Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[split parcel]

Squid MO right?

[blissful sparrow]

Extract Rare Sample count from 2 Squid Planets yeah

[keen zinc]

One planets done we just gotta get the samples off the second one

[delicate aspen]

@keen zinc you up for squiddin?

[trail creek]

Sorry for the random lore question but is there a chance helldivers are clones? I always wondered because when you drop in again you have the same armor you still have the same experience with all the weapons and you still have the same rank

[delicate aspen]

afaik we're all clones yeah? since the whole life expectancy is 7 mins or somethin like that

[keen zinc]

No, we are not clones

Every single Helldiver is a naive patriotic youth frozen at the crop of their life and then sent into a chaotic battlefield to die in, on average, 23 seconds

We have been getting harvested and frozen from a galactic population of trillions and frozen en masse for a century

We are bullets fired out of a gun

[trail creek]

A thought I had was that if u reached a certain rank or something they might clone u but that’s probably also not true then

[delicate aspen]

isnt that kriegers from 40k? with the 20 sec

[keen zinc]

No

Helldivers don't last long out of cryo

The ones that do don't make up for the ones that die almost instantly after landing

But we are legitimately expendable

[delicate aspen]

one day they'll just make us into a walking 500kg with a deadmans switch

[keen zinc]

Eh, we fill a double role as propaganda pieces

The Helldivers original purpose was quelling insurrection by murdering local legislatures

Doing it fast and overwhelmingly so that the proof outpaced the pudding

correction: the average lifespan in combat of a helldiver is 2 minutes

[glacial light]

The devs confirm the helldivers are not clones

[trail creek]

What I find interesting is that in the first game we regularly lost the galactic war but in the 2nd one I don’t think that has ever happened

[keen zinc]

thats because it was a cyclical game mechanic and wasnt meant to be a linear narrative

[glacial light]

Hd1 was much much smaller

[keen zinc]

HD2 is going for a linear narrative, and so a canon is established that we won HD1 on all fronts

[trail creek]

I also remember it as much more difficult but idk if that’s the case

[keen zinc]

Helldivers were much less expendible in HD1 as well

still replaceable, but not quite so flagrantly toss-asideable

[trail creek]

I miss my bayonet

[delicate aspen]

we had actual good tanks too

[keen zinc]

HD1 constitution come back to me

[delicate aspen]

the thing i miss from hd1 is the staggered initial drop cause sometimes the game would just force you to teamkill

[trail creek]

I don’t remember that part

[delicate aspen]

yeah it was wild, sometimes youd land on others if you were the later to drop, was rare but still comedy when it did

[keen zinc]

https://discord.gg/NPsDAtpz

[trail creek]

My favourite part Abt helldivers 1 were the bayonets

My beloved burst rifle

[strange vine]

HD2 Bastion is way better than HD1 Bastion, which was really way more of a meme

now HD1 exos were miles ahead of HD2 ones, tbh

give us the fucking stratagem launcher i know its in the fucking model

also like double their health, minimum

[glacial light]

AH give mechs stratagem launchers and my life is yours!

[blissful sparrow]

it still does that
i've died multiple times as the host by someone with a slower load time dropping on my head

[odd arch]

I'm not disputing the possibility that 20 secs were mentioned at some point but generally kriegers are less suicidal and more competent than helldivers

which is really reflecting poorly on helldivers

[keen zinc]

yeah

kriegers are down to die for the cause but not for nothing

[odd arch]

well, not the competence part, kriegers are thoroughly trained, not even a contest

but yeah

kriegers explicitly seek absolution in death and they approach it with more sense and results than helldivers who mostly want to live

[glacial light]

Average guard in 40k is very well trained by today's standards considering many start very very young

[odd arch]

if we gave stratagem balls to kriegers the war would be over last year

a lot less hype moments and aura farming tho

[glacial light]

That is the fun part, the individual frontline guard is hypercompetent with the weakest weapons/armor

Helldivers are the reverse, we knew some gun handling as it's the norm for SE citizens, became 18, did the tutorial, got shipped off and given more explosives than sense

[tall stone]

Longest I've had a Helldiver live was 5 missions

[odd arch]

I could probably get a decent streak if I weren't playing for the bit

also instant death pits and getting stuck on terrain

the last game I played here I died to terrain four times and took little damage otherwise

the real enemy of democracy is dirt

you could say situational awareness but no

that pit got in my way

[glacial light]

My longest probably would have been democracy protects supply pack days

The enemy can't kill you if you take more Stims and are democratic enough

[strange vine]

stims are 95% of what makes helldivers tanky

[keen zinc]

yeah

kinda wish theyd undo that change, tankier baseline and less reliance on pre-stimming for danger

[blissful sparrow]

feeling project wingman flashbacks

[keen zinc]

this planet has like a 20 percent daytime zone

the rest is perpetual darkness

[keen zinc]

IED watcher

[blissful sparrow]

i think thats those Just Stop Oil Protesters blocking the road again

[keen zinc]

@trail nymph @delicate aspen our helldivers after that last mission https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xXbUrByssGY

[heady halo]

maybe they will add a magna carta for the next celebration

or call it like. the social contract. tho that should be an overheat gun that kills you

[keen zinc]

this cheeto dust planet is so fun

cant see shit ever

this is where they get the dust for all our cheesy snacks

it literally rains from the sky like sand

[delicate aspen]

dont leave fleshmobs alone with cars i learned

[keen zinc]

somethings going on on this cheeto planet

things are funny

[knotty folio]

Watchers explode when they land, it's very funny when you die to them

I've made the mistake of meleeing them before

[keen zinc]

this planets flaming hot cheeto dust atmosphere and every helldiver has a funny car

feels like a cartoon

[glacial light]

Playing around with the gunslinger armor made me wish secondaries had attachments

[delicate aspen]

the fleshmobs just fuck my cars on this planet 🙁

[keen zinc]

that they do

they out there eatin bugs on cheeto planet

[glacial light]

If 710 can fuel a super destroyer it can fuel a citizen just fine

[keen zinc]

mm crude oil

i am enjoying this fit

the passive is whatever but i like the look

[glacial light]

Crude old was what that the primitive early earth used, 710 is refined for SE's finest

[keen zinc]

i member when we just called the bugs bugs and called the oil oil

back in the first war

[strange vine]

damn thats good

[glacial light]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/s/USbeacUH37

[graceful bluff]

Somehow the least amounts of friendly fire because of the arming distance :v

[unreal merlin]

fuzes are broken so it just donks things with direct hits

[blissful sparrow]

as an avid user of 40mils, arming distance vs bugs just means the grenade bounces of their forehead, flies straight up into the sky and then falls on your head, having travelled far enough by now to detonate

[graceful bluff]

Or bonk it against the ground so it goes under the bug and explodes in the middle of the group

[keen zinc]

Apparently I just don't need to sleep that much anymore

Eat Sleep Dive Repeat

[keen zinc]

finally happened

on cheeto planet

[keen zinc]

i am now a real human bean

[weary granite]

Damn bruh

[keen zinc]

I have fulfilled my duty to snuper earth

[cobalt patrol]

Ngl, i would kind of love a rock hucker Drone

[keen zinc]

https://youtu.be/JUmGUecdj1o?si=DbOQ3DGdwo339WBv

<@&1206091872716595200>

ITS A LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY

[graceful bluff]

Give me a greatcoat AH

[keen zinc]

Brits rejoice the SMG is a sten

[graceful bluff]

With underbarrel flamethrower

[keen zinc]

Gas mortar sentry is gonna be fun

[graceful bluff]

holy shit they finally gave us the shovel

[keen zinc]

I was hoping for a mortar emplacement but I'll take it

[rotund marten]

I knew I saved these 1000 SCs for a reason

gas mortar probably really nice

[graceful bluff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-tick-tock-tf2-TdpHf46bYVw0nKJ9F1

I can finally finish my soldier build

Shotgun, Epoch, Shovel

[keen zinc]

I didn't see a trench shotgun tho

Maybe I missed it

[burnt vapor]

I think they mean they finally have the shovel

[graceful bluff]

double barrel or the halo one

yeah

[burnt vapor]

Backpack Flamer looks so fun

[dim summit]

there's no straight up trench broom but we have the SG-8s, the M90 and the double barrel

[keen zinc]

Plus maybe they'll buff the Constitution

[dim summit]

Honestly, full fire build looks like it's gonna go crazy

[burnt vapor]

The buffed constitution is just the Amendment no?

[dim summit]

the smg might be something I run regularly

especially it it's one handed

[keen zinc]

Very different

Also they might add something to the super store too

My dreams of trench shotgun are not dashed yet

[dim summit]

tbh I want a semi auto tube fed shotgun instead of another pump action or a box mag one

[keen zinc]

Yeah

At least a trench gun can be slam fired

Which is basically semi auto

If youre hard enough

[dim summit]

yeah, but gimme a space SPAS

[keen zinc]

Truuuuee

Oooh and the spas could even be one handed

Because of the hook stock

One handed semi auto shotgun primary

For use with the ballistic shield

Proper swat man

[lethal delta]

Imagine a +25 armour +blast resistance armour

I can dream...

[keen zinc]

I wonder what the armor passive for the trench gear is

It seems very armor plated

Front facing armor?

Like WW1 trench raiders?

[dim summit]

like a 4-5 shell tube semi auto might be really fun

[keen zinc]

5+1

[idle hollow]

feels wrong that there's no trench whistle

[keen zinc]

That's what the flag is for

[graceful bluff]

I also apologize in advance because the gas mortar will be a permanent part of my kit

[keen zinc]

Honestly valid

Kinda what gas is good at

[graceful bluff]

epoch jetpack gas mortar mg sentry

[keen zinc]

Plus I wear partial gas resist armor now

I think

Desert stormer

So, fire, gas, blue yellow pink whatever

[dusty spruce]

That toggle lock pistol looks real neat

[keen zinc]

maybe i am coping but the stripper clip focus on the toggle lock pistol

makes me think Constitution will get one

[delicate aspen]

oh shit, backback flamer

im sure the friendly fire will be uninterrupted

[keen zinc]

the giga grenade might just be my thing

but also might not

if we get 2, its lit

[delicate aspen]

yeah, if its more than 1, we're plain sailin

[keen zinc]

yarp

bonus if it can land at the feet of a strider and still kill it

could make for fun Grenadier build

[delicate aspen]

wonder wat the SC store extras will be

[keen zinc]

i wonder how on track we are

[keen zinc]

probs a heavy armor and a gun

the super slow mo zoom in on the stripper clip action makes me feel like the Constitution will be getting something, which is good because a bolt action rifle with bayonet fits the trench theme just as much

[delicate aspen]

if they give the conny a secret buff i think a few more people will take it outside of just being a meme option

[keen zinc]

Senator treatment

let me plink

we can all be trench raiders

with rifles and shotguns and smgs

[rotund marten]

apparently new armour passive is part explosive, part gas DR, plus secondary recoil

which is kind of a wild combo

[keen zinc]

interesting

i thought i saw armor bounces and figured front facing light armor plate

[rotund marten]

that would also be sick

[keen zinc]

might just be hallucinating

[rotund marten]

march 17th, so right when I get back from this conference

[keen zinc]

long way to tipperary

[delicate aspen]

i got a week to cap out on medals

more apt, resist the urge to spend them on random shit

[rotund marten]

I'm so broke on medals

still need to save up enough for Urchin and K-9 since for some reason Force of Law requires a zillion medals

and we haven't had any MOs pop for a while

[delicate aspen]

once this flat inspection is over, anyone down to visit cheeto planet?

[short rune]

https://youtu.be/k3zP5GWoQi0?si=eV62XPGATPf4zFEo

[keen zinc]

i will be around

[dusty spruce]

I’m thinking trench gun. We have an smg in the warbond, and already have a few battle rifle-type marksman rifles. A full-on assault rifle probably wouldn’t mesh with the theme. Some sort of shotgun would match the trench idea best

[short rune]

||It will be a Trench Gun||

[rotund marten]

I wonder how good the sten w/ flamer will be at popping devs/overseers, because it looks like the exact kind of flexible I like

[short rune]

||I saw something like that in a leak together with the weapons in the trailer||

[ionic holly]

Datamined stuff so ill spoiler tag

|| I believe one of them is gonna be a trench gun? at the very least we've had the model for a trench gun sitting around for a while and this sorta feels like the warbond for it||

[short rune]

This one was posted with the rest.
Spoiler because Data-mined content

[cobalt patrol]

Almost certainly it'll be the shop item

[short rune]

Is not in the trailer

[graceful bluff]

Truly I will be soldier gaming

[short rune]

So I would think so

[ionic holly]

more datamined stuff, ||likely coming with heavy armour given the one on the left, the one on the right is the siege breaker's medium armour||

|| the heavy armour kinda reminds me of the farina armour, more so the battlefield version||

[keen zinc]

neato

[keen zinc]

loong tube

hoping for 8+1 in the M90A gauge

without the pitiful ammo supply of the M90A

or firing flechettes like the Halt

yall cyborgs on super earth city maps kinda awesome

gotta say the fog on these city planets is thick

[dusty spruce]

Wonder if that is a sight on the very end or a canted bayonet lug

Bayonet shotgun would be amazing

[keen zinc]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/520866219114367440

this planet combines a lot of what makes bots Fun

[dusty spruce]

Oh, the armors don’t have the same passive

[south temple]

jet rounds on the pistol seems like it’s gonna be sweet

[keen zinc]

cyborg city planet FUN

actually getting to use eagles against cyborgs fun

this is the type of urban combat i love

[indigo bear]

Oooh, that gas mortar looks nice

But I think I'm most interested in the shovel. I love digging out a cover position on the bot front

[keen zinc]

the power of knee high cover on the bot front cannot be underestimated

https://discord.gg/vA7rE7QM <@&1206091872716595200>

cheeto city needs heroes

[blissful sparrow]

i wonder if the map dropped shovel stays and you can grab a secondary and a support shovel

[strange vine]

it has to stay cause they have the poi that requires digging for samples (or throwing an explosive or going prone and sticking your hand into solid earth, but shh)

[blissful sparrow]

it might switch to a secondary slot too, but tbh that seems like it might introduce massive amounts of jank considering secondaries were never an interactible item on the map.
So yeah, will probably stay a strategen slot thing

[tight zephyr]

You know what I'd like? If you could switch fire modes by hitting the number for that weapon once it's equipped.

Cycling through fire rate or toggling the secondary attachment.

[glacial light]

Pocket Dominator here we go

[keen zinc]

nah nah

JAR Pistol

the JARP

twang twang twang

[dark plover]

Gas mortar yooooooooo

[ivory swallow]

do the eagle airstrike and orbital gatling have different uses?

i find 500kg inconsistent

[blissful sparrow]

Instant power vs Sustained power
Orbital gatling is actually capable of destroying many things that eagle airstrike cannot in one go, cause it accumulates damage.
ie Gatling can destroy Squid Ships in one barage while Eagle Air strike can only do it if the shield is first broken.
On bugs Air strike can close bug holes very efficently, but gatling can lock down a Bug breach very well, etc

[ivory swallow]

i see

so they work well together in that regard?

[glacial light]

Gatling is very low CD and great at clearing enemy reinforcements

[blissful sparrow]

amusingly Airstrike and Gatling is actually my default loadout i fall back on when unsure what i need 😄
into squids i tend to go with 500kg cause it can destroy ships, but into both bugs and bots Gatling and Airstrike is very nice comfort baseline

[glacial light]

Throw it on a bug breach and it basically kills anything that isnt a charger or titan

Airstrike/Strafe and gatling/gas are my togo

If you remember to use gatling/gas pretty much when it goes on CD and just throw it on anything group of enemy remotely threatening it does a lot for the team.

I like to think of it as a preventative measure. Could we have dealt with that group without it? Yes but we could risk someone getting ragdolled and one shot, team has to use ammo, someone might get hit and use a stim, or any number of nonrenewable resource. Also just deleting something on the way means you can shave time your team would have spent fighting

Also helps tackle "sticky" groups before they reach a dangerous mass

[blissful sparrow]

how often i just toss a gatling onto a random group of enemies that noticed me cause i'm more than 100m from the objective i am going to away

[keen zinc]

gatling barrage goated

saturation and suppression

heavy armor pen too if anything big stays in too long

[ivory swallow]

do we usually get balance patches with warbond releases?

[glacial light]

60s CD with all upgrades is just godly for what it does

[blissful sparrow]

implying that worlds without Call in or Cooldown reductions exist

[glacial light]

Gas strike I also like for similar reasons but it has an extra bonus of making heavies that it cant kill stupid. Hulk time was a lot easier when a bunch of hulks just were high on gas

[glacial light]

You see they dont for me as I just dont play them

EZ

[hazy oriole]

While I do get it's technically not the same entrenchment tool on the maps I am a bit miffed I have to pay to use something technically in the game for free

I hope the backpack flamer's good, but I have doubts given what I saw so far

Tbh I wish there was more stuff you could do with the entrenchment tool, like a proper side objective or digging up hidden supply caches of stims and ammo

[rotund marten]

looks like the commandant armour is light, explosive resist, gas resist, reduced pistol recoil

[keen zinc]

a side objective locked behind an unlock would be so ass

[rotund marten]

I may have a new favourite because all of those are great

[hazy oriole]

I mean yhe entrenchment tool already in the game

[keen zinc]

its a shovel

[hazy oriole]

Like have it lying next to the objective like it usually is on maps

[strange vine]

they can put the shovel thats already in the game nearby, like they do with a fuckload of pois

[keen zinc]

idk i just dont see trying to shoehorn in the funny digging gimmick into an actual objective

since everything in this game is based on time

[hazy oriole]

Fair enough

I would like mpre side objectives that aren't just button pushing or hellbombing

[keen zinc]

and i had enough time-burning with endlessly using entrenchment tools to fill sandbags in the army

[hazy oriole]

Lol fair

[keen zinc]

i mean

we are doing military/strategic objectives

the sandbag filling is for the SEAf

[blissful sparrow]

i want back the UXO Defusing Mission from HD1 😭

[keen zinc]

it would be wierd to drop in airborne and then start digging unless we're...

ARTIFACT HUNTING

TRINKETS

ARCHEOLOGY

see NOW i think youre a GENIUS

[glacial light]

Can't wait for divecraft

[keen zinc]

send me into the Zone

where all the illuminate bullshit magic happens

have me dig up random baubles

[rotund marten]

I am interested to see if the secondary shovel actually digs fast enough to be vaguely useful for cover

[glacial light]

Now I wish they went the STALKER route with illuminate. They had illusions and weird mind stuff in Hd1, imagine if they still did but they're so fucked up collectively after what happened the mind tricks are eldritch

[rotund marten]

I severely doubt it but it's cool

[glacial light]

Imagine if there was an eagle that just sends down explosives and explodes out a trench

[dusty spruce]

Yes
Really enjoyed that mission. I think they cut it with reinforces no longer being infinite. Didn’t mix as well with an objective that has a strong chance of killing if you biff it

But watching my squad mates put in a wrong input before going up was great

[blissful sparrow]

especially while cyborgs shot rockets above your head

[hazy oriole]

Was wondering why the first person model of the cremator looked familiar and then I realized it reminded me of the Dieselgewehr from Wolfenstein The New Colossus

Would be fun if it had a secondary fire mode that let it lob firebomber hulk grenades

[keen zinc]

you cant hear it but i am reporting "cars fucked" at the start

and he asks "how fucked"

this planet is predisposed for cartoon comedy

[delicate aspen]

and this is how they delivered my next car moments alter

[graceful bluff]

Vehicles are forever a liability :v

[knotty folio]

Pelican pilot's drunk

[delicate aspen]

[graceful bluff]

https://bsky.app/profile/nateming.bsky.social/post/3mdgsrqqkek2b

Nate Ming (@nateming.bsky.social)

pov: you're a Resident Evil boss

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I just want stupid secondary attachments, AH

[dark plover]

Jesus Christ is in Super Heaven now

[glacial light]

What I would give for secondary attachments

[delicate aspen]

@keen zinc

[dusty spruce]

Would love an even stronger Senator. The comedy revolver. Have to be at least crouched or it folds you over backwards

[glacial light]

Variable but pistol

[keen zinc]

i dont fink we're gonna make it boss

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MGQg3b7Mikw

[keen zinc]

good luck ever gettng that to line up in a hectic situation tho

[ivory swallow]

I want a support weapon shotgun that’s heavy pen

Basically a close range AMR

that plus the stoker would kick ass

[ivory swallow]

Stoker, GP, thermites, this, ammo pack

[keen zinc]

MEGA FLECHETTES

[ivory swallow]

Beeg slug

[keen zinc]

mega slugger

Dang not even a partial recognition of completing Herthon Secundus

I feel like the FRV side mission didn't really contribute to the MO, "strategic opportunity" makes me think that corporation may be Illuminate influenced

[graceful bluff]

China lake with slugs

Still one of my favourite modded fallout guns

casually punting someone with a 40mm slug

[keen zinc]

uh yall

the Illuminate have a Cult

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1rqxwn4/cultists/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1rqxc18/please_share_your_feedback_about_helldivers_2_in/

<@&1206091872716595200> SURVEY TIME

YOU ARE FEDERALLY MANDATED TO PARTICIPATE IN MANAGED DEMOCRACY

[graceful bluff]

The orb requires your input

[keen zinc]

Constructive input inputted.

[heady halo]

2 bore double barreled shotgun as a support
can be loaded with slug that has each barrel hit like an amr, buckshot that has each barrel hit like a double freedom double barrel shot, birdshot thats like 4 rounds of breaker sprayandpray per barrel or rocket assisted discarding sabot thats three rounds of JAR dominator per barrel

downside is ammo is split between individual ammo for each, so you might have to use non ideal ammo for the situation

[keen zinc]

this is just the double freedom

this is the punisher vs slugger

the double slugger

i am surprised we havent gotten any other slug shotguns since the Slugger

[heady halo]

double freedom but even bigger

[keen zinc]

guaranteed arm break

[heady halo]

and variable ammo types

hell i STILL want a gun you can load whatever grenade you are carrying into as an alternate ammo type

even if its like, a tactical hand sling as a secondary weapon. infinite ammo, but you have to stop, crouch and pick up rocks of the ground to refill your ammo bag

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1rqyr4w/megafactory_spotted_on_choepessa_iv/

theyre doing it

[delicate aspen]

looks like bots are back on the menu after a long (a week) break

@keen zinc we're finally free of the cheeto dust planet and all the whimsy it threw at us

[keen zinc]

ah yes we must now fight cyborgs while a LITERAL DOOMSDAY CULT plays with shit inside the homefront

this is gonna go so well

[delicate aspen]

what could possibly go wrong

[steep hound]

staring forlornly at my much larger backlog of disused bug builds compared to bot builds

once again

[keen zinc]

https://discord.gg/BAy9ymba <@&1206091872716595200>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2GhFXjQujI

I'd have made the @ message the first lyric of this song but it would get me darrested

[delicate aspen]

ill join you in 5, gotta run to store

[graceful bluff]

They pay me in woimholes

[keen zinc]

this you?

[keen zinc]

THE CYBORGS ARE ATTACKING SUPER FINLAND

[delicate aspen]

[steep hound]

is that legal

[strange vine]

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/11344

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1rr58ss/oc_fuck_you_carbines_your_arsenal/

@quick plinth

[steady flame]

Feel like we’re stuck in a time loop because every time we boot HD2 up we’re in orbit around cyberstan

[delicate aspen]

@graceful bluff @keen zinc

[steady flame]

Game crashed
Join back
Still on Cyberstan

Think we accidentally put our character in purgatory

[keen zinc]

Slugger still goated as hell despite all the balance changes over time

messes up cyborgs like crazy

slugger heart removal service

[steady flame]

May have to try it

We’ve mostly been running amendment or diligence since they can one tap things pretty good

And with the amendment we can bayonet charge people :D

3263-5881

[keen zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849351960851251220/1476029920252662045/whining-isnt-a-constructive-approach-so-i-want-to-be-v0-2b82bjthljlg1.gif

[stark ether]

[keen zinc]

https://discord.gg/gn9UrNsm <@&1206091872716595200>

low diff dives for my buddy who just got the game a bit ago

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVf7Uo1Q3bQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx3g6SU_Rms

these are why i say the things i do when cyborgs are attacking

everybody on cyberstan knows kung fu

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> combat never ends

[rotund marten]

can dive momentarily but I need to restart this PC first

[keen zinc]

cool cool

[delicate aspen]

ill be around in a few for dives

[keen zinc]

had to close and restart discord to get it to stop saying i was "playing" HD2Arsenal

[keen zinc]

I love democracy

[glacial light]

You see that's old democracy, evil thing. Super Earth does the civilized Managed Democracy

[tame parcel]

Are the terminids even intelligent enough to do that?

[verbal summit]

Yea

They can raise their claws they can vote

[shrewd tiger]

Anybody down for a dive?

https://discord.gg/uHDR6N29

[delicate aspen]

<@&1206091872716595200> democracy calls

[graceful bluff]

what

[delicate aspen]

"Diver of the lake, what is your wisdom"

[delicate aspen]

anyone feelin up for diving?

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4VnOAAjKI4

[rotund marten]

even super earth command is ignoring the squids now in hope that they'll develop some actually interesting units if we leave them long enough

[hexed steeple]

"nothing ever happens" - command, apparently

[blissful sparrow]

can we ship a few scientists to the illuminate to kickstart them?

[unreal merlin]

Nothing ever happens, and when something does happen it was entirely unforeseeable.

[cobalt patrol]

Or was entirely forseen.

[glacial light]

I think we should make another black hole

If it worked to bring in new squids the first time it could work again

[stark ether]

genuinely surprised we didnt do that to cyberstan

[glacial light]

You know what fair point

That would mean a black hole on every faction's space

If I had to do a lore bandaid headcanon dark matter so dense and heavy we couldn't get transport enough to do dark matter hole strat as we did not have as strong of a space superiority we did last 2 times

[graceful bluff]

Too valuable of a planet I'm guessing

[burnt vapor]

or we had insufficient e 711 reserves as we did fire the star of peace right before the cyberstan campaign

[graceful bluff]

Also I genuinely don't think super earth would want to blow it up, they want the trophy

That's how petty they are

[glacial light]

Real

Helldivers have to be one that conquers the bots for PR

Just blasting a planet out of the sky is not as cinematic

My headcanon is that Helldivers are so flashy and given so much firepower is cause it makes great footage for SEAF/Helldiver recruitment/idol worship propaganda and they're constantly recording from the super destroyer PoV.

And helldiver's operations is just parted of the PR budget

[spare verge]

that's my assumption for why extract works the way it does as well

pelican 1 can plainly get there very fast to deliver vehicles, but that doesn't make for good footage

or why they bother with things like sending down a helldiver for 5 seconds just to get on the shuttle

callously, it'd be cheaper to just write off the currently deployed helldivers and revoke the reinforcement budget the second the mission's completed

but the helldivers and SEAF are more motivated if they get footage of "helldiver team returns" regularly

just pay no attention to whether it's the same team that dropped

they're in the same armor, right?

[graceful bluff]

Also that the extract usually takes less time than the average lifespan of a helldiver :v

[glacial light]

Also that very much tracks

[delicate aspen]

Managed democracy calls, <@&1206091872716595200> https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1482194385624891553

[keen zinc]

at 9PM

how about it call back in the morning

[delicate aspen]

we both know democracy dont sleep

[keen zinc]

my anti vox strats are getting pretty refined and effective

leveller OR eagle strafe + quasar

[split parcel]

What are the weak spots for Vox again?

[blissful sparrow]

Bottom and Back, the glowing vents
i actually feel like vox engines got nerfed cause it seems like you can kill them with a recoilless to a vent

[cobalt patrol]

The vents have a massive damage multiplier, so if they've taken any other damage, a recoilless shot does big numby

The other trick with them is to aim things like the leveler for roughly the middle of the body, where the treads connect with the upper body

Causes it to take immense aoe damage

[odd arch]

close enough, welcome back deep rock weakpoint mechanics

(destructible weakpoints carry over all damage from a single hit meaning you can surgically KO a big enemy, unless someone destroys the weakpoints first with DPS, and now you gotta deal with the rest of their main health)

[keen zinc]

yeah basically you hit them with One Big Boom of any kind

and then any AT hit to a reasonable spot will knock them out

ive been doing VERY well with leveller or eagle to get them within quasar tap

[blissful sparrow]

i also had good success with OPS against them
the rate of fire is just a bit low

[tall stone]

How's Orbital Gatling at softening up compared to Strafe?

[keen zinc]

they move around a lot

and orbitals are always needing to reposition

https://discord.gg/yVFg92tX <@&1206091872716595200> all patriots, the call to duty is sounded

the big cheeseball needs freedom

[strange vine]

they do not, the have 100% damage transfer to main, so any AP6 weapon hitting the torso and undercarriage (which also have 100% damage transfer to main) doesnt see any difference

i think one thing id really want changed on the vox engines is heavily cutting the health of the turrets

they have 8000 HP, which means RR for example needs 3 shots to destroy, which is better off spent shooting at the head which has the same breakpoint and is fatal

[keen zinc]

the head is bugged, aint it?

sometimes it just doesnt kill when it should

so you can put more than lethal amounts of RR shots into it to no effect

[keen zinc]

best to just plug them in the waist/abdomen/groin zone with your AT

[graceful bluff]

The head just ignores getting hit sometimes yeaj

Much like everything else, they fold if you hit em in the kidneys enough though :v

[graceful bluff]

orbit achieved

[tame parcel]

Yeah.

[delicate aspen]

cyberstan 2.0 is going well, shame its the worst planet for it cause that fog is actually insanely dense, think we'll manage to get this mo pretty handidly

[trim breach]

So, Vox are super broken on Commando missions

If they aggro on one player, they then aggro on everybody regardless of distance, armor, or line of sight.

So Stealth armor is completely useless

It'll cause a chain where they'll aggro on one person, kill them, then immediately beeline and aggro on somebody else, and so on and so forth

Like they'll literally start firing missiles out of line of sight on somebody who's respawning before they even get out of the pod.

[hazy oriole]

not to mention their gatling guns play pretty nasty when it comes to stealth

btw, is it me or are those things spawning way more frequently than on cyberstan?

not bot drops, just ambient patrol spawns

[delicate aspen]

gotta love ragdolls

[oblique lotus]

that was a thing on cyberstan

[hazy oriole]

It was, but it feels more frequent lately

[keen zinc]

Who up diving they hell

[delicate aspen]

i was doing a bunch of 10's earlier on piss planet

[delicate aspen]

lookin to scrap a few borgs?

[keen zinc]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tanks-strv

I'll be there in a few

[keen zinc]

i hate geonosis

[keen zinc]

They just added a modifier to Charbal to make Vox Engines considerably scarcer

and it is noticeable

only 1 or 2 per mission on D10

[cobalt patrol]

That seems overkill. Like... The problem is more when they keep coming

Not when there's one in a drop

[keen zinc]

hey, it means they do listen!

[blissful sparrow]

i will defend dragonroaches there:
they are much more manageable and being independent of patrols/breaches means you can act much more targeted vs them
Its still scary if you lose track of them and they suddenly interfer with a bug breach, but thats way more interesting than 7 vox engines that you can't kill fast enough.

[keen zinc]

no need to be a downer, its nice to be able to play D10s without needing to build so hard into anti-Vox

I am glad that the game masters can adjust such things on the fly

[delicate aspen]

im not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth with less vox's on 10's when they're like a hydra

[cobalt patrol]

Voxes need better ability to either disable their killyneess easier, or just have some actualv one shot skill shots available for the dedicated at weaponry, the way factory striders do

[delicate aspen]

if we could shoot off the weapons easier thatd be not as bad

like the factory strider

[keen zinc]

there are many solutions for them to be adjusted with a patch, but this is a good temp solution

just making them rare for the time being

so we can enjoy Cyborgs without having our builds needing to be 3/4ths bunker-busters

[graceful bluff]

Honestly if they were just as common as the factory striders they replace it'd be fine

[keen zinc]

true, but with the saturation we've been experiencing, a bit of scarcity is a welcome change of pace

and they DO still show up and demand dealing with

[graceful bluff]

Yeah, I just find it an interesting choice that they have this super unit version of a regular unit that replaces it, and then make it more common than it :v

[strange vine]

Just like reducing the HP of their turrets would do a lot, theyre 8000 HP rn so it takes 3 RR or 4 EAT/QC rounds to break them, which you could spend on actually killing the vox engine instead

[split parcel]

I've seen that the Vox gatling turrets can die to medium pen, anyone had good luck with a primary that can handle those well? Tried JAR on a whim but that didn't really feel worth it. Also tried EMS strike on it but it seems like it's immune 😭

[strange vine]

Theyre the same as factory strider chin turrets

[split parcel]

The wiki recommends Railgun and Autocannon for it as support weapons, but I do see the Vox has a 1.5x fire multiplier...Coyote time?

[strange vine]

Youre not chewing through 11,000 HP with fire dot even with the multiplier

[oblique lotus]

idk I think vox engines are way more killable than leviathans or dragonroaches

one solo silo or leveller either oneshots or leaves them on one rocket worth of HP

[keen zinc]

they are

theyre way better than both of the previous problem units

[oblique lotus]

Really any medium pen primary will do decently, eruptor also does a decent job because its heavy pen on hit, you can senator them to death if you're desperate

vox engines also don't fly so things like hellpacks or strikes can actually hit them

[split parcel]

I meant in the context of the little gatling turrets on them

[graceful bluff]

Eh dragon roaches aren't too bad, it's just that you need different equipment than you usually bring for anti tank vs everything

the hmg turret tears both grounded and airbourne roaches apart, same with the rest of the bugs

the autocannon turrets projectiles fast enough to track it too

[glacial light]

Emancipator is like 6 minutes of dead roaches

If you spot it early span fire into one wing while it flies tends to down it before it takes off again.

Also you feel like an old AA gun

[graceful bluff]

I don't think a lot of people tried the hmg turret after it got buffed cause it's so good

yet I never see it used

[glacial light]

I usually go for gatling for low CD

[graceful bluff]

no I mean the manned one

[glacial light]

Oh

Encampment on bugs seems like a bold move unless you got good teammates that'd keep them off you or something to defend yourself while using it

[graceful bluff]

it traverses fast enough to be able to deal with most things yourself

coupling it with a guard dog makes you into a monster though

[spare verge]

for me it's that I usually play as a duo with a friend so it needs to be a mission type/enemy composition that's going to see regular use of a fixed emplacement or else it's competing with better uses of the slot

[graceful bluff]

enemies also don't actively go for manned turrets anymore when unmanned, so just dropping one that might be useful later is great

[glacial light]

I do use HMG encampments for illuminate if it's a defense or overseer ship mission type

Murders everything illuminate

[graceful bluff]

But yeah you'd be surprised how fast it tears apart chargers nowadays

[blissful sparrow]

my groups goto anti roach is HMG
great utility against all ground types as well
But the when the call for a dragon gets made, 2 or 3 HMGs unload into it and it just falls in seconds

[keen zinc]

HMG is supreme anti air

nothing does air clear like it

[split parcel]

I use HMG emplacement every Illuminate mission I go on as long as there's no Leviathans

Does awesome work. Melts everything they've got on offer

[graceful bluff]

I use the hmg emplacement basically as an expendable hmg

allowing me other heavy weapons

[glacial light]

I don't even bring support to illuminate, I just pick up an MG off the street

[delicate aspen]

factory is taken, now the slog to grind the last 25% and hopefully last few millions of agitators

[dusty spruce]

If it gets liberated, that should also close the agitator gap.

[delicate aspen]

finally got to witness someone catapult a hellbomb in the wild

[delicate aspen]

its gonna be close to take the planet but we 100% not getting the agitator kills in time, was a good effort though, my head canon is they got radicals and agitators mixed up for amounts

[steep hound]

werent the kill counts meant to go down after getting the megafactory

[delicate aspen]

you would've thought but i guess not

[steep hound]

have you checked in-game rather than on companion

it might just not have updated properly there

[delicate aspen]

this is ingame

[steep hound]

oh

...I'm dumb?

dunno why I got that confused

[delicate aspen]

to be fair, the vox reduction modifier on charbal isnt listed anywhere either

[steep hound]

maybe there's just a delay, yesterday was Sunday and as I understand it AH is usually skeleton-staff on weekends

[delicate aspen]

actually, come to think of it, ive not seen a single vox all day on 10's

[steep hound]

it's like 10:30 AM in Sweden the AH working day probably didnt start too long ago

so that might get updated in a little bit

[delicate aspen]

heres to hoping

[keen zinc]

War

[delicate aspen]

vox's might be back in force

[keen zinc]

lovely

[keen zinc]

https://discord.gg/H7wtDFra <@&1206091872716595200> 5% in 5 hours we can do it

[steep hound]

Pain

[dusty spruce]

Ooph, that feels especially painful

[steady flame]

-# ah yes we love not getting any medals from the last few MOs in a row because AH just pulls numbers out of their ass

[keen zinc]

Yeah

Give us really hard MOs where we get 3/4 done and get 99% of the way done with the 4th

Could at least give us partial reward

[delicate aspen]

They're gonna turn people off doing the mo, did we at least take piss planet?

[keen zinc]

We took both planets

We just came up short of the Agitators by like, a few mil

Gotta be frustrating for new players to lose out on two major orders in a row because of this same thing

On a positive note

Get your powder ready

[spare verge]

this is how magicka can still win

[delicate aspen]

I should play a few more rounds to cap out on medals, but maaaaan lol

[split parcel]

Dang

I've been unlocking stuff from Redacted Regiment which has been fun, eager to try out the guns on page 1

[keen zinc]

I'm taking a break so I can hit tomorrow hard

Eating my powder

Being ready for trench warfare

[delicate aspen]

i might even go back to cheeto planet just to relax against squids

[delicate aspen]

i feel that honestly

[rotund marten]

No fucking medals ever

I'm back home tomorrow so I can get right into tronch that evening

[delicate aspen]

what is it with pelican and dropping my frv's from orbit

[agile fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_uyAaJ3Z0

squid

squid tomorrow

[delicate aspen]

"nothing could possibly go wrong"

oh, 10gb update for helldivers

[agile fable]

I LOVE SQU'ITH

[strange vine]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/541133047968301984?l=english

Praise be the regular GL buff has been reverted

[delicate aspen]

cant see why it needed reverting but thats me

[agile fable]

"the mindless masses" MY SOUL WON'T BE FETCHED

[stone bridge]

we've discussed it a bunch here, it basically made the thing a better autocannon

[delicate aspen]

flame changes seem real neat though

[agile fable]

THE FLAG IS A TARGET! hahahahaha

[idle hollow]

They… they buffed the flag…?

[delicate aspen]

THANK FUCK @keen zinc WE'RE SAVED

[agile fable]

they made it so enemies target whoever's waving it!

[idle hollow]

the end times are upon us

[agile fable]

anyways what the shit

[idle hollow]

this is clearly a herald of the apocalypse

[delicate aspen]

also rip the 4x whatever strategem meme

[glacial light]

I never thought I'd see the day

[delicate aspen]

feel like they forgot to add another note or forgot to remove it lmao

[glacial light]

Big news

Also enemies can't walk through the vox tracks nor attack through it

[delicate aspen]

thank fuck

[strange vine]

It was absolutely destroying stratagem balance. What was once an already great crowd clear weapon was now a do everything one, and especially outshone the BFGL because of it

[burnt vapor]

If I’m not mistaken BFGL should still have heavy pen since they explicitly only reverted it on the normal GL

[delicate aspen]

new MO's up

sub faction possibly?

[burnt vapor]

Technical spoilers that were announced in the patch notes ||They name and describe 2 new subfactions for them “fleets”
Voteless horde fleet and pure illuminate fleet with new units||

[blissful sparrow]

yeah it mentions 2 sub factions
the appropriators as Illuminate only comp, no voteless
and also a horde mode thats as many voteless as possible

[delicate aspen]

warbond isnt up yet sadly, at least not when i looked or if im just fully blind

[blissful sparrow]

noted to go live on the 20th

[karmic prawn]

What on earth is the appropriators going to be like I wonder

Overseer squads?

[blissful sparrow]

Overseers and the new enemies yeah

[karmic prawn]

Or maybe they're going to have a small construct?

Yeah just the video only seems to show the big boy

[blissful sparrow]

which, tbh, sounds kinda terrible, adding 2 new enemies only to take out 2 of the exisiting ones for a subfaction 😄

[karmic prawn]

Patrols of 10 watchers

[burnt vapor]

Might be that the new ones are still in the general pool just the fleet has more and maybe the angry watcher

[karmic prawn]

Yeah maybe they're stealth dropping some too

They've done it with a lot of enemies

A new variant of the Watcher: OBTRUDER: inserts itself where it is not wanted.

Curious about this guy too

[delicate aspen]

wait, i thought warbond was 17th?

[burnt vapor]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the voteless get something for their fleet

[stone bridge]

it still is

should be dropping in like 2 hours

[delicate aspen]

ahhh okay

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah when they launch patches at this time it drops a bit later

[blissful sparrow]

ah i see, i misread
it says the new content will go active on the 20th
but the warbond isn't under that header

[cobalt patrol]

Faster reload
Full reload around 1 second faster from around 5.5 sec to 4.5 sec
Half reload around 0.5 sec faster from around 2.3 sec → 1.8 sec

For the autocannon

I'm eating good

[keen zinc]

Reeducator faster reload too

And jump pack melee

hammer bros we are back

We can now be assault marines

[cobalt patrol]

https://youtu.be/H9hQLRj3Pas

You can see the new units in here if you want. Just 3 of them, apparently? Patch notes seemed to imply more

Oh I see, just reading comprehension fail on my part

[keen zinc]

3 new units but the subfaction changes unit ratios in big ways i think

[dusty spruce]

A subfaction with more mechanized/overseers over unending waves of voteless would be nice

[cobalt patrol]

That's explicitly what I've of the factions is

Illuminate units only with mechanized support, no vote less/flesh mobs

[delicate aspen]

they broke somethin

[weary granite]

Nah is a new skin

[keen zinc]

3RD STREET SAINTS

https://klipy.com/gifs/eric-andre-what-if-it-was-purple

[karmic prawn]

Oh if you were on the slim branch, you might need to switch back to default to get the patch

[stone bridge]

yup

[dusty spruce]

Hell yeah. Good for the illuminate. Also, feels like the first subfaction that seems like it would meaningfully alter what equipment I should take?

Burrowers were different, but explosives were already pretty meta against bugs.

[keen zinc]

no stripper clip for the constitution...

we'll get em next time

WW2 warbond for sure

[stone bridge]

oop warbond bugged, only need 1 medal to unlock all pages rn

[cobalt patrol]

...

I mean

[delicate aspen]

warbond is live, restart your games

flamer has heavy pen

[stone bridge]

as do all the other flamers, yeah

[delicate aspen]

super store armour looks sick

[glacial light]

Round reload 12 mag med pen weapon with 6 round stripper clip? Wild

[stone bridge]

i lied, it seems like you can't reload it without using a stripper clip

autocannon style

[keen zinc]

one true flag is disabled

[stone bridge]

[keen zinc]

TRENCH SHOTGUN FUN

I LOV IT

its everything i wanted

[graceful bluff]

medium pen shotgun with a bayonet

so good

anyone tried the shovel yet to see if it has pre nerf digging power

[keen zinc]

it slaps

slamfire fucking eats fleshmobs

and it is effectively a semi auto punisher otherwise

rounds reload to keep it topped off

doesnt top off as fast as a punisher but still quick

[graceful bluff]

I find it really funny that as soon as they make the one true flag actually do something

that thing is that it makes the game crash

[keen zinc]

also the giga grenade is a 2000 damage AT impact grenade

i am fucking over the moon

i love it so much

and it isnt even hard to throw

its got a decent distance

this warbond make me happy

[graceful bluff]

is it impact like it seemed

[dusty spruce]

Oh fuck it can slam fire? Shit I’ll need to dish out the sc for it

[ionic holly]

hm
admittedly wondering what the difference is between the m90 and trench gun currently

I know damage pen and slam firing is the big ones but i guess im just a hair worried

[keen zinc]

yes

[keen zinc]

its EXACTLY what i wanted

its 6+1, fires flechettes

has a big ass bayonet

hits hard and fires fast

[ionic holly]

Oh it fires flechettes? concern rescinded

[keen zinc]

medium pen babyyyy

it ripppps

i love iiittt

[ionic holly]

Im glad its good for folk who want it, im still an m90 boy myself

[keen zinc]

also 70 ammo pool

[ionic holly]

also im
very excited with the new heavy's perks

180 armour+50% EXDR is

fucking nutty

[keen zinc]

nobody will notice this but me but this patch also improved the positioning of the laser-light attachment on the peacemaker and it makes my brain happy

thanks AH i love you

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOiPSlqV_p8

[keen zinc]

it used to jut forward slightly off the rail and now its flush

[rare nymph]

Once they fix the One True Flag I need to make a full Power of Democracy tank build for the laughs

[graceful bluff]

I wonder if it counts even when planted

[ionic holly]

dude between the armour and me bringing the 1k rounds maxigun you dont know how true this'll be

which yes hi hello im so glad the maxigun got the only buff i wanted

[keen zinc]

the new heavy armor + bfgl will basically let you use it in melee

[dusty spruce]

Oh fuck yeah

[rare nymph]

Also, bfgl seemingly gets to keep the heavy pen?

[keen zinc]

the stoker is interesting

basically a defender gives up 4 magazines for an underbarrel crisper

[ionic holly]

Yep yep

i think its a good call, it has lower damage/radius

[keen zinc]

yes

heavy bolter reigns

[rare nymph]

Big

[dusty spruce]

Seems a worthwhile trade with the new flame buffs. Really needed that slow/panic effect.

[rare nymph]

Large, even

[ionic holly]

Massive, possibly

[keen zinc]

testing giga grenade and it seems very good

you get 2

so +2 throwable armors very potent

[dusty spruce]

Is it one or two per resupply?

[keen zinc]

landing one on a harvesters feet kills

[keen zinc]

one unfortunately

2 from a grenade box

very potent though

if it kills a harvester with a foot hit, probs kills a war strider just landing under it

also leaves massive craters

[rare nymph]

Well you actually get multiple grenades from a resupply, you just need to tape them all together to make a giga grenade

[keen zinc]

very happy with its performance

[graceful bluff]

Yeah grenade boxes just always give two

[keen zinc]

correction: takes 2 giga grenades to kill a harvester

maybe 1 if you hit the right spot

[dusty spruce]

AH put out a content roadmap

[keen zinc]

theyre talking to us now

[graceful bluff]

"They talk now"

[delicate aspen]

pummeller broke ig

[graceful bluff]

how

People would need to actually use it to find anything wrong with it

[ionic holly]

actually ive noted the pummeler to be weirdly popular

mostly due to the being a pretty versatile stun option

[strange vine]

Updated my icon mod!
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/9356

[lethal delta]

Is this only on the heavy?

[hazy oriole]

What are the stats for the superstore shotgun

[steady flame]

504 damage, medium AP, 7rnd rounds reload.

[dusty spruce]

oh fuck yeah, the stoker is still one-handed. Saw some speculation that it may be another two-hander

seeing it in game, I really fuck with the metal/unpainted finish on the armors

[keen zinc]

the trench gun is everything i wanted

[south temple]

how's the backpack flamethrower?

[keen zinc]

aint unlocked it yet

but being able to swing hammer while using jump pack is fun

[dusty spruce]

almost hate to ruin this :P

[heady halo]

yo the shotgun is medium pen flechettes?

[keen zinc]

yes

its so good

[heady halo]

god damn it that rules

i wonder if the bayonet gives it improved melee damage or just like, melee range

[keen zinc]

both

[heady halo]

god thats cool..... new perfect combo with the hammer and a jetpack

[keen zinc]

unfortunately its bugged and not getting XP or its customization options currently

but it does have them apparently

[dusty spruce]

I really love the design of the new illuminate mechs.
Keep making me think of the Umbaran starfighters from The Clone Wars

[strange vine]

hehehe

[hallow gorge]

Does anyone know if the cockpit on the new illuminate mechs is a weakspot? I've already seen crybabies talk about how its not going to be a weakpoint

[odd arch]

I'm on the side of crybabies when it comes to ribbing AH for recent enemy design

[keen zinc]

we dont know, they aint out yet

[odd arch]

I want a deadly game with inconvenient guns, so I'm in direct opposition to most critics

but lmao man the weakspot situation

[keen zinc]

OKAY the Sweeper DOES have customization

if it doesnt for you just restart your game

aaaaaa i LOVE THIS

the spread dispersion on the full choke looks so GOOD

and it has my favorite optic

the 1.5x red dot

ARROWHEAD MADE THIS GUN FOR ME

JUST FOR ME

THEIR SPECIAL BOY

[hallow gorge]

the only enemy with the weakspot problem has been the warstrider and yeah that was stupid

[keen zinc]

remember folks: keep it positive

[odd arch]

dragonroaches had invulnerable wings for entirely too long

flesh mob headshots took even longer to implement

and most late arrival enemies in general have much simpler "W+M1" behaviour than launch precedent

no notes on cyberstan gang they're cool

[keen zinc]

idk the impaler is a very technical enemy

oh my god

laser cannon is now king of flyswatters

[normal juniper]

it makes sense if it's a souped up laser tbh

[odd arch]

it was my all time favourite support weapon with 200m already

now I am unleashed

[normal juniper]

i didn't have any issues w it before tbh, this just makes it funnier

[dark plover]

Me blinding my Super Destroyer pilot with the Laser Cannon

[ionic holly]

Yeah i think the trench isnt for me, ah well

stoker fucks a lot though i really like it

[tall stone]

LASER CANNON!!!!

[keen zinc]

The trench gun was made for me

Giga grenade was also made for me

I hope they eventually buff supplemental adrenaline like they did unflinching and reinforced epaulettes, cuz then I'll be truly gunstoppable

[keen zinc]

Seriously, being able to swat gunships out of the sky at hundreds of meters away is gonna make the laser cannon such a strong pick for D10 bots

Cuz having 2-3 gunship fabs is some of the most difficult shit ever in cities and mega factories

[odd arch]

especially cuz it was already great at that

if nobody got me my lascannon got me

my biggest fear? being without my lascannon

[ionic holly]

im just happy my precious baby boy (Maxigun) got 1k rounds

my autism is pleased

[keen zinc]

The heavy bolter got another 20 rounds, I still feel like it could get more but it's a nice boost

[split parcel]

Sounds like a great patch, excited to try it out

[royal lantern]

Yeah ironically I feel like the buffs to the autocannon at the same time took a little wind out of its sails too. They're meant to directly compete, as I understand it, but it's not as close a race as it ought to be

[keen zinc]

Nah I think they still have different uses

The heavy bolter lays on bursts of fire into general stuff, autocannon puts repeated single shots on high value targets

Just cuz the BFGL can punch up to what the autocannon does is more of a tactical flexibility than its intended role

So it's still just a positive

[heady halo]

heavy bolter is also anti heavy infantry, autocannon usually anti light vehicles-oh wait i missed what chat this was thought we were talkin 40k lmao

[hallow gorge]

When you say heavybolter you mean the domniator?

[keen zinc]

No, the BFGL

I call it the heavy bolter because that's what it is

[odd arch]

yeah they're both inconvenient in each other's role despite being able to do it

[heady halo]

the big fucking grenade launcher

[hallow gorge]

oh the belt fed grenade launcher

[keen zinc]

They can do what each does best but only as a flex position

[hallow gorge]

yeah the belt fed is basically the same use case as the maxigun

which is the same use case as the heavy flamer

...

[keen zinc]

No not really

[odd arch]

autocannon for horde clear feels glorious but then you look at your ammo and reload time expenditure and get regret

[hallow gorge]

I hope they give a belt fed laser gun where if you overheat it the backpack explodes

[heady halo]

not really but i could see enough reason to give them more divergent uses

[keen zinc]

Everything has its place

Except the sterilizer

[odd arch]

the sterilizer just needs a lil sumthin

[keen zinc]

The awful awful Sterilizer

It needs to shoot Gunk

[odd arch]

its biggest fault is that all other sources of gas are great

[heady halo]

yeah it needs something. splatoon would be cool

[keen zinc]

Gunk and Slime that emits Fumes

Make it a gunk sprayer

Like the toxic waste gun from DRG

[heady halo]

imo sterilizer should get a different colour gas and do wayyyy less damage to allies
if that is too much or if gunk/slime doesnt work easily for the engine, just make it way more "sticky" and have its effect last ages when you hit an enemy

[keen zinc]

Any excuse to say "pungeant slime" like the dude from The Lighthouse

[odd arch]

I would be using the sterilizer still if not for the fact gas dog, nades, strike and mines

[hallow gorge]

Half of those are from the the same warbond too

[keen zinc]

All other gas delivery methods are much more effective and convenient

And more practically apply gas' most useful effect of breaking an enemies aggro on you

Especially the mines

It's why they're the best mines

[odd arch]

them being mines is like a side gig

I drop them like a barrage

woe, several minutes of gas coverage of your map square be upon ye

[keen zinc]

Had someone do that with incin mines before

Ended up with like 10 accidentals by the end of the mission

[odd arch]

my idea for the sterilizer is to make it stun with a continuous stream and (as is often suggested) apply acid

so you can still do a quick sweep for AoE gas but it can also be a Get His Ass teamwork gun

[steep hound]

am I gonna have to restructure all my Illuminate builds to accomodate having to kill Exomechs now...

or am I gonna have to have a fourth set of builds for the subfaction

awww the GL is Medium pen again...

that was a fun one operation I did with it

oh God the Flag is a taunt now?

[heady halo]

exomechs is for a subfaction only rn

you wont see them alongside voteless

its either armoured mechs or swarm hordes

[steep hound]

fuck I have to do a fourth set of builds then

i have too many already

[hazy oriole]

Stimgas sterilizer is reaaaal

/j.

[oblique lotus]

ooh maxigun buffs

[split parcel]

The stimgun getting some buffs is fun

50% muzzle velocity and heals twice as much

I think

[dusty spruce]

The sterilizer gradually morphing back into the tox avenger from HD1.
Where it was just a straight upgrade to the flamethrower. Lower impact damage but slowed and had much greater DoT.

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Helldivers_1:TOX-13_Avenger

[split parcel]

If Sterilizer got a nice buff I'd never stopping Gassing

The Malodorous Smelldiver

[heady halo]

given the recent ww1 bond go all in on evil gas weapons
new gas buff to all gas weapons where sustained gas creates a longer lived "gas cloud" that can drift across the battlefield
and the sterilizer just gets some more ammo and becomes the best at creating clouds

but if multiple gas morters or grenades or airstrikes all go of in the same spot, you get a cloud too

[graceful bluff]

me dropping a gas minefield and then detonating it all at once with a 500kg to become the spore spewer

[glacial light]

Or gas mine into cluster eagle/rockets to set it all off

[rotund marten]

I am back from my conference on bioweapon threats

give me the poison gas mortar I am clearly qualified

[split parcel]

Oh how is the gas mortar? Anyone gotten to try it out?

[rotund marten]

I'm working on the medals for it so I'll be able to tell you soon

need 60 more SC for the trench gun

<@&1206091872716595200> it is time to mow down voteless

[shrewd tiger]

Hail

[knotty folio]

Hmmm, does the flag aggro work while you're in an FRV? What about if you're the passenger? Could be a fun strategy

Also, does the flame confusion work on the flame sentry?

[weary granite]

My Laser Cannon is now the Laser Excalibur.

[unreal merlin]

I haven't been able to try it yet but just like any other gas stratagem I think it'll be competing for best in show. Like orbital gas vs EMS, it actually kills the targets

Unlike the mine situation though, normal mortar is still genuinely good too

[knotty folio]

I hope the gas mortar has gas resistance so I can put it in a gas minefield

[dark plover]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-stop-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-pause-halt-gif-11529084547101400677

GAS DOG ORBITAL GAS STRIKE GAS GRENADE SPEAR GUN GAS MINES GAS MORTAR SENTRY

[spare verge]

laser cannon mains now https://youtu.be/tuhdb5SaiFQ?t=9

[hazy oriole]

I think it'd be nice for consistency if harvester beams had that targeting laser that illuminate laser sentries and leviathans have

[glacial light]

Gas barrage, gas eagle, gas EATs

Firedivers have it good with flamethrower, mini flamethrower, big flamethrower, flame eagle, flame barrage, flame mines, flame EATs

[dark plover]

Expendable gas airburst with a remote trigger would be so peak

[knotty folio]

Honestly I kind of hope they don't add a gas Eagle

It's nice having statuses get distinct textures, fire gets the Eagle Napalm while gas gets the gas mortar, and their orbitals play very differently

Fire gets flame turret as well but it gets that one for free because fire mines don't actually exist

[glacial light]

Fire just has more options and gas is a bit behind

You can do a gas eagle different from napalm eagle, still distinct but has options

[heady halo]

gas melee gas jetpack sticky continous gas grenade

[glacial light]

The fart pack

What if gas ERA armor, every time you get hit hard you gas in that direction

[heady halo]

Gas backpack that just continously spreads gas around you and includes a built in gas mask, so long as u wear the gas pack it does tiny tick damage only

[glacial light]

That would be pretty sick

Id want like a gas canister dropped that constantly spews a growing cloud of gas as long as its not destroyed

[knotty folio]

Or just gas armor that always leaves a short-lived gas trail, so I can use it alongside gas dog

[glacial light]

I feel like that'd be fitting for gas eagle

[heady halo]

Whatd be a cool gas melee weapon

[knotty folio]

Let us melee with the Speargun

[heady halo]

multiple throwing spears like the speargun?

haha

[knotty folio]

Poke them and leave a gas cloud

[glacial light]

Hwacha speargun

[knotty folio]

As an emplacement? Seems fun

[glacial light]

Just place gas in a very very long line

[dark plover]

The spear gun operating like a bayonet for melee then detaching the spear and spawning the cloud would be awesome

[heady halo]

gas roman pilums

[glacial light]

That seems like it should be a thing

[heady halo]

throw n stick n eight the rnemy down while gasin

[knotty folio]

Looking at the Vox Engine with 30 gas spears poking out of its face

[heady halo]

or a gas flail censer like skaven

[glacial light]

Or even like, meleeing with speargun sets it off and gases the enemies and you

[knotty folio]

(And give it its own attack animation with bit of extra range)

[glacial light]

Gas encampment but it functions like a trebuchet throwing a cow carcass

[knotty folio]

Gas grenade that emits gas over a long duration so you can go pick it up and move it around (or just cook it until it goes off then run around with it)

(Yes, I have been playing Project Silverfish lately)

[heady halo]

democratic gas spewer built from the arc tower but it releases pulses of gas

it also has a built in gas mask for four heldivers but its attached to the tower and falls off if you move more than like 3 meters

[knotty folio]

Gas emitter emplacement that just has a really big fan you can aim