MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[thick sphinx]

The Slime's trait

[rancid girder]

doesn't beat armor

err

[short estuary]

That's a bunch of instances of 1

[rancid girder]

doesn't beat ward/super armor

[short estuary]

It can wear down vit

But assumes a lot of plaguegen

[thick sphinx]

Yeah, but if there's one thing Mox is good at it's plague gen

[opaque socket]

Mmmh it isn't clear if you're meant to discard a VIT token if you get past it with plague

I feel like you might be supposed to

[short estuary]

The way we've been doing it is it just ignores it

And doesn't tick down

[thick sphinx]

? Plague ignores tokens

[arctic solar]

Not as of the current definition of vitality tonebs

Where they only get discarded if they actually reduce damage

[opaque socket]

Plague does, what i'm saying is, does it ignoring the token's effect mean it doesn't tick down as if it was used

[thick sphinx]

I assume so, since discarding it is part of the effect

[opaque socket]

Mmmmh

So

[short estuary]

We just assumed because it just ignored it it didn't tick down, but if the trigger is "taking damage"....

Yeah taking damage even if it doesn't reduce it would, theoretically, tick it down

[opaque socket]

Technically Vitality still tries to reduce the damage, is my read

its just that plague gets to ignore it

[silent sluice]

it doesn't matter

Sol has it right

[arctic solar]

Current vit says "take -1 damage, discard a token after reducing damage this way"

[opaque socket]

the same way ignoring armor doesn't mean you don't count as having it

Yeah

[pine crescent]

Oh seriously? I'll fix it tomorrow morning. I don't know how I missed that.

[opaque socket]

what i'm saying is

Plague is more specific

to me

[charred glacier]

Not mine, but I love their work and I will be commissioning the heck outta them for sure

[opaque socket]

it doesn't ignore the token really

[lethal trench]

if Plague ignores reductions, then the Vit token did not reduce the damage

[opaque socket]

it just can't be reduced

[silent sluice]

it doesn't matter if it ignores the token or not

[lethal trench]

so it shouldn't get discarded

[silent sluice]

^

[arctic solar]

You want, like, melt + strength to very definitely slay that 1 hp guy over there

[primal nest]

fuck yeah

what you running on that?

[opaque socket]

I'm not gonna continue this but like, I do feel like you're just straight up ignoring what i'm saying here haha

[pine crescent]

There's not an entry for Dark Priest? It's in the token data file

[silent sluice]

what are you saying?

[thick sphinx]

Only problem with taking Melt is that you're not taking Necrocide. It's a hard choice

[lethal trench]

well if you're only on Spite, yeah

[opaque socket]

not gonna continue this tbh

[thick sphinx]

Or Carniphagous Blade. So many good ACT options on the Plaguelord

[ocean bloom]

Honestly it didn't win so I'm not sure on suggesting it but it was a build about spreading hazards with host, leech, and the soul ability "praise the filth" which let me duplicate like 5 spaces of hazards I believe. I didn't have a Rotten though.

[primal nest]

nice

i was thinkin it was similar to what i run but guess not

still cool tho

[thick sphinx]

Praise the Filth is neat

[ocean bloom]

I need to get used to how to play honestly I'm not much into wargames

[pine crescent]

Oh I see what's missing. Easy fix when I get to it

[languid lotus]

do we have a new errata doc or is it the same one or?

[thick sphinx]

No new one, I don't think anyone's gone through and checked which ones have been fixed

[ocean bloom]

I wish it had more range though, since it's range 2 praise the filth can only reach so far and I want to coat more places in horrible goo

[bronze jetty]

i read it the same way, vit says to remove a token when you take damage, not just if it reduces

[thick sphinx]

That's explicitely not true in 1.1

[gentle thicket]

Doesnt look like its there
But no rush! Youve done an amazing work so far!

[bronze jetty]

speaking of, can someone dm me 1.1, i'd love to know

[solid vapor]

i think praise the filth could stand to be nerfed

[lethal trench]

this was specifically clarified because of the interaction with armor

[thick sphinx]

Are the rats hazards?

[primal nest]

RAT

[solid vapor]

yeah. yeah

and the fire.

[languid lotus]

1.1 on page 18 reads:

Vitality: Take -1 damage, discard one after reducing damage this way.
so my read is that it's not discarded if the damage isn't reduced

[thick sphinx]

PRAISE THE MANY-TAILED GOD!

[ocean bloom]

Rat rat, rat rat rat, rat rat, rat ra trat, RAT RAT

[bronze jetty]

someone already clarified this for me, thanks. this is a change in 1.1; the original version does not have the clarification of "after reducing damage this way"

[solid vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-rat-jump-gif-3333922911057271749

[primal nest]

https://imgur.com/OXBh9uS

[rancid girder]

I am growing on the carcass double AoE list

devil bullet/living cannon + goblin + egis then filler to really punish grouping

[crisp night]

necromancer ACTs finished

now the SOUL abilities

which will probably be the hardest part for me

coming up with shit that's powerful enough to warrant being resource linked but not too powerful so as to be busted

this homebrew process has been fueled almost entirely by linkin park and a lot of tortilla chips

[stray gate]

mood

[supple kiln]

https://i.imgur.com/w2cJFGR.png
THE CORPSE PILE GROWS. ARMOR COUNTERS GOREGRINDERS

[tiny fulcrum]

[solid vapor]

really though i think it could be nerfed- it kinda dominates any map ive seen it on

or at least have a cap on how much it can create

[languid lotus]

at this rate i'm gonna become a carcass or deadsouls or something main

[solid vapor]

per use

[rancid girder]

carcass is solid

[crisp night]

it's funny because for every person i see say "carcass really struggles in x situation" i then see carcass blowing games up

[rancid girder]

I'm quite the fan

[crisp night]

(obviously i know they can have weaknesses and still win but it's funny to see)

[rancid girder]

imo part of it is that carcass is pretty forgiving

you've got a lot of tools and your units are generally able to contribute from most positions

[languid lotus]

i like goregrinders aesthetically and want to start with an easy playstyle but i keep seeing dunks and it throws me

[rocky stump]

I played CARCASS and hit a wall but also the soul abilities were not clicking with me

[rancid girder]

imo carcass is pretty straightforward

[tiny fulcrum]

You gotta not let that tilt you tbh

[rancid girder]

set up your gunline, wave at your opponent and say "advance and die"

[crisp night]

there's also been plenty of matches where grinders won

posted in here

[tiny fulcrum]

There's gonna be a winner and a loser in every match

[crisp night]

play what looks fun to you and what you think you will enjoy

that's my advice in almost anything

[rocky stump]

yeah and if it turns out not to be fun, try something else out

[rancid girder]

on some scenarios you can have two losers

[crisp night]

i play fighting games extensively and i always just pick whatever character looks fun or has the coolest jacket, viability be damned, and i always end up having a better time than if i try adhering to tierlists

[stray gate]

ye the only time you really have to care about optimal play is like, if you're really going for competitive play which I dont think most players are

play for fun

[tiny fulcrum]

Like to contrast "armour counters Goregrinders" they can also fly up to an unarmoured unit and do 4 damage deterministically with a little bit of setup

[thick sphinx]

Even then, who knows what optimal looks like yet. There've been, what, maybe two dozen games posted here at most?

[tiny fulcrum]

Also true

[thick sphinx]

Way too early yet to separate mechanical issues from misplays

[crisp night]

designing a faction logo is harder than i thought it'd be

graphic design is NOT my passion. fuck this

[stray gate]

graphic design is pain yeah

do you have a color scheme picked out and stuff tho?

[pale adder]

as minnesota rats, i think it should have a cap

[crisp night]

yeah

it's just making it look decent

though i have someone else helping me for art so i might ask them to make a prettier version of the logo if they'd be able to

considering that this will almost certainly look like ass

[stray gate]

thats nice ^^

I'm curious to see how your faction turns out, it seems interesting from the snippets you've shared

[crisp night]

thanks! i'll be able to get the mechanics done tonight and then it'll just be a matter of waiting for the art to be done + making a pdf that looks nice

[stray gate]

yus

[crisp night]

i'll also open the actual faction document up to people with commenting turned on so people can leave balancing suggestions

because god knows i am not good at balancing my own shit

[stray gate]

lol very fair

I've spent much too long myself working on homebrew projects, I understand the pain

[crisp night]

i still have a lancer homebrew that's all but finished i just haven't bothered to learn how to convert shit to lcp + the artist i commissioned hurt their wrist so they haven't been able to draw for a while

i like homebrewing

it's fun and therapeutic for me

[stray gate]

it is!

also oof thats rough, hope they recover soon

[glacial junco]

This is a super cute board I like it a lot

[supple kiln]

Thanks Ive ran 5 games in a row in this here pit !

Learning the game this way is just really neat , every house has a character

A Banshee can two shot an Egis Weapon and it’s insane

[crisp night]

yeah banshees are hilarious

if you can get all of their conditions right they just obliterate shit

[supple kiln]

Dead Souls in a literal haunted house map would be extremely lopsided fight

[cinder isle]

banshees look like they kinda dumpster carcass

[crisp night]

any map that has walls on it by default is hilarious with dead souls

free bound devil food

[supple kiln]

“They’re walls not Sick Ramps”

BoundDevil: lul hold my contract

[nova mason]

deadsouls be like

https://tenor.com/view/talking-brick-wall-gif-13653634

[crisp night]

the chosen telling the antipriest on the other side of the wall how Kidnap works

[supple kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/unintelligible-gif-8623310

The antipriest justifying their morality until round 4

[crisp night]

this will be the third time i've posted this image but i'm still proud of it

if it would send

cmon discord

[supple kiln]

It’s the Starmetal swords you make along the way

[cinder isle]

it is deeply tragic that the antipriests have sword arts and a sword in their art

but no sword act

[supple kiln]

The StarmetalSword is in your heart

[pale echo]

like in Utena

[supple kiln]

Rip

[cinder isle]

smash the world's shell

[crisp night]

i am torn between two directions

on one hand; i want to adhere to the metal theming of my faction's soundtrack and keep the 3 current metal songs i have which all fit their theme quite well

on the other; what if i put hacker by death grips in their soundtrack

[timber onyx]

Im in your area

[crisp night]

i know the first three numbers

[keen ravine]

what's more punk than not having a non-metal song on the tracklist

[languid lotus]

you'll catch a jpeg to the head

(context for outside observers: lyric from the song)

[crisp night]

yeah fuck it i'll put hacker. there's one song on their tracklist that doesn't really fit them anyway

and if carcass can have breakcore

then neuromongers can have a little bit of whatever the fuck death grips is

[languid lotus]

i just call death grips experimental hip-hop

[crisp night]

that's probably the most apt label yeah

[solid vapor]

industrial punk hip hop

[languid lotus]

currently have a goregrinder comp consisting of a carnifex, two painwheels, and four warheads. should i adjust it? don't really know how to build in maleghast

[solid vapor]

my actual feedback thus far is that gargamox hazardous terrain builds are really fucking strong rn

[crisp night]

good because that's what i want to build for

must turn arena into fromsoft poison swamp

[solid vapor]

the rats and fire are all hazardous terrain rn

and its kinda

uh

a lot

[languid lotus]

my gut tells me to replace two of the warheads with a pain ghoul, is that about right?

[patent steeple]

rat time

[supple kiln]

Minnesota R4ts

[pale adder]

hazardous terrain seems more oppressive than anything else

[solid vapor]

yeah

its just rough

[crisp night]

what was the mox team comp

i see a host

[solid vapor]

@pale adder

[pale adder]

Four scum, one leech, one plague host, and necromancer with corruptor, corpse explosion, and praise the filth

[crisp night]

wew

scary as shit

[rocky stump]

does anyone have the hex code for the dead souls blue?

[solid vapor]

i dont have any solid ideas for tackling it but i think in both games i played against this comp the hazardous terrain was brutal and locked down everything

[crisp night]

this seems a little too fucked up even for a 6 soul

[junior elbow]

25ffe3

[crisp night]

igorri, igorring, igone

[umbral cipher]

operator and dark priest band together to defeat one incredibly scary doctor

had to devil bullet straight to grave me

[solid vapor]

igorii ❤️

[umbral cipher]

or i would have just murked them both

[keen ravine]

Yeah I was spectating that game and it had gotten to the point that even the mox's ally had to carefully consider where to talk

[solid vapor]

literally looks like my fuckin character

[crisp night]

grape soda faction

[keen ravine]

the issue is how to make hazard tokens not oppressive but still impactful

[solid vapor]

i think really the main problem is just the rate at which the team can spit them out

it covers most of the map by round 2

[keen ravine]

Yea

[umbral cipher]

also hey mutagen injector is terrifying

[solid vapor]

it is

[umbral cipher]

like what the fuck

[solid vapor]

demolished a berserker with it

its so good

[umbral cipher]

i murked an egis in one shot

[solid vapor]

also riding the edge of death with vitality + mutation is great

[crisp night]

igorri is so cool

i'm gonna get my ass beat by them tomorrow i think

[junior elbow]

Igorri is the only one I've put off really learning

[crisp night]

i think my friend is going full scorched earth tactics he is not bringing thralls

[junior elbow]

I have the gist of all the other factions, while getting into the grooves of CARCASS

[crisp night]

two strigoi two lycans and a tyrant

i dont know how that'll go for him but

it'll sure be fucking interesting

homonculus scares me

[thick sphinx]

Am i wrong in thinking that you can only consume one corpse for it?

Or, rather, no matter how many corpses you consume you only get the extra 1 damage

[umbral cipher]

no because the effect repeats

for every corpse eaten

[thick sphinx]

Does it? It doesn't say "per corpse consumed" like a lot of the other spare parts effects

[harsh gorge]

had a lovely time

[thick sphinx]

E.G. Chaos Beam

[junior elbow]

reading... thinking.... can Regurgitate create 21 corpses if you have 7 units around the splash target?

[harsh gorge]

carcass & deadsouls vs igorri & goregrinders

[thick sphinx]

I think it's max 3 corpses, but I see how you'd read it the other way

Since the alternative would be absolutely nuts

[umbral cipher]

Regurg is maxed at 3 yeah

[crisp night]

regurg...

i like that shortening a lot

regurg is a good name for a homonculus

[junior elbow]

Ohh that makes more sense

[umbral cipher]

oh, you're right, it's repeat effect once! i misread

[patent steeple]

House: Goregrinder
Malice: Hatred (7) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
10x Warhead (Bladed)

[Necromancer]
Warlord
Bonus Trait: Nerve Twitch

[ACT Upgrades]
Quench | Sawtooth Slayer Axe | Spine Devil Blade | Pilebunker

[SOUL Upgrades]
Blood Boil | Overclock | Gorebather | Killing Spree

kinda meme goregrinder list

[junior elbow]

Somehow I feel like Carcass and Deadsouls are best friends

They have opposite mechanics that fuck with each other

[umbral cipher]

But yes Igorri is so funny

shoutout to sample genome

and to World's Beefiest Dog

[crisp night]

is lycan good

it's such a fun looking unit

my pet dog bill

[umbral cipher]

I'd call it pretty solid!

It needs a chunk of setup; blood gorger is a great way to make it very quickly scary

[lethal trench]

Lycan is critical to Igorri IMO

[umbral cipher]

but you need bodies

But once it's going it is very suddenly spooky as hell

[lethal trench]

it and Homonculus are really your units that actually kill shit

[crisp night]

i just realized that a lot of the neuromonger abilities are like hard counters to igorri

Oops

i didnt think about that at all until now

and mox

[junior elbow]

Neuromonger?

[crisp night]

my homebrew

[umbral cipher]

Tbh Igorri could use counters haha

[junior elbow]

Ah

[crisp night]

they fuck with token allocation

and since igorri's whole thing is like

tokens

[umbral cipher]

Oh, right, that

that could sting sure

[crisp night]

MOST of it is centered around their own tokens

and not enemy tokens

but there are some things

[junior elbow]

I mean Gargamox and Deadsouls also care very much about token allocation

[umbral cipher]

worth thinking about that tag that stops units from gaining tokens and how often you want to deal it out

[crisp night]

that's a tag?

[umbral cipher]

whatever you were doing with that

[crisp night]

oh

yeah i forgot i had it as a tag originally

that's an act on the freak now

[umbral cipher]

I'd say that's relatively fine tbh!

[crisp night]

the freak is definitely a little overtuned

and i may just give it really bad stats to compensate

just give this a gander

[umbral cipher]

one unit in a roster being able to shut down igorri shit on one unit on a turn is a nasty wrench but it doesn't disallow their gameplan

[crisp night]

for upload, virus is a neuromonger tag where they can transfer a negative token on themself to an enemy unit, which is why upload is worded like that

[umbral cipher]

Oh, i'd compare CTRL+X to Chop Doc or Strigoi's stuff

because that's very strong

[crisp night]

yeah i know purge requires high rolls to manipulate more than one token but the downside to ctrl x is that it does not let you pick, but i may change that

[umbral cipher]

Crash is fine imo

[crisp night]

the braniac is the unit i am the most sure i will need to rework

brainiac*

here's why ctrl+x may need a rework; uplink, the faction trait, lets you distribute tokens on one unit to any other units with the uplink tag.

[umbral cipher]

Upload is neat but isn't great on its own merit with reworking CTRL

[crisp night]

so for example, let's say

hm

let's say there's an enemy unit with two strength and one slow and you ctrl x. at the end of the brainiac's turn it can then move the two strength to another uplink unit and either keep the slow on itself or offload that to someone else as well

or it can move one strength to one unit and one to another

[ocean bloom]

Hey so the Leech "evolve strain", it clears all plague tokens, does it only do one damage no matter how many plague tokens were on that person? I know it slows per token and gives strength per token but I wanted to check

[crisp night]

just one toxic flat yeah

not affected by plague

[junior elbow]

Also here's the build I've been rocking while I get to grips, <@&1169764878454620231> if anyone wants to play a match

House: C.A.R.C.A.S.S.
Malice: Spite (0) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
4x Gunwright
1x Enforcer
2x Barrelform

[Necromancer]
Operator <2Pick>
Bonus Trait: Bone Wall

[ACT Upgrades]
Unholy Sixgun

[SOUL Upgrades]
Frag Bullet```

[crisp night]

i'm not gonna worry about rebalancing right now though. once i finish the soul abilities tonight then i will

tomorrow i'll post the doc with commenting turned on so people can go through and tell me what's too good and what's too bad

i say tomorrow just because more people will be awake then

[ocean bloom]

Question, for allies to gain strength do the plague tokens need to be on them when they're stripped away?

[crisp night]

yeah, i think the idea is that if you're targeting an ally with evolve strain then you're taking their plague to give them strength

unless thats not what you're asking

[junior elbow]

It sounds like you're asking about timing

[cerulean crag]

but what Loose Item are you rocking

[ocean bloom]

Ahhh I thought it was different, but it would make sense.

[rancid girder]

I'm not sold on the sixgun without devil bullet tbh

[ocean bloom]

That could mean your necromancer is going around super buff at some point because the leech just turns a pile of plague into strength

[rancid girder]

you need as much to make that reliable as possible

[junior elbow]

Gyoza (cold, foil wrapped)

[primal nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1052476997571457095/1170603108330651728/MaleghastMyca.png?ex=6559a419&is=65472f19&hm=ccbf3273936e36efddf1db44122e69ff86c137e863c60f435470846d03058512&

[umbral cipher]

I could play a game!

[rancid girder]

I.....could play a game

also did DST trip or something?

[primal nest]

the necro is forming

[rancid girder]

do we want to see if we can get a fourth?

[junior elbow]

Sure!

[junior elbow]

I mostly just like it

[pale echo]

hey why is the necro so cute. that's not allowed

[crisp night]

is that bag full of rats

[bleak folio]

i can join up

[crisp night]

wait how is it still 1 am

[junior elbow]

Devil Bullet slows down the sixgun to make it more reliable

[rancid girder]

the sixgun's reload anyway

[primal nest]

Give it a minute

[ocean bloom]

they do be cute tho

[rancid girder]

VTT/TTS/?

[bleak folio]

finally get to run my 10x scum gargmox black mass

[primal nest]

Also shrooms. Not rats

[crisp night]

EVEN BETTER

i love mushrooms

favorite type of organism and favorite food

[umbral cipher]

oh i love them

[junior elbow]

The main idea is to sit on one side of the map body blocking

Though I'll tune as necessary

I've mostly been teaching my friends

[rancid girder]

@junior elbow @bleak folio do you have a preferred VTT?

also hop into voice

[junior elbow]

I have most things set up on r20

[rancid girder]

works for me

[granite flare]

Question about one of the Slime's Acts, Surge-can it pass of its plague tokens to allies it passes through, or only foes that suffer the toxic damage?

[primal nest]

Yes

For the former iirc

[violet jolt]

lol I just set up almost exactly the same list, except I have 4x Gunwight, Ammo Goblin, 1x Barrelform, and the EGIS Weapon. But identical Operator picks

[robust python]

does 'explode' mean anything in game terms? Trying to figure out if my Stitches take damage when they Unstable Mutate

[pale echo]

They do not

[rancid girder]

they do not

it should probably be splash

[languid lotus]

it does note splash

[robust python]

Thanks! That's what I was hoping

introduced this game to my kill team group to play and it's taking off

[umbral cipher]

Hell yeah

[violet jolt]

are folks finding that all-in specialization or a bit of flexibility works better? (it might depend on faction). Like I'm looking at Abhorrers and debating between 2x Penitents, 1 Zealot, 1 Antipriest, 1 Inquisitor, or dropping the Zealot and focusing the squad more on ranged damage

[latent plinth]

just picked up maleghast, super excited to start playing

[crisp night]

it makes me happy to see new people pop in

this game is so good

[robust python]

in the game I played tonight as Igorri, I specialized on Horrors and found that it paid off for me

I honestly might drop the homonculus and just bring a third Lycan (if I can, need to check)

[crisp night]

you cannot sadly

lycans are horror units and you can only have two of em

[robust python]

I cannot, darn, but two is all I need. Gave em names and everything.

[crisp night]

you can have as many thralls as you want, three scions (which igorri doesn't have), one tyrant, and two of everything else

[violet jolt]

unlimited thralls, 3x scions, 2x everything else, 1x tyrant, 1x necromancer

[thick sphinx]

Fasscinating. I was honestly planning on not even bringing a Lycan

[robust python]

one of my Lycans took out two Gun Wights early and kept attention off my Strigoi, and I had my Chirurgeon feeding the other one doggie treats in the back until my Homonculus destroyed a wall and the Super-Lycan was able to blitz up the board and kill a Barrelform and Operator

[violet jolt]

oh wow

[robust python]

they r good dogs

[tiny fulcrum]

With Strigoi getting doinked on the head with a damage nerf Lycans are your big alpha strikers

[crisp night]

did sin eater used to hurt more?

was it 2

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah

[robust python]

yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

Tuned to 1 in 1.1

[crisp night]

ahhh

[robust python]

I might drop my Strigoi for a Chopdoc with this in mind, just for the easy turn 1 Mutate

bc not proccing Polyglot every round makes me sad

[thick sphinx]

I was planning to focus all my support into a big Homunculus death star. Did you only take the one Stitch then?

[robust python]

My list was a Chirurgeon, two Stitches, two lycans, one Strigoi, and the Homonculus.

[thick sphinx]

Ah, six unit game then

[raw coral]

for anyone who uses owlbearrodeo, which health tracker and token tracker have ya'll been using?

[robust python]

Stitches are Thralls, so you can have two per slot

[thick sphinx]

Ahhhhh, comprehension

I thought you'd taken 2x2 stitches

[violet jolt]

the most challenging part of any game

[tiny fulcrum]

At the absolute minimum effect of a Bloodgorger use, Lycans can guarantee 4 damage on an unarmoured target on hit

[robust python]

Malice level, so my chosen Necromancer upgrades were Grow Additional Limbs (useless), Flesh Jump (wonderful), and Chaos Beam (hilarious)

[violet jolt]

brutal

[robust python]

that's how I killed the Barrelform yeag

Lycan does big slappie

[thick sphinx]

Youch.

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah, that's not even considering Spare Parts procs

[thick sphinx]

I'd hate to lose the strigoi's corpse generation though

Was planning on starting the game off by having the strigoi vomit out three corpses and the Homunculus eating them all

[crisp night]

i think the big secret is that anything can work

well ok maybe not anything

but

most things

[violet jolt]

10x gunwights let's gooo

[crisp night]

there are options

[crisp night]

honestly might not even be a terrible idea

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah I think the important things of any list are, basically

[thick sphinx]

Hm. Maybe I actually want to cut the stitches...

[tiny fulcrum]

A) establish your lines of play

B) know your weaknesses and how to deal with them

If you have those in mind while you're making a list you're already 3 steps ahead of everyone else

Then you can refine any specifics after you get some games in

[crisp night]

thralls are so funny the more i think about them

just some silly guys

[violet jolt]

most of them don't even really have that bad stats, as far as I can tell

[crisp night]

they're all definitely usable

just in different ways

[violet jolt]

for sure

[cinder isle]

I don't think any of them have bad stats tbh

[violet jolt]

some are like bread and butter damage units and some are a bit more specialized

[cinder isle]

they mostly have like

one bad stat

(hp)

and then a bunch of stacked shit

[patent steeple]

full thrall lists can sometimes have the issue of having more SOUL than you know to do with

i think

[violet jolt]

interesting

so they'd go well with more expensive SOUL options?

[patent steeple]

i havent tried it out myself

[vague elbow]

damn I didnt even think of that

[patent steeple]

my friend ran 4x2 scum in our first game

got SOUL flooded

[crisp night]

scum gaming

[weak igloo]

running shittons of scum, mox populi and refreshing your scum is actually pretty good now

[patent steeple]

meanwhile me (a sicko) had constant 1-3 soul

[vague elbow]

that would make it better at higher malace, so you can take more soul actions to pop off more often

[robust python]

Oddly enough I never used this, was playing without the patch the the opportunity cost of not doing the 2 damage Sin Eater was too high

[patent steeple]

we ran at 4 DP

so maybe its better with more DP

i wanna run 5x2 warheads

[thick sphinx]

Makes sense, I suppose

[vague elbow]

same

[patent steeple]

at 7 DP

[crisp night]

if i play goregrinders i'm going to do a full warhead team

i just realized

[patent steeple]

yeah

[crisp night]

can you just use glory kill on one of your own units

[patent steeple]

goregrinders is kinda low on my "wanna play" list tho

[crisp night]

grab a 0 hp warhead and splatter it to get buffs

[patent steeple]

igorri and mox are big up there

for me

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah, thats really situational

though

[crisp night]

it's situational

BUT

it's funny

[tiny fulcrum]

since glory kill obliterates

[robust python]

Igorri is fun as hell, join me

Mutation Moments win games

[tiny fulcrum]

i can def see situations where its good

[crisp night]

warlord should be able to hit an ewgf

actually

that's just what pilebunker is

[patent steeple]

ill be running it tomorrow

very excited

[crisp night]

the one faction i dont want to play is abhorrers

anymore

i wanted to initially but i realize i do not like their lack of thrall at ALL

i know they have ways to compensate for it

but i just like having funny little guys

[bleak folio]

this is gonn be extremely funni

[patent steeple]

i love abhorrers

[robust python]

I think it's funny to make the Exorcist go sicko mode in round 4

[crisp night]

stance is really cool

i love their aesthetic a lot

[robust python]

I also just like announcing SUPREME SWORD ART: MERCIFUL SNOWDROP CUT

[crisp night]

it takes the exorcist 4 rounds to become motivated

[lethal trench]

Hope you're taking Mox Populi as well 😛

[bleak folio]

i quite literally did lol

packin corpse explosion n mox populi

[robust python]

Free corpses? 👀

[lethal trench]

Though I'm personally not that big on the Scum myself

[crisp night]

i'm so close to being fucking done with the homebrew

i just cannot think of a soul 4 ability

[lethal trench]

Host and Rotten are the primary Mox units I'm interested in

[crisp night]

i thought :D

i am done with the creation stage and in about 8-10 hours i'll post the full neuromonger doc here with open comment access so people can give balancing advice and such

because there's gotta be stuff in here i didn't do good

but that's a problem for the me of several hours from now

[brazen pine]

the Gargamox Rotten's "Pustulate" says you "create a hazard in a free space...", what defines a free space? And is it intentionally different from the Holy Body's hazard ability that doesn't say anything about a "free space"?

[bleak folio]

i presume a space without units on it

[lethal trench]

Stuff always needs to be created in a space without units unless it specifically says it creates it under the unit

[brazen pine]

is that stated somewhere in the book?

[lethal trench]

It's in the targeting rules somewhere yeah

Creating effects or something

[tiny fulcrum]

Page 18

Remember

Omission is not permission

Golden rule of assumption

[brazen pine]

thank you!

[rancid girder]

in a two player game does furious roar also work for the other player?

because if it does that is wildly good

[tiny fulcrum]

I'd assume no for now

Seems goofy

[lethal trench]

I'm not sure

I would generally assume your teammates units are allied to you, but yeah it's not very clear

[bronze jetty]

seems pretty intuitive that teammates would be allies

[brazen pine]

I feel like its reasonable to say that, by definition, a teammate is an ally

[charred glacier]

Does the +1 Range based on what direction you are shooting in, or is it just a generalized bonus while near your zoms?

[crisp night]

i just noticed the igorri necromancer has lollipops in their coat pocket

[charred glacier]

They are so good and classy

[crisp night]

grape flavor

[charred glacier]

science flavor

[rancid girder]

generalized

[tiny fulcrum]

Seems generalized to me, since it doesnt say "cover relative to your target"

[latent plinth]

is the way im supposed to be reading soul harvest is that you get +1 soul for ever unit of yours that dies but only the first time each unit dies?

[patent steeple]

yes

[latent plinth]

thank you

[charred glacier]

A lot of Abhorror units just keep on truckin'

https://tenor.com/view/alexander-anderson-father-anderson-anderson-menacing-pose-hellsing-anderson-gif-4850692176247834119

[latent plinth]

my first black mass i'm making is "11 dead men" and it's just an operator and ten gunwights

[charred glacier]

All hail the firing squad

[latent plinth]

mhm

[charred glacier]

What options are you picking on your Operator?

[latent plinth]

clutch reload, lv4 and STG

[charred glacier]

oh hell yes

[weak igloo]

ah wait sorry for the ping, looks like somebody got that already

[latent plinth]

what does this mean, specifically the 5+ here

[tiny fulcrum]

You roll the effect die along with the action

If you roll 5 or 6 you get two strength instead of 1

[latent plinth]

ohhh i see

thank you

[primal nest]

Even faceless, the mushroom witch still gets some love

[violet jolt]

Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask, if it's an attack with an effect, do I roll a separate effect die, or just use the result of the attack die to determine the effect

[patent steeple]

seperate

[latent plinth]

i believe its seperate

[violet jolt]

ty

[rancid girder]

for a living cannon build, I'm weighing up what a goblin actually gets you vs taking devil bullet

you can go devil bullet reload to shoot every other round so the goblin theoretically could bring you up to every round

but also is that even desirable

[tiny fulcrum]

Ya gotta factor the Strength token(s) into the equation here as well

[rancid girder]

yeah

you get one strength token and best case scenario twice as many less reliable shots

[tiny fulcrum]

and imo yeah it's worth

[rancid girder]

ok now that I say it out loud yeah twice as many shots is worth it

[tiny fulcrum]

devil bullet/formation 3D is better into cover but it's like Lancer accuracy where otherwise you have diminishing returns

[rancid girder]

yeah that's true it asymptotically approaches 6

[tiny fulcrum]

And when 2D is baseline +50% chance to hit thats still really quite reliable

[rancid girder]

I was thinking more the guaranteed headshot vulnerable but yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

That's probably the tipping point more than anything

[rancid girder]

plus twice as many shots gets you more flexibility, less exploitable downtime, etc

probably messes with your opponents more too

[tiny fulcrum]

but overall I think spamming out the cannon when possible is a solid strat

[rancid girder]

well, that'll be fun if I can scrounge up a game tomorrow

but I am beat

it is 4 AM and my eyes look like cherries

gn

[tiny fulcrum]

sleep well!

[real bane]

The background color and something about this' aesthetic has me considering if a BABA IS YOU tileset would work

[languid lotus]

GUNWIGHT IS SHOOT

[rancid girder]

Do you think anyone in this setting is physically capable of changing clothes

CARCASS guys have their bone carapace stuff, goregrinders don't appear to have adam jensen sleeves or the inclination to care, mox are like fifty percent zombies

igorri ig?

[tiny fulcrum]

i mean im sure almost all the necromancers can

[rancid girder]

Ok maybe not physically capable but like, "bathe regularly"

[tiny fulcrum]

lmao

[languid lotus]

we see penny dreadful (example character and carcass iconic) both in- and out-of-gear for one

[rancid girder]

Do we?

[languid lotus]

yeah

both full carcass battle armor and casual clothing. fairly sure word of tom is they're the same person

[rich scarab]

Penny Dreadfuls the CARCASS example necro and the front page girl right?

[rancid girder]

Wait are those the same character?

[languid lotus]

iirc ye

[serene sundial]

word of tom (7:69, 420) "they're the same person"

[languid lotus]

that or i hallucinated or misrembered or somin

[rancid girder]

Oh shit same tats

Yeah they're probably the same

[languid lotus]

#1164643959721693184 message get citationed

plus i figure John Goregrinder could unplug the chainsaw arm for outside battle, for example. necromancy (jazz hands)

[serene sundial]

The chainsaw arm is interchangible for a variety of different implements.

[languid lotus]

such as regular arm and spatula (for grillin')

[serene sundial]

John Goregrillin'

[languid lotus]

in terms of the various necromancers' abilities to change clothes:

• operator: easy, it's tactical armor
• warlord: medium, may need to remove too-large components to fit sleeves and such
• plaguelord: medium-hard, solid 50% chance the clothing is structurally significant but they'll probably be fine while amorphous
• dark priest: the clothes can be changed but the makeup is a vital part of the integumentary system
• exorcist: easy, it's some church wacko in the usual gear. some of those robes are real flowy though, might be harder
• chirurgeon: hard, coordinating that many arms has to be a pain

[rancid girder]

Also before I fall asleep, idea for thorn forest: make the thorns destructible like walls

that way CARCASS isn't totally gimped and can shell open fire lanes and such

[cinder isle]

don't carcass ops grow their tactical armor as like

bone plating that they have to specifically trim away with magic?

seems like that'd be pretty hard to change out on a whim

[junior elbow]

Weirdly enough I was thinking that the stacking terrain reminded me of Baba is You

[junior elbow]

I thought they had a contract with the bone devil to use the bone devil's bones which they then use for armor and guns

Oh rereading it the bones definitely grow off of their bodies

Though they probably groom themselves regularly, in their own bone way, since they need to stay mobile and mostly un-fused

[opal pendant]

Are there any good VODs of MALEGHAST?

[torn portal]

Not sure if anyone here will be able to help me, but I was trying to configure my foundry for maleghast following @tame pasture steps (as best as I could) and I steped into a problem. I was trying to find a way to have several instances of a certain tokens, so I add a custom attribute for each token so you can fill all the info. Seems a little rough to use, but better than having an excel to keep tack to it like I used to do it. So anyways is there a better way to do that?

If not, my idea was to try and bind those attributes to tokens, so when you have more than 1 of one token attribute, the corresponding icon should show. But the trigger system of CUB does not detect the attributes as they are custom. Is there a way to add the attributes so they can be read by the CYB trigger system?

[opaque socket]

Alright folks

We're gonna make a Maleghast homebrew channel

well, forum post

mostly to keep this channel on topic and avoid confusion and whatnot

[tame pasture]

unsure what the issue you're describing here is

[torn portal]

how do you keep track of tokens if you got more than 1 of a certain token

for example strenght 2

that was my first problem which later bacame the second

[tame pasture]

turn off token attribute link in their settings

[opaque socket]

For all of your Maleghast homebrewing needs, go to #1170699117454962848 !

[opaque socket]

Making this a pin

[tame pasture]

link actor dator should be off

so that if you put down multiple of the same token they dont share their stats/conditions

[opaque socket]

would appreciate it if folks pointed to it when you see people talking homebrew here when you see it !

[tame pasture]

ohh wait

im misunderstanding the question

the module 'status icon counters' works for multiple tokens

[torn portal]

ooooo

[tame pasture]

you can just click again on them to stack them

[torn portal]

okey I skiped that part xD

my bad

okey got it working, but how do I remove from a token then?

[tame pasture]

right click

[torn portal]

thanks!

I found that if you right click it with its already 0 the token is highlighted and cannot be interacted until you right click again. That can be fixed or I just avioud righclicking too much?

[tame pasture]

unsure what that issue is

worth avoiding it

[torn portal]

👍

[night hedge]

yeah that’s rad

[tawny wing]

For Carniphagous Blade, does each instance of Infect grant 1 plague to foes and 1 strength to an ally? Or can infection hop to enemies and allies doing one effect or the other each time?

[rugged cloud]

Second one

[charred glacier]

Alright, trying to figure out a visual design for another Carcass Necro, this one with:
+Gun Kata
+Unholy Sixgun
+Bullet Hustle
+Double Tap

Thinking of trying a posse of one supporting Ammo Goblin, two Barrel Forms in the backline, and a pair Enforcers to shield up in front of him or the barrel forms, and a pair of Gunwights to help generate Soul

[tired bolt]

that’s 1 unit too many isn’t it

[pine crescent]

This is fixed! https://github.com/delzhand/isocon/releases/tag/v0.5.8

[tame pasture]

1 too many ye

[bronze jetty]

is it not 2 too many since your necro counts?

[tame pasture]

nah

necro doesn't count

5 points + necro

or 4 points + necro for 2v2

[night hedge]

10x Warheads, devil impact twice, easy game

[charred glacier]

Oop, thanks all, silly me. Tbh, I would prolly drop the Gunwights, so we keep our mobile cover for the Necro+ammogoblin

[charred glacier]

Oh, but what do y'all think of the (very sketchy first draft) visual design? Is the power-armor-cowskull jaw too off the aesthetic or does it work for a one-off main character thembo?

In a final design I bet I could also include more skeletal bitz in the outfit?

[candid monolith]

I like it, this feels like a setting where your designs are supposed to go as hard as possible anyway

Like if it feels cool dive all the way in go fkn nuts

[latent sun]

how many days has this forum existed

[tacit cedar]

a couple weeks

or so

[latent sun]

just asking since

that's a lot

[bleak folio]

bone game good

[rich scarab]

when everything is new, everything is commentable

[candid monolith]

Very fun game

[rich scarab]

Every comment can lead to another comment

Cascade

[candid monolith]

Also we discuss rules, games, world, cooking game dlc, character designs, funny gargamox moment

All in one for the most part

I am also realizing just now that my mans has no actual arms of his own original body just a robot hand and a chainsaw

He needs help tying his shoes 😔

[charred glacier]

Here's a simple map I whipped together out of 4e terrain tile scans. A peaceable dunner breaks out into a brawl. The Table, bookshelf, and cuppbard are elevation, while the cauldron and furnace are both Hazards.

Speaking of cooking game :p

[candid monolith]

I dig it

I might adjust one of the bookshelves but only because I'm a symmetry person

[charred glacier]

Truetrue

What I really need is like.. a prep or cook table over there, to reinforce the grand-feast vibes

[small locust]

Does bring to mind a question I had about Anzenmezzeron, i can roughly picture where they get the meat for their meat dumpling’s, but where do they get the wheat

Unless its like…skin…or fungus somehow

[real bane]

Resurrect last harvest's wheat from the dead

[small locust]

But like…where do they grow it

Unless its imported i guess

[candid monolith]

I imagine the import market is big

[robust python]

Anyone have an opinion on what the BIS upgrade for Lycans is? Hunch has a lot of survivability synergy with other units but The Hunter seems delightful as well. Not sure why I'd ever use Autophagia on one of my precious doggies.

[robust python]

Looks awesome!

[small locust]

Yeah I imgaine the necromancers strip the city for parts like vultures do for a carcass, and anything it can't provide they buy from outside

[tired bolt]

i don't think there's a BiS in this game tbh

[bleak folio]

BiS?

[small locust]

Id also like to imagine the Igorri have their 'off limits' dudes cuz if they die they cant leave Anzemezzeron and get the neat stuff

[robust python]

best-in-slot

differnet way of saying "whats the meta"

if there's no BiS that's a big relief to me, I am ultra-poisoned from playing warhammer too long

[small locust]

So the game is still really early for anyone to have come up with one IMO, and John lancer is pretty good at balancing things to be even

[robust python]

ah okie, I wasn't sure if there was a playtest period or something. my Dark Heresy GM linked it to me and said "this looks like the kind of weirdo thing you're into" and I was off making lists immediately lol

[bleak folio]

the only meta thing ive learned is that all-scum black mass is a bad call against carcass

[candid monolith]

I will simply play by vibe and die until it works

[tired bolt]

get akimbod

[robust python]

Gun Wights do be shooting

[robust python]

mfw last night when my opponent Akimbo killed all my Stitches at once and then Reload Slide away

[small locust]

Clearly you didnt use enough scum! Or Scream and shit enough

The math is there, we just need to harness the unlimited power of these fucking wretched scum

[robust python]

oh also based DunMesh icon

Izutsumi ❤️

[candid monolith]

I will charge my berserker into the enemy line and then down you in warheads and painwheels, pray they finish you before my Warlord gets there

[robust python]

Um. Mutates you cutely.

[candid monolith]

Amazing

[bleak folio]

honestly an all-scum mass is a matter of setup
like theyre rly good for surrounding enemies, so it coulda worked if the scum left hazards instead of corpses

[small locust]

Thats why you get corpse explosion for your necromancer

And turn corpses into hazards

[bleak folio]

i mean i did lol, but its hard to use that every time

[small locust]

Hmm

[tired bolt]

there's an upgrade for that

[bleak folio]

yea exactly

i was playin on 0 malice tho so no upgrades

[tired bolt]

[candid monolith]

Fully upgraded thrallswarms do sound great

[small locust]

Did you pat your scum and tell them they were good gross boys before holding them up like meatshields and tanking a billion bulelts for you?

[bleak folio]

i wanna run all-thralls for all the houses

[robust python]

I think all Gun Wights could be a great list. All Stitches won't do much, they are basically just free corpses you put in your unit slot lol

I was planning a list that was an Operator, eight Gun Wights, and a Bound Devil

pull people right into the gunline

[candid monolith]

Warheads going "all rook chess" could be good but I think it's very "Rely on your Warlord" strat once you get into the mix

[tired bolt]

you choose only one upgrade per unit atype

[bleak folio]

oh yea the other players agreed gunwights were p good besides how slow they were

[candid monolith]

Still

[latent sun]

Gunwights are just really good burst damage.

[bleak folio]

i mean all-thrall masses always rely on necros for big damage

[robust python]

now I can't stop imagining the Warheads beautifully ice-skating across the map in perfectly straight lines

[candid monolith]

Wonderful

[bleak folio]

warheads would last longer tho

[robust python]

esp bc they're GA2

that's so good

[bleak folio]

thats all thralls lol

(assuming u mean group activation twice)

[robust python]

imo Gun Wights are probably the best Thrall, GA2 doesn't do much for Igorri

yeag my last skirmish game was Kill Team

[bleak folio]

yea p much

killteam mention ❗❗❗

[latent sun]

The big thing with Stitches is that they get to snowball a bit.

[bleak folio]

isa fun game, even when i lose all the time

[robust python]

Kroot player checking in

can't not play the team that gets Meat Tokens

anyway

[hexed horizon]

m e a t

[bleak folio]

schmeat

[latent sun]

They just get a Lot of positive tokens, which means they can get fast and get strong faster than one may expect, if allowed to
y'know, get in range.

[robust python]

Sadly mine got gunned down in the middle of the board, but the pile of dead bodies they left made my Homonculus grow big and strong (:

[tired bolt]

stitches are definitely like the most durable thralls once they get rolling

[robust python]

every day I feed my Homonculus delicious vegetables (corpses) so he will get powerful and smash walls for me

[latent sun]

Oh yeah, the big use for Stitches is as Fuel™️ for sure

[robust python]

this game fills me with the glee of a madwoman

[bleak folio]

recently just hit me how like distinct the undead are in maleghast

carcass is "we do bones", abhorrers are the most human-lookin of the bunch, gargamox is gooped to the nines

[hexed horizon]

do you think the Leech and Host argue?

[bleak folio]

oh definitely

they fight abt rats

[hexed horizon]

Yes!

if I was a host, I would be v mad about leech's tassles made of dead rat ;<

[supple kiln]

It’s very viable. I tried it against Abhorrers

[candid monolith]

For some reason I imagine leech and host being the same unit but in different modes

Like every leech is a host and vice versa you just got them on that particular rotation

[night hedge]

meanwhile rotten and scum are vibing together

[charred glacier]

Ok, I know it is comitting the sins of an asymetricalality, but what about a brawl in the town square? Carts are +1 elevation, Ox is difficult terrain, and the fountain in the center is both elevated and difficult

[hexed horizon]

I imagine it's like that pocketss comic about the kobold moss collectors, "they're having the argument about the rats again"

[night hedge]

INTERDICT
House: CARCASS
Malice: Spite
Dark Power: 0
Slots: 4

8x Gunwight

Operator: Lt. Ocus
Bone Wall
Devil Bullet
S.T.G```
made this list for 4 player games, goal is to just nuke enemy necromancers

very straightforwards

[umbral cipher]

So an important thing about gunning straight for the necromancer; you do have to chew through most of their roster first

Because of Bodyblocking

[night hedge]

yep

tis what the other allied necromancer is for, to get the other units away from the necro

[umbral cipher]

lmao

[night hedge]

tbf might swap 1 slot of gunwights for a barrelform

for deathmark

gonna be playing in about half an hour so hyped

[real bane]

thinking about

3x Enforcer
2x Gunwight
1x Barrelform```, then just pair one enforcer with one of the others, and hold that formation

[umbral cipher]

My own carcass list is 4 Gunwights, 2 goblins, 1 enforcer (dropping 1 goblin in big games)

[night hedge]

carcass is great

enforcer is super solid damge too

just, flat 2 damage melee attack

[umbral cipher]

The ideal gameplan is to split them up into two 'squads'; two wights, Goblin, then enforcer or the necro

[night hedge]

might make an egis weapon list too for 4 player games

[tired bolt]

crack skull goes hard especially when there's some hzards to grate someone through

[dull torrent]

some progress on the silly igorri fella

[umbral cipher]

Hell yeah

[night hedge]

oooo

[dull torrent]

the canister on the back is to inject souls directly into the bloodstream

[elder osprey]

MS. frizzle the ghostbuster, hell yeah

[candid monolith]

On the juice I see

[night hedge]

2x Gun Wight
Ammo Goblin
Barrelform
EGIS Weapon

Operator: Big Sarge
Clutch Reload
Unholy Sixgun
Double Tap```
very simple, focuses around buffing mortar, if/when egis dies barrelform takes over at being buffed

[robust python]

Playing against CARCASS last night, the Enforcer's Flashbang is nasty

[night hedge]

yeah it's good range and vulnerable applier

also actually really good for the carcass mirror match

cause it breaks formation

[robust python]

Two formations of Enforcers throwing Flashbangs at each other and giggling

[keen ravine]

should throw extended barrel on the barrelform for the extra adjacency buff

[cobalt junco]

Has anyone used Chirurgeon's Clone ACT in actual play? I was thinking it may be pretty sick against negative token stack, but there wasn't really a great opportunity to use it while playing against a Mox opponent

[umbral cipher]

Not yet but it's def a cool ability

[lethal trench]

I don't think it actually gets rid of tokens

I see it as basically an ally teleport that leaves a corpse

[real bane]

Does graze damage consume str/wk/vit/vuln?

[umbral cipher]

Would also trigger on-death stuff

[lethal trench]

yeah

[umbral cipher]

Which isn't as relevant for igorri but Is neat

[lethal trench]

obliterate doesn't trigger effects that happen on Slay

[umbral cipher]

Ohhh right Obliterate

[versed ravine]

desperately trying to get my very gay boyfriend into maleghast by saying "slayyyy" every time i explain the rules to him

it's not working

[umbral cipher]

you must take fate into your own hands

shouting 'hit the SLAY button' as I use S.T.G.

[versed ravine]

if i ever get an in person game of maleghast with my friends i'm getting into it im just going to yell the word "SLAY" through the apartment every time i do it and hope i bait him to the table like a rat with cheese

desperately pointing at penny dreadful look she's cunty isn't she

[real bane]

Do you count as "in cover" for stuff like Operator's Bone Wall and Barrelform's Extended Barrel, when merely adjacent to cover but not behind it from any enemies?

[lethal trench]

I'd say so yeah

as long as there is a piece of cover next to you, it should count IMO

[pale echo]

Yeah same

[elfin ermine]

can you Blood Boil your necromancer?

[lethal trench]

I think so

better make it count though

[candid monolith]

I mean I don't see why not.

[umbral cipher]

Well, you'd already be on the ropes at that point

[candid monolith]

Sure you lose but if it's a 2v2 it could turn the tide for your ally

[umbral cipher]

If you can make it happen

[elfin ermine]

could be a good punish for people not targetting your threats

couple of warheads die, you rush in with necro
if they focus fire on them instead of your big dudes you can get an extra turn

[umbral cipher]

Blood Boil is a sick ability though, slapped that on a Painwheel that blasted through the Carcass backline twice

[candid monolith]

Big 'witness me' vibe

[robust python]

I plan to use it in my next game with some other synergies, will report back

[charred glacier]

Alright, just hte very first draft, drying to draw up a custom map of a Necrosphynx for people to fight across, where the head is made up of walls and can be destroyed seperately

I knew it looks derpy, I just need to figure out how to give it a really good top-down face :p

[wintry quartz]

i love it, they are very friend shaped

can the sphynx do anything? like create terrain or conditions when the players interfere with it?

[charred glacier]

oh,m super friend shaped, it is just supposed to be

shaped

[wintry quartz]

I think you're pretty on point with the illustration then

[charred glacier]

I was going to let it be a solid object, but when players destroy the wall layers (the head) it creates this lil' divot of cover because it goes to lvl 1

[brazen pine]

would this goon take 1 hazard damage on turn start or 2?

[charred glacier]

1!

If only!

But no, we cannot Bolides space-laser the tyrants

[brazen pine]

lmao, yeah thats how we ruled but wanted to double check

[fluid swift]

Question: Have Tom or anybody else posted transparent or white-background versions of the iconic Necromancers anywhere? The C.A.R.C.A.S.S. cutie on page 30 notwithstanding

[charred glacier]

Thanks! I think I'm just wanting it to be more ominous so we feel more grounded in the setting, but I'm unsure how to do that at my skill level >.>

[wintry quartz]

I think it's ominous presence is more vertical than present from a bird's eye view -- I think it being a little esoteric can make it feel more strange, some times strange or oddly-aesthetic landmarks end up being more memorably than generally scary or imposing landmarks

and tbf, I played my first game on this - suped up pools of obliteration

[short estuary]

bold way to expand pools of obliteration lol

When we played that we still just had the 2x2 in the middle

[real bane]

ah yes

the Pain Hole

[wintry quartz]

I also added this special rule - "Units slain in hazard tiles are Obliterated. (A unit that is obliterated leaves neither body, such as a corpse, nor SOUL and does not trigger effects that are triggered when slain or reduced to 0 hp.)"

[short estuary]

I was also playing mox at the time so I had a hole field advantage

Rotten chillin' in the pit

[wintry quartz]

so that it went kind of nasty

it was Abhorrers vs Goregrinders

[real bane]

Anyone wanna play a duel tonight at <t:1699212600:t>?

(i'd ping the role for this but I am deathly afraid)

[gloomy shell]

Gonna be busy then, but i hope you have a good time!

[wintry quartz]

but besides that - I describe the room as an ancient ritual temple with an endless pool of bubbling tar, with the wilderness around it having tar pits that resurrect fallen units around the corrupted fountain

and honestly it was a great tone setter

[short estuary]

I would but I just played 2 games yesterday... Probably maleghasted out for a day or two

[glacial junco]

@short estuary wanna play maleghast today?

[wintry quartz]

sometimes a little description here and there helps; because despite the wargame nature, I kind of do treat it as an RPG and I just referee two players, while they took turns beating each other into pulps for ooey-gooey necromancy points to win the match

[short estuary]

I'll get you eventually igorri scum

[glacial junco]

No u dont understand we need to playtest more so we can find the flaws Igorri has
None I am a perfect tactical genius

[cobalt junco]

Speaking of Igorri scum, anyone have any good ideas for Igorri Black Mass names?

[short estuary]

next time I will run more than one rotten, and then you'll see

[wintry quartz]

Chop Shop

[glacial junco]

The Escaped

Parabola

[cobalt junco]

Abhorrers are easy in my opinion just yoink the angel naming scheme from K6BD lmfao

[night hedge]

abhorrers vs goregrinders duel, goregrinders won with 0 hp, with just the necromancers on the table

[short estuary]

Experiment Group #666

[cobalt junco]

"86 Wilful Gaze Engulfs the Horizon"

[glacial junco]

"tyrant program"

[wintry quartz]

The Multi-Material Knitter Brigade

[umbral cipher]

TO BE LIKE GODS

[glacial junco]

A bolt of inspiration

You'll feel a slight pinch

[cobalt junco]

Flesh Communion

[glacial junco]

Or more horrifying dental drilling noises

[cobalt junco]

horrifying to the other houses maybe

[wintry quartz]

Ivory Armory

just armor and beasts made of teeth

[candid monolith]

See we just use a chainsaw much less intimidating

[cobalt junco]

I need my dental drilling noise machine to fall asleep

[glacial junco]

Could also steal some cool phyrexian names

[wintry quartz]

TRUE

[glacial junco]

Blue colored specifically

[wintry quartz]

Progress Tyrants?

[umbral cipher]

SEVEN SOULSEWN

[real bane]

bumping this briefly

[glacial junco]

Cool names yall

[cobalt junco]

that would be such a dope name for a stitch heavy build

[candid monolith]

I'll be at work but you should ping the role

[real bane]

aaaa

[candid monolith]

Do you want me to do it so nobody will be mad at you

[short estuary]

if you ping it odds are good you will find at least an adversary

Or you'll get into a 2v2 or free-for-all

You're even giving, what, 90 minutes of notice lol

You could make a google form and take applications

[real bane]

<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone up for a game at <t:1699212600:t>?

[candid monolith]

Hell yeah

[spice stag]

yeah

what vtt are you using?

[real bane]

Roll20, if you don't mind

[spice stag]

Alrighty. I'm kinda new to using all the different vtts so bear with me lol

[tired bolt]

heya, all homebrew stuff is done over in here now https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1170699117454962848

[crisp night]

oh i didnt even SEE that

[tired bolt]

s'all good

[crisp night]

my bad! and thank you

[fiery orbit]

for 2v2 can you use ally effects on your teammate? for example can carcas get formation bonuses with your teammate?

[bleak folio]

theres no raw on it afaik

in the 2v2 i was in we ruled teammate units count as allies

[elfin ermine]

hmm

[crisp night]

nevermind turns out i'm not fighting igorri today 😭

friend had to cancel

[patent steeple]

mannnn same

[crisp night]

i had this picture all ready to go for if i won and everything

oh well i'll probably find someone in here to skirmish with

actually, i just realized; do i have to update my maleghast foundry data for 1.1

well i mean i know i do just not how

[patent steeple]

i did not see an updated json for either the icon system or simple worldbuilding ones

[night hedge]

carcass vs gargamox, mox populi was popped v scary, plague lord died to an operator which was alone with 3 health 2 plague using bullet hustle

super hype

[patent steeple]

otherwise u can just manually update it

[crisp night]

i'm using the icon system, i just don't know how to take the new stat/ability/etc changes from the 1.1 maleghast release and socket that into foundry. unless it is just manually going through a text file somewhere and changing values

[patent steeple]

so what u will most likely have to do is go into the compendium folder for maleghast actors and abilities

abilities are easy to change, just replace the text

stat changes are a bit more difficult

i would have to do research into that

there should be a way to change an actor's stats though

[crisp night]

👍

[patent steeple]

thankfully tom made a changelog

[crisp night]

that is true

[real bane]

y'know, about Abhorrers

for having their listed playstyle be "slowly growing power", they sure have exactly one non-necromancer ability with Stance (Round N+)

[robust python]

on Spite level yeah, but once you start using Dark Power upgrades then Holy Body, Zealots, Inquisitors, Penitents, and Antipriests all gain a Stance (N+) option

My feeling is this game is probably best played around Hatred level

[crisp night]

yeah i think one or two games on spite to learn it and then beyond that there isn't really a reason to go back to spite

[robust python]

^

[crisp night]

which is the way it should be i feel! spite feels PLENTY fun to play but once you get a taste of that dark power fuckery

there's no going back

[robust python]

agree!

[real bane]

Huh, sure enough

[crisp night]

anyway time to spend twenty minutes changing everything in my forge/foundry for 1.1

[robust python]

I've been playing using the excellent TTS mod

[frigid lark]

Do hazards only trigger once a turn? Or if a unit moves through 3 hazards it takes 3 damage?

[candid monolith]

I think the latter

[real bane]

with the exception of the "start their turn in" clause

for which tyrants take just one damage

[candid monolith]

Spicy tiles

[frigid lark]

Small maps against gargamox is a pain
All tiles are hazards and everything is going to die

[crisp night]

realizing i have no idea how to do this

i can't edit it while loaded into a world, it says that the data is locked

but there's nothing in the data folder that i know how to edit

[patent steeple]

just unlock it

right click and it should say unlock compendium

[crisp night]

it doesn't say it's locked is the thing

hold on let me show the message that happens when i'm in the world

but the module isnt locked

[patent steeple]

what does the compendium say

does it say its locked

like go to the compendium folder that say "maleghast actors"

[crisp night]

ohhhh for god's sake

sorry

and thank you

one of these days i really need to go read that encounter library website

didnt even know compendiums could be locked individual of their module

[patent steeple]

yep they can!

[crisp night]

🙏 thanks for the help as always

[patent steeple]

also no worries! im just glad to be of use

[crisp night]

this is less of an important question but once i update this data for foundry would i just be able to import wizard in forge again and it'll just replace the old maleghast stuff with the new edited stuff

[patent steeple]

you would have to export the new, updated compendiums

[crisp night]

ok got it

that at least i know how to do

[patent steeple]

thankfully the maleghast module doesnt have a github repo so u cant "update" it per say

so u dont have to worry about it overwriting your updated compendiums

[crisp night]

yeah i figured

[patent steeple]

but if you happen to update all the changes, could you export those json files so others could use em?

[crisp night]

uhhhhh sure if you'll tell me how to do that

it may take me some time because i have work in a little while but i intend to do it all by the end of the day

[patent steeple]

trying to figure that out right now

[crisp night]

👍

[patent steeple]

@brittle otter do you have any insight into this?

[crisp night]

carcass and goregrinders done so far but abhorrers and souls are gonna be the long shit

[brittle otter]

[patent steeple]

sorry did i tag the wrong person?

you made the icon system maleghast module right?

[brittle otter]

Lemme read up a bit

Uhhh

Tl;dr?

In the middle of a D&D session

[crisp night]

I'm currently editing all of the maleghast stuff for the icon system for the 1.1 update

we want to know how i can export that as a json so people can just plug that in and have the updated stuff

without having to manually do it like i am

[brittle otter]

Oh simple

Did you do all the edits?

[crisp night]

no, it'll still be a little while unfortunately, i'm on mox rn

just started a little bit ago + i have work soon

but if you can leave instructions or something i can save it for later

or if you just want to wait until after your d&d session no sweat either

[brittle otter]

Well let me say first, drag out all the abilities and actors into your tabs