Nebulous: Fleet Command

[mint sinew]

Certainly in the current Axford heavy environment. 2 plasma is fine as a punch up tool for an otherwise anti-light ship. I find you want more if you are actively hunting capitals

[supple sonnet]

we are very tired and are going to try and make anti-swarm axfords again

nebulous has dubbed this ship the meth rapid???? 😟

[glad aurora]

a name vital to keep

[night fable]

Alright, lab rats, it's Friday, and that means it's time for some Friday Night NEBULOUS: Fleet Command! Ready your fleets - anyone is free to join the game!

https://twitch.tv/docvivileandra

[glad aurora]

but yes, if you want a purely anti-swarm axford, 2x250, 4x120, VLS-2

[night fable]

<@&942093958551588904>

[supple sonnet]

we were going to go with 1x250 and 1x450, just to give us a little more flexability to engage cargo feeders or ocellos

we were probably just going to put a pinpoint in the backpack to keep it safe, but we should probably try to fiddle around with s2h sometime -,-

[glad aurora]

undermounting the big gun mount by that far is a very sad thing to inflict an axford with

feed an axford the murder juice, give it as many guns as you can fit

[supple sonnet]

gods

it has named the vauxhall "wink" on top of that

is nebulous trying to tell people we're a drug dealer?

[glad aurora]

yes

this fleet is now the "I Don't Sell Drugs, Officer, I Purvey Them"

[supple sonnet]

FUCK SAKE

i mean, gods, yes, this fleet is meant to beat up Little Guys™️, but really??

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Knuckledusters ACT(T)' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

 Meth Rapid : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun Sensor PD]
       Wink : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun Sensor PD]
Muggy Sound : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]

[radiant sable]

we could probably shuffle some things around to give the muggy sounds a proper dc, thinking about it

[supple sonnet]

augh, damnit, backpack pinpoints don't work

[radiant sable]

shuffled around radar and vls-1s

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Knuckledusters ACT(T)' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

 Meth Rapid : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
       Wink : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun PD]
Muggy Sound : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD Sensor]

[glad aurora]

way more axford ammo than you need

big raider over big dragon

swap a large DC for a DC central

you also have about 4/3 the amount of 250 ammo you need on the vauxhall, and same principle for big whip over big dragon

citadel CIC to RCIC, buy a rapid in the empty compartment on the axford with the points

[supple sonnet]

why big raider over big dragon?

[glad aurora]

more speed more gooder on something as cumbersome as a capital

[supple sonnet]

and we could probably cut down on axford ammo, yea, but individually it only pans out to ~30min effective firing time across all ammo types

we just split it into 2 different stores for redundancy

[glad aurora]

Oh, I know

I'm just saying that you need more like 20 minutes of uninterrupted, max buff modules firing time for the average game

[supple sonnet]

ah

fair

[glad aurora]

you're also carrying far too much flak for a single stonewall on the sprinter, not that you need a stonewall in the first place. Buy the small dog an actual gun. It deserves it.

(then mount gyros -> ammo elevators, rcic over basic cic, PCC to rapid DC)

otherwise, good fleet

[supple sonnet]

the sprinter's specifically for pd/radar support for the vaux

we could try to shuffle things around and put a pinpoint on the vaux itself, but that'd leave a pd arc exposed

[glad aurora]

No, my point is that a stonewall is good against S2 dumps, if you have at least 2+ of them

[supple sonnet]

ah

[glad aurora]

and a sprinter with no gun is a sprinter that loses as soon as it runs into an OSP shuttle once the capgame gets tight

(well, no offensive capability - S1 offensive boxes are also nice, I hear, but I've not used them)

(ask misc)

[radiant sable]

better?

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Knuckledusters ACT(T)' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

 Meth Rapid : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
       Wink : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun PD]
Muggy Sound : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun Sensor PD]

[glad aurora]

oh wait

why strobe correlators

[supple sonnet]

to beat out tugswarms with 10 bellbirds

[glad aurora]

fair and real

[supple sonnet]

if we can't see them, we're at least going to sniff them out and punch them

[glad aurora]

raising my eyebrows a bit at the general 20mm ammo count vibe of "local woman terrified by containers"

but this is a very solid fleet (albeit I am terminally jammingcoded and seeing none makes me twitchy)

[supple sonnet]

we got bitch-slapped by containers last game and are generally sick of it

is there any reason to take auroras over defenders currently?

[glad aurora]

are you playing against ANS? if not, no

[supple sonnet]

they are better agents rockets but not by much

[supple sonnet]

okay. these did pretty good

~75% of the damage on the meth rapid and wink was from a big brawl near the end against 4 ocellos, otherwise,,,, these are just. legitimately good ships

we're gonna move a few things around but,, damn

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Knuckledusters ACT' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

 Meth Rapid : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
       Wink : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun PD]
Muggy Sound : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun Sensor PD]

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Knuckledusters ACT' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

 Meth Rapid : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
       Wink : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun PD]
Muggy Sound : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun Sensor PD]

[supple sonnet]

oh fuck augh

[supple sonnet]

we've just played one of our worst games ever

but

we also pulled off 27 softkills with a tacked-on chaffbox

so

[wary flame]

aurora zaps high-maneuver S2s and rockets, so it can be nice to have one on each side of a CA or one on a corvette to decisively shut down shuttles, but that costs too much for my liking

handy on more expensive setups

strobe correlator does basically nothing, firing RPF on BRN is plenty for swarms and correlators basically do not improve it

[mint sinew]

A nose Aurora on an Axford is a really nice luxury if you don't need the bullseye there (e.g. missile and beam) but it's a strain on the power

[wary flame]

the 250 is a bit weird, I would personally stick with all 450 for better MN killing since the DPS difference is minimal, then crank the CA and CL up to 5 and 4 ammo elevators by cutting correlators, thruster nozzles and gyros in that order

when you have that many guns the value you get from buff modules just becomes so much greater

you'll need to swap one or even two of the larges on the CA for reinforced DC, and you probably want to pad the noses out with aux steering since you can get all 13-14 gun barrels firing while bowtanking

and you'll need an interruptor somewhere, the back mount of a CA or CL is ideal

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> opened the boat night channels! till won't be making it to this one

[supple sonnet]

🚤 ‼️

[wet root]

Be on in a min

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'One Little Guy' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:

Little Guy with Glasses : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile PD]
```This fleet uses 6 different missile types:
```yaml
          SGM-100 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-102 Arcane Bolt With Level 25 Talent-LG : DIRECT - PSV(EO) - HEKP [13pts]
                     SGM-102 Arcane Bolt-LG : DIRECT - PSV(EO) - HE SHAPED [9pts]
                        SGM-112 Palisade-LG : DIRECT - PSV(EO) - HE FRAG [10pts]
          SGM-200 Infinite Confetti Machine : CRUISE - PSV(EO)/ACT(RADAR) - NONE [165pts]
       SGM-H-200 Overstimulation at a Party : CRUISE - PSV(EO) - HEKP [38pts]

[quiet quiver]

We’ve done it, we’ve built the Surrender FFL

[junior heron]

in-game testing conclusion: it's bad

surprisingly, the Sprinter class Corvette does not have much magazine depth on its own

nevermind the little guy is good actually

see, he won the game

[wicked mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/spacepatroluluco-anime-unsure-worry-ok-gif-10200414

[quiet quiver]

"This one corvette did 6,220 damage!" vs "This one corvette cost 3000 points"

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Huntervette Prototype' is composed of 1 ship which costs 500 points:

Captain Bhab : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Sensor PD]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
                   SGM-107 Diatom : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [6pts]
       SGM-H-300 Pigeonmid Scheme : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [29pts]
     SGM-H-300 Poyais Colony Ship : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(EO)] - HE SHAPED [32pts]

[wary flame]

went tinkering after taking a mine hit that last game

modified Pyrope's anti-mine AMMs to be slightly more maneuverable at the cost of range, so ideally you can Z command them onto incoming S2s and pull double duty but it'll take some testing

ideally this finds stuff early game with the pinard, fires three missile salvos, hopefully gets a scout tug or two and then dedicates itself to anti-mine scouting, capping and escort duty

unlike a proper bomber it has no need to get anywhere near the targets, which is good because it has no survivability whatsoever

potentially does better with 100% pure EO but the budget looks a bit painful there

maybe it can get two act/[CMD], four EO

[quiet quiver]

https://www.twitch.tv/nekoboyblue

Submarine custom ruleset being streamed

TLDR is 1 MN per fleet vs 1 DD per fleet, torps only no hard PD

(Torpedo AMMs are allowed but no s1/s2 ones)

[oak shell]

Interesting

[tulip vault]

oh huh someone made silent hunter but with osp

neat

that feels like it could be incredibly ANS favoured

unless they aren't allowed to use CMD missiles

or I guess if you can't use anything that locks

[quiet quiver]

No FCR except parallax

[tulip vault]

hmm

I guess you need a blackjack and a bellbird then

[oak shell]

OSP can also take a lot more torpedoes, I think.

[tulip vault]

that's true, MNs are very tanky

[quiet quiver]

But also AIUI a MN bulk mag holds a lot, a DD taking 22 torps sacrifices everything else

[glad aurora]

hm, submarine DD...

[quiet quiver]

They're also playing CTF

Which I keep forgetting exists as a mode

[supple sonnet]

We should to a CTF on boat night some time

[quiet quiver]

Oh also ANS doesn't get CMD but does get EO

[glad aurora]

I have a devious plan

Do you have a copy of the full ruleset to paste here?

[quiet quiver]

Sure

Assemble your submarines <@&814983541913813033>, we meet for battle on <t:1708822800:F>, <t:1708822800:R>, using the classic Silent Hunter rules modified a bit for the new status quo after the OSP Rebalance update.

Silent Hunter is a community ruleset meant to move Nebulous closer to submarine warfare. It's a game of stealth, information and awareness, strategy and cooperation, munition starvation and psychological combat. Each player controls one mid-size ship, with torpedoes as the only allowed weapon and point defence turrets completely absent. To emerge victorious you must tread carefully and softkill swiftly.

Silent Hunter 2024 Rules

• Uniform teams, Alliance vs OSP
• One ship per player, either Destroyer or Monitor, 800 point limit
• Capture The Flag on the Giant Coral map
• Torpedoes are the only allowed offensive weapon
• All PDTs and non-torpedo AMMs are prohibited
• The Bullseye FCR and Pinpoint FCR are prohibited (but not the Parallax)
• All other electronic warfare equipment is allowed (including Decoy Containers)
• Each ship may have at maximum 23 size 1 cells (as in, a single VLS-1-23)
• The Alliance team cannot use CMD seekers (but can use EO)

[glad aurora]

good, good...

I have Ideas.

[quiet quiver]

Ah... for game two they've swapped to 1 flag limit, nonuniform teams

[glad aurora]

the abominable creature

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Crimson November' is composed of 1 ship which costs 1108 points:

Hex Easel : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [EWar Missile PD]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGT-305 Pike Block II : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR)/PSV(EO) - HE SHAPED [16pts]

[quiet quiver]

800 pt limit!

[glad aurora]

ah, hell

I think that means I need to cut all the DC

[quiet quiver]

... someone has a double sundrive monitor flanking at 44 m/s

[tulip vault]

yeah I think that's probably what I'd do

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Run-Silent-Run-Deep' is composed of 1 ship which costs 799 points:

Archerfish : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [PD Missile EWar]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGT-358 Gom Jabber : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [12pts]
SGT-358 gom jabber : DIRECT - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [12pts]

[glad aurora]

the fact that wake actually exists in this gamemode does make me want to bring more flares over chaff

hm

[supple sonnet]

Wake exiests normay, ikei got some wake hits on those perfctay noram gales i ran on the last game

[glad aurora]

True, true.

I'm just not used to running any flares

here, I presume it'll be much more necessary, since the disco ball jams out the CMD and you can chaff+active the ARAD, especially if you illum the chaff

[supple sonnet]

Disco's are easy enough to overcome just by getting closer, espicay when they have a secondary seaker.

[glad aurora]

very true, but I have no hangup room 😔

I wonder what the optimal MN/DD distribution is on a team of 4

[bitter furnace]

If I was to run this event again, I would make an addition to the rules; if a torp has EO it's not allowed to have a backup seeker

In the other set of lobbies that Nekoboy wasn't streaming, we kept with uniform factions, and the meta shifted strongly towards ANS using EO/ARAD, and there's not much response you can do to that other than have really quick micro which I don't like

[quiet quiver]

Oh yeah you gotta pos-fire dazzler and kill radar and comms

[wet root]

Not comms, ARAD only targets radar

But requiring the pos fired Dazzler is still nasty

Especially since if you're unlucky they can random walk out of the cone and reacquire

Could make getting the dazzler on target really hard with multiple tubes plus a mix of speeds and hot/cold launch, so you have a bunch coming from separate angles

Heck, toss cruise on

[quiet quiver]

Making the logi officer cry I see

[wet root]

They know what they did

[glad aurora]

I assume EO isn't allowed as the backup seeker either, then?

Very sad, I'll probably switch to SAH/WAKE

[quiet quiver]

ARAD/EO is at least seduceable with offset jam but other than that not much better

[glad aurora]

I did, in fact, have to cut (almost) all the DC 😔

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Crimson November' is composed of 1 ship which costs 800 points:

Hex Easel : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [EWar Missile PD]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGT-305 Pike Block II : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR)/PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [9pts]

[glad aurora]

but 4x SAH/WAKE on a Spotlight should be very persuasive

yep, put two salvos of four into a Monitor from the nose and it died (and that was with an AMM + Pavise carrying liner right next to it because I couldn't be bothered to make a new fleet)

now I'm kind of tempted to see if this actually works as part of a pub fleet

(are you better off with a Raines for this, though?)

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Submarine Hunter-Killer Pack' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

  Hex Easel : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Missile PD Sensor]
      Mould : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Missile PD Sensor]
Witch Hazel : 'Raines' class Frigate [EWar Gun]
      Amber : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
            SGM-101 Hobgoblin : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
          SGM-H-390 Warglaive : DIRECT - PSV(EO)/CMD - HE SHAPED [32pts]
SGM-H-390 Warglaive Mle. 1545 : DIRECT - PSV(EO)/CMD - HEKP [48pts]

[quiet quiver]

Inspired by sub night?

[glad aurora]

Ayup.

Instastage over torpedoes in an actual environment, of course, and you have to have something in the spinal mount worth the using (so an unbuffed beam will have to do)

the raines carries around the jammers and a spyglass - turn the spyglass off if the jammers are on and vice-versa, the shuttle exists to run onto a cap and die

[quiet quiver]

Makes me wonder if the sprinter really needs a radar and reactor

[glad aurora]

Probably not, since the Ceremonial Arming Missile is never supposed to be fired, but that probably buys me...

what, one active decoy per DD and another two chaff each?

Not sure if it's necessarily worth it

[quiet quiver]

Fair

Terrible idea: After ditching the radar, also trading the VLS for a cannon and some RPF you can pos-fire where shuttles are

(At least where you think they are)

[glad aurora]

my son has every disease

[supple sonnet]

it takes ~4 blankets to cover a solomon, right?

i think we're having the worst idea of our life

[supple sonnet]

can you send immobile ships into battle?

[quiet quiver]

Yes you can, but AFAIK it's only really useful on a missile barge or EWR ship

[glad aurora]

@wary flame this is your fault

[quiet quiver]

Is it? I thought Misc was an advocate of sprint mines

[glad aurora]

Nah, mines + ConL, thus his fault

(for the record, if you move seven keystones and a raines in a murder blob, you are immune to mines)

[wet root]

Almost certainly, a pair of Raines gets you more magazine depth and slots for jammers/illuminators/etc with a much smaller RCS

[wet root]

It is pretty nice for EWR buoys though, you can get one for 135 points

[glad aurora]

Magazine depth?

It looks like you lose out on two mounts for the same amount of missiles that way, plus support modules

unless you mean I can literally afford two Raines with the same missile setup for one DD

[wet root]

I think the Keystones only get 4 missiles in one pair of mounts?

[glad aurora]

Nah - as per the Hazel readout, it's 6 per CLS

[wet root]

In the big ones yes

But you only get 2 of those

So you get 20 missiles per Keystone vs 24 per Raines pair

[glad aurora]

Ah, I see.

[wet root]

Which costs about the same, since Keystones pay more for programming channels and power

Don't get me wrong, I do like the Missile/Beam Keystone

But I think you want to invest a bit more into Beam to make it worthwhile

Since it costs 100 points for the base Beem

[glad aurora]

75, but yes

these used to just be missile-only, but then I didn't actually have room for anything else worthwhile

and I liked the idea of having a beam sitting around to let me execute things that survive the insta-stage

[wet root]

Huh, thought the railgun was 75 and beam 100, TIL

That is fair, I suppose if you're using instastage you don't necesarrily need the beam to break DT

My old version of that fleet was cruise missiles with the ability to be a somewhat-understrength beam fleet after using up the load

So different concept

[glad aurora]

Yeah, the way I ended up using them in the test pub was:

• Raines jams Ocello + bulker
• Instastage HEKP salvo into Ocello, HEI into bulker
• beams finish off Ocello

[wet root]

I'm kind of dubious just because you're investing a lot of points into two different weapon systems that fit a pretty similar niche

In that if you're in instastage range, BSHORTed beams kill an Ocello quite well anyway

[glad aurora]

You're not wrong, and I expect this probably isn't as optimal as it could be

[wet root]

But the target splitting could be worth it

[supple sonnet]

how much support is too much support

[glad aurora]

750pts

[wet root]

Depends, do you count caps as support?

Arguably the threshold is above 3k, since rail DDs probably count as support and a rail array is terrifying

I wouldn't be unhappy to see a fleet that brought 2k of scouting and jamming

[supple sonnet]

we are possibly thinking of making a parasite support fleet

which is to say we are currently making a parasite support fleet

which is a terrible idea

but still

[olive blade]

I think support fleet can mean a lot of different things

[glad aurora]

17 has woken up and chosen to play WHM, I see

[supple sonnet]

what in all hells is whm

[olive blade]

and the answer depends a bit on what your team is bringing too

[glad aurora]

White Mage, XIV's healbot class

[olive blade]

I do think one player focusing on some aspects can be really good but it requires coordination

[wet root]

What seems to be fairly common is the "caps plus assorted useful support ships" fleet, that has like 1.5k points of scouting/jamming/ELINT and 1.5k points of caps

[supple sonnet]

yes this would be for an ans 5v5 game assuming other roles are taken

[wet root]

i.e. just filling in the gaps that most pub lobbies leave empty

[supple sonnet]

ideally it'd be direct support for a battleship

[olive blade]

I think a bb fleet should be able to bring the support it needs in its 3k

[supple sonnet]

yes

however

[wet root]

You could hit up @wicked mirage for her support CL she was running alongside an Axford (Summer Rose maybe?) for a while

[glad aurora]

please do not justify the 3k solomon players with names like "sharnhorst" any more

[wet root]

Bringing something to take out the OSP's Bloodhounds and EWRs is probably one of the most helpful things you could do for an allied BB

[supple sonnet]

that is actually a good point

[glad aurora]

(that said, if you're willing to expand your definition of "support" somewhat, the average beam BB is a huge fan of rail arrays)

[olive blade]

I think beam bb also really wants vision

[wet root]

Any BB really

[olive blade]

more than like ships standing around it

[supple sonnet]

we are mostly just tired of getting our shit pushed in and instead want to get our shit pushed as an ablative for someone else who can actually play and win a game

[wet root]

You commit so much time getting anywhere you really want to know that you're going somewhere useful

[olive blade]

maybe a super spyglass for a gun bb is nice to have

if I had to pick any close support element

[wet root]

Could go Shore Bombardment Axford plus assorted helpful escorts and hang out behind the BB providing tracks and fire support

[glad aurora]

hm

4x railstone + intel keystone w/4x TC spyglass?

[supple sonnet]

we are currently making a jammer/shore bombardment axford with extra pd pickets and a stealth hunter/killer keystone to take out vision

Lark (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Could go Shore Bombardment Axford plus assorted helpful escorts and hang out behind the BB providing…

[glad aurora]

that actually sounds like a fun fleet, perhaps I should make that myself

I assume railstones don't actually ever carry anything but rails and rail support

[supple sonnet]

give us a second to finish piecing it together

also

[wet root]

I think Pyrope has this exact fleet lol

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Keystone Sniper FIT' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

     Eight of Cups : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail Sensor PD]
    Nine of Swords : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
       Two of Cups : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
 Page of Pentacles : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
Queen of Pentacles : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
         Judgement : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Sensor]

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Keystone Sniper FIT' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

     Eight of Cups : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail Sensor PD]
    Nine of Swords : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
       Two of Cups : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
 Page of Pentacles : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
Queen of Pentacles : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
         Judgement : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Sensor]

[supple sonnet]

your railstones

50rpm

(still less than pyrope's railcello fleet but it works)

[wet root]

As an Ocello player: Terrifying

[supple sonnet]

actually wait we should try making a rail axford or solomon

later after we finish our "getting ready to sit the game out" fleet

[wet root]

There are battle rails that bring 250s as well

Because you can actually approach and use them after your rails have made them thoroughly sad

I imagine they're pretty tricky to play though, because if you try to close in too soon and they're still functional enough to shoot back, sig bloom means they can trivially lock you and Keystone squishiness means you die to functional guns

And if you play too cautiously you could have just spent those points on more rails

[supple sonnet]

ioho you should be too busy shooting other people to ever do this

Lark (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Because you can actually approach and use them after your rails have made them thoroughly sad

being close to the enemy is the enemy

you should be millimeters from the withdrawal line shooting anything you can see

[glad aurora]

got to 5.46 RPM on an Axford, which makes me somewhat sad

[supple sonnet]

😔

[wicked mirage]

Did someone want my support CL design?

[glad aurora]

there must be a better way

[supple sonnet]

(the answer is our keystones)

[glad aurora]

on one hand, yes, on the other hand, I also want to glue an axford to it

[supple sonnet]

we want them

Pyrope 🩸 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Did someone want my support CL design?

[radiant sable]

(is this actually of the axford jammer fleet line? no, but shut up)

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Jammer CET' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

   Tipsy Fuss : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar Missile PD Sensor]
The Blind Dip : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Sensor Gun Missile PD]
  Hefty Drama : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
         Soap : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
                 SGM-H-270 Lord of its Domain : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(WAKE)] - HE SHAPED [13pts]
SGT-378 If You Can Read This You're Too Close : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [14pts]

[radiant sable]

we have made Terrible Decisions

[glad aurora]

bcic axford

[screaming]

[radiant sable]

we should reinforce it but we also built the rest of the fleet and then came back to fill it in

actually hold on we should just get rid of the backpack shouldn't we

hold on on

[quiet quiver]

Reinforced CICs are for ships that get hit

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Jammer CET' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

   Tipsy Fuss : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
The Blind Dip : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Sensor Gun Missile PD]
  Hefty Drama : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
         Soap : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-H-270 Lord of its Domain : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(WAKE)] - HE SHAPED [13pts]

[radiant sable]

this is a ship meant to get hit

but also

the backpack missiles were probably not worth it

[glad aurora]

put the rail DD array into the test range

two minutes in, one of the ocellos it was shooting at nose-in simply blew up

I think this is a good fleet

[supple sonnet]

it is a good fleet

also: these pd picket ships really don't like being voltron'd on to the axford

the axford doesn't seem to mind too much tho

we might put these on more fleets tbh

[glad aurora]

I have achieved 52.45 formation rail rounds per minute 😌

time to go ruin someone's day

[supple sonnet]

wait did you do it with axfords?

[glad aurora]

sadly they did not have the necessary power I needed to achieve this goal

[supple sonnet]

😔

[glad aurora]

I needed to not just embrace the keystone, but divest myself of the coward's logic of "needing restores"

if I ever get shot for any reason, the game is over

my drives WILL explode if I flank for too long
my railguns WILL eventually melt into slag from a fire rate of ~0.9 rounds per second
I do NOT care

[supple sonnet]

simply shoot them first

simply shoot them before your rails melt

[glad aurora]

exactly!

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Effective SSBN Doctrine' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

           Fait Accompli : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [PD Sensor]
Red Right Hand Finger #1 : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
Red Right Hand Finger #2 : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
Red Right Hand Finger #3 : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
Red Right Hand Finger #4 : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
Red Right Hand Finger #5 : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]

[glad aurora]

actually, let me take an AMM off and add a Ceremonial Arming Missile

then we're done

[supple sonnet]

oh you renamed them

[glad aurora]

oh, no, I didn't use your fleet.

[supple sonnet]

😔

[glad aurora]

I don't use other people's fleets in general

[supple sonnet]

understandable

tbf we did rename yang when we stole her from pyrope

also, put a pinard on that bad boy

LT Hazel ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Fleet 'Effective SSBN Doctrine' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

           Fai… 📎

nose pinard intel keystones are great

[glad aurora]

Hm

Is it worth only one pinard?

[radiant sable]

it's worth it if anyone else in your team brings a pinard

which is a solid "probably"

[glad aurora]

I mean, this pub has two Solomons and one of them's a full 3k with side missile launchers instead of PD, so

[radiant sable]

plus it gives you a chance to tell if there are md fleets or spotters around the same hemisphere as you

[quiet quiver]

Won't spot the radarless MD builds tho

[olive blade]

I generally like bringing at least one backup radar

[glad aurora]

I might be able to fit a frontline in somewhere, but if I lose the prowler intel keystone, I figure I'll be losing at least one of the rails anyway

[olive blade]

maybe, I guess if I see a keystone formation and one doesn't have a rail

thats probably my first target usually

[wary flame]

this is the chap who did nearly 40k with this the other day, very much a Defender Check

[tulip vault]

huh, just ran into my first actual nebulous smurf

that I know of, at least

farmer's is just straight up smurfing

[quiet quiver]

Someone doesn't want that GADM ribbon

[supple sonnet]

we find that three wil work when your bow tanking at 5km+ vs most OSP ships though ocellos can see you at ike 6km~

17, handheld catgirl fool (she/it) [sylvania_] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) it takes ~4 blankets to cover a solomon, right?

[tulip vault]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone feel like a pub game or two?

[junior heron]

I could maybe do one game

[supple sonnet]

We might be around for game two

[oak shell]

I could do a game

in 10 minutes or so

[tulip vault]

alright that sounds like enough that I will hop into activity 2 and go from there

does game 2 sound good for you peri? Tom is pretty time-limited and would like to start finding a game now

[supple sonnet]

we could do a game or two

[wicked mirage]

I'm excited to try this version of the Ruby Axford ^^

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Ruby {BRD} (CH+Rails+Intel)' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

    Ruby, Bardic : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun Rail PD Missile Sensor]
Emblem of Summer : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail EWar PD Sensor]
          Little : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-H-2-2 Rose Quartz Shard : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [14pts]
  SGM-H-221 Fire Dust Flare : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(WAKE)] - HE SHAPED [15pts]
    SGM-H-238 Meteor Shards : DIRECT - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [15pts]

[olive blade]

Everyone seems to be in on the basic cic sprinters lately

I always felt they tend to randomly die more but ig 15 pts is a lot and they are not at all tough either way

Neat fleet tho

[lone violet]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-volume9-rwby-little-mouse-rwby-mouse-rwby-little-mouse-gif-26106170

your ship names always make me inexplicably happy

[wicked mirage]

Thanks ^^ Little is so cute!!!

[wicked mirage]

I could, and maybe I should xD I guess going down to Mk61's wouldn't be too bad.

But thanks!~

[tulip vault]

205 points doesn’t seem too bad to randomly lose to a missile ocasionally

Though Im curious as to the reasoning behind stock drive?

I am also gradually coming to the conclusion that I don’t actually dislike OSP, I just dislike playing OSP solo in pubs

The stackulous osp games earlier were great, felt like real solid neb gaming

[wary flame]

OSP capfleet is a joy

so much less vulnerable to ANS bringing Wierd Shit than the inverse

as long as someone has bloodhound plus MDLN

[tulip vault]

Yeah Im a huge fan of at least some MDs in every 12k

They’re just so useful

Being able to supress capitals and kill small ships at range is very very powerful

[wary flame]

you 100% need them for orbital sprinters/frigates and they're very good for beam DDs

OSP has no other counter to the stratospheric bombers that isn't incredibly risky

[supple sonnet]

speaking of OSP cap fleets and variabilites, we have noticed that CLs don't stand up to roughly 90% of there points in shuttles

is this just an us thing or like have CL players forgoten to fear rickets

[mint sinew]

Feels like a lack of rocket fear. People aren't scouting corners for rockets reliably ime

[tulip vault]

Yeah people just don’t really fear rockets I feel

Admittedly I don’t think you need to in the same way

Though the squadrons of them were performing really well, I think a single rocket shuttle can get pretty shut down by a defender or two

[supple sonnet]

Yeah the squadrens do help with pening PD as well as the Lyerbird jamming out the PD's FCR also helps a lot

[wary flame]

I think one defender per rocket launcher reliably shuts down a rocket strike, sans jamming

which means you do need the lyrebird squadrons

[tulip vault]

Yeah the lyrebird rocket strikes I think are very real

[supple sonnet]

the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man! the hanged man!

Nice Damage!

i think this is some of our best softkillulous ever

wait how did we manage to pull amms out of our ass

[noble zodiac]

55/50

oh dear

[supple sonnet]

Yeah that happens wiht AMM's, we think it counts dubbe intercepts as a an exrtra aunch

[radiant sable]

makes sense

[wet root]

I've definitely been playing too greedily into your rockets recently lol

[glad aurora]

whenever I play a Vauxhall, my innate feral gremlin instincts activate and propel me directly towards the enemy by the most direct route

[supple sonnet]

Ash, have you consiterd the abomibe hoard or any of it's reated feets, they are far better at that sort of agro play then vauxen

[glad aurora]

Yes, which is why my two to three most recent fleets are DD swarms

I now have developed the micro to actually play them right

[quiet quiver]

You're not alone, the other day I had two MMTs get into a visual range gun duel with a vauxhall and mine weren't winning but I doubt the vaux was enjoying it either

Also gosh formations are so much easier to control after being reminded shift-rightclick exists

[glad aurora]

exactly

biggest buff to my micro skills by far

just point at a sprinter and go "yeah, 120 into this schmuck, 250 into the other guy"

[supple sonnet]

We are so used to formations we will shift+Right click even when we have one ship

[glad aurora]

🫵 shuttle main

[supple sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409638848302153732/1163332147231334450/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_9.mp4?ex=65e54d7d&is=65d2d87d&hm=ced632bb9840712be9335d232033860f845b3c6382d3dabd4477279ff07eb8e3&

[junior heron]

The Hanged Man!
That's some very nice beam battleshipping, well done.
Looks like you almost didn't have Terrible missile defense too.

[wicked mirage]

Points basically x.x

The first test for the new Ruby version went really well btw!

This was on the Killboard btw.

It was really brutal vs the 2 Ocello duos they had, because the Ocellos that bow tanked me got bow-to-stern'd by Rails, and the two that didn't to protect themselves against rail damage while fighting me got blasted by the 450's instead.

[supple sonnet]

Nice

[glad aurora]

rail arrays vs ocellos is a fantastic matchup, I think

You can just infinitely kite them if they're not running the 40 m/s setup, and these days ocellos run such little DC that they can't deal with the constant event spam

[wicked mirage]

Best part: I can get away with a single Magazine since Rails aren't as ammo hungry as 450. This Axford has 2 Rails and a Mk68.

[wicked mirage]

Yeah ^^ I have Dragon/Whip for my drives too so I can go decently quick for an Axford.

[glad aurora]

What's the draw of the rail Axford?

I was a bit eh on it when I saw that it cost as much as two Keystones but had the firepower of 1.5 with max buffs.

[supple sonnet]

Armourm DR, higher repair threshold

[glad aurora]

Hm. Fair. I figure the 450's also nice for execution shots/dealing heavy permanent damage instead of just events, even if that brings you down to 1:1 rail firepower vs a Keystone

[olive blade]

To be clear I am genuinely unsure if I'm over valuing rcic it's just a thing I have noticed recently in fleets

[wicked mirage]

It would definitely last longer as an a-cap if I did that.

R-CIC's can't be popped by MD's or 100mm.

Unless it's HE-HC

[olive blade]

Hmm yeah I guess it depends what the role is

[glad aurora]

if it's HE-HC, then your corvette wandered in front of a plas/100 liner and it wasn't surviving anyway

[wicked mirage]

True lol

Or a plas/100 MN, but yeah same difference

Technically however, a Gun Shuttle can carry some HE-HC in order to POS fire the CIC of a disabled Sprinter.

The first shot will make a hole because HE-HC has 8cm armor pen, then the second one will go in.

[olive blade]

I guess, but I'm not sure many people will have it

[wicked mirage]

Yeah it'd be really niche to do that lol

[olive blade]

Maybe if their fleet otherwise has plas

[supple sonnet]

I can say we bring HEHC on our gun shuttles just to take advantage of the stray reactor bloom, or some one elses plasma

[wicked mirage]

Yeah that's really good IMO

It's only 1 point for 250 HE-HC

[supple sonnet]

and shuttle fleets tend not to be short on points

[olive blade]

Though I guess if your sprinter is otherwise busted even if they can't quite kill the cic it's probably not doing much for you

[quiet quiver]

1 MD liner 9 gun shuttles 🤔

[olive blade]

Yeah 1pt is a very cheap hedge

[wicked mirage]

Yeah eventually MD's and 100mm will kill a Sprinter anyway either through critting the drive or reactor, or killing the DC team(s).

And Grape does both of those things very quickly.

[olive blade]

The more I think about it 15 points is a lot for a sprinter

[quiet quiver]

Or redding out the CIC or drive and breaking a non-reinforced locker

[olive blade]

The team survives the locker breaking iirc

[quiet quiver]

Ahh, huh

[wicked mirage]

Yeah

Breaking Lockers simply gets rid of any restores they had left and also removes a component that might otherwise split damage with adjacent components.

[quiet quiver]

And I guess losing the shipwide buffs in the case of DCC/DCX/Workshop

[supple sonnet]

yeah you need to hit the thing the DC team is in to kill them

[wicked mirage]

Yeah.

[olive blade]

Yeah sprinters will mostly have 1 rapid team

[glad aurora]

I'm personally a fan of 3x MD + many AMMs liner with fleet support rail Ocello buddy

[olive blade]

I really like fitting the bloodhound in md fleets

[glad aurora]

last game I had with it was hovering in the stratosphere and slowly sandpapering down the QoH

[glad aurora]

true, but parallax+bullseye is fine in practice if primarily for the burnthrough

I assume if I were to ever to switch to 2x3 MD liners I'd bring either a Perfect Dog or some kind of barebones Spyglass Ocello

[wet root]

While I like the Rail Ocello conceptually, I think it's rather a luxury pick

It's pretty hard to fit it in a 4v4 team comp

[tulip vault]

I really liked @radiant sable's rail ocello + MD liner fleet

[mint sinew]

Yeah, my personal taste is that 3k rails/MD doesn't do twice what a 1.5k investment does in 4v4

[wet root]

Since one cap fleet, one MD+Railcello fleet only leaves two fleets worth of frontline and that can just get run over

[supple sonnet]

I can say that they can be nice to have on the team, 17 was doing good work wiht hers in the ast few games we had

[wet root]

Yeah, there are definitely comps it can work with, IMO it's just a lot safer of a pick in 5v5

[glad aurora]

At 5v5 I think it's more justifiable, yeah

ha

[wet root]

You've got a lot more flex room

Lol

[glad aurora]

Same principle as my rail DD fleet, I think, though ANS has an easier time just bringing meat in the two point five slots of frontline

[wet root]

Yeah, ANS frontline is also more self-sufficient which helps

A random Axford with a bullseye is enough to give you tracks

I should do shore bombardment CA plus mini-array

[glad aurora]

yep, and then my build can also get fireable tracks out to 11.5 anyway and locks inside 9

... but honestly if something's inside 9 of a rail array it's either dying or you're running

I start getting twitchy whenever I'm within "450s can remotely hit me" range

[olive blade]

against the modern ans bombardment fleets that is like 11k

[wet root]

Eh, good to have the capabilities. Speaking as someone who will immediately detach a single MMT to go harass rails the moment I see them

Don't want to have to run your entire array away from one 250-point tug

[glad aurora]

Ayup

I've been vaguely rotating adding some Mk62s in the array so that I can kill a MMT more quickly, but that feels like it's Points I Do Not Have

[wet root]

It's 50 points for 4 mk61s plus ammo

And it means you can fight for caps in a point scramble

[glad aurora]

Yeah, I know - I'm just aware that I quite literally cannot cut anything else unless I cut the intel center

which feels bad

[wet root]

Fair

But on the other hand

You're a rail array, you can afford the micro: scout cruise S2s are a lot cheaper than intel centers

(This is probably not good advice)

[glad aurora]

LMAO

[olive blade]

I also think if you have an ocello and md liner pair, the ocello needs decent pd at least

to cover the liner

[glad aurora]

you could also just fit 50 AMMs in the liner 🙂

[wet root]

My current setup is just a nice fancy 450 Ocello that goes with the frontline and an MD liner that does its own thing

While there's some synergy in the Ocello providing locks from the frontline it's mostly just a matter of filling in two niches well

[olive blade]

you can fit 50 amms on the liner but you are in trouble if they have containers

[wet root]

Being able to spend 1750 points on the Ocello is so nice

[wet root]

ANS containers?

[glad aurora]

imagine

a container filled with four torpedoes

the s4 hybrid

[wet root]

Terrifying

[olive blade]

wait what am I saying

lmao

I guess ssj missiles

[glad aurora]

I think I run 50 AMMs + 2x pavise + grazer on my MD liner

(then the usual on the ocello)

[olive blade]

that probably works

[supple sonnet]

I think that scheama works OK, if no one just trys to test how deep your AMM mag is, but also most foks wont send more then a salvo ot two agesnt a decent PD net untill they think it's degraded

[junior heron]

i'm tentatively interested to try ANS vs ANS and OSP vs OSP when conquest comes out, as teams will be able to build and develop their fleets with mirror factions in mind

[wet root]

Was EO around back in the old days of ANS vs ANS?

[glad aurora]

ah. Yeah, EO vs EO is... a problem

no dazzlers

[wet root]

ANS does have the anti-hybrid PD

[glad aurora]

amusingly enough, I think OSP is very good at countering OSP

pavises vs. containers and mines

[oak shell]

Only very briefly

[wet root]

CMD is pretty scare in OSP vs OSP, presumably

Definitely want to have Hangup Ocellos around to cover your team

[tulip vault]

100mm bulkers sound like an actual nightmare in OSP v OSP

[wet root]

Oof, yeah, 100mm HE probably shreds them

[tulip vault]

100mm HE has 30 cm of pen, bulkers have 20 cm of armour

nothing bad will happen here

gets super hard countered by monitors though I guess

[supple sonnet]

yeah bukers have as much armour as a Rains

[wet root]

100mm MNs seem pretty good, immune to 100mm themselves

[tulip vault]

wait frigates have 20 cm of armour???

[wet root]

More than a Raines at least, they don't get penned by Grape

No, only 15 on them

[tulip vault]

well neither do raines

get penned by grape I mean

[wet root]

They do

[tulip vault]

what

someone has fed me misinformation

[wet root]

It has to be pretty close to a perpendicular hit, but 16cm pen vs 15cm armour

[supple sonnet]

They dont? grape can only pen a sprinter with fresh armour

[tulip vault]

oh okay grape has 16cm- yeah

so like. nominally yes

[supple sonnet]

Ahh ok

[tulip vault]

practically probably not

I see where the confusion has come

[wet root]

Practically pretty easily, Raines like to put their flat face towards enemies

It's definitely worth shooting with Grape when you're outside HE range

[tulip vault]

yeah, fair

not like I ever run out of grapeshot either

[wet root]

It's a 40-degree window IIRC

[supple sonnet]

TBF I do switch to HE on sprinters once i get in close, becsoue an actual kill is better then a reactor bloom when your at sub 1km

Agenst sprinters

[wet root]

Yeah I've regretted overusing grape against Sprinters more than a few times lol

[tulip vault]

the other thing with HE on frigates is it's a lot less of a pain to hit them with it compared to sprinters

[olive blade]

I think the terror in osp mirrors was rocket shuttles iirc

but with the pavise buffs maybe its not as bad

[tulip vault]

I could see it

[junior heron]

mass drivers sound like hell also

[tulip vault]

oh yeah, that sounds incredibly painful

really OSP mirrors sound just like incredible levels of rocket tag or the single longest possible fight between two monitors

[supple sonnet]

I think it would still be as like you can jamm out a Pavies's FCR and then not worry about it.

Grandar t(he) Gyrobooster ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) but with the pavise buffs maybe its not as bad

And if teh launching ships adar is jamed out it wont launch AMM's eather

[wet root]

Grape probably helps out a lot vs rocket shuttles

Also I don't think they pen MNs nowadays?

Can still kill MNs with enough rockets presumably but it's a lot less cost efficient against a 500-point MN than a 1500 Ax

[wary flame]

Re: rails, I've been recommended triple rail DD and 4TC Spyglass Axford

which I like the sound of

[olive blade]

that sounds pretty good

though I do kinda like that dd design

[mint sinew]

I've been running that but trading the third DD for a jamming Raines. It's been working well so far

Still under active refinement, but it's good fun

[lime jungle]

Fleet '4TC testing' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

Promachos : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
   Psilos : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail Gun Sensor PD]
  Toxotes : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail Gun PD]
  Peltast : 'Raines' class Frigate [EWar PD Sensor]

[wicked mirage]

Ah, I helped Hekkura make a fleet just like that! I can help you put one together if you want ^^

[rigid bison]

anyone down for a pubulous?

[supple sonnet]

we could

[wet root]

Alas, no Neb on Mondays for me

[glad aurora]

the eye of sauron continues to be an abomination against all gods of men

[wicked mirage]

Well done Ash, lol

[glad aurora]

Well done to you all, I just S+M1'd

:^)

[wary flame]

I was very happy with my torpcorvs there, I ran each one of them into a separate wing of three gun/rocket shuttles

twice the corv managed to kill all three of them and once it traded for one of them and my S2H frigate and reserve vette managed to mop up the other two

did not expect "spread super thin and play a full court press against the enemy capfleet because we have no frontline" to work quite that well

if they'd had proper lyrebirds and pavises I probably would not have managed it, though

[wicked mirage]

lol

[wary flame]

need to free up points for real weave on the S3H to make damn sure

[wicked mirage]

Hey attacking them all sides is a good strat!

[glad aurora]

I almost wonder if the "no frontline" played to our advantage here given all the bulkers

no real targets for any of them except Pyrope (sorry)

[wary flame]

I actually had the same thought afterwards, us having no frontline meant all their frontline went off chasing your rail fleets and left all the points open for me

although it's a bit of a high risk strategy since if their capfleet player had their shuttle wings properly configured it would likely have been a cap deadlock or a loss

these corvs are designed to go 1v2 with shuttles, but 1v3 is a stretch when each corvette only gets six missiles and the shuttles are 250% of the price

[glad aurora]

theoretically I could've shot at the shuttles too, my tracks were good enough, but I don't know how much rails do to them

my singular job those games was to go "heehee hoohoo" and gaze at the hapless creatures advancing on my position like very determined ants into a magnifying glass

[wary flame]

Normal shuttles don't enjoy rails much, they have barely any DR (if any, I can't remember whether it's 0, 5 or 10%) so you might even be able to grey them eventually

also one DC team is easy to overwhelm

capital ships are more important targets, though, and for some reason all of those had reinforced everything and small DC lockers, so they were unreasonably tough

[glad aurora]

truly a follower of the ash and gold school of reinforced everything shuttles

make them work for it

[tulip vault]

wasting disease

[wary flame]

Far advanced too, it's got the PD and the interruptor as well and lyrebirded it

[glad aurora]

At the point your pavises turn into rebounds I think you just need to be taken off life support and let the disease take you

[quiet quiver]

Pinpoint over Bullseye???

[wet root]

Bullseye + pinpoint is an interesting choice, redundancy and more jam resistance isn't bad

[wet root]

Both, surprisingly

[quiet quiver]

Oh I didn’t see it had both

[wet root]

I think the Bullseye is hiding underneath

Which makes sense since that's the side with the lomger-range weapon

[supple sonnet]

wait, does using 2 fcr at the same time make it harder for them to jam you out?

[glad aurora]

I think it's that the Pinpoint is 3km shorter range (or 2.5km) for more jam resistance at the moment

which is great for my torpcellos

[dire harness]

pinpoint is 6.5km should be slightly weaker than bullseye

[wet root]

Pinpoint's a bit stronger than a Bullseye at every range it can reach

And quite a bit more jamming resistant, I believe

[runic torrent]

https://vxtwitter.com/Secondlina/status/1762253409682399740 new logos for you neb players @olive blade

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHTIIfFXIAE4I9q?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHTIIvvWQAEP1RZ?format=jpg&name=large

[quiet quiver]

Someone on the Nebulous server asked for melee weapons and one of the options they mentioned was "a crane with a knife" so I went and made this

[wicked mirage]

Lol xD

[noble zodiac]

the creature

[wicked mirage]

Reminds me of that Space Engineers video I saw where someone made a giant spring loaded boxing glove as a weapon on a ship.

[noble zodiac]

now mod it into the game :3

[noble zodiac]

literal bonkulous

[wary flame]

my ensign in christ this is Canyon

[tulip vault]

It’s real! The DC-less quad prowler BB is real

[arctic magnet]

quad prowler BB???

[wary flame]

interesting choice of position

[supple sonnet]

wait, only 6km² rcs????

wait, are those m61 guns on the sides?

[wary flame]

it has six GPCs and three magazines

[noble zodiac]

SIX?!??!?

the abominable creature

[wary flame]

the main downside is that it has a frontline and no bullseye so it can't hit anything anyway

the team has fired about 50 S2H and managed to kill a shuttle

[glad aurora]

jesus christ how horrifying

[noble zodiac]

gods

[wary flame]

the Sah/[HOJ] missile frigate fleet is blowing up an ocello squadron that only had one aurora and one MK66 between them
in the manner of the ancient Greek Graeae with their eye and tooth

[noble zodiac]

what the fuck

what else did they have on the C4 mounts???!??

[wary flame]

I should start a youtube channel and cast some of these

[noble zodiac]

yeah lmfao

[wary flame]

Blue League Heroes

[noble zodiac]

"what not to do"

or that

[wary flame]

100mm

[noble zodiac]

why

what the fuck

[tulip vault]

Wasting disease

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-rwby-ruby-rose-uh-oh-fucked-up-gif-25286282

[tulip vault]

It’s contagious I stg

[supple sonnet]

you absolutely should

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) I should start a youtube channel and cast some of these

[wary flame]

PERFECTLY BALANCED

[glad aurora]

"and here, we have... oh dear, it seems that this liner has chosen to place their illuminator on the side opposite their mls-2 launchers. bad luck."

[supple sonnet]

PSA: Put real guns on your ocllo

[wary flame]

AS ALL THINGS SHOULD BE

I didn't even notice it was lining up for a Canyon Draw, I was zoned out after the fighting ended

since there was of course no cap gaming

besides the cap corvs from the 4 prowler BB

that man will go far

[tulip vault]

There’s no way

Nature is healing

[wary flame]

the wastage going from "games watched" to "games good to upload" is quite high, yes

but that one would qualify purely because of the insane BB

[tulip vault]

Did the BB ever shoot anything?

[dire harness]

mines

[noble zodiac]

holy fuckulous

[wary flame]

second game, average ANS comp

opposing are Kyanite, a no-decoy rocket container liner, five MDMNs, four wings of three shuttles and a bloodhound

[glad aurora]

if you read this top-down it's the evolution of an ANS player into embracing HELL CAPITAL BALL

(that said, if OSP picks their fights correctly they should just win this on caps)

(find the CL fleet, MD it to death, then Benny Hill around for the rest of the game)

[supple sonnet]

Do the shuttle wings at least have a lyerbird per wing?

[wary flame]

two shuttles with T20, R18 and pavise, one with double bellbird and pinpoint

fourth wing is six T20s since that's a different player

one group made a run on the BB, bounced off defends since they only had two launchers

container liner died to cruise HEKP at the 10 min mark, doing basically nothing

[supple sonnet]

Not the worst setup, but yeah you only have two RL launchers wich is a problem

[wary flame]

third game has a real capfleet on the OSP side but ANS has three BBs and two CAs, while OSP has two LNs and a pile of poorly built monitors that can't really hurt capital ships

so ANS will almost certainly just sweep with their line of Solomons

they will now sweep even faster because half the MNs sat in their own tug's reactor bloom and now have no armour

[glad aurora]

horrible bastard creature

such a bastard creature, apparently, that hazel cannot comprehend its mysteries

tl;dr:

4x TC spyglass BB, eight barrels of 450, 15 HEI CMD/SACT S3H in the backpack with three S3 activest decoys, and a no radar/no reactor/reinforced everything capshuttle

bit sad I could only fit two AEs, though, with a missile salvo size of 5

(I needed the remaining slots for extra reactors)

(the ship is 2x small whip / 2x big raider)

(it is an abominable creature)

[wet root]

If you bump the missiles to a Raines can you fit the missing AEs? Spending 2800 points on a ship that has less 450 output than an Ocello is painful

[glad aurora]

Realistically, I change one small whip to a big reactor, and then I start replacing small reactors with AEs

but the allure of the battleship with the maneuverability and speed of a cruiser calls to me

[formal tiger]

fast battleship is a way of life

(it's why i play modded lmao)

[wary flame]

37 m/s 120 Axford battlecruiser line has been my gimmick lately for a reason

nobody expects the ANS gunline to run you down like that

[glad aurora]

actually, is three hybrids per salvo enough to penetrate OSP PD these days

I could drop a bus array for another AE like that, which gets to three AE, and then figure out some other stuff to potentially get all the way to 4AE max output...

[wet root]

Three hybrid salvos is what I run on my Axford, the one-two punch of 2xACT[CMD] HEI Bigtail +1xCMD BSSJ HEKP Bigtail has seemed pretty effective, though non-greedy Ocellos will shut it down

[tulip vault]

do your hybrids have basically any penaid

honestly even without, I've seen, and run, incredibly greedy OSP liners very often

[glad aurora]

they're either hardened skin cork or hardened skin weave, forget which

[wet root]

Mixed salvos launch in order from top to bottom I believe, so the BSSJ being last means it covers the forward missiles nicely

[glad aurora]

I know one of the Estoc variants is cork and the other is weave, but I forget which is which between the HEKP or HEI

[tulip vault]

presumably hardened skin pushes it over a breakpoint?

[glad aurora]

aurora breakpoint + goes from one max warhead EL AMM to two

[wet root]

Yes, makes it take 2 AMMs

[glad aurora]

so yes, hm, I can get away with a salvo weight of three, probably...

more AE time 🙂

[tulip vault]

how many AE's does that bring you up to?

[glad aurora]

three

if I drop a small reactor somehow, probably by changing my drive setup, that takes me to four

[wet root]

Can you stuff a PCC in?

[glad aurora]

Already has one

[wet root]

Can you stuff a second one in?

[glad aurora]

🤔

[tulip vault]

hey <@&942093958551588904> is anyone up for one game of nebulous at this moment

[junior heron]

i can maybe be on in a bit

[tulip vault]

how long is a bit?

[glad aurora]

@wary flame What do I arm corvettes with for 52pts incl. launcher

the weave S2H is very good at hitting but not at killing in the numbers I can afford

[wary flame]

double MK62 if you have mounts spare, VLS-3 with two torps and one S3H if you don't and can maybe squeeze an extra point or two

the guncorv will not beat two gun shuttles and is an even roll against a single one at range, you need to close

are they RCIC?

[glad aurora]

the corvette? yes

the shuttle? also yes, I'm using a reinforced everything + 2x pavise shuttle as the target hull

[junior heron]

booting up now

just gonna grab some food in the meanwhile

[tulip vault]

that is a workable bit

[wary flame]

if you reinforced the whole corv, you either give it two MK62s and embrace the cowboy gunslinger lifestyle or you unreinforce the corv, add an aux steering to split damage with the basic CIC and take about 15-20pts more missile

[glad aurora]

goodbye chaff box, you served me well

[wary flame]

can't do chaff on one wing and defender on the other?

double defender double gun vette is MMT fodder

[glad aurora]

😔

five chaff and a ceremonial arming missile it is

[wary flame]

hang on, what's the actual budget and use case here

[glad aurora]

does this make hazel able to comprehend it? we shall see

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'NG 3 Magician' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

   Mirror of Days : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Gun Missile PD EWar Sensor]
Shield of Morning : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
        SGM-101 Hobgoblin : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-H-378 Estoc Mle. 1630 : DIRECT - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [27pts]
       SGT-370 False Idol : DIRECT - NONE - NONE [8pts]

[wary flame]

ah

[glad aurora]

so it does

[wary flame]

yeah, that's a cheap vette

you want four 3pt AMMs there, which is an issue unless you're willing to accept the Hermann Corollary

which is advice I once got that amounts to "cut the active decoys, we chaff & emcon like men"

[glad aurora]

hm, I'm not sure if I have 3pt AMMs anywhere, just 2pt

[supple sonnet]

it is unfortunataly glare o'clock for us right now, but we might be on in a bit.

TronTheAllmighty (He/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) hey <@&942093958551588904> is anyone up for one game of nebulous at this moment

[lime jungle]

SGM-1 Spring is a size 1 missile that costs 3 points.

[wary flame]

got these from Nop, my Currency Conversion AMMs are barely-modified or identical to this

sometimes I increase range a tiny bit for AMM boxes intended to defend a squadron

[glad aurora]

Interesting.

I assume if I take four of these I can beat a MMT

[wary flame]

you will beat the first MMT salvo, at which point he might well assume that you have more of them and not shoot you again

if he's two levels up in the I-know-you-know-I-know game he will keep shooting because he assumes you have eight, and as such he has packed 12 missiles per MMT like I do, so as to exhaust the reserves of a standard torpcorv

but since you can't afford 12 AMMs this will have to do

and it's good enough for government work

[glad aurora]

I can afford 12 AMMs if I remove all my killjoys and active decoys 🙂

[wet root]

I don't recall the last time I used an active decoy lol

This has definitely cost me when I forget to cancel locks

[wicked mirage]

I always try to include a small sum of Active Decoys on important ships precisely because I don't trust myself to always Emcon effectively lol. Also I believe Active Decoy draw enemy missiles more strongly than chaff but I'd need to test this.

[glad aurora]

yes, but I can troll MMTs instead

[supple sonnet]

We put them on our capital ships now, but also the ANS Duncans don't bother with them, nor do we often mess with EMCON with them, but that's more that they can generally hard kill any ""resonable"" missile strike on them is going to get hard killed

[wet root]

I figure this is the best way to force myself to get better at EMCON

Also IIRC chaff starts with a slightly larger sig but decays

I want to say 100k RCS for chaff and 80k for active

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Horse-fleet-moderinazation' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

White Horse : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
  Red Horse : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile EWar PD]
Black Horse : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile EWar PD]
 Pale Horse : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile EWar PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-H-33 Black Rose : DIRECT - CMD/ARAD(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [34pts]
SGT-300 Rod of Iron : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [13pts]
  SGT-336 Crysknife : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [12pts]

[supple sonnet]

and anyones thoughts?

[wet root]

I'm trying to find it now though and all I'm seeing is a mention that Active Decoys have 100k RCS so not sure how accurate this is

[wet root]

Defenders are nice but I feel like it's pretty hard to excuse skipping the chaff box

Personally I would also swap a few RDCs for Larges, more teams and they might get you a few more restores

I do love the double whip Axford, my version runs big Raider instead but that's just a matter of preference

[supple sonnet]

TBF the lack of chaffboxes is to get us back at being good about anti missle jamming, and better about active use of AMM's.

[wary flame]

I like my chaff both because it's dirt cheap and because it is easier to keep it in illuminator cones, it doesn't aggressively fly away from the ship

the main use for Actdecoy in my experience is manually firing it ahead of you at incoming rocket container packs

[wet root]

It seems like it would be really nice to find the 20 points to finish filling up your S3 boxes with 7-point finisher torps, there's so many situations you can toss one at a disabled ship and make sure it stays down

[wary flame]

triggers them more reliably than chaff if you don't have time to stop

[wet root]

That's fair but also I will Gale you

[supple sonnet]

And that's what the size three AAM's are for

[wet root]

And a few blankets on Sprinters won't save you

Ohhh fancy I missed those

[supple sonnet]

If they work

[wet root]

If you fire them at the rearmost missile I can see them clearing a whole salvo

Slightly awkward that it means you can't detach the Sprinters to go kill tugs without risking getting missiled

But then again you can usually tell if there's a missile fleet around pretty early

[wary flame]

The active decoy rocket container thing is still not really worth it because I keep accidentally firing them with shift-z when I only want to chaff, and nobody has tried to rocketbox dump me in ages

[supple sonnet]

But i think i can find 20 points for some finiser torps those sprinters dont need that much defender ammo

[glad aurora]

update: it turns out that the 12 3pt AMMs work fantastically when they're mining C point on aorta

the mine player was not especially pleased I survived

even less pleased when I told my buddy with the hangups to jam his minelayer's comms

[quiet quiver]

Just had a terrible/amazing idea

Fake weave by using SAH/ACT and manually toggling the illuminator on and off so it wiggles between the illum target and its chaff

[wet root]

You can get fake weave on hybrids with ACT[CMD] so it's not an entirely wild idea

Clearly the best method is by doing SAH/CMD and firing it down an ELINT LOB with radar off then pos-firing the illum when the missiles get close enough

[quiet quiver]

Ooh

[dire harness]

the main thing I find with active decoys now is tube space rather than cost

like 8 chaff is pretty much always better

unless you don’t have room

[glad aurora]

death approaches

(all of the raines are the same)

(help)

[wicked mirage]

Did you survive? xD

[glad aurora]

Yes, since if they never see the rail array, they can't fire EO at it

[mint sinew]

Blind firing missiles back up the path of incoming shots is a personal favourite of mine

[wicked mirage]

I see lol

[tulip vault]

well I just got entirely rolled by two gunfrig swarms

that's new

[wicked mirage]

Yeah frig blobs are scary

[tulip vault]

certainly, just been an incredibly long time since I ran into one

[wary flame]

this is the fourth pillars game in a row I've seen decided purely by whether the 1-2 capfleet beams were correctly positioned or not, this is getting kind of old

[tulip vault]

I don’t know if ours was

Actually… you may be right

[dark dawn]

We're reaching that point of a patch where the game is becoming more and more solved

And it's kind of sad

[wet root]

Well

Pillars is getting closer to solved

[dark dawn]

Right, true

I don't even know what 'the meta' is anymore and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

It just seems to be 'anything I'm not playing

[tulip vault]

I think pillars is quite solved yeah

But I really don’t think the meta is that solved

Or if it is there’s a lot of variety within it

[wary flame]

pillars is mapped out to the point every single rock has a counterstrike callout

it's just very locked down

[tulip vault]

You claim they have a CS callout but you’re the only person who Ive ever heard use them lol

Mayhaps this is all an elaborate hoax by you

[supple sonnet]

Yeah there is some level of like The Meta being solved but that's more to do wiht pub games being unorganized shit shows with no coheasion on the team. Like it's not meta to run anti-cap H/K wings of shuttle for the OSP, but it dose work wonders

[sharp crow]

misc just made all this up for the bit

[wary flame]

why on earth would I name something "weeble rock"

[sharp crow]

plausible deniability

[wary flame]

I also like to think I'd be above "the buttcrack" but I can see it

[forest star]

weeble rock is a funny callout

[sharp crow]

I do like weeble rock

[wary flame]

nobody has any idea why it's called "revenge rock"

apparently it's weeble rock because a vet player called weeble used to go there all the time, and all the others are reasonably self-explanatory

[glad aurora]

I assume it's called revenge rock because it's where all the actual ships come out from after getting B to avenge the acap shuttle

[supple sonnet]

Dose anyone but us have any experience in like running an attack wing of FF(L)'s as a secondary part of there fleet?

[glad aurora]

I can usually only afford one, so no, but I have thought about bringing a 1x3 wing and two 3MD liners as a fleet before

[supple sonnet]

If you do, let us know how ratting out cappers and hunting down missle ships goes for you.

[glad aurora]

That's exactly why I was thinking of it, yeah

Have the MD liners for open space, then when they retreat from the MD liners, hit them with the 6x rocket launcher punch

[tulip vault]

this is so fucked up

but also hey, not every rock has a callout

[supple sonnet]

I will say having a lyerbird on one of them relay ups your pen rate, and it's not that much more expencve then a full RL18

[glad aurora]

Hm. Let's actually spin this up real quick

[supple sonnet]

Defenders don't have an EO backup so you can just make them eppy at short rangee wiht one

[runic torrent]

@chilly quiver rush... checks notes

the buttcrack

[wary flame]

missed one but nothing interesting

[supple sonnet]

Halfway rocks is the most resonable named rock after the Donut

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'NG Hierophant' is composed of 5 ships that cost 3000 points:

          Cryptographic Error : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Rail PD]
               Common Mistake : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Rail PD]
                 Odd Accident : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [PD]
           Dropped Apostrophe : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Rocket EWar PD]
Incorrect Semicolon Placement : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Rocket PD]

[glad aurora]

I have no idea whether this is functional, but it's sure something

[olive blade]

I use them a bit

[glad aurora]

it should be over power by such a mark on the bulkers that you can run the rest of the ship if the PD isn't on :^)

[wary flame]

might want to swap to a standard 2TC spyglass tug and use the excess cash on AMMs, but otherwise, likely good

[dire harness]

what’s the rpm?

[dire harness]

ya was thinking the same thing

2 TC is usually plenty for MDs

also more mobile which is nice

[supple sonnet]

I would try to fit in a third shuttle for a more full wing, but 2 might be enough to fuck up a CL.

LT Hazel ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Fleet 'NG Hierophant' is composed of 5 ships that cost 3000 points:

          Cryptographic … 📎

[dire harness]

run around and point your nose at stuff

[glad aurora]

If I drop to a barebones 2TC tug I might be able to afford a third shuttle

maybe

liners are surprisingly expensive

[dire harness]

2 shuttles is good for rocket shuttle wings usually

that’s nice

[olive blade]

but tbh I don't use little frigate groups as much anymore

[wet root]

Is the second JRR actually more efficient than a second PCC?

[dire harness]

maybe basics rather than yards though

[dire harness]

don’t think so?

that might just be with BW2000 though

[supple sonnet]

Fair, i was wondering how good ti is at ConL hunting and pushing lone Bulkers of points

Grandar t(he) Gyrobooster ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) but tbh I don't use little frigate groups as much anymore

[glad aurora]

It isn't, but the second PCC is 5pts more expensive

[wet root]

It also doesn't explode though

[wary flame]

ConL hunting is generally not a valid meta concern any longer because softkill is so good they aren't actually scary

[olive blade]

I don't find many lone bulkers on points, and I tend to find I hunt conL with cruise missiles

[glad aurora]

it turned out that I couldn't run the rest of the ship even with the PD off, however, so I had to buy the second PCC and suck up the cost in chaff

[supple sonnet]

Going off our own personal experince, and how Bal-Con talks 3 shuttles wiht one yerbird gets you the best pen rate per rocket

smolcake <3 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) 2 shuttles is good for rocket shuttle wings usually

[wary flame]

they're just 3k point pinatas for anyone who finds them

[dire harness]

still fun :D

share torps with clns today

[dire harness]

interesting! I’ve always found 2 to be better but fun to know the pen/point thing <3

[olive blade]

I mean the more you have the better pen you get per point right

as you overwhelm pd

[wary flame]

two is generally enough

[olive blade]

its more just how many is enough

[wary flame]

one is maybe not the going setup these days because defenders are rather better

wings of two gun shuttles are actually quite mean, I respect those

[glad aurora]

this entire fleet's concept is "buenos dias, fuckboy" with the MDs when they pop out of cover, and then when they retreat behind cover, "buenos dias, fuckboy" with the rockets

at which point I also expect the MDs to have somewhat attrited their PD

[dire harness]

one is still kinda nice to try and trade for something

like toss it into the back line

use it to kill a scout or even just stall for time

[olive blade]

I was toying with a fleet of one garbage launcher with ~220 missiles and two wings of 3 shuttles with an illum, 4 guns and a jammer each

[dire harness]

wait cln :0

[wet root]

The SAH cruise CLN with illum escorts is an interesting idea

Fragile though, since if your illuminators go down you cry

Also not sure you can get enough illumination in the fleet to reliably get decoy separation early enough under jamming

[dire harness]

ya, not a lot that cost effective either :(

[tulip vault]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone feel like one (1) pub game

[supple sonnet]

Yeah We can see there use, however most of the time our corvs run into them (and we remember jamming) it's a defeat in detail for the x2 gun shutles wings.

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) wings of two gun shuttles are actually quite mean, I respect those

We are up for a pub game

[tulip vault]

alrighty I shall be in activity 1

[supple sonnet]

like we do know that more dispersed feets are better at back-capping and hiding random ships about, but we have been wondering about the overall efecitacy of ratting fleets are overall

[glad aurora]

update: the MD linering would've worked better if I didn't get 90 S2H thrown at me

rocket shuttles worked very well, with the exception that the target they jumped was a beam axford and thus they didn't survive the experience

Does anyone have tips for finding targets with a Bloodhound instead of using the Bloodhound to keep track of a target your scout shuttles or teammates have already located?

Or are you not supposed to find targets with a Bloodhound

[wet root]

That's what an EWR is for

You can sweep the Bloodhound across a point or hold it at a corner you know a Beamstone is lurking behind, but they're not going to sweep the whole battlespace in a hurry

[glad aurora]

Hm. I may have to downgrade to 2x TC tug + EWR instead of the dog

[noble zodiac]

rail plasma ocello

[wet root]

The ereg value!

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-cat-depths-to-the-depths-gif-7441909642438936732

[glad aurora]

"I noticed your 'support ocellos' don't also have support gun options"

"This is just the logical extension"

[quiet quiver]

Some people think railcellos are better vs ANS than railstones are vs OSP

(Railstones vs ANS still do hella work tho)

[dark dawn]

I honestly can see why you'd say that

Not to mention ocellos can actually bowtank with rails

[glad aurora]

Railcellos have better targets into ANS than Railstones do into OSP

and they pay for it with significantly worse output

[dark dawn]

What do you shoot with railcellos?

[glad aurora]

Capital ships

coincidentally, ANS loves those right now

[dark dawn]

Ahhhh

I might try those out then honestly

Question is how to use them effectively, besides the obvious 'don't'

[glad aurora]

pair them with other things that contribute meaningfully to the game

if you're bringing it with anything not a MD liner, take a 450 turret

[supple sonnet]

Some of us like bringing them with Plas/100 MN's as a slow crousal preadtor of capitals

Not a fleet comp that I personaly like but it works

[glad aurora]

update on the previous MD fleet, on that note: swapped the perfect dog for a laundry rack/bloodhound 2x TC tug, that let me bring two more Pavises in the liner formation and a bunch of 2pt AMMs

[quiet quiver]

Oh EWR and bloodhound, yeah I've heard of those

[quiet quiver]

Feels like it's real hard to power tho

[wet root]

Also a bit awkward to position

But saves on points and means more condensed PD

[tulip vault]

It’s hard to power, position, and get good tracks out of either module

But it is certainly cheaper

[wet root]

Technically it might not be cheaper than a bloodhound Tug plus EWR buoy, but EWR buoys come with lots of downsides of their own

Namely that they are piñatas for anyone who looks at them so you really want multiple

[glad aurora]

It's hard to power insofar as you just don't have the EWR and bloodhound on at the same time

kill them. kill them all.

(this track, for reference, was a BB who showed up on radar, got prio marked, and then immediately lit up by no less than 15 mass drivers)

[wet root]

Shouldn't have been seen

Clearly that BB needed more Prowlers

[formal tiger]

[wicked mirage]

<@&942093958551588904> Bideo gaem?

[dire harness]

neb :D

[wicked mirage]

nebbu!

[quiet quiver]

Bideo gaem!

[wicked mirage]

yay!

We're in Activity 2

[oak shell]

Fire ALL of the missiles

[junior heron]

Found it!

the fabled OSP comms jamming!

it's in the Supplementary Radio Amplifiers

*Techhead found it

[wicked mirage]

@wary flame

Containers are great once you get the hang of them!~

[dark dawn]

Hang on, Semi-active containers?

[wicked mirage]

Laser guided pizza delivery

[dark dawn]

Are the illuminators on the container ship or on something else?

[wary flame]

I like it, are they the really slow, really corkscrewy variant?

[noble zodiac]

DIRECT containers

suffering and woe

[wicked mirage]

They're 205 m/s with 3.0g on Maneuverability and have Corkscrew ^^

[wicked mirage]

On the CLN

[wary flame]

ah, the pubstomper 8005

surprised you didn't mix in a few SAH/HOJ boxes

[wicked mirage]

heh xD

[glad aurora]

true pubulous experience incoming

[wet root]

Ah, the triple-Axford classic

[wary flame]

the duality of minetug

now time for spectateulous

[tulip vault]

yeah have fun with that one misc, I do not feel like playing into most of a stack as OSP on nyx

[glad aurora]

MDs 🙂

[wary flame]

incredible bulker design

[rigid bison]

severe wasting disease, could get the same number of MD barrels with largely the same PD from a monitor

[glad aurora]

what does it do

[wet root]

I could see myself doing that by accident, if I were making a bulker in a hurry and using the left panel to add weapons

2xMD bulker isn't ridiculous

[quiet quiver]

"Largely the same PD"... Misc that has 7 pavises and a chaffbox

(There could be AMMs in it but I doubt it)

[wary flame]

that wasn't me saying it had the same PD

[quiet quiver]

Note that the MDs are on opposite sides

[wary flame]

it was perfectly symmetrical, it was clearly intentional

it also had 39 flares and no chaff

[quiet quiver]

SMH

Though I was right about no AMMs

[rigid bison]

anyone down for a pubulous?

[wet root]

Yep. But when you're using the left panel to put weapons in, the slots are adjacent

(No pubulous for me at least until later, alas)

[tulip vault]

I would reccomend pinging the role

[wet root]

Ah, welp. I guess they're planning on driving perfectly bewteen two fleets

[tulip vault]

(Also no sadly)

[gusty imp]

I'm finally reinstalling Nebulous and trying to learn how to play

[junior heron]

I believe 1, 3, 6, 8 are port-side weapons

it swaps halfway through

1, 2, 3, 4 alternate port/starboard

and then one side gets repeated