Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

im currently trying to run a iron warriors fellhammer siege host crusade, one idea is to take a 10 man termie brick

but that actually seems kinda not super interesting

[jaunty dawn]

I just read questor forgepact again jeeze this is a bad detachment wtf

[wide veldt]

Biophage is the science guy right

The “doctor”

[jaunty dawn]

The nostalgia and knight overwatch blinded me

[desert jay]

Questor Forgepact might be playable as just like "1 ranger squad for sticky objectives and a few priests for repairs " but it's not as good as other detachments

[vital barn]

What if Skitarii without any of the good things about Skitarii

[sour sequoia]

Yup. Lethal hits and +1 to wound metamorphs means you trade even into deathwing knights and punch up comically on anything else

They killed the new nightbringer in 1 turn for me last week

[wide veldt]

That’s hilarious

[viral crest]

😭

[jaunty dawn]

I mean yeah the problem is mostly that like it doesnt do anything

[wide veldt]

Is that the knights that lets you take Admech

[jaunty dawn]

Like being able to put in rangers is a good upside

The problem is that you lose everything else you get from a good detachment

[wide veldt]

Enginseers? Would they be good for knights?

[desert jay]

Specifically, can take Dominus, Manipulus, Marshal, Skit Rangers, or Skit Vanguards

[wide veldt]

For some repairing

Oh

Specifically not the one that I would want

[mental birch]

12 lascannons feel insufficinet

[jaunty dawn]

The repairs are funny

[desert jay]

So you don't even get the spicy skitarii units

[mental birch]

But then again my knight answer is running 3 sunforged

[jaunty dawn]

Like being able to do d3+2 to one knight is funny

But its not actually useful really

Because 10e is a game about stuff dying

[desert jay]

Also wow Magos Questoris is an expensive enhancement

[sour sequoia]

It’s how much I use because GSC is already autowin into knights, I know drukhari was running 32 darklances all summer because honestly fuck knights

[jaunty dawn]

And like if they cant kill your knight in a turn then they dont really care about it being slightly harder to kill next turn because theyve already lost so much as a result

[viral crest]

Yeah

[desert jay]

Oh and also only 25% of your army gets to be admech, not 50% like some other soup detachments

Which is kinda moot, you don't want that much anyway

[jaunty dawn]

Are there any imperial soups that get 50%?

[viral crest]

Trying to play some 1000 point games to help teach people the crusade and help figure out who I want to play

Oops they all brought half their list as toughness 7+ models

[desert jay]

Does Brood Brothers count as imperial?

[jaunty dawn]

Cause ik with knights youre pretty much already taking the 25% as agents

Um no because gsc cant take agents

[desert jay]

Or at least not post-codex

[jaunty dawn]

So Im wondering if all soup all the time is the reason

[wide veldt]

Alright yeah so current plan that I have for GSC

[jaunty dawn]

Wait

[wide veldt]

Patriarch with Purestrains because obviously

[jaunty dawn]

Agents isnt even a % thing what am I on about

[wide veldt]

Two Biophagus with their boys both in Goliath trucks

Although I should check if the rock grinders have enough transport

Because they’re already delivering melee boys into melee they might as well join the melee

[desert jay]

Wait a sec... Brood Brothers in GSC codex explicitly says guard lose Voice of Command, but Questoris Forgepact doesn't mention Doctrina Imperatives, and Doctrina Imperatives doesn't have an "if your army is..." like other army rules

Is this a RAW loophole?

Ah no it got FAQ'd out

[viral crest]

Dang 😔

[desert jay]

Literally the one FAQ for Imperial Knights TT_TT

[viral crest]

I wish Knights had some kinda like

Guys with pikes unit

I want Knights and some infantry dudes supporting them, but I want the focus to be on the Knights not on the infantry

[jaunty dawn]

They should have the cawdor gun pikes

[desert jay]

"Imagine if knights had some infantry" -Literally everyone with taste

[jaunty dawn]

Literally how my admech army worked when I bought it 😭

Like they should have their own infantry as well obviously

[viral crest]

Yeah!!!

[jaunty dawn]

Gate warden lance sounds really fun wtf

[desert jay]

Went to see which agents IK players are bringing in 2025, apparently the answer is Callidus assassin, melta Sisters, and Immolators

[jaunty dawn]

Understandable

[desert jay]

(Not necessarily all of these at once, but they're common choices)

[jaunty dawn]

Id still expect to see rogue traders unless theyve become horrible

Just for intimidate

Infiltrate

But callidus is great yeah

[desert jay]

Didn't see any Rogue Traders in the 10 lists I saw (incl. ones w/o agents)

[jaunty dawn]

Fucked up

[desert jay]

Agents I saw in only one list: Priest, Eversor, Vigilants, Culexus, and Artemis

[jaunty dawn]

Priest is wild

[soft willow]

Removing cover/flamer overwatch and having smaller infantry squads are good for knights.

[jaunty dawn]

Only just occured to me that its kinda weird theres a marine called Artemis

Like watch captain artemis sounds normal but just artemis is like

Whom

She could do better to live up to her namesake

[desert jay]

Jordan McGregor reported played it and won in the Sydney GT... Winter 2025?

Trying to find the list somewhere connected to the event and not just cited as "Sydney GT"

[soft willow]

Probably just a cheap character to fill points/do objectives with?

IIRC Priest is only 40 points.

[jaunty dawn]

Oh yeah it might just be the cheapest guy

[soft willow]

It's for sure the cheapest single unit in Agents.

[desert jay]

Yeah only 40 pts, next cheapest unit is generic Inquisitor (55 pts)

[jaunty dawn]

Underwhelming

[soft willow]

IIRC thirteen armigers and a priest is still a valid list in the Armiger detachment.

[desert jay]

It did also take a 115-pt Immolator tho

[jaunty dawn]

Still just sad about the rogue trader honestly like i know shes 100 points but

[soft willow]

115+40, instead of 115+100 for Sisters of Battle.

[jaunty dawn]

Infiltrateee

[desert jay]

But this is all I know about the list (vid is from Jun 30, 2025)

[soft willow]

Immolator is a dedicated transport so can't start empty.

That's why he's there.

[jaunty dawn]

And also you can redeploy armigers and thats funny

Pffffffff

Okay thats slightly less underwhelming

Are ppl just abusing the immolator buff

[soft willow]

It's removing cover for the AP-1 Helverins to be scary.

[jaunty dawn]

Mmm

[desert jay]

And I suppose if you're sticking one character by himself in the back of an Immolator, a priest isn't not thematic

[soft willow]

It's not about theme but about keywords he's the cheapest thing with the right one.

[desert jay]

Oh sure

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah I can see how that would be a better use of 100 points now that requisition is a thing

[desert jay]

And he can get out at the start and sit on home objective with his flamer

Torch a few nurglings

[jaunty dawn]

Its so weird that they decided the model who is like

Clearly not a priest

Is now the official priest model

[desert jay]

This is the one on warhammer.com

[jaunty dawn]

This is the one

[thin ibex]

is there an enclosed version of the impulsor?

[jaunty dawn]

That like

The rules are based on

[thin ibex]

also weird narrative question, but which chapter is most likely to be rolling like full mechanized, loaded up into impulsors and repulsors all the way through

[soft willow]

There are two loadouts for priests to cover the priest looking guy and the crazy flamethrower friend.

[desert jay]

Oh I see, "Ministorum Priest with Vindicator"

[thin ibex]

i know there are specific companies or subfactions that will totally run full mechanized, mind

[soft willow]

Both are pretty on point for what I imagine is going on with the Imperial Cult.

[jaunty dawn]

And like im not saying she couldnt be a priest if she wanted to

But like

She isnt old man with chainsword she is cool lady who hangs out with that old man

Like she has a backstory and everything they made her for blackstone 😭

[soft willow]

I mean same with the Navigator model.

[desert jay]

They should've painted the flamer version with the clerical collar

[jaunty dawn]

And the weapon is called a vindicator just cause thats whats written on the weapon

Which isnt really how that works either

Yeah but at least like the navigator is a navigator

[desert jay]

Oh I found her, Pious Vorne

[jaunty dawn]

And the technoarcheologist is a technoarcheologiet

[desert jay]

Other priest guy has a name too, Taddeus the Purifier

[jaunty dawn]

I think the rogue trader had rules at one point bjt then they lost them

Or like his loadout basically

[soft willow]

Good ole Tad drove the immolator in to help out the Knights.

[desert jay]

Taddeus has canonically set heritics on fire tho

[jaunty dawn]

It is funny that like

He just gets out immediately

[jaunty dawn]

You could make one with a tarp

[jaunty dawn]

Salamanders or iron hands probablyyy

Other than tl

[desert jay]

You could also build a Gladiator and leave the turret off

(You will need to fill the hole tho)

[thin ibex]

well the reason i ask is i was wondering ithey use the shield dome to like... "enclose" it

but yeah im thinking i try running a big chunky mechanized army if my crusade list gets way too many battle scars

so far im good tho

i actually kinda like the silliness of a space marine pick up truck

space marine technicals

[jaunty dawn]

Probably

[wide veldt]

@sour sequoia second try at GSC

That being said everyone is free to yell at me and hit me

[sour sequoia]

You actually have to get gsc right your first rep ever or 20 neophytes crawl out of your sink

[wide veldt]

Is this an absurd number of characters? Yes

[sour sequoia]

./s

[wide veldt]

Lmao

Also I don’t care how optimal it is I’m bringing two kelermorphs they’re the coolest guy ever

[sour sequoia]

So my earnest critique is get more trash and min size units

I wouldn’t go more than a 10-man of neos in biosanctic

I’d get WAAAAAY more purestrains and get a patriarch

[wide veldt]

I have a patriarch!

He’s my warlord!

[sour sequoia]

But right now you have no flexibility on respawns. I could deny your entire army rule

[rocky shale]

Rogue Trader let's you redeploy battleline units, but armigers lost battleline outside of one detachment so taking a RT doesn't do anything now

[wide veldt]

YO

[sour sequoia]

Oh I sure can’t read. I am dead serious when I say swap the enhancements—purestrains already infiltrate, and infiltrating free heroic intervention 10-man aberrants + abom can cause certain armies to autolose

Its such a problem to throw at people

[wide veldt]

YO

For some reason I didn’t realize you could cult ambush with restrain

[rocky shale]

Double kelermorph double primus is wild

[wide veldt]

purestrain

[rocky shale]

I'm taking fixed assassinate

[wide veldt]

Goodbye my locusts

Dude I need autocorrect to chill out

I’m getting rid of the locus and taking multiple leaderless units of min strength purestrains

[sour sequoia]

Here I can write a solid list when I get home

2 kelermorphs is good actually

I’d go 1 and reductus personally

But its actually v workable

[rocky shale]

It's more the 4 loneops total

They stop being quite as sneaky when there's a ton of them

[wide veldt]

Well the idea is that they’re quite spread out and like

Hit and running

The primus’s embed

[rocky shale]

Oh wait I was thinking of the sanctus

[wide veldt]

Although I am getting rid of

One primus, one kelermoprh, both locus

In exchange for

A saboteur and 3 units of 5 purestrain

Which are extremely cheap to cult ambush back

YO and that math gets me just enough to get one locus back

And I’m sitting pretty at exactly 2000

[rocky shale]

Yeah you need some cheap stuff to ambush back or you'll end up having points left over that you can't spend

[wide veldt]

5 purestrains is also just

Really cunty

As “unit that keeps coming back” goes lmao

[rocky shale]

Gyr is the expert but they seem slightly less amazing for that just because they can't shoot out of deep strike/ambush like a lot of the others

You just gotta send it for a 9" charge

Tho ambush is basically just rapid ingress

[wide veldt]

I’m biosantic tho so

I love charging

[sour sequoia]

Ambush is rapid, yeah. You’ll need to get good at it

Biosanctic universal +1 to charge means nailing 9-bombs is slightly easier, and actually very good with a reroll, extremely good with the strat where you get +1 to charge for each target up to +3 total for a cumulative +4 if you’re brave

[wide veldt]

I didn’t realize you COULD charge multiple people at once

BASED GW???

[atomic apex]

You can yes
You just need to be able to end the charge in engagement with all targets

[sour sequoia]

I would go like this for your biosanctic list to get good variety:

At MINIMUM:
1x10 aberrants w/ Predatory Instincts abominant
1x5 aberrants w/ Abominant
2x5 Purestrains
Patriarch with the damage boost enh.

2x 10 Metamorphs + Biophagus + Goliath Truck

2x1 Ridgerunner w/ Spotter and Mortar

Reductus Saboteur

1x5 Power Tool acolytes to sit home. Great w/ Locus for intervention.

1x10 neophytes to sticky as you push up

Season rest to taste. Take out these elements when you know what you want

[wide veldt]

Mhmhm

The Goliath/Metamorph/Bio is like

Extremely fucking funny

Imperial world, putting down a rebellion

Pickup truck drives up

Dumps out a surgeon and his 10 fucked up dogmen

Power Tool acolytes?

[sour sequoia]

Autopistol

It’s a bizarre name cuz you’ll never use the pistols

Load up on mining tools in em instead

[wide veldt]

Ohhhh yeah

I have some of them

The acolytes being called Acolytes with Hand Flamers/Autopistols is really weird

[sour sequoia]

You actually use the hand flamers at least

[pastel rampart]

Took 21 hours to print the head section.

[wide veldt]

Yeah I gave my guys hand flamers because

Pistols

My neophytes

I am satisfied with this list that I made tho

[wide veldt]

Also it seems like it’s worth equipping all the chaff boys with one guy w a cult icon

Right

[raven meteor]

Cult Icons are indeed nice

The SoB need a whole character for a worse version of that ability

[wide veldt]

Hmmm

Remake my IG army…

/make a new one

[raven meteor]

In my first game my Sacresants and the other player's Hybrid Metamorphs were just punching eachother in the face over and over going 'these units are the same'

[wide veldt]

Because new recruit exploded my list

(It was like a year old)

[wide veldt]

I want to kit bash and army of all female space marines

[charred bridge]

I sure hope it does

[sour sequoia]

Yes. There are edge cases. But ditching one dogshit gun for “all my shitmen are secretly even better necron warriors, you have to overkill or I steal objectives 24/7” is really worth it

[wide veldt]

Ough you just gave me

Huge Deja Vu

With that response

[pastel rampart]

https://www.uuinstagram.com/reel/DPu1pzwCjCU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[quaint compass]

love da subway

[sweet solar]

could also be a brute force necron destroyer cult melee guy looking at the angles on the tail/haft

[junior robin]

question is if necrons use ridged tubes like that on the side 🤔

[raven meteor]

I've seen the Ridged Tubes on both marine and eldar equipment so I guess it's possible necrons have them too

[sweet solar]

yeah they do in several designs

[jaunty dawn]

Just stick somme guitar string on it and call it warhammer

[pastel rampart]

As much as I like the blocky simplicity of the old Tomb Spyder it was such a pain in the ass to assemble.

[junior robin]

really thorn up on what traitor legion to go with my 30k mechs, really like the flavour of iron warriors but got both a cool world eater "techmarine" and a death guard contemptor

...I also got 5 other dreads I can no longer use in 40k, so guess I will do a death guard dread army

[paper bluff]

Every tomb spider is a pain in the ass to assemble

[tired cairn]

That's why the necrons stuff didn't stay in good repair: didn't build enough tomb spiders because it was too much of a pita

[pastel rampart]

Yeah but the current one is plastic, the old one was metal.

On a flight stand.

[tired cairn]

That flight stand must have felt like Atlas holding up the sky

[pastel rampart]

Oh it snapped if you so much as looked at it funny.

Whole thing really, it'd just fall apart because again, metal.

[tired cairn]

Got to pin it

(I hate pinning)

[pastel rampart]

Oh you want to pin it? lmao good luck sucker.

[tired cairn]

Disgusting

[pastel rampart]

Now, I should say: I could pin that because I'm a crazy man who has pinned impossible-to-pin models but I wouldn't like it. And I know damn well I'd have to drill through the main body and then have to cover up the holes with greenstuff.

[tired cairn]

For the models I did pin (old Tyranid monsters, so it was a bit easier), I glued the parts together and then drilled the hole from the outside (gap filling afterwards). No way was I successfully lining up the holes lol

[pastel rampart]

But there's little I could do about the flight stand there. Maaaaaybe those circular magnets some people use, the ball-and-joint ones, but it'd have to be some strong magnets to keep that thing upright.

[thin ibex]

were the old metal models also just glued together?

[pastel rampart]

Yes. Pinning wasn't that common so people would just superglue them and pray they'd hold up.

[tired cairn]

You probably would want to either skip the flight stick or use a metal rod you painted black tbh

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Or a suitable piece of terrain on the base that looks a little less conspicuous.

[junior summit]

pinning pewter was also a little dubious because of lead content

[pastel rampart]

Lead was phased out of pewter in the early to mid 90s.

[tired cairn]

Eh, they stopped using lead in their white metal in the 90s... Yeah that

[junior summit]

yeah but we're talking about the old days

....how old days are we talking?

[pastel rampart]

There was a whole thing about GW calling it "white metal" because it was lead-free, and that Tomb Spyder in particular came out in the early 00s.

[tired cairn]

I mean, they still had metal models in the 2000s

Some companies still sell metal models

[junior summit]

but also yeah gluing pewter is fraught

i have a bunch of white metal warmachine minis that adamantly refuse to stay glued

[pastel rampart]

Yes. But GW moved to their white metal in 1997, which was lead-free (or so they claimed).

[junior summit]

I'm using automotive primer as a kind of intermediate bonding layer

wait thats just primer

[tired cairn]

Often sandable and gap-filling

[soft willow]

Nyss hunters?

[junior summit]

Behemoth2

wrr

wait no that one is mostly plastic

hold on I need to figure out which one I'm thinking of

[soft willow]

OG Behemoth? Extreme Juggy?

[tired cairn]

Maybe an epoxy would help keep the miniatures together. But pinning is the only real way to be sure

[junior summit]

though the guns on behemoth2 refuse to stay on

[soft willow]

Pinning is the way to go.

[junior summit]

yeah I didn't want to just jbweld everything together

[junior summit]

extreme jugg that'd be it

[soft willow]

Save the JB Weld for titans.

[soft willow]

Bulky enough that pinning em isn't bad at least.

[junior summit]

oh also whoever sculpted behemoth1 hated people

[tired cairn]

(the crazy way would be soldering, but aiui white metal really sucks for that)

[junior summit]

this model is exactly as unbalanced as it looks

sorry behemoth 2 as in the second sculpt for the behemoth not the behemoth 2 which is a different model entirely

[tired cairn]

That's all metal? I don't think putting pennies/sinkers is going to help it stay upright

[junior summit]

all metal

[pastel rampart]

Yeah it's a famously imbalanced model.

[junior summit]

the usual trick iirc was that you'd basically bury the foot in the basing to help it stick

also the base overhang was a pita but thats what blanks are for

[junior summit]

I had to explain the difference between the mad cat mark 2 version 3 and the mad cat mark 3 version 2 once and I felt like I was going insane by the end

[jaunty dawn]

My biggest metal model is a quadruped so its fine

[tired cairn]

I think people sometimes pin even plastic models to the base (in the case where you aren't gluing it to the plastic of the base directly)

[junior summit]

also if it tipped over the weight of the body landing on an arm would just snap glue

thats a big fucking chunk of metal in the middle there

[jaunty dawn]

Pinning is good for a solid connection between like a painted model and a painted base

[desert jay]

GW still sells one for 40k! It’s Ezekiel

[junior summit]

wait was extreme jugg all metal?

[jaunty dawn]

Cause you can prep it beforehand and minimise work done to finished stuff

[junior summit]

am I actually thinking of behemoth1?

[soft willow]

The originals were.

Further speculation about Warjacks might want to move to the Indy wargame thread though.

[junior summit]

fair

I mostly like to point to warjacks as examples for how whatever GW got wrong someone else almost certainly did worse

[soft willow]

Yes and no.

[desert jay]

Also I had a friend who fondly talked about taking a pewter Rhino and taking pot-shots at it with a BB gun for battle damage

[tired cairn]

I assembled the 3rd edition Carnifex once. It fell off the table and exploded into all of its constituent pieces. Nothing was otherwise damaged, not even the plastic bits

[tired cairn]

Huh, how did it escape becoming finecast?

[tepid stratus]

Saw this happen at a couple of infinity tournaments with a seraph and a maggy

I almost caught a sword to the face when that seraph dropped off the table next to me

[jaunty dawn]

Maggie :)

[tired cairn]

So weird that Ezekiel is "temporarily out of stock"

[desert jay]

I’m gonna guess didn’t sell out of backstock while GW was still in the finecast era

[tepid stratus]

I'm still surprised the old girl hasn't gotten a plastic resculpt

[tired cairn]

Oh. That would make sense. Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

One dayyy

[tired cairn]

That looks uncomfortably large for a metal model lol

[desert jay]

That’s recentish too, I remember him being in stock like 2 years ago

[jaunty dawn]

Its really hard to paint

So I havent made any more progress in the past almost a year 😅

[tired cairn]

Though, the all metal Thunderhawk is definitely up there for "way too big of a metal model"

[jaunty dawn]

Um it looked like they might make one recently but they made a jotum instead

[junior summit]

you could give someone a concussion with a thunderhawk

[desert jay]

You could do that with a Rhino TBH

[tepid stratus]

Even the mid sized TAGs are awkward to paint. Just enough weight that holding them steady for an extended period of time gets a little shaky

[desert jay]

Also I got curious what the original 40k-scale Warhound model was like since that was before finecast and FW, and found out GW contracted it out to a California company named Armorcast

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah theres a few armourcast models

[desert jay]

Cast in resin, and some of the assembly involved nuts and bolts

[jaunty dawn]

A lot of them were just epic models I think

Like that sort of style

Just bigger

My dad had a ton of epic ones of these

[pastel rampart]

Armorcast stuff was goofy and it ruled because of that.

[jaunty dawn]

I think it also kinda shows how much of like

The imperial style was a function of the medium as much as these other models are

But for the most part the designs got popular enough to not change so much

Or be brought back by forge world

[tired cairn]

That reminds me of the (larger) Shaltari hover tanks from drop zone commander

I am very glad they didn't stick with most of the original design style for Tyranids lol

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[tired cairn]

I am a bit sad they are moving away from the xenomorph-style crests though

[paper bluff]

I'll be honest.I still want it because I want an oldcrons army

[pastel rampart]

My idea of oldcrons is the original late 2e/early 3e WD list.

https://thelostandthedamned.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/w40k-necrons-lord-warriors-3.jpg

The chunky boys.

[paper bluff]

I really want ten of the old immortals

[pastel rampart]

I LOVE those things.

[atomic apex]

Huh

I hadn't seen those designs before

[pastel rampart]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-gorebots-gorriors-241547 Dork Factory comes close to the oldcrons, at least in spirit.

[paper bluff]

Necron destroyers used to be very different

[pastel rampart]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/V5UAAOSwwW5n1DG0/s-l1200.png

Nyoooooom

[jaunty dawn]

Honestly like

Kinda a vibe

Like rather than destroyers being so mad they become transhuman (transnecrotyr) its just angry guys in their floating gamer chair of murder

[pastel rampart]

Their original list had it to where if a Destroyer was destroyed it'd pop out a basic necron warrior.

[jaunty dawn]

Pff

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KGZbH/bb6189f209.jpg

[jaunty dawn]

Makes sense yeah

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KGZbR/08d22a2734.jpg

[jaunty dawn]

It says gauss cannon but its like clearly a multilaser

[pastel rampart]

Scarabs were just roving meltabombs.

[pale narwhal]

Honestly that’s kinda sick

[paper bluff]

I'd also want a bunch of the old scarabs

[pastel rampart]

They didn't come with bases so you were expected to just, drop'em on the table and move'em as-is. Which meant they got lost easily but also since TLoS was a thing you could hide them behind like. A brick.

[atomic apex]

speaking of that, I have to say that so far LoS rules are the bane of my existence in like every wargame it feels

[pastel rampart]

I'm not a fan of TLoS because it gets a bit too fiddly. There's a use-case for having to get to a model's eye view in most rulesets but basing it entirely around that doesn't work beyond small skirmish games.

[atomic apex]

Only measuring base to base is more reasonable IMO, but still kind of a pain sometimes

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

Malifaux does it well because stats include base size and height, and are considered to occupy an invisible cylinder that's the width of the base and their total height. So you're just measuring from said invisible cylinder and are free to model things as you see fit without worrying about if your fancy base will mean you get sniped over a barricade.

[viral crest]

At least it's not Kill Team

Which is true line of sight but measured specifically and only from the attacking model's head

[raven meteor]

Guh,

[viral crest]

Yeah

Fuck I forgot about that until I brought it up just now and I'm actually starting to get annoyed at it again lol

[rocky shale]

TLOS that also doesn't include bases iirc

[jaunty dawn]

Also models might be crouching

[viral crest]

Uh huh

[thin ibex]

measuring from bases tends to feel more honest

because like

otherwise you create a dynamic where people dont install antennae on their baneblades or cur the ankles off of their space marines, and only use crouching models

effectively finding as many ways as possible to get as flat as possible with models

also hard punishment on winged models

[tired cairn]

Though people don't seem to do that too much with Warhammer currently

But I like the idea of silhouettes so people aren't punished for interesting modeling decisions

[viral crest]

Entire army of Space Marines in a combat roll

Samus morphball mode

[thin ibex]

well in 10th a lot of stuff is measured by base, with some true los exceptions

[viral crest]

Isn't shooting/charge measured by true los?

If a model is visible so any ability that targets visible models too

[floral herald]

A lot of this is in the terrain rules

Which broadly either do not block LoS or count as huge ass bricks so modeling for advantage doesn’t matter

In 10e anyway

[thin ibex]

yeah, 10e its not an issue pretty much

ruins los rules were honestly a great addition

[atomic apex]

It has been a little weird in our games so far that being in a ruin feels often worse than being just outside one

[thin ibex]

its gain vs loss, generally you also can't harm targets while just on the other side, while you can while in it; you do gain cover, which is relatively significant; but it does open you to harm

so it can feel like its worse cause the risk you're taking on isnt matching the gain you're getting from taking that risk

[atomic apex]

It just feels like closing off LoS from one direction is a lot better than cover most of the time

And that actually being inside leaves you counterintuitively more exposed

[tired cairn]

<cries in Toxicrene>

[tired cairn]

The worst is being partially inside. Where they can see you but you can't see them

[thin ibex]

well thats sort of kind of true, being impossible to shoot is better than being possible to get shot; you generally want to get into the cover/ruins with an intent, be it shooting a specific target or taking an objective, rather than trying to simply occupy a defensive location

for many units, say like a melee unit, its better to be out of los than in cover because then you arent rolling any saves

[atomic apex]

I get the tradeoff, it just feels a bit odd how largely undesirable being inside is unless you really need the LoS for shooting

[tired cairn]

It is counterintuitive in the sense of a military unit chilling just outside of a defensive position instead of inside of it lol. But yeah, it works in the game fine enough

[sour sequoia]

Its worth noting that I ran into a guy in 7th who actively reposed his riptides into baseball slides midgame and then threw a temper tantrum when I called a judge cuz what the fuck lmao

As much as people moan abt current LOS rules its legit the sanest they’ve ever been

[upper canopy]

what is a baseball slide

[sour sequoia]

Now make more than 1 terrain type block LoS

[jaunty dawn]

Didnt that happen in current edition with a stormraven

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/cubs-javier-baez-sliding-gif-14103788

[pastel rampart]

Baseball slide is this.

[sour sequoia]

Every stupid sounding rule that comp players defend will have like a decade of the most annoying guys you’ve ever met causing its genesis

[upper canopy]

Oh

I for some reason read that as "rebased into a baseball slide"

[sour sequoia]

For popping out of deepstrike you measure out of the model, for melee movement/charging you have to reach the base so you can barely ever touch that thing poppin out of deepstrike at effect 12” or more away

[junior summit]

I'm a standard cylinder advocate

easiest way to manage LoS imo

[sour sequoia]

Stormraven is kinda busted atm because I’m 90% sure they’re legendsing the dumb bastard next edition along with rest of the flyers

[desert jay]

Reposed them midgame? Wack

[sour sequoia]

I have emerged from the darkest timeline of tourney sweats

Everybody shitposting doesn’t even know

[pale narwhal]

All I remember from that time is the legendary kroot conga line

[desert jay]

The funniest part of the Kroot conga line is that it was just counterplay to someone else's infamous sweatlording

But now the White Scars list is almost forgotten

[tired cairn]

I like how they played a normal game for funsies afterwards

[viral crest]

What was the Kroot congaline

I might be remembering this

[tired cairn]

They scouted the kroot to their opponents edge of the board

[viral crest]

Was this when someone was doing some goofy deepstrike thing so the kroot were arranged such that there were no valid positions to deepstrike on anywhere on the map?

[tired cairn]

The entire White Scars army was off the board for reasons and so couldn't come onto the board Turn 1, and thus lost

I think it was specifically they had to come in off their board edge turn 1? But basically yeah

[sour sequoia]

Previous infiltrate rules did not specify >9” of enemy DZ just models

Previous Outflank rules could be used to just dead drop people turn 1 and smash a flank. Enter entire white scars army outflanking

Congrats your deployment is worthless and all firepower concentrates on one end of the board after you go first and move out to make yourself vulnerable

This was countered by a guy bringing enough kroot to fully screen his enemy’s deployment and then deploy directly into their entire DZ

[junior summit]

no legal deployment areas therefore no army therefore you get tabled with no shots fired

incredibly funny

[paper bluff]

Chud v chud

[sonic hare]

that shit eating grin

[sonic hare]

yeah i love this one

[desert jay]

Also modern 40k doesn’t let you reserve your entire army anymore, you gotta start with some of it on the board

[pale narwhal]

10e mandates 50% of your points on the board iirc

[atomic apex]

A few detachments let you get down to only a quarter on board I think

[floral herald]

I will note the critical thing here is that the tournament didn't allow named characters, which meant that the WS bikes didn't have Outflank

Which is why the line of kroot stops them - can't come off the side edges

[wide veldt]

playing grizzled vets IG - Lord Solar embedded with a unit of death riders so he can run around the battlefield giving extra orders wherever needed?

and the screening ability from the death riders helps him avoid danger? is this anything?

[wide veldt]

thinking of focusing on like

tempestus scions

is this just sticky objectives?

[floral herald]

Yeah

[wide veldt]

bao bao

i hope yall dont mind me throwing my lists in here

[topaz hinge]

What it is, is overcosted and inefficient unfortunately

[wide veldt]

Yeah?

[raven meteor]

From what I recall Solar doesn't want to be with Death Riders cuz Death Riders are a glass cannon melee unit and Solar's use is entirely removed from him being in deadly close combat

[topaz hinge]

Death riders don't really do anything for their point cost and lord solar is bloated and super unnecessary, especially when you're +1 order on everyone

[wide veldt]

Fair

Yeah i should swap him

any thoughts on a warlord?

[topaz hinge]

Creed

She's just generically strong

Discounts CP, farms CP on vox casters, many orders

[wide veldt]

i also dont have anything in the way of transports but thats

fiiiiiine?

genuinely no clue how essentially transports are

or if troops can just hoof it

[topaz hinge]

Not generally necessary, they've been price hiked enough to be optional

Move move move is strong and you can flip it to other orders with gaunts ghosts or the stratagem if really needed

How competitive are you angling for?

[wide veldt]

not very

casual friendly games

[topaz hinge]

Do you own these models already?

[wide veldt]

nah nah im playing on tts

[topaz hinge]

Oh, just go full thematic then

[wide veldt]

also yeah got rid of the death riders, lord solar, and the sentinel

grabbed creed, a unit of karskin to embed with her, and a second attlina

attlian

the horsies

[topaz hinge]

Rough riders like to be in blocks of 10

[wide veldt]

por que

[topaz hinge]

Order efficiency, wiping out targets in a single activation, ability to be rapid ingressed

[wide veldt]

gonna be honest i still dont really understand the pros and cons of one big unit vs multiple small

well without the lord solar theyre probably shit out of luck on getting orders anyway given theyll be like

riding ahead

and arent a squad so the tank guy cant order them

yknow what i actually dont think the rough riders are helpful for this army lmao

im just gonna grab another "spec ops team"

ie a tempestus command swuad

w a unit of scions

this is gonna be a smaller unit cause its what i can afford but they can drop somewhere less threatening

[topaz hinge]

That's why you want gaunts ghosts

[sour sequoia]

In most armies outside GSC it boils out to “is this for doing actions and scoring or is it for killing and fighting and eating stratagem buffs”

GSC has other calculations because its army rule works best on min-size units.

[wide veldt]

Mhmhm

So quick Q because I only skimmed over the core rules since waha is really good about hyperlinking
What are actions? I’m only used to like

The “take and hold points” objectives

[desert jay]

And some units get so much value from being min size or max size that GW doesn't give them linear costs

[sour sequoia]

Lots of missions require a unit to give up shooting and charging to Do The Mission. Some primary ones, some secondary ones that are drawn from a deck at a rate of 2 per round

[wide veldt]

I seeee

Maybe the horsies were a good idea for that kinda thing lol

But it’s probably fine

[topaz hinge]

Gaunts ghosts do actions really well :^)

[sour sequoia]

Some examples.

Gaunts Ghosts if you need An Action Doer are literally among best in the game. Death Riders can be good at it, but their uses are a little stranger/more risky

[wide veldt]

Is two squads of deep strike tempestus fellas of varying sizes good enough that I don’t gotta rework it do you think?

[topaz hinge]

You're playing casual you can do whatever

[sour sequoia]

If you’re playing casual I’d go to two min just so you have more room for other shit

And that’s perfectly good

[wide veldt]

I mean yes

But I wanna be like

At least semi effective

I still wanna win :p

[wide veldt]

Real yeah I should put the other one down to min

I do kinda consider them the centerpieces of the army

Mostly just cause it’s two extremely elite (for guard lmao) units just dropping into no man’s land

I should grab some stuff for chaff, I’m v anti-armor heavy

[topaz hinge]

You must understand its really hard to feel out this nebulous middle zone you're gesturing at. Guard is an army that lives or dies on fundamentals, and it doesn't seem like you're very experienced at the game, so I don't think you're gonna suddenly stomp everyone just because you have a strong list or anything.

[wide veldt]

Fair

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’m not really concerned about that lol

About being too strong

But also I mean yeah

Idk I think “casual viability” is a thing like

You can absolutely build an army that loses all the time even in casual play

Which isn’t ideal

[sour sequoia]

If you want to be casual, you run anything besides triple rogal dorn commander + kasrkin taurox bombs + engineers

[wide veldt]

Also Jesus Christ guard has so many tank variants

Like obviously, I already knew that but

[sour sequoia]

Or Recon Element

[wide veldt]

Looking at them and trying to decide which ones I want is a nightmare

[sour sequoia]

Recon is absurdly competitive and also will feel like dogshit to play at anything below cutthroat

[thin ibex]

Late to this, but usually isn't lord solar just squirreled away near the most important stuff to order rather than needing to move around?

[wide veldt]

I figured the later cause

Horse

Him on horse

[thin ibex]

Oh yeah no that's mostly for looks

[wide veldt]

That’s evil

[thin ibex]

And if he needs to skedaddle i guess

[wide veldt]

Also man I forgot how crazy some of the orders are

[thin ibex]

He is not a combat or mobility lord, he's a "tell all your guys to win" lord

[wide veldt]

Points at my tank
Idk shoot ur main gun twice I guess

[wide veldt]

Tripwires seems

Extremely unfun

Oh Christ crack shots

Wow yeah this whole detatchment seems really good

[sour sequoia]

Recon Element uses perfect positioning to turn 4” charges into mechanically impossible ones to then score out and then moveblock the sucker again

230 body rotating pinwheel of dogshit scoring bodies

[wide veldt]

Jesus Christ

[thin ibex]

I got a buddy playing pure recon because his list is themed hard into Catachan, uses legends harker and straken. I figure he's self nerfing enough

Recon does give you access to very cheap 3+ armor save bodies that have grenade

En mass

I remember it being super annoying lol

I do also remember he brought Nork, and Nork face tanked an entire kroot carnivore squad alone for like 3 rounds, nearly killing the squad single handedly

[sour sequoia]

yeah its a very specific kind of statcheck that still requires a ton of active play

versus just buying 5 big knights, learning in 30 minutes and probably going even at a GT

[junior summit]

isn't 5 big knights the polar opposite of how you play knights well?

[rocky shale]

No it's good again

[sour sequoia]

where have you been all summer lmaooo they gave em feel no pains and now they actually all have assault and 22" melee threat ranges

[junior summit]

oh

[sour sequoia]

Knights were clocking like 58% WR all summer and got one of the only emergency patches of 10th ed it was so bad

[thin ibex]

Knights and aeldari were i think the kings of 10th

[junior summit]

on reflection I literally tuned out of all warhammer competitive until recently so that would be why lol

10th dropped, armigiers good, huge hole where summer went, tuned back in

err

wait didn't they lose the armywide FNP with the codex?

[pale narwhal]

they lost that version of it but got another version in a detachment iirc

(also armigers aren't bad now they're just not as good as big bois)

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735679742048469082/1461255240761217286/bVjnSqj.mp4?ex=6969e37e&is=696891fe&hm=69602c9cb65a375ebf5c77e4e867a008db9dc0ad3521964f1a8e52cf4a8e8ecd&

[pastel rampart]

Finished printing, finally. Some gap filling here and there needs to be done.

[cinder wraith]

everyone thats on necromunda going through the Succession war

[junior robin]

building the siege automata and was a bit confused how the plasma mortar was attached, and its just, hanging on by a flimsy metal plate

[mental birch]

Ikr

[viral crest]

Wooo Grey Knights game played

I don't know if I like them but also fuck

That game

[wide veldt]

Idk how I feel about the knights but their drip is the best in the imperium

[viral crest]

Death Guard are really tough and also I had the worst fucking rolls

[wide veldt]

I wish all space marines looked like that tbh

[reef pagoda]

more seals and litanies = more good

[vital barn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AdeptusMechanicus/comments/1qdufbj/trust_me_im_an_enginseer/

this is an extremely cheerful animation

[wide veldt]

Tbh it’s the helmet

The seals and stuff rock but the actual knight guys

[viral crest]

Death Guard seems... rather strong

[desert jay]

Have you seen the Chaos Gate trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNX4on4uf4M

Probably the best looking GK outside of a few illustrations

[wide veldt]

Oh my god

They don’t even look too much like squats

[past sphinx]

werent there supposed to be reveals today?

[floral herald]

Tomorrow I think

[soft willow]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s4afynk7/tune-in-to-the-new-year-warhammer-preview-on-friday/

[raven meteor]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/s/huYzoItslc The girls.............................

[wide veldt]

God I need to be passed around like a blunt by sisters of battle

Woah my account got hacked what

[desert jay]

Not really the sort of "blunt" Sisters of Battle are usually familiar with

[wide veldt]

Oh don’t worry there will be plenty of blunt force involved

🥁

[broken vortex]

I'm curious, since I don't have the money to play: How many people have converted broken / damaged Warhammer 40K models into a Deffskullz army? I found this blog post but IDK how recent it is https://www.martinralya.com/my-warhammer-40k-deathskulls-ork-army/

[raven meteor]

I love them so much........
Mostly in a they're cool way but yeah also waow hot tho

[pastel rampart]

Orks is one of, if not the most forgiving army to pick up and play because damn near anything can be converted into an Ork model.

I turned cheap dollar store toys into ork buggies years ago.

[stark cypress]

Da Red Onez go fasta!!!!

[reef pagoda]

< paints iron warriors hazard stripes to relax after painting white with trim misery

[stark cypress]

Trim is horrible

Like, I'll be honest, the extra gribble on models?

No

No

[junior summit]

What on earth happened to the skitarii post-Heresy?

they used to be cool!

[viral crest]

Same thing that happened to everyone else probably

All the cool stuff got blown up or taken away so they couldn't turn traitor

[wide veldt]

Looks at old stats and grips my head like akira

[wide veldt]

OH MY GOD SPACE MARINES

HAVE SO MANY CHAPTERS AND DETATCHMENTS

WHAT THE FUCK

[atomic apex]

I understand the Space Marine hate now after seeing how much stuff they get

[desert jay]

Thirty-Seven Detachments

(Boarding Party stuff doesn't count)

[viral crest]

Yeah

It's genuinely kinda bad, too?

I look at Space Marines and I go "Oh god this is 30 different datasheets of guys with slightly different names, I don't want to spend an hour sorting through this to figure out what units actually do what I want, I'm going to go look at something else"

[sour sequoia]

Their codex is so deep that after 3 rounds of nerfs to different units oopsying into being the best unit in the game at their given role, they still had #1 and #2

And 95% of all lists are still gonna be the same dogshit ultramarines superfriends + bladeguard + double repex

[brittle salmon]

thanks space marine 2

[sour sequoia]

Also we have maybe the most boring ultramarine ever printed now being John Warhammer

My duty type shit

[desert jay]

There was a good chunk of Raven Guard lists for a bit

IDK if there still are

[brittle salmon]

i think shadowtalon got smacked a little then victrix guard came out

so they've not been as present

disgusting unit

[jaunty dawn]

This is just the Sicarian statline

So the answer is gave them power weapons and shit

And then made smaller ones and installed aimbots on everyone

(Dont forget that bs3 is bs4+, so even nerfed skitarii are equal normally and better with doctrinas)

[sour sequoia]

Shadowmark is actually still an S-Tier list because it’s GSC level movement with +1 to wound vanguard vet inferno pistols or lascannon centurions.

Unironically the only reason you don’t see more is because its a list dependent on careful application of firepower and positioning, as opposed to ultramarines usually just pointing at the two biggest units on the table each turn and deleting it then dropping scouts to do actions

[mental birch]

T dropped

[jaunty dawn]

Sicarians are t4

[mental birch]

Oh shit

Haaaa

Whoopz

[jaunty dawn]

Sicarians actually have a better invuln iirc

[mental birch]

Is 5+

Lol

Whooops they dying

[jaunty dawn]

Previously a better feel no pain

[mental birch]

Considering ally8ng skittles into my mech list

[jaunty dawn]

Is there any other units that can be taken in the skit detachment

I think the transports at least

Them being a seperate list makes sense lore wise in the heresy but less so if you wanna try and make an army from one unit and a character lmao

Its okay james just make a heresy onager and we’ll be cool

[mental birch]

Pain train with

Too many skittles

Rip only 16

[vital barn]

he has some nice gear, but man this guy is expensive for the statline he has

claw is sexy though, why can't I put that on a Magos

[junior robin]

just got the worst attempt to do a fake perturabo leak on FB

[desert jay]

Yeah saw that one too

Mind you, it was in a YT vid yelling about it being fake as hell

Didn't even bother centering the big logo at the top

[jaunty dawn]

They mispelled peter turbo too

[desert jay]

Look I'm so used to seeing joke names like "peter turbo" that I don't even know the correct spelling of the official name

I know it starts with 'Pert...' because he's also nicknamed Perty

[sour sequoia]

Fellas it never gets old

20 fucking wolf guard is actually kind of terrifying though idk if I win on re-rack

[thin ibex]

wolf guard are actually so good lol

im just mad that they can only get led by epic heroes, or 1 termie captain

tho both those heroes are kinda beastly

im old fashioned in that i like bringing them with storm bolters, but i imagine shields is hte more optimal way

[sour sequoia]

The shields rip. The fast deepstrike from logan and the advance and charge from wolf gladius whatsit is honestly plenty to deliver em

SW has plenty powerful shooting without any termie guns I think you want the fratboy terminators moshing so headtakers and wulfen can be your cruise missiles

[thin ibex]

i was also thinking about arjac leading, logan solo, fast drop arjac and a 10 brick with shields in

theres no way to ignore them

though logan's aura of more expensive strats is real good too

[remote wharf]

Even if it was actual art instead of slop, it be an okay mini for 4th edition. No way that they'd make a demon primarch just a-pose with his weapons now.

[thin ibex]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/GN1i5

Concept list

[sour sequoia]

I think if I hadn’t nuked Logan’s unit R2 I was out of the game with how dependent Final Day is on perfectly placed strats

This shit was absurd trying to survive, I think a heroic intervention happened every single turn of the game

[thin ibex]

I admit my biggest weakness as a player is not knowing how to use heroic intervention

I blame the fact that I've mained tau for years

and as i understand heroic int is like, bread and butter for melee centric armies

[sour sequoia]

Heroics and Interrupts are your bnb yeah

[thin ibex]

goes to show ive not really played against a melee list at a comp level lol, most times when i play it, its interrupts and just getting off my charges, same with my opponent; heroic interventions are largely absent

which is probably a sign of our lack of developed skill in like spacing and movement

[sour sequoia]

Heroics get tricky, because a heroic + an interrupt is 3CP and also a not-guaranteed strike so a lot of times people will just make their first activation ganking the hell out of the heroic’d unit

But getting fight-first, or a free heroic? You start getting really powerful and kinda deceptive trading games

You want anvil units like terminators or two hammers backing each other

Anybody who’s ever been hit by like, howling banshees heroic -> fights first Disappears Your Terminators or a Lictor popping out and just tearing apart their big buff character will tell you how powerful heroic is

Or on Tau! Kroot Rampager secondary line to heroic anybody charging your suits will make people The Big Mad. “Congrats on reaching me! Take 6d3 mortals you fool you imbecile you goddamn clown”

[dense sedge]

ooh, nwe corsairs

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre like everyone love lotarra lets do lotarra twooooo

I mean it makes sense for ancillary characters to balance out the space marine withered sausagefest

[vital barn]

I do like Lotaria Tworin's model, might turn her into one of my many Magi

[jaunty dawn]

LIZARDMAN

Votann weapon equipped lizardman woman

And she has a pet dog

Huron is so evil he hangs out with women

From diverse backgrounds

[vital barn]

I hope Admech gets one of these character packs at some point, a whole cast of lesser magi would suit their deal

[jaunty dawn]

Watch out!

not like our glorious captain titus and his cohort of ultramar born and bred

[runic swallow]

Wouldn’t a new Lotara model just be Antron’s flagship?

[vital barn]

Titus also hangs out with women, we know this

dangerous fraternisation

[runic swallow]

Since she basically melded with it iirc

[jaunty dawn]

Smoke gronade

[vital barn]

these raiders will make great HH blackshields

[jaunty dawn]

Raiders do look coo

[runic swallow]

Or is this a different Lotara

[jaunty dawn]

Its not lotara its jus a woman who has the same job for huron

[vital barn]

they copy-pasted the character archetype and gave Huron Blackheart's flagship a woman captain who hangs out with his command squad

[mental birch]

Oooh new chaos termie

[dense sedge]

corsairs got their own termies before world eaters did

[jaunty dawn]

I think thats the existing terminator kit

With upgrades maybe

[vital barn]

not so interested in the legionnaires proper but the raiders look great

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah theres raiders and also a pack for legionaries

That also works on terminators

[vital barn]

interested to see if there's anything for HH other than the Glaive superheavy we know is coming

[dense sedge]

ooh neat, traitor guard

[jaunty dawn]

I think that might also just be the kill team

This guy is new though

[jaunty dawn]

Built without the specialists

This is corsairs getting a generic chaos lord before world eaters though right?

World eaters only have lord on jugg?

[dense sedge]

think so

[vital barn]

Yriel's spear looks pretty lame

[jaunty dawn]

Imagine if they went full codex eye of terror and made wulfen xP

[vital barn]

but nice eldar models

[jaunty dawn]

Baby plane is cool

[vital barn]

just finished Valedor this morning so I am a corsair fan for the next ten minutes

(I am told this is one of about three good Eldar books)

[jaunty dawn]

Too cool for school swooping hawks

Variety in kabalite and regular eldar armour

Kill team here again

With parts compatibility between it and new kits

[dense sedge]

looks like the mask used by dream in sandman

[vital barn]

eldar who really wants to be a bug

[jaunty dawn]

Fucked up and weird eldar

[vital barn]

look at that helmet

why is this guy a unique character, he should just be a generic

[jaunty dawn]

Pretty shield

[vital barn]

decent Yriel but I would expect him to have a cooler spear

[jaunty dawn]

Mm

[vital barn]

the spear gets so much narrative focus and it's just Generic Eldar Power Weapon here

[jaunty dawn]

Isnt it a cronesword?

[vital barn]

I believe so but I haven't really followed the Ynnari plotline because apparently their books were shit

[jaunty dawn]

The starfang is pretty cool

Oh its pretty bug

[vital barn]

yeah I like Venom 2

[jaunty dawn]

Mhm

Does it have a rear gunner

Vyper

[vital barn]

never mind it's Vyper 2

I appreciate the dual kit here

rare practical move from GW

[jaunty dawn]

Starfang is an eldar snowspeeder

I wonder how rear turret works in 40k

I assume no rules at all given their thing is shooting smokes at people

But it would be interesting to make a rule abt it

[vital barn]

Eldar vs CSM is a nice campaign setup, looking forward to seeing how that goes

[jaunty dawn]

It really is actually

[junior robin]

nice, canon Barghesi model.

[jaunty dawn]

This is reminding me that if crusade was easier to like

Pug

Its the like already existing extra customisation version of 40k ppl want

[dense sedge]

pug?

[vital barn]

the Admech crusade stuff gives them jack and shit so I beg to differ in that department

[jaunty dawn]

Pick up game

[dense sedge]

I had a crusade early last year but it pettered out despite a dozen people involved

had a ton of fun

[jaunty dawn]

The hell I can

[vital barn]

oh good, the one AOS faction I've played has actual ranged units now

[jaunty dawn]

The sad thing is I dont think you can even watch the video theyre referencing 🥲

[pale narwhal]

Chaos got a tarellian before tau did 😭

it's a sick model though

[jaunty dawn]

I think it makes taurellians more likely to happen

Now that the existing auxiliaries are updated

Little bone eagle

[dense sedge]

did they just call that a pokemon?

[jaunty dawn]

Why have eyelids when you can just have monocular vision

Reapers are cool and new and different

Aesthetic

[vital barn]

the sculptors figured out how to do a smoke grenade and immediately put it on everyone, I see

[jaunty dawn]

Theyre kinda a replay of mandrakes

[floral herald]

Oh shit I forgot about the stream lol

[jaunty dawn]

Liege kavalos

Cooler liege kavalos

[dense sedge]

so nurgle got all these new toys and tzeentch gets just the usual token hero?

[junior robin]

perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[jaunty dawn]

Big rocks

[junior robin]

wonder if they would be too big to replace the chainsword on a knight 🤔

[jaunty dawn]

Probably about right

Andy cultofpaint gonna go crazy on these elves

[sour sequoia]

Welcome to games workshop, if your aesthetic is frolicking in the porta potty you get ten thousand refreshes lmao

To be fair like 90% of AoS 4th edition has been “all your rules are worse have a mundane foot hero”

This one’s at least a wizard so it does something

[floral herald]

Ion wanna watch a video at work dang it

[junior robin]

ngl, really hoping for a SoB vs Orks video game there

[jaunty dawn]

Snakebite anti air

Big catapult

[vital barn]

squig with really high jump

[past sphinx]

Oh my God

I love him

[jaunty dawn]

Her

[past sphinx]

Her

[jaunty dawn]

Lizardlady

[vital barn]

ah, here's the custodes refresh everyone expected

[jaunty dawn]

Custodes plasteek

[past sphinx]

Genuinely peak csm

[jaunty dawn]

Thats a lot of plastic

[vital barn]

looks like everything they already had minus the superheavy, the bikes and the termies

[junior robin]

nice

[sour sequoia]

Put the helmets back on yall ugly as shit lmaooooo

[jaunty dawn]

They learned how to stand up straight

[vital barn]

I do like their look here

they look less like dwarves

maybe they'll fix their stupid rules and give them an actual scoring unit with this release

[jaunty dawn]

Can you imagine if next edition they dont let custodes use heresy stuff and also keep selling the old guard

[vital barn]

guy on the left clearly has a bendy spear

[jaunty dawn]

Lady custodes minis is cool

[sour sequoia]

I actually take this back

These guys look fantastic

Hello butch warrior saint

Gonna be normal

[vital barn]

yeah, this isn't quite enough to make me actually play them but I might get a box to run with the beep boops

they are actually non-bullshit in 30k

[jaunty dawn]

Old lady warrior saint

I love her

[vital barn]

the announcers are Lying here, a shield-captain gets handily rinsed by a tech-assassin or first captain

but it is a very nice model

[jaunty dawn]

Were custodes contemptors always this different or did they make them more different

[vital barn]

they were always like this, they were just resin

[sour sequoia]

Those are telemons

Those. Are not contenptors

[vital barn]

these are the fancy contemptors, telemons are fucking huge

telemons are the Sat dread's resin cousin

[sour sequoia]

They are like just shy of Saturnines and there’s more primarchs than telemons

Fucking menaces

[vital barn]

I believe I have personally killed more telemons than actually exist

[sour sequoia]

Same actually

Dies to power tools good

[vital barn]

anyway these are gorgeous, big fan of these models and the slightly darker gold scheme

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah the design hasnt changed but it does seem a bit more distinct than the plastic contemptor was

Proportions

[vital barn]

they're a fairly direct remake of the resin custodes dreads

nothing new there other than better pose options

same for the tanks

[jaunty dawn]

I mean the rope decoration thing is new

[floral herald]

This one of Huron’s buddies?

[past sphinx]

Yeah

[jaunty dawn]

Huron’s enforcer

[past sphinx]

And because I have not read any of the lore nor will II can only assume it's his lizard wife

[vital barn]

Venatari who don't look awful

[past sphinx]

They love the each other very much

[floral herald]

CSMchads we stay winning

[floral herald]

They both have weird dogs

[past sphinx]

I can only believe they met each other at the dog park the evil space dog park

[vital barn]

new custodes book as expected

honestly these guys are well above what I was thinking they'd do, very pretty

[jaunty dawn]

Sisters of silence mentioned

Pff

[vital barn]

now Custodes can join Mechanicum in complaining that their heresy models are way better

[jaunty dawn]

I mean I joked about it but I genuinely cant see a universe where they keep the 40k range just to have a different range

That feels too silly even for current gw

Like I think custodes being yeeted out of 40k is more likely

[vital barn]

ah, there we go, they didn't annihilate 40k custodes by removing their resin stuff

and here's the Marine equal attention cake

I do like a glaive

[jaunty dawn]

Burning of prospero is 10 years old this year

[raven meteor]

Custodes refresh? Does anyone have pics?

[jaunty dawn]

Should be on warcom imminently

Funky whirlwind

[past sphinx]

Thats like a total scale refresh fuck me

[raven meteor]

Eyyyy
(What's warcom)

[main pagoda]

warhammer community

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ssts1hyy/the-new-year-warhammer-preview-live-2026-see-all-of-the-reveals/

[jaunty dawn]

Kinda sad to not get the deimos missile launcher

Or wait does it have both?

apparently legions imperialis got both

[pastel rampart]

It's so funny that Custodes got a refresh before GK.

[main pagoda]

fuck

beat me to it

[jaunty dawn]

Gw saw “capitalism can subsume any criticism into itself” and took it as a pr policy

And it works and its funny haha

[past sphinx]

Also I see feminine heads on those stodes

[jaunty dawn]

“Sisters of silence?” “Yeah they have rules lol have fun”

[rocky shale]

How many points would this be in 40k

[tired cairn]

A rules update for the Adeptus Custodes is set for later this year.

It would be funny if they meant the 11e Codex for them

[past sphinx]

1750ish?

1500

[vital barn]

if you can make spear boys out of both those kits I might dabble in golden lads

but I dislike having one squad of spears and one squad of shields

[pastel rampart]

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/carousel-1a-gumewx6gsa.png

lol out-emohair-ing the RG.

[jaunty dawn]

Im raiding ere

[main pagoda]

PERTY

[vital barn]

I would imagine that's Perty vs Agripinaa

[jaunty dawn]

Ooh a little mark ii thigh

[vital barn]

rip another major forge world

[jaunty dawn]

Why the dead cadian symbol

[tired cairn]

Good thing they have a lot because they seem to go through them pretty fast

[remote wharf]

RIP the to the original Vyper Jetbike, I'm sure someone will miss you\

[junior robin]

cadia: a planet soo good chaos killed it twice

[cinder wraith]

IRON WARRIORS

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-iron-warrior-you-have-alerted-iron-warriors-warhammer-40k-gif-14639048856451701115

[vital barn]

Agripinaa somehow survived the fact there was a viewpoint book for the CSM invading it so it may live

but I would be unsurprised if we take another major L here

[past sphinx]

Really unsure with these stones but I think they'll grow on me I enjoy how weird they look

[tired cairn]

After long enough, it would be a good bit if they keep making new Cadias and the Black Legion keeps crashing irreplaceable star fortresses into them

[tired cairn]

Oh wow. They might have to survive because they are important enough to have gotten detachments in the past lol

[vital barn]

so was Metallica and they got chumped in a whole campaign book

two, in fact

[jaunty dawn]

Very subtle

[vital barn]

still, I'm happy for the Iron Warriors

[tired cairn]

Oh, womp

[vital barn]

I've been interested in what Perty looks like for a while

[vital barn]

they still exist, but all their named characters in the book did nothing and then died before the space marines and SoB could bail them out

average Admech defensive performance

[rocky shale]

I have it at about 950 depending on the options you use it ass

[jaunty dawn]

Oh the broken cadia because its the eye of terror

[past sphinx]

D*** I was Thinking the tank was at a higher premium as well as the dread

[jaunty dawn]

13th company

[vital barn]

the basic Custodian Guard now look nice enough for me to consider getting a box

[tired cairn]

Do the AdMech have the worst record for jobbing? They usually lose to Tyranids right (often because they are dumb and are keeping a hatchery of them is some other terrible idea)

[vital barn]

unfortunately they aren't Imp Agents in 40k

they actually do OK against Nids, they lost one major forge world to them but that's about it

I think Eldar job the worst, then Admech

but it's close

Admech only show up in 95% of books because they need to show off a big cool thing for the bad guys to immediately explode, so they have a ton of appearances where they do nothing but die and be annoying

[tired cairn]

I guess Eldar are fated to it

[vital barn]

whereas Eldar tend to only show up when Eldar things are important

like, if it was just "space marines shot some skitarii" it wouldn't be a pain, that's Eye of Medusa and Eye of Medusa is a great book

it's that they constantly job and lose major assets in a way that would get any other faction laughed out of the room because Space Marines don't have their own titans and usually aren't defending their own ground

[broken dew]

😔

[rocky shale]

The new vyper design is so cool

[past sphinx]

makes me realize how old looking the sculpts are now

[pale narwhal]

no sisters of silence mentioned, guess they're getting mostly phased out

[vital barn]

Well, they're ten years old, a lot of things are ten years old

They just came out right before Primaris so they have proportions scaled to old marines for extra jank

They're significantly younger than Skitarii, who still look great

[past sphinx]

counter point, sisters are now properly in scale with these kits

[wide veldt]

Oh they look like a fucking nightmare

To paint

I don’t really think they can actually phase out the sisters

But IIRC the sisters of silence don’t exist in HH which is the line these models are ostensibly for

[past sphinx]

sisters are fucking awful to work on

terrible to build

[vital barn]

Not only do they exist, they had a big army list three times the size of the 40k one in both previous editions

They gutted them going into 3.0 to confirm with the 40k kit and it looks like it's staying that way

One squad + one HQ and their 30k unique transport

[wide veldt]

I actually meant the custodes lmao

[vital barn]

Admittedly those would be perfectly playable if their melee weapons weren't essentially stock power swords

[wide veldt]

Those basic guys have a tone of rebels

…

Ton of greebles

[past sphinx]

put them in the gold speed paint

accent in silver

done

[vital barn]

They're huge and 99% of the model looks fine with gold base + wash + drybrush

I think they'll be fine

Pick out rope + a few gems + blade

[past sphinx]

also

maybe 2026 is the real year of chaos

and 2025 was the friends we made along the way

[desert jay]

It's okay, you only have to paint like 30 guys total

[wide veldt]

True

[desert jay]

But also yes "dip/airbrush them in metallic gold" is a cheat for Custodes

Though my condolences to any NMM painters