Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[keen zinc]

What rewards

Samples?

[graceful bluff]

03205152

[quick plinth]

the percentage increase

[keen zinc]

Nothing else matters

[quick plinth]

also in regards to the meta, its not so much that there is a meta in helldivers as there are certain loadouts that are just outright better than the rest due to balancing

[upbeat vector]

That just feels... wrong

[keen zinc]

I don't like the railgun or shield pack and both of those are basically mandatory 8+

[upbeat vector]

Like, everyone always says "lol requisition slips max out" but like, I can buy a single stratagem every two missions what the fuck am I doing wrong?

[keen zinc]

I have bought every stratagem

I legitimately have no use for rp or xp

I'm a death captain for life

And unlocks stop at 20

[cobalt patrol]

So a lot of us are high level and doing diff 7+ missions

where we get 10k+ per mission req

anyway @upbeat vector we're doing high level stuff! come join us!

[keen zinc]

I've maxed without ever playing 8+

[cobalt patrol]

It's fun!

[upbeat vector]

...

Maybe

In...

[keen zinc]

The only thing attractive about 8+ is I hear you can get 6 supers instead of 3

[upbeat vector]

I dunno, 20 minutes?

[cobalt patrol]

5 supers on 8, 6 supers on 9.

[keen zinc]

I c

That's nice but I also got the upgrades I really wanted

[barren warren]

5-6 is where im comfortable

[keen zinc]

I'm trying to get to the point where 7 is my comfort zone

But alas I can only really get into playing seriously like 1-2 days a week

[upbeat vector]

Oh it looks like you're full

[cobalt patrol]

@upbeat vector we arent!

[unkempt flax]

https://fxtwitter.com/pinglyadya/status/1765025054793093427?t=fsT01OMPPGBn3Uy7-qHmAQ&s=33

When the game locks the most tight piece of gear under 100 creds

[keen zinc]

Me when the Executioner set came out

[stark ether]

angry eyes still my best purchase

[keen zinc]

This fucking helmet

I love it so much

[stark ether]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-eyes-teddy-bear-gif-13079403

[glacial light]

I just want 10 super samples for the last eagle upgrade

After that I'm sticking to 6

[cobalt patrol]

I find 7 to be my goto fun diffuclty

nice risk/reward

[rotund marten]

if I want to sweat a bit I go solo Helldives at this point

[cobalt patrol]

and proper hilarity

[rotund marten]

I may have been on the Skull Admiral Grindset too long

[glacial light]

I'm gonna note you two down for future maybe carry missions at 7

I can make things more difficult

By being a teammate

[stark ether]

bringing a whole new meaning to i'm doing my part

[keen zinc]

You treat EVERY mission like a solo mission

Since day 1

[glacial light]

Misc has the big protagonist vibes
"Who are these NPCs with stratagems that claim to be Helldivers"

[keen zinc]

"where's misc?" and you're three postal codes away karate chopping a bug

I feel like asking for a status report just jinxes him, because every time he voices up to say he's doing alright, he immediately dies

[meager saffron]

schrodivers

[candid finch]

Hey I had a cruel idea

want to hear it?

[keen zinc]

[candid finch]

So this would work for more Illuminate but I could see either bugs or Automatons kinda pulling it off.
Mimic enemies.
They resemble a helldiver wandering around and if they get close they jump you and chunk your damage. Similar to stalkers invisibility, but instead it's a mimic of a person.

[steady bone]

I already almost mistake automatons as helldivers

[keen zinc]

I can imagine the Illuminate will do something similar

Or make a teammate look like an enemy so you shoot your friend

Illusionists have a lot of funny potential

The rule for Illuminate is "geek the mage"

Find wizard. Kill wizard.

[limber pike]

The leaked files mentioned a status effect call ||hallucination||

[candid finch]

Yeah, there's a good chance it'll happen, but oh boy mimic divers would be rough to fight

[limber pike]

So I imagine that’s the Illuminates gimmick

[keen zinc]

I cannot wait to get to scream "SNIPER"

Bot mortars already let me scream INCOMIIING

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx8oM7i0VTa8EEubYSIscZP39tQma6gJgK?si=-dpuAnD2jou5n7CJ

[stark ether]

barotrauma psychosis effects when

[cobalt patrol]

This happens to me too a lot, just ask @stone bridge

[stone bridge]

pretty much lm,ao

[meager saffron]

it's just facts

bugs don't exist until someone asks about them

[coral linden]

misc "venom" snake

[barren warren]

i think i get the most joy out of helping brand new helldivers on their first missions

[dusty spruce]

Honestly, I'll take mimics over the control reversal the Illuminate did in the first game.
||could also see Hallucination meaning that you see your fellow Helldivers as enemies as well >:)||

[stark ether]

it is tuesday

[eager pine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b6oelk/ingame_proof_that_the_citizens_of_super_earth_are/

wtf

Why does it say mature content?

Is it cause it's spoilered and they don't differentiate between spoiler blur and lewd blur?

[cerulean sluice]

I bet that the Illuminate will be added right before/after a major push on one of the fronts (creek falling, bug home sectors opening up) to keep players from running out of gameplay from that front

[ivory swallow]

<@&1206091872716595200> any more?

[quick plinth]

maybe for a mission or two depending on lenght

[cerulean sluice]

I'm down for a dive

[barren warren]

worst part about going from the bugs to the bots: i am not used to having to use cover to not get shot so i keep randomly getting exploded LOL

[rich marlin]

Me every time i see the helldiver ping at work

[honest acorn]

mood

[crystal canopy]

I can dive soon ish

[eager pine]

Huh... https://youtu.be/8US8zvulsaw?si=Ef2zs4t7QVQZrAtO

[keen zinc]

Same

[coral linden]

joel had to nerf misc

spawned him in a wrong spot

[keen zinc]

Lmao

[rich marlin]

But that means its over

You have the high ground

Hellpods getting stuck on stuff i funny tho ngl

https://twitter.com/VICTORSECHS/status/1764281887022063670?t=Vdc49Kqo3r8jdHIatylKAQ&s=19

V6 Commission Open (@VICTORSECHS) on X

With this stratagem i summon
#Helldivers2

Twitter · Mar 3, 2024, 1:29 PM

[keen zinc]

Gunnery and skullduggery

[glacial light]

I can't wait for lobotomy kaisen helldivers 2 crossover meme

Anyone want to help me do a single diff 7 op

I just want my 10 super samples

[rotund marten]

tanktree

[oblique lotus]

tank on a stick

[graceful bluff]

Rank 7 missions are a fucking lie

We got so many fucking tanks lmao

[eager pine]

Full Metal Enema

[rotund marten]

that was a 6

[graceful bluff]

Even worse!

[glacial light]

Is there a way to take out tanks with a railgun besides shooting vents

[graceful bluff]

2 impact nades to the back of the turret

[rotund marten]

I think 6 might be slightly overtuned

[graceful bluff]

oh wait with a railgun

[eager pine]

shoot the sides a lot.

[graceful bluff]

just keep shooting the turret

[eager pine]

You can also destroy it but shooting the body.

[graceful bluff]

same with the big stationary turrets, they'll need like 5-6 shots but they'll go down

[eager pine]

I dunno what has more health/armor though... probably the body.

[honest acorn]

I believe shooting the turret in general is the same as shooting the vent for the Railgun

But they're one of the enemies they're worst for

[eager pine]

You can two shot a tank in the vent with an autocanon right?

[rotund marten]

three

[honest acorn]

Something like that

I think it's often three

[meager saffron]

wouldn't surprise me, impacts hit roughly similar breakpoints in other situations

[honest acorn]

Autocannon is so goated vs bots

[eager pine]

I'm pretty sure it takes two perfectly placed HE nades to kill a tank.

[honest acorn]

doesn't need to be that perfect but yeah

[eager pine]

Well, one and however much of the second one isn't overkill.

[honest acorn]

true

[eager pine]

Do nades knock each other around?

[honest acorn]

probably

I have mostly been using impacts and incindiary so I haven't seen it much but there's a lot of physics enabled stuff

[eager pine]

If I climb on top of thee tank I can drop a nade on top of it, but then I usually dive off and throw the second one from a few feet away since it's so badly damaged by then.

Feels like HE nades kill them quicker, but are harder to land.

QUciker than impacts I mean.

[honest acorn]

according to the stats page it should be the same but we know those aren't that good

[eager pine]

When I'm playign Eradicate missions and chucking impacts from atop the cliff it feels like it takes at least three, but I might just not be aiming them perfectly.

[honest acorn]

huh maybe it matters if they directly hit the vent or not

It's definitely 2 if you do it point blank into the vents

[glacial light]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for a diff 6 or 7 dive?

[keen zinc]

sure

[eager pine]

I'm down in a few minutes. I wanna finish my warframe dailies real quick.

[glacial light]

We have 4 already, but feel free to start another group

[honest acorn]

I might be down

[eager pine]

Cool

[honest acorn]

Oh shoot, its later than I thought I don't think I have time before I need to head out

[eager pine]

Ah ok

Has anyone else notied that some democracy officers are cyclops?

[rotund marten]

Mine has one eye, yes

[rich marlin]

Democracy officers are the dude standing next to your map right?

[stone bridge]

yup

[eager pine]

Someone stole my railgun and then immediately destroyed it and himself.... D:

Welp... that's my first time I TKed someone on purpose, cause they stole my RG again as soon as I dropped it.

[rich marlin]

Yo so the officers can vary?

Thats neat

[eager pine]

Yeah.

Different name and different appearance.

Same voice as far as I can tell though.

[keen zinc]

this is like the opposite of optimal

but

its so cool

[rotund marten]

Oh yeah, the hat that removes stats rather than provides them

at least for as long as armour is kaput

[keen zinc]

yep

[glacial light]

Does that armor have increased armor passive

[keen zinc]

and this is the medium armor that is heavier and slower

no, but the enforcer armor is like Medium Heavy

[barren warren]

Looking Cool is important

[rich marlin]

Gotta admit i really like the medic light armor thay lets you carry extra stims

Keeps me alive and looks pretty dope

[glacial light]

Combined with shields to prevent one shots you're practically invincible to regular enemies

Unless it's a big horde

Gives me a taste of what heavy armor could be

[kindred lintel]

The thing that makes the medic armor great imo is the extra 2s time

[meager saffron]

extra 2s invuln time + two extra lives is fucking insane

[kindred lintel]

Its not toal invulvnerability, but its pretty close

Also prevents injury

[meager saffron]

yeah it seems to clear ccs of all kinds

at least anecdotally

[kindred lintel]

Not slowed (from hunters), just the red box injuries like broken limbs

[keen zinc]

jesus christ i just played a quickplay with three dudes speaking spanish and it was amazing

difficulty 5 but we had fuckin conga lines of chargers showing up at objectives

one of them was running FLAME LOADOUT and we were drained of reinforces by the final obj completed

so the run to evac ended up with just me

[meager saffron]

i have been less and less impressed with napalm each time i use it

[keen zinc]

and so these three dudes are cheering me on as i am knee deep in bug guts, firing my stalwart from the hip and diving around, atop a rock waiting for extract

[oblique lotus]

stim clears status effects

[keen zinc]

its so fun to just be firing the stalwart whilst a bug literally crawls on top of you trying to kill you and you just cut it in half from below with gun

[meager saffron]

being able to stim away the vape fog status effect is so clutch

cc feels so bad

[keen zinc]

Jump Pack Stalwart is like my favorite thing

[glacial light]

What a reaction pic

[merry cosmos]

Wasn't that in the game at launch

I saw that in the menu

[keen zinc]

Maybe

[upbeat vector]

There's the HMG Emplacement, which is a manned turret you can call down

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to play in like 5-10?

[autumn plover]

i can play but cant vc cuz on with me cule

[barren warren]

Sometimes quickplay gives you the true gems

[rich marlin]

Eyes up Helldiver, more cool art of Eagle and Pelican has been posted
https://twitter.com/Heartbreak_Juan/status/1765225038062735863?t=CQqGiIH7DMqCVHLn02y6eQ&s=19

HB ✧ (@Heartbreak_Juan) on X

🪶

Twitter · Mar 6, 2024, 3:57 AM

[glacial light]

A non horny version of eagle one? I think that's a first for me

[barren warren]

She's so cool

[glacial light]

I would trust her to drop a 500kg

[autumn plover]

i think i posted one a ways up now lol

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/elnWob

thissun

[barren warren]

My mental image of Pelican is a chubby truck driver friendly type

[autumn plover]

btw i think i know the answer to this but you can see her aircraft right?

like during strats that is

[barren warren]

Ye if you look up when you call for a strike you can see her flyby

[glacial light]

Also a good one

And a french one?

[autumn plover]

that is at the very least written in french lol

[candid finch]

I really don't get how to properly use EATS against chargers and bile titans.

I know they're fast and decently strong but I'm not sure they're powerful enough

Also I just watched a Hulk eat a spear rocket and not care

[stone bridge]

For Chargers, go for the head or a leg; Leg strips all the armour off there, you can magdump a primary into the exposed flesh for an easy kill, and it'll one shot to the head if you do other damage first

For Biles, aim for the head as well, in particular you want to try and aim for the webbing between their jaws when they open their mouth

That's a one shot on hit

[candid finch]

I really need to get used to aiming when they're chasing me

I tend to just kinda run and flail

[glacial light]

I just trust the white circle

Lead the target a bit and just kind of wait said body part into the white reticle then fire

The reticle moves a bit too slow to aim it like a regular gun or autocannon

[dusty spruce]

The white circle feels more trustworthy than the ADS half the time

[candid finch]

Spear definitely needs some work tho. For something that takes that long to target when you could just be pointing and shooting it really needs to kill in one.

[merry cosmos]

Pequad Pelican-1

[glacial light]

As for chargers, if they're charging me i'll wait to the last second to charge at an angle towards and to the side

Then once they run past it gives good time to fire EATs

[merry cosmos]

"This is pelican-1. Arriving shortly at LZ!"

[candid finch]

The only thing I've seen that the spear can do that others can't is target and destroy buildings

It doesn't seem like an actually good weapon and should be treated as something to call down to deal with buildings specifically, which isn't the greatest

I want to love it so much because it's so cool .-.

[glacial light]

yea the spear could use some tuning or even a dumb fire mode

But then again a dumb fire spear is sort of like a recoiless

[candid finch]

What I don't get though is that Spear's lock on takes so long and needs MORE than direct line of sight. Like you need to try and not even have atmosphere in the way.

I've even been blown up by my own rocket because even locked on it whipped around and erased me

[glacial light]

I feel like it should probably much one shot or severe harm the current heavies we have at least considering all the setup it needs

[candid finch]

I decided to bring the AMR on a suicidal automaton mission and when a hulk followed me I panicked and just spam fired shots directly at the face and random bullet spread took managed to kill it.

And Spear still takes more than one shot.

[meager saffron]

i miss my gjallarhorn

[hot meadow]

man I've gotten so good at calling EATs in emergencies it is like reflexive now

[glacial light]

Yes I've basically memorized it in my fingers it's the fastest stratagem I could call in 1 to 2 seconds

It feels good

I like at around 6 EATs actually feel better cause there's usually at least 1 or 2 threats that warrant a call down to drop and shoot then another to carry and use later

And with bots you're constantly summoning it on cooldown anyways

[hot meadow]

I think I like it more than recoilless

recoilless is cool in concept, but it's hard to stay still for a reload

[stone bridge]

That's why you have a Loader

[hot meadow]

I do, but we have found it hard to coordinate

literally sitting next to each other irl too lol

[glacial light]

If you need more than 3 heavies killed in less than a minute RR shines cause the reload animations are staged and can be interuptted

And resumed later

[rich marlin]

A R T

#the-gallery message

[glacial light]

And you can resupply it

[stone bridge]

This combo actually feels pretty dripped out ngl

[meager saffron]

dang yeah

reminds me of some of the better destiny shaders

[honest acorn]

That’s pretty good yeah

[stone bridge]

The drone tech helmet is good, but the trailblazer hood's colour blends in very nicely

[copper crest]

https://vxtwitter.com/psuedofolio/status/1765259995988328454

[hot meadow]

geez

that kinda makes me feel things

[eager pine]

Someone with a shield pack get in there and give them a hug!

[autumn plover]

finally fought bugs

my thoughts are easier overall than bots

but if you get stuck on geometry and they can cc a bunch its rough

cuz allot of them have cc attacks

[modest fiber]

its them mass group hugs they give you

found some good shit

[stone bridge]

That's official art, even

https://x.com/helldivers2/status/1765044878386364517?s=20

HELLDIVERS™ 2 (@helldivers2) on X

HELLDIVERS! The EXO-45 Patriot Exosuits are in full production in the factories of Tien Kwan. Ready for deployment on the battlefield soon!

Twitter · Mar 5, 2024, 4:01 PM

[modest fiber]

which makes it even better

[rich marlin]

Been craving helldiving all night so I'm gonna get on and do a couple trivials/easys before bed

[oblique storm]

https://vxtwitter.com/CoobFren/status/1764941558762102990

[wind arrow]

damn, i got got

[rich marlin]

I think one of the funniest things about this game is how you can main a war

[oblique storm]

That's a very funny way of putting it yeah

[rich marlin]

I legit thought "I'm a bug war main' and now it lives rent free in my head

[alpine seal]

i've been too entrenched in the creek. i can never leave the bot front now

one time i joined up on a friend's game got boiled by an acid spitter and went right back to the machines

you know it's bad when they almost feel like family

[modest fiber]

i don't really got a main am just here to do my part.. tho bugs are simpler to fight considering they just come charging at you

not to mention dealing with a single bug breach is easier than 3 drop ships

[idle hollow]

armour works now

patch just dropped

[cobalt patrol]

I am very annoyed at the patch

...because it doesnt fucking tell me how the balance changed

[stone bridge]

oh great they're doing these kind of patch notes

why

[stone bridge]

🤝

[cobalt patrol]

Like what changed? why?!

Well, they said why

but like

[stone bridge]

That's infuriating

[cobalt patrol]

Did they go up in damage? ammo?

[meager saffron]

FATSHARK

[stone bridge]

its worse than Fatshark

These are Dominions level patch notes

"changed."

changed what?!

[modest fiber]

🤷 potato

[dusk meadow]

it's finally time to rock the heavy drip

[dusk agate]

Thicctime begins now

[cobalt patrol]

Helldivers now take damage from fire, gas etc. generated by other players.

That's gonna be fun

[dusk agate]

Yesssss

[cobalt patrol]

Helldivers standing next to ICBMs during launch will get properly toasty with a chance of not-so-spontaneous combustion.

[dusk agate]

AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE

[quartz cloak]

I do wish the changes were more specific

But I'm really glad that armour Works™️ now, allegedly

[stone bridge]

alright im booting up to check stuff

[cobalt patrol]

I was, but hten my game hard crashed

and then it startedp atching after the hard crash

so

???

[quartz cloak]

Same here, the Helldivers discord is
Unhelpful

[stone bridge]

oh

[quartz cloak]

Fucking Gamers™️ I swear to Liberty

[stone bridge]

The Breaker seems to have lost 2 rounds in the mag and I think 50 fire rate

Spray and Prey damage up to 192

Punisher damage up to a gnarly 405

[cobalt patrol]

Does that put the punisher up past the slugger now?

[stone bridge]

It always was higher by 50

but it's clean over now

[cobalt patrol]

Ah, okay, wow, that's a lot of punch on the punisher then

Def more of a consideration vs the slugger

[modest fiber]

ah yes, my time has come

[stone bridge]

Okay, gonna test the Railgun now

[modest fiber]

wait.. they didn't take that already?.. huh

[stone bridge]

They took it if you flamered them directly, but not from lingering ground effects

[cobalt patrol]

Breaker: Decreased magazine capacity from 16 to 13, increased recoil from 30 to 55
Railgun: Decreased armor penetration, decreased damage against durable enemy parts
Flamethrower: Increased damage per second by 50%
Laser Cannon: Increased damage against durable enemy parts, increased armor penetration, improved ergonomics
Punisher: Increased total ammo capacity from 40 to 60, increased stagger force, increased damage from 40 per bullet to 45 per bullet
Breaker Spray & Pray: Increased armor penetration, increased fire rate from 300 to 330, increased number of pellets from 12 to 16 per shot, decreased magazine size from to 32 to 26
Energy Shield Backpack: Increased delay before recharging
380mm and 120mm Orbital Barrages: Increased duration of the bombardment, decreased spread

They actually posted notes after everyone being very mad.

[quartz cloak]

Honestly
That's good

[stone bridge]

Oh thank god

[idle hollow]

we just got numbers

[copper crest]

Oh where did they post?

[quartz cloak]

On the discord

[stone bridge]

holy dooley those Puinisher buffs are huge

[quartz cloak]

And uhh, 'decreased armour penetration' is...
Unfortunate

[stone bridge]

It needed it fam

Let's be real

[quartz cloak]

True, but we didn't get an increase in damage for Recoilless, EATs and Spears to compensate

[copper crest]

I thought armor pen of the railgun was the railgun's job

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, exactly.

[dusk agate]

I am loving the phrase "Imrpoved ergonomics"

[quartz cloak]

Though, I will admit
Laser Cannon buff is excellent

[stone bridge]

Not when it sidelines every other anti-armour weapon by virtue of existing

Anyway I'm about to test the impact on Chargers

[dusk agate]

we shall see, we shall see

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i'm a little worried about the railgun, but we'll see

I'm very interested in the laser cannon and flamer cahnges

[dusk agate]

Y'all aren't talking about the perfect pinnacle of anti-armor, the Spear

[cobalt patrol]

also in the HEs.

[quartz cloak]

You mean the most inconsistent weapon in the game?

[cobalt patrol]

The punisher vs the slugger vs the breaker looks like real choices now, which i like.

[unreal merlin]

Railgun can lose some armor pen, because if I'm guessing right it just lost some damage vs hard armor but still is just as good vs precision targets and weak points

[dusk agate]

Unruly, unreliable, will sometimes just shoot off into nowhere for no reason, the Spear is the most perfect weapon in the game. Truly worth the 45,000 schools that could be built for the cost of each rocket fired. Perfection

[unreal merlin]

aka if you're bodyshotting devastators it's not as good but if you're hitting the joints it's the same

[cobalt patrol]

If it can't kill turrets by just plinking them at range, that's good

Little more uipset if it cant kill devs by punching straight through a shiled anymore

because the scope isnt good enough for precise shots

[dusk agate]

I want to feel the unmitigated idiocy of the military industrial complex, I want to live it

[quartz cloak]

I am happy they consider the autocannon 'perfectly balanced'

[unreal merlin]

I wanna know what the laser cannon is usable against now, because previously it was "nothing but unarmored raiders and bugs"

[cobalt patrol]

If it can murk devs and med bugs, it'll be great

[modest fiber]

as all things should be

[unreal merlin]

It makes sense to me that the LASER CANNON would have at least medium armor pen

[cobalt patrol]

In this essay i will explain whyt MCU thanos sucks is dragged off stage

[dusk agate]

Finally, I will feel marginally less stupid for the Disco Ball build (energy weapon primary, rover guard dog, orbital laser, laser cannon)

All we really need is an update with a laser turret

[modest fiber]

i still love how helldivers have united the consoles

[dusk agate]

I thought it couldn't be played on Xbox?

[quartz cloak]

Yes, but even PS players want it to be on Xbox

[modest fiber]

exactly, finally we have world peace

[quick plinth]

is there any reason they dont tell us what they're doing in the patchnotes?

[quartz cloak]

They did, after some prodding

[unreal merlin]

Disaster: they made it so Text To Speech option applies to narrating literally everything you cursor over instead of just text chat

Yeah there's no way this is staying on

and it'll get reverted

[unreal merlin]

anyway yeah there was no way they weren't gonna get bombarded for NUMBERS ON PATCH NOTES

[modest fiber]

wait, people use text to speech unironically?

[quick plinth]

the chat TTS is funny sometimes

[unreal merlin]

I had it on because I play with a bunch of people who're chat-mutes

so not having to stop and read their posts in the middle of fighting was great

[copper crest]

And also a laser sidearm

(I dare not contemplate the laser grenade)

[modest fiber]

we require more dakka

[quick plinth]

so what is the point of the Railgun now? it's basically a muskted with how it works, but now it doesn't strip armor as well so what's the point?

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, but i lowkey want a grenade that's just the laser beam from IM2's scene, you just throw it out, it pops up, and discos everything

[dusk agate]

Finally, the true discoball

[cobalt patrol]

Until we actually test things, this is hyperbole.

[quick plinth]

I know

[stone bridge]

Railgun first impressions: Safe mode glances off Charger legs entirely, you need to put it in Unsafe and it takes around 3 shots with a close to full charge to break a leg plate entirely

[cobalt patrol]

Ooof.

[stone bridge]

Haven't tried it on the head

[quick plinth]

but it seems my gut feeling was semi correct

[cobalt patrol]

But the Railgun was very good as a precision weapon

[quick plinth]

anyway I'll be trying the laser cannon now

[dusk agate]

TTS chat is always, and nomatter what game you are playing, funni mode

[quick plinth]

since I felt that it could use a buff

[cobalt patrol]

There's nothing wrong with pushing it into the role further

[quartz cloak]

Yes, armour works now

Allegedly

[modest fiber]

glorious success

[quick plinth]

what did they add another lumen to the flashlights preexisting 1 lumen

[quartz cloak]

That's twice the lumens

[stone bridge]

On testing with heavy, it does seem to work...most of the time? But I've also had random instances where Scavengers hitting me for literally 0 damage did 75% of my health

I'm not sure if this is a bug or if they somehow headshot me and headshots bypass armour entirely

[quartz cloak]

That's better than before

[stone bridge]

Certainly

[cobalt patrol]

Wait, how were you seeing it being 0 damage?

I'm having trouble parsing that

[quick plinth]

scavs sometimes just dont do damage

also I just realised that we have both Stalkers and Scavs among the bugs

[stone bridge]

They were hitting me and doing straight up no damage

Until they did the 75% hit

[quartz cloak]

[cobalt patrol]

Seems like a headshot possibly?

[cobalt patrol]

Ah, okay

[stone bridge]

Anyway, my opinion on the Railgun is that a backpackless, mobile support weapon should have never been better than dedicated AT weapons at their job - the issue frankly lies in Charger and Bile Titan durability more than anything

Which is a connected but separate issue

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i can agree with that

the railgun was honestly pretty nutty.

I'm gonna setup a loadout with the laser cannon, flamethrower, and the barrages

and see hwat happens

[stone bridge]

The nerf was warranted and I'll stick to my guns on that

But they'll need to nerf Chargers and Biles at some point imo

[quick plinth]

yes I dont dissagree that it was too good

its just that a recoilless rifle or disposable AT don't do their job that well either

[hexed steeple]

can railgun still do the armor stripping for chargers or nah

[quick plinth]

^ @hexed steeple

[dusk agate]

See, idk, I think they being noticably miserable to fight is kinda delightful

[cobalt patrol]

And my game is hard crashing again, time to reinstall, again

[stone bridge]

It can, but it takes a lengthy amount of time longer

You need to set it to unsafe and charge it up to about full to get a 3 shot

[quick plinth]

I mean mine just decided to do that some times

[stone bridge]

Otherwise it's a 4 shot to remove the leg plating

[hexed steeple]

wahoo

[stone bridge]

I hard disagree with this sentiment I'll be real

[quick plinth]

hmmm

isn't that what the masks are for?

for the gas I mean

[hexed steeple]

the gas is corrosive

that's why it also hurts bots

[quick plinth]

anyway for those just joining us

[stone bridge]

An enemy should never be miserable to fight - it can frustrate you and be annoying if you don't bring the proper tools, but if it is bad to fight at all times that's a failure of enemy design

[quick plinth]

the charger is exactly that

bile titans are whatever

you're meant to call in strategems on them

but chargers are too numerous to constantly call in shit on them

[dusk agate]

I mean, when I say miserable, I here mean "intense sturggle and suffering(funni)", and I could definitley see the argument that Charger health is a little high or weakpoint damage is a little low

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, agree. It's okay for stuff to be overwhelming or scary, but chargers are often obnoxious right now

though the changes to the Punisher might make it a good charger killer now

[quartz cloak]

So, railgun update
It doesn't seem to one-tap hulks anymore, everything else largely unchanged

[cobalt patrol]

(Do the make em skid, then blast hte legs)

[quick plinth]

it doesn't have a weakpoint

the rear is normal damage

stripped legs are weak points

[cobalt patrol]

It has multiple weak points, you're dead wrong sorry.

Back legs become a weak point if it does a skid animation after charge

it's belly is also a weakpoint

[quick plinth]

right

[cobalt patrol]

So you can bounce grenades under it and kill it that way

[quick plinth]

please do tell me how you plan on shooting under it

[stone bridge]

Charger abdomens are explosive vulnerable weakpoints

[cobalt patrol]

Grenade Launcher does well, exactly that. Bounce em under and fry hte fucker.

[quick plinth]

I mean okay fine, I was wrong but in my experience nothing you shoot at those bastards does anything unless its the stripped front legs

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ayeate/how_to_kill_chargers_with_any_weapon_no_matter/

[burnt vapor]

Has anyone tested the railgun on a cannon turret/tank yet?

[hexed steeple]

punisher looks epic now

[dusk agate]

Not that I've seen, I'd love to hear soeone's findings tho

[dusk agate]

I just shoot it in the butt.

Or drop airstrikes on everythnig in the tri-state area and pray

[quick plinth]

rear shot is too tanky

[cobalt patrol]

I do know the eyeball hit on Hulks is pretty fussy. How's the Heavy devs, can you blow through their shields?

[quartz cloak]

You can, thankfully

Same with the front on scout striders

[burnt vapor]

From what I’ve heard so far I am not super impressed with the railgun changes in the context that most other AT options remain middling, inconsistent or both

In terms of support weapons I should clarify

[quartz cloak]

We will have to check if the orbital barrages can actually hit things now

[stone bridge]

I think the Recoilless is hard slept on

[quartz cloak]

I mean, is it?

[quick plinth]

how many shots of recoilless to strip front leg armor

[stone bridge]

1

[quartz cloak]

One

[quick plinth]

them I'm just a poor shot

I blame the analog stick

[stone bridge]

Yeah, by people who aren't coordinating to get loaders

[quartz cloak]

Oh no bloody wonder

Ah

[cobalt patrol]

phew

[quick plinth]

though to be honest I havent found accuracy to be an issue with the controller thus fur

just a tad more finnicky

[graceful bluff]

O o f, railgun bounces off charger legs now on safe mode

[cobalt patrol]

Also REcoiless has staggered reloads, which is def a help

(As in you can reload in stages even if you have to dive to iterrupt)

[quartz cloak]

True, and it does have twice the ammo of a Spear

[quick plinth]

the carlgustaff imo is great its just that if you don't have someone loading it for you on bug missions, its very hard to find the time to solo load

[quartz cloak]

I guess I'll start using it now

[graceful bluff]

Honestly these railgun nerfs just seem unfun

[rotund marten]

I like that chargers are big and tanky because they're not actually that dangerous

[dusk agate]

I have found almost all the loading weapons, given time to set up with a buddy, feel absolutely ludicrous to use

[cobalt patrol]

Gonna have to try the setup stuff, honestly

[quick plinth]

the shoulder 20 is great solo

[dusk agate]

Having friends is the best, basically

[cobalt patrol]

I'm looking foward to busting out both laser and flamethrwoer and giving them a spin

[quartz cloak]

Yes, but cooperation and communication are
Largely unheard of

[rotund marten]

The art of bugwar is mostly knowing how to effectively get distance and loop them in circles, and the only bugs you actually have to kill to do that are Hunters and Stalkers

[quartz cloak]

Is it bad I genuinely prefer fighting bots?

[dusk agate]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[rotund marten]

Most people seem to and I think that's a shame

[quick plinth]

hive commanders also out speed you

[dusk agate]

It is a ton of fun, never feel shame for that, it is a blast

[quartz cloak]

Good, because despite everyone claiming it's 'more difficult', I enjoy it a lot more

[quick plinth]

its because you can actually get some reprive

when fighting bots

bugs are constantly chasing you

[dusk agate]

I think it is a really different set of challenges, also on lighter difficulties it can be a lot more interesting and varied

[quartz cloak]

True
Honestly it sounds like my bot loadout might become heavy armour, carl gustav, and the JAR-5

[cobalt patrol]

Carl gustav?

[quartz cloak]

Recoilless rifle

[quick plinth]

the Carl Gustav is the most famous Recoiulless rifle irl

first produced in like, the 50s

[quartz cloak]

Also the one the in-game one is modeled after

[graceful bluff]

Honestly them not buffing other support weapons much if at all while absolutely murdering the railgun is kinda annoying

[stone bridge]

The Railgun was not "completely murdered", crikey

[quick plinth]

the railgun is a backpackless AT solution

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, it's still good

[quick plinth]

its still good VS lighter things

[graceful bluff]

Needing 2 unsafe shots to make a charger even killable is a lot of time considering they need to be on the same leg

[quick plinth]

its just now no longer the be all and end all

[stone bridge]

The thing was a pocket superweapon that could one shot bile titans before

[daring monolith]

I enjoy both for different reasons. Bugs feel more like trying to stall the horde to get objectives done and it’s fun to just blast away without bothering with cover overly much. Bots feel like, well, bots. You’ve got to suppress, take cover, and smoke is actually genuinely useful, and it feels incredibly atmospheric to have a hail of laser fire overhead while trying to extract (something something malevelon creek)

[cobalt patrol]

yeah, the over reactions are really irriating me

Like how kill chargers? Flamethrwoer was already showing promise there.

Now it just got a stupid huge 50% buff.

[quartz cloak]

Not to range, which it needed

[stone bridge]

Yeah the Flamer might be low key cracked now

[graceful bluff]

I feel like flamethrower vs bug was always you set bugs on fire, they charge into you, setting you on fire

[quartz cloak]

Though, I don't know how much 50% extra to DOT is.

[cobalt patrol]

The damage buff is big.

[quartz cloak]

Since the DOT was previously 'bugger all', and 50% of 'bugger all' doesn't sound like much

[mortal wing]

Reports on armor so far are kind of confusing? Some claim it doesn't reset to normal until you die once, some say that previously everyone got heavy armor and patch lowered it?

[graceful bluff]

The few times I used the flamethrower it just made the enemy more dangerous rather than killing them

[quartz cloak]

Wait nevermind, I can't read

That is straight up 150% damage

[stone bridge]

The latter is absolutely not true

In Heavy I was having scavengers deal 0 damage per hit

[cobalt patrol]

the armor was previously it worked, but everything had masivley overtuned armor pen

[stone bridge]

Which never happened before

[cobalt patrol]

so they just ignored it and punced through

Like if anything , surviabliy should be up across the board

[quartz cloak]

It seems to be better, but just like armour on enemies there's issues with consistency

[stone bridge]

yeah

see: said Scavengers also dealing 75% of my health somehow

[cobalt patrol]

I'm pretty sure headshots exist on players

[stone bridge]

after a few 0 damage hits

They do

[cobalt patrol]

which is a mechanic that i hate because you have very little control over a headshot happening to you from ai.

[stone bridge]

But they shouldn't be dealing that much damage on a heavy armour player from the weakest enemy in the game

[quartz cloak]

Because the game has ludicrously complex damage/armour/sloping calculations that basically equate to rolling a d100 against anything that's not a 90 degree perpendicular hit

[quartz cloak]

We do have hit locations, we know that much.

[mortal wing]

so far both of my friends who tried in heavy armor see no difference

[quartz cloak]

I saw some difference

[cobalt patrol]

I am, no offence, not going to trust random word of friends

[mortal wing]

Yes

Which is why I said so far it's confusing

Because so far there's no consistent info at all

[graceful bluff]

But yeah if the game wants to drop a tank every minute on difficulty six, we need more consistent ways to deal with them, railgun was that

It's not ww1 I don't want to run at a tank hoping for the best while clutching a grenade

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, back in game 1 the recoilless and the EAT one-tapped cyborg IFVs and Bug tanks

Which are now called Tanks and Chargers respectively

[graceful bluff]

the literal anti tank weapon not being anti tank is just so funny to me

[stone bridge]

Bring an Autocannon or a Recoilless if you want

[hexed steeple]

this wasn't forcecasted

[quartz cloak]

Oh yeah, there's weather events now

[meager sandal]

That's great

[quartz cloak]

They didn't mention that in the patch notes

[stone bridge]

They did actually

[quartz cloak]

I saw an Ion Storm that disables your map

[hexed steeple]

sadly did not have the time to check up on any of the spots where a meteor landed cause there was. the chargers

[quartz cloak]

Oh
Lovely

I mean that in a good way, planetary variety is my favourite part of this game

[dusk agate]

When I say "suffering" in regards to helldivers, it is because I want things to be as much of a struggle as possible

it is a pain simulator and I love it so much for that

[quartz cloak]

Anyways
<@&1206091872716595200> Now that we had the patch drop, who wants to team up to stress-test things?

[hexed steeple]

yahoo

[stone bridge]

yeag

im down

[graceful bluff]

let's see what the damage is

[cobalt patrol]

@quartz cloak If/when my game gets done rowdnloading

and it's working

[mortal wing]

do tell how damage feels like with new armor values

[alpine seal]

early morning update: after a long and thorough chewing out of infantry armor manufacturers and several court-martials, armor now works as intended. liberty now protects us as it should

[mortal wing]

when you play that is

on something that's not scavengers

[alpine seal]

with that propaganda out of the way i'm very ready to stare down a heavy devastator and still get turned to cheese

[rotund marten]

You can still run them in circles more easily, same with Chargers, it's only the jumpy guys and the lightspeed stalkers that are real issues

[cobalt patrol]

Fucks sake

My game keeps crashing

"And an additional note from AHGS_Fluffy on the Railgun's balancing changes: "The Railgun was overperfoming in it's ease of use and convenience. We therefore made it so that the safe mode of the Railgun is not able to penetrate heavier armor, but the unsafe overcharged mode is still able to penetrate the heavier armor. In addition the damage that the Railgun does to massive body parts is reduced, meaning you need to land headshots and other specific weakpoint shot for it to have maximum efficiency.""

[stone bridge]

i guess headshots are the way to go

[modest fiber]

seems to make sense to me

[idle hollow]

People used safe mode?

lol

[burnt vapor]

If only they gave it a better scope then the big old red dot it has now
I don’t want much just a slightly more precise dot even if we stay at 0 magnification

[rotund marten]

Also exterminate missions are now twice as long and more intense, so it's not quite so much free farming

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, this is some hot bullshit with the crashes

[dusk agate]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[hexed steeple]

fuck yes

[dusk agate]

I am genuinely so excited for this. They felt like they finished just as we where getting started. Rip And Tear Until It Is Done

[turbid olive]

Ooh patch

Oh god fire tornados

[cobalt patrol]

Fucking hell

i just cannot run the game at all currently

[stone bridge]

Have you tried validating after install?

[cobalt patrol]

I did, i'm doing another fresh reinstall and then i'll validate immediatley afterwards

[glacial light]

Woo armor fix! Goodbye shield pack

Hello heavy stim armor

RR is back on the table

All my homies hate droppshps surviving to drop enemies

[steady bone]

oh they nerfed two guns. I thought they wouldn't..

I guess the nerf crowd screamed too loud

[copper crest]

They were kinda best in slot... and more stuff got buffed than nerfed

[alpine seal]

on armor: it's.... fine? pretty good at soaking up damage from chaff enemies but your problem matchups are still problem matchups

[steady bone]

well that's why you buff other things, not nerf stuff.

[alpine seal]

at this point i'm too used to light armor mobility to switch off, so that's likely a point of bias

definitely sounds like it's a change that will be better on the bot front though, since you get too slow to deal with huge ragdoll-type bug encounters

[copper crest]

When you end up with stuff that's way too clearly best-in-slot for people you're looking at like "buff 20 guns" vs "nerf 1" if you want an equal footing

[steady bone]

I'd want 20 guns buffed. From what I've played many of the weapons just...don't perform.

[alpine seal]

wish i snagged that one helmet that increased your armor rating so i could armormaxx with a heavy extra padding armor, see how much that actually reduces damage

[rotund marten]

railgun nerf makes sense, it pretty much trivialised any of the heavy AT because it doesn't take a backpack, is easier to use and has spectacularly more ammo

no reason to ever shoot a rocket at something

shield also, since everyone just got more durable from the armour fix

[burnt vapor]

I would love to know how much “increased delay” actually is

[steady bone]

I'm not too worried about armour or survival stuff since we've all proven we can survive while feeling like wet tissue paper.

[burnt vapor]

It being left vague has me assuming the worst

[naive dragon]

I still really like ballistic shield + smg for bot fights, I'm wondering how much more I'll like it now that armor is real

I am become wall

[glacial light]

Wall Tony

Apparently ballistic shield also works while on your back

[steady bone]

butt pan returns

[naive dragon]

I have suspected as much, I have been a turtle more than once

[glacial light]

I'm gonna have to see how the 120mm and 380mm are in like 9 hours

[alpine seal]

looks like i was wrong about this - that helmet's from level 3 of the premium pass. might invest just to find out what maximum armor looks like

[burnt vapor]

Have we confirmed if railgun can no longer pen the front armour of those yet?

[modest fiber]

in unsafe maybe? i dunno i always used a stinger on those

[cobalt patrol]

Didnt work. game loaded in, the moment i pulled up a menu, crash

[barren warren]

Ooo do we have patch notes out?

[stone bridge]

:C

im sorry Penguin

[cobalt patrol]

old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b7yqwf/charger_vs_laser_cannon_t7/ the laser cannon is looking good though

...

and now i'm fine?

Apparently

Oh, no, it just took longer to crash this time.

[dusk agate]

I love it when i get used to a thing that is objectively bad, and then once I figure out how to use it they suddenly make it better

Let's goooooooo

[cobalt patrol]

Trying a fresh reinstall of my graphics drivers, because it seems to be a graphics card problem, maybe?

nothing else is triggering a crashm, but it's crashing hard enoguh to take out hte gpu sometimes

so

[quick plinth]

for future refrence you can change reddit links to have rxddit instead of reddit so the embed works right in discord

[graceful bluff]

06939282

breaker literally being removed is a bit harsh :v

[coral linden]

fhdhdjskahskdjsh

so does light armour get you completely turned into paste now?

[graceful bluff]

I didn't really notice a difference against bugs

[coral linden]

i was under the assumption that armour not working meant everyone was at medium armour levels no matter what you wear

but that was, in fairness, a total guess

[azure pewter]

I thought it was that every attack had way more armor pierce than armor could handle so everyone was basically at sub-light armor levels but idk either

[steady bone]

from what I heard/told it was the enemies had whack armour pen, so it didn't matter what you wore.
But supposedly that's been fixed so light armour is still light (and probably has some resistance now maybe) and it only goes up from there.
but I think I'd still run light for just speed.

[graceful bluff]

autocannon feels like it bounces a lot more on charger legs

[steady bone]

autocannon does

[quick crown]

yeah

Autocannon is great but be safe, Don't hit charger faces

[steady bone]

there's so many things that autocannon just goes PYON off to the side with. any bug over...uh hard, most larger bots.

[naive dragon]

I wish I could be helldiving but alas I must job

[graceful bluff]

like a good 80% of shots bounce now

[steady bone]

it also feel slike the autocannon should have way more pierce and less explosion.

[naive dragon]

How does it do with the back of the leg trick

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b7x5pl/flamethrower_can_kill_chargers_quite_fast_now/

[quick crown]

Same... Stay strong helldiver

[cobalt patrol]

also reporedtly the laser cannon melts hulks if you stay on the eye for a few seconds

[steady bone]

Admittedly the auto cannon is for light vehicle armour.
But it'd be nice to be told what is and isn't considering light vehicle armour

[rotund marten]

flamethrower wrecks chargers, I saw the laser cannon melt a charger in 4-5 seconds of sustained hits to a single leg

I think both are perfectly serviceable in that role

flamethrower especially since it's also horde clear

autocannon kills hulks just fine, it's a two-tap to the eye

[naive dragon]

As a bot fighter I'm wondering if I'll trade rail for lascannon or not

[keen zinc]

Did armor get fixed

[kindred lintel]

yes

[keen zinc]

Does it feel good

Can I be fucking invincible

[azure pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-mgr-sundowner-sundowner-mgr-mgr-sundowner-gif-11270624629664337957

[rotund marten]

medium armour still gets chewed up by Hunters but takes much less damage from scavengers and prowlers

not sure about heavy

[modest fiber]

its heavy

[keen zinc]

Bugs are less of a concern

I wouldn't mind if razor sharp claws still hurt a good deal

[dusk agate]

this is so exciting to see, I've been monched by scavengers way more times than I care to admit

[keen zinc]

You have tools to keep them away

I really wanna know if armor helps against bots and acid goop

[cobalt patrol]

I FIXED MY CRASHING

in a very, very dumb fashion

[kindred lintel]

rocking the marshmellow armor so ill get back to you on that

[cobalt patrol]

I powered the computer down, removed the cables from my onitor, and reseated them

Do not fucking ask me why that worked

[autumn plover]

https://www.ign.com/articles/helldivers-2-patch-01000100-nerfs-the-games-best-loadout-adds-planetary-hazards

Didn't see the patch list posted so figured I'd yeet this

Honestly overall the nerfs are more like tweaks to weapons which I appreciate

With rail being the only overt nerf

Which as I understand was more or less logical due to how much it did

[keen zinc]

I expected more buffs tbh

Kinda disappointed

[cobalt patrol]

Even the railgun nerf is pretty light, honestly

like reports are coming in it's basically just charger legs it no longer kills well

[keen zinc]

Maybe next week the content drop will have the bigger changes

[cobalt patrol]

and probably tank turrets/cannnon turrets too

which is... like good? it was dumb it could kill those.

Laser feeels pretty decent so far, giving it a quick whirl!

You'll want to be careful with heat managment, but it def melts some shit now

[keen zinc]

They didn't change the jump pack much, which is okay to me

[rotund marten]

pretty sure it can still kill charger legs even

just takes a few

on Unsafe

[keen zinc]

Can anyone tell me if Stalwart hit markers work now?

Pls

I hear the punisher and slugger got buffed

[steady bone]

https://i.gyazo.com/06732dc98ba8a812e9d847b993d573da.png

[keen zinc]

Might try out the spray and pray

[candid finch]

My sweet sweet flamethrower damage increase!

[modest fiber]

good stuff

[candid finch]

oh those are hardly railgun nerfs at all

[burnt vapor]

I feel like it hit the safe mode the hardest

[candid finch]

"put it in unsafe mode" rather than anything else

[burnt vapor]

At this point I almost want them to remove safe mode so you know what you're getting into with the railgun

also so they only have 1 damage profile to balance

[candid finch]

Oh but I like having an 'unsafe mode' where I know I've done this to myself if I explode violently

the little toggle is fun

oh and they decreased the spread on the he orbital bombardments, that's good. No longer will I throw it and instantly kill myself

[kindred lintel]

they still spread quite a bit

[modest fiber]

people us it in safe mode?

[rotund marten]

flamethrower is extremely sexy now

[cobalt patrol]

Slugger has 60 rounds now

Very exciting

[rotund marten]

permanent firewall

[keen zinc]

Ye

[cobalt patrol]

also haahhahahahahaha

that was fucking funny

[keen zinc]

Someone please test stalwart for hitmarkers

[candid finch]

Oh good news that ICBM's now toast you if you're standing right next to them as they launch

[modest fiber]

a good old drum mag

[keen zinc]

Ammo pool

[coral linden]

can confirm this has wider applications on misc in general — i called an airstrike in as he reinforced and it missed him by a hair, i cry out “misc i am SO glad you’re alive!” and then he instantly gets domed

[cobalt patrol]

So.

I tell my team of utter newbies to stand away form the heavy nest

[rotund marten]

can report the 380 is pretty good now

not god tier but it's sustained firepower and great for holding extracts and knocking out half to 2/3 of a heavy bug nest without having to charge it

and yes, that happens basically every time

[cobalt patrol]

Then i call in the 380

[candid finch]

Looking forward to using the 380 more accurately

[cobalt patrol]

entire rest of newbies proceed to die

desptie the repat warnings

funny as hell

[candid finch]

I swear sometimes they wait for one boom, then run in

and it's like "no this is more than just ONE boom"

they're used to single strike orbitals

[graceful bluff]

2 fully charged railgun shots(unsafe so 90%) doesn't break charger legs fully

lmao

[candid finch]

Also the gas friendly fire WAS off and now it isn't any more

[cobalt patrol]

The orbital barrage lasts for a full 30s now

fully upgraded

[dusk agate]

Might we get a pin for the patchlist? Just cause I know folks will be lookin' for it?

[cobalt patrol]

And yeah, flamethrwoer liquifies chargers now

it's not super ammo efficent, but it will absolotuey kill a charger and mot of it's frineds in a few seconds

[candid finch]

Oh I actually came here to chat about an idea because I don't know why people haven't suggested it yet. You know what other game was a recent thing about living in a capitalist hellscape where your lives are disposable and everything sucks?
Lethal Company / Helldivers Crossover when?

[glad marsh]

Are we gonna ignore the obvious DRG crossover

[candid finch]

Patchlist in that article

[glad marsh]

Or the EDF crossover that will never happen

[candid finch]

otherwise it's on the steam

[glad marsh]

...wow there are quite a few games with 4 player co-op where you fight bugs

[unreal merlin]

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[glad marsh]

:0

[unreal merlin]

Ka-ching

[candid finch]

I just like the idea of sending in Lethal Company drones afterwards onto the planet after it's been savaged and you've got to go and collect the resources back up

collect all the dropped weapons and strategem balls

[cobalt patrol]

How'd that happen?

[unreal merlin]

Diligence in scavenging.

Somehow.

[dusk agate]

https://tenor.com/view/audrey-hepburn-what-glasses-shades-gif-8612697

[unreal merlin]

In other news, laser cannon is much more usable, as is flame thrower and the 120/380 barrages

Good buffs

[candid finch]

Sal coming in with the true power of democracy

[dusk agate]

So excited for the flamethrower to be good now, it was already fun and maybe now it can be viable

[unreal merlin]

If you toss a 380 into the center of a large bug nest odds are good it'll hit all the holes

[dusk agate]

Also, hyped to make 380 barrage choices that all my friends will wail in agony over respect and complement me on the efficacy of

[graceful bluff]

4 shots to break a leg this time

what the hell

railguns 100% dead vs cahrgers

[unreal merlin]

Like all dangerous strats, awareness is key. If one gets thrown out everyone needs to be aware of it so they can back off and wait

[dusk agate]

What's the new 380 duration now btw, does anyone have the info on that?

[unreal merlin]

Something like 20 seconds

[dusk agate]

I thought it had gone up?

[unreal merlin]

I was too busy killing bugs to watch the timer

It lasts a long time though

[cobalt patrol]

30s fully upgraded.

[dusk agate]

actually, 30 seconds of barrage seems like an a w f u l lot thinking about it again

But, I suppose, sometimes you just needa clear extraction and you don't have any other way

What's the worst that could happen?

[cobalt patrol]

It's absolotuey got a role now as a base breaker

and as a "fuck this direction"

I would probably want someone with the extra throw range to be carrying it

[dusk agate]

Love the category of tools that just reads "make this place over here Bad™️"

[cobalt patrol]

also, the laser cannon is sweet as hell now. On chargers it starts boucning off initally

but

sustained fire literally melts a hole in the charger's armor

you can literally see the hit effect change as you keep the fire on

and then the goo starts steaming out and the charger dies

flamerthrower is quicker, but riskier and also ammo issues

[dusk agate]

It was always supposed to be a sustained fire tool, so that is great to hear

[cobalt patrol]

but having someone bring either of those with droney? Oh boy, you are gonna clear some bugs

[dusk agate]

maybe this stratagem buff was the charger nerf folks where looking for after all

[cobalt patrol]

Big issue on the flamethrwoer is still range, but it does kill shit very fast

and it's ammo and reload are still a problem, but it will sweep up crowds of little guys

or about 2/3rds a mag is enoguh to do in a charger, and it'll probably wipe out incidnetails

[candid finch]

30 secongs at full upgrade I think was said

[cobalt patrol]

Laser you ahve to manage heat, which is a problem

(You only have one replacement heatsink)

but like, it'll splat spewers, chargers, etc

and Laser/Slugger/Laser Drone is a very good generalist bug setup

Laser does in chargers/spwewers, and i'll bet it does good work on a bile's face too

Slugger for mediums

laser drone cleans up

[candid finch]

Can I also say, this has been a consistent turn around. These devs are super on the ball.

[rotund marten]

@keen zinc no stalwart hitmarkers

[keen zinc]

Also I hear that armor is mostly worse now

[cobalt patrol]

I feel slower? is the main thing i'm noticing

But also i changed my graphic setitngs to turn down visual clutter while i was trying to fix things

so its' entirely possible my brain is going YOU ARE MOVING PAST LESS STUFF SO YOU ARE SLOWER I AM VERY SMART

stupid grey matter

[autumn plover]

In theory armor should be better now though right?

[keen zinc]

Apparently it's worse now

It takes LESS hits to kill in heavy armor now, according to the testing videos I'm seeing

[autumn plover]

Weird

[modest fiber]

so far feels more durable to me

[keen zinc]

I'll have to test it

Maybe bugs just have high AP melee

And at least it being fixed means they can tweak it better in the future

[full iron]

I see a lot of people malding about these changes on twitter

but a lot of these seem really good

I wish they'd buff stuff like the counter sniper

but still

[keen zinc]

Spray and Pray at least matches my current armor getup

[full iron]

oh yeah

[hot meadow]

Eh folks will mald over anything

[candid finch]

It's twitter as well

Like ugh

[full iron]

now that armor's been fixed, recoil-dampening armor is more viable

I'm a bit miffed about the shield pack nerfs but I think they're warranted

[modest fiber]

i mean yea twitter.. thats enough i needed to hear, the point is invalid

[unreal merlin]

People will scream and cry about anything. They're good changes imo, even against the folks who say everything should only buffed instead of nerfing down

[full iron]

I mean

[kindred lintel]

railgun requires 3 overcharged shots to a chargers leg to core it now

[full iron]

the breaker isn't even that nerfed

[unreal merlin]

Railgun and breaker clearly over performed and invalidated not only other weapon choices but performed too well in too many use cases

[full iron]

oh, it can still pen charger armor?

[unreal merlin]

And yeah they're not even bad nerfs, both are still totally usable

[kindred lintel]

yea but you need to oc it

[unreal merlin]

It's just FAIR now

And anyway, from what I interpreted the Railgun still serves the role of a scalpel. Its direct-armor damage got nerfed but that says nothing about what happens when you hit an unarmored weak spot like on devastators

Which would mean you can just keep cutting them in half at the waist

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, variety is good. There's still going to be a role for a railgunner - it can still one shot heavy Devs right through their Shield, apparently.

But now you've got reasons to see stuff like lasers or flamers on a team

[unreal merlin]

Headshot will do that, I imagine waist shots and direct hitting the heavy devastators' ammo backpack counts too

[candid finch]

I'm looking forward to bringing a flamethrower to the bugs

[hallow hornet]

This is probably one of the game design takes that I dislike the most whenever it comes to balance changes

tbh

the "everything should be buffed, nothing should be nerfed" mindset I mean

[kindred lintel]

I honestly like that I don't feel pressured into railgun now

[full iron]

I'm curious how these changes will affect bots

[graceful bluff]

Problem is that like, I've tried the railgun in a few missions now and there just doesn't seem to be a good role for it anymore at least for bugs, it just either bounces off or does barely anything armor strip or damage wise against bigger targets

just isn't fun anymore is the most important bit

[kindred lintel]

for bugs*

[cobalt patrol]

If everything is buffed, you just end up with slurry

[full iron]

true

[cobalt patrol]

Sharpening roles helps a lot

[graceful bluff]

like legit if they didn't touch railgun this patch people would still be using the newly buffed things way more

[cobalt patrol]

Niche protection and all that

[full iron]

the tightening of the 120 and 380 are a godsend tho

[kindred lintel]

its still not great, not versitile enough

[graceful bluff]

It needs a 3-5 degree aim on every shot imo

[full iron]

I think that's fair

[graceful bluff]

just to reduce the randomness a tiny bit

[full iron]

but it's more consistent now

which is good

[full iron]

if this is what you want, the 110mm rocket pods kinda fill that role

[graceful bluff]

Do rockets actually work now

[full iron]

?

wdym

[unreal merlin]

It ignores the notion that there's an intended level of power things are supposed to be played at. Say if all the other guns were buffed to compensate for the breaker and railgun, now EVERYTHING is too strong against the enemies and the enemies have to be rebalanced because of it too

[barren warren]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/4113546867235200192?l=english patch notes if they havent already been linked / another link for ease of access

[keen zinc]

Now that armor is working they can get an idea of balance for it

I expect it'll be buffed

[unreal merlin]

110 rocket strike was always a good pick but needed the right circumstances vs certain enemies like chargers (not moving) or hulks (relatively small top profile)

[barren warren]

" fire tornadoes" scares me

[keen zinc]

But I was already running this so "optimal" isn't in my dictionary

[unreal merlin]

It really shines vs automaton bases when you just need to pop the assembler in a quick fashion

[barren warren]

Improved flashlight efficacy
:D

[keen zinc]

But the spray and pray will work very nicely with this look

[barren warren]

ty leika

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, you can see this in StS, where due to patches generally pushing power level up, while some stuff became more viable, you also got issues - infinites became more of a thing, which crowded out other strategies. Notably silver bullet cards (caltrops being the classic example) fell off, because why bother with a narrow solution when more general ones exist?

StS still very well balanced, but it's still a thing tm

[alpine seal]

been running the laser cannon recently, it does a surprisingly good job on bug missions

melts through any non-charger bug and can still hit chargers with butt shots

[kindred lintel]

it pens armor now which is the big part

[alpine seal]

bots not so much since you don't have the ability to hold sustain for long, but i did one or two runs and it menaces hulks better than i expected it to

[unreal merlin]

I saw earlier that if it's focused long enough laser cannon can get through some charger armor

[burnt vapor]

Yeah the problem is keeping it in place on the charger since they move so much

[unreal merlin]

And having what seems to be medium pen helps vs bots even though I really wouldn't consider the laser cannon a good tool vs them anyway

Wonder if laser and energy weapons will shine some more when the squids show up with their energy shields

[burnt vapor]

It might be pretty good against them now since it should be able to cut through devs pretty quickly

[burnt vapor]

If it’s anything like the first game I expect the MGs to go hard as the squids always lacked heavy armour

[unreal merlin]

Tru

[alpine seal]

the stalwart is the counter for an enemy which has yet to arrive mark my words

[cobalt patrol]

3-5 seconds on the leg punches a hole, they die pretty fast after that

Possibly longer, but it absolutely does them in. It's basically an ammo and range question. Laser has the range and ammo, but it's slower. Flamethrower lacks range and ammo, but murks way more

[alpine seal]

ahah

[keen zinc]

The stalwart is a counter to almost everything

Love that gun

Really wish they'd give it hitmarkers

[alpine seal]

it played the deflect vfx so i thought it wouldnt go through, i needed sustain

good to know

[rotund marten]

I was not very impressed with laser cannon vs hulks because it's hard to hold on the eye, but it works fine for everything else

[alpine seal]

yeah

good bug weapon for sure

been running a silly all laser loadout with laser cannon guard dog scythe orbital laser there, though unfortunately the scythe wasn't touched and is still not all that great compared to something like the breaker incendiary

[keen zinc]

Apparently the Spear now gets a missile back from standard ammo pickups

Huge if true

[hollow plover]

Big huge

Having ran a bit, the Breaker still performs really well

It's just hungrier now

[quick plinth]

istg people will mald over anything

just outrage as a default response

[keen zinc]

I hope armor gets tweaked in future updates

I'm kinda sad to how it is working "as intended"

I'm still gonna run my silly build but y'know

[quick plinth]

tbh now I'm just incentiveised to run the default armor

since it has the protection of heavy but mobility of medium

[rapid scaffold]

They buffed my beautiful 380mm boy

[alpine seal]

seems flamer is truly the dedicated charger cooker weapon

[unreal merlin]

Can confirm, just roasting a charger is a viable way to kill it

[keen zinc]

I'd say Light Gunner armor is probably best now, light armor with extra padding

Light armor is still probably best

[glacial light]

Give me heavy armor with the armor perk

I want to be an absolute unit

[upbeat vector]

Wasn't there a Super Store armour that had that?

[azure pewter]

Yea

Fortified commando armor

[modest fiber]

yea.. i got a feeling they gotta buff heavy armour, considering the starting medium armour has the same armour rating it feels a bit.. meh

[candid finch]

Does the starting medium armour have any bonuses?

[modest fiber]

beyond giving extra armour not really

[candid finch]

Then that's the pay off then

No bonuses, but you get some extra armour

I wonder how I'm going to hold up with light armour now

[alpine seal]

gonna be one next superstore rotation

for friday

oh was already said - well that's when it is!

[unreal merlin]

The Creek has evolved in its ever present cruelty and suffering
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[dusty spruce]

Don’t care about the weapon balances, since they seem sorta minor (maybe just hoping for a buff to the recoil less at some point)
But I love the new hazards

[candid finch]

The flamethrower is a great buff from what I've heard

And I'm super eager to try out the new horrifying hazards

[modest fiber]

thats the fun part, you don't

[upbeat vector]

Just don't get hit

Shouldn't be hard, that's why you're using Light Armour anyways isn't it?

[candid finch]

And for everything else there's stims

[steady bone]

I just was doing creek, and ate a single rocket to the face and survived on one HP effectively.

I was on light armour

before I would have died regardless.

[stuck wind]

howdy, i have been directed here for extreme helldiving action

i also sometimes play lancer but mostly right now i'm here to die ignonimously for managed democracy

[rotund marten]

The 50% reserve ammo pool buff has strengthened my already extant opinion that the Slugger is the best gun