Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[odd arch]

it'd be super funny if they make a belt fed attachment but only give it to like

lib conc

[verbal summit]

Lol

I want some sort of laser minigun deal with a backpack that is the heatsink or something n if you overheat it you just have to get a new backpack. Or rather I just want a laser minigun cus of that 1 guy from the mandalorian with the laser minigun looking thing.

[odd arch]

or you can get the double edged scythe, fire armour and my stim gun glued to your cheeks

it's a close approximation

[verbal summit]

That's actually a funny idea

I liked when we did the melee thing where you stim gunned me while I was stabbing bugs with my ballistic shield n lance

[graceful bluff]

Okay they're really out for blood with this one

[cobalt patrol]

new warbond

[graceful bluff]

las turret and arc grenades

Stratagem plasgun sounds interesting too

..that's a fucking bullet storm rifle

[odd arch]

oh hell yeah

new fave sentry and backpack just dropped

[graceful bluff]

bullet storm rifle looks like it has enough pen to pop hulk eyes

[cobalt patrol]

Given it's name, i'm guessing it's mode swithcing

[burnt vapor]

Telefrag backpack is so silly

[lethal delta]

I'm interested in the armor and the heavy tesla

[cobalt patrol]

and the "Fire all barrels" mode gives it ap3/4 at cost of "You go flying backwards"

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516339785321681305

"First up, in the primary weapon category, is the VG-70 Variable, a seven-barrelled volley gun with three different firing modes: Auto, which has three selectable RPM values; Volley, which fires a single shot from each barrel at once; and Total, which fires all remaining ammunition in one go. Researchers noted that using the Total firing mode with a lot of ammunition may result in bodily harm to the user.
"

[burnt vapor]

The turret can explode

[cobalt patrol]

Fire your entire ammo pool in one shot.

[odd arch]

"cost"?

you mean rocket jump?

[cobalt patrol]

"Each armor set looks professionally stylish with the coordinating capes, Conductor of Brilliance and Over Artifice Triumphant, and both armor sets feature a new and exciting passive: Adreno-Defibrillator! After you take lethal damage and the Adreno-Defibrillator detects that the user has collapsed, it activates and revives the user to full health. R&D did indicate that the Adreno-Defibrillator only has enough charge for one use to bring the user to maximum health, and the user will begin losing health continually after activating it.
"

[lethal delta]

I hate that passive ugh

[cobalt patrol]

What? That's amazing

survive death but start dying is rpetty c ool

[burnt vapor]

Yeah that's very nice

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway, after finding the police violence warbond not reallym y thing

(I still havent finished unlocking everything)

this looks a lot more my jam

Ultra Purifier is actually something i've been wanting

I appreicate the warp pack just blows you up evnetually.

Also

man

[unreal merlin]

I like the "fuck you" sized purifier

[cobalt patrol]

Banaza and this next week?

An embarssemnt of gamey richs

[burnt vapor]

This looks like my favorite in recent times for sure. the warp pack will be used and I will laugh madly when I am punished for my hubris.

[cobalt patrol]

Also i ust love that the art for it is showing a pair of smoking feet

[odd arch]

I wonder what firing the volley while jetpacking or hovering will do

non-explosive fast travel unlocked

firing it into spores

[cobalt patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/space-core-portal2-portal-spacecore-gif-8264616

[odd arch]

maybe some dive tech, too...

[verbal summit]

I wonder when the warp pack explodes. If it's just seemingly random or if it's after x used or after approximately x uses or if it has some sort of charge n if it overcharges it goes boom

Either way super interesting.

Also peak passive

[burnt vapor]

From the description the first jump or two after activation should be safe but every one after that is a gamble

[verbal summit]

Aha

Idk if ill be as much of a fan of that but idk maybe I should gamble. Rn I'm too fixated on being a melee unit anyway

Ballistic shield n lance my beloved

[odd arch]

a lot of additions great for the bot front specifically in recent times

[verbal summit]

Yea

Also the pawprint rifle

It seems so funny

[odd arch]

pawprint rifle sounds like illuminate peak

[verbal summit]

Also plasma special very interesting.

[odd arch]

the plasma I'll have to see to judge

potentially a banger

might be the first weapon to compete with autocannon in its niche

[graceful bluff]

warp pack might have charges that regenerate over time

for safe jumps

[burnt vapor]

My guess is that it's a cooldown between wormholes and then for the length of the wormhole you can jump as much as you want but are at the risk of not exiting the wormhole if you jump too much in one go

[verbal summit]

Melee is so funny

Too bad I only clipped 15 seconds I think the staredown was funnier

I suppose peeps will be grinding sc throughout the week for the warbond. If so ping me any time and ill join if I'm available. I almost have 1000 but still having 2000 would be cool too

[cobalt patrol]

My read is that chaining jumps is what's risky

It has no cooldown, but if you d ont give the singualrity a break, it; will evneutally splat you

[verbal summit]

But then how long is the break?

[odd arch]

at least 3

[cobalt patrol]

Well, we have no idea, yeah/ i'm just guessing

it's entirely possible it's the other thing ,i.e it just provides a safe jump intially, and gets increasingly more risky

[verbal summit]

@odd arch the only hard part of the melee build with the ballistic shield is finding good teammates. You are a great one cus you stim me and don't shoot me n I met another person today who was using hover with flamethrower I'd stun lance things n they'd set them on fire. Worked great on chargers. Plus they watched their fire very well. I gotta find more teammates like you 2

[odd arch]

:3

[verbal summit]

I also wanna grind to like 1.7k sc or something although actually more like 2k sc so I can buy the warbond, superstore stuff n another warbond should I want to

But time is finite

[odd arch]

work I'm at work

[verbal summit]

I gotta work tomorrow but I could tomorrow evening n the weekend

I should start working on my summer plans

[dusty spruce]

Curious about what is says for the arc grenade

Also in need of field testing is the new G-31 Arc grenade. The lightweight G-31 bounces while discharging electricity that strikes enemies (and Helldivers) in proximity.
Wonder if it is a single discharge of if it has a short ongoing aoe instead?
gonna take some learning with this one to find the sweatspot that helps more than instagibs teammates

[odd arch]

sounds like an arc take on pyrotech

[verbal summit]

I actually haven't used the police warbond arc nade so I'm curious how good thay is

I barley use grenades tbh I just have them and throw them at fabricators

[odd arch]

ok so imagine a thermite but it doesn't kill /hj

the design is very strange because like, you'd have an easier time just killing a single strong unit
and it can't stun multiple

thermites do one and stuns do the other

I don't see when urchin would be preferable

giving one unit a definite timeout would be solid with a larger carrying capacity or any other effect, but for example the AoE is tiny

it just needs a lil sos

[split parcel]

50% arc resistance won't save you from the tesla tower lmao

[verbal summit]

Still have questions about the rifle so I'll see it when I have it but all interesting stuff

[ionic holly]

yknow the armour passive looks fun but man is it hard to want to use anything but my bearer of the standard

[verbal summit]

I use drip

But lately the drip happens to have been the 50% armours

Specifically the Chrome one n the black n gold one

Black n gold with that superstore black n gold helmet from that one patriotic af warbond with the black super earth cape cus the whole set looks kinda knighty for when I'm using my melee stuff

[odd arch]

it's an interesting alternative to integrated explosives

[steady flame]

..Remind me, when does XBOX Helldivers launch again?

[ionic holly]

Oh and that rifle will definitely get me to buy the bond in of itself, I still want a proper backpack mingun type but this will absolutely scratch that itch

[odd arch]

also probably just straight up good on bot front because they don't tend to put your corpse in a meat grinder

escaping after reviving might be tricky vs the other two

[ionic holly]

It would help me be a bit of a fuckin' meanie to hulks, that saw blade slap sometimes clips me when im going to stunlance them so that'll basically hit it with a "nuh uh"

[strange vine]

august 26

[steady flame]

I see.

But also, volley gun. That's very funny. :3

[ionic holly]

It occurs to me that the variable will be the closest thing to a ar/shotgun hybrid we'll ever get unless they start adding skeleton keys

i am even more excited

[steady flame]

Also, the funny thing is, we've seen something like this historically, and it died because of recoil issues.

[ionic holly]

Yeah! i dont recall the name but multi barrel guns (beyond just the double or even quad barrel) have been an experiment multiple times iirc

[steady flame]

That one was the Nock gun.

[ionic holly]

Aye

nock gun is 100% probably what the main inspiration was drawn from i just know there were other multi barrled guns

like the TKB

[dusty spruce]

Seems to be somewhat of a spiritual successor to the Disposable Machine Gun from HD1. Ammunition is prolly stored the same way as that, with the bullets stacked in the barrels sequentially and electronically fired

it also appears to be break action, maybe?

[strange vine]

Ye

[verbal summit]

Does the stunlance stun hulks? I thought that was only from.the backside

[ionic holly]

Yeah only from the backside

the saw only ever hits when im circling them rarely

[verbal summit]

Ah

Maybe I should bring my melee build to the bot front....

Aura farming with the shield n lance with a sort of knightly armour

[verbal summit]

One of these days I'll cluster strike myself n survive on 50% armour

It'll be funny if I gamble hard enough for that

[cobalt patrol]

Used by Shape's second in command

[hazy oriole]

unfortunately lookin atthe vid i think its fired into the heatsink

[hearty pier]

I think you can break the front armour plate off with enough damage away from the vital bits. Been a while since I've fought scout striders though

[dry canopy]

I've never seen it happen but it does keep getting brought up... hmm.

[weary granite]

... This new warbond for some reason is making me think of doing a dumbass TF2 style Market Garden build.

[terse shoal]

IS THAT THE REAL SOUNDSMITH????

[weary granite]

Funny ragdoll intensifies

[unreal merlin]

I have 680 super credits between me and the warbond

[cobalt patrol]

You can, but the gun is totally different

Or is it, wait

Hmm

it may just be a socut strider missing the front armor plate, actually

[trail nymph]

With this new warbond my all laser build will finally be complete

[odd arch]

gonna have a lot of fun with the sentry

[stone bridge]

gimme that juicy plasma support weapon

[cobalt patrol]

I'm really hoping telefragging is good

[stone bridge]

yeah, same

[calm sorrel]

According to the wiki removing the front plate is fatal to the strider but I guess something weird could have happened

Or they could be buffing it to be able to survive that

[cobalt patrol]

I wouldn't mind if they're introducing a variant that's misisng the armor plate in return for bieng like, faster and more aggressive

(Scout striders are actually shockingly dangerous, i think they're more scary than rocket striders in some respects)

IOf they start firing with any accuracty, they will headshot a fool in short order

[trail nymph]

I’d like to see a stripped down variant of the hulk made for speed

[verbal summit]

@odd arch would you wanna play sometime today maybe?

[odd arch]

yee

[verbal summit]

I forgot to check my phone but seems I checked just in time

[odd arch]

got busy with family right after I sent that

will be back in like 20m

[verbal summit]

No worries

Ping me when you get back n I'll get back

Taking a break by rotting on the couch

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmaJkUjLQ5E

[weary granite]

Ey teh Rubix Rappa

[odd arch]

was it our sheer combined aura with palo or do terminids not know what to do in megacity maps

they felt oddly blind and lethargic

I have a theory, their AI likes to crabwalk to encircle you

and they have nowhere to crabwalk but don't compensate for that

[verbal summit]

Ah

Could be

But I think it was our aura too

[odd arch]

I'm going to have so many bad habits when they're back to their natural habitat

what do you mean I can't skyrim dungeon speedrun anymore

[verbal summit]

I saw you could wave the flag but how do you wave it on console?

[trail nymph]

Hold reload

[verbal summit]

Ah

I must've not noticed it when i did that

[graceful bluff]

You know I realized a strategic weapon we don't have yet

We have the spear, we have the commando, but we don't have a tv guided missile

a la the redeemer from unreal tournament

[verbal summit]

A wha?

Like guided from a lil screen or something?

Sort of orbital missile thing?

Cus yeah that'd be cool

[odd arch]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-diver-catapult-warhammer-total-war-greenskins-warhammer-fantasy-homing-missile-gif-19362341

I have a better idea

(also known as kicking your backpack hellbomb teammate out of a speeding car)

[verbal summit]

Lmao amazing gif

[odd arch]

TV missile could probably afford to be very powerful because like you're stuck in place and still gotta actually hit it

which'd be nice

I don't like being at the mercy of the spear's machine spirit

if I miss I want it to be my own skill issue

[verbal summit]

Could be fun yeah

As an orbital maybe or a special weapon

[odd arch]

tbh I'm completely out of touch with AT weapon shots to kill

EAT is the only one I ever run

[verbal summit]

Ah

I used to run more medium stuff like amr but with the eruptor I don't need to cus eruptor is anti medium

I should honestly play with other weapons more but eruptor exists

[blissful sparrow]

i hate the phoenix from planetside 2 so much.

[odd arch]

on the giving or receiving end?

[blissful sparrow]

receiving, the giving was just mindnumbingly boring
the receiving was mindnumbingly boring standing there and every 20 seconds you had to shoot a screaming rocket with a bullet to protect the sunderer

[odd arch]

I was an unironic scorpion user

for non-players: imagine the airburst launcher but it just makes your targets aggravated

[blissful sparrow]

Lancer was my go to, premium anti air launcher after they nerfed its range

Charge up, tripple staged hitscan laserbeam

[trail nymph]

I find your lack of veneration for the spears machine spirit concerning

[ionic holly]

the spear's machine spirit has never betrayed my trust

that or it just REALLY likes me

[quick plinth]

the spear, as a weapon, should really kill any target it hits minus fac strider and leviathan

considering it has at most 4 rounds without resupplying (so either having a friend feed you supplypack boxes or you hogging a resupply)

[verbal summit]

Tbh I tend to come around ammo just fine

Same with stims

And I forget I even have grenades

[tardy onyx]

Wait the warrent is a smart pistol, now I'm even annoyed I missed it!

[graceful bluff]

it'll be back soon

[strange vine]

Its so silly it has less total damage fully loaded than RR. It really should have 6000 damage

RR has (5+1)*3200 = 19200 damage, Spear has (3+1)*4000 = 16000 damage

With 6000 damage it would have a total of 24000

[royal lantern]

Conceptually, I guess, the RR requires aiming and accounting for drop so the spear has the lock on as a QOL thing bringing it's damage down

But I think that's also kind of silly with how little ammo it has

And how single purpose it is

[steady flame]

That's a Goblin Doom Diver Catapult.

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[strange vine]

im thinking about the DRG Thunderhead autocannon in Helldivers 2 and brainstorming the stats
im thinking these sorts of stats:

AC-12 Thunderhead
Bullet: Cannon 20mm SAPHET (semi-armor piercing high explosive tracer)
220/140 AP4 Damage/Durable, 240 AP3 AoE damage (3m inner radius/5m outer radius)
Magazine: 24 shells
Reserve Mags: 1 (+1 with Siege Ready)
RPM: 330 (165 for each barrel alternating fire)
Reload Time: stationary, 6.5 seconds, 5.5 second tactical reload
Ergonomics: -14 (same as Eruptor pre-buff)
Recoil: same as HMG
Accuracy: fairly poor in comparison, both barrels will be offset from the reticle
idea here is that while the AC-8 can be used for precision work, the thunderhead is more for saturation fire with better ROF, magazine size, and aoe damage at the cost of direct hit damage and accuracy. It's also got less total ammo, 48 shells as opposed to the 60 shells of the AC-8. Compared to the GL, it has better single target armor penetration with AP4, but has way worse ergonomics and reload time (while mandating stationary reload as well)

DRG has 110 rounds for the Thunderhead per mag but actually looking at the model the drums look like they can only hold at best 12 rounds per drum

[verbal summit]

Taming chargers is difficult

[odd arch]

https://tenor.com/view/chain-dune-zendaya-dune-sandworm-dune-sandworm-ride-worm-dune-gif-9043350771924804883

[verbal summit]

Played some divers while drunk

Trying to do my melee build while drunk is very ill advised

[steady flame]

God that scene is so good.

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[fringe quiver]

Gun

[fringe quiver]

Gun

[tall stone]

Gun

[hexed steeple]

gun

[unreal merlin]

This is just how public polls go: if you add a gag option (especially at the end) people will overwhelmingly choose the gag option

[rare nymph]

It does feel right that a bunch of Helldivers would overwhelmingly vote to name a city Gun

[hexed steeple]

looking forward to it falling in some future event so we can finally have Gun 2

[verbal summit]

I'm trying to seek the thrill of melee n ballistic shield on the bug front but nothing comes quite close yet

Maybe melee with the warp pack on bots. Shields either of the 2 options are just meh.

N the illuminate are somewhat annoying with how fleshmobs can ignore the stun occasionally.

[tight zephyr]

I haven’t gone after squid in like a month. The Battle of Super Earth kind of killed my taste for them, especially with how annoying fleshmobs are.

[karmic prawn]

I wonder if the joke will be overriding the vote

[unreal merlin]

Managed democracy in action.

[stone bridge]

democracy protects/force of law stonks

[hexed steeple]

it is true that chest injury never made me feel particularly panicked before

[hearty pier]

With vitality booster (most missions) 1 rounded to 0 anyway so you were immune

[cobalt patrol]

I love that they buffed the flag... By letting it be put in corpses, and no other changes

Committing to the bit there

[stone bridge]

i've come around to it just being funny

[hexed steeple]

me when there's a joke item in a videod game

[stone bridge]

grrr!!!!

[idle hollow]

i'm okay with it being a joke item

but i also crave the AOE buff

[graceful bluff]

Aoe buff+lemme chuck it like a spear

Stick a flag in the stupid face of a bile titan

[idle hollow]

so you just wanna turn it into the afentis from warframe

very fair

[graceful bluff]

yes

Or the javlok, I'm not picky

[cobalt patrol]

Also

hey

uh

Bot icties are in game now

there's uh, there's stuff happening

||War Striders are active||

[stone bridge]

wh

what are those

[cobalt patrol]

Friends!

Defintely not Ed-209 refrences.

just friends

||https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1m0d3dv/the_bots_have_war_mechs_now/||

[stone bridge]

haha holy shit

[cobalt patrol]

We have known about these in the files for SO LONG

So. LONG

Also i should calrify, it's bot Mega cities that are acitve

[cobalt patrol]

Hmm, early tests: One to the leg with the RR kills them, but takes 2 to the body. Possibly you can get a one shot if you hit the eye? One of their attacks is Very Funny ||Hope you like grenades||

Ahyup, one to the eye works

[stone bridge]

what AV are we talking here

[cobalt patrol]

looks like av 4 for the legs and eye?

Please note this is based on in game observations

They're tough enough they can be caught ina 500kg explosion and survive

at least at the edges

mechincalyl ,tehy're not as directly threatning as hulks or tanks, but they're much better at driving you out of ocver

||helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/War_Strider|| Early details on em

[cobalt patrol]

Oh no, the one true flag is crashing games

Rip

[weary granite]

The flag is crashing games and the damn customization menu is still crashing damn it

Also our Exosuits need some serious upgrades to durability/survivability/viability. They are already so low in resource when played, they don't need to be made of paper mache.

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> time for bots https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1394710278494752958

[sage plume]

id love to but

[split parcel]

Jesus

359 mbps

[sage plume]

yeah no for some reason my helldiveras updates always take a day, kinda killing my intrest in the game

[split parcel]

Ah I meant like

The highest I've seen my internet speed go is about 25 mbps. Couldn't imagine over 300

[sly girder]

it's probably because of either read/write speed

because it unzips the game's files, modifies them, and then zips again

this is more common in HDDs

[unreal merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208390071074562139/1394720873893597294/image.png?ex=6877d688&is=68768508&hm=794572b28b774b9cb6add96da0c334bdfebaafd1283f3e5716e41ac4c063bffe&

[sage plume]

but its on my internal SSD thats the thing

eh either way

[tardy onyx]

We get robocop and now the bots got ED-209s now.

[hearty pier]

I have the same problem. Is your SSD fairly full? Steam seems to be unpacking the zips to my HDD because it doesn't think it has room to fully unpack the full game.

Doesn't seem to be a write speed consideration on where to work on the game, just space

[tight zephyr]

These Warstrider things are cool.

That shit rules.

[unreal merlin]

Played like 8 missions earlier and never saw a single one. :(

[tight zephyr]

I've been seeing a lot of them. I want a figure of one. They look sick.

[weary granite]

These War Striders are definitely what would have popped out of Tien Kwan early if it wasn't liberated.

Also I like how they used the fuck ton of grenades instead of instant kill homing versions of Reinforced Strider rockets.

It makes them feel punishing but fair.

Not the "I see you. Now perish." Of the Leviathan.

[tight zephyr]

Yeah, the rain of grenades is like "ah fuck."

[strange vine]

Ive encountered them on the constellations that have tons of berserkers and hulk scorchers

[cobalt patrol]

Werid, they've been super common for me.

They're fun!

[odd arch]

common clanker W

[trail nymph]

Anyone interested in seeing the stats for the new warbond equipment?

[weary granite]

Currently SC and Medal farming to hopefully unlock the warbond tomorrow

Fortune shines on me this day for I have received a +100 SC pile.

For the cost of having four damn bunkers in a solo farming experience on one map xD

[stark ether]

honestly

i'd take that trade on every map

[cobalt patrol]

I have seen them, but i'd wait for stuff to ofifcally release, just in case

[warm flint]

anyone up to helldive in about half an hour?

[weary granite]

Eh, I'm mostly just gonna farm SC to unlock the warbond tomorrow then calling it.

[weary granite]

Ahem

https://youtu.be/GtZlI3iqsqs?si=Rm9zXrN0xrN1Kz7_

"I can't believe Arrowhead remastered the hit 90s game."

[verbal summit]

Sick tricks

[verbal summit]

Those new units are funny

[strange vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1231197788319256638/1394756757066354811/rapidsave.com_n6vx45e352df1.gif?ex=68794974&is=6877f7f4&hm=b8256f2bd3c919431952f63191e8ea6a23c4c133242616fc41e986987784a458&=

[glad marsh]

Oh, is there a new thing?

[split parcel]

yeah, new bot unit

they do a lot of grenades

[weary granite]

War Strider: "Hey, I have a special delivery for you!" : D
Helldiver: "T-Those are grenades."
War Strider: "Yep, and I got a lot of it to share!"

[unreal merlin]

Just encountered war striders for the first time, very excellent addition to the bot roster.

[strange vine]

They seem to replace tanks

Ive encountered them most often on the berserker and hulk scorcher heavy constellations

[cobalt patrol]

That makes a lot of sense given they're designed to drive you out of cover

So they'd pair well with Zerkers and Scorchers

Nowj ust give me a jumpack and the grenades leave firepools behind them for hte incin Corp version

[weary granite]

I think the Incin Corps version would be their laser cannons being long ass flamethrowers and incendiary grenades.

Jet Brigade one would likely have lighter armor and instead of laser cannons its machine guns. : p

[tardy onyx]

I landed on my fucking teammate. I'm so embarrassed.

[cobalt patrol]

One detail I appreciate is if you kill them with a leg about they collapse

But if you kill them with an eye/body shot they explode

[cobalt patrol]

Hey, it happens

[true seal]

It very rarely happens when my friends and I play and honestly I always find it so funny

[tardy onyx]

I feel worse about it because a minute before another teammate literally sprinted into my gunfire at head height. Although that is kind of on him.

[true seal]

In fairness I also only play with friends and not randos, so friendly fire incidents are usually more… friendly

[cobalt patrol]

I once asked two randoms to repeat the hug emote so I could test something.

Tragically, it turns out the Deadeye doesn't over penetate heads, and I only killed one of them

Blahaj, No!

https://i.redd.it/mwjt6jacpadf1.png

[weary granite]

Definitely looks like an actual ragdoll from getting hit at the back of the head

[verbal summit]

What time does warbond release?

[stone bridge]

an hour's time, i think

[calm sorrel]

now

[verbal summit]

Ah

Yeah I was wondering where it was but it's there now just took a few minutes

[quick plinth]

1100 sweden

which is just central european time

[verbal summit]

Yea

[verbal summit]

The funny gun is funny

And the epoch seems to be a somewhat different quasar

I honestly prefer it but that's mostly cus visually the quasar just doesn't speak to me that much

[quartz cloak]

Aaaaaaaand the volley gun is light pen
Bugger

[stone bridge]

which means it's still good

[quartz cloak]

Is it accurate enough to hit weakpoints?

[stone bridge]

yes, especially on lower RPM full auto

[odd arch]

it's weird to me that medium pen is a huge concern primarily for bot divers

I'm a bot diver and bots taught me light pen is good

[quartz cloak]

I find light pen acceptable on lasers, probably because I'm abysmal at recoil/spread control

That and I hate striders

[odd arch]

okay I'll be real I don't think I've ever blown up a strider's rocket

[quartz cloak]

I did
With the scythe

[odd arch]

I've tried a few times, dumped them to no effect, went back to my old strats

could've been that the last time I tried they were bugged, knowing this game

last time being... not long after they were introduced

[stone bridge]

you gotta have precise aim and shoot the ones that are unfired

[verbal summit]

I do it all the time

With talon it's 1 shot

[quick plinth]

I just wish they'd fix the sight FOV on the scythe

[sage plume]

<@&1206091872716595200> been a while

[quartz cloak]

Okay, so
Tried out the Variable, the full auto feels really anemic even on max RPM
But I love the shotgun mode

[odd arch]

the low durable damage is a headscratcher

they take a somewhat simulationist approach to balance and durable damage is largely that, representing how good the weapon is at coring out tough enemies if it does penetrate

and I would like to know how does simultaneous impact from that many bullets not pop enemies like balloons

it's also a headscratcher for gameplay design balance but

[stone bridge]

is it?

i wouldn't want the weapon to become the premiere charger killer either really

[odd arch]

I don't think it'd be that big of a deal for it to have the exposed weakpoint niche, considering it seems statistically average

but I'll give it a few weeks to reveal its uses

very fun design and it's not leaving my hands anytime soon but numerically it's not really shaking anything up

I hope my position is clear - that weapons should have stat defined strengths to maximize roster enjoyment, but I will also defend the flag doing nothing or gimmick guns existing, even if it'd be really neat if they had an usecase

[verbal summit]

I think this gun has a usecase

Which is that it's very varied and can be used many ways

Very adaptable

[odd arch]

the end effect difference between firing 7 shots from high ROF in full auto vs firing a volley and reaiming is imo purely personal preference

which once again dope

might end up becoming a weird sniper gun with backup assault rifle

[verbal summit]

Yeah I think it makes it adaptable in removing a devastator unit in 1 shot with the shotgun like mode. At least it did that gor me maybe it was already damaged.

Either waygood gun

I don't think there's really any gimmick gun

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, I'd probably end up using it as a DMR with an underslung SMG
And an under-underslung Hulk heatsink obliterator

[odd arch]

hey actually

yet another siege ready W

[alpine seal]

important info for super credit farmers: bunker contents are now generated at the start of a mission, meaning clipping inside them now lets you take the rewards properly. you can do this by hugging the wall with the back of an exosuit and climbing out. i assume the warp pack may be able to do this as well

[quick plinth]

weren't they always?

you could clip into the bunker to see what was inside by jumping into the door in first person

[alpine seal]

i recall a lot of info saying that they could be clipped into but the rewards didn't spawn in until you opened them in the intended manner

[quick plinth]

which seems weird when you can see into the bunker before it's open and see the rewards

[alpine seal]

if this was fixed before and i never knew, take this as posting a funny screenshot

it may have been that they weren't interactible before

[quick plinth]

maybe, but the support weapons would even show as interactables through the door

perhaps specifically SC

idk

[alpine seal]

looking it up there are some inconsistent reports, saw this one from 2 months ago claiming the rewards generated but couldn't be claimed without opening

[verbal summit]

I'm 80% sure it was fixed before

But there's the 20%

So I guess you posted 80% funny screenshot and 20% info

:3

[warm flint]

this happens to me all the time

I feel like trying to herd lemmings when I have to shoot between people moving in front of me

[warm flint]

I saw an old vid about someone going "how can we make the constitution useful?" and the answer was "artillery, gas barrage, fix bayonets"

[quick plinth]

anyone else have Borderline Justice stuck at the top for them even though they bought everything?

I assume this is because of the on-release bug of it when the deadeye was unattainable and then being given later

[verbal summit]

No clue

I think my top one is vipers

[quick plinth]

that's odd, do you have everything in it?

[verbal summit]

No

I don't even own it

[strange vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1392863016134905886/1395380186001965076/image.png?ex=687a3c91&is=6878eb11&hm=97952f7f8ba69a147ac6f6b2607ed1b9d9f0f6f0a5292ee91485892e7b3475e3&

[verbal summit]

Also the armour passive is so funny

Cus I saw a teammate on their 2nd life and I was just standing next to them knowing they were going to die

Just looking at each other "yep"

[cobalt patrol]

Borderline is stuck at the top for me. It prioritizes warbonds in which you have unpurchased stuff, I'm guessing since borderline justice had the weapon issue, it thanks it's not complete

[tardy onyx]

Yes the warp pack can, just saw it on the bird site

[strange vine]

okay sniping hulk vents with the variable total fire is really satisfying
its pinpoint accurate meaning you can just do it from a distance

[tardy onyx]

I'm so brain-rotted, I thought the protect eardrums emote what's the Omni-man think pose for a second.

[fringe quiver]

So we can open the 2 panel doors as a solo now?

[quick plinth]

yeah with the blink pack or glitching through the door with a mech

[quick plinth]

and if you go prone you don't get ragdolled (or break your arm I think?)!

[odd arch]

preventing ragdolling makes sense but preventing self damage is a bit funny

I'd rather do a backflip with the gun flying out of my arms than brace it with my whole ass spine

[odd arch]

you had me at fix bayonets

[verbal summit]

Omg the warp pack is hilarioue

Hilarious

Accidentally warping into randoms

[graceful bluff]

I just had the worst idea

you know those rifle grenades

That but instead of a grenade, it's the bayonet

[harsh kayak]

He was shot with a knife

[odd arch]

ballistic knife 2.0

[verbal summit]

I tried to reinforce myself as I was on my borrowed life with the new armour n it didn't work :/

[quick plinth]

like throwing it up into the air as ur about to die?

[verbal summit]

Yeah

Game has to actually have dead people at time of throwing it seems

Maybe if I hold it as I die

[verbal summit]

Nope also didn't work

[quick plinth]

apparently if you die with the new armor, then get into an exo, the bleeding stops.

likely unintended

[odd arch]

welcome back, dreadnought 40k

[hazy oriole]

was trying to run flamethrower on illuminates and for some reason i had a weirdly hard time setting melee overseers (and specifically melee overseers) on fire

i'd turn the stream right on 'em and get the hitmarkers, but if i moved off them they didn't ignite

[strange vine]

cause they fixed the bug that made status effects apply extra for every player in the squad, but that effectively nerfed every status effect applier in the game

[hazy oriole]

ughhhhh, was hoping that wouldn't be the case when i read that in the patch notes

maaaaan

[stone bridge]

They'll 100% make adjustments soon dw

[hazy oriole]

hope you're right

[cobalt patrol]

There's a confirmed bug with the Epoch's spread apparently

[split parcel]

yeah it's kinda gnarly

[unreal merlin]

Gnarly indeed. It's on par with the old Reprimand where shots whiff 20 degrees off target. Very frustrating, but I'll be happy it's acknowledged as a bug

[split parcel]

Speaking of Reprimand I just got it effectively maxed out and it's...really cool?

But also feels like kind of a bear with its ammo economy. It's got some chunky damage per shot and a nice slow fire rate, really sells the "beef" of the weapon. But god it just never feels like it has quite as much ammo per mag as I want.

Thinking of leveling the Halt next

[unreal merlin]

Got the warp pack. It's crazy fun, easily new favorite stratagem.

[split parcel]

If I didn't have work I'd have gotten it, will hopefully nab it tomorrow or over the weekend

Finally I won't have to rely on the team to open bunkers

[unreal merlin]

It's not super long range of a disjoint, but it's in any lateral direction and it's got a little leeway on verticality. Being able to blip through walls and terrain is huge for cutting through messes, and you can even use the teleport while doing other things like ADS or charging weapons (so you can pre-charge and blink out into the open to shoot)

[split parcel]

I also saw you can blink on top of shorter buildings if you're close to them

[weary granite]

Ngl, the Epoch is kinda... Underwhelming.

[odd arch]

let us loot the overseer mortar instead

it'd also be underwhelming but at least insulting

[unreal merlin]

I will probably like the epoch when its accuracy bug is fixed. As-is, it's got a kinda neat anti-heavy niche but the unpredictable 20-degree deviations mean it can take upwards of 6 shots to kill an enemy that should only take 1 (because you whiff 5 of them)

[weary granite]

That and the overcharging mechanic should be a bit more forgiving, like yeah it will explode but the window is so damn small for a potential damage boost.

The 2nd Level charge I mean

[odd arch]

a nice compromise would be a small Perfect Charge window followed by more generous explosion window

[unreal merlin]

I recommend not looking at the charge meter at all, and instead listening for the sound cue.

Otherwise... idk just don't hold it unless you're ready to shoot.

[odd arch]

trigger discipline is for communists

[quick plinth]

it's statistically(as in the literal weapon spread values) worse

[unreal merlin]

fun warp pack fact: you can teleport out of Pelican-1 during the extraction liftoff. you hang around in normal camera on the ground while extraction plays

[odd arch]

do you get counted as extracted?

[unreal merlin]

Yes

[cobalt patrol]

The moment you enter the ship, you count as a successful extraction, even if a player frags ya

[hexed steeple]

if the records say you extracted but you died your death becomes a stasticial error

[ionic holly]

hey the fuck do you mean automatons have timber wolves now

[split parcel]

And they have Iskander tactics now too

[warm flint]

I need to get everyone close together and just return all the grenades back at it someday

[ionic holly]

Alright i love the new armour and the variable

[ionic holly]

Apologies if mods arent most folks cup of tea but this one is so inspired i just have to share it

https://youtu.be/6KDCYa0-Mzw?si=V9P1io8seENkXG9o

[cobalt patrol]

That seems incredibly annoying to play with

More power to ya if it's your thing, but wow

[ionic holly]

Oh it probably is, i just want to appreciate the thought process behind it

[verbal summit]

When using epoch it has like blue charge stuff around the what's it called the hole the plasma comes out of. When you're halfway it goes away and then it comes back like a moment before exploding so I just use that

Visual cue won't get disturbed by audio after all

Also I have to reiterate that I think the new armour is hilarious because you can just be dying and looking at your teammate n both of you know there's nothing you can do

[ionic holly]

i fucking adore the new armour man

[odd arch]

mech stopping bleedout is so cool, I hope they don't take it out

like it'll never happen organically in a match

but knowing there's a possibility you'll end up encased in a mech

[harsh kayak]

Does it resume once you exit?

[calm sorrel]

Maybe they just did this because it's easier than making an animation for the new pilot dragging the corpse of the previous one out of the mech

[tight zephyr]

I kind of like the Variable.

Run Peak Physique and you basically get a combination assault rifle and marksman rifle.

[unreal merlin]

I think it's decidedly okay. I do find satisfaction in hitting devastators in the gut with a single Volley shot and cutting them in half. Seven bullets at once works great.

[strange vine]

Good mod for epoch
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/6534

[strange vine]

OH MY GOD https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1m38q8s/joined_an_operation_where_all_the_bots_were/

[ionic holly]

DEAR CHRIST

[unreal merlin]

BRRRRRRRRRT

[ionic holly]

I know the stripes are mismatched but i
really like this combo

[verbal summit]

This is why I'd like the game to just offer some basic colour options for armours so you can at least match everything.

[ionic holly]

i suppose i could just use the medium armour's headpiece

[verbal summit]

Looks dope yea

Unfortunately the colours of this warbond don't particularly match much with other stuff

It's just the wrong shade of green for a lot of stuff

Epoch feels underwhelming

N not for the short window to explode yourself I've seen people talk about. The visual cue I use makes it easy not to explode myself. Also not for the accuracy thing I'd heard about here.

It's just like it charges up and at the risk of killing yourself only to end up not even being able to 1 hit a hulk.

Is it just good for clearing hordes of mediums like it seems advertised to be or is it just meh?

It just feels like a somewhat worse quasar in a sense. But the visual of the explosion seems kinda huge idk if that's the actual damaging radius too or if that's just a visual thing

[split parcel]

I feel like being able to fire off three shots in a row gives it a good niche compared to the quasar

[verbal summit]

Eh it's just not quite worth it to me

Takes more time

[split parcel]

Quasar can one tap a bit easier but you get three quicker shots with Epoch

I've found it fairly useful

[verbal summit]

Yeah and then you only have 5 ammo total (4+1 in the gun) so you just run out of ammo fasy.

Fasy

Fast

It's fairly useful

But like

Every time I use it I could jusr use quasar and get away with it far better

I can wait around the 10 seconds it takes for the quasar to recharge if there's more than 1 hulk or other heavy unit

[ionic holly]

i'm hardstuck to my spear and wasp so the chances i'll get to use it are rare

[stone bridge]

The spear? Why?

[ionic holly]

Because i like it?

i like my funky lil javelin

[stone bridge]

Fair enough

[supple siren]

Epoch just doesn't do enough with the ammo it has, imo

'Heavy Armor Penetration' sure if you wanna try killing a BT over the course of an hour

[strange vine]

heard it can kill in 2 max charge shots

presumably head shots?

which

good luck with hitting the head with the shittiest accuracy in the game lol

missing a devastator at 18 meters twice in a row sucks ass

[stone bridge]

once the bug gets fixed that'll help

[trim breach]

What bug?

Is the fact your shots will go flying off at a 30 degree angle from where you're aiming actually unintended?

[split parcel]

Just got it, yeah its pretty dope

[stone bridge]

yes

[ionic holly]

i oddly like the idea of the nerds on super earth shipping out a few ship loads of epochs and going "AW FUCK FRANK FORGOT TO UPDATE THE RANGEFINDER"

[unreal merlin]

In order to better warp up on top of things, dive and then teleport mid-dive. It allows you greater vertical mobility.

[verbal summit]

Exactly

[verbal summit]

I feel like that can't be true. It already takes 2 shots to kill a hulk

But idk

[unreal merlin]

2 good charge shots to the face, or one to the eye will instantly kill it

Hulk that is, I haven't fought bugs in a while

It'd be cool if the huge blast nature of it dunked on fleshmobs though by breaking lots of its heads

[verbal summit]

I've tried eye shot to hulks but it felt like it still took 2

Yeah that'd be neat

I just want the epoch to be a lil better. Like it deserves to at least 1 shot hulks imo

[unreal merlin]

I can confirm it CAN one shot hulks to the front (and obviously will to the back), but it's not guaranteed and made even more frustrating when your shot whiffs to the side and misses completely three times in a row

[quick plinth]

as they said, they'll fix the spread, so until they do I'd avoid using the gun since its just an exercise in frustration

[quartz cloak]

I swear, this game's code is held together with silly string

[weary granite]

I heard the Warp Pack can let us solo farm Bunkers. Please let this be true?

[harsh kayak]

Yes, iirc

[weary granite]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-woooo-yeah-baby-gif-24480925

[calm sorrel]

also if you could clip into bunkers before, now you'll be able to actually grab the stuff in there!

Before, unless you used the door, the items just didn't get their interact buttons

[weary granite]

I will be getting the Warp Pack just for the Kewl Totally Legitimately Ministry of Science Approved way of acquiring funds

[odd arch]

I wonder if this is related to missions breaking because you can't pick up objectives from inside bunkers

[calm sorrel]

they definitely only undid it because they wanted people to use the new MoS cred farming method

[weary granite]

Though looking at Warp Pack in combat use, that is a really generously fast CD for Safe Warp.

They're probably going to decrease the CD a bit there.

[strange vine]

Max charge has 800/400 ap5 damage/durable for projectile and 800 ap5 explosion. Bile Titan head is 1500 HP 95% durable and 50% explosion damage resistant, so it becomes 420 direct damage + 400 explosion damage for 820 damage per hit, which works out to a 2 hit breakpoint

[steady flame]

Is max charge when it glows, or just before detonation?

[unreal merlin]

I actually tried this and couldn't pick up the bunker loot

Had to call for a buddy to just open the door

[unreal merlin]

What's this referring to?

[graceful bluff]

MoS?

[unreal merlin]

just had it happen again, city maps aren't letting me blip through the doors and gather the loot, have to get a buddy to open the door before the loot becomes interactable

[quick plinth]

you'll be happy to learn that by fixing the typing animation disarming you, they've just broken that animation entirely, so now u just stand there as you type

[cobalt patrol]

It is though! Arrowhead said they updated things for precisely this use case

[quartz cloak]

God
Dammit

[ionic holly]

Just so i make sure im not missing something, is there any reason to crack fabs on OBJ points? cause to my understanding unless you're gonna linger, not really

[oblique hazel]

The principal of it

Also they used to affect patrol spawning when you weren't in the area, but I'm not sure if that's the case anymore

[ionic holly]

Principal is nice n all but extraction is right there, i'd rather just go and get a new mission

[graceful bluff]

get you more xp I think

[ionic holly]

if it was an outpost, yeah

i just mean the filler around an objective though like a fabricator near the command bunker

[hallow gorge]

I mean they still spawn trash mobs

It's probably worth it just to make the objective a little easier

[ionic holly]

Yes but the objective is done and its out of the way

like, im talking specifically goes away from extract to just go kill fabs that dont give anything and wouldnt effect us

Eh its not important, we got the mission done

im not trying to bitch about em its just like i was wondering if i was missing something

[hallow gorge]

Oh yeah, the spawners in objectives don't give exp or anything

[tight zephyr]

The new laser turret fucking rips.

[hallow gorge]

Like, in a bad way?

[tight zephyr]

Huh? No, that means it's sicknasty.

It rules.

[weary granite]

So far the laser actually seems pretty good on Illuminate fronts if you put it where most peeps cant reach.

[tight zephyr]

It's been really handy for bots and occasionally popping a Hulk and taking out gunships.

[unreal merlin]

it stops enemies from spawning from them, but if the site isn't an Outpost there's no explicit need to break all the fabricators. You just blow up whatever you're there for (e.g. jammer, detector, bioprocessors, etc)

I usually do anyway just to spite the enemy, but I also do a lot of things to spite the enemy like denying them any and all resources I can.

I've had surges of spite enough that I shoot off bullets just so I can pick up more supply/ammo boxes from the POI/ground and deny the bots from getting to scavenge those resources for their own diabolical uses.

[verbal summit]

I just kill all fabricators out of principal

But sometimes I rather just leave

[odd arch]

I tested my HMG theory some more (using it on bots as a sorta hilltop sniper AMR alternative) and it's, definitely super solid in that role

but every time it's inconvenient for me I remember why laser cannon will forever be my beloved

[ionic holly]

I got teach someone something fun today!

Someone asked me how i was killing command bunkers without a hellbomb and i showed them that my spear did it in 2

[odd arch]

mere concrete vs military industrial complex

I also ran supply pack for one of these games btw, I think I should do that more often to beat the habit of being extremely stingy with resources out of myself

[ionic holly]

Not a bad idea

i'm uh- super stubborn about taking resupplies myself

[odd arch]

it's funny how the game successfully conditioned me to use my stratagems all the time, practically on cooldown

but I run around with no nades, half a stim and two mags between my three weapons

[ionic holly]

listen if my teammates don't need it then why should i call it

[odd arch]

bot front enables me because troopers can just be thwacked in the face

...I wonder how the hatchet deals with walkers

[ionic holly]

Does it pen them now with the leg change?

[split parcel]

the hatchet has always dunked on scout striders

with viper commando armor for +100% melee damage it 2 or 3 shots them in the legs

[odd arch]

but what about the robocop mecha?

once again my inability to remember proper names strikes

[strange vine]

You can even do it in one! If you manage to get into a position where you're hitting the rectangular bit under a turret then its a one shot

[split parcel]

war strider, and it does not deal with them at all. hatchet is AP3 and there is no part of the strider that is not at least AV4

the shins are AV5

[odd arch]

wasn't there something with the hatchet passing through armour conditionally?

[strange vine]

Only if the inner part has less hp

It works on chargers cause they have squishy inner bits

[ionic holly]

Ooo noted

truly my bunker buster approach is literal

also i don't know why but i've learned new bloods (level 20 and less) tend to stick around me for some reason

[unreal merlin]

My new favorite tactic for command bunkers is running and warping up to them like a madman and hellbombing them with zero hesitation.

Previously I was a "sit at a distance and dunk on them with AT Emplacement" kind of guy

[steady flame]

Median White Feather nonsense.

Alder (it/its) ↩️

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Also my preferred Cmd.Bnkr method is er, Walking 380.

[ionic holly]

There is something great feeling about (temporarily) yoinking someone's warp pack to retrieve a good 20ish lost samps with a just "ill give this back when im back"

[quick plinth]

warpacks are pcool

they let me basically "dash" dodge things

I can only imagine the kiting potential against bugs

[ionic holly]

They're honestly really cool yeah, not something i'd run since i prefer eh... ordinance but in some case i didn't i'd love em

Also man i feel like i suck ass against the incen corps

i just keep dying

[quick plinth]

yeah no they're tough

I've only found things that mince devs to work well

eruptor, crossbow, staying far away so as to snipe heads and remain out of effective range

[ionic holly]

I've enjoyed using my volley on them but yeah i might have to just switch to tenderizer till we're done with em

[supple siren]

Personal Shield also real nice for dealing with stray hits lighting you up

[true seal]

I always being Portable Hellbomb on bot missions

[supple siren]

Strategem Jammern't

[ionic holly]

i've been enjoying my PHB the few times i get to bring it with the heavy defib armour

trigger the defib? fuck it i'm dying anyways might aswell take the city block with me

the best instance of that was getting killed via a lucky shotgun blast from a dev (those can get such minimal spread sometimes) and just dropping samples, telling my friend to grab and don't look back and just killing like fuckin

40~ bots with it

also i've learned some fascinating aspects to the undead state, there a surprising amount of things that do super low damage to you while you're in that state, like hulk melee

[tight zephyr]

GUN! GUN! GUN! GUN! GUN!

[ionic holly]

GUN GUN GUN GUN

[weary granite]

They should have went GUN of REMEMBERANCE

[graceful bluff]

GUN of GUN

[unreal merlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1204832579287519292/1394511741894922450/image.png?ex=687e5404&is=687d0284&hm=ce352c230c32d709a339ae6c257d652fcf9af6a8eb2f3ddb90ec7f8d44fb1676&

[ionic holly]

Okay i just-
i know we have a thing against ranting about randoms but can i please detail two folk who were just
actually unpleasant to play with?

[true seal]

https://tenor.com/view/zardoz-sean-connery-gif-18293083

[ionic holly]

GUN IS GOOD

[unreal merlin]

Idk sometimes the randoms are just so unfathomable, like the time I saw them dying a lot and complaining about how the game is too hard only to spectate them from deadcam to find that they were never actually aiming (as in hold RMB) with their guns

Game journalist energy

[cobalt patrol]

I need to play more, but I'm just waiting til they patch the Epoch I think. I really wanna try Epoch + Warp Pack shenanigans, and I feel like it'd kill my vibes hard to deal with it's random spread right now

Also I'm playing lots of wilds, lots of DK bananza and lots of reus 2, so you know

[unreal merlin]

Try warp pack + quasar, it has what I believe to be similar feel to warp pack + epoch (post bugfix)

epoch kinda fits a quasar role but is slightly less AT for faster charging and refire rate

[split parcel]

oh did they already fix epoch

?

oh wait nvm i think i misunderstood you

[ionic holly]

Ill spoiler it for people who dont wanna read it, feels like a fair compromise?

|| So two problem players, one more than the other, short of it is one of them purposefully armed my hellbomb 3 times, and also teamkilled me with an explosive barrel they were carrying around, just genuinely infuriating, other player didnt really become a problem until they both burnt almost all the reinforces and i had to basically hold out for 2 minutes, call in the first guy who TRIES TO TK ME AGAIN FOR SOME FUCKING REASON, fails, i hold out another 2 minutes, get the other guy in, he fucking grenades me and tries to say i was in his way. when i was going in a different direction. with no enemies in that line of engagement.||

|| So im just sitting there dumb founded as he just fucks around and dies and its just, i gave it all i had man. ||

[split parcel]

i feel grateful that i haven't had anyone like that as a teammate yet

never experienced any team killing

[ionic holly]

Ive had my fair share of accidental team kills, its just part of the game realistically

but intentional ones? very few and far between

this case stuck out because i just
i dont get it
i was holding out for so long
if you didnt want to do the mission anymore just kick me or go to ship, dont just make me fight for four minutes yknow?

[split parcel]

yeah that sucks shit

[ionic holly]

i know im very self centered here but like, these werent accidents as much as i tried to excuse it

[split parcel]

i don't think that's self centered

[cobalt patrol]

This is why I just host, or am willing to bail if stuff goes south

[ionic holly]

I would host but i just worry about my connection screwing over others and i dont like the idea of other people's experience suffering because of my connection

[cobalt patrol]

And I'll only intentionally teamkill for mucho comedy or if someone's really being a jerk (stolen equipment, not dropping it when told, otherwise being a problem)

Mucho comedy is usually when the entire team is goofing, like the "let's see if the Deadshot over penetrates Helldiver heads when they're hugging"

Spoiler: no, it just gives one of the huggers serious trauma. (The other is dead).

[cobalt patrol]

I just don't enjoy the feel of the quasar is part of the issue

[ionic holly]

Yeah TKing for comedy is fine in my books

but yeah i just
iunno, like said im more so frustrated i held out that long only for the mission to be lost to just
Ugh.

On the upside i think i look pretty good now

[split parcel]

Yeah the new armor is very cool. Once they fix the audio issue with it I'm going to be using it like nonstop lol

[ionic holly]

Audio issue?

[split parcel]

I believe there's a bug with the audio filter that's applied when you're in the "resuscitated zombie" state, where after you die for real there's a lot of crackling and popping in the game's audio, which persists through multiple deaths and I think worsens with more deaths

[ionic holly]

Oh! I had that happen like
one? time i thought my game's audio was bugging didnt realize defib caused it

[split parcel]

It was incredibly distracting to the point I had to reset the game

I believe that's the general consensus

[ionic holly]

Fair, like said ive admittedly only had it happen once out of like
20~ activations?

[split parcel]

Very envious then! Happens to me about every time I think

[ionic holly]

Honestly ive been finding other fascinating and exciting bugs from the zombie state

like how hulk melee seems to do little to no damage while a walking corpse compared to the "fuck you, die" of when you're not

(debatably might not be a bug? im unsure but it feels like one)

so does when i tech'd my hellbomb

I got killed/defibed the moment it went off so i just
ignored the blast, but also didnt get the usual limb break that you do while defibbed?

so a good solid 30~ seconds i was effectively immortal with no downsides beyond the timer

You also seem to get a LOT of knockback resistance? i noticed when interacting with a terminal i was actively being hit by shots and it didnt pull me out

(possibly related to the same reason hulk saws seem to do lacking damage? unsure)

Note specifically knockback/stagger, not knockdowns

you can still be floored

Sorry, rambling, i just like sharing things like this

[strange vine]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1m4m0nj/upgrade_to_tentacle_oc/

[odd arch]

on the other end of the teammate spectrum, me and my friend coined the term ablative teammates

we do absolutely nothing that could possibly aggravate them but they have a strong tendency to die a few times and apparently ragequit

resulting in a fresh join bringing more reinforcements

it doesn't really happen when I play solo

I think our combined gremlin aura just deals AoE

[trim breach]

I usually host, so if somebody's being a deliberately TKing asshole, I can just kick them

It hasn't happened often, but when it does it's pretty obvious

The ones that stuck out to me was the guy who spawns with the same support weapon I have.

Dies.

Respawns

Then immediately runs up to me, types 'drop it'

And shoots me before I can respond

[cobalt patrol]

They don't actually bring extra, the game just reduces/increases based on the total squad side

Honestly, I'm glad I ain't have half these experiences on D10

Though these days I'm often the roamer - you know a Penguin is on your team when there's a steady stream of objectives exploding and things being cross mapped by RR shots

[unreal merlin]

Much as I like some good team synergy, I too am a roamer at heart. Even in the early days it was me and another in the friends group who were "those idiots running off alone on the other side of the map getting up to no good"

[odd arch]

roaming is kinda too effective and I keep subconsciously slipping back into it

immovable object when I go the other way

[warm flint]

I use that thing like its a rifle, and when I forgot to take the peak physique armor it becomes into a friendly fire auto-aim gun

[weary granite]

Damn, Ministry of Science ripped off the Berserker's arms and made a turret out of it.

Teknologee

[warm flint]

a friend told me the justification for the new bot mechs is that they stole tech from the mechs left around on the battlefield

so now I'm waiting for them to make a 3rd mech that shoots a dozen of grenades

[stark ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jdAsT0ZB-M relevant

[quick plinth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1m529k9/another_lightpen_support_weapon/

[ionic holly]

you had me at rotary shotgun

[tight zephyr]

I think the Variable would be more of a stand-out if auto was light pen, volley was medium and full was heavy? What do you guys think?

[split parcel]

Would be way too good

You'd be filling pretty much every niche on a primary

[unreal merlin]

You certainly aren't the only one to want such a thing. I get why it doesn't do that, because it's not firing different bullets but just more at once and that doesn't really correlate to being more armor piercing. That being said I do feel that there's no reason to use Total besides the amusement of it.

[split parcel]

One shots Impalers and Harvesters in their weakspots

[warm flint]

does it still launch you if you're on the ground?

[split parcel]

If you're Prone it doesn't launch you or hurt you

[tight zephyr]

The role it fills right now is that it’s basically an assault rifle that can also double as a marksman rifle.

As far as I can tell anyway.

[unreal merlin]

Neat. I still wouldn't prefer to use it for that, but neat.

I haven't tried it myself but I felt that volley mode would be nice on bugs or squids. It's like a slug shotgun in ergonomics

[tight zephyr]

It kind of needs Peak Physique.

[unreal merlin]

The flexibility of "slug shotgun" that also can be a fairly precise marksman rifle and fairly accurate bullet hose is a decent role imo

[ionic holly]

Yeah honestly all it really needs is a minor ergo bump, outside of that it's got some really nice uses

it's probably gonna stick as my preferred primary for a while

[ionic holly]

also hulk backpacks

[cobalt patrol]

Wait where do Harvies have ap2? The eyeball?

[ionic holly]

Yep yep, i believe they changed the armour on the eye a ways back

[split parcel]

Eyeball yeah

[strange vine]

YES

also yeah Variable doesnt need better AP at all

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Bluesky · Jul 21, 2025, 12:53 AM

[quick plinth]

anyone else having the issue of the warp-pack showing up in the first person when using high mag scopes?

[split parcel]

Yeah, I think Arrowhead is aware of it

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/life-has-many-doors-ed-boy-ed-boy-many-doors-yes-gif-20774500

[ionic holly]

yeah its gonna be a struggle to want to use any armour but the defib

Even if im having a good run where im not dying that increased stim duration is nuts (i never ran med-kit so this is my first time actually experiencing it)

I think i also admittedly enjoy it more than bearer of the standard cause i feel like i can vary my loadout more wheras nearer more or less means i gotta bring a melee

[quick plinth]

in either case,

I'm really loving the warp pack

makes me feel like nightcrawler when paired with light armor

[supple siren]

I'm still like 200 medals from it, I die orz

somewhat mixed feelings on the gun, i was hoping for some more oomph from the Full Blast

they're both FUN but strangely same issue with both

also the 95% flame damage protection on the flame turret makes me think it was dying so quickly because it just kept shooting itself

thing has been a monster, that and the lower CD are so nice

[verbal summit]

While the warp pack is incredibly fun just incredibly fun

I cannot resist going melee n shield on bugs

[quick plinth]

for me its just the mobility and the juking potential, allowing whatever non backpack weapon i'm using to shine

[verbal summit]

Yeah

But it's so much fun to play melee n shield

I'd play melee n warp pack but I fear it's just not the same cool factor.

And I feel like it'd be less effective.

[unreal merlin]

Medkit armor will probably serve you more reliably tbh, especially if you run the stim booster. Having 6 stims that last approximately forever is a huge amount of survivability

[odd arch]

I'm usually in favour of things that prevent bad situations than mitigate them

but getting up after death to complete the objective every so often is hard to pass up

on sheer vibes grounds

[unreal merlin]

Note that I'm averse to heavy armor and actively tanking things (Light armor stealth gaming) so I do have biases here

I eagerly await the release of a 30% reduced detection + another passive mixed in for ideal solo stealth gaming

I don't use the scouting pings much these days because I'm simply gifted with The Sense and know where POIs and patrols are

[ionic holly]

Yeah but i don't like how any of the medic armour looks and there's only like... one? heavy medic

[odd arch]

medic armour's striking visuals clearly communicate your commitment to injecting every stim on the map into yourself

[ionic holly]

Oh trust me i am not the stim addict of my friends, i just prefer being durable

my friend hyper is the stim addict

[karmic prawn]

How'd they have time to die huffing that many stims?

[ionic holly]

Stim pistol, most of them ended up in other people

[stone bridge]

They didn't personally, that's at least partially from stim pistol rounds

77 stims is just not possible to do yourself

[verbal summit]

I had a dream I bought the super citizen edition thing n it came with 2k sc for some reason so I could finally buy the last 2 warbonds I still need

[verbal summit]

They just released some new cape.

I feel like the dots on it are some sort of code but I'm too lazy to figure anything out

Anyway finally something purple.

Tho it doesn't work too well for some cool praetorian guard fit but oh well

[weary granite]

Bruh, a PURPLE cape. Hell yeah.

It clashes like fuck but a new color!

Also I think we failed the MO

[warm flint]

the incendiary corps beat our asses yesterday

the shotgun & shield bots are insane

we spawned next to a jammer, and got sniped by the shotguns and mortar shots

[verbal summit]

We could've just abandoned trying to defend gaellivare when it was obviously not working and went for the planet that was attacking claorel instead of trying to defend claorel.

But idk I guess people didn't notice

We did take back gaellivare in time so it's not like we couldn't.

[cobalt patrol]

I think my personal best is 40+

[weary granite]

Ok, how does one warp into bunkers.

Like do I need to be a set distance?

[cobalt patrol]

Which implies i was Shoving a stim in every single frigging minute given a mission usually doesnt go over 40 minutes

[weary granite]

Bruh, did they stealth close off the mechanic? I can't warp into bunkers.

Ah ok, some map fuckery is the main problem.

[quick plinth]

basically, the only way to go for the stim high score is med armor, supply backpack, constantly looting PoIs for stims and always topping up with resups whenever possible

never stop stimmin

[harsh kayak]

Is autism also on this list?

[quick plinth]

I was contemplating making a joke with something to that effect

[harsh kayak]

It appears we share a braincell

[proud sundial]

just found out that the official name for the new city of remembrance is Gun

which is honestly amazing

[harsh kayak]

Yep

[dusty spruce]

it was put to community voting

Gun won by a landslide

[tight zephyr]

GUN! GUN! GUN!

[hollow plover]

BY THE WAY
DEMOCRACY ALWAYS WINS

[ionic holly]

GUN IS GOOD

[verbal summit]

I just dive into it n then warp

[unreal merlin]

The issue I have isn't getting into the bunkers, it's that the loot inside can't be interacted with.

[verbal summit]

Weir

Weird

[idle hollow]

have you tried the mech clip instead? that works for me

you walk up to the bunker door, face away from it with the mech and get out

[unreal merlin]

I have not because I do not use mechs outside of occasional Blitz missions with friends.

[stone bridge]

Time to start!

[unreal merlin]

Noooooo. I really do not jive with the long cooldown and un-reloadability of the weapons.

Not to mention the sourness of it being destroyed soon after calldown due to bad circumstances.

[stone bridge]

I mean, it's just to grab loot solo

[unreal merlin]

HMPH. I guess. But I'll still be disapproving of mechs about it. >:T

[weary granite]

Yeah that's what I had to do for certain bunkers

[verbal summit]

Yeah i just always dive nowadays. Too many times where it doesn't work normally

[weary granite]

Warp Pack is so good btw. I can get the benefits of Thicc Boi armor and still have decent ass speed.

[verbal summit]

Oh yeah actually didn't really think about that

[quick plinth]

or you slap it alongside light armor and you just turn into nightcrawler

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-it-gif-18812641

[agile fable]

welp. we're fucked.

[supple siren]

Half as many impalers as shriekers is nasty business

And the Levis, blah

[dusty spruce]

Ready for that to be basically all done but still have more than half the leviathans missing. Think Illuminate front players makes up, like, less than a tenth of the playerbase on average

[warm flint]

yeah

I convinced my group to play one defense mision on the squid front and it was miserable

I saw someone on youtube make a squad specifically to hunt down leviathans tho

[verbal summit]

Yeah I justfind illuminate to be miserable to play against

[hazy oriole]

(coping) i wonder could throwing down a rocket sentry and crossing my fingers be enough to kill a levi

[warm flint]

with the buggie and buddy-loading the recoiless rifle

[weary granite]

Excuse kill how many WAT?

Impalers are fucked enough but LEVIATHANS?

Then again, whale hunting is more for the vengeance and sport now

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk6d7pyQv-o

[hazy oriole]

impalers shouldn't be tooo bad, only problem i can see is they don't spawn super often but it's never too much of a problem to get em out the way when they do

[ionic holly]

Well time for me to suit up and lock in on the squid front

WITH A HAIL OF SPEARS

WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING

[weary granite]

That is exactly why I say Impalers are fucked. Their spawn rates are wack, while Leviathans are just Leviathans.

[warm flint]

when do impalers die? aren't they the weird knife tentacles on the bug front?

[graceful bluff]

My only problem with impalers is that the tentacles should insta fuck off when you blow their stupid head off

getting comboed by tentacles that have no head is the worst

[warm flint]

oh wait its the guys that burrow their head??

[graceful bluff]

yeah

[warm flint]

oooh I see

[graceful bluff]

but yeah 12 million impalers is just insane considering they spawn way less than flesh mobs yet we need almost double compared to them

[stone bridge]

she'll be right

[weary granite]

That and Leviathans are still some of the toughest to take down without a coordinated whale hunter group (and hope they don't target your ass)

[quick plinth]

two people running spear should work, just loading eachother whenever one runs out

but yeah it takes too much coordination for randoms to do

not to mention you'd need the other two people running security on something like a 10

[weary granite]

1 Mil Leviathans is honestly enough of a goal, any more than that is just asking too much.

[karmic prawn]

I haven't gone hunting for a while but the anti-tank emplacement was very solid against them

[cobalt patrol]

I'm pretty sure they do! At least, I've never had trouble when I've forcefed an impaler a rocket, and if I do it's because I missed the kill shot

I feel like impalers turn up pretty often on D10 bugs though, like a solid breach mid to late game is often spawning at least two

[dusty spruce]

Leviathans feel like the only enemy now where I feel like I dedicate an entire slot to 'yep, this is just for this one thing'

[odd arch]

used to be chargers for me, back when the game was Oops! All Chargers and they were harder to chip down

basically flip-flopping between obliterating chargers as my life's mission or pretending not to see them for the entire mission

I have a bug resentment from that to this day

[ionic holly]

ive speared atleast 40~ levis so far
gotta pump my numbers up

[split parcel]

I feel like I always try to bring an answer for everything on any given mission

I don't go into bot missions or Leviathan missions without anti tank emplacement

[graceful bluff]

Nah sometimes they stay around long enough to get an attack cycle off if it's already queued up, I just want them to insta splatter rather than having to dive back down

[lethal delta]

Yeah, if they just spawned, killing the bug doesn't make them despawn or stop them from attacking

[oblique storm]

https://youtu.be/MCnKKsx9P78?si=AR4CHyn0xHMefnVb

[cobalt patrol]

It's funny, way back when the flamethrower wrecked them, but these days it's less great. Esp since behemoths turned up everywhere

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, weird. I've never seen that happen!

[graceful bluff]

genuinly stopped playing bugs due to it

[glad marsh]

...it's so close to being an Urbie..

[tight zephyr]

Mech carcinization.

[tardy onyx]

It looks like it roars like a metal gear.

[weary granite]

Yeah it kinda reminds me of Metal Gear Rex

[graceful bluff]

Pug metal gear

[ionic holly]

Huh
if you extract while defibbed you dont bleedout like i expected

that or i got ludicrously lucky

[odd arch]

recovering your own corpse, how patriotic

[odd arch]

diving in my pod right after a stim
hey that hole is shaped like my team

[true seal]

I’m glad the brainrot is spreading

[calm sorrel]

just wait till they have to reload

[tall stone]

Throw a gatling turret behind them

[odd arch]

that's just cruel, at least CAS gives them a chance

[tall stone]

Then walk in front of the turret

[unreal merlin]

Anybody else ever get the feeling that the MG/Gatling sentries sometimes actually lock on to you and track you whilst firing? I know they probably don't, but it feels like they do.

Remember to put your sentries on elevated positions or to limit their range of fire with physical objects.

[supple siren]

It does sometimes feel like a personal choice

[blissful sparrow]

its probably cause of melee enemies trying to chase you, so as you evade, the enemy sprints after you and the gatling follows

[supple siren]

Especially now with the Laser Turret you can really see it Beaming Folks To Hell

[ionic holly]

I've ironically had the exact opposite experience recently, i was standing somewhat infront of a turret, it technically had a LOS over my head, and i was just shooting voteless thinking there was another diver behind me and im thinking for a moment "man that guy's aim is good he keeps shooting around me"

and then i look back and its a turret

[supple siren]

For me that's Gundog

Gundog is the Fifth Helldiver

[ionic holly]

Ive no personal love for sentires and likely never will, the closest to automated buddy ill take is arc dog
but in that moment it was kinda absurd at how well that turret was avoiding me

[odd arch]

MG sentry never leaves my loadout, no matter the faction or mission type

mg sentry my beloved

also gun dog for bots and squids

I'm particularly fond of gun dog in a bot stealth loadout, keeping it in the dock until I'm in a base and blowing things up

any troopers that can see me the dog can also see so they are already dead

leaving my hands free for everything else

[graceful bluff]

Warp pack into them

<@&1206091872716595200> More for the scrapheap https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1398394716772499549

[verbal summit]

I can't lie

I'd die

Even with a warp pack

I'd warp right into fire

[agile fable]

boing

[graceful bluff]

Walk up to them, kick them to stop them from firing, walk in front of them

[verbal summit]

@toxic socket

Oh didn't mean to ping on reply oops

[toxic socket]

Lmao

It really is me

[ionic holly]

Man, i actually kinda like the arc grenade?

Like, don't get me wrong this thing is a friendly fire incident waiting to happen with its unpredictable hops

but it's rather fun to use

(also caught it sometimes striking multiple heads on a fleshmob)

[unreal merlin]

it is pretty alright from my limited testing. I still prefer my gas nades tho

[weary granite]

If the arc grenade could stay in place it could essentially function like a mini tesla tower, which is actually pretty cool

[graceful bluff]

The arc grenade, is, funnily enough, the only grenade where real life grenade usage applies

always throw it from behind cover or when moving away from said area because no matter how far you throw you're within its effective range

[ionic holly]

I wouldnt say i do quite that, but uh
i make sure i bounce it over my head and back to enemies to be safe

[quick plinth]

I've used 2 arcs to kill a hulk in a pinch

I've sometimes managed to kill tanks but slapping one or two onto the turret

its very useful because it can keep heavier enemies in place-ish (since all the other stuns got wrecked)

while still providing some AOE anti group capabilities

[dusty spruce]

I need to get Cutting Edge and Force of Law solely so I can finally have a full Arc build
Though I feel like we need something like an orbital lighting strike to really bring it all together

like this in reverse
spoilers for Behemoth from the Leviathan book series

[quick plinth]

arc maxing is only to be done in force

if you friendlys aren't also doing it, friendly fire is just gonna be the word of the day

[tall stone]

Full squad Arcmaxxing is great into bugs

[dusty spruce]

I feel like the arc dog is prolly the only one that feels prone to just killing teammates at random. Arc Throwing while a squaddie is behind an enemy is 100% the user's own fault. Grenade doesn't seem random enough for me to be overly concerned.
not feeling as bad about it nowadays tho, seen enough napalm barrages dropped within the extraction radius

[warm flint]

orbital strikes can smell fear, if you believe firmly in democracy the explosion won't kill you

[split parcel]

Whenever my friends and I throw a questionably placed orbital we say "if you have no karmic debt the orbital will not harm you. If your heart is lighter than a feather than you will be completely unscathed."

[verbal summit]

Not really tbh only the arcdog is friendly fire problem

The rest just takes a team aware of you using arc and you aware of your teammates positions.

[ionic holly]

It's basically what i wanted out of the urchin

[graceful bluff]

I still want an orbital lightning barrage

would even have a niche arcing to bigger targets first(biles, tripods, factory walkers)

[ionic holly]

Speaking of orbital barrages, finally shed my eagle addiction a bit to try out orbital gatling barrage

damn it's fun

[warm flint]

I've tried to use that one but can't quite get the timing

[graceful bluff]

I just want some of the orbitals to get multiple charges

I love the single orbital shot but it being at 70 seconds while reloading two 500's being like 100 sec just doesn't make sense

[unreal merlin]

I do miss when orbital gatling didn't wander so much (at all)

[ionic holly]

Oh other thing ive been finding myself enjoying

the peacemaker of all things

[verbal summit]

One day I wanna jump on a leviathan and stick a flag in it

[strange vine]

ouppy pile
https://i.imgur.com/t2woszN.mp4

[ionic holly]

they're communing

[tight zephyr]

Oh hey that’s the Valley of the Shadow of Death they were taking about in the Lord’s Prayer.

[weary granite]

Why are they so many?

[agile fable]

Average tgirl meetup

[strange vine]

On claorell they increased factory strider spawns for the major order