Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[atomic steeple]

Okay?

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[split beacon]

Ayin was a bad guy in a lot of ways

[vagrant dove]

I find him interesting but also a fundamental example of what ths Great Man (tm) leads to

[split beacon]

his story is literally that of someone sinking to the lowest depths of sin and then finding enlightenment in that darkness

[humble orbit]

hes a good character but i hate him so much

[cloud wadi]

His love for Carmen was real

Which is fascinating

[atomic steeple]

I get he was a rat bastard but I think you are feedback looping your hate a lot

[worthy haven]

Hey at least he didn't start the smoke war :^)

[fickle crown]

Tbf I think most people have this reaction to Ayin by the end of lobcorp

[split beacon]

for everything that was weird about Ayin he really did love Carmen, maybe not romantically but Carmen was everything to him in a sense that distinguishing it from "love" is meaningless

[cloud wadi]

Binah picks a side when it’s funnier for her

[atomic steeple]

Real mastigos mage inspiration

[halcyon agate]

Oh yea. It's in her still mysterious art of her

[humble orbit]

found it, 2-7 pre-battle.

[vagrant dove]

Yeah, the MotWE cutscene right

[stoic fjord]

never let Yi Sang talk to anyone besides Faust ever again

[fickle crown]

Yeah, there's a differentiation to be made here for love in the romantic sense and the sacrificial love Ayin showed

[humble orbit]

i think the reason i feedback loop his hate so hard is because ive had my life fucked immensely because of somebody with uncanny similarities to his 'grand man' ideals and i see a fraction of them in him and GOD i fucking hate him even harder for it

[split beacon]

Binah is a really funny person but I think that she truly doesn't like picking sides or arbitrarily ruling one person or another to be "right"

[worthy haven]

Wait can we say it's all garions fault since that's how they discovered how to be a wing

[atomic steeple]

Non romantic obsessive love

[split beacon]

yandere (platonic)

[halcyon agate]

Yea

[atomic steeple]

I see
Sorry to hear that

[cloud wadi]

Ahab is a good deconstruction of Ayin type character

[split beacon]

like, her gimmick is very much "no one's right or wrong until they prove it themselves, I won't weigh in and change the outcome"

which is why she wants X to prove himself to her

[cloud wadi]

She weighs in to balance the team I think

Like Meursault

[humble orbit]

its fine, im not saying it to get apologies i'm saying it to explain why if hes still alive in the light im gonna throw bricks at other bricks until there is a pile of bricks

[neat cedar]

Arbiter in the most literaly sense of the word

i mean

"alive" is a stretch for what ge kinda is

[cloud wadi]

I feel like pretty much only reason she sided with Angela during the coup was because nobody else was taking her side

[split beacon]

nah yeah she steps in when it's unfair but it's really about letting Angela prove her point

[humble orbit]

if hes conscious and not just some imprint of himself left upon the light i will be pissed

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[bronze zephyr]

yeah the only character who canoncially loved carmen was netzach/giovanni

[split beacon]

it's just that if she didn't, there would never have been an opportunity to see who was right

[bronze zephyr]

mm ic

[cloud wadi]

I mean fairness is the opportunity to be heard innit

[split beacon]

Angela would've been steamrolled, right or wrong, and Binah can't be having that

she has to understand

[humble orbit]

angela my beloved you've done nothing wrong ever except or all the wrong things you've done and im ignoring those

[stoic fjord]

oh huh I didn't catch that

[bronze zephyr]

he says it in ruina iirc

[stoic fjord]

I played through all of ruina

[cloud wadi]

I’m not saying she did anything wrong but she did murder all those people

[stoic fjord]

maybe my memory is just bad

[fickle crown]

Ayin is kind of a guide and that's it really. Not to say he's not dead, but I'd firmly say that whatever he is, he's far disconnected from the person he was during Lobcorp following the tree of light situation

[humble orbit]

god forbid women do anything

[cloud wadi]

He’s gone

We’ll never hear from him again

[atomic steeple]

Reason I can't be binah
I am picking sides and dying on these hills

[split beacon]

there's a 0% chance we ever see Ayin as, like, a being with agency and a story of his own again

[fickle crown]

Oh actually ok

[worthy haven]

I cannot wait for canto 10 since we are I think almost guaranteed a bigger Carmen appearance based on the (non canon) teaser we got during Pilgrimage

[fickle crown]

Yeah that's actually probably a good thing

[stoic fjord]

Pilgrimage is canon, we just don't remember it

[humble orbit]

well ok no pilgrimage is objectively canon we just dont . remember it at all

[fickle crown]

I forgot it's just the big C floating around in the light nowadays

[stoic fjord]

and it isn't canon to Arknights

[split beacon]

YOU SHUT UP MAYORS IS REAL TO ME

[worthy haven]

Ah I mixed it up

[humble orbit]

we still have the ego. those ego are still canon things. it just... isnt canon to arknights for some reason

[worthy haven]

But

[split beacon]

;_;

[fickle crown]

Pilgrimage was a canon mirror dungeon trip

[bronze zephyr]

as far as im concerned pilgrimage is not canon it doesnt exist anymoreee

[worthy haven]

THE SUN IS SHINING

[cloud wadi]

Carmen sees to have a particular dislike of n corp

[atomic steeple]

Never got to date the airheaded cult leader

[cloud wadi]

Just from the narrative style of n corp ids

[stoic fjord]

still incredibly funny to me that El Director's Arknights OC was just added for the Arknights collab

[bronze zephyr]

i reallyyy hope we see silent girl in limbus, maybe we will in c10

[worthy haven]

I would actually disagree partially maybe

[split beacon]

Ms. Sun has beef with certain groups

[neat cedar]

from.what we've gatgered on them

[vagrant dove]

I do think part of Binah's deal in Lobcorp is that she's trying very hard not to deal with her own issues around her quite violent death (binah is not the name of a person)

[neat cedar]

makes sense

they are sweming to like

[split beacon]

did you notice that Rien also hates the sun

[neat cedar]

comnodify human experience

[main scaffold]

Extremely true tbh

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[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) angela my beloved you've done nothing wrong ever except or all the wrong things you've done and im i…

[fickle crown]

Makes sense actually. N Corp (despite praising humanity) shows very little of it. Hell, the architecture only serves to further compress people into just one homogenous group

[worthy haven]

She does seem to have a hand in the quicker assimilation of n corps ego gear no?

[humble orbit]

the information we received as a result of pilgrimage of compassion is still canon, in regards exclusively to character information, like meursault saying "There is more to the sun than it's warmth". that sorta stuff

[cloud wadi]

The narrator usually has nice things to say about everyone

[worthy haven]

I do wonder if she specifically hates the Hammer

[split beacon]

I suspect that it's the opposite and a force that opposes Carmen is at play

[worthy haven]

Mebe

[atomic steeple]

There's the theory she's an n corp native

[neat cedar]

Carmen remains

[worthy haven]

How is her mood in the fraud duo uptie?

[neat cedar]

mysterious as fuck

[split beacon]

mostly because we're the ones following the path of the flaming sword

[split beacon]

nonpresent

[vagrant dove]

Which is part of why she detaches herself from humanity so hard (at least in my reading, that is)

[split beacon]

consciously Ms. Not Appearing In This One

[worthy haven]

Hm

So the dislike miiiiight be focused on the inquisition/Hammer

[cloud wadi]

Limbus company seems to be her preferred agents though Carmen is known to play both sides.

But I don’t think it’s accidental that limbus company is proliferating monoliths that cause distortions

[fickle crown]

Also Carmen definitely wouldn't be speaking to you during EGO corrosion, actually I'd argue she's like a human imitation of that phenomenon

[cloud wadi]

And Carmen apparently helping us extract ids from the Mirror

[worthy haven]

Man the potential for silent girl to show up canto 10 is def I think a possibility

[fickle crown]

Carmen must fucking hate me then, because my Walpipi pulls one time were nothing but QoH announcers

[stoic fjord]

Silent Girl as our first ALEPH...

[neat cedar]

real shit, i am waiting

[humble orbit]

still not over yi sang walking up to a grouo of people and introducing himself with "Get naked please."

[neat cedar]

fir tge mirror world tech

ti backfire on us

[split beacon]

if we get a Silent Girl jumpscare in Canto X I will go nuts

[atomic steeple]

Lmao at how one sided this was
The collab was straight up designed so it also makes sense from the arknights side: while lcb explores the dungeon, Rhodes Island fights armies of seaborn on the rear
The fight with mayors also has this

[neat cedar]

Like, we fuck with identies so much

[worthy haven]

She has the links!

[neat cedar]

and yet still have no (visible) cost to that power

[humble orbit]

they need to rework silent girl so hard for this game though. her fight in ruina is fucking buns

"take my ten billion damage fuck you" die die die die die die die

[neat cedar]

All of the late game ruina fights are buns

[vagrant dove]

Price of silence limbus fight but it's just the ruina one

[fickle crown]

win rate

[worthy haven]

I think tho my biggest wish for canto 10 is genuinely that we will work with nail to cripple hammer. I actually would not super like if the whole of N is just antagonistic to us

[cloud wadi]

But yeah narrator is downright passive aggressive when talking about n corp ids

[fickle crown]

Just win rate

[cloud wadi]

Not to mention N corp has a Device that can seemingly suck distortions out of people—she would hate that I think

[split beacon]

simply do not fail the clash?

[neat cedar]

PM and making a fun endgame challenge(level impossible)

[worthy haven]

I really do think Nail will recruit us to hinder Hammer

Or we might work with Hermann

[stoic fjord]

I would love if we were forced to work with the New League of the Nine

it'd be so funny

[worthy haven]

Ye

[split beacon]

please

[neat cedar]

like, i remain convinced the ensemble fights and beyond

[humble orbit]

i disagree i enjoyed the reverb ensemble, SOTC, and the roland fight. i just. fucking hated silent girl
the rest of the keter realization is also fun. fuck silent girl.

[neat cedar]

are just sligs

[stoic fjord]

"So, Gregor, how did you like your gift? :)"

[fickle crown]

Okay but knowing Limbus, we'll actually just be caught in the crossfire of that kind of mess

[split beacon]

Limbus Company Dark interlude where we play as a preset N Corp Litterateurs team

[stoic fjord]

also true

[neat cedar]

the ensemble fights don't challenge tho

[humble orbit]

they're fun

[neat cedar]

their gimmicks are simple and it's just

[worthy haven]

Like Nail hiring us to work with the league to cripple Kramer would be dope

[neat cedar]

hey if you fuck uo you get pubished, now sit here for a few hours

[vagrant dove]

I think the fight I dislike most is still honestly the Wolf one

[worthy haven]

Oh for sure!

[neat cedar]

Wolf is cheeks, yeag

[vagrant dove]

Because why the fuck is it designed like that

[stoic fjord]

imo Red Riding Hooded Mercenary was worse

[split beacon]

literally built wrong, what the fuck

[neat cedar]

Xiao is imho, Ruina's veat and hardest fight

[humble orbit]

win my evil ass this with +3 coin power also fuck you

[gentle mulch]

theres a lot of really annoying fights in ruina

endgame uhhh

binah realization

[lean fjord]

Silent Girl seasonal EGO go

[worthy haven]

I just am thinking along these lines cause I would hate for N to just become "evil corp". Like all wings are bad afterall but I would love a lil nuance for N beyond the inquisition/Hammer

[neat cedar]

binah realization does suck

mainly

due to math bird

[atomic steeple]

Veat?

[lean fjord]

Binah realization isn't the worst IMO

[split beacon]

hole in the man found shot dead in n corp backstreets

[lean fjord]

except for the Judgement Bird phase

[neat cedar]

*best

[lean fjord]

true

[neat cedar]

yeah

[vagrant dove]

I am a big proponent of the Hokma realisation

[neat cedar]

Math bird sucks

[lean fjord]

Hole in the Man would be cool

[vagrant dove]

Hype moments and aura

[humble orbit]

win my evil ass +10 dice power when hit

[split beacon]

simply do not hit the residual desires?

[neat cedar]

^

[atomic steeple]

Puppets with gaze office stuff made it way easier for me

[neat cedar]

Silent girl fight is mainly about juggling threat if my memory serves

[vagrant dove]

Also you don't have to fight Price of Silence again

[atomic steeple]

Maybe silent girl as intervallo, where we first unlock alephs

[lean fjord]

I honestly don't remember how I actually did Silent Girl

is just somehow first tried it

[humble orbit]

the reception requires a heavy offensive focus, plus its endgame
Theres also like absolutely no fucking pages that arent ending with an attack
also you cant ignore them or they torture you

[neat cedar]

it's not a terribly hard fight if u get the gimmick

it's tedious thoygh

[lean fjord]

I died like half a dozen times on Blood Bath, and then smashed through the entire rest of the reception on the next try

[neat cedar]

like almost wvery fight in the final act

which is why i hate the reverb enaemble

they're just tedious and overly punishing

[humble orbit]

i like them

[lean fjord]

I only dislike Uninvited Guests because of not being able to reuse stuff

it makes the lower floors a pain

[split beacon]

shrimply have more builds ready

[lean fjord]

needing four entire fully kitted floors is just annoying

[vagrant dove]

I think I like the reverb ensemble the most because you get the ensemble-librarian pairing

[humble orbit]

yi sang 4 seconds after saying this shit

[vagrant dove]

And the dialogue/debates

The geb/tanya one is still so funny

[lean fjord]

middle and upper floors are also much easier because of that

[humble orbit]

gebura and tanya's interactions are so fucking funny

[vagrant dove]

"Survival of the fittest is stupid."
-Gebura

(Basically]

[humble orbit]

and tanya unironically getting pressed over that too

[fickle crown]

Still fucking chuckling about this fight I was doing today. Woe, Grade 8 fixer be upon ye

[humble orbit]

if you arent soloing tanya with red mist page shenanigans are u playing ruina right. its just so thematically funny to have gebura walk up to tanya, hitting the "your entire philosophy is wrong goodbye", and then beat her to death alone

[vagrant dove]

feeling slothful rn

[fickle crown]

Tired ass sin lineup

[stoic fjord]

truthnuke

[cloud wadi]

I still love that Ryoshu comes to the conclusion that violence is the universal art

[lean fjord]

in my entire last playthrough of Ruina, I didn't get offered Mountain once

[vagrant dove]

The second funniest is Netzach's because like

[stoic fjord]

"Hello I am the strongest your entire philosophy is wrong goodbye"

[lean fjord]

I was just winning too many clashes and not getting any red coins
suffering from success 😔

[atomic steeple]

Aesma and the three masters

[vagrant dove]

We can only understand one side of the conversation and for some reason that framing is just funny to me

[lean fjord]

it's part of the thrust of that convo
that Bremen discarded the ability to be understood by others, because they didn't think they need it

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[lean fjord]

but art needs to be understood by others, or it's meaningless

[vagrant dove]

And how it impacts th-

[stoic fjord]

Netzach also just being chill about it is funny

[vagrant dove]

Yeah i was about to comment on that

[cloud wadi]

Rufo and Ryoshu be like “words won’t ever settle whose art form is superior so let’s just kill each other now”

[vagrant dove]

Average ring interaction

[atomic steeple]

Mental image of incomprehensible monster and a stoner stereotype chilling and talking

[lean fjord]

no another Ring Docent would absolutely launch into an academic debate on why their style is superior

[cosmic gorge]

Wait where

[cloud wadi]

Distortion detective

[vagrant dove]

True, the murder only comes after a certain amount kf time

[cosmic gorge]

Ah

[cloud wadi]

Lemme seee

[lean fjord]

which is a common theme of the Ensemble, and Distortion

[vagrant dove]

Oh I also love the absolute shade Hokma lays down on Pluto's hollow philosophy

[lean fjord]

it's becoming self contained, not caring about anyone else
not needing to put in the effort of connecting with others

[vagrant dove]

It's so polite

[fickle crown]

ngl Hook Lu is actually pretty crazy for a Walpipi ID

[cloud wadi]

“Are you implying that a Wing’s Singularity has been leaked?”
“Well, it collapsed anyway.”
Remnants of a Singularity… There have been a few cases of a Singularity coming off patent after the Wing holding it breaks.
“Or someone could have scavenged one of the sealed branches. Or got all the way into the headquarters, perhaps.”
“YuRia, I’m more interested in learning about the functions and working principles of that box.”
“I can tell you what it does. This box sucks in people’s psyche. Or their Distortions, to be exact.”
“…Is it some kind of Psychoment?”
“Basically. From what I’ve seen, at least. It could be a Psychoment belonging to someone… Or one formed from artificially created minds and emotions.”
Creating minds and emotions… An action that is considered a taboo```

[fickle crown]

Like

The Walpurgis 00 IDs aren't the best

But they are incredibly funny

[vagrant dove]

"I could say it is true that an unsteady and crumbled mind is prone to absorb improper beliefs."
Although he does go for the throat

[atomic steeple]

Just show the pic, tbh
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1sxbpls/how_do_i_tell_my_hairdresser_that_i_want_this_cut/

[lean fjord]

Hokma is pretty brutal in a lot of his interactions

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

Esp. with Roland and Angela early on

[atomic steeple]

Yeah, and the tech originally comes from L corp
Why the fuck were you making artifical thought to make weird egos, ayin

[faint pivot]

Bookmark for today's b.r.

[atomic steeple]

Pluto seethes at this, lmao

[vagrant dove]

It's such a good conversation in general

In many ways I think Pluto is what Hokma is often flanderized as

[stoic fjord]

Pluto is a chud because he fucked over my GOAT Nemo

[lean fjord]

I'll be real, I still don't really like Hokma

[atomic steeple]

Hokma: coversation over, time for chokma
Pluto: chokma?
Hokma: Chokma balls
100 pale damage, fight over

[fickle crown]

Oh yeah, random thing

But you guys ever realize Meursault has a lot of themes around drug use

[vagrant dove]

I do, he's prickly and unpleasant (and has a terrible past) to be certain, but he's also someone with a heart

But yeah I can def see why people don't like him lmao

[cloud wadi]

“What was up with this Distortion, detective? These things keep getting tougher and tougher. Could it be the same type as the mock exam case?”
“Beats me… Alright, take care of the rest yourself.”
I stood up and approached the altar-like black box at the other end of the chamber. The Distortions of this company’s employees were sucked into this box, which in turn created a white smoke that manifested into one giant Distortion. That wasn’t a mass Distortion shared by many people like the one we saw in the mock exam case.

…An artificial Distortion created by someone’s design.

[vagrant dove]

I rly like him and Binah

Although the Sephirot are all Goated

Also

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[neat cedar]

Hokma is very easy to not like because the man never minces his words and is a right asshole

he's very "annoying grandpa who you know is right on some level, but he also says it in the least helpful way imaginable so you don't wanna listen"

[vagrant dove]

see "I am not so different from Benjamin, in that I do not believe your status of humanity is what matters.", which I think is vry important for Angela to hear when she's constantly confronted with the fact that the City is a world that sees her existance as an aberration

Like a lot of the guests are dicks to her about it

[atomic steeple]

Gloria, a cyborg, calls her something that seems like a slur

[vagrant dove]

Walter tells her a machine must behave as a machine

Which like

Not cool to begin with and also very much evokes Ayin's whole attiitude

It seems to really get at her, which is why the post-battle is her and Roland discussing the topic of what makes a machine a machine

(Justifiably, walter's a prick)

[vagrant dove]

Also in general as something that helps sow the seeds of doubt in regards to chasing after the One Perfect Book

Although Angela at the time does the classic trick of Leaving To Avoid Dealing With That

[lean fjord]

yeah

[split beacon]

it's a great image

[faint pivot]

People still doubt pal now 😭

[vagrant dove]

How it genuinely feels to talk to people who think Vergilius is fraudulent post canto 6

[humble orbit]

man the only people with faith in dante are the sinners

everyone else thinks dante is a fucking moron

they're also a bit right

[vagrant dove]

Absolutely yeah, although he has his moments where he's less prickly (see above)

Which grow in frequency over time

I still love how fucking pissed he looks in his first story

[main scaffold]

Dante does have a tendency to be a bit shortsighted

4 points in sys (viis) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) they're also a bit right

[faint pivot]

Angela be like:
/lh

Ludicrous? I honestly thought that it just locked us on the 2nd speed-up level

Didn't realize it sped past that

Wdym

[keen palm]

Dante, I think, showcases a deep intuition on people while also flippant disregard to everything else

[stoic fjord]

waltuh. put your dick away waltuh.

[keen palm]

They do show some long term planning like keeping the memory wipe a secret

[neat cedar]

Dante is very smart in very specific moments

but also

[keen palm]

But also they are the most manipulatable person on the planet

[neat cedar]

very careless

[vagrant dove]

The funny thing is I was talking about walter white early today in av chat, guess it was a sign

[neat cedar]

even for someone with amensia

[vagrant dove]

Who's the mike to walter (zwei)

[keen palm]

I think its actually a really notable sin that they are keeping a secret from Don

[neat cedar]

you'd 5hibk by canto 9 their head would be in a fuckin hair trigger swivel

[vagrant dove]

Especially about the corpse of her father

[fickle crown]

Tbf, Vergilius has actually taken a shine to Dante too imo

[vagrant dove]

And how P Corp is experimenting onnit

[worthy haven]

That was me being a bit dumb

[humble orbit]

vergilius is like, a diet sinner

[stoic fjord]

Vergilius does genuinely seem to trust Dante as a leader for the sinners now yeah

[neat cedar]

that ia gonna bite them innthe ass so hard

[atomic steeple]

Dante has zero social skills but a deep psychological intuition
Got that psychology hyperfixation autism

[worthy haven]

Ye

[neat cedar]

also, another factor of Dante's personality

overconfidence

such a bounty

[worthy haven]

I imagine if that comes out the other bloodfiend elders will not be a happy

[atomic steeple]

Verg knew pre amnesia dante and dated them

[neat cedar]

of very unearned over confidence

[worthy haven]

Especially since its kinda applied that one of them is like actively leading a wing?

[vagrant dove]

They are getting quite overconfident

Which uh

[neat cedar]

lil.worrisome

[vagrant dove]

Also gonna bite us in the ass

[neat cedar]

abusing the hell put of malkuth

[vagrant dove]

Especially with this run of cantos

[neat cedar]

was so funny

and so worrying

||alsi them forcing their way into ryoshu's memories||

[worthy haven]

"the elders of v" do Sound like they could just be bloodfiends leading V corp

[vagrant dove]

Can't wait to fight Achilles (Lvl 90) in Outis' canto and we get washed

[atomic steeple]

Pre amnesia dante must have been a real vastard

[neat cedar]

like more than the durante over use

the moment with ryoshu

[vagrant dove]

Yeah that was

[neat cedar]

made my eyes shoot up unstantly

[stoic fjord]

Dante. Dante don't lose yourself to the City. Dante Outis's canto is going to involve the Index if you become too much like your old self you're going to get fucked. Dante please

[vagrant dove]

I think it's significant that the two abnos Dante is quite heavily associated with (King in Binds and Doomsday Calender) have Worrying Themes

[neat cedar]

they weren't marure enough

[vagrant dove]

If you want the king in binds association, Yi Sang just brings it up

[neat cedar]

to get the keys to the kingdom

[stoic fjord]

also Whitenight in a way

[vagrant dove]

Also WN yeah

[neat cedar]

what a countdown to doomsday and a swird of damocles allergory?

having worrying inplications?

naaaaaaaaah

[vagrant dove]

Also the fact the King In Binds is chained

[neat cedar]

mhnmm

something something

Fate

simething something

Holy grail war

[split beacon]

I don't want to do MDE...

[neat cedar]

Yadda yadda, the sinners are gaining power to become sacrificies

is my bet right now

every.PM story has kinda circled around.that concept a bit

[main scaffold]

I'm sure it's fine that the Contract Dante has with the sinners is actively stopping them from focusing on their past emotions and using stuff like Shin

[neat cedar]

that the core avenue of the gameplay is a build up of.human sacrifice

[vagrant dove]

Like why does Doomsday Calendar have a unique death animation. KJH what are you planning. KJH.

[neat cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-10455738442136230044

[main scaffold]

wait what

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[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Like why does Doomsday Calendar have a unique death animation. KJH what are you planning. KJH.

[split beacon]

being killed by Doomsday Calendar's A Universe Aflame causes a unique death animation

[vagrant dove]

When Sinners die to Universe Aflame, DC's big skill (notably, mind you, one explictly associated with the stars) there is a unique animation

[split beacon]

so do a bunch of the early dev Abnormalities though

[vagrant dove]

True

[keen palm]

Garden of Roses does

[vagrant dove]

But I think Doomsday Calendar is a particuarly significant one because of how much it ties into

A lot of things

About Dant

[split beacon]

something something fire festival

something something burning sword that scorches reality

[keen palm]

Dantes clock is the doomsday clock ticking to Midnight yea

[vagrant dove]

Let the Blood Festival Flow.

Let the Fire Festival Ignite

Let the Star Festival Fall

We've had a blood festival

[split beacon]

either this canto was the fire festival or we're gonna be burning some sinners at the stake in canto x...

[stoic fjord]

"Let the Star Festival Fall"

and Bari talking about some war against the Nebulae

[split beacon]

indeed

[stoic fjord]

[vagrant dove]

Also Dante's links to the Star

[faint pivot]

One could see Ryo's canto as a fire festival

[split beacon]

and everything Demian has said

[vagrant dove]

Doomsday Calendar is honestly my favourite limbus abno because like

There's so much

[faint pivot]

Hell it's not even tied to just Dante

[vagrant dove]

Also Sinclair via Impending Day

[faint pivot]

Canto #

1

[vagrant dove]

And note that we get a prophecy of the future

Via Sinclair

In canto 9

[faint pivot]

Who resonates with the bough in canto 1?

GREGOR

God I'm not getting over that one chief

[split beacon]

starting at the end

[vagrant dove]

The stars are twinkling. When they shine, they’ll rob us all of our sight. What gift would the stars like?

[keen palm]

I do think

[vagrant dove]

-Doomsday Calendar, third battle event

[keen palm]

La Mancha was not the blood festival

[split beacon]

oh?

[keen palm]

Because I do not recall Dante's clock ticking down for it

[worthy haven]

And we got nebulae below the city aswell

[stoic fjord]

I need another Tremor Bleed besides N Don her voicelines are starting to make me want to blow up

[split beacon]

it did actually

[faint pivot]

But wait, isn't that

the second tick...

ah...

[split beacon]

Cantos IV and VII are the two instances of the clock ticking down

[faint pivot]

fire, huh

[faint pivot]

There was certainly lots of blood in 4

More than usual even, thanks to Serum K

[keen palm]

Canto 4 would be the star one

100%

[faint pivot]

Hmm

[keen palm]

There is 2 entire asides about stars

[faint pivot]

Yeah

[split beacon]

true, that's the one with the most Star Lore up to this point

[vagrant dove]

1 event left

[faint pivot]

So La Manchaland was fire

...hm

[keen palm]

Or it's just out of order

[vagrant dove]

Or it's out of order yeah

[faint pivot]

Considering the hammers

And their unnecessary cruelty

[vagrant dove]

It's worth noting the passives are also disjointed by the third passive Frenzy

So they're not in any particular order

[faint pivot]

So we just know that:

• There's 1 festival left
• It could be blood, fire, or stars

[split beacon]

no they are

there's an order

because the order of events in the fight is the blood sacrifice, then the ignition of the calendar, and then the stars

[vagrant dove]

One of the reasons that I think the Blood Festival is La Manchaland is

The battle proceeds to the next phase after all the Clay Dolls are defeated.

Which happens until Don intercedes

Although to be fair trying to read lore through passive mechanics is partially an exercise in uh

Pointlessness

[stoic fjord]

I was going to say insanity

[faint pivot]

The HoS:

[vagrant dove]

I'm open to other interpretations to say the least

[split beacon]

oh I mean I think the doomsday calendar theory is like

complete idle speculation

I just think it's fun

[vagrant dove]

Yeah there's a level of speculation to it all

[faint pivot]

Same with the introduction order predicting cantos

[vagrant dove]

I think there are like

[faint pivot]

(It's held up btw!)

[vagrant dove]

Strong parallels between it and Dant that we shouldn't ignore

But

Speculation

[faint pivot]

Yeah it's 100% speculation

It's just

Fucking PMoon

Will more than likely come up with something more batshit than what we're thinking of

[worthy haven]

Ye

[split beacon]

I think the Fruit of Knowledge theory is really plausible tbh

[worthy haven]

We got bamboozled already with no blue man group last canto

[faint pivot]

We got a bluewoman technically...

Hah

This series is gonna drive me insane

I love it so much

[vagrant dove]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[stoic fjord]

||...Araya as part of the Blue Man Group...||

okay hold on hear me out what if they contact her now

and she joins

[faint pivot]

We literally have no way of knowing until whatever they needed her for comes to fruition

Absolute cinema, I believe it

[vagrant dove]

Anything to stop Sinclair translating

[split beacon]

I mean it fits with their themeing so far

they've all been Distortions and other Light-related phenomena shitsters

why not an ||immaterial, missing EGOtist||

[vagrant dove]

Still amazes me that like

Demian has 7 mang

[stoic fjord]

...

you're right

[vagrant dove]

Where the fuck did he get that

[split beacon]

it might not be Mang

[faint pivot]

7 huh

7 deadly sins

[split beacon]

it might be though, and we know that Signs do different things for different people

[stoic fjord]

there's no fucking shot right

[split beacon]

I mean

[faint pivot]

I wish PMoon didn't fuck with pattern recognition so much I'm so fried gang

[stoic fjord]

it's glowing rings of light

[vagrant dove]

It bears a striking resemblance to mang

[stoic fjord]

what else could it be

[split beacon]

they discuss it as "glowing rings of light" when having already used the terminology for Mang

in that scene

[stoic fjord]

I mean yeah but they also do that in Canto 8

[split beacon]

just sayin'

[faint pivot]

Could be a translation thing too

[stoic fjord]

fair...

[faint pivot]

Imagine if Demian's Sign was just

"Mimic The Strongest"

[split beacon]

also Vespa basically outright says the mental strain of 7 Mang would be absurd

[stoic fjord]

tbf Demian is an absurd guy

[vagrant dove]

Demian is probably Different though

[faint pivot]

Demian is absurd, tbf

[split beacon]

yeah he could just be built different

that could be his Sign

[faint pivot]

Pal flies

We've only seen teleporters so far

[split beacon]

no

[faint pivot]

Or high leapers

[split beacon]

he's sovereign to gravity.

Demian's above natural law

it's like the one extremely consistent thing about him

[faint pivot]

(I missed earlier)

[vagrant dove]

Also we still haven't drawn him a sheep I think

[split beacon]

we never will

[vagrant dove]

Fucked up

[split beacon]

it'll NEVER happen

[vagrant dove]

I do think we might see the BMG in like

Canto 10

[split beacon]

this one highly foreshadowed rencounter will NEVER go down

[vagrant dove]

They would fit

[vagrant dove]

Genuinely so funny if like

It gets built up

And it's a nothingburger

I know it won't be

But imagine

[split beacon]

he just hands Demian a literal drawing of a sheep

and Demian just goes "thanks Dante" and puts it on his fridge or whatever

[vagrant dove]

They

But yeah, we get sinclair to have a ring id to draw his sheep

[split beacon]

demian: "I know it's me you're stealing from or whatever but hey nice sheep"

"themes and such don't matter" - Demian

[keen palm]

Demien definitely uses Mang

And we know explicitly where he got it

The Outskirts

Mang is from the Outskirts, and Demien has ties to the stars and wishes that populate them

[worthy haven]

Where do we know this from?

[keen palm]

When its first named

[vagrant dove]

Anyway gn chat

[keen palm]

And we know Demien has ties to stars based on like

gestures at him

His everything

[worthy haven]

Oh damm when was that

[keen palm]

Lei Heng

[worthy haven]

Gotta reread that then

Wait but where in this is it stated or implied that it comes explicitly from the outskirts then?

The emotions at the core mang as stated in the notes do def seem to vibe with demian

But I fail to see here tbh the explicit confirmation of it originating in the outskirts other then Light being a universal force or law but I could be mistaken or missing something here in what lei heng said?

[eternal berry]

Lei Heng's using vague enough phrasing it could mean basically anywhere, I wouldn't take that as necessarily pointing to Mang originating from the Outskirts

[stoic fjord]

Only real sleeper agents will understand

[faint pivot]

Say

Ain't it

Wild

Bows and walks off stage

[cosmic gorge]

DULLAHAN

HEEHEEHEEHAAHAAHAAH

[unique bane]

Speaking of wuthering heights ids

Maidshu reminds me of shiomi
Both are bound to a place, and raised a child that would later come back for the sake of a person they forgot

[cosmic gorge]

Parallels

Fascinatin

[bronze zephyr]

just infodumped about pm lore for like two and a half hours to my roommate oops

they liked the T and W corp loredumps

[bronze zephyr]

Anyway excited for the bokgak in ~20hrs

[karmic escarp]

this made me remember i didnt do my MD this week

but i do wanna see heathcardo

[tiny cave]

Heathcardo facade

[ebon forge]

envy team Soon

just need middle don, heath, and outis to complete The Envy Team

[karmic escarp]

low key rien coded post

[vagrant dove]

Beep
"My darling daughter, have you ever tried... bacon?"

-Rien probably

[atomic steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc8BACJ_GAg

[wheat spindle]

Slap ryoshu on her ego gear

To fufill greg passive

[faint pivot]

She's swapping QoHote for MiDon

[wheat spindle]

Oh nevermind then there will be no greg passive had today

[atomic steeple]

Saikai cover
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBzOUSX-Ok||

Hoping the heathcardo uptie has him being an embarrassing big brother

OH, huh
Yan: Were there more languages left to be found?
Really post apocalyptic

[stoic fjord]

Same, I need more of it

We saw a little with Sinclair

[atomic steeple]

Him just thinking to himself he doesn't need to check up on sinclair as much anymore

Commenting he is worried a bit about meursault

and don quixote is fine

Just needs treats

[faint pivot]

||https://youtu.be/zO-lL3ZmW5E?si=kKhb2lIXz2M1krwx||

Peam level

Canto 7 spoilers tho

[cosmic gorge]

@tiny cave you were right, fighting rufo on normal was harder than in hard

[faint pivot]

Wait really

How come

[cosmic gorge]

18 turn limit

[faint pivot]

Ah

[cosmic gorge]

compared to hard's 22

[faint pivot]

I thought twas about winning rather than reaching the timer

[stoic fjord]

*24

[cosmic gorge]

ah yeah

[atomic steeple]

Found an egg hong lu fic
Author note:

Do not take gender/transition advice from fanfic, dear mother of God, and if you do, please don't ask Hong Lu. She's neither safe nor sane.

[stoic fjord]

SWEEPERS TODAY!!!

[atomic steeple]

The evil santa does funny sounds when beaten up

[atomic steeple]

I heard him squealing as hong lu used closing time and killed him on a single skill

"Augh ough argh" corpse

[stoic fjord]

Matthias is a BUM!!!

And I don't NEED facts or evidence! I know it in my heart!!!

[atomic steeple]

Ah yes, I got so many random ego gifts enemies are inflicted with every disease known to man

[stoic fjord]

My SOUL knows it!

[gentle mulch]

if Matthias isn't a bum why did he die before Ricardo

[cosmic gorge]

meanwhile im trying to get anenemy to 6+ statuses so my GOAT ringrodya can go crazy with her s3-2

[stoic fjord]

Matthias fought a color fixer and died

Ricardo fought a color fixer and lived

Case closed

[atomic steeple]

My ring run is going great

[cosmic gorge]

i think hes washed bc i fully believe his daughter will surpass him in all the ways it matters

[stoic fjord]

GOATcardo is infinitely more worthy of being a Great Brother than Bumtthias

[stoic fjord]

She's going to fully unlock Laevataein and aura farm

Kira will do more than he ever could, while down half her bootleg tattoos

And she will learn from Bamboo-Hatted Kim and become a solo SotC

[stoic fjord]

I'm all in on her learning Shin and possibly mang ngl

She's going to emotionally mature to be a better and wiser person than her father ever was or could be

[cosmic gorge]

part of hohenheim's group once they escape limbus during purgatorio, trust

[stoic fjord]

Truke

We will see Dadenheim

I have faith

[cosmic gorge]

im gonna be so scared during the inevitable company betrayal

bc i feel
i feeel
that there will be a cliffhanger at some point

where shit hits the fan and we'll have to wait

[stoic fjord]

Alyssa will NOT survive the next major Limbus ordeal gng

Hohenheim will go through it THREE TIMES at LEAST

If we see ANY Matthias parallels in Kira I will become scares for her life

[faint pivot]

Madam you heard ACS

I fear Kira's the one who's going 😭

[cosmic gorge]

im pretty sure a certain sinclair isnt
certain

its implied that hes a potentiality whose journey ends as a power boost to this timeline

like a doomed timeline, that benefits the main one

like a doomed timeline from homestu

[gentle mulch]

no pretty much exactly a doomed timeline from homestuck

he used the glowing ring thingy

[lime swan]

An uncertain sinclair

[atomic steeple]

I feel so sapphic
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1sy9ud7/devyat_south_concept_design/

[atomic steeple]

A Slightly Softer World

And there’s something to Don Quixote that Hong Lu can’t hammer down, because she sets off every bullshit detector he has while being completely sincere.

[atomic steeple]

Don 't get why Will you Play is envy themed
Anyway, comic
https://www.rxddit.com/r/libraryofruina/comments/1sme3ml/thats_a_really_odd_thing_to_say_yan_art_by/

[cosmic gorge]

Envy as friction with others?
the lack of understanding and the retributive response to that?

[gentle mulch]

which one is Will You Play?

[lean fjord]

Rock Paper Scissors girl

[dusty sigil]

Reading the event and Outis’s quotes, it seems to be an abnormality about the concept of both wanting others to trust you while also constantly lying yourself

The girl tells you the truth, she’s playing for scissors, and she wants you to trust that she’s playing scissors

She gets offended when you play scissors and go for an easy tie because that shows you don’t trust her

But at the same time she doesn’t tell you that her version of rock paper scissors is reversed

Scissors loses to paper and beats rock

So by trusting her and playing to win you get hurt but by assuming she’ll lie you get a reward

[lean fjord]

ah so that's why Outis got it :)

[dusty sigil]

Yah probably

[lean fjord]

Outis, and Odysseus, is also a lying liar who lies

[dusty sigil]

“Dante! We can’t trust Don Quixote! Imagine all the people she’s killed in the past! It could be hundreds, no thousands! She even could have killed them via tricking them with a large wooden horse!”

[fickle crown]

Y'know what, middle bloodfiends is actually pretty great

Cassault and Dulcineon really help with sustain tbh

Also awesome sever knot roll

[dusty sigil]

Normal world limbus AU where Lucio goes full non contact with Valencina and she becomes an estranged parent influencer

[fickle crown]

Oh my fucking god

[cosmic gorge]

influencer valencia

[dusty sigil]

I’m glad someone else sees the vision

[cosmic gorge]

what kind of influencer tho

[fickle crown]

Kinda woman to down an entire bottle of red wine and spout the most shit opinion imaginable while blaming Lucio for everything

[dusty sigil]

Oh you don’t know

Estranged parent influencer is a type of influencer

They’re parents with estranged kids who make content about how their estrangement was all their child’s fault for being brainwashed by therapists

[fickle crown]

I genuinely think that Lucio could've actually been friends with Ren if the two of them were healthier

This is totally not a homosexual ship

Kira is well

I mean I think she'd probably find her own crowd eventually

Probably

Then again

Kira's room canonically looks like this

[stoic fjord]

RENLUCIO IS SO PEAAAAAAKKKK

[stoic fjord]

100%

[fickle crown]

Like Kira absolutely is the kind of person to have an entire tower of fucking monster cans in the corner

And you know some of them still have something in there

[stoic fjord]

See I've started collecting them but I make sure to thoroughly rinse and wash them

I also neatly organize them

[keen palm]

You say that but she doesnt actually have

A room

She has a couch in a warehouse

[stoic fjord]

And this is why Matthias is a BUM

[fickle crown]

No, she does actually

Iirc Kiramael has an entire line just saying to scoot a trash pile to the side to sit down

[keen palm]

Yes, on the couch

[fickle crown]

Also tbh, I don't think any of the apprentices actually have rooms

[keen palm]

But canonically her and Matthias just have a slob pile in the middle of his toy warehouse

[fickle crown]

Ren just looks in there and icks back into the Pinky basement

[stoic fjord]

I think this is probably stronger evidence.

[fickle crown]

Oh yeah that too

[stoic fjord]

However

I still assume Kira did not

[fickle crown]

Kira's room probably looks like an actual hoarder hole and she just doesn't go in there because it's genuinely fucking unliveable

[stoic fjord]

Because I assume Middle Outis to be slightly less of a bum than Matthias

[gentle mulch]

did they really just fight in front of the tv

[stoic fjord]

Also a possibility

[gentle mulch]

lol
lmao

[fickle crown]

Kira's room canonically where Gregor got all of those roaches

[cosmic gorge]

Pfft

Nooo

[stoic fjord]

No matter the circumstance... no matter the topic... I will ALWAYS take an opportunity to slander Matthias

[fickle crown]

Also Matthoutis might actually like

Clean Kiramael's room lmao

Or at least shoves the trash pile aside

[stoic fjord]

I think she does, but rarely, and thus Ishmael just keeps re-trashing it

[gentle mulch]

Matthoutis might actually cook and do basic maintenance like shower too

[stoic fjord]

I imagine it might be like... Outis does those things for her, and that's why she can't do those herself

Whereas Kira just never even is taught nor does she get those things provided

[fickle crown]

Okay I think Kira actually does bathe at least four or five times a week

She probably skips a day here and there but she's not completely filthy

[keen palm]

So like, a normal amount?

[gentle mulch]

Or Kira just gets dropped off by Matthias at like a Middle affiliated salon and get cleaned down there or something

[stoic fjord]

I offer the hypothesis of AXE body spray and hand sanitizer /j

[fickle crown]

Nah

Because how would she be keeping that coat and her sneakers white

[gentle mulch]

Cleaner Atelier

[fickle crown]

I mean she could also have like

Several spares

But y'know

Knowing Matthias that shit was limited release

[gentle mulch]

Matthias prolly buys ten of everything when the two only needs at most a pair

[fickle crown]

Also god, what if Kira's coat was actually purple and she accidentally bleached it

Matthias just fuckng

Shrugging and bleaching the entire thing

[gentle mulch]

In character

holy shit i can't wait for Ricliffdo

I might be tempted to pull for him

[fickle crown]

Also I know white is a secondary middle color, but personally the prevalence of it in Matthias and Kira's designs really does show they're outcasted imo

[gentle mulch]

The Middle Styled Augmentation Tattoos

fugggcccxcck

[dusty sigil]

…they’re what?

https://tenor.com/view/gregor-gregor-samsa-limbus-company-autotune-roach-cockroach-gif-17350901044924087215

[fickle crown]

Pffff

[fickle crown]

That too

Which reminds me

Kira is definitely like

[gentle mulch]

the best

[fickle crown]

The most potential woman of the entire cast of apprentices

[gentle mulch]

she fought off a Maestro's attack with locked blades, no chains, no tattoos, just aura and hype moments

Matthias could never

[fickle crown]

Also I kinda wish Kiramael could have the coin reuse on her S2 like Kira does, but I imagine Matthoutis is gonna have that as an assist feature

[gentle mulch]

I hope so

I hope it's like Matthoutis retriggers s1/s2/s3 based on envy res

[fickle crown]

Also being able to potentially turn praise stacks into middle styled tattoo stacks might be a gimmick she has?

[gentle mulch]

it seems they all have combo stuff yea

[fickle crown]

alternatively she gets the Rufo gimmick and lets Kiramael bodyblock to force a counter S3

[gentle mulch]

lmao imagine

that'd be hilarious

[fickle crown]

That would actually be really neat though

Since it gives even more middle uptime

[gentle mulch]

I'm imagining the nursefather being more tanky than the apprentice for the Middle

[fickle crown]

Yeahhh

Actually I wonder if she'll get inherent damage reduction when fighting enemies with burn

Or she just gets the grit passive lmao

I do think burn IDs should get to do more long game stuff

[gentle mulch]

yea

[fickle crown]

Don't increase burn damage or include dark flame, just give them gimmicks that exploit burn longevity

I think that'd be overall healthier for the archetype

Though tbf the burn IDs we've been getting lately are also damage monsters

[gentle mulch]

... we've been getting burn IDs lately?

[fickle crown]

Kiramael and the up and coming Ricardo ID

And we know the Thumb just hits hard in general

Also Ricardocliff can trigger Tremor Burst, homie can actually be in a Tremburn team

[gentle mulch]

I'd say thumb is not really in the recent category

[gentle mulch]

not for 5 status-count tho

[fickle crown]

Imo there are benefits to not demolishing the scorch stack immediately

[gentle mulch]

I can't really see putting Kiramael in a burn team myself but I suppose she counts

[fickle crown]

Which is a problem modern tremor has

[gentle mulch]

Ricardo is the second Actual Burn ID iirc

[fickle crown]

She doesn't fully feed the stack imo, but she benefits a lot regardless

[gentle mulch]

you still need envy res to get her thermal blades up

[fickle crown]

Also she's actually got decent application once you get her rolling

[gentle mulch]

which im wrathmaxxing with burn

[fickle crown]

I'd probably run her with uhhh

Dawnclair actually

[gentle mulch]

ah

him.

[fickle crown]

Mentally unstable kiddies team

[gentle mulch]

true

idunno I've given up on building burn this season--at least to the level that makes it more fun than the heishou burn team

[fickle crown]

Also use Cockcliff to supplement

Which also the current affinities would fuel bodysack

[gentle mulch]

is bodysack that much of a priority?

[cosmic gorge]

I wanna build burnmor so that the sad horse can aura farm better

[fickle crown]

Yeah

Bodysack is envy and can be used to sub in a skill if you need res right then and there

[gentle mulch]

oh you're talking about doing everything in your power to make Kiramael work

[fickle crown]

And can increase uptime on thermal blades while also giving Cockcliff a boost

Which like

It's fucked up and evil but it works

[gentle mulch]

it works

it's a lot easier to run envy res and use all defensives at that point

[fickle crown]

Also really easy to actually get up and running since Kiramael has the lust to fuel bodysack easily too

I think there's also merits to her non enhanced counter since stagger threshold lowering isn't anything I'd pass up

[gentle mulch]

guess i just don't find Kiramaels status application compelling enough to do all that

[fickle crown]

Mostly DPS but her burn isn't all that bad once thermal blades is up and running

That and she can spam the shit out of ABS

Since she'd also be fuelling it passively

Thermal blades has SP heal too which is neat

[gentle mulch]

yeah I've noticed the new design philosophy is just doing damage now instead of just status

[fickle crown]

Interesting thing to note too but she's really good at supplementing count

Not Firefist levels

But count is count

And in Tremburn that actually is pretty valuable since scorch burns up your stack

Not a minmaxer though, I just like running bizarre and sort of stupid teams

I will also say that doing solos does actually help a lot in learning ID strengths and weaknesses

Cockcliff is a goated mf btw

[fickle crown]

https://youtu.be/gd66JMQf63U?si=ONcEgUODhupOjVQV

Oh my fucking god did Kira edit this presentation

Spoilers for Canto 9 btw

[vagrant dove]

Slandering Matthias... is the reason this heart still beats!

[vagrant dove]

Adding onto what others have said, envy's a very reactive Sin (hence the Middle's universal envy counters) and Will You Play is based on the input you give in the flipped rock paper scissors game: most notably getting upset with you if you assume she's lying/go for a tie and kicking you out of it's world

I think Will You Play is also quite heavily tied to the Middle and syndicates in general with their arcane rules, honestly, especially with that starting event line about this being its turf and therefore you playing by its rules (at pain of dire consequences)

[split beacon]

Will You Play’s envy tie, for me, is in observation and expectation if that makes sense

One of the things about Envy in Limbus is that it persistently is about resentment, yearning for connection, magnetizing friction that causes people to hurt each other even if they want to get along

Will You Play is about expecting trust and the pain that comes when others don’t reciprocate

(Which is why Outis gets the EGO)

It’s a “childish” abnormality, the first and most basic form of betrayal people experience when trying to open up to others - a lack of trust in response

[atomic steeple]

Insightful

[split beacon]

There’s a running theme that a lot of the most Envy-oriented characters are the ones who seek connection (like Lust-aligned characters) but cannot get it or are hurt in their pursuit of connection or are bound to others by pain and betrayal

Heathcliff, The Middle at large, Iori…

[vagrant dove]

Also that yeah

[vagrant dove]

Thorns are associated with it for a reason, after all

[split beacon]

If Lust is to grasp, to want to hold onto others and change things to fit your desire, Envy is to yearn and be pained by that yearning

It’s funny that people think Heathcliff is Iori’s son

[atomic steeple]

Moses also associated it with neurosis

[vagrant dove]

In terms of other envy-associated abnos, Hurting Teddy Bear is probably one of the best examples of a similiar yearning for connection mixed with being bound by pain (the hex nails)

I really like that abno because Rodya, Faust and Sinclair having it is like

so much analysis you can do there

especially around Rodya's corrosion

With the whole idea of repressing herself and putting on the Smile to avoid things getting too real and the corrosion representing that by having her literally be puppeted by HTB and forced to smile

[stoic fjord]

She is notably genuinely hurt in a very wet cat vibes kind of way when Dante believes she would genuinely betray them

[split beacon]

It implies she wants deeper connection than that but is hurt by her compulsive need to smile through it and not get real with people

Oh Rodya you poor creature

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[stoic fjord]

Rodion my scrunkly baby 🥺

[cosmic gorge]

The faust corrosion is pretty fucking creepy

Like we know hongler's corrosions involve a lot of torn stomachs

So
Yeah

[stoic fjord]

A lot of the corrosions are concerning

[vagrant dove]

Combine that with Rodya's Indicant's Trial+ Pursuance EGOs (sense that she needs to be punished, general guilt around calling down the wrath of the middle on her neighbours) ¹ and the Fourth Match Flame EGO and like

My poor rodya...

¹ although it's also important to note that, for all she hides it behind the Silly, Rodya is very concerned with justice.

[dusty sigil]

I wonder how corroding feels

I bet it feels great

[hybrid lynx]

i'd like to personally try getting corroded by each and every single EGO

fuck i should make a ranking of "best to worst experience of corrosion" tier list

[vagrant dove]

On this topic I think Hongler's Tarnished Blood is like

Definitely up there in highly concerning

[split beacon]

I kind of wonder if Corrosion feels like a release or if it's like being taken over by the abnormality the EGO is extracted from

[stoic fjord]

From what we see, my assumption is distortion adjacent

[vagrant dove]

Given how explicit it is about deserved punishment and honglers self hatred

My assumption is uh

[lean fjord]

What was Rodya's main sin during the Check Up?
Pride right?

[vagrant dove]

Corrosion leads to an amplification of the emotion that attaches you to the EGO

Which is reflected in the physical world as you grow closer to the abnormality (with your own personal spin)

[lean fjord]

The Schmidt Pain Index of corrosion

[vagrant dove]

Gloom or gluttony

[hybrid lynx]

it's worth noting that i am very skewed in my perception

[vagrant dove]

Both would fit

[dusty sigil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MuDXO7wme3M?si=3Pg_RKmqVEO-Z2CS

[vagrant dove]

Gluttony because no matter how much she does indulge herself-

And gloom because well,

My poor goat.

She WILL revolutionarymog the yurodivye, trust

[eternal berry]

Iirc what we’ve seen it can get pretty insidious; when you’re resisting it you hear the voice of the Abnormality, but as it seeps into your own ego, you lose awareness how your emotions and consciousness are changing

I don’t think it’s been explored super much how it feels anything to be overwhelmed in a moment

[golden meadow]

Please Kim, i need this... my rodya's kinda upscale-less, she getting mogged by the other sinners...

[golden meadow]

it's probably similar to how distortionees interact with ||Carmen||

[uneven canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/ymakira.bsky.social/post/3mefr5gx27223

斿明Akira (@ymakira.bsky.social)

#Limbus_Company

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[vagrant dove]

I do need Sonya's whole philosophy around "special people" (i.e those with the Mark or otherwise) to be thrown back in his face

So unironically KJH I need you KJH

[stoic fjord]

Rodion needs to lock the fuck in without any special shit

just pure aura and rodion power

[uneven canopy]

underselling herself for a woman who helped elect a new Wing Head

[vagrant dove]

She's been Going Through It

We need girlboss victories

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-quite-incredible-rodion-limbus-rodion-limbus-company-gif-8975062612226986566

[stoic fjord]

Glazing Rodion... is the reason this heart still beats!!

[vagrant dove]

Canto 10 trust

I do wonder how Sunset Wayfarer links to Rodion, I did see someone with a pretty good theory about it representing bittersweet memory and the beauty of liminal spaces

So somewhat less concerning than her other EGO, if true

[keen palm]

Is Ricardo out yet?

[stoic fjord]

in ~7 hours

[fickle crown]

Ishmael actively describes it as feeling fucking terrible

Basically you're not just being overridden, the abno is eating your fucking soul

[vagrant dove]

While turning into a dragon is cool, I do not want Tears of the Tarnished Blood personally, I don't think that EGO is the healthiest

[hybrid lynx]

the pain itself is the reason why/ref

[vagrant dove]

Hoeever my concerns evaporate when I see cool suits, so I'd go for solemn lament just for the fit tbh

[dusty sigil]

I thought he comes out during the sweeping BokGak?

[stoic fjord]

...isn't that today? this update?

[dusty sigil]

It is?

[vagrant dove]

Tommorow for me

[dusty sigil]

But we’re not done with the previous event

We still have 14 days

[keen palm]

Yeah, that happens

[lean fjord]

they're gonna overlap

[split beacon]

reward exchange period ho

[dusty sigil]

Oh

[stoic fjord]

overlap can happen

[dusty sigil]

I thought it was only one event per

[vagrant dove]

I'm almost done with uh

[dusty sigil]

Huh

[stoic fjord]

no that's after I believe

[vagrant dove]

The Intervallo

In terms of rewards

[lean fjord]

I have most of the stuff from Twining, mostly missing the XP tickets

[split beacon]

nah yeah we can and will get situations where you can get multiple event reward currencies per stage

[vagrant dove]

I do need to do the rufo boss

[split beacon]

it's great

[dusty sigil]

Oh great

So I can still get all the rewards from twinning threads then?

[stoic fjord]

yuh

[dusty sigil]

Great

[atomic steeple]

Honestly, I don't think the criteria for the fights in Check Up was characters' main sin

Considering all the varied connections you can see characters have to other sins

That feel just as important

[dusty sigil]

Yah, if it was their main sin then we wouldn’t have had Hong Lu and Sinclair in wrath

[keen palm]

I haven't gotten any of the cosmetic things for the event

but I got all the resources

[dusty sigil]

Since Hong Lu is lust and gloom and Sinclair is pride and gluttony

[vagrant dove]

Yeah I don't think it's the main sin, just a way to explore different aspects of their characters

[lean fjord]

it's what I usually do

just don't care enough to grind for the cosmetics generally

[vagrant dove]

Outis can be both Gloom and Gluttony because she's far from home and nothing can really fill that void(nothing is like home, after all) and weighed down by past sins

But her main sin would be pride

[atomic steeple]

I really hope they do envy peccatula class 3 and up in a fun way

[fickle crown]

Envy Peccatula class 3 is probably just "it has ALEPH EGO lmao"

[atomic steeple]

Callisto meets Nothing There
||https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1syo31l/corporist_dream/||

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lye6YA7LAis

[faint pivot]

Actually pretty peam

[faint pivot]

That's not quite how the abno event frames it

When you choose rock to her scissors, the narrator comments on your desire to win

Which causes you to get fucked over

Conversely when you choose paper to her scissors, Dante frames the choice as "playing along with the kid"

So I think it's less about assuming she'll lie and moreso about giving others a chance

She gives you one, even, by healing your sinners with Envy if you choose Scissors Rock

[dusty sigil]

Ohhhh

Yah I missed that

[faint pivot]

Oh oops

She heals Envy sinners on Rock

But either way Will You Play extends you an olive branch

[dusty sigil]

Though the Outis quotes do frame it as a trick

[atomic steeple]

Carmen: Dante, chill out. That's just a kid

[atomic steeple]

Library of ruina good ending spoilers
Moirai on the quest for ||her husband Yan||
||https://www.rxddit.com/r/libraryofruina/comments/n0zb0o/3000_leagues_in_search_of_yan_by/||

[faint pivot]

Yea this is still a game you aren't told the rules of

[faint pivot]

Ty for the spoiler warning, won't check this yet

[atomic steeple]

Oh thought you had finished ruina

Or knew the ending

[vagrant dove]

||unfortunately for Moirai he's sleeping for a total of 800 hours per day||

[atomic steeple]

Roflmao

[faint pivot]

But seeing how she takes her loss pretty well as a liar by omission (giving you her doll), I'd say Will You Play just skipped a step and thought this was a fair game (like Angela did with her library)

[faint pivot]

Nay

Well

[vagrant dove]

genuinely excited for when we get his id btw

[faint pivot]

I have bits and an image of at least one of them

[vagrant dove]

i love ||Yan's|| story sm

[faint pivot]

But idk which one it's from

[atomic steeple]

Will you play is stacking the deck, but also wants you to indulge in playing with her instead of trying to win
If you try to win you lose, if you let her win you win

[faint pivot]

...unless you're The Middle

Then you benefit from the warped rules

[vagrant dove]

it's amazing what ruina does with like, not a lot of time

in terms of character work

I think it's mainly because they all slot into broader storywide themes which allows a lot to be done in a few story sections

[atomic steeple]

I think maybe the theme could be that Will you play is showing a vulnerability/weakness, and you can either approach in good faith to play with her/show weakness yourself, or try to exploit it to crush her just to win a kid's game

[dusty sigil]

From @ innodinotte

[faint pivot]

Let's just ignore our dearest fixer downing half the bottle

[atomic steeple]

Opens limbus fic
Dante with he/him
Closes limbus fic

[vagrant dove]

i think this is one of my favourite pages on the wiki lmao

i don't know why people don't like

read

[atomic steeple]

Stubborness, entitlement, bigotry

Also probably a chunk who fear they'd be "cringe" if they were seen respecting enby pronouns

[ebon forge]

36 00 ids to level...

[fickle crown]

Ngl, Callu with the Hook office facade actually feels downright sadistic given he's just taking his time with the claws now

Also the exact moment Rufo realized she lost lmao

Gotta say, that bleed stack was perfection

I will say, he can actually solo Fauvists since he has actual crowd control and defib exists

[cosmic gorge]

Hmm, facaded

[fickle crown]

Also Multicrack Heath's passive works on him

[fickle crown]

Yeah

[cosmic gorge]

Does fell bullet work better at uptie 4 in terms of aor

Aoe

[fickle crown]

Not sure

I don't use it often enough

[cosmic gorge]

Ive been doing his combo with awryo and feel udnerwhelemed

Shes ut4 hes ut3

[fickle crown]

From what I can tell UT4 gives his S3 a heftier buff

[cosmic gorge]

Mmhmm

I really should ut4 my ids

[fickle crown]

Also ngl, it feels fucked up watching facaded Hook Lu take his time with his victims

[cosmic gorge]

Ut4 kkheath is a beast

[fickle crown]

"I'm not gonna make it fast this time, enjoy getting slowly torn apart" kinda facade

[cosmic gorge]

You are giving a backstreets serial killer a SotC's power level what do you think was gonna happen dawg

[fickle crown]

Idk, he'd be faster about it

Also it is a damn shame we didn't get a Hook office ID for Ryoshu

Just

Man...

I kinda hope she comes as a facade only thing because I wouldn't be bothered at all by that

Also I just gotta say like

Hook Lu has extremely fluid motions for like

I think a season 1 ID???

[faint pivot]

2 since that's when Walps started

But yea

[fickle crown]

Like his S2 is CLEAN

I'm happy we have facades because I actually love this ID

Also NANOMACHINES???

I'm fucking around but this is kinda funny to me

I am also an idiot because I didn't realize at the time that he also happened to have an unopposed attack

[stoic fjord]

Agreed, I need facades that are purely just skins