Warhammer and Such

[broken dew]

big W

[vital barn]

the Dark Wolves are Khornate heresy-era splinters from the SW Legion, too

great Shattered Legions fodder

30k has shattered legions rules that actually work as of today

they look quite interesting

all their newer releases have been top tier

[charred bridge]

Imagine if russ came back and found like less than 500 of his boys still alive and these new primaris straight laced guys are doing much better

[tired cairn]

Noted. My list is unfortunately model limited and I'm meh on Norns so they are low on my to get list. Haruspexes are cool, but they compete with Exocrines magnetized model wise and the latter are really good

[meager quail]

Back during the Horus Heresy they were very much the Emperor’s attack dogs, iirc

[charred bridge]

Used to the emp's giving them stuff and when they didn't have that they forgor bolter rounds

[vital barn]

yeah, the 40k Wolves are very different

Russ might be cool with them but most of his legion wouldn't like them much

[meager quail]

Like, to a greater degree than other marines, they were doing death squads

[charred bridge]

Me to my dog: you are so spoiled you could survive in the wild now.
Me to space wolves: you too

[vital barn]

HH Wolves are kind of cool, honestly

it's only Russ I think is a D tier character

"Wolves that told Russ to go fuck himself in Wolfsbane and went back to Terra to die there" would be a fairly interesting army IMO

[floral herald]

I mean, a lot of legions were

[meager quail]

Yeah but the Emperor sent them to go do stuff like murder other astartes

[vital barn]

yeah, they are especially psycho and they have a real god complex over this

[meager quail]

They were tapped to do the nasty shit

[vital barn]

basically the whole heresy is them getting their shit kicked in because they refuse to accept they aren't better than every other legion at fighting legions

they took grievous losses at Prospero, the AL wreck them in a void fight until they're bailed out by Luther's DAs, the World Eaters kicked their teeth in at the Night of the Wolf and then the Sons of Horus wreck them at Trisolian and they have to go hide in a cave until Corax comes to bail them out, end of participation in the Heresy

basically the only thing they can do is deliver Russ to Primarch fights, which he does OK in

[meager quail]

Turns out being the Emperor’s assassin squads does not make you great soldiers?

[vital barn]

Russ eventually accepts that being the Hard Man Who Makes Hard Decisions is a shit thing to base your fundamental identity on and that it led him to make stupid over-aggressive decisions all the time, puts Bjorn in charge and leaves

honestly, decent arc, although he had a whole novella where he learned that during Allaxes when they were getting owned by the AL and then proceeded to make the same mistake yet again in Wolfsbane

so slightly hindered by Heresy's multiple author syndrome

[meager quail]

I dunno, I like complicated emotionally charged stories about people who are extremely powerful. I’m a Zelazny fan. So Primaris drama appeals to me

[vital barn]

I think it's a really solid character arc for Russ, but he does it three or four times in quick succession because it's his lesson in every HH space wolf book

so he comes out of it as an idiot who can't learn anything for longer than two seconds and insists on getting his sons killed for pride over and over

[floral herald]

Who winds up looking the best in legion-on-legion fights anyway?

[vital barn]

the Wolves as a legion are kind of reverse Iron Hands, they start out incredibly arrogant and overly aggro and then get humbled several times because you simply can't facecheck the World Eaters and expect to win just because you're a baller

[floral herald]

I suspect it’s kinda not one

[vital barn]

whereas the IH get wrecked immediately and then become bitter violence boys because of that

[vital barn]

I don't think there's a clear winner

the 1kSons are utter terrors for the one battle they were a real legion in

but a lot of them get spawnified in the process of unleashing that much warp bullshit so it's hard to say "1ksons top the charts if they stay around all heresy" because their main downside is not staying around

same with Iron Hands, they're mean bastards but they refuse to retreat so they all get murdered a lot

I think AL might be a sleeper hit, they don't have any "oh my god the AL did so much damage" battles other than Alaxxes but they have a lot of fights where they show up, achieve their (usually contradictory) objectives and then immediately fuck off again

they're probably the best at staying on mission and providing useful support to their allies, whoever their allies are and whatever their mission is

Perty and Dorn are good at facechecking and good at staying on task but Iron Warriors are not exactly masters of teamwork

re: the Iron Warriors shelling the Word Bearers as well as the enemy at the Dropsite Massacre

[floral herald]

That adds up for me

[vital barn]

Alasxes is a very strange fight because the wolves are getting utterly rinsed until the DA materialize out of nowhere on top of them with a Ramillles Star Fortress, which feels like cheating

they didn't warp in, they somehow snuck up on an entire fleet with a basically stationary doomfort

[tired cairn]

Alpha Legions true power: making attainable and realistic goals while avoiding scope creep

[vital barn]

average DA appearance in the heresy honestly, they show up in about fifteen different battles to deus ex machina an ending

usually by WMDing the battlefield and then leaving

[vital barn]

Alpharius actually dies the one time he doesn't do this, so this makes sense

the battle of pluto would have gone quite well for the XX if Alphy had just left rather than staying to fight Dorn, or even just fought Dorn rather than trying to talk him down

classic Sidereal limit break hubris moment

otherwise, they provide good intel before Istvaan, they fuck up the Raven Guard raptor program, loyalist? elements delay the Scars so that they hear the news that allows them to join the loyalist forces rather than the traitors, they take the SW apart in a naval battle, they do a lot of good infiltration and they get one over on the Cabal before the slightly odd "join chaos to destroy humanity to destroy chaos" moment which felt like it wasn't the best written

not a bad record

oh yeah, and they win Paramar, which is an interesting side battle

loyalist IW and mech vs traitor AL and mech

on the losses side they have Pluto, Mezoa, the last five minutes of Alaxxes after the DA show up and a few smaller skirmishes

I think some of them get beaten at spygames by a Vanus Assassin on Tallarn too

in general "who is the killiest legion" is slightly hard to determine because the observed winrate of heresy stories is something like 65:35 loyalist:traitor, and even the traitor wins tend to be pyrrhic because almost all the books are from the Loyalist perspective and tend to be noble last stands

if you take all the listed losses together, the Loyalists even achieve a positive KDR during the Dropsite Massacre, forget about everywhere else

[upper canopy]

grabbing onto my legs with a death grip to ensure I don't complain about the HH

[thin ibex]

jokes on everyone, kiliest legion is ultra because they persist into 40k and are most marines apparently

[floral herald]

They’re practically sir not appearing in this film tbf

[thin ibex]

lol

[desert jay]

Isn't that literal? That Guilliman's fleet was tied up somewhere?

[upper canopy]

He was in Ultramar

for like most of the Heresy

[floral herald]

My vague recollection is basically that the Ultras got owned on Calth, fucked up the night lords near Ultramar, thought long and hard about going “fuck it, Imperium 2” and then showed up too late to the party

[broken dew]

the imperium 2 thing was with Lion and Sanguinius wasn't it?

[upper canopy]

yes

[broken dew]

Imperium Secundus or whatever

[upper canopy]

Wait

[thin ibex]

there WERE also hella warp storms blocking a lot of inbound travel

[upper canopy]

how the fuck did Sanguinius get to Terra while being part of the Imperium Secundus

[thin ibex]

He left early

Trusted in his main character powers

[broken dew]

future visions presumably

[thin ibex]

i believe sangy boy was also emperor of imperium 2

[broken dew]

yeah

[floral herald]

The others didn’t think long and hard about it

[broken dew]

Lion got ousted for trying to nuke one of Guillimans places to try to get Kurze

[desert jay]

Guilliman and Lion both voting for Sangy because they worry if Sangy doesn't get it then Lion/Guilliman will

[thin ibex]

heresy era lion is a solve problems with a hammer kind of guy; modern lion has severely mellowed out and remembered how to hunt

[vital barn]

there's a whole book about Lion + Sangy + Gulliman finally getting their shit together and sailing through all the warp storms while fighting daemons (literal) and fighting demons (figurative)

eventually only Sangy makes it, the other two go off to run interference or something, can't really remember

wasn't a very good book

[broken dew]

Sanguinius is simply built different

[vital barn]

the scouring book features Gulliman making Some Real Decisions

admittedly neither Mars nor Luna will support Crusade 2 Crusade Harder without their worlds being liberated first and even all the Primarchs sans Guilliman can't bulldoze over that, this is the point where the High Lords become a real power

[broken dew]

gonna need to spend the whole day 3d printing bits for this contemptor tomorrow if i want to get some decent headway i think, prolly gonna need t prototype a bit more as well but we'll see

[pastel rampart]

Still trying to figure out my printer. Not had the best results so far.

[broken dew]

scaled up the mini lad 200% to make a bigger lad and modified the whole guy to have actual joints and shit so we'll see how well that ends up going

spent a bunch of time today and yesterday modifying bits

it's hardly going to be the greatest thing ever and i'll likely need to do more prototype shit but i'm having fun with it so you know

that's perfectly fine

gonna take days to print the whole thing so i'm doing it in bits and see how things work

[pastel rampart]

Helps get some printing experience under your belt too.

[broken dew]

mhm

i do have a fair bit from working on other stuff

mainly my Doll

she took a few tweaks and tests to really get looking nice

200% size fist turned out great though so i think on the whole he'll turn out good

[dense idol]

so i've been rotating Oath Of Moment inside my head a lot lately

[broken dew]

yeah?

[dense idol]

but i still don't entirely understand how attack resolution actually works

i just don't understand what "each multiple of the toughness" is supposed to mean

[desert jay]

Divide the sum of the successful attack dice by toughness, discard the remainder

[dense idol]

ooooooh okay

[desert jay]

So if you're shooting with 3d6 at 2+ thickness 3 toughness and roll a 1, 5, 6, you have 5+6 = 11 and that turns into 3 wounds

[jaunty dawn]

Im not sure thats right

Cause that would mean the instant death rules dont make sense

Like you dont do 1 wound instead of doing 2 wounds

[desert jay]

Wait shit you're probably right

[jaunty dawn]

So its like

4d6 vs 2+, roll 1,2,3,4; thats three hits. Hits divided by toughness is one wound

[desert jay]

Oh wait okay, yeah that sounds right

[pale narwhal]

Double thickness = autowound

Anything that’s not double is a hit, and you divide hits by toughness to get wounds caused

[desert jay]

Except for the autowound on the 4, so it's 2 hits and 1 autowound

[jaunty dawn]

Oh ye

[dense idol]

okay i think i see now

[jaunty dawn]

Its doube thickness not toughness

[dense idol]

so let's say that i blast a swarm of gaunts with my assault cannon whilst screaming something about the emperor's glory

that's 8d8, and i roll 1 through to 8 on each

gaunts are thickness 2+ and toughness 1, so 1 fails to hit, 2 and 3 score hits, 4 and 5 score wounds, 6 and 7 and 8 score instant death

so six die in total

[broken dew]

i think i get it now

[desert jay]

We did it!

[jaunty dawn]

Which makes a d8 kinda overkill yeah

Still less chance of rolling a 1 though

[desert jay]

Well they are gaunts...

[jaunty dawn]

Mhm

[broken dew]

so for this example you hit with the 2,3 and 4 cause it's 2+ to hit, which is 3 hits, divided by 3 toughness makes one wound

[desert jay]

If you're shooting that same 8d8 roll at warriors (thickness 4+ and toughness 3), 1-3 fail to hit, 4-7 are hits, and 8 is an autowound. The four hits turn into one wound, for two wounds total, which kill one warrior

[pastel rampart]

I do wish it had an example of play to bounce off of.

[broken dew]

it would be nice to have examples in the doc

[dense idol]

agreed

[broken dew]

having it explained through an actual example immediately made it make sense

knowing how it works, the wording is good

but an example wouldn't hurt

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. I'm a big proponent of that included in basically any RPG or wargame.

[broken dew]

it's just easier to understand

[jaunty dawn]

Styles of learning type thing

[strong owl]

im genuinely garbage at writing examples of play

my games do not have them because when i add them less people understand

[broken dew]

huh

i suppose it's fair enough to not include if the pattern holds that it would be detrimental to comprehension

[desert jay]

Oh huh, Hazardous 2d12 is pretty safe. 1/144 chance of exploding on first attack of a turn, 4/144 (1/36) on the second attack

[broken dew]

huh

that isn't bad

[pastel rampart]

Huh. Putting painter's tape down on the print bed is so far working.

Who'da thunk!

[broken dew]

great success

[thin ibex]

Is there somewhere one can look at oath of moment?

[desert jay]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14rZ_MxkbggZ2wVmERroTQOkD9awnq5wvZjwmqmsPwBE/edit?tab=t.0

Like this google doc?

[broken dew]

google docs

[thin ibex]

Awesome, thank you

[desert jay]

(You can also download a google doc as a PDF or other text format)

[broken dew]

i should go in and write everything down for my lad that i wanted to do

[thin ibex]

Is it a wip rpg or just a community available project?

[pastel rampart]

It's silly how well this is working.

[broken dew]

if it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid

[pastel rampart]

Yeah lol

A bit odd that it doesn't like to stick to the bed tho. I did clean it with degreaser and wiped down with 91% IPA so it was working on a clean slate but it just didn't want to adhere until I put the tape down.

[broken dew]

might try some adhesive spray

my dad used to use some on his one cause things didn't want to stick to the bed

you can get some specifically for it

[pastel rampart]

I've heard glue sticks also work which seems a much more cost-effective measure.

Well. It would be but to my shock and awe Dollar Tree didn't have any glue sticks.

[broken dew]

yup

glue sticks work

hense the used to

[pastel rampart]

I worry about spray adhesive because I have the worst luck with that shit, it always ends up everywhere despite my best efforts.

[broken dew]

mhm

i'd definitely give glue sticks a try

[tired cairn]

What is your print bed made out of?

Glue or tape were pretty common solutions before fancier print bed material

[pastel rampart]

It's an Elegoo Neptune 3 Pro, the bed is magnetic and removable. Has a texture on top.

So it's like...2-ish years old?

[broken dew]

1.5 more hours until i've got my power fist

[tired cairn]

Huh, that's surprising if it's also coated in something (which I would assume so if it is textured)

[pastel rampart]

Yeah it's a bit hard to describe but it's similar to spray texture--very small bumps.

But I think the top coating is what's keeping it from adhering properly.

[tired cairn]

Well, normally the PEI coating is to make it stick better

(which it looks like is what it comes with standard, at least for models sold now)

[pastel rampart]

I don't know if that's what's coating it, but it sure didn't work for anything but a couple 25mm bases.

It just wouldn't adhere and would slide about and fail to print, though quickly enough to where I could stop it and not waste a bunch of filament.

[tired cairn]

Hmm, are you able to adjust the nozzle height? Poor bed adhesion could be an issue of the nozzle being slightly too far away from the print bed during the first layer, and maybe part of the reason the tape works is that it decreases that distance

[broken dew]

doing an alignment test certainly couldn't hurt

[tired cairn]

It might also be called z-offset

[broken dew]

yup

[pastel rampart]

Yeah I can adjust nozzle height, I've been trying to balance the leveling on it since yesterday and it's the same result every time. Well, until the painter's tape anyway.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1431006650239549490/20251023_154817.png?ex=68fbd84c&is=68fa86cc&hm=bd813c677425ce6c02a46054d3d61d9077bb9517d88173e88945a2f006bed4be&

Which worked out flawlessly!

[broken dew]

nice

[pastel rampart]

Downside: this thing is loud as fuck in my bedroom and Fiona doesn't like it being in here and won't come in, poor girl :<

[broken dew]

😔

yeah there is a reason the printer in my house is in the basement

[pastel rampart]

I want to put it in the basement but I need to either find an end table to put down there or clear out some stuff so as to have a level surface.

[broken dew]

mhm

[broken dew]

almost power fist time

[untold swallow]

How are Hits 4, 5, 6, and 7 only a single wound?

[desert jay]

Toughness 3 means each normal hit is 1/3 of a wound

[untold swallow]

Oh god we gotta calculate wound fractions?

[desert jay]

Yeah but in almost all cases you're either dividing by small numbers (1-3) or it's tough enough you're just checking if you cross the threshold for a single wound or not

No PC weapon has more than 8 dice, and those that do have 8 dice are either
A) Missile launcher's 8d4 profile (not gonna get hits on tough targets)
B) Termie weapons (fairly specialized)
C) Dreadnought/vehicle mounted (also specialized)

[broken dew]

yay, the power fist is printed

[wintry mist]

where is this gif from

[floral herald]

Artist is Dorotero, it’s not part of a wider thing, they also do a lot of nsfw work

[wintry mist]

ic ic

[broken dew]

one power claw complete

[past sphinx]

Small conversion for coyote priest in termie plate

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591429239211950081/1431047358052831333/20251023_183001.jpg?ex=68fbfe35&is=68faacb5&hm=67ed289219a4a17b843fb8ecaf7f1bf60beab1bd47ed59559507f082fd5e3fc6&

2-ish hour print came out flawless.

[jaunty dawn]

Movement trays?

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, friend asked if they could have some 20mm > 25mm conversion trays and I figured it'd be a good test.

Gonna try printing a rhino for myself and I'm staring down the barrel of a 20-hour print ahaha--

10 hours if I set it to 0.5 for the top layer, 14 at 0.42, I want this looking purdy so I'm going 0.2.

[untold swallow]

I have heard 1 (one) narrated fan story of the Mantis Warriors defending their homeworld from the Carcharadons, and am now a Mantis Warriors fan

Also man I wish them being Zoroastrian was canon and not an invention of the fan story

[past sphinx]

the persian religion?

[untold swallow]

Indeed

The audio has them refer to Big E as the Ahura Mazda

[past sphinx]

pretty sure its only passed down through birth

[untold swallow]

The main character, a Librarian, divines his squad and Chapter's fate in an eternal flame

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjLGLgIMgrw&t=1s

[untold swallow]

While I see the point I think ur gesturing at I don't think it's necessarily disrespectful to represent the religion as being adopted by members of a holy order

And conversion to Zoroastrianism is a thing

It's just quite rare

[broken dew]

got a few parts done

gonna start doing the shoulders when i wake up tomorrow and maybe do the torso

prolly gonna fix up the pointing and closed hands to be functional with this as well

[past sphinx]

holy order is doing a lotta lifting there when the tenants of being "holy" in the imperium are uhhhh specific and murdery

[broken dew]

how much xenophobia can you fit in your body

[past sphinx]

BROTHER WE MUST TURN TO THE TANAKH AND REMEMBER THE TRIBULATIONS OF DANIEL AND HIS TEMPTATIONS WITH BATHSHEBA bolters a slannesh demon

[broken dew]

it's like the Marines Malevolent are always saying

Hate is the surest weapon

[untold swallow]

All religion in 40k is bent to the ends of the fascist hellstate, I am not going to bat for the Imperium

[untold swallow]

My dude that sounds like extremely normal space marine stuff to me lol

[pastel rampart]

Hm. One slight issue with the tray: it's ever so slightly curved on one of the long sides.

[jaunty dawn]

Nooooo!!!!!

[pastel rampart]

Yeah lol

[broken dew]

really liking how this power fist came out, def gonna fix up the alt hands for it tomorrow

[pastel rampart]

One of the painter's tapes on the plate at the time was from when I was printing a 5x1 tray. I left it on cuz hey, seemed fine. I think that's the one that was touching the edge there so I just gotta replace the tape frequently.

I think I can just heat up the bottom of that tray with a heat gun or blow dryer and press it down onto something flat to even it out.

[broken dew]

the elbow seems to be working pretty perfectly which is good

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah.

[broken dew]

the head and neck seem good

[pastel rampart]

A funny dread idea would be a switch in the back so you could press down for some rock'em sock'em punching action.

[broken dew]

although all the tolerances are not exactly good so i've had to sand all the bits down to fit

but that's expected

[fossil violet]

After very carefully weighing the cons (Greebly, lots of guys, challenging to transport) with the pros (look cool) I’ve decided I’m starting an admech army

[jaunty dawn]

Magnets

[broken dew]

I'm really hoping the rest of the parts turn out as nice as these cause it'll gonna look real great if they do

[jaunty dawn]

Its me the magnet proselytiser

[fossil violet]

I do have magnets in my supply list

[broken dew]

We'll see how well the rest of my ad-hoc customizations to this dread model hold up but i am optimistic

[pale narwhal]

be prepared to get frustrated as mechadendrites and fiddly bits snap

I've been careful with my I'm handling my battleclade and they've taken some damage regardless

[untold swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy2dope-insane-clown-posse-miracles-magnets-gif-22344619

[desert jay]

@vital barn

[vital barn]

I was recommended the textbook I'm currently working my way through by that article's author

small world

it's Dan Davies, the guy who wrote the excellent book on fraud

[desert jay]

Oh nice

[vital barn]

the best part is that the "please send quibbles about 40k lore to someone who cares" footnote redirects that last to one particular FT editor's email

[crisp lance]

https://youtu.be/erWSssFxJMU

so you can be a battle sister now in boltgun 2

[mental birch]

viking funeral for your wallet

[fossil violet]

Yeah I did the math on the list I wanna make and 😬

[tranquil ivy]

chat, if I get a war dog/knight armiger, should I paint it in chaos/knight house colors or should it share the Dusk Wyrm's colors?

i want it to be ruled as a machine spirit with an endless rage, so the Dusk Wyrms throw it into a battlefield to stir up carnage

[desert jay]

Dusk Wyrm?

[tranquil ivy]

A homebrew chapter I created of Renegades that lost themselves to chaos in an attempt to overcome their curse (hunger for raw flesh)

they use Necromancy a lot and have dragon mutations :shrug:

they use Space Marine rules and minis but are chaos in-lore

hence the Armiger Wardog

since Knights can be allied units :>

[desert jay]

Oh nice, I see

[tranquil ivy]

Mhm

I went all in on the "do whatever the hell i want lmao" part

especially since after trying to make them loyalist for so long I eventually just said "screw it they're chaos now"

[pale narwhal]

love the not-bladeguard with thunder hammers

[desert jay]

Hmm, if there's no pilot left and is now just ruled by a machine spirit (or has gone daemon engine?)... I think I wanna say house colors, but defaced

[tranquil ivy]

In the statsheet Bladeguard are said to have "Master Crafted Power Weapon"s, so i decided "hammer"

[pale narwhal]

very fair

most of mine have axes, one has a spear, one has the sword (carcharodons, so. axe :3)

[tranquil ivy]

Yea it's either a machine spirit or they somehow trapped the soul of a megafauna in there

its not the first time

there's a Brutalis Dreadnought which is said to hold the rage-filled soul of the dragon whose skull they chained onto the front

[pale narwhal]

if/when I do another six I'm probably going to do some hammers, some more swords, and maybe a power maul or two- get some more variety in there

[tranquil ivy]

hell yeah

currently my wishlist is:

• Centurion (For Chapter Master)
• Fellblade (fucking awesome centerpiece)
• Chaos Knight Wardog (Allied character)

[pale narwhal]

and then I'm going to put them in a land raider probably

because like. land raider (possibly a spartan)

[tranquil ivy]

my only regret is now that i went for a Dracolich feel I cant really do anything else :(

[tranquil ivy]

land raiders make for solid transports so go for it

[tranquil ivy]

I was thinking some Khorne vibes on it which have been all but scratched away

[pale narwhal]

they do, I have an impulsor but I badly want to put twelve bladeguard and two lieutenants/judiciars in a redeemer and just send it up midboard

[tranquil ivy]

or a scheme that's been visibly painted over

[tranquil ivy]

Bladeguard + Judiciar is a gross combo and I love it myself

[pale narwhal]

I have a (sadly very out-of-scale) old metal black templar who I was going to convert into one but I also am probably going to get the christmas box, and I'm probably going to use the box of mk4 I have lying around to make the hellblasters into a 10man so I'll have five primaris bodies to convert into characters

[tranquil ivy]

oooo

I actually used 3 Sternguard bodies from the Leviathan set to make my Bladeguard

3 were regular Bladeguard, 3 were Sternguard

my only downside to my chapter is I dont know how to simulate Rankings within the chapter

since their current scheme is "gunmetal with red left arm"

[pale narwhal]

I could not tell, so that's some well done kitbashing

[tranquil ivy]

it allows them to all have unique poses which is nice

you can tell which ones are Sternguard because they dont have the knee skull

also chaos so the shields lack any sort of defining features, except for the Sergeant who has an original primaris shield. presumably a trophy

[pale narwhal]

I sanded off a lot of the details from my bladeguard, bc instead of having devotional purity seals etc most of the time carcharodons just use exile markings

there's a couple here and there (one on a pistol, one on a tilting shield) and a couple of the bladesman's honour charms around the place but not as many as on the base kit

[tranquil ivy]

i really gotta get some trophy racks for my boys

[tired cairn]

Ghostweave cloaks have a wild manufacturing process:

Hand-stitched by blinded Servitors and annointed with the blood of a thousand sentries who failed at their posts, this cloak contains strands of mnemothread spun from a thrice-blessed dataloom imbued with data-spirits. It throws up a field of techno-spiritual dissonance that veils its wearer from sight and sensors, allowing them to slip across the battlefield like a ghos

[tranquil ivy]

indeee

[tranquil ivy]

makes for a helluva jump captain, too :>

also chat, I have an idea

a big idea

im either putting it on a Brutalis Dreadnought or a War Dog

[jaunty dawn]

Part of the duties of a vanguard battle brother is to harvest the blood of sentries when they infiltrate a stronghold so that their librarians can have drip

[little bay]

it's da bois

[little bay]

hey i know this creature on the right

it's a D&D monster that collects corpses from battlefields

[west zealot]

I mean, I get where you're coming from but Warhammer is a: not high literature, and every time it tries being subtle, we get black templar fans.

So I'm fine with it being relatively blunt and simplistic, because it's also entirely accurate

"Nonetheless, it was starting to occur to Gazruk Hackspanna that this was not the sort of life he thought Gork and Mork wanted for him. He was ­supposed to be creating mighty weapons of war, things that went nyeoowww and boooom and dakka-dakka-dakka, things that got the blood pumping and the heart racing and someone else’s heart detonated over a wide area. He wasn’t supposed to be stuck on a ship, fine-tuning a highly speculative device to satisfy the whims of a strangely obsessed freebooter kaptin who was hot squigshit at anything to do with freebootering and had more hats than sense when it came to anything else."

‘Wonderful,’ Myrin muttered. ‘You’re her Bladesworn, Kraveth, can’t you talk to her about it?’
‘My responsibility is the princess’ safety,’ Kraveth said with a shrug that jostled the blade he wore across his back as a companion to the whip on his hip, ‘and that alone. She is my commander, and it is not my position to advise her on strategy unless she specifically requests it.’
‘As one Bladesworn to another,’ Xela said from Myrin’s far side, ‘it’s sometimes necessary to ensure your commander’s safety by telling them that they’re being a bloody fool before they get themselves into trouble.’
‘Xela is speaking hypothetically, of course,’ Myrin said, chuckling. ‘As we all know, I have never been foolish in my life.’
‘Of course not,’ Kraveth said. He smiled mischievously. ‘I am definitely not, right at this moment, thinking of that incident with the greater daemon on the cursed craftworld of Shilea-Jar.’
‘It left me with some very fetching scars,’ Myrin replied, surreptitiously winking at Taenar, who abruptly remembered the thick, rough skin on Myrin’s left flank.
‘And only one working lung, until we got you to the healers,’ Xela added acidly.
‘I banished the accursed thing, though,’ Myrin said stubbornly. He sighed. ‘But I admit, I should have listened to you first.’

Void scarred is a fun book, I like the Corsairs a lot

[west zealot]

"‘It was no “Shut up and die,”’ Jhanandra put in. ‘I thought that Space Marine Chaplain looked quite put out to be scolded in his own language, right before you put a blade through his throat.’
‘He was being rather tiresome, and very repetitive,’ Myrin recalled absently as he studied the changing layout of the battle. ‘I find that the more fanatical the followers of their Emperor are, the more limited their vocabulary becomes.’

[broken dew]

really pleased i managed to get the heldrake wing bits on there

[jaunty dawn]

Hell yeee

[broken dew]

printing the body which is going to take a while more

6 hour print time 💀

[sour sequoia]

Good News Ultramarines Players

You get a just shy of Lion duelist and also Inner Circle Companions who are also reactive-moving Khorne Berzerkers now

[dense idol]

sixth marneus calgar refresh?

oh

[sour sequoia]

Funniest equal attention cake I’ve ever seen

Just put every single good marines unit rule into the Calgar Sicarius Victrix deathstar

[floral herald]

They got fuckin AACNMO on these boys

[broken dew]

AACNMO?

[sour sequoia]

Cyan you lost me

[floral herald]

Accept Any Challenge No Matter the Odds

It was the oath codex black templars used 99.99% of the time in 4e

[broken dew]

ahh ok

[floral herald]

And I think the first reactive move rule?

Oops I was wrong about which rule it was

But here’s the old Vows

Their reactive move rule was Righteous Zeal

[vital barn]

skimming a BL novel and the standard battle drill of the Marines is being described as "march six strides, fire two shots, repeat" which is a fun nod to the tabletop

absolutely nothing else worth reading in here, though

[floral herald]

Which one?

[vital barn]

"Ashes of Prospero"

I'd hoped it would have fun Tizca stuff but no, it's just space wolves hitting things repeatedly

there is a Navigator eye-lasering daemons out of existence, which is cute

[broken dew]

how come Grey Knights get exemptions

[floral herald]

They’re pure as fuck

[vital barn]

admittedly this is back in the era of Grey Knights being the single killiest and zappiest things on the tabletop bar none

with Custodes and Primarchs and so on the impressiveness of Surprise Paladin Ball has lessened somewhat

[broken dew]

suffer not the witch to live unless they are Grey Knights i guess

[floral herald]

Codex Daemonhunters also wanted allies a lot of the time

[vital barn]

if GW was to publish a similar rule today I suspect there would be no exception in there

[floral herald]

Though you could do pure Knights they uh

Kinda sucked as a solo force

You had like, GK infantry, a GK land raider, Grand Masters, and Terminators iirc

And that was IT

[vital barn]

and GK power armour infantry was never much to write home about

with the possible exception of psycannon spam at one point

[floral herald]

They were insane glass cannons iirc

With all force weapons and Hammerhand

But also T4 W1 3+ lol

[sour sequoia]

I think this works out in my favor ultimately because ultras players are gonna take the bait on 650pt deathstars

[floral herald]

This is also back when if you play Daemonhunters you have to give your opponent Free Daemons

[broken dew]

huh

[vital barn]

the space marine player instinct to build giant doom unit

[sour sequoia]

Excellent counterargument, however [L + Ratio + Crossfire + 6d3+12 lascannons + 27d6 torrent + 42 metamorph sweeps]

[floral herald]

It was a cool fluffy rule

Basically GK only deploy to fight daemons

[broken dew]

how does that work if you're not fighting chaos

[floral herald]

The daemons aren’t picky apparently

[sour sequoia]

Literally the opfor Got Free Daemons to run at you

[floral herald]

There’s a bunch of neat ideas for it in the book iirc

[sour sequoia]

Oldhammer was goofy as shit

[floral herald]

Like nurgle orks

[broken dew]

terrifying

[floral herald]

I think they could also get CSM possessed

[sour sequoia]

Also yeah there was way more bleedover, there were ork genestealers at that point

[floral herald]

But who fuckin wanted to give your opponent power armor genestealers in 3e lol

[broken dew]

yeah lmao

[tired cairn]

Daemon hunters are clearly keeping some low-powered demons in captivity so they have an excuse to help allies

[vital barn]

even in 7e/HH1e there was stuff like Knights Errant, who were build-your-own-Marine-HQ custom characters who gave your opponent a new secondary objective for existing as well as you

nobody used them except me, as far as I could tell

[tired cairn]

or attack rivals >.>

[vital barn]

because "Objective: preserve the warlord" is quite easy to get when he's a tanky as fuck Magos inside what's basically a Land Raider

easy 2vp for me

back then you could get command vehicles that let you give orders and project Ld auras and so on out the hatch, which I believe don't exist in modern HH

besides the Damocles Rhino, which technically gets stronger with a HQ inside but realistically nobody's paying for that

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/wjBZMo0Lw1

Oh cool

Someone put the narratives out

[jaunty dawn]

It does kinda make sense in that like

Black templars arent gonna be able to do shit if grey knights show up

[broken dew]

you can pull a Mortifactors and leave

[jaunty dawn]

Whereas they can be like you random primaris psyker shmuck get out of our sight

[floral herald]

lol

[jaunty dawn]

Wdym you need to “provide key communications infrastructure” and “defend the guard captain from psychic forces”

[desert jay]

Huh, not even GK dread?

[tired cairn]

I think the Avatar even gets the Daemon keyword in some editions

[sour sequoia]

90% of GK range comes from 5e specifically

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

[broken dew]

i don't blame them for looking at the Avatar of Khaine and thinking "daemon"

[tired cairn]

I love the warp spider example because Grey Knights also teleport through the warp lmao

(unless that is a newer change)

[desert jay]

Okay GK Dread was a FW model in 3e

Lexicanum doesn't say when that got moved from FW to mainline

[jaunty dawn]

Probly 5e codex

But well yeah the gk are gonna look at someone doing the thing theyre doing and say stop that

[floral herald]

This was it

[jaunty dawn]

Thats why they do the things they do to stop other people from doing those things

[floral herald]

Rhinos were also allowed

[desert jay]

Oh that is a dread datasheet!

I guess they got to paint the normal SM dread grey if not buying the FW model

[floral herald]

I fuckin forgot about Shrouding omfg

[jaunty dawn]

Not a psyker dread yet tho

[tired cairn]

Hmm, this isn't too far off from the latest army releases right? Though I guess the Chaos ones could call in more general chaos units

[floral herald]

GROSS RULE GROSS RULE

[vital barn]

in this book Njal has gotten a 30k 1kSon stuck in his head, who simply wants to be allowed to finally die, and so this entire book is punctuated by the ghost of a loyalist Thousand Son bitching about how much everything sucks 10000 years later

me talking about the 40k Space Marine list not having fun tanks in it

[jaunty dawn]

Its the same basic units but before getting a like multiunit box treatment that everything had at that time

[floral herald]

It’s missing Paladins, Purifiers, Teleport Pack Guys, and a lot of options

[broken dew]

sucks for that 1Kson sorc

[jaunty dawn]

Like terminators become paladins and terminators

[floral herald]

Maybe some others I can’t remember

[broken dew]

being stuck in the head of a Space Wolf

[desert jay]

Oh damn, Shrouding is like a skrungly oldhammer version of 10e Lone Op

[jaunty dawn]

Also not a billion characters

[floral herald]

It’s basically Night Fighting

But you can’t use Searchlights or Being Tau to ignore it

[desert jay]

Or Night Fighting yeah

[vital barn]

they're getting on surprisingly well, although he's a libby not a sorceror

[tired cairn]

It's actually called a repulser because it is aesthetically repulsive to its allies

[vital barn]

I suspect he will not survive the book but he's definitely the most relatable character here

[tired cairn]

Oh, I mean in terms of the number of new models for a new army release

[vital barn]

possesses Njal briefly to do some Dota 2 Terrorblade Ult shit and wreck a dozen rubric marines

this guy would be scary if he was alive

[floral herald]

Oh I should note the overall codex is a lot bigger

I pulled out the GK stuff but there’s a lot more

[desert jay]

Yeah because Daemonhunters also has Inquisition stuff in it

And something else that I forget

[floral herald]

They got soup too

[vital barn]

‘Shame none of these survived, they would be a big help,’ said Arjac
appreciatively, stepping into one of the restraining alcoves. He laughed at the
thought. ‘Fifteen Wolf Guard all deployed together! A fist the equal of the Wolf
King’s!’
‘You are easily impressed,’ said Halvar, striding towards the command
console behind the driving position. ‘We’d better not show you the Mastodon…’

the 40k space wolves really like the idea of the Spartan Deathstar

[floral herald]

Also daemonhosts and like 7 kinds of assassins

[mild glen]

Oath of Moment keeps getting better

[broken dew]

man i love Oath of Moment

oooh yeah there's more enemies now

sick

[vital barn]

I was playing a HH3e skirmish the other day and it turns out 30k SM players will complain about thallax in the exact same way that 40k marines complain about crisis suits

flying plasma LMG go brrr

they are very similar to Crisis Suits now that I look at them

[jaunty dawn]

Space marines when they have to fight a peer enemy 😭

That isnt a mirror match

[vital barn]

heavy jump pack dudes, big bases, fewer guns but larger ones

(multimelta rather than two fusion guns, etc.)

[jaunty dawn]

Miss the good old days of compliance actions

[vital barn]

you know, "Old Mechanicum locate Tau, get on surprisingly well" would be a fun silly fic

the Mechanicum was still hella xenophobic but they were not actively hostile to the idea of making new fun toys or lifting them from their opponents

and their armies work quite similarly except the mech is more byzantine about it, literally

if we can have books with Ultras fighting alongside Tau then a bunch of Ordo Reductor can pop out of the warp and wave their I Can Do What I Want license around to justify murdering orks with the blueberries

[mild glen]

But mah exploding rapid fire grenade launcher with the big numbers
[Looks under the hood. It's barely stronger than the "Pathetic" lasgun]

[broken dew]

i think you mean "humble" Lasgun

[vital barn]

doing a "you versus the guy you have to worry about" meme would be crass but I think it does fit here

the Thallax lightning gun is basically a sawn-off heavy bolter, statwise

also they're fucking huge, you forget how big they are after painting six of them with nothing to compare them to but that's like Forever Winter exo size

[mild glen]

[Looks under the hood of the Lasgun. It's a slightly more reliable AK-47 with infinite bullets.]

[desert jay]

"Slightly more" than 99% reliable

[mild glen]

(I'm not knocking it. The lasgun is amazing and deserves more respect.)

[floral herald]

It’s also depending on the exact source a significantly more powerful “cartridge”

Though the bolter is usually a pretty clear head and shoulders above it

[mild glen]

Sollux-IX "death light" pattern las, my beloved.

[vital barn]

if you want to fire a very big beam out of a lasgun, you want an old Solar Auxilia blast-pistol

which is basically a revolver that hits like a Tau pulse rifle

rifle-grenade style adapters for standard lasrifles that get them up to S6 were also available

ruins your rate of fire but great for Orks

the Solar Auxilia is very multilaser-brained, not only do they staple multilasers everywhere they also stick adapters on their rifles so they can turn into single shot multilasers and fire en masse

[tired cairn]

Like, it somehow raped fires the entire battery?

[jaunty dawn]

I think it's just hot shot/hellgun stuff using a high quality lasgun

[thin ibex]

I wish guard had more multi lasers in 40k

Like I'm always gonna bring the multi laser on the chimera. Not because it's better, but because there is pretty much nowhere else i can

[vital barn]

it's a kind of capacitor

hellguns are different beasts, you get no more AP out of this

These devices imposed a kind of contained overload on a las gun's firing chamber, resulting in the expulsion of an unstable pulse of energy far more powerful than that of a standard las-discharge. Crude jury-rigged modifications fashioned for this effect had always been known, but at the Lords Solar's request, refined mechanisms of this type were put into production for special issue, particularly where large and deadly xenos species such as the Orks were expected to be encountered.

Even so, such a massive increase in firepower on even the best manufactured las gun frame was not without a price and every time it was used, the weapon risked catastrophic overheating, and in the worst case, the total burnout of the weapon. Such risks meant that, in practice, blast-chargers were employed only by express order and in the direst of situations.

A similar technology was employed far more reliably in a range of artisan-produced las weapons known commonly as "Blast Pistols." These bespoke weapons were able to fire only a handful of shots before reloading, but their damage output rivalled that of arcane Volkite Weaponry.

[jaunty dawn]

I mean that's literally just the same lore as hot shot haha

like ik it's got different stats

it's just like a different modulation of the same concept

[vital barn]

pretty much, but they're a lot more spammable

every dipshit can get a blast-charger, hotshots are expensive

what would be hotshots in 30k are generally volkite squads instead

[jaunty dawn]

I mean every dipshit got a blast charger then

they also had like way better lasguns in general

[vital barn]

well, they have 6" more range

they're not black magic, they're just battle rifles rather than assault rifles

the good shit went to the Veletarii and in equipping everyone with void-sealed carapace

30k gear is generally not "we came up with insane magitech bullshit" outside a couple of the more space-age Saturnine guns, but the 30k Mechanicum and Imperium are more peers to Eldar/Tau stuff rather than significantly worse at deploying good equipment at scale

the Mechanicum have dark lances and their derivatives, for instance

[pastel rampart]

https://anvilindustry.co.uk/hell-kin-2 I dunno who might need some hellish foot soldiers but hey

They'll apparently release them as stand-alone STLs on MFF next month though I guess you can get those through their Tribes subscription.

[topaz hinge]

Anvil is great, highly recommend

[pale narwhal]

What the fuck

Like I’m a marine player- what the fuck were they thinking

[main pagoda]

welcome back soul surge

[floral herald]

I need my “it appears my superiority has created some controversy” Ultramarines pic again

Close enough

[dense idol]

how many points is the victrix clown troupe?

[pale narwhal]

Like. Ultramarines have been the only usable codex chapter for most of 10e. They don’t need more, they’re getting bladeguard+, an insane duellist, and a second calgar datasheet (that gives terminators advance/fall back + shoot and charge for some godforsaken reason)

[floral herald]

We don’t know

[pale narwhal]

Yeah points are post world championship which is at the earliest 10th November

[sour sequoia]

I got my bitchin out already so now its time to laugh as Jimmy UltrasWhale MacPherson funds my entire faction’s design budget for seven years and then goes 0-3 at the RTT as everybody and their mother learned how to kill stupid marine death stars with every glup shitto from playing into Death Guard all edition

[thin ibex]

The sad part for me is that as an wolf player. We got the sickest Logan ever, but we can't use any generic lords for anything and our lords can't join generics. A limitation other chapters don't seem to get

[sour sequoia]

Metamorphs still wound the fuckers on 3s in melee lmfao

[thin ibex]

And a lot of our chapter specific strats don't work for anything but our specific units

[floral herald]

I think it’s annoying that the new Cato can only join Victrix Guard that’s real

[rocky shale]

The Chaos Knight Despoiler continues to exist as divine retribution against MEQ

[jaunty dawn]

Yayyyy

Dont thinn ive seen chaplain before

Really nice to seel them all together

[tired cairn]

You really nail the old art style

[thin ibex]

I'm just griping about how it feels like the bt got their characters able to have generics lead their unique units, wolves are really hamstrung by their inability to cross pollinate on the board

No one can lead their terminators except for their epic heroes

For example

[floral herald]

Yeah I don’t like it

Unit join limits feel unnecessarily strict in 10e

[rocky shale]

Shout out to precodex autarch who couldn't join any apsect warriors

[tired cairn]

It's not that bad for Tyranids (mostly because it's unusual for leaders to join units), but I do think the leader warrior with wings should be able to join any gaunt unit, not just gargoyles

[charred bridge]

Eldar: The monkeigh have made primitive holofields that operate via suffering data spirits.

Drukhari: write that down write that down.

[tired cairn]

The Drukhari version probably involves taking the sentry alive and then putting their soul into the cloak. Which then tortures it for some rain

[charred bridge]

Well the reason is to not get their soul fully ate

Always love the Eldar lore was like doing paths or soulstones to stave off Slaanesh and the Drukhari were like I'm tripling down on the daubachery that birthed him and it worked somehow.

Recover your soul with soothing feeling of causing immeasurable pain to others every time slaanesh takes a bit

[stark cypress]

So, I have an expensive idea.

Might buy some of those Primaris marines and a KT marine scout team to do some bashing.

Especially some head bashing since the KT scout team don't have any helmets.

[paper bluff]

You wouldn't happen to have files for say, oh, a telemon dreadnought fist would you?

[pastel rampart]

Lemme check.

http://puu.sh/KCPwO/42dde5223a.jpg

[broken dew]

that does look like a pre-supported Telemon Dreadnought fist

[pastel rampart]

I've had it in my collection for a while but it's the only one that required Lychee to open and what a miserable experience that was.

Why do I need an account. Why.

[broken dew]

cleaning up the body of the Contemptor atm

my fingers hurt

[paper bluff]

Where would one happen to find that just so I know not to go there?

[pastel rampart]

Long since removed from the usual places.

[broken dew]

even with 3d lines, support remnants and stinging, he still serves

he's never gonna look fantastic but this is still pretty peak actually

surprised how well the head worked out

i mean this is still like, omega bootleg and none of the tolerances were correct

like none of them

but it works

[past sphinx]

consider

he could wear the heldrake part like a tie

[pastel rampart]

That's only for council meetings.

[broken dew]

I was thinking about lore stuff for why he would be more active as a dreadnought than dreads normally are, and i had a thought that maybe he can have kind of a Zandrekh thing going on where he's sort of delusional about his circumstance which causes the torment of being a dreadnought to not really take as much

The reason he hates everything with wings so much is cause seeing flying winged creatures reminds him of dying to the Heldrake and puts him in a state of pure enraged clarity

[stark cypress]

"FUCKING DRAGON!!!! I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU!!!! ARRRRRGH!!!!!"

[broken dew]

A bit like the Black rage where he sort of just sees that battlefield and suddenly feels all his wounds and remembers his dead brothers and is just filled with hate

[stark cypress]

Sidelines
"'..."

"His Honored Elderness has an eternal blood feud against Heretek."

"I see."

"He has killed at least Heretek dragons with his bare hands. Five times."

[broken dew]

Siegfrid hates anything with wings but especially fucking dragons

[stark cypress]

Which makes sense because the opera was about that.

Okay, it was more stuff.

But the dragon always gets the draw.

[broken dew]

Yeah

Also thinking i might make him a secobd power claw arm

They swap his arm out for a plasma cannon for combat but give him two hands outside combat to help with his delusion since it's actively helping him stall dreadnought mental degradation

Thought it'd be a fun idea for why their like 6-7k old dread is not constantly sleeping like most dreads

[stark cypress]

"Does he ever go to 'bed'?"

"No...The Honored Ancient runs on spite and stims. But mostly stims...A concerning amount of Honored Sarcophagi grade stims."

"...Are we sure he's not from the 8th's stock?"

"Yes. And also because he killed a Raptor last week. Brother, what are you saying?"

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQNYGRc5xGM

[stark cypress]

That is how every Dreadnought reaction is when fighting Chaos.

Angry old men who are about to go to town on the fuckers who screwed the team's final game.

[broken dew]

I love in SM2 when the Dreadnought throws the statue at the Heldrake, Gadriels only reaction is to say "holy terra..."

Such a funny moment of him basically seeing grandpa show up and throw a big ass rock at a bird

[stark cypress]

And that's just grandpa

It's get crazier when great-great-great-great grandpa is called up.

Who would win? A Thousand Year War Veteran or Angry Man too angry to die?

[broken dew]

I think the more concerning thing would be a Dreadnought just kinda, waking up on his own and deciding to start roaming around doing shit

[stark cypress]

That feel when Gramps accidentally scares the serfs but then screams at the local repairman who's being an idiot.

[charred bridge]

Heldrake is a 3 man boss fight that only won because of the holy runes where it rested and this dreadnought just casually one shots it

I'd have the same reaction

[broken dew]

Yup

Bro literally smote it

Somehow caused an explosion using a stone statue

Hella impressive shit

[stark cypress]

He probably did crazier shit on the daily before getting entombed.

[broken dew]

Tru

But yeah i've grown fond of the idea that Siegfrid isn't quite in tune with reality most of the time which leads to him being awake more often than other dreads

[stark cypress]

"COME FORTH SQUIRE! WE MUST KILL THIS FUCKING! ABOMINATION OF MAN AND MACHINE!"

"Honored Ancient, please! I am but a serf?!"

"PICK UP THAT SWORD! CHAAAAAAAAAAARGE!"

"Oh Sweet Emperor, this is my life now...Ahhhhhhhhhhh!"

Idea: A dreadnought who believes that they are actually a story book knight.

Don Dreadnought Quixote.

[broken dew]

It's time for Venerable Ancient Sir Quixote

[stark cypress]

OH MY LORD!

THE MANPEROR OF MANKIND LIVES!!!!

[broken dew]

Venerable Ancient Revelation

[stark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/vulkan-lives-stomp-stomp-gif-8255704447025560379

[past sphinx]

HE WAS NEVER DEAD HERETIC!

he was just eepy

[stark cypress]

I DIDN'T SAY HE WAS DEAD! I KNEW HE WAS SLEEPING!

[past sphinx]

little nap

[broken dew]

I feel like The Emperor wouldn't fit in a normal dread

You'd have to custom build one

[untold swallow]

I am compelled to make puns more succinct, so freely ignore me: Dread-Quixote

[broken dew]

Nice

[past sphinx]

kinda suprised there isnt a thinly veiled Don quixote in WHF

[stark cypress]

Yeah

That's actually crazy

isn't there a WHF Spain?

[tepid stratus]

Yup

One of the border states

Estalia or Tilea I don't remember which

Ones Spain and the other Italy

[main pagoda]

estalia is spain tilea is italy

[untold swallow]

https://youtu.be/SeIPgSs-tls?list=RDSeIPgSs-tls

My favorite Irish Basso-profondo released a song for my favorite Chapter ridden with Irish-Catholic guilt

[pastel rampart]

Rather more serious than the one off the official The Sound of Warhammer 40,000 - Volume 1 album.

[remote wharf]

This sounds like club music made by someone who's never been to a club.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah and it's so silly that it turns around to kinda whippin' ass.

This one's probably THE silliest off that album.

Though I do maintain the Dark Eldar track from volume 2 is not only pretty solid, but also really representative of the space cocaine-fueled vibe of DE.

[remote wharf]

Now that dark eldar track I could picture in club.

[past sphinx]

i can smell 2005 on this

holy shit i was only off by 2 years

[hazy bough]

Emperor's dreadnought would end up being the size of a titan

If only to maximize the surface area they can cover in gold

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/malkavian-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-dance-vtmb-gif-12689526691254209879

[charred bridge]

If this were true then the Orks were rather prophetic thinking a titan was the Emperor.

[pastel rampart]

Fucking printer leaked again.

Same as when this happened, though this time it was less intense and easier to remove.

[broken dew]

darn

[pastel rampart]

Couldn't remove the nozzle either, which makes me think it was just too old or loose or something and filament was leaking around it.

I went and just ordered a new freakin' hot end, fuck trying to salvage that part.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61TkwqbjCIL._SL1500_.jpg which y'know, easy enough to install.

[broken dew]

Need to reprint the head

but it's looking pretty nice

the neck is not tight enough and the head ended up being a bit scuffed so i'll need to rework that a bit

the shoulders seem to be working fine which is nice

[broken dew]

dang, printed the plasma cannon but file was kinda fucked up and i missed it so i'm gonna need to re-print

gonna keep printing more parts while i do some edits to the plasma cannon to make it properly printable

yeah the plasma cannon needs to be just, upgraded

whole print was just fucked so i'll redo that one later

might print out another normal arm in the meantime so he'll have two arms

[paper bluff]

Damn I needed one

[broken dew]

honestly just going to like, re-print the whole thing, was thinking i'd keep the upper arm piece but i think i'll just redo the full thing from scratch

[broken dew]

think i'll reprint the shoulders to only have the armor on the front as well since it's interfering with the plasma cannon

or make a modified part to go on the back of the shoulders

[rare turtle]

I'm transformin Aathon Shaan into a jump pack captain

[broken dew]

nice

yeah shoulders need redoing and the plasma cannon needs redoing entirely but it's looking great

[rare turtle]

idon't really know what to do with the breast plate

[past sphinx]

Hes so fuckass mad, love em

[broken dew]

Space wolf time

[upper canopy]

Really clean painting

[valid brook]

hazard stripes gang rise up

[charred bridge]

Good to know chainswords are dangerous, someone could have gotten hurt

[past sphinx]

my eternal love of the idea of ideas shifting and taking on new forms over time

from "this thing is dangerous stay away" to "HEY THIS THING IS DANGEROUS AND IM GONNA HIT YOU WITH IT"

[charred bridge]

Ordos OSHA in the imperium are about how the workers can be more of a threat to xenos, mutants, and heretics

[stark cypress]

"GET OVER AND FEEL THE MIGHTY RIPPING OF YOUR SOUL TO THE GOLDEN THRONE!"

"...Imma call the Chaplin."

[charred bridge]

Like removing handrails, only the heretics need handrails

If youre faithful you just wont fall off the catwalk

[wintry mist]

Evil osha be like "the workplace needs to be less safe"

[charred bridge]

Sick day? Is this some Nurgle corruption ritual

Safety Spotters are a foul xenos role, the Emperor is always watching and none can best his judgement

High visibility jackets are ok but only if its gold instead of orange

[stark cypress]

Rogal Dorn: Seething in rage at the horrible regulations

[charred bridge]

These dead worker are a waste, they could be used to make ferrocrete for the concrete rooms

[broken dew]

corpse starch

[thin ibex]

I like the idea that caution stripes lost their meaning and instead got associated with cool, hard-core shit instead of safety

[broken dew]

Was reminded of the Telemon dreadnought guy again

Getting the lethal turn into a puddle of flesh disease and fighting while literally melting for 18 hours straight is so fucking comical

[paper bluff]

I mean, they are a symbol of danger

[broken dew]

Also had an idea that since the Chapter Master of the Dusk Defiant's big skill is planning and commanding his marines they might joke that he's actually of Ultramarines stock

[upper bluff]

It went from "Danger, stand back!" To "Danger, HELL YEAH!"

[valid brook]

Caution: This Shit is Sick as Hell

[charred bridge]

What other things nowadays could be like drastically shifted in 40k like the caution stripes

The skull and crossbones would be like, oh neat a barrel of holy weapon

[upper bluff]

The hazard diamond is just standard for mechanicus stuff

[charred bridge]

Of course its gold and gold is a good color

[untold swallow]

My CM is both the Master through unusual circumstance and divergent from the general culture of his Chapter (give him a long ranged bolter over a sword as his main weapon any day) and that has caused tension in his men

He's also The Planning Guy of his Chapter

Is why I brought him up

XD

[broken dew]

Abachyle is the CM partially because he is the GOAT of combat tactics and can essentially command his whole chapter at once in real time through his captains

He's also extremely sturdy even for a Dusk Defiant and abnormally strong hence his carrying around such heavy gear

Thinking of what kind of gene seed defects the Dusk Defiant might have also

[past sphinx]

Personal headcannon is a lot of tank markings are actually Gibberish

For they were in the holy stencil box recovered from the STC and thus must make the tank do something better

A bit like how Chinese manufactured knockoff rifles are just covered in random maker mark stamps

During the warlord period*

[broken dew]

Thinking the failure of a few of the organs like neuroglottis, preomnor and omophagea, but with more active haemastamen and larramans organ, making them a bit more sturdy and giving them some more endurance

Imagining that their gene seed is fairly degraded

[untold swallow]

ballin

[past sphinx]

but can he dunk

[untold swallow]

really interesting idea to make their gene-seed defects all related to consumption-based implants

would their larraman's being overactive perhaps be represented in 'over'scarring, for lack of a better term?

Resulting in scars that might be abnormally tight or easily become painful?

Random; am I the only one who's annoyed by memes about Vulkan and the eldar kid cuz it feels like they miss the point of that scene?

i.e. even the best among the Primarchs is not above killing a literal child in a fit of rage

Cuz him being the nicest primarch, and still doing that means everyone the fuck else is worse

[past sphinx]

the eldar child doesnt even rank on the horrors vulkan has done during the crusade

not even the top 50

the crusade's goal was the absolute obliteration of everything that didnt assimulate into the very narrow band of what the imperium considered human

[stark cypress]

Vulkan is better than Curze and Angron.

[past sphinx]

root and stem

[stark cypress]

Especially Curze

[past sphinx]

curse and angron atleast knew what they where

or atleast accepted it

he did leave when the emperor was enthroned ill give him that, a small bit of spine

he just managed to summon it up after arbitrating the deaths of untold billions

[stark cypress]

But the thing is, Curze had full control though? Like, yeah, he had the bad visions because of everything that was going on.

But he pretty much was fatalistic

And treated everything like as though it was predetermined even though it really wasn't.

[past sphinx]

i prefer an honest monster than one who hides behind platitudes

[stark cypress]

Yeah

[past sphinx]

i think i could even go so far as to say that curze would admit he knew that what he was doing was wrong

only that he believed he had no other choice

[stark cypress]

But he always did have a choice though, he just used his visions as a cop out for picking the worst option.

[past sphinx]

yeah hes a prick like that

[stark cypress]

Yep.

Angron has the excuse because of the Nails

And his divine empathy making it worse

[past sphinx]

you know i think corvus is the worst one

a freedom fighter, a revolutionary and WHAM gets swept up in the crusade and starts shackling those who bend the knee and shooting those that dont

[stark cypress]

He probably felt really torn up about it in private because his 'Dad' is acting as the highriders he overthrew.

And couldn't really do that much because he would die.

As, well, during that whole entire point when Corvus was found all of the other Primarch's still had faith or 'loyalty' to the Golden Skeleton.

[past sphinx]

then you die on your feet and not on a insurmountable pile of corpses whos only crime was wishing to not be yoked to the imperium or being born wrong

[stark cypress]

Yeah...

Why hasn't Robute decided to just fuck off and leave his father's folly to die.

Oh wait.

That would kill Ultramar.

Or would it?

[past sphinx]

its an empire unto itself, has been for a very long time

500 odd worlds aint nothing to sniff at

[stark cypress]

I wonder how common that is?

Like you have Ultramar and Mars basically doing a "We're doing this under polite fiction of being together".

All right that's more Mars' case because a lot of them pretty much knew the Emperor was saying bullshit

[past sphinx]

i believe it was basically all subsumed into the imperium short of ultramar because Gman

[stark cypress]

but decided to go along with it because the war for independence would be too costly.

[runic swallow]

Funnily enough, that’s actually the conflict everyone saw coming and was mildly prepping for but then oops, it’s Horus and not some Mechanicus Magos who kicks off a civil war

[past sphinx]

emps was seriously gearing up for a Martian war

Levithan dreads i believe specifically designed for killin cogboys

[stark cypress]

_>

Man, humans really are their own worst enemy.

[charred bridge]

This was pre doat and Mars had serious tech since innovation wasnt heresy that even made Emps worried if he could actually take Mars in the first place

It was a good amount more advanced than what the Emps had

[broken dew]

Was thinking of it cause Mortarion was really freaky about poisoning himself constantly, and his marines had an innate durability against poisons and toxins, it would or could have some effect on those organs

[broken dew]

The idea was that they could essentially scar over and heal any wound given that it doesn't kill them making them that much more survivable, but also they scar far more easily and heavily or often wounded areas would become tough and hide-like due to said scarring which like you thought would cause some problems

I know that's what the larramans is for but i imagine for the dusk defiant it'll scar basically any wound, not just stuff that can be quickly done

[vital barn]

Domitars are also suspiciously good at killing Contemptors, many such cases

[broken dew]

Everyone is suspiciously good at killing eachother, good times

[broken dew]

In conjunction with this the even more increased blood flow and oxygenation from the overactive haemastamen lets them fight a bit harder for a bit longer

[vital barn]

decided to give Reductor a go

hot damn, Thallax can fight now

they always used to be very fast cappers, but now they're reasonably priced, have a shiny 3+ save and can pack as many heavy weapons as they like at the cost of losing 7e Crisis Suit JSJ

just saw a squad of nine turn a Vindicator into a burning wreck the moment it stopped to get a shot off

[broken dew]

damn

[vital barn]

they can also deep strike via jump packs or via burying themselves in the earth and popping out like Zerg, which is a real issue if you want to run a tank company because each of them can have a multimelta

obviously you're not allowed to run 12 units of a single Thallax on the tabletop, but they absolutely do it in lore because they're really fucking annoying to deal with in rough environments and rather smarter than your average servitor or battle-automata

[broken dew]

make sense

[brittle salmon]

that's fucking beautiful

[vital barn]

haven't tried the plasma version yet

but photon thrusters with reductor magos seem to be pretty good at anything that isn't AV14

at least if you can accept the slight skornergy of Mv6" magos attached to Mv10" thallax to make them score and buff their guns up

you can still kind of daisy-chain the squad out to get additional distance, but it's a bit of a finesse job since you want to have the expendable lightning gun guys in front

[vital barn]

it is vaguely amusing how much the Thallax resembles the idealised Space Marine Legionnaire

it's an assault marine/devastator double act with heavy armour, enough independence to pursue objectives without support, an artificially enhanced sensor suite and a brain shorn of all but furious rage and agonizing pain in the line of duty

someone asked a Magos to draw a space marine, having only vaguely explained the concept, and they pretty much nailed it

hmm, the logical extension to "the thallax is like a space marine except less versatile and higher-powered" as an observation is that the primary strength of the Space Marine Legions is that they are cheap as fuck

they stamp out a lot of Inductii during the Heresy, whereas the Loyalist Mechanicum appears to be kind of done by the end of it

I suppose they don't build their own power armour

[mental birch]

Thought they were the mechanicum submission to space marine the project

[vital barn]

not quite, they just use a lot of the same parts as Space Marine power armour

so they're interoperable to some degree in the field

[past sphinx]

its a space marine without all the yapping about honor and valor

[untold swallow]

nice nice

[broken dew]

this does also mean like you said, that they basically scar instead of healing

also they keep in action as much as possible because their overoxygenated blood can have detrimental effects, mostly on new battle brothers

[untold swallow]

interesting

I'm trying to think of my Chapter's own mutations, I'm trying not to make them BloodDark Angels lol

[broken dew]

there is some threshold where the gene seed really takes and they sort of just don't have problems having oxygen poisoning

[untold swallow]

But their final initiation ritual is literally eating a marine to use their omophagea xD

[broken dew]

but with really shiny battle brothers they really keep them doing shit all the time just so they aren't being poisoned constantly without being properly hardened against it

[untold swallow]

I imagine for the first couple weeks they sleep very little as well, yeah

[broken dew]

yeah

got the second arm done for my contemptor

going to remake the hips actually i think

checking on the fit of the hip connectors, they sit too far out and need to be fixed

also going to make the connector for the upper leg shorter so it sits more flush to the upper leg

[past sphinx]

Iron hands don't even get their new character in the patrol

[untold swallow]

Would it be too far-fetched that, since the omophagea is technically a brain implant, the mutation of my Chapter is that it makes them crave meat and have the kind of mindset of a hunter?

[broken dew]

Sanguinius has some lads called the "Flesh Eaters" so go nuts

[sour sequoia]

I dont think any did besides IF

Iron Hands patrol is also just insanely dogshit on top of it

[untold swallow]

lol

I am admittedly trying not to make Blood Angel Dark Angels but I might just do it lol

[sour sequoia]

Like maybe you dont need 3 invictors outta the raven guard kit but you could absolutely 3x that box for the staples and still save as a newer marines player

[past sphinx]

white scars box right next to this one did lmao

Arjac Rockfist (105pts): Foehammer
Bjorn the Fell-Handed (170pts): Heavy Flamer, Trueclaw, Helfrost cannon
Ragnar Blackmane (100pts): Bolt Pistol, Frostfang
Chaplain on Bike (90pts): Helm of the Beastslayer, Absolver Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum, Twin Bolt Rifle
Wolf Priest (70pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum

10x Blood Claws (135pts)
10x Grey Hunters (180pts)

9x Wolf Guard Headtakers (220pts)
5x Wolf Guard Terminators (170pts)
3x Outrider Squad (80pts)
Venerable Dreadnought (140pts): Fenrisian great axe and blizzard shield, Blizzard shield, Fenrisian great axe, Heavy Flamer
Drop Pod (70pts)

is it good for 1530pts? no

but god its gonna have to kill some orks

[sour sequoia]

Whats the orks list lookin like

[past sphinx]

no idea

[sour sequoia]

I kinda like the beat here, your biggest fear is the orks player hiding ghaz and the painboy behind a wall in a giant giant boyz brick

Because it turns out that deathstar is just batshit insane now

[past sphinx]

yeah only reason i took ragnar was for gaz

not because hes good

but for the lore implications

[sour sequoia]

I mean, he should be fine in the unit, they’ll get him, you just don’t actually wanna engage unless you can actually touch ghaz

[past sphinx]

hence the drop pod!

though thats mostly because ive got a drop pod ive never used

[sour sequoia]

Best player in our circuit is back to orkz now and I’m finding much like 20 neophytes + primus & nexos, I’m finding a lot of

‘haha I’m just gonna wipe the brick’
‘be honest’
‘8 dead boyz’
‘Im gonna punch you in the face now’

[rocky shale]

Ooh that's a spooky brick

[sour sequoia]

It is fucking terrifying and has a threat radius of your home objective from their own home objective, orkz are very real now if people actually know what they’re doing

And unfortunately one of the best orkz guys in the world is in my town beating our asses weekly please stop praying for ghazpa he is too strong

[rocky shale]

Oh yeah ghaz can get in transports too now, right?

[past sphinx]

i think he picks em up on his back and carries em

[broken dew]

i cannot imagine Ghaz inside a transport

[floral herald]

they make em big

[pastel rampart]

battle wagon's about the minimum transport that could actually hold him.

[broken dew]

also arms

[pastel rampart]

I wonder if rubbing some acetone on there could help smooth the lines out more.

[broken dew]

could work

[pastel rampart]

I know people do that FDM prints. They just dab the acetone on a microfiber cloth and gently rub it.

[broken dew]

forgor to give him the thigh and hips

going to update them to hopefully put the thigh closer to the hips

[pastel rampart]

Close that thigh gap at the gym

[broken dew]

but he's stuck like this for now as unfortunately the printer has developed a fault of unknown origin

[pastel rampart]

Uh oh. Not printing?

[broken dew]

yeah

tried to get the filament out and it was completely stuck, tried unloading, loading, heating up for abs, etc, nothing was working

so it's gonna need to wait for repairs

[pastel rampart]

Might need to pop it open then.

[broken dew]

probably

[pastel rampart]

Thankfully they're relatively easy to repair on account of their simplicity.

[broken dew]

need to ask my dad for help whenever he has time, for now i have simply turned it off to let the nozzle cool and everything

[pastel rampart]

With luck it's just the nozzle being clogged and you can either clear that or replace the nozzle.

[broken dew]

mhm

[fossil violet]

Does anyone have experience with haloscreed? Trying to get an idea of the range of possible lists within that detachment

[sour sequoia]

Almost Anything But Def Run Some Ruststalkers and Probably A Fulgurite Brick

Like I’d just max your rust stalkers. Goofy ass unit that turns into a cruise missile

Kataphron brick has play w/ rerolls, punchbots will punchbot

Both electropriest bricks fuck immensely but the way people like to play on avg I find the fulgurites scarier, corpuscarii is for T3 armies while fulgurites just laugh at MEQ deathstars

[broken dew]

brick?

[tired cairn]

Large unit that is hard to kill

[broken dew]

ah

[sour sequoia]

People say MSU or scoring squad a lot for min size no character, or brick for ‘max the unit, add the buffing leaders’ so that you know thats the guys you spent strats and enhancements on

Haloscreed can catch a lot of people off guard because its all the admech tricks but it actually will just run at you with eye watering volume and trade up in points value

[finite compass]

as much as I bitch about Horus Heresy stuff, sometimes I have to admit it's perfect.

``For our part, thought Ahriman, you are the enemy, Pale King. How ironic you are content to be known by that title now, the name of the very monsters you used to hunt with such glee. Mortarion, witch-burner, purger of wisdom. Louder than any other voice, yours was raised against our being from the very start. There were other accusers too: Dorn, Russ, Corax, Manus, but none as loud or as self-righteous as you.

Because of you, Prospero burned and Tizca fell. Russ was the implement, and dread Horus the architect, but you were the instigator who fomented the prejudice to begin with. We have longed to see you punished for that, and this is sweet indeed. Look what has become of you: Manus is long dead; Corax and Russ are broken, and lost from the field of war; Dorn is cornered and sweating out his last hours in a prison of his own making as oblivion descends.

But you. You couldn’t even cling on to your principles, unlike them. You, the loudest critic of all, have become one with us. Your strength counted for nothing. You have submitted to the warp, and you loathe yourself for doing so. And we can now watch with relish as you rot and hate yourself for ever.``

Ahriman who insists that he's not a puppet, that Chaos is a tool to be used, and he is not used as it. Who just so happens to serve the one Chaos power that puppetmasters literally everything.
That launched the Rubric 'to save his Brothers from Corruption' and then only survived Magnus's wrath by having Tzeentch personally intervene and call him his favorite pawn
He just so happens to hate Mortarion above all others...Who is the greatest champion of the god Tzeentch is specifically opposed to.

Just so happens to hate the guy more than the one who razed his home planet, or the guy who orchestrated it all.

And sees this as perfectly logical, and doesn't question his reasoning

Or from the protag of the Black Legion books

Ahriman believes he is perfectly unaltered. Did you know that? Yet I have seen the void that screams where his face used to be.

10/10 character, and I am completely serious about that.

[broken dew]

goofy ahh wizard man

[untold swallow]

Ahriman is great

I love arrogant wizard fucks

[charred bridge]

Also my favorite trope

I especially love when the wizard does a big mistake and just doubles down and admits no fault

The plot catalyst for everyone's issue is one guy's hubris

[rocky shale]

4k 4v4 crusade finale

[broken dew]

Saw someone talking about how horrible the imperium is earlier and they specifically referenced the idea of Astropaths being bred and living their lives for the sole purpose of sending messages

And all i could think in my head was that Anchorites exist and being an Astropath doesn't even crack the top 1000 of horrible thing the imperium does to its own people

Being crucified on the nundam is the better fate sometimes they put you in the torture box forever

[floral herald]

I think it’s sort of unfair to compare punishments to everyday banality

[broken dew]

Yeah no

[charred bridge]

Navigators exist, although their eugenics is sort of "voluntary" as in they self regulate their eugenics but its under the pressure that if they're not seen as universally useful and ok to the navy they'd be executed as mutants

[broken dew]

I know

[floral herald]

Though I don’t think it’s normal for astropaths to be specifically bred for the role

[broken dew]

But just like, the idea that someone would look at Astropaths and think the imperium is horrible

[floral herald]

They’re just the middle slice of the black ship tithes

[broken dew]

Like specifically Astropaths of all things

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s a funny one

[charred bridge]

Iirc they're bottom barrel, not bad enought to just be sacrificed to the throne but too weak willed to resist any daemonic influence to be combat psykers

[floral herald]

When there’s like 10,000 people literally chained to industrial machinery for each of em

[floral herald]

That’s a lower middle grade basically

[dense idol]

tangentially related

[floral herald]

You need relatively strong psykers to survive soul-bonding

[broken dew]

Like oh man look they have an entire caste of telephone people

[charred bridge]

Yea most psykers just don't make it long in general

[broken dew]

I feel like you missed a lot if you think the telephone people are bad

[dense idol]

i once saw somebody discussing trench crusade, specifically the iron sultanate's janissaries

[floral herald]

Astropaths have it pretty good yeah

oh man I’m cloistered in a tower and send emails with by brain

[dense idol]

"so the state kidnap orphans and indoctrinates them over their entire lives to become brutal and unflinchingly zealous warriors? wow, ok, copying warhammer 40k much"

[broken dew]

Like Astropaths by the standards of the imperium aren't even bad

[charred bridge]

Considering the horrors of being like a sanctioned psyker in the battlefield it's pretty cushy

[broken dew]

You could be a Servitor, they could kill you and use your skull to make a floating alexa

They're gonna turn your corpse into food

[charred bridge]

You're facing horrors in your mind trying to keep alive from the horrors on the battlefield.

[broken dew]

It was just funny to me

[charred bridge]

It's often also in the most well defended part of a planet too

Unless you're an astropath on a ship

[broken dew]

Like really the Astropaths are the thing you're calling the Imperium horrible over

[charred bridge]

You're kind of as vulnerable as anyone else, in status a less free navigator

[finite compass]

Imagine Astropaths being the horrible thing

When fucking Servitors exist

[broken dew]

Your entire life is communications? Excellent

[pastel rampart]

That back wall painting gave me momentary vertigo.

[broken dew]

You get to live an entire life

Great success

[charred bridge]

Any role civilian and not exposed to a hive part of the world is already a big upgrade from the average person

[broken dew]

Idk i don't mean to be rude to the person who said it but i was hit with such cognitive dissonance over calling the Imperium grotesque over specifically Astropaths

[finite compass]

The Imperium is Grotesque

It's just they picked one of the objectively least grotesque aspects. 😛

[broken dew]

It is

[charred bridge]

I think the imperium might not be the good guys

[broken dew]

But just like

Astropaths is what you're gonna use to illustrate your point

[finite compass]

Not Servitors

Or Arco-Flagellents

Or Krieg

Or Hive World corpse harvesting

[broken dew]

They're basically mailmen, you could be lobotomized

[charred bridge]

Tbf Krieg sort of that to themselves at some point

[broken dew]

Or put in a wall

[charred bridge]

They met their tithe debt but just are gungho on outdoing themselves

[broken dew]

There's like a trillion things the Imperium does that is worse than employ psychic mailmen

[finite compass]

Or that keeping planets in a feudal to stone age tech level because it makes for more efficient cannon fodder is something that's widely practiced and accepted.

[charred bridge]

Militarum are like please stop, you've already paid your tithe debt and you demoralize even the commissars sometimes with your prescence

At least when there isnt a battle that needs unquestioning bodies thrown at it

[broken dew]

Can't imagine anyone likes fighting with Kriegers

[finite compass]

Contrariwise with the Catachans

[charred bridge]

Yea joining the people constantly being downers about duty and dying to the point it might just be better to have a blank regiment

[finite compass]

Where living on the objectively most terrifying planet in the galaxy is both apparently voluntary and seen as a point of extreme pride

[charred bridge]

The thing with catachans is they're like im never going to die

[finite compass]

i'm just remembering the TTS bit

[charred bridge]

And inspire morale

[finite compass]

Vulkan: "This planet is truly humbling! Man-eating scorpipedes! Platoon-eating plants! And trench foot for the power armored!"

Corax: "WHY DO PEOPLE LIVE HERE!?"

[dense idol]

what does a catachan settlement even look like?

[charred bridge]

Iirc there isn't

[finite compass]

A collection of temporary prefabs with a scorched firebreak of burned jungle around it

[pastel rampart]

Printer transplant successful. So far, printing good.

[dense idol]

i'm imagining a dozen outhouses each separated by a hundred meters of Ivy That Makes You Fucking Explode

[charred bridge]

There's like landing zones but those may or may not be inhabited at the moment depending on if wildlife sides to raid

[finite compass]

They have to move settlements every bit because the jungle gets overly aggressive if anybody stays in one place for too long

[charred bridge]

In a sense seminomadic cause they do setup temporary settlements

As for like how they even communicate or send astropathic messages without any permanent infrastructure idk

[finite compass]

The astropaths stay in orbit

Vox casters are portable.

[charred bridge]

Makes sense

Love how nids came to catachan and just left after finding it was not worth it

[finite compass]

Or how the Great Rift opened and a horde of Daemons and Chaos shit descended on the planet

And by the time the Crusade came to bail them out, everything had just been eaten by the wildlife

And the Catachans themselves barely noticed

Anyway this is why Catachans are so much more fun than Cadians

[charred bridge]

They probably did notice but didn't realize the weird creature they killed with a knife was a greater daemon

Some weak ass new animals on Catachan

[finite compass]

But yeah IIRC it's SOP for most Feral/Death Worlds for all the necessary Imperial infrastructure and the planet's actual governor to just stay in orbit at all times

[charred bridge]

Does catachan even have a government

[sour sequoia]

Straken makes a phone call every few years

I gotta get me some catachan prints to mix into my GSC 🤔

[charred bridge]

Catachan Wrriors truly have resolve beyond my comprehension

[desert jay]

Also like "your job is to deliver messages" is just like... a job? Oh the job is for life? Wow you even have real job security

[charred bridge]

If astropaths were like a bred thing, it'd be like oh man you're genetically disposed to having one of the cushiest and safe jobs in the the imperium?

[floral herald]

You do have to look at your god so hard and close you go blind

But for Imperial culture this is so sick that bigots will respect you so

[charred bridge]

I mean this is what people in the imperium do just metaphorically

[floral herald]

It's very much not metaphorical for them though

(But if you're a psyker being blind is also less of an impediment - in RT they got psychic blindsight)

[dense idol]

to be fair, the imperium can offer excellent job security in pretty much any profession - that position will last you the rest of your life

[charred bridge]

Well astropath is a job you'd probably retire in

Unless you're a named one

Then you get killed for the plot

[finite compass]

You also get quite literally burned out by the job very quickly

Well quickly in this case meaning a matter of decades

[charred bridge]

Probably still one of the best ways to end your life in 40k

[finite compass]

Which is still probably equivalent or better to your average Imperial civilian working a 16-hour shift in the Midhive munitions factory

[desert jay]

Or mining for whatever plasteel is made of

[finite compass]

Or working the maceration line in the corpse starch Reclaimed Protein facility while trying to ignore the insistant voice in your head telling you to turn your chain cleaver on the guy next to you and take his skull.

On Necromunda at least this happens so often that 'Corpse Guild Workers Turned Khorne Cultists' are their own separate list

[charred bridge]

Being a maceration line worker and you got 5 voices in your head

• stab your boss into it so you can be promoted
• cleave the nearest guy for the blood
• throw the cleaver into the line to botch up this batch to get people sick
• use that cleaver on yourself, it'd feel nice
• can you use the cleaver to make me canon again, it's me malal

[sour sequoia]

its me boy your suspiciously bald union boss. Do it do it do it do it

[broken dew]

that too

if you are gonna call the Imperium grotesque don't use checks notes... mailmen as the example

[charred bridge]

I mean tbf considering the mutations and like hazardous stuff in the everything then having hair would be a sort of privilege

Or you're just built different and won't let hair loss from toxins in the air, water, and food get to you

[desert jay]

More like telegraph/telephone operators than mailmen but yeah

[vital barn]

Navigators get an actually cushy life and a psychic death laser eye that deletes anything it looks at, at the cost of a rather unpleasant corner office