Elaborate
#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!
merry cosmos
ionic holly
you're not responsible for a virtual war that seems to be having genuine effects on your physical and mental
sinful bay
ye, Super Earth is not worth your irl well being
||Don't worry too we have more than one Super Earth||
keen zinc
in a row?
merry cosmos
you're not responsible for a virtual war that seems to be having genuine effects...
The wellbeing fucking is largely external from helldivers
oblique storm
ionic holly
Mm.
still bud you gotta be careful about forcing to go in too hard
ionic holly
the one upgrade i ain't getting
merry cosmos
i cant talk much
240-ish
ionic holly
my eagle-1 pilot likes me too much to do that to her
rare nymph
Eagle-1 never crashes 
sinful bay
Eagle-1 abandon you when the timer runs out
buys upgrade
ionic holly
Almost made a joke i shouldn't of
merry cosmos
How many safety procoshions are violated through the ship upgrades
rare nymph
Yes
hot meadow
Elaborate
I think it’s important not to take these things seriously. You do not have any responsibility or obligation here.
ionic holly
o863279422 violations
hot meadow
You do have an obligation/responsibility to keep yourself healthy though.
ionic holly
Spoilering cause it's a little more suggestive, not explicit
|| Nah if she abandons me on a mission that just calls for off the clock correction||
rich marlin
Played a bit last night and managed to stick around for the liberation of one planet but the others weren’t doing too hot so I assume they lost while I was asleep
merry cosmos
You _do_ have an obligation/responsibility to keep yourself healthy though.
That is true. I have used this time as a dropout in-between jobs to fofill my patriotic responsibilities
After making sure I'm atleast comfortable
junior badge
sorry cheezy (I forgot which one you are on Discord), but I just wanna run a few low diffs to try things out, Not actually in a mood for serious gaming
dusky solar
The slugger still needs a rework lmao
It's still the best DMR
While being a kind of bad stagger shotgun
junior badge
Yeah, having tried the Adjudicator, I'm quite underwhelmed. Too much recoil to just use as an AR like the Lib-Pen, but not enough damage to just rely on sniping, imo.
The Eradicator seems fine tho, at least.
quick plinth
I love the Adjudicator
its right between the liberator and dilegence, while just being a better lib pen imo
it has enough accuracy to pop dev heads, two shots raiders/troopers easily since followup shots are simple since the recoil isn't even that much and finally
it has a full auto feature for when berserks get too close or you're just getting overwhelmend in general
however it's definetly more of a bot weapon like the other DMRs and Scorcher are (the way I see it)
undone veldt
While being a kind of bad stagger shotgun
yah it kinda sucks the nerfs just, kept it the best dmr but made it a worse shotgun
like I really dont get the nerfs to stagger
dusky solar
I don't think arrowhead is very good at balance, but with the mountain of content they're adding there will be fun options in there by the end
hot meadow
Yeah I think if one can let go of the best stuff, there’s a lot of “merely” fun and good
So I take it eruptor is good on bugs if you have a good support like stalwart?
quick plinth
the slugger is like
fine?
its just their philosophy of the punisher being short range stagger and the dominator being long range stagger
sinful bay
My primary nowadays is just a big "Oh shit get the fuck away from me" while I relay more on the support weapon, so is hard to not use the Punisher
graceful bluff
the new bolt action might genuinely make me stop running 120 and 380 just cause it's so good at sniping fabs
kindred lintel
bolt action?
quick plinth
eruptor
graceful bluff
they're just a nice driveby option
quick plinth
warbond basically bolt action autocannon
quick plinth
they're just a nice driveby option
precision strike/airstrike, 500, laser I'd argue are nicer for taking out bases
quick plinth
since it relies on you to confirm the death of the fab rather than hoping RNG of the barrage is in your favor
graceful bluff
120 and 380 also have a use as area denial during bot drops
azure pewter
this gif is wrong
quick plinth
https://tenor.com/view/ntw20-black-ops-cold-war-cold-war-cold-war-reload-black-o...
I'd say more like the 20mm neopup
sinful bay
weapon
azure pewter
thats semi auto tho
quick plinth
right
but I meant like effect on target wise
considering the eruptor is basically a larger AoE autocannon
hell the explosive crossbow is insane waveclear a la plasma punisher, its just easier to use
azure pewter
both are a 20 mm projectile,, the ntw20 is a 20x82 mm cartirdge which makes it relatively low velocity
quick plinth
yeah and the eruptor's projectile is fairly slow
azure pewter
it relies primarily on explosive projectile for effect on target
hense my comparison
honest acorn
Crossbow is weird
Yeah similar to plasma punisher
Trades some ammo for a faster projectile and flatter arc
alpine seal
makes sense
honest acorn
Hits like a TRUCK but has poor arpen and stagger
alpine seal
i really bounced off the plasmisher because i couldnt really get used to the arc, so that sounds like a sick option for me
dusky solar
I've been practicing with the plasma punisher
But i'm still bad
Eventually i'll be able to call myself a big pp master, upgraded from big pp enthusiast
barren reef
Can you close holes with your big pp?
dusky solar
Sadly no
barren reef
Ain't that a mood.
merry cosmos
Do you think Elvis would fit on a helldivers 2 playlist?
heady halo
i dont think theres anything specidic enough to actually fit other than like, "thematically fashy"
or in ither words anything can fit
dependent on the context you put the playlist in
id say mass market elvis clones would fit better than elvis himself
glad marsh
Hmm.
Thinking about the Eruptor.
It kind of does the same thing the autocannon does, I think it'll be absurdly good in a coordinated squad that can deal with the smaller things while you pop stuff like heavy devs and rocket devs
heady halo
but thats solely based on the cultural imperialism vibes vs elvis as an at the time counterculture guy who got huge EVERYWHERE
merry cosmos
I just got the hunch that 50s/60s music might work in helldivers
But a frend of mine said that anything that would fit in fallout probably won't fit in helldivers
glacial light
I want an in game dialogue about an NPC complaining automaton music is too political unlike Elvis
merry cosmos
Also Elvis was counterculture?
glacial light
Before my time
shy prairie
I think it counted as counterculture before he became Elvis (famous guy)
hazy oriole
ah, my mistake, i misinterpreted what you meant as "clearing enemies off the paths"
anw oughhh executioner armor in the shop but i've got 850 super creds saved up and idk if i want the new warbond
glacial light
What perk does executioner?
south temple
how’re the new guns and toys?
alpine seal
adjudicator is middling, eruptor is great paired with a low caliber support weapon, crossbow is surprisingly good crowd clear
dusky solar
Counterculture can fit in the military too but not really into a volunteer force like the helldivers
alpine seal
grenade pistol is a neat pocket option if you don't use your secondary frequently
thermite is tragically chained by the host damage over time bug so skip it if you aren't squad leader
but in terms of its intended effect, it's... still only alright
deals just a bit less than what you'd like to see from an anti-armor grenade
dusky solar
thermite is tragically chained by the host damage over time bug so skip it if yo...
It's even worse
You have to win the Network Host lottery
So it's not enough to simply host for your friends
dusky solar
Yuuuuuuup
strange vine
couple nights ago i had a fun moment where my group dropped on a statagem jammer but a fucking nearby cannon turret destroyed the jammer for us
hazy oriole
that's amazing lmao
ughhhrghhh I'm really torn
I have 850 super credits right now, I can earn another 100 on the next page of Steeled Vets (which I'm going to anw cuz I want the Dominator) and then I should have enough to get Demo Deto, or I could spend 600 total on the executioner armor set, which I really want...arghh
dusky solar
ughhhrghhh I'm really torn
I have 850 super credits right now, I can earn anothe...
Get steeled veterans
I'd rather go for gameplay effectiveness over aesthetics in this case because there's a lot of other really nice aesthetic stuff already
dusky solar
Whoops wrong wording
hazy oriole
and that's true, but Executioner has fortified on a Medium, which is nice
candid finch
Is there cool new stuff out?
dusky solar
New warbond
hazy oriole
New Warbond! plus some new ship upgrades
candid finch
on god I don't have enough super credits for the new warbond ;-;
guess I gotta get on the grind
honest acorn
I’m a big fan of the eruptor
Feels more AMR than the AMR honestly
Been running dagger, eruptor, lascannon, stuns
With basically a pile of eagles for strats
Feels very nice
south temple
shame that the adjudicator is mid (allegedly) bc i love its look
honest acorn
Eh I think it’s solid
glacial light
I want the grenade pistol so I can equip stuns
honest acorn
It’s basically a higher recoil Defender with a good optic and medium pen
merry cosmos
Eh I think it’s solid
Werid little gun but I like it
honest acorn
Sort of tricky to control but it hits hard and makes a generically functional primary
hot meadow
You have to win the Network Host lottery
That’s a big shame.0
honest acorn
Kinda with it had more reserve mags but it’s fine on semi
I really need that DoT bug to get fixed
merry cosmos
Sort of tricky to control but it hits hard and makes a generically functional pr...
Crotch and fan the trigger
stone bridge
The Eruptor is such a piece of shit, I love it
hazy oriole
i wanna try running that thing with an mg/stal or maybe even a GL
honest acorn
GL leaves you with choices if they get close
hazy oriole
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to do some full clears on 7ish diff
keen zinc
hazy oriole
GL leaves you with choices if they get close
stal's alright on cqc though ain't it?
hazy oriole
<:o7:527511893112258570>
i'll be in HA hangout in a sec gotta grab some water
unkempt river
I’m a big fan of the eruptor
What secondary do you run with it?
honest acorn
Dagger
honest acorn
It’s… sufficient to kill small enemies and the eruptor honestly kills stuff like zerkers pretty well before they can close
hot meadow
Okay so I have the eruptor. I’m trying to figure out if it can kill chargers and if so how
unkempt river
Okay so I have the eruptor. I’m trying to figure out if it can kill chargers and...
Try back legs after it charges you?
honest acorn
Okay so I have the eruptor. I’m trying to figure out if it can kill chargers and...
I’ve been told that 2 shots to the jaw kills
Have not fought bugs yet
honest acorn
Yeah haha
Maybe try a “kill charger” mission solo?
Without the glow these things are fuckin gnarly
cobalt patrol
I genuinely like thei mplcations about bot culture/terror weapons etc and hopw they interact with us
it's v. fun
honest acorn
Oh my god these are the high value cached gear from the first galactic war
stone bridge
How can you tell?
honest acorn
Tell what?
cobalt patrol
@stone bridge The mission actively calls it out in the descrption
honest acorn
That it's high value cached gear
It’s from the mission description
Super Earth is decanting GW1 Helldivers now
burnt vapor
My god we're evacing OG Helldivers?
cobalt patrol
Well, the GW1 helldivers is a leap - We have the model of the rocekt that's the same thing as the rocekt from the tutorial.
it seems heavily implied though
honest acorn
The mission description says they’re cashed since the first galactic war
It’s possible it’s not Helldivers in them
But just the tubes
oblique storm
It's the APCs
keen zinc
LMAO
cerulean sluice
it's personnel and material related to Strategems like vehicles or the Breaker
honest acorn
Imagine your a HD1 Helldiver and they don’t tell you shit you just wake up and the world is more 3d and now the cyborgs are more metal
Bugs are the same though but no one will tell your what year it is
oblique lotus
Imagine your a HD1 Helldiver and they don’t tell you shit you just wake up and t...
also no shredders or UAVs
and no rumbler but that might be a positive
pastel igloo
would
honest acorn
Also watching the weapons in first person makes me realized how horrific this bolt action is
Why tf is it like that?
pastel igloo
?
honest acorn
Is there a real gun like this?
north fiber
oh that is cursed I see it
honest acorn
So either you take your hand off the trigger to operate it or do a Big Stretch to work it left handed (as the 1st person reload does)
north fiber
I wonder why all the helldivers cock their guns in the Russian style
pastel igloo
they are all russians clearly
north fiber
(which, for the record, is reaching with the left hand around the gun for the bolt)
tiny flume
I think there are guns like that
With a quick search
But not sure any are bolt action
glacial light
I'm left handed they made a gun for me
honest acorn
Yeah it’s way better for lefties haha
north fiber
I think there are guns like that
I mean yes, the MP5 is like that
tiny flume
Like you can see the bolt at the front here
pastel igloo
I'm left handed they made a gun for me
🤝
north fiber
That's a bullpup
tiny flume
Ye
honest acorn
Except for ejecting huge ass brass in your face at least
north fiber
totally different ergonomics than the rifle posted
tiny flume
Yeah I know
honest acorn
I’d need to look in game to see if it has ambidextrous ports
tiny flume
I was just saying you can have bolts at the front
Not saying you need to pull it back manually to eject shell casing
north fiber
I figured the question was for bolt actions that have the handle that far foward. As, like, the MP5 is pretty famous for having it's bolt handle on the barrel really far up (as does the relatively lesser known G3, a fullsized rifle also from HK)
tiny flume
Ye, so I posted one with it far forward
Obviously it's much more compact
But still
Was just the easiest to google
honest acorn
G3 is a good example yeah
merry cosmos
Like you can see the bolt at the front here
That's an F2000 is it not?
tiny flume
I think so
royal lantern
I do get the impression the Eruptor wasnt originally going to be a bolt action and they just decided to have you do the cocking animation after every shot to justify it having a very low RoF
merry cosmos
Is that a bad thing in your eyes or no?
royal lantern
I mean, just as an explanation for the weird ergonomics and visuals of the thing
merry cosmos
👍
"Everyday I wake up high off SUMY brand, yougert flavored combat stimulants. and begin watching strohmann news.
Every day begins with me thinking the same thing.
The violence has escalated, I need more firepower."
honest acorn
I mean, just as an explanation for the weird ergonomics and visuals of the thing
I think super earth just doesn’t give a shit about us ergonomically
There’s a bunch of weapons with really awkward reloads
Autocannon for example
It’s characterful
Interestingly enough the bolt carrier is both sided for the Eruptor so it could be modified to be better
cerulean sluice
Super Earth's weapons being painful and difficult to use is entirely in character
merry cosmos
How exactly?
honest acorn
How exactly?
The lever to work the bolt could be on the left side of the weapon so the user doesn’t need to reach around it
Autocannon actually can’t be because it’d either impede the sight or smash the user in the eyes lol
north fiber
Of course this doesn't change the fact that the angle used on the autocannon lever must be fucking awful for how stiff that bolt has to be
merry cosmos
It's designed for team reload
azure pewter
Also it’s a capsule magazine toggle lock which doesn’t have that much to do with the discussion but I want to mention it because it’s kinda wild and I love it
It’s a Luger-krag
lethal badger
stone bridge
Also it’s a capsule magazine toggle lock which doesn’t have that much to do with...
It's the most clunky and awkward weapon ever. It's so good
oblique hazel
<@&1206091872716595200> room for a two for a high value asset mission in horus
cobalt patrol
It's the most clunky and awkward weapon ever. It's so good
Eruptor? It's so amazingly clunky, i love it
honest acorn
If the Eruptor and AMR traded slots it wouldn’t feel that weird
(The AMR is way too good for a primary tho)
trail nymph
<@&1206091872716595200> room for a two for a high value asset mission in horus
I’m in
oblique hazel
@crystal badger down to hop back in to finish out the mission?
stone bridge
(The AMR is way too good for a primary tho)
Yeah you'd need to heavily nerf the AMR then heavily buff the Eruptor
cobalt patrol
It's so bad at being a primary
It's amazing. I realyl love it's design tbh
stone bridge
Same
rough ravine
Like you can see the bolt at the front here
F2000 spotted, thank you for your service
keen zinc
cobalt patrol
The explosive crossbow remains immensly werid
and immensly interesting
gotta take it into bugs and se how it does
because as "haha, fuck this crowd"
it's pretty impressive
and i think given it's sheer damage + explosive tag it should be good for charger and spewer butts?
heady halo
Also Elvis was counterculture?
elvis started out as massive counterculture because he wasnt racist, he was a rock an roll guy and seen as suuuper inapropriate. overly sexual and too friendly with black people, which were asociated points to the majority of people in their racism. there was a buncha anti elvis protest. but yeah he was rock n roll n GOOD rock n roll is basially always counterculture. punk or even idk lil nas x is no different in that regard
keen zinc
gotta take it into bugs and se how it does
it is REALLY good against bugs
cobalt patrol
That tracks given how ridiclous it's splash is
keen zinc
patrol deleter
you just need something for self defense up close
and AT for heavy
but damn it do kill lotta bugs
cobalt patrol
I'm imagining that some sort of Crossbow/Redeemer/EAT/Jetpack loadout is going to very solid
hot meadow
y'all I cannot
I'm trying to do 7s with randoms for super samples and it's just painful
people are so bad
it is unpalatable
ok vent over
phew, really just needed to like, let that out
kindred lintel
youre just spoiled by all the good players on here
cobalt patrol
youre just spoiled by all the good players on here
Honestly, it;'s kinda true
though i find i can generally carry with randos?
hot meadow
I have not played with anyone here actually!
mostly it's like, some helldiver who insists on carrying the samples and dies twelve times.
cobalt patrol
Also i host a lot
so i can yell at people if they're being bad
Or polite warn them
hot meadow
Tbh I don't mind it if they're doing like, smart things and its bad
its the dumb things and bad that I start to get frustrated by
that and dying so much you actually eat up a majority of reinforcements
rare nymph
I always feel so bad when I eat up a ton of reinforces
hot meadow
I also watched a bunch of people run from a charger instead of killing it.
one charger
for reference, one of the people running had EATs as their stratagem, and yes they were off cooldown
rare nymph
Usually its because I die in a bad situation, then keep getting thrown back into said situation
hot meadow
I didn't have any, because I had just used my two to kill two other chargers. Grr!
cobalt patrol
How much is a ton of reinforces for you @hot meadow ?
hot meadow
Good question! I actually checked end of game - we did not manage to extract - to see what felt like a lot
I would say >=8
and obviously if everyone is dying a lot it's just a bad mission
and that happens
cobalt patrol
hmm. Like ih it 8 fairly reugalry but i am playing the aggro tank as i call it
i'm usually off soloing, trying to get the bot drops on me etc
hot meadow
aare you also insistent on carrying the super samples? XD
cobalt patrol
or on bug missions i'm the guy up front with the flamethrower
I will have them by accident sometimes
hot meadow
also for ref I am a very cautious player, so for me personally anything over 4 is a lot.
cobalt patrol
simply becuase i'm the one who found them
Ah, whereas @stone bridge can confirm that playing with me isd like playing with a very excited explosive tornado
you generally know that Penguin has been by because of the trail of craters
penguion's corpses
wrecked bases
and the odd team-kill from 380
and or Wild Hellbombs
keen zinc
i noticed a lot of people here dont have the helldivers role either
so you arent getting the alert when squads are forming
hot meadow
Remind me how I get thaht
hot meadow
yup that works, grazie
But yeah "a lot" is contextual
everybody dying a lot and we make it? Man, whatever it takes to make it.
Everybody's doing ok and one person is dying disproportionately? That might be a lot!
but like I said - cautious gamer.
keen zinc
you can kil me its okay
supple siren
I die the most on my usual squad, but that's because everyone runs the Democracy Armor with the 50% Survival chance thing an' bubble shields
cobalt patrol
I'm very aggressive as siad, so deaths are just gonna happen to me
they're often very funny
supple siren
flamethrower jetpack is glorious but the candle that burns twice as bright is half as long
/or whatever
cobalt patrol
FT is absolotuey run it with bubbleshield in my opinion
(In part you dont actually need the mobility, since proper FT technique is either advancing slowly, or usually, backpeddling slowly while firing in long jets sweeping side to side to ignite the ground)
and the bubble helps when something breaches or otherwise gets ontop of you suddenly
stiff pine
I need to grind super samples ;_;
I guess it's only going up from 6 to 7 but I still need to find the damn things and get em out
modest fiber
supas are 7 and up
keen zinc
I need to grind super samples ;_;
you dont have the helldivers role either!
cmon gamers get poppin
vestal trail
Playing 7 and up or, as I like to call it, "Going to the Soup Store"
stiff pine
you dont have the helldivers role either!
cos I'm not a bottom and if I want to play I'll ping other people
:^)
glacial light
Playing 7 and up or, as I like to call it, "Going to the Soup Store"
Finding the chicken leg
north fiber
Continuing my trend of unlocking difficulties by doing them, just did my first helldive to unlock helldive!
hallow gorge
Same
Like it needs double the ammo and better handling
Or more damage
There's no reason I should shoot a trooper 3 times with a gun that big
unreal merlin
There's no reason I should shoot a trooper 3 times with a gun that big
Really? I remember a single bullet merking raiders when I tried it
hallow gorge
Maybe I'm misremembering
keen zinc
blowing offl imbs doesnt kill
hallow gorge
In fact I'm probably getting my wires crossed with the adjudicator
unreal merlin
A lot of the complainers I saw regarding the HMG were also running it at 1200 RPM fire rate and going " 
this thing has no ammo!"
hallow gorge
Yeah 1200 rpm was just the silly mode
unreal merlin
Like no shit it's impossible to control the recoil
keen zinc
the HMG has fine ammo, damage, pen, recoil, etc
unreal merlin
Minimum fire rate is the gentlemen's mode
keen zinc
it needs a crosshair
unreal merlin
Burst 2-3 rounds per target, if that.
dusky solar
the HMG has fine ammo, damage, pen, recoil, etc
it has like what, grand total 3 75 round mags?
that's soooo little XD
honest acorn
It’s a pretty good amount if you are accurate, but it’s extremely hard to be accurate with it
I wouldn’t mind if it got another reserve mag though
Same as the MMG
hearty sleet
A lot of the complainers I saw regarding the HMG were also running it at 1200 RP...
1200 is the "AAAA" mode, when you're probably going to die in the next few seconds.
honest acorn
I’ve honestly never gotten good mileage out of the 1200/950 mode
It just does enough damage per bullet that 700 or even 450 is plenty
stone bridge
If it gets a hipfire crosshair and the drastic sight misalignment is fixed it'll be good
honest acorn
I agree
stone bridge
Right now the ergonomics are just dogshit
honest acorn
I still want more reserve mags but think I get why they pinch the ammo of the MGs
So you still use a primary some?
alpine seal
eventually the support weapon mag refill upgrade will work and we'll be back in it
but for now, we simply live with it
honest acorn
That’s not the problem I have - I just burn through the 450 shots the MG has too quickly for easy resupply
honest acorn
but for now, we simply live with it
I just take the lascannon instead :p
stone bridge
Laser Cannon + Eruptor is goated
keen zinc
If it gets a hipfire crosshair and the drastic sight misalignment is fixed it'll...
for real, and i will fuckin run it all day
it does exactly what i need a support to do, pen light vehicle armor, in a package that makes my heart sing
and i hate that its so bad to use
hot meadow
Laser Cannon + Eruptor is goated
Bots or bugs?
glacial light
I just noticed the extra arc for arc throwers upgrade, it seems arc thrower mains are eating good
That's a whole extra enemy or even teammate!
And the fire one seems nice if dot damage was more consistent
When playing solo the incendiary mines are just fun to use
RIP that 4th eagle upgrade is so good but the flavor text hurts my girl eagle one
Why must be so mean to her
keen zinc
I just noticed the extra arc for arc throwers upgrade, it seems arc thrower main...
i wonder if it works for the blitzer
kindred lintel
doesnt it only list the arc thrower and tower
meager saffron
yeah
keen zinc
sadge
stone bridge
Bots or bugs?
Works well into both, honestly
I'd run shield into bots and rover into bugs, though
hearty sleet
https://preview.redd.it/the-eruptor-new-explosive-sniper-rifle-wont-be-the-new-m...
The Eruptor's description isn't kidding about the close-range part, suprisingly large explosions.
meager saffron
penguin fired the eruptor into a sunken cargo container while we were both standing at the edge of the clearing
we both ragdolled
rare nymph
I’m genuinely surprised at how much I like the Eruptor
Like I tried it out thinking it would be meh, but it’s super fun if you build around it
Was not expecting to like a scoped bolt action primary this much
keen zinc
it looks too cartoony for me
stone bridge
How does it?
stiff pine
<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone want to help me grind super samples? I'm scared to go alone -_-
hot meadow
Laser Cannon + Eruptor is goated
okay can confirm
stone bridge
graceful bluff
if you run it at 1200 rpm you really need to be good at controlling your bursts, but it can be used
graceful bluff
I just noticed the extra arc for arc throwers upgrade, it seems arc thrower main...
It's also really good on tesla towers
hiding tesla towers around corners for bots and just see it prank an entire squad never stops being funny
stray tide
Man
It’s really starting to drive me crazy the amount of stuff that doesn’t work when it launches lmao
Just heard that apparently the new ship upgrades don’t work properly
candid finch
trust me, still miles better than Darktide. And they're on top of fixing it.
What's the new ship upgrades? 😄
mortal wing
trust me, still miles better than Darktide. And they're on top of fixing it.
I feel that, with Darktide it felt like months pass before something gets changed
cobalt patrol
Laser Cannon + Eruptor is goated
Oh, that's fucking clever.
candid finch
"oh yeah so turns out this particular perk actually makes you take MORE damage not LESS and it's been like that since launch but in two more months they're redoing the entire perk system so we hope that fixes it."
cobalt patrol
trust me, still miles better than Darktide. And they're on top of fixing it.
afaik, only one doesnt work properly, and it's the ammo upgrade for support weapons
candid finch
oh ho, ammo upgrades :3
cobalt patrol
As ot to the new upgrades:
Supply boxes give full ammo to support weapons (this is bugged. But in theoryi t should mean you can empty the spear, picklup a box, and get the entire bakcpack refilled).|
FT, Napal and inceindary mines do 50% more burn damage.
HE barrages (120/380) have 15% reduced spread
1 more bounce for Tesla and Arc thrower
50% reduced damage from explosives to turrets
Any multi-bomb Eagle strike (So every explosive except 500kg) drops an addtional explosive (EG, the airstrike dropos 6 bombs, now it drops 7 bombs. I dont know the actual number of explosions)
candid finch
That one more bounce is horrifying I'll take 5
Also that multi bomb eagle strike makes the scatter shot eagle even more of a team killer
cobalt patrol
I look foward to briar being a big ol meanie with it.
stone bridge
:)
ionic holly
Arc armour my beloved
candid finch
After having conversations about bogs recently.
I want a swamp planet
the WORST planet ever
just full on bogs/swamp
candid finch
Fair, but also the muscle enhancement thing means you can ignore it pretty well, like the snow
blissful sparrow
But thats not as disrespectful 😔
cobalt patrol
After having conversations about bogs recently.
I want a swamp planet
oh is it the really spoopy spoopy grey bog planet?
That ones very fun with bugs, Bile Titnasuddnely looming up out of the fog
candid finch
Yeah! Proper Far Harbour style fog and muck
unkempt river
<@&1206091872716595200> I thirst for medals
dusky solar
I want to like eruptor so badly
cobalt patrol
Maybe in a liddle @unkempt river I'm eating dinenr right now
dusky solar
But you have to dedicate so many slots to killing heavy armor
It's depressing that the gun is essentially perfect for what it was designed for, only it can only really shine in a large squad with other people handling the most crucial roles
candid finch
I just pick up the eagle missiles they kill heavy armour real good
unkempt river
Maybe in a liddle <@257973285390778378> I'm eating dinenr right now
Imagine needing to eat (I need to eat, but the act of chewing food sounds like I would rather empty my stomach)
dusky solar
I just pick up the eagle missiles they kill heavy armour real good
Yeah but like i kill the first 3 hulks and there's still more 
fricken defenses
ionic holly
spear my beloved
heavy armour is no factor with it and by god does it never fail me with its lock
dusky solar
Luckyyyy i feel like spear is a dice roll of if it works perfectly or barely at all
unkempt river
I have gotten exactly 1 lock ever with the spear
dusky solar
Probably my favorite support weapon after autocannon once it gets fixed
candid finch
I like using Spear and missile pack
ionic holly
i can and will blow up that cannon tower or fabricator from 200+ out thank you very much spear
candid finch
I think the spear locks on easier lately which is good, can still be finnicky
dusky solar
i can and will blow up that cannon tower or fabricator from 200+ out thank you v...
Yeah when it works 😂
stone bridge
Yeah but like i kill the first 3 hulks and there's still more <:sweating:5036561...
If you're doing defenses you need more heavy duty AT anyway
candid finch
It's easier to lock on lately, they worked on the targetting
dusky solar
If you're doing defenses you need more heavy duty AT anyway
I've been enjoying mortar + autocannon turret
Glorious
ionic holly
It's easier to lock on lately, they worked on the targetting
i have noted it's felt faster lately
stone bridge
Please turn off the ping for me too, I'm in the convo
candid finch
EMS Mortars are a fav of mine but I can't bring myself for an actual mortar because it kills me and my buddies
stone bridge
But the sentries are good, yeah
ionic holly
for context i had been using the spear since week... 2 of launch cause that's how long it took me to get it
dusky solar
On defenses, the regular mortar kind of mogs the ems mortar
ionic holly
genuinely has rarely, if ever, left my stratagem layout
candid finch
The spear for bugs is rough though
ionic holly
Stunnades fixed that real quick for me
dusky solar
Every copy of hd2 is customized
candid finch
works on bile titans well, chargers less so because it can and will go over their head, and it can't target nests
ionic holly
Oh no trust me
i like the spear for me i would never recommend it though
dusky solar
If it worked i'd bring it a lot vs bots
ionic holly
i am super earth's strongest javelin
candid finch
I like using it vs bots
dusky solar
A working spear is my favorite weapon vs bot objectives lol
4 spears yeeting an outpost and cackling as you run away
ionic holly
i have had a spear shot wrap around a charger and somehow manage to clip its head rather than me
candid finch
I have taken much joy in watching my allies run in to grenade a base only for me to target it with a spear from a mile out and blow it up just as they arrive
ionic holly
it's why i feel like sometimes i was given the only functioning one
candid finch
I've had the spear shot wrap around a charger and clip me 
ionic holly
that or it's my luck passive again
i have a habit of forcing any gun to work in games for me
except energy weapons
candid finch
I also had a shot go over a charger's head and just... keep going. Like it forgor to lock on.
Saw the charger and just left
ionic holly
I've only had misses at sub 40 i wanna say?
dusky solar
If the Spear had an alternate fire mode where it targeted your cursor instead of trying to lock on, it would be amazing
ionic holly
otherwise i pivot to a different option once they hit 50
I admittedly doubt it will ever get that, it's based on the video game type of a javelin afterall
least it can lock onto air targets
gunships are a fuckin joke with it
So i have a dumb likely incorrect theory of how the spear locks on, and gunships are victim to this theory heavily
i assume there is basically an invisible line from me to the target's 'center', maintain the line, get lock, fire
sometimes spear tries to make multiple lines, and struggles pick one, so you have to shift your aim to force it to pick one
other times the line gets disrupted by an enemy walking through it
Gunships don't bunch up nor have much of anything that can disrupt the line
so straight to the bowels of super hell they go
TLDR
I fucking love the spear and know its quibbles way too intimately and i would never suggest this weapon to anyone else over something like the recoilless rifle
rich marlin
I really like the look of the new warbond stuff
That first marksman rifle is smooth af and if it wasn’t a marksman I’d use it for style alone
Hell I might just use it for the style points
ionic holly
It's a very binary weapon from what i heard
personally it's my favorite non shotgun gun in the game
others seem to hate it
eruptor kicks ass though, only real complaint is that splash feels a little too generous
ionic holly
graceful bluff
It's balanced on the fact that you don't have anything to stop you from getting overrun
And also you need experience with warthunder to be able to wield it quickly :v
rich marlin
Good thing I use to play warthunder back in the day
graceful bluff
It honestly feels way closer to controlling a tank in warthunder than an actual gun
candid finch
Briar, big sal pilot
orchid pulsar
<@&1206091872716595200> room for two more
verbal knot
<@&1206091872716595200> room for two more
I've got a moment. Will be in!
cobalt patrol
@orchid pulsar I am not feeling like vox - bu i'll be along
I'll just not be in vc
primal river
Are yall full on divers?
oblique hazel
Are yall full on divers?
just got space for one more!
cobalt patrol
Every weapon for the warbond unlocked
stone bridge
Weird how?
cobalt patrol
Incredibly high damage.
massive aoe.
zero armor pen.
suprsing amount of drop to the bolt
not grenade launcher or plasma punisher bad
but noticable alll the same
Wont kill fabs, dont know about bug holes yet
So it's a stealtyh sneaky Patrol deleter.
cobalt patrol
Okay, it kinda sucks into bugs actually
mortal wing
Is crossbow a sidearm?
unreal merlin
It's a primary.
I didn't use it a lot but it seemed to have the most value out of actually just shooting the ground between a crowd of bugs to damage them all. It will stagger up to Brood Commanders with a direct hit or near miss.
12 magazines of 5 bolts total
sinful bay
Dagger
I always heard the Dagger is the worst secondary, what it does best than the pew pew?
unreal merlin
It is sneaky, so that's nice.
The crossbow I mean.
I really do not like the dagger (and Scythe and Laser Cannon all for the same reason).
sinful bay
It *is* sneaky, so that's nice.
Wait, the explosion does not show your location?
unreal merlin
It's a lot 'quieter' than an explosion normally is. I cleared a POI with bugs on all sides by killing individual bugs with it and none of them realized what was happening.
They did start coming to investigate but it was the kind of "huh what's going on over here" investigation.
merry cosmos
I think think the devs giving every one shit for complaining about balance where unfathomably based
sinful bay
agreed,
It's very important to know what is people just crying over spilled milk and actual important balance problems
hexed steeple
new orders gang
hollow plover
We remobilized our efforts!
candid finch
Well they gave us a bunch of missions recently and all the dailies, sometimes they hand us a supposed to lose fight
sinful bay
Yeah, 2 days for 5 planets? It was bound to fail
candid finch
It's actually pretty funky, we're playing a giant interactive story right now
I mean imagine they'd pushed it out even longer, a week or so, it would have been annoying to have that then realise it was a supposed to lose mission
Two days, we lose, and move on to other things where we have a better chance of winning.
reduce the time spent on failing so we get the catharsis of rising back up from the loss.
sinful bay
Good point
north fiber
We're definitely going to be rotating back to the bug front after this
We're taking two planets to setup a defensive line
naive dragon
Do we have a Creek 2 yet tho
north fiber
I mean, botmire is still around
merry cosmos
We're definitely going to be rotating back to the bug front after this
Unless that MO starts going horribly wrong I'm staying on the bot front
north fiber
only bots and only bug players are a thing so you're not alone
burnt vapor
please god no I don’t want to go back to botmire
sinful bay
BOYZ?!
merry cosmos
The boys locker room called. They've succeeded from super earth
sinful bay
Send more BOYZ to PUNCH ROBOT
merry cosmos
Also I really like the triple iii showcase
sinful bay
Also, I tried the Eruptor on Trivial
Never before I had a gun in my hands and said "This will be so more useful on a higher difficulty, here is a handcap"
And smoke grenades are amazing for defence missions
You throw them in a incoming Bots and they will stop and stare at nothing while the scientists run to safety
strange vine
datamined content ||Looks like theyre gonna add the super earth robot from HD1 back in||
|| https://www.rxddit.com/r/HellDiversLeaks/comments/1c230a4/robot_super_earth_conscript/ ||
dusky solar
And smoke grenades are amazing for defence missions
Yeah, they're great unless the server desyncs and suddenly they stop working >_>
ionic holly
|| look at that lil guy||
sinful bay
datamined content ||Looks like theyre gonna add the super earth robot from HD1 b...
WHAT IT WILL DO?!
||Can I play as him?||
glad marsh
datamined content ||Looks like theyre gonna add the super earth robot from HD1 b...
||What do you mean "conscript"?||
cobalt patrol
As we all know, Robot means "Deomcracitc Servant and liverator:
and has no darker meanings
naive dragon
datamined content ||Looks like theyre gonna add the super earth robot from HD1 b...
||player model when||
sinful bay
From the comment:
||Based on what I have seen, this robot may be able to fight alongside us in battle.
I do not know for sure whether he will be able to fight, but his model fully supports it. ||
So maybe ||Bots for when you don't have 3 more players?||
cobalt patrol
Loadout experiments:
@stone bridge idea of combing Eruptor with the Optical Laser was a really good one. I've modified it further by adding the jetpack. Add in some light armor, and it;'s an amazing roamer/hit and run setup
UYse the laser to kill armor (Hulks, tanks etc) or chaff when you need to reload the eruptor
heady halo
i think the thermite needs a partial rework. it should have NO ecplosion but do enough ap damage to kill the weaker of a charger, tank or hulk when stuck to the heatsink or tail in one grenade but take longer than shooting it with a recoiless you are reloading yourself
glacial light
From the comment:
||Based on what I have seen, this robot may be able to fight a...
Hope ||it doesn't count against reinforcements if they die||
sinful bay
I say it's a ||Stratagem timer||
But if it becomes a core game mechanic? Yeah would be dope
keen zinc
yeah
it should be a quick to stick long to kill but a guaranteed kill on a weakspot stick
sinful bay
A Spear
rare nymph
Gotta say, the extraction booster comes in clutch on helldives
strange vine
i think the thermite needs a partial rework. it should have NO ecplosion but do ...
iirc its currently suffering from the "DoT only works for network host" bug iirc
i believe the intent is that theres a DoT that does a lot of armor damage to degrade the armor to nothing then the explosion deals damage
sinful bay
Gotta say, the extraction booster comes in clutch on helldives
helps that much?
strange vine
an extra 20 or 30 seconds not under fire can make or break if the extract is bad
its def something where if things are going well its "useless" but if things are going poorly it can be clutch
if you expect things will be spicy then it could be worth taking
sinful bay
So good for high dif
glacial light
It seems great for 100% call in time
I think it shaves off almost a whole minute off of 4 minutes
blissful sparrow
If things are going well it saves you from 30 seconds of boring standing around
of note: the call in time debuff was nerfed to +50% iirc
sinful bay
good for high dif or mid dif?
keen zinc
its a crowd clearer
sinful bay
sounds fair
sinful bay
good boom radious too
cobalt patrol
Ye
keen zinc
it can kill whole patrols in one or two shots
hexed steeple
oh it's multiple shots per clip?
keen zinc
also its really good for jump pack since you fire from above
cobalt patrol
oh it's multiple shots per clip?
5 rounds a clip
hexed steeple
whoa... like the eruptor
cobalt patrol
oh it's multiple shots per clip?
12 clip cap.
Yeah, it's got a big arse cap
like it's absoloutey a good weapon
glad marsh
I love horizontal balancing
pastel igloo
thinking i might do some SC farming today
there are some armor parts i kinda wanna get
as well as the new warbond, though that can wait honestly
literally just don't have even remotely enough medals to do anything with the 3 warbonds i already have so there is no point grinding out the new one yet
cobalt patrol
@pastel igloo Honestly just playing the game tro get medals will get you enough SC just fine
like seriously, i own like... most? all ? of the cash shop armors now
and every warbond
pastel igloo
i know
cobalt patrol
and i have... 1.7k SC >.>
pastel igloo
i already grinded for the other two warbonds so i think i'll just do the two armors parts that i want in the shop rn and get the others later
honest acorn
How many hours in the game tho :p
pastel igloo
if i wanted to get all of the parts it would be 1000 sc which is a lot
cobalt patrol
@honest acorn My lawyer has advised me not to answer that question.
pastel igloo
i haven't had much time to play cause of school stuff
honest acorn
Haha
pastel igloo
well relatively speaking at least
cobalt patrol
@honest acorn not doing a bit: 164 hours of In-mission time
pastel igloo
i have 30 hours since i think the third?
cobalt patrol
So... A chunk of play time to say the least <.<
pastel igloo
a lot of which is from being afk as well
i'm probalby just going to grind out enough SC to grab one of the helmets and one of the armors from the shop rn
i have a spot for 50sc per run so it shouldn't take that long
cobalt patrol
a lot of which is from being afk as well
Yeah, that's why i used the in mission time. Because steam's thing shows like... 400 hours? getting clsoe to that
but like i know i've left the game on all day and shit
pastel igloo
yeah i have 15 hours in mission time
pastel igloo
15 hours of mission time in a bout 10 days
dusky solar
its like a tribes ascend weapon
Shazbot!
cobalt patrol
sinful bay
Might be useful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwOL4aURoxA found here
merry cosmos
merry cosmos
datamined content ||Looks like theyre gonna add the super earth robot from HD1 b...
Chappie!
Omg!
hot meadow
So yesterday I think I hit on the bug loadout that literally perfectly clicked for me
500 kg/cluster bombs/EATs/rover, breaker incendiary, impacts, redeemer, with the newest light armor
It feels 100% able to cover everything.
Like I just hit peak flow
Now I need to find the equivalent for bots.
glad marsh
Might be useful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwOL4aURoxA found here
I'm sorry it takes how many shots to kill a bile titan with the eruptor?
..
Or is this just to destroy the part listed?
sour whale
for the titan, i think that's just to pop the abdomen sacs, yeah
two shotting a titan with a primary weapon would be wild otherwise
sinful bay
I'm sorry it takes *how many* shots to kill a bile titan with the eruptor? <:swe...
to kill
https://youtu.be/SwOL4aURoxA?t=95 time stamped when he shows the graph
strange vine
to kill
Its just to pop the body part
Ive shot the eruptor at bile titan more than twice and it was very much alive lmao
sinful bay
Then the video guy was not good at explaining his own graph >:V
candid finch
When there are two towers spawning stuff I cannot get near
strange vine
Hehe
dusky solar
Like I just hit peak flow
Have you tried quasar?
hot meadow
I have. I love it too. In this case I brought EATs so others could use them
But I could definitely swap for quasar too
dusky solar
sinful bay
fun hiding place
merry cosmos
https://youtu.be/iRo-43IXQk0?si=IjtCCHSXbU14Uzx3
Stroggifacation
ionic holly
strog jamming even
quick crown
i wish the watchdog made robo dog noises.
tall stone
The machine gun fire replaces barking
quick crown
"No they don't bite"
Laser just decides to sustain fire on team mate for an abnormal amount of time
oblique storm
https://youtu.be/iRo-43IXQk0?si=IjtCCHSXbU14Uzx3
keen zinc
Kinda love the crossbow
Kinda a lot
Weaponized silly
Just not sure what support weapon to pair with it
fringe quiver
sinful bay
Just not sure what support weapon to pair with it
Ammo backpack and something to deal with Hulkz
keen zinc
Absolutely never not wearing Jump Pack
quick crown
AMR and ammo is still my favorite combo
keen zinc
Might do AMR but the sight still irks me
I wish the Stalwart had hitmarkers so bad
So so bad
dusky solar
working on a loadout planner to turn into a little web app, what do y'all think so far? Let me know what changes you'd make and why. Currently, all weapons are rated vs most enemies as either Strong, Moderate, Poor, or No Effect.
glad marsh
Something something that's totally eagle-1
sinful bay
https://youtu.be/SwOL4aURoxA?t=95 time stamped when he shows the graph
TIPS I missed:
- Diving while shooting near your position works for reducing self-damage.
- Sight height over bore axis can cause trouble with some cover.
- Shoot the bottom of transports for big value
sinful bay
Feedback is a type of data
keen zinc
Throws you into the lake of fire
glad marsh
That's called the sun, amko
honest acorn
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/lAl2UFoIcT
I think there's a huge community circlejerk about marksman rifles tbh
sinful bay
That's called the sun, amko
Plasma
honest acorn
I find most of the fanbase's discussion of weapon balance pretty intolerable tbh
sinful bay
Tho fire is plasma, so still works
dusky solar
cyan do you not think MMRs are underpowered?
i've used the diligence CS lately after a friend who's obsessed with it got me to try it
sinful bay
You know who else is hot and large?
MY MO-
Modern love for Democracy
dusky solar
they're just not very strong, not even "in comparison to the Slugger" which probably needs another rebalance
keen zinc
They definitely work but you want more out of something in the Marksman Rifle class
And honestly it would only help the game for the DMRs to slap a little more
dusky solar
idk what role they even need to play. maybe as excellent defense weapons where the range is more useful?
assault rifles fit the entire mid to close range assault style that the game seems to encourage heavily
keen zinc
Idk, coming from HD1 where primaries felt strong, I'd rather them feel a little stronger than they do now at least
honest acorn
cyan do you not think MMRs are underpowered?
wtf is an "MMR"
dusky solar
marksman rifle shorthand
honest acorn
I think all the marksman rifles are fine except the base Diligence
dusky solar
diligence, diligence CS, and the new one
honest acorn
Which I think is sort of ass
keen zinc
I disagree, I think all three the MMRs could be bumped up to the damage of the one "above" them and it would be good
honest acorn
Ok, I don't think that 🤷
sinful bay
marksman rifle shorthand
Sniper rifle?
honest acorn
Diligence I think is low since it feels like its on the wrong side of every breakpoint, and the liberator on semi works nearly as well
CS is sort of frustrating with the amount of precision it demands but it also 2 taps devastators from 150 meters
dusky solar
diligence CS is fine vs bots, but its handling is gross.
cobalt patrol
I find most of the fanbase's discussion of weapon balance pretty intolerable tbh
Most people are bad at this game, imho
honest acorn
I think the Adjudicator is generally pretty solid, but I think it should get 8 reserve mags not 6 I admit
175 total ammo is pretty poor for a primary which can full auto
(Liberator has 315 for comparison)
cobalt patrol
Like I don't use Marksman rifles myself because I'm a shitty shot. Doesn't make them bad, I'm just not good at them
honest acorn
Yeah I find the CS frustrating to use since tfw controller aim but when it works for me it works
dusky solar
i'm not, but I still think MMRs adon't have like....... a role because medium armor pen is not very useful
it's like squeezed out by the faction design
bots all have light armor weak spots so you're just using a lower capacity AR if you bring one
and vs bugs you need to be able to yeet the little ones off of you fast
sour whale
i think medium AP is crazy useful on higher difficulties. it's hard to consistently hit a devastator's head when 5 of them are shooting you
dusky solar
I think it's completely workable vs both factions I just think basically all the MMRs could have bigger mags
honestly I prefer the ARs because they make aiming at heads much easier
honest acorn
i think medium AP is crazy useful on higher difficulties. it's hard to consisten...
it also makes a big difference for stuff like brood commanders
sour whale
yeah
otherwise you gotta keep shooting at a smaller area
and it can be tricky to hit their necks/under their armor depending on the angle you've got on them
keen zinc
I mean
blissful sparrow
thats what the autocannon is for
keen zinc
I feel both ARs and DMRs suffer from the devs being afraid of making rifles strong
Because the Shotguns slap
And feel like good shotguns
dusky solar
yeah
keen zinc
The rifles feel like okay rifles
dusky solar
well, I think the ARs feel good
sour whale
i genuinely feel like the best DMR at the moment is... the dominator. that thing hits hard
keen zinc
Bullpups gross 
dusky solar
like the liberator is maybe one of my favorite guns
lethal badger
keen zinc
I'm waiting for the Justice
dusky solar
dominator is goated for sure, its damage is so high
honest acorn
The dominator's bad sight and 1 mph bullets make it pretty poor at long range
sour whale
yeah, it's very tricky to use at long range
honest acorn
But its a killer up close while still being precision oriented
sinful bay
The duality of humankind
sour whale
slow bullets, killer recoil, awful long range sight
dusky solar
those can both be true tho mizu XD
sinful bay
dammit XD
honest acorn
The duality of humankind
I mean I'm a dominator enjoyer haha
That's how I know its bad above about 50 meters
dusky solar
the guns with higher velocity are better when you're perpendicular to a patrol, but the dominator likes to shoot head on
honest acorn
Especially since the bullets accelerate which makes leading running enemies really weird
dusky solar
dilligence CS needs like 4 more shots in the mag 😂 cmon arrowhead pls
sour whale
i've been maining it vs. bots since the patch buffed it, and i've been loving life. except when i run out of bullets in the 15 round mag with a devastator bearing down on me 
honest acorn
I'd be good with more ammo per mag yeah
dusky solar
and less dogshit handling 🙏
honest acorn
The handling doesn't really bother me but it's not needed
I just am usually using it from far enough out it doesn't matter
south temple
i’m so hyped for the dumbass bolt action bolter
honest acorn
I do honestly think that part of the reason people don't like the marksman rifles is because they don't sound strong
dusky solar
nothing will sound as good as the breaker
south temple
like sound wise?
honest acorn
They make a sort of wimpy sounded high pitched sound like a handgun and don't have a deep booming report
honest acorn
While the AMR for example sounds good as hell
dusky solar
:evaporates:
south temple
They make a sort of wimpy sounded high pitched sound like a handgun and don't ha...
reminds me of that anecdote abt wolfenstein multiplayer balance(?) or smth
dusky solar
was that a popular reddit post
or like
decades, it seemed like none of my friends but me knew that one
and then suddenly it was everywhere lol
honest acorn
I find most of the fanbase's discussion of weapon balance pretty intolerable tbh
I went on the subreddit and was really suprised that the zeitgeist there was that the adjudicator was "unusable garbage"
Which like, I don't think its the strongest but damn
That's wild
south temple
and then suddenly it was everywhere lol
i heard abt it in a video somewhere i think, not sure tho
keen zinc
I feel like AH is heavy handed with downsides and hesitant with upsides
dusky solar
adjudicator is useless, brought to you by the same people that say the lib pen is useless
they're not very great and could both have buffs
but like...... you can win a difficulty 9 mission and get a ton of kills with either
both of them kill all the enemies you can reasonably expect a primary to
they just don't do it as well as like... a sickle
honest acorn
I see people bring the L-P a lot vs bugs since its on the right side of the breakpoints for little ones and it means you don't need to do anything funny to take out the mediums
dusky solar
or a scorcher
I play LP vs bugs for the drip
and then I get sad about the teeny tiny mags
honest acorn
I don't because I have a a chemical dependency on the B-I for bugs
dusky solar
me when I get steeled veterans
regular breaker vs bugs is still probably overall the strongest bug primary
i think it's hilarious that nobody really uses it post nerf
I don't see it often at all anymore
honest acorn
I see it a lot vs bots but yeah not so much vs bugs
dusky solar
people bring breaker to bots??? ewwwwwww
honest acorn
I think people got used to spraying the whole 20ish round mag vs them
dusky solar
"hello yes I would like to bring a scatter gun to the 'shoot the weakspots' faction"
glacial light
I brought breaker to bots pre nerf specifically for berserkers
honest acorn
I think its cause the breaker does so much damage it works on weakspots anyway and it mulches berserkers/chainsawmen/denjis
blissful sparrow
yeah, scatter just means you don't have to aim as well to hit the weakpoints
glacial light
It was really good against berserkers and jetpack exploders
honest acorn
I can buy it too the only bots I really fear are large berserker packs and heavy devs these days
But I really hate those ones haha
pale remnant
I think heavy devs are far and away the scariest for me. I should try ballistic shield some more for them
keen zinc
Punisher
honest acorn
I've been liking the Eruptor vs heavy devs
glacial light
Ballistic shield let's you tank heavy devs basically forever
honest acorn
1 shots to the head or backpack
dusky solar
eruptor is a meme vs everything
pale remnant
I really like the defender for berserkers (or the knight if you're a mega sicko)
dusky solar
one eruptor on a premade 4 stack is so good
glacial light
I love ballistic shield on bots but unfortunately defender does not do it for me
dusky solar
eruptor annihilates berserkers
glacial light
I am too sickle pilled
keen zinc
I would like to see the Scythe and Dagger buffed, the Liberators buffed, the Marksman Rifles buffed, and the Blitzer buffed
pale remnant
I should use the knight some more, I love it even if its a bit rubbish :v
merry cosmos
sinful bay
I love ballistic shield on bots but unfortunately defender does not do it for me
Same, Defender don't feel that good to use 😦
pale remnant
I think it feels pretty solid tbh
glacial light
If there was an accurate one hand weapon besides senator it'd be goated for ballistic shield against bots
pale remnant
You have to be fairly close to get the most mileage out of it, though
glacial light
90% of the time I have to walk like 10m away from a heavy dev to headshot it
Which isn't an issue cause you're invincible basically but annoying to be so have to be so close with a gun
The peeve is I'm approaching a pack of devastators from like 60m away and by the time I get within 10m my teammates have picked them off before defender has good accuracy
keen zinc
I am trying to use something other than the Punisher
And it makes me realize how much the Punisher defines my close quarters tactics
sinful bay
It's hard to let go fo the Punisher
keen zinc
I let go if it, then picked it back up, and now I'm like
sinful bay
It your primary source of damage is a support weapon, the Punisher is a perfect panic weapon
keen zinc
Nothing else hits like this handheld truck
keen zinc
It your primary source of damage is a support weapon, the Punisher is a perfect ...
Nah I use the punisher as my primary weapon for most engagements
Close up and personal
If something isn't a good target I grenade it
honest acorn
The punisher is I think unique among primaries for its insanely high stagger
There just isn't another weapon which shoves enemies back that much
dusky solar
RIP slugger
o7 to a real one
I hope they give the Slugger its stagger back and make it poor at long range
sinful bay
If something isn't a good target I grenade it
Which grenade you use ?
quick crown
I used the slugger when we had a bunch of maps vs against a lot of spitters
Because it did pretty well vs spewers
Is it still pretty good against them or is the stagger lose mean that they dont knock em out of their start up
supple siren
Spitters being durable will be forever confusing because they simply look so explodable
modest fiber
that front be heavy
sinful bay
do tell
hexed steeple
i saw one saying something like 'we have eliminated inequality' and another inviting the reader to join them
sinful bay
To join them? Huh.
I wonder if that menas you going full Servitor
quick crown
Borg it up 
golden ledge
I mean I would like to be a robot
south temple
strogg me UP
quick crown
Only if i got to choose was was robotizied
sinful bay
Necrons: Are you absolutely sure about that
south temple
Necrons: Are you absolutely sure about that
100% i’m so down (only if i get a bitchin sword tho)
golden ledge
Necrons: Are you absolutely sure about that
Yes
quick crown
100% i’m so down (only if i get a bitchin sword tho)
You will use your newly obtained long fingernails and you will LIKE IT
cerulean sluice
It's not a Servitor or Borg situation and is 100% sincere - remember that the Cyborgs were dissenters first and foremost.
quick crown
It's not a Servitor or Borg situation and is 100% sincere - remember that the Cy...
RIGHT THERE OFFICER
sinful bay
thank
rich marlin
hard to read due to the glitchy nature but yeah, surrender, equality all that undemocartic stuff
dusky solar
I don't trust the automatons like
at all
not to just butcher any humans they come across in their quest
they already got back cyberstan and are trying to get to Super Earth lol
defintely an evil vs evil situation lmao
cerulean sluice
I trust them more than super earth, who will throw Helldivers and Stratagems at anyone who dares note that their forever war is literally for oil/the theft of technology/keeping the boot on the face of dissent
golden ledge
Also I will not post the full picture because nudity.
rich marlin
is like the lore behind the automatons that they were made because the people/cyborgs on Cyberstan were afraid of super earth and made em but now their just kinda....
loose on their own because their masters are enslaved (or were enslaved considering Cyberstan is not liberated)
dusky solar
the only trustworthy faction is the bugs because they're honest about wanting to eat your face
golden ledge
I saw that react
dusky solar
:joy
golden ledge
Look, if you want to see the full picture, just DM me.
hazy oriole
tbh i like the idea of it being a "you lived long enough to become the villain" situation yknow
rich marlin
is like the lore behind the automatons that they were made because the people/cy...
after the barest of research this may just be a headcanon
dusky solar
yeah as of now we have no real idea where the automatons came from, legit
they're the children of the borgs
which means
something
i'm sure
rich marlin
wonder what's giving the overall orders to the bots. 🤔
some central AI on a planet just off the map
dusky solar
probably the squids >_> you know, aren't the illuminate at least honest about being an imperial power too?
hazy oriole
because i think the bots are at their most compelling when they're sympathetic personally
like "haha shoot this man now democracy officer" jokes aside you get what I mean right?
They don't need to be "good guys" (i mean god they have scarecrows made out of corpses around their bases and decorate themselves with human skulls) but I really like the idea of them being a liberation force that's militarized beyond their creator's intentions
dusky solar
yeah ham, that's one of my favorite parts of lancer, specifically wallflower
honest acorn
wonder what's giving the overall orders to the bots. 🤔
There was an interesting bit of ship dialogue about searching every asteroid for bots to make sure they're extinct
Which makes me curious if it isn't some kind of foreshadowing of secret bot asteroid bases
hazy oriole
after the barest of research this may just be a headcanon
They fly the cyborg flag tho, like I'm pretty sure it's more or less the same emblem as HD1
hazy oriole
yeah ham, that's one of my favorite parts of lancer, specifically wallflower
ooooo i can't wait to play it, don't spoil me yet im gonna wait and see if I can get myself in a game
sinful bay
But is their regime good?
Like
It's a working socialism because everyone has a hive mind borg mind or
rich marlin
I'm switching around my headcanon a bit XD
I think the cyborgs made em to try and counter Super Earth and of course being under Cyborg control they have the same symbol but they went whack on their own and are now kinda just doing their own thing
dusky solar
ham it's so good, and it even has space bugs
rich marlin
I'd bet money they did a Skynet
dusky solar
probably my favorite lancer content XD
south temple
You will use your newly obtained long fingernails and you will LIKE IT
but i wanna be a lychguard :(
sinful bay
ham it's so good, and it even has space bugs
I mean
Deep Fried Tarantula is a irl thing
And it's say to taste like crab
rich marlin
and now the head AI is just vibing on their own
quick crown
Best i can do Is funny scorpian robot
golden ledge
Oh yea, that character has a blade tail, I forgot.
quick crown
Deep fried spider seems like you would need to do some serious prep to avoid the pokey bristles.
quick crown
I mean
Deep Fried Tarantula is a irl thing
And it's say to taste like crab
We might as well try. The bugs keep having deep fried Helldivers every time i load into hazard 7
sinful bay
but i wanna be a lychguard :(
Skorpekh Lord at max
Then after 10k years you become a Flayed one
Sorry
dusky solar
I will drop the most heinous NPC combos on anyone who wallflower spoilers ||threatens the bug friends||
sinful bay
I will drop the most heinous NPC combos on anyone who wallflower spoilers ||thre...
I love them so much that one of my favorite pieces of art that I did is a ||bug friend|| oc I drew
dusky solar
XD
quick crown
Imagine ||Not picking Hivehome route, Never seen any player pick the other route even once||
rich marlin
if my name didn't give it away I am one of the biggest Wallflowr simps
sinful bay
I want to play wallflower os bad
But nobody in my group wants to DM it XD
quick crown
Anyway no more lancer talk in the lancer discords helldiver chat or we may bring down the democracy officers /s