#Warhammer and Such

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untold swallow
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fuckin love paul

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dogshit taste in units but god does he commit /j

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God his comment is so good

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'It is my meta now.'

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'you are all just living in it.'

mild glen
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Couldn't be Paul; not enough Centurians

untold swallow
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Also no assault centurions

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A central part of any Screaming Ravens list

desert jay
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Ooh but Inceptors...

mental birch
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commitment to dogshit?

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ahahaha

desert jay
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Also funny is that there's another Raven Guard centurion list in another tourney that Auspex covered, and this one is even run by someone named Paul

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(Not the same Paul, but PaulIsBadAtStuff is again in the comments)

sour sequoia
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knocked out by EC makes sense

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marines that schmove like GSC -> melee pressure beats your ass and takes your real estate

pastel rampart
spice flicker
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How are death guard looking right now?

sour sequoia
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Mortarion's Hammer less auto-take but Hammer, Flyblown, Virulent Vectorium, and whatever the hero-centric one is named all very very good still

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your giant hammer for solving problems shifted to 10-man Blightlords but you still have a big dumb nigh impossible to kill unit that overkills anything rhino or smaller on overwatch

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Army is probably still top 3 after the dataslate

spice flicker
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The rules are interesting and I can see it being pretty fun but how gross some of the models are kinda steer me away from the DG. Would it be accepted to use some of the 30k models to proxy plague marines and the sorts or would that not work and should instead just embrace the grossness?

sour sequoia
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you have a bunch of unique weapons, if you can make clear equivalents I don't see anybody caring that much - the plague marines are 32mm still

spice flicker
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Ok I was just curious

sour sequoia
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(I do think people are gonna give you unholy trash talk for "I love death guard but I hate the tumors and poop-flamethrowers" but thats w/e lmaooooo)

spice flicker
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Part of why I asked about the DG was to look into expanding beyond just Knights (both chaos and imperial) and Drukhari for another army. Add on top of that the fact that some friends are looking to do a king of the colosseum game (or tournament they havent decided) and well i dont feel comfortable with non-vehicle spam for the DE and well knights are banned outright so why not go with something a little different from normal.

sour sequoia
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yeah, checks out. DG is pretty much the biggest most absurd firepower you can build on infantry

spice flicker
# sour sequoia (I do think people are gonna give you unholy trash talk for "I love death guard ...

I have my knights painted in a ambigious way that I can use them for either imperial or chaos (outside a few models) depending on my mood so I am kinda used to that kind of stuff (the nitpicking about model appearancr). Ill admit that growing up with family in the medical field (without being in it myself) has given me a slight aversion to blatantly gross for the sake of being gross things. The lore and playstyle of the DG though do draw my attention though, just not some of the model designs though.

spice flicker
thin ibex
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if you dont want to go termie heavy and dont want to bring morty, like you wanna do a vanguard of tough infantry; can you still do that with em decently well?

sour sequoia
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plague marines are the killiest battleline in the game, poxwalkers (not plaguebearers I got my nurgle confused) are the toughest screening unit in the game, they all have the Gamer Aura

spice flicker
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If it ultimately ends up being too much of a deal breaker, or 30k to 40k conversions are too much to do, what other factions might play sort of similarly? Deathwing focused Dark Angels? Something else?

floral herald
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Stodes are sorta similar

rocky shale
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Custodes?

sour sequoia
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Deathwing Wrath of the Rock gets even tougher but it's lower firepower outside of Azzy & Helblasters specifically, or ICC and a character into character deathstars. Custodes will hit about as hard and do it all from melee

desert jay
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Also color scheme can do a lot I think, if you painted DG in reds and whites (meat and bone and blood) they'll come across way different than the typical pus and pustules and such

sour sequoia
floral herald
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The plague marine models also look a lot more normal in less oozy colors

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sour sequoia
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it is also like, flat out worse at it since TSons became a sin eater for the dataslate somehow

rocky shale
desert jay
sour sequoia
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but that detach rule throws a lot of people for a loop and scarab occults are HARD to shift.

sour sequoia
spice flicker
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So the banana boys, dust bins (one of the first armies i considered tbh), or deathwing it seems if i ultimately cant reconcile wirh DG (though that one paint scheme does look nice.)

rocky shale
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I love it

spice flicker
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Funny enough I nearly used agents in a tabletop simulator crusade before getting annoyed wirh trying to figure out how to deal with heavy vehicle and custode threats.

rocky shale
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It's like one army rule and one antitank option away from being a normal army

sour sequoia
rocky shale
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You don't deal with the tanks you just trap them forever

sour sequoia
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it only takes 1 unit of bikes and 2 units of purestrain genestealers to just fully lock an army in deployment zone for 2+ rounds

rocky shale
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You merely inform your opponent that you have 30 wounds of 3+/4++ 9" from their deployment zone and ask them how they plan to escape

desert jay
rocky shale
tired cairn
rocky shale
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Tank traps would honestly probably make agents good

spice flicker
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Honestly agents do seem like they could also be fun but yeah need more anti-armor and an actual army rule. Also not be so finicky about what can and cant go into transports would be nice.

sour sequoia
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honestly putting money on them squatting GK and Agents and doing a real inquisition army again in 11th

spice flicker
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Deep strike or infiltrator tank traps

rocky shale
desert jay
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Also found this pic of an ice-themed DG (Frost Guard?) someone made

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rocky shale
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And not in another army that doesn't actually benefit from having them there

spice flicker
rocky shale
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It's funny that you can put inquisitor draxus with custodes tho

spice flicker
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Agents: for when you cant decide what Imperium army to play so you just decide ro take a little of everything and channel your inner moon knight "random bs go" to try and win.

rocky shale
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Id even play a pure imperial navy faction that I know is never gonna happen

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For me it's like
Navy > inquisition > arbites > deathwatch/gk/sisters

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It's my beloved blorbo faction

fossil violet
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Let's say I'm looking to get into warhammer in the near future, where should I uh. Start

desert jay
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I think free model of the month, see if you enjoy putting it together and painting it

spice flicker
desert jay
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(Or the SM Infernus or Stormcast Liberator, those are a perrenial free model for first timers)

fossil violet
spice flicker
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Any particular faction, army, or playstyle interest you?

sour sequoia
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literally I'd just go look at the factions till you see one that looks sick

thin ibex
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go with whats cool rather than whats good, also just being a collector and not a gamer is no crime

sour sequoia
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there's people in here who play every single one and can tell you all about playstyle and fundamentals, you can learn any army but by god. if you are hobbying and gaming. you need to be able to look at Your Dudes for some hundred hours and when they're on your shelf and like them lol

thin ibex
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but as far as faction selection, i definitely suggest picking a faction that you like on vibes rather than rules; the rules will change

spice flicker
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Agreed

sour sequoia
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buying for current meta when just starting will drive you mad because it'll flip by the time you make it to the table

<------bought 30 lychguard a week before necron codex dropped

fossil violet
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Ok because I do like Adeptus Mechanicus a lot but I heard they're pretty tricky to play

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I also kinda like Aeldari and Drukhari, Orks are what I tried to start with way back when

sour sequoia
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They have a lot of rules, and go by strength of rules and strategy rather than model stats. But they're honestly perfectly good, especially having just gotten a bunch of love

thin ibex
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tbf lychguard do look cool

rocky shale
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Admech primarily suffer from (at least this edition) being really expensive to field 2000pts

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In $$$

thin ibex
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Tbh, an army being tricky to play is ultimately just a journey of reading and time spent with the faction

sour sequoia
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potentially high learning curve, but you get the benefit of looking like a wizard once you do

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"hey whos that guy in the corne--why is boss music playing what language is that why is he lifting off the ground"

fossil violet
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Yeah I'm not adverse to a strategy heavy army necessarily

sour sequoia
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starting $$$ is gonna be biggest hurdle for admech rn yeah, then the like raw hobby factor of assembling/painting hordes of stuff that's greebled to hell and back with tons of different texture/materials, but if that doesn't scare you off then go for it. Genuinely very rewarding army imo

vital barn
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so if you bulk them up slightly with some gear and some tactical rocks they'll look fine

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I'm personally planning on using Breachers for my Plaguey Boys because shieldwall reaction makes 30k models T5, which matches old plague marines

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big shield denotes beef

fossil violet
rocky shale
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Speaking of that since I have a friend thinking of getting into admech, how would 2 of the 9th Ed combat patrols + cawl be as a starting 1k points

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That's 2 enginseers, cawl, 20 akitsrri, 6 kataphrons, 2 duncrawlers

sour sequoia
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Orks is swarmy as shit as well, Eldar is elite, but it can still mean quite a few dudes as you stock up your bespoke Aspect Warriors - but they're both potentially a lot of different hobby stuff given all your rainbows of warriors/bright ass craftworld schemes and hodgepodge of ork materials and bright colors

rocky shale
sour sequoia
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Eldar specifically can be unforgiving initially because they're elite & glass cannon - your mechanical deal is launching different cruise missiles at appropriate targets and trying very desperately to wipe out chances of crackbacks

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I see my buddies frequently table-or-be-tabled midway thru round 3

spice flicker
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Dark Eldar are from my experience pretty fun to play. I go heavy into vehicles like ravagers and raiders as well as Cabal units instead of things like homonculi or Wych units. Speed across the battlefield with big fast guns and transports.

rocky shale
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Yeah it's a learning curve but very rewarding

spice flicker
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Was considering adding some clowns to my dark Eldar army but heard they cant do that anymore so I scrapped that idea.

sour sequoia
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They absolutely can, there's a whole detach for it that's quite good

rocky shale
sour sequoia
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its more restricted than it used to be, GW realized Ally Soup is a bad idea

spice flicker
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Ah I see, usually ran skysplinter and forgot about the wager. Was mostly just looking at things like a solitaire or voidweavers for extra firepower.

main pagoda
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voidweavers are fantastic for their points

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scuffed LO is brutal on a tank hunter

rocky shale
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Are they? I haven't seen anyone else say they're that good lmao

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18" isn't exactly an ideal safety bubble for a T6, 4++, 6W vehicle

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You're basically coin flipping for your life

spice flicker
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This is what I was considering for skysplinter at least.

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rocky shale
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Esp. When your guns are only 24"

fossil violet
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Thanks for the help everyone! I'll probably be painting one (1) space marine tomorrow so I'll see how that goes as a first foray

rocky shale
spice flicker
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I like the big guns

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Shame the tantalus was reduced to legends.

rocky shale
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That's also a ton of hulls to be moving around the board, you're probably gonna hit a traffic jam

sour sequoia
fossil violet
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Totally, I just have access to space marines via my job right now haha

sour sequoia
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doing a zenithal prime and contrasts for basecoating armies like AdMech and GSC is miracle work that you can still touch up as much as you want, and the huge flat surfaces of space marines simply do not work the same way

rocky shale
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Admech cloaks aren't too contrast friendly either but it's nbd

fossil violet
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Oh yeah I believe it

vital barn
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if you do go for admech, a) contrasts good and b) build absolutely everything in subassemblies

spice flicker
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I found knights to be a good way to practice painting. Big models that have plenty of big surfaces to work with.

vital barn
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it is functionally impossible to do Skitarii robes and chests underneath their arms and all their dangling dials and censers, but they subassemble very easily

rocky shale
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Airbrush is my favorite way to cheat at robes

vital barn
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so do legs/backpack/body/arms separate

fossil violet
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Subassemble means putting smaller parts together before fitting the whole model together?

vital barn
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I need to use my shiny new airbrush, it's been sitting on a shelf in a workshop for years because I had no use for it at university

spice flicker
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Ad mech can also take knights and imperial knights have a detachment focused on taking using skitarii for screening and other things.

vital barn
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yes, but in this case, paint the parts before putting them together

fossil violet
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Gotcha gotcha

vital barn
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because the arms cover the chest, the backpack doodads cover the robes and the robes cover the legs

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so they're functionally impossible to paint well if you don't handle those parts first

fossil violet
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Ok yeah that makes sense

rocky shale
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You can of course cheat and just not paint the parts that are hard to see

vital barn
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with most models that's fine, nobody cares about the inside of the rhino, but Skitarii have a lot of visible but extremely awkward bits

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it's not hard to paint the parts individually, you just have to remember to do so

rocky shale
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Fair fair

vital barn
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look at all those dangly bits

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and the stuff on the inside of the legs

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so much easier if you just get some blutack, stick it to the waist joint and paint all the legs upside down on their own

untold swallow
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Okay I thought drukhari didn't have psykers

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uh

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What is this Archon doing if not pulling a Shang Tsung?

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spice flicker
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They dont technically last I remembered

rocky shale
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Not psyker stuff

untold swallow
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what the fuck is it then?

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Cuz I know Mandrakes are just

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Weirdly Magical

junior robin
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just good old soul suckin

untold swallow
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Is this a similar thing???

floral herald
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He’s slurping on that guy’s soul

junior robin
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cracking open a soul one with the boys

upper bluff
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The literal answer is that it's not psyker stuff they can just do that

floral herald
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Yeah

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They all blunt out or suppress psychic powers but they’re still innately pain soup vampires

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Fuck it the typo can stay

sour sequoia
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Necrons and Dark Eldar get to laugh at everybody else

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Fuckin amateur hour

upper bluff
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Drukharii just have that weird thing of doing slaanesh stuff because it stops them from dying but also hating it so so so much

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Well they love it

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Just not the feeding slaanesh part

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When I learned that they don't actually worship slaanesh I was really surprised because just look at them and what they do

vital barn
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Necrons have Clarketech, DEldar have not!goetic powers that don't count, Khorne gets to be a warp-based hypocrite and 30k Mechanicum have a whole suite of technognostic not!psychic powers that generally take more time than most actual psychic phases

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Cybertheurgy starts out pretty reasonable and then you get into the Heterodoxist stuff and end up carving runes on the breastplate of a possessed marine to give him greater speed and strength, at which point this is really just sorcery with maths

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vital barn
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I still love that one of the best ways to take down a Primarch at a reasonable price is to get a bunch of snipers and buff them to pretenatural levels of accuracy with warptech, looking forwards to making my squad of AL cyberdemon headhunters

upper bluff
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It turns out that super soldier demigods are still weak to being surrounded by gunfire at long range

untold swallow
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I do wish this weird soul suck thing

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was represented on tabletop

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that'd be fun

upper bluff
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Technically I think it's supposed to be their army rule?

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Do they still have the pain tokens or whatever from the index

untold swallow
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has not actually played drukhari and only knows archon rules from ynnari in true eldar

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They do still have pain tokens aye

deft crest
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Whats the vibe between Drukhari and harlequins

paper bluff
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Comedy

deft crest
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clearly its somthing because they can hae them on a list together

paper bluff
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You know that word that describes laughing at somebody else's pain?

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That specifically

untold swallow
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Harlequins are like

upper bluff
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From my understanding Harlequins have such a "I'm 50 moves ahead of you" type of plan shenanigans that they'll work with just about anyone

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Also they have guns that just kill you which is so funny

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I love the neurodisruptor

untold swallow
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varyingly Enlightened Centrists or We Need To Work Together Stop Killing Each Other Fucking Please By Cegorach

upper bluff
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I really like harlequins and they make me so sad

floral herald
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So they can hang with anyone

upper bluff
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The Drukharii Harlequins detachment is so cool

untold swallow
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Reaper's Wager fucks

upper bluff
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So so so flavorful and also really cool rules it's a 10/10 for 10th edition game design

untold swallow
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It's just

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so characterful

vital barn
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Angron surrounded by a couple of hundred space wolves with bolters pretty much assumed he'd die if they fired, although he didn't mind

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Gulliman was nearly killed by a squad of AL headhunters jumping him while he thought he was safe, Lorgar got fucked up by a Warhound shooting him twice even with the kine shield

deft crest
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Thinking about getting this persons Drukhari lot from a LGS

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but damn, Its all stuff from 3rd

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and i don't have an idea of what's still useable modelwise

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Hate to end up with another unusble unit
Cries in bloodclaws/stormwolf

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Anyone help me get a visual ID on these?

upper bluff
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The difficulty with Drukharii is that most models either aren't sold or are old as hell

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Although new codex fixed some of that in the worst ways

untold swallow
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fifth, I can count

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fuck

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XD

deft crest
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heh

untold swallow
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I wanna say the actual third image is incubi?

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4th are kabalites

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2nd looks like an Archon

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And the vehicles are whatever the transport is

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A Raider I wanna say?

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Theoretically all this stuff is usable

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the jump pack warriors are scourges

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wyches are wyches are wyches

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drukhari have jetbikes

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God wait do they?

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okay yes they do, Reavers

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So yeah all this stuff is usable

deft crest
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Mmm MMM

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Thats also from your unit names around 1000~ points worth too

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And i could just get the other half with clowns

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Thank you so much bunthankyou

untold swallow
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And play apparently the coolest fucking detachment in Drukhari

upper bluff
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Yes yes yes harlequins

untold swallow
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I would be careful running the old mandrakes as current mandrakes tho

upper bluff
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Literally that detachment is that you keep track of how many kills each faction gets and the losing faction gains buffs to beat the other it's so cool

untold swallow
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Cuz like

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They look nothing alike

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I would let you cuz wtf theyr'e literally mandrakes

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Another person who's not as familiar will have to have it explained to them

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Honestly that might be a point in favor of running this army cuz like

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Old mandrakes look generically drukhari enough I'd let them run as wyches or kabalites if you really wanted to

deft crest
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Yeah there are only 10 of em so i don't mind losing out on that if nothing else

untold swallow
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Then yeah this is eminently usable

deft crest
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Reached out to the seller

untold swallow
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You have somehow happened on the one geriatric drukhari army that still has all legal units

deft crest
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This was posteed in mid august so i hope they still have that

untold swallow
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congarats

deft crest
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thanks again

untold swallow
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ur welcome lol

upper bluff
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Oh yeah I didn't even think about that. Not a single grotesque in there

untold swallow
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Fs in the chat for Haemonculi

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Not the unit, the subfaction

upper bluff
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Wait what but aren't Talos pain engines and stuff in the combat patrol?

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How many units did haeminculi lose?!?

floral herald
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Just grots

upper bluff
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Phew. That's what I thought

desert jay
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Grotesques were also 1/blister pack finecast minis while they were still being sold

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Which ended not-recently AIUI, they've been out of stock for a bit

sour sequoia
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^^^ GW pretty intent on getting off finecast reliance. I think the only reason the lokhusts stay is because they predate finecast

desert jay
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So like they're officially legends now, but before the codex they were kinda de facto legends'd due to being unobtainable

sour sequoia
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necron finecast obliterated, grotesques obliterated, khaldor draigo the only grey knight to have ever mattered anywhere obliterated

desert jay
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Unless you still had some hanging about

floral herald
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Gonna play more KT this evening

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Deathwatch (me) vs Fellgore

deft crest
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Gl

floral herald
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Struggling some to choose operatives

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I’m pretty sure I want Sergeant, Gunner, Aegis, Horde-Slayer, ???

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I’m not sure if I want more melee or ranged

deft crest
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Probably melee

vital barn
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will not be missing finecast honestly

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although it's a damn shame the Covens got gutted for it

floral herald
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I’m leaning towards Blademaster

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Lethal 5+ melee is probably good for getting Frenzy kills

vital barn
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plastic is now good enough that everything should just be plastic, IMO, but they are really taking chunks out of the old ranges to get there faster

deft crest
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Yeah your goal is to drop anybody within a swing or

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2

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Last I remember they have a couple of ambush tactic ploys so they're going to go from concealed to loud

floral herald
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Demolisher might be better

deft crest
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Do you know the map

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Volkus or tomb world

floral herald
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Tomb World

deft crest
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I still think horde Slayer

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But I don't remember what the breachers weapon

floral herald
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Demolisher is the Thammer guy

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Breacher is weird

deft crest
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Oh then what is the other gravis option

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Oh no no no

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Shoot voice to text making me sound crazy

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Getting my unit names confused

floral herald
floral herald
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They all have fucked up profiles haha

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deft crest
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Mmm

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Torrent 2 is funny

floral herald
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I’m kinda tempted by the Breacher just for tomb world walls

rocky shale
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How does piercing crits even work?

sour sequoia
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the cryptek who's been maintaining the royal upholstery for the last fifteen eons:

floral herald
rocky shale
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Ohhh

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I see

floral herald
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Which with 5 dice is fairly likely

deft crest
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I think breacher might be better after reading the gravis options

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Meltabomb doesnt get BLAST

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Which is so bizarre

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Shame you cant use it as a mine either

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Aux nades thou

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I love the idea of the ork breacher breaching a wall on a charge that DOESNT blow upen the breach point on the terrain

floral herald
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I get to see the layout but I think opening breaches will be important for me

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Since I will probably need fire superiority vs Fellgore

deft crest
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Shrimply kill them gud

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God i wanna play but my local groups been quiet

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All the stuff is happening like 2 hours away

sour sequoia
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road trip road trip road trip

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montana has completely annihilated the concept of a reasonable drive for me my ass is doing 4hrs each way for an RTT

rocky shale
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3 is like max day trip distance

sour sequoia
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takes 2 hours to go to the next town over 😔 the reason the joke i'm the only GSC player in a 300 mile radius works is because there's no people in those stretches

rocky shale
desert jay
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Road Trip Tourney

thin ibex
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train tourney, whole tournament is handled on a moving train

rocky shale
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I have a friend thinking of getting into admech, how would 2 of the 9th Ed combat patrols + cawl be as a starting 1k points

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I may be able to nab two of them for like $250 or less

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That's 2 enginseers, 20 skitarii, 6 kataphrons and 2 dunecralwlers

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Seems decently well rounded depending on loadouts with just too many enginseers

thin ibex
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yeah thats pretty workable

sour sequoia
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good basics for sure

vital barn
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if they magnetise the Dunecrawler guns that's very solid

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it's a very easy job

sour sequoia
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kataphron brick goes hard in Haloscreed

vital barn
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I am reliably informed that arc rifle breachers fuck things up

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(which is quite funny because I remember them being utter rubbish in the before-times, despite looking very cool, it's nice that they were redeemed)

rocky shale
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The new combat patrol is so bad in points it's not even funny but it's still probably a decent "where to go from here" point

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If not just robots and more kataphrons

vital barn
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my kingdom for the old Start Collecting box

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dominus, 10 skittles and an onager for £50 minus whatever third party discount you could get, which was a tiny bit under 500pts if you decked them out back then

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armies were built off 3-4 of those

desert jay
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(Which speaks to how expensive AdMech is)

rocky shale
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You could add in an entire unit and it still wouldn't be 500pts

desert jay
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$168 for the box, $225 a la carte, and built as the patrol it's 290 pts

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You could double any two of the units in the box and it'd be 400-470 pts

rocky shale
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I hate when my friends like admech lmaooo

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Please bestie like something else

vital barn
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incredible drip, terrible for the budget

rocky shale
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For your own sake

thin ibex
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i kinda wanna try playing admech big kataphron ball

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do the kastelan robots play into that at all?

rocky shale
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Kastelans are good and good points per $

desert jay
#

And huggable

sour sequoia
vital barn
#

man, kind of wishing my pair weren't glued to guns because they went 2.5 editions as all dakkabots

#

they do look a bit better with the fists

sour sequoia
#

24 lascannon hands fuck your shit

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vital barn
#

the fistobots ride again

thin ibex
#

is the kastelan/vehicle detach decent on admech?

pale narwhal
#

It’s alright

From what I remember haloscreed and hunter cohort are the clear best

thin ibex
#

Yeah my last memory was hunter was the best

tired cairn
#

Hunter was pretty much the only good detachment until Halocreed was released. I don't know if Haloscreed is better or more popular because you can use the other half of the army lol

desert jay
#

IIRC people like playing Haloscreed with Kastelans too

rocky shale
#

Haloscreed has an Enhancement for one kastelans squad that's great

#

Doesn't necessarily need multiple squads

tired cairn
#

Yeah, Before it was the only way to have them get the army ability lol. But GW finally relented on that silliness

thin ibex
#

i did run punch bots in a more archeotech detach before, they absorbed a decent amount of aggro and then generally demolished whatever they got their hands on

thin ibex
#

are you supposed to do destroyer mobs or breacher mobs?

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feels like you vomit out more fire from destroyers

vital barn
#

I generally see 6x arc rifle breachers w/ all the buffs in the universe, but I admit I am no expert on the 10e subtleties

rocky shale
tired cairn
#

A recentish list that did well in a tournament took both

mental birch
#

Reroll hits with arc rifle good

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Though now with cawl outh it makes it even funnier

#

Now you have 2 ouths

rocky shale
#

manipulus is lethals, not rr hits

untold swallow
#

Possibly weird idea

#

Mandrakes accept strange things as payment

#

Would it be beyond the pale for my Ynnari corsair-princess to secure the extended service of a cadre of mandrakes by offering her soulstone?

rocky shale
#

Possibly yeah

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though note that soulstones arent bound to the specific person until they actually die

#

unless it already has a soul in it, then she could attune to a new one

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also Ynnari dont usually use soulstones since their souls go to ynnead

rocky shale
untold swallow
hollow laurelBOT
#

Y’know we’ve just had the recurring thought that it’s honestly strange that black templars get such front stage heading by GW

Like on the official store page for space marines you have the 9 loyalist chapters, grey knights, deathwatch, and black templars

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Which is funny because no other non-first founding chapter gets that much showcasing

quaint compass
#

Think it's because they're the only non-first founding chapter meaningfully showcased in the horus heresy, and if it's in the horus heresy, it needs to be in 40k

brittle salmon
quaint compass
#

When was that, anyway?

#

Because I have a poor grasp of releases (HH and otherwise)

brittle salmon
#

Horus Rising was first released all the way back in '06

valid brook
#

BT got their 4e codex right around that time

#

I remember that release

jaunty dawn
#

The horus heresy was pretty well established before the books started tbh

#

But yeah black templars are an og chapter, just like the crimson fists they werent made a first founding one

#

Unlike the crimson fists they had unique units and rules which means ppl want them to keep having unique units and rules

#

Rules came and went but they did generally keep crusader squads around at the least

floral herald
#

I think the thing which really catapulted them to popularity was being the face of the game in 3rd edition

#

But maybe they already were popular then

mental birch
#

Built in

thin ibex
#

Next KT is stealth suits vs wolf scouts?

#

I might actually buy the whole box

floral herald
#

Lmfao speak of the devil in this channel

floral herald
#

NEW DOG TEAM ALERT

jaunty dawn
#

xv 26 NOOOO THATS

floral herald
jaunty dawn
#

NOT WHAT THE 5 MEANS

#

AAAAAA

floral herald
#

ITS BEEN SOO LONG

jaunty dawn
#

the models are cool tho

thin ibex
#

My wallet is gonna be mad at me

#

But like

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Yeah

#

That might actually get a pre order out of me

jaunty dawn
#

swolf phobos is awesome tho

floral herald
#

Also link

jaunty dawn
#

i'm so mad. xv26. these are just revamped xv25 you can just call them that gw please

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the low profile stealth drones are really cute

#

is the lodestar like a mini coldstar

hard whale
#

It might be salvageable! The XV86 is a speedier XV8, so maybe these are just hot rodded XV25s

floral herald
#

These guys are mavericks who don’t follow the rules

#

Their suits go up to 11

jaunty dawn
#

honestly it is true to like

#

the inspiration of real world model number systems

desert jay
#

I actually can't find any coherent role associations with the last number even if I cherrypick

hard whale
#

(for context, in the XV number in Tau suits, the first number is size and the second number is role)

jaunty dawn
#

15,25,95

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the stealth commander suit is only 2 cause it's yet to be adopted

floral herald
#

N6 is just the Tau version of M2

desert jay
# jaunty dawn 15,25,95

Right I meant past stealthsuits. I guess _8 is sorta fire support? But other numbers are all over the place

floral herald
#

I’m curious how the stealth suits will play

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I’m guessing 6 fellas and 2 drones

past sphinx
#

coyotes stay winning

jaunty dawn
#

8 kinda works but then like

floral herald
#

And one of those 2.5 APL setups like Wrekas

#

3+ save and idk 10-11 wounds?

#

And I assume improved stealth in some respect (always in cover? Super cover? Super conceal?)

jaunty dawn
#

mission paramaters banning use of jetpacks cause flying is too good

#

oh the lodestar is carrying a folded up beacon

#

idk what the beacon will do though it was for guiding crisis suit deep strike

#

'co-ordinate with nearby support' artillery?

#

seeker missile from off the map?

floral herald
#

Lodestars deploy stealth-enabled homing beacons to coordinate with nearby support.

#

Maybe a mortar spotter like thing?

jaunty dawn
#

for swolfs I think the fangbearer is a helix adept but for wolf priests

#

oh there's a babby rune priest too

#

I like that they're staying true to wolf scouts by just giving them a ton of plasma

hard whale
#

nothing says silent operator like blowing yourself up with glowing blue energy!

floral herald
#

Fangbearer might also be the buppy operative

glad spear
#

More Tau chefkiss

jaunty dawn
#

his helmet is white and his wrist computron is a lot like the helix adept one

glad spear
#

More xv25 videogames

jaunty dawn
#

and he has a jar on his necklace alongside like more wolfy things

floral herald
jaunty dawn
#

oh he also has a hip computer that's similar to the apothercary

#

yeah

floral herald
#

Oh it’s a jar I thought it was a haphazard location for a krak grenade

#

That makes more sense

jaunty dawn
#

but he doesn't have the spikey bit on his wrist so I guess that's what the stone dagger is for

#

the gloves are cool

glad spear
#

Oh wait, these suits look pretty cool once it loaded properly for me

floral herald
#

I think it might be a frost blade

jaunty dawn
#

oh probably

floral herald
#

Which still makes sense for emergency power armor surgery

jaunty dawn
#

would that make it the first one actually modelled

floral herald
#

Frost blades are chain swords??

jaunty dawn
#

yeah apparently

floral herald
#

This is apparently one

image0.jpg
#

Huuuh

jaunty dawn
#

but then frost axes are just colder power axes

floral herald
#

Space wolves need to take a break from naming things oh my gosh

jaunty dawn
#

ragnars new model is still the same chainsword

#

also frost claws are just blue dreadnought ccw

glad spear
#

Also wait, they removed the normal stealth suits off the website, so I think if this is a new redesign replacement

thin ibex
#

I also like them staying true to wolf scouts wearing stripped down armor to favor their senses

floral herald
#

They’re stealthy range updates for bighammer

jaunty dawn
#

even less reason for xv26 oml

glad spear
#

I don't follow kill teams that much tbh so that's on me lol

thin ibex
#

As a note, Frost blades don't have to be chainswords iirc, I'll check later

#

But they can be

glad spear
#

Getting back into Warhammer tabletop again

floral herald
#

This seems like a good box

#

I’m not sure if I’ll go for it since I have such a backlog

#

And I have the normal Phobos

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But I dig the look of both teams

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(Usually I get seated by good rules though)

hollow laurelBOT
#

get in to KT to play stealth suits
(full) stealth suits are awful in 2nd Ed

My time has come

floral herald
#

I didn’t love the Cenopteks until I saw their funky ass rules

floral herald
#

Compelling concept so I’m glad they get to be a real team

brittle salmon
hollow laurelBOT
#

Fr. And the new minis are pretty cool. As much love as I do have for the 25s

#

They're still getting updates through end of edition and unless you're playing comp it's kinda irrelevant

Briar (They/He) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) Aren't the normal Phobos Unclassified now?

floral herald
deft crest
#

I'm legally obligated to support another space marine team.

floral herald
#

I think if I do comp stuff I wanna practice Canoptek

deft crest
#

My manager says i have to be excited when i see a dog model

#

Whats that? OFF MIC Mumble mumble mumble ah right.
They also say I can be excited to put cat ears on the tau drones.

mild glen
thin ibex
#

only thing im a little unhappy about is that like, the xv22 is somehow still experimental or a prototype

deft crest
#

lots of guns, A way to evade charges, Probably like A teleport

#

overwatch outside of the rules

#

maybe

mild glen
#

Standard Stealth Suits in bighammer are also three-blocks, and while I'm not opposed to double-size bricks for KT (I see you, Vespids), with the drones being actual models that do things, I can see more elite Suits (probably an oppressive amount of shots on the burst canons?) and paper-thin drones as a balancing act.

floral herald
deft crest
#

Savior protocols potentially

thin ibex
#

stealth teams maybe getting a fusion bomb

deft crest
#

Crossfire like shenanigans with markerlights maybe

thin ibex
#

or maybe just getting the grenades keyword in 40k

deft crest
#

I didn't look at the models did they have Fusion blasters or burst cannons

floral herald
#

For Wrekas it’s APL2 but they get an extra one if they shoot or fight

floral herald
#

2 fusion blasters but idk if they’ll get both

deft crest
#

Probably going to be the only team that could feild 2

mild glen
#

I can totally see some stupid stuff like "when firing at an enemy operative with a burst cannon, do it twice"

deft crest
#

it would line up

thin ibex
#

i feel like a fusion blaster at the standard skirmish scale is like... the final word in a fight for a stealth team

#

lore wise anyway

deft crest
#

Thats already how the meltas are

#

If you don't score at least 1 melta kill you've made a mistake

floral herald
#

There’s a fair few teams with 1.5 melta guns so 2 wouldn’t be crazy

thin ibex
#

iirc, rules aside, burst cannons are kind of like HB in that they are effective against a lot of targets

floral herald
#

Especially with a team which probably has no real melee presence

deft crest
#

yeag

#

They might get a Slight less amount of dev wounds

#

like dev 3 instead of 4

mild glen
#

Melee? That's putting my gun barrel in OpFor's face when I pull the trigger, right?

deft crest
#

Me when i'm a dwarf and my shotgun has a good choke on it

thin ibex
#

I just mean that like a melta gun used against a guy is effectively just using a person eraser 5000, rather than hitting the hull of an armored target

jaunty dawn
floral herald
#

Pathfinders get a shoot while engaged firefight ploy which I could see coming in

jaunty dawn
#

but a generic stealth commander would be cool

floral herald
#

But Pathfinders also have a Melee Guy

deft crest
#

I don't want to see ANY Models that are considered old style elite in KT

thin ibex
#

tbf hes kind of just "the one guy that figured out melee"

deft crest
#

You can't take me back

mild glen
#

Do they, though?

deft crest
#

I won't go

floral herald
hollow laurelBOT
#

Kinda hoping that these can be a 40k HQ like the raveners are

Pennywen ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161696278640594954 message) but a generic stealth commander would be cool

floral herald
#

Heck I had my Breacher melta bomb a goat last night haha

thin ibex
#

lol

deft crest
mild glen
deft crest
#

My KT games are tonight (ideally)

floral herald
#

Other player didn’t put enough melee pressure on me and got bottled up

thin ibex
#

im curious as to what a generic stealth commander would give a stealth team. Maybe a built in redeploy?

deft crest
#

Yeah i figured, I was really looking at that plasmagun and thinking

#

WOW blast 1 you say?

#

just mean

#

i think the plasma should be excluded from that rule

#

but

#

thats just bias

#

Anyway WOOO MORE DOGS IN KILL TEAM

floral herald
#

The HPI is a completely fucked gun

thin ibex
#

i wanna do wolf scouts vs farstalkers, thats like a narrative dream combat

floral herald
#

My Storm Lords plasma gunner basically solo-controlled the middle of the map with guard actions

thin ibex
#

hunter v hunter

deft crest
#

Yeah

#

guarding with any gunner is just

#

So mean with no real counterplay other than meatgrinding

floral herald
#

And he was next to my “come and take it” banner I put near the middle objective

#

So I actually maxed out my tac op

deft crest
#

I'm not looking forward to me potentially fighting them with my bugs but I remain resolute

thin ibex
#

im not super familiar with the current KT, can you not just shoot the guarding target?

deft crest
#

You get shot first if you are a legal target after you move

#

so depends

floral herald
#

And this was vs Fellgore

#

Who have autopistols

thin ibex
#

ah, what are fellgores good at? board coverage generally/melee pressure??

floral herald
#

Both really

deft crest
#

More often than not, If you don't have silent you get your head blown off by a gunner thats readying a shot

floral herald
#

They’re devastating in melee and impossible to 1 shot

tired cairn
#

I find it funny when Kill Teams have off-map support weapons in the inside kill zones. If the homing beacon is for that, I guess the stealth suits are calling in one incredibly impressive bunker-buster missile

thin ibex
#

proooobably not a bunker buster xD they're still in the AO

floral herald
thin ibex
#

but a seeker maybe

#

or sniper support

deft crest
#

Yeah lol I'm a fan of rogue traders too

floral herald
#

They have some fellas at the entrance with a launcher

deft crest
#

Metal gear missle noises

tired cairn
jaunty dawn
#

mortar amount of spall

deft crest
#

"Helmsman, Fire the laser"
"Yes my lord!"

thin ibex
#

is the rogue trader kt just like "my ship is going to shoot you" tactics?

#

are they decent?

tired cairn
#

It has that yeah

deft crest
#

They are uh, Interesting.

#

Hard to tell

#

I haven't seen a single game with em but they have a varied list of choices

tired cairn
#

The guardsman veteran KT also has a bomber run thing iirc. But no one uses that because the extra bodies were better

deft crest
#

Mortars with krieg rule

#

because silent AND blast

#

and for flavor the dude has a stopwatch

#

which is so fucking hot

floral herald
#

You get a shooting freak, a melee freak, a general freak, a top tier medic (best in the game until recently) a puppy, and some Fellas who can spot for the ship

deft crest
#

I love scheduled walking artillery

tired cairn
#

It is so funny that they get "a watch" as an equipment choice

deft crest
#

Krieg are so fun i'm kinda mad they are getting declassified

tired cairn
#

Especially since it implies watches are both nonstandard for everyone else and also kind of rare lol

floral herald
deft crest
#

being able to properly swarm and objective an have plenty of while not lethal shots, very difficult traps you can set up and bait with

floral herald
#

They’re also tricky to pilot against since anyone could be holding this

image0.jpg
tired cairn
#

I know why it's silent, but it's still funny that the orbital laser bombardment gets the tag

#

Does it have some blast-like rule built in? Because that's an incredibly precise orbital laser otherwise

floral herald
#

That one is the incredibly precise orbital laser

deft crest
#

I think there is a blast variant though?

tired cairn
#

I guess that's why it is archeaotech

floral herald
#

This is the full list

image0.jpg
#

You only get each one once and only 1 of any of them a turning point

deft crest
#

Yeah they get like 3 versions of a blast weapon

#

maccrocannon is really useful

tired cairn
#

Ok, these are all hilariously precise given what a macrocannon or plasma battery is

deft crest
#

micro macrocannon

quaint compass
#

its aiming serf has the highest accolade of his crew-tribe. They have hit twice in their lifetime.

floral herald
#

I’ll also note that in general most of the kill teams are at least decent

#

I think the ones who are struggling right now are Kasrkin, Pathfinders, and Death Korps

#

There’s some others who are struggling but I think it’s just trouble adapting to the meta not inherent KT problems

#

(Scouts and Exaction and Hearthkyn)

deft crest
#

Kasirkin need to be faster

#

More movement from their stuff

#

imo

#

I have to be fast to properly hunt elite units

#

but they have what, 7 inchs AFTER using your faction rule?

#

for not a lot of models

pastel rampart
deft crest
floral herald
#

If you think about the Deathwatch is basically a Hotbro organization for the chapters

deft crest
#

"Brother will you help me with the sacred oils for my armor"

floral herald
#

This is an extremely funny breakdown

upper bluff
#

Sisters of battle is the funniest to me

#

Like what do you mean prolife and cocaine

deft crest
#

Emp fists having a big trans following makes sense to me.

#

Emp fist is very queer hot take

sour sequoia
#

TRUEST GSC REPRESENTATION

pale narwhal
#

Waking up to new stealthsuits is a pleasant surprise

Wonder if the datasheet will change much if at all

rocky shale
#

GK is craaaazy

floral herald
#

I’m really unsurprised that GSC is the horniest one

#

They are the horniest faction

marsh tree
#

That’s going in the book

deft crest
#

They were hard to spot in the crowd grintheja

marsh tree
#

🖕

thin ibex
#

someone correct me, the Emp Fists are like, even amongst the space marines, bolter freaks right?

floral herald
#

Yeah

thin ibex
#

like exceptionally skilled with bolters even amongst marines?

untold swallow
#

holy shit the wolf scouts have a rune priest

thin ibex
#

a skald no less

#

baby rune priest

#

legend teller

untold swallow
#

I'm gonna steal his fuckin head for my chief librarian

thin ibex
#

im so happy for wolf scout rep

pastel rampart
#

They build their tactics around it. Very disciplined ranks of gunfire that never break; combine this with fortification mastery and they're very good at making kill lanes to funnel enemies into and obliterate with mass bolter fire.

untold swallow
#

Basically think the tactics during the Siege of Vienna but in space and that's

#

That's the Fists

thin ibex
#

so if im playing thematically into bolters imperial fists, i dont want to bring hellblasters, i want to bring heavy intercessors who just have bigger bolters

#

an onslaught gatling cannon does NOT count as a bolter in the eyes of the emperor and the mechanicus right?

untold swallow
#

I mean

#

They're more Firepower Freaks than Bolter Freaks in specific

#

I would expand it to be like

#

most bullet-shaped projectiles and explosives

#

Probably not a lot of plasma (reliability issues), melta (too close range), or flamer (same reason)

upper bluff
#

Yeah I would use rockets too

#

And yeah onslaught Gatling cannon sounds like an assault cannon not a bolter

jaunty dawn
#

Its n assault cannon but imp fists were one of the two chapters that invented those so

#

Or tested or whatever

untold swallow
#

If the new KT turns out to be a refresh for both stealth suits and wolf scouts, I'm gonna be mad the wolves have a magic scout and nobody else does

jaunty dawn
#

They used to have anti magic scouts

#

There is also the phobos librarian?

#

He used to have his own sneaky discipline haha

thin ibex
#

tbf, almost everyone else's scouts are trainees and neophytes. Wolves are explicitly known to have veteran elites as their scouts

#

you dont get to be a scout until you're past being a blood claw

#

and you're selected out for being a loner and a cold blooded killer

#

so a pack of wolf scouts is more likely to have support from a veteran space wolf who is also a rune priest in training than your average space marine scout squad

floral herald
#

I wonder if wolf scouts will be a 5+ buppy team

#

The 5 member teams are fun

#

But Phobos are a little fragile for it

#

So I could see them being a 5+ dog team

thin ibex
#

id expect them to be on the fragile side of space marines, but with a number of tricks

#

also probably a little glass cannon-y in melee

floral herald
#

Phobos are usually 12 wounds but the fancy ones are 13

thin ibex
#

noting that wolf scouts dont even wear full armor

hard whale
#

Well, they didn't, before phobos was an option. Now it seems like the leader is the only one with his guns out

thin ibex
#

theyre much more analagous to a traditional spec ops team irl, in that they are often left to their own devices to sow terror and disruption behind enemy lines on their own initiative and without support or direct communications

untold swallow
#

Still trying to figure out what an ynnari corsair-princess could pay a mandrake with lmao

main pagoda
#

slaves or something more esoteric

hard whale
#

they're very unseelie-themed, so maybe a firstborn child?

main pagoda
#

they are DE at the end of the day

untold swallow
#

I am admittedly trying for the more esoteric end of things

untold swallow
#

Is gonna have some

#

interesting implications

thin ibex
#

ynnari right? could try and involve death somehow

untold swallow
#

I was gonna have her offer up her soulstone

#

But here someone said ynnari often don't have soulstones

#

and in another server someone said if they did, they wouldn't give it up for like

#

20 mandrakes

#

I could have it be 'the cry' of your firstborn child...

hard whale
#

well, maybe she used to have a soulstone and the Mandrakes don't know she wasn't planning on using it any more

untold swallow
#

With the implication being congrats, you've made your first child a mute

#

I mean sure, but then the Mandrakes are like

#

Stupid

#

Cuz ynnari often not using soulstones would be a known fact eventually

hard whale
#

Mandrakes do literally live under a rock. They don't understand this newfangled Ynnari thing

untold swallow
#

I think I've settled on 'the cry of your firstborn child'

hard whale
#

I'm joking though, that "first cry" thing is really neat

thin ibex
#

mandrakes are pretty like, enigmatic arent they?

#

as far as what drives them, the things theyd actually want?

floral herald
#

They don’t got internet in Aelindrach

untold swallow
#

However sometimes Mandrakes will demand more unusual payments such as a treasured memory, a heartbeat, a true and secret name, and other odd esoteric ephemera.

#

The more normative payment for one-off jobs is just

#

slaves

thin ibex
#

"I want your true and secret name"

Hmm, but dont tell anyone ok? It's... Butt Stallion
"What? Seriously?"
It's secret for a reason.

untold swallow
#

oh also their skirt hakama things?

#

deldar skin

floral herald
#

True names are not something you wanna give up haha

untold swallow
#

they wear those who don't pay them

floral herald
#

Maybe the others are also bad

#

But you can get into all sorts of trouble that way

untold swallow
#

Yeah

#

The leader of these mandrakes was tempted to ask for a true name

#

But like

#

'This is an Anhrathe seer, she'll know what that means'

#

but god mandrakes are so fucking cool

#

will never forgive gw for removing ynnari's ability to field them

hollow laurelBOT
#

Hmm, oddly tempted to make a theoretical list for like, loyalist death guard but 40K. As in painted up as loyalist death guard.

Anyone know what space marine chapter would fit best if we wanted to actually field them?

upper canopy
#

Fists?

hollow laurelBOT
#

We’re leaning imperial fists yeah

vital barn
#

Fists or Sallies, probably

#

30k DG are big on alchem-flamers and being tanky as well as massed infantry assault

hollow laurelBOT
#

nod nod

We’ve had this vague idea for a while. It originally started out as “use the 30k models for 40K death guard” since if we’re being honest the aesthetic of nurlge-guard just isn’t our thing

vital barn
#

looking at the 10e Space Marine rules, I think Sallies does more Death Guard stuff, since they hit all those themes, whereas the Fists detachment is all about first company Terminator/Vet stuff

#

ah wait, Anvil Siege Force, yeah, both work here

hollow laurelBOT
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Will look at both then!

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We’ve been out of the loop for army building and missed a couple updates here and there

vital barn
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I suppose there's nothing stopping you grabbing the Sallies unique characters in an Anvil Siege Force but I have no idea if it's good

hollow laurelBOT
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Like the uh, entire release of new space wolves

vital barn
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the formation rule being "everyone stand still" is odd, because 30k DG have always been about steadily marching forward while keeping up the fire with heavy weapons, they do the exact opposite

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but obviously pick for vibes

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Forgefathers' Seekers would be my pick but obviously it depends on taste

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I'm pondering 30k Loyalist DG right now and man do they do chem-flamers well

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12 alchem-flamers melt any infantry unit they get a good angle on

sour sequoia
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Sallies detach fucks immensely

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I have not lost to it at a tourney yet but also thats just because I have too many TSons reps on GSC and respect flamers appropriately

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It is an insanely punchy list

mystic trellis
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Rogue Trader TTRPG update: The station's mechanicus is won over to my cause and we're going to overthrow the local planetary-governor nobility equivalents. They offered command of their skitarii, enginseers, and tactical control of the station's powergrid. :D

rocky shale
mystic trellis
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Of all the factions we've been coordinating with, this is certainly the biggest ace to have in my opinion. Yeah we've got the local Imperial Navy detachment, yeah we've got some of the seedy underbelly factions, yeah we've got one of the ecclesiarch cults. But of all of those, only the cogboys can just turn off power and siphon air from the opposition's station wing.

untold swallow
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mmmmpsyker aspect warriors

hollow laurelBOT
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hold on that's a terrible format

Vulkan He'stan (100pts): Bolt Pistol, Gauntlet of the Forge, Spear of Vulkan, Warlord
Apothecary Biologis (85pts): Forged in Battle, Absolver Bolt Pistol, Close combat weapon
Captain in Gravis Armour (105pts): War-tempered Artifice, Boltstorm Gauntlet, Powerfist, and Relic weapon Fist, Boltstorm Gauntlet, Power Fist, Relic Fist
Librarian (75pts): Immolator, Bolt pistol, Force Weapon, Smite

5x Heavy Intercessor Squad (100pts)

6x Aggressor Squad (200pts)
4x Company Heroes (105pts)
6x Eradicator Squad (200pts)
10x Infernus Squad (180pts)
5x Infernus Squad (90pts)
5x Infernus Squad (90pts)
5x Terminator Assault Squad (180pts)
Land Raider Redeemer (270pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter-killer missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon
Storm Speeder Hammerstrike (125pts): Close combat weapon, Hammerstrike Missile Launcher, 2x Krakstorm Grenade Launcher, Melta Destroyer```
thin ibex
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Being silly

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Between oath of moment, the hailstrike, lethals, and incursor benefit, volume fire can probably do a lot of work.

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The outriders are mostly blockers/utility business than actually killer pieces

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Obviously not a competetive list, but its a good volume of fire

pale narwhal
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yeah that's a solid, solid volume of fire

anvil does require sitting still to be any use but you have enough infantry you can conceivably sit on points

thin ibex
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the macro strat is the outriders need to buy time for infantry to get into position and then just sit and shoot for as long as possible

floral herald
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Wolf beam?

cinder wraith
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long

pale narwhal
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could be like. a blizzard of some sort blocking line of sight or granting obscuring or something

floral herald
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That’s probably it

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But I can hope

pastel rampart
thin ibex
floral herald
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Ok so

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Canoptek Circle is crazy

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Won 19 to 4

mild glen
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Okay, gang.
Let's say I have the funds to buy one (1) Killzone and currently have none.

It's Volkus, right? I should buy Volkus?

rocky shale
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FDM printer

pale narwhal
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if you don't have the inclination to get a 3d printer, volkus is probably the one to go for

brittle salmon
floral herald
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Volkus is really good

rocky shale
floral herald
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Tomb World is also pretty solid but it’ll be a while before you can buy it on its own

pale narwhal
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FDM is also much less like. cleanup and uses much less hazardrous materials

brittle salmon
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I'd rather use Resin and be able to multitask models/terrain

floral herald
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Bheta Decima is weird

brittle salmon
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FDM for models is dogshit

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let's be real

floral herald
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Honestly unless the STL is really good I’d kinda lean on whatever is cheapest for volkus

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It’s a big ass terrain set

pale narwhal
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FDM is getting a lot better for models

If you want to do models you want resin, though, yeah

for terrain though? a good fdm printer is probably the most cost-effective, and you don't have to deal with resin (which requires its own whole cleanup and curing setup, along with disposing of and handling resin)

brittle salmon
rocky shale
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FDM with a 0.2 nozzle on modern printers with the right settings can work for a lot of models

floral herald
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FDM printers also usually need less care and feeding which is nice for big ass terrain

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The volkus sculpts are also very nice I will note

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So if you like the hobby aspect it’s a nice project in and of itself

floral herald
pale narwhal
# brittle salmon Oh really?

a local guy I know got some really surprisingly nice results printing some raveners, from tabletop distance you can't tell they're printed, pretty much

desert jay
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I think of this vid a bunch (the thumbnail is sarcastic/mocking)

mild glen
# rocky shale FDM printer

This is unhelpful: I do not have the space, ventilation, or desire for a 3d printer, much less the upkeep costs and learning time associated with such

desert jay
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And this is by a guy who owns and loves his resin printer for models

desert jay
pale narwhal
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if you have no desire or space for a printer, 100% volkus

floral herald
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Tomb World is really nice but I think Volkus is better

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I think it’s better than Gallowdark (without extras) but I haven’t had a lot of close games on it

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So I think it’s swingy and can exacerbate bad matchups

pale narwhal
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it's less lane-y from what I know of gallowdark. The breaches can really punish teams that have 2apl and no breaching operatives

tranquil ivy
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JUST A QUICK MESSAGE

PLAY CRUSADE

stark cypress
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Dark Crusade?

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Dam

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That's a name I haven't heard in years

floral herald
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Kinda just to see who has no access

tranquil ivy
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i havent tried it yet but holy shit

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its so peak

stark cypress
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There's a new game mode?

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What's next? Gothic coming back?

tired cairn
rocky shale
tranquil ivy
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like

you just announce "yea im stomping on these guys" for free

floral herald
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Or just like, fucking it up worse than the other player

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Otherwise there tends to be hotly contested rooms and whoever can win that contest tends to take over the game

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It can easily be like, impossible to come back from getting “locked out” of a key room by guard actions

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I think it’s also important to make a strong side and weak side with your deployment and kinda flood a flank of the map

rocky shale
pale narwhal
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I had a really close game vs deathwatch on tombworld the other day, you definitely need to focus on a flank (unfortunately for me the flank I didn't choose, the deathwatch player had their aegis sit on a planted banner for the whole game)

also made some minor positioning mistakes and whiffed a critical roll at the end (a single extra hit or crit would have killed a marksman and netted me a point on kill op, denied kill op for the other player, and also left my technoarchaeologist alive to score like... five points for me at the end of the game

tranquil ivy
brittle salmon
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I gotta give Aquilons a try

rocky shale
humble plover
floral herald
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Who were you playing?

pale narwhal
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battleclade

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I did blunder my underseer and meltagun (though the melta traded for a marine, so that was solid), which probably contributed to losing the game

learnt a lot, made some good plays, final score didn't show how close the game was (it would have gone from a 16-5 loss to a 14-14 tie, we played out the last turning point as if I'd killed her marksman and it was very different)

floral herald
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Oh shit that is close

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Amazing comeback to avert the 16-5

pale narwhal
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I used the covert guises equipment to swap out my meltagun to be able to trade for a marine rather than just die, which was nice

and also switched my arc and heavy bolter around when I saw an objective wasn't being contested

I rushed up my breacher once he'd breached all he needed to in order to force a trade (either I shot a second time with my arc rifle and killed his marksman, or my breacher got to shoot and shredded a frag cannon gravis guy) (I didn't kill his marksman due to him deciding to shoot my arc rifle, which made him injured, but I did get the kill with the breacher and forced his sergeant to teleport-pad over to stop me from doing shenanigans)

pale narwhal
# floral herald Amazing comeback to avert the 16-5

it was the new 'data' mission, so I would have repositioned as a strat gambit, scored 2 from the crit op, picked up a retrieval marker for another 2, denied him getting 3 on the crit op, gone up a kill grade, denied a kill grade, denied him getting a better kill grade than me, and gained a kill grade

if I'm remembering right

floral herald
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Ah that makes sense

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You can have huge swings on Data

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Since there’s often like 6+ points available for the Taking

pale narwhal
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but no, I rolled 1, 1, 2, 2, for my technoarchaeologist shooting into his marksman, had ceaseless, rerolled into a 5 and another 2, used 2 cp and got a hit and a 1 on the reroll which put his marksman on 1hp

I did get fairly good scoring on primary in general, which was nice- my opponent just got an uncontested 6vp for tac op, 5 crit op, and a solid kill grade

I am learning tho. for my fourth ever killteam game it definitely wasn't bad (my third I kinda crushed my buddies' raveners due to getting a TP1 kill on an unfortunately-exposed venomspitter)

floral herald
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Ouch that hurts losing a snake TP1

sonic hare
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I love this weapon. it's so silly

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rocky shale
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just dont miss

floral herald
pale narwhal
# floral herald Ouch that hurts losing a snake TP1

I did offer to let him takeback the move (he didn't realise my heavy bolter could get a line from where he'd positioned, an inch forward or back and he would have been in heavy cover) but he said it was a lesson he needed to learn

pale narwhal
floral herald
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Yeah it’s almost worth abandoning so they’re stuck guarding it

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But it’s also 6-9 VPs if you don’t

pale narwhal
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yep

both my heavy guns were half the board away locked behind at least a breach, the banner was with the aegis in an uncontested room with the door closed, and I just couldn't do anything

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I will say something you can do that's kinda funny is that you can open breach points with the breacher or meltagun and then use the faction equipment to swap them with flamers or other servitors TP2 because the TW breach action is a mission action not on their datasheet

The 'swap any number of servitors with each other TP2' equipment seems really nice for TW in particular

floral herald
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Definitely

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Positioning is so key in TW

pale narwhal
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5" move hurts

especially when you get one objective blocked off with two light barricades so you can't get to them even with the most aggressive positioning TP2

(my opponent is a very good player, like top 3 in my city, and is graciously helping me learn and practice for the killteam league I'm in)

floral herald
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Nice

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I got extremely screwed as Battleclade by the chronomine Heirotek gets

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Screaming

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pale narwhal
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yep that's bruuutal

tired cairn
floral herald
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Probably better since the KT24 Gallowdark maps have no scatter terrain

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So there’s never any cover in rooms

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I think a lot of it is the constrained movement making it insanely important to move just right

jaunty dawn
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Well barricades still exist but yeah its odd

mental birch
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Annoyed at stealth suits becoming 5 a unit

pastel rampart
glad spear
vital barn
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< Acknowledged, > Mitranda replied, hefting their weapons. They all slowed, unwilling to charge headlong into an unknown situation.
< Magos Addenbrow, if you have any form of personal protective equipment about your person, I suggest you equip it. >
< As you say, secutor, > Addenbrow replied. A whirring noise emanated from within their robes, and a sharp-nosed barrel emerged up from behind their right shoulder, then pivoted forwards to bring the rest of the sizeable weapon into view.
< Interrogative: what is that? > Zaefa asked in astonishment.
< It is a miniaturised lascannon, > Addenbrow replied, as a targeting device dropped over their right ocular implant. < It lacks a little of the punch and range of the Mars Mk VII, but I find it quite adequate for most circumstances. >
....

< In my experience, there are very few hostile threats that can’t be at least partially resolved by the judicious application of a lascannon, > Addenbrow said, with the faintest air of self-satisfaction. < As such, I keep one about my person whenever I may be entering into a potentially unsafe situation. >

I love techpriests

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the local biologist's concealed carry is a bit larger than normal

west zealot
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It keeps coming up

vital barn
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a lascannon to the face probably will kill most orks, there are worse ideas against a species that just keeps getting more durable with age

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Brutal Kunnin was pretty decent, I had fun

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a better Admech showing than most but still heavily leaning on "they're all a bunch of morons, so they never actually use any of their cool stuff/it's trivialised by plot-tech or scrapcode" which is getting really old

stark cypress
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"Oh fuck. That's an Ork."

"LASCANNON! GET THE FRAKKING LASCANNON OVER HERE NOW!"

west zealot
stark cypress
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When in doubt, always blame the mechanicus.

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Always blame them

vital barn
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oh, "we were too busy with hubris and infighting" is absolutely their main factional flaw but they also haven't gotten a W in maybe ten years now

west zealot
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Looking for that in an Orks book seems silly =p

stark cypress
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ORKS DA BEST!!!!!

vital barn
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the big Admech vs Death Guard campaign book involved the Mech getting stomped in ten seconds, losing a forge world and all the named techpriest characters and then being bailed out by Space Marines and Sisters

west zealot
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(and fwiw, the compent ones really to pull off a good showing in my opinion)

stark cypress
vital barn
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this is about representative

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and yeah, I liked the book, it was a lot better than average and had many fun techpriests

stark cypress
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Techpriests in Cain books are hated

vital barn
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but I am bored of losing now, I would like to win a battle for once, maybe even one that isn't the Mech on the defensive and thus results in a wrecked forge world regardless of what happens

stark cypress
west zealot
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I know people had similar complaints about the drukhari in The Big Dakka, but again, I feel like it's missing some beats

west zealot
vital barn
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there were two consecutive Knights books where all the techpriests were one-tapped by plot device EMP, they introduced a giant pile of cool mechanicum stuff in Master of Mankind and then had them turn traitor and walk off into the webway where they all died, after the cool archmagos battleframe was casually possessed and killed as phase one of the boss fight before doing anything

stark cypress
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I want Cain to be in a different regiment just for plot reasons.

vital barn
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they had a whole plotline of "the mech have found a webway path to Mars" and then it's negated by simply saying "no they didn't, they walk into a hole to the warp and all of them explode, just to make absolutely sure they never had a chance to do a damn thing"

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I am getting bored of being limited by incompetence rather than arrogance

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you know I never had a problem with the Cain books, Felicia Tayber is cool and I don't recall them ever getting worfed

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they do the standard dug too deep too greedily plotline like four times but that's just kind of how necrons and genestealers work

stark cypress
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Yeah

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And Cain went "I'm taking control of this situation because you're all idiots except for that guy" in that book.

vital barn
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like, Brutal Kunnin, 8/10 warhammer book, good time, why is this the best showing the Mechanicus have ever gotten outside of two books about Titans

stark cypress
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Don't you know, Misc? GW wants dem beaky gitz to be the fancy flash boyz.

vital barn
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the standard structure of an Admech appearance is "here's some really cool characters doing cool stuff... oh, a drop pod landed on them and their forge world exploded from the feedback, somehow"

stark cypress
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Every time

vital barn
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it's not even space marines most of the time, which is what irks me

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they do fine against Marines in Wolfsbane and the Schism of Mars, even if those both involve Magic Scrapcode disabling all the mechanicus forces yet again

floral herald
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I think Know No Fear was guilty of it with the weird prolonged scrapcode thing

vital barn
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know no fear wasn't that bad, since the Ultras were getting their arses just as kicked and the Mechanicum fight back just as well as the blue boys do

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they actually manage to solve the scrapcode

spice flicker
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Trying to help a friend with a SoB 2000 pts list. Thoughts on this?

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floral herald
vital barn
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the one permissible instance of magic scrapcode, since it does a very defined thing, is extensively set up and is actually addressed as something they had countermeasures against

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but I think at this point I can think of more books where almost all the Mechanicus get mind controlled or deactivated by the opposition than ones in which they don't

stark cypress
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I just want one guard book without any of the named regiments.

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Or at least a Chem Dog book

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Like if the Dragoons can get one because of that one thing in Ghosts.

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Then the Chem Dogs should get one.

floral herald
stark cypress
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Yeah, and they don't publish the Ghosts books anymore!

floral herald
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After 16 of them and 20 years I think that is ok

stark cypress
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Well, it's more that they don't publish the omni's anymore. Because my copies spine ripped.

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Just went rip rip rip one day.

spice flicker
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I think Necropolis was one of my favorite gaunt ghosts books

vital barn
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Full-length books where most or all of the Mechanicus get scrapcoded/possessed/otherwise chumped:

  • Kingsblade
  • Knightsblade
  • That one Cain book with the GSC techpriests
  • Wolfsbane
  • Mechanicum
  • That one Iron Hands book where they get slaanesh corrupted
  • Know No Fear
  • Skitarii/Tech-Priest duology
  • Cybernetica
  • Forge of Mars (cool netrunning duel, though)
  • Master of Mankind (x2)
  • Day of Ascension
  • Death of Integrity
  • Anarch
  • Vainglorious
  • Carcharodons: Void Exile
  • Renegades: Harrowmaster
  • Assassinorum Kingmaker

Most of the Mechanicus don't:

  • Brutal Kunning
  • Twice-Dead King
  • The old Skitarii in Titanicus
  • Cawl (almost his entire retinue is Space Marines, no cool admech moments here outside him personally)
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they very much have One Plot here

sour sequoia
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misc I love you but citing idiot ball in 40k is incredible

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Entire setting is idiot dodgeball

vital barn
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it is more idiot ball than normal because it spent sixty pages setting up the fact they knew what they were doing and then deleted that with "nah, they actually didn't" in one paragraph and followed it with a Mechanicum Stepping On Rakes montage

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end of that subplot

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a quite well written montage, at least, but still

desert jay
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Also like it sucks when the AdMech get chumped in AdMech books more often than they get solid Ws

sour sequoia
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Oh for sure

vital barn
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some of those books are actually decent, I really like Know No Fear and Wolfsbane is a solid 6/10, but I would like to see the Mechanicus (not Titans, the Mechanicus) engage in a fight without someone casually hitting the off switch more than once

raw vessel
vital barn
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yes

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although in a more reasonable way than normal

pastel rampart
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It's always funny when looking through STLs people have made for 40k stuff because you run into things like the SKULL CHAPLAIN:

vital barn
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I am counting any and all instances of "the mechanicus forces are casually swept out of the plot by some form of mind control/magic deactivating field"

desert jay
vital barn
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part of it is that they're always on the defensive or deploying some kind of big flashy infrastructure (Imperator Titan, Ark Mechanicus) and those need to be disabled somehow for the plot to be interesting, but the writers have zero imagination and as such there are barely any instances of those things doing anything useful whatsoever

pastel rampart
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I am sorely tempted to have my friend print this one out because like, c'mon SKULL CHAPLAIN.

floral herald
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Know No Fear is a funny one for me too since it has an errent adjective which leads to the most extreme space marine speed feat ever written

vital barn
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is this yet another "extremely small modifer of -second is not taken as hyperbole" thing

floral herald
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yeah

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there's a scene where a bunch of space marines realize they're enemies and draw their guns in a matter of nanoseconds

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Indicating relativistic movement speeds and lightspeed reaction times

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"nano-" should be taken away from sci-fi writers until they demonstrate they know what it implies

vital barn
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I like to imagine that the scifi-has-no-sense-of-scale thing just shifts all numbers a few prefixes downward

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so the planetary armies are measured in thousands of guys and the fast reactions are picoseconds or whatever

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certainly way more common than accidentally giving a really high number, although it does happen

floral herald
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lmao

vital barn
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40k powerscaling is fun to watch, at least, in the same way that insect colonies are very pretty but I generally don't want to shove my face in there

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I think my favourite one is "demon makes a solar-system-wide wall of bones as part of a warp storm, Sanguinius beats him, Primarchs are multi-Solar-System level and as such can facetank lance strikes"

fossil violet
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Is killteam a good entry point to 40k as far as starting out with a group of minis and scaling upward or does it not really translate

sour sequoia
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Sorta kinda but not really unless you really really wanna play imperial agents

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But then you’re buying 6 copies of a bunch of random ass kill teams

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A lot of Killteams feel like their greater faction/their role in their greater faction so if you find one you like its a good way to know you might wanna expand on em

floral herald
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A number of the teams are good parts of a larger army

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But you'll still need way more non-killteam fellas for bighammer

desert jay
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Battletech is funny because you have mechs that're like 10 meters tall and almost as wide, and weigh less than a modern MBT

floral herald
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I am curious what unit gets screwed up the most now

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density is a common one

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It almost makes sense with having 40k ships have like the same density as foam

vital barn
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density is a classic one

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Honor Harrington had ships that were about as dense as cigar smoke

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then the author resized all of them to try to make it make sense rather than changing the stated masses, and broke everything else because now the ships were something like 300% missile by volume

floral herald
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just make them heavier omg

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no one cares about mass in space

desert jay
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I could be an issue where you've talked about the stated tonnages much more than you've talked about the length

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Esp if you've been thinking about them in comparison to 20th century warships

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So changing the length is, in theory, much easier

floral herald
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they were in uhhh Manticore Tons

sour sequoia
floral herald
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I can buy that

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Gets mentioned a lot more than density

vital barn
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density is generally implied, yeah

stark cypress
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Besides my relic hunting

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I bought the toy soldiers that the Guard hate.

pale narwhal
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The scions are a great kit tbh

stark cypress
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I want to get more of them

pale narwhal
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They’re great both standard and for kitbashing

jaunty dawn
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I need to get back to kitbashing them with the tempestus bodies

floral herald
desert jay
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This was a cool vid