Monster Hunter

[desert light]

Where can I find them?

[halcyon fractal]

https://capcom.ws-l.ink/monsterhunter/en/

this link

[desert light]

Many thanks!

[halcyon fractal]

🫡

[desert light]

Do we have an explainer for what an "offset" is?

Also sick, Demon mode just gets perfect dodge mechanics now, that's great

[outer heron]

interrupt

attacks that counter monster attacks

[hollow comet]

i think I'm gonna give rise a shot

[desert light]

It's fun!

Gimme a yell if you need advice!

[hollow comet]

i did enjoy world when i played it, and intend to go back someday (after watching some weapon guides probably, because i felt very lost)

but I come from dmc, so maybe rise will be more my speed with the faster combat and hunts

[halcyon fractal]

https://vxtwitter.com/QuirklessStoner/status/1826272807640322506

FINALLY

MY MALE CHARACTER CAN SERVE MORE THAN HE EVER COULD

I hope to god the armors in this game are skimpy

[vernal root]

HYPE!

Finally, the fashion is ours

[crude kayak]

Did they mentioned that we can have any two weapons or specifically ranged and melee in loadout?

[real zodiac]

Any two

Or even the same weapon twice

[hollow comet]

bringing two copies of my weapon because I'm too lazy to sharpen

speaking of sharpening, each stroke now restores some sharpness which seems pretty nice!

[winged crest]

Age of DDB has come

[real zodiac]

You could also vary element or status versions of a weapon

Gey a few sleeps off, then switch to raw

I recall some speculation that some weapon trees within a class might have moveset variants

In lieu of switch skills

[halcyon fractal]

quadruple blades

[winged crest]

What if they brought back tri bowgun mix-and-match shenanigans but for as many things as possible

[desert light]

Ugh, please no

[vocal haven]

New info

Layered armor will unlock earlier and not be a endgame thing

[mystic cape]

Excellent

[halcyon fractal]

YAUY

[stuck needle]

Accessibility Option: Hold-Buttons can be switched to Toggle-Buttons
this is unironically huge. holding the aim buttons for ranged weapons sucks when my joints are bothering me, and the idea of holding focus mode constantly was making me nervous

Fulgurite (sand crystals) forms as an aftermath from Rey Daus attacks, has hitboxes and collision
aha! I was right that the "coral" structures in the dunes were actually fulgurite
(from https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1eyib8k/summary_of_todays_2nd_dev_livestream_with_game/)

[mystic cape]

Nice to get confirmation, though we did see some of that when the hunter in the lance demonstration climbed over it

[outer heron]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1826597338296844482

[vocal haven]

OK

COOKING

[desert light]

Oh, that's amazing

[hollow comet]

rise downloading..

[hollow comet]

downloaded! now to keep elden ringing for 45 mins or give it a spin 😩

[winged crest]

Babe wake up it's time to individually choose both blades and the base for your switchaxe

[desert light]

stab stab stab. Hmm. Contiounes stabbing

😛

[stuck needle]

"after Peter Molyneux's presentation at gamescomm, we felt it was critical to allow hunters to customize their weapons with different materials, including bread"

[desert light]

I mean, that's just cannon

I kinda hope the Wyvern's Perch comes backl

(It's a greatsword that's... just a big log. with some mushrooms growing on it)

[stuck needle]

I really hope they keep the silly weapons in general

[winged crest]

Sharq lance my beloved

[mystic cape]

Silly weapon skins

[desert light]

I mean, i think they'll cotniuine tom onteize with skins

and rise had some pretty great silly ones

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2133151/Monster_Hunter_Rise__Stuffed_Goss_Harag_Hunter_layered_weapon_Dual_Blades/

Steam

Monster Hunter Rise - "Stuffed Goss Harag" Hunter layered weapon (Dual Blades)

This additional content includes:

Price

$1.86

BEHOLD IT'S ANGRY FURY

Note it's blade even transforms when you go into demon mode

and it turns red

https://shared.akamai.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/2133151/ss_49037360a1fa30b84e9de4ec9d9ed53a842cf182.jpg?t=1696398120

https://shared.akamai.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/2133151/ss_653d61b321e464bc2175d25f7b3b63e723499912.jpg?t=1696398120

[hollow comet]

amazing

[halcyon fractal]

amazing indeed

[balmy swan]

fashion hunter here we come

[outer heron]

https://vxtwitter.com/MrMoosebones/status/1826411428992922042?t=a7uU1k_3beH5w0U2DU5M9Q&s=19

https://vxtwitter.com/realYowhza/status/1826608425134084605

https://vxtwitter.com/MiyanEatWorld/status/1826612792146997306

[brave hazel]

Recreated my World character in Rise

Headcanoning that he arranged something with the Guild to retire to a smaller village, try and live out his remaining days without dealing with the fame of being the guy that slew Fatalis, trying to stay as not-famous as he possibly can

Went Bomber for the palico, say that she picked up some tech from the gajalaka

[teal halo]

I’m gonna finish world before I start wilds (plenty of time) and recreate my hunter in wilds. Great job killing dragon satan, but we’ve got a new job for you.

[stuck needle]

"nice job saving the world, fight this toad"

[brave hazel]

I'll probably make a new character entirely for Wilds and say they're my World character's grandkid

[naive elk]

I did the same with my char Hemmia

Hemmia will be making a comeback in Wilds

[brave hazel]

Oh, wow, I just straight up get Guild Cross layered armor to start

I remember how much of a pain in the ass this was to get back in World

Nice to know I don't have to fight a fucking AT Kushala for it now

Nice that I also get a Velkhana costume for free, that's cool looking

[vocal haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIloYp9hSgA

[brave hazel]

Oh this kicks ass wtf
https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterrise/mods/1854

[frigid mango]

https://vxtwitter.com/Orokothe/status/1826380092337258779

[solemn jay]

Here’s a mh bow main who did a very thorough coverage of Wilds bow
https://youtu.be/wTheIf8XaCw?si=R7lgL49KMBmgAB0y

[solemn jay]

I can’t wait for the HH and GS mains counterparts

[naive elk]

Fr fr

[frank epoch]

i know that HH encore is looking much different than before but I do hope the complexity of them in world remains

IE 3 note vs 4 note recitals

[void narwhal]

Hearing perhaps troubling news about insect glaive multibounce

[stuck needle]

oh?

[void narwhal]

It might not send you back up anymore

But this is just from one tester video

[crude kayak]

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterrise/mods/1937

Something my friend commissioned back when we played

[desert light]

It seems to be insect glavie is more ofcused on it's ground gameplay, by previews, but it has ton of aerial mobiltiy and powerful aerial attacks still

including some pretty sick new ones

it's just not "i spend 80% of the fight airborne doing the same move over and over again"

[hollow comet]

played some rise, swaxe is pretty fun (though i have trouble spacing the wirebug art that does damage)

also i can't seem to charge my cb shield

[desert light]

I'm trying to rember how you do that

[crude kayak]

I mean you totally can it's just way less efficient.

Unless your entire goal is - I really want wings of this elder dragon broken

Generally most of the time you want to do a specific ground based combo that requires you to have red extract.

[hollow comet]

i think it's holding triangle/xbox Y while charging phials, I was holding circle/xbox B through the charge input

heavy bowgun is really funny

[real zodiac]

Cancel a saed by blocking

[hollow comet]

oh crap i meant sword 😭

[real zodiac]

Oh

Lmao yeah, triangle/Y while charging phials iirc

[hollow comet]

i completely forgor

i was just holding B like a goofball

if I'm playing through base game for the first time, I should skip defender weapons right? they don't seem as crazy as in world (i think they had like 300 attack off the bat) but are still noticeably higher damage and lower investment than weapons of similar tier

[crude kayak]

Unless you are in a hurry to get to expansion, ye

Those are catch up weapons for that basically, way cheaper to make, way stronger

[desert light]

Yeah, but reddit etc are bieng silly aobut it and it's frustrating

just arrrghl.

ANYWAY

everyhting i've seen out of gamescon is looking cool as hell

Focus attacks are looking great

Dual blades have some monster cool stuff

[crude kayak]

helicopter IG goes whosh whosh whosh

[desert light]

I really like this bit from one of the Q&A

"Q&A

How did Focus Mode come to be?

Focus Mode was made to put a bigger emphasis on positioning, while also aiding new players in getting used to the pace and feel of Monster Hunter. It was also created with Partbreaks for skilled players in mind

"

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1eyxfh1/new_insect_glaive_attack_rising_spiral_slash/

This is a bad demonstration of the attack because it's too small a monster

but this is one of IG's new moves- and apprently it can refill all it's exacts at the same time

(Also apperntly not a single person who has gotten footage of this has botehred to get footage of the follow ups >.>)

[crude kayak]

do you have this video is some other non reddit form?

[desert light]

I'm afraid not

How do i embed thereddit vid here?

vfx or something?

[crude kayak]

It's oke, I just can't use reddit atm

[desert light]

Gimme five seconds 🙂

www.rxddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1eyxfh1/new_insect_glaive_attack_rising_spiral_slash/?ref=share&ref_source=link

...

Why is that not working

https://www.rxddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1eyxfh1/new_insect_glaive_attack_rising_spiral_slash/

@crude kayak HEre you go, right above this, i got the embed to work 🙂

[hollow comet]

sounds good

i checked out the online courier catto

and now I have about 800k worth of eggs and all the hunting supplies to last me a while

😵‍💫

[crude kayak]

In the video it seems to consume them on attack?

[crude kayak]

danke

[desert light]

Yeah, it consumes all 3 for a big attack, but you can get all of them back by hitting a wound, apprently

[crude kayak]

huh

[desert light]

there's been other talk about it elsewhere

Notably, Focus Mode can be used in the Air for Insect Glaive

and Insect Glaive's focus mode attacks give all 3 extracts if they hit a wound.

So it looks like the intent is you do this attack to smash something big or flying

(or a tail)

then you go into focus mode, tackle the wound you just greated

and power thrust back out of the air

[halcyon fractal]

ow oof ouch ow ouchie

Alatreon HURTS

[mystic cape]

Oh yeah, and the scary thing? Alatreon isn't the hardest fight in the game.

[halcyon fractal]

hoo mama

I'm gonna get eviscerated by Mr Fatalis

[outer heron]

I think alatreon is harder, fatalis just uses more cheese

[brave hazel]

Fatalis isn't as bad yeah

...man this cloak is really nice, well worth the single dolar I spent on it

Wish it was longer though

[naive elk]

idk if anyone from #mmo-club jumped in here but anyone who says it's not possible for female characters to be armored simply isn't trying hard enough

i have several good sets of armor put together

[outer heron]

jyuratodus armor slaps

wish the fem jyura legs weren't missing their fucking backs though

[naive elk]

that's only the Jyura helm i am using, it fit well with my gladiator armor aesthetic i was going for

Jyuratodus Helm X, Ingot Mail, Hunters Vambraces, Ingot Coil and Hunters Greaves

[outer heron]

yeah i just love the masc jyura design

and the parts of the fem jyura that uh

exist

[stuck needle]

It's definitely possible to have a well-armored female character, but it's challenging. And until you unlock and craft layered armor, you're usually rocking whatever gives you the skills you need

Then there's the "I love this set and want to use it! ...except it's boobalicious" problem

[naive elk]

i immediately got a mod for Rise that unlocks layered for every armor you craft

[mystic cape]

Wilds is going to make it available earlier as well

[brave hazel]

Shit, I should get that, what mod is it?

...speaking of Rise, idk if it's a me issue or not, but does it feel like it kinda just controls worse than World to any of y'all?

Tbh it's probably just me getting used to new controls

[mystic cape]

It controls differently

What with the zipping around and fast paced motion

[weak gulch]

Rise still has a bit of crunchiness from older games, makes more sense if you treat it as a continuation of MHGU.

[brave hazel]

Makes sense

[halcyon fractal]

oh! Have these two fashions I have

[brave hazel]

...on another note, why is my kinsect never attacking?

[mystic cape]

My Iceborne fashion is pretty basic

[brave hazel]

I mark a monster and... nothing

[brave hazel]

What I usually go for

Edgy as shit but I like it

[mystic cape]

Mine's just a mix of the Fatalis alpha and beta into something I think looks better than the sets on their own since I wanted to advertise thst I killed that fucking thing

[brave hazel]

I'll probably mix in Fatalis legs and arms once I kill his ass dead

Draken's served me well but it's high time I found something new

[halcyon fractal]

very nice

also I really like odogaron's armor

[halcyon fractal]

well that's foreboding

[outer heron]

ah yes

the second new gen 6 amphibian

Great Paratoad

[brave hazel]

GUNHAMMER

My beloved...

[teal halo]

Is sharpening the gunhammer just reloading it?

[stuck needle]

gotta put a fine edge on each individual bullet

[outer heron]

boom hammer my beloved...

we need that as main series weapon #15

we've got lance and gunlance

where's hammer and boom hammer

[stuck needle]

we need hammer gun to balance gun hammer: a bowgun that looks like a hammer

[teal halo]

Horrible thought

Lala Barina: Giant Fluffy Spider
Angel Dust: Giant Fluffy Spider

[stuck needle]

Angel Dust?

[teal halo]

Hazbin Hotel

[outer heron]

i'm not sure where anything else intersects, looking this character back up

thought i was misremembering something, but no

not even vaguely similar spiders

[teal halo]

Well it’s still a horrible thought but now for different reasons!

[brave hazel]

...hm

For some reason my hunter seems to be randomly drifting to the side when I try to SAED in Rise

It is

Incredibly annoying

[hollow comet]

I'm gonna try cb again now that i know how to charge the sword

are all the set bonuses just +1/2/3 res?

i remember grinding for legiana in world to get the chance for increased quest rewards 😩

[mystic cape]

Those got turned into skills

With levels and stuff

Means you can roll them on charms if you feel like a slow and painful self deletion by RNG bullshit

[hollow comet]

o

charms..

i don't think I've learned about those yet

[brave hazel]

...I've gotta admit

Light bowgun with rapid-firing normal ammo is winning me over

[real zodiac]

oh shit apparently shelling dmaage is linked to attack value

[hollow comet]

i will try...

hbg special ammo just giving me an lmg was very funny

[outer heron]

THIS IS FUCKING HUGE

NO MORE "NORMAL 7 MEANS YOU CAN'T PLAY WIDE OR LONG"

[real zodiac]

It's not confirmed for release, but it looks like shelling damage is increased by hunting horn/palico buffs

[outer heron]

oh damn

[frank epoch]

my gunlance buddy is going to be very very happy about this

[real zodiac]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1ezspur/shelling_is_linked_to_attack_value_now_the_gods/

[desert light]

Oh, that's awesome

I'm not a gunlance person at all

but genuienyl real happy if that';s the case, it'll solve a lot for them

[wicked citrus]

Gunlance Mount Finisher is METAL as HELL

Fuck yeah my baby has gotten upgrades upon upgrades finally alongside all the other weapons.

[vocal haven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/KFHok6FjPF

This monster...

There are underwater sections but no combat

https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/ui8m6Eyq9Z

"I am a bit of a Hunting Horn Main myself"

[mystic cape]

https://youtube.com/shorts/44CPSpHbKpk?si=T8dFqUKvSVVfApek

[snow helm]

God this thing kicks so much ass, I love the lightning rods on its wings. The flying Wyvern/rath bodyplan is pretty hard to innovate on but this is my favourite iteration by far, sorry Bazelgeuse

[halcyon fractal]

what really brings it together are the curved talon things on the tips of its wings

those make it stand out a bit more than the railgun horns

like

if it weren't for the talons, it'd look more "focused on a single gimmick"-y

[weak gulch]

Kinsect might be out of stamina after a while? The non-marking "fire kinsect" move might cancel any marks you've shot too.

[brave hazel]

I figured it out, apparently Capcom just

Completely removed kinsect auto-attack except for Powder-type kinsects

Which is incredibly fucking stupid

...I don't get some of Rise's decisions, first they remove auto-attack for all but one kinsect type and then they absolutely butchered bowgun modding, now all you can add is a power barrel or either a silencer or a shield

[weak gulch]

Rise Kinsects seem to have other special effects in return. Assist type joins some of your attack with all 3 buffs active. Speed type apparently charges while perched (max power with blue light), and does big damage with next Kinsect attack.

I think MHGU had similar limits to bowgun modding? Which is what the portable team last worked on.

[vocal haven]

obviously i gotta wait till i play myself but I am not overly flashed by dual blades yet. Dunno it just seems that they made it even simpler with the exception of demon dodge

DECIMALS

[void narwhal]

More power to you numberfolks o7 I turn them off but even if it's often incredibly clunky to use I'm always surprised how detailed MH menu business gets

[frank epoch]

I for one am just stoked I can bring an AUXL horn and a utility horn in the same hunt!

[vocal haven]

wilds might be the game i try to find a new main weapon

[brave hazel]

Big day for us Hunting Horn mains

All twelve of us lmao

Now we can buff y'all TWICE as good

TWICE

TWO TIMES THE BUFFS

[mystic cape]

Still debating if I want to bring two different weapons or two of the same weapon

Like one to apply paralysis or poison and one for raw or blast

Assuming LS doesn't continue the elemental trend from Rise/Sunbreak anyway since we don't know how things are getting balance this time around

[crude kayak]

oof seems like world servers are not really working atm?

Can see quests but can't join, always failed to join, seen people reporting the same

[hollow comet]

I'll just play a few hunts with cb and listen to a podcast

look at playtime

+1.7 hours somehow

now I'm the eeper

[desert light]

Not seeing that given the new focus mode attacks

(honestly i think any claims of simple/not simple for any weapon are preamture until we actually get to play and se how everyhting slots togther. Focus mode seems like a pretty huge shakeup in general)

[brave hazel]

Debating what kind of kinsect I wanna go for in Rise

On one hand, applying Paralysis with a Powder has proven stupidly good, but on the other, a Support seems fun too

[desert light]

Also, we know Dual Blade demon mode is a lot more invovled to manage now, since more attacks actively spend gauge

So it looks like ieven if the movset is "Simple" on the surface, it's going to be complex in practice with needing an almost dark souls esque appraoch of balancing your stamina on offence and defence useage

while mainting the aggression to keep your gauge up and keep your buffs like demon dodge up

[vocal haven]

Oh ye for sure

[desert light]

(And sorry, i'm probably a little aggro on this stuff because i've had other thrid spaces get all THE SKY IS FALLING over insect glaive changes etc and oh my god it's exhausting)

Just the islliest "Ic ant bounce infintely anymore, therore glaive is dead"and then i'm wathcing the previews and Insect glaive has even wackier aeiral moves and can still do the whole "I crossed an entire area in teh air like it was no thing"

Alsl lol, Longsword gets a mount finisher where you do a big attack.. and then land and sheathe your weapon ,and it's timed in such away the flying mosnter will come plummeting out of the sky as yopu're sheathing

Chefs kiss perfectly anime

Ahahaha, what, CHargeblade now has OVERCHARGED phials

amazing

Charge blade, also know n as Charge your Phials, Charge your Shield, Charge your Sword, Charge Your Phials More, Charge Everything

Oh snap, this from GS gameplay: -rising slash (triangle + circle) can now be charged and is an offset attack (knocks monster over when it collides with them mid attack). Damage is higher than regular charged slash. Not sure how damage compares to strong charge. It can be linked to from pretty much everything except tcs. Follow-ups if offset fails are the same as world.

We got a counter parry attack! a chargable counter parry!

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1f00y20/summary_of_greatswoed_changes_and_additions/

[brave hazel]

Next we'll get charged overcharged phials that you need to complete a Pythagorean Theorem to get that deals a fucktillion damage lmao

[desert light]

Nono, that's Switch Axe

(In rise they have a move that does a funny triangle dash thing)

[mystic cape]

Meanwhile LS is just full on anime bullshit

[brave hazel]

As usual

I hope HBG is restored to its former glory, it just feels Kinda Bad in Rise

[desert light]

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1ezi99v/mhwilds_dual_blades_breakdown_and_analysis_from/

[brave hazel]

Sure, you can dish out stupid damage by charging your shots, but good luck finding a window for that

[desert light]

I mean, i'm happy for it to be, it's looking stylish and doubling down on the coutners etc

as long as every weapon has a good, clear idneity and reasons to run it

i'm pretty happy

(and with 14 weapons, teh chacnes a wepaon will click for you is rpetty high)

[brave hazel]

Aye

[mystic cape]

It has the same counters it has in Iceborne. No new ones or perfect dodges or offsets. LS updates are all offensive.

[brave hazel]

We are absolutely spoiled for choice here

Tbh I'm mostly hoping they beef up the SFX of bowguns, they always sound so piddly

[hollow comet]

uhh my reply discors?

[hollow comet]

ayo?

[brave hazel]

Shouldn't be going pew pew pew, them mfs should be ROARING

[mystic cape]

I'm not complaining TBC, I was trying to be snarky for comedic effect.

[brave hazel]

They should sound thunderous and mighty

Cause they are absolutely fucking massive

Especially HBGs

[desert light]

It;'s in sunbreak ,one of it's silkbinds

[hollow comet]

oh

i should try GS

[brave hazel]

You should

It's fun tackling through a monster

Piledrive from Satan itself? Not today bitch! TACKLE

[brisk dirge]

What's funny to me about this is that AFAIK the funny aerial moves were never really the best thing to do anyway
You were just going to do ground combos

[desert light]

Soaring Wyvern Blade is the thing

[desert light]

Yeah, it's exahusting.

Likerthey're obviousyl going for a more groudned appraoch here. ltierally.

and you're still insect glaive, you still get to fly while everyone else is way more limited

just.. just hcill out for five seconds, you know?

[vocal haven]

All good. I was just a bit miffed db from the controls where just, triangle,.circle, triangle+circle and demon dodge but also without immediately accounting for the increase in complexity with demon dance being segmented into 3 moves, being able to cancel out of it, and demon dodge being a huge increase in skill payoff coupled with the gauge managing now actually being a thing (that also being a thing I dearly wanted. That gauge actually matters. I just got caught up a bit in the ocean of new moves and things other weapons got

But db got really qol updates and gameplay that increase (active) decision making

[desert light]

I'll also say I think it's good to have some simpler moves in the list

Er, weapons

I'd actually argue DB has been simple to pickup hard to Master because of it's relentless attack style

Like it's very easy to do decent damage, but to maintain its all out aggression really relies on you learning movesets, how to compensate for it's lack of reach (eat ankles), etc

[vocal haven]

Yeee

Also rip ghost punching

[desert light]

Ghost punching?

[vocal haven]

The uninterrupteable world demon dance

When the monster leaves and you are stuck in it, essentially pushing ghosts

[mellow harness]

this is maybe a bit to early to speculate but i wonder if wilds is gonna be the easiest game yet. Since we are getting 2 weapons, a mount with some auto dodges, cancelable attacks for some weapons, on top of world features like restocking at camp (at least i think so, not 100% sure if its disabled during quests or not).

i wonder if we are going to see more powerful or agressive monsters later in the game to balance out these power increases to the player. or maybe we just will get some powerful things from older games toned down to balance it out.

[teal halo]

either it'll be easy or we're about to get our tails handed to us

[frank epoch]

my hope is that we don't see a continuation of the trend where our tools as hunters get so powerful that Capcom, in response to this increased level of player power, makes fights that break the barrier between challenging and bullshit in order to compensate

that started to be an issue in iceborne and while i didn't play sunbreak, the wirebugs in Rise felt way too good as a "get out of jail" card. i almost never felt genuinely threatened

[mellow harness]

Im hoping the seikret doesent become that

with the move speed, letting you regenerate instead of consume stamina, and auto dodges, im worried it will take a way a lot of tension as it always gives you a quick option to retreat, recompose, and heal.

Idk something i also wish is that our inventory wasnt so large that you can take every buff, cure, and healing item you want +some materials to make more and still have space left over.

i doubt it will happen but like, drop the inventory cap down and make us prioritize whats most important to bring on hunts.

idk thats my wierd soapbox.

[winged crest]

Maybe it'd be fun to unlock those options and abilities over the course of the game?

[mystic cape]

Typically they tune the monsters with the new tools in mind

[frank epoch]

Right, but if the tools are too good, the monsters need to become bullshit in order for them to remain challenging. It's an arms race

[mellow harness]

where you replying to my comments about invertory space or about wilds giving the players a bunch of new tools/power increases?

[rich valve]

I think the lack of wiredodge from Rise is going to be enormously different for people who played Rise, that move alone made it an "easier" game
every weapon was dramatically more mobile than they probably will be in this new one too

[void narwhal]

Being able to just cancel out of a fall was so cracked

Gimme regular monster hunter but also make a game with even more movement based around this bug it's so fun

[rich valve]

Sunbreak's endgame activites also gave you access to absolutely absurd amounts of player power and skill ranks which again I don't think is probably at least going to happen in the base version of Wilds 😅

[mystic cape]

https://youtu.be/9Z7HrXZQRxg?si=U1-KYthVtjHnsZwS

[mystic cape]

https://fxtwitter.com/PurebIoodKnight/status/1826042247403680229

[wicked citrus]

Though she is definitely slower and more flowy with her attacks from what little I saw of her.

Defintely a key difference between the spider and the woman who is like a sword wielding squirrel on crack.

[winged crest]

Latter

[hollow comet]

yeah it feels very get-out-of jail-free-y

[brave hazel]

Fucking

Whyyyyyyyyyyy do bnahabras disintegrate into dust if you deal slightly too much damage

This is so annoying

[teal halo]

ikr

had to kill vespoids with the net to get the stuff for my gear

[frank epoch]

Use poison bombs!

[gentle knoll]

just throw poison smoke consumables at them

it's ROUGHLY designed to help with bug farming

[hollow comet]

what's a bnahabra

[brave hazel]

Does the poison DoT not make them shatter?

[gentle knoll]

nope

[brave hazel]

Vespoids but Rise-flavored

[gentle knoll]

flying bug small small creatures

[hollow comet]

uhhh

[frank epoch]

Nah

[hollow comet]

what's a vespoid 😭

[brave hazel]

Good to know

[hollow comet]

🤏

[frank epoch]

Bnahabras have been around for a long time

[gentle knoll]

not just rise, historically bnahbras show up more often

[brave hazel]

Annoying piece of shit bug that likes to sting you and paralyze you

[gentle knoll]

not that small

[hollow comet]

ohhhhhh

are u trying to capture them or smth

[gentle knoll]

they drop crafting materials for....

sets that generally look like this

[teal halo]

i was killing vespoids for that sick af odogaron armor

[brave hazel]

I'm going after bnahabras for the insect glaive

I'll also have to go after

Barioth

My beloathed

Why is Barioth a low rank monster, that's just sadistic

[teal halo]

barioth being G rank in worldborne makes sense to me

[stuck needle]

If you just smack them, they break apart without leaving a corpse. If you killing them with slinger level damage or poison they leave a corpse you can carve, which is the only way to get their materials

[hollow comet]

guh

does rise have a slinger

[hollow comet]

ooh

o good hunter...

[gentle knoll]

i mean if you kill them with weapon damage, they have a high chance of breaking apart, but it's also possible to have one or two leave a corpse

[frank epoch]

Pretty sure no

[naive elk]

it does not

[mystic cape]

Poison Smoke Bomb time

[outer heron]

they can also explode from slinger damage, unfortunately

[hollow comet]

let's go gambling!

[outer heron]

poison smoke bombs are the only guaranteed way of not detonating the vespoid

but blunt weapon damage (maybe all, but i know blunt) has a chance of not splattering it

just a bad chance

[halcyon fractal]

🤔 can't you also use the clutch claw to smack 'em repeatedly?

[hollow comet]

gonna try to actually learn LS basics today

[outer heron]

clutch claw smacks also explode vespoids

they have glass bones and paper skin

[halcyon fractal]

😔

its a lot more reliable than hitting them with your big, meaty weapon tho

[outer heron]

yeah

[wicked citrus]

Wait don't throwing knives count to kill o leave a body?

Also that's funny that a blunt weapon is rated to leave a bug body behind when usually blunt force trauma splatters them.

Introduces Vespoid to oversized slipper.

[frank epoch]

not terribly hard, it's the most forgiving weapon in the game. you have oodles of invincible attacks

[brave hazel]

The most fearsome weapon in the game

La Chancla

[wicked citrus]

It's a hammer type weapon, instead of Raw or Element. It deals 150 Emotional Damage.

[brave hazel]

Well, that's

Barioth down

Jesus Christ that was disappointing

I was expecting the nightmare hellbeast of World but it was just

Disappointing

[mystic cape]

Well you've grown since then

[halcyon fractal]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1f041b6/balahara_palico_armor_is_peak_design/

Oh I'm scary, scary, scary

[brave hazel]

What is with these tiny monster HP pools what the hell

I'm taking out a barioth in under 10 minutes, and this is WITH me running around collecting spiribirds counted

I'm not even using defender kit or the uber powerful armor

[gentle knoll]

Low Rank?

[balmy swan]

oh yeah, LR Barioth in Rise is just night and day from MR Barioth in Iceborne

[brave hazel]

Aye

God no kidding

[balmy swan]

the latter walled me while the former was more of a speed bump

[brave hazel]

Hellbeast in World, but he's a fucking joke now

[gentle knoll]

i mean they get to level up when you rank up

[brave hazel]

Look how they massacred my boy

But it isn't just barioth

Everything else I've hunted has been stupidly easy

[gentle knoll]

low rank tends to be that way for vet hunters

it's k, think of it as extended tutorial

[brave hazel]

Makes sense I guess

Probably helps that I know how to make a half decent build with the armor available to me

[balmy swan]

having replayed LR in World recently i can confirm that knowing what you're doing is OP

clearing hunts in 10-15 min easily

[brave hazel]

True

I was just worried the rest of the game was gonna be like this

"Alright there's the monster, time to-aaaaaaaand it's limping."

[gentle knoll]

don't think i've played any monhun that's just straight up easy across

[teal halo]

kbitty mecha!

[gentle knoll]

but then i'm bad enough at video games that i 3 cart to HR jaggies

[brave hazel]

Lmao

[brave hazel]

I pray that we can see hunter mechs

[teal halo]

i mean to be fair pink rathian was a wall to me

[brave hazel]

PLEASE Capcom

[brave hazel]

Pink rathian's a fucking asshole to fight, I can't blame you

[gentle knoll]

best we got at this point

[brave hazel]

At THIS point

[brave hazel]

Who's to say what might show up in the future?

...also why do the pants on Male A look like they belong on Male B and vice versa

[teal halo]

during my worldborne replay i will not use defender like i once did. defender is a vile temptress.

[gentle knoll]

tbf having a special mode for a pilotable mech feels potentially cluncky for monhun

[teal halo]

this shall grant me power and knowledge of my foes

[brave hazel]

Use it if you want, it'll just rocket you to the Fun Stuff faster

[brave hazel]

Fuck, I'll take mech-looking armor

[teal halo]

i will play the game how it was meant to be played

[brave hazel]

I would NEVER take that shit off

Do you have any idea how TIGHT hunter power suit would be

[gentle knoll]

what skill does defender armor have in world?

[brave hazel]

Generic boosts to important stuff

[gentle knoll]

cause like

[teal halo]

yeesh, you i sound like some kind of purist or something

[brave hazel]

It

[gentle knoll]

if it's just extending survivability, i see no reason to not wear it

[brave hazel]

's OP, but not as blatant as the Defender weapons

[gentle knoll]

not like you're doing more damage

[brave hazel]

Well then the issue is, it incentivizes you to just not learn stuff

Why bother dodging? I'll take negligible chip damage.

[gentle knoll]

on a replay? you already learned those, don't you?

[brave hazel]

Guard pointing? Eh.

[brave hazel]

True

[teal halo]

but it lures in newbies

[brave hazel]

Still. I feel it removes the risk of combat and thus the thrill of it.

[gentle knoll]

oh i'm arguing for the specific case of insomniac talking about its usage on a repolay

[teal halo]

i can understand why but i prefer to wear the scales bone and carapace of my foes the whole way through

[brave hazel]

Fair

[gentle knoll]

that i can rtespect

[brave hazel]

And defender weapons just look kinda

Boring

[teal halo]

yeah

[brave hazel]

Color-swapped versions of the base kit

[teal halo]

its just black metal

its blast element so it has something going for it

[brave hazel]

Meanwhile I could be swinging around a lump of Rathalos

[teal halo]

but other than that

yeah

[gentle knoll]

thought i saw you mention not wanting to overpower opponents when that's more deternined by weapon performance

[brave hazel]

Not quite, I mean more like

[teal halo]

i want to wield a poisoned blade made from a rathian while wearing the rest of it

[brave hazel]

Removing the risk of carting and thus removing that thrill of having to play good

[teal halo]

not be covered in metal with a metal weapon

[teal halo]

if it looked good this wouldnt be an argument

[gentle knoll]

there's also argument to be made for delaying carting to get more opportunities to practice dodge timing

[teal halo]

but theres a better metal armor thats a layered set called silver knight

[brave hazel]

Silver knight fucking rules

Shame it gets overshadowed by Fucking Everything Else when you reach the Guiding Lands

Or get any layered armor from the events

Gala Suit my beloved

I love slaying monsters and looking fucking FANCY while I'm doing it

[teal halo]

and if you offer me the choice of be powerful but look shit or mask awful armor with an incredible knight outfit you can call me Don Quixote because goddamnit im going to delude myself into being a knight

[gentle knoll]

defender armor doesn't practically make you invincible, it just enhances your ability to take hits

[brave hazel]

True

I guess it's just a difference of opinions innit

[gentle knoll]

for sure, different perspectives

[brave hazel]

I guess for now I'll just enjoy breezing through low rank

I'm sure that'll change soon

[teal halo]

i havent hunted a diablos in an eternity and need to redownload the moveset.

rathalos will be fine since its just rathian but more airtime

but man FUCK diablos i hate how much armor it has

[brave hazel]

Diablos sucks

Fuck diablos

I can help if you want

...though that help will just be me bulldozing the poor fucker

[teal halo]

no need, i'll just use this fancy odogaron armor and weapon ive got

[brave hazel]

That's a "coughing baby vs atom bomb" type fight there

[teal halo]

i prefer to fight my opponents in a worthy duel if i havent fought them before or in a long time

besides, i only call in help for nergigante

[rapid lion]

oh god don't remind me of how much I hated fighting Diablos. You need its parts for the ice insect glaive but its hitboxes are jank, and while it looks like you can totally jump over its hitbox and stay above it when it charges, you absolutely can not. You get hip-checked except without actually making physical contact.

[weak gulch]

I recall World diablos really feeling like the previous games stil with how it moved/attacked, very dangerous to slip up against.

[crude kayak]

hyper toad tetsucabra was giving me a hard time in GU

but on try 3 it's down using valor GL

Now I can upgrade obsidian CB to 200 damage version

I might be doing it a bit earlier than I should but I desire upgrades

[halcyon fractal]

https://vxtwitter.com/MidnightBoshi/status/1827405517267800380

HOLY FUCK

that SPIN

the grass being set on fire

aaaaaaa

[teal halo]

o yea im usin both trick weapons

[outer heron]

HHHNNNNNFFFFFFFGGGGGHHHHHHH

[brave hazel]

Oooooooooooooo I unlocked Counter Morph Slash

Now I can guard point a LOT more reliably

[mystic cape]

Someone made up a Rey Dau theme https://youtu.be/dFoFLAPtdT4?si=a41iKMeP1mYG6JH-

It's pretty good

[outer heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDSPvzIG0g

cool KT run

[twilit granite]

Okay but what if they do equal dragon weapon

For wilds

[vocal haven]

eh

cant top Ahtal Kha

[outer heron]

absolutely can, i've been waiting for a canonized equal dragon weapon for a fucking decade and change

i need it

and one day

one fateful day, we shall find deliverance

[twilit granite]

Ahtal kha is pretty fuckin sick I cannot lie

I just think that since this is their 20th anniversary game it might be cool to see

Even minorly referenced really

[naive elk]

Ahtal Ka goes hard

Equal Dragon Weapon is the coolest fucking name for anything ever though

[outer heron]

YES IT IS

[naive elk]

it's simply unmatched

[teal halo]

if it gets canonized i will lose it

[vocal haven]

the more you talk about the more I am like hmm

maybe not base game

but what about the expansions black dragon equivalent/ true end boss

[outer heron]

"THIS IS MY GIANT DRAGON-KILLING FUCKING GUNDAM, A CYBERNETIC SHELLIAN MONSTROSITY MADE REAL BY THE UNHOLY FUSION OF MACHINE AND DRACONIC FLESH"

"IT'S CALLED THE EQUAL DRAGON WEAPON"

[teal halo]

if it does appear at the end, then that means we would be fighting the reason fatalis did that shit

[outer heron]

PLEASE GIVE ME THIRTY

i mean

fatalis is also just an asshole

[teal halo]

yeah true

but still

[outer heron]

Schrade isn't the Ancient Civilization

in the mh1 concept book lore

it's an entirely unrelated kingdom

[teal halo]

iirc the EDW was the tipping point

[vocal haven]

I would like a non elder dragon/black dragon end boss

[outer heron]

that fatalis burned to the ground

[teal halo]

this would be fun too

[outer heron]

the ancient civilization is the one that made the like

assorted artifact and gear sets

[vocal haven]

thats why i adore athal kha so much

[outer heron]

and the tower made of kushala daora corpses

[vocal haven]

it was like "ohhh big elder dragon"

you are like

dafuq

tis just a yellow mantis

[outer heron]

and also either the charge blade or switch axe iirc

[vocal haven]

and then your are like "TIS IS NOT A SIMPLY MANTIS, BUT A MACHINE TO SURPASS METAL GEAR"

[outer heron]

i don't remember which

[teal halo]

then it pulls a mech from the ground

[outer heron]

but i'm fairly certain one of those weapons is ancient tech

[twilit granite]

I mean we're going to a forbidden land. Why is this land forbidden? What's under the sands here?

[outer heron]

and the other is guild tech reverse-engineered from it

[vocal haven]

tru tru

[twilit granite]

Why is the main theme called the Truth/Price of a Beautiful World?

What truth or what price

[outer heron]

THE PRICE IS DELIVERANCE

THE ONLY TRUTH IS BLOOD

A HUNTER MUST HUNT

[vocal haven]

but ye. PLS not another big elder dragon fight. as cool as safi is, i kinda tire for these types of monsters as the big bosses. (love you kulve for being different)

also sidenote. I kinda hope we get a "Ravening Rey Dau"

(aka angry word in front of monster subtype and the one for wild being it)

but we also havent seen a fraction of the new monsters so

equally cool stuff might/is def lurking

[teal halo]

so far we seem to be getting a lot of things we've wanted for the series

[vocal haven]

lemme fight a baby mohran on foot only yap yap

[teal halo]

no more genderlock on armor, a return to a more ecologically intense world, no more wirebugs, we seem to be in business

[outer heron]

i mean, the wirebugs were like

mostly guaranteed to be rise-only

as is tradition for the side games

same with the eco-intensity of World

since that was the gen 5 mainline

but yeah, it's def relieving to get the confirmation

[teal halo]

my only problem is i cant see what could be a good endboss instead of a traditional elder dragon

[outer heron]

well

knowing more than 5-10% of the roster and 1.5 of the regions would help

[vocal haven]

true

[frank epoch]

Arch Tempered Konchulala

[teal halo]

ahtal ka is a good example of a nontraditional endboss so having something weird like that would count

[frank epoch]

it's a mix of a konchu and a congalala

[outer heron]

if the final boss is sharting monkey i'm pirating wilds

[frank epoch]

sharting bug monkey

that rolls around

[vocal haven]

I guess you cant really count magnamalo as one of the end monsters or can you#

i forgot the monster "line" of rise

[outer heron]

magnamalo is the flagship, but not the endboss

[teal halo]

i have hope for something relating to elder dragons

[outer heron]

that would be narwa

[vocal haven]

oh yee

i..dont let them into my mind

[teal halo]

none of the elder trio returns

thats my hope

[vocal haven]

I dont like narwa. to me its just a weaker amatsu

and i fucking love amatsu

[naive elk]

Amatsu sure is a monster

one of the fights of all time

[vocal haven]

but ye. I hope for an athal kha esque boss monster

[naive elk]

i did not like Amatsu in Rise

it has an absurd healthbar and it just drags the fucking fight on for waaaaaay too long

[vocal haven]

I think there is so much cool stuff you could do by just not making an elder dragon the endboss all the time

[brave hazel]

Is the Remobra LBG worth using in Rise? Rapid-firing Spread does seem decent, even if it's only Spread 1 at the moment.

[teal halo]

im simply praying that teostra, kushala, and chameleos dont appear

[vocal haven]

kinda agree yap

namielle can come back

[teal halo]

nami was cool

[outer heron]

namielle is one of my favorite designs in monhun history

[naive elk]

Namielle is peak

[teal halo]

i hope we get a completely unique set of elders this run

(other than nami and maybe vaal)

[vocal haven]

yes but

[outer heron]

i want vaal hazak entirely for its armor sets

[vocal haven]

I kinda wanna see if they can make a cooler jhen mohran fight

[outer heron]

and namielle in spite of its armor sets

[vocal haven]

make it like a safi siege

[frank epoch]

I wish the namielle fight was cooler

[teal halo]

hell, add a nnew elder and youve got a new trio right there

[frank epoch]

it didn't feel like it was as cool as it could've been

[outer heron]

i can respect that

[vocal haven]

nakarkos can also come back

[naive elk]

no love for Namielle armor?

[vocal haven]

always

[outer heron]

i hope they make namielle more jacked

honestly

[vocal haven]

more thin beams!

[frank epoch]

If there's like a Crimsonglow Namielle that'd be cool

[outer heron]

considering the desert part of the windward plains

i really fucking hope we get like

[naive elk]

i'm a big namielle armor fan

[outer heron]

shara ishvalda in the DLC or a content update

shara has some of my favorite weapon designs & names in monhun

[vocal haven]

rainstorm weather in the desert that spawns namielle

[naive elk]

Shara Ishvalda weapons go hard

[vocal haven]

i would be so intersted if they could do a narkakros in the worlds/wilds graphics

[outer heron]

nah, rainstorm weather in the scarlet forest that drowns it and turns it into a drastically different island-based area

[vocal haven]

and how it would translate

[outer heron]

like in skyward sword

[vocal haven]

we might get that. there is underwater movement/sections*

but no underwater combat*

[teal halo]

maybe next game

[frank epoch]

There was some underwater stuff in World

[outer heron]

not free movement

[frank epoch]

Like some areas in Ancient Forest

Yeah

[outer heron]

just a couple like

"QTE" dives

wilds showcased full free movement

which means, since the dev team has recently been ALARMED AND ALERTED by the ravenous hoonter-lust of the playerbase for aquatic combat...

[vocal haven]

honestly looking back at fifth gen

[outer heron]

we might see it in the DLC

[vocal haven]

i think we had way to many fucking elders

[outer heron]

World alone didn't have a ton

[teal halo]

want me to pull out a list of them?

[outer heron]

i think it was a rather modest count for its status as like

the game that explicitly focuses on elder dragons

base game was nergi, vaal hazak, zora, xeno, and the returning teo/luna & kushala

[vocal haven]

and kirin if we count it

[outer heron]

oh right kirin

but that's less new elders than in gen 3

or gen 4

[teal halo]

meanwhile, in the frost

[outer heron]

iceborne added more ofc, with velkhana, namielle, shara, and safi

and kt

[teal halo]

and alatreon and fatalis

[outer heron]

alatreon and fatalis are not new monsters

[teal halo]

oh i thought we were counting overall

[vocal haven]

and ruiner/blackveil if we count them (but also can just no count easy)

[teal halo]

our bad lol

[outer heron]

ruiner and blackveil are basically just like

[vocal haven]

and behemoth

[brave hazel]

...should invest in evade extender I reckon

[outer heron]

"the master/G-rank versions of the monster"

[brave hazel]

Given you get... what, 8 i-frames?

Which is fucking comical

[outer heron]

same as like

hallowed jhen

which is just prettier-looking normal jhen

with bigger numbers

[vocal haven]

looking back at the list. man gen 3 had a goated new elder lineup

[outer heron]

i mostly only like the jhen morans and ceadeus

[vocal haven]

no amatsu and dire? gasp

[outer heron]

not a huge alatreon fan, zero opinions on amatsu, and i dislike dire miralis

[vocal haven]

fair

oh wait gen 4 is popping

[outer heron]

gen 4 has gogmazios, gore/shagaru magala, and nakarkos, yeah

three of my favorites

dalamadur i'm happy exists

[vocal haven]

nakarkos, valstrax, gogmazios, shagaru we dont count dahren, and esp not orochi kirin

[outer heron]

but i don't love the fight

[naive elk]

bring me back Gogmazios

[outer heron]

yeah

i hope we get like

[naive elk]

Also Dalamadur

i don't care if the fight is mid

just bring it back

[vocal haven]

I think its way more likely we get a new jhen fight

[outer heron]

a tar-themed environment vaguely similar to Rotten Vale

[vocal haven]

esp since the sand boats already made a distinct appearance

[outer heron]

that brings back Radobaan as a wyvern and Gogmazios as the setpiece elder

[vocal haven]

but ye. non elder dragon end boss pls

[naive elk]

you may have 10 Rathalos as a final fight

[vocal haven]

sick of dem elders stealing all the glory

althought sunbreaks was p good

[outer heron]

i'm uh

a very big fan of iceborne's elder lineup

beyond the final two black dragons

[vocal haven]

I would largely agree with the big exception of ruiner

[outer heron]

velkhana fucked, i'm the rare shara fight enjoyer, and the KT & safi sieges are some of my favorite "raid"-style content i've encountered

[naive elk]

Safi'jiiva fucks as a fight

[outer heron]

namielle is probably my favorite elder in the franchise, but nergi's mid, yeah

[vocal haven]

I was so fucking disappointed by ruiner

[naive elk]

still my least favourite design in all of Monster Hunter

[outer heron]

i love nergi's design

[naive elk]

but the fight is good

[outer heron]

but i wish it had more going on

[vocal haven]

yee

ruiner being nergi but MORE SPIKY was uh

a choice

and the fight wasnt really different like at all

my personal take would have been to have iceborne nergi be a rage form similiar to furious, savage etc

[teal halo]

also why bleed

why'd they give him that

[outer heron]

that one just makes sense

it's a lizard made of knives that throws knife explosions at you

[brave hazel]

Seems they streamlined HH massively in Rise

Very gud, makes it more convenient to play songs

[brisk dirge]

it's a very different weapon

[vocal haven]

i dont think the hunting horns mains would agree with you there LOL

[brave hazel]

I AM a horn main lmfao

It's nice not having to do combos to activate my melodies, they're fun but the streamlining of it is also nice

[vocal haven]

huh, i uh have heard p different things

[teal halo]

not many agree with you, divine crustacean.

[brave hazel]

Difference of opinion I guess

[outer heron]

yeah, sounds like you're gonna be pretty disappointed by Wilds HH

[brave hazel]

Doesn't bother me none

's wrong with it?

[outer heron]

the Rise HH was extremely unpopular among horn players, and Wilds reflects the World edition very strongly

but with more complexity through the Echo Bubbles

[mystic cape]

Which can be used to set off sonic shockwaves

[brisk dirge]

the bubbles do seem neat

[brave hazel]

Aye

I fucking adore the little jig you perform to cast them

[outer heron]

ah, cool cool

i'm hyped as fuck for all the weapons in wilds, so i'm sad seeing anyone else be disappointed by them lol

[brave hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-zoul-dance-dark-souls-dance-dark-souls-trident-gif-26929464

[brisk dirge]

I mean so far I see absolutely no reason to dislike anything of what we've seen in Wilds

it seems to mostly be the Worlds movesets with some tweaks and new additions

all the weapons seem pretty good so far

[brave hazel]

I love that you can harass Utsushi with your owl lmao

[brave hazel]

...Jesus FUCK why does longsword feel so anemic

[outer heron]

in rise?

[brave hazel]

In Rise, yes

The basic combo feels

Incredibly slow

Idk why, it's presumably the same as World's and I quite enjoy World's LS

It's probably just a skill issue on my part tbh

[brisk dirge]

Rise LS focuses even more on the counters

ISS is huge, if you can pull it off consistently

[brave hazel]

Definitely a skill issue on my part then

[frank epoch]

hunting horners stand the FUCK up https://x.com/Revonlieke/status/1827155729825874092

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#MHWilds but it's the Twinning!

Twitter · Aug 24, 2024, 1:27 AM

[brave hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/stunt-show-off-warming-up-ready-to-fight-get-up-gif-15007805

[brisk dirge]

Quick Sheathe also actually helps a lot in Rise

it makes the special sheathe much faster as well, so you can ISS easier on reaction

[mystic cape]

Yeah in Rise Quick Sheathe makes the Special Sheathe way the hell faster, unlike World where it's a small if noticable difference

[brisk dirge]

in general, ISS and Helmbreaker are really strong in Rise

[mystic cape]

ISS increases Spirit Guage level and Helmbreaker is much easier to pull off since your wirebug pulls you into the monster.

[hollow comet]

rise feels faster in general

[hollow comet]

ooooh

[mystic cape]

Rise is faster in general

What with the wire bugs letting you zip around the area all willy nilly

[brisk dirge]

it's genuinely a huge difference
ideally you get it on a talisman, but the Aknosom armor is also a good source of Quick Sheathe

[brave hazel]

Right, right

Wanna git gud at it because I quite enjoy the Hand Me Down sword and I want to use it

I only wish it had a properly curved blade and a thinner guard

Even still it's my new favorite longsword design, beats out even the Supremacy Blade and Brimstren Drakenbone

[hollow comet]

yeah 😌

i feel like I'm playing badly 😔

mashing too hard

[hollow comet]

maybe I'll try ISS to try to beat the rampage

i failed it on my only try so far 😔

[brisk dirge]

Rampage is weird

[brave hazel]

Lookin good, if I do say so meself

Now if only there was an eyepatch...

Or, well, there is, but that's

Very much midgame

If not endgame

[crude kayak]

Haven't really touched CB in MHGU, despite it being my main in other games.
Started to figure it out in GU.
In it you do shield charge from axe mode for red shield and if you do it from SnS mode you get yellow shield. Which is not confusing at all. (red is just better)
And then you do SAED input but cancel it by back+X mashing into regular AED, so it gets buffed by red shield but doesn't eat it up like SAED does.
CB is a totally normal not confusing weapon.

[crude kayak]

Which monhun is this?

[brave hazel]

Rise

[crude kayak]

Grass threw me off.

[twilit granite]

Dead serious, get to the dlc and unlock sacred sheath. Add evade extender. You will feel like a god

[hollow comet]

goal for today is to land an ISS and maybe beat the rampage

maybe i need to engage with the defenses more

idk how to dump my sword meter, it fills up pretty fast

i guess i can do helm breaker into ZR spam

[brave hazel]

MAN

WHAT DID THEY DO TO THE ZINOGRE HBG

WHERE'S MY RAILGUN

They turned that mf into a goddamn motorcycle 😭

[halcyon fractal]

😔 it was a motorcycle in the previous games

as well as a railgun

[hollow comet]

i did not know there were other tabs for these defenses

that helped a lot..

[brisk dirge]

oh yeah the auto turrets are very helpful

in general you can often use the turrets mainly to deal with the smaller mobs

[teal halo]

I just had a thought

[hollow comet]

[teal halo]

How many Jagras (not great just normal) would it take to kill a hunter in fatalis gear? How many are needed to overwhelm the ultimate hunter?

[hollow comet]

3

[teal halo]

Only three? You sure?

[mystic cape]

Assuming the hunter doesn't fight back

[teal halo]

No this is assuming they do fight back

[brave hazel]

Depends on the scaling

Low or high-rank, they'd need incomprehensible numbers to deal with a Fatalis hunter

High rank, probably thousands

...speaking of jagras, isn't it weird that there's jagras all over Rise but not a single great jagras?

[mystic cape]

Indeed

[brave hazel]

Finally getting the hang of Rise's longsword

Still fucking up the timing for foresight slash though

Mostly because monsters keep delaying their attacks

Which is annoying

[brave hazel]

...agh

Kinda wanna get that layered armor progression mod, but it feels vaguely cheat-y somehow, even though it's 100% not cheating

[naive elk]

do what you want

[brave hazel]

Yeah but I'm conflicted on wanting the layered armor mod or not wanting it

On one hand, getting the layered version of the Wroggi set would be fucking amazing for my LBG build, but on the other, I vaguely don't want to fuck up my progression, even if it's just cosmetics

[real zodiac]

There are no material consequences of getting transmog in the first few hours, rather than the last few

Or at least, there shouldn't be

[naive elk]

there is literally no reason not to do it

it has no effect on any other part of the game

[brave hazel]

...yeah, true

Fuck it, why not, I yearn for drip beyond my cool ronin clothes

...bigger issue, apparently the mod doesn't work anymore?

[outer heron]

https://vxtwitter.com/LluisAbadias/status/1827752801541526000?t=ListGOtbNaNYSSSQtXD2OA&s=19

[hollow comet]

🙆

[hollow comet]

might give this a try honestly

[mystic cape]

https://youtu.be/_RSODVzZ5fM?si=EgGaFA_7P27-Vt2J

[brave hazel]

GOD

REAL

[brave hazel]

I will too when I can find a solution that works, apparently the entire thing isn't working lately

[hollow comet]

oh :(

[desert light]

Just play the game you unlock layered armor pretty fast

[naive elk]

The mod isn't working?

[brave hazel]

From what I read in the notes

Lot of people saying it's not working

[wicked prism]

https://fixupx.com/quirklessstoner/status/1827750856311066676?s=46&t=7DTwBU0B8MpfW3hL1VXIyg

[wicked citrus]

I'm so stoked about Wilds. With the two weapon on mount pack switch, I can switch between the Badaboom Gunlance and the Dootslayer Hunting Horn.

[stuck needle]

I'm really curious how armor skills are going to shake out with dual wielding. I like the idea of embracing the concept and not just packing a second copy of my primary weapon, but it feels like mixing gunner and melee weapons especially will be tough

[halcyon fractal]

oh yeah same

idk how I'm gonna fit horn maistro + KO master with artillery + capacity

on my set

UNLESS we get gems earlier than expected 🤔

[stuck needle]

we've seen some indications there'll be more ways of getting skills: skills on weapons, armor sets based on monster type for mixed sets, etc. maybe it'll work out that you can make a mixed set for any two weapons? probably more likely that you pick your primary and then a secondary will suggest itself based on the random extra skills

[halcyon fractal]

ahh I see

[stuck needle]

That or you go all in on your primary and bring something that can do some kind of work with zero investment, like getting off exactly one status effect proc with a light bow gun (or if the monster's gimmick needs a specific combination of elements or something)

[vocal haven]

I could see maybe like switch skills on armor

Like sharpness exchanged for Pierce up if you swap to a ranged or something like that maaaybe

It's prob way less of a problem for bow

[desert light]

Assuming this is accurate

https://i.redd.it/2m37tbwex5ld1.png

Fucking hell.

"For the asking, the person who scaled it compared footage of a hunter moving in a more or less straight line between two items of the map, then compared that distance in wildspire waste. It's not very precise, since the hunters may not move at exactly the same speed and all but it gives a rough estimate"

[wicked citrus]

Bruh, if that is accurate size. No wonder Wilds has a dedicated Mount system

[hollow comet]

oh jeez

[vocal haven]

BEEEEEG INFO dump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF-eY2AgCcU

ohhhh

new meal system?

[hollow comet]

oooooh!

[vocal haven]

it unironcially could be similar to the ones we got but i never make a meal myself XD

[crude kayak]

It's kind of not that much bigger in a way?

looks like overall same size with wilds also having big open areas of not much in em?

[desert light]

Note the wilds map is missing several areas because they were unavailbie in the demo

and the cale dseems to be dramatically bigger

[brave hazel]

hoo

Big fuckin chainsword...

My beloved

[halcyon fractal]

OH I LOVE THAT THING

[hollow comet]

213 hits

😨

i do wish the game had a full movelist/flowchart

or those lil prompts in the top right like world

[brave hazel]

Anyone here care to lend me a hand with Azure Apex? I don't like running rampages by myself but nobody ever seems to join when I put out a join request.

[stuck needle]

you might have better luck with SOS flares. IIRC people were way more responsive to those

(I'd be happy to help curbstomp a bear, but I still need to reinstall Rise)

[brave hazel]

...there's still SOS flares?

[stuck needle]

yeah. might've been a menu option? and I think you can add it to the quick select inventory wheel?

[brave hazel]

Not seeing it anywhere

...god, why did they change it from World's SOS system, that was a great system

Sure you'd sometimes get post-Fatalis mfs that'd melt the monster in like two seconds, but I'll take that over having to play the base game entirely solo and only getting to play with folks in one specific line of quests

And not being able to drop in to help some guy who's been at it for 30 minutes with two faints and clutch him a hunt

Those were the BEST feelings, swear to god

[stuck needle]

looks like I remembered wrong: Join Requests are Rise's equivalent to SOS, so you were already doing it right

[brave hazel]

Rise's system barely feel functional, somehow I keep getting put in quests that end before I can really do anything

[hollow comet]

yeah a lot of the joins i get happen at the very end

and i lose out on some cash 😔

[brave hazel]

Managed to find an Apex Azuros rampage that WASN'T about to end, surprisingly

[hollow comet]

HR 572

??

😭

[teal halo]

how do you even

[crude kayak]

it's me with low MR hunt SOSs

But I'm also bad so it evens out.

[halcyon fractal]

thinking of a bird wyvern that eats various bowgun ammo plants and uses them to shoot stuff at hunters

like eating a latchberry will make it shoot piercing projectiles that can bleed hunters, piercing right through their armor

or Dragonfell berries causing dragonblight

or blastnuts causing explosions with a high stun value

but they're so

[hollow comet]

gonna try bow today

[crude kayak]

I think something like that exists?

Not a bird but a monkey, congalala

[vocal haven]

Also basically confirmed in wilds since it's armor is ingame

[crude kayak]

It's not exactly like that since it's mostly mushrooms, but eating certain ones gives it poison or fire attacks and such

[halcyon fractal]

I mean, yeah, but I hate congalala

plus a bird wyvern that eats bowgun ammo like a toucan would be cool

[twilit granite]

man i have to wait so long for kulve taroth to come back

[candid perch]

Waaa

I have finally discovered the thread

[candid perch]

Wasn't there also like
A hunting horn monster

[rich valve]

quropeco

would be a fun one to return

[candid perch]

Oh it's not 'peco that I'm thinking of
It literally had a hunting horn looking thing for a tail

Ah, found it
Poborubarumu
https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Poborubarumu

Apparently it actually buffs itself with songs too

I think there are a few other hunter weapon inspired monsters
Glavenus is obviously greatsword for one, Uragaan for hammer maybe? Goss is the only S&S I can think of, also the only dual blades I can think of too

[hollow comet]

till!!

[candid perch]

Danny!!

[candid perch]

...there are probably too many charging monsters for one to take the lance archetype individually, but gunlance, charge blade, switch axe... No idea how you'd do those

[hollow comet]

bow is hard

[stuck needle]

it gets a lot better+easier when you start racking up armor skills. (and in Rise once you can swap out the switch skills)

[hollow comet]

i see..

[stuck needle]

actually, before I start digging up youtube tutorials: are you looking for help or looking to vent?

[hollow comet]

help would be appreciated

i'm still very new

[stuck needle]

OK, great! I'm a bit rusty, but I played through most of Rise High Rank with the bow so I'll see what I can remember.