Warhammer and Such

[thin ibex]

you build your list in new recruit, go and find all the models you need to represent your stuff in forceorg, then save them as an object in tts, then generate a yellowscribe code off of new recruit and generate the list in yellowscribe, load your models and assign them one by one, then generate army.

[wary cape]

think I gotcha

[thin ibex]

if you run into any issues just @ me and ill see if i can clear anything up

[pulsar cairn]

They eat

[tired cairn]

Who is he talking to and why was there any question that the emperor would love them

Oh. Because it's not him talking. Doh

[jaunty dawn]

lmaooo

that would be great

[spice flicker]

That is Dantioch, the iron warrior responsible for drawing the tyranids to the galaxy when he tried to save his loyalist friends during the Horus Heresy. So those are tyranids talking to him.

[tired cairn]

Hmm, I see

[spice flicker]

Can't do anything nice in the warhammer setting without it turning bad later on it seems.

[tired cairn]

No good deed goes unpunished

[spice flicker]

Lamenters are proof enough of that

[tired cairn]

(I personally prefer the Hivemind being such an alien intelligence it can't meaningful talk to people, but this isn't totally consistent with 40k lore)

[topaz hinge]

https://www.tpmblr.com/strawberry-crocodile/773667298776055808?dark

[jaunty dawn]

the pharos thing is boring imo

[topaz hinge]

Does anybody know of any digital sculptors that do dieselpunk takes on battle/prime brother vehicles?

[uneven ember]

yeah, it's Castlevania (2017)
they're doing the Bishop and the demons in Castlevania

[tired cairn]

I'm not familiar with that

[dense sedge]

oh man, castlevania was 2017? Ugh

[solemn gull]

new season last week though!

[cinder wraith]

the bones

[floral herald]

I think this is a photobash kitbash but it’s dope

[dense sedge]

oh really? Nocturne season 2 I guess?

I hope we see Shanoa some day

[tired cairn]

"the almost perfect" is such a funny title

That color scheme is very slaanash

[floral herald]

Yeah

The cog-Slaanesh symbol is also cool

[pulsar cairn]

A slaneesh tech based group?

Would that be like....trying to make the perfect machine?

Or machines that have a luxurious design?

[tired cairn]

Both or either

Excess covers a lot of ground

Though ultimately making bad equipment because they are overengineering like the Nazis did with their tanks would be pretty funny

[pulsar cairn]

[desert jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059907630006550588/1332827043045576835/RDT_20241007_1322284463656549751328617.png

[pulsar cairn]

Is that a new avatar of Khaine model?

[thin ibex]

biggest reason i would love to collect eldar is the avatar of khaine

i love that model

[sonic hare]

it's sick as hell yeah

[pastel rampart]

Eldar in general have consistently great designs and I honestly can't think of any bad model from that line.

[thin ibex]

my ideal army is kind of sub optimal but i love bringing like one of each aspect warrior squad

[finite compass]

As meh as I am on the whole Pharos concept

I fucking love th excerpt where the hive mind actually notices it

``Far beyond the fringes of the galaxy there was naught but endless black. Past the last few stray stars plying their lonely track through the cold night, past the dead worlds and the fragments of galactic collisions billions of years gone, past the probes sent out by extinct races recorded in no history…

past all that and beyond, there was a night sea studded with the diamond islands of distant, lonely galaxies.

Though incomprehensibly vast, this sea was not empty. Great behemoths of the deep lurked there.

Into the eternal blackness, a flash of quantum energy shone out at many times the speed of light; a brief flare, milliseconds in duration, projecting from an unremarkable spiral of stars.

It was not missed.

In the darkness, something of limitless hunger stirred in a slumber that had lasted for aeons. A million frozen and unblinking eyes saw the flash, tripping cascades of stimuli.

Their purpose served, the eyes died. The entity processed the message the eyes provided without ever truly awakening.

Automatically, instinctively, its gargantuan, dreaming mind analysed the signal, comparing it against all parameters for the one thing it sought.
Prey.

Slowly, glacially, the Great Devourer shifted its course.``

[uneven ember]

It's a pretty dope scene.
There's a Bishop who burned a woman (Dracula's wife) as a witch, and Dracula starts calling up demons to murder everyone, and the Bishop is convinced that the reason things are going so badly is that God's mad that he and his congregation haven't set enough people on fire.
The scene the artist was doing here is when the Bishop can't understand why the demons can set foot on blessed ground, & the head demon answers that "God's love is not unconditional. He does not love us, and He does not love you."
which is a pretty hard line.

[tired cairn]

Oh, that's pretty sick

[uneven ember]

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Bluesky · Jan 25, 2025, 9:21 PM

[thin ibex]

This being before the dex obviously

[sonic hare]

the locked tomb

[jagged dawn]

Oh hey Castlevania quote

Man that scene is good

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC1kke-WgLo

Such a good scene

[bold halo]

Avatar of khaine acquired

I'm gonna paint him like shin godzilla

Large man made of meat

[cinder wraith]

chainswordint

[quaint compass]

Wroom!

-n't

[jaunty dawn]

playing kill team navy breachers and already regretting my actions

[floral herald]

Uh oh

Not looking so great?

[jaunty dawn]

just feel kinda lethargic

might still do alright

also the robots fully feel like a trap option I think

i think maybe they should go from 1/2 operative to free with their controllers lmao

at least the cat would probably see some play then just cause a comms person is pretty much always worth

but im playing with the box atm

also even then probably need to be a 12 man team at leaaaast

[pulsar cairn]

[jaunty dawn]

just lets them get free strats for being under strength tbh. they have pretty good ones

maybe thats why they didnt though lol

but yeah the bots are like, increasing your activation count in a team about reducing activation count

(so like if it did free bots they should probably group activate with their controllers too)

i think the frustrating thing is they have some really fun units just held back by the rest of the design

theoretically first real dataslate will help them out

but like if theyre gonna wait 3 months to fix them they couldve at least not fixed their mistake xP

[floral herald]

It’s weird that they don’t have GA2 with the bots controllers yeah

They definitely need some help I think they’re the generally agreed upon bottom 1 team

[tardy vault]

I saw some Kill Team stats semi recently and it was dire yeah

[jaunty dawn]

for sure

theyre just fundamentally broken

lmaoooooo

ran the grenadier in to hit two pathfinders in smoke

so I had to get within 2" to be effective

and then did 4 damage to my own guy

So he had no way of surviving the return ion rifle that got 3 crits

[wary cape]

So, would any folks be willing to intro me into 40k over table top sim?

I've seen the video series on how to play

Got an idea of things

But not actually done a game yet

I know I can do a demo game in a warhammer store to, but would be nice to know how to do it on TTS to

[jaunty dawn]

gonna ping @thin ibex in case he doesnt see as I imaging he'll be up for it

[thin ibex]

id be down, though i cant today, could possibly do tomorrow afternoon?

like... at or around <t:1737936000:t>?

[wary cape]

I won't be home until 7pm tomorrow due to work

7pm gmt

So <t:1738004400:t>

[wary cape]

That for me is midnight

So don't think those times would work sadly

Maybe we could do next weekend if the offer is still open?

[thin ibex]

yeah! lets at least try for it

[floral herald]

I’d be down to spectate

[thin ibex]

got pathfinder on saturday morning for me, sunday is open

[floral herald]

I know 40k ok but I don’t know TTS for it

[wary cape]

What time would work best for you Sunday?

I'm free all day Sunday

[jaunty dawn]

okay so another thing thats bullshit about breachers is they dont get their armour bonus against sweeping profiles which is fair enough if it wasnt for the fact that sweeping profiles get every single benefit of torrent (namely, lethal 5+ in gallowdark/volkus buildings) but not the like, single negative

[floral herald]

Yeah that’s a bummer for them

I think maybe the most positive thing I can say about Breachers is that maybe their sacrifice was worth it for Exaction to get so buffed

Cause last edition their positions were kind of swapped

Of course both could just be good

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[floral herald]

Exaction getting Repress on everyone and better arrests and such was so good for them

[tired cairn]

Hopefully it's just new edition pains. 40k balance was super wack until a few balance patches in and then for the most part balance is really good (especially compared to historical levels lol)

[floral herald]

Yeah the dataslate is just taking so loooonng

KT24’s balance is… mostly good too

There’s like 2 missions which suck and about 3 way busted and 3 real ass teams

(Warpcoven, Legionaries, and Heirotek being the real busted ones)

[jaunty dawn]

For sure its just like

Sadge

Otherwise a pretty solid launch tbh

[tired cairn]

9-11 seems close? But I also really don't understand new KT score spreads lol

[jaunty dawn]

I think couldve been a draw if Id managed to pull off a plan to breach the enemy objective cause thats worth 2 points

Also wouldve been a draw if Id chosen primary op better haha

But yeah no it is pretty close but like

Compared to the 17-11 i did last time with the kroot

[floral herald]

And I think it’s Breachers, Pathfinders, and maybe Kasrkin for the really struggling ones?

[jaunty dawn]

And some pretty good rolls on saves as well

[thin ibex]

maybe <t:1737916200:t> ish? what kind of point scale do you want to play at?

[wary cape]

That works for me, maybe some combat patrol to start with if you think that'd be a good intro?

I do want to run some imperial knights but I think combat patrol with tau would be a better starting point

[thin ibex]

yeah we could do that, the CP's take a bit of finagling as some of the models don't match the current datasheets for 40k

but it s totally doable

[wary cape]

I would do like 1k points or something if you think that'd work better

[jaunty dawn]

oh also kt24 needs gallowdark terrain expansion rules so bad playing without any terrain is just so sterile

[thin ibex]

1k should work a bit easier yeah

[jaunty dawn]

i might just use the old rules next time as much as possible

[wary cape]

Maybe 1k then with some imp knights

Rex and the boys

[thin ibex]

ill bring my tau, see if i can make my irl 1k list work

[wary cape]

I fear my knights will get sniped across the map, but it's all a learning experience

[thin ibex]

its alright its not a skew list

but it does have at least one railgun

[wary cape]

I hear knights might not be the best army cos its very feast or fammie

Your opponents either have the anti armor or they don't sorta deal

But I like the big stompy

[thin ibex]

my list is a combo of like the star.... star conqueror? box and teh combat patrol, +1 broadside

next purchase is gonna be a hammerhead i think

[wary cape]

Nice

Although I sorta hate the default paint jobs for hammerheads and stuff

To me it just clashes with the red and whites of the rest of the non-kroot forces

If I were to get them, I'd want them far more anime

[thin ibex]

oh my personal color scheme is a silver and purple/pink scheme and my plan is a blue/orange or blue/white kroot coloration

Once i get vespids, I haven't quite decided on what color I want to go with for them, but a bright orange with silver armor might be the way i go

[wary cape]

Nice

[thin ibex]

one stumbling point i encountered was that i did a test of squad markings in orange, but im not happy with em, so i gotta figure out how im gonna adjust

[pulsar cairn]

@cinder wraith we going blood for the blood god?

Oooh btw

Yall think we'll get a guilliman and fulgrim rematch?

Probably not on this next book

[untold swallow]

Not unlikely

[pulsar cairn]

But i think that would be exciting

[untold swallow]

was it big G or the Lion who fought Angron most recently?

[pulsar cairn]

It was the Lion

[untold swallow]

I think GW might go for having each of them get two of the big 4 chaos primarchs

So either big G or the Lion might fight him next

[wary cape]

Thinking of all the cool things you can do for a Cerastus Knight shield

[wary cape]

Empty space is a blank canvas

I wonder if I could cut out some shapes of clear plastic from spare mtg sleeves

And stick them together

And kinda add a highlight where they're stuck together

[rocky shale]

You'd probably want something more rigid like a hard sleeve top loader or something

[wary cape]

Maybe yeah

I wonder if you can get those in different colours

Maybe several shades of blue

[floral herald]

Killteam Q, are basic Vigilants like... worth taking?

Basic shotgun guys but their special rule (shoot while engaged) is pretty good

[pastel rampart]

Blood Ravens still kick ass, wish they'd stayed the focus of space marines a little longer.

[floral herald]

I’m gonna make 2 - I doubt I’ll use more than that

[floral herald]

cops assembled

big ass roster with no magnetizing true 2 boxer

[dense sedge]

crusade game was a tie 90/90, I won the tie breaker by having more points on the battlefield (350 to 290)

[tardy vault]

Got 20 of these things, figured I should get started

[paper bluff]

The new telemon dreadnought did well in their first game

[tranquil ivy]

Boredom is funni when you have parts to use

[unreal cosmos]

Vigilator material

[thin ibex]

hmm at 1k i may be woefully inadequate to killing knights, but i do have a railgun and i do have breacherfish

\

[paper bluff]

You'll want more than one rail gun and don't forget grenades strat before shooting

The tau players i fight don't run ethereals, what do they do now?

[thin ibex]

generate cps mostly

and this is my irl list, so i just happen to have it

[paper bluff]

Also hang on, chaos or imperial knights?

[thin ibex]

ims

and yeah, i dont actually HAVE any other railguns

i could swap to the fusion collider on the ghostkeel

and maybe swap to a sun team on the crisis, but thats 20 points i dont think i have

once upon a time i was planning on buying another broadside, but still havent

and hammerhead is on my list

hammerhead/skyguard

(planned purchase list)

[paper bluff]

With imperial at 1000, you'll be dealing with a big knight and 2 smaller. Maybe some infantry with ad mech

[thin ibex]

i think im well situated to handle infantry/elite enfantry, i lack volume AT

i wonder if my better plan is to target the small knights and just eat what hte big boi dishes out

so that they only have one objective scoring unit

and then spend the rest of the game hiding my units as best possible in behind buildings n such

[floral herald]

Knights present few enough targets that you can get some mileage with just massed shooting of any kind tbf

[thin ibex]

if i wasnt trying to run my personal list i could tailor hte list more, but theres a bit of fun in trying ot make what i have work

[paper bluff]

Hmm vs tau, I would take one of each small knight. The shooting small knight has anti-fly and and battle suits have the fly keyword

[thin ibex]

yeah def

though also the small knight is prey to a broadside

[paper bluff]

I'd say take out big ASAP. It gives benefits to smalls. There's an invulnerable when shot they can make better with a CP depending on the detachment they take. Shoot big gun first, put fear into them with big gun. If they use the strat, dump all other shooting into the small buddy the big knight will have

[jagged dawn]

:)

[thin ibex]

id be worried, with my firepower, that i sink an entire round of shooting into a big knight and small knights and dont bracket anything

[paper bluff]

The small knights only have 12 wounds with 10 toughness. 22 on most big with 12 tough

[jagged dawn]

Honestly we’re looking forward to when we get to play our chaos knights

[paper bluff]

Small knights in chaos knight genuinely slap

[thin ibex]

i kinda feel the same with imp knights, but they have less variety. That being said both the helverin and the... other one whos name i forget, have all the tools ot be successful. Just better ot have big bois for buffs

[jagged dawn]

We’re currently building for an iconoclast detachment but the good thing is we can just swap over if need be

A war dog is a war dog

[thin ibex]

personally i think the chaos big knights are fun

cool models for sure

the abominant is sick with the tusks and the ravens

[jagged dawn]

Mhm

They’ve got so much personality

[paper bluff]

Hmmm should I buy a telemon, sight unseen knowing it is already magnetized and assembled for 175$

[thin ibex]

thats a steep price imo

for a single model

[tepid stratus]

It's like half off the retail price lol

[thin ibex]

oh is it really?

the telemon is like 300 bucks?

[paper bluff]

And it might come with the arms and weapons

[tepid stratus]

It's fw and the guns are sold separately

[thin ibex]

well ill reiterate then, thats a steep price, be it at full and the reduced cost

phew

itd be incredibly cheaper to get a proxy printed

like buying the stl, talking to someone with a printer, getting it printed and shipped to you, would all cost less

[paper bluff]

Too late sadly

The folks I used for printing really let me down with it with the custodes models

[thin ibex]

:/ sorry to hear that

[paper bluff]

Warped, lines separated, greenstuff repaired. Tbh, it turned me of printed hammer

[thin ibex]

was this a single individual or vendor? or did you have this experience across multiple?

[paper bluff]

I've had problems any time i get things printed

[jagged dawn]

Hmm, saw an interesting Krieg conversion where it was cadian bodies combined with 3D printed Krieg heads

Tiny legend if we recall

[runic swallow]

I’ve had good experiences with 3D printed stuff, but it was all vehicles

And nothing too spindly or hyperdetailed

(Two HMMVS and a Hilux)

[paper bluff]

That's sadly all custodes vehicles aside from the landraider because the landraider is just a landraider

[runic swallow]

But it’s gold

I will say it’ll highly depend on the specific printer too

[paper bluff]

Well aside from the plant. The plane i have a full size proxy of

[runic swallow]

But yeah, some of GW’s stuff is just very much made for injection molding and not printing

I should say the stuff I had printed was with a UV resin bath and not an extrusion printer

Basically printers are different from each other, some have much more potential for detail

[pastel rampart]

There is, thankfully, plenty of proxies out there that are printer-friendly if you don't care to be exact.

[paper bluff]

I could use help in finding a printable telemon caestus

And uv print custodes landraider doors

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/custodes-landraider-door

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/custodes-landraider-fronthatch

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/custodes-land-raider-doors

https://cults3d.com/en/tags/telemon?srsltid=AfmBOopcl0uYKJdKD1CiIqBT-b4QEXdvKTC2onw4tCJwCN1q70FPopmh As for the Telemon, harder to find. There's more proxy variants than outright recreations.

https://www.crealitycloud.com/model-detail/63e6100d2a2ddd07a4765d93

[paper bluff]

Space janitors and golden bananas also what some folks use to get STL files for custodes out there

[runic swallow]

I’m still sad that GW hasn’t made any official shirtless/“Punished” custodes models

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/users/Tablehammer/3d-models Tablehammer has a lot of stuff.

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/relic-sarcophagus-ordo-invoctorix-ancient-mech-walker-modular-set These are especially neat.

[tired cairn]

I've seen it suggested that, in addition to showing off how good their injection molding tech is, some of the sculpting choices are to make it harder to 3D print

[runic swallow]

Yeah I’ve heard that

Definitely a lot of the floating on whisps of robes/scrolls/etc feel like an anti-printing thing

[pastel rampart]

Hasn't worked nearly as much as GW hoped it would.

[upper bluff]

I think everyone agrees that warhammer models are too expensive but at least a majority look fantastic compared to the same model printed

[thin ibex]

ive rarely seen complaints about quality

its often been more about cost

[pastel rampart]

That's highly dependent on the printer. I've had stuff printed that, once painted, is indistinguishable from the real deal.

[upper bluff]

Oh i thought printers weren't there yet. 👿 time to start researching

[pastel rampart]

Oh they've been there for years, haha

My friend got a resin printer with a 2k resolution in like 2020 and while there's better printers out there, it still pumps out amazing stuff.

[upper bluff]

taking notes

[thin ibex]

the consumer tech is there, its more about the files, the printer being used, and the finishing done by the individual doing the printer

[pastel rampart]

Like, this is a scan of the old metal chaos troll and you can't tell unless you hold it due to weight difference.

[tired cairn]

Not all of the models are super wispy. A bunch of stuff is still reasonably easy to cast or print (plus some older models still are floating around)

[solemn gull]

You need a bit of scrungle

[thin ibex]

anyone know of any services that will print an stl you provide and send you the result?

that pan out to be cheaper than like... buying a model outright?

[pastel rampart]

Not off-hand, no. Doubtless there's plenty out there, maybe on Etsy.

[jagged dawn]

Fuck you

TACTICAL ROCK

[runic swallow]

I love tactical rock

Also this reminds me, behold, official US Military diagram:

[jagged dawn]

Also if you want a good example of printed quality

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrintedWarhammer/s/0BdBvlTrTC

[runic swallow]

Also, 8K resin printers are pretty damn cool

[tired cairn]

I wish the (liquid) resin wasn't so toxic and dangerous

[runic swallow]

Unfortunate how often that happens with hobbies

Better than casting your own lead miniatures like way back in the day I guess?

[tired cairn]

lol. Probably

Though resin for casting isn't too dangerous I don't think. Though now I'm wondering if the UV activated stuff used for non-3D printing purposes is also as dangerous

[pastel rampart]

Casting resin--that is, what you pour into a mold--isn't as dangerous. Just wear gloves and don't drink it and you'll be fine.

[jaunty dawn]

I think he means the type you use with a uv lamp

[tired cairn]

I probably could have used a paragraph break for clarity

[pastel rampart]

The ones needing a UV lamp also aren't as dangerous and follow the same guidelines. It cures quick enough that you aren't likely to get high/fucked up on fumes unless you're trying to do that on purpose, in which case please stop.

[tired cairn]

Hmm, are they similar chemically? In addition to fumes, the dangers I associate with resin 3D printing are accidentally splashing yourself (which can cause mounting allergic reactions or bad burns if you miss cleaning a spot and then go outside) and tricky environmental cleanup (particularly with uncured resin)

[pastel rampart]

I don't think so?

Like, I assume the UV resin people typically use outside of a 3D printer are the ones in little dropper/squeezer bottles for easy application.

[jaunty dawn]

There are uv stuff used in dentistry too

[pastel rampart]

https://imgs.michaels.com/MAM/assets/1/5E3C12034D34434F8A9BAAFDDF0F8E1B/img/2502BBD63CBF4694AEE30256B38F0059/10627464_2.jpg

Use with Blue Moon Studio UV LED Lamp or Sunlight (sold separately)

why am I buying sunlight

It's free

[tired cairn]

lol

[pastel rampart]

But yeah those specifically cure quickly under UV. Very useful for things like puddles and goop on bases/models.

Probably blood effects too, if tinted red.

[jaunty dawn]

But that type of resin just isnt suitable for stereolithography (resin printing)

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[jaunty dawn]

Stuff like flow rate etc

Or large volumes like a big water effect

[tired cairn]

I've seen some pretty cool water effects with clear resin. Someone also did a real cool "necron rising out of lava" paint job using UV resin

[jaunty dawn]

Big like multi litre pours haha

[pastel rampart]

I've used clear resin for water effects before, to good success.

[tired cairn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/cL7KZSz6dWI?si=_KGmdaWgXXj5U2DI

[thin ibex]

messing around with an aux detach for knight fighting

[wary cape]

I'm thinking I should just use the list from the valorlance strike box

Because if I do get a box, it'll be that

Means no rex but it's still 1000 points or there abouts

[thin ibex]

(this isnt the list im using, the one im using is further up)

[wary cape]

Ah gotcha

[thin ibex]

(and far less ready to blast big robits

xD

[wary cape]

Fairs :p

I am curious what knights will get this year

Apparently a new model?

Same for chaos knights? But maybe the model can be used by both

I wouldn't mind another armiger sized fella for variety

But big knight probably sells more

And there's some popular forge world ones Apparently

[jaunty dawn]

I wonder if theyll get some other thing

Like cause im pretty theyve committed to new model every edition at this point

[wary cape]

More detachment options for chaos would be cool

[tired cairn]

I hope they make the forgeworld stuff (particularly the plastic one) official in the codex

[thin ibex]

an armiger thats got a more generalist loadout might be neat, or a pure melee one

[jaunty dawn]

Though I dont think ik got anything in 9th

[tired cairn]

Maybe release the other Cerastus(?) knights in plastic

[jaunty dawn]

Maybe reboxes was their excuse

The cerastus are all out

Its the mechanicus knights and bigger knights

[tired cairn]

Well, they should get added to the knight codex haha

[wary cape]

Deep strike armiger?

[jaunty dawn]

Doubt they will tbh

[tired cairn]

I am only against an armigar release because I want GW to buff big knights lol. Otherwise they are a now reasonable size for a model release

A character you can put in a knight who pops out like that one guy would be cool too

[tired cairn]

I agree unfortunately. I find the current precarious state of forgeworld's legality in 40k to be pretty shitty on GW's part

[jaunty dawn]

Very

[paper bluff]

The FW knights are basically all plastic kits with some resin special bits aside from the porphyrion

Well that frame of knight

[wary cape]

Well now I've made about £150 from selling stuff

Dare I look at the valorstrike lance box

Cos realistically, if I'm gonna do it, I want to do it right

And that means drill bits, magnets, paints, airbrush

So I'm really looking at like £200-300

[pulsar cairn]

expensive hobby

[wary cape]

Ye

Maybe I can steal someone's at a hobby store

Do folks let other folks borrow supplies like that?

[thin ibex]

short answer yes, long answer it depends

[jagged dawn]

How we got all our magnetizing tools was through our dad because he does woodworking

[paper bluff]

I got a Dremel tool from my grandpa

[pastel rampart]

A pin vice is going to cost maybe 10 bucks and is a solid investment.

Get a 1/8" drill bit for said vice and you'll cover 3mm-wide magnets, which is the most common type we use in this hobby.

[floral herald]

I feel like a dremel is WAY too much oomph for magnets usually

[paper bluff]

Sometimes. My hand cramps with the little drill thing

[pastel rampart]

It absolutely is but the dremel is very useful for pewter models and getting a pin deep into plastic.

[floral herald]

Yeah for pewter it makes sense to me

[pastel rampart]

Most of the time when you're magnetizing you only need to go about 1mm or so deep, so a hand vice does the job.

[floral herald]

I’d just be worried about damage to small plastic models

[pastel rampart]

That's why we got greenstuff!

[tired cairn]

I would be scared of using Dremel on all but the biggest plastic parts

[sour sequoia]

GW plastic at least is pretty tough—I was drilling the shit outta ratling guns last week and it didn’t warp anywhere

[tired cairn]

There are cool pen drill things that seem more useful for plastic

And yeah, without something automated, drilling metal minis is terrible lol

[paper bluff]

I use it on knights, and large resin models

[tired cairn]

I'm more scared of overdrilling than destroying the plastic with a Dremel

[pastel rampart]

I will use my dremel on plastic but I have one of the stylus dremels, so it's not putting out as much power as the standard ones.

[tired cairn]

You might also want to consider larger handled ones. I have found them to be much more comfy

[pastel rampart]

https://www.dremel.com/imagestorage/en-gn/dremel-stylus-lithium-ion-298-2016-png-org-2357_w_1474_h_1474.png

This one.

[tired cairn]

Oh. That seems like a much nicer form factor than the standard one

[pastel rampart]

It's really nice! Very comfortable to hold.

[pulsar cairn]

Ooh

[pastel rampart]

I also got it for free tho, so.

[tired cairn]

That's always a nice bonus

[jagged dawn]

Think ours is this?

Or something similar at least

Screwdriver type handle with the ability to accept different sizes of drill bit

[pastel rampart]

Yeah you generally want a pin vice with a flared base, which I know is going to be taken out of context but it seriously reduces hand cramp.

[rocky shale]

Borrow a drill for an hour at the store? Yeah totally. Just use my magnets and paints (actual consumables) highly unlikely

[wary cape]

Well paints no, more tools

I'd buy my own paints

[rocky shale]

Yeah I mena it depends on the store and the people at the point

Like if you actually know the people

Some stores do just have a little paint station with an airbrush, mine does

[jagged dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-maniatic-laugh-risa-malvada-laugh-gif-13172371

[pulsar cairn]

Btw

During the scouring

Did every remaining loyalist primarch go missing?

[jaunty dawn]

Nope

Several stuck around a while

[pulsar cairn]

I see

Was it just Guilliman that almost died?

[thin ibex]

Rogal was around for a bit, then seemingly overcommitted into a clear trap and was never seen again

uh

Vulcan was around for a bit, actually died a bunch, showed back up, then vanished again

[uneven ember]

Yeah, Dorn was the most "presumed dead" I think.
On an exploding ork voidship? Or something?

[soft willow]

Presumed dead after boarding a Chaos ship.

Dorn went missing on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. Only his hand[18] was recovered, which is kept in stasis by his chapter.[2a]

They've started opening up a lot more wiggle room for him to come back since they started doing all the Horus Heresy stuff.

[paper bluff]

Corvax left saying nevermore, leman said he would be back for wolf time, vulkan was back for a bit during the war of the beast, khan went into the web way, rogal we covered

Aside from the ones that are back have I forgotten any?

[pastel rampart]

That's about it.

Sangy is dead though with a big caveat of "they have his body interred at Baal," Ferrus is dead but Emps brought him back as a force ghost that one time so take of that what you will.

[untold swallow]

I feel like one is mis- right sanguinius

I was remembering there were two dead ones

[pastel rampart]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/ferrus-209.jpg

Then again...

[untold swallow]

funnily, in a way that it's sad that it's funny

I remembered Manus first lmao

[pastel rampart]

Sangy and Ferrus both have an angle to come back with, but I think that'd rob the narrative weight of their deaths.

[untold swallow]

I mean

This is partly because the only thing I know about big iron is

he's dead

But

did his death have narrative weight?

[pastel rampart]

Conrad though, he's like dead dead with no real angle to suddenly come back. Not that I think he'd even want to, dude was miserable for most of his life.

[pastel rampart]

It's what set the Heresy off proper.

Once he died there was no take-backsies on it. That's a primarch, a brother dead.

[untold swallow]

fair point

[floral herald]

He’s got a big moment in end and the death pt 2 as well

[pastel rampart]

A few thousand legionnaires? Sure yeah we can sweep that under the rug, do a little penance, call it a day. But not when a primarch's head pops off like a cork.

[pastel rampart]

Oh, does he?

[untold swallow]

also wait Kurze is dead?

Isn't he

Still torturing Vulcan?

[pastel rampart]

Oh no no he got killed by the assassin M'Shen.

She lobbed his head off and tried to bring it back to Terra.

Konrad foresaw his death and basically welcomed it, and told the Night Lords not to interfere. But well, they did, because they're sopping wet losers like that.

[floral herald]

Yeah (spoilers ofc) ||Sanguinius meets his spirit - called back from the warp in the antechamber for Horus and they talk for a while before the duel||

[untold swallow]

god I just realized I can t-pose on my cousin that his primarch is dead

1st Legion superiority moment

[pastel rampart]

H-uh. So I guess ||a primarch's spirt just kinda lingers in the warp, huh?||

[bright dove]

I mean, it's at least a bit implied they're ||basically greater daemons of the Emperor||

[floral herald]

I think it’s ||a special case because of the general heightened level of time-fuckery occurring? I forget the details but Manus brings it up||

[pastel rampart]

Well, Emps brought him back during the War of the Webway, however briefly.

[floral herald]

I’ll see if I can find the section I think it’s something he talks about

[runic swallow]

Technically the feed cuts to static when the assassins strikes, but yeah he’s almost certainly dead

[floral herald]

Death and the end spoilers:

||“But I’m not a trick,’ says Ferrus. ‘I’m not an illusion, or some deceit conjured up from the immateria to divert you. You know that, don’t you? I can see you do. I’m dead, Sanguinius, but I’m here. I’m real, and I’m me, and I’m dead, and I’m here. That’s how powerful he is. He doesn’t need to make a ghost of me, or magic up some vision that looks like me. The warp is in him to such a degree, he can simply bring me here from the other side of mortality.”||

[runic swallow]

And Vulkan broke out of that during the Heresy, notably by reminding his brother who had taunted him with his signature weapon that even with its fancy teleportation tech disabled “It’s still a hammer.”

And beat the hell out of him

[bright dove]

Beat him so hard that Kurze desperately let him teleport away.

[paper bluff]

Idk. The real blocker giving iron hands a new mini

[bright dove]

Who?

[tired cairn]

If they do bring Sanguinis back, I got it's not actually back-back but instead just a manifestation of the collective hallucination of the death company marines

[paper bluff]

And also make the iron hands narratively important. But Truly i don't think ferrus coming back would rob his death of weight. I would freak fulgrim out, it be one of the most unexpected, g-man and lion would not know what to do

[tired cairn]

Oh, he was already temporarily brought back more than that. Meh

[paper bluff]

Ferrus coming back would be both the least and most consequential. We barely have him interacting with his brothers

[tired cairn]

He comes back and no one really cares? lol

"oh yeah. He existed"

[paper bluff]

Exactly lol

[desert jay]

What if Ferrus "comes back" but it's an Abominable Intelligence robot head grafted to his body?

(IDK why I picked that message to reply to)

Basically

[untold swallow]

oooookay

fair nuff lmao

[runic swallow]

It’s a very fun bit tbh

“Hey dumbass, blunt objects are still blunt objects”

[uneven ember]

which, of course
||"Konrad Curze" is Colonel Kurtz mixed with Joseph Conrad and M'Shen is Martin Sheen, it's an Apocalypse Now/Heart of Darkness reference, Konrad started with "killed like at the end of Apocalypse Now" and worked backwards from there||

[jagged dawn]

We are apparently in a admech mood as we’re adding onto our reading of Priests of Mars by finally playing to beat Mechanicus

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-wh40k-imperium-of-man-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-gif-1633196030595994455

[soft willow]

Praise the Omnissiah.

[solemn gull]

I mean I can understand why Talos did what he did

[paper bluff]

As the night hunter's line says "death is nothing compared to vindication"

[pastel rampart]

https://bskye.app/profile/theblacklibrarian.bsky.social/post/3lgnrqp5sjk2u

[junior robin]

finally, primaris lieutenant librarian

[untold swallow]

I'll fuckin take it tbh

[desert jay]

You think Librarians know what books are?

[tired cairn]

They know they are filled with knowledge, which reduces ignorance, and thus are evil

[thin ibex]

primaris book lieutenant

[cinder wraith]

my books = imperial truth = good
your books = codex astartes = stinky

this post has been fact checked by true imperial patriots (black templars)

[paper bluff]

And the ancorite

[untold swallow]

Okay this is twofold humorous for me specifically

Librarians are my favorite marines

And I'm in a master's program to become a librarian

[paper bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/necon-sip-gif-20028267

Psychic phase? Nope. Never used one

[cinder wraith]

psychic phase? more like returning angron phase

[runic swallow]

Major criticism of this; it would be much funnier if they animated the coffee immediately dripping down the faceplate

Smh, amateur funny-man hours here /j

[untold swallow]

@runic swallow I'm not quite at the phase where they teach us to shoot lightning or use force weapons but I imagine it'll happen at some point

[runic swallow]

Yeah, they only let you work with the Lovecraftian Artifacts once you’re in your last semester in Museum Studies programs

You gotta build the fundamentals before that, you know?

[mild glen]

Psychic phase? Silly gue'la.

[thin ibex]

we did away with the mind science phase

[finite compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9gVhv_T3Bk

Though this one is much better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgf7qGE9IR8

I just wish they'd actually get the dance steps to match with the music

[pulsar cairn]

ya know

i really like that one space marine chapter that goes in an train people

what are they called?

[solemn gull]

The Mentors

[pulsar cairn]

it feels like a great idea

teach folks how to defend themselves

and a space marine probably knows a lot about a lot of different enemies as well

so they really can help

[desert jay]

Detachment rule: Non-cultist infantry have +1 to ballistic skill

[bold halo]

vibrating ultrasonically reading through the aspect host detachment

I always loved fielding tons of aspect warriors and felt like the quintessential eldar fantasy is picking from a list of hyperspecialized units and pointing them at exactly what they're made to kill

and this DOES that

also hee hoo avatar big

a detachment that says yes, play the avatar and as many phoenix lords attached to their respective aspect warrior units as you can cram in 2k points is just a gun pointed directly at my face

full glass cannon, go fast don't miss

[floral herald]

A lot of aspect warriors got buffed too

I think Banshees are solid now unless they're super overcosted

[bold halo]

yeah banshees look nuts, crit fishing with lykhiss + spider exarch and baharroth both sound hilarious with the detachment rule rerolling 1s to hit

with the sustained hits stratagem? god

[rocky shale]

I like the flat 8 damage AoK strategem

[bold halo]

eat wailing doom idiot

good news is my brother is equally excited by the tau auxiliary cadre detachment so we're full sending it lets goooo

gotta get my avatar and scorpions painted up by the time the combat patrol is out

[tall depot]

is this army supposed to be good or bad?

[desert jay]

It's probably passable b/c everything in it is so good at shooting

But it's a meme because it misses the point of the Creations of Bile detachment and can't really use the strats either

[pastel rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1204508182303604756/1334002289521983529/IMG_5588.jpg?ex=679af1f2&is=6799a072&hm=d2455b68316b8cc7ed4da8ca4c2c89b0d9ae46b845a23b5055b34b71fa984853&format=webp&width=580&height=670&

[plucky token]

the true titans

[mild glen]

When you're playing Monster Hunter and a couple of unrelated Elder Dragons show up to settle some beef.

[pastel rampart]

Gork and Mork.

[tardy vault]

That's not even the best one in the video too lol. It's like the crossover between the serious memes and the actual BS.

The Drukhari list looks actually decent. The "meme" is that it's a complete mirror match

[tranquil ivy]

I have opened a can of worms

Archie's Forge has such good shit

Like ough

You name it, they probably have it

They even have stuff like MK3 Apothecary parts

I gotta buy these bruh

[hard whale]

Is that for Space Wolf Reivers or is there a crocodile-themed chapter that I haven't heard of?

[tranquil ivy]

PRAISE BE TO THE EMPEROR. ASTARTES 2 HAS BEEN REVEALED.

[tranquil ivy]

Space Wolves Reivers

But im doing to use them for a "Hellhound Squad" if I ever make one

Adrax Agatone and Vulkan Hestan conversions for my homebrew army!

[zealous vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbgYaeerXhg

[solemn gull]

Neat

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1334049836856643605/Screenshot_134.webp?ex=679b1e3a&is=6799ccba&hm=355b7778215aaae3c9a74f9e486820e4744e3b4aa636ef626cceecbaac2be111&

[zealous vapor]

lmao

[thin ibex]

Stealthsuit!

Question, in lore, a chaos veteran generally outfights an astartes right? Did that remain true against primaris?

[floral herald]

Yes generally

[thin ibex]

Was thinking about the like... frustration of generally being the most dangerous guy in the room, then a veteran of the long war being able to embarrass you and taunt you while they do it

[jaunty dawn]

Kill team dataslate!!!!

[floral herald]

At long last…

[jaunty dawn]

Interesting volkus changes

Terrain dataslate

[floral herald]

Oh cool no more unassailable sniper nest

Good change

[jaunty dawn]

Oh lmao vespids figured out how to open doors

[desert jay]

Did Breachers get any TLC?

[jaunty dawn]

Also can bank communion

[floral herald]

Poggers giant buff for Chaos Cult

Can make 2 Torments a turning point

Also accurate 2 for fancier boys with Fervent Onslaught

[jaunty dawn]

Aquilons can use a strat when they jump off a building instead of just deploying haha

[floral herald]

Buffs to leader and ploys

Not enough to save them imo but real buffs

[jaunty dawn]

Oh tesla weave nerf

Im glad cause that felt kinda obnoxious

[floral herald]

Legionaries being whupped by the nerf bat

[jaunty dawn]

And reanimation is always 1 wound only

Farstalkers accuracy replaced with balanced, interesting i suppose

Probably mostly a nerf but potentially better for crit fishing

Noooo

Piercing toxin banned :(((

[floral herald]

Vespids have caught up with velociraptors

[jaunty dawn]

Not entirely sure what the implications of the cut throat change is but im sure it fixes some bug or other

[floral herald]

And can open doors on their own now

[jaunty dawn]

No respawning book skull in agents

Also brought back the restriction on piercing spam

Ooh brace for counterattack buff on breachers is pretty nice

Its a very good ploy

Order being free while leader is alive is definitely how it should always have worked

And the increased versatility on her activation is nice

Aww recon trooper lost its inquisitorial agents utility

[solemn gull]

And you know what’s going to be even more dangerous. A Chaos Primaris in the warp, think about how insane the marines that get trapped in the warp for like a decade are. Now imagine if they lived there.

[floral herald]

Seems like it’s mostly nerfs to strong teams

With relatively few buffs to weaker ones

[jaunty dawn]

No pathfinder changes is surprising but I guess theyre counting on them not being gatekept or something

[floral herald]

No changes to Exaction either

But that makes sense

They’re I think a relatively strong team which is bad at tournaments

[brittle salmon]

Where can I find the dataslate with all the collated changes?

It's not on the downloads page for me

[floral herald]

You ||can’t|| I’ve just been picking through teams individually

[brittle salmon]

[desert jay]

AFAICT there's no collated changes, but each team at least has its own changelog

So it's not like squinting at PDFs and trying to remember what the old version was

[brittle salmon]

Phew, thank god for that at least

[floral herald]

Ooh some good stuff for Scouts

[tired cairn]

What makes them bad at tournaments but strong otherwise?

[floral herald]

High mental load makes them hard to execute on well for a full day of games

You gotta pretty seriously retool your roster and game plan per mission and per opponent

And they’re just complicated in general

[floral herald]

A lot of “tournament strong” teams are either so strong they can autopilot to victory with statistical privilege or just have a strong runnable game plan you can nearly always use

I think this is true of any game which uses this tournament format though

[tired cairn]

Hmm, usually I would associate that high skill ceiling situation with good players doing very well with it, but maybe poor overall win rates. But I guess that requires that the so strong they are autopilot teams to not exist as a category

[floral herald]

I think in fighting games it’s referred to as “tournament stability” instead

[thin ibex]

I imagine it's more like a small handful of people play them really well at a high level but otherwise folks struggle to make em work

[floral herald]

Basically simpler or more reliable stuff lets you use your fundamentals more and play more strategically than really complicated/unstable/gimmicky teams

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s kinda like how for most of 9E GSC we’re not that good

But the GSC tournament community was small and Real Gene Freaks

So they kind of carried the team above its weight class

And were mostly people who’d mastered the instability

[tired cairn]

So, would we say that the exaction squad is very
😎
exacting

[floral herald]

Kill team is also weird because of how you can’t change teams at all during a tournament (unlike a fighting game tournament) so there’s a meta of choosing the teams which are the best TAC teams for the meta and such

[floral herald]

I would haha

They’re kinda a crazy team with all of their bespoke mechanics and very specialized models

And Repress is a SUPER fucked up rule to be able to get on 5/11 operatives haha

(Always fight first+ double blocks)

Regarding Heirotek nerfs lmao

The thing I’m most excited about with the dataslate is honestly chaos cult being able to double-Torment now

[deft crest]

How bad are they now

or was this a while back

[floral herald]

Just happened

They’re probably still very strong

[deft crest]

Yeah went over it, Seems like the psychomancer is the only one i'm REALLY hurt by

Also death korp who i've been enjoying more got buffed so thats nice

Take aim always felt like the correct play and Ceaseless absolutely rules instead of only rerolling one

[floral herald]

Yeah word

Glad they’re getting a shot in the arm

[deft crest]

My first game with them vs orks was a tie game (But very much could have been their win if they went for correct objective)

[jaunty dawn]

Kinda important context for astartes 2 haha

[thin ibex]

its totally a fall to chaos story

[tranquil ivy]

No Tau fight :(

[jaunty dawn]

Could be a tau fight but not necessarily yeah

Its definitely a deathwatch story

[thin ibex]

deathwatch squad with a retributor, a scythe of the emperor, a blood angel, aaaand...

[jaunty dawn]

Son of medusa

[paper bluff]

Ah looool, I bought a custodes dreadnought not knowing what what arms it would have and thought "oh I'm sure it will have at least one of the fist" GUESS WHAT IT DOESN'T HAVE

2 of each of the gun arms, no fists

[jaunty dawn]

Oop

[paper bluff]

The quest continues. The 3d print versions are meh

I don't like the claws versions. Looking for the fingers

[upper bluff]

oh lmao. That is a very strange direction for a trailer (especially since one of the clips was actually from the original Astartes animation)

The one clip of all the Orks ganging up on the one guy

[thin ibex]

More than one actually

The three scene with the dude top bracing the bolter while shooting at nids all around is also from that trailer

[floral herald]

How does this feed work anyway

[past sphinx]

ROTARY BREACH

[junior robin]

got another army idea: ordo chronos time marines

[floral herald]

It’s feeding into an ammo box

Which is what makes it really weird for me haha

Or the shell of one anyway

[junior robin]

like it could somehow bend inside the box but I tried it topographically and I think the bullets would end up backwards...

[finite compass]

I mean ignoring the 'feed into ammo box' thing, changing ammo orientation isn't exactly unheard of

[paper bluff]

Wait! Where's that one "complicated mechanism to turn ammo vs. Slide" thing

[tired cairn]

The ammo box being vestigial because the STC fragments they pieced together still had one would be on brand

[wary cape]

It's where the machine spirit keeps its snacks

[pulsar cairn]

Dont some titans have a level of self awareness? And the admech say it's just the machine spirit?

[jaunty dawn]

All titans have very sophisticated machine spirits

That you have to be highly trained to commune with successfully

And even then you need backup

Knights have a slightly different gestalt consciousness thing going on with the throne

[tired cairn]

It's kind of weird how different Knights and Titans are

[floral herald]

There’s some old lore (Titan: God Machine) which iirc likens a Titan’s machine spirit to different animals

Like bears for Warlords and wolves for Warhounds

[thin ibex]

arent titans like... also super belligerent machine spirits who will totally wash out a human's brain if they're not sufficiently disciplined/mentally strong

[floral herald]

With the natural implication being that somewhere in the machine is animal brains

[jaunty dawn]

Knights are designed to be piloted by dumb colonists I guess

[floral herald]

Titan God Machine also has “ghosts” of previous princeps remain in the Titan’s neurocircuitry

Which comes up in a psychic battle with the tyranids involving corrupted titans

[tired cairn]

Having your agricultural equipment try to mentally dominate you would be pretty annoying

Oh, so both knights and titans have the previous users minds imprinting into the machine thing going on?

[floral herald]

I think it’s more of a thing with Knights

Or at least

More contemporary

Titan God Machine is from like 2004

[tired cairn]

That wasn't so lon... oh no

[pulsar cairn]

Even the machines in the imperium have trauma

[tired cairn]

Well, a bunch of them are made from tortured mind-wiped humans, so that gets baked in from the start

Though, if they are using STCs, are most machine spirits more likely to be Definitely Not Computers or are STCs from after the machine rebellion thing?

[pulsar cairn]

Who even designed that wtf

[floral herald]

Machine spirits aren’t really a coherent thing

[tired cairn]

Fair

[floral herald]

It’s a name people use from everything from simple superstition to purpose created warp-shadow to simple control circuits to lobotomized animals to “actually I lied, this is just an AGI with a funny name” and more

[meager quail]

It's a religious descriptor for a wide variety of phenomena

Which sometimes actually map to the religious descriptor

Because Clap Your Hands If You Believe

[paper bluff]

Yeah it's kinda like.... nueral map build up

Knights were the forklift of their time. Titans were made for a purpose of weaponization

Take like... you might be able to drive a car. That takes some know how and skill. You, with knowing how to drive a car wouldn't know how to operate a forklift. The person who knows how to operate a forklift wouldn't know how to operate an M1 Abrams tank (generally)

Maybe an excavator would be more apt than forklift but you get the idea

[jagged dawn]

We’re currently reading priests of mars, can confirm the animal imagery

https://tenor.com/view/wolp-combat-wolf-gif-8373753437480012599

[untold swallow]

I was 3 :D

I can drink now

[thin ibex]

Off hand anyone know if guard are updated in New recruit?

[topaz hinge]

They won't be until standalone codex release

[desert jay]

TBF there's like pre-1998 worldbuilding and post-1998 worldbuilding for 40k

[tranquil ivy]

CORVUS HELMETS ARE FINALLY COMING TO SPACE MARINE 2

Yey

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408452338622267401/1334357181100986408/235odfuxfzfe1.png?ex=679c3c77&is=679aeaf7&hm=2a729565a710d024cf45710519ec8dcdef1fcb8b6c1bc8791868f2b0fd8d92e1&

[jagged dawn]

Yes yes

[tardy vault]

Played a 750 game against Fyreslayers. Extremely close game ending with the Fyreslayers tabled top of turn 3. If any one of multiple rolls went the other way (including some absolutely bullshit charge rolls I made) I would have lost.
Also Fyreslayers shooting is terrifying

[pastel rampart]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/5W5NeW

[tardy vault]

someone is having a very very bad day

[sour sequoia]

Is that the battle trait axe chucking? I think they’re literally all melee otherwise

[tranquil ivy]

What does this look like to you all? A spear? A pike? A halberd?

[modest meadow]

Spear or pike personally

Please tell me that's not in the tabletop counted as a halberd.

[thin ibex]

https://youtu.be/k_plih5b9To?feature=shared

Emperors children and warp travel

[modest meadow]

XD

[thin ibex]

I know they've kinda stepped away from the glam metal influence, but man would it be sick if Fulgrim's flagship looked like a massive electric guitar

Powered by rocking out

[modest meadow]

It would. Sadly GW likely considers it a grand service that they have actually gotten their asses around to actually making an emperor's children roster

Given that -for some reason- the emperor's children were not granted a codex after the other monogod Legions were released

Feels strange to see them entering the stage now in 10e

Late to the party but afaik the first in 10e of the chaos space marine subcodexes to actually be announced

Alongside a new Nurgle char

[tranquil ivy]

Im playing a homebrew chapter which are a successor of the Salamanders, so i didnt wanna just run Vulkan Hestan as himself

So i made a custom character that uses Vulkab's stats :>

So uh, yeah, his spear is a pike now it seems

[modest meadow]

Swear to Tzeentch if TS gets another character instead of some actual TS unique vehicles I'm going to scream

[tranquil ivy]

Yep

Definitely a Chapter Master (im praying he actually looks like one)

[modest meadow]

I think he do ❤️

It looks beautiful btw, 3d print or kitbash?

[tranquil ivy]

Completely kitbashed save for the base

[modest meadow]

Awesome 😎🆒

[tranquil ivy]

Originally he was a Chaplain Consul

[modest meadow]

I haven't the fortitude to get into the model collection or painting

[tranquil ivy]

Only issue was it's a monopose model, so i had to do a lot of cutting

Now there's one issue that stands with his mini currently: "Where's his flamer"

My excuse? His Boltstorm Gauntlet has been modified in order to fire like an automatic shotgun. It shoots so fast and so erratically that it's impossible to evade.

[modest meadow]

Owing to a mixture of: I live with people who disdain frivolous buys
I am a terrible model painter
I haven't anyone nearby to play it with
And I also sweat and feel dread at GW's prices

[tranquil ivy]

The best way around this?

Tabletop Simulator.

Its a one-time purchase and there are discord servers for 40k

[modest meadow]

❤️ yeap, that was my mentality when I bought yus yus :3

I have a ton of tabletop board games downloaded, all of Numbra's models and a fair portion of Scorpio's and I also have trench crusade stuff

[tranquil ivy]

Luckily for me I also have tts so i dont have to spend my life savings

yeah

totally

Ik it's blurred

[modest meadow]

If I had to start collecting though... I am ashamed to say that it'd probably be Cities of Sigmar

[tranquil ivy]

My camera fucking sucks

[modest meadow]

Nah it's beautiful

Very based land raider choice. Heavy Flamer sponsons always fun

(I say ashamed as quite frankly I know AoS has Alot of disdain around it)

[tranquil ivy]

Well im playing Firestorm

:)

[modest meadow]

The reason I say cities of sigmar is: I love the idea of just mortal warriors, nothing special about em, facing off against giants

No superhuman transformation. Just faith, steel, gunpowder. And the occasional spattering of mages

[tranquil ivy]

Got my thousand point list here all ready for a game tomorrow >:D

[modest meadow]

https://images.app.goo.gl/66DqwUo21rJWmmsQ7

[tranquil ivy]

Age of sigmar is cool

I kinda wanna make an Ork army that has Skaven instead of Orks

[modest meadow]

https://images.app.goo.gl/4a5hjzcPRGNZGXJt6

[tranquil ivy]

I have a judiciar and a brick of bladeguard

All in an Impulsor

Its gonna be fun

[modest meadow]

https://images.app.goo.gl/3yfxnYCzY8JVY5u7A

Hohohoho nice nice ☺️🙂

Yeah though I love the freeguild cavaliers and other such models of cities of sigmar

So if I were to take a foray into collection and painting (after watching guides and taking tips) it'd be with cities of sigmar

[thin ibex]

I feel like aos has lost a lot of its stigma over time

Because it has so many sick models, the game has been fairly balanced historically (dunno about rn)

And apparently the lore is pretty good?

[desert jay]

I mean they basically just did one per edition, TSons in 7e, DG in 8e, WE in 9e, and now EC in 10e

[modest meadow]

Eheheh, yeah it also helps that The Old world is back as a supported list so people aren't treating it as a "This killed the old World"

[desert jay]

Which yeah it sucks to go last I guess when the whole process takes over a decade

[modest meadow]

Yeah .. let's just hope they don't wind up like leagues of votann

Who quite frankly are on life support and possibly going to get Squatted. Again.

[desert jay]

They've previewed a solid sized range, I think almost on par with Death Guard

[modest meadow]

That's nice and all but as a TS fan where's our range >.>

[desert jay]

Yeah, TS and especially WE feel like they got the shorter end

[modest meadow]

Hoping TS sees a traitor Guard regiment of its own in 10e, but mostly:
An infantry Option Anti Vehicle Weapon
Something to make Tzaangors worth even considering
Please for the love of Tzeentch can we get some unique Vehicles

Yeah though hopefully WE and TS get sum nice gubbins

[desert jay]

WE have just 7 kits that aren't a "all the legions" kit (and this includes Berserkers, Master of Executions, and Lord of Skulls which CSM can also take)

[modest meadow]

Could be worse though

Could be LoV

Who im fairly certain will get a codex by the tail end of 10e

Because quite frankly ....

GW really shot themselves in the foot hard with that one

Given the Full Auto weapons that don't need the Full Auto Conditions to proc, the Armour of Contempt+ they had at launch

It is a full on damage control situation I'd reckon and they are VERY nervous about adding anything new to it

Yeah though cities of sigmar is what I would foray into, that or Thousand Sons

I like the aesthetic of Ossiarch Bonereapers but working for Manchild Nagash and his toady mannfred gives me the conniptions something fierce

[modest meadow]

Good luck on your match eheheh

Lemme know if we get any teasers of TS stuff ❤️

Night all ❤️

[jaunty dawn]

Leagues have gotten two kill teams

Also im positive that armour of contempt was their rule first, and backported into the dataslate

Cause its the void armour rule that they and breachers kept even after power armour lost it again

[tranquil ivy]

The tyrant's old flesh has been torn asunder. Pried from it's frame to be made anew. A spitting image of what i truly desired from it all along

A True Warlord.

Aka im reworking my Hive Tyrant because im not happy with it

[tardy vault]

Nope, they do in fact have a dedicated range unit. 2 4+ 3+ -1 1d3 for a base unit of 5.

Also Shoot in Combat 🙂

They fucking hurt (tho to be clear I play DoK so...)

[tranquil ivy]

Me when a bridge gets dropped on me

[floral herald]

I think Nighthaunt are still kinda crazy but there’s fewer weak factions

[pastel rampart]

http://puu.sh/KnkP7/134f0500e5.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GidrNdUXUAE9CBq?format=png&name=900x900

...why.

[dense idol]

that penultimate sentence extremely No Fun Allowed energy

[desert jay]

Wack, there's some really good usage of some bits

[dense idol]

real "can you imagine a world without lawyers?" beat

I didn't event want to see a Genestealer Starhost until you told me i can't

[desert jay]

Also, Chaos Daemon player looking very nervously at their submission

[paper bluff]

Well that spare hand might have made this pose dramatic

[floral herald]

I think I’m technically afoul of this rule because I use a counts-as AOS only KoS model with my CSM haha

[desert jay]

There's a AOS-only one of those?

[floral herald]

Technically no

But Synessa/Dexessa I thought were named character keepers of secrets until this morning

But they’re actually something else I guess

[paper bluff]

Heresy Thursday has what is basically a tech inquisitor

[desert jay]

Also saw some examples of mixed models that look gorgeous

https://bsky.app/profile/love2pronk.bsky.social/post/3lgwokcqv4c2v

(@love2pronk.bsky.social)

Here are some of the things I made this invalidates. Can you spot the conflicting pieces? Answers in alt text. Also this is very dumb.

Ricki - Hero Hammer (@ricki-kitbashed.bsky.social)
This is killing my mojo, you cannot use any kits or components from AOS in 40k armies on parade, and the same goes opposite. So if you're planning an Exodite army it may not feature any AOS dinosaurs or dragons for example

#warhammercommunity

Bluesky · Jan 30, 2025, 4:47 AM

[bright dove]

So this may be me just not knowing much, but what does Armies on Parade mean for this?

[south axle]

As in what Armies on Parade is?

[unreal cosmos]

They were? World Eaters came out just last edition

[bright dove]

Yes.

Some research seems to be indicating that it's GW's painting/modeling competition for an entire army. Like Golden Daemon, except more?

[south axle]

Ish

[floral herald]

Armies on parade isn’t much of a contest iirc it’s more a way to get your fellas in white dwarf iirc

[tepid stratus]

They're the twin daughters of slaanesh. They had a whole sub plot in AOS but GW gave them the Ynnari treatment

[floral herald]

Well, now they’re gonna have to step it up to win the aura farming contest next to Fulgrim :p

[tepid stratus]

Aura farming... Jesus Christ I'm only 26 and already new phrases are being rolled into casual conversation that make me feel old and out of touch

[south axle]

I think Armies on Parade isn't as painting focused as Golden Daemon, with flavour/composition can help a bit, and the tile can also do some heavy carrying if you go that route

[floral herald]

I’m 30 and using terms like aura farming age is a state of mind

[bright dove]

OK, so this is people who made stuff before the rule change showing discontent.

[floral herald]

I think it’s a dumb change as well

There’s a lot of cool cross-line modeling

[south axle]

Kinda, but they also moved from the use mostly GW stuff to limiting it to franchise within GW

[bright dove]

I don't really work on that side of the hobby, but it seems like kind of a nothingburger to me?

Getting nettled over game changes and what's allowed there, sure, I get that. That's more money you've got to dump into your game to play how you wish.

But, like. I'm pretty sure that Stegadon conversion up there isn't game legal?

[south axle]

This isn't even for the game side of the hobby tho

[floral herald]

Yeah these are mostly display models

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/209725.page

But also it’s a shame to make stuff like this illegal

Better photos

[pastel rampart]

GW themselves used to combine WHFB and 40k kits that they'd show off in White Dwarf so it's all very silly and stupid.

[south axle]

No more Stormcast hammers for marines

[bright dove]

The fact that you specified WHFB shows me that it's been a long time.

[pastel rampart]

A very long time, hah.

But I bet someone at GW did it with AoS too, you'd just have to trawl WD over the past decade or so.

[deft crest]

Sharing one of the strangest patch note I have seen in a while, Total Warhammer III

CA why is there even a difference code wise

[tepid stratus]

The only coding logic I could see existing is for the generic lord/hero variants. Essentially having a separate boolean or class (however their character code is structured) for gender to determine with voiceline set that character uses.

[deft crest]

You know what, thats a great answer and makes it make a lot of sense.

[thin ibex]

iirc its also cause the female generic heroes, like the elven noble, have a different set of abilities than the male noble iirc

i think the same is true with wood elves

[deft crest]

Shows how much I play elves

[tepid stratus]

Yes and no. Each of those can be a totally bespoke class which wouldn't require the type of code sharing that could lead to a bug like this but an example like the sorceress hero and high sorceress lord for dark elves sharing the same voice pack would be simplified by a shared gender code class

[pulsar cairn]

I like the space elves Corsairs

[jaunty dawn]

armies on parade thing was clarified to just be the same rule as previous iterations

whether it was a mistake or a backpedal idk

I think it was just badly worded tbh

[floral herald]

I lean towards badly worded

With the intent being more like no “mixed setting forces”

[tired cairn]

Oh, that makes more sense

but you could totally have a medieval looking unit in 40k by the settings own logic

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

you just can't do a 40k vs AoS battle scene or whatever

or like you can do feudal levies but not by just using unaltered cities of sigmar models

[tired cairn]

(I think knights should get technofuedal levies)

[sour sequoia]

Oh so they do. That’s actually pretty mean for 130

I’m too used to skaven ratling guns and my perspective is skewed but ouch

[tardy vault]

A reinforced unit of those against 5 snakes=dead snakes

[sour sequoia]

Oh and crits hit the move stat too

Thats gonna make gloomspite n elves cry

You usually play DoK? I got a buddy trying to learn em but I dont have anybody at my LGS who uses em so I don’t know jack

[tardy vault]

Yep

They're tricky

I'm still pretty new

But what I've learned so far in the low point games is unrelenting aggression

You need to hit first

And you need to be stacking buffs

+1 Attack Here, strike last here, strike first there, a double fight to taste etc etc

suddenly your enemy has to deal with 100 mortal wounds before they can clap back

(ok, 100 mortals is literal stars align, but you get the point)

[sour sequoia]

The flexible fight-twice scares me lol

You lean wizards or priests usually? They’re the only faction that seems to really split focus between em so I’m not sure how many I should be recommending

Skaven n Ogors easy, slap a grey seer/butcher or two in and boom done

[dense sedge]

I looked up Leman Russ stats and I had no realized how scary those things were

[sour sequoia]

Imperium tanks in general are incredible rn because of the different design paradigm for armaments and leman russ is like the best of all of them

[tired cairn]

My friend is a bit salty because he feels like GW is trying to push out the Leman Rush for the Rogel Dorn

Barely related, but I think tank commanders should get a power sword attack profile

[solemn gull]

I thought that meme died in like 2009

[paper bluff]

The leman russ design/ model is how old now?

[floral herald]

They’re from 2010

[tardy vault]

You really want Wizards. Like, really really want them. Your unlimited is run and charge while your single biggest damage buff is also a wizard spell. Priests are needed if you run DoK Manifestations as the best one of those is a priest one and their round manipulation stuff is a priest chant.

The issue is Priests are aelf only

so you either run a hybrid list or you have to accept the possibility of not being able to choose first turn on an army that really likes controlling who goes first.

[sour sequoia]

Oh wow sacrament is a funny prayer

Gotcha gotcha thats easy enough

Kind of a relief it doesn’t seem hard to fit good wizards, I’m so used to the ones like I said where your options are basically all wizard 1

Grey seers rip but they’re still only level 1 and pop like balloons

And ogres gotta fight for fitting manifestations and their 1-2 unholy buff spells

[tardy vault]

Your real wizard options at 2k points are either Morathi lol lmao or taking a Hag Queen and 3 Doomies

Below that the Medusa becomes a viable choice as a wizard

also, you desperately want either a Gladiatrix or an Ironscale in your general's regiment

They function as key buffing pieces for your hammers and now can give out a movement aura

On top of their ability to either destroy an enemy hero or give out charge rerolls (respectively)

[thin ibex]

i want to try playing ogors in aos

but no new models

till i finish my current set

[sour sequoia]

They are fantasy side custodes its great

You deal with a lot of weird points values and certain models being frankly anemic for what they are (Tyrant is basically a 170pt ‘enable all listbuilding options’ but the big draw is… 120pt screening units over taking bricks of murder) and the part where Gutbusters and Beastclaw do not interact rules-wise or listbuild for each other at all

But in exchange you get dunks, Frostlord on Stonehorn with the anti-ward artefact and All-Out Attack reasonably gibs greater daemons and slugs it out with Archaeon on charges, Gluttons get your +1 attack spell and kill anything

Some options are Just Bad but your good options are honestly fun enough it more than makes up for it, Butchers are nutty—12” bubble of run+charge when your run is 2” faster than everybody else

[modest meadow]

Where would y'all recommend to buy from for collecting Cities of Sigmar models?

[jaunty dawn]

pretty much anywhere third party in your country

if possible

[thin ibex]

How good is a leadbelcher build? Are the merc guys any good currently?

[modest meadow]

Im not sure my area is conducive to third party game stores

[meager quail]

https://i.imgur.com/alvUcVC.jpg

[tardy vault]

Literally just ordering them off of Amazon is cheaper than buying GW

Also ebay

also, definitely look around for local shops you might be surprised.

And if you find one, physically go to it.

Many shops have cabinets of used models that they aren't allowed to post about online

[floral herald]

There’s also some 3rd party online places around

[tardy vault]

yep

Every country is a bit different, but in the US you should expect around a 15% discount

[modest meadow]

❤️

Acknowledged and will do ❤️

[jaunty dawn]

most stores are gonna be a similar level of discount since they have a limit from gw, so a lot of it is just where has the best shipping

[paper bluff]

A good community at a game store can be a wonderful thing

[modest meadow]

Quietly writes CollectibleSquids off the list

Apparently 4th Ed Cities of Sigmar models aint worth trying to get in supply worth a damn

[modest meadow]

https://www.theroguetraders.com/cities

[pastel rampart]

https://fixvx.com/Ricki_Kitbashed/status/1884991290292457687 Yeah they backtracked on that real quick

[modest meadow]

They kinda had to

it was stupid and would serve only to mutilate their image to the customerbase

And they already took a hit with the whole leagues of Votann debacle and Warhammer+ nonsense.

[modest meadow]

Yeah I compared to the Official site and a few other online sites, this one seems to be the best bet for an online place

so far anyhow, not sure if there's anything better but prolly not

[thin ibex]

wait has there been new leagues of votann controversy?

I feel like they're in a decent spot rn

[modest meadow]

Eh, mostly just the god awful launch they had of "Oh yeah we have full auto unconditionally" and other such things

[thin ibex]

as far as i know they're pretty decently balanced in the current gamestate

[modest meadow]

They could do with some more stuff though but any moment they haven't been squatted -again- is probably a good time for the leagues

[thin ibex]

i dont see any reason why they'd be squatted again

that seems unlikely to me

[modest meadow]

I mean Yeah but.. there also wasnt quite a concrete reason to squat beastmen from AoS But uh, here we be

[tardy vault]

actually, we know the reason even if GW isn't saying it

Old World got Beastmen and no sharing models between games

(what this means for Daemons in 40k? Well, there's a leak about that and considering how things are shaping up and it's not looking good)

[thin ibex]

In gw timelines, as a faction LoV just came out, I feel like its a bit doomy to presume they'll get packed up and tucked away

Aside from the balance launch issues, from what I can tell their models are fairly well recieved

[tardy vault]

LoV's main issue is they're missing half their range it feels like. Give them a couple new units and they'll sell like hotcakes.

[rocky shale]

Votann have been fine for all of 10th

They do need a range expansion tho

[thin ibex]

the main thing is that they're fully functional with their initial release range. They'd love some additions for sure, but they can field well rounded armies as is

rather than a release range that forces hard skew

admittedly the two ways i see LoV lists skew is heavy mechanized or Hearthguard all day-ALLDAY

[tardy vault]

Yeah, they need more options so you can have more skew options

[modest meadow]

OH god.

https://tenor.com/bXDEb.gif

[tardy vault]

like, you can build a good list with them and their options, they just need more options so you can really stretch out.

[thin ibex]

ironically my like litmus tst for option quality is how well can i engage with a theme first before optimization

[paper bluff]

Folded into godsworn traitors

[thin ibex]

or like, how many ways can i make a bad list

[modest meadow]

And yknow, So they aren't predictable as all hell

[floral herald]

Honestly kinda works better for me personally

If CSM keep access and we get traitor guard out of it the dark gods stay winning

[tardy vault]

I'm glad you asked!
||There was a leak a while ago that stated the word on high was Daemons in 40k had to go in order to comply with the no shared models order. The first step into that plan was sticking them into the god specific codexes i.e. World Eaters, Tsons, etc. This step is actually cool and a good idea and is already happening with Emperor's Children and Slaanesh daemons. The next step, tho, is in 11th when they publish the indexes, they just do a small range trim to those armies and oops would you look at that no more daemons.||

[floral herald]

I’m kind of skeptical of that personally

Since daemons are like The Exception for a lot of things

[modest meadow]

If they really pull that shit GW is really stupid and really needs to put the foot down on the inter company ego war >.>