Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[muted burrow]

anyone have tips for quasar cannoning bile titans

😩

[tall stone]

So, if the Pelican actually takes enough damage (engines start to smoke), Pelican One will leave with just one Helldiver.

[honest acorn]

Huh

TIL

[tall stone]

It takes a good bit of work to have happen.

[oblique hazel]

huh

makes sense why its only happened to me on bot eradicates I guess lol

[muted burrow]

maybe we should be more careful with our 500 kgs

[muted burrow]

thanks for the info!

[quick plinth]

the performance in this game is absolutely atrocious

I can run C77 (to be fair after years of optimisation and fixes, which just proves how unoptimized helldivers is) on medium settings all thanks to FSR and some tinkering, but no matter what I do to helldivers it refuses to run at 60 (my screen's refresh rate)

not to mention most other games running fine as well, not pretty but at least playable consistently,

helldivers rolls a dice and decides if it wants to run okay that day or not (while having everything on low)

[tardy onyx]

https://fxtwitter.com/Helldiversmedia/status/1785279726204207560?t=MjqHh1OR6jin8jmkjZemNw&s=19

[hazy oriole]

speaking of the revolver, what are its breakpoints vs bugs?

[cobalt patrol]

There are actively issues in this patch with performance, unfortunately

[quick plinth]

the funny thing is, this patch my game has actually been playing nice for the most part

keeping roughly to 60 rarely dropping below 50 (minus lots of enemies on screen on a 9 bug mission)

[modest fiber]

a neat looking helldiver :3
Lé sauce: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/116794365

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200>

dimv

[stone bridge]

the diverrrr

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i'm down

come along @stone bridge

[stone bridge]

I might in a lil bit, testing some stuff first

[cobalt patrol]

What

Undeomcractic 😠

[stone bridge]

alas

[orchid pulsar]

how much longer briar

[stone bridge]

on da way

[unkempt river]

I cri. I might be up for a round or two after work. Need to make myself food and eat

[cobalt patrol]

@unkempt river how far way is work done for you?

<@&1206091872716595200> One more for THE CAUSE?

[unkempt river]

45 mins until home or so?

[tall stone]

Fenrir is done! It's time for Turing to have the towers turned off.

[keen zinc]

I hope the MO isn't done before tomorrow I want to participate

[unkempt river]

@cobalt patrol still up for a round or two?

[cobalt patrol]

I need to sleep, sorry 😦

[unkempt river]

nw

[strange vine]

the progress is real slow, youll have the time

[pure wave]

Man, I sure can't wait for the buggy

"hey check this shit out"
Rolls the buggy into a hive

[keen zinc]

Can't wait for remote explosives

Gonna dude the battlefield exploding jeep strat

[quick crown]

we going back to Battlefield BC2

C4 vehicles into the objectives

[azure pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-master-chief-cairo-station-gif-13956967

but with a hellbomb

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1chjylu/the_stratagem_input_makes_you_draw_a_mushroom/

[undone veldt]

Personally, I see something very different then a mushroom cloud there

[quick crown]

Equally as devastating to the enemy moral

[pure wave]

Memorizing the inputs as motions is actually alot more helpful ngl

[eager pine]

SO after simply dropping outof the game completely I think the issue I have with it is it's too simple to keep me engaged long term

Like, the base gameplay is really good and fun, but that's all there is there really.

But I should try memorizing the inputs like that. That might make it a lot easier... If I play again.

[unreal merlin]

I like how intuitive some of the stratagem patterns can be, and how indicative of their function it can be too

My habit for hellbombs is "half circle left, half circle right"

[quick crown]

in this behemoth typhoon

[keen zinc]

In this behemoose typhoon

[hollow plover]

In this beetroot typhoon

[keen zinc]

In this Beatrice Typhlosion

[junior badge]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up and around?

[shrewd tiger]

Ok

[honest acorn]

War update

[tall stone]

Yeee, we're working hard on it.

The decay drop on Turing came a lot faster than it did on Fenrir.

[hazy oriole]

Damn, is the 72nd the first proper "canon" namedrop of a Helldivers Unit?

[pure wave]

There've been a few canon name drops via armor I think

[tall stone]

It is a direct reference to the dedicated Bot Divers who did the Creek and the like, yeah.

[pure wave]

Took them over a month to take a planet

[tall stone]

At least we did our jobs and drove the bots out of the galaxy for a time.. They had to relocate their entire front!

[hazy oriole]

hmmm

[pure wave]

I do not feel bad for the divers of Malevelon creek

Planet wasn't all that scary really, it was just a jungle

[naive dragon]

Creek fun

Miss Creek

[honest acorn]

The combination of poor sight lines poor illumination and ion storms do make the creek legit a fairly harsh planet

Not the worst but definitely high tier

I think mesaworld with fire tornadoes would probably be worse

[naive dragon]

The lack of flaming tornadoes helps

I want the acid planets to have acid tornadoes (not really)

[pure wave]

I want there to be urbanish environments

[naive dragon]

Yeah that would be cool

[pure wave]

Like, for bugs you get to be dropped onto a map that is straight up just a hive

For automatons, it's basically a massive factory

And for when we're defending, it's like a regular old city

(Or the burbs)

[honest acorn]

HD1 had city tiles though mostly on defense

I expect there will be some special ones

Like Meridia and Cyberstan

[blissful sparrow]

i want to drop into a city like in EDF
and i want that city to be gone by the end of the mission

[unreal merlin]

for sure, though moreso than the difficulty it just has a very excellent thematic/aesthetic setting

it's just outright a cool setting to run around in

[honest acorn]

Yeah its very pretty and makes Helldiver's love of lighting really shine

[unreal merlin]

omnipresent blue twilight/night sky only broken up by bright red lights from automaton eyes, bolts, and spotlights

https://streamable.com/r4nq0q

[honest acorn]

aha well you see that's not a rocket

That's a recoilless rifle shell

[naive dragon]

I like those planets that are covered in the like

Grey and red fungus with the big fungal pillars n stuff

It feels like you're on a giant mold spore

[tall stone]

Fenrir is beautiful

[glacial light]

what'd be fun is if they pulled a dead space and had scripted ambush spawns bugs from crevices, eggs, corpses, and other sneaky places

Make it really clear it's infested

[modest fiber]

<@&1206091872716595200> well if the new warbond is coming this thursday it means i need to farm some supas, so am requesting aid. if anyone else needs some extra spending

[burnt vapor]

It will be next Thursday won't it?

[honest acorn]

I believe so

[modest fiber]

regardless i need money for it, and the previous warbond before demolition

[keen zinc]

Good luck

[hexed steeple]

finally got every single thing from all warbonds so far

[merry cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

Same

[glacial light]

Damn I bought like all the warbond weapons and stratagems but missing like the misc cosmetics and certain armors

Ive got a lot of things to buy for completion but no medals

[keen zinc]

I've gotten most of everything in the warbonds

All the equipment, armor, helmets, capes, emotes

[honest acorn]

I've got everything I care about but there's a bunch of random redundant armors and capes and backgrounds

[keen zinc]

Haven't gotten all the backgrounds or every victory pose (since I really like the one I use)

[heady halo]

hell yeah that was fun

im really enjoying the scorcher more than i thought i would

so far it seems to just be a better battle rifle. only light armour but the explosive tag seems to both go through armour and stun

[glacial light]

I need to learn how to use the Blitzer cause idk how it's arcing works

Its fun but also feels bad when you're being chased by a horde and zap like 1 bug with no arcing

[unreal merlin]

The Blitzer is a lot safer to use than the arc thrower IMO due to its very limited range and near lack of chaining.

Still stay aware of allies because it WILL fry them if you land an entire shot on them.

[honest acorn]

afaik the blitzer doesn't chain it just shoots multiple bolts and can target multiple things

But usually most of them all go for the "main target"

[unreal merlin]

Otherwise I use it with the intents of:

• killing flanking hunters / scavengers
• staggering brood commanders
• staggering hive guards
• killing warriors
  in rough priority

tbqh my chief concerns in any bug mission is just making sure the hunters are under control

[honest acorn]

I've found that the scythe is now a pretty good hunter-killer

[unreal merlin]

everything else is either big enough to keep track of, slow enough to just weave around, or easy enough to clear with an accidental stratagem

[honest acorn]

Though its not the only good one

[unreal merlin]

I could see it. Still not a fan of the high (enough) TTK and I can't be assed to use it like a scalpel on bug legs though, so Sickle's higher burst DPS suits me better

[honest acorn]

It's very easy on hunters since you pretty much just need to sweep it across them

Unlike warriors which require a little more aim

Used to be a PITA but the 16% damage buff was enough

[glacial light]

Yea it jhst shoots up to 3 bolts

No arcing technically

It'd defeat the purpose of energy weapon but I wish tbere was like a stronger blitzer that used ammo, the infinite fire no reload doesn't appeal hugely to me even as a sickle fan

I don't mind reloading

[rare nymph]

I took the liberator to a bug 9 earlier and was pleasantly surprised

[honest acorn]

Also I got to try out the cluster rocket launcher and it rules

Excellent horde clear

[glacial light]

It's a cluster tube and great at deleting bug patrols entirely and breaches mostly

[honest acorn]

Yeah its basically 1 shot of airburst strike as a support weapon

cleans hordes great

Teamkills helldivers great if you try to use it on a bile titan

[glacial light]

It's radius is pretty huge for a support much like a cluster, it's like at least 15m of danger

[rare nymph]

The SPM fix has me looking forward to the chance of dumping an entire backpack of RR rounds into a bunch of bile titans

[honest acorn]

SPM?

[rare nymph]

Superior Packing Methodology

[glacial light]

SPM seems like a big upgrade

[honest acorn]

It's pretty nice

[glacial light]

If RR had easier team reload it'd be top tier instantly

[honest acorn]

Worth noting it only applies to supply drop packs

[rare nymph]

Yeah

[honest acorn]

Not supply backpack ones

[rare nymph]

It just helps me avoid needing to double dip the resupply

[unreal merlin]

that's kinda surprising to me, I thought they were the same thing

[honest acorn]

same

[stone bridge]

I think that's just another bug

Imo

[honest acorn]

That’s certainly possible yeah

[unreal merlin]

Yeah, 'cause they give the same restock amounts and the supply pack essentially just takes them off the rack to fill its own slots

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/JdszYHqeeA4

[candid finch]

Oh airburst rocket launcher

I'm gonna give that a go

oh my that's bigger than I thought

[strange vine]

airburst is fun

might need some further tweaking but seeing double digits pop up in the kill counter is satisfying

[honest acorn]

I think it’s in a good spot

I would like the weird delay at the end of the reload before you can move removed though

[candid finch]

I aimed a little too close and blew myself the fuck up

[honest acorn]

Yeah it’s a big ass explosion

And can get you from far away if you use it on elevated targets

[candid finch]

Good for bug killing missions

"oh look a bug breach... Guess I'm just gonna wait a few seconds blow them the fuck up"

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> Ears pierced. Liberty locked. And Bugs in my sight. Let's stomp 'em.

[tall stone]

Once I finish this run, i'd be thrilled to!

[cerulean sluice]

ready to roll

[copper crest]

Touhou players rise up

[unkempt river]

@tall stone eta?

[cobalt patrol]

Just be careful, least i have to kick you >.>

I actually had to kick someoen last night after they kept team killing 😦

They got warnewd about it and right after the warning kileld me, lady havoc and themselves

[unkempt river]

oof

[honest acorn]

I wish helldivers had meter distances for showing ally tags

[unkempt river]

That's- [POST REMOVED FOR UNDEMOCRATIC BEHAVIOUR]

[honest acorn]

It can be hard to determine where people are when you let it rip

[tall stone]

That took forever. Done.

[sinful bay]

What if our ship democratic officer is just USA Char all along

[candid finch]

since I first used it I've only used it in areas that I'd throw an arc tower

well away from anyone

[ionic holly]

God, love that

I was doing a 6 with some buds and it went so pear shaped so hard, like full on drained reinforces bad, i was able to carry the thing mostly but right at the end i call in one last reinforce to get our last guy back in for a full extract, and its the fucking best thing cause im just holding the door basically killing things for when he gets in

Never leave a man behind

[honest acorn]

6s have a knack for occasionally just getting really fucked up

[sharp crater]

I do think it's very funny to call a guy down from orbit just to immediately take them back up again

[honest acorn]

Look the drop ship's gotta be full for the cameras

[ionic holly]

No soul left behind, i dont give a single fuck about the bonus xp

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> we have 2 slots!

[muted burrow]

:O

[sinful bay]

Finished 3 missions
Headache
bugs can be hellish XD

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> one slot left!

[cobalt patrol]

While this is true "Fire at the bug breach that our flamethrower guy is moving directly towards and is nearly ontop of" is intensely undeomcratic.

[honest acorn]

petition to give the airburst a special laser sight and alarm which plays for a half second before it fires

[cobalt patrol]

Or, hear me out here

players could just get guud.

[honest acorn]

whoosh, I guess

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, mine is clearly the reasonble take 😄

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some quick helldive bugs?

[quick plinth]

sure I could go for a couple

[oblique hazel]

helldive in this case meaning diff 9?

[cobalt patrol]

It's a blitz into a tcs

@oblique hazel sure is! come get exploded/set on fire/whatever

[oblique hazel]

in that case I'm gonna pass actually

[cobalt patrol]

Aww

[junior badge]

AH are running two new polls on their discord, about which warbond people felt had the best armors / weapons.

The results aren't surprising to me, but still interesting.

Armors has Helldivers Mobilize as the clear front runner, with only Democratic Detonation getting a significant proportion of votes otherwise.

Weapons has DD in a close lead over Helldivers and Cutting Edge.

Steeled Vets is in clear last place for weapons and just barely beats Cutting Edge for armors.

At least, right now.

I'm not surprised CE is last for armors, but that SV is so barely ahead of it, does surprise me.

Similarly, SV has the senator at least, I figured that'd help it a bit.

[burnt vapor]

I would think the dominator would also give it a edge

[shy prairie]

playing on 9s (with randoms) has been much smoother than 7s for me (today)

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> since patch just dropped whos down to dive?

[quick plinth]

watch- my previously aight performance since the patch dropped is gonna plummet now that they fixed it

[stone bridge]

the patcherrr

[modest fiber]

updating now, will be there

[hexed steeple]

there was another patch?

[stone bridge]

yeah for performance issue stuff

[hexed steeple]

:o

[quick plinth]

anyone else struggling to connect?

tried validating

didnt do anything

[modest fiber]

nope, it also mite be on your end, sometimes the internet does the funny

[quick plinth]

@modest fiber I wouldn't be able to message here nor use anything else if that were the case

I'm gonna call it and say that the game having worked fine pre hotfix and decidedly not working post hotfix, it might have something to do with the hotfix

[modest fiber]

i sometimes have it happen where i can use one site while not being able to use another, even tho i have internet on its saying it can't connect to it

[quick plinth]

that just means its much more likely to be an issue on their end

[modest fiber]

possibly, tho not like am an computer expert so i wouldn't know if it was caused by something else or not

that fun time of when doing solo farming, see a double door and think there is either supas or medals behind it.. fun times

[oblique storm]

Man this is pissing me off

Helldivers keeps tanking my headphones' audio quality

[modest fiber]

well your headphones can't handle all that liberty :3

[cobalt patrol]

Tanking how?

[cobalt patrol]

This is not helpful, dude.

[oblique storm]

So basically I have bluetooth headphones

and for some reason Helldivers specifically bypasses me disabling the "headset" part of it that makes it tank the audio quality

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, that's really werid 😦

I'm assuming headset mode is a low-power not meant to be directly connected to the computer mode?

[oblique storm]

It's not a headset is the thing

[cobalt patrol]

@oblique storm Looking around, you're not the only person with the issue:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1am1n42/bluetooth_headphones_issue/

[oblique storm]

Thank god I'm not alone AND the top comment worked

hell yeah

ty ty

[modest fiber]

noice

[cobalt patrol]

You're very welcome 🙂

[unreal merlin]

let's gooooooo
https://fxtwitter.com/helldivers2/status/1786004289908801929

[cobalt patrol]

ahahaha

the new booster

"Motivational Shocks
Literally shocks Helldivers back into action after being hit and slowed by sneaky, unjust attacks like the revolting bug acid vomit. Won’t help you much with area effects like EMS strikes, though."

[merry cosmos]

They changed the music. Nice

[unkempt river]

ooo, the Verdict and Tenderizer look like middle-ground options, I like that

PUMMLER IS A NEW 1-HANDED

[stone bridge]

the Verdict looks like a fuckin deagle

im down

[merry cosmos]

I am looking at the verdict respectively

[unkempt river]

and the Purifier looks like a plas weapon with some charge -> heavy hit. Looks like it popped a scout through frontal?

[graceful bluff]

Hopefully they fixed incin before this :v

[merry cosmos]

It did

[graceful bluff]

Probably has an aoe

[merry cosmos]

I'm largely looking forward to the tenderizer

[unkempt river]

Incendiary Impact should do work, I think

Initial AoE seems pretty small, but it deals a considerable AoE with the burning

[unkempt river]

They expect it to be fixed same time as the bond drops, from what the discord indicates

[merry cosmos]

I'm waiting to see if there's any new armor passives

Or what the armor passives are

[unkempt river]

Looks like "cold terrain" immunity? Or at least no-slide-on-ice?

Not sure

It's got crampons at the least, which would indicate some kind of mobility-in-cold change as the passive

[modest fiber]

it looks quite neat

[unreal merlin]

I'm guessing it's improved mobility on ice and snow

that was one of the really important passives from HD1, being unimpeded by difficult terrain/water so you could KEEP RUNNING KEEP RUNNING KEEP RUNNING

[merry cosmos]

That's kinda just what muscle enhancement does already

[blissful sparrow]

Goofy ass star wars helmets 😄

[merry cosmos]

SE are the literal empire so it fits

[unkempt river]

Sorta. I know you still slide on ice when you got muscle enhancement

[merry cosmos]

Not sure if I like it fully but idk

[unkempt river]

But, if it's just "muscle enhancement but only for snow/ice" I will be a little sad

[merry cosmos]

I like what I see of the wepons so far

[unkempt river]

Don't love the helmets, but the armor aesthetics look neat. It'll depend on their passives

I like the Blue and the OG Colors capes.

Not sure how I feel about the camo/orange one tho

[merry cosmos]

Camo orange would look good with the legionare set

[strange vine]

Firepower

AR-61 Tenderizer

A real tentacle-tearer. This high calibre assault rifle has awesome stopping power but limited magazine size, so make each shot count. Unpatriotic “banter” shots are not advisable.

SMG-72 Pummeler

A slower rate of fire than your other SMGs but these concussive rounds will leave your enemies dazed, confused, and still very ugly. Good things come to Helldivers who wait.

PLAS-101 Purifier

Set the trap. Hold the trigger. Let them charge at you. Smile. They’re getting closer. Smile again. Closer. Smile. Closer. Smile. Closer… and release the trigger. S.P.L.A.T. The longer you can hold your nerve, and the trigger, the bigger the damage.

Secondary weapons / Utility Booster

G-13 Incendiary Impact

Don’t waste time reading the instructions, lob it at the enemy and run. This thing detonates on impact and ignites the area in white phosphorus, so make sure you – and your allies – are not standing around having a chat.

P-113 Verdict

The guys in R&D love this one. Gas-operated, semi-automatic, and chambers the largest centrefire cartridge of any lunpistol of its kind. “Rapid Deliberation”, they call it. Quick-draw to look cool in front of your squad.

Motivational Shocks

Literally shocks Helldivers back into action after being hit and slowed by sneaky, unjust attacks like the revolting bug acid vomit. Won’t help you much with area effects like EMS strikes, though.

Armor

CW-36 Winter Warrior

Blend into snowy environments with perfect camouflage. The enemy will never see you coming, until it’s far too late. Ah the sweet smell of stealth. Passive boost – Serve-assisted.

CW-22 Kodiak

Thoroughly pressure-tested by patriotic volunteers as part of the Test Subjects for Super Earth Citizen Advancement Programme. Their sacrifice shall not be forgotten. Passive boost – Fortified.

CW-4 Arctic Ranger

Features a nifty utility belt boasting handy pockets that can be filled with any number of things – pocket knives, mementoes, interesting rocks, Terminid tentacles, bits of bots, etc.

[keen zinc]

we're getting a true battle rifle and a deagle

[tall stone]

Someone on another server had the audacity to say that Hunters won't find a way to flank you on higher tier asset defense missions. That's just ignoring the most important base rule of Hunters: They will always find a way to flank you, the little bastards.

[pastel igloo]

i'd like to see them flank a 380+120 HE combo

[tall stone]

True, true. By then the Hunters are not an issue

[pastel igloo]

i'm as likely to drop a 500kg at my own feet as i am to get flanked by a bug so it's not a big concern for me

[keen zinc]

generators destroyed

fission mailed

[cobalt patrol]

Some of the takes about this game are wild

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> https://discord.gg/rm9SvY75

[cobalt patrol]

@keen zinc I'm not up to voice rn, but if you wanna join me, i was gonna do some diff 7/8 bugs

[keen zinc]

you are playing splay the splire

[cobalt patrol]

I am not

it lies

try now

[cobalt patrol]

Like i seriously had people arguing the precision orbital strike was useless today

which is just ???

oine of the arguments was because it doesnt track/stick

which is uh

that's a sklill isse D:

<@&1206091872716595200> we have room for ONE MORE DIVER

[pastel igloo]

[unreal merlin]

Absolutely deranged take. Precision orbital is genuinely one of the most versatile and powerful assuming you have the skill to use it, quite literally making this a skill issue for them

Why ever take railcannon if you have a good sense of timing and knowledge of how to manipulate the enemies into standing still if need be

(railcannon does have great value in being extremely easy to use and sometimes you don't have time to set up a proper precision orbital)

[cobalt patrol]

One of the same people thjinks the flamethrower is useless, so, yes. Skill issue.

Like i think on helldive the flamethrower starts to choke a little, but that's mostly because you really need your teamamtes to cover you so you can create a kill zone

[unreal merlin]

Another deranged skill issue take lol. Mfw I learned how to kill chargers with flamethrower using only 1/6th of a tank

[tall stone]

The flamethrower I can excuse, because DoT bug

[cobalt patrol]

(and because breaches on helldive seem to have multiple breach points instead of singular, which stops you just easily hose down a single hole)

[tall stone]

It's still good, but it is bugged

[cobalt patrol]

Ah, but see, this person claimed it couldnt kill chargers

This person is bad

[tall stone]

Oh, they're dumb dumb

[unreal merlin]

I, as non host, have killed full health chargers in < 6 seconds using nothing but a flamethrower

Very dumb indeed

[cobalt patrol]

Agree

Like the dot bug hurts the falmetrhower, nd quite a bit

you loose a lot of incidental damage and hoard killing ability

but it remains a premier "anything that's not a bile titan: DIE"

[unreal merlin]

FYI anyone who doesn't know, just hose the charger's foreleg, not anywhere else

[cobalt patrol]

i can rack up x50s just using it vs a breach

it is hilarious

and once you get enough napalm on the ground you can literally reload

while your kill count keeps climbing

because anything that's not a brood commander or spewer roasts to death in a second or two

fuck, i died once while doing this, and my kill count kept going up for another 10-20s.

it was funny as hell

[unreal merlin]

Perhaps ironically, I started using the flamethrower as a more focused "few targets" weapon, but that's because I run the ARC-12 as primary and good God is that thing going to get balanced downward later. It is far too good at what it does.

[cobalt patrol]

In general with helldivers, i dont think there's any super useless strats or bad ones. There are ones that are bad in specific conxtexts or niches

like Orbital Precision stirke with Quasar? Yeah, that's a bit of a nombo.

They're doing very similar things, you want more crowd control with the quasar.

[cobalt patrol]

I just tried the arc with the flamer and didnt like it. obviously very good gun

but the team risk and inability to hit shriekers

[unreal merlin]

Also I started brining railgun for a while, and I found it very serviceable as a tool to pop hive guards, brood commanders, and spewers in the head from afar. Overcharging still works for chargers but it was more effort than I found worth doing so I just did stun -> precision orbital

[unreal merlin]

The former I don't consider a real issue with either arc weapons, but the latter is very real. It only can get them on the swoop down and it's so tense swiveling your head looking for which one is coming next

Quite bluntly, my solution to arc weapons having the potential to instakill allies is "get an intuitive feel for the properties of the weapon and use that to just not ever arc them by accident"

Plus the arc-12 won't actually kill a diver if only one of the arcs gets em, just a little knockdown stun (can be bad but it's not "dead")

Now if you meatshot all three arcs into someone yeah they're absolutely cooked but that's true of any gun anyway

[hazy oriole]

ngl i'm a little personally dissapointed by the lack of new passives

[cobalt patrol]

Haha, yes, very valid.

Also a funny for you @unreal merlin one of these p[eoples suggestion to make OPS "useable" was it should accumlate charges every 90s

which is just

lol

lamo

lmao*

like it would have to be nerfed so hard

Currently my bug goto primaries are Punisher and Dominator, mainly dominator currently

i need to give the scythe another go now it's been buffed up, and i need to try out the scorcher properly too

(I love the scorcher into bots)

[honest acorn]

I mean I do think OPS is pretty weak

I don’t think it really does anything which Eagle air strike can’t do as well or better

Except be used near AA I guess but that’s very niche

[hazy oriole]

That and it kills big slow taegets like bile titans and factory walkers more consistently in my experience
Like yeah you can get them with an Eagle Air but that's not consistent and when one of the big bastards is breathing down your team's neck sometimes you need something precise

Plus it is an excellent demolition tool, being able to knock out Detector Towers, Turrets, Research Stations and almost everything elsethat requires either a Hellbomb or 500kg

On a really short cooldown with respectable AOE too

[unreal merlin]

Kills chargers, bile titans, and hulks more reliable, but requires more setup to do so than just hucking a line of bombs

[cobalt patrol]

It's an incredibly powerful nuke on a very short cooldown

[hazy oriole]

Really good damage vs ATATs too

[cobalt patrol]

cost is to maximize it's power you need it to direct hit

(it's noticably weaker if it doesnt impact directly, it's shell impact is a lot of damage)

[hazy oriole]

It's basically a slower 500kg on a shorter cooldown

[cobalt patrol]

it's big advantages are it doesnt get b locked by anti air, it doesnt eat up eagle rearm time (Which makes your eagle airstrike/500kgs better), and it's just absolotuey a monster against heavy targets

[cobalt patrol]

Slower, more powerful.

it's noticably stronger than the 500kg - bigger aoe, more damage

[hazy oriole]

Oh shit,it does more damage?

[cobalt patrol]

Aoe is a different shape too.

[hazy oriole]

Fucking insane with how misleading the visuals are

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, a 500kg has to be perfectly under the bile titan to kill, a precision can kill if it hitrs anywhere on the body

[hazy oriole]

How's the AOE shape differ?

[cobalt patrol]

500kg is a small sphere with a conal compment whhere most of it's damage is

which is why you have to land it under BT's to really max the damage

andf why it kills detector towers and suprsingly werid angles

(You can see this vs nests that are high up and you land a 500kg low down - if they were flat on the ground, tehy'd be fine, but since they;'re high up they get popped)

precision is just a sphere.

I mean, i cant actually turn on hitboxes and see these things

but this is based on what i'm seeing in game etc

[tall stone]

2 hellpods and an OPS to the back pops a Strider

[honest acorn]

Tbf I also think the 500 kilo is somewhere between also bad and very overrated

I like how it has good uptime for buildings

[hazy oriole]

I've found it invaluable for killing bile titans when I run it with airburst on bug missions

[cobalt patrol]

also like to be fair "More damage" is very relative here - Theo lnly things the more damage matters on is Bile titans and At-ats.

I guess also when yo ufuck up and whiff

I cvan much more relaibly double-kill hulks and chargers with the OPS than i can with 500kg

[hazy oriole]

More forgiving with aim, less forgiving with setup

[cobalt patrol]

What;'s your goto diffuclty, outta curiosity?

[unreal merlin]

I can appreciate not needing 500kg/precision orbital by virtue of bringing support weapons and primaries that cover those roles, and in the same vein the opposite where bringing 500kg + precision orbital gives you all the anti-building and anti-heavy you need so you can run more light and medium clear weapons.

Thanks for the well designed game, AH

[honest acorn]

7-9 idrc between them

[cobalt patrol]

Ah, interesting

[honest acorn]

Though I can barely tell the difference between 7 and 8

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, that's exactly what i do - Precision and 500kg, then shield and flamethrwoer

and a priamry that compliments all that, plus grenade pistol and stuns

[unreal merlin]

Sometimes you just run an 8 and don't even realize that you're not in 6

[cobalt patrol]

Bile titans are still a weakness in the loadout, if i run out of cooldowns i'm fucked

[tall stone]

It's what I carry to help deal with big things when I run Eruptor + Stalwart. It's also just good for bots in general

[cobalt patrol]

but like, good i should not have a universal loadout, i should have wekanesses i need my teammates to cover

[cobalt patrol]

I guess it's just a playstyle diference then 🙂 I think 500kg and OPS get better on high diffs where their heavy-buster abilites come to the fore

[unreal merlin]

Also did exosuit get nerfed at some point? Used it earlier and the rockets were SUPER jank to use due to their launch angle and I once had to dunk 5 rockets to kill a single charger despite aiming for the usual kill spots

[hazy oriole]

Or if your support weapons/random teammates can't take care ofthem as well

[cobalt patrol]

For me the most overrated strat has to be Railcannon

(Simply because the OPS is more flexible and more powerful in general)

[unreal merlin]

Then you do what I do and end up running in a circle for ten minutes because the one person who brought EATs doesn't call them down ever

[unreal merlin]

Agreed. It's just precision orbital but with training wheels

[hazy oriole]

The fix for the rocket self killing the mech was adjusting the position it came out of it, they never adnusted the crosshairs

[unreal merlin]

Rough

[honest acorn]

Railcannon is nice for emergencies but I think the orbital laser is better there

[tall stone]

I could use OPS much easier thanks to it having a stupidly simple command

[honest acorn]

I usually run 380/180, cluster bombs/airburst support weapon (something which can kill heavies usually) and a green (autocannon for bugs, mortar for bots) when I'm not trying new things

[hazy oriole]

I hope they plan to fix it but I also heard someone say that they said they're fine with it which I hope isn't the case because arguably rockets are the strongest thing the poor mech has at this point

[honest acorn]

Sometimes eagle airstrike instead of clusters

I find for heavies the RR handles them better than nearly any red strat

[supple siren]

I cannot fathom how this was the fix for rockets

[unreal merlin]

I maybe should try out more greens, it's been a while since I played Engineer Gaming

[honest acorn]

I do like 500kilo for taking out jammer towers

[tall stone]

My bot setup is usually ops, 380, autocannon turret, and a support weapon

[honest acorn]

A well-sited autocannon sentry is stupid vs bugs

[pure wave]

Big fan of the SPEAR
You can take out bot fabs with it

[honest acorn]

3-4 shots chargers, 4-6 shots biles

Has enough ammo to kill like 10 heavies

[tall stone]

It's one of my go-to strats

[honest acorn]

I will like SPEAR a lot once they fix the lock on

[unreal merlin]

I'm too used to Jetpack + quasar + eagle airstrike + airburst orbital or precision orbital

I must fly

[tall stone]

It just works on everything

[honest acorn]

I've had it betray me when I really need it so I prefer RR usually

[pure wave]

There's some wack to it but it works

Sometimes

When it does work, it slaps

[honest acorn]

Oh yeah its great

I like how it can take out a heavy base solo from like 100+ meters if you can find a hill

Or splatter heavies

Also seems to unerringly headshot bile titans from the front

[tall stone]

It loves Bile Titan and Strider weak points

[glad marsh]

https://youtu.be/jcnzI0gN7z4?si=A6sWxX7l-DDhJzcK
I know someone posted a twitter link earlier but here's the YouTube one

It's uh

[hazy oriole]

Yeah, I ain't happy with it either
In general I think mech's high on my list of "stuff that needs some love"

[glad marsh]

Kind of funny how little I've heard of the weapons in this one actually

[honest acorn]

They seem real boring

[supple siren]

"You already can't restock or reload these in any way. Also now, you cannot aim them."

The charge up plasma seems nifty

[hazy oriole]

As a ballistic shield enjoyer I'm most excited forthe new pistol and smg

I adore my Senator but I wanna use a huge ass semiauto too

New SMG is...interesting

I hope it's more than just a mini lib concussive

[honest acorn]

It sounds like its another "concussive" weapon so I have very low expectations haha

[glad marsh]

Yeah... The only interesting one is the new plasma and even then... It looks painfully slow

[hazy oriole]

:(((

I'm most sad about the armor

I was really hoping for a new passive

[honest acorn]

Yeah the recycled passives are not that interesting imo

[hazy oriole]

Givin the incin nades I was crossing my fingers in the hopes of something like fire resistance

[hazy oriole]

Honestly it's dpwmright frustrating imo
I understand they probably don't want a repeat of cutting edge's near useless arc resist but the lack of new armor passives really hurts my hype for new warbond stuff

[unreal merlin]

• include armor with electricity resist
• no hostile sources of electricity
• include armor with cold resist
• I guess those ice plants count as hostile??

[tall stone]

I can wait on this one at least. Get to spend my super credits on Cutting Edge!

[unreal merlin]

Sickle my beloved work horse gun

Blessed are the patch notes, for they bring tidings of "sickle no longer blocked by the leaves on shrubs"

[hearty sleet]

Arc Resist help with friendly fire, but the stagger still makes it harsh to get hit by arcs.

[south temple]

the pocket quasar seems fun but the tenderizer seems like it’ll be weird when the adjudicator is how it is now

concussive smg is gonna rip i hope

[unreal merlin]

I'd definitely hesitate to call the scorch alt a pocket quasar

More like "railgun but AOE blast instead of armor pen"

[south temple]

i’m just saying it bc it charges with a yellow glow lmao

def more railgunny fs

i’m excited for another mid tier assault rifle to stubbornly use through thick and thin i hope it kinda sucks and never gets buffed

someday they’ll give us a space m16a1 and i’ll be happy

[unreal merlin]

Someday they'll give us a space m1 garand and I'll be happy

[honest acorn]

Yeah that sounds quasar-y

[south temple]

PING

clack clack

PING

yummmmy

[south temple]

the constitution is coming

[unreal merlin]

I would actually kinda love a punchy midrange semiauto rifle like that

[south temple]

oh for sure

god willing the tenderizer is adjacent to that

give me proper FAL gameplay

[unreal merlin]

Not marksman like the diligence, just a simple gun that shoots bullets way too big for the targets

[south temple]

exactly

[unreal merlin]

Dunking raiders with .30-06 AP

Point and click adventure

[south temple]

weak ass round where’s my goddamn 45/70 Govt. rifle

15 rounds of pure FREEDOM

[gritty sundial]

I just want the Halo DMR and the Diligence just feels like it's punching too low for that

[unreal merlin]

Diligence doesn't have the right oomph for it

[gritty sundial]

yeah

It has the like

damage

It doesn't have the sound

[unreal merlin]

It's still firing bullets, I want my gun to be firing cigars

[gritty sundial]

It does not go bang loud enough xD

[honest acorn]

I lowkey think that's the biggest problem with it

It sounds so weak

[gritty sundial]

Ye

It has the statistical oomph

It just needs to be louder

Like

Technically the 'buff' it needs would make it worse

But it would feel so much better

[unreal merlin]

Actually a hurdle when I started using the scorcher

Dainty little pop

[ionic holly]

Hey, dunno if anyone else's caught it but they actually did (somewhat) detail everything on the steam blurb about the new warbond this time

which
god
fucking
damnit.

kodiak better be medium armour or im gonna be PISSED

[tall stone]

I will be happy if it's heavy

[hazy oriole]

Huh, weird that they didn't show Arctic Ranger's one

imma be real with u i want more heavy armor that isn't fortified, i'd kill for one with extra grenades

[unreal merlin]

I'm guessing it's medium, heavy, light just going by names

[sinful bay]

wooo new one handed options

[unreal merlin]

Kodiak for bear, bears are big and heavy. Recon is associated with being mobile and light, which leaves warriors which usually have armor

[ionic holly]

Im really hoping winter is heavy, cause thats the only one i want

[ionic holly]

Also dude, FUCKING SAME

THATS WHAT IVE BEENM SAYING

[glacial light]

The headshot damage reduction against bots is pretty noticable, I can consistently gauge roughly how many times I need to be shot by light troopers before I need to stim without a random one just chunking my health, to a lesser extent hunters are noticeably less deadlier with their random melee headshots

Heavy armor is looking better as it should be

[honest acorn]

Yeah its WAY more noticeable with hunters

They're still annoying asf with the flanking and slows and leaps

But they don't occasionally just kill you

[glacial light]

If they would add in some flinch resistance or slow resistance to heavier armors I would no longer take the shield pack

[unreal merlin]

Good news, we're getting a booster for that

[honest acorn]

yeah that's exciting

[sinful bay]

Heavy armor now just need better poise

[glacial light]

Woooo

[glacial light]

Bullgoat armor when

[sinful bay]

bullgoat armor?

[south temple]

SEAF havel armor is more important

bullgoat lacks the pure drip factor

[sinful bay]

https://tenor.com/view/parry-dark-souls-1-parrying-deflect-again-gif-10477416484324742194

[south temple]

wot ring u got?

[sinful bay]

Freedom and Liberty rings

[glacial light]

This is what I want to be hopped up on stims and ignore everything right until I run out of stims then health and die surrounded by my enemies

I want to wade through hordes of hunters laughing them off until my hubris gets the better of me cause I forgot to look at my health

[nocturne saffron]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone wanna dive?

[orchid pulsar]

im down

[runic cairn]

same

[ionic holly]

And i got dragged into a helldive, again, by people i still dont find particularly ready for helldive.
im tired of this, i dont play the game to go to max.

[honest acorn]

Quick play adventures? It seems to sometimes go into odd difficulties

[ionic holly]

No, it was my main group i play with
ive expressed my want to not multiple times.

[junior badge]

Ugh

[heady halo]

noooooo

that sucks...

[junior badge]

Yeah, that's just rude

Play with us here

(at least when I don't get random disconnects)

(sorry Risk of Renegade! I wish I could rejoin, but I can't.)

[heady halo]

<@&1206091872716595200> that said hell if anyone wants to do some seven or eights?

[shy prairie]

I don't think theyd ever add planet-specific quirks (though I suppose I dont know how it worked in HD1). It diesnt seem like, good to me if people can only really "use" the armor like, if a snow/hot planet is unlocked.

[ionic holly]

w-
why did you quote ping me for that?

[heady halo]

itd ping you anyway so my brain came up with the idea that it would be a good idea to ping you directly, so you know you are specifically invited

[ionic holly]

No actually it wouldnt because i dont have the role.

[heady halo]

oh!

[ionic holly]

and i dont have it for a reason

i dont like being pinged out of emergencies

[heady halo]

my apologies

[ionic holly]

Its alright, you wouldnt of known

[shy prairie]

As like, a more general called shot: I don't think there is much design space for new armor quirks

[ionic holly]

Counter argument im iffy about new people

The worst part is i think for one of them it comes from a place of wanting to prove me wrong, not about them but
i always say im bad at the game cause i personally believe i am

so i think he's dragging me into helldive where i tend to shine to try and prove a point

[honest acorn]

Hmm, I think its weird to drag in your friend group drama with a bunch of people you don't even want to play the game with tbh

[ionic holly]

thats-

Apologies?

i just dont

have other people to vent to?

[junior badge]

That's still rude. And yes, I understand being iffy about new people - I really don't tend to play with randoms on the net with voice or anything.
But for HD2, it's really nice, so I tried it out here, and, well... It's been very nice.

The community here is super chill and it's worth it, imo.

[south temple]

straight up

[ionic holly]

Im not trying to bring drama i just want to express it to folk who'll actually understand

theres a reason i dont name em

[junior badge]

(I feel silly for not doing this when Darktide came out, would've been so much more fun. Now I'm just kinda disillusioned with it, but if I ever go back to it, I will try and play with people from here for sure.)

[honest acorn]

I mean, bluntly this channel isn't your personal pillow to scream into

[honest acorn]

I've been going back to Darktide some lately

It's fun the new patch is nice

[south temple]

oh darktide with an actual group is soooo much more fun

randoms are a mixed bag, to be diplomatic

[junior badge]

Yeah, I heard the puzzles really help. Both with keeping it a bit more interesting and giving more plasteel.

[ionic holly]

that isnt my intent- god fuck nevermind ill just keep to myself again, sorry

[junior badge]

Because I read the patch notes and was like "eh, none of this adresses what bothered me", but it's probably better in-game than it reads.

[junior badge]

Also, this feels a bit harsh, no? Haven't we all occasionally vented about something here?
I'd rather Niles gets to say something and then end up having better experiences here, than push him out.

[ionic holly]

No he's right ill just

drop and stick to not venting

Please dont push a matter i would rather move on from

[junior badge]

ok. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to drag it out.

[ionic holly]

Its alright, like said just
wanna drop it and move on

[quick plinth]

okay this is just hilarious

my performance is now back to how it was with the hotfix

(when the patch actually improved the perfromance of the game for me, while somehow bugging it out for everyone else)

[honest acorn]

You must have like a cursed setup or something

Though Hellsdivers seems to work hardware in strange ways

[shy prairie]

The negative rig

[honest acorn]

Like how it seems to hit CPUs so hard

[quick plinth]

to be fair helldivers is just horribly unoptimized

[honest acorn]

yeah

[ionic holly]

I dont know if ive ever had a hardware problem with HD2 actually

[quick plinth]

I won't be gaslit into thinking my hardware is outdated when with the help of like later FSR and some tinkering I can run stuff like C77 with on medium high and decent framerates 90% of the time

[hot meadow]

Helldivers is definitely a bit odd on the hardware!

[quick plinth]

(to be fair C77 had a long journey of fixes and optimizations and CDPR is 10 times the size of AH )

[honest acorn]

Helldivers is both not well optimized and also for some reason a huge CPU drag

[hot meadow]

I have a super up to date machine and sometimes helldivers and helldivers alone like… hiccups? I don’t know how else to describe the behavior.

[honest acorn]

Maybe it has to do with the semi-open world?

IE poor memory loading and unloading for the map

[quick plinth]

I think it has more to do that they had an indentend perfromance baseline in mind

which really doesn't work when you release a game to PC

[hot meadow]

I finally watched the trailer for the new bond. I might not spring for this one, will wait to see what this chat says. Armor looks great though.

[quick plinth]

where you have people running it on potatos and latest and greatest rigs

the new warbond certainly looks intresting with those low recoil weapons

the armors are meh, no new perks

though with the description of one I expected it to be a scout / stealth armor

[hot meadow]

They look sweet tho, which is more important to me lol

[quick plinth]

the incendieary impact is

[honest acorn]

The weapons look kind of neat but don't have the "wow" factor of the previous one for me

[quick plinth]

interesting?

[honest acorn]

Yeah that one looks neat

I really like the look of the new boost though

[quick plinth]

how is it any different from the regular incendiary

[pure wave]

It impacts

[quick plinth]

right

yes... of course

what I mean is in effect on target

[pure wave]

I'm not sure
Will prolly need to test it

Maybe more direct damage, fire lingers less

Regardless, you can make the regular incendiary impact if you get really good at cooking your grenades

[quick plinth]

the new booster is for brief slows? so stuff like hunter tongues and scav spewers?

BT spew?

[ionic holly]

Concussive SMG has my eye

[quick plinth]

ah

that's how its different from the regular SMG

[honest acorn]

I'm curious if it'll be different yeah

[ionic holly]

Assuming the wording on steam is direct, yes

[honest acorn]

Since normally I think the time fuze is a bonus for the incendiary

[ionic holly]

for the record on why im calling it concussive

[honest acorn]

I'm curious how that'll land

I don't really like the liberator concussive but an SMG might work better for the "class" of weapon

[ionic holly]

I like the lib con so its definetly on my eye

[pale remnant]

The liberator concussive is at least not godawful anymore. Concussive smg should be really good for kiting stuff, I figure it'd be a bug-focused weapon

[quick plinth]

they buffed the damange on the lib con but the damage is still very much not what I need from a primary

[ionic holly]

Rifle is too, depending on how different it is
otherwise its mostly just winter warrior for me

[quick plinth]

the primary weapon in HD2 is a safety blanky

[hot meadow]

One thing I like about this game is that if the new smg comes out and is merely interesting, that’s fine

[pale remnant]

Silly big pistol could be fun

[quick plinth]

something to keep the enemies off you as you use the actual weapons (stratagems)

[hot meadow]

I have enough other levers within my loadout to have something that is merely fun and interesting instead of exceptionally good

[pale remnant]

I may continue using the basic semiauto pistol to the end of time, tho

[honest acorn]

I haven't tried it since the damage buff last patch so maybe it'll be more solid

[quick plinth]

to be fair with stuff like the eruptor, that line is blurred some but with the eruptor youre encouraged heavily to take stratagems like the stalwart

since ur primary weapon has turned into a support one

[hot meadow]

Eruptor is definitely in my fun and interesting but not stand out good camp

[quick plinth]

also the grenade pistol taking literally 4 resup bricks to get back to full ammo is criminal

[hot meadow]

I happen to really like it but I think I overall do a lot better with the dominator or shotguns

[quick plinth]

(1 resup brick gives you 2 shots back)

[honest acorn]

yeah its really hard to feed

[pure wave]

What is full ammo with it?

[ionic holly]

8

[pure wave]

Eight nades for four supply bricks

Thats

Fucking horrible

But kind of understandable

Ammo and grenade pickups are seperate for a reason

[hot meadow]

It’s bad but also somehow still really good?

[ionic holly]

Considering ive reliably killed BTs with this thing im not one to complain
mind you thats after exposing some soft bits

[glacial light]

Grenade pistol has substituited impact grenades for me, it's effectively getting a grenade from regular ammo boxes

[pure wave]

Ah, so its good

Just a pain to top off

[ionic holly]

Its an option

[pure wave]

I mean, good in terms of the niche it fills

[shy prairie]

Ime not really moreso than like, actual grenades

[pure wave]

Is it good for crowd control?

Because the frags kinda suck at it, hi-ex is a bit better

[ionic holly]

Its not
bad
it doesnt have that much splash but its enough to do something with bunched crowds

[glacial light]

It deals like 600 damage I believe and impact does 400 damage, so it's good at popping explosive sacks, AoE is much smaller than impacts though

[ionic holly]

Mhm
personally i love it cause my loadout needed something like it

i run stuns religiously so i had to rely on purely stratagems and teammates for hole popping prior to it

[rare nymph]

I simply make sure someone is running the ammo on spawn booster then get myself killed

Boom, 8 more shots

[honest acorn]

I ran it with grenade armor impacts and its nice to carry like 15 grenades

impacts feel stronger even though it says they do less damage which is weird

Probably just the bigger aoe

[glacial light]

Probably the grenade pistol also have huge damage AoE falloff, I notice even small bugs not directly hit by the grenade pistol will survive if they're like a foot away

[strange vine]

the grenade pistol does more direct hit damage than explosive aoe damage iirc

or at least it splits it much more harshly than impacts

[glacial light]

Grenade pistol for me, is 8 fabs/nests gone from a distance and occasionally pop medium enemies or in emergencies explosive sacs on chargers/BT.

[ionic holly]

Makes sense, it can be aimed better than nades

[strange vine]

ah here

for grenade pistol

[honest acorn]

What site is that from?

[strange vine]

the main thing with GP imo is that you only get 2 grenades back from supply packs

out of 8

[stone bridge]

You should post that link directly yeah

[strange vine]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/GP-31_Grenade_Pistol

[honest acorn]

sweet thanks

[stone bridge]

Neat

[glacial light]

I rare use supply packs but 1 grenade from ammo boxes is nice enough for me to deal with all buildings since they're so common. If I used it to kill enemies then i'd run out fast even with ammo boxes and supplies

[honest acorn]

I like it for hive guards but its not very sustainable

used that way

[rare nymph]

I like to save it for clearing bug nests

It’s nice to have something in your pocket that can clear most, if not all of the holes in a heavy nest

[glacial light]

Also I get to use stun nades with grenade pistol

Don't have to give up explosives and have stuns

Stun nades and precision strike is great

[rare nymph]

Yeah

[hot meadow]

I still use impacts with my grenade pistol, but I’m also often using either servo assist or extra grenade armor

Point is I like blowing shit up with grenades a lot

[glacial light]

Based

[tall stone]

Honestly, Stun Grenades, Sickle, and Localization Booster are made me go "I can really wait on the new warbond" and grab Cutting Edge.

[glacial light]

You are always prepared for bile spewers

[hot meadow]

Literally my favorite enemy lmao

Notably grenade launcher is also my favorite special, even if I mostly use quasar nowadays

I just like grenades in games a lot, I was a big fighting lion fan in destiny 2.

[south temple]

aughh the new bond releases a day before i’m leaving for europe

no diving for like a month

[hot meadow]

Europe tho

That’s pretty good

[south temple]

tru

getting off my desktop 24/7 is fs a good idea

but also no tenderizer :(((

[heady halo]

i think of the pistol as 8 free inpact grenades

[hot meadow]

Plus plus this is helldivers so it will literally all be here when you get back, no comp

[south temple]

lmao yeah

[glacial light]

Grenade launcher is great, it was basically my autocannon for bots that let me have a shield pack

[heady halo]

if in your build you would swao your pistol for 8 free impact grenades that you only get back on death, take the grenade pistol

[glacial light]

Also GL kills all bugs except BT

[hot meadow]

GL is literally perfect in its niche

[glacial light]

I remember trying for this catalyst in PvP

[hot meadow]

I just stopped using it so I could carry a quasar and have more eagle stuff instead of GL and EATs

[glacial light]

It's a low bar but I just learned grenade pistol can destroy broadcast towers

[tall stone]

Ye, all explosive can.

[glacial light]

It's nice to be able to pop a broadcast tower immediately into a hot drop with your starting gear. I liked eruptor for that reason too

[quick plinth]

I mean I mostly use the grenade pistol to allow me to have fab/hole killing power in pod

because I'm addicted to stuns

[rare nymph]

I also like the grenade pistol for the extra silly factor

Like it should be an underbarrel attachment but super earth issues it as a replacement for your pistol

[glacial light]

Duct tape ship module upgrade when

[honest acorn]

Too busy using it on the turrets

[glacial light]

Would the deactivate TCS missions be easy solo

[honest acorn]

Not particularly

They’re doable I think but it’s a looot of heat

[unreal merlin]

the fighting is pretty heavy but using clear strats (eagle cluster, napalm) could get you a window to get ahead of it all as long as you keep running

[honest acorn]

Yeah I think it’s doable just not notably easy

Though they are short which can help

[ionic holly]

Hm, i feel like im missing something with the deactivate TCS missions then

they feel so... dull, barely any time for actual threats to spawn

[glacial light]

Hmm I just read an interesting combo, medic armor and supply pack for tons of stims

I could be a stim fiend instead of using shield pack

[supple siren]

Also means a lot of free sprinting

You can really survive some cartoonish damage under Stim, too

now they just need to make the heal activate when the noise plays

[ionic holly]

Stim tanking is a real thing, and it's hilarious

as long as it doesn't one shot, legally it can't kill you

[glacial light]

On one hand you could be using the light medic armor and stim to be invincible all the time basically to compensate for lack of armor.
On the other you can wear heavy medic armor and stim for stamina to compensate for slow

[ionic holly]

Must be nice having a heavy version of your preferred perk

[glacial light]

Are you talking about the lack of heavy scout armor

If it makes you feel better there's no democracy protects light armor

[ionic holly]

No, heavy engineering armour

i need more grenades

[glacial light]

There isn't? They really missed that in the explosive warbond

It would have been perfect to have it there

[ionic holly]

yep still isn't

demolition's heavy is fortified

which makes it the 4th fortified
5th?
one of those two

[supple siren]

of all the 150s it does look the most fortified tbf but c'mon now

[glacial light]

The grenade belt is strictly cosmestic

[ionic holly]

It does i'm just

mad.

[ionic holly]

actually it has a mag pouch to my memory

well, 3

[rare nymph]

There is a heavy that has a bunch of grenade launcher rounds

I think it was the dreadnought

[ionic holly]

Yep

servo assisted

Genuinely at this point i feel like they just have some internal reason for not giving heavy armour engineering kit.

[rare nymph]

We still need an engineering kit heavy and then, just for fun, a scout heavy

[ionic holly]

Genuinely, i'm fine with no new passives if we atleast got new combinations.

Like, i don't have the full docket on hand but i'm vaguely pretty sure heavy armour has the lowest variety of the 3 classes?

could easily be wrong though, so take that with a shaker of salt

[rare nymph]

It’s also missing arc protection, come to think of it

[ionic holly]

Mhm

It's just
nutty we still lack so many heavy variants and still keep getting dupes

And unless the next update brings a new superstore set with one of the remaining combinations it really doesn't feel like it's gonna change.

[keen zinc]

[ionic holly]

I just want more grenades man

[glacial light]

Is the 2 light scout armors the only one in the same armor class and same perks but different stats

[ionic holly]

I don't think so but could be wrong

[glacial light]

Having one scout that's 50 armor and one scout is 70, both light with different stamina and speed I believe.

If they're gonna have the same perk and class might as well vary it up the stats a bit

[ionic holly]

i forget enforcer's perk but i'm pretty sure it shares it with something else and just has naturally higher armour

[rare nymph]

I believe enforcer is fortified

Surprising no one

[ionic holly]

They really like fortified huh.

Ah yeah i was right though, exterminator and enforcer both have fortified and are medium but enforcer has its 129

hilariously this also means heavy armour is the only armour clsss to lack something like that too

(excluding padded sets)

[honest acorn]

My experience is that they go wild when people mash multiple buttons

I think if you do them systematically they stay more tame

[ionic holly]

I kinda wanna spam buttons then cause it feels so dull normally

like i had to spike it to extreme to even get a heavy spawn

[honest acorn]

Which one is extreme?

[ionic holly]

6

[honest acorn]

Ah yeah those can get crazy

[ionic holly]

It still was barely anything admittedly

like... two BTs and a single charger

[honest acorn]

Maybe it spikes it above that

I lost count of the BTs when I did one on 7

I think it was 6-7 but not all at once

[ionic holly]

Hm

Shrug, but yeah heres hoping that concussive SMG meets my expectations

[pure wave]

Six ain't that rough, personally

7 is when it picks up though

[honest acorn]

I find that 6 is usually not that bad but occasionally goes completely sicko mode

[pure wave]

Did do a drop at six where Dropship RNG said "Have three tanks"

[hot meadow]

I’m at the point where 7 is where I go for a fun chill time that isn’t boring

[hazy oriole]

can confirm as someone who does 7s regularly that BTs will spawn quite frequently on there, had at least 5-8 of them last time I did it

honestly I just wish this mission type was more engaging than just "push some buttons and shoot some eggs" tbh

[ionic holly]

Next time im going for 7 then

[muted burrow]

squad and i had a rough time on 7 without packing 4 500 kgs and a quasar cannon or 2, but 5 was very chill and i had fun switching up my loadout

😩

too many biles and smol bugs

[ionic holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234496791085453455/1235788679004291112/image.png?ex=6635a564&is=663453e4&hm=ff77d1c7bd3f48859c1a4320eaf089ffdbd60927ecc57d3e69a72055143af57a&

You gotta be fuckin kidding me.

[stone bridge]

bwuh??

[honest acorn]

Does this mean we get cross-progression soon?

[ionic holly]

Fucked if i know, all i know is im annoyed as hell

If i wanted to have a PSN account, i would've bought a playstation.

[tall stone]

Bwuh?!

But I don't have a PSN account

[ionic holly]

You're just
expected to make one

which by the fucking way

go
fuck
yourself.

I use layers for my payments on steam for a reason, so I dont have to give it shit beyond my region

[stone bridge]

it's not a huge deal its just annoying

[quick plinth]

I wouldn't call wishing one didn't have to give information they don't want to, not a huge deal

[stone bridge]

What are they realistically going to do with it?

Like I get it

[quick plinth]

it's the principle

I had to make a croatian account because they didn't have serbia for example

[ionic holly]

Havoc gets it actually
i specifically avoid this stuff because i very much prefer my location to feel safe
i have unironically had troubles in the past of bad faith actors somehow getting the info and then that was a whole fuckin mess

[glacial light]

So why playstation account for ban appeals? Is Sony handling those or something

[honest acorn]

I'm pretty sure you can just falsify that stuff and no one will know

[glacial light]

For people that haven't linked their PSN accounts they must currently have a way to track their account via steam or something? Couldn't you ban people from multiplayer based on steam accounts

[ionic holly]

You can, yes.

this feels very just
bullshit.

Specially since no other sony game on steam requires it
it can be incentivized with goodies sometimes

[pure wave]

Sony moment I think

Regardless, hopping on shortly if anyone has open squad spots

[glacial light]

I don't see why a PSN account is necessary for bans if the game currently works fine without.

[ionic holly]

I dont either

But fuck it, spoofed some bullshit

They do actually check for a valid zip for the location so had to dig up something from there

[pure wave]

Mmmm

They gotta drop the auto cannon one eventually

[cobalt patrol]

Per devs: Right now if they want to ban people for cheating/hacking/toxic behaviour etc, they have to go through valve to do it, wait for valve etc to reply, and everything.

If the account linking is setup, sony handles all of this, which also reduces the kload on arrowhead

...and also it's been in the game from the start on the pruchase page that you'd need al inked account

[ionic holly]

I'd sooner that have just been a hard blockade at the front rather than get a grace period of any kind then.

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, servers were on fire and everything was breaking, it's entirely possible linking flatout didnt work

[ionic holly]

Respectfully friend i appreciate the attempt to defuse but its
not gonna do much for me and i dont wanna go off on you, so im just gonna step away

[cobalt patrol]

Good-o, because i'm genuingely just trying to play messenger here, since i know not everyone looks at the offical discord

[ionic holly]

And i dont wanna shoot the messenger

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah. I mean, you're welcome to add your voice on the discord, there is al ot of discussion there

[ionic holly]

I'd rather not just scream and shout more than i have, just
getting past it, and focusing on the game itself

[cobalt patrol]

Well, actually elvel headed "I have an issue with it, here's why" would be a refreshing change for them

[ionic holly]

Maybe, but i dont think i could be level headed

[cobalt patrol]

Well, then rest assured your voice has been well-heard alreasdy

ALso this playerbase sometimes.

Player joins, first thing they say in game is: MAGA.

kick them

Replacement player joins, throws airstrike ontop of me, killing me and themselves while i was in the middle of dealing with a shrieker base.

they're level 50 and should know better. kick.

[ionic holly]

Ugh

I admit its why ive started dodging quickplay

[graceful bluff]

Can you still have the nickname you want if you're linked

or is it forced to be the psn one

[ionic holly]

Dunno, ill find out the 30th cause
not a clue how to link otherwise

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some 7+ bugs?

[shy prairie]

yeah i'm looking to dive

[unkempt river]

cool. looks like I have an update, but it's almost done already

[muted burrow]

ooh, you can see your friend's squads on the planet

the icon is green :D

[junior badge]

Your choice. It's not my PSN name, at least.

(Not that that would be radically different, because I've consistently used the same character name online since I'm 13 but yanno, not identical.)

[unkempt river]

mood

[cobalt patrol]

Also, re linking: this isn't arrowheads decision

They've been rpetty clear on it, this is a sony mandated thing

so yellign at them isnt much ehlpful, best you can do is go after sony

[graceful bluff]

Trying to get a japanese companies attention without being able to speak japanese is futile

[ionic holly]

Another reason why i don't wanna risk going off on arrowhead folk

and
admittedly a big part of why i'm not even trying to refund even if i do dip

that shits gonna hurt them more than sony

[unkempt river]

Also, in most everything I've seen, Arrowhead as a company respects players (unless they're being queerphobic or whiny about difficulties) and does what they can to fix stuff.

[ionic holly]

Mhm

[cobalt patrol]

Has anyone found any reliable way to take down a bile titan with a primary weapon or the flamethrower by the by?

[unkempt river]

that being said: <@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some 7+ bugs?

[cobalt patrol]

@unkempt river Maybe shortly, i wanna check in on my partner a bit mroe and stuff

[orchid pulsar]

im down

[mortal wing]

yippee I'm in a region with no psn support

and some psn servers appear to be network blocked on country's side

[quartz cloak]

That
Is not something I've considered, and that is a problem

[junior badge]

Yeah, PSN has some weird restrictions - the Baltics, for example.

Although obviously it's not cool for people in any of the unavailable regions.

[heady halo]

explosive wepons can burat the stomach preventing it from spitting but thats about it

as far as i can tell

[cobalt patrol]

The good news is they are aware, and they;'re trying to fix that

again, not on arrowhead

this isn't their choice at all

This is being forced by Sony

[idle hollow]

Awesome Sony moment

[cobalt patrol]

(Honestly, reading between the lines, Arrowhead is not happy about this, but their hands are tied)

[mortal wing]

Aye I know, was signed off as Sony

[naive dragon]

Where's the nearest Sony exec

I'm going to put all their laundry in the wash and fold it wet in their drawers

[mortal wing]

I'm probably gonna put the game down until I hear if that was reversed or something.

[naive dragon]

Soggy mildew futures

[mortal wing]

Not in negative way really, just doing other stuff.

If that makes sense.

[cobalt patrol]

I do not think it'll be reversed unless the outcry gets really loud

it is pretty loud though, so, we'll see

[naive dragon]

Just gonna join the whole "switch my review to not recommended and stop playing until things settle down" team for a while, I don't wanna sign up with a fake address and then have Sony turn around and ban me for not letting them leak my info

[dusty spruce]

Did different regions not get notified of this? When I first booted up the game it prompted linking a PSN account and said it was required, but I'm seeing people swear up and down that they had no idea on the Steam Forums.
Asking for other's experiences because referring to Steam Forums is like asking a Magic 8 Ball.

[keen zinc]

You could skip it

But it was always there

[naive dragon]

I don't recall seeing it myself but I had a host of login issues when I first got in

So for all I know that got lost in everything else I was doing

[heady halo]

it offered it as an option that i could just skip

specifically i remember it talking about it beig neccesery for crossplay but i was fine with not having full crossplay accses

its not like i read the full thing it was long

and had a skip option

[mortal wing]

Also games that will not work in your region aren't sold on Steam usually here.

[naive dragon]

Ah well. Not a huge loss, if I come back in a while and they've walked it back cool, if not? 🤷‍♂️

[heady halo]

but reading this stuff its not even making a sony account that would be fine its permanantly linking your steam account to one sony account and giving sony accses

[mortal wing]

Either just straight up - unavailable in your region sorry. Won't even show up in the shop.

[naive dragon]

They've at least proven the PvE model is still a good thing to a ton of people, other stuff will come

[mortal wing]

Or we get a crippled version of the game that's region locked.

The only thing I'm actually annoyed is it being sold here in the first place.

[heady halo]

i honestly dont know given how terrible large game development had been for the last decade

and its not like helldivers is leabing the marketplace the main audience is likely to stick with it. it is very good. best pve shooter ive played since left 4 dead 2

[tall stone]

Was wondering how the Bot front is doing after being left abandoned (for good reason) this MO.

[tall stone]

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for a quick bug7?

[quick crown]

I've been linked since day 1 and its still been my steam name.

[idle hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/257973775226765312/1235955835050659963/for-the-current-situation-v0-rr8buj2d57yc1.png?ex=66364112&is=6634ef92&hm=37b1b9df11645dfa573694ebc5ad8108a5f53b5e91831471f207ea0a2986ca48&

[strange vine]

lmao yeah

[quick plinth]

another thing to consider

in the long ass EULA sony reserves the right to terminate accounts that arent made in the actual country of the user.

PSN doesnt support a lot of the countries that currently exist in the world.

meaning people who wish to play are likely to either be locked out or risk their accounts getting suspended

[pure wave]

The real illuminates were always right under our nose

[quick plinth]

people who mind you, bought the game on steam while PSN wasnt required

this shit sounds so illegal

[pure wave]

Just sounds like an ass move on Sony's part, and they ought to roll it back

[strange vine]

i think this is not likely to happen given anecdotal testimonials from people who've put the wrong country and been fine for years or even a decade, but whats most likely to happen is if the PSN account has any issues you wont be able to get customer support about it

[strange vine]

and this is definitely a massive problem

[cobalt patrol]

It's arse on sony's aprt. it is again, entirely on sony and not anything arrowhead has control over

[strange vine]

its sony wanting to pad their PSN numbers for shareholders

once again corporate bullshittery fucking over good games

[heady halo]

hopefully eu stuff will be able to force some kind of action, as there are pretty stringent eu laws on this (that contributed to steams refund policy) and helldivers has been sold in some eu countries where psn is NOT available (like the baltics)

[junior badge]

I expect that won't hold up, because the Steam page always said it was required. It just wasn't enforced in the game.

[glacial light]

It's illegal per the GSDB according to reddit armchair lawyers so EU will be all over that if they don't allow refunds for suddenly effectively bricking the game in certain countries.

Steam will likely have to allow refunds to those countries where you can buy helldivers 2 on steam but can't make a PSN account.

I hope it's true, another case of EU pro consumer laws fucking over big corporations trying to appeal to shareholders is great.

[strange vine]

like either sony permits those accounts to play without a psn account or steam issues refunds for it

[unreal merlin]

"damn there sure is a huge uptick in player population from [exempt region] huh"

[junior badge]

I can see that happening because Steam would like the good PR, but I would be very surprised if it's actually illegal.

[honest acorn]

GSDB? That doesn’t pull up anything relevant for me

[glacial light]

Steam has done refunds for games since like 2015 I believe is when something bad happened regarding and unplayable game and the EU forced steam to refund games if they wanted to operate in the EU and their refund policy since then has gotten very generous.

[glacial light]

Uh I don't remember the acryonym right then

[junior badge]

Did you mean GDPR? The data protection stuff?

I really don't see how that would come into play here, though.

[hot meadow]

I really wouldn’t assume this is true FWIW. Also GDPR.

[glacial light]

Ok I misinterpreted the comment I read, GDPR is correct and it would allow a case for legal action as it has a thing about collecting unnecessary user data thats unused for the product, such as what PSN accounts ask for. No solid evidence or case

The EU refund thing is basically steam will refund a game that doesn't work after its automatic refund policy ends (2 hours played or 2 weeks owned I believe) and that's been in effect for a long time but it's customer service based so you wait. But it's not the case for those who purchased from Sony

[mortal wing]

Required (psn account) yet actively sold in countries where it couldn't have been created.

[junior badge]

Yeah, that doesn't actually sound illegal. At worst that's gonna be in "you have to refund and Steam can claw the money back from Sony" territory.

But then, not a lawyer.

[heady halo]

eu customer protection laws have at least some teeth

[glacial light]

HD2 has been review bombed so i'm guessing Sony will take note hopefully.

[heady halo]

data protection laws too

the specific would be that the steam listing said "psn account required" but in game it let you skip that with no information that it would be required later

[glacial light]

Oh reddit lies to me again

It's gone down in reviews

[heady halo]

leading to people buying the game under false pretenses as it was sold in eu countries where you could not make a psn account

[junior badge]

Right, but I don't see them nuking mandatory PSN accounts entirely - which is what this would do. Because if your data protection argument is that PSN asks for too much information for HD2, that means it asks for too much info for any game, and suddenly PSN accounts aren't valid at all.

I just don't see that happening.

[heady halo]

those people COULD make "fake" psn accounts for themselves in different countries but that would be requiring them to break the contract rules to abide by the contract rules

oh no i didnt say anything about nuking mandatory psn

the likliest result is just required refunds for eu citizens in countries where the game was available but the account neccesery to play the game isnt available

[junior badge]

Yeah, agreed.

[heady halo]

the best likely result would be a specific rollback for the eu not needing psn accounts, or a similar alteration so eu countries could all get psn accsess or some such

[glacial light]

The "argument" the reddit post made, is that the product works fine without the extra information PSN asks for, and now they're asking for more without changing functionality. Idk how well that holds up.

[heady halo]

the desired unlikely but best i can see result is sony going "okay we wont require a psn account if your country doesnt have psn accsess"

[junior badge]

Sony will say "oh sorry, AH/we fucked up in setting up the Steam store page, we'll restrict that post-haste to match where PSN is available and refund the others" and that'll be it, is my expectation - if they get any official scrutiny at all.

[heady halo]

but eu court cases take time anyway

otherwise, just gotta yell about it in visible places

as this affects a LOT of people

psn accounts are only available in something like 1/3 of the worlds countries