Monster Hunter

[outer heron]

with however little hitstop that had

[hearty kayak]

it wasnt everything just a few attacks felt a bit too much like like the ls counter could be really silly if there was too many little monsters around the hit too

[brave hazel]

Oh, yeah, you'd hit a few and you'd be stuck a full second and a half sometimes

[full sage]

that... explains a lot about why all the trailers felt meh

[bleak halo]

Deviljho you're a bit late

[bleak halo]

game please no more gems I just want the spike+

[desert light]

The Desire sensor hungers

[bleak halo]

Okay that makes up for it

[bleak halo]

Why does it take 12 of these things to get the royal burst

[desert light]

How else do you make it properly spikey!?

[brave hazel]

You know what I hope for most in Wilds

I hope I get to High Rank and just suddenly hear his theme out of the blue one day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH2uF7WEqDQ

[red gazelle]

Nooo!

Please

Have mercy

[brave hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-mh-bazelgeuse-bazelgeuse-approaching-bazelgeuse-near-you-gif-2229758841050207900

[red gazelle]

Nah that’s it

I’m done with that thing

[red gazelle]

I’d rather fight black veil

[rich valve]

Rise Bazelgeuse was sad (just wasn't very aggressive) I hope invaders are annoying again

There's good potential for it given how the maps are

[hearty kayak]

rise is very arcadey

monstesr exist to be ffought by the player and nothing else

monsters in world act like they have their own stuff to do

[desert light]

PRetty much

I actually hope they tone down the spiritbugs in Wilds a bit

or let us tone em down\

just so we can enjoy the world more

(I found them v. intrusive in the beta)

[hearty kayak]

i didnt see any in wilds

[void narwhal]

The tracking bugs pointing out every single interactable object felt kind of excessive

[hearty kayak]

oh the scout flies

[void narwhal]

I don't know why the game thinks folks won't know, given they have unique models, map icons, highlight when you aim the slinger..

exploding green clouds constantly as you move is pointless and looks weird

[stuck needle]

if not, toning down particle effects seems extreemly modable

[void narwhal]

would love to not have that be the solution to things as I'm playing on console

[stuck needle]

true.... is the beta feedback form still up? that's worth throwing on there. they had a pretty ridiculous amount of customization even in the beta, and toning down UI elements seems very in line with some of that

[void narwhal]

You can at least turn off the horrid on-screen log of items they're highlighting

[balmy swan]

I mean... I frequently don't 😅

If anything my problem is that I see an item pop up in the scoutfly log and then have to spend thirty seconds figuring out where the hell it actually is

[void narwhal]

It's more distracting than anything! And in that time fifty more things ran through the log idek. It definitely needs at least a filter

[real zodiac]

Rise bazel had some neat additions to its moveset but broadly world barely was much better

Bazel is a personal fave

[rapid lion]

...I'm going to get back into World, I think.

not going to start a new character, though, I don't think?

[bleak halo]

Probably a good idea

Unrelated, Vaal Hazak time, wish me luck

[rapid lion]

...I got confused, forgot what I needed to farm (I think, judging by my playstyle, I'm going to want to get Kirin armor, but I don't really want to farm Kirin right now), and closed out...

I do not recall enjoying hunting Kirin but I think I'll have to do it a ton of times. The alternatives are deviljho, double tempered bezelgeuse, or the crossover content stuff.

[bleak halo]

What do you mean it's already dead

God I love wide gunlance

[hearty kayak]

i think vaal hazak is the easiest elder dragon

[bleak halo]

I do remember that being the case yeah

[balmy swan]

Lmao I had exactly the same reaction when I hunted it with swaxe the other day

I always pack nullberries and they basically trivialized the fight

[vocal haven]

Val do be p squishy

[mystic cape]

TBF Vaal has a lot of zones that get squishier when you break them which helps.

[rapid lion]

uugh. I'm gonna have to farm Kirin I think...

[frank epoch]

It's not too bad

[rapid lion]

Yeahhhh it's just not one of my favorites. I'm also gonna have to farm Teostra I think (I... don't think I need to farm Lunastra yet?) and I want to get kirin armor before I start farming non-Elders because it gives bonus capture rewards and I usually capture.

[frank epoch]

I should hop back into World and help people out with shit they don't like

Grace them with my magnanimous hunting horn presence

[rapid lion]

well I don't want to just be hard carried with master rank gear, is the thing.

That said I'm very close to the teostra dual blades which are one of the only weapons in all of World with multiple elements, and that's neat.

[stuck needle]

Iirc (I haven't actually fought Kirin since coming back for Iceborne), it crumples hard if you can bonk it's stupid head with blunt damage. Hammer or horn make it cry.

[rapid lion]

Well, I'm maining dual blades, but I think there are some that might do that?

also I want different armor because I want to use legiana gear for greed but it's lightning weak.

...I keep wanting to get Iceborne sometime, but I don't play World enough for it to make sense. It's just awkward having the game without the DLC.

[hearty kayak]

its cheap right now

nvm

it was a few days ago

[rapid lion]

honestly I shouldn't be spending money on games period, but especially not on DLC for a game I haven't completely beaten the base game for

[hearty kayak]

you do get the clutch claw and new moves even before you beat the base game

[rapid lion]

yeah, but the base game was designed without those in mind. Except for the retroactive addition of claggers but never mind that.

[bleak halo]

Welp, time to try to get a downy crake for a quest

I’m sure this will be quick 🙂

[rapid lion]

I remember having this whole relative order of operations in my head of which order to fight stuff in... ...I figured out a good reason to start a new character, besides clearing up this ambiguity: I can do the arena and optional quests before I'm way overpowered for them, since I accidentally skipped a bunch.

[bleak halo]

Don’t arena quests use fixed loadouts ?

[gentle knoll]

they do

[rapid lion]

The special arena ones, on the questboard. Not the ones in the multiplayer hub.

[bleak halo]

Ah, got it

[balmy swan]

I went back and did a couple of LR special arena quests with HR gear

...they did not take long

[candid bone]

Is wild on steam or something? I've seen videos about it and i' ready to be guy with the fattest shield imaginable

[frank epoch]

there was an open beta this past week/weekend for pc and all current gen consoles

ps5 got a few days early access

[mystic cape]

But yes it is releasing on Steam

[candid bone]

Ah I see so it's a ps5 thing

[final hedge]

it's been widely demo'd at game shows in the past few months

and yeah there was a public steam beta recently

[snow helm]

there was a PC beta too, at mostly the same time

[rich cobalt]

Just to ramble a bit, the wound system is Wilds is such an improvement over the clutch claw

[hearty kayak]

i kinda wish the sns kept the cluchclaw

[rich cobalt]

Like an interesting sub mechanic that doesn't devolve into an annoying minigame about clutch spam +wounding the right spot.

Now you get wounds by playing actual Monhun

[hearty kayak]

i am dispointed how lacking db feels like when compared to other weapons

[rich cobalt]

DB has always been kinda shallow

Which it's good to have weapons that are pretty simple gameplans

[rapid lion]

dual blades is fun but I am... a simple person in some ways. My other main was insect glaive.

[hearty kayak]

i feel like sns is a good example of you cna have simple and depth

i think maybe they s hould have let it keep its jump from rise in some way

[brave hazel]

Christ

Tried to help someone with a barioth

Someone else got hit with those stupid fuckass tremors and got stuck in the "Ouuuuuuuuuuuuh I fell :[[[[[[[[[" animation that lasts for too goddamn long, got onetapped by the jump and used the last cart

I fucking hate that stupid mechanic

Ground shakes and suddenly you're crawling around for the next ten seconds like someone hamstrung you

[stuck needle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-impact-thrown-gif-12272860

barioth transports you to the set of star trek

[rich cobalt]

They kind of did. It just got moved to its focus attack

[hearty kayak]

oh i only tried stuff on the dummy bareel and didnt see any jump

[bleak halo]

…wait, I only have like three quests until I get to master rank
Why the hell am I grinding for high rank vaal hazak armor it’s gonna be outdated after like three iceborne quests

[frank epoch]

Drip

[bleak halo]

Oh right I need to get the gem for the guard 3 charm

[hearty kayak]

i never really used that much guard

[brave hazel]

Y'all know any armors that look good with the Shara LBG?

[bleak halo]

Kushala daora is dead 😌

[bleak halo]

Xeno time!

[brave hazel]

Best monster

Love my weird glowing alien dragon

[red gazelle]

I like nergigante and the thingy from ice borne (the last one)

[rapid lion]

my favorite is honestly probably Legiana with Odogaron in a close second, at least in terms of their fights especially (but I also like their gear and their aesthetics... but the fun of the fights might be skewing that assessment).

[red gazelle]

If you get iceborne there’s a cooler legiana in there, really liked that one

[rapid lion]

yes, I understand most thigns there were cooler. That's sort of the thesis of an ice zone. 😛 but seriously I'm glad the variant legiana is good.

[bleak halo]

And it's dead! 😌

[candid bone]

Should I wait for wild or should I get a MH game when my pay comes around?

[desert light]

@candid bone really depends on what you're looking for.

If you want the community experience, and have a grunty computer: wait for Wilds.

If you're wanting to dig into an existing game with a huge backlog of content, then both World & Rise will treat you well

[gentle knoll]

i wonder if recommending GenU would be making first impressions too inconvenient for kukri...

assuming kukri can even get ahold of a switch/a means to play switch games

[brave hazel]

Kukri?

[candid bone]

Me

[brave hazel]

🫵

You

Had a funny moment just now

Was fighting tempered teostra and I got stunned waaaaaaaaaaaay outside of its nova range

So I think "Oh I'll be fine"

Host gets caught and carts

"...she won't be though"

[desert light]

Yeah, dont

I dont think that's a good call at all.

@candid bone https://isthereanydeal.com/game/monster-hunter-world-iceborne-master-edition/info/ has Iceborne + MH for 15 bucks usd.

[candid bone]

not sure how many hours i can sink into the game tbj

[desert light]

Look a,t 15 bucks i think you'll get a lot out of it

The structure works poretty well for [pick up and play segments if you're not planning to do it long term

[candid bone]

thats great tbh

i'll go for it

[desert light]

Like just... pop the game open

do a hunt

Hunts take about 15-20 minutes usally

and can be faster

you can work through teh story slowly etc

dont stress about optimizng your build or shit

that's endgame stuff and you can just have fun

[naive elk]

i got a decent amount of value out of World

[candid bone]

is this telling me its on sale on steam right now?

[mystic cape]

Yeah, only real grinding mid story should be either because you like an armor piece or a weapon. Or you're insane like me and decide to make every available Longsword just to have every available Longsword.

It's through a site called "Fanatical", but appears to be the Steam version

There's a list of stores beneath the product, you click on those to get to them

[desert light]

At faniactal

https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/monster-hunter-world

Fantatical*

who are reliable.

[candid bone]

Is lance a good weapon? i know its tanky but thats about it

[mystic cape]

There are no bad weapons, only weapons you don't know how to use effectively

[rich valve]

it's hard for someone to pick a weapon for you because it's basically "what kind of gameplay do I enjoy"

lance is about constantly doing a reliable but middling amount of damage, being unkillable, and counters

also having a huge shield and weapon which are both cool

[desert light]

Yeah, "Good wepaon" is entirely subjective

[mystic cape]

Also playing Initial D music when you do the running move

[desert light]

like me, i'm a Greatsword and Dual Blades main

Greatsword is big chonky hits

[candid bone]

true, i should probably play a bunch of weapons and see what sticks

[hearty kayak]

sns is one of my favorites

also charge blade which a new player should def not pick as their first

[desert light]

And can tackle where you get hyper armor

while dual blades is "I woke up[, and i picked ANGER."

[mystic cape]

If you plan on trying before you buy I recommend picking one Hunt as your control. Like Great Jagras or Anjanath, something simple you can use as a benchmark.

[desert light]

"and i channel that anger into becoming a living blender"

Duals do have some compleixty in that they're very reliant on elemental damage

but that's more of a mid-late game thing

(as a rule of thumb, the faster your weapon attacks or the more multi hits it has, the more it cares about elemental)

while greatsword generally Does Not Give A Shit.

and just goes NUMBY. BIG.

CRUSH

[rich valve]

one neat thing about monster hunter is that usually the controls & moves of the weapons are not that different at the end of the game compared to the start, you just have more extras

[desert light]

actually, this is probably more helpful @candid bone

Greatsword: Big Hits. About charging your attacks
Longsword: Be the weeb. Giant katana, counter attacks
Sword and Shield: Fast and mobile, can use items while it's got it's shield drawn.
Dual Blades: You are a living blender. A very, very angry living blender.
Insect Glavie: You have a giant staff to smack people with, and a bug buddy on your arm you throw at people.
Lance: Tanky and surprisingly mobile. Also you have a giant shield.
Gunlance: Giant shield, giant lance, the lance is also an explosive launcher. A point blank expl soive launcher
Hammer: Charge attacks, but you're mobile and can knock monsters out by hitting them in the head, so you can... keep hitting them in the head
Hunting Horn: PLay sweet music by bonking monsters on the head.
Light bow gun: SHoot monsters while running around
Heavy Bowgun: SHoot monsters with a machine gun
Bow: You havea bow. A really, really really BIG bow.
Charge Blade: YOu have a sword and shield! Which combines into a GIANT AXE! that STICKS BOMBS TO PEOPLE. And has Guard Points where you auto-block dduring specific transfomrations! It's a surpsingly simple yet complicated weapon! and you can turn your axe into a buzzsaw!
Switch Axe: You have a giant axe! That turns into a giant sword! You can stab teh sword into monsters, ride on them and then set off MASSIVE EXPLOSIONS

Every weapon has a gimmick too - like Greatsword has it's charging, hammer also has charging, Dual Blades has a stance system of sorts, SnS can use items while having it's weapon drawn (Which sounds whatever, but lets it do some incredibly what the fuck bbq shennagins in the hands of a good playter). Charge Blade has a whole ammo system and laoidng ammo into the weapon to empower etc

there's a LOT of depth to explore

[red gazelle]

I started with cb

Don’t do the same thing

If you want a weapon you learn how to use fast

[crude kayak]

Did anyone tried Insect Glaive in the wilds test? I know I'm asking a bit late.

[rich valve]

I did not but apparently it's got quite different priorities than in the last couple of installments

[crude kayak]

I didn't really felt it, partially because controls just felt awkward? Had to claw a bit.

Also why do they change button to send out your kinsect in every game?

[brave hazel]

...tried doing Day of Ruin

For some reason the ENTIRE team elected to fight the thing in the tiniest possible space

[red gazelle]

Thinking about playing world again and doing some switch axe stuff

[brave hazel]

Dewit

[red gazelle]

Idk

Mh is most fun with friends

[stuck needle]

"Oh, if I want to try bow I should start doing My Name is Laviosoth occasionally so eventually I can get a Mighty Bow jewel"
first hunt:

[graceful snow]

I miss wilds already

[mystic cape]

Alright who just deleted the Dual Blades clip while I was in the middle of watching it?

[mystic cape]

Jeezus

[bleak halo]

Leshen dead, with the pukei pukei still alive 😌

I was expecting keeping it alive to be harder

[mystic cape]

Now you get the best ending

[rapid lion]

oh yeah I'm gonna have to do that too...

[brave hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-floating-gravity-screw-asdf-gif-15108620

[brave hazel]

It is a large monster

...tbh

I wish that a rathalos would've came to help instead

Would've been cooler and more fitting since it's THE MonHun flagship

[mystic cape]

Yeah but that kind of brand recognition costs the big bucks and they already had to get Gerald for the project /jk

[brave hazel]

Lol

Honestly, rathalos would've been a much better decision

[rapid lion]

People won't go "aww poor birdy" with Rathalos, in part because it's less like a bird.

[brave hazel]

The issue with pukei is how weirdly frail it is, but if your friend you're trying to keep alive refuses to get the FUCK down, it's a lot harder to kill em

[rapid lion]

Canonically Pukei-Pukei is also a brood parasite and all-around asshole actually, so... yeah, why did they pick it? Because it's new?

[mystic cape]

Also small enough to reasonably get trapped by the roots

[rapid lion]

True.

[bleak halo]

I mean yeah, but for some reason it seems to die for everyone else

[rich valve]

i think it living there and not being very big were basically the two crucial factors

[mystic cape]

You know what would have been awesome though? You set free a Rathian, and then she brings a Rathalos with her to the final confrontation.

[rapid lion]

and it's more birdlike than the next best option, tobi-kadachi.

[brave hazel]

Tbh

The absolute coolest shit would've been Nergigante

"WHO THE FUCK IS UP IN MY SHIT DISTURBING THE GODDAMN ECOSYSTEM, I'LL KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS-"

[mystic cape]

Maybe, but Nergi is rarely seen outside of the Elder's Recess (and this was before Iceborne)

[brave hazel]

True

Tbh a little Nergigante show-up in the crossover monsters' fights would've been SO fucking hype

[rich valve]

nergi would be a bad teammate he'd take up the entire camera and constantly stagger you out of animations

[rapid lion]

also it means making a power level declaration, in a way that the "lower level" Pukei-Pukei wouldn't.

[rich valve]

and then carve before you...

[brave hazel]

Like the bit in the Allmother Narwa fight where Magnamalo, Kushala, Teostra, and fucking Malzeno can show up to throw hands

[brave hazel]

Does that... matter?

Never heard of anyone complaining about someone carving before them

[stuck needle]

velkhana kicked my ass not sure how I feel about some of the hitboxes on its normal attacks, much less the ones where it fills the entire arena with ice

(I think most of my problems were from bad dodges, tbf)

[rich valve]

well i just suspect that nergigante isnt going to leave much behind

[brave hazel]

Lmao true

[bleak halo]

I forgot how beautiful the hoarfrost reach is

I love this game 😌

[bleak halo]

😌

Love her

[brave hazel]

Best character

[bleak halo]

I forgot how much of a pain setting up with gunlance is, you gotta set up a WSB and tenderize a part twice

[outer heron]

clutch claw boost is your friend and hero

slam that shit asap

[weak gulch]

smacking (three times) before weapon attack also tenderizes with one claw (when using "light" weapons), though it may enrage faster along the way.

[desert light]

I mean, iceborne meta is to wallslam and always have things enranged anyway

Abuise that aigator.

agitator* even

[bleak halo]

I think it's three claw attacks

[outer heron]

it is yeah

[naive elk]

Meowscular Chef and Grammeoster Chef are both unmatched characters

[red gazelle]

I hope there’ll be a forest in monster hunter wilds

[halcyon fractal]

Isn't there already with the Rainforest area?
Or like, do you want a temperate forest?

[red gazelle]

Temperate

Or like more plains but not sandy type stuff

[halcyon fractal]

ohh right yeah

its weird that MH World doesn't have a temperate locale, now that I think about it 🤔

in terms of locales, we have

• Tropical
• Arid/Mire/Desert
• Highland/Landborne Coral
• Decay
• Volcanic
• Boreal/Arctic
• All of the Above
• Castle

[desert light]

I would argue we've had some temperate forests?

Misty in yukumo felt fairly temperate to me

[red gazelle]

What game was that one in

[halcyon fractal]

Monhun 3 I think

with Zinogre

no wait monhun 3 has lagiacrus

while Monhun Portable 3rd has Zinny

https://tenor.com/view/zinogre-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-portable3rd-hunter-palico-gif-21328369

goddddd he's so cool

[desert light]

P3rd, 3U, 4U & the starter map in Rise has similarities to it

[red gazelle]

I’ll get world just to be able to get Stygian zinogre

Pretty

[red gazelle]

Not a fan or rise tbh

But how are the others

The older ones I mean?

[desert light]

They're good, but it'd be a real shock to the system of you've only played world onwards

World removed a ton of cruft and cleaned up a bunch of stuff

[red gazelle]

I really liked world

Rise felt like it was missing a soul kinda imo at least

Monsters just kinda were

They didn’t behave like animals

[desert light]

Different teams

Rises team focuses more on the boss fights and mechanics, it's much more arcadey got both good and ill

[red gazelle]

Ah

[winged crest]

something something monster fighter

[desert light]

I hope Agnakantor makes a come back in wilds

[vocal haven]

Chuck someone who started with worlds into gen ultimate

I hope we get proper new deviants and no apexes

[candid perch]

I'm still thinking about how I haven't seen a single returning monster for wilds

[frank epoch]

There are a couple for sure

[vocal haven]

Rathalos do be a surefire and was soft trailer confirmed

The Lagi hope is big

And we seen kongalala so we already got a return

[mystic cape]

https://youtu.be/GCVThKH4Xkk?si=JbsXZ9PF6rBjgS4Q&t=75

Seriously, did everyone forget Rathalos flying across the sky at the time stamp?

[candid perch]

Actually yeah, I did forget

[rich valve]

they're just not leading with returning monsters because the new ones are better for marketing

but its very unlikely that you won't eventually find Diablos in the dusty starting area

[candid perch]

I have to wonder if they're gonna pull movesets from rise or world
Or maybe both

Well, anything returning is getting some changes to account for focus mode, that's for sure

[stuck needle]

I fully don't remember their movesets in Rise. how different were they from World?

[candid perch]

Depends on the monster
Most were pretty similar, Rathalos did get a couple changes though (using a lot more moves in the air, and having a couple extra moves to use while in flight)

[hearty kayak]

i think some of the rise moveset changes were bad

mainly monsters that deicded that using one attack over and over was fun

like barroth and raithan

[candid perch]

Yeaaahh..

Tetranadon...

[hearty kayak]

i have 600 hours in world

[rich valve]

trying to think if there

[hearty kayak]

i think raithan in a single hunt used the tailwhip more in 1 hunt then all of world

[rich valve]

's any Rise monster I would like to see return more than the ice bear

[hearty kayak]

malzenzo

i hated how malzenzo i really like but its also the final monster

[final hedge]

goss harag

[rich valve]

Malzeno is good but there's going to be plenty of Elder Dragons so thats not a big priority for me

[final hedge]

he's funny

[candid perch]

Swords bear

Me like

[rich valve]

that's the one yeah

[candid perch]

Goss was definitely a highlight for Rise

Probably my favourite of the new monsters?

Well
No
Definite favourite

[final hedge]

smashing his sword hands was fun

they'd have to adapt his moveset to put him in wilds because of the AoEs

[rich valve]

yeah its very satisfying

[bleak halo]

I'm beginning to remember why everyone brought 2 max potions and the materials to make 5 more with them in master rank

[naive elk]

I bring materials for all sorts of potions with me

[stuck needle]

I should really add ingredients to my loadouts.

[brave hazel]

Hate that there's so much shit for max potions in World

Need bitterbugs and blue shrooms for nutrients, which you need for mega nutrients that also need honey, which you need for max potions that also need mandragoras, and your inventory ends up being a good 1/4 materials just for healing items

[hearty kayak]

i rarely used max potions

[brave hazel]

They're the only thing I use lmao

[hearty kayak]

with recovery up mega potions are pretty cllose to max potions

[brave hazel]

I don't slot for speed eater and I don't want to sit around waiting for my character to finish sipping on his potion while a pissed-off apex predator megafauna barrels towards me with intent to punt my skull through my asshole

[bleak halo]

Unrelated, I am either doing something very wrong or early master rank quests take a lot longer than high rank quests did

[naive elk]

tbh i don't bring materials for max potions

[brave hazel]

Early MR quests are rough

[naive elk]

i don't really use them

[hearty kayak]

i bring them for the big fights

not normal hunts

[naive elk]

i simply use mega potions

[hearty kayak]

i still use potions even late if i just need a little bit of healing

or if im out of combat

[balmy swan]

I keep two max potions on hand as an emergency button

But mostly I lean on mega potions

[stuck needle]

I try to rely on mega potions, but master rank monsters are fast and aggressive enough (and I'm not good enough :P) that it's hard to make openings for them

[naive elk]

i'm too rise-pilled to go back to hunting in World

i'd need to work my skills back up

[brave hazel]

I miss Rise's weapons tbh

Not even silkbinds, just

The variety of movesets

Like the alternative draw attack for longsword

Or the INFINITELY more fun greatsword moveset

I miss that moveset so fucking hard

[hearty kayak]

wilds keeps the first set of draw attacks

[brave hazel]

The double-slash?

That's good at least, it's significantly more interesting than an overhead

[hearty kayak]

the double and the counter

[brave hazel]

Ooooooooooooo that's good

The counter's fun as shit

I just wish we could keep Surge Slash

[outer heron]

early MR quests are very much like early HR quests

in that they're supposed to be a lot longer than LR, and a pop quiz of "so you're good at the game now, right?"

except unlike early HR, early MR knows that you can have a real build

(and is supposed to be the hard mode DLC)

so it juices things right the fuck up and expects you to struggle

[weak gulch]

Also expects you to swap to MR gear/armor ASAP, I took a detour from the main quest to get basic MR gear because it's a big jump in stats

[brave hazel]

Aye

Not like Rise where you can coast on in HR gear for a bit

[balmy swan]

I suspect that's why I was struggling the last time I tried Iceborne

[brave hazel]

You NEED Beotodus shit the pictosecond you enter the Hoarfrost Reach

[stuck needle]

The polar mobility skill alone is an amazing QOL increase, defense aside

[desert light]

Early MR is basically a test, yeah.

and then you hit Barioth, and the game goes TEST OVER WE F IGHT FOR REAL NOW

[desert light]

Ku-kat is back too,m and we know Congala is back as well

[final hedge]

I love banbaro because they can get SO big

[candid perch]

I even acknowledged Congalala
How could I forget

[final hedge]

I had one in the guiding lands that was full on like kulve taroth sized

[hearty kayak]

one thing i liked about rise is how you saw diffrent sizes more often than in world

world you barely saw diffrences that were noticeable

[desert light]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2033270541 The king watches the battle.

[final hedge]

lol

[balmy swan]

and unsurprisingly, Barioth is exactly where I got walled 😅

I am looking forward to having another crack at Iceborne

[desert light]

Barioth, big tip

Trap hjim ealry

THEN BREAK HIS WINGS.

If his wigns are broken he looses a ton of mobility

and will Slide/fumble a lot when trying to do his pounces

[final hedge]

I see your monster hunter screenshot and I raise you my monster hunter screenshot

also this picture I took of a banbaro just chillin

[desert light]

Like seriously, you're haivng trouble with Barioth? Shock trap, use some bombs or whatever to break his wings as early as posisble

and he becomes immensly more managable.

[hearty kayak]

we got walled by nargacuca high rank in rise and i swaped to lance and stayed lance

[final hedge]

penguin is right about this priority number one with barioth is to break his arms

[balmy swan]

Honestly I should play around more with using traps to immobilize monsters rather than just capture. It's not something I've done much at all

[desert light]

It's a very good trick.

[balmy swan]

But yeah

[desert light]

In general the best item in World is in fact the Far Caster

because you can restock everyting

[final hedge]

he's absolutely cracked out so you have to shatter his kneecaps to make him calm down

[desert light]

so having a "Fuck it, i'm out!" button on hand is amazing

[final hedge]

I respect this penguin but you're wrong

[balmy swan]

Tbh the main problem i had with Barioth was that I timed out the hunt

[final hedge]

real gamers take one point of fortify so when they cart it's retroactively on purpose for the buffs

[desert light]

Bahaha.

(actually a good tactic tho')

[balmy swan]

I was so close! Had it back in its nest and everything!

[final hedge]

nah, it decreases rewards

[desert light]

The other thing you'rep robably doing wrong wrt Barioth then\

[balmy swan]

...so yeah, damage output problem

[desert light]

is you're chasing him when he jumps away in an arena

He looooves to bounce away and then he comes right back

[final hedge]

oh yeah in general monsters that hop or run away always come back

[desert light]

so it's much better to be ready to counter attack

if you chase after him you just get owned

[final hedge]

you don't need to chase anything like 90% of the time

[desert light]

Eh, Zenny is free* (*It is NOT FREE)

[desert light]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1989855699

I like this one i got. Eat shit, Rajang.

[bleak halo]

Shocked kulu watching the aftermath of a turf war

[final hedge]

hehehe

man I love wildspire

favourite map

[desert light]

What, Ancient Forest andi t's TREE: THE TREEING isnt your favourite? XD

I still love the Coral/Rot pairing

[hearty kayak]

i like ancient forrest

just not the tree part

[balmy swan]

The rotten vale has excellent vibes, however... the fucking effluvia

[desert light]

IT's cuddly.

[final hedge]

I love ancient forest it's #2

[desert light]

Cuddle the rot.

[balmy swan]

Ok Romina xP

[desert light]

Look man, i'm an undead aquatic avian, i ahve a reputation to protect.

[candid perch]

Coral Highlands is probably my favourite conceptually, but I just didn't like navigating it sometimes (see: monsters going up and down through coral over and over)

[lost niche]

I love the Rot zone so much. I have a weird soft spot for 'poison swamp' zones

[candid perch]

Rotten vale I enjoyed a fair bit though, get flame pods and start blasting away the stink

[balmy swan]

Ye, it's fun

Or pull on a mantle

[lost niche]

Also Odogaron is my favorite fight ever. Feels like dancing fighting O-doggo

[desert light]

I enjoy Odo's psycopathic I CAN FIGHT IT ALL I WILL FIGHT IT ALL

wioth ocasioanl bouts of OH NO I HAVE MADE A MISTAKE... WIAT I CAN SOLVE THIS WITH MORE FIGHTING

Odo, it's fucking Val Hazaak. Just... just stop.

[bleak halo]

The only thing I dislike about the rotten vale is that after a certain point you just never go to the top half of it

[balmy swan]

Yeah I can't remember the last time I went up there honestly

[lost niche]

Mm, yeah. Not often that I'm fighting tar-tire boi

[balmy swan]

Spent a lot of time in the depths trying to get an Odo gem for my master's charm

[desert light]

That's kidna na issue with a lot of the maps, the mosnters have surpsignly c urtailed routes through em

[real zodiac]

Honestly love Rado and Ura

[bleak halo]

Rado is just great, I love fighting it

[brave hazel]

My punk sure has been cyber'd

Gonna pretend they're some ancient-ass augments from the precursor civilization

What do they do? Iunno.

[stuck needle]

they're why you have a HUD, clearly

[brave hazel]

LMFAO

I FUCKING

I JOINED A BEHEMOTH FIGHT

AND WE ALL CLUSTERED UP BEHIND A METEOR

AND THE FUCKING THING KNOCKED US OUT HAHAHAHAHAHA

Holy SHIT that was fucking hilarious

I'm not even mad

That was so fucking funny

[bleak halo]

...Handler I'm in master rank

She isn't even here, it's the part of iceborne where you get the serious handler

[halcyon fractal]

The Handler's voice echoes...
"Partner! There's a time and place for everything!"

[brave hazel]

Y'all think this looks decently like a Raiden-style cyberjaw, or does it just look stupid

[wicked citrus]

Steam has blessed me this day.

Rise + Sunbreak plus Deluxe bundles are on sale and it will last long enough for my salary. Huzzaaaaahhhh

[candid perch]

Gonna be real, it's uhh
It's just okay

[brave hazel]

Yeah :/

It's very much

Not Great

Was only 80 cents so I can't really say I regret it

I'm just kinda disappointed

[brave hazel]

Wish it had this paint, this is fucking EXCELLENT facepaint

[snow helm]

Watch them being back Monoblos instead

[brave hazel]

I fucking wish

That would be hype as shit

They're already bringing back Congalala and Yian Kut Ku, may as well toss in Monoblos and REALLY get people hyped

[snow helm]

I do realize they might bring back neither on launch though, given we know the apex of the desert zone is Rey Dau

Unless they plan on having two top monsters, effectively, or bumping the Blos down a tier

I could see them bringing back Monoblos as an early update/FLC monster like Rajang or Deviljho for the nostalgia hype

[desert light]

The catch with Mono is he's always been Offline only.

Like it has been a Thing.

So i dunno if they break that given this game is back to the no-hard-split between Online and offline

[stuck needle]

If they really want to chase hype, they'll introduce triablos

[mystic cape]

That sounds like what happens when you commit crimes against nature and god by stitching a Monoblos and a Diablos together

[stuck needle]

Diablos with a monoblos for a tail

[vocal haven]

we already got a triablos :^).... or is it quadrolos

(just in case gen ultimate spoiler)

[mystic cape]

CatDog style?

[stuck needle]

catdog style

[winged crest]

tails fused or upper bodies fused

[stuck needle]

wouldn't upper bodies fused just be two butts that kick your ass?

[mystic cape]

I assume they mean the upper bodies are fused together at about the waist

So that the heads are sticking out of either end

[bleak halo]

Hmm... do I do a bunch of optional quests that I should probably get around to finishing or do I do main quest stuff so I can finally get back the normal Handler 🤔

[stuck needle]

Iirc you have exactly one (?) assigned quest before you get her back

Or is that acidic glav + odo? Still, fast

[bleak halo]

Okay apparently it is barioth time

[winged crest]

yeah like catdog

like so

[mystic cape]

Yeah like that

But only slightly less horifying

[mystic cape]

Somehow that's even worse

[winged crest]

tough crowd

[mystic cape]

Every time I look at any iteration it's somehow more horrifying in new and terrible ways

The joke is it's always scary

[balmy swan]

should i bother with Beyond the Blasting Scales or should i just go into Iceborne

[stuck needle]

Try it, if it sucks hit da bricks

[bleak halo]

You do need to do a few high leveled tempered quests to get the rocksteady mantle if you want that

[mystic cape]

Do all the quests

Be a completionist

Just like me!

[bleak halo]

I forgot how much barioth countered slow weapons

Which is coincidentally all I've been using so far

(I should start using switch axe again)

[halcyon fractal]

hmm... Monster hunter monsters as Pokemon

Diablos is a ground/flying type with Sand Rush as an ability, with a focus on health and attack, low speed thats too high to benefit from Trick Room, and a bunch of horn related attacks. Its shiny is Black Diablos and it has a paradox or mega ||That's basically Bloodbath, changing it to Ground/Dark in the Paradox and being called Immense Anger.||

Rathian/Rathalos is like a Wurmple type thing, where its 2nd and 3rd evos determine its form from a Rath chick. Rathian is a Ground/Poison type while Rathalos is a Flying/Fire type. Dunno what abilities or stats they have, but their shinies are the Pink and Azure respectively, their Megas are the metallics, and their paradoxes are the Deviants

And uhhhh fuck it. Yian Garuga is a Dark/Flying type with Guts.

Alatreon, meanwhile, would be ???/Dragon, and would change his ??? type to be whatever the weather/terrain is

so it gets STAB on overheat in the Sun and STAB on Hydro Pump in the rain

[stuck needle]

Kulu Yaku is a normal/rock type with some kind of item gimmick

[void narwhal]

Gore Magala is Poison/Dragon with an exceptionally complicated evolution mechanic

[halcyon fractal]

I was thinking Gore would be Poison/Dark, but Shagaru would be Poison/Dragon

[void narwhal]

Ohh, that's good

[real zodiac]

Uragaan is pure steel

Radobaan is poison/dark

Nergi is Dark/Dragon

[halcyon fractal]

I was thinking Nergi would be Fighting/Dragon
Speaking of which, the other "elemental" dragons could be fun if they weren't Element/Dragon

like

Teostra would be Fire/Dark, Kushala would be Steel/Flying, and Vaal Hazak could be Poison/Ghost

[bleak halo]

I forgot that velkhana can sometimes just show up before you're supposed to fight her

[mystic cape]

Nay, Alatreon changes type by using moves of certain types. Ice into Ice, Fire into Fire.

[frank epoch]

That's just the Protean ability

[halcyon fractal]

🤔 maybe, and it would fit its lore better to be a loner who does better in singles...

[mystic cape]

Fatalis is a Fire/Dragon with ludicrous stats and a die hard ability

[real zodiac]

Legiana is classic flying/ice

[mystic cape]

Tigrex is a normal type

But ya know, one of those Normal types

[halcyon fractal]

Ursaluna moment

[mystic cape]

Slacking after using Skill Swap in a double battle style

[bleak halo]

Maybe give it defeatist to represent how quickly it gets exhausted

[graceful snow]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-sunbreak-espinas-flaming-espinas-capcom-gif-5511476735783615060

[real zodiac]

I think tigress is either fighting ornfighting/dark

[mystic cape]

Nergigante is Dragon/Fighting and has one of those abilities that cancels other abilities like Mold Breaker

[desert light]

Do Not Chase Him

[bleak halo]

Oh?

[desert light]

So Bairoth's whole deal is he likes to bounce off

but he'll come right back to you

so if he bounces away and you run after him

then you're out of postion for his counter attack

and the cycle contoiuiuunes

better way to thump barioth is a: early in the fight, use a pitfall or a shocktrap (I think he's extra fvuln to pits, maybe?>) and break his wings

then just let him pounce at you, he'll stumble because you broke his wings

and you punch his face in

I did all of Iceborne as a Greatsword main,m so ya know

[bleak halo]

📝 👀

Got it

[frank epoch]

yeah, let barioth come to you

he will

[hearty kayak]

i know breaking his arms makes him slower and trip

does anyone know if there is some sort of monster master list for what breaking parts does

[mystic cape]

I doubt there a big compiled one since some of them can vary between games

Or at least one does

Rathian tail cut in World/Iceborne stops her poisoning you, but that was a new change at the time

[desert light]

Also, like... ya know. Ask us to come hunt with you?

i can probably be convinced to boot up world

and then like, die embarsisngly

I never did beat Altaeron or Fatalis...

[stuck needle]

Actually, yeah. I'm a couple ranks ahead of you, but I'm still making my way through Iceborne for the first time. Shout out if you want someone to doot encouragingly at you

[bleak halo]

Eh, I prefer playing the game solo when I can

Thanks for the offers though!

(I also only carted to barioth like once so 🤷‍♀️)

[real zodiac]

I think tsilcutd alsonscrew with barioths schmoovement

[desert light]

Tail cuts also screw with movmeent, is what you're saying... i think???

[teal halo]

no

[real zodiac]

Whoops, yeah, tailcuts also scew

schmoovement was intentional

[brave hazel]

Got me preorder for Wilds in

Ended up just going for the regular edition, I'll get whatever cosmetic pack has the eyepatch later

Since realistically that's all I'd really use from it

[wicked citrus]

I have managed to get myself a new controller for Monster Hunting.

[desert light]

What'd you get?

[wicked citrus]

xbox usb wired, the playstation ones are too expensive for some fucking reason and not one of them comes in black or purple damn it.

[desert light]

I've got one of the fancy xbox ones. thje elite series? tehy're very nice

[wicked citrus]

I just got a regular black one, I don't really like getting the "Ultra uber colorful leet design" for a controller. That makes me not want to use it and just preserve it. XD

[desert light]

I'm poking around in World again, and oh booooy

i'm rusty

[wicked citrus]

Oh yeah definitely same. Also added some QoL mods to my MHW.

Also added a teeeeny tiny bit of a rework for gunlance. (Ahem, gunlance main.)

Plus I already beat the game vanilla as hell

I got a new save while I wait for my salary so I can grab the Rise + Sunbreak Deluxe combo that just got on sale

[candid perch]

MH world Jho got polygoned

His face

So flat

[brave hazel]

He looks like a PS1 crocodile 😭

[candid perch]

Polyji'va

Anyways, someone modded MH world to be all angular
https://youtu.be/qIiHpX2x8wc?si=l1os4fXNjiFHepe0

[brave hazel]

LMAO

[bleak halo]

Handler, this is my second attempt of this quest and I still carted twice

Also god greatsword is fun even if I suck with it

[candid perch]

Many such cases!

[bleak halo]

I hate barioth so fucking much

[frank epoch]

You need any help?

I'm on PC

[bleak halo]

Again, I prefer playing solo

[frank epoch]

Sorry, I hadn't seen your preference

[bleak halo]

Sorry, I've just been asked that in this thread a lot

[frank epoch]

No worries

[bleak halo]

It's just a very frustrating fight for me, it's too aggressive for me to do consistent damage with basically every weapon I have other than lance

Like, I can barely use greatsword or switchaxe against it without getting hit and you basically can't use the clutch claw at all unless it's in a clagger

(Which is a big issue with switch axe especially)

[brave hazel]

Mmhmm

It's a horrible shitbeast and I advocate for using a shield HBG against it

Try to do anything and it immediately just goes like

https://tenor.com/view/bouncing-walls-gif-10159740

[bleak halo]

It gets a lot more managable when it's arms are broken (which admittedly isn't saying much), but actually breaking them is an ordeal

[brave hazel]

Why I always bring my spread 3 shield 3 HBG to fight em

Fuck you, I'm breaking your shins whether you like it or not

I find it easiest to clutch claw on with rocksteady and tenderize them, THEN beat the fuck out of the wings until they break

[brave hazel]

...is it just me, or is Rise's Velkhana just, like

Significantly less fun than World's

[wicked citrus]

I was able to dance with my lady Velkhana every time in Iceborne. How bad could she be in Rise?

Famous Last Words.

[halcyon fractal]

https://stupidpenisx.com/ILagiacrus/status/1855276289575256433

[brave hazel]

I hope we get some slice of life stuff like this in-game

...god

Y'know what I absolutely yearn for

The fucking "setting up camp" scene from the MonHun 4 Ultimate trailer

This shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS1gFCppUyQ

Just that down-to-earth, quiet, cheerful atmosphere

Where everyone has that "Big day tomorrow!" energy

[desert light]

Would it be helpful to see me stream a fight against Barioth to show off some of what you can do with Greatsword vs a jerk like that?

[wicked citrus]

Ah. The ice cat.

[vocal haven]

I do vastly prefer fighting frostfang barioth over normal barioth

[red gazelle]

so I tried swaxe in mhw

I love zero sum discharge

[vocal haven]

Man being in full safi armor just gives the rush

[stuck needle]

Barioth is definitely where I started getting really frustrated with the claw. When every monster is constantly attacking, and mostly using attacks that turn their whole body into a hitbox, it just feels like I'm getting punished constantly for trying to engage with the mechanic

And spending time during a down to apply a wound feels bad when I could be, y'know, attacking

[desert light]

Mantles are a big part of the stratergy

i, perosnally, dont really like this, butr you really should have rocksteady and temporal for master rank

and they do a LOT to help sort out the diff with cltuich claw

(Fwiw, i think Clutch Claw 's wounds/wallbangs were a bad mechanic overall, becuase they over focused things)

crushed the avalibel play space in bad ways

[stuck needle]

Yeah...I keep thinking I should go back and clean up those HR quests, it's just less fun than actual progress

[desert light]

Mm, if yo uahve master rank gear they should be pretty simple

and i can come help if you want, i';m in safi/dios era master rank gear

[stuck needle]

(I'm starting to run up against a wall, so I think I might have to. Velkhana and Seething Bazelgeuse almost went to time, so I know I'm just not hitting them often enough...)

[stuck needle]

I appreciate that! I'll shout out if I'm getting too frustrated
(There's kind of a paradox here where I'm not playing well, but I feel like I won't learn if someone who knows what they're doing just staggers them to death)

[desert light]

Hey

fwiw

I am SUPER RUSTY

so it'll be a 50/50 of i do an amazing badass feat

and totally eat shit

[vocal haven]

What weapon you gaming with?

[desert light]

Oh, shit, that actually reminds me since ya'll probably dont know this

but @bleak halo and @stuck needle - Powertalon and Powercharm stack, same with Armortalon and Armorcharm

you should be giving up 4 inventory slos to have those, because they're raw boosts andthey're a relaly, really big deal

[stuck needle]

Yup yup, I've been playing with way too little inventory space since World first came out on PC. Good tip, though

I kept bracing for the game to throw a third power/armor item at me in master rank

[desert light]

...

I cant rember how to get to barioth's sleeping place in Hoarfrost reach

Oh right, that's how

annnd kileld barioth with a tackle

Hmm. My musckle memory is still pretty rusty

but i'm getting there

@bleak halo Re: greatsword, the way to solve it's mobiltiy isuses is to abuse slinger bursts.

You can go any charge attack -> Tackle -> Jumping Wide Slash -> SLinger Burst

this gives you a ton of mobility, it's surpsingly safe, it's a brutal coutner attack, and it lets you re-aim on the fly

and slinger burst ocmbos straight into TCS.

You can dumpster monsters shockingly fast using that combo to move around

[void narwhal]

I feel like I beat Iceborne without engaging with the claw mechanics all that much

[stuck needle]

I've been trying to, but they don't feel all that deep. It's really just can you feasibly wallbang? -> do that, otherwise wound your target when possible, otherwise eat shit because you misjudged an opening

[void narwhal]

They just never felt.. fun, the occasional wall when they're woozy but it felt like too much to try to add for a dlc, too centralizing.. i'unno. World is great! But got some oddness

Wirebug meshed with everything, Clutch Claw was sort of... "???"

Focus Mode feels more.. clean. Every weapon has a unique little option instead of Big Weird Hand.. though I'm a little foggier on the Wound system

[wicked citrus]

Yeah, they kinda shoved the Clutch Claw mechanic to the point it feels like you NEED to use it in order to do meaningful damage

[void narwhal]

And then any non-Iceborne beast absolutely melts under it

[wicked citrus]

It's why I'm patiently also waiting for the ICE Mod team to update their ICE so that I can get a nice balanced MHW experience.

[stuck needle]

I do really like the aesthetic of Big Weird Hand, but it'd be better if it was...I dunno, SnS's gimmick exclusively

[wicked citrus]

Clagger is such a big breaker of the hunt flow

[void narwhal]

Everyone knows volatile monsters love standing still and breathing real hard 2-4 times a fight

[weak gulch]

I think it's rougher for weapons that already have mechanics to manage on top of claw/tenderizing too.

[void narwhal]

And ranged weapons too

[wicked citrus]

I don't mind the Clutch Claw tenderize and the Iceborne Skills that come along with it. But what is a huge downside is the Clagger (Clutch Claw Stagger)

It just absolutely fucks with the flow of a fight

[void narwhal]

The constancy of it just has it become a chore instead of a reward

Very 'video game stagger state' instead of brutal monster battle

[wicked citrus]

Yeah. Again, which is why I am also patiently waiting for the ICE Mod to get patched for the current version. All the rebalancing they did was such a godsend.

[stuck needle]

God, yeah. Love to clagger a monster a quarter mile away from me while I'm running pierce hbg

[void narwhal]

"Lemme just sheathe my HBG and hustle up and oop- wasted"

Also Pierce felt much closer ranged in Wilds and idk about that

[wicked citrus]

Also I find it slightly weird seeing people like gunlance now when I am 85% sure they are the same people who dislike gunlance on principle.

[stuck needle]

That's interesting. I thought they were making HBG an even longer range weapon and LBG even shorter

[stuck needle]

They were always wrong. Gunlance is cool as hell

[wicked citrus]

Oh yeah that's weird. You would think LBG would be the short range but mobile version and the HBG as the long range hard hitter.

[wicked citrus]

They call it slow yeah. But like... have you seen Greatsword???

Oh oops sorry for ping.

[weak gulch]

Pierce being closer in Wilds I guess is to make it more risky, and can probably swap to melee with less problems

[wicked citrus]

Whenever I hear someone complain about how Gunlance is a slow and inefficient weapon. I just shake my head, it's obvious they tried it and got their shit rocked.

[stuck needle]

I can see it. I'm just confused because I could swear they said in an interview they were doing the opposite

[wicked citrus]

On a sidenote. Question from me, how did Wilds' Focus Mode feel to use? Was it invasive or a smooth use?

[stuck needle]

I kept forgetting about it, tbh, but I did 2/3 of the hunts with bow so it was just on all the time. I'm going to need to turn on the toggle option, I think, I just don't like holding down triggers

[wicked citrus]

I wish my setup was enough for the Open Beta. I tried to run it but I just kept getting a black screen when trying to make my damn character.

I will have to be satisfied for now by Rise + Sunbreak when I get my salary.

[stuck needle]

I could run it, but only on the lowest settings. I kept getting distracted by how my character looked like a chihuahua...

[stuck needle]

I can't speak to Sunbreak, but base Rise is a good time.

[wicked citrus]

Hol up. Steam just tried to pull a fast one on me.

And god damn it my wallet is crying for mercy.

Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen is on sale.

By god, I'm getting it.

The grittier monster hunter

[wicked citrus]

Sounds promising. I've seen videos on how gunlance be doing in Rise. First thing in my mind was. Blast Dash.

[weak gulch]

I've heard the moves added in rise helped Gunlance a lot

[wicked citrus]

Blast Dash and Air Shelling? Oof. Somebody stop me cause I'm about to knock flying monsters out of the sky like god smiting them.

[vocal haven]

see I think this only really came to be with Sunbreak

but I think that was kinda due to Rise being somewhat weirdly easy and didnt really need to actively use the wirebug which is a bit "huh" for the main mechanic

[bleak halo]

Ooh 👀

That would definitely be helpful yes!

[frank epoch]

i might also do something like that with hunting horn

[bleak halo]

Yeh, I’ve played world before I’ve just never used the greatsword

[bleak halo]

Maybe I should just stick to lance, that's the weapon I'm best at anyway

[desert light]

Greatsword is super fun!

I'm currently still dozzy and waking up, but I'll ping you again once I'm properly awake and online

[bleak halo]

[stuck needle]

🤔 I feel like I'm doing something wrong, or else the acidic glavenus horn is just too blunt to work without protective polish/master's touch. Echo notes just eat through too much sharpness and handicraft doesn't do enough to make up for the charm+armor slots it takes up.

(just the first horn for now because I don't like my odds against black veil right now 😅 )

[frank epoch]

i'd slot in some protective polish and maybe speed sharpening if you don't have access to MT

[stuck needle]

I could do speed sharpening, but this is the save that somehow lost almost all of my post-story progress. I have very few actual good decorations, despite occasionally zoning out with Flora Frostbite

[frank epoch]

damn that sucks

[stuck needle]

it was rough! I guess I could always cheat in some decorations, since the grind is stupid

[frank epoch]

speed sharpening isn't the biggest thing really, as long as you have PP that should be pretty good for you

[bleak halo]

Flora Frostbite?

[stuck needle]

It's a master rank event quest where you gather from frozen plants, it gives...3-4 decorations on average? If you equip botanist and geologist you can do it in like two minutes or less depending on which camps you have unlocked.

(mostly bad decorations, but it's still a quick way to get some level four decos or just fill out a limited bounty)

[hearty kayak]

is this world or rise

im guessing world

theres a lavistlosh mission that gives a lot i remember

and the jagaras

[outer heron]

greatest jagras is for low-end decos mostly

lavasioth one is good as a stopgap until you farm your way up to the zinogre one

[hearty kayak]

is there an event for rise for more jewls?

[stuck needle]

It'd be charms in Rise, right? Since decos were craftable and charms were random?

[hearty kayak]

im taking jewls where were used to make decorations

they are realllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy slow to get

its worse then random decorations

at least randoms you could chunk into a melding po to get something you want

[brave hazel]

...World's Kushala actively makes me regret playing the game

Christ in heaven

[hearty kayak]

i honestly just swap to something with lots of armor ignore

[brave hazel]

...god the Fatalis quest is stupid

"Here's 30 minutes and a single helper to beat God, good luck"

[mystic cape]

Bring Plunderrang, you can use it to slowly get gear pieces over time

[vocal haven]

Big warning

Apparently wilds story and roster got leaked

So care browsing the Internet

[mystic cape]

Betcha 10 bucks Youtube thumbnails and titles are about to be chock full of spoilers

Like that one asshole that spoiled a massive Kaiju Number 8 twist for me

[desert light]

@bleak halo I'm setting up currently, will ping you again with a link when i'm live

[stuck needle]

Is this on top of what got datamined out of the demo?

[desert light]

Checking around, it appears to be actual genuine links thanks to dataming the voice files form the demo

[bleak halo]

[hearty kayak]

i can't belive rathlos is in the game

[brave hazel]

Does fire resist help with Fatalis

Fucking tired of getting hit once and half my fucking health bar immediately vanishing

[frank epoch]

it does

[brave hazel]

Excellent

[desert light]

Any reason you're trying ot solo?

[brave hazel]

Mandatory solo phase

...god this feels so poorly balanced

Just in the fucking "teehee half your HP bar in one hit" department, everything else would be fine if ONE hit didn't immediately delete half my fucking health

Sure doesn't help that the base dodge i-frame is Fuck and All and is barely better with Evade Up

9 frames is just

Who fucking thought that was a good idea

[desert light]

Sounds like you're getting tilted and should take a break.

[brave hazel]

Yeah, I should

Sorry for taking it out on y'all

I still don't like this fight but I shouldn't be getting pissy at y'all

[desert light]

Also, Evade is about 15 frames at 0 Evade up

and 25 at Evade up 5.

correction, 27*

and evasion mantle is something like 33 frames

Edit: From the helpful comments of u/Helel89 (referencing GaijinHunter) and u/leon004567 (referencing a Japanese player who did a test at 30fps), it seems the frames are:

Evade Window +0: .23 seconds

Evade Window +1: .26 seconds

Evade Window +2: .30 seconds

Evade Window +3: .33 seconds == Evasion +1 from older games

Evade Window +4: .36 seconds

Evade Window +5: .40 seconds == Evasion +2 from older games

[desert light]

And. Ere. We. GO

Twitch.tv/thezombiepenguin

[brave hazel]

...that's significantly more than a DS3 light roll, how does it still feel like it isn't enough...?

[desert light]

https://www.twitch.tv/thezombiepenguin is the actual link

[bleak halo]

Hitboxes last longer in monster hunter compared to souls games

[desert light]

Mosnter hutner is very much about the roll through attacks

[bleak halo]

👀

I may or may not talk much tbh

[brave hazel]

On another note. Does Evade Distance Up affect insect mid-air dodge in World?

I know it made a significant difference in Rise

[bleak halo]

(Also it's 27 at 60 fps while dark souls dodge frames are usually measured at 30 fps)

[desert light]

That's cool @bleak halo

[brave hazel]

Is Agitator worth running against Fatalis?

[bleak halo]

...oh right, greatsword moves other than tackle, charge, side slap, and jumping wide slash exist

[brave hazel]

They do?

Good gosh

[mystic cape]

In MR Agitator is usually a solid pick, especially if you use Clutch Claw to force a wound

Also do you have Health Boost?

[brave hazel]

Aye, aye, I'm using the meta agitator secret build

Also aye

[mystic cape]

Okay just checking

[brave hazel]

Never leave home without it

[mystic cape]

Also good news, once you beat the mandatory solo with the Ace one time you can SOS Flare from the get go.

[brave hazel]

Aye

Which is what I'm having trouble with

I can't even articulate what the problem IS, beyond "his hitboxes are Fucking Weird and he deals bullshit amounts of damage"

Just something about his moveset is incredibly fucking difficult for me

[mystic cape]

BTW what weapon are you using?

[brave hazel]

Whatever I think can help

I tried longsword, I tried HBG, I tried gunlance, I tried greatsword

Every time it ends up being "teehee half your health is instantly gone" and it just snowballs

[mystic cape]

You'll probably have better luck over time focusing on one weapon since changing them up often means you're both learning Fatty's moves and learning how to counter them with that particular weapon's toolkit

[brave hazel]

Yeah, I'm just trying to find something that actually feels comfortable

[mystic cape]

What do you normally use?

[brave hazel]

A few things, but mostly CB and LS

Already tried both and got my skull punched through my asshole though, though I mostly attribute that to a skill issue

[mystic cape]

I did beat Fatty with LS but I'm an LS main so I just kept at it (and got counter timing down)

CB does have the Guard Point to combo directly into (S)AED which is good damage

[desert light]

@bleak halo i hope that was atleast a little helpful

[mystic cape]

Oh are you able to enter the first arena fight while wearing a Gillie mantle if the Ace is helping you?

If so then there is a way to get some quick damage in

[bleak halo]

It was! Thank you!

[desert light]

No worries. Will happily do more when i'm not very tired

but hopefully you can see the majority of my playstyle is going for TCS as much as possible, and using tackle/slinger burst/wide slash/jumping wide slash to repostion

or let me bull through attacks and counter

Also forgive the odd random noises when Otto decided to headbuttteh microphone

because he needed to rub his cheeks on it

I will note my armor has both safi's bonus and i have health augmetn on my weapon

so iget away with a lot of bullshit

Becausae i can literally land TCS and heal my entire bar

but hey

[brave hazel]

Got 15 cortexes

I'm gonna make the layered Fatalis armor and do something else a while

[brave hazel]

Layered Fatalis armor got

I feel fancy

[halcyon fractal]

yooooo

[brave hazel]

...agh, dammit, now I wanna go farm 15 more cortexes for the other chestpiece

This one's way cooler, it's got cool wings and a cool eye

...it's funny that I got the layered armor before the real deal lmao

[mystic cape]

The real deal is the best set in the game too

[desert light]

Well, i might understnad the mechanics of escaton judgemnt etc for Alt

but oof, i ma not yet any good vs the fight

i'll get htere tho

[mystic cape]

Yeah, Alatreon's a toughy even without the Escaton bullshit

[desert light]

I just dont know the timings and openings properly yet

so ate shit a lot

I dont have health augment on my weapon foir him either, which hurts a lot too

[stray oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294108274198712341/1305428418640351242/20241110220725_1.jpg?ex=6732fe74&is=6731acf4&hm=79d14f5b8d55ff9ec142b6e8cc6c914672e1f77defb638d5dee5c6240cda4dc0&

POV you're getting bullied by a chicken

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294108274198712341/1305065061567430676/image.png?ex=6732fd8d&is=6731ac0d&hm=65df91f9f72355cc2f50ee09e41d564612a3ee164b0ea42d6e75679f8c7167e4&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294108274198712341/1305016118901215272/image.png?ex=6732cff8&is=67317e78&hm=a7559f5555976a4ba607d2b0d48042b3dbca7958abfa456d1515d18b58447f91&

Collection of cool shots from starting fresh saves with a gang of new hunters

Gunlance is hella fun, I wish I'd known sooner

[stuck needle]

and getting better in Wilds!

[stuck needle]

somehow even more true after the story

[red gazelle]

You guys think Stygian zinogre will be back?

[stray oriole]

We can only hope

[red gazelle]

I love its colour scheme

And dragon element is my favourite element

[stray oriole]

Looks really cool too

[red gazelle]

I like that I can have two different weapons in wild

So I can take my two favourites with me

Those being cb and swaxe

[stray oriole]

I think I'll run sword and shield and lbg

I've got a hundred or so hours as a kinsect main but once I finished the main story I branched out to lbg then sword and shield and they feel so fun and unique

Which I know is an insane thing to say about the most vanilla weapon in the game sword and shield

But it's so fun to being such a flexible class, that wide range+mushroom mancer build felt so fun and good

[desert light]

Ugh, i'm just getting rolled by Alateron. this sucks.

Will have to ocme back when i've had more sleep, i just keep fucking up my timing and eating hit after hit

which isnt good when he can two-three shot you even in near end game levle gear

(i'm in Safi/Raging gear, so very end game stuff, but not like, fatalis end game)

[stray oriole]

I don't think I made it that far, I burnt out in iceborne

This time for sure tho

Especially with how much my clique has just been rolling these early game fellas

[stuck needle]

I really need to figure out how I'm upgrading my PC for Wilds. I'd love to actually play through the story in co-op, and I figure my odds are better if I can get in at launch

[stray oriole]

That reminds me!

Am I missing something with coop in world? The hitting a cutscene every time they want to introduce a new monster keeping me and my party from just starting new story mission together is very annoying

[candid perch]

I do hope Wilds runs better when it comes out

Though it did run great on my laptop (which has a great CPU but middling GPU)
I'd have to guess if you're gonna upgrade anything, it might just need to be the CPU

[stray oriole]

I'm just gonna hope and pray that I can run it

Is it RE engine?

It is, RE engine plays nice with my computer. I think I can make it happen

[stuck needle]

you're not missing something, it's a huge drag.

[stray oriole]

Bruutal

[stuck needle]

near as I can tell, they assumed everyone would want to do every question solo the first time

(they've implied multiplayer will be a smoother experience in Wilds, but I don't think we know any specifics as to how)

[stray oriole]

I believe them

I have faith

What a great time of year to have all of my free time consumed by elden ring seamless co-op and soon Wilds

[brave hazel]

God I hate how you HAVE to fight a lured monster in the area you lured it in in the Guiding Lands

Otherwise you get like

A PIXEL of progress for that area

Fucking rajang

[red gazelle]

are the guiding lands fun_

_

?

[frank epoch]

I think they're pretty fun yeah

[vocal haven]

not the biggest fan of the zone managment to get certain materials but its fun

[balmy swan]

you know what, i think i might be okay at this game

[mystic cape]

Good, good

Now kill the Tempered Kirin

[balmy swan]

also was lucky that there was a bounty out for a tempered monster hunt, so i got a gold print and swapped it for a Nerg gem that i used to make the max level (for HR) Nerg hammer

i like that hammer

[mystic cape]

Spiky hammer?

[balmy swan]

yeah, big face full of Nergigante spikes

[desert light]

Negi greatsword is my favourite to use for layeerd stuff becaue a: Giant axe, but b: When you charge, it deploys the spikes at level 3 charge, which gives you a handy visual tell on exaclty when to release the charge

[brave hazel]

They are, they're just vaguely frustrating at times

[stuck needle]

that's a significant part of why I wish I could run Wyvern Ignition 😅

[brave hazel]

Y'know what I mildly wish for

Silver rathalos was platinum rathalos instead

Seems more fitting somehow

It's like

The world's tiniest gripe

[red gazelle]

Can’t wait to get there

Also what’s y’all’s favourite elder?

[brave hazel]

In general?

Ahtal-Ka

[red gazelle]

Big snake

[brave hazel]

Big snake is good, yes

[red gazelle]

I really like

The giant tar shark dragon thing

[lost niche]

Namielle. The sound, the colors, the music. So cool

[bleak halo]

~~Technically a neopteron, not an elder dragon 🤓 ~~

[lost niche]

I haven't had the chance to fight it yet, but I get the feeling I would love Gogmazios. I love its design.

[naive elk]

Dalamadur peak

[desert light]

Gog

Dal;amandur was a pretty shit fight, honestly.

Like giant world serpent is cool asthetics, but the fight itself was very eh

[hollow comet]

does charging GS too long make it weaker

[stuck needle]

yeah. it goes charge level 0 -> 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 2

or, that's definitely true in world, not sure about the other games

[frank epoch]

Pretty sure it's true in the vast majority of other games also

[hollow comet]

oops!

tyty

[frank epoch]

You let go right after it flashes the third time

[brave hazel]

God

The Alatreon CB is so fucking cool

[mystic cape]

Accurate

[desert light]

I just cannto get anywhere iwht Altareon. I'm getting hit constnatly. It's not my build or anyhting i'm just not landing openings enough

ugh

😦

May have to swtich to a frostcraft build or something

[lost niche]

Alatreon is just that difficult. Tough fight

[mystic cape]

Could try using Safi gear since that has a heal factor and is one of the best for elemental boosting

Comboed with a Kjarr weapon of course

Which is what I did

[bleak halo]

They do use safi gear iirc

[mystic cape]

I'm out of the loop on that

[desert light]

Yeah, I'm in Safi/Brach with the frostfang GS, which is the recommended

It's mostly an issue of just getting whacked in the face too much

[balmy swan]

sounds like my entire MonHun career

[candid perch]

Hmm
This has me thinking
https://youtu.be/C3ZVp3wX3Cw?si=16bTCCiBR76h2saS

[void narwhal]

I did wonder about that. Hitting a wound with the SnS isn't quiiiite near the reward of others and I would have felt rude taking them from an IG or something

[gentle knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQK-QDxGUs

on one hand: more monhuns

on the other: timi is a tencent subsidiary and is EXPERIENCED at reaching for players' wallets

ok i guess it's more a case of tencent is experienced at reaching for players' wallets

[desert light]

Also open world survival, but mobile phone only.

Yawn

[wicked citrus]

Insert "Do you guys not have phones???" Meme here.

[hollow comet]

real..

[desert light]

For me it's more i think phones are a bad platform for whati 'd want out of monster huunter in the first place, and "Open world survival" + "Mobile phone game" migfht as well scream "This will attempt to eat your money, your heart, and your soul and never give anyhting back"

[hollow comet]

and your phone battery

[gentle knoll]

everyone leave home with a power bank tbf

or i guess everyone in their target demographic

[desert light]

Well, i had to summon people

but i got bloody alateron down so i cna actuall acess fatalis.

[mystic cape]

Good, but what about second Alatreon?

[desert light]

It was second altaeron, the weak one

i will come back and do real alateron once i've got actually good end game armor and things

[mystic cape]

I'd make a joke about that meaning the full Fatalis set, but really full Safi is best for Alatreon due to the elemental damage factor

[desert light]

It's the raw defence that matters as much as anything

and honestly i'm happy to like brute force things

a lot of my issues was just getitng smacked in the head a lot by things

but anyway

[brave hazel]

I need to go farm up the full Fatalis set

I know there's a way to get it before actually beating the scaly bastard

[brave hazel]

...be nice to fight something that doesn't chunk half my HP in a single fucking hit

[naive elk]

plunder time

[brave hazel]

Aye

And cannons

[bleak halo]

welp

[brave hazel]

Rocc

...man, Fatalis armor goes really well with Alatreon armor, this almost looks like it's just supposed to go together

[outer heron]

they're related black dragons

it makes sense

[teal halo]

that sounds wrong to me

i like to think all black dragons evolved wholly separately. it's funnier that way.