant main

[median rock]

i've got a really cracked build w/ "more FP if you have 3 staves" and "FP up for each rise opened" that means hitting ~2 rises is often instant win button

i do it on duchess consistently, its amazing

[frozen olive]

mhm

[median rock]

but yeah no its useless otherwise lol

i think crater is fine, i don't dislike crater, but i do get kinda annoyed at the running sections - its wayy more than rotten woods or noklateo

but the fights arent awful and the body loot pinatas are fun. mountaintops i just get lost repeatedly but im sure if i do it more id get used to it, though that first dragon still sucks

[median rock]

ive had good experiences with randoms, fwiw

i'd definitely recommend giving it a try when you'd be doing a solo run anyway. as long as you're pretty assertive with pinging things, and you're pinging generally-reasonable places to go, then it's smooth sailing

[covert schooner]

Thinkin about how people, especially miquella, in the dlc calling you shit like Marika’s Lord

Basically hardline confirms the old theories about this all being Marika’s master plan to reforge the Golden Order

With probably the only two things you can do to break plan being Ranni and Frenzy endings

[gray leaf]

counterpoint: Miquella thinks this is part of Marika's master plan. And/or calls you Marika's Lord simply because, in most endings, you are the Lord Consort to Marika, and just as a god requires a lord, a lord requires a god.

[cobalt radish]

my partner and I have beat up Maliketh, finish up Godfrey, and then went to the land of Shadow

it's refreshing to have a whole new place to explore again that's gonna take a long while to do so

i also should not have spent a dragon somber stone on the first somber weapon I have found here...

[sleek plover]

im gonna keep it 100% with you

you're going to feel that way with a lot of the weapons there

[dusky harbor]

Onyx Lords sword is so cool I took it to max as soon as I could

Usually I’m a MLGS truther but this sword is so much fun

[proven cloak]

in all endings you do what Marika tasked the Tarnished to do - kill her

she'd probably have different opinions on the FF ending versus the Fia ending if she was in a position to respond, but

its all sort of under her plan anyway

Ranni's ending is the only one where her corpse is laid to rest, even

[cobalt radish]

talked to moore guy in SoTE, found one of his pest guy, talked to him again, and then he said one of the brood was killed?

like, what, i didn't touch that guy, did I screw up or is this intended?

[trim owl]

yes, there are some peaceful pest things that don't aggro on you

he gets mad if you kill them

[cobalt radish]

but I ddin't touch any of them

that's the problem

i didnt kill them and he got this dialogue

[trim owl]

they're out in the world in random locations. you might have killed one by accident or without realizing

[cobalt radish]

and the wiki is not helping...

[plush cliff]

Strange

We know you can heal them with a warming stone or something like that, but we don't know if they just die if you don't heal them

[cobalt radish]

okay, this is impossible

like

i checked the wiki

the first kindred we found is the first possible one we have met

and it's fine

so this makes no sense

[trim owl]

might just be a bug with seamless or smth

[cobalt radish]

probably...

[dusky harbor]

Yeah seamless is really buggy with NPC dialogue and even locations

I’ve had Dialos show up at both the Roundtable Hold and Volcano Manor, repeating dialogue from earlier or in the wrong location

[sleek plover]

🙂‍↕️

seamless coop is prone to fucked questlines

[trim owl]

I'm honestly surprised it works at all

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRq-0ezS9Iw

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TKCPQ2XKZo

[plush cliff]

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Bluesky · Jul 27, 2025, 10:57 AM

[arctic geyser]

Is the pocket watch not duchess'?

Because I thought it was

And I found it funny for the gremlin to be like, "I found this, take it, I don't want it"

And duchess is like, "...that's my pocket watch, did you steal it?"

And gremlin goes, "I said I FOUND it!"

[kind garden]

that's not the pocket watch

that's the crown medal

[arctic geyser]

Crown medal?

[kind garden]

Duchess remembrance relic

[arctic geyser]

Not a pocketwatch?

[kind garden]

yes

[arctic geyser]

That's crazy

[real shadow]

https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/19271048/

[cobalt radish]

Well that was really funny

'okay let's viwit the Shadowkeep and advance the story, where this hole lead to'

'wow that's a lot of furnace golems dead, wait there's a path here

'wow that's a alot of catacomb markers, let go into one, it can't be that long'

'WHERE THE FUCK ARE WE, Why does this catacomb lead to an open area?!?!'

Unplanned and complete random

[real shadow]

That's the SotE experience in a nutshell.

[cobalt radish]

we technically fought like 3 bosses to get there lmao

[cobalt radish]

base ER can be so vertical sometimes

and then SotE just trump even that

[frozen olive]

SOTE was so peak to explore on release

Me and my friend kept finding new areas over and over

[median rock]

i spent so fucking long trying to figure out how to reach the area north of the jagged peak

I was convinced they were connected bc the map fragment for the peak shows the very bottom edge of the region above, but I absolutely couldn't figure out any possible way to get there

[proven cloak]

I spent hours trying to get to Ruins named Finger

eventually my friends just started telling me "nah dw about it yet you cant get there. You'll know when you find it."

[sleek plover]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TaGQufOwTpM

[frozen olive]

remembering how much i love Gnoster and Faurtis

what a fantastic fight

also such, fantastical music

prolly my second favourite track after Caligo, Miasma of Night

which is unmatched for obvious reasons

[glossy delta]

Every time I hear Caligo brought up I feel like I'm playing a different game from all yall

[plush cliff]

How so?

[glossy delta]

I wasn't particularly enchanted by its music and find the fight itself totally unbearable, whereas most folks the the music is peak and like the fight

[trim owl]

unbearable in what sense?

I thought it was pretty cool (pun intended); also, coming off the back of goat man (Libra), it felt significantly easier

[glossy delta]

It's elden ring dragon fights pumped up to 11, where most of it's moves are giant AOEs with vague hitboxes that totally floor you on hit
In addition to breath attacks it also has body explosions in that same category, that linger for several seconds so your only recourse is to Stand Back And Do Nothing

[plush cliff]

Caligo feels like a monster hunter fight for some reason

[old brook]

I still find him somewhat strange with the aesthetic of frenzy previously

[median rock]

i've only fought caligo fight 2x but that was more or less my take - i wasn't really paying attn to the music, and just spent both fights going "man, where the fuck am i supposed to be running to dodge this one?"

easy wins both times, it's not that i lost 2x and never loaded it up again. and it wasn't quite as bad as augur (since you could hit its feet a lot more) but it just didn't compel me very much as a fight

[frozen olive]

Augur is by far my least favourite

[trim owl]

my vote goes to Libra I think

[median rock]

just did 4 runs in a row at the final nightlord, working on the achievement for 'beat the final nightlord with all characters'. only got ironeye and recluse left (had wylder and executor before this, got duchess/guardian/raider/revenant tonight

gotta say, revenant's kit feels super lacking on nightlord fights. raider's abilites aren't amazing either but they're fun to use, and he's got a pretty cool niche

but revenant's kit feels like the same for me, and against most bosses my summons exist to do a tiny bit of damage before they inevitably explode. i guess they're better in like, BOFA jails, but those are BOFA jails and therefore not exactly the most difficult fights in the game

combined with the difficulty in finding good seals, and FP regen for them? idk, only reason we won that one is because one of my randoms dropped me maliketh's blade at the end there. would love if her summons got adjusted to just be like 2x tankier or something in a patch, so they're at least consistently able to hold aggro for a bit

on the bright side, the final nightlord is a pretty fun fight, and it's also one that's pretty easy to carry for randoms that don't know the moveset yet. combos are long enough and move the boss enough that you can hold aggro super well if you're just trying to hold aggro and not deal any more damage than that. one day i'll finally get consistent with the "5 slices into ground slam" phase 2 attack (the ||infused one that summons lines on the ground, on the final ground slam|| i'm so off by a beat 50% of the time lol)

[frozen olive]

Her ult high-key carrying her viability

Love Revenant but she's not amazing for final bosses

Also you wanna bank on fp shards hard

I always go for the extra pouch from the merchant when i play with friends and get them to buy me shards if they have leftover money

If i'm high enough level before i face the final boss i might forgo a level to have money for shards and a flask

We usually do warming stones as well for flask conservation

[median rock]

yeah i grabbed a bunch of shards, and i was running the +damage buff on her ult and everything. did the final boss at like lvl 15 with 6 shards, crimson bubbletear and whorl

tbh its really just that the only good way to get seals is to gamble at finding the good ones in churches and the little houses, if youre not lucky enough to get a madness tower or smth

[frozen olive]

yeah getting good seals is a gamble

same thing with staves and recluse

[trim owl]

I've heard that the bell is good on her, but I haven't tried it myself yet. Seems kinda boring to play with just that.

[frozen olive]

it is

[trim owl]

both good and boring?

[frozen olive]

boring as hell

pretty decent

[median rock]

for recluse i haven't had a bad time finding staves, mostly bc i run +fp for sorcerers rises opened and +fp for 3+ staves

and you're more likely to find a single copy of shattering crystal or stars of ruin than you are like, blackflame or lightning spear. for seals, i feel like half of the ones i find are like rejection + order's blade or rejection + heal or something

[frozen olive]

Yeah seals have an inordinate amount of actually completely and totally useless combinations

[trim owl]

(I was talking about revenant for the bell btw)

It's definitely possible to just get really unlucky with staffs though, it's happened to my friend a couple times when we play together (he only plays Recluse)

[median rock]

maybe i'm just that much more willing to accept bogus staff rolls when i've got a built-in way to recover my fp? the fight can take as long as it takes then, y'know?

[median rock]

just finished the runs, recluse and then ironeye down. recluse is a lot of fun if you just build enough FP to ignore restoration anyway - got to obliterate the final nightlord in <60s by virtue of carian regal scepter moon spam, powered by having like, ~400 FP or something absurd, as well as magic tear + 2 copies of the no fp tear

and the only reason ironeye isnt the easiest/strongest character in the game is bc wylder is better, imo. it's just so strong and braindead safe to play

[frozen olive]

lmao

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZlxJKuL80

[proven cloak]

Before it was revealed as 'Maris' I was expecting its name to be Polaris tbh

[onyx trench]

gonna give ER Reforged a proper try - anyone with experience in it at all with advice?

[sleek plover]

i used to play it, before SOTE came out, dont remember how far i got

uhhh

good luck on questlines not being bugged

dunno if it changed but when i played it seemed to hammer out a lot of cheese

sometimes they really want you to use all the different forms of evading attacks--so going in all dodging or all perfect guarding is deincentivized

[median rock]

i tried it a bit ago, my main takeaway was "wow, they really shoehorned a lot of these things in here". i think its a decently fun thing to mess around with, but i would try to take it as it comes, don't expect it to be very consistent quality

sometimes it does feel like "you're gonna play how we want you to play", yeah - kinda like convergence to some extent

[onyx trench]

Yeah, I've played Covergence a little before and just immediately offput by the class & progression system

[median rock]

i gave it a good shot, did like 2 playthroughs with a friend - i think they've got some fun ideas that are undercut by a lack of clear design goals in a lot of ways

[onyx trench]

ERR or Convergence?

[median rock]

convergence, ERR i dropped

convergence felt like it had a bit of an unclear direction in terms of "what are you supposed to have for progression, class and world wise", but all of the classes i played were fully polished and all of the areas were either (at the time i played) obviously wip/deferred, or fully complete coherent areas

not my vibe i guess, but i do think they did a really cool job with a lot of the new bosses and such

[onyx trench]

Okay, I'm goig to put it down

did some pottering around, things felt interesting, and then I hit Nerijus

wow the insane aggression and poise

[onyx trench]

oh, I also did a quick search to see if others had had a issue with Nerijus or if I was missing something, and while I didn't find anything on that I did discover that the lantern requires you to keep topping it up with oil, which is a consumable you have to craft

[outer flint]

did messmer 2nd try on ng+ 😌 even though it's been a year, I remember the fight

really cool and fun fight imo

[median rock]

messmer is probably my personal fave fight from the dlc. just super fun :)

[outer flint]

😌 I think mine is tied between him and rellana, but he might take it now because of the atmosphere and cutscene

[onyx trench]

So I tried Elden Vins for the flashy skill/spell stuff, and while I probably could have deduced it from the limited gifs they display of it, it frustratingly (for me) turns movement into this super high-speed spectacle fighter-esque thing

[median rock]

interesting, i haven't seen that before

it looks uh. rather comically OP

[onyx trench]

I thought a lot of the fast stuff was tied to specific weapons or skills and just wanted dumbass flashy attacks haha

[median rock]

even with apparently some souped up bosses

[onyx trench]

I just really love the LGS gameplay and I'm love to see that style in more weapon groups so I'm trawling combat overhaul mods haha

[onyx trench]

okay, after dicking around with mods that haven't really done it for me, my new hot take is that the game feels more interesting rn by not trying to sequence break anything

even soft ones like doing the Liurnia skip

[plush cliff]

Liurnia skip?

[onyx trench]

you can ride around Stormveil to reach Liurnia right at the beginning of the game

[plush cliff]

Oh that

[onyx trench]

so I started Bandit to do a thrusting sword build

[dusty kraken]

...can you? I didn't know that.

[onyx trench]

picked up a Rapier from roundtable instead of skipping for an Estoc, or farming for a Cleanrot

[obtuse halo]

Yep, you can skip stormveil very easily

[onyx trench]

not going out of Limgrave/Peninsula to grab higher level smithing stones etc

[plush cliff]

Yep! It’s a path right next to the broken bridge

Ikiryo ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) ...can you? I didn't know that.

[obtuse halo]

Not even a glitch there’s just a cliffside detour

[onyx trench]

and it's just interesting

yeah, the Liurnia skip is very much an intentional addition but designed (imo) to not really be noticeable until you've done Stormveil

so you can happily skip on later characters but for your first playthrough you're likely going to do SV first

[obtuse halo]

Funnily enough, glitchless minimum boss% I’m pretty sure requires you to kill only Radahn and Mohg to access Leyndell

These are the only two runebearers that can be reached without killing a second boss before fighting them

[plush cliff]

Grabbing high level smithing stones early has always seemed a bit weird to us, they make the game so much easier

weirdfool ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) not going out of Limgrave/Peninsula to grab higher level smithing stones etc

[dusty kraken]

Turning up to Godrick the Garfield with full +10 gear

[onyx trench]

I don't strictly mind it as such but I do think it really impacts the sense of progression in the mid game

arguably it has a negative effect, even

you go from smashing face and feeling powerful to doing less and less relative damage because upgrades are locked behind new zones

so you get a regressive effect instead of appreciating the progression

[plush cliff]

ngl the only real progression skips we do are things like grabbing a weapon from altus/caelid and getting levels for weapon requirements from greyoll

[onyx trench]

I did debate it because I'm planning on powerstancing thrusting swords and I currently just have a rapier

but actually man how good is it gonna feel to hit Liurnia after going through all of SV with just this

[obtuse halo]

Thrusting Sword Powerstance is pretty fun

[mystic void]

Ironically on my first run I accidentally did the Liurnia skip. Was really confused when I cleared the academy and still hadn't seen the cool omen boss I saw skill checking people in clips

[onyx trench]

hmm, where can I get some cool Limgrave/Peninsula drip?

Patches unfortunately gets a pass so I can pick up a second Estoc later

[obtuse halo]

I'm a big fan of the iron chestpiece you can get from the merchant in weeping peninsula near the outskirts of castle morne

not necessarily the whole set, but the chestpiece looks great

[languid tiger]

the champion set sells in limgrave-safe caelid

if that counts

[obtuse halo]

yeah, that's not bad

a little less convenient since it's a drop rather than a pickup, but Kaiden Set also looks great and its pieces look great with other things too

[onyx trench]

if it looks baller with a Rapier that's a bonus

[languid tiger]

i'm also a fan of the exile breastplate with uhhh

god i can't actually remember

i do like the kaiden set, yeah

[obtuse halo]

ah, my favorite look for a more aristocratic vibe unfortunately isn't available until Leyndell (High Page chest piece is beautiful). Well, technically Raya Lucaria but the grind is miserable to get it there.

[languid tiger]

oh, i never really liked the bougie stuff other than sanguine noble gear

[onyx trench]

ah, just looking at pics on the wiki

not sure I'm keen on Champion - not really my vibe

[obtuse halo]

I might like Sanguine Noble set more if it had shoes

[onyx trench]

Kaiden is pretty baller though and I think I have one or two pieces

[languid tiger]

you can get the blackflame set if you're careful, but that's in the hellsite part of caelid, so it's probably excluded

[onyx trench]

yeah, the idea of this playthrough is to actually do things in order haha

which is why I don't want to leave Limgrave before doing Stormveil

[obtuse halo]

here's high page chest + noble's gloves + consort's trousers, which was my running-around outfit for most of my pure dex fighter playthrough

[onyx trench]

okay I have Kaiden chest and boots

surely farming the other two pieces will be quick and easy

[obtuse halo]

chest is the best part of it anyway tbh

[onyx trench]

tbf

[frozen olive]

drip

[languid tiger]

kaiden set with bandit mask goes hard yeah

[onyx trench]

oh, just dropped the helm so now I have to get the gloves

we did it, chat

one of every piece with no repeats, even

What is the best Ash of War and why is it Impaling Thrust?

[obtuse halo]

huh, I was not thrilled by impaling thrust

if you like it though you should check out Frozen Needle though

since that's a really cool rapier with impaling thrust unfortunately locked on it

[onyx trench]

Imp Thrust does an unreasonably high amount of break damage

in addition to having a decent lunge and 80% shield pierce

[obtuse halo]

I guess, it's definitely no Square Off

[onyx trench]

I find SO to be a little slow for my liking

[obtuse halo]

the heavy mode of it is on the slow side, the light version is pretty dang fast though

I know I've won multiple pvp matches because someone put up their shield for a second and I just nailed them with LT+RB into an instant shield break

(followed by a critical of course)

[trim owl]

Imp thrust is pretty good for PvP. Very good for roll catching

[dusky harbor]

Maybe I’m just bad/not looking close enough but I feel like it was much easier to find new armor in like DS3 whereas in Elden Ring I went for the longest time with the Perfumers armor (granted it was also really because my vitality was so low I had to keep it light) but I feel like DS3 I was finding a new set constantly

[languid tiger]

you def find sets constantly in elden ring

other than the stuff to farm, there's armor in like half the dungeons

and tucked away in a ton of corners

[obtuse halo]

I do think one thing about elden ring is the open-worldness does make it a lot easier to just kind of...walk past sites of interest

there's loot in the dungeons but you can skip most dungeons pretty easily

[languid tiger]

yeah, it's easy to miss all sorts of loot

[obtuse halo]

so I can definitely see how you might feel like you're going long stretches without finding new and interesting equipment if you're doing a lot of exploring in the cavernous but often empty open world vs denser adventure sites

[onyx trench]

we dun did it, chat

[real shadow]

https://www.phixiv.net/en/artworks/133762213

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双巨复仇者！哈基蜗，你好温柔
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https://github.com/thelaao/phixiv · Aug 11, 2025, 11:17 AM

[onyx trench]

🙏

[outer flint]

yeah, i still need to get the wakizashi on my main save

accidentally stumbled onto it and the regalia of eochaid in my seamless run

just got lucky and curious in that area

[outer flint]

shell yeahh

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD8t3UkTv1o

[dusky harbor]

They need to add more scale bearing merchant encounters and effects so I can gamble harder

[cobalt radish]

it's done

my partner and I beat up Miquella and his horse, I had to use the thrusting shield to tank for the whole fight because their are bullshit

and then we went back to beat up Radagon and Elden Beast too, this time with a more normal tactic

[outer flint]

o7

[cobalt radish]

160 hours apparently

[trim owl]

🎉

[median rock]

congrats!

[frozen olive]

Conga rats

[frail sky]

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Bluesky · Aug 16, 2025, 9:01 AM

[real shadow]

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Bluesky · Apr 27, 2025, 5:13 PM

[kind garden]

GOAT DEAD

everdark libra is the silliest, stupidest boss they've ever designed

[plush cliff]

What’s his gimmick?

[kind garden]

he cuts the arena into quadrants and summons npc invader clones of your team to fight you

[plush cliff]

That is very cool

[median rock]

he seems to have a weirdly high amount of hp

that or just my randoms don't attack him enough

feels more natural in duos than trios but still quite high

[kind garden]

more he's remarkably resistant to damage after phase 2 pops

[median rock]

sure, replace "more HP" with "gains more damage resistance" i suppose - but it's still "wow, he's surprisingly durable". i think i would have appreciated it more if he had a mini-everdark bugs thing, where the condemned summon damage him on dying, maybe

or i guess that's how augur works more but

they're not very hard to kill (like 4-5 hits ime and their AI is bad), so i have had no issues with them as enemies, but maybe that would make the fight feel less awkwardly drawn out

[kind garden]

it's a screwy fight

[outer flint]

that's cool

[kind garden]

It is torturous

[outer flint]

😭

[hybrid perch]

Who’s the person with the frenzied flame thingy

[median rock]

their tarnished, i believe

[proven cloak]

the KillsThemselves squad

[median rock]

really minor complaint: i wish nightreign had a better way to see on the map if something is "directly under me", whether its a treasure chest / the other guy running right behind me/etc.

i don't bother to remember the treasure chest spawns, so it's impossible to tell how centered i am on the icons. for pcs, its mostly just when i'm trying to see "is random #3 underneath me or random #2"

[onyx trench]

god I'm reminded of how much I hate revenants

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B85HOQMKsYo

[median rock]

goddamn, everdark gladius hits like a truck. they really saw the response to the other everdarks being too easy and decided "fuck it, give these next ones a ton of HP and a ton of damage"

[plush cliff]

Oh, huh
https://www.bandainamcoent.com/news/elden-ring-patch-notes-version-1-16-1

Oh. Huh.

[outer flint]

😌

[frozen olive]

Nice

[median rock]

i wonder wtf this means?

was there a glitch to ignore ash of war eligibility or smth?

[onyx trench]

oh hey this works nicely for drip

[frozen olive]

nice

[outer flint]

oooh i love this

what's the right hand sword?

[onyx trench]

Rogier's Rapier

[outer flint]

ty!

[onyx trench]

its essentially a rapier with a unique heavy attack, which is two fast jabs

[trim owl]

which helmet is that?

[frozen olive]

Kaiden

[obtuse halo]

yeah rogier's is fun

I really like frozen needle too

[kind garden]

Everdark Maris found gunned down in a ditch in Limveld

[median rock]

good. please leave it there

[kind garden]

my group just used the Noklateo weapon duplicator to make 3 Grafted Blade Greatswords

got extremely swole

and gunned her down

[onyx trench]

god I love it when people put stuff like this together

[onyx trench]

the downside of actually getting reasonably into a replay of ER is returning to areas you normally just wouldn't

and then hitting ants

[median rock]

my life was better when i realized ants are one of the worst enemies at pathfinding to you

simply continue running and they will not chase you

[onyx trench]

haha, I'm doing the deeproots and some of the side passages require wholesale ant slaughter

[median rock]

simply sprint past them :)

(note: offer not valid for people with smaller stamina bars, sorry)

[onyx trench]

lmao I tried to torrent past a big room of them and immediately got sniped from 4 directions

[median rock]

LOL

[onyx trench]

get past the ants, run into 13 basilisks

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXdt1szGM-E Korone has been playing ER and she's going through it with the ants.

[median rock]

my brain is now coded to assume anybody holding a plain greatsword should be pressing Y + L2 to grapple every ~10 seconds

[onyx trench]

I've been robbed

better angle

[trim owl]

rip

[onyx trench]

this is also a terrible zone to be on bleed

[onyx trench]

ahhhhhhhh doing the great jar duels is an exercise in absolute misery

[trim owl]

I believe in you!

[onyx trench]

actually literally just did it

haha Impaling Thrust go brrrrrrr

[trim owl]

🎉

[onyx trench]

okay but why does this actually work in a goofy way lmao

[onyx trench]

we did it, chat

medium rolling in full crucible gear and no arsenal charm

[outer flint]

:O

finally got the Euporia 😌

tried to use it on the penultimate DLC fight and got smoked

turns out using a weapon you're not familiar with, and it being in a class that does low flinch is not great for that fight

[median rock]

just got my first day 1 grafted blade greatsword run - holy shit, that thing is ridiculous. if you do nokstella day 1 with 3 people, it's basically just a 1/10 chance to instantly win the run

ended the run with a HP bar almost touching my rune count, dealing ~1k damage on a single marika's hammer hit

everdark gladius died before phase 2 (well, during the second dash of the phase 2 transition dash to be fair)

[kind garden]

yeah grafted blade is a monstrosity

[outer flint]

beat the dlc final boss with a parry build this time around 😌

very satisfying

there were many more parriable attacks than I thought

didn't get my gold fowl foot off in time though 😔

[kind garden]

pcr do be parriable

[median rock]

its always fun when "sword effect with crazy wild aftereffects" is parryable to just let you ignore the fancy vfx parts

it really makes you feel like the parry was worth it

[outer flint]

my thoughts exactly

[onyx trench]

Oh boi about to try a Mohg, probably underleveled

Okay nevermind this shouldn't take long

Forgot to drink the anti-nihil flask but his health is flying down

okay his health stops flying down once he starts doing more flying than staying on the ground 😒

nearly forgot to pop the fowlfoot at the end

10.5 levels worth of runes

[outer flint]

😌

[onyx trench]

I would like to call shenanigans on the Black Knight drop table

had 6 3% rate items, 3 8% rate items

[onyx trench]

hit the point in the game where last time I ran thrusting swords I felt compelled to swap

and I'm remembering why - fighting omens sucks

[onyx trench]

one kill, nice hits

[frozen olive]

noice

[onyx trench]

farming stone [6] is pain

[trim owl]

it's easier to just get the bell bearing and buy it

respect if you don't want to look it up tho

[onyx trench]

I've played ER before haha

I just didn't want to go through Leyndell

I did already have two +18 weapons, but I didn't really appreciate how stark the scaling difference was between an Estoc and Cleanrot Knight Sword

CKS is much more strength weighted than I realised, so switching to Estoc got me more than 10% more AR

[trim owl]

I do wish it was easier to get duplicate weapons, especially for things that aren't really that special

[onyx trench]

I wish omens had less poise

[onyx trench]

I do not have size envy, not at all

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX5AA81W-78

[atomic plinth]

I swear to god this thing has the EXACT roar of Elden Ring's dragons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBSYVpiMkQo

Tell me I'm not going crazy

[onyx trench]

Gonna be real, not hearing it

[frail sky]

It sounds like a shortened version of greyoll's roar yeah

For reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingPVP/comments/10cmw88/greyolls_roar_is_a_disgusting_wakeup/

[onyx trench]

oh, I can hear it a bit better not on my phone

it's very quiet

[limpid peak]

is the Elden Ring Reforged mod any good? I mostly enjoyed Convergence before I uninstalled over unnecessary parkour sections

[onyx trench]

I didn't get along with it when I tried a couple weeks back

it's a little... unnecessarily punishing, imo

things like the lantern requires you to keep crafting oil to top it up with; you can't use Torrent in poison swamp areas; lots of shortcuts etc are blocked

[limpid peak]

that's a shame, but I had heard it was difficult so not too surprising

oh damn

that's more punishing than I expected, kinda tedious

[onyx trench]

I mean difficulty I don't mind, it's the way it kinda goes "you will interact with these systems"

[limpid peak]

I wish Convergence didn't fuck up perfectly good level design or I'd play that

back to Lies of P until Tarnished Edition comes out, or until I buy Sekiro

[frozen olive]

Lies of P my beloved

Sekiro is also pretty good

[limpid peak]

it's so peak

[frozen olive]

Sekiro is worth playing

Not my fav but it's got some truly incredible stuff in it

Worth dealing with the more annoying bits for sure to experience the peaks

[frozen olive]

By far the most polished combat

[atomic plinth]

Inaccurate, those lobsters use DMRs, not shotguns

[kind garden]

slug rounds

[ember sky]

More like a wave motion water jet cutter.

[real shadow]

https://bsky.app/profile/blacksalander.bsky.social/post/3lygpg27xk22l

🌛Caio Santos Art🌜 (@blacksalander.bsky.social)

Rellana

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Bluesky · Sep 9, 2025, 9:54 PM

[dusky harbor]

God I wish I was her

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-qY-Lb37eE

[onyx trench]

gonna try an Executioner's GA Guard Counter build??

endurance stacking taking on a whole new meaning from Path of Exile

[onyx trench]

when you're suddenly able to 1h a weapon

[onyx trench]

guard counters kind of actually fuck

[languid tiger]

another is enlightened

[onyx trench]

just gotta grab myself the Manor Towershield now and I'll be set for a hot minute

okay I let myself get a little more slapped than I should have done, but holy shit Margit got absolutely fucked first time

[onyx trench]

ooor, do I farm a Golden or Eclipse GS now? 🤔

lmao ofc I get a natural Crescent Moon drop while exploring Stormveil

[median rock]

nah you gotta rush dlc for the deflecting hardtear

bonus guard counter damage and 10x more swag

[onyx trench]

there is a big ol' jump between Stormveil and Mohg lmao

[median rock]

surely you can rush dectus halves and varre quest!

i believe in your ability to lvl20 mohg kill :)

[onyx trench]

lmao I've done a lvl 50 before

but I think that was like, +10 eleanora's bleed abuse

[onyx trench]

Man it's actually kinda wild how smooth "fuck off great big shield" feels

Like I'm at 17 whole Vig and I took a 350AR slow weapon and absolutely obliterated the Sellia Cave Fallingstar Beast

[obtuse halo]

I’ve had worse gigs

[onyx trench]

I see no issues with my stat distribution

[languid tiger]

too much vigor

[real shadow]

Arcane could be lower tbh

[languid tiger]

alas, it could not

[real shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[atomic plinth]

Oh shit, oh god, OH FUCK, IT'S RICK

I barely escaped with my life

[onyx trench]

God's strongest soldier: Rick

[thin stratus]

they should add a rick to nightreign as a surprise second night boss, powered up enough to be actually nasty, as a double bluff. add him without telling anyone. everyone thinks oh haha joke fight. then he starts moving like Dante Devil Might Cright

[languid tiger]

give the soldier of godrick gael's moveset minus the soul explosions

and then make it like 30% faster to comp for elden ring

[thin stratus]

hell yeah

second stage rick reveals his true form

[languid tiger]

gliding around like he's in fucking ultrakill

[thin stratus]

grabs a load of corpse arms from the arena and turns himself into zweihander general greivous

[real shadow]

Nah, 3rd night boss that replaced the night lord and is as cracked as pre-nerf Radahn.

[thin stratus]

honestly i think that might be TOO much

[real shadow]

Give him a less than 1% chance of spawning just to fuck with the player base.

[thin stratus]

but could have worked as like

a final phase of the night lord

all their warped body phase away like smoke, revealing a normal man who just goes hyper insane on your ass

your size and everything

call em just

Soldier Of God

[atomic plinth]

They 1000% should

It would be so fucking funny

[thin stratus]

despite there not being "a god" in the setting

[atomic plinth]

You go in and you see a single Soldier of Godrick charging at you and you think "...that's it?"

Kill him in one blow, and a big ol "Forgive Me Zanzibart" cutscene plays where he powers up and then he starts getting up to DMC bullshit

[plush cliff]

Halfway through the Heolster fight Rick just plunges down from the sky and impales him before stealing his health bar and kicking your ass

Slimnoid ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Nah, 3rd night boss that replaced the night lord and is as cracked as pre-nerf Radahn.

[thin stratus]

see going all the way up to "1% chance that he spawns and kills the nightlord you are fighting and becomes the new second stage of that fight" is juiced enough to get me back on stage for him as a third night boss

[languid tiger]

i want ultra instinct PCR as a nightlord

like bugbros but way more fucked

[proven cloak]

make them two glaives and I'm in

"Nightfarers, you've made a Glaive Mistake."
Orchestral chanting starts

[atomic plinth]

HOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIT

GLAIVEMASTER HODIR HIMSELF

[median rock]

just had a 13 minute depth 3 normal libra fight in deep of night. holy shit. 47 minute run total, since we didn't really struggle on the other 2 night bosses, but that libra fight was insane. it's fascinating how much more difficult some of the 'easier' bosses get when they have enough HP that you can't simply burst them down

[kind garden]

Does increasing depth increase the amount of boss HP

[median rock]

just checked my steam vod - 22 downs in that fight total

(it ended with me ironeye ulting libra for the last of his bit of HP in an anime moment, the other 2 were both down, so only 20 rezzes total)

[median rock]

yeah by like a massive amount

i think it's somewhere around 40%?

[kind garden]

Wow okay holy fuck

[median rock]

*40% at depth 3

whoops, 57% hp - 40% for depth 2

depth 4 is apparently where it gets bad but i'm not there yet - i've got maybe a 66% winrate or so from the start, since i've lost 1 match in depth 3 and like 2-3 in depth 2

the most fucked part honestly isn't the nightlords, because for most of them people know the movesets by now? (I have not seen caligo once, I am dreading the day I do, especially everdark). it's when you do something stupid like open a baby jail. then you get the unmatched power of a swarm of red BOFAs or misbegotten and die instantly

(and if you see a red castle BBH, you're just not doing the castle basement that run)

[kind garden]

tbh

I usually skip castle basement if BBH is in there anyways

he's a pain and my group likes to do early castle basement

last time I was doing Deep of Night we fought Gnoster 4 times in a row

[median rock]

yeah if he's there on night 1 i'm not going to do him, probably. normally i'll do basement at like lvl 4-5 outside deep of night but BBH just takes too long to be worth it, you're better off coming back

so far i've fought fulghor, libra, gaping jaw a couple times. tricephalos and gnoster are like 1-2 each, and i've done heolster twice. haven't found caligo at all yet

i have fought augur once and it was a depth 3 surprise everdark augur. we did not make it

(holy shit is that fight miserable. i hate it so much. my entire high effort build is useless even though i tried to bring backup items to use in case of everdark augur)

[kind garden]

everdark augur with +40% HP sounds rancid

[median rock]

actually i thought about it again and the most fucked up part is getting troll castle. you can tell the difference between crucible knight > banished knights > trolls normally, but holy shit is it more obvious when some of them are red

and just in general when you get a lot less runes, troll castle is a lot more punishing. they around as long to kill vs crucible knights, maybe a bit shorter, but for less than half of the runes. i'm consistently ending runs between lvl13-15, instead of being 15 with 100-200k runes left over, having 100k less runes from castle early snowballs hard

[median rock]

why does fromsoft include unicode characters that don't render in the main menu when they're the ones that wrote the main menu? they do this every time

[atomic plinth]

I have obtained a +15 weapon before fighting Renalla

This feels

Somewhat a bit illegal

[median rock]

went on a nice streak in depth 3 trying to push into depth 4

what if surprise everdark libra (it doesn't tell you it's ED until you enter the arena itself, it shows as normal libra until then)

i didn't even check, but when he bubbled at like 80% hp and the little floating rings didn't appear? and the aoe was much bigger than normal? my heart sank :(

[median rock]

finally got into depth 4 :) and then immediately choked everdark caligo with 10% left and got ratioed back to d3. red ghiza wheel is crazy fun, and mine rolled with sleep on hit on the caligo seed that's got like every possible godskin spawn, so i got to play elden ring in nightreign too (edit: I'm back to depth 4, lmk if anybody wants to queue)

[real shadow]

https://bsky.app/profile/tuxedocatfish.bsky.social/post/3m2zqr5wggs2e
https://bsky.app/profile/tuxedocatfish.bsky.social/post/3m2zwizz56c2u

Tuxedo Catfish (@tuxedocatfish.bsky.social)

increasingly convinced that Astel is the failed "attempt to forge a lord" by the Nox and the Eternal cities. Nokstella has the signature petrified bodies, and Lusat's Glintstone Crown is an Astel / Fallingstar Beast eye, so we know that transformation is within the realm of possibility.

Bluesky · Oct 12, 2025, 10:29 PM

Tuxedo Catfish (@tuxedocatfish.bsky.social)

-# ↩ Tuxedo Catfish (@tuxedocatfish.bsky.social)
also explains some shit, like the Scorpion's Stinger ("A ceremonial tool used by heretics, crafted from the relic of a sealed outer god.") having the Carian wolf on its pommel

Bluesky · Oct 13, 2025, 12:12 AM

[median rock]

huh, I never realized how similar the lusat crown was to an astel/fully grown fallingstar beast eye

re their tweet about astel's room not being there - i think it's not quite in the lake of rot/waterfall in question, but i'ts still relatively close given that astel's room directly opens up to uh. a large elevator leading straight to a magical but otherwise normal place

[proven cloak]

the only major snag is Astel's remembrance describing its birthplace as a 'void far away' or something. But it goes hard enough tbh I still like it.

Very fitting to the themes of hubris that mark every other society in the Lands Between lol

Plus it gives a reason for why it might've potentially been a bastard child, or born malformed (besides just 'it was born that way'). Its not entirely clear what being a bastard of 'The Void' / 'Greater Will' even means, really.

could just as easily been called forth by the Nox with some ritual, they are pretty closely linked with teleportation magic

[plush cliff]

Aren't there multiple Astels though?

[proven cloak]

🤷‍♂️

literally yes, but its usually or almost always refered to in the singular in the text

or at least the one with the Cool Remembrance is

which is the one that did the stuff in the Nox backstory and yoinked their stars I guess

(imo Astel feels like it underwent rewrites because the Nox have quite a lot of changes in 1.00's version of the text & Astel has a lot of unused spawn-data all over the map. Could've been that its current usage as a big boss at the end of Ranni's quest, tied to the Nox, was a bit more last minute than its design as a 'older' version of the Fallingstar Beasts.)

tbf its a sick design

If I had it but decided not to slap it a bunch of places I was planning I would 100% still try to find a hype place for it

[proven cloak]

the one that sticks out, and actually still sort of exists in the voice acting, is 'the' Eternal City - singular

[proven cloak]

though something that supports the 'born that way' read might be the 1.00 text that explicitly calls it a 'Misbegotten'

'Naturalborn' & 'Misbegotten' & 'Bastard' all mean pretty much the same thing, but this kinda doubles down on a more explicit connection

I like to think the part that makes it malformed is the human bits. Feels nice and cosmic horror-y.

You've got giant fingerspiders and cosmic slugs and bulls made out of rock & all of them agree that you are the freaky one.

[real shadow]

https://www.tpmblr.com/raptorrobot/797327815684096000

[hybrid perch]

friend and I are doing seamless play through and I'm not sure what build to go for, rn I'm doing strength and int planning on using death bird weapons as well as radahns weapon but I wanted to ask what interesting builds I can do later on

like ones not everyone is talking abt

[onyx trench]

How does Seamless work wrt to weapon upgrade materials?

[hybrid perch]

sorry what does wrt mean?

[onyx trench]

With regard to

[hybrid perch]

oooh

well every item exists two times

and my friend and i just got the bell bearing

[onyx trench]

Yeah, it's just a constant battle haha

[hybrid perch]

we're still at early game so it's fine

we mostly need 1 and 2

[onyx trench]

Just thinking longer term! If you only got one set of materials then going in on a regular weapon would be less advisable over a somber one, but it sounds okay

Well for strength I think every type of big weapon has things going for it; let me check for interesting int scaling sombers

[hybrid perch]

oh I am not really interested in str tbh

it's just hitting things hard

[onyx trench]

Can't find sombers that aren't in the weapon classes you're already looking at, but I do think the Nightrider Glaive is a pretty fun weapon

Gets some good ashes too, like Ice Spear

Oh wait IS is primarily Dex scaling huh

[hybrid perch]

that I didn't know

I was eying destined death stuff tbh

looks really interesting or all the death magic stuff

[onyx trench]

Death spells are unfortunately a bit shit

[trim owl]

My most recent/current run is Dex/Faith focusing on Lightning. Strength/Int sounds equally fun

[hybrid perch]

well the spells ye but all the weapons are really fun i think or so i've heard

deaths poker

the death rite bird spear

that one other greatsword etc

[frozen olive]

Deaths Poker rips

very cool and fun

[onyx trench]

Helphen's Steeple?

P good as well

[frozen olive]

Helphens is S-tier for me because it's a copy of my favourite weapon in souls games

Onyx Blade

[hybrid perch]

ye

[frozen olive]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-onyx-ds3-bonfire-gif-20972903

absolute aura

[hybrid perch]

i was abt to say

whzy is there no such thing in er

[frozen olive]

Helphens steeple

is literally Onyx Blade

it does the same thing

has the same animation

it's just hideously late in the game so by the time i got to it i couldn't really use it

cause i was too specced into what i was doing

[hybrid perch]

it's ugly though

helphens steeple i mean

[frozen olive]

it doesn't have the same style and aura as the Onyx Blade

[hybrid perch]

like it looks like a glorified christmas tree

[frozen olive]

ough

what a weapon

[onyx trench]

Phantom Slash goes on the Nightrider Glaive and is p cool

[hybrid perch]

ooh i love phantom slash

[hybrid perch]

Alright I found out what I’m doing

Faith and mostly focusing on the black blade

[vestal night]

Faith has a lot of good options

[hybrid perch]

And the black blade is super fun

Especially when dodging attacks

[onyx trench]

Faith is a super good secondary stat

[real shadow]

Yeah there's little reason not to raise faith at least a little bit because the returns on it are so good.

[onyx trench]

One could even say Faith is the god stat 😏

[frozen olive]

been reminded how utterly peak some of the Nightreign Music is

Caligo, Miasma of the Night continues to be peak

[proven cloak]

I'm still blown away by the environmental design for SotE

its colors, the dreamlike atmosphere, the Scadutree hanging crooked over the whole place. its good stuff

[old brook]

That initial shot of the Scadutree goes absolutely wild, somehow the whole place has such different energy

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HwVPtnGOCU three PCRs at once

[onyx trench]

I like Gino but man are his vids pain to watch on mobile

So so many ad breaks

[median rock]

if you're on android, i'd recommend spending ~20-30m figuring out how to install youtube revanced. genuinely some of the best spent time in my life, having no ads on mobile youtube is insane

[real shadow]

That or figure out how to install ublock/adguard.

[onyx trench]

Just seen that the Tarnished Edition / Switch 2 release has been delayed until 2026

[languid mantle]

https://youtu.be/d7GO1FjenwI?si=IIYTA6PbT6ndwBis

[median rock]

super hyped to see what the new nightfarers bring. i hope it coincides with some buffs to the weaker nightfarers, or at least rev

[kind garden]

OH YO

[median rock]

i also wonder how this will affect the seed meta rn, specifically w/ your ability to look up any seed for its bosses from the start of game map

it's not clear from the trailer exactly how the map changes will work? but i'm hoping it's something closer to true randomized setups, more than 25 seeds per boss

[plush cliff]

Seed meta?

[median rock]

most of the depth 4/5 players atp know some of the specific "good" seeds by sight, and otherwise many ppl (including myself) will use a seedfinder/overlay to figure out what spawns are where

because there's only a total of 40 seeds per boss (20 normal, then 5 per shifting earth), by lining up churches alone you can pretty much identify which seed you're in 95% of the time if you know the boss. https://thefifthmatt.github.io/nightreign/ if you want to see the seeds/more info on how they work

on my grind for solo queue trios depth 5 i got really good at the seeds for the hard bosses (libra, gladius, caligo) as a result. knowing which evergaols are safe to open immediately on day1 is a huge difference, for example - if that thing next to me is beastly brigade i'm running, but noble is very doable

dunno. depth 4/5 is also basically hacked relics in 90% of games, though i only saw 2 people actually hacking (i think). its a wild wasteland out there

i got in a lobby once where somebody had very obviously hacked relics (recluse running like 3x identical "improved crystalian, magic +4, faster ult" relics or w/e), and then somebody else had only 5 relics equipped, so idk

[plush cliff]

ah

[real shadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349689386662756354/1438286538965389422/ss_c50516d173a513f0fd7c567c4360c9552f4eaef6.1920x1080.jpg?ex=69165438&is=691502b8&hm=23d9002ac7d398beb7e088a2374a30e18f8f42dd15dad58ada17b679fe0e7f20&

okay battle nun is an arrow straight to my heart

[obtuse halo]

lol

yeah i've been seeing a lot of that floating around

they already got me with Duchess though. I am so gay for Duchess omg

[real shadow]

Battle nun/warrior-priest archetypes are one of my favorites and if this is really str/fth like people are saying then I might actually boot it up again.

[median rock]

i don't think it will be str/faith without adjustments to how nightreign handles scaling & damage

considering scaling is mostly handled on a per-weapon-class basis, so for every melee weapon you get at best D or low C int/fai scaling

[real shadow]

https://blog.playstation.com/2025/11/11/elden-ring-nightreign-the-forsaken-hollows-dlc-launches-dec-4-on-ps5-ps4/

Undertaker: An abbess who was mandated to slay the Nightlord. Boasting impressive strength and faith, she sends enemies to the afterlife with ruthless efficiency.

[median rock]

if it is str/faith it'll probably end up in a weird spot unless it's got a broken damage ability like duchess/ironeye

[median rock]

yeah, but i distrust that that actually means "uses strength weapons and faith weapons", considering that doesn't exist in-game right now

i have a feeling that means "strength weapons with abilities themed around holy stuff"

[plush cliff]

Aren't there already a couple of characters with dual scaling like that in the game

[languid tiger]

isn't duchess dex/int?

[proven cloak]

I'm curious where she'll land between Wylder & Raider in mobility versus durability

[proven cloak]

Int mostly, actually

[median rock]

duchess is dex/int, and what makes her good is her ability to replay spells w/ a good int stat

[proven cloak]

Recluse is Int/Fth outright, equal scaling

[real shadow]

There are faith spells so it's not like the weapons have to be faith scaling, it could just be having a good faith stat means someone melee-oriented can sling spells good.

[median rock]

duchess is dex/int, scaling works differently for physical stats vs mental stats, int still matters at a point where dex doesn't (so they're similarly leveled on duchess accounting for that)

[languid tiger]

i imagine they'll just do something like that for undertaker, then

[median rock]

yeah, my pt is mostly - duchess's ability to cast right now is entirely propped up by her replay ability considering her lack of FP, unless you build her to have a ton of FP boosts

[proven cloak]

Str/Faith has some of the best weapons in ER for split stats too, tbh

if she has the thing all the others do where drops keyed to her stats appear more often, she shouldn't have trouble finding something that scales alright with both

[median rock]

none of those made the transition into nightreign unchanged, unfortunately

[proven cloak]

oh? dang

[median rock]

scaling is done on a weapon class basis now to make it more intuitive to people who don't have the ER stat sheets memorized

[proven cloak]

they might bring in dlc weapons with the enemies? esp if shes a big part of that dlc

[median rock]

for example, iirc blasphemous blade went from C/C/C str/dex/faith to B/B/D or something

[languid tiger]

black knight hammer...

[median rock]

there's some weird exceptions (glintstone kris is like A/D dex/int, but the AoW is still 100% int, so it's like a pocket comet) but they are sadly exceptions

[languid tiger]

[median rock]

i'm hoping this DLC comes with a patch that makes playing on depth 1/2 more interesting (like by resetting back to depth2 when you hit depth 3) via map spawns etc., bc i'd really like to be able to test the really scuffed stat relics more lmao

caster guardian will never die

ok, just loaded it up to confirm that i'm not spouting bs - example of what happens to split weapons in nightreign vs ER 😔

(not included in screenshot - base damage ratio for split weapons is all over the place, some are unchanged (blade of calling is 70/30 in ER, 70/30 in nightreign) but others are gutted. moonveil went from 40 phys/60 mag with equal scaling to 60 phys/40 mag with only phys scaling)

[languid tiger]

i respect it, moonveil was a nightmare

someone on the nightreign team had bad times playing against moonveil in pvp

[median rock]

then why is rivers unchanged 🤔

[languid tiger]

they were a rivers player

[light bridge]

Rivers was nerfed early on and it settled on being good but not absurdly so

It's not even the strongest blood cult weapon anymore

[median rock]

rivers got a token nerf and it's still basically as good as it was on release outside of PVP

they nerfed the AoW so it was like 75% as effective at range but still 95% as effective if you're up close, they just moved most of the bleed to the actual weapon hit part not the beam

the real nerfed blood weapon was the bloodfiend chicken wing :(

[light bridge]

I think balance is only relevant in PvP so

Moving the bleed to the sword is a big deal because it's incredibly easy to parry now

Someone uses the art on you and it's a free parry

Specially the second attack

[median rock]

hundreds of hours in and i've finally found my holy grail

a single relic with starting lightning damage (i have not found a lightning slash relic either)

i suppose asking for a single other good affix would have been too much

[plush cliff]

https://bsky.app/profile/nrcgray.bsky.social/post/3m5rtpkbaac2a

(@nrcgray.bsky.social)

I finally finished painting this armored Revenant fanart:

#Eldenring #nightreign

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Bluesky · Nov 16, 2025, 11:16 PM

[stoic sleet]

experimenting with some new drip

[trim owl]

fellow great helm enjoyer

[stoic sleet]

it's a nifty helm

the Horned Warrior Armor is the new piece, i saw it in a Chase vid and went out to farm my own

thankfully quite easy in Belurat, there's a grace with a horned warrior in the next room over and it took something like 5-10 min with the mimic mask

[hybrid perch]

Guys I had a dream about ironeye is that a sign to get nightreign?

[obtuse halo]

it means you should attempt bow-only elden ring. suffer with me

(not really)

[onyx trench]

👀 https://youtu.be/0juhwQFr0fU

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8qzE__2TTc

[arctic geyser]

she's kawaii

[obtuse halo]

interesting to see some kind of move that either gives an insane amount of i-frames or all of the poise ever

one of those things

[proven cloak]

interesting to see some kind of

uh

Spine.... blossom?

eugh

dooooooon't like looking at those vertebrae ouchie ouch

[real shadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349689386662756354/1445215846883397732/image.png?ex=692f89a4&is=692e3824&hm=7b34b7bb42f56ae2f0541e0d6b924b892788a0fd37f128675f9a7e1201b53fa6&

[proven cloak]

B in HP and Quickstep? wew

[real shadow]

WE BLOODBORNE NOW LADS N' LADIES AND NON-BINARIES

[kind garden]

holy shit she's fucking swole

Confluence is a crazy passive to have on top of Trance doing All That

[proven cloak]

Ms. Statcheck

[kind garden]

mandatory vigor inspection time

[proven cloak]

with the C in FP shes probably going to play well with the faith buffs too

just stack boons like crazy and go to town

[real shadow]

Check out that 4th relic, she gets strength boosts when under faith buffs.

[kind garden]

her buffs get buffs?!

[real shadow]

Sure seems it!

Apparently scholar is:
Bigger carrying capacity, using items levels up the category,
1st levelup = bigger effect (pots went from 138 - 238)
2nd levelup is bonus effect

art is buff/debuff
Buff= Alies have better stamina, if fully charged shiled that explodes when hit
Denuff = reduce enemy attack, if fully charged they take bonus damage on next hit

Ult = SPirit link
ENemies propogate damage
Allies propogate healing

[vestal night]

huh

[kind garden]

Scholar is a support class huh

[vestal night]

item focused is funky

[languid tiger]

yeah this chick's design goes crazy

undertaker looks so hype

[real shadow]

Str/Fth baddie with hunter's bone got me wanting back in the game

[obtuse halo]

yeah that rules, I really wanna try her out

when I eventually get nightreign anyway

money's been tight

[glossy delta]

Or foes.......................
Fascinating
Maybe some of the various Nightlords' big attacks?

[proven cloak]

ooo

the Scholar is ||an albinauric||! ||Confirmed both in his journal's questlog, and he actually bleeds silver when bleed procs on him (or so I hear)||.

||I was too busy trying to Not Get Obliterated by the Boss to confirm that last part lmao||

Meanwhile the Undertaker ||seems to be an Elden Ring Vampire, but I havent done enough of her quest to really get what that means yet||.

[chilly forum]

That’s INSANE very creative

[feral linden]

by @nrcgray on the bird site
im pretty sure this was posted here before, maybe

@frail sky

[plush cliff]

🥺

[feral linden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBJ-ahJghZU

[median rock]

finished undertaker's rememberance earlier today (played her for like ~15 games total, like ~5 of them just running the new shifting earth/map + new normal boss, then i started the rememberance quest stuff)

she's pretty good, though i don't think she's nearly as good as recluse, duchess, or ironeye. certainly feels MUCH better than rev, guardian in most teamcomps at least

i think she's basically a replacement for your wylder/raider, since she's just kinda generically good at a lot of the weapons you have on offer. the incant->phys buff is pretty nice (and i think her rememberance relics are both pretty solid, actually, so that's pretty sick)

i think her main weakness is really the lack of high direct damage potential - the most cracked i felt was running wrath of gold into non-ED tricephalos, dealing ~10% of their health bar with a single charged cast, but that involved like 5 other weapons with +8-15% incant damage up (and also is just hard to land). also tried her with marika's hammer, golden order greatsword, and starscourge - starscourge obliterated the rest of those builds by a mile (though its arguably one of the best legendaries ig)

she definitely feels like a fun replacement for wylder. i think i'm not super enthused by her hunter's bone passive - it's OK, but its not a very long duration & i found myself mostly using it when the boss jumps to the other side of the arena. not burning stamina on the run over (though starting surge sprint still costs stam) made chasing stuff like ||DBDL|| (new day 2(?) boss, obviously from a prior game but seems to be exclusive to the new DLC content, so spoilered) down noticeably easier

i also think i need to try using her hunters bone ult effect more - i've mostly just used the ult part for a guaranteed hitstagger (ala ironeye mark pop), since its 10x les brainpower to use. hard to find a good opportunity when its such a short time & your weapons tend to be rather slow, maybe when allies are riposting, idk

curious to see if anybody else here has had any interesting experiences or other comments after playing her for a bit

oh yeah, as far as incants go - her ass does NOT have the fp to be a full caster. she is pretty firmly relegated to "buffs + the occasional charged lightning spear/etc" for that. i haven't seen her deep of night stat relics (if they exist rn? i'd think so), but a "+mind, -endurance" relic or something would likely make her a lot better there

(without actually checking datamined stats - it feels like her mind is lower than duchess, since at least on duchess a starlight shard or 2 is enough to push you through a day 1/2 night boss even fully casting. her ass gets like 4 lightning spears, then a starlight shard gives you 2 more, and that is NOT finishing the fight)

(ok i checked datamined stats - 14 for undertaker vs 27 mind on duchess - caster is likely Not Viable)

[obtuse halo]

oh yeah, 14 is not enough for that to be practical. That's buffs and weapon skills only territory

[median rock]

basically, yeah

the upside is that (according to a reddit post, I did not test this myself) basically all incant buffs trigger her "incant buff->phys dmg buff" relic effect. you don't need to use like, divine fortification or barrier of gold or whatever, poison armament will work just as well. apparently the relic tooltip is also misleading and the actual buff effect lasts for a flat 60s (i don't know if its effected by the "extended spell duration" effect or not)

i also need to actually beat the 2nd DLC expedition added - ||dreglord||. done ||balancers|| 2x now, did one run at the other guy as ironeye before i dipped for bar trivia, and holy SHIT does that motherfucker have a chunky HP pool

probably didn't help i think we had a scholar & a undertaker, so both another support class + they didn't exactly have optimized builds going, but that guy felt immortal. ||we started phase 2 with me up & them down on 3-bar rezzes, and wiped halfway through phase 2, no clue if theres a 3||

(i'll be honest - i was going to do scholar next, but i learned doing that guy unlocks the "previous game character" skins for scholar/undertaker, and i gotta get the drip)

(the ||lords blade ciaran|| skin for undertaker looks super sick, and the fucking ||xanthous stupid egghead|| skin for scholar feels like a must-wear)

[proven cloak]

Scholar is really fun to play with. Haven't had the chance to really try him out myself yet, but those are some nice abilities to have on your team.

super impactful Ult, I think it might be one of the best.

[median rock]

yeah, though i kept getting confused by the healing thing at first - i forgot it did that so i was wondering why it seemed like my attacks were healing me like recluse ult lol

(no, it was a guy in the corner flasking)

[pseudo cedar]

I haven't played many games with Scholar or Undertaker but they're both quite fun. Last night on Undertaker I got a warpick that had both bleed and frostbite and let me tell you, that thing melted everything. I also had a couple of boosts for dual wielding, even though I just swung the warpick one-handed

[median rock]

ok, my opinion on undertaker has gone up after having a team that was properly cycling ults to give undertaker free ults. her free ult is pretty sick to keep staggers open esp on recluse ults

[dusty kraken]

Yeah but she keeps indicating she'll retire and them coming back for some really wretched matches.

Wait, wrong undertaker

[frozen olive]

decided to hop into ER on my SOTE boss run character that i started

and man

my skills in this game are gone 😭

also blood tax is not a good ash of war to use against Rellana

Bloody slash kinda doing work

[stoic sleet]

the ER boss rust is real

i keep jumping into co-op every so often and i keep getting embarrassingly rolled up

it's not just bosses in general either, each specific boss is an experience in "oh right, that fucker does that"

[old brook]

Even non-bosses, the Exile Knights always humble new runs

[frozen olive]

i'm sure with Rellana sending me back to the grace on repeat the rest of the run will be fine

[jaunty solar]

I just got to the day one boss of Nightreign's DLC

Sadistic

They call it xbox 360 because I see this boss and it turns my head 360 degrees around

Off my body

[languid tiger]

undertaker ult feels fucking velvet smooth

this shit goes crazy

scholar feels more awkward though, lots of downtime and staring

like I'm playing dragon's dogma lol

[frozen olive]

Kinda wanna get the dlc but i also can't justify it with how much i've played Nightreign

[languid tiger]

it's quite good

[frozen olive]

I've heard so

I was surprised at the price being so low

[jaunty solar]

I fucking CAUGHT the devs okay

The dead nightfarer buff for Scholar

Scholar's grief

Upgrades Arcane and INT

He was TOTALLY going to be an INT character

[old brook]

Wait he's not? The Scholar?

Arcane counts I s'pose

[jaunty solar]

He has a C in Int

It's his lowest stat outside of strength

[proven cloak]

its technically his third highest in actual numbers, I think. But its still real low lmao.

lower than Rev

meanwhile his Arcane is nearly double Executor's

his ass did not work out at the library

[median rock]

i don't think they ever really intended him as an int character - that niche is pretty well filled, i believe. you could probably argue that there's room for str/int i personally don't think so

i think its mostly that int/sorceries fit his support playstyle more than anything else (as an alternate option to full status build)

28 int isn't awful, either. it's not good and you won't be dealing amazing damage, but its not horrendous, and its roughly comparable to running wylder as a mixed +int/faith setup

[median rock]

ok, finally got around to running the second new boss again, on a 2nd run he definitely doesn't have as much HP as i thought he did at first, but it's gotta be substantially more than every other boss in this game by a large margin. a normal run kill took around as long as a depth 5 ed caligo kill, though some of it was probably skill issue

definitely a cool fight. really not sure how you're supposed to dodge some of those arena-wide AOEs? ||can't tell if you hide behind the pillars, time rolls/ults/iframes, or what||

huh. i cannot believe i did not check it yet, but damn thats a lotta new relics in the ED sigil shop. they gave us all the stat modification deep relic effects on normal relics. sick af

seems like scholar & undertaker don't get a "new skill-related relic" like the default classes do (the defaults each have 3 in there now, vs. the new classes only getting 2)

[proven cloak]

honestly impressive how amazing these bosses are with the reused animations

especially the Dreglord

[jaunty solar]

The first new nightlord is kinda terrible

Constantly getting winged by attacks I couldn't perceive

Demon twins is translated pretty well though

[median rock]

||balancers|| is a lot easier when your team doesn't have a weak link, honestly. im sure its miserable in solos as well but i quite enjoy it in a decent trios squad

heavy weapons microstaggering does a ton, and the boss is very vulnerable to their weakness - ||if you find sleep, then sleep em and just leave them there, don't bring in periodic glintblades or anything, you can sleep em all and 1v1 the rest. i consider sleep on them to be around as required as lightning for fulghor - not hard required, but a huge difference maker||

[median rock]

what's dreglord reused from? i think ive noticed one attack from orphan, but i didn't recognize any of the other moves

(genuinely curious, im sure there's like 1-2 more attacks that're very similar to existing ones - i know a lot of ppl have said gael, but i don't think the actual dodge timings on the combo is the same as gaels, just the style/flair)

[proven cloak]

some of it's combos are almost 100% taken from Gael, imo

the timings might be off, but the movement seems like its the same rig, especially when it does the momentum-spins

[median rock]

yeah i think some of the wind up for sure is, but the combo itself is different. just the same style of animation

[proven cloak]

maybe

I might have be prepped to find similarities after Balancers, who I think did have the Malenia projectile sidestep as one of their normal moves

[median rock]

yeah they have her sidestep and i think also her dash animation?

the dash and grab, actually (different attacks, ik the grab dashes at you but i mean the other dash). theyre not the same attack but i think the way the sword moves is the same?

[proven cloak]

something about their circle-casting animation seemed familar too, but I'm not sure from where

[median rock]

i tried to scholar firebomb them, and while its highly effective, you gotta freeaim or they spam the malenia dodge :(

[proven cloak]

I was wondering if their ||aerial spear stab was similar to Messmer's, I never got a great look at his actual model past the particles||

[median rock]

i think actually my least favorite new boss is demon morons

they're tanky af and the solution is just to stand behind them, since theyre so unreactive

even the solo 2nd fight

[proven cloak]

probably agreed

not a super dynamic fight

[median rock]

DBDL is as fun as the DLC (i liked him /shrug), the death knight gank squad is hilarious and i love it

[proven cloak]

I love ||what they did to Mohg with the spear gimmick||

[median rock]

yeah it's great

not 100% how it works tbh

[proven cloak]

||He was very hard for my group at first, but once you get the rhythm its super fun||

[median rock]

other than "attack the thing you can attack to fix this"

but its cool nonetheless

[proven cloak]

I think its basically the big spellcast hits everywhere, but clearing the totems gives you a clearing where it wont

[median rock]

ahh

thatd make sense

[proven cloak]

We found that you could clear 2 and keep tight footwork and you'd be safe

you might be able to do it with 1 but we didn't really push our luck lol

[median rock]

I don't think ive fought him on a run without a scholar or crazy dps

aside from a single run where I didn't know what was happening and we just exploded

so I haven't had to learn yet lol

[proven cloak]

I like that the new bosses actually work well with that Ult

[median rock]

man. i reset my deep of night back to depth 2 from high depth 4, in anticipation of the dlc

[proven cloak]

both night bosses and nightlords, theres usually a few more targets

[median rock]

but i forgot how fucking bad solo trio queue is outside deep of night

no hate to new players, but its not enjoyable when i matched up with 2 small-relic andys on a random balancers run as part of me doing scholar rememberance

that is NOT the place to learn to play the game

i don't think they were having a good time getting ratioed by divine beast dipshits either

[proven cloak]

rip

yeah I've been separating my new map runs & my new character runs for most of the same reason

don't want to completely troll

[median rock]

on undertaker i did a bunch of triceph runs for that reason

[proven cloak]

gotta know at least one of those

[median rock]

and then i stopped doing that when I realized it was me teaching 2 new players what evergaols were, since triceph specifically gets more new players. i went back to old reliable peak cinema fulghor

oh yeah huge fan of "lmao, evergaols are gone"

so nice to not feel chained to the objectively best relic passive

[proven cloak]

I'm saved from the meta by being too lazy to actually organize / gamble for Scenes, and never getting the Evergaol one on larges ever

Stat Ups & some Skill Boosts are good enough for me and its not like I've made it to the depths where you need better yet

[median rock]

i ended up with a god roll stonesword + vigor + night invaders relic

[proven cloak]

the Post-DLC boss ones in the sigil shop seem really interesting

the ones that swap character stats around

[median rock]

so my builds end up calcifying into that real quick

yeah im super glad those are actually like accessible now