Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[winter stone]

wait your telling me I dont have to kill everything on the map?

[dusky solar]

XD

The worst is when you want to stealth an objective and you're sneaking around to control sight lines and one of your teammates just wants to go fast

I'm so bad at going fast lol

[winter stone]

for real though I need to get better at picking fights because I fire my autocannon at anything that has a higher subjectivity than a rock regardless of distance. learn something new everyday

[turbid tapir]

you can give them the juice when every robot in the patrol goes 👁️ 👄 👁️
before then let em cook

[graceful bluff]

Best tip at going fast is learning the stealth ranges

[short rune]

Can we all please agree to aid the person whoever is currently luring Hulks into their directions so their back is exposed?

[unreal merlin]

Sorry champ, best they can do is run in the exact wrong direction so that they never see the back vent no matter how far you kite the hulk.

[short rune]

Yeah. I see that all the time with randos

Same with tanks and even when I ping them

[shy prairie]

such is the random lobby life

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> New major order: Kill over 2 billion terminids. Anyone wanna come kill some buggles?

[hexed steeple]

wait fr?

[shy prairie]

K2BT

[cobalt patrol]

I am not kidding.

[stone bridge]

K2BT

[rotund marten]

I can shoot bugs momentarily, let me just get something to eat

[stone bridge]

lmfao

[quartz cloak]

You can tell Joel's running out of ideas

[stone bridge]

Sure I can jump in

[stone bridge]

Ccaan you?

This is a pretty classic objective and it's cool

[cobalt patrol]

I assumed Shogun was joking, honestly

[stone bridge]

Fair call if so

[quartz cloak]

50/50, this is a new one, but it feels a bit like buying time for something else

[junior badge]

I mean, buying time by shifting focus to the bugs after a bunch of bot objectives is still a cool thing.

[rotund marten]

Time to try that heavy machine gun that got added a bit ago

[junior badge]

They should do that regularly, imo.

[rotund marten]

I still need a bunch of SC for the new warbond but honestly we're approaching the point where I've put so many hours in I might just buy some

not like the game hasn't earned it

[cobalt patrol]

Going by the leaks there's a ton of stuff coming down the pipe

but i'd rather they take their time

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, they have a concerningly growing list of 'known issues'

And that's not getting into the weapon balance which is
All over the place

[cobalt patrol]

They also have a very tiny dev team relative to the absoloute massive scale of the game

and other issues

and frankl;y, i think weapon balance is very solid

tehre's what? the railgun needs a bit of love, some of the marksman rifles are a bit awkard, the scythe could use a touch up

[quartz cloak]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh
Okay, everything that's not a Marksman Rifle is fairly solid.

[cobalt patrol]

and frankly, the scope misalignment issue is going to be hurting MMR perfoamnce a ton

[royal lantern]

Yeah, they've admitted that they're prioritizing new content rather than bug fixing/balancing which I suppose I understand for a small team this early in a games life cycle

[cobalt patrol]

They've also said they're hiring morep eople and have been since the game blew up

but you dont get to just dump new people in and gain prodcutivity just like that

[royal lantern]

Yeah it takes time for everyone to get integrated and trained.

I'm not really worried about the bug situation just yet

[cobalt patrol]

and, like, i'm just going to beat on this drum again: GAME DESIGN IS NOT SIMPLE.

The wacky bugs i have seen in a cardgame rogulike

and that was a much simpler, constrained space, with a codebase done by a single guy (meaning he knew his own code base)

[tiny flume]

You should see some of the stuff I see, and that's just map issues

[cobalt patrol]

and i still made the game do things like give me a card that was -1.

It's name was -1, it's rule text was -1, and it rapidly cycled between every possible card color and card frame

weridly, it was playable.

[stone bridge]

I'll put emphasis on Arrowhead being a double A team at best experiencing a monolithic confluence of success and trying to tread water to keep up

[cobalt patrol]

...it give you -1 block.

[rotund marten]

Well, that makes some kind of sense at least

[cobalt patrol]

Or the "Exscuse me, what hte fuck" bug i found

where a very very specific ocmbiantion of triggers going off at the same time negated a bunch of negative effects while giving me all the postive effects

[rotund marten]

I have no idea what I'm doing in StS, after a while I just randomly throw cards at the Defect and watch him spit out lightning everywhere

[cobalt patrol]

And again, this is a card game roguelike. no physics engine, had a combat log to enable easy parasing of what just happened etc

[cobalt patrol]

Wrong character, but:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1210476444786884608/1230114719021404180/image.png?ex=6632249b&is=661faf9b&hm=8b0ab80c01eb3086d6882b60fb93c6b975c2bf50b479e1083f8c469218dc15ab&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=827&height=536

thisishowyouwinatdefecthonest

Defect has the best scaling in the game, but you have to figure out how to get it online fast enough, is defect's main issue

if you can figure that out then everyones' favourite non-bionary robot pal tends to eradicate the edifice

[hearty sleet]

Likely a very good break from fighting an onslaught of bots.

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway @stone bridge @rotund marten just waiting on you folks

[stone bridge]

just finishing something rq

[naive dragon]

I wish it was six billion terminids

funny reference etc

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> We got room for 1 more to spill -oil- bugguts

[orchid pulsar]

ill be there

give me 10 min

[quick plinth]

for a second I thought you were making a KSBD refrence

[orchid pulsar]

bout

[unkempt river]

T^T

I wish I didn't have work :(

[merry cosmos]

So apparently Sweeden was the one who first formed super earth

[naive dragon]

I was 😭

[blissful sparrow]

Yes, Its literally SE

[quick plinth]

I was talking about what penguin said

[naive dragon]

Ah

[quick plinth]

ah

[naive dragon]

Sweden Earth
The truth They didn't want us to know

[merry cosmos]

I don't know if I should laugh at this

[modest fiber]

gyat damng

[naive dragon]

My brain is just turning the "it was just Ohio" meme into Sweden

[sinful bay]

E-Excuse you?

[naive dragon]

With the astronauts

[modest fiber]

time to pull out the flamenwerfers and start cooking

[sinful bay]

It I kill the bugs with fire, does that destroy the E-710 in their body?

[naive dragon]

🤔

[sinful bay]

If not
Time for the Naphal, flame mines and Flamer

[naive dragon]

Genghis Divers 2

[sinful bay]

And...I guess the Eruptor? We don't have a primary with fire dmg yet

[naive dragon]

The incendiary breaker isn't awful

[blissful sparrow]

I want a freezethrower

[naive dragon]

I don't really use it because I'm a bots guy but

Oh yeah a cryo gun would be dope

[sinful bay]

Oh right I completely forgot about it

[naive dragon]

You are become flame

[blissful sparrow]

me, when i'm within 100m of a scorcher

[quick crown]

Driller player

[naive dragon]

Shame there's no very safe asbestos suit armor

[quick crown]

[sinful bay]

I wish the latest warbound gave us C4

[quick crown]

I would love a smart gun of anysort.

[blissful sparrow]

Signature look of Superiority Nothing going on behind my eyes at those words

[sinful bay]

WE'RE RICH

[naive dragon]

My brain goes to equipping the jump pack with the flamer and making StarCraft firebats

[sinful bay]

I love their drip

[quick crown]

My lockon weapon sucks currently so maybe not though

[azure pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898

[quick crown]

Imagine a smartgun that only locked onto 3 out of 10 enemies

[blissful sparrow]

well, 1 of those would be another helldiver

[quick crown]

I'll stop my SPEAR complaints for today thank you for your time

[naive dragon]

Sadly I liked scout in drg and got bullied for it

[azure pewter]

On the one hand yea on the other grappling hook and boometang is neat

[naive dragon]

I'm out here tryna light up the room for my buds and use the funny grappling hook and I'm getting teamkilled over a meme, kinda killed my desire to play it

[sinful bay]

It better be 86222

[naive dragon]

But I'm doing pretty okay at this one

[sinful bay]

no yeah, when it comes to that point, is better to talk to them to stop

[azure pewter]

I don’t speak fighting game but I do believe that it should be ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️

[naive dragon]

Congrats you do speak fighting game

[sinful bay]

exaaaactly

[azure pewter]

Nah it’s just the only 3 of same thing other than airburst

[naive dragon]

If they added a dragon punch to helldivers I would be so fucked

[blissful sparrow]

Worms Dragonpunch or Martial Arts Dragonpunch?

[sinful bay]

Punish the Hulk that's lacking with a 6236

[naive dragon]

623s in fighting games when they encounter my thumb:

[sinful bay]

Tho honestly to do a dragonpunch you only need to 626 quickly

[azure pewter]

Something something frame advantage command grab perfect parry I frames then the charger explodes

[sinful bay]

OH BOY DID YOU SAID GRAB?!

[naive dragon]

HD also lets me input as separate things instead of sliding my hand around trying to speedbag my keyboard

[sinful bay]

I sure love to

[naive dragon]

Though I'm getting better at inputting my funny strategems faster

[sinful bay]

Same, is fun

[blissful sparrow]

i'm tempted to setup one of those voiceactivation tools

"I'm not gonna sugarcoat it"
500kg bomb

[naive dragon]

I hope more games use the arrow key thing in future I'm not gonna lie

I loved it in HD1 and was sad when nothing else did it

[azure pewter]

Let my mech stomp if timed right yeet chargers over the horizon and it does a smash bros off screen explosion effect

[naive dragon]

Imagine a game where that's how your wizard does spells yanno, gotta open the cast thing and do a little DDR

[blissful sparrow]

yeah... imagine if arrowhead made a game about wizards casting spells based entirely on their input combinations...

[naive dragon]

You ever just have a bunch of buried memories flood into your brain all at once

[north fiber]

Lmao

[blissful sparrow]

yeah, they do make me wanna go back to a friend and strangle him for casting a rain spell before throwing out a lightning

[naive dragon]

Lmfao

Don't make me hope for a new Magicka

🤔 though now I'm wondering how many other ideas I've had that are just

Things I already saw somewhere else a long time ago and forgot

[blissful sparrow]

all of them

its all i do, steal ideas and make a mixtape of them that looks dope

[naive dragon]

😌 Hopefully I'll remember more things I stole ideas from

So I can go have fun with those things again

[blissful sparrow]

i spent like 3 years back in school to read like a book a day. And now i just got infinite ideas to mash up for stories

[sinful bay]

Time to become a Game Master :3

[blissful sparrow]

the purple just hides my yellow 😄

[naive dragon]

Please no I was a permaGM for ten years I don't want to go back

[sinful bay]

I know how it is
My group foreverGM got tured so our Pathfinder 2e game is on hold

So now we are playing Kingdom Death Monster , since is a GM-less tabletop

[blissful sparrow]

i am actually living in GM hell tbh

a few years ago a friend wrote me if i couldn't GM for her and her friends

i said yes

followed by all of them enjoying it so much they wanted to try GMing too

i do not get to GM anymore for that group cause there isn't enough sessions in a year for all of us to GM the campaigns we want to play

[sinful bay]

It's like a drowning man watching someone die of thirst

While the other two people that mgiht GM is
"Bipolar person that one week is super mega hyped to GM and then it becomes a chore for them"
And
"Too Depressed/distracted to start writing"

[merry cosmos]

K2BT

[sinful bay]

SO BACK TO HELLDIVERS 👏
I unlocked the crossbow, felt weak, how to use it

[glacial light]

Don't, embrace Eruptor

[sinful bay]

I did
Then I shot myself point blank

[merry cosmos]

And get sucked forward

[glacial light]

Serious answer idk

[sinful bay]

Honestly when I unlock the Sickle I feel i will enjoy the eruptor more

[merry cosmos]

For some reason

[glacial light]

I want to like the Eruptor and building entirely around it

But sickle is so much less hassle

[sinful bay]

When I have the Eruptor in my hands I feel I am trying too hard
Like
"You are bad at sniper, you just want to feel cool"

[glacial light]

I use it more like a long distance GL launcher

[sinful bay]

lies, that's me with the ballistic shield, I don't like the defender but I love the drip of Fortified Commando + Ballistic Shield

[glacial light]

Aim at the ground near 3 enemies and they all die

[glacial light]

I simply choose not to die ever

[sinful bay]

And I swear the shield worked against a melee attack yesterday

[glacial light]

Big if true

Berserkers can eat shield

[steady flame]

I wanna get the new battle pass too, but I don't have the SC for it. :<

[tall stone]

The good news is that it'll still be there when you do have the SC

[sinful bay]

The new battlepass in all honesty is just fun, but nothing game breaking

There is no Stun Grenade or Sickle there, if that makes sense

[short rune]

I really like the new weapons at least.

Judy and Eruptor

[sinful bay]

I need to test the Judy honestly

It didn't felt exciting to unlock as the others

We need buckshot big Iron next

[candid finch]

I have experienced the hilariousness of the eruptor's reverse blowback

[steady flame]

Blow..forwards?

Look I dunno.

[candid finch]

If you fire it at someone close enough it sucks you forward towards the blast

[steady flame]

Funky.

[hollow plover]

The scorcher does the same

I think it's because there's not enough damage going into you to knock you backwards

Just sets you to ragdoll

[candid finch]

The scorcher usually kills me by accident more

[steady flame]

Is the Scorcher any good?

[hollow plover]

It's one of the best weapons against bots

[candid finch]

I really love it for killing shield striders

It also utterly destroys vents

[hollow plover]

Yeeee

[steady flame]

Ooh.

I made the mistake of bringing a Flamethrower to a Lv.6 bug mission. To the Quasar Cannon!

[candid finch]

Not too good for bugs because it'll explode you if you shoot someone too close

[hollow plover]

And there ain't enough ammo to go around

So many damn small gribblies

It does however clean out any of the mid-sized bugs well enough

Shield bugs cry and bile spewers die

[candid finch]

Honestly thinking on it, the scorcher is a smaller faster eruptor

But it does less damage and less splash area

[naive dragon]

Sometimes that happens just because I'm crouched

[ionic holly]

Crossbow and plasma punisher have the same issues last i checked
its

really weird.

[naive dragon]

I don't get it but it is definitely funny

[ionic holly]

It also fucks with on e of the tricks i had with plasma punisher

So i would use the plasma punisher to actively knock myself away in a hairy spot cause i have learned the safety distance on it intimately

But
now i cant

[naive dragon]

The eruptor is however extremely funny to use on devastators

[hexed steeple]

it's rather devastating for them

[naive dragon]

And now I'm using stalwart to clear chaff when it's no- pffff

Stalwart on low rpm is surprisingly easy to handle

I mainly just turn it up for zerks

[sinful bay]

So your loadout is Eruptor - secondary- stalwart ?
What you usually run for stratagems?

[cobalt patrol]

BOOO BOOO BOOOOO

[sinful bay]

Are you going to PunishER for it?

[hexed steeple]

you don't have the authority to adjudicator my puns

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, you really shouldnt let me mod, i would be a terror to all and any punners

[sinful bay]

You could say you would make a big Impact on us as a mod

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Bug time

[strange vine]

found on Something Awful

[sinful bay]

Which difficulty you think would be best to kill the most bugs as possible per mission?

[kindred lintel]

the higher the better honestly

[tall stone]

Well, lots of bugs show up in general.

[kindred lintel]

ive had 800 kill games on 8, not including the 200 each from others

[tall stone]

Every mission is gonna stack up bug bodies by virtue of how bugs operate

[tired crystal]

ya you're gonna get more bugs than bots on any given mission difficulty

just keep plugging away at what you're comfortable with, available supply ain't gonna be the bottleneck

[tall stone]

The bad news is that we might have to go back to Hellmire

[modest fiber]

i just realised that i didn't get the group pings.. then i noticed i didn't have the tags for it.. rip

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> more bugs

[glad marsh]

NOOOOOO

[modest fiber]

its sauna time

[hollow plover]

Fight the fauna in the sauna

[modest fiber]

kek

[south temple]

damn i’m out of town just when it’s time to go bug hunting again

sadge

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> uno mas

[keen zinc]

I am home from grocery shopping

[graceful bluff]

I found a crate with two stalwarts earlier btw

[keen zinc]

God's chosen warrior

[naive dragon]

I will do some bug runs later if only because it is our duty

[undone veldt]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLPbydW3/

It’s really annoying TikTok embeds just don’t work anymore

[pastel igloo]

vx

[naive dragon]

You mean you don't want to solve two captchas to see the second half of a muted video?

[undone veldt]

Nah it doesn’t work

I put VX, said it failed to get the video data

So I just put it back as a normal link so at least y’all can just click on it and be taken to the video

[south temple]

i love making kill six billion _____ jokes they’re so funny

[tall stone]

Finally got the eruptor

Good god, it whips

[glacial light]

With guard dogs it's actually usable on bugs

The AoE is wild kind of wild for a primary

Against bots it's easy to get 3 kills at once and solo a dropship that has troopers

[cobalt patrol]

It's not a perfect weapon, but it is very good

[glacial light]

Its fun and refreshing so I've been trying to make it work since I've been burned out on sickle

It's like a stronger slower scorcher or a weaker autocannon/AMR hybrid but primary

Also I've been 200m scope pilled

I will say fuck this fabricator and destroy a base from spawn if it's angled slightly towards me

[strange vine]

devastator and rocket devastator

[idle hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497294084348575754/1230574801190391859/image.png?ex=6633d117&is=66215c17&hm=bd34bf1c096ddbafbcbd5880532ca61a3ba294bea7a9e6ea4d129ce544a8947e&

what the HELL

[tall stone]

There's a lotta bugs

[glacial light]

Oh shit

Are you telling me we gonna be killing 2 million bugs in a day

Actually hold up is that 2 billion?!

[primal river]

yeah 2 billion

it has been up for less than a day and we're already half way there

[copper crest]

Goal should've been 3 times that

[heady halo]

GOOD LAORD

[primal river]

Is anybody playing currently?

[tall nova]

Its gonna be done before I get home today

[strange vine]

yeah this is also like, before prime time

i think they vastly underestimated how bugs players can kill lol

[fringe quiver]

On avg, per single mission, per player

350 bugs yeah?

[glad marsh]

Ye
That's what all the KSBD jokes are all about lmao

[strange vine]

OMG
https://vxtwitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1780984486710145272

[tall nova]

Killing bugs is easy. Give me a mortar sentry, cluster eagle, and a grenade launcher and I'll be able to kill hundreds

Will I succeed in the mission? Who knows. But a lot of bugs will die

[heady halo]

a team build on mesium high difficulty and just. never close a breach and you can hit 500 a mission with zero sweat

[tall stone]

Funnily enough, this has made randos happier to wait too

[hazy oriole]

wait how do you avoid closing a breach?

[alpine seal]

NO WAY

[naive dragon]

Ya way

[glacial light]

You can close breaches?

[wide zenith]

<@&1206091872716595200> Hello! I'll be in the HA hangout if anyone wants to play a mission or two.

[wide zenith]

First I've heard of this as well!

[alpine seal]

bug breaches or bug holes

[glacial light]

I feel like I've thrown everything on bug breaches and they still spawn

[alpine seal]

might be referring to farming those

[glacial light]

That would make more sense

[wide zenith]

so, is anyone available for a helldive?

[orchid pulsar]

In a hour and a half maybe

Im on my way home rn

[wide zenith]

ah; gotcha.

[heady halo]

you are meant to throw a grenade or explosive on them to close them asap. so not doing that they will keep spawning bugs to a max value

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> its time to do your part

[strange vine]

you sure thats how that works? cause people have thrown so many explosives on a bug breach and its never ended it early

[heady halo]

i mean theres a hole tutorial for that?

[strange vine]

bug holes are the only ones that can close

no those are the nest bug holes

bug breaches are unstoppable

[modest fiber]

just plug that hole

[heady halo]

huh

[glacial light]

Bug breaches are when small bugs emit the orange smoke and they pop out of the ground

Bug holes are the ones in the nests

[modest fiber]

ram a 500kg in there, its gonna take care of it.. most of it

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1c71c2m/spear_needs_a_nerf/

[hot meadow]

I throw grenades and use the GL and whatnot all the time and nothing closes breaches, so I think the confusion is just breaches vs holes

[wide zenith]

There wouldn't happen to be any people helldiving at the moment whom I could join, would there? <@&1206091872716595200>

[oblique hazel]

looks like theres a group going that might have some room

[hazy oriole]

is superior packing methodology still broken?

[quick plinth]

yes

[glacial light]

Um actually if you read the superior packing methodology its an 8 week training course and it's been less than 8 weeks since it's been released so it's lore accurate that it's not working /s

[burnt vapor]

Will probably be broken till Tuesday at the soonest

[glacial light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426286410925080576/1230647677004288160/new_order.webp?ex=663414f6&is=66219ff6&hm=d2eaea4ee7f739622c20292767eeb5c7f89b32bb80fdd4cb90c777a11b07b648&

[burnt vapor]

The fact we’re almost done in like a day is crazy

They told us to be violent and by god are we good at following orders

[hazy oriole]

damn
does the dot bug apply to all DOT, including stuff like breaker incin and incin grenades?

[idle hollow]

JUST DO WHAT COMES NATURAL - T

[hazy oriole]

i love fire builds but it seems pointless to run 'em till they fix it

[idle hollow]

they really thought it'd take a week

[rapid plover]

lmao

[glacial light]

Goddamn

It might be done by the time I login

[hexed steeple]

had a weird bug i've never had before today. pelican landed for extract but the moment the first boarded it said 'nah fuck it', skipped the timer and left

[glacial light]

Yes for now, it's inconsistent because it depends on your connection to the host of the game

[idle hollow]

it's already done

[glacial light]

And if you like start the game as a host if you're playing with other other you might not be the network host since it's dependent on who has the best internet so that's not even a solution

[strange vine]

Apparently theres a bug where the MO is counting the entire squad's kill count for each individual member, so if your 4 person squad kills 1000, it counts each person contributing 1000 for a total of 4000. Still, even if its only 1/4th the stated kill count thats still what, 500 million in a day before NA prime time? Would still go super fast

[unreal merlin]

Even if this is true, which I don't doubt, I choose to believe that Super Earth issued an order to kill a seemingly unbelievable number of bugs and the Helldivers collectively said "cowabunga it is"

[strange vine]

Yeah its a fun narrative hehe

[copper crest]

500 million in a half-day is still in cowabunga territory TBH

[tall stone]

Yep!

"Go get fuel for your Super Destroyers, Helldivers."
"Say fuckin' less."

Also, <@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up to playing?

[winged hearth]

mayb in a bit

[tall stone]

Fair.

I'll be in HORUS Hangout.

[keen zinc]

we did a blitz with 6 mins left on the clock exactly and didntr get the achievement

[copper crest]

05:59.99 left 😔

[oak crow]

sad i'll be missing this major order

been a while since i fought bugs

mostly been doing bots these days

[glacial light]

I still can't believe that canonically we kill 2 billion terminids in less than 24 hours

[copper crest]

Also when you think about it, it's in character to inflate pad your kill counts 'just a bit'...

[glacial light]

You know what'd be funny is if they sent out like a major order news announcement that we broke all 710 resource quotes for the next 100 years of war and we get a pizza party (maximum 1 slice per helldiver, enforced by the threat of treason and death)

[modest fiber]

at least sounds accurate

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1c7jkez/mr_hulk_got_jumped_by_3_helldivers_in_maltare/

now THIS is me

[winged hearth]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up for a session?

[unreal merlin]

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[tall stone]

Got to do the most rad kill with my friends on a Factory Strider.

All three of hell just dropped into its area first. All three of us hit it with hellpods.

Cried out "FOR SUPER EARTH" and all three of us threw precise orbital strikes on top of it.

[keen zinc]

i fucking love precision strikes

i killed 3 bile titans with them today

[tall stone]

They are truly glorious.

[burnt vapor]

Precision strikes are very solid

[strange vine]

looks like the supply lines have been connected between the current bot space and old bot space via Matar Bay

[keen zinc]

matar bay is key in blocking the automaton movement

[stone bridge]

Not a huge precision fan myself

[keen zinc]

it must fall

[alpine seal]

just 10 more planets until they get back to the creek. thats their end goal. the creek

cyberstan was just a distraction

[cerulean sluice]

widening the front means factions are less likely to be pushed out

[keen zinc]

we must halt them

THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE

AND NO FURTHER

[oblique hazel]

I do hope the bots get at least one planet in the ymir sector

the fact that they occupied 3 of the sectors around it when they reappeared but didn't bother to take the one that has their name in it on the map has bothered me since they popped back up

[north fiber]

Ah yes, the true meta

Taking the right regions so your name on the map is bigger

[cobalt patrol]

Nono, it's taking sectors so your name is less legible.

Anyweay <@&1206091872716595200> who feels like spilling some oil?

[unkempt river]

Give me 15?

Maybe longer

[oblique hazel]

I can hop on in like 5-10

[stiff pine]

I can play

[short rune]

You folks already completed the 2 billion extermination?

[cobalt patrol]

Sure did

[unkempt river]

Closer to 20 from this message, sorry

[cobalt patrol]

@unkempt river All good!

[short rune]

Oh my

[cobalt patrol]

@stiff pine Well get in the voice chat! We got b ots to shoot!

[short rune]

That was fast

[cobalt patrol]

ONLY WE CAN SAVE SOCIAL MEDIA

[stone bridge]

The funniest thing ever would be if the inflated numbers were deliberate

To use as propaganda

[glacial light]

Works as IRL propaganda for the game if games journalist make articles about 2 billion terminids and get more players to play

[hazy oriole]

what's the ttk for the laser cannon on cannon turret vents?

ive been giving it a try lately and liking it

[graceful bluff]

I knew they shoulda done 6 billion terminids :v

[hearty sleet]

According to this video, roughly 2.50 sec
https://youtu.be/fw_ocG_l-SM?feature=shared&t=1400

A tutorial on the Lasers | Helldivers 2

[short rune]

Kill 2 billion bugs within a couple hours but still didn't manage to take back Hellmire. ^^

Comedic

People seem to avoid that planet as much as they can

[hearty sleet]

I looked up which planet Hellmire was...

Fire Tornados: Planet is ravaged by deadly fire tornados.
Genuinely lives up to it's name with those awful fire tonados.

[short rune]

We took back Menkent twice within the same time.
Also fire tornados just with bots.
Granted it's really not a great biome to fight on, but people seem to avoid it as much as possible.

You can do a great job and still botch the evacuation because all four fire tornadoes decide to engulf the landing zone

But I ranted about that one already. They really missed the opportunity to include a fire-resistant armour in the new warbonds

[graceful bluff]

The problem is that it's not as bad against bots, because bots don't rush you down

so fire tornados constantly locking off retreats isn't as bad

[short rune]

Thats a very good point

Though they also block off cover

[oblique hazel]

they can also force you out of cover, which can be a huge pain

[short rune]

Especially when a turret and/or machine gun is targeting you

[oblique hazel]

I generally find the firenados to be worse on bots, since when they decide to chase you on bugs they have a tendency to also cook the bugs

[short rune]

Not sure if Bots even take damage from them, at least I never saw such

I mean. They should?

[oblique hazel]

they definitely can, but they're much less likely to walk into them like bugs do, since they're just generally less mobile

[pastel igloo]

Hellmire really is not that bad

people are making out to be way worse than what it is

[oblique hazel]

mhm I really despise the tornados

they absolutely should not fucking track to you like they do

[pastel igloo]

like, Fire Tornadoes are not the most fun thing ever

but Hellmire really is not that bad

[short rune]

They are still more fun than randomized airdrops

[fringe quiver]

the hellfire tonardos are sentient

[short rune]

They are definitely

I swear they are chasing players

[oblique hazel]

oh they absolutely do

[pastel igloo]

me personally, i'd dive

or die

you never know with fire

[oblique hazel]

I have watched one go from a seemingly normal path near me to swerving towards me and aggressively following me for the remainder of the time they were active

[pastel igloo]

it kills you so fucking quickly it's a 50/50 if you live or not

[oblique hazel]

I absolutely refuse to play on firenado planets now

[short rune]

You definitely die. Fire damage is super brutal in HD

[pastel igloo]

fire damage is obscenely brutal

it's honestly dumb

[short rune]

I think they even buffed it recently.

[pastel igloo]

fucking why

did they make Helldiver armor out of fucking extra flammable material or something

[short rune]

Back when it was easier to set yourself on fire with flamethrowers it did way less damage

[pastel igloo]

it doesn't make any godsdamn sense

it's literally like, one of my only gripes with the game

[oblique hazel]

they keep buffing fire because noone is using it

but people aren't using it because of the dot bug

[short rune]

I definitely use it for bugs.

[pastel igloo]

walking over some fire while covered in space armor should not lead to death within a second if you don't immediately jump on the ground to put it out

unless Super Earth makes all Helldiver armor out of special ultra-flammable materials

[stone bridge]

It's really not that bad if you just ingrain the dive reflex

[pastel igloo]

it really is imo

if you can't dive you literally just die and you can do nothing about it

[short rune]

Flamethrowers dont pool as much napalm as they used to

[stone bridge]

You instantly die to dozens of things in this game

I genuinely don't see the issue

[pastel igloo]

yes but the difference between some fire on the ground which is barely visible and getting mauled to death by an enormous bug, hitting your head on a rock at mach speed or getting turned to ash by a bot rocket is significant

me accidentally walking a little bit too close to some fire which i can barely see and have to dive or immediately die is not the same as getting sent flying and immediately dying on impact

[short rune]

Bot machine-guns still kill you in less than a second when you don't deal with them, no matter which difficulty

[pastel igloo]

or a bot shooting me

or a bug mauling me

[short rune]

Not to ignore the insta-kills from Titans and Hulks

[oblique hazel]

most hulks don't even have instakills though

the only one that does is the fire one

[pastel igloo]

my enemies actively trying to murder me is not the same as me stepping a toe in an area with fire and having to put it out or immediately perish

environmental hazards are fine but fire kills you comically fucking fast

[oblique hazel]

you can also deal with enemies, and see them at distance under most circumstances

[pastel igloo]

that too

most of the time i take fire damage unwittingly is cause i walked towards an area that looked fine close to fire and it just, wasn't fine

[stone bridge]

[oblique hazel]

like, machine guns have relatively predictable static spawns, bile titans are huge and obvious, and both can be shot

[pastel igloo]

it makes sense that fire is bad but it's comically damaging to the point of absurdity atm

[fringe quiver]

Fire is bad cause particle effects aren't good enough for it to me

[honest acorn]

I’ve actually pretty much never ran into fire by mistake

Once or twice when running into the camera

[pastel igloo]

i've done it a bunch of time thinking it was fine because there was no fire where i was wanting to step

there was fire around it but not where i actually wanted to go

but as it turns out i still took damage and almost died

my only other complaint is sometimes stims just not being used when i press the button

though a lot of the times i also end up saluting when i mean to stim but that's a pure skill issue

does lead to some funnies where i am dying horribly and trying to heal and i just salute Super Earth instead and have to dive for my life and try to stim

fun game

have gripes with basically all games anyway

[hazy oriole]

yeah flame hulks feel kinda bullshit to deal with when they sneak up on you and you basically have to constantly run from them

[pastel igloo]

flame hulks are the worst

i don't even try to kill them usually

i just sprint in the other direction

[short rune]

Since I rarely manage to circle around them I try to make them face their backside to my team.

Which doesnt help when everyone ignores it ^^

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> Managed Democracy Does Not Sleep! Do You?

(This is a to-play ping)

[orchid pulsar]

Yeah I'll bee there

[stone bridge]

bee

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> if you dont join ill sic the democracy officer on you/j

[unkempt river]

(sic)

[sinful bay]

I love how the 2 billion bug mission was done when I came back to work

[heady halo]

https://www.tumblr.com/swordoftheberserkgutsrage/627002372650156032?source=share

[tall stone]

Having seen the Hellmire conversation earlier, what makes it so uniquely miserable to deal with is simple: High Heat, Fire Tornados, and Bugs combined is the worst.

Bugs require a lot of repositioning usually, and will hard punish you if you stay still too much. The high heat already makes it so you can't run as much, the bugs slow you, and the tornados are just the cherry on top.

[glacial light]

I prefer bugs when it comes to fire tornados, you're always moving with bugs and so just moving away from fire tornados while avoiding the swarm is usually not bad unless you're supposed to be an objective and it's surrounded by fire tornados on the terminal.

Bots you want to stay in cover and it's annoying when a fire tornado decides to beeline you when you're hiding from like heavy devs or hulk bruiser that will murder you if you peek out

Unless it's bugs and fire tornados on those maps with tall cliffs and it's not a wide open field then that's awful but I'd say that's still awful with bots

[tall stone]

Bots also want you to flank them though. You don't have to stay in cover. Thanks to shotgun, I usually do wind up going around bots to shoot them while they're focused on other folks.

Bugs also have a nasty habit of coming from every direction at once at times.

Which means "Welp, guess I'm diving headfirst into enemies to not die from the fire" way too often.

Bots will kinda stop in surprise with that for a second.

[keen zinc]

bug nests also generally take longer to clear than bot fabs

[tall stone]

For sure.

I can throw one precision orbital at a bot fab, and that light outpost is handled.

I have to go in there to close all the bug holes.

[cobalt patrol]

What's rudest is you can't even rely on a 380 because the shape of bug nests plays poorly with the direction shells come from sometimes

[quick plinth]

if I press the heal button I should heal

[strange vine]

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[cobalt patrol]

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[glacial light]

Imagine having a high enough citizen rank for a pet, couldn't be me

[glad marsh]

Get on the citizen grind, surely you'll get enough exp eventually

[cobalt patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1c7cxhy/always_be_on_the_lookout_for_bot_spies_oc/

[cobalt patrol]

new MO: Defend 10 planets across both fronts

[strange vine]

10 planets in 5 days

[honest acorn]

huh not 11 steps back helldivers

[glacial light]

Better Major Order: lose every planet but Super Earth

The "go touch grass" MO

[quick plinth]

the guard dog is more of a threat to the diver with it than the diver without

[quick crown]

"No my dog doesn't bite"
Me getting lasered for like 2 seconds solid

[honest acorn]

oh damn

[glacial light]

I like the gun rover actually, it doesn't friendly fire and does a nice job. It's annoying that it only reammos from supply boxes and not just like regular ammo boxes

[honest acorn]

Yeah its really annoying

[cobalt patrol]

My team needs to stop fighting very single thing of bots

and if you're gonna do that

i am begging you

please bring otehr guns than the qusaur

because the quasar is good but it cannot bloody duel devs.

and there's a limit to how well i can carry wit hteh autocannon ;.;

I'm good!

i aint that good

[glacial light]

I like the Eruptor for bots cause of how nicely it deals with devs and it has that juicy 200m scope even if it's wrong

[honest acorn]

The trajectory is so flat its not much of a problem since you can account for it ime

[glacial light]

Autocannon or laser cannon obviously deals with medium automatons better than Eruptor but I am currently Eruptor pilled

[glacial light]

I think it has sort of the AMR problem cause I struggle to hit at 100m+ and I'm not sure if it's cause the scope is misaligned or I'm bad at aiming with sway

[cobalt patrol]

I find at long distances i often have a better time with 3rd person

and using the circle

[honest acorn]

I'd hope a support weapon or support weapon which needs a backpack would handle things better than a primary haha

[honest acorn]

It has a LOT of sway

Makes it hard to use from long range from anything but prone

[glacial light]

Yea but I love Eruptor despite it being significantly worse for medium destroying, I actually use it as a primary and not like as secondary for medium enemies

[cobalt patrol]

@glacial light I think the eruptor is actualyl very good for med killing

[glacial light]

I did unlock grenade pistol and saw it does 600 damage?!

I'm gonna try a sickle/grenade pistol/quasar build (shocking I know) cause it seems grenade pistol would be great as a medium enemy destroyer

[cobalt patrol]

even if you miss a dev's head it'll often take an arm off etc

[glacial light]

It's great medium killing for a primary, and I just like the way it feels

[strange vine]

you actually wanna aim for the devastator's crotch, it guarantees a 1 shot every time ime

[hearty sleet]

I've seen a recent post showing it having the same offset ADS as the AMR (cyan scope problems).
https://imgur.com/a/1dzKyBt

[glacial light]

The vibes mind in me says to do Eruptor, grenade pistol, and quasar combined with gundog

The power gamer mind in me is crying at the thought of that

[cobalt patrol]

@glacial light Replace the quasar with the Laser cannon

and you have a really good build.

(i'd swap out gundog for Jetpack, but i like going WHEEE)

[glacial light]

I don't actually like the laser cannon, I struggle to aim on weakpoints with the scope at a distance

[honest acorn]

tbf with those other weapons the eruptor is probably your long range option

[dusky solar]

https://youtu.be/yUfOJYXWbTU?si=FryJTd1ZuFJ1tOm1
Excellent take: railgun is way overnerfed and reverting it mostly is a good idea.

That'll make it 2-shot chargers with overcharges, and 5/6-shot bile titans with overcharges. And it can clean up medium enemies in the meantime. The idea is that it goes back to being a jack of all trades that can help with heavies, without crippling your team to take it.

Especially now that it's no longer bugged with giga damage on ps5 xD

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, in that loadout i use the Eruptor as the long range option, and the laser cannon is my mid-to-close range cleanup. Part of the reason i take the jetpack?

I literally jetpack onto tanks and then laser them out of existence.

I would be very happy to see the Railgun get some of it's glory back.

[dusky solar]

So it'd primarily be a brood commander and devastator annihilator

I knew everyone would come around eventually :3

[glacial light]

I wish I was good at laser cannon, I see people take it and have a great time

[honest acorn]

Oh hell naw I'm not getting involved in another round of fuckin railgun discourse

[cobalt patrol]

Practice Sevens!

[glacial light]

Same with jetpack

[cobalt patrol]

I belive in you ❤️

I have fine motor skill issues and damaged nerves in my wrist! If i can do it, you can too!

TOO THE SKIES, DIVER!

[glacial light]

I don't really play a lot of HD2 like I did at launch unfortunately so I just play builds that I immediately vibe with

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, that's totally fair too

[glacial light]

My dreams of becoming Helldivers 2 MGL pro leet gamer gone

[hearty sleet]

idk how far you're using it, but I've heard stun grenades can help with the aiming part.

[cobalt patrol]

I do like my stims used; 30.

About 1 stin a minute.

[honest acorn]

Laser cannon clicked for me when I realized its the beam version of the machine gun

[cobalt patrol]

Stuns make everything better.

[honest acorn]

It just looks like an over the shoulder antitank weapon

[cobalt patrol]

That is explcitly it's design intent. They made it's ap etc better because it wasnt living up to what players expected from a laser cannon (Whcih, i think is fair)

[honest acorn]

It also sucked ass with the old pen values

[cobalt patrol]

It is incredibly good at clearin everything as long as you can hit the head.

oir other weakpoints

[tired crystal]

wait

[keen zinc]

it is time

[cobalt patrol]

Like hitting trooper chests? It takes like 5 seconds to kill. Hit the head? they die instantly.

[dusky solar]

The wave clearing potential of laser cannon is so good with eruptor if anyone's unaware. Huge synergy; you can fit a shield pack too to keep from getting sucked into enemies by close range explosions

[cobalt patrol]

I prefer the jetpack for hte mobility, and eradictor armor solves that, but also

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> new major order, patriots

[glacial light]

Like up to 50 to 75m?

[keen zinc]

we must protect our frontier

[glacial light]

So kind of long range near the end of grenade throwing distance on base armor

[sinful bay]

Which Rank is needed for a pet rock?

[modest fiber]

imagine having pets

[sinful bay]

With googly eyes...

[glad marsh]

What's the new order?

[glacial light]

Each eye must be requisitioned separately

[keen zinc]

#1204832579287519292 message

[modest fiber]

recently the major orders have been quite simple.. 🤔 they are up to something

[glacial light]

Of course it's simple we're winning the war on all fronts

[oak crow]

well, most people believe there’s a 3rd faction incoming

so that’s a possibility

[modest fiber]

this whole thing is quite sus.. then again am a paranoid fuck about everything so what do i know 🤷

[fringe quiver]

3rd faction?

I believe there's a 4th faction

This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is just getting ready to spread democracy even more

Because even if there isn't, it makes it easier to combat the enemies we have now

[dusky solar]

Well we know for sure there's a 3rd faction, idk if there will be a 4th tho

[glacial light]

They skip 4th and go to 5th faction

[modest fiber]

well the final boss is always your democracy officer

[hexed steeple]

joke’s on the officers, i’ll never live long enough to get in trouble with them

[glad marsh]

Oh geez

[modest fiber]

imagine expecting to life at all couldn't be me, my life for super earth

[turbid tapir]

gosh, rescue civi missions still are hell

[cobalt patrol]

We made Amko did Diff 8 bots

They surivved!

Ish.

[glad marsh]

I still haven't done anything above 7

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUdbH83N4Kw

me when i see 12 hulks

<@&1206091872716595200> gamers, we must kill

[strange vine]

we should be finishing off martale cause that will complete a defense order automatically

[tall stone]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-family-feud-kill-steve-harvey-kill-family-feud-kill-gif-21764693

[cobalt patrol]

It's why i was there on Diff 8!

[keen zinc]

yes

ROBORT ATTACK >:(
KILL

[tall stone]

As long as I don't have to go to fucking Hellmire

[hot meadow]

Completely agree

[keen zinc]

they need to give the HMG a crosshair

[glad marsh]

Will be joining once I get through my laundry

[dusky solar]

Yeah it got wayyyyy overnerfed. Having it annihilate midweight enemies and have poor but not useless performance vs heavies would be dope. I still don't think I'd ever take it but I could see it seeing play

[keen zinc]

make it grey and i'll use it

[lethal badger]

Have yall found any defense missions on medium difficulty

I wanted to run one last night but settled for striders instead

[hazy oriole]

how long do i gotta laser cannon a hulk arm to blow it off

[tall stone]

A bit.

[glad marsh]

aw no I missed helldiving with Amko :(

[sinful bay]

I argue the 360mm is the true team killer

[glad marsh]

my friend you are 20mm off

it's worse than 360mm shells

but they look pretty :D

[honest acorn]

I think cluster is worse than 380mm for teamkilling

Cluster comes in so fast

[glad marsh]

oh easily

it's so unpredictable too, the shrapnel can fly a lot farther than you realise sometimes

[tall stone]

The cluster is a teamkill champ

[glad marsh]

same goes for airburst, but that's at least a smaller blast radius

[tall stone]

The real play is to run both

[pastel igloo]

love cluster

[glad marsh]

380mm is pretty safe so long as you have good aim and actually tell people you're throwing it

[pastel igloo]

what's Helldivers without a bit of team killing

[tall stone]

This does not stop randos

[pastel igloo]

doesn't matter what kind of stratagem i'm running, i will be catching strays at some point

[glad marsh]

🤷

sometimes you just get unlucky and get a shitter, I guess

[tall stone]

Some people are determined to die

[glacial light]

My teammate somehow getting killed by an orbital railcannon

[pastel igloo]

look

if you die to an orbital railcannon

that's on you

you cannot POSSIBLY blame anyone but yourself

[glad marsh]

meanwhile in orbit
"Hmm that looks like an automaton doesn't it?"
"Yeah, I mean the stratagem beacon is right on top of them, fire away"

[glacial light]

I did have an orbital railcannon kill a teammate cause it decided to go after a pouncer that was my teammates feet

But it looked like it went from the charger right to the teammate

My Super Destroyer has decided my team is the biggest threat to me

[glad marsh]

They're not wrong

[tall stone]

They were running 380, cluster, tesla tower, and mortar

[glad marsh]

So funny thing
If you're prone you can't get shocked by the tower

While I'm not sure if it works for the arc thrower too, I wanna test it

[sinful bay]

Me begging for them to come to teh friendship door to let me open it

[honest acorn]

It can get you if you're prone

[glad marsh]

The thrower or the tower?

[honest acorn]

It's a Super Earth Ministry of Truth Fact that they won't ZOT you while prone

The tower

[keen zinc]

I have a earache

So am gonna lay down for a bit

[glad marsh]

Get well soon friendo, you earned it

[keen zinc]

It's not that serious

[glad marsh]

Goxgoxhocohc
Terrible
I must just have really good luck or something

[glad marsh]

Bah, don't downplay something that's making you need to lie down

[honest acorn]

I think it's a lot slower to or something?

I tried being prone with the shock proof armor and it shot eventually

[glacial light]

It doesn't target you directly but if an enemy gets targeted and you're in the way it'll zap you

[quick crown]

Yeah, Its just you'll never be the Initial target

But you WILL be the second or 3rd part of the chain

[cobalt patrol]

The Tesla Tower ability to vaporise things is great.

Poor @rotund marten got popped repeatedly the other day, it was great

[rotund marten]

the extra chaining upgrade is very strong but mildly dangerous

good fun though

[hazy oriole]

torn between laser cannon and AMR for my ballistic shield defender + senator build
Lascannon has great uptime, infinite ammo and I really enjoy blowing gunships, tanks and turrets up with it, but my performance with it against flame hulks and longer ranged targets is inconsistent, and I struggle even more against missile devs than usual

AMR can chunk the launchers right off of missile devs from a safe distance really easily, two shots Scout Striders, and theoretically can take care of Hulks (though I've yet to Git Gud at hitting their tiny weakspot) but the misaligned scope and lack of damage against heavier targets like Factory Striders or Gunships (I remember spending half my reserves from full just trying to take down one) make me hesitant to use it

[tall stone]

Cannon is nice for taking out missile dev faces and launchers

[supple siren]

AMR takes down a gunship in 4-5 shots to the engine

[tall stone]

As for Factory Striders, take out the chin lasers with AMR or Cannon

Other people can finish it

[wide zenith]

Open call for all <@&1206091872716595200> ! Send doods!

[hazy oriole]

i've found getting under it with the belly can actually be pretty consistent too, at least with the Cannon

[hazy oriole]

yeah, i just struggle to aim for those bits long enough before getting shredded by their rockets or their buddies right next to them

[cobalt patrol]

I would say Laser Canon, but the big issue I see there is you don't have any non grenade way to kill fabs.

Honestly I'd drop the senator for the Grenade pistol, then take stun grenades

[wide zenith]

Code is 5271-0731

[hazy oriole]

What about stratagems?

I run eagle airstrike and either railcannon or precision strike with this

[glacial light]

I hope they fix the AMR scope I do enjoy but I rely too much on the scope to use it long distance

I lost my killing floor instinct of knowing exactly where the center of the screen is

[cobalt patrol]

I don't like relying on strats to kill fabs/bug holes. They're something to extend my range of options, not my primary.

[honest acorn]

The AMR is at least easy to account for

You just use the notch to the upper left of the central reticule instead of the middle

[cobalt patrol]

My usual bot Loadout is some mix of 500kg, Precision strike and 380

[glacial light]

May I introduce you to our 600 damage lord and savior, grenade pistol

[honest acorn]

basically the upper left corner of the square

[hazy oriole]

Ah, that'll do it
I run eagle air almost exclusively and it's great for fabs

[honest acorn]

yeah eagle air strike is phenomenal for those

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/yQWSsMmeKa

TAKE MARTALE

Joel will give us the win on Charon if we cut it off by taking Martale

[honest acorn]

sweet

[keen zinc]

The bots offensive is huge and so large numbers of people need to concentrate on Martale

[tall stone]

Done and done

[keen zinc]

https://youtu.be/q0nRa93V7u8?si=BCiXTr7AEbC4Ehm9

[tired crystal]

i thought we'd be immune to the Gas Strike because of our helmets 💀

[keen zinc]

lmao

nah they work against bots so it has to be a hyper-reactive agent that is both toxic and caustic

[glacial light]

I think the flavor text says it caustic

Or corrosive

The plot twist would be that the automatons have lungs affected by toxins and the terminids are immune to toxins but weak to the corrosiveness of the gas

Good ol double subversion technique

[modest fiber]

accurate? i would add more explosions personally

[merry cosmos]

Inaccurate. Implies Rambo and naked snake are mutually exclusive

[honest acorn]

I’ll be real 7-9 is more like this

[stone bridge]

real

[tall stone]

That seems accurate.

[stone bridge]

If you're in a 4 you really can't avoid conflict past a certain point

[honest acorn]

Yeah stealth can be important but IMO aggression towards an objective to minimize time in contact is more important than trying to dodge every patrol

[glacial light]

I like 7 but it is a jump from 6 since like in 7 there's basically no peaceful moments and you're always fighting reinforcements from previous encounters and you really have to learn to fight and move towards the objective at the same time

All while trying to avoid aggro from other patrols trying to beeline you

I'm not a fan of 8 and 9 being a lot more focused on stealth and avoiding aggro in the first place I want to shoot and blow things up in a sensible way

[keen zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874793308407332917/1229876466922160204/image.png?ex=663146b7&is=661ed1b7&hm=29e4a18b3f8d3c73bf34de9474dbe4cffc82bc2b78a2f92f99cac1689793e166&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=405

<@&1206091872716595200> gamers

[merry cosmos]

Yes?

[shrewd tiger]

Join us

[keen zinc]

https://discord.gg/V3FjQPHx

[honest acorn]

IME it’s not really

You just need to tighten your formation a little and attack with coordination

[rare nymph]

I only go stealth on 9s if we’re trying to extract and were low on resources

[ebon kestrel]

finally,,,,

[pastel igloo]

for Super Earth

[modest fiber]

seems you are doing your part

[keen zinc]

you can get the helldivers role in #bot-stuff to be pinged for gamering

[ebon kestrel]

oh okie bet

[primal river]

if they added a 4th faction what color would it be?

[golden ledge]

Green

[glacial light]

Green but 4

[primal river]

green was what I was thinking too but it just bothers me that red yellow blue are primary colors and green isn't

[alpine seal]

in fairness there isn't a 4th primary color

so

[cobalt patrol]

Depends which color model you're using!

[alpine seal]

oh true

[glacial light]

CMYK

[quick plinth]

K isn't a color

[glacial light]

What do you mean

Isn't it a fancy word for black

[quick plinth]

black isn't a color nor is white

[keen zinc]

pedantry

[azure pewter]

unoriginal pedantry even

[gusty heron]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up to dive some hells? I have seen factory striders alive but I would love to see some dead.

[keen zinc]

i just got done for a bit

will be back in a bit later

[quick plinth]

it isn't pedantry, its just something you pick up when working in the fields that I do

[azure pewter]

pedantry about pedantry

[quick plinth]

whatever

[hazy oriole]

Don't be mean, fellas, she's trying to be helpful

[cobalt patrol]

Helldive diffuclt,y also known as "I cast hulk"

Fun though, and finally managed to down a factory strider by shooting it in it's stupid face

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUdbH83N4Kw

cresting a hill to find 12 hulks

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, it was great 😄

[stiff pine]

also <@&1206091872716595200> I require supersamples

[stone bridge]

I can join in a bit after lunch

[quick plinth]

@keen zinc

[oblique hazel]

I can play in like 30 or so minutes if y'all aren't full by then

[stone bridge]

Ready now

[stiff pine]

Just finished my mission

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> room for one more

[glacial light]

I play Airdrop! Which let's me summon a factory strider and 2 more airdrops then I play Airdrop which let's me a factory strider and 2 more airdrops...

[glad marsh]

sorry if I angered anyone with the last minute stratagem drop, I have a tradition of putting on a show when we leave.

[honest acorn]

who doesn't haha

[strange vine]

if the enemy is directly on the extraction point its usually too risky to be worth it lol

[glad marsh]

nono
everyone was already in the shuttle

we had cleared it out

[honest acorn]

I once needed to cluster strike the shuttle to make space to board

I was so worried I was gonna teamkill

But I got lucky and just killed 34 bugs and no helldivers

(Caught someone in the blast but they had ultraheavy armor and lived somehow)

[glad marsh]

but uh anyways, I'm genuinely sorry if I bothered anyone, I didn't mean to

[strange vine]

we might be able to get both Estanu and Oshaune tonight
Estanu is 1 hour off from success and theres still 8 hours left
if the Estanu players head to Oshaune next then it could be possible to succeed
would be a total of ~10% per hour and Oshaune's already 40%

[hazy oriole]

Are we still planning to gun for Martale?

[oblique hazel]

I don't really see why not to

last I checked it was 91% liberated

[keen zinc]

The player base is too splitn

Bot front is failing because of a lack of focus

Because casual players can't see supply lines

[supple siren]

I mean that's sort of built into the mechanics of fighting a war on multiple fronts

[shrewd tiger]

Then it is the wrong Operating Definition and therefore out of proper context it is pedantry.

Like someone in a court pull the old "I don't know can you use the bathroom?" that english teachers like to use to demonstrate the difference betwteen "May" and "Can"

[keen zinc]

Necromancy!

No need that jump on a day old disagreement

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/q5u7IrKFnz

Lmao Terminids are still sentient

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down to dive this glorious day

[graceful bluff]

of course, how else would they do illegal broadcasts

[keen zinc]

Gimme five minutes

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMyknwRYWKU

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-fix-bayonets-gif-16859069630921137135

[graceful bluff]

I wonder if they're gonna give us another cape for the martale gambit

[blissful sparrow]

Mavelon Creek 2 Cape

[pastel igloo]

wish i had gotten that cape

i think i was literally a day late

[modest fiber]

rip

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/speirs-ww2-airborne-101st-band-of-brothers-gif-11569273086637797810

me when i see anything

(i am running at it)

[modest fiber]

accurate

[keen zinc]

they need to give me a thompson-adjacent gun

[cerulean sluice]

Honestly Terminids being sophont is 100% canon in my eyes, solely because it makes Super Earth seem meaner

[modest fiber]

fire resistant/immune armours ahead? ah yea its time to cook
||https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GEg6xBfcT7g?feature=share||

[keen zinc]

this is just loreful way of saying the next patch will have the fire fixes

[graceful bluff]

I mean that isn't an official source

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i'm kinda baffled at that link

[strange vine]

Goddamnit we're gonna be like just 15 min late winning the Oshaune defense

Aaaaa

[dusky solar]

I stopped caring about defense MOs, it's gonna take arrowhead some time to adjust

In the meantime almost all defense MOs are guaranteed losses just because of community coordination issues, and arrowhead hasn't added any in-game big shiny indicators to show people supply lines or where to go

I doubt they want every defense to be a complete failure

[cobalt patrol]

I just dont enjoy defence misison types

Sticking in one place and playing a horde shooter isnt very interesting to me

[dusky solar]

I have come around on the one bad "extract civvies" type, with a coordinated squad xD

[cobalt patrol]

(I'm including exterminate here)

I adore the roaming gameplay

[honest acorn]

I think they’re fun with a coordinated squad and a plan but they suuuuuck with randoms without a special plan

[muted burrow]

played it for the first time yesterday with 1 friend and 2 randos, it was roughhh

playing the defense with the gates was really really fun with 4 people tho

[glacial light]

I saw a neat idea of being able to vote in game for the next priority defense planet and the planet with the most votes gets a special glow to attract casual players who don't read game news or posts

[copper crest]

Unmanaged democracy? Madness

We need an algorithm that we can tell our relevant preferences and then it’ll vote for us and highlight appropriate planets dynamically

[graceful bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722229978036437032/1227168624327004171/Jamirocharger_337bb9_11479615.mp4?ex=6630a757&is=661e3257&hm=6b7ba6e31deb5ab2f37ffadbd398eca877a3af6f58040be16be79b0be7574263&

[keen zinc]

god this hurts

martale was such a good target and none of the casuals realized it and so we're going to lose charon

we're going to lose marfark, and thus lose martale, and charon

instead of winning two planets in one campaign, we're going to lose 3 at once

huge oof

[blissful sparrow]

Kazoo Jaws theme plays

[cobalt patrol]

I just can't find it in me to get too steamed about defence failures etc

[muted burrow]

yeah it looks bleak

planets are being taken and not defended

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, that's part of the fun to me

[pastel igloo]

defense is currently the worst type of major order imo

mostly because player interaction basically gets turned off

[oblique storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SesYUHdcjA

[dusky solar]

Be like me and embrace not paying attention to defense orders

Eventually arrowhead will adjust them to match their new community, and it will be enjoyable

Or they won't and you can keep ignoring them

[strange vine]

the bots smashed through the right flank of the mentat line and are trying to flank the remaining defenses on mentat via Vernen Wells

[stiff pine]

This is dev intended

like, 'defend 10 planets' is basically joel needing more room for activities :^)

also just a regular reminder that discord is not part of your game, so why are your fancy announcements there and not in the game

[honest acorn]

Yeah this one was a fairly clearly labeled take Ls to spread the map mission imo

10 planets is too broad of a front for our normal defend tactics

[stiff pine]

we didn't succeed in any defend order higher than like, 3

I think we failed a 7 and an 8

so 10 is just On Purpose

[glacial light]

Yea I can't blame other gamers who just start up Helldivers and play without ever looking up any news or posts. To a lot of people games are entertainment and you shouldn't need to do homework on it when your time is limited.
If it's there's missing info detriment to the team then I think thats a developer oversight not a fault of the player and developers should include that information in the game

[merry cosmos]

I have to take a break from the war front for the most cringe reason imaginable (forknife)

[cerulean sluice]

Genuinely just putting this exact script on the ship TV screen and a compressed version in the Major Orders textbox would help tremendously

Most players do what the Major Order says: just look at how much the Creek got swarmed when the “go creek” Major Order dropped!

[glacial light]

Like even those little screens across from the equipment loadout screens would be a nice place to put the flavor text MO thay aren't really orders

[glacial light]

But of course you gotta input a little stratagem to verify your requisition purchase for the privilege to viewing such important information

[shrewd tiger]

Anyone wanna DIve with me?

[merry cosmos]

👆

[keen zinc]

It's laundry day

I'll be back around noon

The play at the moment seems to focus on bugs

We are meant to lose one front and that is most likely going to be bots

So helping the bugdivers Win More will at least accomplish something

[strange vine]

we were soooo close to winning the oshaune defense

like 15 min off

[merry cosmos]

Bugdiver unironically sounds horrible

[cerulean sluice]

||I think the idea is that Super Earth gets desperate and uses some stolen Squith tech to make a superweapon to stop the bots (and fails!). This prompts the Illuminate to return, getting us to all 3 factions active||

[dusky solar]

So were all terminids captured by the end of helldivers 1?

[glad marsh]

More or less, yeah

[dusky solar]

Or are there still colonies of original terminids out there

[glad marsh]

All the ones in super earth space were under control at least

[dusky solar]

This is mostly just a "wow that'd be cool to have the old terminids meet up with the new ones"

[keen zinc]

Bugs consigned to farms, Cyborgs confined to mines, Illuminate consigned to disgrace, theft, and disarmament.

[dusky solar]

Because like, if it's implied that the helldivers 1 terminids had space travel and a culture and society, i wonder if they would be able to re-incorporate the new bugs

They seem a lot more savage idk. Like they evolved again to be less intelligent but more brutal or something.

[shrewd tiger]

I like to think they are tribal now

[keen zinc]

They were kept on farms and subjected to genetic tampering

Likely to try to reduce them to proles

[tall stone]

I think I have spotted our next major defense target

[keen zinc]

"This species evolved alongside a second, more advanced species. Never particularly intelligent to begin with, selective breeding for physical prowess and docility has reduced them to servile proles."

From Stellaris

[tall stone]

Meissa has free Eagle Rocket Pods

[keen zinc]

Ain't that a global effect

[tall stone]

Ooop, it is.

Hrm, Meissa doesn't affect enough supply lines. Looks like it's Matar Bay then.

[dusky solar]

Woa nice

[tall stone]

I'm sad we lost Martale. I worked hard on that planet.

Did every non-bug mission I could there.

[pastel igloo]

were't we like, exceedingly close to liberating it?

[tall stone]

93%

[pastel igloo]

what the heck happened

[tall stone]

Super Earth ordered us to back off.

[pastel igloo]

pain

[modest fiber]

welp did we fail a mojor order or something? or whats the moping about

[stiff pine]

We've got a major order we can't succeed because there's no actual way to coordinate players outside of the discord

It's not a big deal, but it's something the devs are working on

[dusky solar]

there aren't really clear tools in the game to help players coordinate or decide where to go

unless you're terminally involved with the discord / reddit community, you're unlikely to know of the like, actual places you should be going to maximize your impact on the war effort

[pastel igloo]

which is of course why defense missions are a complete write off

and we always lose them

[cerulean sluice]

Arrowhead forgor that most of the playerbase does one Operation for the Major Order and hops off

[glacial light]

That's me I play like a single operation at most per session

[modest fiber]

oh yea people don't seem to be willing to defend ground, more willing to capture what i have seen tho

[oblique storm]

Because you need the planet to be named and glowing for people to coordinate

[junior badge]

Maybe they can at least make the population numbers somehow lead to visual feedback

that way the planet with the most divers becomes more visible and more enticing

which should help a little bit, maybe?

[modest fiber]

🤷 remains to be seen what they come up with

[oblique storm]

Tbh I don't care cuz I'd love to see what happens when super earth gets attacked

[blissful sparrow]

flashback to the crown in planetside 2

[modest fiber]

well in order that to happen we need to really really suck at our job globally (which is unlikely, true humans are incompetent but not that much i would hope).. or some Joel BS

[hazy oriole]

fuck, we're losong martale?!!!

now im just bummed out

[unreal merlin]

"alright ladies and gentlemen, we're spending the next three hours fighting over [t.i. alloys] in a total stalemate three-way cert farm. hope you all have snacks."

[tall stone]

Not losing, lost

[hazy oriole]

Fuck.

[keen zinc]

We failed to take it, thus meaning it could be cut off when losing Marfark

This also prevented Charon from being cut off from the bots, so they won there too

So bots won 3 worlds at once

[hazy oriole]

Ugh.

Man, that's a real bummer.

I fought my ass off for Martale yesterday

[burnt vapor]

Yeah it’s an all out offensive where we can’t hold any ground due to being split across so many fronts

[pastel igloo]

with how the game is rn defense missions are kinda rigged against us

[keen zinc]

Yeah but that's fine

[tall stone]

We're the last line of offense after all.

[pastel igloo]

i don't agree

[keen zinc]

For now

[pastel igloo]

well in this case it kinda works with the sudden bot push

but defense major orders always being rigged just sucks

[keen zinc]

I'm sure it's in the line for the chopping block

[tall stone]

I saw the 10 planet goal, remembered how much we struggled with 3, and went "we're not getting this one."

[pastel igloo]

whenever i see that it's defense i lose my will to fight cause i know we are going to lose

[keen zinc]

Defend Assets is fun at least

[pastel igloo]

it's fine in the context we are in i guess but generally it kinda just sucks

takes player agency away

[tall stone]

I like that there's some things we can fail.

[keen zinc]

Yeah hopefully it gets redone before it really starts to sting

[pastel igloo]

yeah i absolutely think we should be able to fail stuff

and that we don't just win constantly

but for defense, it doesn't feel like we can win

which is the problem

[tall stone]

We can

It just requires a level of coordination we don't have.

[pastel igloo]

then we can't wdym

if we don't have the capability to do something then we can't do it

[tall stone]

The tools are there.

[pastel igloo]

no they aren't

half of the relevant shit is outside the game

which clearly the devs have seen is a problem and are working on

which is good

[tall stone]

There's a difference between something being unachievable, and something just not being set up yet.

[pastel igloo]

ok but if we are consistently unable to do something for various reasons

that still means we can't do it

[tall stone]

There's different degrees of can't do a thing.

Why something can't be done matters way more.

[pastel igloo]

sure