Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[atomic steeple]

Maybe the sinners get a sign of the coming disaster, so they have the apprentices hide with araya in the outskirts

[wild mango]

||maybe they fake (or actually) kill araya and ryoshu unsheathes the blade, and dante has to save her from erasing all of her memories||

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah I was about to say
It’s possible Ryoshu ||condemns the other apprentices and as in spider’s thread, the thread tying her to the one thing she has snaps||

[vagrant dove]

Reminds me of deltarune chapters 3 and 4 with how the theories got obliterated

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-matpat-game-theory-theory-toby-fox-gif-1628045471907910689

[stoic fjord]

Toby Fox and KJH are competing to create the most deranged and delusional fandoms

[uneven canopy]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qa1wb2/don_quixote_by_rugatu_to/

[split beacon]

Decide. Unlock. Transcend.

[wild mango]

||my bet is that the nuserfathers goal was to make a perfect killing machine, by training ryoshu with all thier styles into her muscle memory, then get her to use the blade to erase all her memories||

[cloud wadi]

Yeah that’s the words

[split beacon]

it's hard as fuck actually

[cloud wadi]

Index Don’s combat lines are hard as fuck too

[split beacon]

anyways, I'm kinda split on who dies in the coming canto part

feels like it would undermine the point of the canto if the apprentices die yanno

maybe Sora

[cloud wadi]

FATED! PRE-ORDAINED! As she bashes people’s heads in with the cuffs

[vagrant dove]

What the fuck is the intervallo even going to be after this

[cloud wadi]

“That was thy destined death” as she kills people

[stoic fjord]

good question

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-gif-15968686288919247628

DESTINED DEATH MENTIONEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[stoic fjord]

it needs to be a palatte cleanser but it also cannot really be light-hearted without tonal whiplash

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-troll-giant-pot-thrower-carbot-gif-8678898852408670614

[atomic steeple]

Funny murder investigation intervallo, rashomon

[split beacon]

Sora hitting "Our fates are already determined!" and using Procuration: Annihilation is uh

that shit's crazy

[gentle mulch]

my prediction is that it's going to be a bloodbath as we enter into Dis and the next intervallo is a dressup-esque game where we're dressing wounds to recover from the battle and a new LC dept. is shown

[cloud wadi]

That girl will literally be fine with jadising herself

She has somehow resolved the divine paradox in her head in her derangement

[vagrant dove]

Sora's- everything is part of why I have serious doubts about rien's affable facade

I feel like he might turn out to be one of the worst, even compared to how horrible the Pinky and Thumb are

[stoic fjord]

we already know he's fucking evil as hell

[uneven canopy]

||https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1q8qd2o/the_aprentices_are_such_bums/|| canto 9 part 2

[cloud wadi]

He ||clicker trained an otherwise nice and kind girl into being one of the most deranged people we’ve seen in the city||

[vagrant dove]

Yeah Ryoshu ||specifically burning him after that conversation they had|| is uh

I think we have to kill this guy, LCB

[cloud wadi]

Though ||she must have had some substantial potential already if the alternative pick was a bloody second kindred||

[atomic steeple]

Management minigame where we rebuild a section of HQ

[stoic fjord]

||especially when we've seen that Ryoshu is generally like. unwilling to mutilate the face, and generally goes for cleaner kills||

[cloud wadi]

Mmm no wait I get the feeling that the criteria Rien|| was looking for was crippling loneliness and isolation and a longing for contact||

[stoic fjord]

||and then she decided "I'm going to fucking immolate this guy's face"||

||that says something.||

[gentle mulch]

please give us lce lobcorp 2

[split beacon]

probably lol

[gentle mulch]

im begging you

lobcorp 1.1 in the form of lce intervallo

[uneven canopy]

they did give us a princess maker

[vagrant dove]

||absolutely, especially when she only seems to take specific parts from the other nursefathers, even those as awful to her as Valencina or the Dihui Star. She chose to burn his face in particular||

[stoic fjord]

||lowkey I expect the Dihui Star to look like an okay person compared to Rien when we finally learn more||

[bronze zephyr]

Charon princessmaker plz

[split beacon]

crazy that she said "nah I don't need the memory slicer" for Rien

[stoic fjord]

||not like she gains redeeming qualities, of course, just like. Rien being so unimaginably awful.||

[cloud wadi]

I think somehow

[split beacon]

chose to burn his fucking face off instead

[cloud wadi]

Okay

Baseless prediction

[stoic fjord]

we love those

[cloud wadi]

We’ll see Sinclair manifest his mark in full at part 3

[split beacon]

lol

[bronze zephyr]

god

[cloud wadi]

In a way that changes the story to allow it to end on a happier note

[atomic steeple]

Gimme the acid

[atomic steeple]

I mean, he is hatching

[split beacon]

see like

[uneven canopy]

cmon sinclair, we let you cook for this long

[bronze zephyr]

Sinclair goes “it’s sinclairing time” and Sinclairs all over ryoshu’s canto

[gentle mulch]

Sinclair: THIS HALBERD. THIS MARK. And this Canto... Shall not be Limbused...

[stoic fjord]

||this would also sort of complete the arc started in Canto 3, with him not being able to change anything or even take revenge, and with what we saw in part 2, this honestly doesn't seem too far-fetched.||

[bronze zephyr]

||sinclair did seem to almost have a moment before they fought the ring nursefather, it’s possible limbus intended for him to awaken there and be able to handle it but danto intervened||

[stoic fjord]

||him finally coming to fruition and being able to take proper agency||

[split beacon]

he just about fucking awakened on that ring guy

I would've popped off.

[gentle mulch]

I would have too

Goddd

that'd be so cool like

[bronze zephyr]

I want an albina Sinclair ID

[gentle mulch]

we purposefully cut away from sinclair and cant use him in the team battle fight

and when we cut back it's just like

[cloud wadi]

It would be just like him|| to fully awaken while brutally murderizing a cyborg||

[gentle mulch]

him in a room

[split beacon]

I need Sinclair to awaken and just start killing motherfuckers

[vagrant dove]

It makes sense yeah

I'd personally prefer him to take somewhat of a backseat after 8.5 to allow for some other sinner content, but that's my subjective preference on the matter and I wouldn't mind it going down that way

[split beacon]

like NAH

ENOUGH

[stoic fjord]

||we cut back and he's just standing over the mangled corpse of the ring nursefather, with his halberd and clothes absolutely fucking soaked in blood||

[split beacon]

damn he kinda was ||awakening to the racism within lmfao||

anyways similarly I need Rodion to get her moment someday soon

[bronze zephyr]

Maybe Sinclair will get supplemental content in p3, then Rodya in canto 10, then greg in canto 11, or sm

Yeye

[gentle mulch]

my perspective is that it chekov's gun an arc at a pretty good time considering he shares a lot of vibes with ryoshu and leaves room for others during the later parts

[vagrant dove]

Gregor content soon please KJH

[atomic steeple]

Meur canto with sonya cameo

[bronze zephyr]

Yeye

[vagrant dove]

Yeah, that's entirely fair

[atomic steeple]

Then gregor in outis canto

[split beacon]

let her COOK

enough Potential Woman slander

[vagrant dove]

I love my failguy, his lesson in 8.5 was such a refreshing change of pace bc usually he's kinda the butt of the joke

[stoic fjord]

||I think Sinclair also would be the one to relate the most over losing family and such and thus I think he's primed to start tearing shit up in Canto 9||

[gentle mulch]

ryoshu coulda soloed 9-33 dante didnt need to do all that

[fluid whale]

Well, he says ||the meeting might as well not have happened, given he's now going to disobey it and get involved yet again, was my read||

[vagrant dove]

I read it as ||the script is really fucked up and Verg is needed to guide Dante et al back onto the right path||

[stoic fjord]

||bro REALLY hates the ring 😭/j||

[gentle mulch]

||i get it||

||i really do||

[fluid whale]

I mean I would too

[stoic fjord]

||true||

[vagrant dove]

||i think it's an entirely reasonable crashout yeah||

[atomic steeple]

I like the ring

No one appreciates them

[fluid whale]

If ||your orphanage literally got targeted for abductions by a major crime syndicate to be experimented on||

[split beacon]

that's cuz they killed Vergilius's children Pandora

[vagrant dove]

I love the fingers in general, they're really good thematically

[split beacon]

it's on sight

[stoic fjord]

they have a cool vibe but also it's on fucking sight

[atomic steeple]

I know, I am attempting humor

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhh ok

[split beacon]

hands for christmas

hands for halloween

[stoic fjord]

LMAO

[split beacon]

knock knock it's hands

[atomic steeple]

You don't have to draw hands if you can take them from people

[vagrant dove]

Truthnuke

[vagrant dove]

I have probably exerted more time than I should have in figuring out how an oc of mine (based off of Aeneas,the central character of Vergil's Aeneid) would fit into them for the purposes of ids lmao

This is your brain on hyperfixation

[cloud wadi]

It’s exactly the type of cyborgs he hates too

The types who ||strip away their own humanity ||

I love how Don is like “well you might die, skill issue” to Sinclair

[stoic fjord]

Sinclair is about to channel Gabriel ULTRAKILL against the ring nursefather

[atomic steeple]

||It will look like alyssa will kill herself to save hohenheim. Then sinclair punches ringfather from nowhere, and then alyssa and sinclair tag team him like mahito||

[stoic fjord]

||The fingers lose infinite aura as they get bodied by two researchers and a 19 year old German boy who's 5' 4" and has no muscle mass||

[wild mango]

REAL

[atomic steeple]

You have to be 20 to be a fixer

[wild mango]

||hoenhieim is gonna start blasting the moment he steps through that portal||

[stoic fjord]

||are the LCB considered fixers?||

||I think we just count as corp employees, we didn't have to register with Hana or anything||

[cloud wadi]

No they are considered corpo rats

[atomic steeple]

Probably same requirements

Also, I thought sinclair had been working as a fixer before entering limbus?

[split beacon]

They aren’t! Sinclair’s 19th birthday is a part of the story, even

He is a notably young little German boy

[keen palm]

Yes

The LCB are "officially" a fixer office dedicated to fighting distortions

[atomic steeple]

Wait when?

[keen palm]

Faust explicitly says that officially the LCB is a fixer office

And this is why they are able to take contracts like they do

[cloud wadi]

I thought she said the opposite has

That while fixer offices specializing in distortion phenomenon already exist they are the only ones offering service from corporate angle

[keen palm]

She said they are still a fixer office however

Since "company" is not an officially recognized legal entity

[split beacon]

What

Bongy’s is a recognized legal entity and he’s running neither a subsidiary of a corporation nor a fixer office

[cloud wadi]

Oh wait

LCD are fixers

LCB are not

I think

Faust describes a branch of limbus company as “consultant fixers specializing in distortion phenomenon”

Which matches LCD

[split beacon]

LCD is Moses’s Office after being absorbed by Limbus Company no

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

Seems like officially they are

“Consultant fixers”

In house

[split beacon]

The Udjat also used to be a Fixer Office in the loosest sense but I think they may have been dissolved into LCA, a fully corporate paramilitary

[cloud wadi]

If Dias has official position as head of a corp she doesn’t need the legal fiction of udjat being an independent fixer offices anymore

I wonder if ring father taught Ryoshu how to cook

[keen palm]

But she isnt

Limbus isnt a wing yet

[cloud wadi]

I mean there’s gotta be minor corps and aspirant wings right

[keen palm]

Yes but a Wing is a Wing

And it seems like if you arent a Wing you abide by the same rules as everyone else

[split beacon]

Sure but it doesn’t seem to be a rule you can’t employ military force as a corporate entity

The whole legal fiction was that the Udjat are a Fixer Office and not a personal army

But as CEO of Limbus Company, she can keep a military force on payroll

[keen palm]

Yeah but as far as we have seen, theres no real thing as a non wing corporate entity that doesnt abide by fixer rules

Youre either a gang, an office, or a wing, and everyone else has to be treated the same legslly

[stoic fjord]

I wonder how restaurants operate

[stoic fjord]

I thought syndicates weren't a legal classification

[split beacon]

Again, Ham^2Pang^2 and such exist, there’s a laundry business in Distortion Detective and a hotel that keeps Fixers on retainer

[keen palm]

Also Papa Bongy was a feather

[split beacon]

Other businesses outside of those categories exist and don’t seem to need to abide by Da Rules in the same way that a licensed Fixer office would need to, they just also can’t compete for Fixer contracts or presumably the Hana Association would come down on them like a sack of hammers

[keen palm]

So legally he is a k corp employee

[split beacon]

Which is the whole problem that the Hana Association has with the Udjat

[cloud wadi]

I don’t think everyone who lives at a nest is necessarily that corp’s employee…

[split beacon]

They squeeze out business for other Associations and Offices who Dias could be contracting but instead she has a personal army

But as Limbus Company who gives a shit they’re a business protecting their own interests their own way

[keen palm]

Is there any real difference between an employee and a citizen of a corp?

Demonstrably, that we have seen

[split beacon]

Yeah

[cloud wadi]

I mean yeah one works for the company but both pay taxes to the company

[split beacon]

Roland wanted his I Nest immigration pass but presumably would’ve still taken Fixer work

Just from a comfier apartment

[stoic fjord]

fixers can be feathers as far as we know

[cloud wadi]

Vergil lived at v nest while still not being corporate fixer

[unique bane]

wife

[cloud wadi]

Sinclair’s father was also described as a business owner etc

[split beacon]

One who was cozying up to P Corp no less

Despite working from and living in I think K Nest?

[stoic fjord]

yup

how

[keen palm]

He owned a factory but worked for k corp

[stoic fjord]

how does this work

[keen palm]

And L Corp i guess

[stoic fjord]

ohhhh wait

[split beacon]

Achievements were added to the game with Impuritas

[stoic fjord]

wait no it still doesn't make sense

[cloud wadi]

Technically they don’t necessarily grant you nest privilege for being a wing employee either

[stoic fjord]

okay that makes sense

[cloud wadi]

Taii lived in the backstreets despite being L wing employee

[stoic fjord]

anyways I'm gonna try and beat Chesed realization again

and then go deal with Binah

[keen palm]

Yeah but the only real cases we have seen have been through employment

Like Roland was gonna get his feather status as a reward for the smoke war wasnt he?

[cloud wadi]

Yes

[keen palm]

So he was a corporate fixer

[cloud wadi]

But hireling doesn’t mean employee I think

Mmm I don’t think so?

Corporate fixer means in house or otherwise exclusive long term contract I think

That was like

A one time thing

[keen palm]

I am saying because the corporation is inherently the government, you being a citizen and you being an employee are indistinguishable states of being

[cloud wadi]

Like p corp hiring fixers for la Manchaland

I think they do have pretty strict internal division though

[keen palm]

I dont think we have really seen that tho

[cloud wadi]

Like papa bongy is considered a rival to official k corp sponsored chicken place etc

Samzo was born and raised in k nest but considered actually getting employed by k corp to be a pretty significant feat

It kinda seems like the arrangement is supposed to be

Wings act as government entity and collects taxes from nest resident

[faint pivot]

Never forgetting this line cause she lost that clash for me LMAO
Thank you Moresaulttu, excellent performance

[cloud wadi]

But employees aren’t necessarily nest residents and nest residents aren’t necessarily employees

You can be a backstreet dweller and get employed by a wing etc

You can be a nest resident and ve a gang leader in the backstreets

[atomic steeple]

Hm, lce management minigame would be cool
Specially because since hohenheim is the head, they'd get to act ethically. Well as much as limbus allows

[cloud wadi]

Me when I send Alyssa to blow up for fun

[atomic steeple]

Nest gang leader: look, I really like personally oppressing the poor

[vagrant dove]

Avg t corp industrialist

[vagrant dove]

Also yeah doing LCE management would be fire

[atomic steeple]

We need to harvest hohenheim grief for energy

[vagrant dove]

Speaking of, t-corp helped me realize that Victorian London but Somehow Worse is a common element in a lot of my favourite settings

Sunless Sea/Skies, Limbus Company, Bloodborne-

[faint pivot]

This is implied by there being at least 1 Thumb Sottocapo in every Wing right?

[wild mango]

how good is bloise?

for getting through the story, mostly

[stoic fjord]

Road Home is actually torturous

me after I repeat the mass attack 3 times because one of my five librarians kept rolling 1 under the threshold

[lean fjord]

yeah that happens sometimes

[stoic fjord]

someone genuinely fucking kill me

it's actually worse than Little Red Riding Hooded Mercenary and Big Bird combined

[wild mango]

@stoic fjord havent you done bloise? im curious

[stoic fjord]

I have but I don't think it's standard bloise

[faint pivot]

Currently lacks count on both sides iirc

[wild mango]

ok

[stoic fjord]

and also I haven't used it in story

I only use it in MD

[wild mango]

ah fair

[stoic fjord]

my story team alternates between sinking and heishou

[stoic fjord]

I hate that stupid chud child and her stupid chud cat

[atomic steeple]

Yeah
You probably can stack power boosts. But failing mechanics due to dice rolls is really annoying

[stoic fjord]

I don't have power boost builds

no focuses at least

[tiny cave]

For story? Literally anything will work

There is exactly one stage that cannot be cleared with LCB identities and base EGO

And even then I think someone cleared it after hours of retries

[stoic fjord]

someone beat 8-30 with base LCB and E.G.O

[tiny cave]

If you want to get through the story stages fastest bloise isn’t great (the poise half works with thoracalgia, the bleed half does not)

It’s not 8-30

[wild mango]

what stage?

[stoic fjord]

oh I know i'm just saying like

[tiny cave]

It’s the LCB checkup one where you only have hongler and Sinclair

[stoic fjord]

ohhhh yeah that makes sense

[wild mango]

oh fair

[tiny cave]

The problem is that you get stacking burn for every turn in the encounter

[stoic fjord]

hrm

[tiny cave]

And the enemies resist nearly all damage that base hong and sinc do

[stoic fjord]

has anyone started doing base LCB for canto 9

[tiny cave]

Ya

[stoic fjord]

I assume it's basically base LCB ryo carrying?

[tiny cave]

Someone has already solo’d Sora and Pinky Nursefather with base Ryo

Yep

Evade dice goated

[stoic fjord]

was it woman gaming

[tiny cave]

Probably

[stoic fjord]

oh no

[wild mango]

im mainly asking since ive found a streamer that has been playing through PM, and theyve just started limbus, but theyve been doing pulls in the background for 2 years

[stoic fjord]

they've been solo-ing with W Ryoshu I think

[wild mango]

and they have a full bloise core minus harpooner heath

[stoic fjord]

whenever I say I play a dual status team

I mean I run probably the bare minimum required for statuses

and then my best two of the other two statuses

[gentle mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0gndhx6k3s

[wild mango]

in terms of story, would doing bloise make things noticeably harder than doing a pure bleed or poise team?

[stoic fjord]

likely

[gentle mulch]

yeah

eh

depends on if bloise gets support this season

[stoic fjord]

as the bloise units would be worse at bleed or poise than the mono status

yeah

Rupture Poise is good because all of last season was rupture poise

[wild mango]

ah ok

[gentle mulch]

bleed is already one of the harder statuses to maintain a count for so youre basically playing a debilitated poise team

[stoic fjord]

and is kind of good independent of that

[gentle mulch]

BUT

who knowwwssss

[stoic fjord]

bloirn season incoming

[tiny cave]

Yes

[stoic fjord]

question

[tiny cave]

A lot of the best bleed units have no poise

[stoic fjord]

when I begin the uninvited guests thing in LoR

[tiny cave]

And the bloise units usually have bad count on both so you’re EGO reliant

[stoic fjord]

can I still do suppressions and realizations

[tiny cave]

No

[stoic fjord]

or is it one long battle with no break

[tiny cave]

Correct

[stoic fjord]

and I assume I also have to have every floor fully equipped?

[tiny cave]

Uhh not quite

It’s split into sections and keypages can’t be reused in the same section including attribution

But you can reuse the combat pages and you can reuse the keypage during the next section

[stoic fjord]

gotcha

[tiny cave]

The sections are 2-3 floors each except for Keter

[stoic fjord]

combat pages doesn't matter because I have nogrind

keypages also shouldn't be a huge issue

[tiny cave]

Yeah you should have enough good pages especially if you’ve done all the general receptions

IMO the most painful one is Hokma’s uninvited

[gentle mulch]

hokma is the least painful if you play it like a scumbag

[stoic fjord]

blockma?

[tiny cave]

Solo blockma yea

[gentle mulch]

there's several options

theres blockma

[stoic fjord]

is one of them boundary of death + 13th toll

[gentle mulch]

i think so

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxksEWjJfBk

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhh sweeper immortality?

[gentle mulch]

another is WCorp passive gambling

just

[stoic fjord]

also lowkey the 200 HP has me. worried

like

[gentle mulch]

just watch the video

[stoic fjord]

if this is after Xiao

and he has like, a third of the HP

what the fuck are his passives gonna look like

[gentle mulch]

just watch the video... it's scary

it's so fucking scary

[stoic fjord]

😨

it's fucking horrifying holy shit

[ebon forge]

God I can’t wait for Part 3

Because I wanna see the Nursefathers fucking die, Sora to distort halfway then get saved, and all the apprentices to realize they have to find their one way and that the whole finger shit was just bullshit blazing

[neat cedar]

i have a query for peeps

[stoic fjord]

go for it

[neat cedar]

has every sinner whose.canto we've finished

[lean fjord]

even doing Pluto honestly isn't too bad tbh

[neat cedar]

truly been better off after?

[lean fjord]

as long as you have decks built for the contracts

[stoic fjord]

||lowkey I kinda hope that the Ring Nursefather gets killed by like. Hohenheim and Sinclair or somethng||

[stoic fjord]

uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I... think so, to an extent?

at least in a longer term, nebulous way

[gentle mulch]

first 3 no

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah first 3 no

everyone else yes

even Heathcliff

[neat cedar]

see

i.disagree

[gentle mulch]

materially better off? not guaranteed

[neat cedar]

fir don and.heath mainly

[gentle mulch]

but they are able to self realize a little better

don got some of the worst of it though

killed her family

donated the father to "science"

[neat cedar]

self.realiz.eto.what thiugh

[lean fjord]

it's not ideal, but I do think Don is overall in a better place

[gentle mulch]

forced her more bloodfiend side to take on the entire burden of bloodfiend lineage

[neat cedar]

and was the way wr did it

the o ly.way itmcould.be dond

[stoic fjord]

I think the main thing is like

not that they are immediately materially better

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life-3-hope-syringe-half-life-2-gif-4595866055848966717

[stoic fjord]

but that they have faced their past

gotten closure

[ebon forge]

Hong Lu is objectively better off

[stoic fjord]

and are now able to start growing and moving on

[neat cedar]

i would nto say either

[ebon forge]

Dude was able to let go of a long wrath building inside him, realize himself a little, saved his sister, managed to bring a possible new era to his homeland

[neat cedar]

has gotten.closure thp

[stoic fjord]

||Heathcliff faced the physical manifestations of everything that kept him and Catherine apart, and while she's gone now, he still has those memories and can start to move on from the suffering, even if he's still going to try and bring her back||

[ebon forge]

I bet he’s gonna win then ||Iori gets into a tangle with him||

[gentle mulch]

Don/San is able to be more in tune with what it means to play the part of "Don Quixote" and connect the bridge that makes her go yeah, i want to do this instead of the Sancho that got dragged by Rocinante away from her family troubles

[stoic fjord]

||Don Quixote finally put her past to rest, got to finally decide her own path, and has put her family to rest, even if certainly not in any ideal way||

||like, at the absolute least, the sinners are now more free of their past and able to continue with less regret plaguing them, and able to reconcile to a degree||

[gentle mulch]

Heathcliff realizes his mistakes and doesn't blame himself as a horrible mutt of a human being who needs to be put down for making his love miserable destined to--yk

wild hunt shit

[neat cedar]

and whatnif.the cost?

[gentle mulch]

The cost is the contract

and what it entails

[stoic fjord]

||Sancho/Don Quixote and Heathcliff both lost what kept them going before the canto, but in doing so, are now able to move on after that and continue on||

[gentle mulch]

and why people are obsessing over Ryoshu's contract

because the wording can mean a lot could happen

Faust even describes it as a sort of progress when these "turns" are completed

see:"what if we just take her shoes off again" plan

it's a bit of a lost game to go back and forth on if they're "truly" better off, but if Faust is to be trusted for this instance, then there is some progress towards something for each specific sinner when the turns are "complete"

[tiny cave]

Hohenheim didn’t want to solve the problem
He just wanted to ||see Don’s bare toes||

[gentle mulch]

and that includes a golden bough retrieval

[gentle mulch]

FREAK NEWSPAPER EMOJI

[neat cedar]

i dom't thinlnit's a lost game

[gentle mulch]

how scandalous

[neat cedar]

mainly vecause the thing i'm questioning

is not PJM

it's Limbus Company itself

[tiny cave]

Well

We still have two acts after inferno

[neat cedar]

hence why i'm chewing on how much better off

the sinners actually are

and while people have points about the long term

is Limbus contracted to actually help there?

does it actually care?

if thensinners were let off as they are, right now

would they be okay?

the Odjat uptie story got me thonking

[gentle mulch]

help? no. care? no. okay? depends
LC has its own goals that are definitely shady and not merciful. the fact that the sinners seem to "get better" may be a byproduct of trying to "save the E.G.O."

[crimson spindle]

i mean, it goes back to lobotomy corp right

[neat cedar]

ye

Ruina does

[crimson spindle]

healing tthe mental damage to the sephirah

[neat cedar]

We don't know if Limbus shares that desire

[crimson spindle]

was ultimately part of a larger plan to release the light

[gentle mulch]

to create the light yeah

[neat cedar]

ah

[crimson spindle]

this very much just seems like something like that plan again in microcosm

[neat cedar]

for me.the main things that got me thinking is that

[gentle mulch]

it is a power source

power gets coveted

[neat cedar]

a lot of the times Dante helping the sinners

[stoic fjord]

we do know they have the boughs for a reason, ||that they were trying to make the sapling||, and that there's "turns" for the sinners kind of like the realizations, almost

[neat cedar]

runs at least somewhat counter to what Faust, are.obly contact to what LC desires, advises a good chunk of the time

[keen palm]

Well we know for now that we are following the path of the flaming sword

[neat cedar]

and also that Outis is someone that are dossiers we got in those limbus previews

tells us explicitly not to yrust

yet we get a ton of evidence that she is genuine

we are following the flow, but who set it in motion? For what purpose? and is going against it actually bad

[gentle mulch]

we also know that LC bankrolled Verg with an offer that he cannot deny so that he sits on his ass and doesnt Do His Thing

which is: be a good person

so

i think casting doubt on the company is prudent yeah

[stoic fjord]

my guess is that it somehow involves his orphanage

and Lapis

[gentle mulch]

cha ron

vroom vroom

[stoic fjord]

||I wonder if he'll have to grapple with basically erasing someone yet again in the process of getting Lapis back. is he attached to Charon? or does he treat her kindly simply because, and it's still with eventually getting his children back in mind||

[neat cedar]

Ye like something that i realized is that hellscreen canto is def a really good one thematically

to reexamine the bias of the narrative

[keen palm]

I think it is explicitly stated that Verg's wish is bringing Lapis back to life

By killing Charon

[neat cedar]

and peer closer then just accepting what happens at face value

[ebon forge]

But I feel like Verg is kinda attached to Charon now

[neat cedar]

he may be

but does that over come what he's promised and what his goal is?

[gentle mulch]

unfortunately verg gets attached really quickly

[vagrant dove]

It should be noted that the company dossiers in general tend to be kind of at odds with the Sinners themselves sometimes

[gentle mulch]

i have a feeling if he ever decides that keeping Charon is his new wish, he'll make it very known

[vagrant dove]

Like Heathcliffs for instance, where they basically dismiss him as just an angry thug when there's a lot more to him

[neat cedar]

mhmm

i wonder if the reason why outis does her whole "I am.super loyal " thing

wasn't as much to convince dante

but to convince the higher ups at Limbus

[vagrant dove]

I personally read Outis as putting on the persona partly out of habit, partly to secure her own position and partly to achieve a measure of control over the chaos of the early cantos, before becoming more genuine over time as Dante gets better at their job and she becomes more attached to the party

[stoic fjord]

Outis was like

genuinely hurt that Dante thought she was genuinely betraying them

[vagrant dove]

Yeah that little moment in 7.5 was very telling

[stoic fjord]

and has kind of lightened up on the glaze as far as I can tell

and has shown her capability in planning and leading when needed

[keen palm]

She seems to actually hold Dante to high regard

[stoic fjord]

she's just not a good moment to moment commander, which is what Dante does for the sinners

meanwhile I'm ngl Dante hasn't had a long term plan like, ever.

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[keen palm]

Dante goes with the flow

[stoic fjord]

that mf following the golden bough spidey-sense

[keen palm]

And things generally work out

[stoic fjord]

lowkey Dante and Outis would work quite well as joint directors of some small but elite task force or smth

[vagrant dove]

Like if you're used to a sort of strict military structure (as Outis seems to be) I can imagine the general Happenings of cantos 1-3 would get on one's nerves, which is part of why I personally think she tries to define rank so much early on and impose structure on the sinners

[ebon forge]

dante is actually monsterously good at commanding, but only specifically, the sinners

[vagrant dove]

She's one of my favourite sinners <- massive classics nerd

[ebon forge]

dude micromanages twelve people at once

on an attack by attack basis

[vagrant dove]

I also really like how in limbus she inverts the typical gacha thing of having people glaze the main character

Because it's initially insincere and Dante has to earn her respect

[vagrant dove]

This drive for control is also partly behind her reaction to the events of canto 7 imo

[neat cedar]

ye

[keen palm]

Well duh

[gentle mulch]

Outis seems to have a very cutthroat like "HAHA IM DOING BETTER YOU SEE RIGHT YOU SEE IM RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THAT IS GOOD AND THEYRE NOT" attitude and once she starts to internalize that Dante is going to vouch for all of them no matter what she mellows the fuck out (relative to Outis levels)

[keen palm]

No one else can understand them

[ebon forge]

no like, aside from nobody else understanding him

[vagrant dove]

She doesn't seem to like not knowing things, to put it lightly

[neat cedar]

Dante is good at improv

but also

is extremely fuckin lax

to a consistently self-endangering degree

[vagrant dove]

They also lack a lot of critical information

Which is where Faust and Outis tend to come in

[neat cedar]

which is very accurate

[vagrant dove]

+the other sinners when an area of knowledge they have is relevant

[neat cedar]

to the og story

Dante(the author)really.made himself a major wuss who faints at every opportunity

[stoic fjord]

realistically more like 7

but still

[neat cedar]

butbye, on a related note

I am

growing increasingly worried

about what the plan was for the sinners

[vagrant dove]

But yeah no big outis fan and I'm so excited to see how the fuck her canto goes down

[neat cedar]

before dante got their memory loss

[stoic fjord]

I also assume the skills are moreso representation than reality so Dante is perhaps directly instructing them on what to do during battle and and such

[stoic fjord]

*their

[neat cedar]

and what is meant to happen to them after the contract ends

right, my bad

like there is still

so much we don't know about Dante

and how much they were supposed to know

[uneven canopy]

what the Fuck is an aspect... why you clock...

[neat cedar]

What is the Gate

And how does the rewind work?

[vagrant dove]

Presumably there was some need to make them amnesiac for the Flow to work

But why??

[uneven canopy]

is dante being an amnesiac working for Limbus Co?

[neat cedar]

I don't think so

them.being amensiac was because they got killed by the animal gang

and i think the clock bit was a fail safe

[vagrant dove]

Ah true, they do mention the ■■■ being done too quick, that's a misreading on my part

[neat cedar]

i don't think dante was meant to be amcompletely unaware

[vagrant dove]

Mb!

Still curious what the fuck they were doing in that forest prior to the events of Selva Obscura

[neat cedar]

mhmm

[vagrant dove]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-outis-limbus-outis-limbus-limbus-outis-gif-17635598522123892151

[neat cedar]

it's gunna be brutal

[keen palm]

Unfortunately I cannot state my opinion of Outis in this server due to server rules

[neat cedar]

curious how they'll handle Penelope, Telemacus, and the suitors

[stoic fjord]

genuinely

how the fuck

do I do judgement bird

someone please fucking help me it's so painful

[neat cedar]

math and clashing, it is a fight all.about managing how much of the status any unit has

and thus is extremely fuckin punishing if u mess up even once

it is an ass fight i agree

[stoic fjord]

I don't have the fucking dice to do that

[neat cedar]

then u gotta find the pages or guards that do. I wish i had better advice but it has been actual.years since i touched ruina

[stoic fjord]

if I transfer sin, I lose because the birds attack and transfer sin over

if I don't, I lose on turn three because of the mass attack

if I try to do a little bit of both, I just get executed for trying

there have been entire floor realizations less painful

WAIT

DOES AFTERIMAGE WORK ON SIN

[neat cedar]

have you tried the tactic the wiki reccomends?

[stoic fjord]

I haven't checked the wiki at all lmao

[neat cedar]

https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Judgement_Bird

can see if u think.that will work.for ya

[stoic fjord]

okay

tried it

failed miserably the first time

still running into the issue of "I physically do not have enough attacks to put out to do this"

[uneven canopy]

cmooooon outis wife and kid stocks

[stoic fjord]

hrmmm

what if

I evade maxxed

and then just stacked a shitton of fairy on long bird

do counter dice trigger bleed

/fairy

[neat cedar]

they should

[ebon forge]

[stoic fjord]

this does not work either

I'm going to bed

genuinely this may be more difficult than Xiao

I am almost tempted to install a cheat mod as to skip binah's abnos

[faint pivot]

"Just means...a hole in my sch???????? just opened!"

What

Is that supposed to be schedule?

My brain can't conjure any other word that fits so thus it shall be

[ebon forge]

i love how this could be completely canon

[uneven canopy]

LCB the greatest networking opportunity

[true bluff]

school, scholar, schtick, scheme, sch...uh

[faint pivot]

Yi Sang the literal goat 💔

I'm sure it comforts Dante knowing there's one (1) person who likes their cooking though

[ebon forge]

eh?

[split beacon]

Yi Sang likes wack ass food

He’s the potaster

[ebon forge]

dude would fall in love with a potato if it talked to him

[faint pivot]

Same image twice?

[ebon forge]

(it didnt talk)

(it cant)

[faint pivot]

I like it and support the agenda but I'm wondering if that was intentional

[stoic fjord]

It's 12:30 am cut me some slack

I'm reading fanfiction while posting

[faint pivot]

Just making sure we aren't missing out cause these are good stuff

[stoic fjord]

Oh yeah fair

[neat cedar]

Dante rsally needs to learn how to take a punch

or even throw one

i guess Dante's pain tolerance is prob lije

skynhigh rn

[faint pivot]

They took that hit from ||Sora pretty well at least!|| Canto 9 part 2

[split beacon]

Just give that clock a handgun tbh

[neat cedar]

considering they have experienced perhaos every way known to man

to die in horrible and excruciating pain

[stoic fjord]

Lowkey I think Dante's pain tolerance might just be high enough that most shit just doesn't bother them

[neat cedar]

oh it does bother them

[uneven canopy]

oh yea dante does just go through multiple fatal death pains huh

[neat cedar]

but ya know, they can worj througg it

[faint pivot]

Ways unknown too

[stoic fjord]

Yeah, true

[neat cedar]

mhmm

[faint pivot]

Literally can't drown twelve times simultaneously

[stoic fjord]

Though also I figure at a certain point even like

[neat cedar]

it is an easy thing to forget but ye

they feel every death

when they rewind

[stoic fjord]

Getting shot in the stomach or smth

[neat cedar]

I mean they'll stay conscious

[gentle mulch]

yeah

[neat cedar]

but pain tolerance =/= durability

[gentle mulch]

like

they still feel a ton of pain all the time bc of lcb and power through p much fine

[stoic fjord]

Starts to not feel like much after experiencing dozens of deaths every day and needing to force open the gates of hell each time

[gentle mulch]

but it's still surpassable as evidenced by Faust detailing how bad it'd be for a sinner to be rewound from being an art piece

[neat cedar]

also

a thought that came up recently in another server but

holy hdll dante has basixally only known trauma

sense they woke up

like people mentioned that they think Dante should be less of a goober or more attenative from time to time

[uneven canopy]

tabula rasa being filled with pain, death, and misery

[neat cedar]

but i think.dante's amenesia kinda reallt bones them over when it comes to like

[gentle mulch]

dante truly is the hell screen

[neat cedar]

planning and introsoection

bevause for their known life

all they have really been able to do

is react

and try to adapt

[stoic fjord]

I wonder if them being a goober is perhaps in part a defense mechanism for all the shit they've gone through in under 2 years with no framework to support it all

[neat cedar]

i think that the ling break between spring cultivation and this canto is part of why ||Dante was so willing to trust Sora||

||They had let their guard down ti betrayal because it had just been so long since they needed to deal with that and they could just relax||

and now that we're in, essentially

[stoic fjord]

I think also because Dante is just a kind and compassionate person and so Sora being in distress contributed as well

[neat cedar]

the end game stretcg

that shit prob isn't gonna fly anymore

[ebon forge]

also sora is genuinely kindhearted, no?

[neat cedar]

in genuine distress at that too

ye

||She was sus but not in a way that had anything ti do with her intentions||

[stoic fjord]

Yeah, she's just also so completely loyal to the prescripts and such

[cosmic gorge]

Slice of Life Adventures in Idyllic Hongyuan before this canto

[ebon forge]

if you could remove that from her being she'd be like

the perfect sinner 13

[stoic fjord]

||Like she genuinely does not want to hurt people, avoids it if she can help it, etc. She wants to have friends and talk to people ||

[stoic fjord]

14

[neat cedar]

we have a sinner 13

lol

[ebon forge]

right 14 lmao

[stoic fjord]

This is further fueling my desire to make a fanfiction where the 5 apprentices are just a friend group of normal-ish teenagers without all the shitty parents and fucked up lives

[neat cedar]

i saw a post of that

[stoic fjord]

I need the cleanse

[neat cedar]

with young mom ryoshu too

[ebon forge]

gonna ship lucio x sinclair or something

[split beacon]

I find it so funny that people call Sora an industry plant fan favourite

[ebon forge]

lucio x rodion (actually wholesome?)

[neat cedar]

pfft

[split beacon]

Like yeah, they made a character appealing on purpose

And it worked

[neat cedar]

real

like

that is all of the Apprentices

[split beacon]

Oh no, my lobster is too buttery, my steak is too juicy…

[neat cedar]

they are all very much designed to be liked

and it has worked

flawlessly

[stoic fjord]

Protective instincts i didn't know I had fired up the moment I laid eyes upon Lucio and Sora

[cosmic gorge]

I say again
Lucio looks like a genshin char my angst eating friends would jump onto

[ebon forge]

pmoon isnt the best at making super good stories imo, they're good and all

but i think pmoon makes their stories so incredibly good through characterization

like, they manage to sell characters so fucking well in seconds if they want

we knew sora for like, THREE nodes

and everyone would be willing to die for her lmao

[stoic fjord]

They genuinely did so much in so little time with like, every single side character ever

[neat cedar]

contrary to popular belief

[split beacon]

They’re pretty skilled at compelling stories too, but yeah, the core of pjm is their character drama skills

[stoic fjord]

Yuri, Xichun, Wei, Zilu, Zigong, Jia Qiu, etc.

[ebon forge]

tbh though im not the biggest fan of the way they wrote limbus

[neat cedar]

it is not difficult to make appealong characters but it is hard to keep thrm.that way if you over use them

[ebon forge]

but the drama and writing is so fucking good tbh

[neat cedar]

all of LCE

[stoic fjord]

Ran, Shrenne, the LCE- yeah

[ebon forge]

Everyone agrees, Jia Qiu is the fucking GOAT

[neat cedar]

LCE are the most destined to die group

i have ver seen

[stoic fjord]

Not quite, imo

[neat cedar]

made even more so because each one literslly is wearing self killong egos

[stoic fjord]

Hohenheim specifically is destined to never ever die

[neat cedar]

tru

Hoenheim is destined to suffer

butbye, the writing has been on the wall for so long

but people still cling to them

[stoic fjord]

PMoon has made so many genuinely amazing minor characters that you fall in love with in moments

Library of Ruina is incredible in a fairly large part for this reason tbh

[neat cedar]

they have also made some wonderfully despocable villains too

[stoic fjord]

Indeed

[split beacon]

Anyways I hope the apprentices will be OK

[neat cedar]

Same

i think they likely will be

but it's not like

[split beacon]

I think it would undermine the point of the story a little if we killed them

[neat cedar]

a 100% thing

ye

[stoic fjord]

And like, they manage to go between or balance more grounded stuff with more crazy shit and do it perfectly

[ebon forge]

library of ruina on the nintendo switch

[stoic fjord]

Like, with Canto 8

[neat cedar]

Canto 8, aka "Oh. . . so that's why he's like that"

[stoic fjord]

It's kind of batshit insane but also just so fucking real

[neat cedar]

like canto 9 is an equally batsgit story thread

but also

it's just a very honest depiction of domestic abuse scenarios

[stoic fjord]

It's so raw and real despite being so conceptually wild

[neat cedar]

and we're only in act 2

hehehehehehehe

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

[stoic fjord]

I'm not ready for part 3

Can't wait for the Mili song to shoot me in the chest 57 times

[neat cedar]

Mili sing is gonna tear uo my hearf

i can feel it

[uneven canopy]

we're getting 3 parts right?

[neat cedar]

ye

[ebon forge]

yeah

[neat cedar]

no id this week

we may get a preview

once part 3 drops or sometime after

[stoic fjord]

Mili cooking up a song that makes my chest tighten and my eyes tear up every time I listen to it:

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[cosmic gorge]

Why dont we get four parts

For the theming

[stoic fjord]

Ngl that might be in the cards

[split beacon]

it would be KINDA sick

[ebon forge]

Ngl it’d be cool as fuck

[tired canyon]

||You know

If don decided to let her toes out during the war

That gathering might be the strongest force that the city has seen since the library||

[gentle mulch]

absolutely nuclear detonation

also i would mark the fuck out if part 3 dropped and it said the next part would be unlocked the week after

like what the FUCK do you mean part 4

[ebon forge]

If the Nursefathers realize lord Horikawa is a bitch ass and join the LCB we’d have Lei Heng Pt. 2: The Ripped Headaloo

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jankyrondo-jankyrondo-jump-guy-jumping-reaction-guy-jumping-match-guy-jumping-off-chair-live-gif-11791436945084946417

[faint pivot]

We need art of this tbh

Have them be in the school AU alongside the sinners

Replace their shitty parents with Vergilius

[ebon forge]

https://youtu.be/v0gndhx6k3s

[faint pivot]

Came for the thumbnail, stayed for the video

[cosmic gorge]

oh thats why mersault is there
not because of the sun motif, but because ||the music is French||

[neat cedar]

moood

[atomic steeple]

Ryoshu be like dr house
In one episode, he talks with a doctor from his about her neurodegenerative disease, and says he'll kill her before it gets too bad. Saying he has a bat and is ready for when the time comes

[atomic steeple]

Oh, got an affectinate nickname for outis eh?

[atomic steeple]

Though in disco elysium, the pain skill is an expert on wounds and can reduce/stop you from taking damage

[atomic steeple]

Sora x albina x kira

[atomic steeple]

I need zilu x zigong wedding

[atomic steeple]

The named guests could each be protagonists of stories

[golden meadow]

Jia qiu officiates it

[atomic steeple]

Burnice burnice burnice
Go go

[neat cedar]

. . .

someone in abother server

brought something to mind about info learned this canto

If the head has a taboo against explosives that aren't planted, then Faust was absolutelt bullshiting dante about their being explosivs in his head

[cosmic gorge]

Au contrare

The Clockbomb is "planted" on the body of Dant is it not

[neat cedar]

mayhaps

it's very

fucky

but also believably fucky

i dunno i'm.just starting to wonder if Limbus would really place an explosive device in dante's head when he does seem.to be of some bigger use

[stoic fjord]

Oh, huh, I play 3 different games where she's a VA then

Neat

[stoic fjord]

I'm interested in how a school AU would be considering the variety of backgrounds/ages for the sinners

[cosmic gorge]

Ships would get real weird for sure if some are students and some are teachers/professors

[stoic fjord]

Alternatively it doesn't count as a bomb due to some sort of semantics with the Boughs

[cosmic gorge]

"light isnt an explosive ☝️ 🤓 "

-the all knowing fau

[stoic fjord]

I figure that it's more along the lines of "PURGING DIVINE LIGHT OF HEAVEN CARMEN BLAST"

Though also yeah we have reason to doubt that LC would really destroy the boughs so easily...

[atomic steeple]

College

Can have bigger age variation

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh true

I think Dante as a professor would be fun...

[faint pivot]

Didn't someone here send art of Heath flipping Sinc the bird at an arcade?

[stoic fjord]

I dunno

[faint pivot]

With Donqui cheering the latter on after a loss and both Jia siblings spectating the former

Need to dig that up, twas pretty peam

[stoic fjord]

Jia Qiu philosophy teacher

[cosmic gorge]

The one where they were at a net cafe?

At a bygone age ph net cafe?

If so its by
Actually

[stoic fjord]

Okay so for the sinners

Who I would make students and who I would make staff

[cosmic gorge]

Ishmael is either the class rep or a depressed lecturer

Book ishmael was a sad teacher before getting on a boat to fill his death drive

[faint pivot]

Yes

[stoic fjord]

Yi Sang - Student - weird, kind of gloomy kid. Likes poetry. Aspiring writer.
Faust - Student - has spent entirely too much time self-studying, she's here because she wants to talk to other smart people more
Don Quixote - Professor (Spanish, maybe?) - often confused for a student.
Ryoshu - Professor (Art) - Eccentric, but genuinely quite the teacher if you can vibe with her class. A bit macabre at times. Has a sword hanging on her wall. Will not give any information about it or why she has it.
Ishmael - Student - Class rep. The person doing all the work in group projects. Likes TTRPGs, has an interest in boats/sailing.
Hong Lu - Student - Here because his rich family donated a large sum of money to the college. Whimsical and joyful around others but also deeply concerning in terms of mental health if you dig deeper at all
Heathcliff- Student - has a girlfriend but she goes to a different college trust me bro she's real. Here on a sports scholarship. Really smart! Just doesn't really try a lot of the time.
Rodion - Professor (Statistics) - gambling addiction. In a situationship with Gregor. On tenure, so she's a bit erratic at times.
Dante - Professor (Classic Literature) - new hire. Kind of frazzled. Doesn't know how to handle college kids, here after a few years of being a middle school teacher. Qualified and genuinely intelligent, also just kind of freaked out teaching people close to their age. Still has a clock head. This one actually tells the time.
Sinclair - Student - he's Sinclair ngl i can't think of much to add for a school AU that wouldn't have been there before
Outis - Student - Returning after military service to finish her Masters and PhD in engineering. Intimidating, sometimes unintentionally. Loves her wife and children very much
Gregor - Professor (Biology) - on tenure. War veteran with an arm amputated at the elbow. Has a prosthetic.

Is that everyone

Yi Sang, Faust, Don, Ryo, Ishmael, Hong Lu, Heathcliff, Rodion, Dante, Sinclair, Outis, Gregor

It is!

Vergilius is a history teacher. Strict, but a good professor. Often brings his daughter Charon (15) to class after a major medical emergency/incident that led to her becoming a lot less independent. Lowkey a softie

Charon has a special interest in public transportation :3

Rodion and Gregor are T4T in this universe because I am its god and can decide these sorts of things

Lowkey I'm cooking with this

On a roll

The apprentices are all friends with shitty parents who ended up at the same college together after high school, even with their different areas of study and contrasting personalities

[atomic steeple]

College
Sinclair majors in medicine and deals with prejudices he has deep down

[stoic fjord]

Ooooo true

[atomic steeple]

Don quixote has done multiple courses, everyone thinks it's her first time in college but she's like, 35

[stoic fjord]

Faust having a one-sided rivalry with Heathcliff would be funny

He beats her once in chess and now it's a blood feud

[atomic steeple]

Ryoshu seems older but is young. Edgy, both exposed to traumatic shit and sheltered. Gets along with Angela due to this

Outis is a strict professor
Gregor is old but in college to expand his skill set

[vagrant dove]

Rodya as the tenured professor is a perfect read lmao

[atomic steeple]

Ishmael is a good student, and also plays a sport

She used to be a cheerleader but joined queequeg's team

[stoic fjord]

I made her teach statistics for the funny

She knows the odds and still does it because she's the GOAT fr

She's like, genuinely a fucking genius with numbers but only uses it at the casino tables

Dante being a former middle school teacher who's a new professor on their first year of being a professor was funny and fitting to me

Vergilius seems like he'd be a strict but cool history teacher

[cosmic gorge]

"shuckeroonies!"

[stoic fjord]

No nonsense, but if you care about the class and put in the work he wants from you, you're gonna learn so fucking much

[cosmic gorge]

"oi prof you know we can say fuck right"

[vagrant dove]

Statistics is a fire choice, I can already see her sneaking gambling into the curriculum a la Spring Cultivation

[stoic fjord]

Exactly

[stoic fjord]

"I'm teaching you guys how to play poker."

[vagrant dove]

I've always hced Rodya as having a head for numbers but only really applying herself when say, card counting is involved

[vagrant dove]

And yeah Dante 100% fits that vibe

[vagrant dove]

Still so funny to me that out of everything the only time I think we've seen Dante actually swear was the April Fools event

[cosmic gorge]

Alt dantes:

Awkward guidance counselor, goofy youth pastor

[atomic steeple]

Probably notices if a student does bad due to something going on in their life

[cosmic gorge]

"let's talk about your anger issues heathcliff. It's good to know how to properly manage your emotions! Uhh, you know who else ran around a public place hitting people with a belt...?"

[wild mango]

Ok PLEASE do hoenheim then

[vagrant dove]

the nerd beef will reach new heights

[wild mango]

In terms of rivalries and Faust

[atomic steeple]

Hohenheim is further along his career than her

Probably pursueing phd while faust is post grad

[wild mango]

Jia qiu as a philosophy professor would kick so much ass tho

[atomic steeple]

In this au, the gang still goes abd kills the elders

[wild mango]

||hong Lu still hits em with a domain expansion, it’s never explained or talked about again||

[atomic steeple]

Angela inherits her father's wealth and the college with sephirah as professors except tiphereth
That or she founds a library and goes to the college, to expand her knowledge to run the business

[cloud wadi]

Sottocapo are per cardinal direction I think

Since they seem equivalent to great brothers

[wild mango]

I do like the idea of the apprentices all bonding in high school over their shitty parents then going to the same college to get away from them

Albina goes for biomedical engineering and 3d prints prosthetics

(Idk what the others would do for)

[atomic steeple]

Sora as a sociologist

Or arts

[cloud wadi]

Sora writes for the school journal

[wild mango]

Sora wants to get a lot out of college so just ends up doing a bunch of random shit extracurricular wise

Lucio does fencing, ren does kendo

[vagrant dove]

Kira strikes me as the arts student tbh

(To get into the comics industry)

[stoic fjord]

Kira is an art kid in a very different way than Albina but still an art kid I think

[wild mango]

And Kira is the top of the PRs in the fighting game community there

[vagrant dove]

That or an aspiring writer

[stoic fjord]

And I like to imagine Kira and Sora getting along well

[cloud wadi]

I think their personalities don’t really mesh well haha

[wild mango]

Mmmm

[vagrant dove]

Ren gives philosophy vibes

[wild mango]

I feel like Kira goes for digital arts

[cloud wadi]

Kira is a surface level consumer of like

Arts and games and literature and stuff

Doesn’t really do deep analysis than “it sounds cool”

Sora’s the type to over analyze that shit

[wild mango]

Fair

[vagrant dove]

Ehhh I think she's capable of going a bit deeper, given she's able to talk for three/four hours about her favourite book

A hyperfixation that strong probably means she has Thoughts

[cloud wadi]

Yeah but her favorite book is a long running Murim series

[stoic fjord]

Okay yeah true

[cloud wadi]

That shit usually has enough details that you can just talk about the details for four hours

Without going into whether the plot actually makes sense

Or whether it has any interesting themes

[vagrant dove]

Fair enough

[cloud wadi]

She also chews Sora out for like

Over analyzing her favorite book lmfao

[vagrant dove]

Oh true she does do that

[cloud wadi]

Her exact words are “what kind of people think about this kind of stuff anyways?!”

[vagrant dove]

Send this man to Binah's seminars

[cloud wadi]

Or more or less

Ren notably has wanderlust

Which makes him a good pinkie actually lmfao

So he’s probably constantly missing classes

Or otherwise playing hooky

[vagrant dove]

Bro ends up travelling to a entirely different part of town during his commute

[cloud wadi]

Never where he’s supposed to be

Honestly Kira reminds me of like a quote from sss class revival Hunter

[dusty sigil]

She’s in it for the hype moments and aura

Her favorite manga is sakamoto days

[cloud wadi]

About how it’s immature to believe in chivalry but not immature to live it

Or something along those lines

Aeng Du isn’t immature because she actually lives up to the ideal of a chivalrous swordswoman

Kira is immature because she just finds the aesthetic of chivalrous swordsmen cool

[vagrant dove]

Yeah I see the vision now

[cloud wadi]

Immaturity is kinda like the theme with both her and Matthias after all

They both ||never grew up past the stage of a kid angry that their parents never pay attention to them||

[keen palm]

Did you notice that Matthias grew like

Two feet

From the Canto 9 trailer

[cloud wadi]

Maybe it’s just the augmentation surgeries

That man is basically city equivalent of Adam smasher

[keen palm]

Oh I rewatched it

Hes crouched down

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[keen palm]

Its just hard to tell since hes all blobby

[cloud wadi]

Ryoshu’s kids days are numbered

Do you think we’ll get Sora announcer or index nursefather announcer later this season

[vagrant dove]

Sora announcer would be pretty cool

[rose girder]

SORA IS MY BABYGIRL I LOVE HER SO MUCH SHE'S SO CUTE

[vagrant dove]

Holding out hope for a vespa/moses/ezra announcer too

Since I love their dynamic

[rose girder]

i genuinely hope the apprentices survive

my friend thinks it would be fitting with the canto's message (sins of the father etc etc

[vagrant dove]

Same, I do hope the apprentices survive the upcoming Events

Please kjh, don't kill your likeable side characters for once 🙏

Have mercy

[rose girder]

and then we started theorizing (basically cope ficwriting but.) that the lcd will adopt them

[vagrant dove]

I'm deep in the cope myself (Alyssa won't die in a manner that worsens Hohenheim's survivors guilt complex, right?)

Death flags? What are those?

[rose girder]

i think hohenheim himself might die or corrode possibly

[vagrant dove]

Definite possibility

Sidenote; I just know whatever Mili's cooking this canto is going to destroy me on a spiritual and emotional level

[atomic steeple]

Canto 9 and 10 will destroy me

I wonder what mechanics would best match Index in other card games

Really, the pmoon factions

Maybe draw card, and send to graveyard if you don't use it this turn.
Maybe effects that you need to sacrifice multiple cards of a specific category to pay for

[rose girder]

my friend group are betting it's definitely gonna be the most soulcrushing lullaby

OH BY THE WAY

[atomic steeple]

So you hope to get lucky on your draws

[rose girder]

ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THAT ARAYA HAS THE BLUE MAN GROUP NAMEPLATE COLORS

[atomic steeple]

The floating cryptic baby

[rose girder]

truly no wonder ryoshu treats sinclair like something of a son

[vagrant dove]

Yeah that's my bet as well

[atomic steeple]

I find it hilarious sinclair might be akin to a younger brother

Oh gods, sinclair might be more acquainted with the world than ryoshu

[vagrant dove]

He did have a fairly normal upbringing until The Incident, so that's a definite possibility

[cloud wadi]

Just two more days

Until we nuke what’s left of Ryoshu’s sanity

[vagrant dove]

And ours!

[cloud wadi]

Oh no we’ll be fine

We thrive on other peoples suffering

Sucks to be them though

[vagrant dove]

If they do a thing with Araya and Ryoshu singing Pass On together I don't think I will recover

[cloud wadi]

I like how Vergil is somehow more of a brute force problem solver than Kali now that I think about it lmfao

Geburah: emphasizes the importance of using the right tool for the job

Vergil: “I know it might be difficult for someone of your caliber but usually having sufficient force allows you to ignore gimmicks”

[lean fjord]

And he's right

[stoic fjord]

MFE when I just fucking blast it with 7 dark flame 99 burn instead of dealing with its bullshit

[vagrant dove]

Silence abnormality! Superthermogenesis

[cloud wadi]

Silence abnormality eat 100 attack power

[stoic fjord]

Time to take this to heart

With Judgement Bird

Surely I can just brute force it by focus firing all 4 librarians for 2 turns

[lean fjord]

You actually can

[cloud wadi]

Fairly sure that’s actually possible

[keen palm]

I really hope we get to Mersault's Canto and he's just like "Non, I had a great childhood."

"My Maman was fantastic."

[gentle mulch]

if we get a sora announcer I'm

im going to stay envious of people who have lei heng announcer

and add on top of that

[cloud wadi]

Meursault’s mother was fantastic

Which is why he killed her

[gentle mulch]

Old Lady EGO when

[wild mango]

||I am not hopeful about any of the apprentices surviving tbh||

and yes sora is a cinnamon roll, too pure for this world

[atomic steeple]

Two?

[atomic steeple]

That's the thing
You must respect an abno's gimmick
But a lot of time you can just respect it enough to bash its skull in

[wild mango]

I have a prediction

||all 5 apprentices at once in the dungeon||

||you thought trio was hard, motherfucker?||

[vagrant dove]

MDE secret boss of every nursefather at once /j

Trust me, my eighth cousin's roommate works at PM

[lean fjord]

I doubt it personally
all of them together would give like no space for their gimmicks

[random spindle]

give rien a new mechanic to intercept with his defense skills and it could maybe work. becomes 4 units and an obstacle

[tired canyon]

...so how much weigt do we put in the theory that

||The dihui star we fought isnt the dihui star

and is actually araya||

[atomic steeple]

Would muddle things up

||best to keep the previous and next generations separate, and their aggression against ryoshu would have different weights||

[stoic fjord]

Zilu and Zigong are getting married and Jia Qiu is officiating the wedding

I heard this from KJH himself

[eternal berry]

Personally it’s ||close to zero for me||

[lean fjord]

and if we get more apprentice fights, I'd rather they get solo ones to properly showcase their mechanics

I wanna see how a true Albina fight would look, or Ren by himself when he isn't just trying to stall

[keen palm]

Hey

hey wait a minute

Every Sinner background in their splash is their backstorry right

[split beacon]

seems that way

how we know the Middle are bums: despite their shades being Gucci, they are still harmed by words.

[keen palm]

Why is Gregor the size of the buildings

why are the bugs human size

[split beacon]

probably because his TRUE backstory is the disaster situation coming in June 985 and the people of the City will be stamped out like cockroaches before the coming purification or something

[keen palm]

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WHY GREGOR THE SIZE OF BUILDINGS