who Imo seem like Ruah built them
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
proven cloak
same with the rite school being secret - are their other uses for the Divine Gate unrelated to this specific rite, or is the gates use itself secret?
covert schooner
Lots of shit that we don’t and probably won’t ever know
atomic marsh
Ranni is the only worthy successor to godhood because she's the only one who suffers being lame
proven cloak
we’ll - yeah lmao
atomic marsh
And I don't mean lame as crippled I mean lame as in uncool
covert schooner
Unironically yes
She’s still human
And therefore fit to decide humanities fate
A lord for men, not gods
God still an unbelievably hard line
gray leaf
I think that becoming a god is, by its very nature, incompatible with being a good candidate for godhood.
proven cloak
The whole system of gods needs to go, they haven’t done the Order any favors
median rock
She’s still human
i mean, i don't think she is at this point realy
covert schooner
That defies the notion of godhood shown to us literally everywhere else
median rock
she's a soul devoid of a body of an empyrean who was arguably never truly human in the first place
or at least - not for a long time
covert schooner
Humanity is not flesh alone
It is of the spirit
atomic marsh
Riker that's not the point
median rock
i don't really disagree with her conclusion but i don't think she's really the most human in motivations
atomic marsh
The point is she stacks books on her chairs to look taller
gray leaf
Also... yeah, I don't think Ranni's a god.
atomic marsh
And has to try to be cool about being made into a tiny doll
gray leaf
i don't really disagree with her conclusion but i don't think she's really the m...
She feels trapped in the life she was born into, and the responsibilites inherent in her very flesh, and seeks to flee from it at whatever cost. What could be more human?
covert schooner
It’s so funny that she was seemingly going to like…. Steal the sword as a foot tall doll?????
atomic marsh
Ranni keeps getting put into goofy ah scenarios as the world's most dedicated chuuni
proven cloak
you become her lord, and she takes possession of the Elden Ring to change its functioning - godhood seems more likely than not
she still commits to the ‘dark path of the Empyrean’
proven cloak
Ranni keeps getting put into goofy ah scenarios as the world's most dedicated ch...
I think Melina might have her beat in the chuuni department tbh
covert schooner
So she was probably just gonna wait another 1000 years
For something to happen we don’t know about
proven cloak
”O Erdtree, you will burn” + “I will deliver what is yours - Destined Death.”
median rock
i think she (ranni) has her own motivations that happen to line up but i don't think any part of her motivations or background give her any real authority to be able to decide the fate of everybody. especially because she doesn't actually not want godhood, she just doesn't like the greater will influencing her and by proxy other people
proven cloak
It’s so funny that she was seemingly going to like…. Steal the sword as a foot t...
she put her points into Int, not Mind, ok?
Dont judge
median rock
like she wants a new order just not one that binds souls to it specifically
gray leaf
Is Ranni a god, then? I feel like she did 90% of the steps necessary to achieve godhood, but intentionally did not take the last steps, because she didn't want to be a god because godhood is a prison.
atomic marsh
In her ending she's a God yes
median rock
no, i think she definitely takes the last steps at the end
covert schooner
Before I go to bed
median rock
she's not until that point though
proven cloak
her godhood might not be caged, because she doesnt commit to any guidance
median rock
Is Ranni a god, then? I feel like she did 90% of the steps necessary to achieve...
i don't think ranni ever says that, actually. no part of her actually doesn't want to be a god
she just doesn't want to be slaved to the GW
covert schooner
Leveling up is literally how sexy and powerful you are into the elden ring and therefor the rules of the universe
median rock
no, she does make a system
atomic marsh
She wants the right to choose
median rock
she's pretty clear about making an order of the dark moon
proven cloak
this is where ER’s Order = politics and Order = physics kind of clash
median rock
this just involves a trip in the meantime before she comes back
covert schooner
It depends on how you interpret the combination of English and Japanese dialogue
proven cloak
she makes a metaphysical order, but makes its actual influence on the politics distant
covert schooner
But the order of the dark moon is very much “figure it out yourselves”
covert schooner
The lonliness mentioned in her ending is pretty much the loneliness of humanity finally not being guided by a god
median rock
i think the other thing is that ranni clearly believes in the separation of destiny (the stars) from humanity but like. not in an actual "destiny doesn't apply" way, just in a "let's back it up a little and not chain the souls to this cycle the same way"
median rock
she wants the Elden Ring veiled, distant - hidden
i don't think the elden ring exists anymore in her ending
proven cloak
Fates are said to be read and influenced by the stars, and shes the age of stars, so
gray leaf
this is where ER’s Order = politics and Order = physics kind of clash
I think that physics is political. I think the distinctions between physical and metaphysical don't neatly end up where they are in real life.
proven cloak
i don't think the elden ring exists anymore in her ending
She still makes an Order, and mentions that life + souls are connected with the Order
I interpret her as keeping the Elden Ring ticking, but hidden - you cant see the outline of the world with your own eyes
you have to live it
atomic marsh
The elden ring exists because what else do I put on her finger
median rock
i don't think the elden ring itself exists outside of marika
atomic marsh
Fucking duh
proven cloak
considering what happens in the other ending where the Elden Ring is destroyed
Idk if Ranni does that
languid tiger
median rock
i think she just leaves it broken
frenzyflame just subsumes everything, the ER included
proven cloak
yeah but it spreads so far and powerfully because it subsumed the ER
Same way plucking death from the ER changes how destined death works, or adding Mending runes change how life itself works
gray leaf
I would say that the Elden Ring is the fundamental nature of reality itself, and it's been described as the source code of the universe... but, no, Miquella wanted to replace it. Not remake or repair or add to it; completely replace it. Which by definition means it isn't irreplacable.
proven cloak
like - what would removing the Elden Ring even mean, if its what defines the metaphysical functioning of life in the lands between?
I could see her making it more meta, less physical - but thats, what, locking its current rules in place?
median rock
i dont really think it does in any way that isn't modifiable by "being god"
like, i think at the end of the day, the nature of reality is more or less up to whatever whoevers got the god stick says it is
which is part of why the ER vanishes in the frenzy ending, and why ||miquella wants to replace it||
atomic marsh
The elden ring has existed before Marika and the GW
proven cloak
I doubt the second part, but agree to the first
median rock
the golden order is the current iteration, but the fact that it's shatter-able and reality didn't collapse (and arguably, still functions rather well) implies it's certainly not the end-all
atomic marsh
It was there before the GW got to the lands between
Dragons were bing chilling way before that
proven cloak
I dont think so - it seems more likely the beast turned into the ring than absorbed it
median rock
since it's pretty clear that the shattering shattered the elden ring and it's currently nonfunctional at what it's supposed to be doing, or else things wouldn't have continued the way they did - the shards definitely still hold power (aka great runes) but like. the ring itself is clearly not in control anymore
proven cloak
Dragons are pretty heavily GW coded
gray leaf
The fact that it's possible to replace it with something entirely separate (and not in the way the Frenzied Flame is doing, which doesn't exactly care about having a feasible replacement that actually exists and holds reality together) means that it isn't inherently essential?
proven cloak
the real weird thing is Metyr seems to be older than it
median rock
||the great runes at minimum are capable of being further destroyed, which we see via miquella effectively torching his, and that power doesn't seem like it's going back to the original elden ring||
proven cloak
It was never inherently essential, there was a time when it was the Beast, and a time before the Golden Star hit the planet
but it kinda begs the question of what rules would remain
personally, I still think the Golden Comet is the most likely origin for biological life on the planet
so idk if death or life as concepts existed beforehand
gray leaf
Is it, or was it the Crucible?
Or was the Golden Comet the introduction of the concept of individual souls, and individuals, rather than inchoate seething microorganisms?
proven cloak
I think the crucible either comes from the Elden Ring - or, its golden life giving power is still directly from the (cosmic) Greater Will, which created life + sends down space rocks
so its one or the other
yeah that could be it too
gray leaf
...because if the idea of separate souls and separate individuals is tied to the golden order, that would explain why the idea of twins sharing souls would be so stigmatized.
proven cloak
Crucible -> fingers, intelligence -> beast, order (civilization)
its less clean on where Gold comes from though
Also you need to explain the Elden Stars “most ancient Erdtree” description with the Crucible spells sharing the sigil
(including the one in Rauh, discovered by hornsent)
proven cloak
...because if the idea of separate souls and separate individuals is tied to the...
they’re actually the one group that didn’t discriminate against them
gray leaf
Crucible -> fingers, intelligence -> beast, order (civilization)
you phrasing it like that immediately made me go "no, fingers were given to beasts to give them intelligence" (see the Cinquedea) and then realized that you were talking about the Two Fingers.
gray leaf
its less clean on where Gold comes from though
Yeah, especially since the DLC talks about Gold without order (which I still think is what "unalloyed gold" actually meant).
median rock
Also you need to explain the Elden Stars “most ancient Erdtree” description with...
i mean it's stated a couple places that the elden ring predates the golden order
the golden order is the elden ring, but the rune of death (destined death), which was part of the elden ring, was locked away
proven cloak
Yeah - but if the Elden Beasts arrival is the oldest spell in a category that includes aspects of the crucible
it implies the golden stars arrival, whatever its relation, predates the golden crucible
median rock
ah yeah, but not the golden order
proven cloak
Yeah
The dragons Elden Ring, plus the gold, finger-stuff with the beasts etc
pretty conclusively puts them as a civilization after the arrival of the Elden Beast, imo
the dragons being rock is interesting given the gravity lords - if the dragons are some of the oldest creatures, wouldnt be surprised if the first ones were born the same way
rock given space-life
gray leaf
I wonder if "life" means like two or three different things?
proven cloak
Yeah, especially since the DLC talks about Gold *without* order (which I *still*...
I think its just cause Gold is inherently connected to life
its kind because its vital energy
gray leaf
Where "life" in the form of the moving inorganic, like crystallians and fallingstar beasts, and arguably the ancient dragons, is separate from "life" in the sense of flesh and blood and DNA. And they might have had different origins at different times and from different sources.
proven cloak
oh yeah when I say life here I mean life in the vital sense
mhm
Ymirs interesting because of how he claims the GW is responsible for earthly life
he says “we began as stardust, born from a rupture in the skies. We too are children of the GW.”
which implies to me, the unspoken prior fact - things from space are ‘children’ of the Greater Will
given the primeval current, and its connection to turning wizards into still-living crystal…
idk
Glintstone is as amber, and different staffs and weapons swap to show their interchangability
Different flavors of life, maybe the same origin
gray leaf
So they're different on a surface level, but not on a more significant level.
proven cloak
You just have to go back far enough
Yeah
somehow, life exists on the lands between (and also in space)
gray leaf
I think it's really easy to assume that reality in the Lands Between works like it does in our world except for specific exceptions, and I also think that's frequently wrong.
proven cloak
we know
- Hyetta and Ymir attribute this to the GW directly.
- Ymir claims ‘we’ have our origins in the cosmos.
- The crucible relates to vital primal energies, and chaotically mutates creatures as a remnant of life being blended together (either life coming from the same source, or a later force that just mixes)
- The Elden Ring - and the Erdtree - are intimately connected to life in the lands between at game start.
- The crucible, elden ring, and erdtree were distinctly gold.
- There is a single identified golden star to have been sent to the Lands Between, through an ancient legendary incantation: The Elden Beast - The Elden Ring. This spell, older than the crucible ones, also has a distinct spiral pattern - and depicts a golden impact (a “torrent of life”?)
proven cloak
I think it's *really easy* to assume that reality in the Lands Between works lik...
100%
I think the whole history is actually much shorter than irl
nothing says life evolved over millions of years, or even tens of thousands
could’ve been the whole place was barren 8,000 years ago
proven cloak
we know
- Hyetta and Ymir attribute this to the GW directly.
- Ymir claims ‘we’ ...
so from this its not 100% direct, but your options are “unnamed other celestial forces brought vital energy to the lands between”, “The crucible’s power was innate but space impacts shaped it”, and “Golden star made it”
could go any way
or “the crucible isnt related to the origin of (earthborn) life, just represents a confluence of vital energy”
that works too
Went off a lil too much there mb, havent gathered this argument since dlc dropped
gray leaf
I should sleep, but I'll drop a very unimportant question before I go: do you think there are secular "Braille" (in quotes because it would obviously have a different name) writings in the Lands Between?
...I also wonder if it started out as an attempt to transcribe the literal motions of the Two Fingers, being essentially phonetic (well, not phonetic, but I don't know what to call it... kinetic?)
gray leaf
not sacred or religious
Actually, I don't know how much secular writing there would be period. (Besides glintstone sorcery and related scholarly text.)
proven cloak
varre was a surgeon
so
at least medical knowledge?
cookbooks seem popular (every goddamn other corpse seems to have one)
and if people are writing, aomeones probably made braile
gray leaf
Okay, yeah, cookbooks. I am. Yeah, right. Also Midra's Manse had a whole library.
gray leaf
and if people are writing, aomeones probably made braile
Probably, unless it's considered to be exclusively a sacred thing.
stone cove
Ugggh
netcode
why
most duels have had pretty good netcode, but i calshed iwth that guy, alkl my attacks seemed to miss, we kept clashing
and then the game went HANG ON
and he took 1.7k damage from me 😦
feels bad
mighty warren
Oh man speaking of duels actually, i got a chance to dual with a friend recently and it was hilarious to see how much our builds mirrored eachother
he dex/int, i'm sure/faith
he was using a katana i was using my beloved great hammer
he was using mostly frost, i was using fire
hell in a funny turn of events was even our weapon's upgrade method mirrored, his upgraded via sombers mine via normal stones
vivid spire
||https://youtu.be/NBa-lY4M8VA?si=7zbTVT2QLgSEUAmz|| final boss spoilers but it raises good points
real shadow
vivid spire
God well now I can’t decide
The Fia x tarnished thing is uh
My interpretation and as based as I am
It could be wrong
I could just do rannis ending again
frail sky
Twitter
frozen olive
why the fuck does flame skewer have so much movement
it's literally impossible to hit with it cause you keep fucking veering to the side
i do not need to move like 3 meters forward for an attack that goes upwards
frail sky
Probably to help chase down enemies/other players in pvp
stoic sleet
Yeah I tend to use it as a gap closer
That's why I tend to favor it over... the other one, whatever it's called
The one that shoots a fire beam
stoic sleet
I mean I don't think it's meant as an in-your-face attack. More of a lunge into range
frozen olive
makes it kind of annoying to use since this boss is very in your face
need to work on my spacing so i can actually use it
stoic sleet
It's tricky. I tend to err on the other end, overestimating how far it'll travel
But I like being able to jump in and then go to town with a flame-buffed sword
Especially with the FKGS moveset
frozen olive
(SOTE final boss spoiler)
added in a single cast of Scarlet Aeonia for some background damage
stoic sleet
I still need to get past them
I can handle phase 1 but I'm still figuring out phase 2
frozen olive
i have finally defeated probably the hardest from boss solo
no cheese, just sword and some magic
stoic sleet
It's going to be really funny to play the remainder of the base game after the DLC tbh
frozen olive
I killed god first so i could farm runes
stoic sleet
I probably should've at least gotten to Farum Azula so that I had all the upgrade bell bearings
But I wanted to hold off the endgame phase
atomic plinth
I can handle phase 1 but I'm still figuring out phase 2
Roll into his sword-swings, it'll help a lot
stoic sleet
I was picking that up a bit, yeah
I think I mostly need to learn to read when he's about to teleport to me
atomic plinth
God I wish he had less AoE spam
old brook
They didn't do any final boss fixes/adjustment in the patch, yeah?
obtuse halo
don't think so
frozen olive
don't think so
old brook
Sorry folks on a PS4, that's probably somethin
Also ||Double Slash|| is supposed to be like that, woof
stoic sleet
nihil this motherfucker
frozen olive
lord of drip no more
stoic sleet
No it's fine
frozen olive
vivid spire
I don’t know what level I am ngl
stoic sleet
This is the one Fromsoft game where your friends don't turn on you and/or die horribly
vivid spire
Oh I’m 112
frozen olive
me when everyone doesn't die horribly
vivid spire
Oh noes
frozen olive
(this is not true, they will absolutely die horribly)
truly the Fromsoft experience
nobody is safe
stoic sleet
All is suffering
vivid spire
A single gravebird tears me apart
frozen olive
DLC moment
now go fight the mausoleum guy and die five hundred times
just like everyone else
frozen olive
sounds like a plan
vivid spire
Also I’m having second thoughts should I do the Ranni ending
Are yall biased because trans doll lady lmao
frozen olive
i always do the Ranni ending
Ranni is more of a trans allegory than she is an actual trans person as i understand it
vivid spire
I’ve done it five times am I loyal enough
obtuse halo
yeah i'm not sure anyone in the game is textually trans
Ranni's whole vibe can definitely be understandably read as allegorical though
vivid spire
Wrong, I, Scrble, [BOSS NAME]
frozen olive
Ranni is certainly good allegorically but yeah i don't believe we got any textually trans people
vivid spire
Am the only canon trans character in Elden Ring
frozen olive
which you know, fair enough i guess
frozen olive
we don't meet particularly many people to begin with that aren't nameless meat for the slaughter
vivid spire
Oh my god I’m back in Ainsel River again
frozen olive
or named meat for the slaughter i suppose
obtuse halo
You could make an argument for Radagon/Marika being some kind of fluid but I'd probably chalk that more up to deific weirdness
frozen olive
could argue Miquella but again, moreso fluid
vivid spire
I promise I won’t go get married again
covert schooner
She’s trans but only because I said so
I make the allegory literal with my mind powers
glossy delta
Fia because she's less common
Be a hipster
median rock
i do fia because i think her ending is like, the only not self-motivated one
ranni at the end of the day wants to be free (reasonable). goldmask is more concerned with maintaining the system for the sake of it rather than the people who live there
but fia genuinely cares about fixing a specific problem as a kind of mercy
vivid spire
I see! I didn’t consider that ngl
frail sky
Are yall biased because trans doll lady lmao
Very, but also I just think it’s the best ending for the lands between
vivid spire
Also Ranni is nice but kinda cold at the start
median rock
fia like, isn't actually very directly affected by this problem either - like she's not a zombie. she's just really compassionate
vivid spire
Fia is just really gentle all the way
And also like uh
Reincarnation is already a thing
This fixes that
So she’ll come back eventually (:
median rock
i'm actually very neutral on fia herself as a character lol i just appreciate her goals
vivid spire
I uh
I may be a simp
Which may be a bad thing but like
I have the rune of death here
Also she like uh
Kinda melted my heart
Yeah it’s a bad thing to be self motivated by love but like
Fixing the agonies of endless life is a form of love to others
You’re easing suffering
That might be a vague stretch idk
median rock
to be clear, in the age of the duskborn, people still die and i think people can still die permanently. it's just that instead of locking away death and forcing the souls to cycle via the erdtree, they're left more or less free to go wherever souls would naturally go, which is... not really clear but debatably better? depends on if you like the erdtree or not i think
vivid spire
I’ll also note that
median rock
but specifically, it's motivated by the fact that the golden order fundamentalists (like D, corhyn, etc.) are anti-those who live in death, simply because they represent the fact that the golden order is falling apart at the seams. fia's main goal is to fix that, and part of that is to re-incarnate godwyn specifically
i just think it's neat :)
vivid spire
The lore for the Deathbirds and Helphen’s Sterple along with the Ghostflame mention how souls can travel in and out of wherever they go
And that the concept of reincarnation is also shared by the Ancestor Worshippers
Who reject the roots
So I feel like souls can just kinda go wherever
eternal endless love repeating forever or something idk im not a simp
obtuse halo
it seems like the answer might be "the sea", somehow
vivid spire
It could be interesting if Godwyn doesn’t want to be revived
vivid spire
it seems like the answer might be "the sea", somehow
Raises the question of a stormy sea or a gentle one
median rock
yeah ghostflame used to be the thing that toasted souls, instead of them cycling they were... just burnt to ash? unclear if that was still a reincarnation thing or not lol
obtuse halo
there are a few non-erdtree death traditions
median rock
but the ||dlc gravebird armor|| implies that the spirits still lingered in some way after death, but that may have been after ghostflame was sealed
yeah but im curious if ghostflame specifically did reincarnation or a true death
obtuse halo
the ancestral followers also believe in a cycle of death bearing new "sproutlings"
Death Ritual Spear suggests the former, at least for some people
The priests became guardians of the birds through the rite of Death, which also serves as an oath sworn to their distant resurrection.```Side note, which I don't know when to toss out, but felt should be said sometime: St. Trina and the Jar Saints are not referred to with the same wording in Japanese. The latter is talking more about metaphorical saints, as in just very good people morally speaking.
obtuse halo
yeah, as opposed to St. Trina which is more like "Holy Woman"
||though iirc Romina uses language similar to Saint Trina||
vivid spire
Bloodboon or Trident
median rock
Death Ritual Spear suggests the former, at least for some people
```Ritual spear...
yeah im just not clear if that was like. the birds or the people honestly
gray leaf
||though iirc Romina uses language similar to Saint Trina||
I think so, yeah.
obtuse halo
I read it as the priests in this case
vivid spire
Is trident like as broken as it was before all the patch notes
proven cloak
it seems like the answer might be "the sea", somehow
I wonder how this ties into the space = ocean themes we have with EB and Metyr
I know some people who think souls and stars are really intimately related, and thats why the latter influences fate + you can use starlight shards to gain FP or make puppets
or whatever's going on with Sellen and her primal glintstone
covert schooner
Is trident like as broken as it was before all the patch notes
Oh Mohgs spear is good
I don’t think it’s game shatteringly busted but
It’s cool
And a reminder that if you want both you can duplicate the rememberenace at a mausoleum
spark pine
obtuse halo
or whatever's going on with Sellen and her primal glintstone
I mean, that one's tied to the primal current
Honestly I'm kind of curious for anyone familiar with the japanese if any of the usage of the word "graven" in sorcery (the graven witch, the graven school, graven masses) connects at all to the words used for death
left willow
Me fr
proven cloak
Honestly I'm kind of curious for anyone familiar with the japanese if any of the...
doesnt seem like it
proven cloak
looks like the first part is used for sorcerers and the 塊 only appears for Graven Mass stuff
proven cloak
ooh, what source is that?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1heSIUHc-WGK40BMJTRZfCnAkagV3Bz8P-UoPu4BACDI/edit?gid=0#gid=0
pretty useful tools, though idk how accurate they are
more than I'd know
I've used them a few times to double check "ok before I make a theory is this only a connection in english?"
obtuse halo
yeah that's my big concern with reading too much into "graven", because obviously that has a bit of a deathly implication in english, but I don't know Japanese 😛
obtuse halo
hm. Though given the whole mass/cluster/lump I wonder about the Prince of Death Pustule suddenly
proven cloak
Miq and Malenia's holiday special 😌
covert schooner
Miquella big Christmas tree
grave plinth
Crimmus
obtuse halo
looks like the first part is used for sorcerers and the 塊 only appears for Grave...
Looks like Prince of Death Pustule is 死王子の瘡 so no 塊 present. Probably not related then, unless there's something I can't identify as a nonspeaker
stone cove
So, fun little lore thing from the base game
You get the recipe for bewitching branches... By talking to Gideon after you've found the map & campfire to Moghwyn dynasty
frail sky
@outer flint Congrats on beating that boss! How you liking the dlc so far? 👀
proven cloak
You get the recipe for bewitching branches... By talking to Gideon after you've ...
don't forget that the cookbook that gives you this is Saint Trina's cookbook
or, well, a cookbook written by a disciple of hers
outer flint
<@279794482738888714> Congrats on beating that boss! How you liking the dlc so f...
it's fun so far!
frail sky
😌
outer flint
what are the spoiler policies here?
frail sky
Technically speaking this, but in practice not really
outer flint
😟
frail sky
...but since you're playing through it for the first time, we should probably start doing that again
Or else 
stone cove
Dancyboi.
outer flint
<@279794482738888714> Congrats on beating that boss! How you liking the dlc so f...
I gasped when I first stepped into the dlc 🥺
stone cove
Both his rewards are really good from the remberance btw
The talisman affects a lot more htan you'd think
stone cove
Incantations
||Divine Beast Tornado||
Sorceries
Zamor Ice Storm
Ashes of War
Storm Blade
Storm Assault
Storm Stomp
Stormcaller
Unique Skills
Stormhawk Axe - Thunderstorm
Veteran's Prosthesis - Storm Kick
Horned Warrior's Greatsword - Horn Calling: Storm
Zamor Curved Sword - Zamor Ice Storm
Other
Stormwing Bone Arrow
In combo with the otehr stuff you can do to buff ashes of war, this can result in damage number = funny.
stone cove
and divine beast frost stomp is a different but better version of Hoarfrost stomp
Well, "Better"
it can be charged, it has less range, the damage timing is different, but ith its harder
kind garden
Incantations
||Divine Beast Tornado||
Sorceries
Zamor Ice St...
putting a spoiler spell in that
stone cove
i prefer it
kind garden
cmon
warped quest
i wish the lock on point for beast was a bit lower
kind garden
either lower or higher up and closer to the head tbh
the happy medium they picked sucks
stone cove
Tbh, i didnt really think of it as a spoiler, but fixed hopefully
warped quest
yeah ds2 goes the low route
i think going high can cause issues when your trying to melee theme
frail sky
friend acquired
Friend 😌
warped quest
that works too
frail sky
There are a few of those squirrel bun things in the dlc that don't run away from you for some reason, I love them 😌
warped quest
fun fact about ds2 since ive been replaying it past few daays(which makes me want to do sir alonne run in elden ring) there is an animation for being low on health
and running out of stamina
frail sky
Stamina one is your character breathing noticably heavier until it refills right?
warped quest
yeah
obtuse halo
Incantations
||Divine Beast Tornado||
Sorceries
Zamor Ice St...
the fact that it boosts the stormhawk arrows is so funny
obtuse halo
"We saw your complaints that bows get nothing, so fine, bows get something. I hope you like grinding stormhawk feathers"
kind garden
does your bow-only playstyle even get anything for posture breaks
obtuse halo
heyyyy that's pretty good
I'm not one to complain about bows getting literally anything, but this is a third talisman slot you'd be committing to your bow doing semi-decent damage
stone cove
the fact that it boosts the stormhawk arrows is so funny
It's such a random grab bag of things, inclduing a bunch of stuff that was already really strong
and yet it also doesnt buff Divine Beast Frost STomp which is just ???
obtuse halo
does your bow-only playstyle even get anything for posture breaks
I allow myself a dagger for criticals only.
That said posture breaks with a bow are really rare
kind garden
I mean if you have storm arrows and the storm buff
I feel like you might actually get a posture break
stone cove
the ||Ansbach|| bow with storm arrows actually does some pretty stupid damage iirc
frail sky
I mean if you have storm arrows and the storm buff
Doesn't the talisman just buff the damage and not the stance damage?
obtuse halo
Shit. Am I going to have to go actually grind stormhawk feathers to test this out
Pain
kind garden
I have no damn idea if it buffs the stance damage
obtuse halo
yeah they do the best base damage for phys arrows
the downside is you cannot buy them
like you can normal arrows
frail sky
Also huh, neat
kind garden
cursed to make storm bone arrows
frail sky
...okay when it says "breaking enemy stances" it means it does a grand total of 5 stance damage
obtuse halo
yes lol
obtuse halo
Which is still better than normal arrows!
kind garden
what about storm greatarrows
outer flint
well done, that guy is tough
obtuse halo
what about storm greatarrows
hahahhahaahahahhaaha
frail sky
what about storm greatarrows
Don't exist!
frail sky
Because bows!
outer flint
...okay when it says "breaking enemy stances" it means it does a grand total of ...
lmao??
5?
😭
obtuse halo
that said the rare times where I have seen a bow posture break have mostly been from the Lion Greatbow's Rain ability used with Radahn's Spears.
those do pretty respectable posture damage
kind garden
wiki doesn't say how much they do
frail sky
that said the rare times where I have seen a bow posture break have mostly been ...
Makes sense, it is a greatbow
kind garden
oh, huh
Golem's Great Arrows have the storm effect and flavor text
allowing it to break enemy stances and guards with ease.```and cause more poise damage than other arrows
anyone want to check if they're buffed by the Raging Divine Beast talisman?
frail sky
Golem great arrows are pretty damn good as far as great arrows go, but also:
frail sky
...ngl now I kinda want to do a bow run at some point
outer flint
:O
frail sky
:)
frail sky
The light bow moveset looks fun at least
outer flint
:)
i thought radahn's bow would be cool, but the arrows were spensive, and I was scarce on arrow materials too
frail sky
Yeah, 800 souls per arrow seems hellish
outer flint
aughh
warped quest
thats 24000 per reload
frail sky
Bun fact about Radahn’s greatbow! It gives you a 20% boost to damage with Radahn’s great arrows when you’re holding it! …which means that it’s optimal to hold it in your off hand while you use a better greatbow for actually dealing damage
frail sky
oh no, 800 runes per arrow...
It’s more of a pain than it sounds
outer flint
Bun fact about Radahn’s greatbow! It gives you a 20% boost to damage with Radahn...
😭
this great katana is very fun
it's like a new moveset for greatswords
kind garden
gkat goes super hard
outer flint
I return to bonk
kind garden
it's also just a 1:1 copy of the Longsword from Monster Hunter lol
outer flint
YEAH lol
but in a combat system I actually know how to fight in 😔
I forgot to give the default skill a try, I just respecced to int for MLGS so I slapped Carian Greatsword on it and went to kill the boss
had more success than with MLGS for some reason, maybe the range and poking rolling r1 and normal 2 helped
kind garden
Overhead Stance is awesome btw
outer flint
oh is there an ash of war somewhere? then I can still use it with this build
kind garden
Do you have the baseline Great Katana
outer flint
yeah
kind garden
it comes with the Overhead Stance ash
kind garden
so you should be able to equip that and infuse to whatever you want
outer flint
then what's the default skill for great katanas?
kind garden
also Overhead Stance lol
kind garden
o7
outer flint
o7
time to reactivate the Bloody Finger red eyes cosmetic, grab howl of shabriri, and use bloodflame on the great katana
boom, blood rage nago build
oh yeah, I also found a light greatsword (?)
it looks very noble 😌
kind garden
Milady is the sword ever
outer flint
😟
uh oh
hmm... does a magic weapon infusion prevent a weapon from being buffed by magic grease/magic weapon?
lilac condor
yes, sadly
outer flint
rats
lilac condor
one of the reasons clayman's harpoon is so good - it has a native int scaling but you can still buff it for oodles of damage
obtuse halo
Yeah, 800 souls per arrow seems hellish
You say that but I'll take that over materials I have to grind for any day
at some point you can just shoot the bird in moghwyn palace a few times for as many runes as you need to stock up
vivid spire
stoic sleet
ffs, if From is going to have their NPC summons buff bosses this much then they need actually make said summons, like, useful
stone cove
at some point you can just shoot the bird in moghwyn palace a few times for as m...
Shoot the bird, squish the frogs
stoic sleet
i just experimented with standing back and letting ||Ansbach|| fight the final boss a bit
stone cove
ffs, if From is going to have their NPC summons buff bosses this much then they ...
If it's the final boss, one of them genuinely is
Ironically the one you spoilered
stoic sleet
not only does he do scratch damage, but he spends something like 80% of the time whiffing and/or running to catch up with the boss and/or getting flinched out of his attacks
stone cove
But it's most useful if you're also bringing bleed
vivid spire
Bleed builds will see you use a melee weapon and say “they hath not the Arcane for bleed incantations”
stone cove
yeah, i don't... have that.
And? Blood infusion still exists, plenty of weapons have innate bleed
You don't have to be specced into arcane to use bleed
Half the reason Katanas are great is because they exert bleed pressure naturally
stoic sleet
i am aware of how the mechanics of this game work thank you
stone cove
One of the best bleed build I know uses heavy infusion
stoic sleet
however bleed is better with arcane thanks to the scaling
stone cove
*on some builds using Occult
Blood infusion only scales physical damage with arcane, and poorly at that, you get most of your damage from str or dex still
stone cove
I'm not meaning to be a jerk, just correct what I viewed as false information
stoic sleet
okay, well, it came off kind of condescending
sorry. i'm tilted and frustrated as it is
stone cove
Then take a break, rather than taking it out on others.
Other thing that helps if you're bringing summons or not: Hefty rot pots.
It takes 1+1 per summon to rot in the first phase, and 2+1 per summon in the second phase
And each proc will do 30% max hp.
I brought the final boss down using bloodflame buffed beast claws, the summon you mentioned, and those - they just do so much damage (30% of max hp)
covert schooner
Twitter
frozen olive
The funniest thing about this is that iirc Rannis doll body is much shorter than her Empyrean one
median rock
it's a shame there isn't really any good duo boss fight in terms of actually making both enemies engage at the same time
like where you're actually fighting 2 dudes at once rather than 1 dude while the other dude walks menacingly towards you
godskin duo or valiant gargs are probably the closest, but it's really noticeable for like crystalian duo/trios or crucible duo
ofc the release version of like putrid crystal trio was miserable but theres gotta be a middle ground AI wise
warped quest
the problem is arena design
the good double fights in the past all had arenas you could exploit
ONS, gargoles, skeleton lords
most duo fights in ER arejust puting you in a flat square room against multiable enemi esthat just dog pile you
even the godskin made the mistake of making the pillars breakable
stone cove
like where you're actually fighting 2 dudes at once rather than 1 dude while the...
The game's not really set up to let you cleanly handle crowds if they cant be flinched/staggered etc. You'd really have to work at doing critters that do moves in synch or similar.
I dunno, i can think of ways to do it, but they all run itno camera issues etc
warped quest
just make an arena that isnt a square room with no cover
stone cove
That's really easy to say
but has a bunch of complexity around how the ai interacts with it etc
warped quest
they have already done it in the past just fine ONS skeleton lords, gargolyes
all multi fights that have an arena that gives the player an advantage
ons has pillars that can be used to stop some of the attacks and help split the two, skeleton has cover that helps block ranged attacks and kite the skeletons, as well as player choice in the fight to go after the skeleton lord they find the least annoying, and the angled roof in gargolge makes a lot of attacks that would normally hit on flat ground miss
median rock
The game's not really set up to let you cleanly handle crowds if they cant be fl...
old crystalian groups were actually engaging when it was like, the caster in the back throwing shit while u meleed somebody
imo it's not mostly arena design it's almost all attack patterns
kinda like BOFA duo fight but they're so squishy you dont really get a chance to appreciate it
unfortunately you also had shit like old putrid trio which had somebody casting at you, somebody who never stopped jumping at you, and somebody who is either spinning at you or throwing more things at you - but it would have been fine if it was like, just a caster and a spear guy like the one in that tunnel
outer flint
does Overhead Stance count towards successive attack stacks?
I am once again buildcrafting in my head 
glossy delta
I believe it does yeah
Millicents/Rotten Sword/Lord Of Blood's Exultation was a thing I did for a bit
With an occult great katana
obtuse halo
There is not, though frostbite comes with a defensive debuff for affected enemies so it’s kind of its own exultation
outer flint
ah true
my Cold Great Katana has 123 frost buildup 
and a lil bleed too, as a treat
vivid spire
my Cold Great Katana has 123 frost buildup <:intensifeyes:454087335101857792>
That could tear through a lot of stuff ngl
Although dlc bleed resist
obtuse halo
when I think of rapid cold application, my heart lies hooked by Death's Poker
vivid spire
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Keep in mind a lot of stuff in the dlc has insane bleed resist though so you’ll wanna rely on the frostbite
vivid spire
I played with a summon who nuked Mohg with poker
Like he hit phase two and died instantly
outer flint
Keep in mind a lot of stuff in the dlc has insane bleed resist though so you’ll ...
dang..
i guess I can try bleed weapons on another playthrough 
gonna be a frost warrior for now tho
I've got ranni's moon and some frost tornado that I haven't tried
and MLGS too :3
vivid spire
Good news
Only a few bosses have fairly strong frostbite resistance
And at least one is weak to it that I know of
Edit: two
You can fuck them up
obtuse halo
Like he hit phase two and died instantly
Oh god lmao
yeah mogh sits still for a while during the phase transition and lots of builds can exploit that to just melt the guy
obtuse halo
oh yeah if you're doing fire damage combined with death's poker that gets big damage alarmingly fast
Fire's Deadly Sin + Death's Poker is a well known cheese strat
I know it was the strat someone used for Overburdened no-dodging Malenia
just to keep her continuously staggered from frost procs to minimize her heals
tropic stream
https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTNV3k9Lo/
big oof
tropic stream
Are yall biased because trans doll lady lmao
I do genuinely think she's the best ending for the Lands Between
proven cloak
my hot take is that I still think ||Miquella's plan is one of the better ones for the people of the lands between|| <- (Sote plot spoilers)
||The problem is mostly in how it will compound its issues over time - yeah, right now Caelid's devastation is 'worth it' for godhood, what about when problems crop up during godhood?||
but it'll probably be nice for the most people, for a while - ||I rate it about at, or slightly below Ranni||
btw
how did I never before notice Radagon's theme has a single moment where the male chorus is overtaken by a lone female singer, followed by a shattering sound
cool storytelling
obtuse halo
Radagon really is maybe FROM's best souls final boss for several reasons - even if Gwyn holds a special place in my heart, Radagon is absolutely the better fight
Ignoring EB for a moment (who I think is more hated than it deserves in part because it comes on the heels of a way more awesome fight)
proven cloak
I think both segments would be less without the other, from a spectacle / vibe standpoint
warped quest
eh its a pretty big shift
proven cloak
I like that we get the destroyed inner-ring of the erdtree, and the cosmic majesty
warped quest
it would be like if gwyn went into bed of chaos
obtuse halo
It's not that extreme.
warped quest
ok in this scanrio lets say bed of chaos is an ok fight
obtuse halo
And I like the visuals of the EB a lot, it's mostly just that it's kind of a pain in the ass
proven cloak
Radagon still has a sort of.... harsh power to him
warped quest
like ignoreing how bad bed is
proven cloak
I think a lot of people might've liked it less because they didn't expect it
warped quest
i do think radagon with some changes to fit being a full boss
would be the best final
i think its more cause it runs really far away
and if you have high holy resist its a joke fight
obtuse halo
on the other hand, a longer radagon fight would be even more daunting for bow-only lmao
Radagon is fucking hard with a bow!
proven cloak
crossbow only my friend had to swap bolts mid-fight against EB and Radagon lmao
took too many
obtuse halo
yeah similar issue
Radagon is absolutely the harder part of the pair, the tricky part is getting through radagon without burning too many resources to finish off EB
proven cloak
would be the best final
Its just a disagreement here, unfortunately - I really liked how EB capped off the game and the sheer spectacle of it
just Radagon would still be good, because hes a good fight + still looks sick
but EB goes so hard
obtuse halo
the spectacle is sick, I just hate chasing the boss all over a massive arena
proven cloak
in terms of main game final bosses in the games I've played, it clears pretty much no contest
obtuse halo
whereas Radagon is happy to come to you and doesn't do this keep-away nonsense
proven cloak
yeah thats fair
it does do that
I can only speak to my personal experience, and I don't personally mind that sort of play as much
I've heard similar complaints about ||Shadowtree Avatar||
which was one of my favorite fights in the dlc
obtuse halo
Oh, that fight's in a big arena but I don't remember the boss doing much in the way of keep-away
proven cloak
he tends to come back pretty quick if he does
warped quest
it only has one attack it does that with and its more to hit you than just run
proven cloak
I've got horrible memories of the first time I fought Midir because I felt the same way
I wonder if EB's fight design was trying to get around the jank camera problems with big enemies
obtuse halo
yeah the one that zooms off into the distance is specifically in phase 2 I think and basically always paired with a second zoom right back
proven cloak
sometimes it throws a few thorns
warped quest
i was slightly annoyed at the thorn attack cause itmakes it hard to see behind it
proven cloak
I'm still not 100% on how to dodge its big final explosions
especially the double-tap one
obtuse halo
you can just roll it with good timing
vivid spire
Ok black knife scales amazingly with dex
kind garden
sure does
Offhand Blade of Calling for peak performance
Daggers have a really good power stance moveset
vivid spire
A single hit
kind garden
I'm still not 100% on how to dodge its big final explosions
Run for your life
It’s dumb but sometimes it bada be like that
atomic plinth
How does one properly use Bloodhound's Finesse?
atomic plinth
...unrelated, but I am BEGGING motherfuckers to PLEASE just INVEST IN VITALITY
I've had so many hosts get onetapped
spring marlin
60, i beg of you hosts
atomic plinth
I'll settle for 50
spring marlin
you'll be okay with a bit less incremental damage
atomic plinth
I promise your DPS cannon won't be affected by putting points into vitality
outer flint
seeing malenia do 721 damage for ~60% of a hosts life bar -> 1200 hp -> 35 vigor
my minimum summon level is 137
spring marlin
pain.
atomic plinth
Dude I just got summoned for got onetapped by 1000 some odd damage from the hippo's slam attack
outer flint
😭
atomic plinth
Which to be fair, that IS A Fucking Lot, but if he'd had at least 35 vigor he'd have survived it
frozen olive
the vigor check is fucking crazy
these people are NOT "him"
they are decidedly not built different
outer flint
I'm also considering changing my name to I Buff Holy Res, so hosts will let me use Lord's Divine Fortification during Elden Beast instead of getting grabbed and dying instantly
vivid spire
I actually have a lot more baldachin stuff than I thought
I kept coming back
Fortissax was cool
outer flint
ng+ summon sessions have been chill 2/2 times tho, once for radahn and once for godskin apostle
impeccable vibes
outer flint
Fortissax was cool
outer flint
ng+ summon sessions have been chill 2/2 times tho, once for radahn and once for ...
actually, radahn ended in a dc when he died, got the runes but not the rune arc
outer flint
D's brother, d
frozen olive
my honest reaction
obtuse halo
D's brother might have some unresolved issues with women
frozen olive
we should kill him for it
obtuse halo
like, uh, dude?!?!?!
obtuse halo
You can murder people without making it weird!
obtuse halo
Stabbing, sure ok, but then you start droning on about this incel shit...
vivid spire
Fias hood goes well with my outfit
I have a feeling it smells like lavender for some reason
obtuse halo
Unrelatedly it amuses me that High Page outfit is the Dress (tm)
is it white and gold or is it blue? Depends on the lighting. 😛
atomic plinth
they are decidedly not built different
They're built stupid
Straight up built incorrectly
kind garden
How does one properly use Bloodhound's Finesse?
the activating swipe is really hard to hit
so you can slash through an attack, then punish with the followup
atomic plinth
Right
frail sky
Note: only the follow up has I frames
kind garden
the initial attack do got a janky ass hitbox tho
frail sky
Yeh, it’s still good at letting you dodge out of the way even without I frames
proven cloak
Stabbing, sure ok, but then you start droning on about this incel shit...
def less cool than his brother
outer flint
^^
proven cloak
wait he has more
bro is Weird about it for sure
runner-up in the "Worst Fundementalist" awards
vivid spire
Me thinking about D again lmao
proven cloak
number 1 is Omenkiller Rollo
languid tiger
don't think omenkillers would be considered fundamentalists
grave plinth
~~number 1 is Omenkiller Rollo~~
At least Rollo had the decency to chemically lobotomize himself before he started
proven cloak
the perfumers have some sort of connection to them in the base game
languid tiger
that seems reserved for specifically the int/fth radagon-type people
proven cloak
though dlc implies they've been around for longer
vivid spire
"The witch reeks of death! Do you not see it?!"
"Smells of lilac to me."
"Are you insane? Can you not see the good deed I have done for this world, in the name of Order-"
"No. You are."
I timed it just as he stopped talking to fuck him up lmao
vivid spire
that seems reserved for specifically the int/fth radagon-type people
And they don't share the crossed serpent iconography
proven cloak
that seems reserved for specifically the int/fth radagon-type people
yeah principia's found on a perfumer corpse
and you get Sacred Blade ash in Perfumer Ruins
so nothing strong
I imagine early perfumers were more akin to gardeners of the Erdtree, and then later they got more scientific / overlapped with the fundementalists
languid tiger
that's definitely a little bit
proven cloak
the Pulley Crossbow's invention shows they were interested in more than just GO magic
languid tiger
they were exclusively healers, prior to the Shattering
proven cloak
well not the Lands of Shadow ones, for sure
languid tiger
the Pulley Crossbow's invention shows they were interested in more than just GO ...
i mean
proven cloak
they were not healing me there
languid tiger
Goldmask is Goldmask
proven cloak
did he make it?
languid tiger
yes
languid tiger
well not the Lands of Shadow ones, for sure
In time past, the role of perfumer was much respected; a blessed apothecary in the eyes of the many. But after entering the battlefields of the Shattering they performed no such role, trading their aromatics for poisons and explosives.
When her efforts failed, she was their companion as they died, watching over them to ensure that they could pass peacefully, free of pain.
A tale akin to the origins of the deathbed companions.```Garb of a traveling perfumer of no renown.
An associate of a healer, he is said to be in search of new aromatics and flower gardens, in hopes of treating Misbegotten, Omen and all those seen as impure.```Crossbow made with pulleys and power springs. The complex mechanism, which required advanced mathematical and mechanical understanding to craft, was likely made by a certain genius who learned Golden Order fundamentalism.
proven cloak
I saw someone think 'certain genius' was Miquella
I just assumed unnamed other fundementalist tbh
languid tiger
goldmask is explicitly "the math genius who studied fundamentalism"
proven cloak
true
I'm inclined to lump them broadly with the Fundementalists due to alchemy-vibes matching up the faith-science
languid tiger
and "a certain x" pretty much always signifies that it's someone [the general you] should recognize
proven cloak
but yeah, its not a direct connection
languid tiger
as opposed to a rando
vivid spire
I wonder how gold mask thinks of TWLID
proven cloak
he thinks its shortsighted of the hunters to go after them - true oppositional forces don't exist within Order
How easy it is for learning and learnedness to be reduced to the
ravings of fanatics; all the good and the great wanted, in their
foolishness, was an absolute evil to contend with.
Does such a notion exist in the fundamentals of Order?```heresy is not native to the world, all can be conjoined
vivid spire
Huh thats kinda chill
frozen olive
Goldmask is pretty based
vivid spire
I gotta remember to bring miriel a large blanket and fix his church once I become Elden Lord
It's gonna get foggy
And probably cold
frozen olive
Miriel getting the extra big blanky and 1 trillion rune budget for his church
frozen olive
honestly idk
frail sky
I think like the only bad thing about Turtle Pope is him not being a very big fan of divorce
vivid spire
Idk I just wanna have a ghost wedding with Fia and Godwyn
Divorce bad so I'll just make a polyule
proven cloak
I think like the only bad thing about Turtle Pope is him not being a very big fa...
even then I kind of love how he frames it
vivid spire
Imagine if Fia simps for Godwyn and he just politely says he's uninterested
That would be so funny ngl
And it's the warmest rejection ever
proven cloak
"My faith does not waver. The miracle rooted in these grounds will, once again, mend the world. And this time, its bounty will not be squandered. If you would be Elden Lord, Tarnished, I hope that you, too, will share my faith."
frozen olive
I think like the only bad thing about Turtle Pope is him not being a very big fa...
to be entirely fair to him, the divorce he's thinking of had pretty bad consequences for The Lands Between
proven cloak
like thats a geniunely hopeful statement in a game that really isnt all that hopeful most of the time
vivid spire
"My faith does not waver. The miracle rooted in these grounds will, once again, ...
Marriagepilled Godmaxxing
Like I wanna marry her from plz
proven cloak
its really interesting the way he focuses on vows-as-bonds
vivid spire
I went to the trouble of fighting the Gargoyles for this lmao
vivid spire
Also I was thinking about the Mask of Confidence and how radagon had the preceptors wear them when him and Rennala were talking at all times to "keep matters private'
I think they were madly in love
Maybe like
The Sea of Souls is normally a gentle resting place and a transient dimension
So Souls could normally come and go as they pleased before everything was fucked up
Godwyns just chilling
frozen olive
i really don't think he's big chilling no matter what
personal opinion but he just died in such a gruesome way
proven cloak
He's definitely suffering(?) in some capacity, imo
frozen olive
having half of the literal concept of death carved into your back, permanently scouring your soul from the living world is just
proven cloak
which is what you fix with Fia's quest
frozen olive
a baaaaaad way to go
proven cloak
he gets 'new life' when he's reborn as the rune
vivid spire
Yeah probably
proven cloak
Godwyns just chilling
actually you wouldn't do this so you prob don't know but ||if you attack fia, Godwyn's corpse casts some spells towards you, and Fia goes "Godwyn... Is that you, dear?"||
vivid spire
The goal of the ending is to fix the suffering of death
vivid spire
actually you wouldn't do this so you prob don't know but ||if you attack fia, Go...
Holy SHIT
well boo she really is already married and I'm not into men...
Or fish.. things..
proven cloak
look godwyns pretty open minded and already has something going on with Fortissax maybe they're poly
vivid spire
Fish.. men.. tree?
frozen olive
unfortunately for Godwyn, Ranni is wife
vivid spire
look godwyns pretty open minded ~~and already has something going on with Fortis...
It's the only way my head cannon can function ;-;
Also either way
You're taking away the suffering created by sealing away death
That's pretty good maybe he'll be in less.. pain
frail sky
actually you wouldn't do this so you prob don't know but ||if you attack fia, Go...
For reference:
https://youtu.be/mkwjJv2xVWE?t=320
Also isn't this the dlc thread?
We don't need to spoil basegame stuff in here
vivid spire
Yeah maybe godwyn is in a bad way rn
But that's ok
I'm gonna fix everything (:
He just needs a kiss and some chocolate
frail sky
...actually wait, why is this conversation in the dlc thread anyway?
proven cloak
idk
I just like talking lore more in here because you can include dlc stuff
vivid spire
Wait what this is the only Elden ring thread though
proven cloak
like if I wanted to talk about Radagon / Marika I probably want to involve ||Saint Trina and Miq||
theres a general Soulslike one
frail sky
Wait what this is the only Elden ring thread though
We also have #1162109930472493066
(Which tends to end up being an elden ring thread 75% of the time)
warped quest
yeah part of it is people barely play the non fromsoft soulslikes
even though they are really good
proven cloak
Lies of P is on my list eventually, when I get the money + time for it
frozen olive
i've got it on my list to try as well
though i've still got a few games that are higher up
notably DS2 and DS1 lol
frozen olive
(final boss spoilers)||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vvbFw6j7uk||
this is quite funny
atomic plinth
Vyke's Dragonbolt
Well there's his issue
proven cloak
having replayed ||Midra's Manse|| in the dlc, I'm ||more confident he was doing finger-related stuff||
not only can ||you still see the finger ruin orbs poking out of the tarps in that one room||, but ||its a mandatory room to progress through the dungeon, hiding a lever behind it||
like taking the walk through of the dungeon as its 'story', you ||travel through photos of it when the land was lush, walk past torn diaries about encountering the flame in the woods + hornsent spirits that walk the halls, meet the 'what crime did Midra even do?' ghost, find Nanaya + Midra's portrait with the Fingers behind them, run into a ton of Inquisitors afterwards (and Swollen Grapes in the library), and then find Midra in a 'discussion hall' branded with fingerprints on the floor.||
it almost feels chronological
lilac condor
starting the DLC, ran into my first black knight with a giant mace
Vigor check!
(I was the one getting checked)
outer flint
those guys are scary 😭
vivid spire
Fire giant is annoying
warped quest
i realised the other day the reason fire giant doesnt bother me
is because ive played too much dark souls 2
so much last giant
languid tiger
me when the
when the giant lord
warped quest
i had to diagram a walking chart when i did giant lord at sl1
languid tiger
christ
warped quest
it wasnt the giant lord it was the fireballs
languid tiger
yeah
wouldn't have enough stamina to run/roll through them all super cleanly, yeah?
outer flint
deflecting is hard 😔
covert schooner
First time I’ve ever liked the content added by one of these “boss improvement” mods
specially the cut dialogue
stone cove
I don't like him being called Elden Lord, becuase he seems to have gone out of his way to rejct that, but that's me being fussy on LORE
stone cove
deflecting is hard 😔
It's super tricky, i'm really bad at it
covert schooner
I don't like him being called Elden Lord, becuase he seems to have gone out of h...
That’s fair but it feels like the kinda thing that’s interesting for him to say when he’s basically losing
stone cove
That’s fair but it feels like the kinda thing that’s interesting for him to say ...
Also apprently the calling himself elden lord is a deleted line, which is super interesting
covert schooner
Yeah those are all cut together deleted lines
stoic sleet
Does anyone know, when you get summoned in the Land of Shadow, does your scadu level match the hosts or is it your normal one or
stoic sleet
Just kind of wondering bc I just got summoned for a bear that hit harder than radahn
Ah yeah that makes sense
proven cloak
Also apprently the calling himself elden lord is a deleted line, which is super ...
I've heard in japanese his "Last of All Kings" is more direct of a shout-out towards Godfrey's title
he's the 'last lord' of Leyndell, Godfrey is the 'First lord'
so 'Elden Lord' makes sense as a rough early version, before they settled on what they got
"The Erdtree is firmly rooted, always" was with his 'on-kill' dialogue as Margit, I think
or maybe Morgott
covert schooner
its a baller line
spring marlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l9qllSxv4k
what i wouldn't give for a camera like this...
covert schooner
i mean if youre on pc you canhave it :p
tropic stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l9qllSxv4k
What in the Icon Spellblade ultimate is that clone attack lmao
tropic stream
God the convergence mod looks so cool
One of the new bosses is just
A swole Druid
HE TURNS INTO AN OWL???
atomic plinth
...say, if an invader dies, do the players get runes no matter how far away they died?
Considering invading people while named Free Runes and immediately killing myself to give em a bounty, cause I have a solid million runes on me atm
languid tiger
https://youtu.be/EiPmXszEcWI?si=vK7q6kJIrptLMkEV
huh, is that a fully custom moveset? the only thing i really recognized on caimar was the godskin noble speen
maybe a couple animations here and there from like, malenia?
but that's a fucking rad movelist
atomic plinth
...debating if I wanna powerstance Bloodhound Fangs or just two-hand one
languid tiger
rhys was also really cool looking, even if they didn't seem to have a huge moveset
looking good though
languid tiger
...debating if I wanna powerstance Bloodhound Fangs or just two-hand one
i'm not the biggest fan of the curved greatsword powerstance, but i don't hate it
you should test out the animations and see which you prefer
atomic plinth
It is pretty stiff
...wait this is literally just the greatsword powerstance moveset
languid tiger
i think the r2s are different?
been a bit
don't quite remember
but yeah, i prefer the single CGS
atomic plinth
Agreed tbh
languid tiger
feels more responsive
atomic plinth
Plus I kinda dig dealing colossal weapon AR on a CGS
1165 AR and that's without the fucking insanely huge bonus from the Two Handed Sword Talisman
Fuckin 15% bonus, Jesus motherfuck
AND it has bleed buildup on top of all that
This thing is stupid in the best way
languid tiger
yeah, bloodhound's fang is notoriously broken
it's escaped...a surprising number of patches entirely unscathed or with buffs
languid tiger
it's literally the only quality weapon worth using
not because you can't make other quality weapons good
atomic plinth
But because it's just that good
languid tiger
but because if you're going quality, it outscales basically everything at DPS starting at like
40/40
or 30/50 or smth
atomic plinth
Forget Moonveil, forget DMGS, forget magic infused UGS, when someone asks me "hey what weapon should I use on my Int build" I'm pointing at this and saying "Use Scholar's Armament on it"
tropic stream
huh, is that a fully custom moveset? the only thing i really recognized on caima...
The owl is from fucking Owl, Father in Sekiro
languid tiger
oh i saw the owl move
it fucking balls
and i also noticed the paired colossal swords being the ds3 ones
tropic stream
I think a good bit of his moveset is Morgott, a lot of the flips etc
But the combination feels very original
also again
swole monk/druid beats the shit out of you
Is not exactly normally on the Elden Ring menu
atomic plinth
HAH
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I GOT A CHEATER WITH A FREEAIMED GIANTSFLAME TAKE THEE
I FEEL SO FUCKING POWERFUL
tropic stream
lmao
proven cloak
also had Owl's moves there lmao
proven cloak
the ds3 one replaced Curse-Rotted Greatwood ||because the devs can't handle peak||
languid tiger
or same moveset overall?
proven cloak
idk it was a while ago I played ds3 convergence
he looks much more polished in ER than I remember
the ds3 one was a little jank
they replaced Iudex Gundyr with the BB dog too
languid tiger
lmao
proven cloak
this part always made my eye twitch
headcanon lore.... in my ds3 game........... >:(
tropic stream
headcanon lore.... in my ds3 game........... >:(
yeah that's a bit cringe
proven cloak
plus 'Nameless King' is just a cooler title
does ER convergence have boss rebattling?
that was one of the cooler parts of the old mod
tropic stream
no idea
