Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[winter shuttle]

fair !

[idle hollow]

shield gen was good

[odd arch]

shield gen my beloved
but not for squids

[winter shuttle]

usefull when you have 5 FUCKING LEVIANTHS circling your extraction

[steady flame]

I played some HD2 with one of the GFs earlier and I made the mistake of also putting on Grinder 2 from RA3. Holy hell I had to stop after a while because my heart was being weird.

[winter shuttle]

like the fucking hungry hungry shark

jokes aside i'll be taking a break, been playing for 3 weeks straight of nothing but the calamari menace

[idle hollow]

the bot MO is still good

[winter shuttle]

post battle for super earth i'll post my own lil feedback on it

i need to drag my rookie friend to it XD

[odd arch]

my main problem rn is that super earth doesn't provide an interesting challenge

sure, there is a challenge

[winter shuttle]

but the challenge comes from fleash mobs being merged to walls XD

[odd arch]

but not something to carry an MO this long

[steady flame]

Also, someone in a YT comment suggested a very fun idea for a weapon or strategem: Concussive/explosive slug autoshotgun, maybe Breaker platform.

[winter shuttle]

wich i think is my main issue with super earth, the missions are fun, the biome is cool, but dragging it for a month is......ehhh

[idle hollow]

in what universe has this been a month

it's been a WEEK

[winter shuttle]

relevant

but also the update before

[steady flame]

Honestly, explosive autoshotgun would be fun. Just er, maybe a little dangerous.

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Also, someone in a YT comment suggested a very fun idea for a weapon or strategem: Concussive/explos…

[winter shuttle]

13 of may, and we will see if it drags on

[idle hollow]

okay that's still two weeks

[winter shuttle]

there we go

again, we shall see if this drags on for another 2

[idle hollow]

Bro.

we're at 24% fleet strength
the DSS is almost back
the order lasts until like, saturday

[fringe quiver]

There's civilians on super earth?

[idle hollow]

yes

[fringe quiver]

I thought there were only citizens

[idle hollow]

oh

ha

[winter shuttle]

no no

there are only VOTERS in super earth

ba dun tss

[fringe quiver]

Actually wait, is that joke too spicy?

[idle hollow]

i mean

i wouldn't think so

it's a starship troopers reference

[fringe quiver]

I mean it's on the nose for helldivers being a starship troopers reference

[supple siren]

Supreme York, Port Mercy, they're really burning things down

Though I'll admit I don't understand why maximum stims are lowered

'found this on the ground, but damn, alas'

if there was any meaningful way to cap off HP other than 'everyone take a stim pistol' i'd be stoked for it but just bleh

like i love the roleplay of the desperation and all but healing is the least fun way to go about it imo

'welp, my limb's just broken' dead

'welp, i'm on fire' dead

[tiny flume]

So, I feel like I'm missing something

How do you destroy those illuminate towers

Cos I've thrown 500KG bombs at it, they do nothing

I don't get a hellbomb option

[winter shuttle]

wich ones ?

[tiny flume]

And I don't see anything to interact with

[winter shuttle]

the obelisk ? or the neuron disruptors ?

[tiny flume]

Icon for it is a tower with 2 big spikes, I don't think it was a disruptor cos my stuff wasn't disrupted

[winter shuttle]

then hellbomb should be open

[supple siren]

yeah the location where it gives you the strategem might be a little wonky

run around a bit

[winter shuttle]

if not, its a disruptor and you need to find 4 lil nodes arround it

[supple siren]

but it should offer Hellbomb

had a friend legitimately ask 'how am i supposed to know where the disruptor is' the other day we've played a lot of squids and he does know, i swear

[tiny flume]

What do the nodes look like?

My stuff wasn't disrupted but that'd be good to know to

[supple siren]

Blue Glowing Rectangles attached to power stations n vending machines n whatall

should be four surrounding the disruptor

though i've had them randomly detonate and the disruptor turned off all on its own

think they got Stingrayed or something

[tall stone]

The Stingray can in fact get them.

[supple siren]

Stingray has no moral core and no IFF

but so cool

[winter shuttle]

retangular and stuck to walls

[blissful sparrow]

the tower does have vfx going in each direction where those nodes are, so when you are looking for them you can orient from the tower

[supple siren]

Oh nono I mean like across the whole mission, we were on our way and he got lost was just a very 'we headed to the impossibly giant beam of light overtaking the sky'

[agile fable]

unless the helldivers 2 community locks the fuck in, super earth will fall in mere hours.

[fringe quiver]

We will rebuild super earth 2 and it'll have a giant laser to destroy super earth 1 so we can defeat the illuminate menance

[steady flame]

We're up about 1.3%/h right now.

[agile fable]

KEEP IT UP FOR A FEW DAYS AND WE WILL NOT FALL

[azure pewter]

If the game will update and I could get more than half a game in without having stuff to do

[ionic holly]

Dont forget, DSS support will be here before days out too

Hopefully that means something.

[steady flame]

DSS STATUS: 98.4%

[ionic holly]

Imma be real mad if its support means nothing

[tight zephyr]

This kind of makes me not want to play.

[ionic holly]

Hellpod space optimization counters the ammo part, but stims are hard capped at 2

you'll be fine with how much supplies super earth has laying around

[steady flame]

Unless you bring a medic armour.

[ionic holly]

Then it's 4

[steady flame]

Yep.

[tight zephyr]

They’ll pry my Peak Physique out of my cold, dead hands.

[fringe quiver]

I always run medic armor

[ionic holly]

Then you'll be fine, just adjust your "when do i heal" gauge to factor in the halved resource

It's what i did and between it and the heavy MOC armour i had a blast for a good 4 hours

I will say my one complaint

when this is over, i'm gonna miss the super earth tileset so much

[tight zephyr]

It’s the ammo that annoys me.

[ionic holly]

Well like said HSO counters it still

so just make sure that's in the pipe and you'll still come in with full mags

that or i just got ludicrously lucky and was running multiple separate guns that were bugged and not being affected by the thing

[winter shuttle]

there we go someone made a proper one

with that said, sabaton works well as a moral raiser

[ionic holly]

We got two cities don't we? No reason to doom.

[odd arch]

launched into a mission so wrong that my PC shut down

amazing

[winter shuttle]

We are losing, i never said we whould go withouta fight

i'm trying to find the image

BUT REDDIT ILUDES ME

[steady flame]

Actually we're winning.

[winter shuttle]

there we go

[steady flame]

We're about 21h from lockdown on Shanghai.

[winter shuttle]

operation "dragon barge"

[steady flame]

TBH I thought HD2 was banned in China. Nope, instead they're our rally.

[winter shuttle]

a shared front agaist tyranny

[steady flame]

Apparently the squids like like, personally offended the Chinese playerbase or some shit and they did the Hot Fuzz shotgun meme.

[winter shuttle]

nah you see the calamari menace commited a classic blunder

they got into a land war in asia

[sage plume]

(completely optional wizard opinion: wouldn't calamari calamity rhyme more?)

[cobalt patrol]

Honestly super earth time things are going badly, here's napalm barrage is entirely on brand

[winter shuttle]

PROMOTE THIS WIZARD

HE IS NOW SUPER WIZARD

[wind arrow]

it's even funnier

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1krtfyw/the_chinese_community_is_going_nuts_right_now/

equality on-sea namechecking shanhgai meant it gets to remind people of several separate memes that died, including a big budget but bad scifi movie, and battlefield 4

that and don't get between any modern chinese person and their attempt at defending their country, especially virtual

because i am the way i am, here's some extra info for equality on-sea:
The chinese localization for Equality On-Sea is a pun on Yang King Pang, a branch for the Huangpu River. Used to be the very first river north of shanghai city gates, which was then used to divide the english settlement from the french settlement. which is now filled and became a major road in modern shanghai, which connects to the Bund, and is also host to one of shanghai's oldest and most busy highway.
the shanghainese term Yang King Pang has been used since concession days as a term to say something is inauthentic
most commonly attached to someone's english, calling out their poor english usage.
so it's kinda interesting to see its english name be Equality On-Sea (also the shang in shanghai CAN be translated to "on something", while the hai in shanghai means sea)

[calm sorrel]

I was wondering where the name Equality-on-Sea came from. It reminded me of tiny British tourist traps like Clacton-on-Sea, which doesn't make much sense for a mega city on the opposite side of the world

[ionic holly]

Ammo and stim capacity are stabilized

[steady flame]

URAAAAAAAAAAAA! :D

[hexed steeple]

we're so back?

[idle hollow]

Which city is this? E-O-S?

aka super shanghai

[steady flame]

Yep.

[idle hollow]

blessed

[ionic holly]

THE BOTDIVERS PAID OFF, THANK YOU LADS

[steady flame]

It's still climbing.

We've breached +6.2%/hr.

Current estimations is security within 4:10.

[cobalt patrol]

The funniest bit is that the illuminate thing is 7.8% and we're crushing that

That is it's draining 7.8% every hour, and we're just... Well. Crazy overwhelming that

[ionic holly]

Just had to buy the bot divers time

knew we were still in it

[cobalt patrol]

Equality on sea becoming this rallying point is just lovely

And very very very funny

[odd arch]

hmm, my PC shut down again at the conclusion of a game

started since I started using lossless upscaling

[winter shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UPI5Eqg81k

LETS FUCKING GO

[cobalt patrol]

Also the asthetics of the bot divers slamming into super earth having emergency repaired the DSS is great

[steady flame]

As soon as the MO finished, the Bot front "collapsed" as everyone returned to Earth.

[winter shuttle]

so to sum up

we went in there, kicked the bots door down, burned their couch, stole their beer cans, and went back home

[steady flame]

Yep. Also we're at +6.8%/hr.

[winter shuttle]

jesus

i mean

HOLY DEMOCRACY

[steady flame]

As soon as I say that, we slam up to +8%!

[tiny flume]

So when are the bots gonna take over the station

Given half the circuits in there must be bot based now

[winter shuttle]

the base was made with bot parts originaly

and doubt it, the DSS arc of the story is generally regarded as....not good

soo many major orders

[tiny flume]

That's why it'll be fun to blow it up

(I know they won't permanently cut a game system they spent time developing)

(Unless it's the TCS mission)

[odd arch]

lmao

[tiny flume]

Major order: Save the DSS or Lose the Ability to Measure your Windscreen Wiper

[steady flame]

BTW, we're at +9.1%/hr.

Current secure timer is 3:05.

[odd arch]

I came home just in time to play one bot match before the objective was completed

ngl my enjoyment was reignited by that refresher

I hope the squids get something wild (...and stop phasing through walls) for the final phase

[tiny flume]

Huh, I didn't get my reward for the bot major objective

I did a couple both missions the other day

I would love this game to be less janky for me

[cobalt patrol]

It goes out in batches

Mine always comes late because of my user name, I suspect you're in the same bag

[tiny flume]

We'll at least I'll get that reward probably

[odd arch]

my PC turned off on the reward screen so I hope I'm still eligible for the reward

[odd arch]

lmao

I just realized I'm able to run lossless upscaling for divers... on my integrated GPU

comically smooth performance here I come

[lethal delta]

Question, where is this visible?

Ah, found the app

NVM

[steady flame]

As an aside, Equality-On-Sea is about right for Shanghai. That circle about lines up with the rural town of Chumikan, in Russia.

izendale (ping for cn culture q) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) because i am the way i am, here's some extra info for equality on-sea:
The chinese localization for … 📎

Well it's hard to tell if it lines up exactly, because it's a giant circle, but y'know. :3

[graceful bluff]

cities also slowly move over time anyway

though that's a bit much

Though iirc super earth switched to super cities(heh) at some point, so probably moved most people into those, shanghai proper might not even exist anymore

[graceful bluff]

Actually yeah I took a proper look at the map and it's saying shanghais north of korea??

[wind arrow]

i was using the small indent as reference to circle

wait did i fucking circle shandong instead?

[daring pelican]

I think the flavor text says something about "this is the place where the great equality agreement was signed, where it was put into law that humanity is the most equal species in the entire galaxy"

[calm sorrel]

I get that that's where it's from in-universe, but why the on-sea part? It's equally likely to be called Equalitopia or somethin

[daring pelican]

Because it's on the sea

[north fiber]

And Shanghai can be translated as "On the Sea" or similar

[wind arrow]

on-sea
one of the translations to english Shang has is "on (something)"
translation of hai is sea
on-sea

[north fiber]

If you mean in character reason, no idea

The name pretty clearly is just devs referencing the IRL city just like with New York

[tiny flume]

Fast recon vehicle is very fun

If very janky

[hazy oriole]

which stratagem is this?

[graceful bluff]

Shandongs south of beijing..

[wind arrow]

thought i circled this dent:

[graceful bluff]

Like reds shandong roughly, greens shanghai roughly

[wind arrow]

HUH?

[graceful bluff]

northeast edge of the circles next to korea

[wind arrow]

i definitely misunderstood the scale

considering philippines to its SE

unless that's japan?

[graceful bluff]

that's very much japan yes :v

[wind arrow]

man, my geography is so bad

[keen zinc]

Geolgraphy

[glad marsh]

So we're in one of the "we're so back" spikes again huh lmao

[north fiber]

Just gotta last the week

and we're done

[winter shuttle]

easier said then done

[ionic holly]

Well with the eagle blockade lasting 6 days, unless they just artifaclly go "mmm no" kinda hard to lose

[oblique hazel]

If Equality on the Sea falls I could see that affecting some things

[idle hollow]

at this point i doubt it's going to fall

we have it at +6%/h

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1216607203558166528/1376656248392388648/Equality_over_sea.png?ex=6838c18a&is=6837700a&hm=13d4d29ee7ad36fdddc7b69f5c328d945425a89d3c71cab84d6690497f76df37&

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Let's get involved in a land war in super asia https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1377390015499206709

[strange vine]

FRV

[tiny flume]

And game crash as I was extracting 😦

[hexed steeple]

these DSS strafing runs are killing me more than the squids and my teammates combined

[sour falcon]

You’re not joking. Think a good 70% of my deaths today have been getting strafed out of nowhere

[trim breach]

Just saying

I love how when I bring an RR or AT emplacement the Leviathans play keep away for the entire round

When I bring something else, there are a half dozen of the fucking things with pinpoint accuracy from across the map

[dry canopy]

they have pinpoint accuracy. but only to explode Helldivers Specifically.

[cobalt patrol]

I perfectly managed to kill a harvy with an eagle strafe, and my teammate who was behind it.

Brought a tear to my eye it did.

[trim breach]

Especially considering that you now have 3 reinforcements per helldiver

Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give the Friendly Fire for Everybody buff to the DSS

[cobalt patrol]

Super Earth!*

*Who may actually be really bad at this

[tall stone]

Because normally, the Eagle Buff is great and a godsend. However, Super Earth is a bit different.

[cobalt patrol]

It does actually annoy me that you can't accurately predict the way eagle 1 is going to fly

Which isn't super an issue sometimes but I've had too many whiffed strafes because of not realizing there was a building behind

[trim breach]

Strafing runs are useless

Because the angle of attack shifts automatically to avoid buildings on super earth

And most of the time this means you miss what you were throwing the strategem at

And about one time in twenty you just straight up die because the eagle decided to come in at an angle around 180 degrees from where you threw it

[cobalt patrol]

They're not useless, I still get good work out of them

Just more frustrating than they normally are

[tall stone]

Super Earth has affected a lot of strats. For Example, in the narrow alleys, my gas strikes sometimes just whiff into a building and don't block the path I wanted them to.

[unreal merlin]

Napalm has been working alright. Still subject to the unpredictable angles but does very well if you do your diligence to maintain a safe distance.

[trim breach]

What pisses me off the most in these levels is votless and ESPECIALLY fleshmobs phasing through the ground to kill you

[cobalt patrol]

The flashmob phasing is really irritating. It's not been a huge issue, but when it is it sucks

[unreal merlin]

People bringing mortar sentries on defense missions has been problematic due to that, yeah.

[keen zinc]

It's a bigger issue on the static rocket defense mission

I can handle fleshmobs phasing on most missions but on the asset defense it can get highly annoying

Trying to hold the high ground above the gate and getting slapped from underground

[verbal summit]

Getting killed by eagle storm is just a luck issue

[keen zinc]

Not on Super Earth

Eagle Storm is fine on normal maps, but on Super Earth they have MUCH more unpredictable firing lanes

[trim breach]

On open maps you can easily have a whole operation with Eagle Storm and nobody getting killed by it

On Super Earth it's regularly happening to me two or three times per map

[hearty pier]

I wonder if it's the enemy phasing issue, so they get right on top of you for the eagle to target

[graceful bluff]

Shrimply parry the bullets

[odd arch]

kept happening to me on one of the generator defence maps with friendly mortars

they'd spawn under the landing pad and burrow through concrete under us

[odd arch]

I think urban legends will be my next purchase because I want to use the shield like a parry buckler btw

with a side of covering my team but if that happens to happen, nice

[winter shuttle]

IT KEEPS RISING

100% LETS GOOOO

[cobalt patrol]

I'm very curious if they'll have some kind ofs pecial event for making it to 100%

wouyldnt surprise me that hte gm would respond

just with a "hahaha, holy shit what the hell helldivers"

[hazy oriole]

EQUALITY ON SEA STANDS UNBROKEN

[winter shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljwUlY9WW1I

iluminate fleet power ? 13%

Equality on sea ? 97% liberation

Plans of total calamari calamity ? crushed

Democracy ? protected

squids ? sushimy in the open markets of Equality

[hazy oriole]

https://youtu.be/-9_eElOuMAo?si=fqBu8QTi0UT3uj1b

you know what ya gotta do, fellas

NA diver wishing y'all good hunting as i go to bed

[winter shuttle]

spoke too soon ! spoke too soon

[idle hollow]

bugdivers felt left out after the vog-sojoth bot divers rebuilt the DSS

[hexed steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1377581049105743892 <@&1206091872716595200> dive time

[steady flame]

Yeah, I'm taking some time off the Squids to go murder some Bugs, I just need the rotation for a bit.

[tiny flume]

Are shotguns still good for bugs?

[hexed steeple]

yeag

[stone bridge]

shotguns rule yeah

pretty much all of them are good but the pump actions have a shitload of stagger that helps a bunch against Predator Strains

The Halt doesn't but if you're an ace at swapping ammo types you can do one better and stun groups instead

[tiny flume]

I'm thinking like, shotgun, grenade pistol for nests, gas throwable, machine gun support

[stone bridge]

that's definitely good, just make sure you bring stratagems for chargers/bts

[hexed steeple]

gas grenade also busts nests btw

[wintry moat]

upgraded punisher my beloved

full choke clusters the shots very tightly

[tiny flume]

Ah good to know thanks

Laser and airstrike for chargers and such

[odd arch]

honestly full choke and duckbill invalidate the other two

when would you want large circular spread, or only a little choke

even with the less accuracy required argument... that hardly applies to videogames because a shot that was not (a major contribution to) a killshot is equal to a miss and also most enemies stand upright so you're probably not missing them vertically

not critique just thinking loud

[tall stone]

Breaker Incendiary for the large circular spread.

Get an entire group on fire.

[steady flame]

I wish the Spray & Pray was better agaisnt Overseers, but they just eat it. :(

[odd arch]

I use it and eruptor 50/50

I find the time to kill on them acceptable considering how well it does vs the rest

[steady flame]

Whereas I find them a major threat so..

[odd arch]

full choke?

[steady flame]

Half choke, not able to get full yet.

[odd arch]

it's a pretty major upgrade vs them

I haven't done the math but I feel it does a good bit more damage than regular breaker when all pellets hit

[steady flame]

16x15 vs 11x30, so yeah.

[cobalt patrol]

Aim center mass with half/full choke, and just hold down the trigger, it'll chunk em out pretty quick

[steady flame]

At the cost of like half the mag, sadly. :(

[cobalt patrol]

Eh, but then they're dead.

So i dont see it as an issue, perosnally 😛

what support weapon are you running?

[steady flame]

Typically RR?

[cobalt patrol]

Ahh, hmm, yeah, that aint gonna solve your problems then

Honestly, if you're running RR you're better iwht something like the deadeye or a similar thing that can delete overseers fast - Liberator, Lib Carbine, Purifier etc

[steady flame]

Mm.

Lib Pen probably chews them up though.

[cobalt patrol]

WWell, yeah, AP3 lets you get through their hats

[stone bridge]

Tenderizer flays em good

[cobalt patrol]

and it'll break the armor real fast

[odd arch]

I like MG sentries for them

[steady flame]

Tenderiser, really? That's a gun I always had wished was good, so maybe this is its time to shine.

[cobalt patrol]

Problem there is at least on high diff you will get swarmed

[odd arch]

okay I just like MG sentries in general

[steady flame]

Sure, but Tenderiser will also mulch Voteless.

[cobalt patrol]

It is a very, very good answer to overseers, just isnt perfectly reliable at high diff

[odd arch]

what's the green medium pen heavy rifle called

[cobalt patrol]

MNy answer is using and abusing good ol' AC

[wintry moat]

Diligence counter sniper

[odd arch]

nah assault rifle

[cobalt patrol]

because 2 flaks annhilates Overseers

it is very funny

[steady flame]

Adjudicator!

Adjudicator is great. :3

[odd arch]

o yeah adjudicator

[wintry moat]

Fishgun

[steady flame]

FishFAL you mean?

[cobalt patrol]

(You do need to land one flak shot direct, ideally the first one, but if you do a second one remotely near will send the overseer hurtling away)

It is incredibly amusing

[wintry moat]

Performs like a FAL too

[stone bridge]

Tenderizer is good, it's a Liberator with 50% more damage but less mag size

[odd arch]

I really like adjudicator for squids but eruptor and spray fit into ny loadouts better

[steady flame]

Apparently genuinely though, that weird of the Adjudicator above and behind the trigger grip is actually a FAL part.

[cobalt patrol]

Hilasriously, i really dont like the Tenderizer because... it's noise is very weak sounding ;.;

[steady flame]

At least according to Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in Leeds.

[ionic holly]

I mean that can be fixed if you want

[cobalt patrol]

I am aware this is stupid petty.

I aint modding the game

[odd arch]

it's a fun change of pace to go for headshots on voteless exclusively because I'd rather not spend the entire match reloading and looking for ammo

like yeah it's a con of the weapon

but I like it

and overseers don't enjoy being hit by it

[cobalt patrol]

Hoenstly, learning you can drop voteless in a single headshot with a lot of weapons is a big deal

[odd arch]

I wish first person was a bit better

very hard to pin down what is it about it but there's something I don't vibe with

[cobalt patrol]

Also i dont know what deteirmiens it, but cewrtian weapons like the Talon and Deadeye will over-pen Voteless

which you can use to drop multiple ones

[steady flame]

Also the Dominator does it.

[cobalt patrol]

I was going to say that werids me out becuase i thoguht the domiantor was epxlosive, but no, it's just the werid not bolter

(actual bolter when).

[steady flame]

That's the Suppressor from the first game.

The implication here being gib it back.

[cobalt patrol]

Gib Big Guns

[fringe quiver]

Game isn't built for first person, you can't move or drive vehicles in first person, only ads

[odd arch]

I mean aiming

[tall stone]

Eruptor says hello.

[fringe quiver]

Weapon sway and barrelstuffing feels unnatural when most fps games don't feature either

Theres also prob like

Specific things involving the sights vs barrel gooberness

And this doesnt get into the issues of like

Clipping or invisible walls

I treat it as more jank than a fallout game in first person

[strange vine]

theyve removed that, now in first person ADS mode the bullets come out the center of the sights

[odd arch]

and the flamer mains rejoiced

[fringe quiver]

Interesting

But prob more common IIRC

[odd arch]

hopefully if I play this game for a few more years I will be able to remember which gun is scythe and which is sickle

[tight zephyr]

The Sickle is the rapid fire one, the Scythe is the beam one, right?

[idle hollow]

oh look another review bomb this time for... checks notes people not understanding that the MO is to hold SUPER EARTH and not EoS?

[tight zephyr]

I don’t look at those.

[idle hollow]

neither do i but i saw someone posting about it elsewhere

[unreal merlin]

Correct

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> time for your daily land war in super asia

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1377660835551514781

[verbal summit]

Wrong way arpund

Ibthink

Scythe is like more of a weapon while sickle is more of a farming tool that's how I remember them

Sickle having generally been less than the scythe up till now with the modifications.

Actually I got it wrong lol

[tight zephyr]

They’re both farming tools.

[verbal summit]

Maybe when I'm old n in a retirement home ill get it right

Yeah but in my mind scythe is more weapony

[tight zephyr]

I remember it because the scythe is used for longer swings to cut grass, while a sickle is for shorter cuts.

[verbal summit]

Therefore I thought scythe was rhe "better" one aka the rapid fire

I'll just guess

Forever

[unreal merlin]

Scythe is the beam laser, sickle is the pulse laser.

[verbal summit]

If I lied n said its the other way around someone would believe me

[fringe quiver]

Scythe is the instrument farmers use to cut grass and a weapon cool badass goth girls use.

Sickle is one half of the USSR symbol

[fringe quiver]

Don't care, aura farming based

So based in Bleach they call everyone soul reapers but they dont even have to have a scythe to aura farm

Reaping aura

[quartz cloak]

I will explain the naming disparity, in Helldivers 1 the Scythe was the full-length assault rifle, while the sickle was a submachine laser

But in 2 they're both roughly AR-sized

[idle hollow]

"lowest damage" could never be me

[wind arrow]

i'm laughing crying

so the chinese front has more stories to tell

may 31th is a national holiday in china, partially to celebrate a poet who suicided in a river

chinese divers: everybody hold on, on the 31st we'll have a heroic spirit join us in the fight

he's china's very first helldiver, even

saint Qu Yuan will bless all Helldivers to the end of the war

but also dammit arrowhead why can't you just let us have that 100% progress on EOS

[tight zephyr]

Amazing.

[wind arrow]

note: i'm complaining about the control number asymptoting 100%, i just wanted it having one split moment of hitting it, not hitting it and never coming down

[calm sorrel]

I'm going to assume that actually showing "100% held" on any megacity would cause the spaghetti code to coil in on itself and break everything. Because if they chose to limit it, then that's just rude

[agile fable]

the spiral code is one fuck up away from shattering the war into bits as seen with the uberdiver incident and that one planet not existing

[glad marsh]

(prefacing this with the note that this is a genuine question and not an attempt to generate discourse) why are people review bombing the game again? :(

[wind arrow]

i can imagine the never reaching 100% part made a good amount of chinese players very very sour on how the narrative was run

well, likely not just chinese players but due to equality on-sea's representation, yeah chinese players might got hit the hardest

[supple siren]

I don't think it could hit 100% because there's still an active invasion happening, folks seem like they're being real wild about this >>;

[wind arrow]

well my argument for narratively possible for 100% for a split second would be the number is titled "control" and i interpreted it as "% human population on location's surface" so like it's probably possible to hit 100% for a split second

[supple siren]

And I'm saying it's very much not worth review bombing a game over

but gamers are by and large petulant children

[wind arrow]

it's not worth review bombing a game NOW over i agree, considering this is a repeated performance of arrowhead forcing a narrative, iirc (wasn't creek or a different event also arrowhead just forcing an outcome?)

i feel like it's still worth verbally criticizing since the narrative is a feature that's used to attract players

[fringe quiver]

I can think of many criticisms as far as like, bugs and the way the new map is.

Like primarily I can point to super earth and the lack of SC available spots as a shift towards wanting to force people to spend money on the game by slowing down the resource generation, especially when you consider it's already kinda pitiful by having the various PoI be a toss up for all the different types of resources available.

If there's any other reason then I'd just go back to what people were saying before.

"It's what they intended and the engine buggy"

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> it is time once again

[fringe quiver]

Like 0 chance they don't have a GM running the show cause nothing is sophisticated enough to have an engaging narrative without human involvement

Well that's not entirely true

Just not at this kind of LARP-y scale

And there's def points where it should happen cause it would be bad to make new content just to never use it

But if it goes past that then I can see people saying the narrative is a railroad

But fwiw people can just, choose not to engage with it and let things happen as they might

Would be funny af if they asked people to protect superearth and everyone just goes, "Nah" and they have to write a narrative surrounding that

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kyedc3/situation_explain_and_analysis_regarding_to_the/

[odd idol]

joel when i get you joel

[cobalt patrol]

IT is actively known they have a GM, that's who J.O.E.L is

[glad marsh]

Thank you Penguin

[cobalt patrol]

(Who is actually a guy named Joel, it's just a running joke he's some sort of dread program)

[fringe quiver]

I wish Joel did more funneh

[dry canopy]

I feel like a lot of people don't know what railroading is.

[fringe quiver]

Like just the bugs just use the illuminate warp tech to suddenly jump on earth in a weird clutch snipe

[cobalt patrol]

https://i.redd.it/srefo6r6pp3f1.png

The other thing is apprently the translation is bad

[fringe quiver]

I mean in this case the unfortunate truth is even if you know it's not railroading it does still kinda feel like it

[supple siren]

They also seem to think generating ingame content is instantaneous and like they could predict the insane things players do

[cobalt patrol]

So it looks like on the chinese end they could perfeclty defend

[dry canopy]

of course, helldivers is a fully democratic game, so the majority will always be successful!

whether they want to be or not.

[cobalt patrol]

Rather than the obvious "Oh, yeah, there's a GIANT FLEET sititng in orbit"

[fringe quiver]

Oof yeah, hopefully they can pull a string or something and like, fix this gracefully

Like For Honor had ideas about doing narrative stuff early on

But that idea fell so hard on it's face cause it's pvp and they locked customization options per faction (emblem shapes) + if a faction won they got more goodies so people naturally defaulted towards playing vikings

If you wanted a (enter circle brand icon) fan or wanted easy goodies you would choose vikings

Helldivers has a much better grip on it

[winter shuttle]

hmm let me put it this way, we can only liberate planets when major orders tell us too, and that feels.....bad

mostly becuse folks have their own units, working together, so it feels cheap when "oh wait we gotta wait for Joel to decide wich planet we are going to do"

[fringe quiver]

Is that actually true? I thought it just depended on if something was open?

[supple siren]

this is kind of how armies work

[winter shuttle]

it is and isnt

[fringe quiver]

If that's true than that is technically railroading

[winter shuttle]

Hi ! this is a game.

[fringe quiver]

Cause it prevents players having agency of offensive based options

[supple siren]

yes i know but like

the major orders are diegetic too

[winter shuttle]

but the liberation how it works currently you need close to 10k players in a world to make a diference and thats if the world has a low lberation

[supple siren]

we're a bunch of space dipshits they release the leashes on when they want to obliterate things

[winter shuttle]

it is something that got brought up a lot, specific with the recent bugdivers drama in the middle of the war

[supple siren]

if it was 100% decided on Player Engagement basically nothing would happen because that's chaos

[karmic prawn]

Arrowhead can certainly make it very hard to liberate planets by setting a high resistance percentage, but the idea is you need people to make a concerted push?

[winter shuttle]

except stuff happens

[karmic prawn]

If they didn't have that, it'd be a mess

[winter shuttle]

its more of you needing a insane ammount of players

[fringe quiver]

There's ways to get around that though tbf

[cobalt patrol]

The main issue with Liberation/Defence is it cares about total playerbase across the entire game

[karmic prawn]

Remember the bug where the automaton resistance got set to 0%?

[cobalt patrol]

which doesnt make a whole lot of sense

[winter shuttle]

and folks feel like this is unfair and railroady

[fringe quiver]

Yeah was gonna say

If you have it based on entire player base it needs to be directed

[cobalt patrol]

Why are bots harder to beat becuase 70,000 people are slaying bugs?

If it was per faction, then things would be a lot smoother

[fringe quiver]

But if it's based on companies/squads where people can sign up for one faction they want to fight and swap freely

[cobalt patrol]

(the other issue is there's no good in game way to help co-ordinate players)

[winter shuttle]

wich i do agree, but at the same time i feel like helldivers is a game still in early development, and that its full fuction liberation system isnt fully "there" yet

[cobalt patrol]

(Even just a "The helldivers think we should do X vote for each front would help a lot)

[fringe quiver]

Or heck just auto calculate that based on missions/planets/sectors they're in it could work more smoothlt

[winter shuttle]

by that i mean, a system that...waht penguin said

some folks don't wana fight a specific enemy type for what ever reason

[supple siren]

allowing the people to make choices is what keeps getting the DSS blown apart

[fringe quiver]

Could tie this into accepting missions too

[winter shuttle]

some don't wana fight in a certain biome

[fringe quiver]

Maybe so but also why can't they make a choice to build other things like DSS

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway

[winter shuttle]

and thus without joel giving the major orders the game kinda stales

[cobalt patrol]

Dive Propsperity City.

[winter shuttle]

again something arrowhead is aware and wanting to change

[karmic prawn]

Players also keep outright ignoring options like "attack the low resistance planet the invasion is coming from to eliminate the attack and start a liberation campaign"

[cobalt patrol]

That's partially becuase players dont read, but also partially because how this works is not very clear in game (Though i dont know how you make it clearer, to be honest)

[karmic prawn]

They started even putting in strategic advisories

[dry canopy]

isn't democracy wonderful?

[fringe quiver]

Clear readout screens in dead time when loading into/out of matches

Give a reward for reading and doing things based on that info as a secondary/tertiary reward system, has to be done in a way that influencers give this info to their viewers and then they do it without having to 100% read it themselves

Has to be worth it tho

[supple siren]

10 supercredits for successfully completing a survey about the information you just read

[fringe quiver]

DSS thingy giant space rock I cant interact with doesn't mean much.

[fringe quiver]

That but would need to be tied to the action, not something that gives bad data

[winter shuttle]

again i whould have 3 diferent commands, one for each opfor faction

[fringe quiver]

(EG attacking this planet gives X rewards)

[winter shuttle]

but yes the current system has some big flaws

[fringe quiver]

And like, real-time per mission rewards

Super earth gives me less than all other missions when I don't include the major order due to the PoI being less

[supple siren]

That's a real complaint

But I still feel like this game is leagues beyond most similar distributions

I put

hundreds

into Sea of Thieves

[fringe quiver]

Oh no for sure

[supple siren]

hours

and made like maybe 5$ from the ingame currency

maybe

i got 200 supercredits yesterday

[fringe quiver]

Oh that

I....don't want to do that necessarily

Because in that case I made the most money off Lost Ark

[supple siren]

is that not the mission rewards though

like they tend to give you a bit of everything

[fringe quiver]

Because that game has pay to grind built in and once you reach the end you get to sell the pay to grind for buy able cosmetics

I think Warframe can cause the same

Technically R6S as well

At this point

[supple siren]

I was just trying to say it doesn't feel like Helldivers is starving us

'cept that Super Earth has limited stuff

[fringe quiver]

Oh for that

[supple siren]

but there's still every other planet that exists

[fringe quiver]

Yeah 100%

Super Earth the main pain is like

Needing more enemy units and build diversity

[supple siren]

See I feel the new units are a pretty great patch for that

If anything honestly Bots are feeling very

Samey

Railgun + Any Primary solves literally every problem

[fringe quiver]

Bots I like but I admit I'm a solo player

So I can do more against the bots with less things

Which means more free goofy times

Illuminates I need like

[supple siren]

This makes sense, illuminate seems like a lot for solo

especially all city-based, stuff is just in every damn direction

[fringe quiver]

Guard dog or MG or high fire rate gun, as well as some random explosive thinf that can take out harvesters + ships + something for fleshmobs

Plus eagle stuff just kinda eh for illuminate

I get way more mileage with orbital drops

[supple siren]

Any offensive strat other than like Napalm Eagle and Orbital Gas

I've had a real struggle with into illuminate

[fringe quiver]

Oh also

[supple siren]

Most of them simply don't care

[fringe quiver]

Bugs and bots I can destroy objectives from the other side of the map

[supple siren]

( i kind of feel like that's honestly too true for bots these days )

[fringe quiver]

Can kinda do it to ships at specific angles but nothing else

[supple siren]

one hill and an antitank emplacement

and you win the whole mission

I'm honestly thankful when stuff needs you to run in and bash some code

Which can be fun, feels sort of.. Sniper Elite

pleasant hike up a mountain to settle in

[fringe quiver]

Oh also

You can't solo every mission type against illuminate

Due to generator defense missions

[terse shoal]

<@&1206091872716595200> those mfs need help

[karmic prawn]

It's very unfortunate about the Super President but I'm glad the Ministry of Defence has seized the fallen reins of power

Can't leave those flapping about

[oblique hazel]

so honorable of him to stand in defense of his own bunker

[karmic prawn]

I just hope the bunker is safe

[crystal badger]

Does this mean we're getting an election?

[azure pewter]

To replace our perfectly good military junta?

[crystal badger]

It wouldn't be very democratic to not have a president. This November: vote for your favorite figurehead!

[winter shuttle]

wait prosperity fell ?

wait a minute

checks president wounds

hey these are bullet wo--

and nobody saw matheus ever again

[sweet surge]

Hmm

Definitely not a convenient death

[supple siren]

This is perhaps a mismanaged bit of Democracy

[weary granite]

I can't even participate because my PC is complaining. All those medals gooone

[graceful bluff]

I need to farm super credits for the newest warbond but super earth

[scarlet meadow]

I killed the President

It was me

[graceful bluff]

I'm just waiting for the super president to metal wolf chaos the squids

[keen zinc]

Wait we lost the capital?

Lmao

[north fiber]

we're actually retaking it

[kind cloud]

Is there only 1 diver in equality on sea rn?

[stone bridge]

It's a bug

[sharp crater]

the most powerful diver in existence

[supple siren]

Their Souls Are United

[unreal merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09y83XJJJU

[weary granite]

Also what the fuck is this review bombing?

What the hell happened while I was suffering to get my PC to come back online?

[unreal merlin]

Illuminates keep attacking Super Earth because their fleet isn't yet depleted

Players: Pikachuface.jpg```
Equality-on-Sea doesn't go to 100% liberation and is stuck at like 99%. This is because the squids are still attacking it and won't stop until the Great Host is defeated. Due to translation from english to chinese, there appears to be a misunderstanding that they were supposed to get it to 100% and then it would be saved, but because this is not how the mechanic works they feel cheated and railroaded by the GM(s).

Sweet liberty these people are helpless.```

[wind arrow]

to counter the quote box:
the translation mistake literally makes it a case of arrowhead not clearly communicating to "us"

[stone bridge]

It's not really their fault though, and it doesn't justify review bombing

[wind arrow]

ultimately nobody but tower of babel builder's (if the stories are to be believed) fault but yeah

ok so the game's narrative is a selling point, i don't remember it being clearly communicated how railroady it would be, and people being mad at being railroaded, especially new people hearing of this narrative, joined without having the time to figure out the underlying mechanics, is understandable (review bombing i would generally be against unless it's actual dev/publisher fuckup)

[stone bridge]

At what point was it railroaded, exactly?

[unreal merlin]

as best I can tell, the gist is that the chinese playerbase thought they could fully rout the squids out of EoS and made it their mission to do so, despite that fundamentally not being possible because of linguistic inconsistency

[wind arrow]

copying homework: #1204832579287519292 message

so that translation mistake made chinese-only readers believe the progression is towards no longer needing to defend EOS

and when it is asymptoting 100%, they get the impression this is railroaded

cause "alright so you're saying no matter how hard we try, we will never reach 100%"

[stone bridge]

I think that's a fundamental misunderstanding of railroading

[wind arrow]

thx penguin for the original post

[cobalt patrol]

It appears to be a perception issue. Things are volatile for various reasons, good and ill

[unreal merlin]

which is true but for an entirely different reason besides railroading gms trying to force the defense of super earth to follow a plot

you can't reach 100% defense because it's still actively being attacked by the squids and no amount of defending one city will change that until the whole Great Host is defeated

[cobalt patrol]

I can say from data mines that this absolutely hasn't been railroaded - mild spoilers here, but there are videos in the files for both ||winning and loosing|| with divergent results

[wind arrow]

honestly i'm still not understanding why the gauge can never display a 100% for even a fraction of a second

[cobalt patrol]

And they were talking about it in an interview the other day about how this does mean some work gets vaulted

[supple siren]

Because The Squids Are Still Here Super Earth Is Not Safe, 100% means you can look in every direction and not see a towering nightmare fortress

[wind arrow]

like, reach 100% then get pushed back is a different perception of never reaching 100%

[cobalt patrol]

See also the gas mine hilarity

We tried so hard to avoid them ;.;

[wind arrow]

ok so what's the definition of "held' in this game anyway?

cause i thought it's just a case of, narratively, zero squid on the surface of the megacity

even for a fraction of a second, that felt possible

[weary granite]

Ala bruh, so miscommunication at its finest absolutely fucking with everybody again

[wind arrow]

hoestly "hold" is way easier for me to understand from a "don't let them in" angle

[cobalt patrol]

Also mine lols in game earlier:

Teammate dies to one of my mines
Me: "please do not hug the mines"
Teammate #2: "why not?"
Me: "no matter what they say, they can't love you"
Teammate #2: "Damn. ;.;"
2 minutes later, teammate two is immolated by a mine and degenerates into laughter

[wind arrow]

lmao

also man this one is legit arrowhead's fault: why am i punished for being good at completing my strategem inputs fast

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372311399795265698/1377807875656646767/4C9E4F1.MP4?ex=683a4f13&is=6838fd93&hm=541b853868cc57c9d8f427ca26038ef38633665c4b09f3c3501a62ad072d50ad&

[unreal merlin]

yeah THAT bug can go straight to hell for fumbling with my muscle memory

[cobalt patrol]

Gods I cannot wait for that to be fixed

I'm 100% reliant on brute force imprinting stuff in my muscle memory because of my fine motorskill issues

[unreal merlin]

teammate dies
LEFT CLICK
shoots a recoilles rifle into the sidewalk
"WHAT!?"

[wind arrow]

yeah and i've been running eruptor these days too

so extra can't afford the error

[winter shuttle]

by the companion app victory in 6 hours

helldivers if tomorrow super earth is secured it was a honor to fight beside all of you

[tight zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204949063175249930/1377363973757866004/Equality_on_Sea.mp4?ex=683a0329&is=6838b1a9&hm=92fef64078840119e535c9e43c9be720eb8d079f948a5a846fd33a4e1bf02bf7&

[weary granite]

Ayo I don't see the Illuminate Fleet Strength anymore

Is it done?

[oblique hazel]

not quite, but we're very close

speaking of, anyone up for some dives? <@&1206091872716595200>

[wind arrow]

hol' up, did they move the DSS?

[oblique hazel]

...no?

[wind arrow]

i misattributed the free space optimization boost to DSS

odd, previous run didn't have free space optimization, current one does

[winter shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS-Ople7ICQ

[ripe cloud]

I really like the field chemist armor. A shame the poison warband is shit

(I'll probably buy it any way)

[odd arch]

gas grenades are great and gas dog is pretty solid

the steriliser is eh?

I don't remember what the booster was but if I don't remember it was probably the usual "this is not hellpod/vitality/stamina, get out of my sight"

[ripe cloud]

It doesn’t have one

[odd arch]

then at least it's not disappointing

[ripe cloud]

But okay i'll give it a try for the doggo and nadeq

All i'll buy thz one with thz flechette/stun shotgun

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge Approves THis Post

also pfft, some idiot in my game was bieng gross so i used the kick emote

and punted them straight into one of my mines

[winter shuttle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kyzht6/squrant_the_invasion_of_super_earth_was/

this had me giggling

[odd arch]

gas resistant armour is a bit of a scam imo because gas has no effects on divers other than damage, and the damage never comes without warning (unlike getting a cookout haircut from a teammate or clipping your own foot with the flamer) and can be very comfortably outpaced with stims

if you wear it you're planning to willingly venture into gas

[ripe cloud]

Well yess but i choose my armor for drip only

[cobalt patrol]

The "Rants from the player base of XYZ" factions are always somewhat amusing.

[odd arch]

but yeah I love my gas dog

it's like putting the game on pause while it has ammo

closest thing to a stun dog

gas nades are an objectively better use of their slot than backpack (esp since they close spawners) but who's a good doggy

"value in slot" is my main problem with sterilizer because while yeah I'm often running utility support slot picks, they still have a class of enemies they instantly solve

I'd rather take another form of gas than give up all firepower from the support slot...

[winter shuttle]

tho minor nitpick of mine

wish prosperity had a special mission type

[idle hollow]

mfw I might miss the end of the invasion

I’m having a day out

[odd arch]

they should do something like vastly shorter orbital cooldowns for the last hours

give them farewell fireworks

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> 2 divers needed to dive hells

[cobalt patrol]

I am, alas, lying down but have fun! Don't shoot any presidents

[stone bridge]

i will

[oblique hazel]

I can get on for one mission

[hexed steeple]

we got one slot open now

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> one slot open 2 dive

[winter shuttle]

VICTORY

[wintry moat]

We got 'em

[cobalt patrol]

Wooo

[ripe cloud]

oh no i thought that the suyper store was going to rotate back to the field chemist page

[tight zephyr]

I love when we win an MO that we were clearly supposed to lose.

[ionic holly]

I wouldnt say that, they had news broadcast both for a win/lose outcome

[tight zephyr]

An MO we were expected to lose, then.

They always prepare for both scenarios.

[hexed steeple]

we were never really in any danger if you ask me

[sour falcon]

It is something I’d love to see them show eventually, like what do they do if we lose SE?

Showing off whatever they had planned for that would be neat

[royal lantern]

Honestly I sort of wish we had lost, though I appreciate that they seem to have left it possible that it could have gone either way

Rather than how it was clear when the Bots showed back up or when the Illuminate fleet showed up that we were meant to lose a lot before stabilizing

[ionic holly]

I meannnn

datamined info so spoiling

||We would've pulled out and found another planet to rebuild on and make into super earth, basically like whats done in HD1 to my understanding||

[wintry moat]

Correct, ||that's how it was done in HD1||

[ionic holly]

new president just dropped

[hexed steeple]

at least super earth has fast elections

[burnt vapor]

You could say they have super fast elections

[ionic holly]

Yknow, i love the combat axe and its unlikely to leave my secondary slot while im running bearer of the standard armour but man

i really wish you could flip it and use the pick as a medium pen weapon

[steady flame]

That would be nice, yeah.

[ionic holly]

And probably change its swings to vertical, that way it has-

i just want the darktide shovel.

[tiny flume]

https://tenor.com/view/we-did-it-we-saved-the-city-patrick-spongebob-spongebob-fire-gif-5741450845209850442

[ionic holly]

the variant that can shift into a pick form

[undone veldt]

So now that super earth is protected, what do y’all think they’re gonna do with the super city maps?

Maybe just convert more planets into super cities?

Also I just fully read the news on the president dying

He died in his bunker with only a pistol on him

Welp

[winter shuttle]

honestly i whould rework the liberation system with the following

• each sector now has a capital world

• helldivers cant cross to the next sector if the sector capital is under control of the enemy

that way we get to see the capital tile sets more ofthen

[odd arch]

a last stand fitting super earth's finest 🙂‍↕️

[undone veldt]

True true

[wintry moat]

Not so much a leak anymore, but super cities will be part of other planets

[undone veldt]

Cool

Hope non illuminate factions too

[wintry moat]

Indeed

Automaton colony maps are amazing, imagine a factory strider convoy walking through the streets

[odd arch]

my body is not ready for the supercity bot meatgrinder

[winter shuttle]

hell yes !

[tiny flume]

I think bug ones will be very fun

Just like swarms of them crawling all over

It'd be really cool if they could like, stick to the buildings and drop down

[supple siren]

I could see some sort of towering Megahive in the Gloom, gotta get to each side and knock out the bug holes or something

but their building pathing does tend to get.. odd

[odd arch]

welcome back EDF

[tight zephyr]

I can’t wait to fight bots in a mega city.

It’d be neat if they repurposed the maps with a reskin to portray Cyberstan.

[wintry moat]

As far as I can see, ||Cyberstan has the same designation as SE and should include an Automaton variant.||

[odd arch]

it'd be interesting to see what the automatons get up to when not at war because the cyborgs didn't build them to destroy super earth, they built them to thrive

[wintry moat]

Automatons in the mega city biome. Spoilers, obviously:

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBVJJH1DUE||

[odd arch]

I hope SEAF returns as some kind of stratagem

they mostly annoyed me on earth because they were stupid but like, resources-efficient AI and city maps don't play well together

also squids are kinda optimized to mulch SEAF no matter how much we try to protect them, both in being tricky for SEAF to deal with and incentivizing loadouts/playstyles where SEAF blows up in the background

[tiny flume]

They'll probably show up as an effect on city planets I imagine?

[graceful bluff]

I could see them showing up rarely in regular missions now too as small holdouts

[tiny flume]

Would be cool if they were present for the escourt civilians one

[tight zephyr]

It’s stupid how I get excited whenever I hear the SEAF troopers say shit like “IT’S THE HELLDIVERS!”

[ionic holly]

I had to pass a real ass willpower check when one of them shot my leg and broke it

i love the guys but wooo boy that tested me

I didn't shoot them obviously, for every love tap like that you have an EAT trooper killing a fleshmob

[tight zephyr]

They just get overexcited.

They’re less deliberately murderous than a Gatling sentry.

[ionic holly]

Oh yeah no i don't hold it against them just
M a n.

[tight zephyr]

I had one perfectly hit me center mass with an EAT because I rounded a corner right as they were firing at a fleshmob.

[calm sorrel]

you hit the EAT with your body

[tight zephyr]

Perfectly cut off scream.

[tall stone]

I loved having the SEAF.

They performed well enough.

The only real "That was rather stupid of you" is when they came rushing into support me just as I was setting off a Hellbomb.

There must have also been some Civilians in that blast radius, because I got labeled a traitor after the Hellbomb went off.

[odd arch]

I somehow never got traitored despite my complete disregard for civilians

I started out trying to save them but quickly went "ok if you're THAT determined to run directly towards the illuminate..."

[tall stone]

You have to kill a lot in one go to get Traitor.

[dry canopy]

I saw a civilian getting on an illuminate ship, presumably to sabotage it. I hope they survived, we need that kind of patriotism!

[agile fable]

if they did, they'll make for a perfect helldiver.

[strange vine]

I think theyll get mulched by the bots as well, while they could handle the troopers fairly alright the Devastators have AV3 and they only have liberators

Let alone the Heavy Devastators

[odd arch]

at least we can keep them away and in cover for bots

[hexed steeple]

i hope they teach to aim for the waist in seaf training

[hazy oriole]

aw shit, now what do we do fellas

[tiny flume]

Democracy

Also quadruple C-1 forms

[calm sorrel]

pick a planet and liberate! Preferably one that puts some space between us and them

[winter shuttle]

sadly, only on major op

right now ? farm SC, medals, your free to fight what you want

[odd arch]

I was going to dive after a nap but as soon as I started thinking about getting up a cat came to cuddle 😔

[winter shuttle]

or even bether

enjoy the art !

[odd arch]

super earth architecture is really built different if anything'd still standing after our liberation campaign

forget the damage the squids did, we rooted them out EDF style

[winter shuttle]

the sabaton songs pushed me to keep playing

[steady flame]

Oh? Which ones?

Also fun fact: That's the DP-11 Champion of the People set. For.. Those who don't recognise it on first sight like me. ><

matheus ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) enjoy the art ! 📎

[barren iron]

if there's a sabaton song to listen to while defending super earth it's this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TjXanLjpTU

[quartz cloak]

Well, until an hour ago you'd be right https://youtu.be/YnOpJaep6tk

[barren iron]

aint sabaton!

[tall stone]

I put on pop love songs for my Illuminate killing! 😄

[winter shuttle]

HE DID IT

i just saw it

[graceful bluff]

I hate how they have to say no ai nowadays

[odd arch]

"I'm dying by the sword" said as a brag goes surprisingly hard in between all the cheesy lines

[winter shuttle]

speaking of the sword is really good agaist the bugs

[ripe iron]

<@&1206091872716595200> ayo

[keen zinc]

Ollo

[ripe iron]

space for 1 more, doing bugs

[kind cloud]

https://youtu.be/ygkheoakYLs?si=H2XmhtmRVT-AcMGt

[ripe iron]

We have one more space

<@&1206091872716595200> 2 slots open

1 slot

[wintry moat]

Lore accurate representation of what went down during the battle for Super Earth

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Time for bug
https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1378457317108088973

[sharp crater]

tfw you've been trying to launch the missile for 55 years

[weary granite]

Must be an important missile.

[sharp crater]

(that's the elapsed time since Jan 1 1970, the Unix epoch.)

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> one more for bugs

[idle hollow]

i wonder what we're doing next

[daring pelican]

Kill 1,000,000,000 bots for raw materials to rebuild super earth.

[tight zephyr]

I bet it'll be a split between killing certain numbers of bots and bugs. One for metal, one for oil.

[odd arch]

the set was originally black, I believe

[cobalt patrol]

Still is! In theory

[odd arch]

I changed my mind on the sterilizer after running it more as a joke

it's definitely worth the support slot, especially with the current roster of other slots

[unreal merlin]

Sterilizer is (was) excellent into the squids for its ability to neutralize fleshmobs instantly (they immediately swerve into a wall instead of chasing you). It's still good overall for similar reasons though bugs and bots can be pretty volatile at such close ranges.

It's not going to be winning any DPS races but it's not nothing and the crowd control can be invaluable in a team that actually capitalizes on it.

[tight zephyr]

Oh yeah, gas rules. That’s why it’s my favorite grenade type.

[split parcel]

that's gonna be the warbond i get once i eventually get super credits

[dry canopy]

the sterilizer is mostly bad vs bugs and bots because bots are too far away and bugs are often too close, but squids it's basically perfect.

though I'd use the arc thrower over it in basically any environment that's not super earth.

[unreal merlin]

frustratingly, gas doesn't seem to affect overseers very much. when it does, it takes forever for confusion to kick in.

[dry canopy]

it sort of affects them but largely I just see ground overseers like. go into 'charge at you and melee' mode

[odd arch]

I've found it gas in general excellent vs bugs

and steriliser's appeal compared to other sources of gas is that it's precise, instantly available and practically infinite

[odd arch]

for bots I really like gas dog btw

my bot playstyle is mostly to sneak up close to them and THEN pull out the BFG

always worked great with gundog to cover my back, gas dog is a sidegrade of not preventing drops as reliably but getting even hulks off my ass

[verbal summit]

Ever since hover pack I haven't been able to use anything else until I started messing around with ballistic shield

But for bots I guess I'm a jet trooper

[cobalt patrol]

My bot solution is gas grenades and running away while making zoidberg noises. Works really well!

Though I am also using Deadeye + RR so my ambush potential is through the roof.

And the good ol Rocket Sentry/Shield Generator combo. (Extra fun, use this like a deployable 5th teammate so you can flank the bots while they're distracted, works a treat)

[ionic holly]

Mine is just popping heads with a tenderizer

who needs med pen when their heads cracks in 1-2 shots?

[sour falcon]

All well and good until you get bum rushed by 10 berserkers. This is why lib pen is life.

[stone bridge]

berserkers have no medium armour

just high HP

[stone bridge]

Hot take: the baseline Diligence is gassed against bots, especially with weapon customisation

One shotting Devastators in the head with a gun that's shockingly agile for being a DMR is big

[strange vine]

they do have light armor on their chest which reduces light pen damage by 65%

[stone bridge]

Yeah but that's only their upper torso area

Very easy to just shoot the stomach instead

[keen zinc]

Rule for bots is if you've got Gamer Aim, shoot the head, if you're normal shoot the belly

[split parcel]

You were right! proud owner of a hatchet

[odd arch]

how's the hatchet compared to stun lance?

...or the saber or stun baton I guess

but I kinda default to stun lance as a melee weapon that exists

[split parcel]

i have no idea, i'm still pretty new

i like it with the viper commando armor for double damage

[odd arch]

I've heard the hatchet staggers well so I might get it for my funny bug loadout

[oblique storm]

I use the sword because I am the very model of a modern major general

[split parcel]

i also got the ballistic shield, i'm gonna be viking

axe and shield baby lets go'

[tight zephyr]

That's a fun as hell combo.

[verbal summit]

We did a praetorian guard thing with ballistic shields n the melee lance thing

[winter shuttle]

SPARTANS ! WE HOLD THE LINE

poke poke poke poke

[odd arch]

I was holding a grenade in the group photo for some reason

my guy kept switching to it on his own all the time that match

make it canon: thermite club

[winter shuttle]

i been using the saber agaist the bugs and it feels like this

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-paul-verhoeven-robert-heinlein-only-good-bug-is-a-dead-bug-its-afraid-gif-23642454

[tight zephyr]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13504230821055667100/7EA12109DD6659C944B9D986A911025BE012A364/

This was a few months ago, right after the hatchet dropped.

[trim breach]

I'm still very annoyed you can't customize the killzone weapons

The AR was my go-to before the customization update dropped

[north fiber]

Probably licencing issues unfortunately

[dry canopy]

oh for sure - it's just bad against lots of enemies at once, for mechanics reasons

[idle hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802977594860503042/1345452741992120452/0222-ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[keen zinc]

Why is there an entire formation of Centurions

Where are their legionaries

The helmet plume is useless if everyone has one, it's supposed to be for identification

[odd arch]

they've megazorded into the centurions

[sharp crater]

plumes are the play when being spartacus is the vibe

[keen zinc]

True

[keen zinc]

Asterix and Obelix

[azure pewter]

They’re there to shake dramatically when they do the big thunks

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Bugsbugsbugsbugsbugsbugs
https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1378833218870186127

[verbal summit]

YES

[graceful bluff]

Or rather, botsbotsbotsbotsbots

didn't notice the dss moved and I wanna get eagle striked some more

[hexed steeple]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kvlpm9/hellbomb_trebuchet_leviathan/

[graceful bluff]

there's people that have made the trebuchet into an artform

[dry canopy]

fucking incredible, holy shit.

[keen zinc]

They should add an actual catapult

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btIr4p4FqK4

[keen zinc]

YES

Multiple functionality

Jump/hover pack troops can actually survive, so can BRAVE democracy protect users, and it gives the suicide vest passive use too

And of course the hell bomb pack

[sour falcon]

Legitimately one of the coolest things I’ve seen someone do in a video game, lol

[wind arrow]

https://youtu.be/PaofwQfnz3o

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some bots?

[keen zinc]

They didn't tell us the Super President was a former Helldiver

[wind arrow]

there are a few fanmade songs on bilibili as well

[keen zinc]

Also the "don't panic! remember your training! stay calm!" is realistic battle chatter, because when you're in a bad situation the best thing you can do is not panic

[wind arrow]

shame due to the major feature being the lyrics, sharing would require work i don't have energy for

[tight zephyr]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/18218470000450129888/C82EEC009E4378C188487C502316DE1D6E6E26E2/

This rangefinder sucks, but I feel kind of proud of being able to use it anyway.

[keen zinc]

I wish we had a real rangefinder for the recoilless

[stone bridge]

I love how shitty it is

Gotta have some downside to using the all round best AT option

[cobalt patrol]

Once you know how it works, it's pretty easy to wrangle

at least for me

Edge of the circle is 300m. Mid circle is 150m. Not sure what the inner point is, b ecause at that point who cares

it's why you see me marking things all the time in game, so i know the range and which circle i'm aiming off

[keen zinc]

I just love my graduated markings

[cobalt patrol]

And from there i can and do drop things at 400m

[keen zinc]

Not enough games include useful graduated markings on sights

Either they're purely cosmetic or the bullet drop is inconsequential for the ranges you shoot at

But in Helldivers they'd be highly useful

[strange vine]

theres a bunch of mods that do that

[keen zinc]

Yeah but it's nice when that sort of stuff is in games, the AMR has em and it's nice

[cobalt patrol]

I honestly find the circle easier to parse for my brain

[odd arch]

it sings to me...

my other highly desirable purchase is this

but I can't justify getting superstore items when I still have warbonds to get, most of them

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to dive?

[sage plume]

divedive

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kzk86o/no_cry_for_help_goes_unanswered_with_a_helldiver/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ygkheoakYLs

https://i.redd.it/haadl8vx514f1.gif

[fringe quiver]

CW: violence and gore

[tight zephyr]

Deserved.

[graceful bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/957403798647738418/1379067847195627613/cfc6ac21d6c08eb5210a18867ed05703e2b7983dad8e6eaf011689dac21c4565_1.mp4?ex=683ee484&is=683d9304&hm=f2ae3a0b4d1ff1f361a8d4baae4af3fc84ae59478ef818a6122d7fa1b16564b4&

[odd arch]

rare accents tying disparate sets together W moment

[quick plinth]

the kodiak yellow tears are another

[odd arch]

though I'm considering keeping the hazmat helmet on so my teammates know I'm unsafe to be around

I've rediscovered the joy of bugs by going gas + ballistic shield melee

[strange vine]

Wow, more bot than bug divers on a non-MO day, what a rarity

[graceful bluff]

Guessing super earth caused people to be quite tired of quantity factions :v

[wide star]

https://youtube.com/shorts/X1gB_shaook?si=6q1bemcqRzu80zGd

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> It is time

[glad marsh]

Hraaaah I want to but I must go shopping

[undone veldt]

Also I was looking through some discussions and someone pointed it out that while it’s pointed out how while automatons have meat generators

Most automaton major orders consist of “kill enough automatons to gather scrap metal”

[grave sail]

did a mission with a friend to kill those boss termanids and i killed one by dropping a machine gun pod on it by accident

[karmic prawn]

Wonder how the Automatons feel when they're fighting to save Cyberstan and end Super Earth while the major Super Earth operations against them are to steal their infrastructure and loot their corpses to turn into more infrastructure

[tight zephyr]

I think this might be at least part of the reason they're so pissed off at us.

[oblique storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhWbENU7jLE

[oblique hazel]

god people in this game are such babies sometimes

I just had a dude get like, mad at me because I didn't take the time to aim his reinforce directly at his stuff in the middle of a bug breach

[odd arch]

I had a moment where one player called in extract early so it'd be ready to go
I mistakenly thought he had a plan so I stayed with him
another spawned in late on us and thought we are extracting so they also stayed with us

the fourth was still doing objectives and fumed and left after extract instead of at any point clearing up what are we doing

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oYbeLYZMokI

[quick plinth]

is it an alternative if it's a different niche?

[keen zinc]

if you can only have one

yeag

[quick plinth]

because there really isn't an alternative to the thermite, considering its purpose

[hexed steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1379382700967727125 <@&1206091872716595200> it's killin time

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> 1 more for bot divin

[wintry moat]

Thank you for the games!

[stone bridge]

Our pleasure, thanks for playing!

[hexed steeple]

i can kill

[stone bridge]

If anyone hasn't tried the basic B-01 Tactical armour you start with into bots, or even just in general, I highly recommend giving it a spin

It turns out that after everything armour related has been ironed out, having Heavy armour EHP with Medium mobility is actually incredibly fuckin good

[odd arch]

unfortunately I'm a light armour addict

[stone bridge]

I don't like being randomly one tapped by headshots

[odd arch]

which is why the fortified light set from the superstore keeps singing to me

explosive damage is the most common hardest to predict cause of death ime

[stone bridge]

I think if you're buying any light armor with super credits, I'd make it the Extra Padding one, the overall tankiness increase will save you more often unless you're particularly invested in the recoil reduction, which is fair

[blissful sparrow]

i will never not take heavy explosive resist into bots
i may get ragdolled around for 2 minutes but by the end i'll stand back up with 30% hp left

[stone bridge]

Mobility is too important for me to ever run Heavy unfortunately

[wintry moat]

Oh yeah, been running the B-01 forever

Solid set, less is more

[stone bridge]

I might extend it into my Bug loadouts, I'm not sure yet

[verbal summit]

Lately I've just been running armour based on drip

Well I always had

But only light

For past few months I've been running medium n even heavy

Also I wish there were more 1 handed primaries

[wintry moat]

Hoping to see the extended B-01 sets, especially the venus pattern

[cobalt patrol]

I will argue pretty fiercly in favor of lgiht armor. you do run the risk of being one tapped, no argue there

But the decreased detection raidus is actually gigantic

it sounds small, because it's just -30%

but the way a volume of a sphere works out, being 30% smaller is a huge decrease

And the other part of hte perk, the ability to get enemy info based on where your makr on the map is

just a huge amount of info i miss having when i'm not using it

[stone bridge]

Scout armour, you mean

[odd arch]

scout is great but there are two wolves inside of me

the one that wants to do the missions and the one that wants to stick with the boys

[cobalt patrol]

Ah, yeah, sorry

[odd arch]

also still trying to figure out what is the laser cannon's sound profile

the laser beam rifle might as well be silent

[idle hollow]

finally a new MO

[cobalt patrol]

sO

Importnat dsicovery

if you're crawling under a cannon wehn it fires

one of the orbital cannons

this kills you

New MO is defeat 5 robutt invasions

[blissful sparrow]

Helldiver discovers Backblast