#Nebulous: Fleet Command
runic torrent
glad aurora
low-quality tracks
maybe they were using ships with only spyglass/frontline or something
or worse, osp cmd without a properly fitted ocello
tulip vault
They mentioned radar locks
Also this review seems to have been made before the OSP came out
Or at least, written then
glad aurora
Hm, fair enough. I'd just be surprised if it was delayed in publication for that long.
tulip vault
I do think by far the best point it makes about nebulous is the fact that it gets so many things just like. Kinda wrong? Which isn’t the fault of the journalist by any means, they did quite a good job
It’s just a very strong critique to me, that the person writing it got so many things incorrect about the game mechanics
It really does show where the game lacks in clarity
glad aurora
Yeah, what I just wrote sounds absolutely deranged to a newbie
"what's so bad about spyglass ships for missiles? why do I need an ocello for CMD and what should I put on it?"
sometimes it feels like nebulous is one of those games where you have to break out a flowchart to explain your fleetbuilding decisions, which - don't get me wrong - is one of the things I like about it
wary flame
Nebulous reminds me of Oldschool Runescape in that every time you have a conversation with another veteran about it it sounds incomprehensible for about six different reasons
obviously many things are like that but those are the two I'm familiar with
wary flame
no story mode, at the time of writing, just a selection of deathmatch variants and objective modes to play against the AI or, shudder, the game's small community of inevitably over-practised players.
this poor man
grand pine
i mean it sure seems like it, a lot of commodores
olive blade
the awkward bit of games journalism is just that they don't really have time to learn complex games
so the reviews are always like "damn this game was hard, its players are good, here are some mechanics I missunderstand, looks cool if you learn it?"
sly glade
yeahh. In theory early press releases + review embargoes (that still get dropped well before release) can help with that, but even then it's like, the amount of money journalists make on an article doesn't increase with the amount of effort they put into it
And it's actually kinda the reverse past a certain point
wary flame
looking briefly at this chap's bylines he wrote something like half a dozen articles in the last two days
which indicates he doesn't actually have time to go ask the players how the game works, or even do more than boot it up, play the tutorial and 1-2 pubs
sly glade
so the best you can kinda hope for (and that's mostly what I listen to) are self-employed types with patreons who are into the specific things you are into
tulip vault
yeah no like no shade that this person doesn't understand every intricacy of a game that I don't fully get and have been playing near non-stop for 2 years
I am also so proud that it was not compared to the expanse
good job rps
olive blade
.length the Roger Ebert of strategy gaming
glad aurora
looking briefly at this chap's bylines he wrote something like half a dozen arti...
to be fair, that does lend credence to the supposition from earlier that this was actually written pre-OSP update and was just published now
wet root
There is a picture of some bulkers but I could definitely believe they've had the article mostly-written since then and just booted it up to get some pictures
tulip vault
@junior heron it's the retro version of that BB
tulip vault
arctic magnet
bit random, but I was wondering why my liners died to Vauxhall 250s so fast last boat night and
in retrospect, I think a liner design that points its ventral/dorsal surface towards the enemy is slightly ill-considered
(and okay, the DPS from like 5-6 Vauxes is a lot actually)
mint sinew
in retrospect, I think a liner design that points its ventral/dorsal surface tow...
What's your compartment layout? If you point your dorsal side to the enemy you can use the very tanky XL compartments like the citadel mag and DC Complex to weather a lot of fire
Oh, also that exact hull is less tanky when used as a turreted bulker. If you look at the compartments the smaller compartments aren't lined up under the big ones. If you get a different layout you gain a lot more durability on your intended angle of engagement.
I'm personally a fan of the midsection with the "wings" that stick out the sides. Gives you vertical PD mounts for C53s, clear forward arcs for a pair of turrets and good internals.
wet root
(and okay, the DPS from like 5-6 Vauxes is a lot actually)
Yeah I don't think anything stands up to two fleets worth of ANS' second highest DPS gunship for very long
(I think 120 Raines outperform them if you go three guns per)
junior heron
(I think 120 Raines outperform them if you go three guns per)
speaking of, even though they died instantly the "just 10 fun gun frigates" fleet did some pretty decent damage
grand pine
fun frigates, not gun frigates?
tulip vault
okay I've been doing some missile testing
I think just cranking the gs on a corkscrew maneuver does in fact work to bypass 20mm, even in its current state
wet root
For torps, I presume?
quiet quiver
You looking at defender or pavise or both?
tulip vault
Both, but the pavise is kinda just better defender so
supple sonnetBOT
So how menay G's do you need to bet a Pavise, roughly
tulip vault
Sadly Im now away from my computer
But it’s more than Id like
And of course if the missile decides to try and hit the pd turret itself it’s just completely fucked
wary flame
in retrospect, I think a liner design that points its ventral/dorsal surface tow...
the triple-threat top towards enemy liners are easily OSP's best CQC tool right now, but you have to really pack them with the durability compartments and make sure all the vitals are shielded behind reinforced stuff further up in the same compartment stack
if you have spare compartments, aux steering them up
wary flame
And of course if the missile decides to try and hit the pd turret itself it’s ju...
this is why I've moved away from torpedoes against shuttles, there's basically nowhere on a shuttle that a torpedo can hit that won't dive directly into the pavise
against tugboats you have a far better hit ratio because the side, top and bottom mounts are masked right before the torpedo hits the pain zone, firing straight-on
I am considering torptugs with a pavise on the casemate slot
mint sinew
Losing the casemate cannon is at least an interesting trade in capability
wet root
What's the elevation on a Pavise? Amusingly the corkscrew might make it easier for the nose Pavise to hit head-on torps
89 degrees, so pretty negligible blind spot
tulip vault
this is why I've moved away from torpedoes against shuttles, there's basically n...
Yeah Im trying out s2 capvettes
The torps and hybrids just aren’t cutting it
quiet quiver
You also testing min angle vs free approach?
wary flame
hybrids are really doing it for me but it does reduce the number of shuttles I can theoretically murder
wet root
How much does the VLS/CLS-3 cost on a C3, again? Curious how many cork S2s you can get for the same price as 6 15-point S3H
(I think that's how much my ACT[CMD] fishtails cost)
wary flame
you can get a decent weave S2 count, but the issue is mostly that they die to the same AMMs the S3H do
tulip vault
How much does the VLS/CLS-3 cost on a C3, again? Curious how many cork S2s you c...
If you want to hit not really that many more I don’t think
wary flame
whereas the VLS3 can pack torps, which don't care about AMMs, as well as S3H that don't care about pavises
tulip vault
I will admit the game I played where a shuttle took two torps on the chin, suffered basically no damage, and then rocketed me point blank did sour me on them a bit
I think the s2s are just a bit more versatile
wet root
Just wait until they get comms jamming (the ability to scream)
rigid bison
Got the perfect name for an SSC ewar frame ig
sharp crow
why is this person putting umlauts on moth
fresh storm
I first started working on it as a joke but I'm starting to seriously consider running railgun ocello + MD bulk
wary flame
why is this person putting umlauts on moth
presumably because of the other meme about moths and lamps
although I have no idea why there's umlauts there either
wary flame
starting to like Ysune's bombastic naming scheme where they name everything after themselves very loudly
tulip vault
that is good
wary flame
tulip vault
I can't tell if that's talking to me or if it's a reminder for ysune lmao
wary flame
I think it's a reminder but it worked
ate 10 PD-less frigates, two CHs, a surrender CL, a few corvs and two CAs
formal tiger
and we light up the sky
soad reference spotted
oak shell
How do 10 frigates not have 1 defender between them?
grand pine
maybe they thought each ship needs a bullseye to benefit from lock-on
junior heron
How do 10 frigates not have 1 defender between them?
its hard to build a 300 point frigate with a defender
the mk61 is 10 points, a defender is 25? 20?
toxic scaffold
I first started working on it as a joke but I'm starting to seriously consider r...
We have a Railceollo + MDMN fleet that works failty decently
wet root
the mk61 is 10 points, a defender is 25? 20?
20 plus ammo
supple sonnetBOT
2km for normal ones and 3km for sprints IWRC
tulip vault
alright, thanks
very helpful :)
okay yeah you might've won us the game thanks ilkay o7
@wary flame as the cap gaming connoisseur I have a fleet for your consideration
lime jungleBOT
<@267391246509670400> as the cap gaming connoisseur I have a fleet for your cons...
Fleet '3.0k - S2 Cap Fleet' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:
Melin Gwaed : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor]
Swynwr Dialgar : 'Raines' class Frigate [Sensor Missile PD]
Damwain : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Dilyw : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Dim ond a Murddun : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Arfaeth Terfynol : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 5 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-123 Aderyn Ryhfedd : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-132 Fflowlyn Block V : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
SGM-208 Brysgyll Block III : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [11pts]
SGM-267 Peredur : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-211 Glas y Dorlan : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [11pts]
tulip vault
it's distressingly low on ships, but it has a few virtues to offset that:
-intel
-believe it or not but the pd net on the vettes can actually defeat a rocket salvo from two launchers
-the s2's are really consistent except against amms which like, of course they aren't, but that's what the gun and the 13 of them each are for
I've played two games with them and have had a lot of success
wary flame
don't want to cut them with arad/act S2s in case they jam you?
tulip vault
that's not a bad idea, actually, thanks
I am not the missile person, I wouldn't have thought of that
supple sonnetBOT
Gald to be of help
TronTheAllmighty (He/They) ↩️
tulip vault
uhhhhhh
I'm about to dota misc but remind me to clip some weird behaviour with arad missiles for you
fresh storm
junior heron
from the dev gallery, for those not on the nebcord:
Things are getting busy among the moons of Jewel's Rest.
One of the biggest challenges with the Conquest map is the fact that things occur at two different scales. The planets are drawn at a true scale but the moon systems are expanded to make them more readable from greater zooms. Without this, the difference in scale between planets and moons would make the system look very empty. Check Devlog #26, the original map prototype, to see what I mean.
While the scaling does help readability, it also makes it difficult to know where ships truly are if they're not contained in the same moon system. This hasn't been a problem before because all of the activity in our testing was contained within the moons, but with the addition of cargo ships carrying ore from asteroids all over the system it became messy. These ships would fly to the true position of the moons, not the visually scaled up ones, and then disappear on arrival giving you no sense of where they were.
The improvements shown off here allow ships entering moon systems from outside to know when they've entered the influence radius of the planet and scale their true position to the magnified area. You can see the small icons below the moon system because they are out of focus, and when they enter the influence radius they appear at the edge and fly in.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409639847356137473/1202956551841775616/Unity_fiUoeLDoKC.mp4?ex=65cf5797&is=65bce297&hm=3e2550a0df2704ae61fdf9403ecf396473d6a381b325f805ccb95e939538387c&
sharp crow
frightening to think all of those comets are a potential game on caltrop
tulip vault
It might just be that Im watching this on my phone but I don’t think I understand really what’s going on?
(I do really appreciate ccing the dev gallery here for all us who dislike the nebcord though)
rigid bison
It’s…weird. I still say Mazer should bite the bullet and make moon systems to-scale, makes space look bigger and is still special as a lot of Stuff that a ship can get to.
past light
It’s…weird. I still say Mazer should bite the bullet and make moon systems to-sc...
I'm pretty sure the moon systems are still to-scale. They just have a magnified view on the strat map so that you can see ship positions better while not zoomed completely in.
It's a view thing, not a travel distance thing
past light
It might just be that Im watching this on my phone but I don’t think I understan...
I had to watch it twice before I figured it out. The tiny icons are the ships on the solar system scale, the bigger icons are in a moon system (the view is zoomed in). The yellow dotted circles are the edges of the zoomed in moon system views. If you track a tiny ship icon, when it reaches the moon system it blips into view as a big icon in the appropriate yellow circle.
Hopefully that explanation makes some sense?
Ack, I'm wrong. Dunno what the yellow circles are; the big grey circle is the zoomed in view of the moon system
At the start, you can see some tiny ship icons moving toward the moon system here
Once they arrive, they become vizible in the zoomed view
past light
Ack, I'm wrong. Dunno what the yellow circles are; the big grey circle is the zo...
OK, maybe it's both?? In the zoomed view, arriving ships appear at the edge of the grey circle, while leaving ships disappear at the edge of the yellow circle?
wary flame
it's picture-in-picture, delineated by the world's least visible line
past light
Yeah, and made harder to read by the fact that the outer picture still renders stuff inside the inner picture. 
I wonder if it would be easier to read if the zoomed in view was rendered off to the side in empty space, instead of in place on top of the system map.
It is a really hard visibility problem to solve, though. This shows you accurate vectors between both zoom levels.
tulip vault
Honestly straight up picture in picture would be good yeah
wary flame
OSP really like Oops All Bulkers today
noble zodiac
Ack, I'm wrong. Dunno what the yellow circles are; the big grey circle is the zo...
yellow circles are radar ranges afaik
wary flame
I'm finally getting to rip into people with the sidearm axfords, although I'm still not great with them
rolled wrong and took a basic act container or two
they decided they didn't want to go for chaff today
tulip vault
I think active decoys are a very valuable investment on the sidearm axfords
wary flame
they have a couple
but I did keep some killjoys/bowling balls in case of SAH/HOJ dumps
they work great on those still
16x 120 and 10x 450 barrels feel great in a gunfight
rip and tear
glad aurora
the life of a vauxhall main: "Oops All Bulkers" being both positive and negative depending on your self-confidence
wary flame
came up on a broadsiding ocello and disabled it before it could even get turned around to face me
I might drop the Act/[CMD] missile sidearm for two more ammo elevators
they currently only have 4 each and I feel I really want to be squeezing out all the performance possible from that many guns
tulip vault
I am very impressed by your sidearm oak
But I can’t really convince myself to run a pure capital fleet in pubs
I also would feel very sad giving up on blanket gaming
Do both the ships have killjoys or is it still one s2 and one with a disco
wary flame
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Sidearm Axfords' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:
Kim Kitsuragi : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun Missile PD EWar]
Raphael Ambrosius Costeau : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-208 Pinball Champion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [10pts]
SGM-210 The Kimball : DIRECT - NONE - NONE [7pts]
wary flame
Ah, I do have five ammo elevators on one, I'd only need 20pts to max it
I could get 60pts back ditching the CVAR shuttle killers and put it into ammo elevators, another DC locker and a couple of active decoys
but it's kind of nice to be able to bonk stuff
tulip vault
I dont really know if you need missiles to hit shuttles with 16 barrels of 120
wary flame
I will admit a lot of it is my desire to get something out of that giant missile launcher beyond four killjoys
tulip vault
That’s entirely fair
wicked mirage
This is my new favorite toy atm
lime jungleBOT
This is my new favorite toy atm
Fleet 'Summer {PLD} (BmCH+ECL)' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:
Summer Rose, Paladin : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Beam Gun PD Sensor]
Hallowell, Rosary Angel : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [PD EWar Missile]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-133 'Red Scythe' Anti-Clipper : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-212 Emerald Thorn : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [8pts]
SGM-213 Garnet Thorn : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(WAKE)] - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-232 Meteor Shards : DIRECT - CMD/ARAD(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [16pts]
wicked mirage
I'm too spoiled on dragon/whip/raider Ax's, I can't stand any other drive setup on them xD
wary flame
all mine have that setup, I don't know how anyone plays a capital without maximum schmovement
tulip vault
power, misc, power
my sidearm axfords are just dragon whip, which feels a little sad, but I have jammers to run
junior heron
yeah I don't know how anyone plays capitals without at least one 4800
tulip vault
yeah my single axford has more than that combined
supple sonnetBOT
Yeah the queen of hunder is dubble (big) dragon, dubble whip. but we don't mind not being able to dodge when she can turn at a decent rate and out flank TF Oak
junior heron
though this does interest me in re-trying out 120s in the wings on the solomon
sidearm axford seems good
wary flame
I was just thinking earlier today
dirt cheap 250 solomon with cheek 120s
the bullet hose
tulip vault
I don't think the wings of the solomon have the arcs
no misc
don't do it
not the 250 solomon
supple sonnetBOT
We think it ocud work if you like angle your soloman like an ocello to get some of the cheek guns into angle and not shooting there armoured cowl
junior heron
looks like this is the vaguely the convergent zone, if my linework is accurate
tulip vault
do the 120s have the elevation to do that
junior heron
70 degrees
tulip vault
I'm so bad at eyeballing
junior heron
so that line from the cheek is trying to be 70 degrees up
tulip vault
I could see it working
junior heron
and the one from the side is just trying to trace the edge of the marker
okay, looks like the rearmost gun has a very small window where it can fire at the same target as the cheek 120
wary flame
capfleet improved with some help from @wicked mirage , bomber frigate is now considerably more expensive but has an adaptive spyglass, three channels and a blanket, for optimum scouting
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Cleric Capfleet ARR' is composed of 8 ships that cost 3000 points:
Cleric Of Solomon : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile EWar PD Sensor]
Cleric of Jagganoth : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor]
Penitent : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Mendicant : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Templar : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Hospitaller : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Deacon : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Sacrifice : 'Sprinter' class Corvette []
```This fleet uses 7 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-111 Currency Conversion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
SGM-200 Cantaloupe Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-211 Puffin Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [11pts]
SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APT : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [18pts]
SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APV : DIRECT - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [17pts]
SGT-358 Gom Jabbar : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [12pts]
wicked mirage
capfleet improved with some help from <@158082040107892737> , bomber frigate is ...
Heck yeah! Looks great Misc, I updated my cap fleet with a bomber frig too xD
junior heron
@wary flame come leak sensitive enemy team information to me
(or not if you're elsewhere)
wary flame
reactor fell out
all four of the bloodhound tugs in this blue match have caught a strange wasting disease
dire harness
reactor fell out
all green ships with a single grey compartment are funny
wicked mirage
all green ships with a single grey compartment are funny
Oh hey c- CAKE?! Since when did you get on Pnet? xD
wicked mirage
@wary flame Hey Misc! I updated my Capfleet with some frigate bomber tech. Basically the idea is that the 3 warm colors go into orbit and hunt enemy scouts and MMT's, while the 4 cool colors go low and secure the natural and fight for A. What do you think? 
lime jungleBOT
<@267391246509670400> Hey Misc! I updated my Capfleet with some frigate bomber t...
Fleet 'Rainbow Shards (Intel+Cap)' is composed of 7 ships that cost 3000 points:
Ruby Shard : 'Raines' class Frigate [Sensor PD Missile]
Emerald Shard : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Gun PD Sensor]
Tigerseye Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD Sensor]
Citrine Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD Sensor]
Lapis Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
Iolite Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
Amethyst Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 7 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-102 Starshard : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-123 Ruby Thorn : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [4pts]
SGM-123 Star Ruby Thorn : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-133 'Red Scythe' Anti-Clipper : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-221 Fire Dust Flare : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(WAKE)] - HE SHAPED [15pts]
SGM-H-221 Rosaline Shard : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [16pts]
SGM-H-232 Meteor Shard : DIRECT - CMD/HOJ(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [15pts]
night fable
And we're live, with yet more NEBULOUS: Fleet Command viewer games! Temporarily moved up to Friday in the schedule because I was busy on Wednesday!
https://www.twitch.tv/docvivileandra <@&942093958551588904>
wicked mirage
And we're live, with yet more NEBULOUS: Fleet Command viewer games! Temporarily ...
I would love to play but I gotta do tester stuff today x.x
night fable
how dweebish
supple sonnetBOT
we could do boats
wet root
Ooh, I might be able to catch part of a Vivistream
wet root
<@267391246509670400> Hey Misc! I updated my Capfleet with some frigate bomber t...
ARR on the Emerald is interesting tech, is that to help cut through jamming?
wicked mirage
ARR on the Emerald is interesting tech, is that to help cut through jamming?
The frontline is a weak stinky radar that normally can't see Shuttles until like almost 4km and then you die from rockets
ARR bumps that up to almost 6km+
wet root
Ooh interesting
Didn't realize it's that significant of a difference, might have to steal that
oak shell
It's my first time on vivistream, what should I do
wet root
Beamstones have so much difficulty fitting a real radar in their power, that's a nice balance
junior heron
conquest detected
(apparently there have been other lobbies, but this is the first one I've seen)
tulip vault
@junior heron did that plasma liner win?
junior heron
the plasma liners killed the beamstones and got a little damage on the axford, but unfortuantely were defeated
I played with them in the following game and they apparently did quite well, before running into beamstones again and dying
wary flame
<@267391246509670400> Hey Misc! I updated my Capfleet with some frigate bomber t...
I like it, although I think your guncorvs might have some trouble against the fairly common double or triple gun shuttle wings since you're short on bodies to double up on them in return. Might want to condense the VLS-1s, cut some of the bomber's S1 offensives since it can fairly trivially murder shuttles with the S2H and get a second gun on each corv.
R drives is a nice touch, if I had the cash I'd test that myself.
Cruise bomber also cool, I have considered going for the ultimate discount setup and just chucking EO at bloodhound tracks, but proper cruse and decent salvo size is probably more reliable. A lot of scouts have enough AMMs for one or two S3H these days.
tulip vault
the plasma liners killed the beamstones and got a little damage on the axford, b...
Tragic
dire harness
Oh hey c- CAKE?! Since when did you get on Pnet? xD
5 days before you somehow!? :D
wicked mirage
I like it, although I think your guncorvs might have some trouble against the fa...
Alrighty, yeah I'll keep that in mind and take another look at the fleet, thanks!
dire harness
oh caps!
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Rainbow Shards (IntelCap) Cake 1.0' is composed of 7 ships that cost 3000 points:
Ruby Shard : 'Raines' class Frigate [Sensor PD Missile]
Emerald Shard : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Gun PD Sensor]
Tigerseye Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD Sensor]
Citrine Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD Sensor]
Lapis Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
Iolite Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
Amethyst Shard : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 8 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-100 a weapon : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-102 Starshard : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-123 Ruby Thorn : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [4pts]
SGM-123 Star Ruby Thorn : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-133 'Red Scythe' Anti-Clipper : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-221 Fire Dust Flare : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(WAKE)] - HE SHAPED [15pts]
SGM-H-221 Rosaline Shard : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [16pts]
SGM-H-232 Meteor Shard : DIRECT - CMD/HOJ(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [15pts]
dire harness
looks amazing! <3
wary flame
@tulip vault what was that strange arad behaviour you mentioned?
tulip vault
oh right
let me see if I can replicate it real quick
@wary flame
oh whoops my music's playing over it
wary flame
I was about to say, high tier editing
I like it
I'm not sure why they stopped terminalling
theoretically they should just terminal all the way in, since arad can't read distance
tulip vault
I'm really not sure either, especially since it narrowed out?
like the spiral grew smaller
glad aurora
the music makes this so much better
tulip vault
okay homing on a radar the corkscrew 100% gets smaller but not as drastically
I'm wondering if it's because they're homing in on a specific point that's very close in front of them because of how jamming works with arad?
I dunno it's really weird
glad aurora
it looks like they're getting pulled towards the center of the signal, proportional to signal strength - the narrowing of the terminal behavior (or its disappearance) is when they're effectively getting yanked into a straight line right on the target
junior heron
could that be when the seeker goes from seeing the jamming to seeing the radar?
tulip vault
I mean if that were the case based on how they behave homing on a radar the terminal would get bigger again
junior heron
are you firing on the jamming lob here?
tulip vault
yes, specifically
I haven't tried but it would be truly bizarre if it changed based on what it was targeting
might be worth seeing though, I dunno
junior heron
pretty sure the lob is arbitrarily far away as a target, but i would guess there's some logic to make ARAD terminals even out eventually.
if or why that amounts to anything i don't know
bitter furnace
frightening to think all of those comets are a potential game on caltrop
I think this is a misunderstanding driven by an unfortunate choice for placeholder name. The "comets" are enemy cargo ships, you can see them heading for the opponent controlled moons and stations
oak shell
I think this is a misunderstanding driven by an unfortunate choice for placehold...
See, this is why when I did my in-universe phonetic alphabet, I named them after things that would not actually be in space
low pier
I don't know I think there are plenty of dragons in space
quiet quiver
This is why I don't like November and Uniform
But also I wonder if conquest letterings will go to Z
wicked mirage
Oooo oh fun!~
junior heron
won't be at boat night today
dire harness
what's boat night?
junior heron
every week we have a coordinated time we all get on and play together. should be in the pins (which i can't see in mobile for some reason).
sharp crow
the pin didn't get updated but it's every saturday at <t:1706990400:T>
tulip vault
every week we have a coordinated time we all get on and play together. should be...
to see pins in forums on mobile you have to click on the name of the forum thread, then open settings from there
why? who knows
the enigmatic will of the discord devs shall remain unknowable
junior heron
why? who knows
if only there were some other place already had to see pinned messages on mobile
fresh storm
oh huh it is in fact boat night today
junior heron
(boat night happens at 2pm for me so it feels incorrect to actually call it "tonight")
grand pine
is it boat night time?
runic torrent
<@&942093958551588904> my bad, just opened the channels
supple sonnetBOT
We are goign tobhave to pass again on boats as our body is being unco-oprative
supple sonnetBOT
ooh, boat night!
dire harness
every week we have a coordinated time we all get on and play together. should be...
oh fun!
grand pine
the boat night is fun
olive blade
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Brain genius' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:
3:30AM Brain Genius : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD EWar Missile Sensor]
Flaw : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-100 Dummy : DIRECT - NONE - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-200 Protest Sign : DIRECT - NONE - HE FRAG [8pts]
sly glade
What the fuck
grand pine
a beamlomon?
wary flame
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Escorted DDs' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:
Independance UwU : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun EWar Missile PD]
Coronado OwO : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun EWar Missile PD]
Saver of Glennie : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD]
Flaw Hairy : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGT-380 Farlap : DIRECT - CMD/HOJ(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [12pts]
olive blade
done
full apex
thank you
olive blade
sorry was a little distracted
full apex
no worries
minor raven
TY MR MAN
wary flame
Fleet 'Cleric Capfleet ARR' is composed of 8 ships that cost 3000 points:
```yam...
@minor raven
wary flame
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Fleet 'Cleric Capfleet Blanket' is composed of 8 ships that cost 3000 points:
Cleric of Jagganoth : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
Cleric Of Solomon : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile EWar PD Sensor]
Mendicant : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile EWar PD]
Hospitaller : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile EWar PD]
Penitent : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Templar : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
Sacrifice : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
Offering : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 7 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-111 Currency Conversion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
SGM-200 Cantaloupe Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-211 Puffin Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [11pts]
SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APT : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [18pts]
SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APV : DIRECT - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [17pts]
SGT-358 Gom Jabbar : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [12pts]
wary flame
tinkering with anti-tug measures
what if I just fought in pairs
two corv pairs, beam DD, bomber, two acaps
and then you contest less points at once
olive blade
but what if they took a trio to fight your pair
wary flame
this means every unit doesn't get immediately torped
tulip vault
hmm
I do like having jamming
though no guns is a bit iffy
(btw misc I had a really good time playing capfleet against you, it was really fun)
wary flame
no shit you did, you won by a pretty large margin
I don't rate the guns honestly
the guns serve one purpose and it's finishing stuff you cripple with the missiles
any OSP guns unit will kill you and even their missile boats have sidearms big enough to fight off a gun corvette
tulip vault
no shit you did, you won by a pretty large margin
I mean I dunno it was fun to play against an actual cap fleet, yknow?
but yeah the guns do only serve to finish things off but not being able to finish things off feels kinda sad
I dunno
wary flame
I do think the pavise might need a slight nerf since it is Very Cheap and Very Good
tulip vault
I guess if you're flying in pairs it might be fine
wary flame
if it was only about as good as a defender I'd just fire two torps
and yes, the idea is I have two pairs, a beam DD and the bomb frig, which go for three points at game start
and the enemy just get the other one
OSP get more of the map but such is life, 450pt torptugs just eat your lunch if you try to solo them with anything below a CL
oak shell
I take it boat night has concluded
lime jungleBOT
Fleet '3.0k - OSP Cap Tron' is composed of 9 ships that cost 3000 points:
Marchog Cywir : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile Gun PD]
Marchog Anwir : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile Gun PD]
Marchog Dialgar : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile Gun PD]
Heliwr o'r Meirw : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile EWar Gun Sensor PD]
Blaenor o Llid : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile EWar Gun Sensor PD]
Dim ond a Murddun : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile EWar Gun Sensor PD]
Celain : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
Rhosyn Marw : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
Arfaeth Terfynol : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-123 Aderyn Ryhfedd : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-132 Fflowlyn Block IV : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
SGM-208 Brysgyll Block III : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [11pts]
SGT-301 Ebargofiant : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [15pts]
wary flame
ty
supple sonnetBOT
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Solomon Beams P-NEO' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:
The Hanged Man : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
The Hanged Man : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [EWar]
Three of Pentacles : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
Ten of Frogs : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Dagger : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE FRAG [1pts]
SGM-166 No Thank You, Please : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
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Fleet 'Solomon Beams P-NEO' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:
The Hanged Man : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
The Hanged Man : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [EWar]
Three of Pentacles : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
Ten of Frogs : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Dagger : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE FRAG [1pts]
SGM-166 No Thank You, Please : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
wary flame
you'll want to arm the deception ship somehow
it'll show up as a Solomon, but if it doesn't have a weapon intel will still mark it Harmless
and Solomon (Harmless) is going to rumble you basically instantly
it's also always worth giving everything the free magazine, free berthing and a 10pt rapid team
Rmag and berthing are free HP, rapid means you don't die the moment anything goes red
radiant sable
radiant sable
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Fleet 'Solomon Beams P-OCH' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:
The Hanged Man : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
Three of Pentacles : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
Ten of Swords : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Dagger : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE FRAG [1pts]
SGM-166 No Thank You, Please : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
radiant sable
@wicked mirage
noble zodiac
from ANS or from OSP?
grand pine
pretty ship
wary flame
absolutely no bangers in the pub gaming spectator leagues today
ANS bringing Some Capital Ships has been enough to just utterly roll about 80% of the games I've seen
OSP has lost all inclination to apply 450 directly to forehead
tulip vault
I have been feeling much the same thing honestly
much of the games I've been in have been me winning the cap war very easily since they have no light ships and then my entire team crumpling behind me as four heavy cruisers walk over everything
wary flame
I think at least some of it is that OSP has started bringing loads of esoteric low-caliber liner fleets in the hope of making it up with plasma, but they're no good at coordinating plasma and 100mm on different ships, especially in CQC
they don't have the output or the positioning to properly rip stuff up in CQC like the triple threats can, they become useless when one ship dies and they don't have range
also lots of MN blobs with no real teeth due to plasma shortages
tulip vault
yeah
I dunno 450 just doesn't feel like it kills actual capitals
nor does it reload quick enough to dispatch beam DDs
oak shell
I dunno 450 just doesn't feel like it kills actual capitals
This has been my experience with my 450 bulkers
wary flame
mine have done fairly well, but they're not good against the big balls of them
can't take the hits back and don't have the alpha damage to hit and run particularly well
full apex
I finally got Gun Frigates to work
lime jungleBOT
I finally got Gun Frigates to work
Fleet 'I Bless the Raines' is composed of 7 ships that cost 3000 points:
Gunnar : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun]
Iffy Era : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun]
AMMs are for Chumps : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun]
Meeni Don't Look : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun]
Jonah J. Jammerson : 'Raines' class Frigate [PD EWar]
Strawberry Jammer : 'Raines' class Frigate [PD EWar]
Belly Button ELINT : 'Raines' class Frigate [Sensor PD EWar]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceres : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
full apex
you run them as two separate Squadrons, ideal for anti cap or taking out Early Warning Tugs
This is the test fleet if anyone wants to try two squadrons, i plan on running 1 squadron with other types of ships though
wary flame
on the two jamships you can move the frontline to a 2x2x2 slot, take a 10pt microreactor in the 3x3x3 and then drop the PCC
free 15pts and more durable power
full apex
yeah im refining them for personal use at the moment and already did that lol
I cooked these up last night at 11pm
but thank you for the advice!
dire harness
<@175103370120527872> could you give my friend the neb role?
could I get that too :D
olive blade
done!
supple sonnetBOT
is it worth taking 450 ap on a bulk freighter?
450 he has 65 cm pen and a solomon only has 58 cm of armor
wet root
Yes, you need it to do anything to bowtanking Axfords and Sollies
supple sonnetBOT
makes sense
wet root
(Also armor angling means their effective armor is a fair bit more)
supple sonnetBOT
sorry we're just doing something inadvisable and trying to make a 3x 450 bulker fleet
Also 450 AP can clear all the damage threshholds on a capital ship
ooooh
Yeah 3 is not enough hulls In our opinion
the number between 16 and 18, handheld catgirl fool (she/her) [sylvania] ↩️
quiet quiver
For brawling while your friends cap 3 bulkers is fine
Kyanite starter fleet is 2 bulkers with 450s and backpack s2s and it performs fine IME
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Fleet 'Bulker Broadside ACT' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:
Few : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Gun PD Sensor]
The Skim Trend : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Gun PD Sensor]
Sure Tidy : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Gun PD Sensor]
quiet quiver
... I wonder if I should report to whoever runs Hazel how it interacts with Pluralkit
(I deleted the duplicate Hazel message)
supple sonnetBOT
The Big drives have a lot more helth so a chi-7770 in the 12x12x12 will give you more beef
yes, but 777s give it lot more maneuverability
We think it's just form how both the OG and Proxied mesage have the .fleet file and the oG mesage is up long enough for both bots to notice
Techhead ↩️
plus 7770s tend to melt
quiet quiver
Yeah I'm aware why, just if it should be reported
supple sonnetBOT
you probably could?
don't see why you couldn't
Also Bulkers don't relay need GPCs do to there waight fo fire
quiet quiver
Personally, playing with Kyanite (or a derivative fleet) a bunch, I've really valued the bloodhound more than huntress+pinpoint
supple sonnetBOT
yes, but we're,,,,, tempted to have this just be guns, and to rely on allies for that
Techhead ↩️
and if your going to go wiht putting DC in the bulkers you a DCX is a good investment
ooh
oh we didn't even realized that
quiet quiver
I do like having both setups, but having an organic bloodhound is real nice
supple sonnetBOT
true
gonna try to squiggle it around
oh nvm we're thinking of the long haul we're putting 7700s in there
the number between 16 and 18, handheld catgirl fool (she/her) [sylvania] ↩️
quiet quiver
Two with huntress/pinpoint and one with bridgemaster/bloodhound is what my personal pref/gutfeel leans to
supple sonnetBOT
hmm
radiant sable
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Bulker Broadside ACT' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:
Few : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Gun PD]
The Skim Trend : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Gun PD Sensor]
Sure Tidy : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Gun PD Sensor]
supple sonnetBOT
slightly less punch, slightly more utility, slightly better dc
gonna try it out
tulip vault
I think you probably want more HE than AP
supple sonnetBOT
how much more?
like, what kind of ratio?
we're gonna change it to 300/450
we have 600 HE and 150 AP on our bukers
that's a lot
Bukers chew through a lot of ammo, and most of the time you going to want HE.
wet root
Huh, I run 300/300 on my Ocellos. But admittedly they are specifically designed to duel capitals
And nowadays they have 250mm to deal with the lighter things anyway
radiant sable
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Fleet 'Solomon Beams P-NEOCH' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:
The Hanged Man : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
Three of Pentacles : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
The Hanged Man : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [EWar PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Dagger : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE FRAG [1pts]
SGM-166 No Thank You, Please : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
supple sonnetBOT
mixed up the P-OCH and P-NEO to make P-NEOCH
having gun frigs isn't terribly useful turns out, and the deception module seems fun
radiant sable
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Solomon Beams P-NEOCH-BER-SACTCMD' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:
The Hanged Man : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
Six of Wands : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-166 No Thank You, Please : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
SGT-378 If You Can Read This You're Too Close : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [13pts]
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most of our damage was from when we had to facecheck a torp tugball
we lost our reinforced magazine with our 20mm ammo :(
tulip vault
I think I’d recommend putting at least one rapid DC team in that solomon somewhere
Especially if you’ve got all the buffing modules already
tulip vault
44k is a helluva damage record though
sly glade
so catty
runic torrent
lmao
I did post raw metal in fight club
so i'm way ahead of you
next noat bight on <t:1707595200:F> <t:1707595200:R>
runic torrent
next noat bight on <t:1707595200:F> <t:1707595200:R>
tulip vault
Nebulous players, I've embarked on a quest! If you would be so willing, I'd request your best battleship designs, as modernised as you've got
toxic scaffold
It
lime jungleBOT
It
Fleet 'BBtest' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:
Queen of Hunger : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
Knave of Plenty : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
supple sonnetBOT
It's not the most finished modenazation, but last we had a chance to cheak she still dose her job and has enough soft kill to last
olive blade
#1164000873031151637 message probably this
supple sonnetBOT
we could, but we don't know how we'd fit it in there
TronTheAllmighty (He/They) ↩️
we'd have to give up one of our large dcs, which,,,, we aren't super inclined to?
tulip vault
fair enough
one objective thing unless you're super tight on power you want small whips and big dragonflies, they give you better stats
supple sonnetBOT
and tbh with all the buffs the teams get they're almost as fast as rapids are baseline
tulip vault
that said, if you need the power the drives make sense
supple sonnetBOT
really? huh. we'll have to give that a look, then
TronTheAllmighty (He/They) ↩️
90% certain we wouldn't be able to swap them around, just because the hanged man has a pretty razor thin power budget, but we'll see
olive blade
though I think my stripped cl needs a couple of tweaks
wary flame
a mother tugboat guards her clutch of eggs
fresh storm
I really want to incorporate mines somewhere but it's difficult to have mines that matter but not have the entire fleet dedicated to minelaying
olive blade
I think the few piles of them under rocks go a long way
wet root
I really want to incorporate mines somewhere but it's _difficult_ to have mines ...
I'm a big proponent of just a smattering of mines in an OSP fleet, you only need them to see a single mine for their caps to play cautiously the rest of the game
wary flame
my trap worked exactly as intended but unfortunately the warhead was replaced with one of those squeaky toy hammers
wary flame
My guess would be like all the got eayen by a high DT compartment
it was not, nothing was even yellow before or after
wet root
Even if it hit the very front I would have expected it to kill the thrusters
tulip vault
@wary flame I hope you can see the axford on my team in this game
certainly the axford of all time
pyrope and spedicy don't look
supple sonnetBOT
,,,,, hm.
with the grapeshot meta being in, are battle dressing stations worth it?
wet root
I don't think so, grape usually kills by crits
wary flame
I was just screenshotting that to put here
wet root
pyrope and spedicy don't look
Is it weird that I don't entirely hate this? I don't think it will work out well, but ||butt-tanking does get you the tankiest component in the game eatingn their fire||
wet root
A Vaux that ||can't flank...||
supple sonnetBOT
that's still effected by crew vulnerability tho, right?
Lark (They/Them) ↩️
wary flame
no
crits are on compartments, battle dressing stations only affect DC team vulnerability and while grape is good at killing them it's not good enough to matter there
supple sonnetBOT
hm
glad aurora
BDS will become relevant when your CIC getting repeatedly redded will result in your precious FLTADM catching an AP round to the face
presumably
supple sonnetBOT
Nah how much crew you have dose not matter once ships load into a match
wary flame
the other one has ||two rapids||
tulip vault
beautiful
wet root
Is it weird that I don't entirely hate this? I don't think it will work out well...
You can become ||immune to 450AP||
supple sonnetBOT
oh. apparently we can fit this in
the number between 16 and 18, handheld catgirl fool (she/her) [sylvania] ↩️
gods this is so good, actually
tulip vault
this is one way to have a game which gets me to the pub on time
not the one I'd prefer but
wary flame
the axford has one large
supple sonnetBOT
dire harness
nice job!
wary flame
corvette with one MK61 solos two damaged gun tugs, by blooming one and having the bloom kill the other while just about living
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Ruby Rose {RDM} (Intel BB)' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:
Ruby Rose, Red Mage : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Gun Rail PD EWar Missile Sensor]
```This fleet uses 5 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-102 Starshard : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-123 Ruby Thorn : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [4pts]
SGM-133 'Red Scythe' Anti-Clipper : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-331 THE RUBY REAPER : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(EO) - HEKP [75pts]
SGM-H-333 Crimson Scythe : DIRECT - CMD/ARAD(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [24pts]
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Summer Rose {ANG} (Intel BB)' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:
Summer Rose, Archangel : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Gun Beam EWar PD Missile Sensor]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-H-201 Diamond Thorn : CRUISE - PSV(EO) - HEKP [32pts]
SGM-H-221 Fire Dust Flare : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(WAKE)] - HE SHAPED [15pts]
SGM-H-221 Rosaline Shard : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [16pts]
SGM-H-232 Meteor Shard : DIRECT - CMD/HOJ(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [15pts]
wicked mirage
wicked mirage
pyrope and spedicy don't look
Amazing xD
toxic scaffold
We are not sure how well the modeniazation of this fleet went, and might switch out the blackjack for a seconed AMM box
lime jungleBOT
We are not sure how well the modeniazation of this fleet went, and might switch ...
Fleet 'Dubble-Bubble-Toil-and-Troubble' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:
Atropose : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Rail Gun EWar PD Sensor]
Lachesis : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Plasma Gun]
Clotho : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Plasma Gun]
Duncan Idaho : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Rocket PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-100 Pocket Sand : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-104 Red Rose Petal : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [4pts]
SGM-106 Ember : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
wet root
That's a strangely-shaped BB
supple sonnetBOT
Lol, I already sent the most modenized version of the queen of hunger we have
wary flame
What's with the double berthings?
supple sonnetBOT
A single small (if we mathed right) is not quite enough to cover both both the DCX and Large storage
But we could have also done the math wrong
mint sinew
No I believe you are correct. DCX is quite crew hungry
tulip vault
junior heron
"50% of hyperspace torpedos end in malfunction" is an inaccurate statistic
games-crashes-Tom who dies in hyperspace 70% of the time is an outlier and should not be counted
noble zodiac
"50% of hyperspace torpedos end in malfunction" is an inaccurate statistic
games...
backreading the channel
voice chat is visible
reads this
tom immediately disappears from voice
fuckin
lmao???
noble zodiac
what the fuckulous
junior heron
also nice seeing you around Gamma, haven't seen you in a bit
noble zodiac
i keep having Other Stuff happening around boat nights D:
(such as, ironically, a lancer campaign)
and also just not having spoons to play neb much if at all/having all said spoons taken up with Other Stuff
tulip vault
never heard of it
worthy bane
lancer balls?
wary flame
excellent beam BB name I just saw: ROU Come Over Here And Say That Again
olive blade
excellent beam BB name I just saw: ROU *Come Over Here And Say That Again*
I think that might be a culture one
wary flame
the whole fleet is Culture names, as is the prefix
still, appropriate
it also has four balls
one Masquerade and three Interruptors
glad aurora
the "corvette" with the radar signature and power consumption of a small moon:
wary flame
wish spectator mode let me see what Masquerades were set to
but this chap has previously ran missile-CA-masked-as-Sprinter
so I guess also sprinter
there are two BBs stacked up with each other with five interruptor jammers between them and OSP has no torpcello
what a shame
junior heron
torpcellos make me consider the quadruple balls device frigate
to hide behind the battleship
the real answer is to not let the ocello approach to 3km and torp me
but I am bad
tulip vault
but this chap has previously ran missile-CA-masked-as-Sprinter
oh was this eban?
wary flame
yes
tulip vault
that did actually get me for a minute
a sprinter faffing around in the backline is pretty innocuous
wet root
the real answer is to not let the ocello approach to 3km and torp me
Yeah, it might just be a matter of me not pubbing very often, but Torpcellos have never really seemed like something that needs a dedicated answer
tulip vault
(3 torpcello georg is an outlier and should not be counted)
wet root
Like, a normal amount of scouting and a few beams makes a Torpcello real sad
3 Torpcello vs 3 Beam BB, a battle for the ages
quiet quiver
we're doing it everyone
The quintuple threat liner?
wary flame
3x LN vs 2x Axford facecheck contest ends in a hard-fought Axford victory
we won because everyone else cleaned up, but damn
Khall came around the corner and would have killed me after if we hadn't won on points
tulip vault
The quintuple threat liner?
It honestly kinda did clean up but I don’t think that was especially through any virtues of its own
wet root
Clearly the plan is that the plasma lowers the BB's armor, then you hit them with a salvo of two corktorps to distract their PD while the salvo of twelve S2s hit through the weakened armor. The reduced armor also means the C65s can pen deeper, and at that point you might as well bring the 100mm
This is clearly a novice effort though since they forgot the rockets to go with their S2s behind the corktorp cover
tulip vault
It fucked around on G and killed four corvettes, so honestly better showing than I expected
wicked mirage
<@&942093958551588904> Anyone wanna find a lobby and go a round?
wicked mirage
lol
supple sonnetBOT
we're up for some!
glad aurora
Yeah, I'll throw up a pub
noble zodiac
i never know when yall are on until after youve started D:
wicked mirage
I'm in Activity numero dos ^^
wary flame
quiet quiver
450s doing work?
wary flame
450/120 dealing massive damage as usual
if you can get those in a fight with anything besides plas/100 they eat people
tulip vault
Honestly they do sorta okay against plas/100 as well
Just not against a critical mass of it
dire harness
kill them before they kill y is
wary flame
they can take about one fleet of plas/100, you just can't ignore it like you can 450 at most ranges
tulip vault
Yeah, that’s true
dire harness
450/120 dealing massive damage as usual
how’s the PD?
are you running chaffbox and defenders in the other mounts?
wary flame
two defenders, one chaffbox each, then disco and killjoys in one back C4 mount respectively
used to have some S2 shuttle-killers as well but they were too expensive, the Axfords were underbuilt
I'd love to squeeze an extra large locker in but I really don't have anything to toss out
tulip vault
so, much, purple
noble zodiac
ourple
shadow matrix
We still boating in here?
shadow matrix
messing around with rails again
rigid bison
rigid bison
can you post the aformentioned missile fleet, by any chance?
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Sterling Hybrid (S3H+Intel)' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:
Platinum Rose : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Missile Beam PD Sensor]
Steel Petals : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile]
Silver Thorns : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-H-323 Iron Thorn : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [20pts]
SGM-H-325 Truesilver Thorn : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(EO)] - HE SHAPED [23pts]
SGM-H-395 Fire Dust Bolt : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(EO)] - HEKP [54pts]
wicked mirage
@wary flame @crude wagon
lime jungleBOT
<@267391246509670400> <@469500886993993739>
Fleet 'Ruby Rose {RDM} (Intel BB)' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:
Ruby Rose, Red Mage : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Gun Rail PD EWar Missile Sensor]
```This fleet uses 5 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-102 Starshard : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-123 Ruby Thorn : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [4pts]
SGM-133 'Red Scythe' Anti-Clipper : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
SGM-H-331 THE RUBY REAPER : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(EO) - HEKP [75pts]
SGM-H-333 Crimson Scythe : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[PSV(EO)] - HE SHAPED [26pts]
wet root
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Five Horrid Boxen' is composed of 10 ships that cost 3000 points:
Sisyphus : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD]
Fantasma : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD]
Showdown : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD]
Brittle Fracture : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD]
Zoom Zoom : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD]
Cadogan's Scythe : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile Gun PD]
Kongo : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Sensor]
Zeal of Dawn : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Sensor]
Greg : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Sensor]
Bop : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Sensor]
wet root
If your cappers are immune to Vauxes and missiles, then what can they do to stop you?
(Beams. The answer is Beams.)
lime jungleBOT
behold: `pain`
Fleet 'NG Star' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:
The Weepy Petty : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
Rails and Deli : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Missile EWar Sensor]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-H-334 Saber Mle. 1893 : DIRECT - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [20pts]
glad aurora
(the missiles are 20km, so the masquerade is set to make it look like a rail Axford)
wet root
I suppose they are
I feel like I would assume that's a missile Axford then be confused in the after action report
glad aurora
brilliant, it's working perfectly
also: vauxhall with five rapid DCs, what crimes will it commit
overall, I just wanted to make a fleet concept that could fight a plasma/100 bulker, since the OSP pubs love them, and I think this works?
supple sonnetBOT
For anti plas/100 work we find that beems seem to do the best unless the plasma has rail suport.
tulip vault
having been on both sides of the matchup quite a bit it's a real tossup
glad aurora
I am not good at playing beam DDs (no practice, bad micro) and the other OSP meta darlings kill the beam BB, so.
glad aurora
Surely mass torpedoes kill them?
wary flame
earlier today I took down two 100mm bulkers with serious plasma support using the Creatures, which is what Kalmia dubbed the 120/450 axfords
and then Tron got me the second time
I think it really depends on how the engage goes
tulip vault
Surely mass torpedoes kill them?
eh
like.
it's a good bet, but I think if you play it well it's not a given
wary flame
if you get a good flank on the bulkers they're jam, if they get to slice off one axford and zap it you're done for
glad aurora
it's a good bet, but I think if you play it well it's not a given
Fair enough.
wary flame
it's why I really like BB & double Axford as a kind of capital ship task group
decisively overpowers three or four bulkers with the kind of focus fire they are putting onto you
can do four axfords too but it's more expensive
tulip vault
honestly I think the 100mm matchup depends on them going toe to toe with one (1) battlegroup at a time
or at least being exactly evenly matched
glad aurora
I think I like 250/120 Axford because it has a little bit more flexibility than the beam BB, but that's a personal preference after playing both
tulip vault
but in large engagments it can get very sad
glad aurora
2-3km wiggle room for actually being able to fire at things on a faster platform is nice, albeit you lose out on the ability to just delete Ocellos
tulip vault
and then Tron got me the second time
I'm still surprised it went so heavily in my direction
glad aurora
I've been tempted to find a way to include HEKP on the Vauxhall to provide some way of killing Ocellos, but the points just don't shake out, period
tulip vault
I think I need to be more confident with my ships, it really felt like I was cowering from those things
wary flame
I was totally blindsided by the second bulker, I was not positioned to fight it
if I'd known it was there I'd have sliced the pie on the side of the cap point archway
tulip vault
mm, yeah
wary flame
and taken on only one for a bit
tulip vault
oh gone from the side (as much as there is one) rather than from the top?
wary flame
you had one on each side of the cavern, so if I approach from one edge and manage the angle carefully I can fight only one
not for long because bulkers can boost around that corner in seconds, but it would probably have been enough
mint sinew
How cleanly the opening plasma salvo lands also strongly influences the plasma/100mm vs Axford engagement. A light smattering or a number of misses and the Axford is laughing.
tulip vault
we are indeed on the same page
I do think that may have done it
again scouting would've carried the day
wary flame
I asked what was in there and I got "one bulker, one tug" and made a very bad decision based on that
maybe I should have stayed and fought the first time
tulip vault
I think so
then again chasing me further into the cavern would've opened you to the rest of the fleet
hard to say
wary flame
if you want to fight plas/100 bulkers specifically, I think you want a stack of 7x450 axfords and a correlated spyglass
glad aurora
I asked what was in there and I got "one bulker, one tug" and made a very bad de...
Yeah, this was on me - I only ever saw one bulker and then pulled back out immediately, and still effectively lost a CL to it
wary flame
and you just shore bombard them
glad aurora
Why 450HE instead of 250HE?
tulip vault
oh was that a CL I shot the first time?
wary flame
their effective range is about 6k, you can actually dodge plasma pretty well at the extreme
glad aurora
oh was that a CL I shot the first time?
Yep, the bargain gun CL
wary flame
450 has the 11250m range, which pairs well with 4x TC spyglass and its max range of 11.5k
glad aurora
You must've been so confused, because it never died for the entirety of the game
wary flame
8km on the 250 is cutting it too close, that's within plas/grape range
tulip vault
You must've been so confused, because it never died for the entirety of the game
I lost track of it and figured it was someone else's problem lol
wary flame
the sheer power of "big ball of 450 fleets" is why I occasionally reconsider the Creature layout
tulip vault
I do think the 2x shore bombardment axfords is a neat idea
wary flame
the Creatures still do big numbers and the 7.2k bubble of No Shuttles/Tugs Allowed is worth
tulip vault
a little dependent on winning the cap war or having some very wide angles you can swing to get shots off from
wary flame
but if you're building tight teams rather than 3k fleets I'd go max artillery
tulip vault
but I like the idea
wary flame
it's not my idea, a bunch of hellstack teams were doing "Jutland gaming" for a while
it's basically impossible to close with them if there's 1-3 beam DDs tucked in tight angles
tulip vault
yeah
wary flame
I think it's the go-to ANS strat
wary flame
tulip vault
I think the thing is that you need to give the OSP some reason to not just constantly turtle, so yknow, cap war
but I guess you can just go super wide and kill them
wary flame
I think ANS is way more brutal to push into these days
if torp tugs spread everywhere maybe that'll change, but beams are just so mean
tulip vault
beams are really mean
glad aurora
clearly the solution is cluster decoy s2 monitors
tulip vault
Beam DDs are still really weird sometimes though
like a solid 60% of the time facechecking a single beam DD with an obelisk goes perfectly fine, you lose two turrets, restore them, and move on past a dead DD
the other 40% something goes heinously wrong in the first 5 seconds of firing and suddenly you've thrown away a thousand points
I'm genuinely tempted to put cruise s1s on my bulkers to check around tight corners
glad aurora
Wasn't that tech talked about in this channel a couple weeks back?
tulip vault
I mean I have done it before lol
my biggest brain play ever was firing an amm onto a point to find the sprinter on it so I could paint it with a bloodhound and kill it
but I'm earnestly wondering if a dedicated missile is worth it
quiet quiver
Oh I just swing bloodhounds around capture points and chokepoints sometimes
wary flame
the 450 ball at 11km, times change and we come back to Closest Old Railgun Approximation
still quite like the music/caption dissonance here
tulip vault
is that, a rail BB with stonewalls?
surely that is either testing footage or a pretty huge waste of points
wary flame
MK82 rails, to be precise
pretty sure that's just footage someone recorded to make that
tulip vault
fair enough lmao
because old rails weren't cotemperaneous with stonewalls, right? I'm not making that up?
oak shell
Those look like new railguns to me
quiet quiver
I bet there’s even a mod out there with the class 5 if you wanted to record a vid
wary flame
the mod is in use for the video, yes
I think it might have been taken down on the grounds of "oi, no modding purely to get around balance decisions" but I could be wrong
quiet quiver
Also amazed/amused people ask for a 120mm class 5 with a half dozen or whatever barrels
oak shell
oh that does have double barrels
wet root
Clearly what we need is a rotary 120mm C5
glad aurora
Clearly what we need is a rotary 120mm C5
I actually said in VC that we need rotary C5 250 and 120
quiet quiver
I think it might have been taken down on the grounds of "oi, no modding purely t...
Gear that no longer exists feels a little different than stat/behavior changes TBF
rigid bison
a C5 railgun that goes about it's dubiously-balanced work through a different method/with a different model and name would probably still work
rigid bison
Clearly what we need is a rotary 120mm C5
real, and 6-barrel 250mm C5
glad aurora
if you think about it, battleships should be able to be armed entirely with 120mm guns of appropriate classes and scales
quiet quiver
“Factions unlocked” technically breaks the rule too by giving EO to OSP and MLS to ANS again
wet root
Only if OSP gets single-shot recoilless 450mms they can strap to shuttles
rigid bison
or missile pylons because lack of sustained salvos doesn't matter on an ACAP
glad aurora
Only if OSP gets single-shot recoilless 450mms they can strap to shuttles
single-shot recoilless 450mm with crew in EVA gear as loaders
you need two forms of ammunition: 450mm, and crew as soon as you start getting RPF'd
quiet quiver
I would simply ask for an AP version of the piranha
wary flame
I would actually quite like a C5 250mm but the C4 version is deliberately meh so as not to stomp on the gun Vauxhall
so it's a tiny bit unlikely
fresh storm
wonder if more mine types might be on the horizon
like jammer buoys deployed like mines or one-shot, say, plasma cannon mines
anti-hybrid PD mines???
I think any mine + word combination you could come up with would be in character for osp
supple sonnetBOT
600mm casemate launched mines 
quiet quiver
Just came up with a terrifying idea for a mine buff
Lower radar sig if stuck to a rock
junior heron
I will still burnthrough, lock, beam
rigid bison
S3 delivery stages for mines (think downscales mine-containers), hideously expensive for OSP S3 but an alternative to mine boxes for long-range minelaying
quiet quiver
If it's the same ammo size as normal S3s it'd be wildly more space-efficient than normal mines AND the launcher is usable in direct combat
(Seriously mines take huge fucking amount of magazine space)
Or... wait they are the same size? Huh
crude wagon
<@267391246509670400> <@469500886993993739>
Huh? Was I pinged by accident?
junior heron
looks like
wicked mirage
Huh? Was I pinged by accident?
Omg I'm so sorry, I was trying to ping Lark x.x
crude wagon
It ok, I was just really confused cause I don't talk here at all
:p
And suddenly ping
grand pine
now you must acquire Nebulous and join boat night
worthy bane
I should reinstall Neb at some point
Once Terra Invicta releases its deep gravitational hold on me
I yearn for the vauxhalls
wary flame
the surface field sprint mine traps I've been exporting to everyone are so good
officially claiming this as my tech
just saw a BB get oneshot by five sprint mines impacting in a perfect cluster as it came around a blind corner
if I have earned a fancy name I'll call it a hand trap, because five fingers reach out together and Get You
tulip vault
hand trap's nice
neat galleon
ah yes. the 58 point missile
neat galleon
Once Terra Invicta releases its deep gravitational hold on me
i love terra invicta so much but i'm sooo bad at it 😭
noble zodiac
if I have earned a fancy name I'll call it a hand trap, because five fingers rea...
me when i fuckign GET you
tulip vault
damn at this rate I'll make commodore by [whatever holiday is relevant]
I've been having one hell of a winning streak recently
I think the sidearm axfords are really good
I'm very glad to have been at the cutting edge of bringing them back
being able to actually fight bulkers up close is really sweet
someone also finally shot SARH at me!
tragically I didn't need to even killjoy them because they weren't hoj backups
btw @wicked mirage have you been bringing the torp liner round recently? I'm trying to iterate on mine and am curious to see what a modern one looks like
wary flame
I dropped my killjoys for a masquerade and more DC
which might eventually kill me but I haven't seen SAH/HOJ in ages
tulip vault
yeah same
glad aurora
Hey now, we just saw them yesterday
supple sonnetBOT
those were SAH/ARAD, wich you can deal with, with just a Active decoy
wary flame
the mines are working
I really think the 10 sprint surface field is the way to go
which presumably is a Two Hand Trap
wicked mirage
btw <@158082040107892737> have you been bringing the torp liner round recently? ...
I haven't lately, been focused on other fleets :c
tulip vault
alas
wary flame
normal CL at 100% condition after four sprint mine hits (not planted by me)
quiet quiver
What is COND a measure of, specifically?
junior heron
that's the fun part, I'm pretty sure your analysts just tell you a number
(If I had to guess, it's the average % of all their parts, +/- your ship's intel inaccuracy)
quiet quiver
I know it's based on damage and is +- inaccuracy, I wanna know what the measured damage metric is
wet root
It might be the inverse of the damage number on your DC board - i.e. the percentage of parts that are completely undamaged
Could test if it's that by going to the testing range and flanking about
quiet quiver
JDee's intel vid suggests it's percent of components still functional, but IDK if that counts panels/thrusters or has weighting or w/e, or if redded out counts as functional
And that's out of date because in Feb 2023 it also gives you (approx.) number of active debuffs after
tulip vault
Condition also does just lie, a lot
It either doesn’t update often or has a large margin of error, or something like that
noble zodiac
^
quiet quiver
Ye I know it updates slow and lies, but I wanna know what it's lying about
wet root
Number of times I've been absolutely murdered by a ship with condition 0%: more than I care to admit
olive blade
I really think the 10 sprint surface field is the way to go
What do you use as a layer? Monitor?
wary flame
gun tug with bulk mag
good to have around anyway
fits exactly ten mines
could maybe replace two of them with one MN, actually, I'll fiddle around
wary flame
Patented Misc mine technology
fucked up my tenses in the flak explanation but meh, I'll make a proper steam guide later
tulip vault
Extremely authentic military slideshow, bravo misc
quiet quiver
Nah the military would format it in powerpoint
wet root
<@&942093958551588904> anyone for some evening Pubulous?
junior heron
I could be interested after this dota game
would love to come spectate in the meanwhile
misty storm
uhhh
junior heron
(unfortuantely, it just started so it might be a bit)
misty storm
kinda wanna play some dota tbh
wet root
Alternatively: You could stream your Dota, and I can return your curse unto you
junior heron
it's only fair
dire harness
fucked up my tenses in the flak explanation but meh, I'll make a proper steam gu...
does tuna’s not cover that?
glad aurora
🤔
wary flame
me and Pyrope are trying the new map if you guys want in
rigid bison
i'd be down for a pubulous
shadow matrix
I haven't nebbed in a while, I'd be down
wicked mirage
<@&942093958551588904> anyone for some evening Pubulous?
Yeah! Game!
glad aurora
Eh, fuck it, why not. My headache isn't real.
supple sonnetBOT
sure
dire harness
headache neb is the best neb <3
wary flame
does tuna’s not cover that?
it mentions it extremely briefly in the middle of a giant wall of text, so I have stolen his thunder with MS Paint
rigid bison
0 caps, 5 points, we ball
dire harness
so many questions
wary flame
very strange thing
mint sinew
||Local shuttle simply filled with jam||
supple sonnetBOT
the hanged man got 36k damage
good enough for us 😌
we do want to know if masquerade gaming is worth it tho -,-
toxic scaffold
@rigid bison
lime jungleBOT
<@100383274370617344>
Fleet 'Dubble-Bubble-Toil-and-Troubble' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:
Atropose : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Rail Gun EWar PD Sensor]
Lachesis : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Plasma Gun]
Clotho : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Plasma Gun]
Duncan Idaho : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Rocket PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-100 Pocket Sand : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-104 Red Rose Petal : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [4pts]
SGM-106 Ember : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
junior heron
waiting for clients D:
olive blade
I'll be around for a game in 30 ish
glad aurora
my son has every disease
dire harness
very red
olive blade
Communicating...
wet root
Are you really sure they're in a party, Steam?
quiet quiver
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Surrender DDG' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:
Revel of Fidela : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Missile Rail PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-222 Hurricane : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [9pts]
SGM-299 Activist Decoy : DIRECT - NONE - NONE [7pts]
SGM-H-256 Square Deal : CRUISE - PSV(EO) - HEKP [32pts]
tulip vault
Ruby Shelf: some of the rocks don't match up with the hitboxes that exist; I ran into many an invisible rock
wary flame
Make the hole(s) in the centre crystal rock between A and B points slightly larger, and mark their edges with some distinctive texture or object so people can actually see them, since they're extremely easy to miss completely.
wet root
Ruby Shelf: Make the holes large enough to realistically navigate through, possibly move so that you get firing lines between the two center points
wary flame
shot that really drives home how massive bulkers are
the LN is slightly closer to the camera but not by a massive amount
lime jungleBOT
Fleet 'Sidearm Axfords' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:
Kim Kitsuragi : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun Missile PD EWar]
Raphael Ambrosius Costeau : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-210 The Kimball : DIRECT - NONE - NONE [7pts]
olive blade
wondering about SAH / WAKE vs WAKE / SAH
glad aurora
@wicked mirage Make the RWBY Neo Politan torp liner
mint sinew
wondering about SAH / WAKE vs WAKE / SAH
I guess it depends how many flares you see in the wild
olive blade
I think wake secondary is better because I can cut my illums anytime I want
on thinking
olive blade
I think I also might try and fit a package of 8 or so nice weave cmds
for any sprinters that come for me
mint sinew
I've been meaning to start bringing a salvo or two of mixup Wake primary missiles due to the lack of flares. Just need to spend the time to test and tune them
supple sonnetBOT
We do in any fleet that brings soft kill, but like we got in to that habit from dealing wiht stair-likes
Ash And Gold ↩️
wary flame
I have discarded my flares because they mostly served to pull wake backups in a nice circle into my engines
dire harness
even with new wake flares don’t work :(
quiet quiver
I'll consider bringing flares if I ever spot a missile curving into my drive section
wicked mirage
<@158082040107892737> Make the RWBY Neo Politan torp liner
Oh my xD alrighty challenge accepted!
glad aurora
Good, good...
glad aurora
Bonus points for the RWBY Overactive Imagination as an e-war attachment
glad aurora
(I also know I said torp liner, but buying a ConL hull without containers is insane - torp bulker)
glad aurora
Yeah, exactly.
noble zodiac
... although, if anyone could make it work...
noble zodiac
(... if anyone could, it'd be pyrope)
dire harness
but worse in every way
noble zodiac
(was my point)
dire harness
my child <3
lime jungleBOT
my child <3
Fleet '3k cap cln guns' is composed of 10 ships that cost 3000 points:
CM-4D2 : 'Container Liner' class Line Ship [Missile PD]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD Gun]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD Gun]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD Gun]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD Gun]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD]
CM-4D1 : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD]
```This fleet uses 5 different missile types:
```yaml
CM-400 Mine Container : CRUISE - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [6pts]
CM-400 Mine Container : CRUISE - SAH(RADAR) - NONE [1pts]
CM-400 Mine Container : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/SAH(RADAR)/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [6pts]
CM-400 Mine Container : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [12pts]
SGM-100 a weapon : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
dire harness
(was my point)
<3
junior heron
increasingly tempted to try bringing the Destroyer Device to a pub game
quiet quiver
(I also know I said torp *liner,* but buying a ConL hull without containers is i...
Both container liners and bulk frieghters are officially lineships (LN) and colloquially liners, so you're still technically accurate, if imprecise
glad aurora
True! Just felt appropriate to clarify before Pyrope went off making the most insane ship to exist.
quiet quiver
... I just realized in that last game my Axfords took heavy fire from all 4 enemy fleets, and both still survived (and armed!)
junior heron
... I just realized in that last game my Axfords took heavy fire from all 4 enem...
yeah, you piloted them very well!
arctic magnet
actually, what killed Tron's liner in that last match? I remember that it reactor bloom'd and I put six torpedoes into it from the corvettes, but the post match report listed like 2.2k damage dealt from them?
wet root
I think it got Axforded? I don't think the Autumn or the Beamstones were in the vicinity
quiet quiver
I did not finish off any liner, last I saw it it was headed past my mostly-dead Axford and ignoring it
(And I wasn't shooting b/c I had a reactor to scram)
tulip vault
actually, what killed Tron's liner in that last match? I remember that it reacto...
It got hit by like 10 or 12 torps from different ships, was mostly okay, then a corvette popped on it and killed every dc team doing something useful
arctic magnet
hm, makes sense, the torpedoes are there for shuttles and don't have the largest warheads
didn't really manage to kill Tom's container liner a few boat nights back, either
tulip vault
basically everything was red but it was still working
and then all my dc got fucked over and it died to a fuel line fire
wary flame
The OSP ability to threaten ANS capital squads really is held together with plasma/100, spit and duct tape, I've been watching lots of pubulous where the OSP newbies don't know that they need something like two fleets of dedicated dakka LN at minimum and they just get rolled
glad aurora
the solution: mass dri- yes
tulip vault
I don’t think it’s like. Better than bringing a third plasma fleet, honestly
But imo OSP has one flex slot after the cappers and two frontline things, and MDs are certainly effective there
I never thought Id have to say it again but I do think OSP 450 needs a bit of juice
Im not really sure what, but it feels quite sad right now
glad aurora
It's just less immediately visible than plasma/100, I think
glad aurora
I wonder, can you get away with one plasma/100 and one MD liner
wary flame
Also Tron, I must ask, do you have JRRs in your obelisks?
I saw one while spectating and was wondering if that was load -bearing
tulip vault
Yeah I do
It’s not really load bearing
The ship works… okay without it, it loses some buffing modules unless you just turn off the radar
In which case it works fine
I dont have the second pair of plasma turrets so the ship doesn’t implode without it
supple sonnetBOT
are s2/s3 amms viable?
i know we've used s2 killjoys before, but with the recent arad change we're wondering if we could just out and out swap them for hardkill amms
tulip vault
I know @wicked mirage has some s3 amms
But I think they’re also meant to deal with s2s so it’s probably not that useful
For your purposes, I mean
supple sonnetBOT
no, we're just thinking about the hanged man rn
we've gotten stomped by containers a few times and we're trying to figure out how we can avoid it in the future
quiet quiver
Do people have advice for plasma/100 if you’re not interested in using extremely specific bulker layouts? It’s definitely annoying how many you have to generate
tulip vault
I think the 3 casemates are fine
quiet quiver
I feel like often it only gens 2 up-facing
wary flame
Container defence is just about using all the softkill and having lots of defenders
used to need flak for decoys but now 20mm kills targets on diverging linear courses perfectly so it burns through them insanely quickly
junior heron
I feel like often it only gens 2 up-facing
if you don't want to bother rolling, you can manually edit the .fleet file, I'm pretty sure this HullConfig should generate the 4 flat top-facing mounts
<PrimaryStructure>
<SegmentConfiguration>
<Key>c534a876-3f8a-4315-a194-5dda0f84c2b3</Key>
<Dressing>
<int>0</int>
<int>1</int>
</Dressing>
</SegmentConfiguration>
<SegmentConfiguration>
<Key>429f178e-e369-4f51-8054-2e01dd0abea1</Key>
<Dressing>
<int>1</int>
<int>0</int>
<int>0</int>
<int>0</int>
<int>2</int>
</Dressing>
</SegmentConfiguration>
<SegmentConfiguration>
<Key>2f2b451c-4776-405c-9914-cad4764f1072</Key>
<Dressing />
</SegmentConfiguration>
</PrimaryStructure>
<SecondaryStructure>
<SecondaryStructureConfig>
<Key>c9d04445-3558-46b4-b6fc-7dca8617d438</Key>
<Segment>1</Segment>
<SnapPoint>0</SnapPoint>
</SecondaryStructureConfig>
</SecondaryStructure>
<HullTint>
<r>0.5660777</r>
<g>0.5660777</g>
<b>0.5660777</b>
<a>1</a>
</HullTint>
<TextureVariation>
<x>-149.324066</x>
<y>-103.738159</y>
<z>657.751831</z>
</TextureVariation>
</HullConfig>```venteral and like dorsal t-20's and plasma casemates work, and like plasma/100 MN do work tho they are like slower by far then an bulker
Techhead ↩️
tulip vault
the plasma monitors are pretty good yeah
tulip vault
I mean you can
quiet quiver
One plasma turret front, 250 casemate side, T30s top and bottom