Warhammer and Such

[runic swallow]

Krieg in French horizon blue looks pretty good too tho

[white mural]

Later known as the social credit party of Great Britain

An anti imperialist version of the Boy Scouts

[runic swallow]

Huh

[white mural]

They ended up fighting Mosley

[runic swallow]

I’d like to stay and talk about historical influences in 40k more but unfortunately I gotta go

[white mural]

😞

[floral herald]

Warhammer is kind of a weird setting because it has a fair amount of fetish gear aesthetic stuff but it’s really not a very horny setting

And it’s next to the minis community which is WAY hornier

[past sphinx]

The ol frank frazetta shimmy

[thin ibex]

I think Blanche was painting em that way even before Inquisitor

[floral herald]

I am not sure if he was

I know Blanche drew some DCA but I think they were concept art for Inquisitor

Like this

“Bathorite Death Cultist” goes hard

[thin ibex]

It's hard to find dates on a lot of the stuff

[white mural]

Shush evrudi

[thin ibex]

But I know the stylings have always kind of been there

[white mural]

I love that genestealers have some of the baddest female models uwu

[thin ibex]

Like SoB have pretty much always been Battle Nuns in 7 inch platform heels

[floral herald]

It’s really funny honestly

[floral herald]

Oh yeah I’m just talking about DCA as a general concept

[white mural]

We got the saboteur, beenefictus, Jamal alphas, and magus I just wish our units had some women laborers

[past sphinx]

I've always been partial to escher

[finite compass]

Escher Good

[uneven ember]

they rule

I had a whole list of names for Escher gangsters that were all stupid music jokes
like the leader was Blackheart Joan

[finite compass]

This is unironically the best sort of Necromunda naming convention

[uneven ember]

had Hellcat Aimee, VII-L, Patty the Warrior...

Allisyn Chaynes

[south axle]

I go with female video game chara's for my Escher

[floral herald]

This rules

[valid brook]

Mad Donna

[white mural]

Humana Humana Humana

[runic swallow]

It’s kinda sad Frazetta never did any 40k art to my knowledge

[rocky shale]

I love sorting through horny models while looking for proxies /s

[finite compass]

The aesthetic has definitely always been there

Especially with some of the Blanche art

[mental birch]

wow this is amcient

[finite compass]

2e aesthetic is best aesthetic and I will not be taking questions

[uneven ember]

Erika's whole "Primaris-scale 2nd Ed Marines" project is gold

[mental birch]

Hahaha yeah

[finite compass]

Right down to the Goblin Green base

I still can't fuck with the new colors, even though it's been how long?

My brain still defaults to like 'Goblin Green' or 'Red Gore' or Vomit Brown'

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/Kpcql/4ae344a4da.jpg

Eisenhorn be like:

goddamn I love your retro ultras

Clean as a whistle.

[finite compass]

"Okay, so they're killing people and collecting Blood for the Blood Emperor, but that's still one hundred percent in keeping with the teachings of the Ecclesiarchy and not Heresy whatsoever. The catsuits make them extra pure. Do not question."

[uneven ember]

"they're wearing skulls on everything." "okay." "they're talking about how the only joy is devotion and the only devotion is death." "okay."

[misty violet]

Well theyve gotta be able to successfully perform surgery at least

[runic swallow]

Wearing skulls would barely get you a glance in the imperium, it’s one of the major state and religious symbols

[floral herald]

Now bunny ears though

[past sphinx]

oh shit the EC have proper beakys to match the armor

i need like 6 of those

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah its pretty cool

[valid brook]

Mk 6 supremacy imho

[jaunty dawn]

The backpacks are the new style mk6 too

[past sphinx]

these guys are gonna be prefect to break of the legionares kits in an army

i could see combining them with berserker bodies getting some interesting looks

[finite compass]

I'm still very much of the opinion they should make the pink more vibrant

EC should be gaudy as hell

[thin ibex]

I miss glam rock EC

With jaguar pattern armor paint, rainbow mowhawks, and electric guitar bolters

[soft willow]

Nothing is stopping you from 3d printing parts for that.

[thin ibex]

Very very true

Ok more khorne hearted than ec anyway though

I'm*

[past sphinx]

its weird they almost look like flawless host

witch is a dope ass warband scheme

[uneven ember]

we lost our way when they stopped making sonic blasters look like electric guitars

[uneven ember]

hell yeah

[dense sedge]

they should've made the noise marine hero have the guitar

[pulsar cairn]

Finally Chaos marines with beaky armor

[past sphinx]

Id be surprised if the old boy didn't get a character unit

[jaunty dawn]

the colour scheme is actually older than the guitar noise marine

at least like in origination

[mental birch]

Anyone here familiar with tzeentch

Demon

?

[pulsar cairn]

You mean like the tabletop army? Or something lore related?

[mental birch]

Tabletop armt

Army

[thin ibex]

Playing today right now actually

Tau vs tzeentch daemons

[mental birch]

Trying to figure out how to slow grow em

[thin ibex]

slow grow? like a collection?

[desert jay]

Start off with some unpainted flamers from some Chaos player who got flamers when they were meta and never painted them in time before they were nerfed

[tired cairn]

Is this for 40k or AoS?

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNwlad2Zkss

[mental birch]

Doing a slow grow thing with other folks

Yeah basically but also need a functional army

@tired cairn 40k

[tired cairn]

A thing to keep in mind is that a pure demon army probably needs to take other chaos god's units to be decent (even in the mono faction detachments). Though of course you don't have to make them look like they are

[mental birch]

Eyuup

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KpfKS/c7aa10edbd.png

[sonic hare]

"feyd rautha apologist"

is feyd from the dunc movies a tumblr sexy man

[thin ibex]

yeah i think so

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/feyd-reutha-crazy-feyd-reutha-dune-2-giedi-prime-austin-butler-gif-17061617498782736414

[thin ibex]

Looks like I'm gonna run away with this match

My opponent is penned into their deployment hard

So I'm just scoring hand over fist for primary

[uneven ember]

(credit to whoever i stole this from i can't find it)

"you were supposed to be born a girl and we were going to get married and breed a line of powerful psychic emperors"
"What?"
"I said may THY knife chip and shatter."```

[sonic hare]

lmao

[floral herald]

outta the way marinelets

[thin ibex]

Won 60 to 53

[strong owl]

progress on my chaplain

[runic swallow]

Always love a scrungly chaplain

[runic swallow]

Also, I don’t know why it’s so funny to me that the EC model, known for the most gaudy color schemes, is the one unpainted model

[strong owl]

there's a part of my brain that really really wants to get a couple emperor's children and paint them up with all kinds of patterns and stuff in my 2nd ed style, but i gotta stay on task lol

[runic swallow]

Put it on the Totally Gonna Do It list

It’s what I do for basically all my models, I’m very bad about consistently painting

Partially due to having no good non-cat accessible place to do it, and that’d end poorly

[strong owl]

i want to at least finish 2k of marines and paint up my insane death korps speed project first i think

[floral herald]

I'm so slow at this stuff haha

Been busy with a lot of other stuff so I haven't been able to get into a rhythm

[runic swallow]

I uh, have still not finished my original army

I’ve finished a few units of it, but most are only semi-done

And then you add on my modern stuff which is even less so

[mental birch]

More trying to figure out what to get beyond piles of pinks and blues

I guess flamers

[tired cairn]

Are their big demons any good?

[pastel rampart]

I very much want to start my retro BA army but I want to finish these Beastmen first. I know myself and know I wouldn't get back to the Beastmen for a long time otherwise.

[rocky shale]

Just had a crazy close game against necrons. Basically came down to the final secondary draw. I killed his void dragon turn 2 through sneaking some melta 6 shots past half damage, killed all his fast units before round 4, and barely scraped out a win off some good secondary draws.

[paper bluff]

That is canonical btw

Also that reminds me there is also a romance book in the 40k universe

[thin ibex]

I know jetbikes and astartes bikes have comparable speeds in game, but in lore the jet bikes are much faster right?

[floral herald]

Yeah

[tired cairn]

The Eldar are too busy showing off fancy stunts

[runic swallow]

Yeah, jet bikes are much faster

[uneven ember]

wait which one

[paper bluff]

"My love for you is second only to my love of the the emperor" set on the paradise world of kreig

When I say in the 40k universe, I mean it is a romance book that exists inside of the 40k universe

[solemn gull]

That is very funny

[pulsar cairn]

Show me loyalists that look like they are chaos

[paper bluff]

The flesh tearers

The black dragons

[pulsar cairn]

Hehe

[paper bluff]

The mortifactors

Sons of the Phoenix

[south axle]

Is it me, or does the Sons of the Phoenix pauldron explanation swap left and right?

[solemn gull]

All loyalists when the art is properly grimdark

[paper bluff]

That is true. They are 3 meter tall men as broad as a normal human is tall that can move way too well

Transhuman dread and all tbat

[pulsar cairn]

they are also terrible people in general so yeah

[floral herald]

There’s a funny part of a book where a planetary governor receives some “space marines” officially

And they’re actually Emperor’s Children

And he thinks they look pretty normal if unnerving except for the “grievous wound” their helmetless leader has

(His face is just all fucked up EC style)

[pulsar cairn]

they do some weird shit to their bodies dont they?

[solemn gull]

Don’t forget always being covered in skulls too, also so many other things about them. I feel like averaging it out for every salamander or blood angel there should be 10 Minotaurs or marines malevolent.

[floral herald]

Skulls are such a common imperial symbol though

Like edgy or scary or a representation of the repressive power of the imperium 100% but I’m not sure I’d associate it with chaos

[glad spear]

Yeah some do some don't

[solemn gull]

And a lot of chaos marines just look broke-er then their loyalist counterparts

[paper bluff]

You have to remember imperial architecture is like

And if terrain is anything to go by, there's already skull motifs

[glad spear]

Slaanesh let's them feel damage and pain through their ceramite armor and some of them, called noise marines, have doom sirens melded into their body that lets them psychic scream at people

Along with like body modification or armor adjustments to make more pain happen

[paper bluff]

That's the thing about space marines. To call them "people" is a bit off, they're human yes, but space marines are soldier monks and that is what they do. The custodes at least don't pretend to understand people and they know they're a step aware from them

[glad spear]

The spectrum of space marine ideology is vast as well depending on which chapter or legion or warband were taking about

You got like literal imperial govenors and helpful people like ultramarines and salamanders to anti xeno anti psyker black templars

And people in the middle of course

Like the raptors, who fight with guerrilla tactics and work directly with humans to get the most done with the least amount of casualties, but to some other legions, that's considered honorless

Or the Raven Guard, who will go out of their way to save people and kill slavers

[paper bluff]

Necromunda continues to get cool minis. Look at his hat

[pulsar cairn]

i like his beard

[glad spear]

Necromunda minis are always hype

[solemn gull]

That raven guard bit always seemed confusing to me especially since the imperium are the biggest slavers in the galaxy

[floral herald]

They’re a very interesting and conflicted legion about it

Iirc Corax almost led his legion against the Imperium

And was seemingly born to be an ultracop but the scattering messed it up

[glad spear]

The Corvus Corax book actually yeah delves into this, where he's sort of deluding himself that what he's doing is correct while being very aware that the imperium itself is also an enemy to him by extension

The Khan has a similar realization since they have similar ideals, but he's much more pragmatic in realizing that bending the knee would be the best for his people

[paper bluff]

The other thing with the raven guard is that there are some nightlords that are them

[glad spear]

The Raven Guard, especially the 6th company, do go after "tyrannical groups," from Tau to Genestealer to even corrupt imperial governors

[glad spear]

Before Corax, they were very much into terror tactics, just like the night lords

[deft crest]

Those khorne models look so fuckin good.

Digigrade legs chain glaves and axes

Gwuhhh So fucking cool

Its a shame i'll have to fight tooth and nail to get my half of the box since so far everyone in my local killteam chat JUST wants them and not the clerics

[thin ibex]

Big E turned Corvus to him by literally handing his rebellion nukes didn't he? Back on his homeworld pre legion?

[solemn gull]

But the clerics are so Blanche!

[deft crest]

so what?

[tired cairn]

An artist who did a lot of the early 40k art

[solemn gull]

It’s cool

[deft crest]

Ah

[solemn gull]

I don’t know why people are sleeping on the clerics

[floral herald]

I love the bloodletter cosplayers

[deft crest]

Because killing people with chains are cooler

[solemn gull]

The hand spike lady is my favourite

[floral herald]

It’s such a good team format and allows for a 8 strong Khorne KT

Which is Important

[deft crest]

As a cosplayer AND a demon lover this speaks to me

I like the dude gripping on the pillar at a big angle

[floral herald]

Hoping we get an upgrade sprue tormentor/infractor EC KT for the 6 strong roster

[floral herald]

I don’t think people are they also rip

[deft crest]

Yeah because my biggest issue with KT chaos is you have like, Mixed Marines, Stinky boys, or cultists

[tired cairn]

Oh wow, I didn't realize Blanche only retired in 2023

[glad spear]

I don't think its confirmed since the conversation they had was unknown but Corax had the condition that the Emperor helps bring peace to Kiavahr, so the Mechanicus rebuilt the world to the benefit of the imperium

[deft crest]

And cultists need a lot of models if you wanna be cool

A lot being like, Your own mutants cultists and spawn

-# Which is really cool but I don't want to source my own shit beyond marines lol

[floral herald]

I really like the basic cultist models

They’re really characterful they’re just burdened by a boring and restrained studio paint job imo

Being monopose is tricky if you run a lot a lot of them

But the sculpts are really fun

[deft crest]

I hope the khornates are a bit more agressive than Clowns even though I'm about to enter my clown era of KT

[solemn gull]

Oh I never put that together

[deft crest]

I used to love harlequinns and rediscovered my love when i reread their new rules

And i'm like
-# Oh this team is going to be an absolute bastard when I play it with my group

[tired cairn]

Monopose is okish if you make sure you don't have duplicates in the same squad. At least at the troop level

It's more sad at the character or big monster level

I wish GW put more alternative options for characters. What they did with Lictors was pretty neat even if it is a bit annoying to assemble lol

[floral herald]

I don’t think there are? I forget if you can double cultist blobs

[floral herald]

They probably will be Khorne teams usually are

Clowns are lowkey aggressive as fuck though

[tired cairn]

It's more making sure you give them squad markings at that point then so you don't do it accidently haha

[floral herald]

Yeah I’m planning to paint one of my cultists in various bright colors and the other in basically monochrome for that

[deft crest]

My favorite skills is the one where i get to play luck based dice games with my opponent.

In my Dice game

And the moveshootmove

[jaunty dawn]

Noooo fuck off whyyy

I hope thats just a cherry picked weird pose

Slash badly done photo

The body doesnt even fit on the legs properly

In other news Does he have exo skelton legs

[floral herald]

I think the scale is about the same they just made the EC sculpts long legged to make them look more gracile

[pastel rampart]

They're wearing boot lifts, clearly.

[sour sequoia]

Boot lifts and ceramite corsets lets go girls

[jaunty dawn]

They should have just actually done

That

But it doesnt seem like they have

Maybe they have theyve just refused to picture them from that angle

Hm

[past sphinx]

Their taller than my stodes!

Hats and all!

[jaunty dawn]

The noise marines might have an angle but i dont think so

Yeah I dont think they have heels :(

Not like this

[floral herald]

At a glance I think some of the height comes from somewhat straighter legged poses and longer torsos for their “crop top” mk6 armor

[pulsar cairn]

Did u like the new models Cyan?

The emperor's children ones i mean

[jaunty dawn]

They have slinky bodies

Like not just in appearance as in their spines are not existent

[floral herald]

Yeah I think they’re pretty neat

I’m gonna see if I can pick up the preorder box from local shops

[pulsar cairn]

good to know! I imagine u been waiting for them to come out right? I remember you mentioned liking slaneesh stuff

[thin ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95q9blHb8sI

[floral herald]

Ooh

[sour sequoia]

There’s a few that they have! Lucius is flat out In A Leather Corset

But yeah I wish they did more

[pastel rampart]

And done.

[sour sequoia]

That basing is fuckin prime

[pastel rampart]

So the basing is Microart Studios "chaos" bases, but notably they're from casts I made--did a mold and then cast it with resin, then cut up the bases and glued them down wherever I felt it looked best. Then filled in gaps with some home-made sand texture paint.

The rest is fine flock, then a 50/50 mix of ceylon tea and rooibus tea; then this fall leaf stuff I got ages ago whose manufacturer I don't recall; and finally the large chunks of reddish-brown are large flock from Woodland Scenics.

[sour sequoia]

Okay so straight using looseleaf tea for basing is the play

I’d seen people mention it but never tried

[pastel rampart]

Tea is btw one of the best and most versatile basing materials. I personally wet the leaves first and then dry it out over a day or so to leech out any flavor and smells (and also drink delicious tea).

[sour sequoia]

Slim you’re a fucking genius

[pastel rampart]

Depending on local temp and time of year it can take a couple of days but very soon you'll have a whole jar of the stuff.

[pulsar cairn]

Nice paint job!

[pastel rampart]

Also note: you'll want to glue it down with PVA first, and once dry do a watered-down PVA mix (1:1 or so) to really seal it all in, otherwise it'll eventually start to fall off.

I do the same with the large flock too.

Basically any sort of flock that isn't super-fine, static grass, or grass tufts gets the PVA mix.

[pulsar cairn]

Does the monster being beeg make it easier to paint?

[pastel rampart]

Sssssorta?

Like a lot of that is still a normal brush but you can lay down a lot of colors with an airbrush. The pants was all airbrushed before I did a brown oil wash, and then very minimal highlights after.

The more forgiving and probably easier to paint large models have a lot of texture to them--a Great Unclean One is crusty and covered in boils and stretched skin, which is gross but also you can do some quick airbrushing and an oil wash before finishing up with a drybrush and that's like 80% of the work done.

[pulsar cairn]

I see

[pastel rampart]

Big models can seem daunting but the best way to start is to just sit and think about it for a bit. Break it down into a few steps and use whatever cheats and shortcuts you can, because I promise you it'll look fine when you're done.

Don't got an airbrush? Use rattlecans. Break out some sponges and dab some paint on on. Oil or enamel washes can go right on top and help filter colors and tie it all together. Large round/flat surfaces don't need much paint on there so focus on the edges instead.

[tired cairn]

I personally found a big model a bit less intimidating to paint than a bunch of smaller models. Might not be true on the newer GW stuff, but it definitely feels like scaling up a model scales up the amount of details sublinearly

I do recommend getting a larger brush if you don't have an airbrush

[pastel rampart]

It kinda does, yeah. Except for dragons those are a real fucker.

...also, funny, as much as the giant I posted is a "big model" it's only 4.5" tall.

[sour sequoia]

Only pretty specific GW models actually get to really goofy scales most stuff tops out at similar heights

Ctan Shards actually some of the worst offenders - nightbringer and void dragon are colossal for their base sizes

[tired cairn]

I do wish GW tried to get models in their base size. But I expect that is a very monkey paw wish they would result in hilariously large bases

[sour sequoia]

Oh they don’t overhang at all I’ve never had problems bumpin em into melee or getting caught on shit

[tired cairn]

Oh, that's good at least

There are a lot of models that isn't the case with, ha

Though I guess they are better about it with troops since they moved some things to larger bases. Notably space marines.

[sour sequoia]

But like. These are the same base sizes. Nightbringer out here in the 6ft platform docs

[tired cairn]

The larger bases for genestealers probably helps, but they are always going to be a barrel of monkeys while they have they bodyform lol

[sour sequoia]

Okay nightbringer overhangs a bit with the scythe but legit never been a problem in maps compared to, yeah, genestealers or the leapers

[tired cairn]

I'm actually pretty impressed at how well he stays in the base. I guess it's part of the shard binding process :V

[sour sequoia]

Given he’s from the pewter days, anybody big basically had to be a pillar lol

[pastel rampart]

Huh, did they not increase his base to like 50 or 60mm?

[jaunty dawn]

Apparently not

[floral herald]

Oh my god

I just saw the Datasheet

I… I think the emperor’s children heldrake might be good

[thin ibex]

what makes it different?

[tired cairn]

My condolences to everyone who now needs to paint the trim-chicken

[floral herald]

T10, 2+ save not 3+ 14 wounds, actually relevant special rules

[tired cairn]

(though it really depends on the points, the usual bane of hover-flyers)

[floral herald]

This is the CSM airborne predator

[thin ibex]

interesting

[tired cairn]

Using the same name for a different ability upsets me lol

Those are some weird changes. I wonder if the other CSM ones will be errated to this. It's not the usual faction differences

[junior robin]

wow thats a sad one for the csm...

[upper bluff]

hover units still can't engage in melee with non flying units, right?

[floral herald]

Oh and based on codex points it’s 10 pts cheaper :^)

[junior robin]

huh, DG lost the helldrake, missed that.

[floral herald]

(Codex points mean almost nothing though)

[thin ibex]

well we know that the dex points wont stick

yeah

[thin ibex]

too fast ofc

[upper bluff]

Emperor's children needs every model they can get so it is good that they have a good one

I mean they have good ones, but more

[floral herald]

Yeah I’m glad the drake isn’t a borderline useless datasheet when there’s like 23 total

[tired cairn]

Pretty sure they can. Hover basically turns it into a regular unit iirc

[past sphinx]

Theyve done it

[tired cairn]

Yeah, they lose Aircraft and all the associated rules which is the thing that only allows fly-melee

[past sphinx]

The mad men

They made it like okay ish

[thin ibex]

tau still have no hover flier and now that flyers are kinda on the way out, i imagine we never will

im kinda annoyed that we still have the tiger shark but not a barracuda

[tired cairn]

They might change their mind for 11th

Honestly, they can salvage the models by just giving them hover. Or requiring them all use hover and drop the aircraft rules

Maybe give them all deepstrike and possibly uppy-downy to represent the zooming around part

[pulsar cairn]

Are helldrakes daemon engines?

[floral herald]

Yes

[pastel rampart]

Welcome back 6e Heldrake.

[pulsar cairn]

Are daemons angry about being trapped inside the daemon engines?

[pastel rampart]

Most of them are. Some might find it kinda rad about being outside the warp in a somewhat stable manner and can kill things.

[pulsar cairn]

i see

I imagine they aint easy to keep in line

[jaunty dawn]

Some daemons are like

Much more powerful with the bodies theyre given

Than naturally

[soft willow]

The real question is, weren't the daemons already angry before being in the engine? What's the difference really?

[pulsar cairn]

now they are angry and have guns

[jaunty dawn]

Cant make out with their daemon gfs in the warp

[sour sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[sour sequoia]

Mournfang cavalry are so big waddahell

The same nightbringer from earlier

[floral herald]

Nightbringer is such a small model for its power haha

I guess that’s part of being a 3rd edition sculpt

[sour sequoia]

He was huge in 3rd edition

And that was the era of teeny angron

[pulsar cairn]

He's so teeny

[tired cairn]

Aww, adorable

[pastel rampart]

Yeah 3e 40k/6th ed WHFB didn't have huge plastic kits so anything that was supposed to be big was rather constrained. The largest plastic kit at the time was the Defiler.

The Dragon Ogre Shaggoth was considered HUGE on release and it's...really tiny compared to a lot of stuff now.

[sour sequoia]

I’m a little glad necrons at least keep big stupid model primacy with the superheavies

Void dragon is up there too but thats just height

[tired cairn]

I wish dreadnought size stayed the current carnifex plastic kit size. I'm a bit annoyed they made the screamer killer so big

I'm also annoyed they made the death leaper so tall. I think she is the tallest non-flyer non-fw model right now because she is putting her claw up so high lol

[pastel rampart]

Yeah I'm not a big fan of how BIG and FIDDLY some of the kits are.

It's like...how do you expect people to transport these things.

[past sphinx]

Modern dreads are bad about that

[thin ibex]

Question about drukhari, is it really just "bring as many heat lances and dark lances as you can, everyone get in transports. Rock and roll."

[floral herald]

I’ll take “listbuilding questions you can ask in any edition of 40K for 500 Alex”

But yeah that’s approx true

[sour sequoia]

if you can gib ctan and monoliths and still have shooting activations, you have enough darklances

[thin ibex]

sky splinter assault really feels like "Get in loser, we have places to be"

[pine matrix]

I started collecting Dark Eldar specific because they Go Fast

[thin ibex]

a lot of the unit profiles feel lack luster but im guessing its cause pain tokens are good?

maybe lackluster isnt the right word

plain?

[pine matrix]

No you're right, i thought that too

They don't really have much variety in selection, either. I'm holding out some hope they get some more stuff in their codex because at the moment it's a bit empty to me

[floral herald]

Deldar need a range refresh imo

[pine matrix]

Like, the fact one of their released strategems is "add clowns" says a lot about their roster, I think

[pine matrix]

Yerrrp

[floral herald]

Way too much of their stuff went out of production or got lost with the great purge of model-less characters

[thin ibex]

they could use a tough beastie of some sort

or nice centerpiece

ravager doesnt really cut it

[pine matrix]

I was kinda bummed when they folded all the Beastmaster beasties into one unit

[thin ibex]

bring back vect's personal catamaran thing

funny drukhari unit idea that also is a kill team; but Drukhari slave gladiators

mixed race/mixed unit squad

with scrounged armor/weapons vibes

[pine matrix]

Ya know, looking through the lexicanum model page, DEldar have actually much the same roster as they previously, apart from characters. They just... haven't had anything else added to it since then

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Dark_Eldar

[rocky shale]

Tough beastie isn't really in the deldar MO

You get fast beastie but not tough

[thin ibex]

true enough, but they could use something as far as balancing out the selections

[jaunty dawn]

deldar could totally have a tough beastie

[thin ibex]

also yeah they have literal beastmasters, they could totally have a beastie

[jaunty dawn]

and historically pain engines have been too tough

[thin ibex]

Even tau get a riptide, despite being a hypermobile army they have at least one tanky guy

[rocky shale]

Pain engines are thier tough option, basically

[tired cairn]

I think some of the miniatures are nearly impossible to find is part of the problem?

[pine matrix]

That too

You literally can't buy a beastmaster or any of said beasties, nor any court of the archon models

[floral herald]

Yeah

[rocky shale]

True perfection is playing ynnari before they get nerfed

[jaunty dawn]

like ten years ago

[rocky shale]

They're very good again with the codex

[pastel rampart]

I just hope they stick close to their previous line refresh because the current visuals are fantastic, especially compared to their 3e counterparts.

[floral herald]

100% agree

They just need more stuff and some OOP stuff remade or something

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

They really need more weird genetic freaks that the Haemonculi have been cooking up in the lab.

[pine matrix]

Big blob monster like Tetsuo at the end of Akira

[pastel rampart]

Or heck more warp creatures that they throw out at their foes for fun and profit.

[pine matrix]

They definitely have the design space to Get Weird With It

My main roadblock is trying to think of what could be new Kabal units, since the Wych Cults and Haemonculi Covens are pretty well represented

[floral herald]

Trueborn as their own kit maybe

HOTA is kind of already that though

[pine matrix]

I do like the idea of a bunch of Trueborn modelled like a colonial era big game hunting party, a bunch of pricks not taking this battle seriously with the biggest guns you've ever seen

Defending your world from the True Fae and some snotty nepo baby hits you with the dethagomiser making it so you were never born

[jaunty dawn]

kabal are weird

[floral herald]

Maybe a “Kabal lowborn” unit which is just like ganger dregs

[thin ibex]

on things i think would be cool are the return of a double sail'd "super heavy" gunboat (reads, really a medium bit of armor thats fast and has a big gun). Some sort of expansion on the Talos or Cronos for a bigger, tankier boyo, a lone operative hero hunter of some kind, a bio-mecha pain avatar

also a jetbike riding character would be cool

[paper bluff]

A new plastic Nightbringer model would be nice

[mild glen]

Just had a conversation with somebody that claimed t'au were oppressive and uninteractive because they get sustained, lethal and assault on all their guns in one detachment.
When I pointed out this wasn't the case and if Opp was claiming they could do this, they were cheating, I got an "obviously we disagree" and they disengaged.

[pale narwhal]

they can get all those on one unit with an enhancement in one detachment turns 1-3 (mont'ka using the sustained hits enhancement)

and only if that character guides another unit

generally people tend to overreact to tau

[mild glen]

Yeah. I pointed that out... they were first claiming it was all guns and then that it was a strat

[pale narwhal]

yeah

people tend to hate on tau due to both their aesthetics and lore, and also past rules transgressions (drones in 8e-9e, before that it was Fish of Fury in 4e,)

[thin ibex]

seems weird because other factions can also access all of those tags

[pale narwhal]

yep

tau also are like

very much middle of the road in terms of balance (idk current winrates but like it's 45-50% iirc)

so really they're not oppressive at all

[thin ibex]

honestly drones in 8 and 9 werent even that bad compared to triptide back in like... 7th or 6th i think

they were squarely in the lower tier of armies through 8th and 9th

and aside from triptide, back in the day, were regularly a mid faction in terms of overall power

[pale narwhal]

triptide was 8th

along with 20 drones or whatever it was (shield drones)

7th they were mainly crazy because of the jump shoot jump

iirc

(I play tau, started in 7th)

[thin ibex]

im trying to remember, because i played in 8th and triptide was a thing referenced in the past

rather than a thing being done in that moment

There were stronger limitations on how you could use savior protocols

[pale narwhal]

saviour protocols were a thing in 8th onwards

early 8th was triptide iirc, late 8th before I stopped playing mechanised tau was having some success with triple CIB crisis

could also be I'm misremembering, I never used triptide on principle (never more than one riptide actually)

[thin ibex]

same i didnt touch it during my time

[pale narwhal]

I was a solid firewarriors in devilfish with cadre fireblades enjoyer (with armour and mech support)

returning to 40k in 10th and learning breachers in fish are good was a lovely surprise

but yeah we've never been oppressive, just good, and certain matchups favour us heavily (my poor buddy who plays nids didn't win a single game through the entire of 7th or 8th)

[mild glen]

Re; the old chestnut of "they just sit back and shoot all game": did objectives not used to be a thing?

[thin ibex]

back in the day you could shoot most game, kill most of the enemy and then get on objectives

[pale narwhal]

they did

but tabling was a win

[thin ibex]

terrain also wasnt like it was

or like it is

[pale narwhal]

yeah there were no official terrain setups for GW stuff

and stuff was on the whole much less dense

[mild glen]

Ah, so the strat was "make it onto the objective at the last possible second"

[pastel rampart]

Yup

[mild glen]

Seems like that would mostly encourage hypermobile factions

[uneven ember]

this was back when you had random game length too

specifically to mitigate that

[thin ibex]

In some ways it did, but with the volume of shooting and the lack of LoS breaking, gunlines and deathstars were more common

Especially with aura stacking

Also first turn advantage was massive

Absolutely huge

[uneven ember]

can't be sure when the game is ending means you have to take a risk on when you get on those objectives

[thin ibex]

A lot of games were decided on the "who goes first" roll off

Especially in 8th, didn't play in 9th much

I legitimately think the game is much much more balanced now, and a lot more games run to the 5th round

[mild glen]

How did that work?

[thin ibex]

You rolled at the end of... the 5th? 4th? Round

To see if the game kept going

[uneven ember]

Yeah, think it was turn 5. I think.

So at the end of turn 5, you roll to see if the game ends. End of 6, you roll again.

[pale narwhal]

100%, my gaming group has noticed it

[thin ibex]

My experience in 8th was "someone is getting tabled by turn 2 or 3"

Err, round*

[uneven ember]

This was also when objectives were "count who's holding them at the end of game" instead of giving you points throughout

(which did make bookkeeping simpler)

but basically, when you couldn't be sure when the game was gonna end you weren't safe holding back and sprinting for the objectives, because it could end before you made your rush or it could keep going after you'd overextended

[thin ibex]

Sticky objectives also didn't exist iirc, so you could shoot people off of em pretty reliably

Anything that didn't have an invulnerable save might as well have been made of paper

And the stuff with invulns also evaporated quite quickly

Just had more coin flip chances

[thin ibex]

Things are, imo, much better now

As far as playability and balance

[mild glen]

Unrelated: currently thinking about these bois again

When skellyfriends GW?

[thin ibex]

How expansive is the nighthaunt roster btw?

Are they still kinda not huge on options?

[sour sequoia]

depends on definition

the list is like 95% infantry

they cover their roles, I think

[thin ibex]

Hmm OK

A friend was mildly interested in them but I wasn't sure if they were, ironically, fully fleshed out

[sour sequoia]

You play nighthaunt to play big swarms of ghosts

There’s not gonna be big dragon ghosts, but Olynder/Black Coach/Reikenor are pretty slick as big centerpiece models

You get a lot of wizards options etc so your bases end up pretty covered off that

[mental birch]

What?

I would argue pre indirect nerf guard was more oppressive and uniteractive

[pulsar cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hDlMCBQg4Q

[tepid stratus]

With the loss of FW options all they're missing is a combat monster and artillery (the latter of which most armies don't have anyways). But they've got heroes of all types, cav, screening troops, anti horde troops, anti armour troops, all rounder troops, ranged infantry, objective harrassers, wizard hunters and a decent chariot

The gaps in their roster can be resolved by taking an allied regiment of renown but tbh it's not needed

[runic swallow]

Honestly, incredible voice acting

Like, I know some of it is the pitch shifting adding weight, but there’s also a great job done with the inflection

[pulsar cairn]

true

[pulsar cairn]

Miku the betrayer?!

[thin ibex]

What's kharne even doing most of the time, like to get him to the next place do you just have to lure him on to a ship and have plenty of things to murder while you get to the next place?

[jaunty dawn]

You have to walk around like

Ooh my plan is to leave this planet alone. I sure hope no one betrays me

[thin ibex]

Kharne just shows up

xD

[glad spear]

Kharne just sorta wanders around killing people, or getting hired by people and then killing everyone

He did kill Celestine once

And he was hanging out with Angron during the Arks of Omen stuff

[pulsar cairn]

Thought they didnt like each other

Also hoooly kharn is old

[runic swallow]

He gets a lot of exercise, helps keep him spry

[upper bluff]

It's really weird how just about every traitor legion has the lead captain guy and the primarch hate each other in lore but still hang out in gameplay and promotional materials

[tired cairn]

Forcing smiles as they give compliments to each other as they go on press tours

[runic swallow]

Either that or its one of those two brothers from Oasis situation

[finite compass]

I don't even remember who the IW or AL First Captains were

For the most part the dynamic seems to be "First Captain is disappointed in their primarch's flaws, but still loyal, sometimes to a fault"

The big exceptions being Mortarion and Typhon/Typhus, and post-Prospero Magnus and Ahriman

[glad spear]

Kharne at least puts his shit aside sometimes if it means he gets to go kill Celestine or something

[glad spear]

Yeah basically

[paper bluff]

Well the AL first captain was alpharius as was the 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th, and.....

[sour sequoia]

Playing a tourney fresh off a 350mi roadtrip on Saturday that requires getting up at 2am so hypercrypt outta the question

Hows this look to folks

Necrons
Awakened Dynasty
Strike Force (2000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Chronomancer (65 Points)
  • 1x Chronomancer’s stave

Chronomancer (65 Points)
  • 1x Chronomancer’s stave

C’tan Shard of the Nightbringer (305 Points)
  • 1x Gaze of death
  • 1x Scythe of the Nightbringer

Illuminor Szeras (175 Points)
  • 1x Eldritch Lance
  • 1x Impaling legs

Imotekh the Stormlord (100 Points)
  • 1x Gauntlet of Fire
  • 1x Staff of the Destroyer

Plasmancer (60 Points)
  • 1x Plasmic lance

Royal Warden (50 Points)
  • 1x Close combat weapon
  • 1x Relic gauss blaster

Technomancer (105 Points)
  • 1x Staff of light
  • Enhancements: Nether-realm Casket

BATTLELINE

Immortals (150 Points)
  • 10x Immortal
     ◦ 10x Close combat weapon
     ◦ 10x Tesla carbine

Immortals (70 Points)
  • 5x Immortal
     ◦ 5x Close combat weapon
     ◦ 5x Gauss blaster

Immortals (70 Points)
  • 5x Immortal
     ◦ 5x Close combat weapon
     ◦ 5x Gauss blaster

OTHER DATASHEETS

Canoptek Wraiths (230 Points)
  • 6x Canoptek Wraith
     ◦ 6x Particle caster
     ◦ 6x Vicious claws

Doomsday Ark (190 Points)
  • 1x Armoured bulk
  • 1x Doomsday cannon
  • 2x Gauss flayer array

Doomsday Ark (190 Points)
  • 1x Armoured bulk
  • 1x Doomsday cannon
  • 2x Gauss flayer array

Flayed Ones (60 Points)
  • 5x Flayed One
     ◦ 5x Flayer claws

Triarch Stalker (110 Points)
  • 1x Heat ray
  • 1x Stalker’s forelimbs```

[thin ibex]

Each game of tenth has taught me the importance of little dudes who can do actions

Especially if they can uppy downy or deep strike

[rocky shale]

You probably want more action doers like stormtalus said, one small unit getting shot off the board early means you are very likely to get thrashed on secondaries

[runic swallow]

I don’t think they really did much with IW leadership, and obviously the answer to the AL is Alpharius

[sour sequoia]

Idea is using the flayed ones and two small immortal squads for actions or scoring, JSJ and stealth on them from chronomancers means they’re actually fairly sneaky

[solemn gull]

Wasn’t the iron warrior first captain that guy that poured melting metal over his face after he failed perturabo

[rocky shale]

Triarch Praetorians getting deep strike and 10" move makes them a strong pick

[solemn gull]

Also one of the ones to remain loyalist

[runic swallow]

No Dantioch just wore a mask after he got Turbo-Aged by the Hrudd

And yeah he was a loyalist, but I dunno if he was first captain

[solemn gull]

I may be mixing up several different heresy marines

[sour sequoia]

I had thought abt em, what would you cut in here to make room

Generally want leaders on anything thats not as punchy as a ctan or DDA on its own for AD, and I wanted the 3 battleline units for a core to play around szeras’ aura with at least a lil flexibility

[thin ibex]

i think the flayed ones and potentialyl wraiths arent bad for things like getting into the enemy DZ and for getting into table quarters

and immortals should be fine for some of the other options

just that wraiths are your only really quick squad. Luckily they are also very resilient

[rocky shale]

Maybe cut one ark?

[sour sequoia]

Hesitant to cut anti-tank firepower, but considering it

Lotta folks like LHD for the very reason of MSU antitank but. Alas. I do not own any LHD

[thin ibex]

id be hesitant as well cause if 1 ark is worth bringing then i feel like 2 is

both for targeting reasons and because it means its harder to focus one down

[sour sequoia]

Two arks and nightbringer means I can usually cover each firing lane of a tourney map with something that’ll really really suck

[thin ibex]

i guess argument could be made that you could corale the enemy army a bit by leaving one lane less covered

higher chance of punching through on a flank and encircling

[sour sequoia]

That is also a thought, esp. since I’ll probably run the stalker in reserve to catch whatever flank gets focused or ignored

That thing is stupid good for actions, 12W T8 4+ invuln and reanimation for 110pts

Along with the only flamethrower and only melta in necrons lol

[thin ibex]

i love that gun lol, i feel like the traditional pick is the guass

but it just feels cool

[sour sequoia]

I would love gauss if gauss did anything at calibers smaller than the LHD lol

[floral herald]

scrapcode got in

[pulsar cairn]

Yall think orks like fighting world eaters?

[mental birch]

To beat world eaters you do stand a large scouting unit 9" away from them

[brittle salmon]

perfect

[glad spear]

There's an Ork clan called the Daemon-killas, who were so good at killing Khorne daemons and having a big bloodbath that Khorne himself brought them into his realm so the clan and the daemons can fight forever while getting resurrected each time

[floral herald]

I think that story has mutated some online haha

[tepid stratus]

I dont think the clan was called daemon killaz, that specifically was the honorific of their warboss Tuska Daemon Killa, who if I remember correctly is also famous for killing himself via warp shenanigans to have a copy of his favorite gun

[jaunty dawn]

I thought that too

[tepid stratus]

And they got lost in khorne's realm on the return trip from their time travel shenanigans

[jaunty dawn]

but I think that might be a different guy

[floral herald]

It was just incidental

They waaaaaaghed into the eye of terror and got bogged down on a daemonworld devoted to Khorne

And were all killed fighting daemons and the daemon-world itself

But it brings them back to life again and again to replay that final battle and they’re stoked about it

[jaunty dawn]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grizgutz

this is the anoriginary akimbo gun wielder

[floral herald]

Hmm index chaotica might have more info actually

I haven’t read that stuff though

[tepid stratus]

Grizgutz! Damn how the hell do I keep mixing up my warbosses?

[jaunty dawn]

a lot of minor warbosses with memorable stories haha

[pastel rampart]

Warbosses are a gold mine for writers because they can just make up whatever crazy nonsense they want and it's generally accepted as "yup an ork would do that."

[jagged dawn]

ah yes your casual everyday 3.6' main gun
The Grace of the Throne, a long-chassis Russ variant with a hundred and ten-centimetre main weapon. Like all the Narmenian vehicles, it was painted mustard-drab and bore the Imperial eagle crest and the spiked fist sigil of Narmenia.

(excerpt from necropolis)

[floral herald]

I think that’s length calibers

And it’s a Conquerer cousin

[jagged dawn]

could be

but the wording makes me think it's meaning diameter of shell and they just messed up cm with mm

because it's either a 3.6 foot long gun, which is stupid
or it's a 3.6ft diameter gun, which is more stupid

[desert jay]

What you don’t appreciate a gun you can climb into for shelter during severe weather?

But also 110 cm long does sound like the length of some modeled Leman Russ weapons

[floral herald]

The Conq seems about right to me

[sour sequoia]

Bullpup main cannon fuck it we ball

[thin ibex]

i like the conq because its the designated shoot and move tank

[uneven ember]

I generally love most of the little flavor blurbs in the codices

one of my favorites is the story of how Dark Eldar saved Craftworld Iyanden from an Ork invasion

Where it turns out their motivation was "you guys doing necromancy and sending your ancestors into battle while being all 'angst angst a bloo bloo bloo' about it? Super funny. You guys all getting killed by orks? Not not funny but way less funny."

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1347028751279460478/image0.jpg?ex=67ca55c8&is=67c90448&hm=13ccd12470c7357b01ba80d16b59d03ee0ad203065ff5a03ca7c234cd6228e29&

[sour sequoia]

Ogre cavalry is so fucking big

This is only the front half

[uneven ember]

oh shit
nice

[uneven ember]

(SKULLS)

[strong owl]

sufficient numbers of skulls! (almost)

[tardy vault]

AoS got some big models

Have you seen Archeon?

fucker's huge

[jaunty dawn]

i really really love this assault marine

[past sphinx]

You know I think this cat may be a blood angel

[junior robin]

his gun is wrist-mounted, so could be a grey knight

[past sphinx]

A wrist flamer is pretty baller

Wait

Baaler

[pine matrix]

Damn that's a cool axe as well

[thin ibex]

everyone but ultramar gettin axes

[glad spear]

Barbaric

[sour sequoia]

Finally. Canon ogre sizing for my stonehorn frostlord

[bright dove]

Big boi!

[sour sequoia]

Got this, a butcher, and a slaughtermaster all ready for painting today—forgot to scale em down to same size as gluttons but tbh. Canon ogre size on the leaders makes em easier to ID so who cares

Butcher versus a tyrant model I modified

[pulsar cairn]

are those chaos ogres?

[sour sequoia]

Nope, just maw magic

Maw gets pretty grody for not being chaos

2 mouths so you can eat double the burger lets go

[pulsar cairn]

maw is scary

[sour sequoia]

Ok I printed him a lil too big actually, gonna have to get real creative with a tactical rock

[pastel rampart]

A V-shape tactical rock on both ends could work. Or just a rocky platform that puts it half an inch above the base so it just kinda hangs off with a bit of clearance for base-to-base stuff.

[pulsar cairn]

name him

not the ogre

[sour sequoia]

Oh I’ll be naming both for sure this is a warlord model

[hard whale]

Tau and Orks have more in common than I thought. Gork, being cunningly brutal, exemplifies the Mont'ka; while Mork, being brutally cunning, embodies the Kauyon

unless it's the other way around

[white mural]

Tempted to get some tau fire warriors paint them purple instead of blue and use them as neophytes

[hard whale]

it would work, tau can get infected like anyone else

only weird thing is that their guns would get a lot worse

[floral herald]

I’m gonna fight anyone who says it’s the other way around

[uneven ember]

Giving people cause to say it's the other way around so that they have a reason to fight.
Gork would be pleased. Or possibly Mork.

[white mural]

Money meant for arms got diverted to pension plans 😔

[floral herald]

See I didn't say which way around I was having it

I'm taktikul like that

[unreal cosmos]

I have a friend who's interested in starting 40k via Necrons and I've discussed selling him that half of my old Indomitus box; all of the models are pre-assembled and most are already painted, but odds are high that he'll want to redo them. What sounds like a fair price?

[paper bluff]

If he's your friend and you're splitting the box but he's just getting into it

Slightly less than half

[thin ibex]

How much was the box?

[past sphinx]

fought a space marine armor list

went about as well as i thought it would

[brittle salmon]

you won?

[thin ibex]

Sm armor lists are pretty strong right now

[past sphinx]

got tabled turn 3

lascannons all missed and when i did hit (like one a turn) i never rolled above a 3

[paper bluff]

If you know you're fighting armor, c'tan time

Course I have learned i can chop armor to death as custodes

[pulsar cairn]

Is the kriegsman using clones an actual lore thing or is that a fan made up thing?

[hard whale]

They're not perfect clones but they are vat-grown so the soldiers don't have to take maternity leave

[solemn gull]

they just mix up some dna and put it in a vat.

[jaunty dawn]

[Krieg's ridiculously high tithe of Guardsmen] has resulted in suspect practices being tolerated - some, such as the eugenic policies designed to weed out mutants caused by Krieg's damaged biosphere, universal conscription, etc, are continuations of Krieg's centuries of civil war. But others, such as the enforced use of 'Vitae- Womb' birthing techniques are little known outside of the Adeptus Biologis and are seen as dangerous and abhorrent by many Adeptus Mechanicus Biologis.

This is the actual lore

Clone vs artificial wombs etc is all just interpretation

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[past sphinx]

We do a little heresy on krieg

[tired cairn]

I am surprised those first two are considered suspect by the Imperium

[paper bluff]

Letting vat grown be sentient is... slightly off

You know, an iron warriors loyalist successor that recruits from a world like kreig with the vitae-wombs would hit pretty hard and work

[pulsar cairn]

Night lords just turned into pirates honestly

Like aside from that they are the same

[past sphinx]

Hey we do have the raptor god

[pulsar cairn]

True

[past sphinx]

Our own dead beat god for the deadbeat legion

[pulsar cairn]

Are they the smallest in number when it comes to traitors?

[past sphinx]

We are one of the largest iirc its just splintered

Very stable geneseed its just made up of 10 thousand dudes all out for themselves

[pastel rampart]

Black Legion is the largest but that's something of a hodge-podge.

Night Lords varies between smallest to somewhere around the medium. Like anything else the numbers are "whatever GW feels like at the moment."

[pulsar cairn]

I always felt like they were small, maybe it was because of their tactics?

[floral herald]

The smallest is the Tsons I think

[pulsar cairn]

Makes sense

More then half got turned into rubics

[runic swallow]

Night lords are pretty numerous but also highly splintered

[pastel rampart]

NL tactics support smaller warbands rather than large armies, but also once their primarch got his bottle cap popped off there was no one else to step up and assume command.

[runic swallow]

Sometimes a lot of them join up for very big raids or targets, but it usually breaks up or starts fighting itself soon after/during

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

A lot of the traitor legions just do not play well with each other, never mind within their own ranks.

[paper bluff]

Damn the painted count!

[pastel rampart]

Iron Warriors and Black Legion are probably the most numerous and most disciplined out of the bunch but everyone else is in varying levels of disarray.

Especially World Eaters. Angron can't lead for shit.

[runic swallow]

Black Legion also kinda eats random warbands

So not all Black Legionaries are actually Black Legion

[floral herald]

Word Bearers are also supposed to be real big

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, though generally once they fall under the BL banner they tend to stay because it's good work.

[paper bluff]

Also let it be said that the painted count could come back

[paper bluff]

That feels like it would be true but at the same time they also spread way way way out

A cult to a squad it almost seems like

[pastel rampart]

Oh the Painted Count absolutely can come back, dude's a daemon prince now.

But that would require the NL to have a named character with a model in 40k, and alas we can't have nice things.

[paper bluff]

It would be really really funny to get him back before perty or lorgar

[floral herald]

Can’t believe the black legion intercepted him

Born 2 raid
Forced 2 crusade

[pastel rampart]

That's my favorite type of lightning claw.

Tartaros-pattern terminator armor my beloved

[runic swallow]

It’s kinda shocking they never even got a Talos model

Though, ||they also don’t tend to like making models of canonically dead characters, but that’s also coward talk ||

[pulsar cairn]

[pastel rampart]

They don't make them now anyway.

[pulsar cairn]

Do we have any loyalists with suspected night lord Gene seed?

[runic swallow]

Yeah, they used to

[runic swallow]

It’s somewhat suspected Carcharadons could be, but being Rave Lords is just as likely

I could fix that typo, but I won’t

[pastel rampart]

Well okay they make them for 30k I guess lmao

But y'knowwwww

[tired cairn]

I guess Horus Heresay covers "historical battles". But there isn't any reason every game of 40k needs to be set in the setting present

[runic swallow]

True, but we don’t get guys like Tycho anymore

[pale narwhal]

Carcharodons are all but confirmed raven guard

[pastel rampart]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ashen_Claws Space Sharks do seem to trade with another notable former Raven Guard element

which does strengthen the argument that they're RG.

[pale narwhal]

Arkhas Fal, a raven guard Shade Lord, was notably exiled to the ‘Outer Dark’ with a nomad-predation fleet before the Heresy by Corax

And Shade Lord is the title used for Carcharodons’ chapter masters

[runic swallow]

Ah, they must have fleshed them out more since I was reading about em, that’s pretty blatant

Or I missed it

[pale narwhal]

It’s mostly Heresy lore

That ties up very very nicely with Carcharodons as we know them (the fleet was made up of terran born RG who were notably more savage than their later counterparts, which could explain the aptitude for close combat that they have)

They have that aggression alongside classic raven guard geneseed traits (black eyes, pale skin)

[upper canopy]

Oh they canonically answered what the Space Sharks are

in their book series

iiirc

I believe they're meant to be Raven Guard/Night Lord chimeras

[paper bluff]

The terran RG did mix with NL so a group chapter happening makes sense

There was also rumor of WE in there

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1347662816471027712/RDT_20250307_0706001437029899517081232.png?ex=67cca44d&is=67cb52cd&hm=3df3a020558e8aa3441798deed5e56f33506b747b4b9f4e77d50e0bf309663b0&

[paper bluff]

I don't even know what loyalist WE would be considering what power angron had

I also don't know if RG successors get shadow walking

[paper bluff]

To follow up on this thought, I think they would be "merciful"

[past sphinx]

Haarken "fuck gods get money" world claimer was sadly forced into corporate chaos marineing after a successful indie rock Marine career

[floral herald]

Lmao

[uneven ember]

you do get Imperials vat-growing people
House Goliath in Necromunda is largely (not entirely) vat babies

[runic swallow]

Huh, I thought it was a lot of later modifications, did they change that?

[past sphinx]

Goliath are a manufactured abhuman strain but you can join house goliath after getting hench

[finite compass]

Escher also has vat babies

And parthenogenesis

[sour sequoia]

Anybody here played a Crusade in 10th yet

Lookin to pick folks brains

[jaunty dawn]

Tbf house escher arent exactly like

‘Imperial’ exactly

Their tech is their own

And like theres a reason the afriel strain is a secretive project

[rocky harness]

Thinking of starting a Rouge Trader game, but man can that system get rough. Was looking at substitutes, and saw that Stars Without Number come up a few times. Has anyone tried doing this before, and how did it go?

[solemn gull]

I really like the genome manipulation you can do when making new characters

Probably the coolest house specific gimmick

[past sphinx]

That sounds like something a highly flammable heretic would say

I hope your outside the range of the 17 rats I've strapped gasoline mines to

[pulsar cairn]

i wasnt

[uneven ember]

It's both. And some amount of heritability (fairly rare, low fertility and sex imbalance).
So you have Goliaths that are vat babies, Goliaths who are modified, and a few Goliaths born that way naturally

[solemn gull]

Hey I’m a Orlock guy myself but you can’t deny those Arnold knock-offs are peak necromunda

They gave us the greatest necromunda character of all time, Juice.

[past sphinx]

I'm a cawdor man personally, just love the scrungo with the mixed in redemptionists

[thin ibex]

my favorite necromunda house is The Imperial Fists

[solemn gull]

Mine are blood angels

[jagged dawn]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/BXo1bA

[thin ibex]

I got a kroot hunting pack vs kroot hunting pack fight lined up for tomorrow

It's gonna be a brawl

[dense sedge]

Another loss to my loosing streak

[pastel rampart]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6934037 I found these charming little things.

http://puu.sh/KpCgM/8097a027d3.jpg

HEY CLEVELAND ARE YOU READY TO ROCK

[soft willow]

That's a different chaos god.

[pulsar cairn]

Are there any warhammer books with a S.T.A.L.K.E.R vibe?

Folks living in a fucked up planet having to scavenge to survive and all that

[finite compass]

Traitor General, sorta?

In a 'this is what happens when a planet is actually conquered by Chaos' sort of sense.

[pulsar cairn]

i see i'll check it out

[solemn gull]

One of the warhammer horror anthologies covers this. A planet in ruin for an unknown reason and the protagonist is followed by shadows in the rain.

[pulsar cairn]

i'll see if i can find something, thank you!

[junior summit]

Zero Day maybe? I remember that one being about tech scavengers

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9EF-yiIOa0

While this is on a Trench Crusade model there's a ton of 40k ones that would look great with this.

[sour sequoia]

Round 2 and 3 from the tourney yesterday - tabled a death guard player, didn’t expect that to be possible on canoptek court lol

[solemn gull]

Grimdark compendium has a lot of 40k videos showing off this style

[desert jay]

While also kicking ass on objectives, well done

[sour sequoia]

Fighting for my goddamn life

Mortarion and Blighthaulers is the scariest guy I’ve ever seen

[desert jay]

But also you uploaded game 2 twice

[sour sequoia]

Nightbringer very narrowly survived the full fights first lethal-sustained-5up crits plague marines after blowing up the rhino that got marked for death

[sour sequoia]

OOPS lol sec

This should be it

Game ended early and only marked it to this—he had 50 on tourney report

I maaaybe had another turn or two of 10+ pts but I wasn’t in position to close the gap

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, I really like their videos even if it's for a very specific painting style.

[pulsar cairn]

i'll take a look!

[floral herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/1j7b63l/my_farstalkers_are_slightly_more_scaley/#lightbox

Oh this is a really fun conversion

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah that rules

[paper bluff]

The pose has come together

[pastel rampart]

...

Put a little teapot in front of him.

He's waiting for his english breakfast.

[paper bluff]

You understand the vibe. That dreadnought is named ikkyū

[past sphinx]

i found the old funky chaos lord from dark vengance for only 15 bucks!

[pastel rampart]

Funny how you used to be able to get that model for next to nothing.

I think I even have that one kicking around somewhere.

[runic swallow]

I definitely had one at some point, don’t know what happened to him

[past sphinx]

the knock off abbadon sword always was a weird touch

[sour sequoia]

The way Im tryin to find that one 5th edition necron overlord swinging the glaive

And I remember seeing dozens of them everywhere when I was in high school

[runic swallow]

That’s the thing of it, the things that seem ubiquitous and you never think of getting one someday turn into rarer things

Or at least less easy to find than “buy a guy a soda and he’ll give it to you”

[pastel rampart]

Tell me about it.

Can't find metal death company for the life of me. Well, at a fair price anyway.

[past sphinx]

thats how i got a heldrake

[runic swallow]

Wait really? Wild

[past sphinx]

theyve been that dogshit for that long

[sour sequoia]

I drove somebody to the tourney I posted about and got two chronomancers, a royal warden, and five immortals in lieu of gas money from one guy

Honestly pretty standard practice

[past sphinx]

i think i mostly got it because the flight stand broke and it had done basically fucking nothing for the entire tourney

[sour sequoia]

But also yeah heldrakes have been trash since 6th-7th ed and I’m pretty sure after how bad their rep was in that era, GW will execute whatever writer makes em good again

[past sphinx]

it is the coolest anti air option tho

[topaz hinge]

GW is never going to make any aircraft good ever again if they can help it

[past sphinx]

you could have a gun or you could use an entirefucking dragon to rip them apart

[sour sequoia]

Its bad enough the night scythe and stormravens is actually usable

Those were two of the worst offenders too

[topaz hinge]

The whole class has been soft-deleted from the game, alongside things like fortifications

[past sphinx]

i miss fortifications

but not the truth, the weakness only the memory

a thing from just an entirely different mindset of warhammer

[sour sequoia]

I remember getting good utility outta the aegis defense line wall

[topaz hinge]

The ADL in 5th edition was brilliant

[sour sequoia]

Pay a hundred points for deployable one-way cover

[past sphinx]

the tidewall was a funny option

[sour sequoia]

God what the hell I been here for 5 editions if we count my break how am I an oldhead at 25

[runic swallow]

I remember people getting bent out of shape about that one

[past sphinx]

dont worry youre here forever

[topaz hinge]

Well yeah when you get rammed by a wall you tend to get bent out of whatever shape you were before into a pancake

[pastel rampart]

Been here since 3rd, a year or so before Tau were introduced.

[topaz hinge]

I briefly got into the game in 5th/6th edition and got back in the last days of 9th

[past sphinx]

i have distance memorys of piling space wolves into war walkers in like 3rd maybe?

i think i still have my wolf lord and a bike

[pastel rampart]

Finally stopped playing for good around mid-7th when it became just too annoying to follow all the detachments and how imperials turned into a giant soup.

[past sphinx]

badab really stuck me in and 7th lost me

and then 9th lost me again

[runic swallow]

I stopped around 8th due to college and then grad school (both lack of players where I was and then busyness)

[pastel rampart]

Honestly I just switched to Kings of War for my rank n' flank, OPR for other fantasy and not-40k, Malifaux, and whatever weird game Snarling Badger is putting out at the time.

[sour sequoia]

Slim… come trench crusade with us…

[past sphinx]

i wanna paint some trench crusade

[pastel rampart]

I plan to, but I'm kinda waiting for the physical book to come out (I backed it for that)

[runic swallow]

Yeah I’m waiting for the final edition to be out

[past sphinx]

my current trouble is figuring out what the hell i want to play in it

everything kinda calls to me a little

[runic swallow]

Lmao same

[topaz hinge]

It's a skirmish game just play everything

[runic swallow]

I think I’m most into the Iron Sultanate, but a lot of the factions seem really cool

[topaz hinge]

You will not regret playing everything

[past sphinx]

i cant own all the munda gangs and all the crusade warbands

[runic swallow]

But yeah, since it’s a skirmish game it’s much easier to get into a few factions

[past sphinx]

i ought to kitbash a huron

maybe find that old forgeworld luft huron

[uneven ember]

I can't decide if I'm a curse on the games I like or if getting into GW's specialty games is just cursing myself

[pastel rampart]

Great thing with skirmish games like this is that you can just make a warband for every faction, it's like 15 models most of the time.

[sour sequoia]

Yuh

A massive warband in TC is like 12 guys

[pastel rampart]

Hell I used to make Mordheim warbands for kicks.

"Yeah sure maybe one day I'll play Middenheim and if not, hey ready-made mooks for D&D."

[runic swallow]

What if I just go all Thralls/Penitnats, surely there can be no issue with running all Thralls or Penitents

(I know you need to do a leader too but shhh)

[past sphinx]

FOURTEEN BRAZEN BULLS

[runic swallow]

Or wait, am I forgetting and they have limited amounts of dudes per unit type

[tired cairn]

Probably the latter tbh. What is their longest running specialty game?

[past sphinx]

munda i think

[runic swallow]

Uh, might depend how you define specialist

But maybe Munda, yeah

But if Horus Heresy counts, maybe that

[topaz hinge]

Mordheim because Mordheim never dies

[past sphinx]

def the longest noncontinuous product line

[uneven ember]

I started with Necromunda, yeah.
then it was gone for a minute (several years)

[tired cairn]

How does Bloodbowl fare?

[tired cairn]

I think it used to count but no longer would?

[past sphinx]

about 10 years give or take

HH is a specialist game like the old world is

[uneven ember]

pretty well, from what I've seen

[past sphinx]

all 55 people who play it swear by it to their dying breath

bloodbowl fucks but ive literally never seen someone play it

[still warren]

I occasionally see people doing bloodbowl leagues but only the videogame version

[sour sequoia]

Funny enough, the chuddiest most annoying, gatekeeper-y employee at the LGS is specifically all-in on Bloodbowl

So if you come up to fuck off nowhere Montana

You bet your sweet ass we can get you some bloodbowl

I’ve never seen it literally anywhere else, Confounding

[pastel rampart]

I played BB exactly once and by halftime half my roster was knocked out because my opponent was playing orcs.

[uneven ember]

checking Wikipedia
BloodBowl looks like it has most of a decade on Necromunda as far as "non-continuous specialist GW game" longevity

[runic swallow]

Huh, interesting

[uneven ember]

but I never got into that one!
just Necromunda, Mordheim, Inquisitor, BFG, and Aeronautica Imperialis

[tired cairn]

Hey, you can still use your (Imperium) AI models in Legions Imperialis >.>

I wish that game was set in 40k instead of 30k 😭 . But it's probably for the best of my wallet and backlog that it isn't

[runic swallow]

Funnily enough the only Necromunda I played was a (slight redux) of the original rules with some guys who’d been playing it for a long time off an on

[uneven ember]

(even then not the Valkyries 😔)

[paper bluff]

Bloodbowl is a silly game and it should be

[runic swallow]

Are the halflings still the “you only play this to go in knowing you’ll lose and just wanna make it hilarious” faction?

[paper bluff]

There are a few like that

Gnomes are very much like that

[thin ibex]

i almost wish that the helbrute's rule about having two melee weapons was a "the other weapon gets Extra Attacks

[solemn gull]

I’ve had amazing luck with halflings Ngl. The trick is only trying to score after you’ve used thrown all your halflings at the other team.

The look on your opponent’s face when their poor wood elf team has halfling sized holes in their torso.

[jagged dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/NgDQGNZRp3

Absolutely peak

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bd7cy92l/crush-heads-and-drink-blood-with-vandoth-the-fallen/ can you belive that the dark angels have been looking for the fallen all over the galaxy and then it turns out they where on necromunda all along

[paper bluff]

That's a blood angel

[south axle]

He may be a fallen Angel, and his armour probs should be black at this point, but I don't think he is of the Dark kind

[paper bluff]

On the scabbard

[south axle]

Like the Blood red Power armour boots and fangs weren't a dead give away

[junior robin]

he also drinks blood in the lore and hate chaos.

[floral herald]

Seems like a cunning disguise for the Fallen ngl

[paper bluff]

Might call every chaos person horus

[south axle]

Why I think his armour should be black

[pastel rampart]

Many a BA drinks blood without falling to the Black Rage.

[south axle]

Ye, but do they leave dried out husks behind them?

[paper bluff]

He thirsty

[floral herald]

Isn’t the black rage like, basically separate from the red thirst?

Like both happen but they’re not really causally connected

[pastel rampart]

Red Thirst often leads to the Black Rage but not always.

You can get affected by the Red Thirst but still walk back from it.

[past sphinx]

Valdoth has always been suggested to be a blood angel, im glad he's getting a character model

And I'm very glad he's a fucked up weirdo

[paper bluff]

On a planet of fucked up weirdos he's one of the most

[hard whale]

Even if he had fallen to the black rage, there wouldn't be any other blood angels around to repaint his armour. It doesn't change on its own!

[paper bluff]

In a different server I'm in it was pointed out that is an umbra pattern bolter

[past sphinx]

Yup hes always been shown with an umbra, i wonder if the BA ever got deployed there during the heresy

He'd be an ancient bastard if so

[pastel rampart]

Umbra-pattern bolters are still in use 10k years later and still get produced on certain forge worlds.

Heck, Sisters of Silence still use them. Same with Mantis Warriors.

It's an uncommon pattern nowadays compared to the Godwyn pattern but not super rare.

[valid brook]

damn he brought snacks

[past sphinx]

Damn totally forgot about the sos

I should build another box with swords

[pulsar cairn]

Whats the difference betwen umbra pattern bolter and 40k era bolter?

Just looks?

[paper bluff]

Well

Broadly looks

[jaunty dawn]

umbra pattern bolters are 40k era bolters

[paper bluff]

But there's lots of marks of bolters

[jaunty dawn]

this is the godwyn mk Vb

which is the one that the bolt rifle is developed from I guess? theoretically

[pastel rampart]

Umbra first showed up in Rogue Trader and kept on truckin' for a while after, and has retroactively been applied to 30k/Heresy era.

[jaunty dawn]

mm

same with phobos

[dense sedge]

its a shame that you can't have a malstrain ashwaste nomad gang

has to be one of the main houses

[dense sedge]

did not pick up on that but that checks out

[dense sedge]

Necromunda has cio stuff, but resin

[past sphinx]

Our plastic is cool to

[thin ibex]

what about the very old bolter thats teh size of a small pistol and mag is like right at the barrel in the front

[dense sedge]

I have malatrains but they’re on the wrong base size for necromunda since I use them for purestrains proxies

[paper bluff]

I see necromunda and think maybe but I know I should not

[solemn gull]

No way I was talking about this guy yesterday

[solemn gull]

Ta-da

Clearly I’m psychic

[sour sequoia]

oh man I got first game of my LGS's nachtmund gauntlet campaign tomorrow
Nachtmund's deployment rules are not playin nice with Necrons points lol

[solemn gull]

There being a blood angel on necromunda isn’t even the craziest thing. Sometimes eldar show up I think necromunda counts as a kitchen sink at this point.

[sour sequoia]

Neat bit but good god this thing hates on xenos from what I can tell

Dont think I’ve seen anybody find decent divvies besides marines

[junior robin]

did some googling and seem that one is the umbra except the moved the mag back

got the same thingy at the ejector port

and round thing behind

[paper bluff]

Anti-bullpuping

[thin ibex]

weird idea

but i wonder if playing CSM legionary spam might be one of the easiest beginner ways to have a functioning list

3+ save, 2 wounds, heavy melee, heavy ranged, etc

bonus on targets on objectives

not like... competetive obv

but

the unit is solid, effective, and has a tool for every problem

[upper bluff]

Is it very good $ to point?

[thin ibex]

oh was thinking digital, apologies

[sour sequoia]

considering the amount of work I got done over the weekend just running like 20 immortals I'm starting to believe in just spamming marine-equivalent MSU

[upper bluff]

Oh that's not a problem lol

[thin ibex]

cause a friend in a league is currently playing daemons as a first timer because of the 4++ perma save on everything but it actually has a lot of extra rules interactions and the shadow of the warp

where i feel like CSM legionaries are just like

quality dudes

who do what they say on the tin

dark pacts are maybe a mitigating issue, but like, you can not use them too

though i do feel like maybe daemons might be easy to play in the sense that you can sort of just bring a bunch of greater daemons

to do all your work

but yeah i think CSM and battleline spam might be a legit way to play

so would playing SM and playing Anvil siege force

with loads of intercessors

[floral herald]

It’s… ok

The biggest problem with legionary spam is that Chosen are also there

And are really fuckin good

[thin ibex]

easier to spam legionaries tbf since you can bring 6 squads instead of 3

and the legionaries can bring a lascannon, the chosen cant

not saying chosen are bad

[floral herald]

Awkward part is that the legionary box doesn’t actually have a lascannon in it

[thin ibex]

what heavies does it actually come with?

[floral herald]

Heavy bolter and missile launcher

[thin ibex]

but in this case the consideration is digital anyway

Well, thats not so bad i suppose, HB and Missile

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s not awful

[thin ibex]

mostly its a "would this work for someone who is not deeply familiar with the game or strategies therein" and I feel like CSM legionaries might be better than daemons

in that they can do just about anything ok

they dont come with a permanent 4++ though, thats for sure

but 3+ is actually pretty reslient in general

[floral herald]

Tbh you can bring CSM tournament lists fine they’re a very neat and potatoes army

[brittle salmon]

Especially with Creations of Bile on the table, meat and potatoes CSM is better than ever

"why yes, my Terminators do hit on 2+. thanks for asking. also I brought back that Oblierator you killed, sorry"

[thin ibex]

Oh for sure, though I'd worry that like layered interactions for said Newby player might not go well

With Fabius I mean

They're likely to forget a lot of rules interactions as is, say like dark pacts, that might be forgotten frequently

[past sphinx]

okay ive played a lot of horde csm and its alllll most good but really fumbles on moving them big fucking blocks around