cause he's the theological GOAT
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
frozen olive
kind garden
perfecting the golden order is cringe, imagine thinking that theocracy is based
obtuse halo
it's not explored, but she probably does eventually forgive you, or at least acknowledge that you beat the allegations
frozen olive
Goldmask is a real homie
frail sky
tbf the Ranni ending is the ideal one, you get to marry a cool doll girl.
Oh and also throw away the golden order so something new can be created, something controlled by man not gods.
But mostly the first thing
obtuse halo
perfecting the golden order is cringe, imagine thinking that theocracy is based
That's the thing, Goldmask's ultimate problem with it is that it's theocracy.
frozen olive
Goldmask literally automates god
halcyon cobalt
I do not trust the people of that world to not somehow restart the weird cyclical prophecy lol
obtuse halo
The current imperfection of the Golden Order, or instability of ideology, can be blamed upon the fickleness of the gods no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment.
golden pond
Goldmask literally automates god
Factorio players be like
halcyon cobalt
better to be the lord and make sure it stays chill
frozen olive
the whole point of his ending is that God is no longer allowed to do anything
Goldmask finds out about Radagon Marika and says
native burrow
It’s cyclical because it starts again
kind garden
I did this deep dive already, all you're doing is putting it in the hands of whoever intreprets God's will instead
native burrow
That’s the whole point
obtuse halo
well, sure
frozen olive
makes a rune that removes all of gods ability to do anything to the world
he also just does this by thinking
frail sky
It’s the best of the non best endings, not that there’s a lot of competition
halcyon cobalt
the yellow ending is the best because it's the shiniest, check mate liberals
golden pond
the yellow ending is the best because it's the shiniest, check mate liberals
blue ending has doll wife
checkmate, incel 
frozen olive
like he literally thinks up an immeasurably powerful rune to just take all of gods power
native burrow
But I would not allow such minor concerns about permanence of my regime to get in the way of doing what I think is best
halcyon cobalt
DO NOT tell the philosophers that if they think hard enough they can banish god, they're gonna have an aneurysm
kind garden
to be fair: he did have to die to release that rune from his body
frozen olive
he thinks so hard he figures out a way to turn off gods power
kind garden
that was pretty brutal
frozen olive
Dung Eater literally has to be tortured to death to make one
kind garden
it's your thoughts/feelings/ambitions/etc. crystallized
frozen olive
Fia has to do unspeakable things to the soulless fish corpse
halcyon cobalt
I wish there was a side quest where you can convince the guano gobbler to kill himself to make a rune and then throw it in the trash or something lol
frozen olive
Gold Mask just stands there for a bit then pops one out and says "my work here is done" and dies
halcyon cobalt
chad behavior
kind garden
Fia, Dung Eater, and Goldmask all died with a single wish to amend the Golden Order a specific way so their runes became Mending-Runes to repair the broken Order
frail sky
it's your thoughts/feelings/ambitions/etc. crystallized
The principles you would follow
kind garden
yes
frozen olive
he just thinks REALLY hard and does some maths and boom, rune
long bone
I fucking love this so much. Boss spoilerino ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufAmIBRFohM||
kind garden
I was in fact citing that specific line
obtuse halo
to be fair: he did have to die to release that rune from his body
it's honestly so impressive that he manages to die t-posing
lmao
long bone
top 5 souls npc voicelines of all time
frail sky
I fucking love this so much. Boss spoilerino ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...
The best version tbh
native burrow
“Hey, I thought about it for a while and I came up with a mathematically perfect solution to governance.”
kind garden
Bro t-posed so hard God went "ayo?"
native burrow
dies
frozen olive
but yeah i love Gold Mask
halcyon cobalt
it's honestly so impressive that he manages to die t-posing
I would pay good money to see a recording of how the discussion of the t-pose went in the writting room
frozen olive
the only man who can literally have zero dialogue and be one of my favourite characters
long bone
The best version tbh
it adds so much to the ost
frozen olive
all he does is stand there
kind garden
goldmask is funny and all but I don't agree with his solution
frozen olive
i don't think it's the best solution either
it's clearly the Age of Stars
but he still has the best non-Age of stars ending
and he's incredibly based for making it by just thinking really hard
halcyon cobalt
finds out god is a nerd
wanders around thinking
sees a clock
"oh word?"
dies
fixes the cosmology
I like the headcannon of my dex build monk going with the golden order ending.
ascetic journey via punching gods. true anime shit.
frozen olive
punch god in the face and turn off gods router
Ranni's ending is still the best one but yeah i do love Goldmask
kind garden
Goldmask wrote a treatise on governance with his soul
Fia said “everyone just be cool about undeath it’s not that big a deal”
Dung Eater wrote “normies go explode”
obtuse halo
Yeah I went Golden Order ending with my exiled Aristocrat character
frozen olive
Dung Eater literally just cursed everyone because he could
a truer hater i have never seen
obtuse halo
Lady Aurelia ran around for most of the game with in High Page gear, with the Noble's Straight Sword
by the end she'd picked up Tanith's Mask and Cleanrot Knight armor for a full gold kit to go with the sword
halcyon cobalt
Hey guys the fabric of the cosmos is broken how do we fix it?
"What if we hard coded spiritual and physical decay and suffering into every facet of every living beings existance?"
Does anyone but dung eater have any ideas?
frozen olive
you can sorta tell what ending i did with my original playthrough
obtuse halo
lol
golden pond
moons too good
halcyon cobalt
Rannis hat is the perfect middle ground between drip and silly
obtuse halo
Hey guys the fabric of the cosmos is broken how do we fix it?
"What if we hard c...
dungeater like "hear me out, are any of you familiar with 40k?"
halcyon cobalt
I swear it can fit into almost any outfit
frozen olive
it's a good hat
though technically it's Renna´s i suppose
not Ranni's
but it is the one Ranni based her hat on so
you know
halcyon cobalt
I LOVE how the second phase of rennalas fight is just ranni yelling "leave mommy alone"
obtuse halo
my problems with the snow witch gear are twofold:
- it doesn't really match with anything but itself, just too clean a white-blue 😔
- no shoes
halcyon cobalt
so cute
obtuse halo
I LOVE how the second phase of rennalas fight is just ranni yelling "leave mommy...
"N-no tarnished, I swear, my mother is cool and powerful, look at this"
halcyon cobalt
Myazaki says toes are essential to every vaguely feminine characters design
frozen olive
one of my favourite characters in the game
halcyon cobalt
do not question the vision
frozen olive
protect her
i mean we know lore accurately that Rennala was a fucking baller
she's just like, really fucking depressed in the time the game takes place
golden pond
there really is just 1 fucking stance for great katanas, huh
halcyon cobalt
I too would be destraught if my husband cheated on me with himself
obtuse halo
Myazaki says toes are essential to every vaguely feminine characters design
Okay but (dlc final boss spoilers) ||I almost fucking died as miquella walked onscreen and the first thing we see of this character is his fucking feet||
halcyon cobalt
not sure how to recover from that tbh
frozen olive
kind of lost her mind a bit to genuinely just overwhelming sorrow
kind garden
Ranni truly is a mommy’s girl
frozen olive
I too would be destraught if my husband cheated on me with himself
like all of her children went on to have horrible fates except Ranni
native burrow
at least rennala took his dog in the divorce
frozen olive
she did take Radagons dog
kind garden
Unfortunately it is red and reminds her of her ex-husband
Damn
Is Rennala having a Disco Elysium experience
obtuse halo
everything reminds her of her ex-husband
frozen olive
but yeah like, we know that the only way Marika managed to get past Caria for her Queen Eternal shit was literally fucking her way into the family as Radagon
obtuse halo
she spends all her time with egg
kind garden
Anything that reminds her of the ex-SOMETHING does crippling Morale damage
halcyon cobalt
I didn't take the myazaki feet meme seriously until someone pointed out to me that malenia's prosthetic leg has toes
now I see it everywhere
frozen olive
cause Rennala and her army were too fucking strong for her to just go in and conquer
kind garden
Okay, listen, listen
Miyazaki used barefoot characters as a visual shorthand for ethereal divinity
frozen olive
we also know iirc that Rennala is the REASON Caria has a royal bloodline
kind garden
Their feet are never dirtied by the ground
golden pond
Is Rennala having a Disco Elysium experience
Corhyn, Goldmask and The Tarnished standing around, stoically nodding
frozen olive
she was that much of a baller
halcyon cobalt
Their feet are never dirtied by the ground
counter point, maiden in black (not sure if thats the name) from demon souls
frozen olive
Rennala is really fucking cool anwyway and i hope she recovers from her depression
kind garden
Maiden in Black is Miyazonky’s waifu
frozen olive
if i wasn't already going for Ranni, would
kind garden
Anyways Michael Zaki’s barefooted divine women whose feet touch the ground but are never dirtied are a very cool visual metaphor and yet I can’t help but feel like there’s something in it for him because he keeps doing it and keeps zooming in on FEET
halcyon cobalt
Real talk being the only monarch who hasn't gone on a genocide because of the downfall of your entire worldview and/or mental degredation probably puts renalla in the running for "least shitty leader"
still think morgott is the goat
frail sky
Renalla doesn’t know that Ranni is still alive right?
frozen olive
also that makes me remember that in one of the overhaul mods they turn Rennala's hat into a crown/tiara thing which is cowardly bullshit
halcyon cobalt
radhan is only bad on a technicality since he has rot brain
frozen olive
it was Convergence apparently
obtuse halo
Renalla doesn’t know that Ranni is still alive right?
I'm not sure she's cognizant of much of anything
she barely seems to notice you're in the boss room trying to kill her
kind garden
I still think it’s funnier that he couldn’t say no to the guy who made Gwynevere’s great chest ahead because the artist seemed so earnest and pleased with his work
glossy delta
Renalla doesn’t know that Ranni is still alive right?
Renalla probably is not aware that she died in the first place yeah
frozen olive
giving her a crown thing instead of her royal carian hat is not it for me
she makes that fucking banana ass hat work
kind garden
VERY cringe, modders
halcyon cobalt
iirc she was working on perfecting rebirth and when radagon left her she become unable to do much of anything except obsess over her work
kind garden
The banana is a highly dignified look
frail sky
giving her a crown thing instead of her royal carian hat is not it for me
Ugh, that’s just wrong
opaque canopy
I may finally try convergence when I finish the DLC. idk.
frozen olive
Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon has fucking poise and dignity
obtuse halo
Renalla has a very iconic look, but it's emphatically hers
opaque canopy
but yeah the hat is kind of integral to her look.
frozen olive
and that hat? my GOODNESS does she make it work
frozen olive
it ties the whole thing together
opaque canopy
like even if it's not something I could ever put on my own characer because, yeah that
frail sky
Like I’d prefer to be able to wear a crown like that on my character, but that is not Renalla
kind garden
Someone needs to put that hat on Ranni
frozen olive
and the fact that you look stupid wearing it is a testament to how cool Rennala is
kind garden
That would be funny
golden pond
Centerfold moment
opaque canopy
like. IDK the entire point of the hat isn't to look like a traditional crown.
frozen olive
Centerfold moment
that sure is a setup...
opaque canopy
it's to look like something a wizard regent would wear.
frozen olive
it definitely does
glossy delta
Renalla does look dumb in that hat frankly but also any time modders try to yassify characters I roll my eyes
kind garden
Also I’m glad that we finally know for sure that Melina and Ranni looking the same ||isn’t a conspiracy bit, but a testament to the strength of Marika’s genetics||
frozen olive
like i said it works really well for her tbh
frozen olive
Renalla *does* look dumb in that hat frankly but also any time modders try to ya...
i honestly disagree? I think she looks pretty cool with it
kind garden
It works because Rennala is a swan-woman with insane proportions
frozen olive
just the hat combined with the whole fit and her very regal appearance and knowing she's a massively powerful witch and everything
kind garden
Like I’ll be real for a second
frozen olive
it only works cause it's her
obtuse halo
It works because Rennala is a swan-woman with insane proportions
I mean yes, that's like everyone who isn't tarnished
frozen olive
it's very much a Rennala thing but that's what makes it good
obtuse halo
even the soldiers are weirdly proportioned
native burrow
If suffering is coded into existence then suffering is no longer suffering as it is now the baseline
kind garden
Rennala’s entire look is precedented on this lady having like 11 feet of height
obtuse halo
what's really interesting about this is power seems to actually make people bigger in the lands between
frozen olive
Rennala’s entire look is precedented on this lady having like 11 feet of height
oh absolutely
obtuse halo
see the ending slide
kind garden
This is true in the Souls games too
obtuse halo
the player character does not fill that throne ingame
native burrow
Curse upon us all
kind garden
People just Get Bigger in these games
native burrow
And a cursed blessing for us as well
frozen olive
what's really interesting about this is power seems to actually make people bigg...
Rennala is notably really fucking powerful
obtuse halo
which implies that becoming elden lord just actually makes you gianter
golden pond
what's really interesting about this is power seems to actually make people bigg...
i actually really like this concept ebcause it also comes up in destiny partially lmao
frozen olive
even if she seems to have lost her mind to depression a bit
kind garden
If Ranni had a biological body, she’d be WAY bigger
frozen olive
absolutely
native burrow
But now she’s tiny
golden pond
honestly
frozen olive
i mean
native burrow
She sits atop books to make herself look taller
golden pond
that's so tgirl coded
golden pond
throwign your old body out adn getting one you like
frozen olive
significantly bigger than the tarnished
kind garden
Oh my god is Ranni sitting on books to try to affect her previous regal stature
What a goof
frozen olive
CW: corpse
but like, you can clearly see that her previous body also was just
a lot bigger
frozen olive
about yeah
kind garden
And yeah Ranni (ver. well-done) is quite tall
native burrow
kind garden
To be fair she kinda had beef with all those people except her mum…
And you didn’t kill her mom, you just copied her drip
frozen olive
why did they write out Mohgs robe as "cousin"
golden pond
probably weren't sure
frozen olive
fair i suppose
kind garden
Like, Ranni doesn’t give a fuck, she’s thrilled for you to assassinate most of her relatives
native burrow
frozen olive
hehe
frail sky
that's so tgirl coded
native burrow
I always do wonder if Ranni just floats to her stack of books on the chair
obtuse halo
Like, Ranni doesn’t give a fuck, she’s thrilled for you to assassinate most of h...
yeaaaah she kinda had Godwyn killed herself, even
native burrow
Or if she scrambles on top of it when nobody’s looking
The possibly non canon comedy Elden ring manga implies the latter I think
Since whenever she “teleports” she’s actually just casting some misty spell and then jumping into a nearby bush
frozen olive
lol
grave plinth
I do wonder why Godwyn was singled out for assassination, and by who
Ranni doesn’t control the Black Knife Assassins, she just provided them with Destined Death
obtuse halo
If it wasn't on Ranni's orders, it may well have been Marika's.
grave plinth
Perhaps, but still, why Godwyn
obtuse halo
Who is no less directly responsible for - and may even have directly planned - the Shattering.
native burrow
Maybe Godwyn was just easy
obtuse halo
And a symbol. He was universally beloved.
frozen olive
he was also the golden child and presumably the sucessor of the Golden Order
obtuse halo
he was a peacemaker among the gods
grave plinth
Maybe Godwyn was just easy
Perhaps, but everything we know about him indicates that he was a dragon cult dexgod
frozen olive
everyone loves Godwyn, he's super powerful, and he's poised to inherit the throne
frail sky
Marika just going “okay Godwyn is both charismatic and actually a good person, he might stop the all out war if he lives”
frozen olive
true
killing him causes many problems for reasons such as him being the peacemaker, being really strong and being poised for the throne
using him for the Black Knife plot solves a lot of the problems he might cause in one fell swoop
golden pond
man 
golden pond
wtf do i do if i wana use cool swaggy int weapons
when like 80% of them scale ebtter with dex or str 
frozen olive
this whole fucking dlc is str dex it kills my soul
golden pond
star-lined sword my beloved disappointment
kind garden
You go INT/Phys and pick one
grave plinth
I do wonder if, early in the DLCs development ||Godwyn was supposed to be the Promised Consort instead of Radahn but they figured Radahn would work better||
kind garden
||I bet they asked 10 Elden Ring players who Godwyn is and got 9 “huh?”s||
golden pond
mfw thsi pos does NOT get evne a C INT SCALING at +10
glossy delta
I do wonder if, early in the DLCs development ||Godwyn was supposed to be the Pr...
I've got my fuckin conspiracy pin board set up saying this shit I swear to god 
golden pond
but +3 gives it B dex
frozen olive
I do wonder if, early in the DLCs development ||Godwyn was supposed to be the Pr...
||could be a thing, Godwyn is a bit busy being permakilled unfortunately ||
glossy delta
||I bet they asked 10 Elden Ring players who Godwyn is and got 9 “huh?”s||
||hes in the intro crawl and heavily associated with one of the endings, half the dungeons, and several bosses birewoinbreio;goireguiaawei;rjf;3ipncuceWRVbo;||
That wasn't a cat it was a keysmash for emphasis thank you 😤
grave plinth
||could be a thing, Godwyn is a bit busy being permakilled unfortunately ||
||i mean like, i wonder if irl in the early drafts Godwyn was intended to be the Promised Consort||
||then they realized Godwyn might work better for a sequel or second DLC and switched to Radahn||
frozen olive
||i mean like, i wonder if irl in the early drafts Godwyn was intended to be the...
||He probably was to be honest, it seems really fitting aside from the fact that in the final cut of the base game he dies by way of Destined Death which is pretty decisive||
grave plinth
His body lives but his soul is dead
grave plinth
Which is a metal way to say it now that i think about it
native burrow
Honestly the least useful part of the body
frozen olive
The thing is
grave plinth
His soul seems to be like, in some sort of afterlife?
glossy delta
I still don't buy his soul being dead meaning you can't revive him
Ressurection is yknow
Makin somethin thats dead alive again
frozen olive
||The thing Miquella was doing nedded a soul, and Godwyns is NOT available||
grave plinth
Like there’s some sort of presence in the Deathroot that the undead and Fia are worshipping
frail sky
What would putting a soul in Godwyn’s body do at this point?
frozen olive
||Godwyn was never a viable option for Miquellas consort because Ranni consigned his soul to oblivion||
golden pond
What would putting a soul in Godwyn’s body *do* at this point?
let out a little fart probably
welp, we tried
frozen olive
I still don't buy his soul being dead meaning you can't revive him
Ressurection ...
The point of removing destined death
Was allowing souls to linger
So they could be recycled and reconstituted
native burrow
Very eco friendly process
frozen olive
That's whats up with the erdtree burials and Grace making you immortal
Your soul doesn't fully die
But Destined Death kills you properly
grave plinth
We know that there’s some sort of afterlife separate from the Erdtree’s roots that has since been forgotten
grave plinth
Seems to be somewhat nautical
frozen olive
No coming back
Which is what happened to Godwyn
His soul is just gone
Went to the true afterlife, got obliterated, whatever the case it's no longer available
tropic stream
star-lined sword my beloved disappointment
I'm actually a nutjob and love that star-lined scales better with dex cuz it pushes me to go for a lower int spellsword that needs to hit bosses with weapons as opposed to dropping nukes on them
grave plinth
Godwyn’s soul might be there but there seems to be like, lingering will/grudge in his corpse manifesting as the Deathroot
frozen olive
Godwyns soul is out of reach forever
golden pond
I'm actually a nutjob and love that star-lined scales better with dex cuz it pus...
i just want to not have to have 60 dex to get somethign out of a weapon taht does fucking magic damge
also why is it a katana
taht shit a straight swrod
there's straight swords that look more katana than it
glossy delta
Those who live in death are bumming around just fine though and Godwyn is the root of that
And Fia says that by creating the mending rune of death she's returning Godwyn to life in another form
A lot of this is hearsay tbh
We don't know what exactly destined death does do
tropic stream
I genuinely think that
grave plinth
We know that Those Who Live In Death see Godwyn as something akin to themselves, and they don’t seem to be mindless
glossy delta
When Maliketh kills you with his DOT your save isn't deleted
golden pond
When Maliketh kills you with his DOT your save isn't deleted
gameplay
glossy delta
True, thats very fair, my bad!
frozen olive
If Maliketh deleted your save that would suck absolute shit
golden pond
same reason you don't get your characters deleted and the game doesn't end when you fail a raid in destiny lmao
tropic stream
dlc spoilers ||Why has nobody brought up the possibility that the original plan for Miquella's plan was for Godwyn's body and Radahn's soul to become the consort||
glossy delta
But
I stand by the fact that its pretty vague
tropic stream
||Like why is nobody bringing up the possibility that, in the writer's room for the base game, that Mohg was the replacement for Godwyn in Miquella's plan||
frozen olive
dlc spoilers ||Why has nobody brought up the possibility that the original plan ...
||His body probably started to fester pretty quick i imagine||
grave plinth
||Like why is nobody bringing up the possibility that, in the writer's room for ...
||That’s what my theory was||
tropic stream
||He was killed by Destined Death, this is true||
frozen olive
Also ||The Ranni plot beat just feels too strong, and no way Miq was related to that enough to know his body might be up for grabs||
golden pond
WAIT HUH
frozen olive
?
golden pond
||YOU CAN GET FLORISAX AS A SUMMON???||
frozen olive
Yes
golden pond
||DRAGON LADY MY BELOVED WIFE||
frozen olive
||If you drug her and force her to lose her connection to her Lord, Placidusax||
golden pond
||not like she feels anything when he's dead||
frozen olive
||Basically ruin her life and offer her an alternative||
golden pond
||it's ok, i can fix her||
native burrow
I can make her worse
obtuse halo
||If you drug her and force her to lose her connection to her Lord, Placidusax||
yyyyeah, not in love with that particular beat
more than a bit yikes
what's weird is ||placidusax being dead doesn't affect it||
glossy delta
To be fair
||She comes to you with the offer to serve you and seems more or less fine with the situation after some time to think on it||
||I tucked it into 'elden ring is a weird land of fables and medieval sentiment, this is okay by their standards I guess'||
golden pond
To be fair
||She comes to *you* with the offer to serve you and seems more or le...
||she victim blames herself lmao||
||"How dare you inflict such cruelty on me!?" and hten goes "no wait, my fault for drinkign the sleepy juice"||
frozen olive
what's weird is ||placidusax being dead doesn't affect it||
||Placidusax exists beyond time||
||You killing him could have absolutely no effect at all honestly||
golden pond
||lowkey wish it did ngl, so i don't have to drug her to get a cool dragon wife||
glossy delta
||She does phrase letting her serve you as her lord as 'recompense' for your trick||
||And in the spirit ash she's described as having gained a human heart||
||So ??????????? Its A Weird Land Of Fables||
frozen olive
||She does phrase letting her serve you as her lord as 'recompense' for your tri...
||Cause she no longer has a lord to serve after said trick||
modest trellis
||Idk she kinda seems in denial about the whole thing. Like you gave her an out and she took it. Are you to blame for that||
obtuse halo
Okay but picture a quest ending where ||she demands your heart as recompense and eats it in front of you, since you've engaged in dragon communion to get this far. So now you're powered by dragon hearts alone and you have a permanent bond.||
modest trellis
||Wait do you not tell her it's a sleep potion?!?!||
golden pond
||you are indeed to blame for drugging her in the first place||
frozen olive
||Idk she kinda seems in denial about the whole thing. Like you gave her an out ...
||Well, yes, cause you ruin her connection to her lord?||
golden pond
||Wait do you not tell her it's a sleep potion?!?!||
||you confess after you kill bayle and stuff||
glossy delta
||Wait do you not tell her it's a sleep potion?!?!||
||IIRC she is just kind of doing her nightly meditation/placidusax long distance call and you hold the sleepy stuff up to her nose||
modest trellis
||oh I just assumed she knew, yeah you're totally at fault wth tarnished||
frozen olive
||Also no i don't think you tell her||
golden pond
||she doesn't know until end of the questline where she tells you "aight, you drugged me, fuck you, but fuck me cause i guess i fell for it, anyways i will serve you now"||
glossy delta
But anyway- ||I realized a little bit ago that Florrisax as a summon actually has voice lines when she casts her spells but I cannot understand what shes saying cuz its too faint 😭||
golden pond
||By all means, i think killing Placidusax and Bayle should absolutley let you get her as a summon without the need to slip soemthign into her night sippy||
||also let me get Igon as an ash, i want him to hype me up every time||
frozen olive
||By all means, i think killing Placidusax and Bayle should absolutley let you g...
||i think that would be fair||
modest trellis
||otherwise she just disappears so who knows where she goes||
golden pond
||otherwise she just disappears so who knows where she goes||
||you get her heart, so||
frozen olive
||though i think it's equally fair that from her time perspective Placidusax is still alive since he's the lord of time fuckery||
glossy delta
||otherwise she just disappears so who knows where she goes||
I assume she goes to uh
||Heaven||
||Assuming she leaves her heart on the ground for you||
frozen olive
||you get her heart, so||
||yeah but you also get Ancient Dragon-Man's heart and he didn't die from not having it||
modest trellis
I assume she goes to uh
||Heaven||
||Assuming she leaves her heart on the ground...
||idk horror movie rules, there's no body||
golden pond
||idk horror movie rules, there's no body||
||All the bosses are alive then cause no bodies||
frozen olive
||The Rock heart you can get turns you into a perfect copy of him just as Florissax's ancient dragon heart turns you into a perfect copy of her, so presumably they can survive without the need for these hearts||
frozen olive
||also it's really neat to see that the Ancient Dragon-Man is like, the perfected form of Dragon Communion that the Magma Wyrm guys failed to become||
golden pond
||also it's really neat to see that the Ancient Dragon-Man is like, the perfecte...
||I love htat dragon forms get more and more pathetic as time goes on in fromsoft games||
fleet bronze
I only wish that ||the ancient dragon form was slightly better||
modest trellis
||Yeah wish it was more DS2 not DS3, though||
glossy delta
I mean
||She's present in the ending where you do drug her, so||
||I assume when she holds true to the ancient dragon servant-of-placidusax side of herself she decides once she's finished with her job sending dudes at Bayle she doesn't want to live as a feeble mortal anymore||
||Whereas in the route where you break her connection to Placidusax she becomes more human and decides to live||
Thats the main crux of the quest I think
||Does Florissax remain more dragon than human, or do you break her vow and make her more human than dragon||
fleet bronze
||I love htat dragon forms get more and more pathetic as time goes on in fromsof...
||it's much better than DS3s at least||
frozen olive
DS3's dragon form is so fucking funny
frozen olive
https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-dark-souls3-ds-ds3-thepruld-gif-17502204
and the vid this is from is PEAK
golden pond
I mean
||She's present in the ending where you do drug her, so||
||I assume when...
||I'm just gonna pretend that drugging her is the good outcome because she doesn't fuck with dragons anymore cause they're evil creatures c:||
frozen olive
one of the classics
fleet bronze
It at least gets some defensive stats and damage mitigation for needing to be naked. I've always been surprised the dragon forms don't get a strength buff or something though
golden pond
It at least gets some defensive stats and damage mitigation for needing to be na...
noodle arms
fleet bronze
Extreme noodle arms
golden pond
frozen olive
||I'm just gonna pretend that drugging her is the good outcome because she doesn...
||Dragons being evil is literally Bayle propaganda lmao||
golden pond
peak comedy
fleet bronze
Though all the dragons in Elden Ring are also pretty skinny too, besides Bayle
golden pond
||Dragons being evil is literally Bayle propaganda lmao||
||I will headcanon whatever hte fuck i wnat ||
obtuse halo
Also while the ||dragon forms|| get more press, you can also get a transformation from ||The Lamenter's Mask||. AFAIK it just raises your arcane by 8 though
grave plinth
||I love htat dragon forms get more and more pathetic as time goes on in fromsof...
That’s a Glorantha influence
frozen olive
||Unironically Bayle is Dragon satan and all the negative shit about them is his fault, hell the Ancient Dragons were friends with Godwyn and technically under the Golden Order for a bit||
fleet bronze
I am fascinated by how bears are apparently becoming the new dragons/becoming dragons
mellow silo
We need Bear Bayle
fleet bronze
Like the regular rune bears have dragon eyes and now the red bears even have horns and communion powers
glossy delta
God
The ||Lamenters|| are SO fuckin weird
||Lets all go nuts and cry, crying is the best, we're so happy bawling our eyes out||
golden pond
God
The ||Lamenters|| are SO fuckin weird
||Lets all go nuts and cry, crying is ...
it is
crying is cathartic
like actually lmao
nothign better than getting a good cry out and hten having all the motivation to clean up your room
grave plinth
They remind me of ||Mohg||
mellow silo
And of course the transformation is the goofiest shit in Elden Ring
frozen olive
||big head mode||
jaunty jungle
Goldmask ftw
trail sail
||Unironically Bayle is Dragon satan and all the negative shit about them is his...
||He's the best boss fight in the DLC so I'm absolving him of all wrongdoing||
grave plinth
||CURSE YOU BAYLE!!!||
frozen olive
||He's the best boss fight in the DLC so I'm absolving him of all wrongdoing||
||Love that guy but also Igon is my fucking homie fr and i can't be forgiving Bayle like that||
frozen olive
||WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS! WITH EVERY DROP OF MY BEING!||
frail sky
||BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR! AND I, IGON!||
||God I love this part of his speech||
opaque canopy
I gotta finish that fight when I'm more able to. Because gods, that line goes the hardestof almost any in the entire catalogue of From's games.
mellow silo
||BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE||
tropic stream
But anyway- ||I realized a little bit ago that Florrisax as a summon actually ha...
Wait
mellow silo
||WITH A HAIL OF HARPOOOOONS!||
tropic stream
||dragon priestess is a summon?||
mellow silo
||WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING!!!!!||
frozen olive
||Igon is not only the GOAT but also Elden Rings greatest hypeman since fucking GODFREY HIMSELF||
mellow silo
Alright I'm done Igon posting for now lmao
frail sky
||God I love this part of his speech||
||Just him going "BEHOLD THIS ABSOLUTE BADASS! And I'm also here!||
obtuse halo
||dragon priestess is a summon?||
Yeah but only if you ||roofie|| her so 😬
it's not my favorite quest resolution
golden pond
||dragon priestess is a summon?||
||you need to do thiollier quest to get drugs then drug her at night, then come.baxk after bayle is dead||
tropic stream
Yeah but only if you ||roofie|| her so 😬
bruh fucking cringe
Lemme consensually power couple fromsoft
obtuse halo
Latenna ❤️
reminder that Latenna fully voluntarily becomes a spirit ash to ally with you indefinitely
I use her extensively on my archer playthrough
archery gfs...
frozen olive
i saw someone beat the final boss with only Latenna
mellow silo
They got her away from AOE spam? Impressive
frozen olive
yeah
frail sky
How did they manage to keep aggro?
obtuse halo
Probably the same way I keep latenna alive
frozen olive
the spiky armor
golden pond
Amulet probably
obtuse halo
Shabriri's Woe
frozen olive
it does like 1 damage if you roll into the boss
obtuse halo
Shabriri's Woe is something of a meme amulet but it's actually pretty good if you're using a support summon you want to keep alive
languid tiger
shabriri's woe is for jolly co-operation
i put it on when i'm helping people with bosses
obtuse halo
as opposed to the more typical gameplan of using a summon to tank for you
yeah that's fair
mellow silo
I unironically use Shabriris Woe for my Cooping
obtuse halo
it's decent even outside of coop if you're protecting a spirit summon though
mellow silo
No idea about Daedicars though, that seems actually useless
obtuse halo
yeah that one's just purely for a challenge run
frozen olive
daedicars is a waste of a slot
even for challenge runs i fail to see a use for it
since you either already don't spec into health or are doing a no hit type run in which case it doesn't matter
tropic stream
I got Flock's Canvas 😌
All it took was murdering an innocent cuz I'm planning on doing all these builds on NG+
fleet bronze
Daedicar's is mostly just a tradition, I think all the souls games (besides BB) have had an optional bonus damage thing just for the sport of it
tropic stream
unless you killed millicent in which case _how dare you_
mmm tasty tasty dex and bonus damage
opaque canopy
How dare I indeed
tropic stream
XD
obtuse halo
my friend made this in response to my reaction to him doing this
font isn't quite right but it's close enough at a glance
obtuse halo
since you either already don't spec into health or are doing a no hit type run i...
this is the same picture 😛
tropic stream
btw is a talisman setup for a faith build of +2 Pearldrake, +2 Dragoncrest, Bull-Goat, and Flock's Canvas good or are the pearldrake and dragoncrests wasted slots?
obtuse halo
Dragoncrest Shield is nutso good for any character
Pearldrake is good for walking around but the specific ones are better if you know what damage types you're up against
like, for elden beast just use the haligdrake talisman
tropic stream
I think I'll keep dragoncrest but try to figure out another talisman for the third slot that's more build relevant
maybe godfrey icon or something
tropic stream
It's a p bog-standard faith build all told
Honestly I might Radagon icon
don't rly need help on the damage front
obtuse halo
that's fine too if your dex isn't great
tropic stream
my dex is the absolute minimum for my weapon XD
obtuse halo
fair enough!
grave plinth
unless you killed millicent in which case _how dare you_
Don’t worry, she’ll soon be reborn as a magnificent valkyrie!
obtuse halo
😭
native burrow
||https://youtu.be/VOyP6BAPbrM?si=FQwI6d5Uof9bRQi3|| shadow of erd tree boss spoiler
Is ||Igon|| just Ahav reference
trail sail
||Ahab if he was actually cool||
obtuse halo
the craftable item
||```Harpoon bristling with sharp gravel stones.
Craftable item.
Throw at enemies to inflict heavy damage.
Has an anti-dragon effect.
A tool of the old Dragon Communion warriors, who were the
agents of the ancient dragons' hatred for their lowborn
descendants.```||
you can also buy a Greatarrow Variant post-quest
glossy delta
I'm still not ever gonna use craftable items but I do like that one of the new ones is just ||a jar filled with rocks||
||big 'sock full of pennies' vibes||
obtuse halo
consumables are a bit hit and miss but I like including them in my playstyle
I threw ||Perfumed Oil of Ranah|| into my Archer's playbook and it's actually a nice mixup for access to fire damage and a little bit of aoe
tropic stream
Strength build soldier-knight fit
obtuse halo
Impressive. You've done something I thought impossible: Making the Veteran's Helm look good
😛
What gloves are those? Vulgar Militia, maybe? I know they aren't scaled
frail sky
Is ||Igon|| just Ahav reference
Shadow of the Erdtree makes players ask important questions, such as "what if revenge was fucking awesome"
tropic stream
What gloves are those? Vulgar Militia, maybe? I know they aren't scaled
Rellana's gloves
obtuse halo
aha!
Here's what I've been running around with
still not sure if I like it more than the previous fit
but at least the green and beige match
obtuse halo
the cloak over arm thing
yeah I really like that, I just haven't found a leg piece that goes really well with the red
I originally came up with the altered gravekeeper cloak + nox legs fit and ended up getting derailed looking for a good headpiece and gloves to go with it
ended up liking the hood and the gravekeeper cloak conveniently comes in red, but no such luck for the nox legs
The traveler's manchettes I really like here though
they pass well for archery bracers and it's really cool that they protect the hands but are fingerless for dexterity
also lol ||Rellana's|| armor is still boobplate on the masc player model apparently
incredible
tropic stream
Okay so the remembrance bosses before the final boss in the dlc are ||Dancing Lion, Rellana, Scadutree Avatar, Gaius, Metyr, Midra, Messmer, Romina, and Putrescent Knight right?||
jaunty jungle
Okay so the remembrance bosses before the final boss in the dlc are ||Dancing Li...
Seems like all of ‘em.
umbral portal
Looks like it yeah
tropic stream
Okay cool I've killed all the bosses I want to before the final
grave plinth
Is ||Igon|| just Ahav reference
||ONCE AGAIN ISHMAEL THE FAULT LIES WITH YOU!||
frail sky
…I just realized that we still don’t have a faith/arcane weapon
frail sky
I don’t think so?
obtuse halo
On my int/arc character I used an occult-infused Clayman's Harpoon
frail sky
I guess those hybrid builds are just stuck with spells then- oh right the clayman harpoon exists
glossy delta
Yeah it's solely arcane and phys outside the Weird Infusables
languid tiger
I guess those hybrid builds are just stuck with spells then- oh right the clayma...
in that case there's the infusable faith weapons too
the fire knight gear and erdsteel
and the black knight weapons
frail sky
Admittedly at 18/50 faith/arcane my dragon communion seal out scales a claw mark seal at 55/52 so that build could probably just go pure arcane and use the ripple weapons
glossy delta
Or occult infused stuff
Or most natively arcane weapons
Largely if you go arc you can dump most other offensive stats outside the min req for what you want to use
obtuse halo
I should really sort my screenshots folder, it took too long to find these
a couple shots of my int-arc character
aiming for a kind of druidy-mage getup
I really like the combination of the fell omen robe and ancestral shaman horns
the high collar makes it look a lot less top-heavy
and the blue glow matches the blue glow on the clayman's harpoon too
frail sky
Admittedly at 18/50 faith/arcane my dragon communion seal out scales a claw mark...
…okay apparently at 15/80 (15 being the faith requirement for the basic dragon breath incantations) it gets 314 scaling, this seal is just cracked
23/80 gets you 336 and the ability to use the named dragon breaths and 28/80 gets you 350 and greyoll’s roar
glossy delta
Yeah literally just do min faith reqs
obtuse halo
yeah dragon communion seal is nuts
obtuse halo
on my madness build I did the math and at least up to the arcane softcap, raising arcane with that seal does better numbers than putting those same points in faith with virtually any other seal
golden pond
Just reminds me of sasuke and all the naruto fits
With the high collar covering half the face
obtuse halo
oh yeah fair lol
trail sail
Pretty sure they nerfed the dragon communion seal but it still goes that hard
tropic stream
trail sail
They actually *buffed* it apparently
lolll
frail sky
Also doing a str/fai build has made me learn how good spells/incantations are even with sub 300 spell scaling
obtuse halo
fun fact, many buffs don't even check spell scaling
they don't even check if you have the required stats for your seal as opposed to your spells
obtuse halo
if you have 7 int and just want to cast golden vow, you can use Golden Order seal for a 0 weight seal with no downsides
frail sky
Yeh
dusty kraken
I do kinda wish there were some Dex-based seals. I know the E rank str scaling on most seals doesn't matter but still 😛
median rock
if you have 7 int and just want to cast golden vow, you can use Golden Order sea...
the real gamer play is to offhand golden order/dragon communion/frenzyflame seal to determine if you're actually successfully two-handing fist weapons
since otherwise it's pretty easy to lose track of if you're hitting with both hands until you actually attack with it
signal harness
Oh yeah Dragon Communion Seal is crazy good
kind garden
I do kinda wish there were some Dex-based seals. I know the E rank str scaling o...
Frenzyflame
frail sky
Unrelated: finally bothered to farm the fire knight’s greatsword and holy shit, why did nobody tell me this thing was a colossal sword with the godslayer’s r1s and the zweihander’s r2s!? This thing seems awesome
obtuse halo
Frenzyflame
I mean... technically
there are not many stat setups where Frenzyflame is your actual best option 😛
kind garden
Unrelated: finally bothered to farm the fire knight’s greatsword and holy shit, ...
?!?!
Damn!
frail sky
Even on a dex/faith build I think the godslayer’s seal is better
median rock
there are not many stat setups where Frenzyflame is your actual best option 😛
i use it for casting generic buffs because it looks really cool
kind garden
It’s called trash can not trash cannot
obtuse halo
Even on a dex/faith build I think the godslayer’s seal is better
there are some extremely high dex/relatively low faith setups where frenzyflame technically outpaces it
but yeah
median rock
though i think it's literally worse than dragon communion due to arcane scaling for casting howl of shabiri?
(for madness buildup)
obtuse halo
and yeah actual madness builds want to invest in arcane and use Dragon Communion instead
kind garden
Are you self-Madnessing for a hyper mode build or what
obtuse halo
that's what I do on my madness build, with frenzyflame in the offhand
median rock
black dumpling + the new talisman that does the same thing
kind garden
I’m a little lost
Does Madness inflicted by your spells scale with the Arcane rating on Dragon Communion
median rock
there's 2 items in the game that give you +15% damage buff after proccing madness
it does! but also on yourself
kind garden
INTERESTING
obtuse halo
this is without even doing any self-madness stuff and on-level for radahn (70ish)
kind garden
VERY INTERESTING
median rock
arcane increases all of poison/rot/bleed/madness scaling (not cold iirc) IF the weapon has arcane scaling
kind garden
Wait hold up…
median rock
oh and sleep
it has no effetc if the weapon doesn't actually scale with arcane though, it has to have scaling (ash of war or natty)
kind garden
Someone needs to test the Albinauric Staff + Impenetrable Thorns combo
obtuse halo
It works
kind garden
Oh okay that’s fucked up then
obtuse halo
Well. It works with Briars of Sin and the previous thorn spells
I didn't check inpenetrable thorns specifically
median rock
on my frenzyflame build i just 2 fist frenzyflame seals but i use dragon communion to hit madness asap because high level focus is high enough its annoying otherwise
obtuse halo
but it's of the same spell type so there's no reason it wouldn't
kind garden
I’m gonna respec my arcane build into a full ARCaster
vivid spire
I do kinda wish there were some Dex-based seals. I know the E rank str scaling o...
Gravel Stone kinda
obtuse halo
I have an arc-int build that's a joy to use, though I was more focused on bubblemagery
frail sky
So apparently the dlc gives you a lot of normal smithing stones and I just haven't used any of them
median rock
^ u are missing out on the martial arts (both of them!)
frail sky
Ignore the weird spell line up I was fighting Bayle
median rock
theyre really swag
opaque canopy
Yeah, I've found shitloads of smithing stones in this DLC. they seem to drop everywhere.
opaque canopy
decent amount of sombers, too
obtuse halo
lol
median rock
at least there's new arc/int spells? but not bubbles 😔
obtuse halo
Great Oracular Bubble kicks ass
obtuse halo
at least there's new arc/int spells? but not bubbles 😔
Wait, are there?
kind garden
What ARC-INT spells?
obtuse halo
I saw a decent number of int/faith spells
median rock
aren't the ||finger|| ones arcane? i know the weapons are
kind garden
Nah
median rock
weird
kind garden
They’re just INT
obtuse halo
no they're just int i think
median rock
the catalyst definitely is
kind garden
The catalyst is, and it’s funny as hell because finger sorcery is kinda juiced
Kinda swole
median rock
i still have not figured out how to aim the many nails spell
like what distance do i gotta be for them to land lol
but i haven't actually given them much of a go yet so
vivid spire
Yeah, I've found shitloads of smithing stones in this DLC. they seem to drop *ev...
Smithloads, if you will
kind garden
Many Nails you just lock the target and rip it
obtuse halo
meanwhile, you can also get a spell that gives you thorn damage on roll lmao
kind garden
Mantle of Thorns kinda sucks though no?
obtuse halo
which is terrible, but if you stack it with the briar armor...
It's still terrible but slightly less so
obtuse halo
I kind of figured they'd both be body buffs or something
obtuse halo
fun secret: electrocharge actually has a pretty significant AoE damage burst on cast that is mentioned nowhere in the description
kind garden
So does FDS!
median rock
oh what the damage is multiplicative with briar armor according to fextra comments
re mantle of thorns
kind garden
AYO?!
median rock
independently they're 20 each but they go up to ~150-250 when stacked according to various ocmments
obtuse halo
Honestly I suspect that comment is mistaken
what I think is much more likely is they're addtively stacked together
so more of it gets past phys defense
median rock
there's no way the briar armor is more than like 50
maybe with scad blessings it gets weird though
opaque canopy
Smithloads, if you will
queen marika the eternal smite this fool for that pun
obtuse halo
Someone needs to test the Albinauric Staff + Impenetrable Thorns combo
oh btw Inpenetrable Thorns is also buffed by Alberich's Set
oops sorry for ping
kind garden
That I know
kind garden
Yeah the final boss gets kinda bodyslammed by that spell in particular
opaque canopy
weird question. impenetrable thorns, I was gonna use it on ||Metyr||. for some reason though it won't let me. I've easily got the faith and FP for it, but it's greyed out.
kind garden
Q: does the bleed from Bloodflame Blade scale with Arcane if you cast it via Dragon Communion Seal
kind garden
weird question. impenetrable thorns, I was gonna use it on ||Metyr||. for some r...
It’s a sorcery not an incantation
kind garden
Gotcha boss lady
opaque canopy
brain fully forgot because I haven't tried to use sorceries in an eternity
kind garden
Switch to the Staff of the Guilty
opaque canopy
and I saw faith on it and my brain just fully switched off and didn't think to check if it was sorc
but cool will go seek that out
obtuse halo
Yeah I just cast it from Prince of Death Staff
because I felt zero guilt trying to abuse that on the final boss
opaque canopy
I mean the boss in question is annoying me enough I feel like getting cheap in return with them. so may do the same on the final boss too if it comes to it lmao.
kind garden
But Midir was also optional
junior spade
oh btw Inpenetrable Thorns is _also_ buffed by Alberich's Set
Alberich's Drip
kind garden
Actually that’s my complaint about this DLC in a nutshell
trail sail
At least we have Let Me Tank Him to save us this time around
kind garden
From, why pitch us the hardest boss as a story boss and not an optional super boss that forces us to try every dirty trick in the book
opaque canopy
is Let Me Tank Him just a new iteration of LMSH
kind garden
I was expecting a furiously hard, ball-breaking ass whooping superboss in a hidden area
trail sail
Don't think it's the same guy but similar idea yeah, there was a video posted earlier today
obtuse halo
Honestly I was hyped and afraid of ||Midra|| when I found him and then first try'd his ass
oops
kind garden
Like a real hard-hitting pipe swinging motherfucker of a boss
kind garden
Honestly I was hyped and afraid of ||Midra|| when I found him and then first try...
YEAH I WAS EXPECTING SOMETHING CRAZY
trail sail
LMSH is still plugging away last I heard
obtuse halo
that was a fight that felt like it should have been way tougher than it was!
kind garden
I mean. It was cool!
opaque canopy
I think the ||Nope Woods|| is the last place I have to explore before I try ||Messmer|| again and go for the final area
kind garden
But like, where’s the full tilt super mega bastard
obtuse halo
admittedly ||Midra|| would be pretty crazy hard by basegame standards, but I'd already beaten most of what the DLC had to offer by that point
trail sail
LMSH is still plugging away last I heard
Nvm beaten 3 days ago 
obtuse halo
But like, where’s the full tilt super mega bastard
Final dungeon, keep up 😛
kind garden
I was promised a Souls DLC, where’s my Souls DLC optional superboss??
real shadow
You got one, it was the asshole riding a giant boar.
real shadow
He's optional, a boss, and super annoying.
kind garden
Kalameet
real shadow
Ghesuntite.
kind garden
Or Midir, or I guess technically Sinh but the real Super Ultra S.O.B. in DS2’s DLC is probably Sir Alonne
Or Lud and Zallen if you’re into that kind of thing
atomic marsh
THE SUPERBOSS IS NO LONGER OPTIONAL
Suffering is now required
Also I first tried Gaius even though he jump-scared me
kind garden
I Mean I Guess but the boss isn’t that super
atomic marsh
I had no idea a boss fight was gonna be there
opaque canopy
what going back to mountaintops to farm for the staff of the guilty feels like:
just straight up bullying.
frail sky
Rauh Ancient Ruins boss: ||okay garishly pink scorpion centipede lady, not what I was expecting ngl||
||Also I need to get new fashion that fits with this weapon and helmet||
obtuse halo
why do you need staff of the guilty?
opaque canopy
Switch to the Staff of the Guilty
luna suggested it. wanna try it to enhance impenetrable thorns.
kind garden
To cast a FAI sorcery presumably
opaque canopy
and, well, cast it period
obtuse halo
ah
languid tiger
From, why pitch us the hardest boss as a story boss and not an optional super bo...
probably because the DLC is optional hard side content
opaque canopy
being able to now out-bonk fire prelates is hysterical
frail sky
Okay just tried out (late game remembrance weapon)||Messmer’s Orb||, this incantation seems kind of… bad
kind garden
Use the tap version not the charged version
vivid spire
Tap is great
frail sky
Okay tap seems to do about as much damage as a fully charged giantsflame, that’s good
vivid spire
Also it lifts you up real fast
frail sky
Though I don’t think it has hyper armor <-<
opaque canopy
aaaaay, got the staff. just had to murder about fifty religious zealots.
frail sky
DLC story spoilers ||really carrying on Marika's work there huh||
modest trellis
Pretty sure they nerfed the dragon communion seal but it still goes that hard
Dragon Communions seal had glitched scaling. Wasn't a nerf it was a fix I think
frail sky
Rauh Ancient Ruins boss: ||okay garishly pink scorpion centipede lady, not what ...
Well that was a fun (and pretty) fight
Flame Spear is absurd
kind garden
sure is!
trail sail
Dragon Communions seal had glitched scaling. Wasn't a nerf it was a fix I think
Ooooh gotcha
opaque canopy
GOT ||METYR||, MIMIC CAME IN CLUTCH AS I DIED
frail sky
Well that was a fun (and pretty) fight
||Okay this incantation probably sucks but it sounds cool||
opaque canopy
Bloodhound+staff of the guilty and impenetrable thorns+pest spears was the winning combo.
kind garden
||Okay this incantation probably sucks but it sounds cool||
eyup...
If it's any consolation, the alternative isn't that great either
dusty kraken
||Okay this incantation probably sucks but it sounds cool||
||Pretty Princess Swirl. Oh, everyone's now blighted and rotting. Whoops~||
frail sky
||...is this the only time in the game your character snaps as part of an attack?||
obtuse halo
||Okay this incantation probably sucks but it sounds cool||
unfortunately it does suck, but it's very pretty
honestly keep an eye on when patch season comes 'round, it's bad in the same ways Scarlet Aeonia used to be and that got buffed to the gills
frail sky
Oh yeah I should probably grab that shouldn't I
trail sail
I'm genuinely not sure how From balances these things a lot of the time
Almost all of the DLC remembrance spells are varying levels of ass
obtuse halo
rolling dice, one assumes
Messmer's Orb (uncharged) is pretty solid, Land of Shadow is very solid
frail sky
Okay after playing around with it for a bit, I can confidently say this is would be my favorite spell in the game if it actually did anything useful
obtuse halo
other than that yeah, yeah
trail sail
Genuinely I sometimes think they don't playtest certain stuff to any rigorous degree
dusty kraken
I am super amused that my current character has stalled out on Vocano Manor because I went in on fire bottles and now need to improve some other weapons.
fleet bronze
I feel like remembrance spells in general are generally pretty bad
obtuse halo
Vortex of Putrescence also isn't too bad imo
dusty kraken
When I found out the snakemen are 100%, completely fire immune. XD
obtuse halo
ahahah nice
languid tiger
are they the only things in ER fully immune to a damage type?
dusty kraken
Magma Dragons are also 100% fire immune!
obtuse halo
there are some things that might as well be but afaik yeah
elden beast resists holy so much it's like...don't bother
real shadow
Genuinely I sometimes think they don't playtest certain stuff to any rigorous de...
It really shows with Rain of Fire which is just...non-functional, honestly.
obtuse halo
Oh Rain of Fire is hot garbage lmao
dusty kraken
Mesmer Fire Snakes is pretty cool
obtuse halo
Fire Serpent wasn't hitting for me until I learned I was supposed to be charging it
frail sky
Rain of Fire is bad Founding Rain of Stars, and that's saying something
(I say as if Founding didn't consistently do like 4k to Messmer)
Speaking of bad incantations, what's the point of ||Roar of Rugalea? Like am I missing anything or is it just bad?||
opaque canopy
Okay so, question. I know I won't use (Ymir quest spoilers) ||Jolan's katana, I'm not on a dex build. Is the summon worth it instead||?
languid tiger
||the summon is very good||
opaque canopy
sick
obtuse halo
Speaking of bad incantations, what's the point of ||Roar of Rugalea? Like am I m...
it's unfortunately not worth much
which is a shame
it even has enhancing gear! which makes it slightly closer to being okay but not there yet
frail sky
I tried it with the enhancing gear, it did like 800 damage to a limgrave troll
This is notably worse than an uncharged cast of ||knight's lightning spear||
obtuse halo
yes
it's just. not
though ||knight's lightning spear|| kicks so much ass oh my god
frail sky
I feel like half the spells in this dlc are actually pretty good and the other half are just awful
obtuse halo
gates of babylon, right here
languid tiger
I feel like half the spells in this dlc are actually pretty good and the other h...
that's a lot of fromsoft magic
trail sail
Yeah some spells go crazy hard
Is the new Crucible incantation good? ||Thorns I think it is||
trail sail
It's good against enemies with big hitboxes but pest threads exist
Speaking of amazing spells in the DLC...
frail sky
I guess thorns is good for that inbetween of "random dude" and "big fuckoff dragon" where pest threads is kinda bad
trail sail
👀
frail sky
Though I'm not sure what bosses lie in that range
languid tiger
yeah, the new version of pest threads is probably the strongest spell in the game
opaque canopy
the spears? cause yeah it was genuinely fucking against ||Metyr||
trail sail
from: do you want new spells?
me: to diversify builds?
from: yesssss
from: makes pest threads upgrade, like a boss
obtuse halo
Though I'm not sure what bosses lie in that range
||the final boss comes to mind||
obtuse halo
I used spears on ||Metyr|| and it was a hilariously short fight
languid tiger
yep, it just does like
obtuse halo
absolute slaughter
opaque canopy
I really didn't get to see it in action against her, but man. Impenetrable thorns plus a solid bleed weapon like Bloodhound just makes her health bar go blip.
frail sky
I don't remember having too much trouble against ||Metyr||, but I was also using lightning and the death knight's longhaft axe
languid tiger
i beat her to death with a pair of magic stone clubs
obtuse halo
yeah I used lightning until I thought "Wait a sec, I have pest threads"
the lightning did good damage but not as good as "lol melt"
tropic stream
I have every scadutree fragment and revered ash save the ones in the final dungeon
dlc quest spoilers ||Can I still kill Bayle with Igon after opening Enir-Ilim?||
languid tiger
think so
vestal night
yeah, the new version of pest threads is probably the strongest spell in the gam...
Where do you actually get that one?
languid tiger
Where do you actually get that one?
||right before the church of the bud||
||in the rot zone||
vestal night
Ah, okay
obtuse halo
dunno if I wanna fight Bayle before I'm at max
I did ||Bayle|| at like 12, it def doesn't require max. The only fight where I felt like max was justified was the final boss
languid tiger
I did bayle at 1.0 SB6
old brook
the final boss should be shot into the sun
left willow
Early(?) DLC Boss:
||I hate Rellana. I get her down to 50% hp fairly easily. Swordsman Josh still has good hp, I've spent maybe 1 healing pot and 1-2 mana pots.... and then she sets her fucking swords on fire and just BODIES me.||
vernal imp
the spears? cause yeah it was genuinely fucking against ||Metyr||
exact same strategy I used yuh
stone cove
Early(?) DLC Boss:
||I hate Rellana. I get her down to 50% hp fairly easily. Swo...
Jump more. I'm not even doing a bit, she's very vulnrable to jumping
Most of her moveset can be jumped over
left willow
ooo, gotcha
stone cove
In general if you're getting stuck in the dlc, try jumping/parrying/just flat out running away
One of the big weak points of the dlc is hat there's a fuck ton of roll catches and similar obnoxious shit that punishes rolling
stone cove
No? It's absoloteuy true for the final boss.
left willow
Jump more. I'm not even doing a bit, she's very vulnrable to jumping
I feel like that's a LOT of the dlc that I've encountered so far
old brook
That ||Meteor|| Run Away plan 1000% depends on angle it catches me sprinting about half the time
And what part of this can be jumped
kind garden
the final boss you mostly just get your shield out for
stone cove
I cannot rember which bits of the final boss can bej umped, but i think some can
Hades, absolotuey do not click on this AT ALL, it is massive spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX6In6V7yn0||
left willow
My desire to click that is SO high, but I won't T^T
stone cove
It would wreck the final boss surpsie for you, so please dont
old brook
I know you're trying to be helpful but so far this is a video of perfectly timed dodges
stone cove
there is runnign away in there too. including the attack you said coudltn be run.
stone cove
1:53?
old brook
I mean the ||giant boulder|| attack not the ||light speed meteor||
that is a dodge roll
what are you seeing
stone cove
The attack literally dstops existing even before he rolls, he rolls just for saftey.
stone cove
Okay, this feels like you're splitting hairs here
old brook
right back atcha
stone cove
and i'm really not interested in arguing this to this degree
Anyway, on jumping attacks @left willow Basically the way jumps work is the entire lower part of your character's hitbox is iimmune to damage while you jump
left willow
gotcha. Interesting. I'll have to try that tomorrow
Is there a summon you would recommend over ||Yosh|| or is he a good bet?
stone cove
The other thing i can think is i'll get you to stream her for me, and ic an give some advice based on what i see you're doing
Dung Eater is The Tank, whcih you probably benefit from?
left willow
Ah dangit. I maybe forgot to grab DE before ||going on with Ranni's questline, so that's off the table, I think||
At least for now
stone cove
This video is annoyingly hyperbolled titled
But has a good breakdown of how jumping etc works
and Zullie has a video where you can actually see the hit boxes active and how they work
TLDR: Rolling gives iframes for your entire body, but only for a speicfic peroid of time.
left willow
I could also use assistance to beat down a furnace golem at some point
They're just crazy resistance to magic
trail sail
I could also use assistance to beat down a furnace golem at some point
Do you have Pest Threads?
left willow
... no, should I seek those out?
proper vortex
The best worst idea i've ever had : "i'm level 200 ish, that might be enough to be level 99 in a stat (say intelligence)"
dusty kraken
... no, should I seek those out?
Pest Threads are a main game spell and they're very powerful against single targets.
stone cove
Pest threads are incanation, and hades is a Sorcerer, not a faith caster
left willow
Gotcha
proper vortex
I'll probably get vigor checked by the first soldier i'll found
languid tiger
Hades, absolotuey do not click on this AT ALL, it is massive spoilers ||https://...
TWENTY-SEVEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY?
JESUS CHRIST
left willow
I got the faith to cast it rn
old brook
That too, would be handy if I did almost 3k every interaction
stone cove
The main thing is that Pest Threads have a lingering hitbox
trail sail
Pest threads are incanation, and hades is a Sorcerer, not a faith caster
It's worth investing the Faith to cast it even if its just for Furnace Giants
stone cove
sop against anything big they punch into the target... and keep hitting.
old brook
I love that even a perfect run the second phase is 3x as long
'Stop, just stop- just stop it, just a second, stop-'
dusty kraken
If you've got the Golden Order Seal and 17 faith you'll be great.
proper vortex
The main thing is that Pest Threads have a lingering hitbox
Doesn't comet has the same thing ?
dusty kraken
It's enough to pest threads + solid scaling
left willow
If you've got the Golden Order Seal and 17 faith you'll be great.
I've got 12 F, but I can grab the 5, I think
stone cove
That too, would be handy if I did almost 3k every interaction
I mean, that's just optimizing your build? thrust pokes do a lot of damage, always have. You can see the guy's talismans at the end, he's got Ritual Sword, more damage after roll attacks, two-hander talisman, and radagons to give him 80 str/20 dex, and i assume his greatsword is heavy... so yeah, lotsa damage
dusty kraken
Also: man, I kinda wish there was a demihuman queen seal like there is a staff.
left willow
That will get you the last bit
oh, yeah
dusty kraken
Something with supergood scaling for low faith but poor scaling past a point.
For 'Look, I'm only like faith 25 but I need a fireball'
stone cove
Also: man, I kinda wish there was a demihuman queen seal like there is a staff.
Godskin or Beast are basically the options there iirc. Though Godskin is quite a bit higher on faith, annoyingly
old brook
Godskin being so early in the game but also 28 faith was a choice
i guess it's behind a key door
stone cove
just the basic finger seal also has a ton of scaling
dusty kraken
Godskin or Beast are basically the options there iirc. Though Godskin is quite a...
Oh yeah, I'm just right now kinda wishing I could do a little blasting on my mostly dex character. (Dex 50, Faith 20 right now)
XD
stone cove
Oh yeah, I'm just right now kinda wishing I could do a little blasting on my mos...
Ah, yeah, valid. I'm really glad i respeced out of occult and into str faith for my i200 beast claws character
left willow
occult?
stone cove
Arcane, Occult is the weapon damage type thing
left willow
Ah, I see
stone cove
I was rambling about this all last night and also grumping about it 😄
old brook
This game should let you turn into a broccoli with enough Arcane, I miss it
stone cove
Occult gives your weapon physical scaling with arcane, but also makes it's inherent status (if it has one) scale with arcane too.
dusty kraken
Hmm...I should really check what the difference is in scaling with the various bottles if you're really good dex but mediocre faith/int (As the frost and lightning bottles scale with dex and another stat).
stone cove
So for (most) weapons that have inherent bleed - Great Starts, Omenkiler Cleaver, THE CHICKEN WING, Occult is a very strong option
For Beast c laws though, it's a trap.
dusty kraken
As if they're half-decent with near pure dex they'd likely be fine 'backup' weapons to my 'fire bottle for everything'
stone cove
As if they're half-decent with near pure dex they'd likely be fine 'backup' weap...
This will help you in your quest!
glossy delta
I believe the bloodfiend arm is probably better with blood? Assuming that is the chicken wing
Cuz it has the blood heavy pop but no innate bleed otherwise
left willow
I'm also up to like 49 or 50 vig finally
languid tiger
i use this one https://eldenring.tclark.io/
glossy delta
I'm rolling around with a bloodbloodfiend with savage lions claw and just dismantling stuff
glossy delta
Arm! Fork can't take lions claw
old brook
There's also two forks
Lotta Bloodfiend rep in the weapons for whatever reason
But where the spells >:0
dusty kraken
https://www.tarnished.dev/weapon-calculator
Alright, doing math: Honestly, even with minium stats that's prefectly acceptable values. Like, they do definitively lose out to the fire bottle but 20 faith has the lightning bottle be only a little worse off. Frost and Poison are a faith bit worse but noy really my main plan.
old brook
Fromsoft is a firm non-believer in spears doing not-stabby things
languid tiger
There's also two forks
nah, the greatspear is called sacred spear
the small spear is called the fork
old brook
i thought the sacred spear was mohgs
why does the formless mother use this archtype so much
there's other types of weapon
where's the blood light greatsword, that moveset suits it so well
dusty kraken
Anyone willing to toss me a chilling bottle? (I have a lightning/fire right now and I don't think I super need the frenzyflame or deadly perfume bottle) XD
languid tiger
unfortunately i haven't done the dlc on any characters other than my int build
which likes that bottle
otherwise i'd be happy to
old brook
I'm tempted by a frenzy perfumer, idk if the bottles good but it suits their whole depravity business
dusty kraken
As an aside: It was amusing realizing that my fire bottle has surprisingly half-decent fire block % wise (Not so much in reducing the fatigue you lose). XD
dusty kraken
65%
glossy delta
Since bloodfiends arose independently of the dynasty I assume the ritual of stabbing the air with a spear is something the formless mother dictates directly in some assuredly mysterious way
dusty kraken
I found out when I panic blocked when I mistimed 'running up a fire trap hallway' XD
languid tiger
nice
old brook
Skin can be flayed in so many ways is the thing
dusty kraken
And went 'oh, that barely hurt'
glossy delta
Oh I mean
Specifically a spear
languid tiger
"skin being flayed" isn't what she asks for
languid tiger
i don't think the mother of truth has skin
glossy delta
Also re blood light greatsword
Just put seppuku on milady lol