MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[crisp night]

yeah

im gonna do second gheist

i also have to keep in mind to use cyclopean monolith like all the time always

it's so useful

the only soul abilities im taking on my dark priest are twist sinews and malebolge

twist sinews is a cheap way to potentially isolate a unit

and malebolge is good for if i happen to get a lot of soul without needing to spend it

[arctic solar]

any act abilities you're looking at?

[crisp night]

good question

with the nerf to frozen hell i might drop it

hmmm

the damage is nice and all but it got a range nerf too which is actually what i care about more

less freedom to muck up the joint

im gonna take unholy summoning

[primal nest]

Weirdly enough I don’t know what I would want to have Mox Hersey with

[crisp night]

now that it's a curse i dont have to roll

consistency = gud

[primal nest]

All of their stuff just synergies do well with each other

[crisp night]

i might stick with lathean devil whip for higher malice but the urgal blade is kind of great

[rugged cloud]

I got a juicy 5 damage Zealot attack

[crisp night]

anything that doesn't get doomed by doomblade/shriek/etc is gonna get slapped by a big 4 damage

4 is a SHIT ton

[short sky]

genuinely think this could be good. AP thralls kinda spooky.

thinking of doing it with Devil Gun + S.T.G so you can insta-gib anything scary the bone boys can't plink down.

maybe do 4 points of Gunwights and then Ammo Goblin with 2x reload and str

[crisp night]

i'm keeping foul monuments for chosen. their best utility is still walling and better range on walls is quite good

terrorize is the best choice for the gheist

[umbral cipher]

Had a very rad 2v2 game

[crisp night]

fuck if i know what to give the sacrifice

[crisp night]

ooo

do tell

[umbral cipher]

Carcass/Abhorrors versus Deadsouls/Gargamox

Carcass/Abhorrors won; Deadsouls lineup had a rough time cracking the abhorrors while Carcass safely nailed off the Scum, but then Gargamox ruined Carcass with deathburst Leech nonsense

As Abhorrors moved in and cleaned up

The Carcass/Mox matchup is really interesting, since Mox is great at turning Formation strats against em

[craggy iron]

WELCOME TO THE BONE ZONE

[umbral cipher]

And slapping Hazards everywhere is a pain for Reloading

[crisp night]

we should change one of rotten's acts to a catapult where it picks up an adjacent unit (scum or slime most likely) and throws them range 3

and they deathburst on impact

i know swell with corruption exists but is it a baseball throw? unlikely

[umbral cipher]

FASTBALL SPECIAL

[slow ferry]

lhjdsalhdahldaslh

[slow ferry]

CLOSE TO WHAT I DID

I took devil bullet and unholy sixgun to get a SHIT ton of dmg while my lil guys take the brunt

that and guaranteed procs of unholy sixgun headshot ability to up the dmg

[short sky]

yup that was my whiteboard theory

[rugged cloud]

I am a bit sad because games very rarely go beyond round 3 when I am playing abhorrers

[slow ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

genius manuevers

[silver lotus]

What modules are folx using on VTT? I'm mocking up the server for my friend group.

[slow ferry]

ive been using roll20 and the pools of obliteration haunt

simple terrain and set up

[silent sluice]

There's some foundry stuff in the pins

[silver lotus]

Oh! I should have looked. Thanks!

[vague elbow]

yeah roll20 has been working like a charm

[rugged cloud]

(Clarification: I’m not losing I just feel like games aren’t going to round 6 that often in the kill the necromancer objective ones)

[gray crystal]

Agreed

[vague elbow]

yeah my first game ended on 3? I think

[rugged cloud]

Probably for other game types

[gray crystal]

It seems like the only thing getting people to round 6 is focusing too much on buffs instead of damage

[lethal trench]

how do I actually install the module from the zip?

[rugged cloud]

One of the special objectives probably do it

[silk storm]

Soon™️ 👀

[pulsar lodge]

about to play my first maleghast game

excited

Carcass vs Goregrinders

[silent sluice]

you're asking the wrong guy, I know nothing about foundry lol

[umbral cipher]

SPARKBOLTS
Faction Mechanic: Voltage
Sparkbolt units gain Voltage tokens by moving or specific actions. Abilities that reach Voltage thresholds activate additional effects, and then spend all Voltage on that unit.

Special Tags
Amp: Abilities that gain additional effects for having adjacent allies.

Curse of inspiration

[lapis bone]

Cool!!

[pulsar lodge]

duel setup

does this look pretty standard to yall

[umbral cipher]

Needs more stuff tbh

[pulsar lodge]

what would you reccomend?

[eager berry]

When do units respawn in Blood Grinder?

[umbral cipher]

Fill out those areas in the empty corners with walls, elevation, w/e

[pulsar lodge]

thanks

[eager berry]

Start of round, start of turn, etc etc?

[umbral cipher]

Yeah that's better
The more stuff going on in a map the better generally

Tactical texture and whatnot

[arctic solar]

I think it's actually 'immediately'

Possibly 'when they take their turn'

[umbral cipher]

I would probably say start of round

[eager berry]

For Pools of Obliteration it says Round so that's my leaning

[umbral cipher]

Yeah

[solemn laurel]

made a goregrinder this time. might have a second goregrinder in the banks but i at least wanted to share my other one. desperately curious of The Workflow that was done for the texturework but heres a close enough approximation

[umbral cipher]

Oh hell yeah

goregrinder dad...

[solemn laurel]

goregrinder really digs into a lot of concepts that i personally really adore and i Do like making big buff men who are a little crazy

[umbral cipher]

Very based

[keen ravine]

trying to make an abhorrer with this vibe but it's been a struggle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCRjJxYSPRc

[loud abyss]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JO-MtcNGB1D9adORqQ_JwzqhDG6V9fcHAEVIr-dPsN4/edit?usp=drivesdk

Rough for homebrew, got inspired to get some from seeing the ghoulcore one, more homebrew for the win

[patent steeple]

pull up to game with carcass
friend picks deadsouls on a whim

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[arctic solar]

just blob up and shoot the walls, everything will be fiiiine

[primal nest]

- Plaguelord Myca: Pollution Shroud, Necrocide, Ceaseless Spew, Mox Populi, Praise Filth, Scourge
- "Moldmen" Scum x10 (5 pts) (Aftermath)```

I am a craftsman

[crisp night]

what's your team comp

[eager berry]

Can Splash attacks target empty spaces?

[patent steeple]

its our first game so im just running 1 of each

[crisp night]

good luck

[primal nest]

Ye

[crisp night]

the more i look at deadsouls stuff the more i realize they all DO have ways around adverse terrain

chosen has free movement next to walls, gheist can teleport, banshee can just sit at the back of the map anyway, and the devil can teleport

sacrifices do not but who cares they're thralls fuck em

[tiny fulcrum]

If a Chirurgeon has no mutation tokens to convert at start of turn, does Polyglot make them mutate anyway?

[arctic solar]

I think so

Otherwise getting that first token is a huge pain

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah thats my exact thought

[rugged cloud]

here is my attempt at a Non-Traditonal Gargamox army at loathing

Gordaan The Great
Corrupter, Vermin Form, Purge Guts

Jo(Rotten)
Joe(Rotten)
Joey(Rotten)
Ratz(Host)
Ratz 2(Host)

This is the Rotten maxing army

the attempt is making a more "supportive" plaguelord

[crisp night]

hey all, i'm trying to sort out the special mechanic for my homebrew, and i have an idea but it might be a little too strong

[arctic solar]

I'm a big fan of hosts

[crisp night]

Uplink - Whenever a unit gains a positive token, it is copied across all allied units in X range

this feels too good

but i want to keep this idea

[arctic solar]

yeah that's a bit too spooky for me

feels easy to cheese with heresy too

[rugged cloud]

you could make individual units weaker to compensate or smthin

[crisp night]

treu

heresy was my main worry

especially with stuff like HB ablutions

wait nvm that doesnt gift vitality

what am i thinking of

gentleness

gentleness could very quickly lead to an entire squad with like 4 vit

hmmmm

i forgot to specify it has to be another unit with the uplink tag by the way

so in heresy non-rustmonger units wouldn't benefit from uplink

but still

[arctic solar]

I don't love vermin form here, is my main concern
Pure movement for your only other ACT feels a bit too defensive
For support, I'm personally eyeing carniphagous blade + spreader to give your team a bunch of strength

[arctic solar]

chop doc's marriage was what I was looking at

[crisp night]

that too

point is; it's a little too juicy

i don't want to let negative tokens do the same thing since then it would be incredibly easy for something like a vizigheist to inflict three units with weakness at once and then the entire team all has 3 weakness stacks

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lapis bone]

Would it be too strong to be able to shift a token to another Uplink unit on that unit's turn?

[arctic solar]

I dig that actually

No token multiplying, but a lot of token passing

[crisp night]

that could work actually

[lapis bone]

Not sure if it would be an Effect or just a Trait

[crisp night]

trait is what i'm going for

uplink is the formation of this faction

[lapis bone]

Word

[rugged cloud]

ima be honest that was slightly a narrative focused choice

he's meant to be a bit inept and depdenant on his goons

[arctic solar]

Ah, noted

[lapis bone]

Yeah, on a Uplink X unit's turn, they can shift one token to another Uplink unit within Range X

[rugged cloud]

the story here is "random conman who got picked for being a funny little guy"

[arctic solar]

you could probably make it global even

no range at all

[lethal trench]

I was considering something like this for a Mox list too haha

[crisp night]

then i can have a freak with an upgrade like "you can shift the tokens to two units in range" so you do technically have some copy

[lethal trench]

though I was considering taking one Leech instead of a third Rotten

[crisp night]

which is very strong

but is an upgrade you have to choose

on a fragile support unit

[lapis bone]

That too! Just thought a range could give osme unit variety, one unit who's a router to all the others with Uplink 6 or something crazy

[lapis bone]

That'd rip, I feel

[crisp night]

the idea i have so far for the freak is basically a sentient server stack

[lapis bone]

It's strong but you gotta put the dark energy for it

[keen ravine]

Trying to make a brawler Exorcist but stuck on which soul ability I should take

[arctic solar]

router unit that can both send and receive, or move more tokens at once?

[elfin ermine]

Grace was pretty good with the 4+

now that a lot of your units are just 3+ idk if the math works out as well

it helped you ignore curses, and keep some of your important guys alive while you're up there brawling

the raw damage stuff probably doesnt hurt

[keen ravine]

It's a good general defensive tool I think

[crisp night]

okay, so uplink will be unlimited range but you can only transfer tokens by default instead of copy
just need to think of one r two good tags

[keen ravine]

Snowdrop Cut is basically a finisher it seems, doesn't seem so useful for the cost pre-R4

[umbral cipher]

I'm honored 😌

[crisp night]

i have one idea for a tag, that being Synchronicity: when a unit Steps, all units with Synchronicity within range 2 (might make this adjacency) can Step the same distance in the same direction

[arctic solar]

Drifting Blossoms could let you position further forwards and retreat when needed

[crisp night]

rustmongers are going to be skirmishers who want to push in like goregrinders but aren't quite as blood-and-guts melee focused

[real bane]

Feeling like I can't play Maleghast with anyone here because it feels like everyone's done nothing but play the game non-stop for a week while I'm still just kind of in a corner going wow cool skeleton, and I'd get mega trounced instantly

[crisp night]

it's more like applying pressure from a solid midrange

and cowing enemies into a corner

[night hedge]

getting the rules done for the units, it's coming together

[rugged cloud]

most games don't make it to round 4+ is my main concern

[arctic solar]

the game's been out for three days and I haven't actually played yet

[lapis bone]

I have played 0 Maleghast, do not even sweat it

[night hedge]

same lol

[keen ravine]

Safflower Cut seems real good especially with Will of God

[umbral cipher]

Nah it's pretty easy to pick up and 'get'

[candid monolith]

I can play literally any game and still be trash do not fear

[keen ravine]

A line 6 damage and disruption 🤔

[rancid girder]

I'm looking at carcass and honestly

Guns? Guns

Just gunline it up and call it a day

[candid monolith]

Also I've made a mistake I refuse to pull back from and must now name my minions something over-long and ridiculous

[rancid girder]

Why overcomplicate things

[umbral cipher]

Carcass is great

[candid monolith]

How am I supposed to follow this up what is wrong with me

[umbral cipher]

no this is great

[keen ravine]

strategy? nah son, ten gunwights

[thick sphinx]

http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/Names/Abyssal

[candid monolith]

Glorious

Thank you

[lapis bone]

I gotta figure out a faction mechanic for my fungi-druids...something to do with growing stuff. I was wondering if they could get scaling benefits as their units are killed, so the less guys they have the better

Though going Whoops All Thralls would probably make that too strong

Hmmmm

[real bane]

Four "John"s

[candid monolith]

lmao

[thick sphinx]

First impression is that they're a vitality/weakness token faction

My first thought is actually that deathburst fits them really well

[umbral cipher]

Deathburst is a unique mechanic, can't really cop it

[rancid girder]

maybe something where if they stay still they get a buff?

so they're planting roots or filaments or something?

[keen ravine]

The other issue with bruiser abhorrers is whether I should just stick to penitent/antipriests or get wackier with it

[rancid girder]

clouds of spores for fungi maybe?

[thick sphinx]

That'd be neat

[lapis bone]

Ooo yeah, getting bonuses for not moving might be good

[eager berry]

For Beckon Lamb does the target have to be isolated or the Bound Devil?

[keen ravine]

holy body is good for gunning down unarmored goons but is also relatively fragile while doing so

[umbral cipher]

Target

[crisp night]

does this wording make sense? all moves with the Synchronicity tag will also have Step by the way, i just didnt want to include that in the description because it might be a little too wordy

uses an ACT*

not move

oops

[rancid girder]

incidentally, are people setting up games here?

[pale echo]

There's a role now

[thick sphinx]

Yep. There's a role you can ping

[pale echo]

But hasn't been used yet

[keen ravine]

Do unit upgrades apply to all units or just one

[primal nest]

Maleghast map makers

Show me your maps

[crisp night]

all of the same type

[keen ravine]

Gotcha

[crisp night]

if you have two scions and upgrade one the other gets the same upgrade

👍

[primal nest]

(Mostly cuz it’s a pain to search for them here)

[crisp night]

i feel like this is either way too good or way too situational

this includes positive tokens obviously

most units will have an act with the reboot tag

most not all

i still have to figure that shit out

but i cant start making units until i nail down what the gimmicks are

[arctic solar]

That feels like a Freak support ACT I think

[crisp night]

more than a tag?

true

hmmm

[arctic solar]

Or a necro optional

[crisp night]

i don't NEED two tags but i feel like just Synchronize is a little too simple considering some of the crazy cool shit you people are getting up to

[vague elbow]

the problem im having with fixed maps is that walls and hazards and such are so fluid that having a non-modular map design makes it confusing later on

idk if thats just me though, ive only played one game so far

[crisp night]

Crash; When a unit is affected by Crash, they cannot lose or gain Tokens until the end of their next turn.
THis is way too strong i realized halfway throgh typing it but i wanted to finish it anyway

this could like

turn off a holy body

which is a bit much

so i will table that idea. maybe a necro soul ability

i need to think less tokens and more "affects whole or part of squad in some way"

since that's the main theme of the rustmongers

[arctic solar]

maybe the scion has a trait that lets them take damage for nearby allies (or vice versa)

[crisp night]

reverse bodyblock?

intriguing

i will save this idea

if the next tag idea i have still isn't functional i'll just keep the one tag and move on to units

but i want to be extra

[vague elbow]

anyone have the colors of each house on hand?

[brazen pine]

i do!

[crisp night]

_ _

[vague elbow]

big thank

[brazen pine]

do flying units benefit from elvated terrain?

[crisp night]

that's a good question

they ignore the movement penalty i know that but not sure on the benefits

hmmm

i'm gonna say yes

just on the virtue of it would suck if they couldn't

but that's not a great reason

[tiny fulcrum]

goregrinder gaming: executed

[brazen pine]

flying specifically refers to the "negative effects" of elevation

[crisp night]

munched

oh ok

so then yeah

they should benefit

[candid monolith]

Gores Grinded

[elfin ermine]

I also think you still get elevation bonus against them

[tiny fulcrum]

very much so, this was top of round 4

[charred glacier]

I love the counters-on-bases dealio you got going!

[brazen pine]

the other question then is do tyrants, as a 2x2 unit, gain the benefits of elevation if they're only partially on elevated terrain

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah this is using the TTS mod someone made here earlier

it's good for ease of use but also makes token tracking a lot more painful than foundry

tradeoffs

[crisp night]

is there a unit or ability in the game yet that transfers negative tokens on the unit to an enemy when it hits it

[arctic solar]

my personal ruling is 'pick a source square'

[elfin ermine]

you do the same for incoming ranged versus a Tyrant in cover?

[arctic solar]

yes

[elfin ermine]

its what we settled on, picking a targeted square

[arctic solar]

and line of sight
pick a square to hit

my exception to this is splash effects, which get big when you target a tyrant

[primal nest]

i have a tileset that i just use

im mainly just wanna see what people have come up with

because unfortunately you can't search through forums

[crisp night]

okay last idea for a tag

[vague elbow]

ah that makes sense

[keen ravine]

LOATHING BLACK MASS

GOLDEN SAINTESS AZI 
TRAITS
HOLY VESSEL
CORPSE VIOLET STANCE

ACT Abilities
STARMETAL GODSWORD 
RELIC LANCE

SOUL Abilities
ABSOLUTION
WILL OF GOD
SWORD ART: SAFFLOWER CUT

2x CLEANSING PRAYER ANTIPRIEST 
1X HOLY FONT HOLY BODY
1X SUFFUSE ZEALOT 
1X PENITENT``` is this brawly enough

[crisp night]

added weakness clause so you cant just ignore having weakness

this forms a system where units with shitty tokens can route their negative tokens to an ally with a Virus attack, which can then start offloading it onto enemies

[keen ravine]

Might be too conservative with the holy body, could trade it out for another zealot beatstick

[crisp night]

though i did make the transfer once per attack so that you can't just get hit with like, 3 slow and then slap it on the enemy all at once

[night hedge]

skull crack is way stronger than i thought it was tbh

[tiny fulcrum]

Enforcers are The Good

[night hedge]

carcass was first faction i read so didn't realise how much damage 2 is

[crisp night]

i'm gonna stick with virus tbh. if it ends up seeming too strong i'll just fix it later

[ocean bloom]

I have given Maleghast a go in a 2 v 2

[tiny fulcrum]

That's sorta the thing - Enforcers are both solid damage and fantastic peel

[rancid girder]

I mean lowkey for carcass 6 gunwights an ammo goblin and a CGIS are probably a solid group

[ocean bloom]

It had some whoopsy moments but I was playing Garganox

[short estuary]

sounds like a reasonable infantry unit to me

[stoic hornet]

Has anyone noticed that berserker from goregrinder has formation? That has to be a typo, right?

[nova mason]

menacing cube

[rancid girder]

it's just solid damage output with a big heavy anchor

[vague elbow]

yes

its meant to be blood rage

[rancid girder]

though gun kata seems....bad?

[nova mason]

we probably shouldve pinned toms errata list lol

[tiny fulcrum]

[rancid girder]

unless it's a typo but the way it's written gun kata makes it so that you can't proc the push part of it

[ocean bloom]

Good time when I cast the curse of death burst on an enemy, then next turn cast corpse explosion on the space next to them and chain reactioning a good chunk of bad boys

[nova mason]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-aliens-cute-the-claw-gif-2992999473414330557

[tiny fulcrum]

loool

[pale echo]

The revision is going up in like, a day

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah that was a super simple map I copied from someone here

[nova mason]

i mean fair

[tiny fulcrum]

it worked well tho!

[nova mason]

for sure

like not throwing shade

it just immediately struck me

[tiny fulcrum]

oh yeah no i getcha

the cube is absolutely funny

[nova mason]

cuz theres just like a giant void cube lol

[tiny fulcrum]

the wall tokens are coloured white normally and were kinda blinding

[thick sphinx]

Skull Crack is stronger than the Goregrinder Necro's base attack and stronger than the Pilebunker against any DEF greater than 2

[rancid girder]

wait strength applies to grazes?

[crisp night]

yes

[rancid girder]

holy shit gunwights are cracked then

[thick sphinx]

At least if the Necro doesn't have 2+ strength

[crisp night]

enforcers are beefy

they drink their milk

[lethal trench]

Strength applies any time you do damage

[crisp night]

grew up big and strong

[rancid girder]

right but I thought gunwights were already strong because it's just consistently one damage

being able to throw out guaranteed 2 is excellent

[brazen pine]

can forced movement move diagonally?

[tiny fulcrum]

Is this accounting for your free Berserk token

[thick sphinx]

No

[tiny fulcrum]

You basically need to factor that into every attack

[thick sphinx]

But you get that with every action

[tiny fulcrum]

Imo

[crisp night]

it's still only guaranteed 1, at least on the first shot; if you inflict vulnerable with a headshot it would go up to 2 damage

unless wights do have inherent strength

but i dont remember that

[rancid girder]

also actually though why is this considered a plus

[rancid girder]

wights have ways to pick up strength

[crisp night]

oh yeah scavenge ammo

doy

[arctic solar]

reload + fire in the same turn

[tiny fulcrum]

Because it allows you to sac movement to reload -> attack even if they're adjacent

[thick sphinx]

'Cause otherwise the Operative can't attack the goregrinder trying to tear its face off

[rancid girder]

err

sorry, when it says gain minimum range I'm interpreting that as restricting the range band not expanding it

[tiny fulcrum]

nope

[rancid girder]

so 2-3 goes to 3-3

[tiny fulcrum]

It goes to 1-3

[rancid girder]

ah ic

[lethal trench]

yeah it expands range to 1-4 instead 2-4

[rancid girder]

okay that makes a lot more sense

[lethal trench]

so you don't have the minimum range anymore

[rancid girder]

and then for akimbos and the chainsaws, is the 4+ and 6+ two separate rolls?

[lethal trench]

just one

or do you mean separate from the attack?

in that case yes

[rancid girder]

I missed the line that says only one effect roll

but one attack roll and then one effect roll

[lethal trench]

yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

If you don't take the double barrel shotgun Gun Kata is probably the best trait

[crisp night]

whatre the other traits

i remember the one where you can cover behind your units

but what's the other

[crisp night]

oh yeah gun kata is pretty good

clutch reload is probly good and all but i am biased against rng effects

[tiny fulcrum]

Bone Wall is real good too, but Gun Kata is important for insurance

[crisp night]

and headshot at the end of the day is still getting lucky

[rancid girder]

I think you can probably get around gun kata if you're fielding a lot of gunwights

[patent steeple]

i might actually win this one

carcass my beloved...

[rancid girder]

the sixgun is definitely a trap though

far too unreliable imo

[lethal trench]

it is unreliable, but I think with Formation you have decent odds

[crisp night]

mostly it's funny

and that's what really matters

[candid monolith]

preach

[lethal trench]

Devil Bullet can also guarantee it, but that's also very slow

but yeah of the Act upgrades for Operator, I think the shotgun is really good

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah out of the ACT options I think the shotgun, cannon and devil bullet are all premium choices

[arctic solar]

you can maybe go devil bullet sixgun sixgun sixgun and try to roll headshots naturally while hitting for 2

but risky

[candid monolith]

I decided to get fucking weird with the names

[tiny fulcrum]

for SOUL upgrades I don't think theres a world where you dont optimally take Frag Bullet

[rancid girder]

double tap is intruiging just as a way to clean up lights

[tiny fulcrum]

which is fucking cranked

[rancid girder]

but also yeah frag bullet

[lethal trench]

pretty much all the Soul abilities for Carcass are pretty good I think

[candid monolith]

Feels like a pretty straightforward group of minions too

[tiny fulcrum]

Agreed

[rancid girder]

STG is a hilarious meme option but also STG + devil bullet can oneshot the enemy necromancer

[lethal trench]

yeah it's very unwieldy, but it is also a big threat

[rancid girder]

which is imo a very potent threat

[lethal trench]

if they can't bodyblock, they just die

[rugged cloud]

STG+Devil Bullet is actually a good wincon for the spam Gunwight build too

[rancid girder]

yeah you've got lots of ways to gain soul

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah it's less of a meme than it looks

[rancid girder]

uhhh what else

I'm not sold on the cannon just because you can only fire it every third round

if you have multiple reload weapons do they all reload at the same time?

[tiny fulcrum]

Reload is a binary state

[rancid girder]

as written I'm interpreting it as one reload action for any number of weapons

yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

you either are ammo'd up or you arent

[slow ferry]

first 2v2 match, goregrinders and carcass vs abhorrors and igorri

[crisp night]

hey is Devil of Foresight or Oracle Devil a better name for a devil that can see into the future

i dont just want to use future devil because of chainsaw man

[tiny fulcrum]

So yeah the Cannon is every third round

It's probably a luxury upgrade? but that's not so bad

[rancid girder]

ok, there is a slightly funny build with double goblin + CGIS + cannon to just vomit AoEs every turn

[tiny fulcrum]

Lol

[rancid girder]

and honestly with double tap it might even be good

[tiny fulcrum]

I mean unironically, right

That also gives the Operator anywhere between two and four strength

Blasting that much damage around is good stuff

[jovial tulip]

Hey wait
Is it CGIS Weapon?
Or EGIS Weapon?

[lethal trench]

EGIS

[short estuary]

Metal font claims another victim

[tiny fulcrum]

A pun on AEGIS, I assume

[arctic solar]

the Cannon is most likely every other round
fire cannon + move to reload, fire non-cannon, move to reload, fire cannon+move to reload

[slow ferry]

also obsessed with my buddy's name for his exorcist

[crisp night]

this is an excellent name

[rancid girder]

incidentally, how does strength interact with AoEs?

[arctic solar]

excellent

[rancid girder]

if I hit two things with the AoE, is that one or two tokens?

[vague elbow]

two

[crisp night]

i read it as just one

[vague elbow]

one token per damage

[crisp night]

the strength token applies to the whole aoe since it's one damage instance

but

[tiny fulcrum]

Afaik, and how Tom has described it, you'd spend only on the first target hit

[crisp night]

i could be wrong

[tiny fulcrum]

So you'd hit 1 dude for X+1 and the other for X

[crisp night]

sad

[rancid girder]

oh it's in the errata

so I need one token per target

[patent steeple]

i won...

carcass vs deadsouls

came down to the double tap

[lethal trench]

yeah

though I'd assume you can choose the order in which to resolve the AoE

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah

I don't really see another way of doing it

[pulsar lodge]

first game down

I lost as Carcass

it was a lot of fun, neither of us play wargames but we were able to pick it up easily

[tiny fulcrum]

Hell yeah

[rugged musk]

I'm taking that one

[pulsar lodge]

my EGIS Weapon died almost immediatly lol 😭

[arctic solar]

F

[pulsar lodge]

lot of fun though, we were already talking about potential future matchups at the end

[jovial tulip]

Out of curiosity, what vtts have you guys been using for this?

[short estuary]

Been seeing a lot of roll20 and foundry

[crisp night]

foundry for me

putting my forge sub to good use

[arctic solar]

Seen some Owlbear Rodeo too

[short estuary]

Personally I used roll20 because I just wanted to throw it together quickly

[pulsar lodge]

we used owlbear rodeo

[lethal trench]

having done the Foundry setup today, it's fairly simple mostly

just need to manually install the module

[short estuary]

When I was playing the foundry modules weren't made yet either

[crisp night]

hey all, is giving a 2 health thrall an upgrade that gives them armor overkill

[rugged cloud]

almost def

[pulsar lodge]

does splash effect damage happen automatically or is it a roll

[rugged cloud]

unless its like... ward

maybe

[short estuary]

splash effects just happen

[jovial tulip]

Oh, there's already a module for it?

[arctic solar]

In pins

[crisp night]

drat okay

[jovial tulip]

Oh sweet

[short estuary]

hard to say at this juncture but there are upgrades that give other units curseproof

[silent sluice]

I mean SCUM has armor by default

[short estuary]

but they have 1 HP

not 2

[crisp night]

scum only have one health though

yeah

that's why i'd make the armor an upgrade so you have to spend malice on it

or dark power

whateve rit's called

[cinder isle]

speaking of, it's a typo that scum don't have the thrall trait, yeah?

[short estuary]

yea

[crisp night]

yeah

same for stitches

[short estuary]

there's errata that all thrall are supposed to have that trait

[cinder isle]

gotcha gotcha, thought so

[short estuary]

to be officially codified in "Maleghast for sickos"

[crisp night]

i'm gonna make the thrall slow to compensate

2 mv like a gunwight but less firepower (more utility based, which is why you'd be willing to spend an upgrade point to keep the thrall around longer)

i'm allowed to make stupid decisions so i can reverse them later

[rugged cloud]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vSVsFwcf42FqHyy66IOSHtcDtyOMEVQbpxrbdkWneTs/edit?usp=sharing

introduction to a homebrew faction, no units yet but its a good intro I think

[cobalt junco]

Since soul abilities can trigger on any turn, are they applying to just the necromancer or do they apply to the unit taking it's turn?

[arctic solar]

Necro unless specified, I believe

[rugged cloud]

yeah

[patent steeple]

necro is always the origin point

double tap is kinda cracked

ngl

i just realized

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah the CARCASS soul abilities are really clutch

Which does feed into "thralls good" for them

[patent steeple]

gunwight firing line list

[rancid girder]

gunwights are good

two consistent damage per unit slot per turn, often ignoring damage

[patent steeple]

gunwights are fucking awesome

the bound demon bullied my barrel form so much

[lethal trench]

and potentially more if you get lucky with headshots

[patent steeple]

also love ammo goblins

those fuckers are so good

[umbral cipher]

Ammo Goblins are great

[lethal trench]

great upgrades on the Ammo Goblin too

[umbral cipher]

Hmm, I'm now debating if I need to get more interesting with my homebrew Freak's design

Because stuff like Ammo Goblin and Leech are cool!

[short estuary]

I need to actually try running a leech

[crisp night]

i've decided to add a tyrant and remove a hunter from my faction. hunter archetype doesn't lend itself to a forward march cluster of units

unless i got reaaaaally weird

[short estuary]

I was blinded by my love of slimes and then my desire to do thralls pulling people into hazards blinded me to leech's potential

[crisp night]

i might get really weird actually.

i've had an idea

this is why it's good for me to type shit out because then i can second guess myself and have ideas

[night hedge]

nearly done with units bar necromancer, upgrades, and ACT names

overall is bulky melee with buff/debuff spreading

[rugged cloud]

🫡

[pine crescent]

I just want to confirm something - CARCASS units are either loaded or not, right? The language suggests that the reload is tied to the specific ability, but there's no scenario where you have multiple actions tagged with reload at the same time, as far as I understand it

[tacit cedar]

egis and operator do

[lethal trench]

it's a binary yeah

you don't track it per ability

[tacit cedar]

since it says 'any ability' and not 'that ability'

[brazen pine]

warhead cleave, is the "adjacent unit" adjacent to the target or the warhead

[pine crescent]

actually it says "this ability" on page 18, and as you pointed out, egis (aegis?) weapon has two abilities with the reload tag. I don't think it affects operator, since picking a new ACT replaces the base one

[lethal trench]

I'd assume to the Warhead

[lethal trench]

it doesn't replace

you can have multiple Act on your Necro

[pine crescent]

yeah I guess I mistinterpreted "choose a new ACT ability"

[tacit cedar]

id go with the wording on the carcass page

[pine crescent]

OH

how'd I miss that

[tacit cedar]

the examples on page 18 are paraphrasing

[pine crescent]

yeah the CARCASS page is pretty definitive

perfect 👌

ty

[tacit cedar]

np

[silent sluice]

Even at Spite level, you'd have 2 ACT abilities since you get one more for free (along with your Bonus Trait and a SOUL upgrade).

[pine crescent]

I know it'd be easier to read the PDF start to finish but my brain just can't, I'm forever scrolling up and down looking at bits and pieces

[crisp night]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

the homebrew fugue state has taken hold i think i'm gonna bang this whole thing out tonight

[night hedge]

i think i'll make my freak the only source of non hatch tokens in the list so as to give the option to sidestep rng and do other builds

[crisp night]

it's so funny to me how fast everyone has gone to homebrewing

it also makes me happy

[arctic solar]

writing a freak ability for my lawman cowboy judge dredd faction

Serve Papers: Curse, range 4. The target unit takes 2 Justice. Additionally, choose one of the target’s ACT abilities. If they use it on their next turn, immediately trigger Justice on them.

[crisp night]

oh my god is justice a token

or a damage type

whatever it is this is awesome

[arctic solar]

token

it's like plague but instead of dealing damage over time, when you slay/obliterate a unit all your justice turns into curse damage

[crisp night]

they're like the undead IRS

in anzenmezzeron, not even death is certain; and yet, taxes still remain

[arctic solar]

the faction uses slow tokens and I'm not sure what else yet
the theme is that they don't kill lawbreakers, they imprison them, which is much worse

[crisp night]

they really ARE the IRS

i'm very excited to see where this goes jokes aside

[arctic solar]

I have the thrall unit written up somewhere
It's called the Jury

[crisp night]

if you're drawing inspiration from dredd can one of the necro acts or souls be called "court adjourned"

[arctic solar]

stealing that

[crisp night]

(i'm a fake dredd fan i've only seen the one movie and haven't read the comics)

at least i saw the good movie with karl urban

[languid lotus]

there's an entirely unrelated city where taxes are broken

[arctic solar]

hmm
justice might need a little tweaking to make it 'safer' for necromancers

[crisp night]

that's what the throne gives you

power to evade taxes

[arctic solar]

might cap the amount you can have

maybe necromancers can buy their way out of Justice with SOUL

[languid lotus]

when the government takes your money it comes back in six days. needless to say, horrible economic crisis

[crisp night]

hey question because i dont play abhorrers but i'm using one of its acts as reference

antipriest's delay judgement isn't a curse but it's only for targetting alies

do you still have to roll to see if it succeeds

i know curses just automatically succeed (except if the unit is curseproof obviously)

[languid lotus]

i assume it just works seeing as there's no attack trait

[crisp night]

yeah i thought so

im just making sure

👍

[languid lotus]

the curse tag just means "susceptible to curseproof" aiui

[crisp night]

and you don't have to roll for it

[languid lotus]

yea

[crisp night]

love curses

despite the deadsouls nerfs

im very glad that they got twisted sinews as a curse

and some other shit

[crisp night]

just realized something extremely funny

with my homebrew

which i might need to change

with the way Virus works, a unit inflicted with Doom could inflict it back onto a Deadsouls unit

taste of their own fuckin medicine

[languid lotus]

it's like what john deadsouls says, every soul has its dead

[pale echo]

So true

[cobalt junco]

HOW do strength tokens apply to aKimbo?

[slow ferry]

so glad to see everyone is seeing the truth of GUNWIGHT supremacy

[cobalt junco]

On hit does it treat it like an AOE?

Or does the token only apply to the primary target

[patent steeple]

iirc each instance of dmg is a strength proc

[cobalt junco]

The language of akimbo isn't super clear on the "order" of the damage. I'm definitely reading it as since the second damage requires a hit that it would apply the strength to that target, but my opponent is reading it as applying the damage at the same time

[umbral cipher]

Yeah every time you deal damage, if you have a strength token, it procs

[cobalt junco]

He only has one strength token

that's the quandry

[umbral cipher]

Then it only hits harder for the first target

[patent steeple]

so its the first instance of damage

[cobalt junco]

Lol that's what I thought but we were a little confused

ty ty

[umbral cipher]

ROPEDOLL
Rickertock Freak
MV 4 HP 4  DF 4+ ARM -
Traits:
Ghoulcore
ACT Abilities:
Networker (Range 3)
Effect: Two target units Step 2 or take 1 Slow (+4) and choose another target.

Hangman's Noose (Melee, Curse)
Curse: Target unit takes 1 Curse damage, 1 Vulnerable (+4) and cannot move or be moved until the start of self's next turn.

Reweave (Range 3, Harvest)
Effect: Target unit gains 2 Vitality and 1 Strength.

hmmmmm

[patent steeple]

thinking about carcass lists

[arctic solar]

of note- AoE is confirmed to require 1 strength per target to get boosted damage on all of them

otherwise you just boost damage against some

[patent steeple]

1x egis weapon
2x ammo goblin
2x gunwight

is this a thing at all?

[umbral cipher]

I've been running a group with 4 wights, 2 goblins, and an enforcer that works pretty well

Same principle applies I suppose, the enforcer is just Bigger

[patent steeple]

by 4 wights u mean 2x2 right?

[umbral cipher]

Yeah

Dropping 1 Goblin in a 4 unit squad

[patent steeple]

im just considering egis cuz i wanna run brace

[umbral cipher]

Egis is good! I just like Enforcer better on a personal level

[patent steeple]

yeah fair

i just like beeg mech

[cinder isle]

also uh

[umbral cipher]

I'm generally not a big fan of running tyrants I find :P

[patent steeple]

i like them for carcass specifically i think

easy adjacency

[cinder isle]

i keep seeing people talk about high thrall-count just generating soul really quickly

i thought you only get soul on the first death

[umbral cipher]

Yeah

[cinder isle]

not any

but it seems like people are talking about it otherwise

[patent steeple]

its 1/unit

and thralls are 2 units

[umbral cipher]

No, it's the first time A Unit dies

[cinder isle]

yeah, like

1/game

+1/round

right?

[umbral cipher]

No

[cinder isle]

oh

[umbral cipher]

Per unit

[patent steeple]

its per unit yeah

[cinder isle]

that's very wonkily-worded, then

[patent steeple]

so like

if ur unit comes back

u cant get soul off of its second death

[cinder isle]

right, like with miracle

it's just

[patent steeple]

or with blood grinder

[cinder isle]

when it says "the first time a unit dies" i don't assume "the first time each unit dies"

[umbral cipher]

Sure

But yeah live n learn

[cinder isle]

yeah it's this specific phrasing that kept making me second-guess myself

[brazen pine]

Does strength A) apply to all damage dealt by a splash effect/attack and B) get consumed by an attack that does not hit

[pale echo]

No

[cinder isle]

strength is apparently applied and consumed on a per-target basis

[pale echo]

B) it can

[umbral cipher]

It does apply to missed attack damage, yeah

[cinder isle]

so an attack that hits multiple enemies would consume 1 str per target until you're out of str

[umbral cipher]

If you Graze you can still deal a good chunk of damage with Strength or Vulnerable

[cinder isle]

armor and 4+ makes scum really fat, huh

for a thrall

[ocean bloom]

Weird question:
When you trigger a Unit's deathburst ability with "Swell with Corruption" do they have to be alive or can you do that on corpses?

[umbral cipher]

I find scum tend to get nastily domed by Splash stuff or gunwights

[pale echo]

They also have only 1 HP

[umbral cipher]

The 'real' durable Thralls are Warheads, funnily enough

[ocean bloom]

my poor scum ;-;

[shut hare]

scum when holy body exists

[eager berry]

Does the person who starts initiative always start off a round? Or is it just whoever didn't go last at the end of the last round

[umbral cipher]

Since they're guaranteed to always take at least 2 hits, often 3

[elfin ermine]

graze with funky damage, or aoes of funky damage, clears scum very well

[tiny fulcrum]

Warheads are sooo good

[pale echo]

Corpses aren't characters, I don't think

[shut hare]

yes, since they deploy first, then the other deploys, then it goes back to them

think of deploying like a turn

[cinder isle]

that also makes sense

[eager berry]

Okay so even in later rounds?

[shut hare]

no

it swaps per round

[eager berry]

Okay yeah that's what I was asking about, so the next round the other player goes first and it keeps swapping?

[shut hare]

yep!

[eager berry]

Thank you!

[languid lotus]

is there any way to heal one's units or necro besides miracle bringing them back?

[crisp night]

don't think so

[pale echo]

Mox Populi fakes it

[crisp night]

wow huh i totally didnt even think about it there's no healing in this game

[pale echo]

of course not
healing hurts undead, like in final fantasy

[crisp night]

ha

true

[tiny fulcrum]

Lack of healing really encourages forward momentum

[crisp night]

this is also true

in a game with only 6 rounds

you don't want to spend time just dumping healing actions onto a tyrant so it can stlal

stall

instead, you find other more hilarious ways to stall

[arctic solar]

vitality tokens are almost, but not quite, healing

[arctic solar]

just don't take 2+ damage

[pine crescent]

easiest to stall when your opponent is dead

[crisp night]

changed rustmonger to neuromonger because it still sounds metal-y but then i get to make a neuromancer reference

i'm a genius

may also change the name from netfreak for this unit

but it'll keep net

[brazen pine]

does the init winner always go first each round, or does it go to the opposite player of whoever acted last (like lancer)

[tiny fulcrum]

the latter

[cinder isle]

hm

[crisp night]

changed it to netweaver

[cinder isle]

how does the living cannon work, exactly? if you reload once after shooting it, is other stuff available again but it isn't?

or does it bar everything until you've doubled?

[crisp night]

all i have left to do is the hunter and the horror and then comes the necro, which is the hard part

[pale echo]

It doesn't lock anything else out

[tiny fulcrum]

The first is correct

[cinder isle]

what about if you shoot, then reload, then use another reload act? does that reset its progress?

i'd assume so, but never hurts to ask

[pale echo]

It's unclear whether the reloads need to be "stacked" or if they can be spread out

[patent steeple]

House: Igorri
Malice: Hatred (7) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x Homunculus (Meld)
1x Lycan (Autophagia)
1x Strigoi (Rapid Adaptation)
2x2 Stitch (Genestealer)

[Necromancer]
Chirurgeon
Bonus Trait: Accelerate Evolution

[ACT Upgrades]
New Material | Biotoxin Injector

[SOUL Upgrades]
Final Form | Recycle | Flesh Jump

how is this list?

[arctic solar]

my personal read is that
Cannon
Reload
Akimbo
Reload
Cannon
is a legitimate sequence, if that settles anything

[crisp night]

final form...

tell us how it goes when you use that

final form seems like a borderline joke SOUL but i feel like considering the amount of buffs it gives it has to be useful

just not outside of like, round 5 or 6

obviously

[cinder isle]

that's the question i was looking for an answer to, so thanks

i think i'd disagree by my understanding of reload intent, but i'll happily foist off the question to other people

[tiny fulcrum]

The cannon would be godawful if it required a double reload

in succession

so I'm inclined to agree with Sol

[patent steeple]

i wanna use it so bad

[cinder isle]

it just feels odd that its "load" isn't tracked synchronously to me

but from a usability perspective, that's a fair point

[patent steeple]

oh wrt reload

can u act -> sacrifice MOVE

to like

[cinder isle]

since there ain't many other options without reload

[patent steeple]

reload the same turn u use a reload ability

[cinder isle]

and akimbo has it

[pale echo]

Yeah

[arctic solar]

it gets insane with heresy obviously but like, the only things that can spend 6 str is experimental surgery and maaaaybe biotoxin injector

[patent steeple]

okay

[opaque socket]

I def agree that the Cannon is only meant to count how many reloads happened

for sure

[brazen pine]

is speed consumed if your movement wouldn't use the bonus movement?

[night hedge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12HodwsvEQXf2_12bwfTzEfD1aHixyX_MVtlkwRMRUcE/edit?usp=sharing

finished all the units stats, traits and acts

so need to do necromancer and upgrades

and then art

main balance levers for the faction is how strong hatch is, and how easy/difficult it is to apply hatch

or at least that was the goal

it is now 2:47 am here so i'm gonna go sleep

[naive glacier]

we have a little pseudo healing with vit

but graze + statuses mean you are always doing shit

and you can never reduce more than 2 damage at a time

[patent steeple]

low damage numbers + graze is very nice

always felt impactful

and makes armor feel very nice

[naive glacier]

i felt pretty confident going into maleghast I have design lessons from a lot of game design lol

[shut hare]

yeah its been pretty solid right outside the box - i think i've only had one rules question so far and my assumption was correct so kudos mr evilman

[patent steeple]

oh yeah maleghast was very slick

i played carcass vs deadsouls, did 4 rounds in 1.5 hrs

man it was so smooth

[shut hare]

i think the funniest part of reading it initially was questioning the "round 6 = draw" thing and then actually playing a game

like oh. i get it now

[patent steeple]

low health numbers my beloved

[naive glacier]

yeah

we did playtests both went to round 5 or 6 but they were pretty low unit counts at that pt

average game time is about 4-5 rounds i think which is nice

not uncommon to get to 6 either

[shut hare]

yeah i've only had one game end in a draw it was still pretty satisfying

[pale echo]

btw Tom do you need to "stack" two reloads of Living Cannon before it can be fired, or can you reload, shoot something else, reload, fire Living Cannon?

[naive glacier]

the nice thing is your necro has so much beef compared to other units that you end up getting your minions blown away

[patent steeple]

is this about the pace ur aiming for for icon?

[naive glacier]

you can stagger the reloads

[patent steeple]

in terms of gameflow?

[pale echo]

cool cool thanks

[naive glacier]

yeah kinda although icon is a little more juicy in the mechanics dept since you are playing just one dude

maleghast has a good pace where by the end it's your necro and you might have a little soul to blow on something fun

soul works quite well actually i was pretty happy with how it turned out in practice

[patent steeple]

yeah soul is good

[naive glacier]

it keeps you in the game

that plus alternating intiative does a lot of work

[patent steeple]

my friend got up to like 9 soul in my last game, shit was intense

[patent steeple]

yeah i def felt that

turns in maleghast are very fast and juicy

i often am just like

"oh"

"i dont needa overthink this"

[shut hare]

TRUE

sometimes i just dont wanna move and that speeds up things quite nicely

[crisp night]

In my first match me and my friend spent way too long on each turn but that was because we had to check the rulebook and it was our first time

But towards the later end of the match I was getting into a flow

[patent steeple]

yeah sometimes u just wanna MOVE x2

[crisp night]

I would be planning my move during their turn and once theirs ended I'd just do it

[shy forum]

it's got a good mix of lightnesss and crunch

[opaque socket]

Soul works super well because its like, a catch up mechanic

[shy forum]

feels easy to teach

[opaque socket]

if you're getting wrecked by someone you get more to play around of

[patent steeple]

yep

[opaque socket]

it also means you're less conservative about units dying too

[patent steeple]

its nice mind games

[shut hare]

especially thrall yeah

[patent steeple]

"i gotta take out this unit"

"but OH if that unit dies they get soul"

[umbral cipher]

Yeah the way the game always has a forward momentum to it even if you're beefing all your rolls feels really good

[patent steeple]

"but I NEED to take them out"

[shut hare]

that + being able to target your own units for soul generation is a nice little niche mechanic

[opaque socket]

Gargamox has a secret with its thralls

you can pop them early if you make them go on hazard

its free and the cops can't stop you

you also get soul for it

[crisp night]

I would feel bad doing that to my scum

[pine crescent]

Is it just called Egis Weapon because there's no Æ in the gothic typeface, I wonder? It's called aegis weapon in the asset pack

[crisp night]

They're my friends

[shy forum]

the rotten surrounding a pit of spikes as the thrall jumps in to spread plague

[patent steeple]

i think tom said thats a typo

[crisp night]

which one

the book or the assets

[shy forum]

prolly the book

[pine crescent]

oh no I did a find and replace
"handlers should be raegistered in this method"

534 matches found

[silver lotus]

Oh wow, a bunch of people did good maleghast workshop items for Tabletop Simulator.

[ocean bloom]

I need to learn how to properly play Gargamox

[silver lotus]

Throws VTT into the trash

[pine crescent]

Steady progress. I think I just need to write the callbacks for the number nudgers and we should be ready to launch

[silver lotus]

Gorgeous!

[umbral cipher]

I think you were doin pretty well tbh

[ocean bloom]

I dunno it was a bit hard to track, specially when I seemed to run out of people a lot sooner than everyone else.

[pine crescent]

I've had to de-engineer a lot of ICON specific stuff and that's slowed me down quite a bit

[umbral cipher]

That just happens sometimes, especially when Carcass is rolling unhindered

I think use the Slime a bit better and you could have been doing some really nasty stuff

[ocean bloom]

Yeah but the damage I did do was something I shouldn't have been able to do because I was spreading slime underneath people when I shouldn't

Shall just have to try it out again sometime

[umbral cipher]

(Said Slime needs a bit of buildup before it gets proper scary, use Percolate or the Freak to build them up)

[shy forum]

prolly did better than me! I had only thralls and rottens and didn't play em well aha

[ocean bloom]

Yeaaaah I used my poor Jane badly

[primal nest]

Lookin sick as hell Delz

[crisp night]

i remember before we knew what the units were when tom was posting units on twitter and he posted the mox sheet and the slime was where the tyrants were for every other image

and i was like huh

smaller than the other ones

[umbral cipher]

Scum can pull people into hazards, but, well, they don't last particularly long

Once you figured out what to do with the Leech though those were some nasty tactics

Like that deathburst chain reaction

[ocean bloom]

That was funny honestly.

Deathburst on that poor ammo goblin then corpse explosion right next to them

For one on ones I was thinking of two Leech, so you could even put deathburst on then force activate it with another leech. Or place it on two, then try and chain them like Gangplank.

[primal nest]

Oh yeah. Scum are built to die

[brazen pine]

do attacks that pierce walls damage them?

[glacial junco]

Scum want to be dead. The slime must be freed from the body

[primal nest]

The main trick is getting to die in a way that gives you big value

[glacial junco]

free the ooze

[thick sphinx]

Here's a fun rules question: If a Goregrinder triggers berserk, but that berserk doesn't do damage due to armor/vitality, does it do 1 self damage?

[ocean bloom]

My scum were popped immediately by Gunwights and damaged their allies ;-;

[thick sphinx]

And, much more relevant follow up because I think this is properly unclear, if Berserk fails to do damage and you take the 1 instead, do you discard the token? The way it's written makes it seem like you don't

[primal nest]

Even them dying next to your necro or rotten can setup up come nasty stuff later on

[primal nest]

Was this round 1?

[umbral cipher]

Was indeed

[primal nest]

Ok so

[umbral cipher]

I got first activation and went for it

[primal nest]

Gunwights can’t hit scum if you position them in the backrow

Unless they have that range buff upgrade

[crisp night]

how'd they punch through the armor point?

oh wait

i fuckin

forgot

gunwights pierce armor

insane thralls

[primal nest]

Generally, if you are sure your opponent is bout to pop ur scummy boys turn 1 (like with mortar) if what to position them next to ur necro or a rotten

[ocean bloom]

I will have to keep that in mind for the future. A bit odd but it felt like my Necromancer should be quite close to front range, since they have some 2 range abilities

[umbral cipher]

Gunwights are the best thralls for sheer offense, but their mobility is ass and are easy to rush down

[primal nest]

Hell despite the size or the splash, if you position right a mortar can only hit one or two scum

If you got 4 of them

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah Gunwights are so fucking slow

[ocean bloom]

Just to check, Toxic damage still hurts Gorgamox right?

[primal nest]

Yes

[tiny fulcrum]

needing to reload + mv2 is the pits

[ocean bloom]

Right good we were doing that right. Immune to plague but not the damage

[primal nest]

Oh right yeah pits

[primal nest]

Leech is getting ward next update tho

Which is sick

(Also sorry for the pings I wish that was off by default)

[ocean bloom]

np np

I like leech, putting deathsplosion on the ammo goblin immediately turned it from a useful buffer into a liability. Which immediately popped all over their allies

[primal nest]

Leech Is so fucking good

Yes I will put suppurate on your tyrant

Suffer

I need to use evolve strain more. That could have won my abhorrers game

[umbral cipher]

I wanna run Gargamox with two Rotten, a Leech, and maybe some Scum

[primal nest]

Yeye

That’s actually close to what I run

[umbral cipher]

Chuck a Host in there

[ocean bloom]

I did Suppurate into Necromancer using Corpse Explosion next turn and took out like three/four folk with the chain reaction. It was a good moment.

[primal nest]

- Plaguelord Myca: Corruptor, Corpse Explosion, Necrocide, Insides Out, Fecundity 
- "Moldmen" Scum x4 (2 pts) 
- "Footstools" Leech x2 (2 pts) (Massive Swell) 
- "Fester Stone" Rotten (1 pt)(Catalyze)```

[ocean bloom]

Part of me wonders if I should run Two Hosts, Two Slimes and some Scum. The idea of just covering the map in goo that makes it hard to close in, while filling the slime with plague and then running down enemies in a big wave.

[primal nest]

Yeah. Pop pollution shroud in there and you are tough to kill

[ocean bloom]

GARGAMOX
GLOO
Sniffle (Plaguelord)
- Polution Shroud
- Corpse Explosion
- Praise the Filth

Hankie/Pankie (x2 Scum)
Sticki (Leech)
Oozo (Host)
Jane (Slime)
(if 5)
Wikkit (Leech)```

[umbral cipher]

Nothing but Hazards Hazards Hazards is a fine way to play

Because at some point they have to try and come to you

[primal nest]

I do wish bloat was a lil better?

It seems like scum’s weakest upgrade imo

Might need to try stuff out with it

[ocean bloom]

I'm very tempted to try doing something stupid and nasty where I spend my souls infesting someone in range of a leech and then using the leech pop to do damage and give my team strength

[primal nest]

Yeesss

[primal nest]

If it was something like “when slain step per x plague before dying” tho? 👀

[crisp night]

aftermath seems like the best one but this is from the perspective of someone who hasnt played mox

[primal nest]

It is unless you wanna run corpse explosion

[ocean bloom]

Corpse explosion do be good

[primal nest]

I turn my little men into mines

[ocean bloom]

If you have a character with two Deathburst as they both triggered by "swell with corruption"?

[primal nest]

Yes unless they are the same one think

[ocean bloom]

Say I supperate my Scum

[primal nest]

So you can’t double stack suppurate

[primal nest]

Free 2 plague

[ocean bloom]

And a toxic damage

[primal nest]

Yep

Is pretty gud

[ocean bloom]

Turning your little Scum into shuddering flesh orbs

[crisp night]

i need to make a mox team tonight once i finish homebrewing

[primal nest]

Like bloat is bad for corpse explosion cuz you want to keep them near the corpses. The knockback might good for hazard lines but at that point you should probably just run aftermath. I don’t think you are gonna to have enough traps by the time they die to get value out of it

[crisp night]

i'm gonna get the last two units done and their upgrades and then make the necro tomorrow

and then that'll be that

then i gotta find someone to do art for the units

[primal nest]

I guess maybe for a weird infest setup?

Dunno

[primal nest]

This atleast helps with the positioning issues they have at the cost of plague investment

[ocean bloom]

so silly question but that stuff under the characters, like Bloat, tentacle whip, and aftermath, is that only once you've upgraded your characters? I'm not sure when these get applied.

[primal nest]

It’s when you get dark power in higher malice

Spite has no dark power

[umbral cipher]

When you gain a Dark Power, you can:
Get 1 of 3 upgrades for a unit type
Get a new ACT ability for your necro
Get a new Soul ability for your necro

Unit upgrades apply to All of that kind of unit

[primal nest]

Ye

You rolling 10 scum? Just need one aftermath on em

[ocean bloom]

nice nice

[umbral cipher]

If I have 2 Ammo Goblins and I get Hot Casing then they both get the upgrade yeah

But you can only get one of the three upgrades

[crisp night]

unless you go to the highest malice tier

at which point you can have two upgrades for each unit type

[primal nest]

Unless you play ultrahell

[crisp night]

which is when shit gets entirely insane

[primal nest]

Like a true maleghast player

[umbral cipher]

speakin of upgrades I ought to get cracking on those for my units...

I find it really funny that I managed to open the Homebrew Floodgates

[crisp night]

i'm glad you did

having a great time churning my neuromonger cauldron

[primal nest]

Homebrewing this system seems really fun

[crisp night]

this faction might end up being entirely useless but who cares

it'll be my useless faction

[primal nest]

There’s so much you can do

[crisp night]

and that's what matters

[primal nest]

Speaking of which

[crisp night]

DEVIL DAMAGE??

[primal nest]

Yes!

[umbral cipher]

Devil Damage is hilarious

[primal nest]

Talked about it last night

[crisp night]

oh RIGHT the time police

"police"

timefuckers

[primal nest]

Time “mafia”

Isdiffernt

[crisp night]

i'm really curious to see how the matador works mechanically

[primal nest]

I still figuring it out

[crisp night]

can't wait to see it when it's ready

[primal nest]

I do wanna do a sorta of parrything

[crisp night]

is giving armor to a horror overkill

i dropped the health by one point and it only has the standard 4+ save target

vizigheist gets ward and a 5+ save target with 3 health

[primal nest]

Also a move that gives it speed and slows and adjacent unit

[crisp night]

i feel like this is fair game

wait

this is the hunter not the horror

oops!

wrong unit entirely

i'm very good at this

but the neuromonger horror will have those stats

[primal nest]

The fun part is gonna coming up with necro abilities for the Underboss

[crisp night]

hunter will be a standard 2 4 4

[ocean bloom]

Make a semi-aquatic clockwork necromancer called the Lochwerks

[harsh gorge]

ive been thumbnailing my carcass operator
CARCASS IS SO GRREEEEBLY

[crisp night]

the most greebled faction

[umbral cipher]

okay first pass at upgrades for These Guys

SOULTICKER
Rickertock Thrall
MV 4 HP 2 DF 5+ ARM -
Traits: 
Skitter: When this unit MOVEs after the first, it may pass through units and walls.
Thrall: 2 of these units are worth 1 unit slot. You may activate 2 at a time.

ACT Abilities:
Pins And Needles (Attack, Range 1-2)
On Hit: Deal 1 Damage, (4+) and 1 Vulnerable

Ghoulic Overclock (Self, Splash)
Effect: Splash (self): 1 Curse damage, 1 Slow, then self is slain.

Upgrades
Spirit Vapors: When this unit activates the Skitter trait, the first ally it moves adjacent to gains 1 Vitality.
Instability: Unit Steps 2 before Ghoulic Overclock's effect.
Unsanitary: Pins And Needles gains (+4) deal 1 Weak.

[umbral cipher]

ooooo

[patent steeple]

Umbral/Astral: This unit gains +1D on even numbered rounds, and +1 Df on odd numbered rounds.

SPECIAL TAG
Predict: Effects with this keyword require the unit to roll an effect die. That effect will occur in that many turns.```

i brewed up something for a homebrew faction, is this a concept worth exploring? or is it too similar to stance stuff?