Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

[frank light]

Mhm mhm

Honestly maybe the tutor would benefit from Star Quality.

Become somebody is probably still good but Star Quality 1…I’ll double check what it’s got but it might work well

[restive ridge]

Thinking about describing an Angel's actions as "with a somewhat contemptuous pity"

[frank light]

Yesssssss

[vivid wraith]

https://bsky.app/profile/toskarin.bsky.social/post/3lk3c535ehs2n

rin (@toskarin.bsky.social)

[after doing something] I'm allowed to do that

Bluesky · Mar 11, 2025, 5:04 AM

[restive ridge]

Impossible

[sturdy ledge]

rin, who is dying of permission

[obsidian dagger]

Oh, I assumed there was something Red happening there. (Honestly, it could be anything Red. It has Creature of Fable vibes but map better to Divine Warrent.)

[restive ridge]

It really depends on what tone you read it in your mind

[obsidian dagger]

I suppose. A lot of Weird Posts feel like Creature of Fable also.

like, "rinley saying something from Wolf Pupy/dril" is a small but real genre.

[restive ridge]

I AM allowed to do that- CoL
huh, I'm allowed to do that- CoF
I'm allowed to do that, btw- CoD

[obsidian dagger]

Creature of Delirium isn't always allowed to do stuff; it just does it anyways.

[restive ridge]

The "btw" is meant to be said to the audience as a 4th-wall breaking act

[obsidian dagger]

ah, like Bugs Bunny.

(Who is more of a Creature of Fable but nevertheless.)

I worry that I've gotten so invested in my understanding of Ill-Made that I've come up with an OC who doesn't work for the quest or for the default Haunted Child.

[magic mason]

Chuubo’s slander

Gatekeepers when Thraxis Gorebucher double crosses them(he seemed like such a nice man)
Gatecrashers driving to school(they are desperately weaving through traffic in a fight to make it before they are tardy one more time and get expelled)
Wounded Angels explaining how when you shot them in the head it gave them a cosmic revelation about how heads and memories and bullets are interconnected so now they shoot themselves in the head for cosmic knowledge
Children of the ash explaining how turning into a giant monster will totally help this time I promise
Spiritualists when they detect that sporks are in danger(image of a superhero team)
Wanderers when I ask them what the hell they are doing inside of my house

[restive ridge]

Holy shit

LMAO

[magic mason]

These are really easy to generate

Allegories claiming they caused the fall of the roman empire(they are very smug because you can’t disprove it)
Become Somebody mfs when you point out that’s not how physics work
Stars claiming to be the rightful king of England when they learn the United Kingdom has been a democracy for a long time.
Cautionary Tales sitting by a river and crying about how they are a sexy vampire who eats people
How The Troubled are evading some motherfucker named “the tooth man”
The Accursed explaining they didn’t come to my wedding because of “the rot”(they totally just forgot)

Creatures of light saying “but it was all a dream” anytime I ask about the money they owe me and I wake up in a cold sweat
Creatures of fable when they “do a little mining off camera”
“creatures of delirium are shapeshifters they could be anyone” the average creature of delirium: (person with a zany outfit and colored hair)
Gardeners when I tell them I am depressed(kid presenting a huge bug)
Sentimental Spirits when you flirt with one of their “Florems”
Impresario’s explaining how they actually need to torture and eat people or millions will die

Symbols when I vent to them about a breakup(they are consuming the emotions to create a new heartbreak themed limb)
Prophets when I bring up that I am having a good day (I have committed a grand sin against principle of cynicism and will be cursed for my crimes)
Deep Ones explaining why existing on a higher plane of reality and understanding cosmic truths gives them the right to trap me in a painting for fun
Chosen Ones explaining how you should have been less evil if you didn’t want to die from their healing spell
Aces who are better than you at literally everything falling into despair because they have trouble doing literally one thing
Guy with undiagnosed reality syndrome explaining to me how aced the test by visualizing it as a rhyme game

[restive ridge]

Called Away mfers retreating into their Realm at the earliest opportunity(they were asked to pay child support)

[magic mason]

Yeah

[restive ridge]

Oh also ironic humor is the whole business this so

Chuubo Fans explaining to you why you are an idiot for thinking that your wife cheating on you while you are eating a banana and your best friend is summoning the Minotaur is a Blue Arc( it's clearly a Golden one)

[magic mason]

Creature of light but they owe a bunch of people money but any time you ask them about it they just like… turn out to be a lamp or retroactively reveal everything to be a dream sequence or something is on my list of guys to make now

[restive ridge]

Funniest possible motivation for Unicorn

[vivid wraith]

lol

[narrow tartan]

Powerscalong nobilis vs other games

[vivid wraith]

World-Breaker's Hand sweeps (ignore how Glitch is a game about how the World-Breaker's Hand does not sweep)

actually Lord Entropy is interesting here because traditionally he has the WBH but he also has massive wealth, resources, connections, etc.

[candid compass]

it does against a lot of things tbf

if you don't have some way to resist the Bleak

the really thorny stuff is honestly getting into what counts as a miracle if it's from another setting

[vivid wraith]

true!

[fleet harbor]

By Nobilis’s own phrasing, powerscaling doesn’t quite work because miracles can only be opposed by miracles

But also have certain queer limitations that mean miraculous beings are more vulnerable to talking than anything else

[patent tiger]

Miracles are queer...

[restive ridge]

Yeah but Nobilis is about how it fucking sweeps so watch me solo Marvel before I trip on my shoelaces I was too bad at tying up

[fleet harbor]

I would say Glitch is a game about how it sweeping does not help

[narrow tartan]

I sometimes imagine a gag where a Strategist thinks they have secure finances and it turns out they have a sack of Confederate dollars

[magic mason]

wounded angel but the wounds you bind are insults people call you

[narrow tartan]

taylor hebert

[restive ridge]

Queen of Escalation

Nah Taylor is a Delirium girlie

[narrow tartan]

Jenna Moran actually assigned arcs to Work characters.

[restive ridge]

Work

[narrow tartan]

Worm

Oh. This is funny to look at

https://www.tumblr.com/jennamoran/147725500053/mysteries-and-arcs-update

[frank light]

Lmao

[magic mason]

imagine... the Style Serpents

[narrow tartan]

I can see it

Goofy boys doing there own thing

[magic mason]

Strategist lore is very Wanderer Adjacent

[narrow tartan]

Dio arc assignment

[obsidian dagger]

Vampires generally like Indomitable. Hax powers usually like Reality Syndrome.

[narrow tartan]

Possibly warmakn stars

Stats

Tricky thing is the world

[obsidian dagger]

Time stopping is usually Reality Syndrome.

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

Hmm. Mechanical effect vs fluff

[vivid wraith]

jennablog knowers

were there any posts for Glitch explaining the intentions behind the Nobilis 4e mechanics compared to the 3e ones

[narrow tartan]

Problem with The World in Jennagames. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ5kZa0TPTM

[restive ridge]

Keeper of Gardens(all his minions and his mansion)
Hmmmm.....
Gatekeeper(cause he's bisexual)

[obsidian dagger]

How does Gatekeeper associate with bisexuality? Because Osiris?

[restive ridge]

Yes

Wiat no

What

[obsidian dagger]

am I mixing up my myths? I remember a certain NSFW myth related to lettuce and (I think) Osiris.

I legitimately cannot otherwise figure out why Gatekeeper would be associated with bisexuality, even on a vibes level. Maybe I just don't get it.

[restive ridge]

You aint mixing up the myth just

Anyways I put Gatekeeper as mostly random but there's the element of being the glueing element between two worlds

[obsidian dagger]

...okay fair.

[magic mason]

That was a Horus and Set

I think

[restive ridge]

HOLY

lmao

Fucking cackling

[frank light]

Yeah

She got tentacles

[restive ridge]

Puberty is rough

[frank light]

Yeah

“Nobody told me about angel puberty” girl that’s not angel puberty

[narrow tartan]

Warmain puberty?

Does the Headmaster have to gove you The Talk?

"People around you might make you feel funny. You may start to get certain urges. Such as the desire to consume thoss people and incorporate them into your soul."

[frank light]

I don’t think hes going to succeed

“Don’t worry, this is the normal process of death and the destruction of the world”
“Dad shush”

[narrow tartan]

Teenage warmains often develop a new identity

[frank light]

“You may sometimes feel like you need to crush all the worthless parts of the world to find the single grain of worthiness. You may want to take someone’s face and personality and memories and become them. This is natura-“
“DAD!!!”

[fleet harbor]

Two Deceivers

[frank light]

Omg

Gk the world is false

Look at em

[fleet harbor]

Can’t be real?

[frank light]

Yeah

So small

[restive ridge]

Rip Gkat it was nice knowing you

[narrow tartan]

Now I want you to stay away from that Leo boy.

[frank light]

She’s not going to do that

[vivid wraith]

lol

[restive ridge]

Chuubo- 80% writing 20% aura
Seizhi- 99% aura 1% writing
Lenoardo- 75% aura 24% writing
Natalia- 75% writing 50% aura
Rinley- 50% aura 50% writing
Jasper- 60% writing 50% aura
Entropy 2.0- 20% writing 0% aura
Miramie- 200% writing 0% aura

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Do Strategist powers work for a scheme game?

[restive ridge]

Hmmm

Im tempted to say yes but no

[narrow tartan]

Especially. Strategy I guess

I think it can? Like especially because it tends to srt things back to status quo

[restive ridge]

Yeah Id say thats why they arent suited for a schemegame(as Ru defines them)

They are very uuug "narrative" very focused on creating personal character arcs and not actually being tools used to solve problems in the fiction

[narrow tartan]

nodnod that makes a little more sense. But. Do they work as tools? Like. If you played a war strategist excrucian game

Huh. Focusing more on tool ise slows growth

[fleet harbor]

I think they work as very awkward tools that are often ill-suited to the task

Nobilis and Glitch alike have this attribute where like ... the powers are fantastically useful to the point where any actual problem tends to have an orthogonal relationship to them in terms of difficulty of finding a solution

[candid compass]

Strategy can do almost anything

But it's fairly slow, unless it's for easy problems

Also you can't be proactive with it

[narrow tartan]

It seems like Strategy would be very useful for keeping a scheme on track

[patent tiger]

My model of it is that, Strategy in particular and planning miracles more broadly are how the design takes a premise and design ethos geared towards a schemegame (the miracle ladders and gameplay of Nobilis) and marries that to a gameplay formula and rhythm that is very much something else (Chuubo’s, with its Quests and Spotlights and such)

Rather than have a step of pitching a scheme that you repeat and refine until the GM accepts it or you give up, you have “I am doing a scheme that the GM will accept” as a defined mechanical moment

For people who want the experience of figuring out a correct scheme and only having it validated if it’s up to snuff, that’s covering over the whole experience they want

For people who want the experience of workshopping a scheme without that validation check, it’s a lot of stress off their back

For people who don’t really enjoy the scheme gameplay at all, it’s a way to skip having to do that

Strategy is what makes it not a schemegame one might say it’s the rule that elides

[narrow tartan]

Things sort of eatablished in chuubo game: Attaris knows about genres. And knows that Leonardo is the god of nightmares

[frank light]

lol

[narrow tartan]

Leonardo does not know he is the god of nightmares. And may be slightly confused why Attaris called him a mayor

[narrow tartan]

Goidvals fourth axiom...

[frank light]

omg

[vivid wraith]

http://books.hitherby.com/?p=5126

fun little comic where Rat does not become a god

[frank light]

...yeah

[narrow tartan]

Thought.

On the existence of other suns.

Like. If somewhere has its own Sun... That is one of the Houses of the Sun

[frank light]

that could be how it works

i dont actually know what the houses of the sun are

i just sorta presumed thats where each sun is

[narrow tartan]

nodnod basically. Its kind of what I asked at some point about. If Jasper went to somewhere else and there was a sun if it would be the same one as town or something.

[frank light]

mm
i think there wouldnt be any more suns besides jasper anymore

cus well, jade's dead

[vivid wraith]

There's Greyvale's horrible sun

[vestal mist]

There is indeed

[frank light]

yeah

there is grayvale's horrible sun

[narrow tartan]

nodnod what might be possible though is that the Houses of the Sun still exist and could be reinhabited

[frank light]

i have done some research into the houses of the sun business
it appears to refer to Houses in astrology

[narrow tartan]

nodnod interesting

[obsidian dagger]

...okay hot take: that is also Jasper.

And/or her Called Away shadow, if she takes Called Away.

because that's kind of what you might expect from "the sun, if it was the child of the Headmaster of the Bleak Academy".

[magic mason]

That makes a lot of sense actually

I wonder if Jasper wanderer would be like True God wanderer according to glitch or if she would go to what is left of the sun kingdom

Or both

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[vivid wraith]

That is pretty compelling tbh

we get some extra info in Far Roofs that doesn't line up though

[obsidian dagger]

Oh it just explicitly says it.

I forgot that.

It doesn't rule out the possibility of it being her Called Away shadow, though.

[magic mason]

For those who don’t know, the true gods(which Jasper splatwise falls within) have their wanderer realms locked up inside of them

And going to their realm is a matter of dreaming/self analysis

[narrow tartan]

Ooh

[frank light]

i theorized that it could be her wicked mode but

shadow is a fun one

doodled some more kaiju references and added it to the jasper reference sheet

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[restive ridge]

RIP

[restive ridge]

So true

[ruby ivy]

hmmm
do people think the Far Roofs would play well as a one-shot? trying to think of what you'd need to adapt or adjust in order to boil it down to a one-shot where people are potentially learning the game and conceit very quickly

[frank light]

Far roofs plays great

As a one shot you may not have time to fully fit an entire arc or something but like

A quick 2 group muddle game with everyone having 1 quest? Could probably bang that out in a couple sessions.

[ruby ivy]

hmmm
yeah, arcs and quests are something that seems hard to fit into a single session

maybe some people will progress them, but probably we won't get all of them screentime?

[restive ridge]

I think Froofs works best in the long term

Maybe a twoshot

[frank light]

All Jenna games work best in the long term

However far roofs group Play structure is much more well suited towards a short term game

Like, you could just do the hoop snake sidequest

Boom

[restive ridge]

Yeah a short game works but imo not a oneshot

[frank light]

Oneshot is, to me, “yeah this is 3-5 sessions”

Which may be skewed but I find there are very few good games which can be completed in one session

[restive ridge]

Yeah

[ruby ivy]

hm
I could possibly swing a 3-5 session thing, but it'd be difficult...

[magic mason]

Hey is there a collective name for angels and fallen the way the game and the rules have “Magisters Of Humanity” ?

[vivid wraith]

@ruby ivy Jenna ran the Unicorn story as a convention one-shot before, leaning more on the readings and group muddles than on the quests

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Beowulf has aspect energy

[restive ridge]

This is a Bane

[vivid wraith]

Yeah

[fleet harbor]

I do love how consistently Jenna uses “as strong as a bear” to describe being extremely strong

It borders on running gag

[restive ridge]

Ok but a bear is a really good way to measure strenght tho

[fleet harbor]

Oh I mean it’s not a problem, I just think it’s funny

[restive ridge]

You instinctively know how strong a bear is

[candid compass]

I think most people don't actually

[frank light]

I didn’t actually but it was close enough

“Wrestle 8 guys and come out on top” is my understanding

But that’s also a Jenna reference

[patent tiger]

A bear is about as strong as someone using Aspect 4

[restive ridge]

They are only pretending to not know

[vivid wraith]

thanks jenna

[vestal mist]

The thing I'm most worried about there is the "usually"

[magic mason]

well sometimes its a Wicked Act

could be suffer trauma if you feel bad about it ig

[frank light]

yea

[vivid wraith]

first day in the chancel and i think they're hazing me. "You need to keep silver on you, the dog-headed goatman answers not to our laws" whatever dude i am a lord of this earth

what was that

[frank light]

Yeah

[restive ridge]

Rip bro

Died as he lived

Without silver in his pockets

[vivid wraith]

I forgot Azumanga Daioh was in the reference works for Chuubo's, but, it's in there yeah

[restive ridge]

Makes sense

[vivid wraith]

Chiyo is a Natalia

[restive ridge]

📝

[restive ridge]

Real

Chuubo would probaly be a p good game for Dungeon Meshi I think, thought about it before

[vivid wraith]

Preparing a meal is a Ritual
it works

[tall jolt]

Bears are strong enough to frequently kill you in one hit

Though they'll probably just eat you alive lol

[vestal mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542757174007431178/1349881757079568486/1NxIFJV.jpeg?ex=67d4b6da&is=67d3655a&hm=5d01ae65adfb489771be7c56005dc6c836216fea3f874648aedc7df4937d0c9e&

This feels very Jenna

[fleet harbor]

You joke but I’ve suddenly realized that Sakaki = Natalia

[restive ridge]

Thinking about the canon Warmain-forcefemming again

[narrow tartan]

Would dungeon meshi froofs be better? (Has not finished froofs)

[vivid wraith]

Somehow I think.... not really? Hard to say why
Maybe it's a matter of consistency

[frank light]

Interesting, really?

[restive ridge]

I think Id be slightly worse at it

[vivid wraith]

Far Roofs' randomizers are good for adding extra texture and less predictability
But Dungeon Meshi's core ideas kind of unspool in a way that you can see from the start if you know what you're looking for

[frank light]

I see I see

[vivid wraith]

yaaaay the throngler

[narrow tartan]

Kangaroos pregnant three different ways?

[fleet harbor]

Oh my god

Incredible

[frank light]

wow

THe jasping is going well

the reference image is "The East God" by ching yeh

[restive ridge]

Dying of peanuts

[vestal mist]

The Jasping indeed is

[frank light]

The jaspinggg

[restive ridge]

Why am I not suprised its Ching Yeh Very cute Jasping Karen

[fleet harbor]

nooooooooo

[frank light]

He’s got good art!!!

Though the only reason I’m using the reference is the pose lmao

Thank you

[obsidian dagger]

I was actually considering giving the Angel of Fortitude a sentient life-drinking sword to rehabilitate (decided on doing a fucked up little bird instead) so... yeah.

[frank light]

Oooo

The birds great tbh

[narrow tartan]

Yeah

[narrow tartan]

Bird is great

[narrow tartan]

Holy's version of Stunt is probably tied to Divine Warrant

[restive ridge]

True

[vivid wraith]

https://www.tumblr.com/cad-comic/720298440751562752?source=share

[frank light]

Yea

[fleet harbor]

I statted this up

[fleet harbor]

Chuubo's: it occurs to me that Tragic Flaw can give the Ace some defense against Awakening stuff

"you can't subvert my identity, I AM TOO SAD"

[frank light]

Yeah lmao

Probably

[fleet harbor]

Hey everybody have a magic system

Pneumaturgy
Non-magical techniques:
[Obstacle 1] Determine the physical condition of a living creature
[Obstacle 2] Hear the voices of spirits
[Obstacle 2] Determine the physical condition of a non-living object

Magical techniques:
[Obstacle 1] Accelerate rejuvenation and self-propagation
[Obstacle 1] Awaken or heal the spirit of an inanimate object
[Obstacle 2] Repair spiritual injuries
[Obstacle 2] Break a curse
[Obstacle 3] Cause an inanimate object to behave like an organism, healing and possibly growing over time
[Obstacle 3] Instantly heal an injury to an organism
[Obstacle 3] Cause a body to change over a long time
[Obstacle 3] Allow spiritual and physical things to affect each other
[Obstacle 4] Disrupt magic in an area
[Obstacle 4] Make direct changes to your own body
[Obstacle 5] Make direct changes to someone else's body

[vivid wraith]

ooooooooh

[frank light]

This shit is so cool

[obsidian dagger]

...so, my Minnesotan is showing, but it has just occured to me that Town doesn't really have potlucks per se. It probably should. Maybe they could be a Ritual.

[frank light]

they should

also

YOU

YOU

[vestal mist]

Ooooh

[frank light]

the heron...

also titov relationship map

[fleet harbor]

Well that ain't good

[frank light]

eyah

its

yeah

the titovs

[fleet harbor]

Yep!

Iolithae: "I'm not a thing under the shrine! I'm a beautiful girl! Absolutely everyone wants to kiss me!"

[obsidian dagger]

I am regrettably thinking that due to my desire to rely on the setting book, I will have to use the default climate. But it's just awkward to imagine a pastoral setting with zero snow.

[fleet harbor]

Cannot throw snowballs or ice-skate

[obsidian dagger]

not even those. You can't shovel. You can't sit inside, sipping hot cocoa, watching the snow fall.

Losing out on snowballs and snowmen is ridiculously tragic too, though.

[fleet harbor]

No snow-viewing sake either

[obsidian dagger]

And it threw me off when I saw the stuff about "how to take care of your house" and it didn't even mention running hot water to stop the pipes from freezing.

Like that is quintessential "living in an old creaky house" core.

[vivid wraith]

we love possessiveness and distrust don't we folks

[frank light]

its so fucking good holy shit

the titovs suck so bad

i love them

[frank light]

yeah

its so fucking good

the titovs are so good

[frank light]

god

GOD

titovs SUCK SO BAD

i love them

[obsidian dagger]

So, there's a character who has a power which I think is Reality Syndrome (it feels like she's a Gold character) but I'm not sure what arc would best do this.

It's an adaptive power (another point towards Reality Syndrome, although it could be Wounded Angel I guess) with the core conceit that the character is never in an unwinnable situation. It's not that she's guaranteed to win, or even likely to win... but if she's ever in a situation where it's impossible for her to succeed, she develops a temporary new power that gives her what she needs in order to be able to succeed.

[frank light]

Oh?

[frank light]

This could be primordial

That is a big thing with it

[obsidian dagger]

I guess she could be primordial for "success" or "victory" or something?

[frank light]

Possibly

I don’t know much about the character

[obsidian dagger]

...read Now You Feel Like Number None because it's genuinely amazing.

and eventually this character power shows up. (You do not have to read this.)

[frank light]

Huh!

[narrow tartan]

Actually you have to read it.

[frank light]

i love this chuubo art so much

look at this dorky boy

[vivid wraith]

him slurping

[magic mason]

Lil guy eating noodles

[frank light]

hes just a little guy

[vestal mist]

He really is

[restive ridge]

Nobilis

[vivid wraith]

Deceivers especially

[frank light]

Yea

[strange raptor]

Okay, so, I've been thinking about domain pstates (this post will continue to get more concerning as it becomes apparent what's currently occurring/about to occur to the noble I'm playing, so, to anyone reading this: enjoy!), and I've seen how well-loved persona pstates are (as well as how much people love persona's emulation/enchant/sacrifice playstyle), but, comparatively, you rarely see that much pushing of the boundaries of domain! Which is a shame, because having been playing a Domain 5 build, I have to say, it's been really fun with a conceptual phenomenon!

But theoretically, domain is just a stat for like... 'interfacing' with a construct/mechanism/phenomenon. And when that phenomenon can be somewhat arbitrary (especially if it's not a thing which occurs in creation), you can theoretically get up to some really weird things, right? It's the trait used by Warmains in 3e for enacting their test! So, with that in mind, there sure are a few miracles scattered around throughout wyrd/lore/eide in glitch that deal with correlative actions of a strategist to their infection, aren't there? So, this is totally a bit of a hack, but, I finally maybe, have a solution for the mechanical implementation of a thing

So

The symmetries to Heartbreak of the Strategist Yamada Eidvayne, who Estelle Doe is not. (symmetries is currently a placeholder word, and it's a lot less long of a name when you shorten it to just 'The symmetries to Heartbreak of Yamada Eidvayne' (also, the phenomenon can also just be referred to as 'Heartbreak', and the properties still conjugate correctly, which is a little touch I'm proud of), which is roughly the same length and structure of deciever pstate names and warmain 'the tools of the test of X' that I've seen used sometimes)

Heartbreak
- Cost as much as you cared. (2)
- Kept forever what was left. (2)
- Made an other, out of what was a part of self. (1)
- Unearthed sentiments concealed. (1)
- Happened. And kept happening again. (1)

[vivid wraith]

[strange raptor]

I didn't necessarily just want to make 'divorce/grief pstate', so, it's a little more complex than that, because it's ostensibly the mechanism of infection as well!

but

yeah

[restive ridge]

Absolutely cooking here

[magic mason]

oooooo that is very cool

[restive ridge]

I love Domain

[magic mason]

(also poor Estelle Damn)

[fleet harbor]

Oh no Estelle

OH NO ESTELLE

[strange raptor]

oh, y'know

world-bound moment

[fleet harbor]

Estelle what are you doing

[strange raptor]

don't worry about it!

[fleet harbor]

Harmony turning a Power into an Excrucian was not a proof of concept Estelle

[restive ridge]

Estelle is enganging in healthy coping mechanisms

[strange raptor]

also, gonna start that scene soon with Robin for the apologies thing! (ignore the fact this might be the last/one of the last scenes this arc depending on where Karen wants to cut it)

(ignore the timing)

[magic mason]

The Warhost Is Here For You
You Poor Thing Which Has Gained The Eyes To See

[strange raptor]

(nothing is going to happen)

(I can be trusted)

[fleet harbor]

(I am going to make Janecenas yell at you Estelle)

[strange raptor]

oh, also, another fun thing - the properties have a bit of loose correlation to her estate, which is thus:

Friendship
- takes as much as it gives (2)
- is greater than the sum of its parts (2)
- ties things together (1)
- requires trust and truth (1)
- persists (1)

'persists' was a during-play addition from a greater motion (one of the other properties used to have an extra point in it instead; I don't remember which one)

[frank light]

Oh yeah lmao

Right

You didn’t know

[fleet harbor]

WHAT DONT I KNOW

[frank light]

yeah

hahahah

yeah the uh

[restive ridge]

Wouldnt you like to know necromancer girl?

[frank light]

the world is wrong y'know

[fleet harbor]

God damn it! Robin just reformed!

[frank light]

hahahaha yeah

thats how it is

[candid compass]

I thought they were just opposed to the Host and to Creation now? 😛

[fleet harbor]

That’s reform!

[candid compass]

I suppose

good luck trying to be a weird third party

[fleet harbor]

Robin: Am I out of touch? No, it’s Literally Everyone who is wrong.

[frank light]

Yeah

[candid compass]

still maintain they should probably try to find a nice Chancery chapter to take them in 😛

[fleet harbor]

I suppose Robin could take in a Chancery chapter :P

I mean Robin actually does want to find a strategist to talk about mimics with

[patent tiger]

The commonality point between Robin and Harmony

[fleet harbor]

Oh god

Someone should point this out to Robin

[patent tiger]

Well it's not gonna be Harmony lmao

[fleet harbor]

@strange raptor I have a job for someone with your very particular set of skills

[narrow tartan]

Poor Estelle.

[fleet harbor]

Reading Allegorical in BoGH, thinking about how it and Holy work together as "I am the coolest and most important ever"

What two other arcs would fit with those two for Narrative Black Hole characters

[vivid wraith]

Become Somebody?

creature of delirium (but not because it has I Am The Coolest as a power, just because it is in fact the coolest)

[magic mason]

Deepnesss or A Second Red

Awakening*

[fleet harbor]

Deepness/Awakening does seem right

Hm

Or does it? It's very good at subverting others but I'm not sure it has those extremely strong vibes of "I am the best and most important boy"

[vivid wraith]

Second Self specifically is pretty strong for that

[magic mason]

you set yourself up as "The Chosen One" or some other similar prophecy

You can purchase your own blessings, you blur the lines of fiction and reality

Like conversion is pretty important yeah, but

I feel like it works pretty well

[fleet harbor]

Yeah, fair

[frank light]

persona and become somebody are good

[candid compass]

definitely should have Visage IMO

it's all about sweeping up others in your bullshit

[frank light]

persona is, at least by chuubos standards, the ability to live in a genre that you can manipulate the extent of

its REALLY infectious and its good for narrative black hole

[fleet harbor]

This is what really caught my attention in Allegorical as something adjacent to Holy

[candid compass]

the elusive triple Orange 😛

[fleet harbor]

"The Belgian and the Bee" wtf

[frank light]

honestly it makes sense that Wildlords have that kind of thing

they are a little bit narrative black holes

[fleet harbor]

It's also just very fey

[frank light]

they believe themselves to be the main character in a way, though not even a malicious way

[magic mason]

the hree allegories are Fallen, Wild Magisters and Warmains

[frank light]

just
they see everything through being themselves

yeah

and serpents

dont forget the snakes

[fleet harbor]

And so makes sense for Wildlords and warmains

[frank light]

yup

[fleet harbor]

Who are both very fey

[magic mason]

right the snaes have it too

[frank light]

very fey powers

for fallen, their Allegory is the replacement for gardener

[fleet harbor]

Fallen kinda have a wild powerset

[frank light]

instead of gardening specific places they have taken up a love of the world

[fleet harbor]

Wounded, Holy, Allegory, Sealed

[frank light]

and as such

can bring it to life

[magic mason]

it lets them be everywhere and everywhen

[candid compass]

I am unfortunately now cursed to always think of "Did John Pork predict the fall of the Roman Empire?" whenever I think of Allegory

[fleet harbor]

As it should be

[frank light]

im so glad i made sure none of you could forget that

i just kept saying it in vc and you guys kept saying "karen what the fuck are you talking about"

and yeah the fallen have a WILD powerset

theres a lot about them thats very interesting

their wounded angel marks them as someone who will take on burdens for others and self harm so much to help people

but also makes them assholes a little bit

like
leonardo de montreal?

...that boy is like, how i put fallen together in my head when i need a reference point

he has a love for the wicked
but also
He only shows up when youre at youre weakest

he has sworn off friendship and emotional connection and in return can take on burdens and save people

hes an asshole, insufferable, and he will save you

hes
good fallen vibes

[vivid wraith]

he did

[frank light]

he did

[magic mason]

hmmm thinking about how Indomitable and Creature Of Light have some shared DNA
and Creature Of Fable and Troubled have some shared DNA
But Accursed and Creature Of Delirium don't have much crossover

or did I just not detect it?

[frank light]

thematically maybe but not powerwise

theyre both alien creatures that are alienated from the world but...

yeah no theyre different mechanically

[magic mason]

Creature Of Delirium iss honestly closer to silver quest miracles than it is to Accursed

[fleet harbor]

The nature of the alienation also feels quite different

[frank light]

yea

though theyre both a little bit broken

i suppose in a way, its the core of deceivers rather than strategists

the nature of the breaking

[fleet harbor]

Delirium is more ... "it's easy to change the world, because the world is bullshit, here I'll show you" with strong overtones of emotional abuse

Accursed is much more "I can give as good as I get, and I get a whole lotta bullshit"

[frank light]

delirium is interesting
i think about jasmine a lot, in its context

shes uh
jasmine

i love you honey
but wow you can be dense

jasmine "oh yeah thats just randal"

Kseniya "oh thats bad. Jasmine thats not good. Can you ungoo him?"

[narrow tartan]

Early Theft (Creature of Delirium) was a Silver arc

Does fable of the swan reinforce the existence of non godly excrucians?

Frantic silver known as Alchemist

[frank light]

how do you mean

fable of the swan...i mean it establishes that there are people who are riders that are not gods but

chuubos already established a bunch of that as part of its just...setting

[narrow tartan]

nodnod fair.

[obsidian dagger]

speaking of Creature of Delirium, I found a song called "I Will Possess Your Heart" and I'm not sure it even is the song for Creature of Delirium. It might be Primordial.

[narrow tartan]

I liked. How Randal is just bewildered by Jasmine being an Excrucian

"You dont just realize that the world is a lie"

[frank light]

mainly cus his family traces their origins from his mother (who was cursed by a rider) and his father who just...was a rider from the walking fields

the walking fields is like, where you find those nonmiraculous but still rider riders

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[frank light]

like fey hunters who zoom in from the forest and well
hunt

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[frank light]

it is interesting that the excrucians are still...somewhat active in town

granted, they've been 'active' for centuries but

they just...havent stopped.

excrucians still commit random murders in the walking fields, and the college of war and nightmare is mentioned to sometimes do little campaigns to try and kill jasper

or at least, tempted to

plus, while the headmaster does seem to be almost the 'leader' figure of the bleak

uh

hes only like, one guy.

if an excrucian like iolithae or orderic or something disagree with him they can just, ignore him

also im thinking about this in the fortitude book

Town's religious history is GREAT

[fleet harbor]

Iolithae: "How could a weird old man who is named He The Lord Of Death's Dominion He possibly tell a bishoujo like me what to do"

"His first name is He, and his last name is also He! His name is 'He He!' That's weird and dumb!"

[frank light]

yea

[vivid wraith]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[frank light]

the headmaster is just like
like hes a very very scary excrucian

but we have lots of those

we have like, 20 of those

he might be harumaph, the first rider, Death, and the lord of all of that but like

thats impressive credentials
the other godlike riders are still also godlike at the same time

[frank light]

love the titovs

[strange raptor]

I am ostensibly good at miraculous disassociation/divorce lmaoooo

This is true

I love Domain actually

Underrated trait

[obsidian dagger]

oh hey another match to Immortal/Frantic/Sickly with the three majors

[magic mason]

well the big thing with the majors is that they map to the Excrucian types in Nobilis/Glitch

Warmains are War and Nightmare
Deceivers are Natural Philosophy
And Strategists are the Dreams and Emptiness

at least that was my impression

[narrow tartan]

rememvers strategist percy jackson fic

[obsidian dagger]

Yes, but I mean the three colleges within that, with the group that's able to work within the world being Immortal, the group working independent of it being Frantic, and the group working against it being Sickly.

[frank light]

oh within the college of war itself?

yeah a little bit I suppose

[narrow tartan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AsGxFz5eabY

[magic mason]

this post is very nobilis

[narrow tartan]

Strategist getting isekaied.

[restive ridge]

Thinking about this again

[vivid wraith]

WOOOOOO

[restive ridge]

I think I cooked

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[fleet harbor]

... actually though

This is good

Like it fits with the nature of evil, I think?

If you kill him, whoever the Evil World and his powers go to, by default the killer, inevitably becomes him

The temptation is to try to make the Evil World maybe not the festering nexus of all evil, but that's the trick

Taking on a fundamentally corrupt mantle will inevitably cover your hands with blood

[frank light]

yeah

[restive ridge]

Nah, I'd be different

[fleet harbor]

And the mantle will go to somebody, even if you pass it up. So why shouldn't someone like you take it, and try to make it better?

[frank light]

that is more or less what happened to e2

he is trying to make the evil world better

he is trying to make evil better

he is a representation of evil being a thing that is worthy

because his father is a representation of...not that

[fleet harbor]

Okay wait

[frank light]

hes a different estate entirely

[fleet harbor]

You know how we periodically talk about "what splat is Entropy"?

What if Entropy doesn't know because this has happened before?

[magic mason]

short break to post a low effort meme

[restive ridge]

Thank you Fluffy this is hilarious

[vivid wraith]

And succeeding!

[fleet harbor]

In Town, that kind of thing might be possible

It is a softer world

[frank light]

i think also fundamentally the nature of evil itself has changed

because

well

e2 is an imperator

he IS the concept of evil being redeemable in some way

fundamentally he is the possibility of it

hes what remains of evil because the last version of it couldnt exist

[fleet harbor]

Maybe this is why he’s E2 and E1’s spirit still sorta exists

Because unlike any previous changes of the mantle, this one was not complete?

[frank light]

does e1's spirit still exist?

im given to understand hes pretty dead in chuubos

[obsidian dagger]

he's pretty dead but his presence lingers.

The Six Sins still exist, and the Horizon campaign mentions the possibility of time bubbles or prerecorded messages.

[frank light]

thats true

the six sins are the remaining shards of his sins and all that

but he himself is dead

[vivid wraith]

E2

[patent tiger]

So true

[restive ridge]

Real

[narrow tartan]

takes notes

[restive ridge]

#1333515211973595177 message important

[vivid wraith]

Slow-paced slice of life

Erratic drama that spirals into obsession and isolation

Getting caught up in magic and mystery

Leaning into stylized, "meta" takes on fantasy

The katabasis, the descent into travail and hardship

Fables of fate and transformation

Deeds out of a heroic epic

Tales of struggle and overcoming danger

...and additionally, the choice of whether your player characters are fundamentally mundane or if there truly is something miraculous about them.```

trying to briefly explain Chuubo's genres without stating their official titles, because the official titles' meanings aren't always obvious

[narrow tartan]

Seeing. JK Rowlings work in a store. Desire WBH.

[jovial cipher]

so hypothetically
if I was to approach running the Glass-Maker's Dragon, since I do have all the necessary books... how do I actually approach this, as a start

other than the campaign book itself do I do a big reread of the basegame and of the Fortitude book

or is this a question I need to take to the jennagames discord, in which case I'll take a link

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Legendary. How useful can/should it be

[vivid wraith]

Get a group
Figure out what characters people want to play, make sure you/they get pretty familiar with them
and then the metaphor I hear is that the characters start at the top of a ski slope and just need a push to get started

(other people here can speak from more experience though)

[jovial cipher]

that parts all clear, assume I am a relatively experienced GM including for more 'narrative' games (though not for Chuubos specifically, though I have been lucky enough to play in like a 3-session attempt at a campaign)

hoo boy "let's all make miraculous characters" is the hardest I've had to scour a rulebook prior to a game since I hadn't fully read the core before then

[strange raptor]

finally did a bit of a more formal writeup of a superior skill I have in nobilis 3e, which hasn't been super relevant since I've had it at 4 and have a cool Aspect 3 such that it's essentially just like... always Enough as justification for action hero/shoujo moment nonsense where the minutia doesn't really matter, but, still, I present the following:

Magical Girl

An unfortunately named Superior Skill
------ ★

Magical Girl 0: You can always choose care over apathy.
Magical Girl 1: The convictions in your heart sharpen into an ideal you hold dear. When you delineate or divide yourself from another with a word or a weapon, you do so cleanly and precisely.
Magical Girl 2: Your convictions sharpen the world around them in turn. These may cause minor aesthetic phenomena which allow a truth of your beliefs to reflect in a peaceful non-verbal (or at least not primarily verbal) form of self-expression, such as a change in clothing or music. When you delineate between any two things with a word or a weapon, or defend another, you do so cleanly and precisely.
Magical Girl 3: This is a pragmatic level. The highest mortals tend to get! Congratulations or condolences accordingly. The benefits of sharpening the weapon-self to this extent are thus:

• Manifest a truth of your beliefs to physically reflect in a violent, aesthetic act of self-expression, such as summoning a weapon, rebuking a foe, or exploding something with a signature blast - as long as it's pink (unless you pick a color that you like better).
• When you divide any two things with a word or a weapon, you do so cleanly and precisely.
• Force someone to witness your truth, which they may deny by sharing their truth with you instead.

-- ★

Anything above 1-3 tends to get a little...

Isn't that enough?

You learned to care. You learned to fight.
And yet, a greater, outwards-blooming question lingers.

At first:
Why wasn't that enough?

And at last, just, simply:
Why?

-- ★

Magical Girl 4: Incorporate into your art a beautiful truth about a person or belief which has resounded with your heart.
Magical Girl 5: Incorporate into your art an ugly truth about a person or belief which has resounded with your heart. You can't make it better with this alone, I'm sorry. But, you can at least start to try.

also, @vivid wraith, I'm sure you'd want to pinged for this :P

[vivid wraith]

YEAAAAAAAAH

[obsidian dagger]

Fun! Also kind of what Chosen One is, right? Is this Chosen One adapted to Nobilis?

[magic mason]

I feel like you can still have Superior Magical Girl in Chuubo's

Since like, Heart Magic exists

[obsidian dagger]

true.

[strange raptor]

I honestly didn't really reference anything (outside of other superior skills to figure out what scope they function at), beyond asking fluffy in a different server for like "hey so how do superior skills scale?"

so like, any relation to Chosen One is by proxy of Chosen One also being very magical girl coded

[frank light]

This is also contextually a type of thing artificially constructed by an ancient excrucian shadow

So it’s not quite Immortal

Or at least, I don’t think it should be

Something about it is broken, deep inside

[strange raptor]

fundamentally the purpose is just that it's a skill

[frank light]

That too

[strange raptor]

but yeah, there's also a whole bunch of things in-fiction about how magical girls work in this

[magic mason]

Trever Henderson Long Horse would make a great Serpent

arbitrarily large
Terrifying
Just a nice creature
exists between dimensions

[strange raptor]

also, fun little thing - the choice of 'heart' here would disqualify Estelle on account of her about to literally be infected by heartbreak, but, uhhhhh Whenever the Strategist’s qualifications in their Technique are being tested, the Strategist may automatically invoke Talent to pass the test we're playing nobilis 3e, so, it's mostly just fiat really what I choose to put in a description of a skill that I already ostensibly get arbitration over deciding what it is, and really, it's more just there for the vibe! because magical girls!

[strange raptor]

Karen's done an amazing job with all of the background metaphysics. It's been a delight!

I think we've really gotten a lot of good mileage out of magical girls existing

[frank light]

I’m glad!!!!

I did a lot

Of work on it

[strange raptor]

we've had fun action hero stuff; background cosmological working slowly unraveling; a lot of shoujo moments; a lot of awkward family drama; and like, a lot of fun moments of dissonance where characters with mortal stories who are also metaphorical/structural in some abstract capacity sitting down and talking in hyper mundane settings

we've got range

[vivid wraith]

this is so good

[strange raptor]

step I wish I could beam some of this directly into your brain

[vivid wraith]

🧠

it's making progress
little by little

[strange raptor]

this was followed by me being a poor influence on my son (accelerating him on the path to violence [I had just bought a treasure gift for his bow that's actually been really fucking useful, and hopefully he's gotten as much use out of it offscreen as I have onscreen])

[frank light]

“Please don’t put your gun in your cleavage”

I think about that a lot

In reference to your FIRST CONVERSATION WITB HYDRANGEA

[strange raptor]

I have no reasonable response to that, but in the moment I didn't have the context so it was only the normal amount of improper gun safety practices

[vivid wraith]

incredible

[frank light]

Yeah

It was so funny

Looking at that scene after the fact

Didn’t you also offer him a cig?

Your
17 year old child

[strange raptor]

shut up I didn't know he was

smh

smh smh smh my head

[frank light]

it was so fuckinf funnyyyy

[strange raptor]

I've also only been being the normal amount of dramatically ironic in the current Thing That's Occurring

dressed up as an excrucian rider and talking to your own sister caelestis: "wouldn't you like to know, sovereign power?"

also! I'm proud of the outfit I've conceived of for her for this!

I'd like to think I've given her a fun little wardrobe!

(oh, also, Ash is one of her anchors, for context, I suppose; he's a pseudo-corporeal living memory; don't worry about it)

[vivid wraith]

ooooooh

[frank light]

yeah!!

[restive ridge]

This rocks

[restive ridge]

Deadbeat mom allegations

[narrow tartan]

I think. I like Angel pretty murder council of four member. The best. For reasons

[frank light]

barely even allegations

[fleet harbor]

They're just facts

[restive ridge]

I was trying to be nice

[frank light]

lmao

[strange raptor]

I'm finally going to pour one of my CP from these level ups into more skills and like... 1 point out of the 5 or however many 1 CP buys you is going to go into increasing Parenting from 0 -> 1

She is experiencing growth!

As a person!

[frank light]

WOO

[strange raptor]

This is why I do maintain she'd have like... Ability 2

Which is maybe a boring amount

But alas; I still think it says a lot about her, both positively and negatively

[candid compass]

Impressive, if your comparison point is Strategists 😛

[strange raptor]

oh, y'know

[frank light]

Omg wait I should share with you

My noble concept for 4e

[restive ridge]

Deceiver "we are all in a simulation" whose Reality Syndrome are RPG mechanics in the real world

[vestal mist]

Oh, no

... that's just Solo Levelling, isn't it?

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah, probably.

Notably, a Deceiver would probably be able to apply those same mechanics to other characters.

...this isn't exactly the same but I'm suddenly remembering Ar'kendrethyst (web fiction that started out quite good and then, uh, kind of declined).

[fleet harbor]

Does Robin have a weirdly low amount of Ability, or a weirdly high amount?

[restive ridge]

High imo

[fleet harbor]

Yeah

[magic mason]

Dating a boy with troubled has gotta suck because your on a date and suddenly he’s like
“Goddamn it the pursuer is here I thought the hole would keep him busy for at least 6 hours”
And you are like “what?”
And he’s like “yeah I dug a big hole to keep the pursuer busy so he wouldn’t interrupt our date”
And your just stuck here wondering who the fuck the pursuer is and then some lanky androgynous figure enters the restaurant and walks slowly towards your boyfriend with its massive eyes completely focused on him and its teeth ready to snap

[fleet harbor]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AsGxFz5eabY The man in red

[magic mason]

Yeah

Exactly

[frank light]

    It’s a dark purgatory down there. A timeless space. There is stone ground, there are walls, and there is darkness. Sound echoes and builds in waves, whispers scratching along the edges of the stone. In the distance there are chains.
    This is not a normal prison. This is something that can chain up a horror.

    That horror bears a name. Iolithae Septimian.

    A monstrous thing, a deceiver of great power, ancient, older than the world some say. This place is the only thing that can contain her. The power of the Titov magic wraps around her, twists her, until she is one with this place, until she is the poison in their hearts. 
    And still, even then, she twists them. She is a thing that whispers bleak nothings, that tells you to give up, who destroys you, who wants you to join her in destruction, join her in eternal purgatory.

    Meon doesn’t know what changed, exactly. Well, he knows about it vaguely but…Iolithae wasn’t like that. 
    She isn’t like that. She was a monster of course, but so was he. 

    No, she was also a person. But down here? It’s…it’s gone. Who she is, it’s gone. Stripped away from her. All that remains is her deepest, most primal parts. The thing that whispers to you to give up, to fall to Bleakness. The rest of her is gone.

    Meon stares at what remains of Iolithae. Chained up, bound in the center of this sunken purgatory. 

I'm cooking i think

@fleet harbor the hets

[fleet harbor]

Are the straights okay

[frank light]

no

[reef perch]

i concur!

[restive ridge]

This is a horrible dynamic(complementatory)

[frank light]

thanks <333

[fleet harbor]

It's the worst ship, because it has the worst participants

[restive ridge]

Hand picked to maximise eachothers enabling

[frank light]

yea

[narrow tartan]

I like the idea that the Titov shrine is a bit like a horror bed and breakfast. Something horrible is always under there. But. Its like not always the same horror?

[fleet harbor]

Evil Motel But In Town

[vivid wraith]

iolithae tricking Heart-Eater into switching places with her

[narrow tartan]

Nah. Its more of a VRBO situation. They use the Titov family magic to make certain it remains unnocupied only long enough to clean

[frank light]

tiniest true God

[restive ridge]

Observer her smallness...

[frank light]

so tiny

4'7

[restive ridge]

Girl can get lost inbetween quantum states

[frank light]

shes gonna fall inside a particle

[narrow tartan]

Tell us. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Actually. Probably not many

Now. How many giant snakes can dance on the head of a pin... Thats a question

[vivid wraith]

Divine Warrant for pin-dancing

[candid compass]

A lot actually, they can just go intangible

[frank light]

true

[obsidian dagger]

Thinking about a hypothetical arc with both Creature of the Light and Accursed. Normally, they are pure; they wear purity as a shell, as armor. Sin slides off them, like water off a duck's back; they are untainted by their actions. And because they are so pure they cannot be touched by miraculous opposition, and they are empowered to stand in judgment of the impure world, to point out a thing's flaw and deem it unworthy of existence. But as they interact with the world, and live within it, their purity starts to be compromised, and they must eventually retreat from the world lest they collapse under their own harsh judgment.

Like... bizarro Warmains. But also kind of Strategists, since they already get to stand in judgment? But maybe different in meaningful and/or interesting ways? ...I'm not sure what other arcs they'd have.

[restive ridge]

Saintly Eide Strategist vibes

[obsidian dagger]

This has the weird but not entirely negative connotation that doing wicked things doesn't erode their purity at all, but doing wholesome things does.

Maybe they want something Orange but I'm not sure what? But I get the impression that if they stay in service to their Role (which usually involves going around judging people and things) that doesn't make them impure. But they have a limited ability to act like a person. ...which, for mechanical reasons, is kind of the opposite of how the World-Breaker's Hand works.

[narrow tartan]

Prophet?

[obsidian dagger]

Prophet is Frantic Black. But also possible.

[frank light]

https://bsky.app/profile/pixelcoffea.bsky.social/post/3lkqz6n7v2k25

(@pixelcoffea.bsky.social)

Jasper Irinka, child of the sun, and a premade character for the glassmakers dragon.

Gods most power 15 year old dork, literal primordial embodiment of hope and sunlight, and very very…small.

Bluesky · Mar 19, 2025, 8:22 PM

[vivid wraith]

Finished the jennagame intro post I've been working on!!
https://stepnix.dreamwidth.org/17339.html

[frank light]

WOOOO

[magic mason]

21st century familia

Magical Girl Imperator
Homoerotic Swordsman
Evil and intimidating Horse
Single mother(He/Him)

[frank light]

Yea

[obsidian dagger]

...regrettably, I have again consciously realized that Iolithae Septimian is a manic pixie dream girl.

[patent tiger]

Yeah

[obsidian dagger]

Not just in temperment; that's just. A thing Deceivers are good at.

[patent tiger]

She is

[frank light]

• quote from Iolithae septimian

[obsidian dagger]

Thinking about the Creature of the Light/Accursed combo again, possibly in conjunction with the Exultant, and he defaults to having Spiritual which is kind of intuitively odd?

Which I guess means that I'm misinterpreting the Exultant.

Or possibly Lee Scathing. I think I got them sort of blended in my mind.

Lee Scathing is suggested with some combination of Primordial, Accursed, A Keeper of Gardens, and Wounded Angel, but this is in a book with no other Silver or Blue options so it's possible one of those isn't quite right.

I think, instead of a Bane, they have a Sin — something wicked that can be seen in anything and everything. As long as they remain pure and untouched, they alone are free of that Sin due to their divine warrent. If they interface with the world, start to understand it rather than merely judging it, that's compromised, and they start to see their Sin in themself as well and have to retreat to their Sanctuary.

[vivid wraith]

Gatecrasher

[obsidian dagger]

Is that Gatecrasher or Troubled? They look a lot like each other sometimes. ...probably Gatecrasher.

I feel like this group usually uses the World-Breaker's Hand with their gaze. I feel like maybe they wear blindfolds, not to restrain their power, but because to see the world is to be changed by it.

[vivid wraith]

It's Gatecrasher because tattooing optical illusions on yourself to fight better is extremely stupid and you shouldn't do it, so how did you make it to the finals of the punchkick tournament...?

[obsidian dagger]

fair. A lot of Gatecrasher probably involves secret martial arts tournaments. It seems weird to class that as Blue, but, uh, it kind of is.

...cultivators could have Gatecrasher (the murim) but the Zu are very distinct and different version of cultivator.

[frank light]

It’s a very sorcerous kind of blue

I like blue since it’s a combo of dealing with the forbidden and most of all it’s the color of sorcerers

[obsidian dagger]

True.

[frank light]

Weirdos who deal with big things they probably shouldn’t be dealing with

And people who make cosmic decisions

Magicians and the like

[obsidian dagger]

Gatecrasher is interesting because you're usually part of your Secret World, at least somewhat. Gatekeepers usually aren't.

[frank light]

Yea

Kinda similar to how spiritual doesn’t directly have an immediate opposite number or alternate self

But is part of this spiritual other

[obsidian dagger]

...it makes sense for Frantic things to be their own opposite number in that sort of way.

[vivid wraith]

Fate/stay night is a secret martial arts tournament if you think about it

[obsidian dagger]

you're not wrong (also I still need to read that)

[vivid wraith]

genuinely, reading it explained Gatecrasher to me better than anything else

[obsidian dagger]

fair. I'm trying to remember what media explained arcs to me, and why they are what they are, and I just keep coming up with "Hollow Moon by AWOLNATION is Gatekeeper" and, yes, but that's not the same.

also this

[frank light]

Yeah

It’s super gatecrasher media

[candid compass]

Shirou does definitely have Style

[vivid wraith]

yeah he makes that baseball tee work

[magic mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fnAVB6GWpo
Wyrd Girl Wednesday

[restive ridge]

Shirou has a second Style for his Style's Hidden World thats how many Gates he's Crashing

[frank light]

Impresario - Being a Lord, specifically of Death's Dominion. Rule over minions and control the story.

God And The Devil - Being a Headmaster, and maybe a father. An authority figure that people trust and fear in equal measure

On A Pale Horse - The stat for hunting, finding, chasing, and also knowing things about horses

Falling stars - The bleak thing that lets you become the limit upon which all things are compared. To be Death.

Metaphorical Cage - The story of who you are, the allegorical essence of your soul.

Hands Reaching Out - Father, Husband, Teacher. This is the voice of compassion.

Lyric - Storytelling and the nature of narrative. The power of endings, happy and sad.

Chattering Voices - The part of you that makes you annoying to people. And also really good at copying people's mannerisms.

Headmaster's Disco elysium stats

sorted into 4 categories based on his miraculous arcs

[restive ridge]

Hmm hmm

I see the vision

[frank light]

this came from

Hands Reaching Out - She's hurting, because of you. You need to make this right. You need to comfort your daughter.
Check - Medium[Failure]
Chattering Voices - TeLL HER SHE LOOKS LIKE HER MOTHER- ThAT SHOULD MAKE HER HAPPY, SHE LOVED JADE

[restive ridge]

LMAO

[frank light]

yeah

it evolved from "the headmaster is like the Lich from Adventure time but also harry dubois"

[obsidian dagger]

I don't think Impressario controls the story. I mean, I get it, but that would be more of what the red arc (Lyric, here, probably?) would do.

[frank light]

impresario kinda controls "the story"

not like

the narrative framing

but the characters

im not doing this in a miraculous arc way

im doing this in a disco elysium way

and impresario would be used to declare a character feels something or does something with complete confidence

...which is how the arc is used in game

[obsidian dagger]

Fair enough.

[restive ridge]

Impressario: Make Jasper tell her what's wrong [Check:Medium]
+1 In the Bleak Academy
+1 Thought Internalized: Hip Teacher
-2 Jasper is upset with you
-1 This is not how normal people communicate

[frank light]

yes exactly

this is exactly my thought

[vivid wraith]

Hip Teacher

[frank light]

thats "God And The Devil"

its actually somewhat boring as a skill

it pretends to be a cool hip teacher

[restive ridge]

His Thought Cabinet ought to be fascinating

He still has the same Unexplicable Feminist Agenda as Harry

[frank light]

yeah

"Thought gained - Father of Hope"

unlocked by seeing his baby when shes like, 1 month old and holding her in his arms

only finishes internalizing after he kills the sun

like
it just happens right after he kills jade

"Thought internalized - Father of Hope!"

[restive ridge]

Yipee

[restive ridge]

In a competition between Jasper and Miramie who is more microwavable?

[obsidian dagger]

what does that mean

[reef perch]

seconding, a useful comparison will depend on how microwavability is measured

[fleet harbor]

Miramie will burst into fire even if you don't microwave her

Conversely, Jasper will burst into fire if you don't microwave her, though for opposite reasons

Therefrore, I declare this competition a tie

[restive ridge]

Very wise gkat

for point of reference for determining microwavability, this is a 9.5/10

[obsidian dagger]

Hm. ...I'm sorry, no, I still don't get it, although that might be me.

[reef perch]

image begs the question

[obsidian dagger]

I think I need a second point of comparison, although I can kind of guess what the question means (although I'm still not sure what the answer is).

I think Miramie probably.

[candid compass]

Jasper

[frank light]

I think Miramie

Jasper’s temperature won’t change as much in the microwave

But Miramie would get warm and then you could hug her like one of those plushies you put in the microwave

[restive ridge]

📝📝📝📝📝

Listening and learning

[magic mason]

Creature of Delirium/Theft with the experience of “Gravity”

[restive ridge]

The Noble of Oil...

[gloomy oasis]

We need a picture of someone who is a 0 or 1 out of 10 when it comes to microwavability.

[vivid wraith]

https://ryo-maybe.tumblr.com/post/778553745444339712

[restive ridge]

So true

[frank light]

Laodemus schwan

[fleet harbor]

Terrible/amazing realizations: Natalia is Maniac Magee

[vivid wraith]

Wha

[restive ridge]

Wise

[fleet harbor]

Maniac Magee is a 1990 book by Jerry Spinelli about a youth who runs away from home to an incredibly racially divided city. There, despite his own phenomenal abilities and developing sort of culture-hero status, he drifts through life and reckons with homelessness and isolation.

[restive ridge]

Ohh ooh yeah

Yeah that makes sense

[restive ridge]

In Exalted 2e, the Sidereal are lorewise cursed to suffer from worse planning and coordination as more of them gather together, however Jenna Moran chose not to enforce this mechanically, believing that players will naturally replicate this dynamic, by constantly bickering with each other

In Nobilis, the Nobles are forbidden from feeling love, as they will fall in love by Excrucians and convinced to betray their duty to Creation, however Jenna Moran chose not to enforce this mechanically...

[narrow tartan]

...have been licked by [deceivername].
...are now [deceivernames].
...have cooties.```

[fleet harbor]

XD

[candid compass]

Yeah

[restive ridge]

(Wyrd 2)

[narrow tartan]

Diavolo/Doppio as a Strategist

Or maybe a mimic

[restive ridge]

Def a Stratehgist

[narrow tartan]

Dio: Warmain
Kars: Warmain, possibly in some sense the same Warmain as Dio
Kira: Strategist or Mimic
Doppio/Diavolo: Mimic or Strategist
Pucci: Deceiver or Mimic

[candid compass]

what would Diavolo be dying of?

People? The Past?

[restive ridge]

Remembrance

[candid compass]

that's a good one, yeah

[restive ridge]

You only die when your name is forgotten (menacing)

[vestal mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222238277654941706/1353246982143086702/Screenshot_20250323_000540_Tumblr.png?ex=67e0f4f6&is=67dfa376&hm=9408a917f28bfab6f04d5d02be08c7e15af426944805082b3b364b240ccc1afc&

[vivid wraith]

a version of this got circulated with the nobilis part cut off and that's tragic

[restive ridge]

So sad

[magic mason]

Random thing but
Thought about curses

A monstrous curse makes you dangerous
A Eide curse makes you hunted
A wyrd curse kills you
A wyrd/Eide curse hunts/haunts and then kills you. Classical strategist

A monstrous/Eide curse feels like it would have this ideal of “let them come”. You are being hunted, you are never not being hunted but anytime they turn up you just brutalize them. Or maybe your being haunted, but when you finally succumb its other people who get hurt.

Wyrd/monstrous I feel like would bring out the “bleak determination” aspect of wyrd a lot. Someone who is too far gone to care anymore. They are dying but what that means to them is that they have to finish what they started before they go

[restive ridge]

A Wyrd/Monstrous curse is the John Wick movies

[magic mason]

while I see monstrous/indomitable people get a lot of flack for their curses not being as bad. Ever since I conceived it through the vampire lens I feel like I got it

Wyrd is when your main problem as a vampire is that your covered in layers upon layers of potentially lethal rules that keep you stuck in your castle

Eide is when your main problem as a vampire is that you have to keep yourself hidden or you will get jumped by Catholic assassins or us government scientists

Monstrous is when your main problem as a vampire is that you eat people. Not necessarily that you have to eat people that is more Eide, but like the fact you’re a predator and that people see you as a predator.

“Damn my demon arm is too good at killing people” only sounds silly before your significant other can’t look you in the eye anymore after seeing you fight

That type of thing

[restive ridge]

Hmm hmm

Spittihg

[candid compass]

I will never stop making fun of Monstrous

[magic mason]

Started thinking about this because I’ve been reading this grimdark sci-fi fantasy novel where the main character is very monstrous/indomitable.

The main characters curse is that he is possessed by the ghost of his little brother, which makes him an incredibly good blood mage, inhumanly strong, and the chosen one in a prophecy to end the world.

But his little brother doesn’t like, haunt him, very rarely is he completely “overridden” in a way that doesn’t end up doing what he already would have wanted.

But it does make him dangerous, he flies off the handle, he hurts people a lot worse than he ever wanted to, it ruins his relationships because its hard to look someone in the eye the same when they have genuinely scared you

[restive ridge]

So mean

[fleet harbor]

I was thinking about Wyrd/Monstrous the other day, and I think my best take was that it's someone who is naturally inclinced to revel in their power and excellence but who also finds that same nature abhorrent

It's when you do, in fact, hate and despise your own Extremely Cool Personal Curse

[candid compass]

I did give the one Mystery I made Monstrous and Wyrd
because its bit was destroying itself to become stronger
sharpening yourself into a blade so you can't be hurt anymore

[fleet harbor]

"I'm the reincarnation of someone very cool and very evil" would be a good Indomitable/Accursed setup, for instance

[frank light]

Yeah

…

Hey Jen

[vivid wraith]

hehehhe

[fleet harbor]

It would have been a really interesting direction to go in

[restive ridge]

Theres always time to switch

[fleet harbor]

I like the direction I did go quite a lot

I just personally vibe a lot with Indomitable, it is (whatever this says about me) My Kind Of Bullshit

[frank light]

it would have been

but yeah i love the current vibe of jen

[fleet harbor]

It would have been a much more overtly anguished Jen

And one over whom the influence of Jonah was much more overt

Jen as is gets to be more of a problem-solver coming to terms with the forces that created her

[frank light]

yeah

[frank light]

though i am TEMPTED to involve jonah more explicitly

it'll be funny!

[narrow tartan]

realized I have attracted ants
Checks to see if they are crawling through the walls

[frank light]

Oh no

[narrow tartan]

Fortunately I have not seen the glitch

[narrow tartan]

Is, "Rinley has a Gun" an actual quest?

[vivid wraith]

It is not, but it's pinned in the fan server

[narrow tartan]

nodnod wheb you think about it. If Rinley is on Creature of Fable. Then them having a gun is probably safer than you might expect?

[narrow tartan]

Excrucian deceiver proponent of what he calls, "Real Elide"

figures out what my strategist bane should be

[restive ridge]

It is in my heart

[magic mason]

Declare my ops unkindled and let the shadow take em

[narrow tartan]

Aaron's Serpent

[frank light]

yeah

[narrow tartan]

Rinley has actually met Chuubo's parents. Off screen

[magic mason]

I am still obssessed with the idea that Chuubo's legal guardian is an FBI agent

[narrow tartan]

...hmm suddenly thinking about The Replacements

[restive ridge]

Had a vision of this meme with Coriander and Iolithae in it

[vivid wraith]

which is which

[reef perch]

could go either way really

[restive ridge]

Iolithae with a fade is too cursed Not to bring into Existence

[vivid wraith]

🫵

PTutu

[frank light]

WOW

[narrow tartan]

For a non size shifting child of the ash how big should their kaiju form be?

[vivid wraith]

Still pretty big I think
Big enough to cause problems for themselves and others

stunlocked myself looking at the reference works again

what's Babe doing there

like it fits perfectly

but what

[vestal mist]

The Princess Bride
Based, based, based, based

[frank light]

somewhat large
or at least, a little unwieldy

[narrow tartan]

But like. 24 feet across? 48 feet across?

Sorry. Vidualizing is tricky for me

Probably the best answer is appropriately large

[vivid wraith]

Try 24 feet first

[frank light]

it depends on what the form is too

i remember the Cheetah that has fast/armored as its scale

[narrow tartan]

Yeah thats the one i am thinking of. Whole imperial species of them

[obsidian dagger]

I'm trying to think of other interesting examples I've seen, and I briefly remember someone somewhere having one that has "near you/far away from you" as their scale, and explicitly could be right next to one person and very far away from whoever that person's holding hands with.

[narrow tartan]

That has fun energy

[restive ridge]

I love Exalted

[frank light]

Oooo

Another fun one is “solid/liquid”

Or the scale is state of matter in general

But

I dunno scales are hard

Big+strong vs small+weak is really good as a scale

[obsidian dagger]

well, yes, but scales are usually gradiants. That said, I could see some slime monsters with a "solid/liquid" shifting scale. Or maybe the Terminator.

[frank light]

Yeah

My thought is some kind of amorphous slime thing

Where it could become hard enough to do…a lot

Or flowing enough to do other stuff

It’s not perfect but it’s got something

[obsidian dagger]

the point isn't that they can just adjust that slider, but that their position on that slider is ambiguous.

[frank light]

Perhaps Firey/icey

That was another example

Perhaps for an elemental

[obsidian dagger]

This is great for characters with a Giant Mode which is portrayed as different levels of giant in different episodes.

[frank light]

And one I had for Evelynn was magical vs monstrous

[magic mason]

Beautiful vs Awful is a fun scale if you are more on the Eldritch side

[frank light]

Oh that’s good

“Angelic-demonic” for a weirder one but yeah

I hadn’t considered more thematic scales

[magic mason]

Entropy 2’s deep shadow running around with this

[frank light]

Lol

[magic mason]

I wonder if the deep shadows are still around in Chuubo’s

And I wonder if you could play them as more charactery

[restive ridge]

Metaphorical vs Physical depending on whenever you know the position of all atoms in the universe or you just stab people

[vivid wraith]

Heart-Eater is running regal vs monstrous

which is secretly still a size slider

but a flavorful one!

[vivid wraith]

Boke: Rinley
Tsukkomi (comparatively): Seizhi
Moe through helplessness: Chuubo
Seemingly "perfect" at first glance: Natalia

[restive ridge]

Boke

[obsidian dagger]

that's not a typo.

Manzai usually involves two performers (manzaishi)—a straight man (tsukkomi) and a funny man (boke)—trading jokes at great speed.

seizhi does have that energy though.

[ruby ivy]

kaiju whose form is a horde of little dudes
the scale is organized/independent

[fleet harbor]

I've been permanently harmed by the realization that Natalia is Sakaki from Azumanga Daioh

https://tenor.com/ch1NFpJDL2A.gif

[obsidian dagger]

I mean, I realized that there are substantial similarities between School and Wayside School.

Especially in terms of the teachers.

[frank light]

Oh????

I have no idea who this character is

[frank light]

Nightbird’s feather

[restive ridge]

yes

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Which type of miraculous being do you most identify with? Including non canon ones

[frank light]

Angels

Next to that is true gods and strategists in equal portions

[magic mason]

Actuals
Which admittedly, bit odd

[frank light]

Nah that’s fair

Actuals are great and cute

One day I should play seizhi

[narrow tartan]

I identify with some stuff in a negative way if that makrs sense? But. I positively identify with Serpents

[frank light]

Mhm mhm

Serpents are great

[restive ridge]

I think I have been a Gamelord from the moment I exited the womb

[frank light]

Nice

[frank light]

This is what morangame lore is like

God damn it’s only 70 million years old????

God it’s BABEY

[restive ridge]

So ture

It was actually born yesterday but retrocausally because a Noble wanted to mogg their cowoekee

[frank light]

Yeah

Ittt bitty angel baby

True god of sharks is older than you

True gods and snakes are the kinds of imperators who are friends with other imperators

Giant mass of tentacles holding up a wounded fallen wicked angel “he’s my bestie!”

“Where I’m from we call him demon-“
“Please leave me alone”

[restive ridge]

So true and beautiful

[frank light]

You see a true god and it has at least 2 magical limbs from a fallen angel and then you think “wait are they dating?”

[restive ridge]

Dating or long time rivalry

(Who can tell the difference)

[frank light]

True

[narrow tartan]

"should we meet in bluebell park?"

Hmm. Uses time travel based sealed miracles to change gaming history in petty ways

kills john chambers

[restive ridge]

Batman Gatecrasher evidence

[vivid wraith]

i'm not thinking of the thing i was thinking of i was thinking of some other thing i was thinking of

[frank light]

"Tibetan meditation"

those monks in tibet had a LOT of fuckin techniques

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Persuasion powers...

[narrow tartan]

Most settinfs dont have persuasion powers. I guess

[frank light]

Many do don’t they?

Or at least, depends on how you define “persuasion powers”

Chuubos has some even, if you include nobilisverse stuff.

Given the Titov magic

And also given storyteller arcs in general, troubled arcs, and even reality syndrome

[narrow tartan]

Sorry. I was saying that setting other than jenna games don't have persuasion powers

[frank light]

They tend to!
Or at least. Many do

Dnd even has spells for it

[restive ridge]

Theres a lot of settings with "hard" persuasion/mind control powers but not that many with "soft" super charisma ones

Jennagames usually make a point that miracles dont inherently make you better at meaningfully communicating with people

[tall jolt]

Hi chat

Concept of Sand

• Makes you spout a Star wars quote
• It gets everywhere
• Is coarse and rough.
• SAND GUN/ PHAROAHS CURSE

[narrow tartan]

Yeah. Exalted, which Jenna had a hand in, also kind of does that. And. Its interesting to imagine that interaction with other universes.

Or something.

Sand is cool as well

[tall jolt]

XD

I bet a Sand Noble would honestly be pretty fun

[frank light]

I find it interesting that the openly emotion manipulating powers are basically the same as miraculous attacks

There is zero mechanical difference between a miracle that makes someone think you’re important and a miracle that sets them on fire

Other miracles establish obstacles which is more passive

Like reality syndrome

[vivid wraith]

The titovs are a fun case here

because their power isn't mind control
their power is just getting what they need to get you to cooperate

[restive ridge]

I love this sidebar btw if you couldnt tell

[patent tiger]

I like that sidebar, but it's muddled a fair bit by Shine not actually meaningfully providing a capacity to socially engage (and thus, "Persona is the social stat" isn't actually the case)

[frank light]

Yeah

It just names your price

Which is

Honestly a really fucked up power

I really like it

[restive ridge]

Shine is weird yeah and its one of those mechanics I miss the least from 3e

[vivid wraith]

ideal chuubo's dialogue i think

[restive ridge]

Chuubo the kinda Serpent to start floating to the aroma of a delicious pie on someone's window

[vivid wraith]

Got a Far Roofs article in here, very happy with how it turned out!
https://free-radicals-press.itch.io/odyssey-zine

[narrow tartan]

Would Greater Stune with the technique Esper Prodigy be enough to mind wrestle the Simmurgh?

[vivid wraith]

i've done like three different far roofs intro bits and every time i've linked to karma's rat maker

it's important

[frank light]

i do not think a level 6 mundane action could do it

[frank light]

YESSSS

[narrow tartan]

Yeah that makes sense.

[restive ridge]

Yeeesss

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Science, Faith, and Sorcery is all about. Finding, Asserting, and Deciding the why of something?

[frank light]

its an epic fantasy sort of xp action

making a decision about the world, choosing to believe something in this case

[fleet harbor]

Things you can use The Ace for:

• breathing exercises
• eating too much food.
• giving massages

[frank light]

yeah

natalia gave jasper a massage

it was great

[candid compass]

how nice of her

[fleet harbor]

(Jasper had her wings torn off by a nimblejack)

(It was a wing massage for the newly regenerated ones)

@patent tiger This is a callout

Evil does not cackle and bask delighted in its own cruelty. Certainly cruel people may do that alongside great evil, but there is no reason that a good woman cannot wear a cape and laugh uproariously about the depths of her scheming, besides convention.

[patent tiger]

Oy

💢

Evil can cackle and bask delighted in its own cruelty as much as it wants

[candid compass]

is that what Natalia plans to do? 😛

[frank light]

yeah
it also tends to do that

the nimblejack did

[fleet harbor]

Look, if you can have grimly good, and you can have grimly evil, it only follows that you can have both maniacally evil and maniacally good