Nebulous: Fleet Command

[oak shell]

Also, for everyone who was waiting for game 2, get in now

[junior heron]

and if you want to join the boat night lobby, it's PNET, password is lancer

[glad aurora]

for the spectators: that fleet was exactly what you think it is. it now goes back in the gun safe

[junior heron]

has it been a moment?

[covert garnet]

What is the password for pnet servers?

[junior heron]

lancer

[covert garnet]

okay thx

[junior heron]

do you want to play or just spectate?

[covert garnet]

I can play

[mint sinew]

grab the nebulous role if you want to see the voice channels

[topaz jolt]

Waaah

Time went zooom

I only just swapped to Nebulous as life went brrr.

[wicked mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-endgame-drax-drax-the-destroyer-gif-20680379

Me vs the Claymores

[wet root]

Party on C point

[junior heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2CNVvZWTM

oh shit it's got a mk82 solomon

and also it's station capture

[junior heron]

@wet root remove Cicada

[wet root]

@junior heron apparently you had asked me to remove all of Cicada's neighbors

[glad aurora]

man, Luna - that's a blast from the past

the ancient laws of bushido that no map should have cover

[wet root]

Any maps I should add other than Tamarack, btw?

[junior heron]

Anyone know how Bulwark Naval Yards is? That's the one I've seen that looks interesting,

[tulip vault]

is that not the untextured one

[noble zodiac]

https://youtu.be/XDDd_70SA9g @wary flame

[junior heron]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3370307031&searchtext=

I think you're thinking of Architect's Cathedral

which also seems to have textures now?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816487751&searchtext=architect's+cathedral

[bitter furnace]

@wary flame another archive video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpsd7EQPzck

[glad aurora]

finally broke my damage record from testing

[wicked mirage]

Well done!

[runic torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOSQ_Y9fbWg

[noble zodiac]

inspired by the expanse

CoaDE shaped ship with radiators

BITING THEM

[rigid bison]

https://tenor.com/view/moon-war-gif-13814935617341219916

The ship in question (derogatory)

[noble zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425835472103931904/1153440540319293532/moon_war_NOW.mp4?ex=6866f436&is=6865a2b6&hm=31bb7dd86c4c660caf88811fce7edc39f048f20356b8503643fff82cd85e834c&

[quiet quiver]

SMH if it was COADE shaped it'd be a big cone for angled armor

[supple sonnet]

If we're really talking realistically, then dispersion is a huge thing. Do you have circular dispersion or is it ovoid, and if so, in what direction?

[glad aurora]

Goddamn, sometimes I get a game that really makes me wonder why SPLIT hasn't been fixed yet

There is no situation in which I would ever want S2 bombers to SPLIT onto a target 4km away from the thing I clicked on

If it's not within 1km of the target I'm clicking on, I don't want it SPLIT onto

Even better, button for 500m, 1km, and 2km SPLIT cutoffs

[wicked mirage]

Ahahahahahahahahahaha

[astral pumice]

oh shit this looks so cool

please let it be good and also can run without constantly crashing like COADE lmao

[rigid bison]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-crazy-cat-cry-gif-25695744

please, can we have a vision of the future that isn't just the space front of ww3?

[wicked mirage]

Yeah i'm pretty excited about this, I already play Neb so this might be awesome too!

[noble zodiac]

heres to hoping they actually balance it to have tactically relevant maneuver

[low monolith]

what is this a parody of?

[junior heron]

dunno

[sharp crow]

it's a long way to tipperary

[wicked mirage]

<@&942093958551588904> Bananaboat night!

[mint sinew]

I'll be late today, but hopefully catch you all for game 2

[junior heron]

well it's just me an Peri right now, so game 2 might be game 1

[junior heron]

completely normal journeyman damage numbers

[wary flame]

sadly I had to miss the Neb tonight

how are the planes

[junior heron]

silly

I think if I hadn't lost a lot of stuff early I could have done a better job swatting enemy caps at the end

as it was, I dove the enemy backline levy with these two double sundrive journeymen, then moved to try and capture stuff

[quiet quiver]

Many such cases

[junior heron]

many :(

my desire to charge into open space once again proving to be my undoing

[quiet quiver]

The death instinct

[wet root]

This is why I like Ocellos, empty space is their natural habitat

(Admittedly, charging is even worse for them)

[mental tusk]

Good (Time of day) fighters! the MFC (ModFleet Fight Club) Encourages you to come down to our weekly
mixed modded fight night. Thanks to a short banlist on our end, you're able to play almost every faction mod you can think of on the workshop to participate in our 3,000 point games! Tonight's first feature match will be an uncapped (up to 50v50!) 1000-points each match on Barbie House, then 5v5 3000-point matches for the remainder of the night. <@&942093958551588904> There is a discord in you want to vc as well ❤️ (150 members) :3

[junior heron]

@wicked mirage you should have thrown this game because then this monstrosity would have also lost

that VLS 2 is 5 entire Active Decoys

[glad aurora]

... I mean, if they're not doing anything else with the back mount...

wait why is it so empty

[junior heron]

so it can afford its two railgun escorts

[glad aurora]

where are the TCs

[mint sinew]

The real question is how expensive is the whole thing? It could be a first attempt at a cheap Solomon to add meat

Yeah, 2k artillery Solly is at least somewhat justifiable

(even if you can get better value in your 2k Solly with the classic cheap bulk tricks)

[mint sinew]

Why invest in DC if you took literally 0 damage

[wicked mirage]

Ahahahahaha

What the hell I didnt even notice xD

That's wild

I was too busy doing 50k damage with my cap fleet lol

@junior heron Join ERI 3!

Lets crush em!

[glad aurora]

who up vauxing they hall

[oak shell]

Dang, good work

[junior heron]

what's upvaux

also dang

[junior heron]

what I feel when I respond to "how's it going" with "it's going":

[glad aurora]

[junior heron]

8 bombers dumped their load for this

[mint sinew]

World's most fine sundrive

[glad aurora]

DCX and RDC on a jman, really? What, are you also using it as a Large Tugboat?

[junior heron]

I said in the pregame "think of these as really really big shuttles"

[glad aurora]

LMAO

[junior heron]

now begins the arduous process of cycling all of this jman's craft into the other jman

[glad aurora]

you know what, fair enough. I should get more funky with it, the funkiest I've gotten lately is a triple levy fleet

[junior heron]

this is the one OSP fleet I've found joy in

recently at least

2x double sundrive journeyman, 5x 200 pt gun shuttle

[noble zodiac]

what the actual shit

[mint sinew]

I've been very impressed by them. They seem to do a bit of work like a cap guard monitor of bullying light cap assets

[junior heron]

Speeder 2 Into the Breach is now going to go taunt the other double-levy fleet by flaunting its survival (contesting the point from the other levy

[junior heron]

the team comp of all time

[mint sinew]

6xmls-2 is such a specific number

[junior heron]

also the other capfleet switched to 2x ocello

[wet root]

I assume that one has a boosted reactor to power the jammer and EWR and the other one doesn't

[olive blade]

I used 6x mls2 a lot

having a few extra proper guns as a secondary weapon setup matters a lot more after the roofgun nerfs

[wicked mirage]

Banana....

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night! Boat Night!

[wicked mirage]

@thick pawn

[junior heron]

?rank Nebulous Fleet Command

[wicked mirage]

There's a bot channel where you type that command!

[oak shell]

The dubious creature

[mint sinew]

Ah yes, the big raines

[wet root]

0/10 no nose ELINT

[past light]

1. That's good
2. "Balconeers" and "disbalanced" are great words

[oak shell]

de-balconied

[glad aurora]

"or of impure intent" is wild phrasing

[sharp crow]

best of luck to them

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone want to play some pub games?

[wet root]

Too busy staring at the worst spreadsheets in the world ;_;

[mint sinew]

Busy debugging code written by an idiot (past me)

[wet root]

The true danger of git blame

[junior heron]

there don't seem to be any lobbies open anyway

[wicked mirage]

I'm stuck in Brazil (at a friend's house)

[mental tusk]

Need some brave souls to fight some modded fleets in~ <@&942093958551588904>

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone want to play some pub games?

[wicked mirage]

I'm in DnD sorry

[glad aurora]

I'd be willing to get one in

[junior heron]

responded as the game started :(

[glad aurora]

😔

[junior heron]

I am playing double sunjourney guncaps, but it's against a bunch of blues

so this could go either way

[mint sinew]

Police frigulous moment. Why pay for a whole axford when one gun frig will do?

[wicked mirage]

Nice!!!

That's awesome

I should give those frigates a try, how are they built?

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> boat night!

[noble zodiac]

to eepy

[oak shell]

oh, give me a minute

[mint sinew]

be on in a sec

[mint sinew]

Hasn't been fully retooled recently but the police pair is basically an all in gun frig and a jam/lock/pd frig. This fleet has the anti bomber HEI S1/sarissa pairing + defender but double aurora works well too

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Ax + Frigs 20250219' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

Verdelite Vanquisher : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD EWar Sensor]
   Malachite Mystery : 'Raines' class Frigate [PD EWar]
      Jasper Jouster : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun]
      Mossy Murderer : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
   Emerald Escalator : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
      Grassy Gremlin : 'Sprinter' class Corvette []
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
          SDM-221 Naginata M8C-XP : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(WAKE) - HE FRAG [7pts]
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
        SGM-111 anti bomber cutie : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [4pts]
           SGM-111 anti void work : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]

[wicked mirage]

I'm in Dondo on Saturday evenings now

DnD

Ripperoni

i work mornings now

[mint sinew]

condolences

[wicked mirage]

Very cool though!

[olive blade]

interesting concept

might give em a try

I guess at 850 for the pair its getting close to a CL in price

[mint sinew]

Not my original idea, but I have been making good use of them

[olive blade]

but does offer some interesting upsides over the CL

[mint sinew]

The CL comparison is super fair, you do struggle to get self ewar coverage on a cheap CL

[olive blade]

yeah they don't come out much cheaper than 1k with stuff, so you are saving a bit

[mint sinew]

And being able to sac the wear/pd escort onto a cap point in a pinch is really nice

[olive blade]

yeah

and a lot smaller rcs and turns better and stuff

[mint sinew]

Much worse in matches without an opposing cap fleet, but you are generally fine to repurpose these as overpriced escorts in those matches

[olive blade]

and you kinda get more useful mount angling and stuff to play with

[olive blade]

any reason the frigs alternate in drive/reactor layout?

[mint sinew]

Not specifically, probably just tweaked one but not the other

[olive blade]

no worries and fire suppression huh, I guess its actually not too bad the more I look at it

[mint sinew]

yeah, after 4x AEs you kinda get 2 luxury modules on an Axford like that one (Mount Gyros, Fire Suppression, 5th AE, Scryer). I've come to quite like the fire suppression as you end up saving a lot of HP over a drawn out firefight

[olive blade]

yeah I mean its at a glance actually pretty good

I had honestly not really considered it

[mint sinew]

reinforced is a big part of that, if you get smacked by missiles it usually lives to help pick you up

[olive blade]

yeah its definitely a little light on the pd for my tastes

but I know this kinda build is popular these days

[mint sinew]

It certainly is a on the greedy end. You could easily up the pd by stripping the fighters and mk62s. However, even with that I don't think you are surviving a serious strike that you can't softkill.

[olive blade]

yeah I mean reasonable

I'd probably just bring some AMMs tbh

to stop the occasional mmt weave missile volley getting in

[wary flame]

rocket container CLN kinda spicy

might resurrect the mixed moorline

[glad aurora]

carrier moorline is categorically worse in every way than cln in the hands of a competent player and versus competent players, so you'd just be shooting yourself in the foot there

[wary flame]

one hangar for a bit more in the way of vision and a couple of bomber wings would be nice, though

I could use the loitering presence

[glad aurora]

nothing a large internal hangar and small pads doesn't give you unless you really want to fuck up some cap sprinters

[wicked mirage]

I got blown up by a gajillion S2's owie xD

[glad aurora]

yeah

[tulip vault]

that cutscene editor is going to steal years of my life isn't it

[junior heron]

lol yeah

[junior heron]

grabbing some food and other whatnot so I may be a couple minutes late to boat night

okay other whatnots did not take as long as expected

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!

[glad aurora]

I am here for when we start

[oak shell]

I need three minutes

[junior heron]

@quiet quiver can you open the voice channels?

[mint sinew]

I'll be about 5 min

[junior heron]

unless they are open and something is wrong on my discord...

[mint sinew]

I can see boat night text channel but no voice channels

[misty storm]

CUTSCENE EDITOR????

[oak shell]

Watch the devlog!

[wet root]

My PC is currently spread across several different desks so probably no Lark today

[junior heron]

nooo :(

[wet root]

But hopefully next week I'll actually be able to play carriers!

[junior heron]

yay!

[wet root]

(Or I'll have died in an electrical fire but that's no more than a 20% chance)

[wicked mirage]

Good luck everyone! I'm in DnD rn

[junior heron]

good luck in dnd

[wet root]

Roll well

[late cedar]

Bruh what is this am I hearing about a cutscene editor

[late cedar]

Damn this cutscene and campaign editor are fire.

But this gives me brain idea. If some insane person makes Lancer Battlegroup ship hulls and systems as a mod...

We can have full on cutscenes with cinematic nebulous fleet command style battles with lancer battlegroup.

[near nova]

i am going to devote myself to relearning this game because there's like no other space games that scratch this particular itch rn

[oak shell]

let us know if you want some help in your practice!

[junior heron]

unburying the thread so I can ping in like a minute, what's our player count looking like today?

<@&942093958551588904> it is the ordained Boat Night Time™!

@runic torrent @quiet quiver could one of you open the boat night voice channels?

[quiet quiver]

Channels open!

[junior heron]

thanks Tech!

[wicked mirage]

We should move Boat Night to Sundays for entirely selfish reasons on my end uwu

[mint sinew]

Sad Australian noises

[junior heron]

my sundays are occupied from about 8am to 5-6pm (us central time)

[wicked mirage]

Just tell your boss you got eaten by a kangaroo and can't come into work monday

[wary flame]

I cannot pile into boats tonight because I must work, but have this

[wicked mirage]

Did you guys win?

[mint sinew]

Twice even

[wicked mirage]

Nice!~ Hell yeah!

[mint sinew]

Tom earned himself a "why is that journeyman armed?!?" Both games

[wicked mirage]

xD

Good job Tom

[oak shell]

I didn't lose a ship in either game

[junior heron]

I kept everything alive in game 2

and with reflection felt like I tied up the capture points pretty well in game 1

so I'm happy

[mint sinew]

You did

You also managed to keep caps under control with roaming vauxhalls in both games which is tough

[runic torrent]

Oh gosh sorry was asleep

[deft current]

Say has someone tested the 450 HE + Plasma combo or is it more economical to use 250 HE and Plasma?

[oak shell]

I favor 250 + plasma on my monitors

But I do have one fleet with two of those and a 450 Ocello

[supple sonnet]

we tested it like a few plasma version ago and found it caused a lot of overpen on axfords espicaialy on liek the bow when oyour broadside. also 250 has better DPS

[noble zodiac]

yeah i would imagine its largely worse than just 250

because you get a range desync

the 450s hit further than the plasma so youre incentivized to waste the range advantage

[mint sinew]

Plasma+450HE is specifically good into Solomons. 250mm or 100mm is more dps when you have a lot of plasma involved but 450HE is very effective at breaking damage threshold

[deft current]

I am incredibly tempted to do one of
My classical revolver ships but with plasma + 450 this time

[mint sinew]

I've seen C65 + offside T81 liners do work before. They are quite expensive and brittle but can probably still work

[glad aurora]

would anyone like to do something fun for my promotion match tomorrow

[wicked mirage]

Potentially! If I'm around and have time. I work for another 7 and a half hours tho

It'd have to be tomorrow

I'll have time Tomorrow aka Tuesday yeah!

[deft current]

So after coming back from a pause: did OSP got hit with the nerf hammer again?

Bc funnily enough all my OSP builds are now off Points while all my ANS fleets are still at 3k

Curious

[mint sinew]

Pretty much. More points got put onto the hulls and taken off things you put on them

[deft current]

I see

Btw what is the better Plasma?

The turret or the casemate one?

And also related:

I never used plasma before, is it like, 1 hit and armor straight up gone or you need to give it constant plasma shooting for the armor stripping to work?

[junior heron]

for most ships yeah, its 1 hit and armor is gone in that spot

[wet root]

AIUI it has armor strip falloff over range

[glad aurora]

plasma cools over time

[wet root]

So you'll 1-shot even Sollie armor at close range (<3.4k) but only remove 20cm at max range

[junior heron]

I would generally say the turret is better: it has an autoloader, so it can share a buff module with the 100mm turret (Rapid Cycle Cradle, which lets it empty the autoloader faster).

[deft current]

Solomon has how much armor again?

[junior heron]

I think the casemate has a little more health

[wet root]

56cm

Casemate has a lot more health I think

[glad aurora]

these days plas250 is better than plas100

because of the extra HP

250 also does more damage

[deft current]

Well I as always never do sensible designs so today I wanna do Plas450

[wet root]

Turrets can also use roof 250s which is nice

And Hammerheads

[wet root]

500hp/40dt on the casemate vs 300hp/15dt on the turret

[deft current]

I may slightly forgot something

-1200 Kw

Turret even is fucking 1500 Kw

[wet root]

If you're going plas/450 you could mix casemates and 450s to save power

[deft current]

Actually it is easy to handle it seems

1 Plas-Case/3 450 for each side per Lineship

And bc I use revolver tactic to cope with the Casemate reload time anyways the 15sec Plasma reload feels like nothing in comparison

[deft current]

Wait this would mean with 4 shots I’ve essentially just nuked the Solomon’s armor?

[glad aurora]

assuming they all hit the same spot (they won't) and assuming your follow-ups hit the spot you armor stripped (they won't)

[deft current]

Okay so News in the Test field

My god

Right when my 450 run out I can make 2 Plasma shoots per side

And when the 2nd plasma happens right on time when the 450 run out

My OCD self is pleased with this

*the lineship template I’ve also made has the perfect mix of Rapid cycle and Ammo Elevator that when one side finishes and I revolver to the next side when that 2nd side is empty the 1st one is back fully loaded where I can revolver back

Also question: does Analysis Annex still only work with Intelligence center only or does it now work Standalone too?

I remember the description said it but now I don’t find it so I wonder if there was a update to that

[wet root]

It still just buffs existing intel, I believe - so technically it helps with any CIC's built-in intel as well, but that's basically irrelevant except for Citadel CICs, and probably not worth it for anything without an Intel Center

[mint sinew]

One of the secrets with 450+plasma is that you only need a single long range hit in a spot for 450HE to pen a Solomon at a reasonable angle. No need to fully strip it, just a light dusting

[quiet quiver]

But also not exactly worth the cost even with an Intel Center

[wet root]

Yeah...

[junior heron]

just learning that I've had my Activer Decoys set to Offensive this whole time...

since modular craft update

[glad aurora]

🎉

[junior heron]

🎉

[wary flame]

⭐

[quiet quiver]

I thought you didn't one of those until admiral

[wary flame]

nah, when you reach admiral they just put on your rank badge

[junior heron]

I'm almost* to RADM
*for a given definition of "almost"

like, 80%? maybe more

[wet root]

I thought this was intentional, so you could have ACMs on defensive with no target and z-prio them without launching activest decoys

[junior heron]

I think I generally rely on the PD controller to fire all my SDM-2s into a rock, and use PD-prio to launch

relatedly I would like (and suggested on nebcord) a "Prioritize PD turret only" key/remove defensive missile programming time

[noble zodiac]

defensive missile programming time

thats not real

[mint sinew]

It is if you manually fire them, which is what I think Tom is talking about

[noble zodiac]

missiles fired as AMMs by the pd controller (whether no-target Zprio'd or normally) dont have a programming time

[noble zodiac]

ah

[mint sinew]

Now that's there to stop you just marking your antiship missiles as defensive but I'm sure that can be worked around somehow

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> would anyone like to play some pub games?

(assuming there are any lobbies, it looks quiet right now)

[misty storm]

YIPEEEEEE

[wet root]

Didn't they already change it so defensive missiles don't acquire ships with their seekers?

Specifically because of this

[mint sinew]

It's currently "missiles launched by the pd controller" that have their seekers blind to ships. That's how I historically get away with my dual purpose SSJ + HEI containers

[covert garnet]

Is sea power better now? Looking for a new game.

[junior heron]

we lost the game but I won the moral victory

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night! How's our count looking today?

[oak shell]

<@&942093958551588904> game two starting in a few minutes

[wet root]

I hate my router so much

[junior heron]

:(

you deserve these 30 points

[wet root]

Very gg though, I regret that I can't see the AAR

Those containers swinging around and collateralling my frigate were tragic

[junior heron]

there's the report, but it looks like the online skirmish report viewer is down

[wet root]

Yeah hasn't been updated since Carriers

[junior heron]

anyhign in particular yo uwant to see? i've still got it open

[wet root]

1 sec

[junior heron]

you have 1 minute

[mint sinew]

I was complaining/complementing the Pyre for surviving my light strike long enough to cap the point

[junior heron]

enemy intel acquired

btw jorden, any idea what's up with the CM-411 vs CM-410 there?

[wet root]

(0 expended from the 411s, 113% expended from the 410s)

[mint sinew]

Guessing submunitions don't track where they came from well

[junior heron]

also, I was saying this in team chat but I'll repeat it in text: I think the shortstop rocket boxes are a good reason to approach points on 1/3 or 2/3 speed

(after flanking most of the way there)

[glad aurora]

nah, thermval won't ever validate sprinters from the front

the problem is that shortstops mean you have to have chaff between you and the box

[mint sinew]

Hence the slow approach speed

Much easier to chaff and break at 1/3

[glad aurora]

the 5km seeker acquires you, then at 2km the fixed seeker acquires the first target it sees and kills you

I'm not sure if slowing down approach changes that

fair

but the enemy team having a points lead because they don't have to do that can be crippling on maps like pillars

[mint sinew]

It's like mineclearing

[junior heron]

I haven't played pillars in a while, I don't think we play many 2 natural 1 contested point maps anymore

[mint sinew]

Yeah that's a big issue with pillars-likes in general. If you really want to go down that rabbit hole then you can return to smiting the OSP naturals with an early hydrid strike

[glad aurora]

Oh, I do, but OSP has enough free points they can put shuttle pairs on the naturals

since CLN is horrendously undercosted

[wet root]

If you're rolled so that chaff box is between you and the missiles, I'm pretty sure at 1/3 speed the chaff pops ahead of you

[glad aurora]

The trick is anticipating the direction

[wet root]

At 1/3 speed you can also just hop behind your chaff before the missiles get in range

[covert garnet]

Yeah, in battle report submu somehow doesn't counted as launched. But I did fired all of them.

And there are ez ways for cappers to make shortstop shenanigans doesn't work: another jammer clipper jamming the seekers out while cappers pull backwards and chaff.

No need to approach cao points slowly.

[runic torrent]

damn https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3248808122&searchtext=tannhauser

just saw this down in the boat night channel

any map called tannhauser gate immediately earns a squee from me

this looks so cool

@olive blade @sharp crow @arctic magnet

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/2510276327831807356/446282F06C770FB74B2BB1020BBEFCF9E324A50C/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[olive blade]

oo

[late cedar]

Purble

[junior heron]

awakening the thread from cold sleep to prepare for boat night day

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!

[oak shell]

My internet has been having trouble, so I might not be able to play

[junior heron]

OSP AdvRadar Skiff detects Sprinters at:
Bottom-on (9020): 7.2km
Front-on (9838): 6.9km
Side-on (7332): 6.4km
Down-Side-Angle (7939): 6km

doing some testing, figure someone might apprecaite the numbers

like in the days of old

refining the doublesunjourney guncap fleet

[junior heron]

And for frigates:
Top-on (8741): 7.8km
Side-on (6134): 7.7km
Front-on (3651): 7.5km
Angled (5121): 5.6km

so I probably angled the first sprinter wrong

or the raines just gets an absolutely huge advantage to angling

[glad aurora]

I think it's more just that angling is very sensitive

[junior heron]

notable improvements include: the fighters now actually have their SDM-2s in the loadout

[wet root]

Both, I suspect

[wet root]

I'm afraid I won't be able to spin up the pnet server tonight, FYI

[mint sinew]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone for boat night?

[wary flame]

unfortunately at birthday dinner, will have to be next week

[rigid bison]

I will need to un-install some mods but I will be able to boats

[junior heron]

Sorry I missed it, playing board games with family :(
I will hopefully be around next week, and will be around during the week. I'm still really excited to play Nebulous, and it really is best with a stack.

[mint sinew]

Unfortunately I'll be out for the next few weekends

[junior heron]

preparing or a pub game of all time

[oak shell]

wow

How do you get a monitor to 300 points?

[wet root]

I should be around next Saturday, I might even get around to making a new carrier

[glad aurora]

gun, rapid DC, one buff module if that, done

[wet root]

They don't all need reactor/radar/pinpoint/chaff either

Though some redundancy is strongly recommended

Personally I'd probably prefer mixing in some tugs for cheaper sensors and some ewar, bring the MNs up to like 350 apiece

[olive blade]

yeah I dunno if its that much tougher or more firepower than 5 good tugs

[junior heron]

they just kind of floated across nyx and died in the enemy spawn
but killed enough stuff that we won on caps after rocket shuttles killed the levy and sprinters

I had to secure a last minute point by torping a vaux, then failed to actually get bombs on it and had to scramble some sturgeons with k15 bombs instead

[wet root]

I think it's worse against a lot of things but significantly better against triple Vaux

[olive blade]

hmm thats probably true

though I think monitors are ok against that in general

[junior heron]

and then the game crashed ;_;

[wet root]

Is that entirely PD?

[junior heron]

I think so

I saw it and decided that I should not fly closer for more visual inspection

[wet root]

But how do you know they actually brought ammo

[junior heron]

it was shooting at me I think

but an ocello looked at it

so I think that's why it didn't kill me

[wet root]

It could have been a tactical ruse, like frogs that aren't actually toxic being brightly-coloured anyway

Ah, shy Vaux

[junior heron]

Finishing up an Arkham Horror mission, will be a bit late.

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Okay I'm late but if anyone's up for boat night I'm around now!

[wicked mirage]

In DnD :c

[oak shell]

I can't attend this weekend

[wet root]

Just a very low energy day for me today

[gentle cloud]

right
me and a friend are playing a game with a 4k limit
Current fleet is 2 scout sprinters (pinards and bullseye), 2 picket Raines (2 stonewall, 2 sarissa), leaving me about 3k ish points to go. I am not sure weather to next for 1 solomon, 2 axfords or 1 axford

[mint sinew]

In the context of 3k fleets 2 X 1.5k Axfords or 1 Solomon (~2.4k) + escorts are the classic configurations. I imagine the Axfords would fit more naturally here if you are primarily looking to hold a frontline.

Another option would be to go for the Solly and spend the excess on a cheapish beam keystone that you can use to blunt pushes in places your Solomon can't cover easily

[gentle cloud]

related:
If I wanted to add a hanger to the solly/axford, what would the best setups be?

[mint sinew]

Usually you plant one where the large aft mount is. (You should be bow on to whatever you are fighting anyway so you won't miss the gun)

As for the craft popular options are coilgun tantos for missile defence or elint skiffs for recon

[gentle cloud]

although
I do have picket and souct ships already

[spark pendant]

ive been thinking about getting back into nebulous

i havent played in....a WHILE

anything i should know?

[glad aurora]

bring omnisoftkill

[spark pendant]

I see!

what is....that

[glad aurora]

command jam + chaff + flares + (if OSP, offset EO jammer) + (if ANS, "killjoy" seekerless defensive S2 with BSSJ)

well, if ANS or 2x ocello OSP fleet

[spark pendant]

I see

so basically every single type of jamming technology?

[glad aurora]

yep

if you can softkill a mixed salvo of CMD/SAH + CMD/HOJ + CMD/WAKE you can survive carrier & CLN

[spark pendant]

i see

[junior heron]

Oh hey Karen
Did you play when the second faction, OSP, was a thing?

Anyway the big looming thing that changed was carriers

[spark pendant]

barely

i havent played in SO long i might do a bunch of bot matches tonight just to like

test out the mechanics again haha

[glad aurora]

good idea

[oak shell]

I could hop into a game today

If you want someone to join you for bot matches @spark pendant

[spark pendant]

maybe!!!!

ill be up for it in like, an hour?

[junior heron]

oh dang, the ocello can take a medium hangar

because it's ANS

oh but the small hangar has better HP

[oak shell]

The potential for even worse creatures grows

[glad aurora]

the ocello can't mount a hangar anywhere but a gun slot, so it effectively can't take hangars

[junior heron]

guns are too expensive for this supportcello

[wet root]

Brb making Plas/Railgun/Hangar Ocello

[wet root]

With side 250 casemates

[junior heron]

bear witness to the creature

[glad aurora]

🔨

[oak shell]

Takes a medium hangar, only puts in 1 plane

[wet root]

"Guns are too expensive", with 400 points of PD

[junior heron]

yeah

gotta find points to fit a radar skiff

so I can EMCON on the ocello

and still have PD acquire

[wet root]

I feel like surely you can squish the spinship a bit and put real guns on the Ocello

[junior heron]

the ocello doesn't need guns

it needs to protect the thing that has the guns

[wet root]

I'm very skeptical this actually gets more 450 rpm than if the Ocello had guns and the spinship had the hangar

[junior heron]

unfortunately you're probably right

[wet root]

(Not even accounting for time to bear to target)

[spark pendant]

oh nevermind im forced to watch bright with friends

[junior heron]

unlucky

[olive blade]

my condolences

you should demand compensation from your friends for making you watch that film

[junior heron]

Wheneverly reminder that the tugboat was very briefly named the Stormbolt

[ionic bluff]

I saw a clip of a vtuber playing neb and what do I hear in the background but the pnet crew

[mint sinew]

Ambush tactics alive and well

[spark pendant]

It was their birthday

And for their birthday celebration we watched bright

It truly was….a movie.

I mean, really it was truly a 6/10 movie. Maybe a 5/10

[quiet quiver]

Yeah it has some fun moments and also some "they really wrote that line, huh?" moments

[spark pendant]

Yeah

I made a statement that i would try to only enjoy each scene in isolation from itself without the weight of the rest of the movie

And it was still, truly, a 6/10

That’s the best most optimistic rating I can give it

[wet root]

I'll be on in a few mins

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!
How's our player count looking today?

[oak shell]

I'm dropping a night sky on some players today

[shut ridge]

Im down

[olive blade]

that is intensely charitable imo

[spark pendant]

no yeah it really is intensely charitable and only the result of me attempting to keep my sanity after watching bright

not a good movie by any means

and we kept muttering "it could have been his star wars..." like we were all mad

[shadow matrix]

it could have been his star wars

[spark pendant]

it could have been his star wars...

[olive blade]

it could have been his star wars

[spark pendant]

75% of the way through i said "it just sorta hit me that we're watching bright"

this movie is cursed

[olive blade]

there is some weird thing that possesses people to make media about race in america, but kinda forget what they are doing and mangle the metaphors

[oak shell]

<@&942093958551588904> would anyone like to boat

[junior heron]

yeah!

[gusty imp]

Oh. I didn't realize Bright conversation happened in this channel too.
Hi. It was me. I coerced Karen into watching Bright with the power of friendship and birthdays.

[oak shell]

You should come play Nebulous, too!

[gusty imp]

Not today. In the process of resetting my sleep and have been awake for 15 hours.
It is a game i want to figure out how to play decently at some point though.

[spark pendant]

Tonight I’ll be going through some tutorials

[gusty imp]

Yeah I was watching some of those a bit ago. Need to implement some of the stuff talked about in them and actually make stuff in the game. Without that it's all just half remembered information.

[rigid bison]

so, how does one get good at carriers?

[junior heron]

as with most things, patience and practice
for a less facetious answer, general map awareness is the big answer - kill isolated cap ships, then get large squadrons to take out important high-value targets

[olive blade]

also just practice microing and managing multiple things at once

is a good one

[oak shell]

I will be a few minutes late to boat night

[junior heron]

ah, but you will be at boat night

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!

I wanted to ask earlier but then just got focused on a neb game instead, what's the count looking like today?

[wet root]

I'm running a bit late but I'll be around if there's a game 2

[junior heron]

I have actually gotten into a Canyon game in a pub match and honestly forgot how much I love this map

[junior heron]

I'll be late for regular start time but will ping for boat night if nobody else has once I'm around.

[oak shell]

I'm away from Good Screen this weekend :(

[junior heron]

RIP :(

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!

[wet root]

Not feeling very boaty today, srry

[junior heron]

RIP

[supple sonnet]

Good news we can finally play this game

[olive blade]

oh nice!

[runic torrent]

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[junior heron]

I've got this sitting on my clipboard but I want to brag somewhere that my plane got almost as much damage as someone's s3h HEKP vauxhall

now, they did disconnect mid match and drop an actual creature in my lap

but that's besides the point

[glad aurora]

average pub s3hekp vauxhall moment

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!

[wicked mirage]

Suffers in DnD have fun everyone!!

[wary flame]

I cannot boat today because I'm at a conference but on the lunchtime walk I located a local cargo feeder

[wet root]

Watch out for gales

[supple sonnet]

Currently grinding through the tutorials so we can remember how to actually play this game. Looking forward to playing with y’all

[supple sonnet]

:O

[junior heron]

Glad to have you! Boat night itself has been pretty quiet and mid-week pings are pretty rare nowadays, but happy to have you around.
Maybe I'll remember to ping for pub games more often...

[supple sonnet]

Got to play our first ever game today. Great fun

Did die

But that’s part of the process

[wet root]

If your ships all survive until the end of the match you're playing too cautious

[noble zodiac]

unless youre playing vauxhalls

or carriers or yub

but mostly vauxhalls

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Anyone for some pub games?

[mint sinew]

Alas I must work

[wet root]

Sameulous :(

[supple sonnet]

Probably could do that

TomZero (Tommy, he/him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) <@&942093958551588904> Anyone for some pub games?

[junior heron]

unfortunately the lobby I was just in disintegrated

so I'll sit in ERI 6

[supple sonnet]

Cool

[junior heron]

I'm also in voice down below the regular hangouts

got a faction preference?

[supple sonnet]

I’m pretty new so either is fine

[wicked mirage]

I'm around if you wanna play some?

[junior heron]

@plain ice would you like some post-game advice?

[supple sonnet]

Sure!

[junior heron]

Alrighty, Pyrope might have some other stuff to chime in but a few small things:

1. ultimately the game is control point skirmish, which means needing to push onto the points. It was pretty hard both games, but it's often necessary to play a bit agressive to make room for your smaller ships to get onto points.
2. playing agressive means needing to start in a position where you can fire pretty soon after spotting the enemy. I think in both games you deployed center-ish and had to rotate around the flank - ideally you push with the other frontline if you're playing a big heavy asset like the axford or line ships.

And most of both of those comes with learning the maps and how to navigate the 3d space, which only comes with practice. Just some things to maybe focus on while learning

[supple sonnet]

That’s fair yeah

I was playing more aggressively in my matches yesterday but these matches just felt a bit different

[junior heron]

Yeah, and this advice can go too far too.
Every time I come back to Nebulous after a break I spend 1-3 games just running out of cover and dying horribly, so finding the right balance is a careful balancing act.

And that's purely on the aggressive <---> defensive spectrum, there's always a hundred other factors in any given game.
Neb's a complicated game to learn! But I hope you enjoy it.

[glad aurora]

You know, I was going to make a joke about becoming a creature of pure, unfettered aggression, and then I tried to think of a fleet archetype where you can actually get away with that and hit a brick wall.

Tugswarm with no vauxhalls on the enemy team, maybe? But no, tugs got center stack nerfed.

Everyone and their mother plays MN blobs, so sprinter swarms aren't exactly favored.

[junior heron]

I feel like in theory that's wolfpack beamstone blob, but the current environment makes it a bit hard.

[glad aurora]

indeed, 3k of beamstone runs straight into the dies to R3 situation

[junior heron]

I did get absolutely melted by a 5 beamstone formation today, but that's because I had to try and put a journeyman on a tumblebeam point

[mint sinew]

Pentabrick is the classic example of "No thoughts, only violence" imo

Some of the direct missile spam builds like torp liners probably qualify, but they aren't in a good spot atm

[restive monolith]

Thinking of getting this game. Someone showed it to me n it seemed really cool

[oak shell]

It's a good game I think. Join us!

Do you have questions to help make your decision?

[restive monolith]

Probably but I'm doing things n stuff rn so I'll ask some stuff later probably.

I dunno uh like I should probably check first if my laptop can even handle it. Other than that I don't really know what to ask. I like to be sort of sneaky and agile n quick n such n sneak up on people and surprise them. I was also kinda wondering how many ships there are roughly like the different hulls I guess and what kinda weapons there are and what kinda builds stuff usually turns into as in builds for a single ship. And how this turns into fleets. Idk I feel like I'm asking a lot I wouldn't even be able to understand right away but bleh :P

[oak shell]

There are 2 factions. Each faction has 7 ship types. Fleets are generally 3-6 ships, but you can go as few as 1 and as many as 10. Sneaking is very viable, as radar has limited range and maps have a lot of cover.

[glad aurora]

(but it should be supplemented with electronic warfare and methods of killing scout planes)

[restive monolith]

Mmhm

So what's the difference between the 2 factions then?

[oak shell]

Everything except some of the missiles

[restive monolith]

Ah

[junior heron]

That's pretty hard to answer because despite sometimes being pitched as "this is the [missile/carrier/ambush/whatever] faction" both ANS and OSP have been molded to fit into being able to interact with the whole game.
So generally, ANS will have fewer ships more specialized to a specific purpose (missile frigate, beam destroyer, light/heavy gun cruiser), and can usually supplement themselves with a backpack toolbox, usually of missiles.
OSP meanwhile can field more hulls with more guns, but need to have specific answers to specific problems (need a long range tracking tugboat to fire those bigger guns, need plasma to open up their high-damage-low-armor-penetration ammo).

[restive monolith]

Mm interesting

I tend to like specialising my ships n not really going for general purpose stuff

[junior heron]

Agile and sneaky probably lends itself to light cruisers on ANS, especially with supplementary jamming, but could also be missile corvettes or even beam destroyers if you're willing to lose a bit on the "agile" side.
For OSP that's looking like rocket shuttles or multi-mission tugboats, though Lark also plays a really good "sneaky" (read: can't see it through jamming) and agile Ocello group.

[wet root]

:3

For another type of "sneaky", there's carriers and cruise missile play

You want to hide your actual ship with those, but more importantly, they both want to be sending their strikes on roundabout paths to pick off isolated or vulnerable targets - the longer your strike remains undetected (out of range, behind rocks, behind jamming) the more likely it is to be successful

[wet root]

Honestly I would consider ANS more of the generalist faction, while OSP tends to have a hull for each specific purpose

With the exception of Keystones

(And Ocellos on OSP but that's because they are ANS)

Any hull on ANS might have good radar and good guns and good EWAR and good PD and good missiles at the same time

While OSP would usually prefer to have a specialized gunboat escorted by a PD cutter supported by an EWAR/radar tug etc.

[supple sonnet]

Yeah ANS tends to default to the “do a bit of everything” faction while OSP is very strict on what a hull can do

[wet root]

But really if you're learning the game the best way to decide on a faction is try playing each of them, they're different in enough ways that it's infeasible to get a good idea of all their strengths and weaknesses from a description

[supple sonnet]

The tutorial is pretty extensive. There’s single player skirmish, and some pre-made fleets for you to test things out

Plus the nebulous server is newbie-friendly

[junior heron]

and so is the pilot net server :P

[wet root]

Oh, I've heard good things about that one, could I get an invite link?

[junior heron]

I think it's especially important to learn to play both factions
This isn't starcraft where you might end up in a mirror match and the game expects that.
At its core, the game is ANS vs OSP and needs players to fill both halves of the lobby.

[junior heron]

https://discord.gg/lancer

[wet root]

Also due to the information asymmetry in a match, it's pretty difficult to get a good handle on what the other faction can do and how they do it if you only play one side

[mint sinew]

Ocello + swarm escort is an older fleet archetype that still has some legs. Bring some sensors, jamming cover and cheap gun tugs.

So just fill your points with a jam tug and a few cheap gun tugs

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Expedition WIP' is composed of 2 ships that cost 2234 points:

One Giant Leap : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD Missile Sensor]
         Fluke : 'Draugr' class Clipper [Sensor Gun PD]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-206 Thunderhead : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [6pts]

[supple sonnet]

yeah atm it looks like this

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Expedition WIP' is composed of 2 ships that cost 2234 points:

One Giant Leap : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD Missile Sensor]
         Fluke : 'Draugr' class Clipper [Sensor Gun PD]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-206 Thunderhead : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [6pts]

[mint sinew]

Ah, I see where all your points went

The S2 complement on the Ocello is going to struggle to make its value in a multiplayer game

[supple sonnet]

yeahhhh

we're new to this so it's a 1-1 copy of the fleet comp from the campaign

[mint sinew]

Take a look at the TF Cobalt Ocellos for a good standard MP ocello

[supple sonnet]

yeah we're doing some peer review over in the nebulous server as well

[mint sinew]

The key differences you'll see is that the "meta" Ocello is 450mm (so it can tangle with ans capitals), heavy pd and cutting the internals a bit leaner

[supple sonnet]

we were thinking it was a tad excessive

[mint sinew]

"Exception to the Rule" is exactly that and gets to mess around with fleets that wouldn't quite work out in MP

[supple sonnet]

Fair enough

Ah well, was a fun idea

[restive monolith]

I think I'll try to finish my space engineers ship I'm working on and then check out this game further before I decide.

[supple sonnet]

If I am using Semi-Active homing, what should I use to validate it so it does not try to explode chaff?

[junior heron]

In theory ARAD or Wake, but usually you want to avoid illuminating the chaff in the first place

[glad aurora]

(spotlight, not flood)

(flood is for self-illum and anti-jamming)

[junior heron]

Either by angling, microing the illumination away from the chaff but keeping the target in the beam, or by using a very tight illuminator like the pike's mountable

[supple sonnet]

putting hand up. What is self-illumination for?

[glad aurora]

softkill

you illuminate your own chaff to defeat SAH

[junior heron]

my understanding is pointing it at your own chaff behind you

[glad aurora]

you point it at your own chaff such that you illuminate the face of your chaff that the incoming SAH seeker can see

[junior heron]

not, like, pointing a spotlight at your own ship

[glad aurora]

which gets... complicated vs. SAH-backup containers or some bomber types

[supple sonnet]

I see. Typically we do not use semi-active, so this is a learning experience.

[mint sinew]

The nominal advantage of using SAH is that they only see what you paint. So trick one is to only illuminate ships where you can. That often involves manually aiming your illuminator so that the cone is centred off to the side your target to avoid their chaff

[junior heron]

also it's cheap

[glad aurora]

well, its other advantage is a go-straight backup

but that's complicated

[junior heron]

you can afford a lot more SAH missiles than EO

[mint sinew]

If you are worried about them painting their own chaff or your inability to dance around the chaff [ARAD] is a great backup because chaff can't have any emissions

[junior heron]

also @wet root I know we haven't really used the PNET server much lately, but there was an update that looks like it affected server versions too.

[mint sinew]

Active decoys do, but let's not worry about third order problems too hard here

[junior heron]

No gameplay update, just fixing a security thing

but you can truthfully say that the Conquest branch was updated today

[glad aurora]

the main problem is that sah/[arad] gets owned by jamming

I generally prefer sah/hoj since at least that only gets fucked by offset jamming

[supple sonnet]

[junior heron]

Get Activer Decoy-ed

[supple sonnet]

We're playing in a modded PvPvE campaign, so we're not sure what potential enemies might be bringing. However, a weird slot on our ships has gotten us to finally bring a jammer.

[glad aurora]

I assume Cassie is posting from the perspective of AN - OSP finds it much harder to... ah

okay, well, then nothing we say really matters

[mint sinew]

I personally use a split of SAH/HOJ and SAH/WAKE but I trust my illum micro, but this is about "intro to gales" and not a masterclass

[glad aurora]

at least, softkill-wise

[supple sonnet]

I am currently having issues with weaving S3s simply refusing to hit the target.

[glad aurora]

... S3s?

[supple sonnet]

Sorry, corkscrewing S3s.

[mint sinew]

Vanilla torps?

[glad aurora]

well, those are a solved design

[supple sonnet]

Oh are they?

[mint sinew]

Or a mod missile?

[supple sonnet]

Mod missile, but I should be able to replicate the statistics. ^.^

[glad aurora]

CMD/SAH or CMD/HOJ or an even split of the two, corkscrew at 3-3.2g, adjust warhead versus range to your preference and use case (bomber torps have much bigger warheads than ship-launched ones)

that's The™ torp

also AN bombers use a split of ARAD/ACT + ACT/[ARAD] or pure ARAD/ACT a lot, but you aren't using bombers

because OSP players just don't want to bother softkilling ARAD/ACT for some reason so it's pretty free in pubs

[mint sinew]

Mod missile is harder to diagnose. The 3g+ number from the torps is probably a good baseline but it depends on how fast the missile is going. Hybrid sprint stages obviously need much more

[supple sonnet]

It was at 1.2G.

[glad aurora]

yeah, if you mean S3H that's not solv-

ah

[mint sinew]

Yeah, that is probably your issue

[oblique jacinth]

But yes, thank you everyone for helping this old vulpine woman learn how to use missiles better. 🙇‍♀️

[glad aurora]

It's a long road to walk, ha.

I was still learning new things about missiles a thousand hours into the game.

[mint sinew]

But when designing for terminals they aren't free on your engine. Asking your missiles to follow a high acceleration path while also aiming onto the target is going to cause misses if the engine can't keep up.

Weave is more forgiving about this as odds are good that it will overshoot into the side of the target if it does miss a little. Meanwhile a corkscrewing missile that didn't quite pull itself around in time gets yeeted into the void

If you are shooting at small/nimble targets you need even more acceleration out of your engine, especially with terminals

[wet root]

Ty for the heads up, it should be fine as-is since it's actually downloading and creating a new server whenever I spin it up

But I'll keep an eye on it

Did they ever fix the thing where you can get enough Gs on cork that PD set to point won't target the missiles?

[junior heron]

I just want to believe in the big boat night...

[mint sinew]

I don't recall seeing a fix for it, but I could have forgotten

It's an emergent problem from the "your ships only operate on the information available" mechanic rather than knowing for certain that the missile is targeting them

[wet root]

Yeah, but it's hardly unresolvable

E.g. have it average the trajectory over the last couple seconds instead of using the instantaneous one

(When determining target)

[mint sinew]

For sure

[supple sonnet]

We shall personally admit to being quite shit at using missiles. Tbf it’s a learned skill and we’ve only got about 20 hours in game and probably half of that is just messing around in the fleet editor

[glad aurora]

You have many more hours of being shit at using missiles to go, then, just like everyone else.

[supple sonnet]

Indeed

Planning on attending the community event happening tomorrow in the nebulous server so we can learn how to CL better

[glad aurora]

ah, there goes the rest of my FPS

[supple sonnet]

The match we’re in has 5 people spectating ourself included

Is very dumb

Sorry 6 people spectating in total

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!
Not seeing a PNET so we're going to have to stack a pub.

[wet root]

Oop I can spin that up in a bit

Also I'll be around for game 2, just getting foods first

[junior heron]

@restive monolith If you're interested in spectating, you can grab the Nebulous role and join the boat-night voice channels, and I'll stream.

[restive monolith]

Alright another time though since it's too late for me

[junior heron]

ah, fair enough.
This is the usual boat night time, though if now is late I do worry if schedules will ever line up...

[junior heron]

@wicked mirage thank's for helping me build this axford, it did good

35mm slug gaming

[wicked mirage]

Hell yeah!!!

[supple sonnet]

Ah dammit, slept in

TomZero (Tommy, he/him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) <@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!
Not seeing a PNET so we're going to have to stack a pub.

Looks like they're still going.

[junior heron]

thank you for the boat night! glad to have a full team again!

[supple sonnet]

just got done our most fun game thus far in nebulous

triple vaux fleet, got like 12 kills

[oak shell]

hell yeah

Light cruiser gaming is the most fun I have in Nebulous

[supple sonnet]

yeah we took part in the fight night over in the nebulous server that was entirely centered on learning CLs

[olive blade]

good stuff

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/887570/view/524229329545071611

[misty storm]

oh shiiiiiiiit

[mint sinew]

This is a hidden gem, especially for the rougher mod maps

[glad aurora]

Damn, I think the EMCON changes probably significantly affect my standoff S2 meme build. Shame.

Very excited to finally see the AMM matrix come to the game.

also: lmao get fucked CMD/SAH/etc CLNs

[junior heron]

I'm really glad that this is the result for pike

[glad aurora]

as typical, though, removes a cool and underused build to nerf the most overperforming example (missile/craft hybrid CLNs no longer work)

[junior heron]

and that the EO wasn't removed entirely

[quiet quiver]

It's hit hard but not gone entirely, 1-2 bank launchers and 1 CDA still puts you at 5-6 channels

[quiet quiver]

Same, yeah

[glad aurora]

Having to take the CDA is a bit painful, but I suppose it might still work, yeah.

[junior heron]

anyway, this has buffed me with 10 extra DT on beam turrets

• Spacecraft groups that take more than 1.5x the expected amount of time to RTB because they are stuck on terrain, or any other reason, will now teleport back to their carrier.

I think this will also be really nice

[wet root]

Isn't this basically removing the EO ball? Visual track is terrible position and velocity accuracy, and no visual intel

[bitter furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguin-gif-10261724

[junior heron]

still gives visual once you've IDed it

[glad aurora]

it's making it more of a way to help pierce jamming instead of the thing that makes vauxhalls no longer real lmao

[wet root]

Completed intelligence, not just ID'd

[glad aurora]

or the thing that hands perfect tracks to the railcello from 20km away

[wet root]

Yeah I'm very happy to see it nerfed, don't get me wrong

[junior heron]

intel effort is 10

intel center is 15

[wet root]

Oh interesting didn't realize it has its own intel

[junior heron]

yeah

[wet root]

Okay yeah I like that

[junior heron]

yeah!

[mint sinew]

So that's ~45 seconds of time on target to fully ID a ship

[quiet quiver]

Also faster ID than anything else but an intel center on the team

[wet root]

With that velocity error it's mostly for the ID now, which is nifty

D: my Hammerhead C1s ;_;

(Definitely for the best to remove them, but still)

[supple sonnet]

Oh hey funnily enough the EO pike was brought up in the learning CLs community event yesterday as “the thing that everyone brings to murder vauxhalls with”

Glad to see it brought down a little

[mint sinew]

Need to go juggle some points to fit bloodhound tugs back into some fleets again, lest jam happy vauxhalls get away with murder

[rigid bison]

Thought: Nerfing Pikes means its more likely that beam ships can close to engage without being focused

[quiet quiver]

Oh hey exactly my question but I didn't want to bother her

[wary flame]

Vauxes were already being spammed, I imagine that will continue

MN ball go

[glad aurora]

Vauxes were being spammed because capitals tended to be CLN food, I imagine

[mint sinew]

Did some quick testing for the new EO stats and it turns out that it is actually a lot better than visual in practice. That seems to be because the pike track goes into the normal pool of network tracks for your ships to pick the best from.

That means that if you have any real radar track with poor position accuracy but decent velocity accuracy (e.g. Huntress) then the strength of both combine directly

Obviously suffers more under total jamming, but then you are back into "better than nothing" territory

[quiet quiver]

XD

• Fixed the deprecated Moorline hull not having it's hull-missilechannels stat changed to match the active version.

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> would anyone like to play some pub games?

[glad aurora]

Perhaps I finally give in to the voices and reinstall...

[mental tusk]

Y’all are also welcome to use my dedi for modded games as well (cause I run the modded Neb community)

c:

I’d be happy to ping my crew too.

[junior heron]

Thanks for the offer, though I myself am not really interested in modded games.

[wicked mirage]

I like mods when they're not buggy, they're balanced, and it's not Mario Party in space. Got any like that?

By Mario Party in space I mean a bunch of mods thrown together while throwing balance and narrative cohesion out the window xD

[junior heron]

was gonna ask what that meant

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> Boat Night!

[oak shell]

Can't do today, sorry

[oak shell]

<@&942093958551588904> I missed boat night, can anyone boats now?

[junior heron]

I can do a game or two

minor thing I missed with the last update: there's symbols on the deploy cones now!

[tulip vault]

ooh that's sweet

[olive blade]

thats so handy

[deft current]

Oh boy new balance patch

Know what this means

"All my builds are now broken and have to re do them"

…yay

Edit: nvm it’s just the liners that got messed up

[junior heron]

Liners and SDM-2, and also CLN

[wary flame]

the liners are fairly easy fixes at least

most of them got cheaper to fully outfit

[covert garnet]

And cln get nerfed so hard that they are in even worse place then late 2024, during which cln are considered as throw

[wary flame]

You know I'd have expected these nerfs to be relatively mild for once, what deep sixed it so hard?

[junior heron]

Only big hit was the rocket submunition cost increase, and the pike illuminator cone.
It's a lot more vulnerable now too, but usually getting hit at all was a loss condition for the CLN on the first place in my experience

[glad aurora]

my general sentiment is "I will care about CLN players complaining about CMD/SAH bombtainer pike CLN nerfs and the infinite shortstop magdepth only when I somehow forget that having a good CLN meant AN lost the game"

[oak shell]

Shortstop magdepth?

[glad aurora]

sact/act r2 containers, aka "the thing that ruined capwar for literal months"

[wary flame]

Ah, I forgot rockets also got more expensive

time for my favourite ship to spend another two years unusable, I suppose

not that that's a huge deal for me anymore considering I play far fewer games than I used to

[glad aurora]

it's the way missile ships are, I've become convinced, and thus carriers because carriers are missile ships wearing a halloween mask

complete skill differential engines

lys has to crush the ceiling because if she doesn't games become a test of How's Your Cruise Player over anything else

which doesn't help the floor in two respects, both that the minimum investment for competent missile play is a learning cliff in the editor and that, as the saying goes, the smartest bears have significant overlap with the average person trying to softkill

[covert garnet]

Megadeath, cln survivalbility, and the fact that ans double cve build can give frontline 12 planes to escort since cvln also dead.

Makes cln mostly a casual hull

[glad aurora]

eh, ans double cve still loses to cln

what are they going to do, spend five minutes prepping an escorted bomber flight and driving around the whole map with zero radar coverage while the CLN can be sending out fishing salvos by minute 1?

carriers are worse cruise missile ships

[covert garnet]

Ans need more than two ppl skill issued to lose to cln now. To me double cve having some sensor coverage issue is fine. Other wise they are a bit op

I got 48 fighters to kill all the containers instead

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> What's our player count looking like this boat night?

[shut ridge]

have you even tried playing it? ive seen multiple people run stack v stack games with them post nerf with 70k+ damage numbers

[wary flame]

I haven't really had neb time lately, so I'd be very happy to find otherwise, I was just unusually grumpy that night and there has been a theme of the CLN bouncing between being cracked and being totally useless for extended periods

[quiet quiver]

Well people elsewhere still complain about it being good

And I don't mean like randoms blues/silvers

[junior heron]

I'm close...

[sharp crow]

damn

[glad aurora]

Goddamn, that looks good.

[fresh storm]

chat

I'm going to make a control scheme for this game on steam deck

sounds insane but it's the only way I'll actually be present for boat nights

[wet root]

Honestly Neb is probably one of the most playable RTS out there for the Steam Deck

Before carriers I think it wouldn't have even been a significant disadvantage

(Carriers have unfortunately increased the importance of mechanical reaction time, while before a few seconds delay mattered a lot less than tactics and positioning)

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone want to play some pub games?

[oak shell]

I could in... 2 hours maybe

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> boat night!

1 minute early

[supple sonnet]

We’ll be on shortly

[junior heron]

tanto did more damage than beam battleship

[wicked mirage]

@wet root Oops sorry it took me a sec to leave the lobby x.x

[wet root]

All good lol

[mint sinew]

So, we had some creatures on our team. "They aren't all defensive"

[glad aurora]

oh is this the idiot who was crowing about how good they were as my ocellos shut out his entire 3k fleet a while back

[mint sinew]

Just a blue who didn't realise frag doesn't hurt ships

[glad aurora]

there's more than one person playing 2x S1 surrender vauxes

[mint sinew]

Tbf I don't think it counts as surrender Vaux if all you brought were amms

That's a picket Vaux

[wicked mirage]

Hey guys! I finally had a massive brain blast with Blake's RWBY BB! The carrier update finally made something click and I'm really really excited to try this! No longer do I have to try and mess with Blankets and/or Prowlers on a BB xD

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Blake Belladonna {BB}' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:

Blake Belladonna : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam Gun PD EWar Missile Sensor]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
      SDM-1-1 Cold Snap : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_COMMAND_ABBREV - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_BLASTFRAG [9pts]
SDM-2-2 'Ice Spear' ACM : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_COMMAND_ABBREV/$MISSILESEEKER_MODE_PASSIVE_ABBREV(WAKE) - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_BLASTFRAG [8pts]
           SGM-113 Aero : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_ACTIVE_ABBREV(RADAR) - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_BLASTFRAG [2pts]
    SGM-231 SILVER WAVE : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_ARAD_PULSED_ABBREV(RADAR)/$MISSILESEEKER_MODE_ACTIVE_ABBREV(RADAR) - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_HEIMPACT [8pts]

[wicked mirage]

I'm really proud of this and wanted to share lol

Beam BB's make amazing Battlecarriers I think!

Since unlike 450, even a single Beam Turret can do the job xD

This one has two ^^

Both types of planes have HICO chaff btw, couldn't get that in the screenshots lol

[glad aurora]

Does it just kill shuttles?

atm I don't think it can kill MMTs, which is a bit problematic but such is the life of strike tantos

[supple sonnet]

Ooh.

Pyrope ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Beam BB's make amazing Battlecarriers I think!

We should play more wild Nebneb.

[wicked mirage]

Yeah it's basically just to kill Shuttles and maybe poke at other stuff. The S2's can also take down radar tugs and the like

[supple sonnet]

The idea of a dual-beem battlecarrier er, gave us an idea.

Namely, what if we did this with the Starshield battleship, which has 4 spinal slots per side?

..Wait, at that point we may as well try to do it on a liner. Battlecarrier liner? ><

[glad aurora]

yeah, backpack craft liners used to be popular

I still run backpack craft on mine

that said, you very much aren't a real carrier and your complement is restricted to killing Sprinters

[supple sonnet]

Ah, no bombers, just CAP?

[glad aurora]

you can never fit bombers on anything other than a purpose-built carrier

[supple sonnet]

nodnod.

[mint sinew]

I mostly use my liner backpack craft for scouting and CAP

I swapped back onto them after I saw one too many carrier players running unescorted bombers

[glad aurora]

They do not yet understand my power and secrets 😔

[mint sinew]

There is also the simple joy of sending a pike to go kill an isolated sewac

[wary flame]

I am enjoying the torpedo MN with radar skiff jammed into a spare slot

solid capwar asset

they get a lot more done than dedicated heavy mining craft

[mint sinew]

A few sensor craft just make cap fleets happy. If you haven't tried it yet try mixing in a single wake skiff. Just getting that early detection of when the enemy is crossing certain angles is a ton of actionable intel

[supple sonnet]

Yeah, I don't think 4 Pikes is enough Pikes to warrant losing the missiles.

[wary flame]

I tend not to have the brain cells to manually triangulate things while running 9-10 ship capwar, so I usually play radar skiffs there

they still die a lot, but I get a lot more out of them

[supple sonnet]

Hm, twin 35mm for like a heavy fighter sort of deal, or an advanced internal radar?

Or even a wake sensor.

[mint sinew]

Generally if you are bringing skiffs as OSP it's for the Adv radar

I'm a sicko who likes the wake sensor

[supple sonnet]

I was about to ask "Can they not hunt bombers?". We have 100mm.

6 of them. Per ship. Bombers are not an issue.

[mint sinew]

Bombers are definitely an issue through 6xT20s

That's why my frontline liner groups bring 4 barracudas, specifically to kill bombers/torps

[supple sonnet]

So what can the Barracudas do that the Skiffs can't at this?

[mint sinew]

Cudas are a lot faster

So you get the intercept much further out

[supple sonnet]

Ohhhh.

Sorry, we're used to the idea of like, long-distance interception where the Halberds have that extra range but no, detection range is the limit, not aircraft range.

..Well really we just want heavy fighters.

[mint sinew]

Nothing is stopping you. They'll probably do a decent job with the double turrets and some S1s

Craft are in a really weird space for me, because they have so many variables that determining a "best" choice for anything is a challenge

I've been running bare minimum cudas as my CAP wing to pretty good results, but at yesterday's boat night Pyrope pointed out that articulated nozzles would drastically improve their performance as pd. Something I hadn't even thought to test

[glad aurora]

Detection range >>>>>>>>> any other possible purpose

you will not see, choose to attack, and then reach claymores with fat bumblebee skiffs before they launch

[wary flame]

bombers used to die instantly the moment a single fighter got on top of them with a 20mm gun, but this made them quite bad

they are now much harder to kill, to the point a fairly common tactic is launching a two-stage missile with a truly colossal frag warhead on the top at them because it can sometimes take out several at once

[glad aurora]

yeah, sdm-2s are now far better at killing bombers due to a largely unannounced balance change

[wary flame]

I admit I sometimes miss the older fighter interception because bouncing bombers with catapult fighters has amazing vibes

but I also play so little carrier these days that I have no idea how many gunfights even happen

I am cap player, either the planes kill me or they don't

tiny 120pt shuttle does not have the budget to care

[glad aurora]

I... can't remember the last time I've seen an actual carrier on carrier engagement

far more common is the "one side has a carrier, the other doesn't" blowout entirely dependent on softkill ability

[wary flame]

the CMD/Wake MLS-3 monitors have replaced the journeyman slot in my fleets, they seem to get more done

and nobody expects the surprise torpedo brick

I need to get more softkill practice in myself, I'm very rusty

[glad aurora]

I do bring four barebones fighters on my 4tc spy BB, however, which ended up being used to great effect to completely disassemble a distributed skiff-based sensor network the other day

[glad aurora]

seems to be the pattern, albeit with cruise S2 MNs instead

jman has fallen very much out of favor (which makes my habit of using unescorted bombers even less punished) other than an incredibly stupid capfleet strat

which... doesn't use them as carriers at all

[wary flame]

current jman plans are for one radar skiff per ship, although I could theoretically fit some fighters in if I actually cared

in practice I think that might be more money than it's usually worth because even unescorted bombers might not be meaningfully stopped by one 20mm plane

[glad aurora]

one no, around four yes

after one particularly memorably bad experience where I got hard countered by a gold jman cap player after we had an argument about how good standoff stealth S2s really were, after I wiped their team in a previous match (they were arguing it was situational and relied on the enemy team not anticipating it/not having their own carrier, I argued otherwise)

(we had no sensor ships or capfleet on my team so lmao)

[supple sonnet]

Ah, the AIR-2 Genie method.

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) they are now much harder to kill, to the point a fairly common tactic is launching a two-stage missi…

[wary flame]

pretty much, except shiplaunched

[supple sonnet]

And non-nuclear.

[wary flame]

I feel all my capfleet play has been so return to monke lately

I used to have all these beautiful Jman sensor net integrations and so forth, now I just take three MMTs, an EWR and a pile of undifferentiated shuttles and torps like it's early 2024 and if they get airstruck they get airstruck

[supple sonnet]

..That could actually be a method, using a bomber-mounted SDM and keeping it floating around.

Well, not a bomber, but still.

[glad aurora]

well, yeah, that's just taking some SDM-2 Tantos and having them hover around waiting for targets

might be more efficient now due to the previously mentioned buff

[glad aurora]

feels like the difference of not playing in lobbies filled with 99% golds and constantly in voice comms, tbh

[supple sonnet]

Alas, you would need Claymores. Or Barracudas.

[glad aurora]

Claymores can't carry SDMs anymore.

Just switch the Tanto internal bay.

[supple sonnet]

I.. Forgot they had an internal bay.

[mint sinew]

Given how many stacked golds I've seen bring 4xbeamstone, 6xgun sprinter as a cap fleet recently I'm not convinced that it's just stack vs not

[wary flame]

beams good

I've been running three fairly often

[mint sinew]

Simply brute forcing your way through opfor's anti-light assets seems to be in vogue

[glad aurora]

nah, I mean "if you just return to monke you'll be fine because it's pubs"

if the enemy team is goldstacking you'll lose anyway and there's really nothing you can possibly do about it

[wary flame]

capfleets are in an odd spot, I think

[glad aurora]

and if it's the alternative mix of random silvers and blues, the other variables in play will have much greater affect than your precise sensor net quality

[wary flame]

my old tourney team is reforming so I'm going to have to spend a week on intensive retraining

I can still fly a ship but I don't have the old meta instincts

might be time to relearn CLs, I never got around to it before I stopped playing for a few months

[glad aurora]

oh boy, tournament play

looking forward to hearing how that turns out again

[wary flame]

Mink, as usual, has some black magic he'd like to share with the rest of us

[mint sinew]

Gold stacking isn't unbeatable as long as you have a few decent players. Certainly not a favoured situation but I've definitely done it before

[glad aurora]

My experience is, admittedly, somewhat colored by spending three hours of my night trying to carry random pub teams against an OSP goldstack and winning one (1) game, which is what made me uninstall again.

Highlights including the Axford frontline that just charged directly into the entire enemy team and was dead by minute five (this happened twice, actually) and the S2H Axford which was all ACT missiles.

[mint sinew]

I suspect your problem here was not the goldstack

[glad aurora]

Honestly? Debatable
I've seen the "yeah just charge directly at them" be fine in games against blues because they have no clue how to focus fire, and the S2H creature could've been compensated for if the enemy fucked up by not having a competent capfleet or a capfleet at all so we could've won on points

which is probably exactly what happened for those players in previous games to inculcate these bad strategies and choices

neb has such huge skill variance that bad players can still win games perfectly fine using bad strategies as long as they're against other bad players; playing good players on coordinated teams is such an uphill slog at least in part because the bad players don't know the strategies they're using are bad, and then you lost in fleet select and sometimes don't even know it until you wonder why was my missile player so dogshit and look at the AAR missile screen

if you luck into good players, of course you can win versus the goldstack with good play and luck, but that's hardly the usual pubs vs. goldstack experience

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone want to play approximately 1-3 games?

(approximately that many games because this is my current rank %):

[wary flame]

Neb also has a sufficiently large pile of tacit knowledge that you can genuinely go find someone who has been an old master retired in the hills for the last year, get them back into the game in a day and watch them walk most pubs, but admittedly a lot of that is just "did you spend any decent length of time playing vaguely sweatily"

many blues have also gone through the hyperbolic stack v stack time chamber

[glad aurora]

If you end up needing a fourth I'll reinstall real quick, I can probably squeeze a few in tonight for a momentous occasion like a promotion game

[wet root]

I don't have time to play, but I'll definitely spectate if you go for it today

[junior heron]

New Hexagon!

halfway to the next rank!

[glad aurora]

Congrats!

[wary flame]

nice

[wet root]

Congratulations on becoming a rad admiral!

[wicked mirage]

Blake did well on her first test run and against a team that had a pair of golds no less!

I updated her slightly prior to this ^^

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Blake Belladonna {BB}' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:

Blake Belladonna : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam Gun PD EWar Missile Sensor]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
SDM-1-1 'Cold Snap' ACM-F : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_COMMAND_ABBREV - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_BLASTFRAG [9pts]
  SDM-2-2 'Ice Spear' ACM : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_COMMAND_ABBREV/$MISSILESEEKER_MODE_PASSIVE_ABBREV(WAKE) - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_BLASTFRAG [8pts]
             SGM-113 Aero : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_ACTIVE_ABBREV(RADAR) - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_BLASTFRAG [2pts]
      SGM-219 DARK RIBBON : $MISSILEGUIDANCE_MODE_DIRECT - $MISSILESEEKER_MODE_PASSIVE_ABBREV(EO)/$MISSILESEEKER_MODE_ARAD_PULSED_ABBREV(RADAR) - $MISSILEWARHEAD_SHORT_HEIMPACT [13pts]

[mint sinew]

Nice showing!

Taking almost no return fire is impressive

[wicked mirage]

Thanks, in a Beam BB you gotta stalk and then pounce like a cat xD

[noble zodiac]

ooo
out of curiosity whats the character logic feeding the beam-battlecarrier as the representation of blake 👀

[wicked mirage]

All the Tantos have stealth coating cuz Blake is a ninja, and while Beam BB's are close range this one has surprising reach with its Tanto-fired S2's incidentally named Dark Ribbon.

Blake is general close range fighter well, but can extend her reach in a pinch with her ribbons

[noble zodiac]

ooooooooo

[wicked mirage]

Plus Blake has a pistol as her weapon's ranged form and I felt Mk62's were a good representation of that.

Cat's eyes also tend to glow in the dark just like the two beams this BB has ^^

[noble zodiac]

EYESHINE REFERENCCE?????????

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

PEAM

[wicked mirage]

Also, this makes Blake a Beam BB like Yang as well xD

Thanks Gamma ❤️

[noble zodiac]

truthnuke

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1088160958268063817/1105004164653781032/cooltext435064167238636.gif

they r lesbians your honor...

[noble zodiac]

fuckin, finally got my neb working on the new linux install

go go gadget [makes a new livery for her current hyperfixation]

[wicked mirage]

Fun ^^

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunters-kpop-demon-hunter-kpop-demon-kpdh-rumi-kpdh-gif-4533506218112834325

[wet root]

I can't help but see this as bisexual lighting Vaux

[noble zodiac]

you woukdnt even be wrong

huntr/x does give bisexual lighting

[eternal bramble]

alright I've been thinking of getting back into neb

what's changed since I last played?