idk how they compare to the super big knight but I think theyre the tallest
#Warhammer and Such
jaunty dawn
thin ibex
they're questoris iirc
thin ibex
i thought about bringing a lancer or acheron
but the magaera feels very mechanicus coded
jaunty dawn
i was thinking of atropos
yeah magaera stryx and atropos are like the mechanicus knights
if the plastic stuff is seen as leaning imperial
especially with mechanicum being more seperate in heresy era
moirax armigers tooo
gosh
tired cairn
I hope they make the Cerastus officially 40k. But they also seem to want to have more of a split between their game lines, so I'm not sure if it will happen
thin ibex
styrix was also in the the running but lightning gun persuaded me
I think the cerastus is IN 40k yo
its not even legends i think
Acheron, atropos, and i think lancer?
jaunty dawn
yeah
jaunty dawn
all the resin stuff for knights stayed in the game like custodes did
jaunty dawn
in retrospect I think its basically a case of when stuff gets plastic
like fw needed to keep producing the custodes and knights resin while the plan was to sunset basically everything else in 40k
that isnt a super heavy
the lancer et al are plastic now but yeah
paper bluff
Funnily enough, pretty great versus light infantry and has to melee to vehicle kill
The styrix and megarea fw kits are funny also because they are basically a knight paladin kit with resin bits
hearty wasp
I once brainstormed different take on a sci-fi version of Warhammer. And realized today that Stormcast Eternals parallel Thunder Warriors
jaunty dawn
theyre also like chaos warriors but not chaos
thin ibex
i knew if i was going to rp an explorator fleet i wanted an allied knight, and so went magaera because lightning weapons have the right vibe to me
for mechanicus
tired cairn
its not even legends i think
It's forgeworld and not part of the codex proper. So it's in danger of going legends
If it doesn't get added to the codex when it comes out, I will give them the side-eye lol
paper bluff
I think chaos warrior and thunder warrior are very parallel if you think of the enhancements done to the TW as mutations.
paper bluff
If it doesn't get added to the codex when it comes out, I will give them the sid...
Please, I beg you. My custodes and imperial knights have so little choices without them
finite compass
I think chaos warrior and thunder warrior are very parallel if you think of the...
Eh. Thunder Warriors were still designed. And the random mutations Thunder Warriors tend to get are more 'super-cancer' than the actually occasionally beneficial CW ones.
tired cairn
I think Imperial Knights are mostly ok (I don't know how popular the Lancer is). But yeah, I hope they move that stuff to plastic and then move it into the codex (the fact that they didn't for Custodes is a bit disappointing)
tired cairn
Do you think they have enough weapons
floral herald
No!
thin ibex
Do you think they have enough weapons
Gotta be able to fight the primaris gun platforms
granite basin
GUN:GUN
pulsar cairn
is that an actual mini?
thin ibex
No no, it's a shop don't worry
pastel rampart
I don't doubt someone has tried to make it tho.
It'd be properly orky with some rivets and metal plates.
pulsar cairn
it would make sense for orks 
thin ibex
Primar-ork Dakkor
jaunty dawn
kinda fucks
paper bluff
I think Imperial Knights are mostly ok (I don't know how popular the Lancer is)....
Even just the special dread in plastic would have been enough!
finite compass
ebon forge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdROMMaUdlc
Finally a propa ASMR
pulsar cairn
has anyone here played wrath and glory before? i wanted to know how complicated the system is 
pulsar cairn
i dont know dark heresy
paper bluff
Dark heresy is... pretty hard
The story about the terminator kill flip comes from it yeah?
thin ibex
has anyone here played wrath and glory before? i wanted to know how complicated ...
@floral herald has (sry for the ping)
I have it but haven't played it yet
paper bluff
I have imperium maledictum but haven't played it
pulsar cairn
i took a glance at the book 
the amount of options for characters of different races makes me think it could work for a game in a rogue trader's ship
i have no idea of what the rules or the game is like tho 
finite compass
The story about the terminator kill flip comes from it yeah?
There are a lot of hilarious Dark Heresy system fuckery stories
paper bluff
I have the dark heresy books. Had a hard copy but also all the digital
finite compass
Like Grendel the Adept.
24 agility
no combat skills to speak of
Face to face with a Charnel Daemon (IE "this routinely eats Space Marines")
Managed to roll something like five crits in a row with a standard knife and ends up one-shotting it.
paper bluff
There are a lot of hilarious Dark Heresy system fuckery stories
IM also has fuckery. Like bbeg psyker into great unclean one perils first session
finite compass
``Anyway, they mess up horribly on trying to find the cult, and don't even stumble upon them until after the summoning ritual has started, but come with some local administrators in tow. What follows is a massive bloodbath, resulting in 23 bloody as fuck deaths (2 being party members, the Scum and the Assassin). This was all DURING a summoning ritual to Khorne, who is just so pleased with the impromptu slaughter that instead of sending in some pussy lesser daemon, he sends in a fucking Charnel Daemon. So, it was at this point that in theory, the only way for the remaining acolytes to accomplish this mission was for at least some of them to escape long enough to make an exterminatus call and MAYBE make it back to a transport.
The very first person who got to act after the Charnel Daemon appeared was the Adept. He decides to charge the daemon, and hopefully buy a scant moment or two for the rest of the party to get a head start (noble sacrifice and all). So, he charges it with his knife (he had opted to trade in his staff for a knife earlier, just for flavor reasons). He successfully hits it (impressive, when he has a weapon skill of 27) and proceeds to roll a ten. We were all impressed, and then he successfully confirmed righteous fury, so he got to roll again. Ten. By this point we have started roaring, as we find this hilarious, and joke about how crazy it would be if he killed it.
He kept rolling. Ten. Ten. Ten. Ten. Ten. Ten. Ten. Ten. Nine. ``
Castus Grendel is now a Living Saint
paper bluff
Does Fabius Bile get empowered from the being he made worshipping him I wonder?
Cause that would be some delicious irony
solemn gull
The story about the terminator kill flip comes from it yeah?
Are you referring to the caber toss meta
solemn gull
has anyone here played wrath and glory before? i wanted to know how complicated ...
It’s alright. The most simplified and crunch-less of the 40k rpgs.
solemn gull
Depends on what type of game you want to run
tardy vault
``Anyway, they mess up horribly on trying to find the cult, and don't even stumb...
Classic
solemn gull
It’s the “hero shooter” of the 40k rpgs
pulsar cairn
i was thinking of having a one shot based on a rogue trader's crew 
also dont u mean shootah? 
raw vessel
Does Fabius Bile get empowered from the being he made worshipping him I wonder?
I think they hint at something like that in the novels. A word bearer he keeps around (via explosives planted in his head) is told that "Fabius' name is being whispered more often in the warp" and gets asked if that means he'll start worshiping fabius as a god soon, which shocks him into silence.
I'll see if I can find the exact passage.
pulsar cairn
is Bile chaos undivided btw?
i know he doesnt actually believe in the gods but i imagine he's at least classified as a chaos space marine
paper bluff
He's a hyper atheist but uses any worth while tool. He's also a HUGE sadist and egoist
solemn gull
I would call him a renegade
paper bluff
He's a hyper atheist but uses any worth while tool. He's also a HUGE sadist and ...
I cannot under stress how much of an atheist he is. We are talking a some what of a blank effect
paper bluff
I would call him a renegade
I like the idea of his apothecary association
pulsar cairn
did that save him from getting chaos corrupted? was he always just crazy? he wears a fricking skin cloak 
raw vessel
He's arguable the first ever chaos space marine
pulsar cairn
thought that would be Erebus
raw vessel
Erebus was malicious and used the gods to his advantage, Fabius was the first to fall to their corruption via his need to for perfection and his constant struggle against his disease.
pulsar cairn
finite compass
TBF, Erebus and Kor Phaeron were both very Chaos on the Downlow from the moment they became Space Marines
They never gave up the Old Faith of Colchis
raw vessel
Spoilers for the Fabius Bile trilogy ||So even though Fabius is an atheist, his ego means that it blinds him to how he is influenced by Slaanesh, rather than putting him above Them. In the final book, after turning to Fulgrim for help, he asks his Word Bearer friend "Is a slave that doesn't know he's a slave still a slave?" to which the World Bearer replies "Yes, and he is also a fool." I feel that one question sums up Fabius. He lives a life of denial, both of the fate of dying from his disease and of serving the gods, but in the end they feast on him all the same.|| The trilogy is probably my favorite out of the 40k books I've read and I absolutely recommend anyone check them out.
ebon forge
Btw, what is the great plan of thechaos god? Aside from total domination
floral herald
Fucking one another over, forever
dense sedge
That’s a really cool homebrew
jaunty dawn
I think to a certain extent like
they don't really exist like that
like it only becomes a plan once it enters the materium
floral herald
The chaos gods interest in the materium is like an infinitesimal fraction of their might and 99.99bar% of their efforts go into tweaking one another’s noses
And occasionally ruining someone’s day
With the last little fraction of might
ebon forge
So basically cartoon villains and nothing above that?
floral herald
For a given value of cartoon villain yeah
ebon forge
ah , kinda... sad and one note, but oki, thank <3
upper canopy
The Chaos Gods are an ever consuming maw of entropy that will reduce all of creation into a swirling maelstrom of raw stuff
ebon forge
I though that was Mallal's deal
thin ibex
I feel like a great plan full of distinct phases and steps would be exactly counter to the concept of "chaos'
bright dove
I feel like a great plan full of distinct phases and steps would be exactly coun...
That's Vaashtor.
paper bluff
TBF, Erebus and Kor Phaeron were both very Chaos on the Downlow from the moment ...
if you're from colchis pre-emperor showing up you were worshiping chaos actually. benificent chaos but still chaos
finite compass
Well not exactly beneficent, there were still apparently human sacrifices and such
tired cairn
I feel like a great plan full of distinct phases and steps would be exactly coun...
You just need to add enough phases and steps and branching points (see, Tezeetch)
pastel rampart
meager quail
Crunk Marines
junior robin
really wish I could travel back in time and stop the designer who removed the corners from the csm shoulderpads 
other then that, so hyped right now
ngl, its a bit hard staying hopeful after seeing how little they gave the world eater, really hope we at least see the return of the sonic dreadnought
jaunty dawn
I like the csm shoulder pads
especially the ones with mk6-ish no trim on the bottom part
pastel rampart
My brain immediately screamed "MARK SIX NO TRIIIIIM"
unreal cosmos
Embossy the Trim Imp
junior robin
guess I'm the weird one then 
luckily already owned too many cms armies so didnt have to get any of the new models
tepid stratus
I do wish they showed off something other than basic ass shoulder pads...
I wanna see the weird shit
ebon forge
paper bluff
**DOOOOOOOOOOOOM RIDER**
that would be wild to disappear 2nd edtion onlt to reapper in 10th. on brand for doom rider but wild
past sphinx
heres my cope
CSM bikes BADLY need a refresh
AND theres a very small amount of notable Emps characters to pull from that arent bile and lucius
therefore, new bikes with doomrider as a chaplain on bike esc HQ/epic hero choice
alpine wing
https://fixupx.com/WH40kbestof/status/1856451620139127220
in the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, there is only modelo light
past sphinx
fucking hell the CSM bikes are still the 3rd edition ones
paper bluff
AND theres a very small amount of notable Emps characters to pull from that aren...
bile was in CSM as a character I thought
so, daemon primarch (doubt unless it's just the 30k one) and lucius
OH
and
tired cairn
CSM bikes ***BADLY*** need a refresh
Careful, or you might get chaos outriders lol
past sphinx
Careful, or you might get chaos outriders lol
just give them actual wargear and id take it
paper bluff
even has a 30k mini
past sphinx
csm kits are pretty good at being the "loyalists+" faction for wargear options
paper bluff
give the traitors some 30k weapons, thematically makes sense
past sphinx
id love to have a few volkite to toss around a squad
but alas
Marius Vairosean
awful name to remeber
also this art of him
pulsar cairn
He looks happy
paper bluff
was it Eidilon I was thinking of?
jaunty dawn
I think so yeah
he's like
the actual leader of the emperor's children haha
apart from fulgrim but daemonhood complicates suitability for that role
while lucius is champion of slaanesh but within the emperor's children comparatively a nobody
tepid stratus
Lucius is also half the time doing his own thing with the faultless blades
pastel rampart
doom rider was still around for 3rd I think
He was in 3rd, yeah. Only appeared in that first CSM book, wasn't in any other edition before or since.
tardy vault
I bet a modern Doom Rider sculpt would look amazing...
solemn gull
Some khorne bike units would be awesome
pastel rampart
They honestly could just sell some upgrade kits for each of the 4 god-specific legion.
A different head/torso and a front bike plate and bob's yer uncle.
thin ibex
I feel like it's a bit hard to round out WE as a faction when their whole shtick is doing one thing
"Here have another flavor of high threat melee!"
bright dove
Most I can think of is the Apothecary stand in
But WE suffer from not having the variety available to Blades over in AoS
floral herald
The codex talks about some good options for this
Like the tank lover world eaters and the knifey stealth Khorne Commandos
Also make this wonderful sumbitch an official upgrade kit and let the WEs have it
I love the old studio Buzzsaw Rhino
The WE version should have a Khorne shrine bnnuy ears thing like the helmets though
thin ibex
theres definitely room for more, just not like... a lot more
pastel rampart
GW really could just go full CSM 3.5 codex but only for the 4 legions and y'know what, it'd probably sell like hotcakes.
floral herald
Eh I think you can play against type some with a legion
Like the guys who think the heavy bolter is Khorne’s favored weapon because good lord that’s a lot of blood
thin ibex
You could, but its not in teh cards as far as the army's mechanical design works
floral herald
And Khornate Phobos guys sound dope
thin ibex
as it stands rn the army is pretty much about offering different flavors of the same melee ice cream
you got big monsters, you got on foot, you got on foot but better and smaller, you got on foot but weaker and more, you got robot melee
floral herald
You could, but its not in teh cards as far as the army's mechanical design works
Being disfavored by the army rule is a balance lever for stuff like that
pastel rampart
You could, but its not in teh cards as far as the army's mechanical design works
Oh 10e is a different beast, but I mean more in that each one has all (or most) CSM options but with a god-specific upgrade so you don't run into the same problem WE have where it's just zerg rush shit. There's options instead of footsloggers, etc.
thin ibex
i do think WE should get a reimagined melee version of the oblits who's name i forget
floral herald
I don’t think those guys are even legends haha
floral herald
Oh, flamer wielding disciples of Kharn could also be a fun toss in
jaunty dawn
they get eightbound
floral herald
I don’t think they get vanilla possessed but 8Bound are basically the same
thin ibex
also cyan i do support khornate phobos, but i dont see it on the horizon, they would be sick though
floral herald
Oh yeah this is pie in the sky
thin ibex
khorne gravis would be cool too
floral herald
It was stuff I remember thinking was dope in the codex and then was saddened that there hasn’t been a wave 2 for them in the models
thin ibex
aggressors with chainfists or like cat'o'nine power whips instead of ranged weapons
(cat o nines cause bleeding)
floral herald
Especially with explicitly khornate primaris being a thing post-goreflood
thin ibex
def
im honestly trying to think of good units to add that also arent like something that'll skew teh balance
like bikers seem good, but if you can get advance and charge, there's no reason on WE not to take 3 max size units
floral herald
They could be expensive tbf
thin ibex
which then makes WE weirdly a biker faction
oh thats true
khorne currently has no access to jump pack infantry do they?
thin ibex
they have termies but no red butchers
termies are not in vogue for them
as far as i know
jaunty dawn
world eaters don't even have like a generic hq??
like foot lord or anything
I thought world eaters had no range cause of coming out like 2 years ago or whatever but wow their initial release sucked
like comparing them to votann
pastel rampart
floral herald
like foot lord or anything
I think they just have a mounted one
jaunty dawn
and even he's just a generic version of a character
ebon forge
I might as well surrender lol
thin ibex
my thought is that WE are looking at trying to do a more "we gotta get to you to win" like the old space wolves rather than giving them a bunch of good mobility solutions
so a lot of the things i imagine
are mobility solutions
paper bluff
Some folks are making doomrider conversations
thin ibex
that dont fit into the dynamic
maulerfiends fit kinda nice into the wE
but no one plays them
ebon forge
you got this
Now I gonna be begging in diplomacy for peace because yesterday i expend 4 hours trying to salvage a losing situation in defending my capital
paper bluff
world eaters don't even have like a generic hq??
There is the master of Executions but well... he's constantly getting more expensive
jaunty dawn
i think theres a limit to how far you can take 'footsloggers only because we're preserving the faction identity from when we released the faction and took away all your toys'
thin ibex
yeah definitely
i just think that its an interesting niche, footsloggers + wrecking balls is suitably brutalk
thin ibex
i know stealth isn't their thing, but itd be cool if they got some way to access stealth as a rule rather than actually being stealthy
like a blood storm
or something
would also be sort of cool if they got faction access to the evil drop pod who's name i forget
would be on brand
floral herald
Yeah I don’t think footsloggers only is an actual faction identity so much as the way it worked out with a very little range
dense sedge
Footsloggers?
floral herald
Unmechanized normal infantry
paper bluff
The WE need something for sure. The just fall back from melee in 10th with no downside hurts them alot
thin ibex
So the reason i relate it to old wolves is that the old space wolves identity was "we are exceedingly dangerous if we get to you, usually only half our army or less will make it, but thats enough"
for the last little bit their identity has just been "We get on our wolf cavalry and get to you fast"
which is because the TW cav is so good it skews their identity around it
paper bluff
I think the butcher-sugeons could fill the role of "these lads will survive getting to you"
pale narwhal
would also be sort of cool if they got faction access to the evil drop pod who's...
Dreadclaw?
floral herald
I don’t really remember their faction identity being like that honestly
thin ibex
I do think enabling some variation on strat is warranted, but i like the idea of the faction ident is very brutal
thin ibex
I don’t really remember their faction identity being like that honestly
In late 7th, 8th, and 9th, thats how i remember it
floral herald
Ah, I am thinking of like 4e 5e
thin ibex
and for most of 10th, SW was very stomrlance task force/TW cav spam
floral herald
Where it was basically
- fucked up strong heroes
- very good “high” infantry with lots of gubbins
- blood claw PA chaff which no one else really got
pulsar cairn
sometimes i feel like getting into AoS just because of how depressing 40k is sometimes
thin ibex
i think champs of russ has made a comeback tho
paper bluff
I also don't think I want the world eaters to be chaos custodes
floral herald
Was anyone suggesting that?
paper bluff
The custodes are , we will get to you, and survive getting there
thin ibex
i think also its a question of like... how much overlap do you actually want with other legions; say the EC or slaanesh demons, who are very much about mobility and gettin in faster; WE was about being more dangerous once they're in and possibly tougher
floral herald
I mean EC aren’t really even a melee faction historically
thin ibex
cause presumably you choose a legion in pursuit of a playstyle, no expecting a legion to have every playstyle available to them (admittedly they should have multiple play options no matter what though)
thin ibex
i do think its notable that the WE didn't get access to bikers or jump pack infantry on their range despite chaos having access to those; which feels really intentional about decribing a playstyle or intended vibe
paper bluff
The hedonites in AOS have a very fluffy army rule and I've for that but I don't think it would transfer to AOS
floral herald
Do they have a unique deal?
Historically speaking sonic weapons and crazy drugs and vehicles
thin ibex
they dont even get juggernaut cav despite gtting a juggernaut lord
floral herald
i do think its notable that the WE didn't get access to bikers or jump pack infa...
I think their range just sucks
paper bluff
i do think its notable that the WE didn't get access to bikers or jump pack infa...
Gosh yeah. Just please Berzerkers on juggernauts please
floral herald
I don’t think it’s much beyond that, or at least, I don’t feel bound by it
thin ibex
Sure, it sucks but there was no reason to not import the already existing units unless it was intentional
thin ibex
like its not like the raptors or posessed jetpackers werent available
paper bluff
I don’t think it’s much beyond that, or at least, I don’t feel bound by it
The range is basically angron and who else are you going to bring
floral herald
They’re so Angron dominated yeah
thin ibex
ironically i dont bring angron when i list build for em xD
floral herald
I don’t think anyone else has a faction rule which calls out a specific named character like that
thin ibex
i think the WE are supposed to be a hyper specific play style
floral herald
Then I think they should lose it basically haha
I’m not attached to their current incarnation
jaunty dawn
corporate bs
like in an era of gw defined by shit like "you can only use options in the exact amount in the box"
thin ibex
a thing id kinda like to see is smaller group transports, like the harlequins or DE
raider half tracks or something for WE
jaunty dawn
I don't think it's at all out there to say that the current world eater mechanical identity is defined by factors entirely nothing to do with the rules team
like the fact their initial range is like 4/5 boxes and one of them the variants are like. that's the same three guys
thin ibex
I'm not sure why you see that as the case? Like yes they had a very limited initial range and existin range, which IS a problem, but also that seems like a choice not an infliction
lofty warren
I feel like the sheer number of armies in 40k means that many lack meaningful mechanical identities
jaunty dawn
I mean the rules team don't decide what models get made, at all
thin ibex
like the Votann got a better release because they were meant to present a rounded set of options for a whole new race; the WE got less because they have a much more refined niche
jaunty dawn
cause the models are already pretty much mature by the time they even get to see them because of the different production schedules involved
paper bluff
WE definitely needs more to the range. I'd take khorne demons with them if it wasn't for that battleline rule
thin ibex
but like, the WE could have gotten easy access to existing models that tehy didn't. That feels intentional
tired cairn
I don't know if it is very athematic or very thematic that WE are hard to play and you have to resist the temptation to just rush them forward
jaunty dawn
like the outlier is that the chaos legions even got to keep as many cross faction units as they did!
jaunty dawn
because what models exist in a faction is not something the game designers get to decide
pulsar cairn
how long did it take between the release of Angron's mini and the lion's?
jaunty dawn
they only get to decide what those models do
tired cairn
You'd think the rules team would at least get to make serious suggestions of what model should be made for a faction
jaunty dawn
like this is why we see shit like deathwatch being taken out back and shot
lofty warren
because what models exist in a faction is not something the game designers get t...
Perhaps this is problematic for GW in the long term...
jaunty dawn
and only the outcry gave them the pull for corporate to be like 'oh shit uh I guess you can make a web supplement after all'
floral herald
I don’t know that they don’t at all but yeah they aren’t entirely unified teams
lofty warren
I wonder if rules has more pull in the specialist games
pulsar cairn
hi penny
paper bluff
WiP for current custodes
solemn gull
Where is that model from?
thin ibex
i wouldnt mind if WE got a hybrid melee/range unit that was a bit bad at both and relied on special rules to excel in melee; but in turn got some nuisance or set up firepower
also a speeder that liked to ram stuff kinda like the blight drone with the thresher would be kinda neat
paper bluff
WE version of grenade spear kroot?
glad spear
Kroot mentioned 
thin ibex
(I do still think theres an issue inherent with the chaos legions being somewhat specific in their combat styles and them havin their own books
instead of having their own detachments)
thin ibex
well i guess they get their own detachments
glad spear
Adeptus ridiculous my beloved
thin ibex
i wish orks would make a comeback as a meaningful threat
like warbosses who you believe can go toe to toe with the heroes and villains of the setting
instead of being fodder
like i want to believe that Ghaz can measure up against entities like Abby or Gman
or angron or the lion
thin ibex
i enjoy tau perspective on how ork guns can be scary despite their complete lack of marksmanship
like they still take them seriously
a thing that often gets glossed over cause of character plot power, is that a warboss is often more than a match for hero of the space marines
and in its short life, a warboss likely has comparable combat experience
glad spear
Once the Tau started adaptings and learning the ork tactics, the tides changed to cleaning up the green guys
thin ibex
tbh the farsight enclaves owed its existence to how seriously farsight took the ork threat
glad spear
Yeah
Dude is goated. Blowing up a space marine frigate mostly by himself, fighting off chaos on the fly, surviving against Cato, blowing up two ork waaaghs
Shadowsun is also very very cool
thin ibex
It's interesting, we have more exploits from farsight and hes cool sword guy
but he says straight up that shadowsun is a better tactitian than he is
glad spear
I believe so too, Farsight and Shadowsun trained together, and he regarded her well. He's much more of the killing blow type from the Mont'ka school while Shadowsun was of the Kauyon patient hunter yype
She's much more of a lay a trap and bring them in versus Farsights more gungho frontline strategy
Farsight was always more of the off the cuff planner which often leads to oblotai dying for the 8th time
tepid stratus
i wouldnt mind if WE got a hybrid melee/range unit that was a bit bad at both an...
I believe the 9e codex mentioned a WE warband who's whole gimmick was being really good siege defenders. They'd teleport into a fortress that was soon to be attacked by another force and kill the defenders just so they can do the siege defense themselves. Hold out till the guns run dry and it turns into brutal CQC tunnel fighting
tepid stratus
(I do still think theres an issue inherent with the chaos legions being somewhat...
I will jump to the defense of EC in this case as jack of all trades is part of their fighting style. They can then lean further into sonic/heavy weapons, mobility, dueling or debuffs as detachment gimmicks
thin ibex
I believe the 9e codex mentioned a WE warband who's whole gimmick was being real...
this is frankly a hilarious thing and i love it
thin ibex
I will jump to the defense of EC in this case as jack of all trades is part of t...
that's totally fair, what was on my mind was really the world eaters and death guard
pastel rampart
glad spear
Yo?
tepid stratus
this is frankly a hilarious thing and i love it
Best part is they offer the skulls of both sides of the siege they just finished third wheeling to get khorne to teleport them to the nearest impending siege to keep the streak going
glad spear
Njce
meager quail
I am thinking of 40k and I am imagining a very very small man with very very large pauldrons
paper bluff
i wish orks would make a comeback as a meaningful threat
I think some one once said the 30 and pre-K orks were more of a threat because the warbosses then tended to mekboyz while the ones now are mostly normal boyz
paper bluff
Best part is they offer the skulls of both sides of the siege they just finished...
There is no rise and grind with khorne, only grind
desert jay
https://fixupx.com/NornQueenKya/status/1856708755926192474
Painting is pretty high on that list too :D
past sphinx
magnet modding knights is just a terrible experiance
paper bluff
Yes
thin ibex
I think some one once said the 30 and pre-K orks were more of a threat because t...
see i disagree with this statement in that Orks are very much still a threat now; they've not stopped being a threat. It's just that the narrative has had very little time to spare for them beyond being chump enemies of late
thin ibex
It's easy to forget that orks have darkened the skies of terra before too
and so its easy to forget too that they are a meaningful threat to any other faction in the setting sometimes
past sphinx
nearly killing the emperor is no easy feat neither
theres still a massive ork empire on the edge of the imperium thats been there since before the crusade
thin ibex
and so very easy to use them as filler enemies or smokescreen enemies who are no real threat on their own
jaunty dawn
tbh it's not looking good for anyone but chaos to be a big baddie tbh
so honest I said it twice
thin ibex
Nids have had a good go of it circa the start of 10th
jaunty dawn
hmm
thin ibex
I think its just that chaos has a lot more narrative weight with notes of betrayal and perversion of principles n so on
jaunty dawn
I guess it depends what like
past sphinx
nids cant monologue tho
thin ibex
yeah
jaunty dawn
the big narrative thing for 10th ed is
thin ibex
i forget crons were the big bois for 9th werent they?
jaunty dawn
but its like, the main thing 9th ed did was arks of omen and necrons didn't really do shit
thin ibex
was it 9th that we got the return of the silent king
and then fuck all since
as far as necron progression?
past sphinx
its nice they all take turns
thin ibex
he got a big conflict in the pariah nexus with the imperium iirc?
mechanicus played a big role
as well as necron infighting
tired cairn
nids cant monologue tho
Yeah, they have to outsource it to some doomer
How do most of the factions travel in an area that "seems to be free from the influence of the warp"
floral herald
What do you mean?
jaunty dawn
If i'm understanding you correctly, they don't
everything gets discovered by warp travelling species so the known universe is only the bits accessible from the warp
tired cairn
It's apparently the Pariah Nexus' thing though
jaunty dawn
I think it's just not that big an area I guess
tired cairn
like the Necrons don't use the warp for FTL I don't think? Idk how everyone else moves around there or what it means to not be influenced by the warp if you can warp jump
tired cairn
Wait, I thought they sometimes use it but usually don't
jaunty dawn
I think it's a mix of gw doesn't care that conventional engines can't travel between solar systems like that (see tau) and the nexus having corridors of travel or something
tired cairn
Or are all monoliths now mobile dolman gates
floral herald
I mean for big ship stuff the very old lore was that they just had FTL reactionless drives
tired cairn
I think it's a mix of gw doesn't care that conventional engines can't travel bet...
The technobabble does suggest the latter
floral herald
At present I think the only faction with non-warp FTL are the Tyranids
jaunty dawn
yeah that's what I'm trying to work out
but I think that is the extent of the explanation haha
floral herald
My assumption is that it interferes but doesn’t entirely negate it
tired cairn
Maybe it just makes it really calm and boring, and so all the demons go somewhere more exciting
jaunty dawn
it seems like almost every system inside the border has a corridor
oh wait
it's the black stars
that's what the black stars mean. systems in the network
yeah I think the implication is that the ones not part of the network have been essentially cut off and defenseless against the predations of necrons
tired cairn
It also gives you depression
jaunty dawn
while the outlier and nodal systems are whats left to actually fight over
tired cairn
I think the nodal systems are also (thought to be) part of the thing that helps maintain the anti-warp effect (based on the lexicanum article)
jaunty dawn
yeah
I imagine it's a case where like, the way the effect works means that it leaves corridors that are the main vulnerability of the system
tired cairn
It's pretty funny that Necrons are somewhere around a Kardashev 1-2 civilization, but they still go around and punch other people in the face like everyone else does
finite compass
At present I think the only faction with non-warp FTL are the Tyranids
Tyranids have warp FTL
I think...?
jaunty dawn
well the thing is the people they punch in the face are living in their house
floral herald
No they use the weird Narvhal space compression FTL
jaunty dawn
yeah tyranids don't into warp
floral herald
Since Narvhals are psychic (I think) I guess it’d quasi warp related
jaunty dawn
(on purpose)
floral herald
But they don’t enter other dimensions
finite compass
I miss when Necron FTL was just "Fuck you, we move faster than C"
jaunty dawn
I miss when tau ftl
tired cairn
Are the partially warp space Tyranid worms still a thing?
I thought the warp skipping thing for tau was neat. But I guess they decided it was too slow
floral herald
Tau FTL is just a… mess
pulsar cairn
tyranids going to eat us all i'm scared
jaunty dawn
so now they have. a stargate
floral herald
One of the most confusing and unnecessary canon snarls in 40K
jaunty dawn
but no explanation for how they had an interstellar empire before they made the stargate
tired cairn
Oh, they like retcon'd the old method completely?
jaunty dawn
I think technically after they solve the stargate they get warpskip engines again idk
paper bluff
They studies imperial warp engine tech so there is that
desert jay
I thought the Tau still had like a slow reliable FTL method in lore
thin ibex
Tau, as far as I know, still use gravitic drives and do that sort of warp skipping
They can't make Gellar fields so they can't use the warp safely
paper bluff
To call what the imperium does "using the warp safely" is a huge gulf
Use the warp reliably i would say is more accurate
floral herald
I do think its funny how the Imperium quietly has some of the better FTL in the setting
floral herald
Orks, tau, LoV probably, Tyranids
Chaos is really near peer and funky to compare and necron and eldar FTL is better
Well, ork stuff is worse except for the super tellyportas Ghazkhull uses but I think those are his special trick
upper canopy
I wouldn't call their FTL better than Tau or Tyranids
floral herald
I would its vastly faster than Tyranid FTL and at least as safe as Tau FTL while being faster
upper canopy
Also Ork stuff is better because you get entertainment during long boring flights (laughing at the Grots getting flensed alive)
upper canopy
Also it's significantly more dangerous than Tau FTL
the only thing is that Imperial ships can sense when a plot-important character is onboard and never explode as a result.
floral herald
The first time the Tau used their stuff it failed so catastrophically they called off a whole sphere expansion
This is admittedly really dumb and if we use the old tau FTL lore then their stuff is safer but a lot slower
uneven ember
The dangers of the Warp for transit, in a practical sense, are just putting the Age of Sail concerns in space.
You head out to where you're going and every time you do there is a chance, which is fairly minor and can be managed but will never be zero that you get caught in a freak hurricane/ warp storm and you're just completely fucked nothing you can do
floral herald
It's been Dolmen gates since 5e haha
I remember because it's one of the (many) things people got mad about at the time
uneven ember
and so sometimes you do get history turning on "so there was a whole-ass army coming to completely overpower these guys, but the fleet transporting it got caught in a storm and everybody died"
floral herald
It's been Dolmen gates since 5e haha
paper bluff
That is one way. The other is inertialess drives
paper bluff
Yeah that's 5e codex. I'm talking in recent books
floral herald
Which one?
upper canopy
Love the idea that the Webway is sentient
floral herald
That is a fun thought yeah
upper canopy
The Horus Heresy happened because the Webway thought Big E was cringe and didn't want him inside it.
paper bluff
The infinite and the divine and the twice dead king
paper bluff
Love the idea that the Webway is sentient
Well a literal divine being is in there. Perhaps as strong as a chaos god
floral herald
IIRC the inertialess drive in tIatD is STL
But there's also the ghost winds in TDK which aren't either of those options so 🤷
past sphinx
After 6 hours my knight is full of magnets and i never want to build a second one
paper bluff
You should build a second one
thin ibex
Just build most of the second one.
floral herald
Magnetizing a knight sounds like a lot haha
I'm having enough annoyance magnetizing Havocs
soft willow
Magnetizing knights isn’t so bad, but you do have to plan.
past sphinx
if i build a cerastus itll work out
soft willow
Glad to only have 3 Questoris knights instead of like 12 though
thin ibex
Knight life be like "what's the smallest number of models I can field?"
glad spear
When your turn lasts like 45 seconds
past sphinx
more time to be doing jojo poses to intimidate the enemy
lofty warren
Idle animation
paper bluff
When your turn lasts like 45 seconds
How i prefer it!
glad spear
You don't like watching a imperial guard player roll 60 dice to hit twice and then do that 20 times?
(I love imperial guard players, they're fun as long as they aren't using wehrmacht figures 💀 )
paper bluff
When I play my necrons and have 11 diff shooting attacks it feels like too many
glad spear
I play tau so I do a lot of rolling too
Or more like thinking because my little blue boys are squishy
floral herald
Back in old editions I played orks and had multiple units with ~45 dice when shooting
Though I think that's a little more common with how the 40k rules have evolved?
floral herald
I played relatively shooty orks in 5e
thin ibex
You could absolutely roll over 100 dice
floral herald
Sheer weight of fire covers for many sins
thin ibex
In 8th for sure
paper bluff
Most of my custodes army. Must be 4000 or more points to a case
glad spear
Ork shooting is very silly
paper bluff
Ork shooting is very silly
~50 shots, 12 hits. Simple as
floral herald
the hits are often pretty hard at least
thin ibex
I remember ork shooting had crazy volume and other compensatory benefits for a bs of 5+ and 6+
jagged dawn
Hmm, got randomly struck by the vibes to make a necron army once again
This happens periodically, there’s just some novels about them that stick with us. Mostly when it’s from their perspective
Agh we can’t remember the name of the novel but there’s one involving Tyranids, chaos, and a side plot of a necron awakening where periodically the necron side is told from the perspective of a cryptek(?) who’s going about awakening the dynasty only to fall victim to the flayer virus
Ahah! Found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/k5vnn0/excerptdevourer_a_high_cryptek_succumbs_to_the/
floral herald
Twitter
uneven ember
IIRC the inertialess drive in tIatD is STL
IDK about the inertialess drive specifically but I do really like settings where you have your casual FTL (or light speed/nearlight) but you still need extra-FTL to make the real distances
because even lightspeed/FTL is too slow to take interstellar distances in just one lifetime
(Lancer, Mass Effect)
floral herald
I think that’s the overall thing for the necrons for sure
Since they have a lot of non-interstellar teleporting and such
past sphinx
Crons have the nifty feature of not having any meat to squish with deceleration
pulsar cairn
some of them do like eating it tho
uneven ember
Kinda fun, Necrons were the only guys in AI who had a fighter with troop capacity
Night Scythe and their portable wormhole
jaunty dawn
as opposed to troop transport with guns?
really wish I could read the AI rules but found them difficult to track down :(
uneven ember
as opposed to troop transport with guns?
Okay I was going to say "as opposed to Bomber" but I just realized that's a lie
Valkyries are fighter class, so are Storm Eagles
uneven ember
really wish I could read the AI rules but found them difficult to track down :(
They're unfortunately tricky because, well, it isn't/wasn't very popular and that left it light on people doing preservation or distribution
jaunty dawn
yeah :(
uneven ember
It's a hex mat game, part of the whole thing with "we can't make 'inches' exclusive but we can make them buy our polygons for KillTeam" thing, so all the ranges and movement are based on hexes that match the bases. The bases have dials to mark Speed (0-9), which is how many hexes it moves in a turn, and Altitude (0-5).
The fun part is how movement works. There's eight options for what your plane will do in its turn, from Level Flight (move forward at 1+ hexes, optionally turn facing left or right by 1 side once) to Wing Over (move forward 1+ hexes, then turn facing left or right 2 sides, then move forward 1+ hexes, then turn facing left or right 1 or 2 sides, then finish any remaining movement). Most planes can only take certain movements, and the more maneuverable they are the more options they get.
At start of turn, everyone places a counter, face down, by each plane that marks which maneuver they're taking. When movement starts, players alternate turning over their counters to show their maneuver pick, and moving the plane to its new position; you want to be able to guess where your opponent is going to move. (Unequal numbers means the person with more planes gets to keep moving after their opponent runs out, so having a bigger squadren is a movement advantage)
When everyone's moved you take turns shooting. Weapon profiles have an arc of where you can target (Front/ Rear/ Left/ Right/ All Round/ Up/ Down), three Firepower ratings for short-medium-long range, and a Damage rating.
You roll a number of dice to hit equal to Firepower, which hit on 5+ if the planes are at the same altitude or 6 if they're one level up or down. Any hits, you roll Damage, and if you roll over the weapon's rating the target loses one Structure, and they're shot down when they run out (2 for a Dakkajet, 5 for a Marauder, 8 for a Thunderhawk)
So twin lascannons are Firepower 0-2-1, Damage 2+ and a special rule where 6 on the damage roll deals 2 Structure. Single shots that are really likely to damage if you can keep distance and score a hit.
Quad big shootas are Fpwr 8-4-0 Dmg 5+, so you're just trying to fly right up and bury them under fistfulls of dice
jaunty dawn
oh neat
dense idol
does anyone have experience with dumpster-diving for miniatures on eBay?
dense idol
is AA Wargames a reputable seller?
i'm very new to this website and i'm justifiably paranoid of scams when buying from internet strangers
they've got a lot of listings for very well-painted sets of miniatures for pennies each; very new listings, but even so
ok i looked them up and they are an actual uk store
so they're very likely legitimate
i think the professional photoshoot threw me off, as opposed to the sofa-backdrop photos i'm more used to at those kinds of prices
uneven ember
the range thing is cool
Yeah, it's particularly been a neat asymmetry in the couple Imperial/ork games I've played, where most of the IoM weapons work best at medium range and the orks are best at knife range, so you're not just jockeying for firing arcs you're also trying to fight over the engagement range
a fun part of the game that's gone from whatever support it's still getting since the current version is Heresy-era
jaunty dawn
they've got a lot of listings for very well-painted sets of miniatures for penni...
oh that's probably just a auction thing like
hits sort by lowest etc
but then goes up
and might have a reserve price
uneven ember
(Also, there's a neat bonus for getting 'in the slot' for the dogfight, if you can get an enemy in your front arc while you're in their rear arc at short/medium range you get to do an extra attack at the start of the next turn)
(they do also get to take an extra tailgun shot at the same time if they have one but it's still almost always worth it)
tired cairn
I'm sad they made not-epic HH era and that they reduced the AI range as well
They I guess they didn't think there would be enough interest for all the kits they would have wanted to make for 40k era?
uneven ember
Yeah, the Horus Heresy is a tragedy at the heart of the Imperial founding second and a way to release gamelines with one model range first.
pulsar cairn
if i wanted to get into AoS/Fantasy
Whats a good place for me to look at for lore?
Any youtube channel recommendations?
Books?
desert jay
Yeah, the Horus Heresy is a tragedy at the heart of the Imperial founding second...
A War of the Beast "expansion pack" to 30k would be hype until they turned around and dropped support again
jaunty dawn
I'd be very surprised if they don't eventually find a way to start making mk 7 models again
thin ibex
Wouldn't they have to drop orks into 30k? Are they already in 30k?
jaunty dawn
that's what the expansion would do
lofty warren
Id love an excuse to make looted imperialis baneblades
past sphinx
I'd be very surprised if they don't eventually find a way to start making mk 7 m...
one day there will be a badab war novel series and a game to go with it mark my words
horus heresy, scouring, terra reunification, badab
uneven ember
Now, I grumble, but GW has been willing to do weird fun stuff more in the last few years than the, like, decade before
I remember when they shuttered Specialist Games entirely
pulsar cairn
Didnt the emperor almost die to an ork in 30k?
pulsar cairn
And you cant play orks in 30k?
past sphinx
well its not called "the ork heresy"
jaunty dawn
yeah
past sphinx
and admech
pulsar cairn
I see
jaunty dawn
marines, admech, knights, titans, custodes, sisters of silence, solar auxilia, cult/militia, daemons
mostly for either side but talons are imperial only and daemons are chaos only
pulsar cairn
I thought the Solar auxilia was the 30ks guard equivalent
past sphinx
solar is the formal military, militia is just rank and file pressed ganged infantry
pulsar cairn
I see
It's interesting to see how well equipped the auxilia was
Did the imperium change their approach to battle?
Or did something happen to the auxilia?
pulsar cairn
I imagined that could be the case
Quantity over quality
Makes sense for such a big empire
uneven ember
From GW's perspective, that's the whole benefit of setting a game in the Heresy: you only need the one set of units for rules and minis, because it's a civil war so both sides have the same army list
past sphinx
also the imperial rarely fights foes that are not peer or near peer so fancy ass infantry with volkite and powerweapons just arent needed
hence the lasgun
pulsar cairn
I imagine thats why they have tempestus
past sphinx
if shit goes really sideways theres the lucifer blacks
witch are whats nearest to the auxilia
or gland warriors
honestly theres a load of super soldiers in the imperial that could be on the tabletop
uneven ember
Erika Flyingcircus had a really cool (IMO) point about the Space Marines and Solar Auxilia in 30K vs 40K
how, basically, the Astartes became fancier while the Auxilia became less and less fancy
past sphinx
they just all have very deep flaws
desert jay
Wouldn't they have to drop orks into 30k? Are they already in 30k?
Yeah that was the direct implication, an Ork line for the game. But also AIUI The Beast's Orks were something else compared to 40k-era ones
uneven ember
Because in 30K the Space Marine Legions were the Imperium's mass-produced supersoldier infantry forces, kitted out and sent to the front, while the Auxilia were the cream of the crop from the developing Imperium, elite and honored enough to act as a substitute or assist in the Legions' work
but after the Heresy, the Astartes are small orders of divinely-endowed warrior-monks who needed to restrain themselves to times they're needed, while the Auxilia had to go from an elite support organization to the primary military presence and occupiers of a fractured and fracturing Imperium
pulsar cairn
upper canopy
The Beast Orks weren't there until after the Horus Heresy
silk verge
borks
pulsar cairn
desert jay
The Beast Orks weren't there until after the Horus Heresy
Yeah it's 1500 years later but all of the HH units and org structure are basically still in use
So like... HH Imperium stuff would be directly portable to a WOTB game
And thus why I phrased it as an expansion pack, you could do same rules but now with Orks and a few new Imperial things like early Deathwatch
thin ibex
I'm pretty sure most of the beast orks were normal orks, they just had also super sized orks amd a lot more coordination
desert jay
Yeah I meant in terms of coordination and gear
uneven ember
So the Marines lose the more grungy cables and plates look as they go from mainline infantry to this elite knightly social role and you can't expand the Chapter over the limit you can spend all your time fancying up the guys you have instead of trying to equip a bigger force
& as the Auxilia becomes the Guard it just goes the other way, you need it to expand enough to be the mainline fighting force of the Imperium across its entire reach, so it goes from an elite force bedecked in baroque swag to the poor bloody infantry equipped with "good enough"
desert jay
Because they had both more organized meks pushing out toys, and less imperial influence from ten(?) thousand years of Ork-Imperial war
floral herald
Didn’t the solar auxila kinda evolve into the storm troopers?
EG a direct imperium force
Since the predecessors to the guard already existed they were just called excertus or something
uneven ember
Yeah, might also say they're more a direct antecedent to the Stormtroopers or Scions than the mainline Guard
tepid stratus
Any youtube channel recommendations?
2+ tough is the goat for AOS lore
pulsar cairn
i'll check it out! thank you
jaunty dawn
Idk the naval armsmen have basically the same equipment haha
uneven ember
niiiice
pastel rampart
Noble Knight?
soft willow
Says it right on the barcode stickers.
pastel rampart
I've gotten a lot of good stuff from them. Glad the staff unionized.
glad spear
I'm not too far from there and I GM for the Tabletop RPG group there
upper canopy
did you find the funny water tower that is about to explode any second
from the intense pressure and build up
mild glen
Had a first IRL 2000 point game today. Lost 63-73 against Khorne Daemons
mild glen
Tau (Mont'Ka)
Opponent had the uncanny ability to make their Invulns against Railguns and Seeker Missiles and Ion rakers... but whiff against gun drones
Also: did weirdly good in melee for T'au
past sphinx
thats demon saves for ya
thin ibex
against invulns, mass fire is king
i remember treating storm bolters as AT guns once upon a time xD
mild glen
I put six Seeker Missiles, a pirahna fusion blaster and a railgun into his Soul Grinder.
It took 3 wounds.
floral herald
Ok was looking at old rules and this is funny
The original kill team blurb
I just am tickled by it because KT is probably the most competitively balanced Warhammer now
bold halo
yeah that's from back when KT was 500 point games but different lol
floral herald
No this is back from when KTs fought "brute squads" of semi-controlled NPCs
floral herald
yeah
I only played it once and it wasn't super fun
Mostly because if you were the brute squad player you kinda just moved models around randomly
bold halo
yeah the brute squad player just had like 20-30 of the same model and one Guy they could spent points on
and I was double wrong the kill team point limit was 160
lofty warren
Yeesh
Modern kt is so totally different
GWs attempt at the same demo as the AMG games, malifaux, and to a lesser extent infinity, by my read
paper bluff
Re: fantasy and AoS lore.
The videos on it don't do great lore youtuber wise so not a huge amount of them. Pancreas no work, plus snipe and wib have a few videos
thin ibex
Questions 1. how does Lethal Hits + Dev Wounds work, does that mean a nat 6 on the dice also counts as a nat 6 to wound?
2. How does Lethal Hits + sus hits work, when you get a nat 6 is it 1 auto wound and howver many non wounding hits from sus hits?
thin ibex
ah ok, so if you have both, your 6's to hit wound normally, and then any normal hits roll and could get 6's
to wound
which would trigger dev wounds
jaunty dawn
when lethal style effects first came out, in 9th edition, there was briefly an errata that they counted as 6s to wound and it was very quickly rolled back because it was an awful idea lol
yup exactly
thin ibex
ty
jaunty dawn
np!
paper bluff
say if you have lethal and sus 2(this happens in necrons often), you roll a 6 on the hit step , you then have 1 wound and 2 extra to wound roll
and as far as I know, Lethal and dev wounds don't stack, you roll a 6 on hit, it is a wound that can take a safe against
paper bluff
say if you have lethal and sus 2(this happens in necrons often), you roll a 6 on...
so you've got 3 shots total, 1 of which is already successful by the wound step and 2 more shots you have to roll to see if those also wound
thin ibex
random comment, but im a bit sad that flash gitz dont really have any detachment support
jaunty dawn
that is weird
thin ibex
they're the closest thing to an orky hybrid unit, with shooting and nob melee with choppers
but they cant take meks so dont synergize with the dread mob detach
and everything else that benefits them is melee oriented
paper bluff
ork shooting seems like a zany fun thing but not really to focus
solemn gull
What do people think the next necromunda expansion/focus will be
south axle
I think Secundus will drag out a fair bit. But after that maybe a gang turf/stronghold based expansion to sell some gang themed terrain?
jaunty dawn
yeah I think secundus will be an all gang release eventually? cause rn literally only van saar can play it cause you really need the out of battle specialists
but also with the new vehicle for squats I think ash wastes is gonna continue to get little a releases maybe
either that or squats are just the studios favourite child
south axle
I think AshWastes is like 2-3 more releases I think, and overlapped with Secundus for all/most gangs
paper bluff
does necromunda have orks?
jaunty dawn
ash waste nomads could really do with a weapon expansion
and a vehicle sized bug would be pretty cool
necromunda lore wise has orks Im pretty sure but I dont think theres any in game
other than using a generic profile
or proxying ogryns etc
I meant goliaths
solemn gull
does necromunda have orks?
Yes in lore and also the Goliath gang make perfect orks due to their statline and playstyle
jaunty dawn
but ogryns might make good nobs
solemn gull
I hope we get some space stuff for necromunda, idk what exactly but the Eye of Selene is a cool place to fight shit out. Maybe some campaign rules around smuggling crates onto shipments and anti-gravity/space walk environment rules.
paper bluff
ash wastes Kult of Speed orks would be fun to see done with orks
solemn gull
The people yearn for gorkamorka
paper bluff
yeah! however didn't that nearly backrupt GW
solemn gull
I’ve never heard that story
All I know is it was the third game in their series of mordheim, necromunda, gorkamorka and there wasn’t as much audience since everyone played one of the first 2
paper bluff
upper bluff
What do you think a 40k tabletop game jam would be like. Like one month to make a game that can be played with only one factions models
Maybe 2 if that's a little too esoteric
paper bluff
it would be funfor there to be a kitbash game jam tpye game
upper bluff
Oh yeah, that too
Idk I feel like games like Gorkamorka are under explored
Like imagine a single player game where you play as a general for like Imperial Guard or the Tau. Each single model would represent a full squad and the game is about logistics and managing the army like WW1
paper bluff
Like imagine a single player game where you play as a general for like Imperial ...
the imprial logitics game woule be about luck and getting shipments while the tau would have steady but small resources
tired cairn
It would also be an interesting multiplayer game where the Imperium player could crush any one threat, but if they did that they would lose to all the other ones
Or maybe multiple imperium players lol
solemn gull
Multiple imperium players would be the way to go. Especially if they all keep pushing each other down to try to win their goals.
solemn gull
Everyone gets to play a regimental commander and you’re all trying to be given command of the army for this campaign
Hell you could even try to kill off your opposition by giving them dangerous tasks when you get elected or crowned as the general
runic swallow
I hope you’re realizing you’re slowly moving towards suggesting 40k Campaign for North Africa, and I think that’d be hilarious
solemn gull
Oh shit…
tired cairn
For a 40k variant, what would be the silly rule (like that pasta rule) that makes fun of that genre of game?
solemn gull
More corpse starch rations if you have high casualty rates
tired cairn
lmao
floral herald
Catachan troops need extra protein compared with other regiments
upper bluff
40k campaign for North Africa actually sounds sick
past sphinx
does necromunda have orks?
Blood axe bodyguards where a fashion for a time, kroot and tau and eldar and such have sections of spires they are sanctioned to be in
solemn gull
Dunno how I feel about all the non-gang options in necromunda
Kind of feels like it dilutes what makes necromunda cool to me
bright dove
Made a list for Maggotkin of Nurgle with the disabled person I work with.
Maggotkin of Nurgle | Plague Cyst
Drops: 3
Spell Lore - Lore of Malignance
General's Regiment
Great Unclean One (480)
• General
• Grandfather's Blessing
Plague Drones (180)
Plaguebearers (140)
Rotmire Creed (130)
Regiment 1
Horticulous Slimux (150)
Beasts of Nurgle (150)
Beasts of Nurgle (150)
Regiment 2
Spoilpox Scrivener, Herald of Nurgle (100)
• The Carrion Dirge
Nurglings (100)
Plaguebearers (140)
Plaguebearers (280)
• Reinforced
Faction Terrain
Feculent Gnarlmaw```Hey, y'all.
How do you remember to use your strategems?
solemn gull
Repetition
thin ibex
i make myself a google cheat sheet
with the ones i actually want to use
and i look at them and what their triggers are
paper bluff
I keep the book page open
tired cairn
I am more likely to forget about the generic strats. Though a bunch don't apply to me because I play nids
thin ibex
Do any nids have the Grenade keyword
thin ibex
Man I could easily see Grenade being an option on some but whatever
zinc field
IIRC nids also don't have anything with smoke
which is really weird when they have multiple units themed around spewing toxic gases at people
jaunty dawn
venomthropes are basically permanent smoke
tired cairn
I totally forgot about smoke. But yeah, that
jaunty dawn
carnifexes used to be allowed to do it if they bought spore cysts but they lost all their wargear
past sphinx
Dunno how I feel about all the non-gang options in necromunda
they are almost entirely simply fluff, pretty much any notion of xenos in gameplay is a few scant options for things like a very illegal shuriken launcher
mild glen
I am more likely to forget about the generic strats. Though a bunch don't apply ...
Oh. I forget to use Universal strats, too.
Though I did remember Tank Shock last game. And I Overwatched, like, five times. Once there was a grenade!
(I did, however, never once remember that my fire warriors were -1 to wound against ranged attacks. Which would have helped. This is why I need to find decent drone transport.)
(Turns out. Khorne Daemons have a lot of torrent attacks.)
tired cairn
Overwatch I remember. It is pretty good on the Tyrannofex with the Acid Spray gun
thin ibex
I think for me the tau challenge is who has targeted and for whom, and have they both already fired
pale narwhal
Agreed (as a fellow tau player)
And just general order of operations when it comes to spotting/firing (I utterly fumbled a turn by forgetting to fire fireknives into a unit before doing other small arms and cost myself the to hit reroll)
mild glen
I think for me the tau challenge is who has targeted and for whom, and have they...
My trick here is usually to fire the spotter immediately after the Guided unit.
junior robin
been a productive saturday
wolf lord with looted dreadknight (logan grimnar on stormrider)
jaunty dawn
ooh nice
jaunty dawn
played kill team
crit op extraction on volkus board 6, pathfinders vs kroot
aaaand kinda slaughtered the pathfinders while also being so far ahead on points just at the end of turn 2 that it was a concede moment
specifically pistolier top of turn 2 killed the person who tried to take them out and then the two other people they could see
real overwatch matt mercer moment
terrain felt a little uneven? and I won initiative so that made a huge difference. pathfinders would've been very scary if they got the side I picked.
opponents finding obscuring vs cover vs concealed etc pretty tricky to keep track off unfortunately
maybe next time we'll try the coop mode so not learning rules and competing simultaneously
might suggest they try AoD next time as well, pathfinders seem pretty high skill floor
tired cairn
I remember the cover and similar rules being the hardest part of the game to understand
pulsar cairn
jaunty dawn
I remember the cover and similar rules being the hardest part of the game to und...
I think it's kinda gotten worse tbh, cause now cover and obscured are two seperate things that potentially stack
and then it's also like 'oh you can't shoot this guy but he is still visible so you can markerlight'
and then it's like
jaunty dawn
there's seek (ignore cover to shoot sneaky guys) saturate (ignore cover to shoot ppl without getting a free save) and ignore obscuring (ignore cover to shoot people who are behind a building but like, in the open maybe)
and it's not that this is bad necessarily, it's depth, but it's a really big learning curve
jaunty dawn
very unique operative
cut skin kinda feels overkill against pathfinders tbh
the free damage from enemy misses is pretty good though, even with point blank fusilade
hound got to do a gather! it's So good
thin ibex
I honestly felt like kroot were also a higher skill floor tbh, but I haven't tried them in the current ed
Mostly because they are fairly fragile so LoS games are way more important
Than for like space marines
jaunty dawn
no I think that's true, I'm just meeting that much better
I think the matchup in general is pretty rough for pathfinders tbh
thin ibex
Ah yeah that's fair
jaunty dawn
like rogue is a very good counter to markerlights
pulsar cairn
I wonder if i would be happier as an ork in 40k/Fantasy
Probably not if i had my skully brain
Cause lets be honest even tho they are pretty happy with it their society sucks ass
thin ibex
40k orks I think are happier
tired cairn
Than for like space marines
Though most teams are much more fragile than space marines
thin ibex
This is true
It's just my inaugural Farstalkers game was against chaos legionnaires and being shootable effectively meant instant death
jaunty dawn
it feels like angels of death free up a lot of bandwidth for learning core rules
thin ibex
I made the mistake of not going mass conceal orders
tired cairn
It's funny, but I feel like kill team hits the space marine fantasy better then 40k proper. Even though 2:1 odds aren't that much worse than tabletop
tired cairn
it feels like angels of death free up a lot of bandwidth for learning core rules
That's a good design for the "starter" team
Are the Plague Marines around the same level of complexity?
floral herald
Yeah
pastel rampart
https://store.steampowered.com/app/552500/Warhammer_Vermintide_2/ Buck fifty right now.
floral herald
They’re both very straightforward teams
jaunty dawn
still rarely engage turn one but much less of a trap decision where you might engage without even doing anything
tired cairn
Do you count as concealed before you take any action?
jaunty dawn
yeah
pulsar cairn
40k orks I think are happier
Why's that?
jaunty dawn
everyone is concealed top of game, and there's no restriction on changing order turn 1
tired cairn
I did find the first turn orders in the previous edition weird. Also it was a lot to make so many decisions in the first turn as a new player
jaunty dawn
yeah for sure
much easier to be like 'am I shooting? okay that means I gotta engage'
tired cairn
I also like how it's not special cased. I usually consider that the game design equivalent of a code smell
thin ibex
Why's that? <:vicksyAww:1302709464419537049>
They're not the forces of destruction or beholden to anything but their own hierarchies. They do what they want, when they want so long as they are strong enough
tired cairn
Are fantasy orks also football hooligans (and is there a difference between old world and AoS orks here)?
pulsar cairn
I didnt think there was a difference
past sphinx
pulsar cairn
Is that a votann?
glad spear
I think being a mold guy would be pretty fun
You die because bigger orc rips me apart
I get back up like 3 days later to fight him again
past sphinx
Is that a votann?
Yeah one of the new scouts from the killteam was free monthly mini
pulsar cairn
That's a heavy looking weapon for a scout 
soft willow
The Bolt Shotgun is a silly gun.
glad spear
Votann moment
pulsar cairn
Is it also a revolver?
glad spear
Yes
pulsar cairn
Neat
jaunty dawn
don't ask what bolt shotgun means
thin ibex
dont worry penny, we just add bolt to things whenever
as a lil treat
i like to imagine its a shell filled with little gyrojet bolts
because thats rediculous
and it makes me laugh
jaunty dawn
I think that's actually canon, is the thing
thin ibex
ah then that makes me laugh because it is rediculous
tired cairn
I think that's actually canon, is the thing
Mishearing: Space marine tank shells have gyrojet bolts in them?
Which is probably also a thing
tired cairn
Each bolt is actually a case for a smaller boltgun that shoots after it impacts with the target
thin ibex
"It's... it's all bolters?"
bolter cocks
Always has been
jaunty dawn
drop pods are kinda like a bolt
finite compass
Mishearing: Space marine tank shells have gyrojet bolts in them?
This is explicitly how Baneblade shells work, IIRC
Or at least they're 'rocket assisted'
tired cairn
I think the idea was not merely rocket assisted shells. But shells that break open to reveal more rocket assisted shells
finite compass
Bolthive Rounds
tired cairn
That's a great name
past sphinx
I think it might work the same as deathwatch frag launchers
Witch are just bolters to
pastel rampart
Twitter
past sphinx
Kinda just warhammer fantasy
norsicans talking about the empire
upper canopy
When was Radcliffe in a fantasy movie
solemn gull
Harry potter
upper canopy
How dare you
dense sedge
is that daniel radcliffe?
jaunty dawn
yeah
i think he did some silly shorts? I feel like thats a memory I have?
oh right okay its 'Miracle Workers' I think
historical comedy anthology
i might be wrong
sonic hare
ready for basing. really happy with how this turned out for how simple it is
jaunty dawn
babies!!!!!
sonic hare
a little sloppy but perfect is the enemy of done and these are definitely good enough.
jaunty dawn
definitely!
pastel rampart
Hell yeah
paper bluff
bright dove
Lil guys!
thin ibex
Scarab vs ripper war, Sunday Sunday Sunday
indigo wadi
I thought this was worth sharing here - https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/russian-army-cosplay-purity-seals
storm schooner
I think that sort of should be the nail in the coffin about 40ks effectiveness as a piece of satire
silk verge
bruh
desert jay
The purity seal thing is new but Russian Orthodox priests have been bleeding guns and tanks and things for the military for decades
pastel rampart
The only good purity seal I've seen just contains the Navy Seal copypasta.
cinder wraith
KT built
past sphinx
We got like 3
We are the night andWe have come for you, ave dominis nox and in midnight clad
past sphinx
I should get the kt and build them as raptors, i have the HH jump preator around for a jump lord
jaunty dawn
that would be dope
unreal cosmos
Hey, any folks have suggestions for Termagaunt loadouts? I'm looking at how to expand my Leviathan box models and I was thinking of getting another box of 'em and shuffling some of their special weapons into the monopose kit, but it seems like there wouldn't be enough for both. I'm honestly surprised by how many special weapons they can take.
jaunty dawn
mmm
yeah its problematic
really feels like it shouldve been 1 in 10 and that wouldve worked
jaunty dawn
no idea :/
18" range on the strangleweb is wild but I guess I get what theyre going for
but yeah just from bulk rolling perspective I wouldnt worry too much about not bringing them
unreal cosmos
Gotcha
finite compass
The only good purity seal I've seen just contains the Navy Seal copypasta.
If I had the money/talent/motivation to do a cosplay, I'd specifically do one with the Leman Russ version
floral herald
Just saw this and it's making me think of WE unit add ons
pastel rampart
I LOVE those style of heavy weapons.
Like of course marines are strong enough to do that and not fall over.
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/tofty-s-super-soldier-heavy-weapons-28mm Which btw if you want to get some of your own, e z p z
floral herald
Oh that's fun
jaunty dawn
my fav is the heavy bolter cause its just so silly
pastel rampart
It's quite literally just a big bolter, it's great.
jaunty dawn
more recently the van saar heavy weapons have been like this :)
though my multi melta I converted from the new van saar heavy, with the jaws of life contraption
(which for some reason rules wise is a mancatcher????)
runic swallow
I love the shoulder Fish Rocket Launcher
As in it looks fishlike, not that it launches fish
pastel rampart
The prefered weapon for space sharks.
jaunty dawn
im a big fan of the old fw spin on it
cause missile launcher that isnt shoulder mounted is a novelty!
runic swallow
its a classic
Yeah love those
pastel rampart
cause missile launcher that *isnt* shoulder mounted is a novelty!
Not anymore, thanks to primaris desolation squads!
jaunty dawn
sorry cant hear you laalalala
thin ibex
a desolation squads, the unit that for a brief moment were super strong, and now are too expensive to ever bring
i actually think they're cool mechanically, though i think its silly to have missile squads that dont have blast/krak and have to choose ahead of time
so actually
im gonna take that back
thats less cool
i wanted a primaris artillery unit with two fire modes
it is somewhat disappointing that they got their points so jacked up that they're pretty much nonviable
i imagine because they want time to think about what they want to do to adjust em
ebon forge
Already a more tragic death than anything in the horus Heresy /j
pulsar cairn
It makes no sense to me how drukhari torture a necron warrior
floral herald
What's that from?
pulsar cairn
Also they probably only do it for kicks cause i imagine u have to have a soul for it to feed slaneesh
ebon forge
What's that from?
The Exodite
floral herald
ah neat
ebon forge
3 spisode mini-series focsued on the T'au fighting the Imperium and the Aeldari fucking in the shadows, disrupting any chance of diplomacy
Fucking elfs
"YOU SEE T'AU, I DID THIS FOR YOU TO SEE THAT THIS GALAXY SI FUCKED"
"WHAT, WHY?! YOU FUCKED US"
"NAIVE TAU, THE SOONER YOU LEARN THE BETTER"
10/10
And I love how I don't even have the option to watch legitimely because they refuse to work in Brazil ,so , F
meager quail
It does amuse me how when the eldar civilization collapsed because of its horrible excesses and generally being the worst, the aeldari were like "maybe we should not be horrible, that sounds good", and the drukhari were like "actually I think we can be worse, being worse seems like a solid concept."
upper canopy
It makes no sense to me how drukhari torture a necron warrior
The Dark Eldar are some of the smartest scientists in the entire galaxy with a single-minded devotion to ONLY inventing ways to hurt people
floral herald
It’s really funny how they have the best medical tech in the galaxy but everyone who’s trained to use it has to swear the “first, Do Harm” oath
weary dragon
The Dark Eldar are some of the smartest scientists in the entire galaxy with a s...
''So your art is just turning people into furniture?''
''In new, inventive, and awful ways yes.''