Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[faint pivot]

Actually wait

Maybe she trained a whole buncha people like how she trained ||Ryo, and to much less success, effectively gimping their effectiveness? Perhaps those under her charge also got promoted alongside her and worked together to oust her from her position||

[atomic steeple]

Me as a kid seeing a sorta bully like a tv series whose protagonist suffers bullying at first

[faint pivot]

||She did the equivalent of telling a minor off for watching a snuff film, before defending herself cause that kiddo wanted to practice what she learned||. If this is a brand of gatekeeping let it be so lmao

[ebon forge]

tbh gatekeeping is kinda a good thing sometimes

like

[neat cedar]

I wouldn't even call Don a gate keeper so much as like

getting annoyed at the hypocrisy

[ebon forge]

don is like, she likes the fixers and she likes her liking it

[faint pivot]

She's giving the parental guidance those tv advisories tell you to give your kids when watching PG programs

[neat cedar]

||her issue wasn't so much that Kira didn't quite understand the idea of fixers as much as her beign so obssesssed while doign what she does||

[ebon forge]

yeah

[neat cedar]

i mean i don't even think that was the reason

[faint pivot]

This too ofc

[ebon forge]

idea

[faint pivot]

You outlined the reason yeah, I was outlining the like

Medium?

Method?

[ebon forge]

what if in md you could turn negative coins positive if you stack enough

[faint pivot]

Thing she did acting upon that reason

[atomic steeple]

MIsogyny was invented in the city to apply to One woman

Kimblee ass guy

Librarian ryoshu: ||Hey, angela. Can you use a reception to rescue my daughter?||

[tiny cave]

Sorry the receptions are only for ||rescuing Ayin’s daughter||

[faint pivot]

I can't remember, did ||Rien have his own theme, or does he use Sora's?||

[atomic steeple]

Transfem heathcliff

[mystic ermine]

He has his own

[mystic ermine]

I fear it caps at -0, see MDE "will punch you hurtily"

[ebon forge]

it does lol

hence

what if

[faint pivot]

What's the number

[mystic ermine]

Number?

[faint pivot]

Wait I'm dumb

We don't see the OST numbers in-game

I'll look it up

[atomic steeple]

Implying ruina isn't gay

[faint pivot]

Pal casually breezes past every single threat we've faced thus far

[mystic ermine]

Can anyone remember the node where ||Lei Heng talks to Ryoshu?||
The number, I mean

[faint pivot]

We only stood a chance thanks to the window of opportunity Ro spotted

[atomic steeple]

I had some transfem joke analysis of the Metamorphosis weeks ago

I'm glad I found this lmao. "I'm straight but"

[faint pivot]

9-47

[mystic ermine]

Ty

[atomic steeple]

Found it! Transfem gregor!

[tiny cave]

the gebura and binah ones are accurate to the playerbase of those floors

[atomic steeple]

Gebura fans generate positive emotions when dying
Gebura is very confused

[tiny cave]

there's a reason its a mountain of smiling bodies

[atomic steeple]

Tiphereth has zero fans

[tiny cave]

that floor is dysfunctional until you do the realization

then after that its just annoying

[atomic steeple]

I'd pick natural sciences for the books and magical girls then go hang out with hod and binah

[ebon forge]

imagine if in md you could have a 45 SP nclair be stronger than baseclair

or a 45 SP Sunshower beating everyone up

also

is it just me or are the faustcord like

all fucking assholes

like, jesus christ, faust made mephi

and is also the most accomplished of all the fausts

she has the most boughs, which is your fucking goal????

like, sure, maybe this faust has less information as a whole

but consider that she's the one who actually uses it instead of wasting time gatekeeping like an asshole

fuck you faust

not you though, fau

[atomic steeple]

What. Just, what

[mystic ermine]

What even

[unique bane]

What does it say about me that i've played almost all of these

[mystic ermine]

Would yoh believe me if I said I did yoo

Too*

[faint pivot]

Hilarious how it fucking morphs halfway through the meme

[atomic steeple]

Beautifull art. Canto 9 spoilers
||https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qdm2q0/araya_ukiyoe/||

[quaint cliff]

It’s Meursault yeah

https://youtu.be/tF_15Fob59E

[faint pivot]

Do we think this is the only world where (9-45 spoilers) ||Gregsy is so potent? Like yeah he's got some badasses in Pregor and Allegory but...to be A Wing's Decisive Weapon surely isn't something anyone can do...||

God

[faint pivot]

|| ```Feeling the air stir and shudder
Hearing those wingbeats fill the endless corridor
Seeing the Guide engulfed in a dark flickering mist, struggling even as he gives it his all
I can't help but imagine a smile on the sickos who tortured this poor soul to life

[tiny cave]

god i wish i was penetrating valencina instead of greg

i mean uhh what

[atomic steeple]

What, you don't like our depressed bug girl?

Funny, ||sonya eager for rodya to do anything||
Canto 9 ending spoilers

[faint pivot]

We're getting there, I can feel it

Outie's canto for Ro, perhaps

By the way

[atomic steeple]

Dunno if I should have cut out usernames or not

[faint pivot]

Siccing Kiramael, and presumably Kira herself, on clearing out whole feature lists of up and coming fixer offices is downright diabolical

[vagrant dove]

IS THAT THE BITE OF '85?!

[mystic ermine]

LMAO

[dusty sigil]

Chat, other then ones we know ||Rien got a prescript and Matthias killed his brothers and sisters for that relic sword he uses|| what reasons do y’all think the nursefathers lost favor in their respective fingers to end up in the house of spiders?

[mystic ermine]

First
Please spoiler some parts of that
Second
Hm...
Thumb: ||gave an overconfident order or was high on post war glory and was snappy to the capo de capei, therefore being demoted||
Index: ||probably no such thing as favour - but perhaps Rien even debating if he should defy the prescripts as he watched was enough for Hermes to send him to the House||
Middle: ||you kinda said it, I think thats it - ah, that, and I hope that the "what's a little sacrifice for the family" is only a him thing||
Ring: ||maybe... uh... I... dont know? Nobody seems to have ever understood him, so perhaps he was simply cast out due to his quirkines||
Pinky: ||might have been the spark of the entire thing since she is the person who has affinity with the blade||

[stoic fjord]

Callisto I think is too desperate for validation and appraisal when he's not really supposed to care about that as a ring Maestro

His art form is empty

[eternal berry]

||OG Dihui Star never lost favor in the traditional sense, it’s (partly) why she’s resentful of the situation. She did nothing wrong and got swept up into the bullshit thanks to a property they needed||

[vagrant dove]

||Valencina definitely overstepped and broke the thumb's codes of conduct somehow, she seems like the type to have power go to her head||

[stoic fjord]

His technique is impressive, but he effectively just makes the same thing over and over

Even by the Ring's standards, he is not an artist for art's sake

[eternal berry]

Yeah, ||Callisto probably created one piece that showed enough promise, but then stagnated and couldn’t innovate. A Maestro must lead their movement, not just reproduce one good piece in dozens of variations. He crutches on pure technical ability and minute detailing, but his interpretations are surface-level||

[dusty sigil]

From @ co_duck07

[dusty sigil]

(9-45 spoilers) from @ landobristly

[gentle mulch]

||Kira||

[atomic steeple]

I need more ||emperor gregor content||

I can only imagine ||what his fursther stages are||

Saw a theory ||each finger of his ego represents part of his power plus a faction in the soke war, thus one finger releasing smoke||

[cloud wadi]

his like

poster at the start of the game

if you look closely

he's like a godzilla sized giant

striding across the city

people looking like cockroaches at his feet

[atomic steeple]

Yeah
Fun fact. Having never noticed that, all the way back in canto 8 I suggested Gregor turn into a bug kaiju this canto

Whole canto 9 humorously summed up, also cute
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNGyW_fKRI||

[stoic fjord]

MD7 when

[gentle mulch]

||riens you forgot to unfreeze me line is so fucking good.||

[dusty sigil]

A billion years

[stoic fjord]

||I'm going to imagine that every single roach around emperor greg is Pablo and that Pablo is actually a hivemind of every single cockroach in the City||

[dusty sigil]

||the evil and sinister Pablo||

[stoic fjord]

||The just and kind Pablo||

[hybrid lynx]

||it's not every roach. it's just that every roach that IS pablo is drawn to ungezeifer kaiser on instinct||

[stoic fjord]

Another good hypothesis

[hybrid lynx]

||also i just figured out a better metaphor for gregor's "gift" than it just being more wrapping||

||it's the box inside the wrapping||

[stoic fjord]

||what if it's intentional and this genuinely is another layer of wrapping and we aren't even at the box||

[atomic steeple]

Gregor ||needs the estrogen knife to cut the wrapping||

[hybrid lynx]

||AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA||

[dusty sigil]

||Has Hermann ever called Gregor son or just child?||

[atomic steeple]

The metamorphosis has such trans vibes

[hybrid lynx]

yeag

[dusty sigil]

waking up in a body you hate that you feel crippled in but have to continually exist in?

[atomic steeple]

It will never happen in limbus company but I will headcanon gregor as a woman

[worthy haven]

9-51 spoiler

[stoic fjord]

In the skill, son

[atomic steeple]

Not sure

[dusty sigil]

Ah damn

[stoic fjord]

And I think that'd be a direct quote

[dusty sigil]

Transphobic Hermann theory true?

[stoic fjord]

Hermann is transphobic

SAME BRAIN

[dusty sigil]

Just like carol holiday…

[atomic steeple]

Also, he describes workers he envies as living like harem women
The two important pictures are gregor as a soldier in the past, and a beautiful woman
Grete acts as a counterpart of gregor

[dusty sigil]

I didn’t know that part of the metamorphosis

[stoic fjord]

If i had a nickel for every sinner missing an important female figure to them from the source literature in Limbus company, I'd have like

3 nickels

[dusty sigil]

Who?

[atomic steeple]

The Midnight Pals (a sort of story of writers gathering together) had a running gag of franz kafka being trans but in the closet

[hybrid lynx]

who for each?

[stoic fjord]

Meursault, Dante, Gregor

I think

[hybrid lynx]

i mean Meur's canto's up next so you never know

Dante however is interesting

[lean fjord]

I do find it fun how Sonya still wears his own uniform, unlike all the others with N Corp

[vagrant dove]

The nameplate's also a different colour

which is very interesting

[lean fjord]

He's just not fitting in as much

[worthy haven]

For him its also very much a tool to the end of his own goals right

[vagrant dove]

he forgot to check the new league of nine group chat to see what everyone would be wearing to the board meeting, clearly

[worthy haven]

and hermann does talk to him on a more equal level looking back to canto 2

[vagrant dove]

but seriously yeah, Sonya def has his own agenda

[uneven canopy]

all of the top ranks get their own custom fits...

[lean fjord]

Definitely yeah

[dusty sigil]

Yah, he’s a partner, not an employee

[stoic fjord]

Inb4 bug yurodivy

[dusty sigil]

I think it’d be really funny if the next time the sinners meet Ricardo they’re not even worried or scared anymore

Because at this point we’ve beaten people way stronger then him

[split beacon]

yeah but we also don't have the support of the LCA, LCD, LCE, or Vergilius on tap

[dusty sigil]

Yah but I think the sinners deserve a little confidence after that canto

At the very least ||we beat Rien on our own and that dude was a star of the city||

[split beacon]

true, we did just kinda show up and beat that guy

local star of the city defrauded by a bunch of random assholes
nearby Index Proxy says: "frankly I think Hermes threw because it's funny"

[dusty sigil]

Lol

[lean fjord]

||It was kinda funny how Rien's skills were mostly pretty weak numerically, but the level difference made them still scary to us ||

[dusty sigil]

This is because he only gets prescripts to fight people weaker then him

Because the will of the city knows he’ll lose to any equals

[lean fjord]

Also admittedly, he was ranked Star at some point
Unclear if he still is

And ||I'm also fairly sure he didn't exactly give it his all that fight, not helped by that big burn wound either ||

[dusty sigil]

||Oh yah the horrible burn scars are probably the actual reason why he was beatable||

||but he’s now a target for slander that isn’t Vergilius so I gotta maintain the agenda||

[eternal gull]

they should add stunned+ to lancer as well

for shits and giggles

[dusty sigil]

Lancer tremor…

[vagrant dove]

This slander is so good I could DIE

[split beacon]

oh yeah it was probably the actively smoldering burn

[dusty sigil]

Also like, ||based off his fate in the end I wouldn’t be surprised if the will of the city was acting against him||

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[split beacon]

Hermes throws!

He thinks it's funny and he throws for content!

[dusty sigil]

||the house of spiders had already failed by then, Ryoshu recovered and did not become the blade which cuts all, Rien keeping her there wouldn’t actually do anything, she would never cut something for him again||

[lean fjord]

|| "Rien you have to recite this poem to complete your cosplay" ||
|| "bruh, I'm about to die, I ain't doing all that" ||

[dusty sigil]

||The second Araya had fused with her sheath, his execution for failing the prescript was already set in stone||

||It was merely a matter of who and when||

||and as it turns out, it’d be in the middle of nowhere and himself||

[dusty sigil]

||The will of the city has got a sick sense of humor I’ll give it that||

[vagrant dove]

A fraudulent man will have fraudulent gods

But agendaposting aside I also think ||Rien had directly failed the Prescript, which is why the Proxies were after him and why he chooses to go out on his own terms||

||the first and last action really taken of his own will||

[lean fjord]

||I mainly think he got hunted down by lots of Proxies to further his Roland cosplay even more tbh ||

it's what's supposed to happen in that ending after all

[dusty sigil]

||Honestly the Roland cosplay is so neat because like, it’s the events of Roland’s life without any of the actual pathos that made him the man that he is||

||Losing your family to tragedy doesn’t mean anything when that family didn’t mean anything||

[vagrant dove]

||yeah it's so- empty, much like Rien himself.||

||there's no realization for him either, no development.||

[dusty sigil]

||I honestly think that’ll be the downfall of the index itself one day||

||Emotions are power in the city, quite literally now through EGO and shin||

[split beacon]

100% agree with this I was just shitposting

[dusty sigil]

||But members of the index cannot harness this power, prescripts cannot give them the emotions needed||

[vagrant dove]

Yeah I was responding to your shitposting with my own dw

[dusty sigil]

Actually, ||does Rien even use shin during his fight?||

[vagrant dove]

That second bit was just me chiming back into the convo at large

[split beacon]

He does

[dusty sigil]

Ah

[vagrant dove]

He does

[lean fjord]

he does use it yeah

[dusty sigil]

Well damn

[lean fjord]

||he uses Mang too ||

[split beacon]

it's not surprising to me that Rien can feel though

[hybrid lynx]

||if a prescript were to require someone to manifest shin, it wouldnt work. especially with a proxy||

[split beacon]

rather the issue is that there's no like

principles on top of that

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[split beacon]

his feelings don't mean anything because he has no beliefs or rules for himself

[vagrant dove]

He completely subjugates himself to the Will of The City

[split beacon]

his life is, ironically, completely without structure or purpose

[vagrant dove]

Which is why I'd bet good money he could never really manifest an EGO of his own

[split beacon]

also his Shin manifestation is exclusively for amplifying his damage

he can't protect himself with it

Strange quirk.

[broken kelp]

||it's fitting and funny for him to leave another story unfinished||

[cloud wadi]

Which is hilarious

That ||matthias can’t even do what Rien could||

[dusty sigil]

||Knowing Matthias, I’m positive it’s less because he couldn’t and more because he doesn’t want to||

[cloud wadi]

Why spend the effort

[dusty sigil]

||he’s a very aesthetic person, and augmentations and relic weapons are a hell of a lot cooler then some fancy golden aura||

[cloud wadi]

When you can spend cash

Not so ||aesthetic a person that he orders takeout rather than eating exclusively instant ramen||

Only one other person I know would do that and she’s a yellow dinosaur and poor

[unique bane]

||i do think it's telling he only has one ring though. most other characters with shin and mang have more than one. lei heng had one but that was because he was new to those powers and didn't entirely understand them yet||

[vagrant dove]

The takeout thing ||really coalesced my opinion on Matthias' parenting even before the Incident, because it's a very clear sign that he understands that he needs to feed Kira, but isn't interested in cooking for her, much like he isn't really interested in properly training her or fulfilling her emotional needs.||

[cloud wadi]

Yep

[unique bane]

||or in preventing her from getting sick||

[vagrant dove]

||she's a thing to him that he can throw away when he gets bored, not an actual dependant person||

[cloud wadi]

Yeah like says so himself

He loves his toys

But he gets bored easily

And when he gets bored he smashes his toys

[split beacon]

he didn't really teach her much either did he

[cloud wadi]

She seems self taught for the most part

[split beacon]

her moves don't resemble his at all and are full of weird flourishes

[vagrant dove]

His "teaching style" seems to be just showing off his moves to her as evidenced by the passives

[cloud wadi]

Because she’s copying moves from Murim fixer shows

[vagrant dove]

There's no instruction on form or how to acrually perform anything

[cloud wadi]

And other moves she finds cool

[split beacon]

not murim, it's DEFINITELY toku

[vagrant dove]

Like say, the Night Drifter provides

[cloud wadi]

With no actual foundation

[split beacon]

the Night Drifter is an asshole but he's an asshole who has some motion

he knows how to teach

Matthias is just a useless lump

[cloud wadi]

And like

[vagrant dove]

Like judging by her passives she doesn't even really understand the tenets of the middle- see her Middle Never Forgets thing

[cloud wadi]

The fact that Kira is strong as she is

Kinda shows that she does have genuine talent

[vagrant dove]

So he was probably teaching her Jack And Shit

[split beacon]

well also we see straight up that Matthias's teaching method involves "just use augments to get strong enough to do that move"

[cloud wadi]

He was paying for her augments

Yeah

He’s like

[split beacon]

you know

I really do think Kira's gonna learn some moves from Kim now

[cloud wadi]

“Oh to do that move you’ll need new legs and a few more tattoos”

Oh hey cause for having new legs

He does care for her

[split beacon]

a sicko teacher in need of students, and a sicko student in need of teachers...

[dusty sigil]

I mean yah ||but hes clearly at least somewhat concerened with looking cool and badass||

[split beacon]

their interests are aligned

[cloud wadi]

Yeah it’s what I figure

Bamboo hatted kim wants new students

And here’s a sword user in need of a new master

[vagrant dove]

I think that's why I dislike him so much apart from the ||Incident, because unlike say, valencina, he looks like the fun dad, who cares! He lets her read her favourite comics and buys takeout, but that's all a superficial mask to hide the fact he doesn't actually care about her development as a person||

[cloud wadi]

Who also shares his interest in hoping for vengeance for betrayal

[split beacon]

Aeng-Du is actually gonna be psyched

[vagrant dove]

I really like how shitty all the nursefathers are in their own unique ways, it's so well done

[cloud wadi]

Between ||Aeng du and Kira his students have a full set of working limbs too||

[split beacon]

legendary blade fiend dapp up

nah Dias has limb money

[vagrant dove]

Yeah please get her under the instruction of someone who cares for their students KJH, I beg of you

REBUILD THE BLADE LINEAGE AND MY LIFE IS YOUES

[cloud wadi]

Yeah but imagine if they can go voltron

[dusty sigil]

combined, they can be stronger then ever before

[cloud wadi]

I wonder if Hohenheim was supposed to die here in ||second smoke war timeline||

Alyssa almost got ||turned into a fancy entomological display twice over the course of a week||

[split beacon]

a display of bugs?

[lean fjord]

because moth I think

[split beacon]

I mean I guess it's kinda like pinning an insect and dissecting it

[uneven canopy]

||should've listened to her doctor||

[vagrant dove]

||I think that's more Valencina's thing than Callisto's, given the... conversation she has with Gregor||

[cloud wadi]

Valencina became|| part of an entomological display…||

[split beacon]

||Valencina wouldn't know proper procedure if it ate her alive||

[worthy haven]

I do think its very funny

||that basically valencina, matthias are here cause they got kicked out via really bad actions while callisto seemingly got kicked out cause his art is boring and outdated to the ring||

[split beacon]

that's the same thing though

[worthy haven]

true i suppose

[vagrant dove]

I mean, by Ring Standards that's practically the same thing

[cloud wadi]

I think ||he may also have been either picked out by Rien as vengeance or by the index to torture Rien further ||

But uh yeah

Ring literally kills people for being boring

[worthy haven]

ye i didnt think fully through this thought!

[cloud wadi]

Honestly exiling him to a corner gallery is a sign of preferential treatment

[split beacon]

you know he was stripped of his Maestroship too yeah

[worthy haven]

||My brain is to scrambled by the Faust that is Helen of Troy||

[split beacon]

he calls himself a Maestro when he literally isn't one

[lean fjord]

yeah they all have their rank tags crossed out

[cloud wadi]

A maestro of a movement consisting of himself is no maestro at all

[vagrant dove]

Well he has Albina

[worthy haven]

||Raising my fist at KJH for making me read Faust part 2 again 😭 ||

[lean fjord]

except Rien

[split beacon]

Callisto is literally a hack fraud waiting his days out pretending he's not washed

[worthy haven]

well

the thing with rien is that he isnt an index proxy right

[lean fjord]

yeah

[cloud wadi]

Also

[split beacon]

he's a Proxy of the Oracle whatever that fucking means

[cloud wadi]

It seems like multiple gods may be behind Index

[worthy haven]

which is also weird cause

[vagrant dove]

But his influence ends up practically turning her into a copy of him. She becomes as stagnant as he is, a student unable to surpass her teacher

[worthy haven]

Hermes isnt really associated with oracles right?

[split beacon]

Hermes Trismegistus

[cloud wadi]

It’s noted that different gods of the city manifest their voice in different way

[worthy haven]

fate type shit

[cloud wadi]

Hermes manifests his voice through radio

[worthy haven]

tbf!

we dont know that

[split beacon]

it's not fate type shit it's Hermeticism

[split beacon]

we do it's in the lore text

[vagrant dove]

Hermes does it by ||radio waves||

[worthy haven]

oh sry i mean

[lean fjord]

it is mentioned in the flavor, yeah

[cloud wadi]

So the god sending prescripts to pagers and god sending prescript to the loom may be different gods

[worthy haven]

ye that

[cloud wadi]

But the Greek god relationship with index does make me wonder if ||outis destroyed a loom equivalent||

Or if she has ties to the index

[vagrant dove]

Odysseus is directly assisted by Hermes in one of his escapades in the Odyssey

Which could be a thread they pull on

[cloud wadi]

And now she’s suffering 10000000 bad karma as a result

Just saying Poseidon might be an index god

[lean fjord]

possible yeah

[worthy haven]

oh wait i misremembered. The loom isnt the thing that "creates" the prescripts right? only the thing that makes them physical? or am i double confused

[uneven canopy]

how doe that relate to those weird greek medical abnos...

[lean fjord]

well it's unclear if there is a difference

[split beacon]

they're monsters that Odysseus ran into on the sea

[cloud wadi]

Loom translates vibrations into prescripts

[lean fjord]

the pendulum translates the vibrations of the City into writing

[worthy haven]

so we assume hermes "loom"-like then tranlsates vibrations into radio waves

[lean fjord]

we know that Outis was a veteran, based on the patch on her EGO jacket she was related to medics in some way, and she did some really messed up things during the war

so I suspect something bad happened in that hospital

[vagrant dove]

If I were to get a little out there, Poseidon is a god of earthquakes. I don't think he's related to the pendulum, but-

[vagrant dove]

Bioweaponry development, perhaps?

Possibly related to the Horse

We know Old G Corp was doing it

[cloud wadi]

Maybe outis one day received a prescript

“Do not go home until you recite the value of e”

[lean fjord]

we also still don't know which side Outis was on during the Smoke War right?

[cloud wadi]

The uh

The winning side

[vagrant dove]

The winning side, probably

[worthy haven]

ye

[cloud wadi]

Probably.

I’m guessing the Trojan Horse was also her wing’s Decisive Weapon

[worthy haven]

which meant she fought on the "side" of the thumb lol

[lean fjord]

the horse definitely happened in some way

[dusty sigil]

We know her and Moses were allies during it

[cloud wadi]

Implying the thumb weren’t fighting both sides smh

[dusty sigil]

And Moses was with the Udjat

[split beacon]

so actually

[lean fjord]

right

[split beacon]

hers is not the medicine patch

[dusty sigil]

Which was on the winning side

[lean fjord]

forgot about that

[dusty sigil]

So definitely the winning side

Probably either a Corp we don’t know about or the Udjat

I’m betting the Udjat

[lean fjord]

it's a caduceus yeah
which could mean something different

[vagrant dove]

Also I'm still obssessing over "Euryalus of the Argos Unit"

[split beacon]

her jacket's patch is a caduceus, not a staff of aesculapius

[vagrant dove]

The Illiad IS REAL

[lean fjord]

but it's also a common mistake to use them for each other, so I could see it either way

[split beacon]

representing negotiation and eloquence

nah nah

remember what Outis is good at?

interrogation

[cloud wadi]

Isn’t that Hermes’ symbol

[lean fjord]

hmm, true

she is an interrogator

[vagrant dove]

Odysseus is also renowed for his negotiation skills and skill with speaking in both the Odyssey and the Illiad

[split beacon]

yeah it is Hermes's symbol

[lean fjord]

it is, yes

[split beacon]

and yeah Odysseus was a guile hero who was known for being a clever bastard who thinks quick, talks quick, and wins before fighting starts

so Outis's caduceus is probably on purpose

[vagrant dove]

He's sort of directly contrasted to Achilles, who is the number one martial build among the greeks, to misappropriate DND terms

[cloud wadi]

Imagine if the big reveal is that Outis used to be an index proxy

[split beacon]

tbh if it's Outis

she'd have to be like

the Index Proxy

[cloud wadi]

Or the founder of the Index

[worthy haven]

nah

I think thats a bit uh to far?

[split beacon]

but she's also clearly a war veteran and that's her bag

[dusty sigil]

We now also know the thumb was on the winning side of the war, she probably wasn’t a member of it but it’s possible now

[cloud wadi]

Index are acausal in nature so she could have founded them in a future date 😛

[split beacon]

I suspect she found herself on the bad side of a Prescript one day, to permit her son's death

[worthy haven]

and I mean hermes doesnt seem to be like a widespread or even the main prescript giver of the index based on how the proxy reacted to rien

[vagrant dove]

I don't think she's a member of the Index, mainly because the uniform she has on in her "joining the Company" picture is very different

[split beacon]

and when she refused

the karmic backlash made sure she would never return home from that war

[cloud wadi]

She also talks about the Loom

[split beacon]

yo where

[cloud wadi]

When she’s locked in t corp prison

She shouts “I can’t stay here that long! The loom will finish working long before—“

[vagrant dove]

Or she could have done what the original Odysseus did, and offended the gods of the city enough by breaking something important to them during the fall of old L Corp, which led to the initial wanderings

[cloud wadi]

Or something along those lines

[lean fjord]

that's referring to Penelope presumably

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

Presumably.

[lean fjord]

though curious that Outis knows about that

[cloud wadi]

But it is also a potential index connection

[split beacon]

yeah that's almost certainly a Penelope ref

[cloud wadi]

Clearly Outis is already aware of a very important loom

[atomic steeple]

What do yiu all tgink the butterfly of entangled lives will be like in an encounter?

[cloud wadi]

Before she went out to war

[split beacon]

it's gonna tag team us with Yinglong

you're not ready

none of us are

[cloud wadi]

I summon blue eyes white dragon

[worthy haven]

I wonder if and how the connection between Faust and Outis will be since uh they both are connected via Helen of Troy although the Helen of Troy faust connection might/could be entirely through the Gesellschaft

[split beacon]

sacred treasure, swing and ring

[atomic steeple]

Pissed off Poseidon. Perhaps a god with index and wing connections

[split beacon]

with this sacred treasure I summon...!

THE EMPEROR OF VERMIN!

[lean fjord]

also curious if our Outis will still be a ruler

[cloud wadi]

Oh no

[lean fjord]

and if so, what does she rule over that she lost

[cloud wadi]

Honestly

Wing CEO

Is probably the safest bet for Outis

[split beacon]

you know, Gregor really can hit an "I'm gonna lose? Nah, we gonna lose"

[keen palm]

Outis is the CEO of I Corp

calling it now

[vagrant dove]

He has a lot of hidden talent

[keen palm]

Ithaca Corp

[vagrant dove]

||I hope it stays hidden for his sake honestly||

[cloud wadi]

We are gonna pretend that never happened

Even though he totally ate a person

[split beacon]

Mahoraga, the Opp Stoppa…

[cloud wadi]

We are just gonna move right on to

[vagrant dove]

||like the poor guy was AWARE during the transformation, enough for him to ask rodya and heath to kill him...||

[barren flame]

man i love Outis, what's their deal

[cloud wadi]

Hey I wonder if Vespa will follow us to n corp

[lean fjord]

Gregor is gonna feel so bad when this is all done

wonder if there will be an intervallo dealing with that

[vagrant dove]

I mean, I love angst and all, but man

My favourite bug failguy...

[worthy haven]

Man I am trying to figure out who all the Fausts are but I think I can only identify one

[cloud wadi]

I think they are all ||actually new Fausts or most of them all||

||they sound important, but none of the Faust ids that are inportant are big fans of the Geschellshaft hak hak hak||

[worthy haven]

oh no i mean like from via the Faust books

[cloud wadi]

Ah yeah

[worthy haven]

||||Lovely and Guileful Faust i am like 80% sure is Helen of Troy||

[cloud wadi]

Do you think we’ll just get 8 different Faust ids for her canto

[bronze zephyr]

God

[bronze zephyr]

Oh interesting

[worthy haven]

||"Classical Walpurgisnacht" is the term for the walpurgisnacht that happens in Faust part 2 where he meets like a ton of mythological creatures and goes to the underworld to meet helen of troy||

[bronze zephyr]

wild ok

N Corp Faust more like Fanatical Faust

[worthy haven]

||Augus and Dignified couuuuld be the the Kaiser/emperor from act 1 of part 2 (doesnt have a name since he was meant more allegorical||

||Rational and Brilliant Faust could be the Wagner. Fausts former apprentice that created the Homonculus or it could also be like Faust Faust||

[cloud wadi]

||Kaiser sounds August enough||

Lovely Faust could be ||helen of Troy||

[worthy haven]

ye i am 80% it is

||guileful also sounds helen of troy ish doesnt it||

[atomic steeple]

They might be separate Line bosses in railway

[worthy haven]

||Unbending, Proactive and Resourceful Faust I am really unsure about.||

[cloud wadi]

Imagine if the big reveal is that ||none of these Fausts actually designed Mephisto because Mephisto designed itself||

[worthy haven]

Could be

I mean that is the center of the problem with faust theorizing right

wtf is up with Mephistopheles

[cloud wadi]

It hungers for our soul

Well our enkephalin

But close enough

[worthy haven]

ye

[worthy haven]

||honestly it sounds very likely. Also do remember that Mephisto is the one who started the bet with God first. He is the one who started it||

[dusty sigil]

About Outis, honestly I think she may be the first sinner who’s worse morally then her book counterpart

[cloud wadi]

Oh

Wait

I see it now

||what if Carmen is speaking to Mephisto in the uptie events||

[worthy haven]

huh

[dusty sigil]

Since it’s likely that her actions led to the death of tens of thousands of people compared to Odysseus who only led to the sack of Troy

[cloud wadi]

As part of its|| bet against God||

[worthy haven]

that is a very cool thought

[dusty sigil]

Also her aptitude for torture techniques cannot come from a good place

[worthy haven]

||we also got that ominous warning from smokeclair right. Like with all of the things that happened he specifically left a warning for Faust right.||

[cloud wadi]

She does say physical torture is a waste and unprofessional though

Her teachings see to consist of actual police interrogation techniques

Meanwhile I like how Meursault can get people to spill their darkest secrets to him

By doing nothing

[dusty sigil]

Just a stare

That makes you wanna talk

Just to break the silence

[cloud wadi]

Just a vaguely disappointed “hmph”

[dusty sigil]

Also that’s true yah

[lean fjord]

He's just standing there... menacingly

Except not even menacing

[dusty sigil]

But yah I do kinda think compared to her literary counterpart Outis has done a lot worse then Odysseus

[dusty sigil]

More awkwardly

The strongest emotion

[bronze zephyr]

I should read Goethe’s Faust……

[keen palm]

I mean mathmatically we know Outis' bodycount of innocent civilians is like

an order of magnitutde higher

[dusty sigil]

Yah

[bronze zephyr]

Absolutely yeah

[keen palm]

That's what happens when the horse becomes a mecha

[dusty sigil]

Her projection moment in canto 7 immediately puts her body count far higher then Odysseus

[vagrant dove]

Given the difference in population between a nest and an ancient city, yeah

[dusty sigil]

Maybe even higher then the entire Trojan war

[vagrant dove]

She's probably killed a lot more

[cloud wadi]

The victors of the smoke war might have actually genocided everyone at old l nest huh

[dusty sigil]

Definite possibility

[worthy haven]

you should!

slight warning

Part 1 is very comprehensible

[dusty sigil]

G Corp has a lot of survivors at least

[worthy haven]

Part 2 is fucking whacky out of its ass

[dusty sigil]

They aren’t doing well

[bronze zephyr]

Ive read The Stranger and know the plot of the Odyssey

[dusty sigil]

But they’re alive

[bronze zephyr]

LMAO ok

[cloud wadi]

Old l nest was probably also uhh

Heavily contaminated with smoke

[bronze zephyr]

I wish we had names for old L Corp and the G Corps lmao

[worthy haven]

I am still fiending for anything about O corp

its like

the only corp that literally has never bean mentioned in writing anywhere

[bronze zephyr]

Oh lmao

[vagrant dove]

X corp is my personal "i want to know more"

[worthy haven]

oh ye x corp is high on the pole for sure

(well apart from z)

even Y corp kinda has a mention since rodion and sonya are from those backstreets

[cloud wadi]

Maybe they make Veils

[worthy haven]

maybe

the Veil keeps coming up

well "keeps"

[keen palm]

Wouldn't that be V Corp?

[worthy haven]

its has come up twice back to back now

[cloud wadi]

Kira appears to have|| Veil tech hoodie||

[worthy haven]

O for Omission

[cloud wadi]

So maybe we’ll finally get more info there

[worthy haven]

I am just hyped for Matthias Rodion

[cloud wadi]

Must be really ||good veil too to sneak up on Moses||

[vagrant dove]

It probably helped her get the jump on those fixer offices

That and her inherent skill

[cloud wadi]

She’s proof positive that money solves most issues in the city

[worthy haven]

ye

it fucking

obscured her from a colour and moses

[cloud wadi]

Wanna carve people up like Christmas turkey but don’t have the years to train the blade?

Just buy up some singularity enhanced weapons and tools

And this beleaguered office worker can suddenly go toe to toe with a maestro

[worthy haven]

prob

[split beacon]

Once she gets some training from the finest swordsmanship tutor in the land, Kira is going to be actually deviously strong

[worthy haven]

I cant wait for the confirmation that Kira imprinted on don

[split beacon]

She may not have been doing allat but she was using literally brute strength and latent talent and nothing else to fight

[neat cedar]

ilooe the theory

[gentle mulch]

well

she IS two letters off from...

[stoic fjord]

"We" being everyone in a 100 mile radius

[neat cedar]

that the prescripts actually made him give her ||his old name||

[gentle mulch]

The Strongest

and dont forget

[split beacon]

Excellent theory

Fantastic reasoning

[gentle mulch]

"i saw this on TV" techniques

[neat cedar]

I know some peeps are like "Why wasn't this canto all focused onnryoshu" but uh

[split beacon]

Come to think of it

[neat cedar]

Ryoshu

[split beacon]

Does Kira use Shin?

[neat cedar]

is not a complex character

[gentle mulch]

uhhh!

[neat cedar]

nor is Hellscreem a very, like, long story

[gentle mulch]

i dont think she does

[split beacon]

I think she manifested a drop or two of it for her finishing move

[stoic fjord]

Kira learns Swordplay of the Homeland and immediately upgrades to a SotC threat

[neat cedar]

not enough, clearly

but ye

[vagrant dove]

Don't let her learn the Kim combo of Yield My Flesh and To Claim Their Bones, she'll grow too strong /j

[neat cedar]

all of the aporentices clearly had talent

[gentle mulch]

even without ryoshu being complex, a large part of the Hellscreen-metastory-canto structure is like.
we don't need the artist to see the painting. every part of the nursefather's story informs Ryoshu's own story just as much

[stoic fjord]

Given her thing of losing 6 billion coin power

[neat cedar]

yerp

[stoic fjord]

She would genuinely be horrifying on the YMFTCTB shit

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[stoic fjord]

Losing every YMF

[neat cedar]

It also does a reallt fuckin good job

[gentle mulch]

like oh ||Matthias is willing to cut his own daughter in half for a win. what the fuck do you think this says about raising ryoshu?||

[stoic fjord]

Claiming all the bones

[neat cedar]

of incoporatingnthebstructure of hellscreen

into the mechabics of a video game

[vagrant dove]

Yeah I think we got enough of the Nursefather's interactions with Ryoshu through their apprentices

E.g Valencina and Lucio

[stoic fjord]

Mhm

[gentle mulch]

every "omg i wish ryoshu just talked the entire canto" take is just. cmon. you have to read between the lines to get the pull picture--just as ryoshu has to piece together her fragmented memories to make conclusions

like engage with what theyre presenting to you PLEASE

[neat cedar]

pretty much

[stoic fjord]

I think it's genuinely like. People do not know how to consume media without it saying everything to them directly

Like

[neat cedar]

still

[stoic fjord]

It's not even allegory

It's not even subtext

[neat cedar]

extremely funny to me

that frey

fell for the bias of the og text

[vagrant dove]

I do like the depth we got for Valencina (who to be clear is still a horrible awful person) in part 3

Like it's very evident the smoke war did not have a good impact on her psyche, despite what she says

[gentle mulch]

?

whatd frey do

[stoic fjord]

It's just making inferences based on readily available and heavily implied things

[neat cedar]

he read hellscreen

but didn't realize

[stoic fjord]

I don't watch any of the Limbus YouTubers besides the people who do solos and MDE runs because everyone else makes me mad

[neat cedar]

that the narrationnwas unreliable

they realized after

[stoic fjord]

Okay that's forgiven then

[neat cedar]

but duringnthe vid they're a bit more generous to the lord

[stoic fjord]

I understand that, I have made similar mistakes before

[gentle mulch]

smh my head classic blunder of the unreliable narrator

[neat cedar]

yeahbthey just were like

"well.he sounded so sure of himself?"

[gentle mulch]

lol

[stoic fjord]

Yeah fair enough

[gentle mulch]

i mainly only follow limbus content creators for like

keeping up with meta and

meat

[vagrant dove]

I watch a few generally after I've played

Not really invested in the meta much

[neat cedar]

i like Frey's analysis vids

[stoic fjord]

I watch for meta and MDE challenge runs and/or solos

I should check out Frey maybe

[gentle mulch]

oh and stupid memes

thats priority #1

[neat cedar]

and esgoo and ultranum.hare's and the zhrimp's mechanical breakdown vids

don't always agree

[vagrant dove]

I do watch some solos and the most fucking stupid memes though

[stoic fjord]

I watch Rie to watch her be incredibly bisexual about the characters

[worthy haven]

I watch tsunul and rie

[neat cedar]

Rie lose her damn mind

[vagrant dove]

I have a brainrot cover of Through Patches of Violet stuck in my head still

[neat cedar]

over fuckin ||sinclairnand greg||

[vagrant dove]

Rie, frey, welvader and a few of the smaller ones for me

[stoic fjord]

Her reactions are fun

[bronze zephyr]

Someone pointed out the ||sephirorh on Greg’s arm in One Day are the five powers Dante has rn||

[neat cedar]

fuckin

[neat cedar]

her replaying ||Greg's whimpers like 3 times||

woman, please

time and a place and that was neither /j

also can onjist say

lombus VAs

all.of them

[vagrant dove]

I mean if there was a cast to be bisexual about...

Limbus is up there

[neat cedar]

brought their fuckin A game

[gentle mulch]

yup

[worthy haven]

for sure

[vagrant dove]

(Speaking from experience)

[worthy haven]

the monotone sinclair voice was so good

[stoic fjord]

The Molar Outis thirst from her was insane

Like

Understandable

[worthy haven]

everything was so peak

[stoic fjord]

But also christ alive it's a PNG

[gentle mulch]

whats that one tweet that went along something like
||im never getting into limbus, and it's qrt'd with a post with reindeer rodion's like stress noises captioned "nevermind"||

[stoic fjord]

(Most hypocritical thing I've ever said)

[vagrant dove]

I remember watching her reaction to Xue Pan lmao

[gentle mulch]

no it was perfectly sane, any other reaction is abnormal

[hasnt seen it]

[neat cedar]

lol

[vagrant dove]

And the Netzach Incident

[neat cedar]

people tell me Limbus ism't a horny gacha

[gentle mulch]

it's just a different type of horny

[neat cedar]

simple do not know how freaky this commu ity is

i shudder to think

what kind of hoenheim aer is going to be made after this canto

side note

[split beacon]

Aura

That’s the kind of art

[vagrant dove]

Hohenheim aura gain

[neat cedar]

9-43 ||there is going to be a shit ton of sinclair self cest, and i hate that this is like, book.accurate in terms of vibes||

[bronze zephyr]

LMAO

[neat cedar]

Demian is such a weird fuckin book

[dusty sigil]

…I’m like 2 IDs off from the burn team I want and like 5 IDs from the bleed team I want why did I get manager Don instead of Liu Yi Sang with my boxes?

[neat cedar]

mood

[bronze zephyr]

😔 😔

[lean fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-gif-27210956

[vagrant dove]

My glorious king

[neat cedar]

also

9- 45||If the G in G corp.stands foe goetia i'm gonna scream||

[worthy haven]

LMAO

omg

it could

for old g*

[neat cedar]

||like that entire fight feltnlike we were performing an exorcism ||

[worthy haven]

it totally could

[neat cedar]

||given dreama ro rhat which should.never dream . . . ||

[stoic fjord]

I now understand why researchers don't like outliers after playing Canto 9

[uneven canopy]

||and now he's a bigger outlier||

[bronze zephyr]

Researchers love power scaling

[uneven canopy]

||he was still on the chain while in that form right?||

[neat cedar]

||Ye||

[vagrant dove]

This is why Sancho went berserk, it was because she couldn't stand Hohenheim's powerscaling tendencies

Trust

[neat cedar]

||Though i am unsure if he was depowered or not||

speaking od power scalibg

[stoic fjord]

||aiui he was there, and actively holding back and begging to be killed/trying to be killed||

[neat cedar]

xan we talk about

how scary dante is nos

as a concept

[stoic fjord]

||"I cast twelve bitches ready to light your ass up"||

[vagrant dove]

||yeah, his passive where he deals less damage to sinners and loses sanity everytime he wins a clash is pretty telling||

Also yesh the team can ||split up now||

[neat cedar]

not only do they have powers to manipulate time, to evem the playing field to directly hsrness the light

not inly can the team split up

[stoic fjord]

||like. Bro was basically still a pupa and gave the Red Gaze trouble.||

[vagrant dove]

Which gives a lot of options for storytelling

[neat cedar]

||I think malkuthnis what gave us the ability to read lore||

[uneven canopy]

danteh is an unknown factor in the city

[lean fjord]

which is pretty huge

both in and out of universe

[dusty sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPdyr0InuOs

[lean fjord]

I have a strong feeling we're gonna see more splitting up in the future

[neat cedar]

Minimizes the viggest wrak point the ainner team had

yerp

[vagrant dove]

Same

[lean fjord]

which will also open up a lot of interesting possibilites for the story and writing

[vagrant dove]

I think it's good for writing in general

[neat cedar]

ye

[vagrant dove]

Since it allows PM to pair off sinners nicely

Rather than like

[lean fjord]

and also gameplay, since it makes the teambuilding trickier

[neat cedar]

having them.stand around

[vagrant dove]

Trying to write everyone into one scene

[gentle mulch]

i like the sinner split ups because now im like

[neat cedar]

this is a diabolical bit of art ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455760726902702082/1462176752540586104/65ca066f-07ee-451f-bcb3-1bc7e0d1e03d.png?ex=696d3db7&is=696bec37&hm=843cc071a05439a70eba8638a803ea6290730d193b6b1ce755e267cb4bbf664f& ||

[gentle mulch]

okay what team can i fucking build with 3 of these bozos

[gentle mulch]

You must dress...as I have...No

You must dress...even more!

[atomic steeple]

Prescript: Change name, pronouns, presentation and hormones

[dusty sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXG3oCWsU0

[quaint cliff]

We should formally standardize our powerscaling based around Vespa’s ability to steal bread at lightspeed

How many standard-sized croissants can a character cram into their gob in half a second?

I bet an Arbiter could eat

like

Three.

Maybe even four.

(croissant size standards specifically are dictated by C corp, obviously)

[atomic steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzCDtZqUNYw
Tell me the name of god, binah

[keen palm]

||https://youtu.be/JNqZBEi6bdo?si=ZNcEbmcCw7ONT4Y_ ||

[atomic steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTc-Cv8XXgM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyNYutTjLaI

[ebon forge]

I’m almost at 150 pulls

[karmic escarp]

BANG

all according to plan, because i, hero, am a genius

[split beacon]

To where the Prescript points.

[atomic steeple]

What this?

[split beacon]

Laser tag lmfao

I played as Proxy

[dusty sigil]

I can’t get over that description in distortion detective of Ezra fighting Vespa and just punching him in the nuts like three times

And Vespa standing there

Unaffected

[vagrant dove]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[atomic steeple]

Tough nuts to crack

Or he just retracts them at will

[vagrant dove]

i love the fact we got to see the DD crew interact with each other honestly

still not over

[neat cedar]

. . .

fuckin

[vagrant dove]

the fact that ezra watches the city's version of twitch (as seen in canto 7(

she trolls in chat

[neat cedar]

||Araya is the monkey||

||THAT'S WHY SHE'S A CLONE||

||KJH you fuckin.bastard||

[vagrant dove]

kjh when i catch you

(positive)

this canto was flawed (esp with pacing) but still very good imo

still digesting a lot of it

[neat cedar]

hinestly.i'll.take flawed and messy but impactful.and full of meaning

[vagrant dove]

^

[neat cedar]

over perfect but kinda bland

any day

like

[atomic steeple]

I genuinely loved the themes

[vagrant dove]

the themes are done really well

[atomic steeple]

And am now hungry to learn about Buddhism just to understand more

I think part of the pacing issues was keeping a lot of the story to subletety and fight descriptions
And also exhaustion from climatic fights

[vagrant dove]

I have similar thoughts on canto 7- which is my favourite one

a little messy but the themes man

the overall narrative is done so well

a lot of other gacha kind of- just don't hit as hard for me in that regard as limbus does

[vagrant dove]

I think the fight exhaustion is behind a lot of it

in my experience the flavour text didn't detract too much

just I don't think we've had that many bossfights in a single canto before

"what if I don't want to cosplay Rolan-"

"The Prescript knows best."

[dusty sigil]

Man, people are talking about it on Twitter

And like, if ||this is how strong Ryoshu is without the contract holding her back, what the fuck is Outis on?||

||I always sorta assumed she’d be far behind Sancho but no she’s gotta be pretty close with how strong Ryoshu is||

[atomic steeple]

Oh, I meant what affected the pacing, I do not dislike the flavour text
Just meant a lot of the story and exposition was indirect

On the topic of outis
Outis thought she could rank above don in the check up event

[keen palm]

I think the dog is the monkey

considering it was named "Monkey"

[dusty sigil]

||Ren is also kinda the monkey||

||deciding to die in the hell screen out of loyalty to his master||

[vagrant dove]

yeah I get you

didn't think you disliked it, just commenting on my own perspective (could have phrased it a bit better tho, sorry)

on a related note, I really hope we keep having to collect kjh's pages loredrops, they're very cool

[atomic steeple]

Start booking people for pages

[vagrant dove]

TRUE

we should set up some sort of place, like maybe a library of some kind

[dusty sigil]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnN3ehjhtDA||

[vagrant dove]

I JUST SAW THIS

[main scaffold]

…is w sang any good?

Mm, only charge Yi Sang ID so I guess he’s good for that

…why is he based around rupture?

[neat cedar]

bith things can be true

like rien says

[atomic steeple]

He's hongry

[eternal berry]

he's become a little outmoded but he's still a decent count applicator for rupture teams

[main scaffold]

Neat!

Mostly through his S2 and dimension warp I assume

[ebon forge]

rupture count posititve

better than wu sang for pure rupture teams

[main scaffold]

Canto 9 Node 29 (ish) spoilers: ||why do the nursefathers get to have two utterly adorable daughters and a cool robot girl||

[ebon forge]

kjh wants to murder you is why

[keen palm]

Writing gender neutrally does that

[neat cedar]

also

important note to.my realization

in the og text the moneky is not called monkey

it is named after Yoshihide

9-49 ||And araya is named after the weapinnwhich ryoshu is built.ti.wield||

[sudden arch]

So place your bets on when we get an ID with the funny green apple flavoured coins?

[neat cedar]

my.guess? ego before id

[sudden arch]

Fair. It's gonna be interesting to see how they implement more of them with the increase of unbreakable coins on IDs

9-50 spoiler ||give me an ALEPH EGO with purple coins. Let me delete them unbreakable||

[neat cedar]

ye and unlike.unbreakables it's a lot.more.generally useful.on.a player

[stoic fjord]

From the experiences of a friend, it is kind of hostile towards newer players because it's a huge jump in difficulty and also the character locks

[vagrant dove]

that would make sense yeah

[neat cedar]

tbf

getting alll the way to.c 9

as a new player

while notmimpossiblr

is a feat

[stoic fjord]

Yeah lol

[neat cedar]

i forget if the rental system is emabled for story content

[vagrant dove]

yeah it really is

[stoic fjord]

It is

[vagrant dove]

I think it is

you can rent a don id for uhhhhh

[stoic fjord]

But they're stuck on 9-41 specifically

[neat cedar]

ye

so lije

[vagrant dove]

the papa don fight

[neat cedar]

the new player experience does not matter for c9

[stoic fjord]

Because they have to run Meursault, Ryoshu, and Outis

[neat cedar]

because new players cannot.get to.it

[stoic fjord]

And they don't even have enough IDs to be able to just borrow one and be okay

[neat cedar]

ubless thwy're whaling out ofbtheir mind

[stoic fjord]

My friend is a F2P

Started like maybe 6 weeks ago

So he hit the same pace as me in terms of story

Maybe a little slower

[stoic fjord]

His only ID that's good and on-level is MB Outis

And he doesn't have anyone for either of the other two

[neat cedar]

i mean, using base ids can prob eork fine

[stoic fjord]

So he's kinda just stuck on the fight right now

[neat cedar]

because a lot of the fighta

are more gimmick fighta

which one is this

[stoic fjord]

Doesn't want to level them because resources are slim

[stoic fjord]

9-41

[neat cedar]

i'd borrow a support for ine and then just

sacrifice the other

[stoic fjord]

4 K Corp ampules

[vagrant dove]

level the other, rent one is probably the best

[stoic fjord]

It's kind of hard to effectively sacrifice, since you'll lose out on slots eith how long it takes

[stoic fjord]

Probably

[vagrant dove]

but yeah how'd he deal with papa don if he didn't have ids for all sinners

[neat cedar]

indeed but that's the only option

[stoic fjord]

I think their two options are Liu Ryoshu and Liu Meursault

[vagrant dove]

solo?

[stoic fjord]

Solo, probably?

[vagrant dove]

i know cinq solo is very possible

[neat cedar]

not that impossivle because u can just

[stoic fjord]

Since evade ID don solo is genuinely the easiest way

[neat cedar]

yolo with ur best

[stoic fjord]

Either Cinq, W Corp, etc.

[vagrant dove]

since you get that id

[neat cedar]

and have the others just die

[vagrant dove]

i've seen people do it with lantern don

[stoic fjord]

Yeah lol

[stoic fjord]

I saw that he was getting tilted and just not enjoying Canto 9

So I recommended taking a break for a while and coming back to shard and max out Bad End Ryoshu when she drops and finish it then, if he wpuld prefer that

[neat cedar]

ye

[stoic fjord]

And I think that's what he's going with for now?

[neat cedar]

Like

don't oush ur self to finish all.in one go if ur havjng a rough time

[vagrant dove]

that's prob best yeah

[stoic fjord]

Alternatively Maid Ryo and borrow Leisault from me but I feel like Maid Ryo might get pushed off of meta by bad end ryoshu

[neat cedar]

makingnit to 9-41 is already

a pretty good accomplishment

[vagrant dove]

esp if you don't have a full team

[neat cedar]

i mean, meta only kinda matters

tbqh

[stoic fjord]

Bro made it to 9-41 with his best Meursault ID apparentlt being level 38 Liu Meursault

[neat cedar]

crazy work

[vagrant dove]

that is an accomplishment

[stoic fjord]

And his best Ryoshu being level 43 Liu Ryo

I don't know how the fuck it happened

[vagrant dove]

holy hell

[neat cedar]

I mean

[vagrant dove]

he's cracked apparently

[neat cedar]

liu ryoshu clash good

[stoic fjord]

Iirc he also might've had Mariachi Sinclair on his Papa Don team?

[neat cedar]

like.thenLiu in generally

[vagrant dove]

i assume as support?

[stoic fjord]

So he had a full team for that, now that I think about it

[neat cedar]

are extremely giod at clashing

[vagrant dove]

since mariachi clair is kinda

[stoic fjord]

No

Like

On the field

[vagrant dove]

Oh

[stoic fjord]

As an evade tank

[neat cedar]

ye

[stoic fjord]

And it worked

20 levels under

[vagrant dove]

oh that makes sense

[neat cedar]

people forget but

[stoic fjord]

Bro genuinely made it through 90% of the game with nothing but scraps and i have to congratulate him

[neat cedar]

there are a kot if tricks.you can do aside.from."just winrate"

[vagrant dove]

"why won't you die!"

"evades, first kindred. they increase in power in response to hardblood"

genuinely impressive

[lean fjord]

It's also not like there's any particular rush to clear the newest canto for now tbh

[vagrant dove]

yeah

[neat cedar]

mhmm

[vagrant dove]

i mean in general the story stuff is always there

[lean fjord]

The only thing is unlocking the newest lux

[vagrant dove]

except for Arknights

[neat cedar]

mainly just avoiding spoilers

[lean fjord]

They can just farm stuff for a bit

And I guess once we get new MD that'll be a thing too

[stoic fjord]

yeah

like bro is genuinely cracked

and I didn't even realize until I started talking

because then I went "wait a fucking second I had to rely on Maost to carry me through 80% of the game"

"Suddenly, One Day"-ass potential unlock

[vagrant dove]

he has realized his potential

maost mention reminds me- I skipped a lot of the heishou because I wasn't too into them

is using seven stuff still viable

for a potential rupture team

because i like their outfits

[neat cedar]

probably

like generally

7 heath and mao outis

[vagrant dove]

like that green is very clean

[neat cedar]

with ebony queen

can prib handle most id ur ruoture atack needs

[vagrant dove]

noted

[neat cedar]

especially ifnyou have uh

[lean fjord]

7 Heath and Faust are okay

[neat cedar]

the don battle passs ego

[lean fjord]

Though not amazing anymore

[neat cedar]

they'll get the job done and that's what matters

[vagrant dove]

i have umasang because i like him

go my horse

[neat cedar]

Umasang is fun

i think hr is.prib the most.fun of the heishiu for me

him.and si greg

[lean fjord]

Though I'm honestly bot quite sure what a pure Rupture team looks like rn

It's probably still the Mao at minimum

[neat cedar]

i'd say Maoutis, 7 heath, chomp don

[vagrant dove]

"i have my whole life ahead of me"

no you don't, the Obsidian Stormrider's Crescent Decapitator is coming

[neat cedar]

for acgually.carryimg a out rupture stack

Lantern don is still

the queen

of.count

[lean fjord]

And then you probably want W Yi Sang to stack potency with decent count management

[vagrant dove]

thanks for all the advice, i'll compose a shopping list for the future

[neat cedar]

[stoic fjord]

iirc Heishou is like

honestly not even rupture in terms of game plan

[neat cedar]

Heishou are random.bullshit go

[stoic fjord]

your count only matters as much as "do you keep your conditionals up"

which

[neat cedar]

and free attacks out the ass