Warhammer and Such

[wintry mist]

Hard SF is purely a vibes thing

[solemn gull]

What about Sci-fi that goes hard

[wintry mist]

Its almost entirely an aesthetic choice

[unreal cosmos]

hell yeah

[wintry mist]

But it is a thing

Hard sf will pull equations and meaningless explanations that are semi plausible on how they FTL (usually citing alcubierre)

Soft sf will say "uh, because how else do you get from one planet to another?"

Both are valid

[floral herald]

I mean, I'd say hard sf just doesn't have ftl

[solemn gull]

The Martian is a good example

[wintry mist]

I think hard sf can have ftl

[past sphinx]

i think battletech is the counter point to that

[wintry mist]

Battletech is not hard sf

[solemn gull]

I think it narrows down to if there is applicable real science

[floral herald]

The Martian is pretty hard yeah

Though the annoying mf in me wants to note that Mar's winds are probably not intense enough to cause the inciding incident but that's pretty exacting

[wintry mist]

I love Btech but I don't think it could count as hardsf

[wintry mist]

That's fair

[rocky shale]

Autarch skyleaper can just be built using the warp spider pack that comes in the foot autarch kit in terms of WYSIWYG but if you want the look of the wings then yeah it's lame

[past sphinx]

i think thats somewhat to limiting* to the fiction bit of science fiction and would rule out things like the three body problem

[wintry mist]

I think thats a way more reasonable approach than "vibes"

[floral herald]

I do think "hard sf" has its own kind of aesthetic sense now beyond like scientific fidelity so there's a lot of stuff which I would say is hard sf in aesthetic if not actual science

Like the parts of the expanse which don't involve the protomolecule

[unreal cosmos]

that's why I think hard sci-fi doesn't exist, some sci-fi can be harder than others but it's a shadow on the cave wall

[floral herald]

I think there is an acme of hard sf and its "apollo 13 but you're not not aware it really happened"

[unreal cosmos]

(finding out Gundam is the basis of "real robot" annihilated my perspective for that whole notion of classifying genre fiction)

[wintry mist]

YEAJ

[floral herald]

wait its gundam?

[wintry mist]

"Real" Robot

[floral herald]

Huh I always assumed it was patlabor or one of those old anime which seem like they were drawn for the benefit of some kind of moving mechanical systems pervert

(I mean this very lovingly)

[wintry mist]

Afaik real robot mostly describes the story and setting and vibes

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/patlabor-patlabor2the-movie-mamoru-oshii-anime-robot-gif-17374371

[wintry mist]

Rather than if the robots are infact real

[wintry mist]

Oh thats good shit

[unreal cosmos]

of course, it made more sense when someone (someone here, maybe) explained that it was a matter of mecha as war machines vs mecha as superheroes

but still

[floral herald]

oh yeah that makes more sense

[wintry mist]

Yeahhh thats exactly it

[unreal cosmos]

I think low fantasy and hard sci-fi are both, like, recognizable but hard to actually pin down

[wintry mist]

You know it when you see it

[past sphinx]

You know it when ya see it

starwars vs battletech

[wintry mist]

My quintiseential "hard sf is vibes" media is Terra Invicta

[unreal cosmos]

the problem is some people know different things when they see it

bringing us back to the actual forum topic I once saw someone in this server claim that, to them, Age of Sigmar was indistinguishable from Lord of the Rings

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[unreal cosmos]

I may have yelled

[wintry mist]

I may have said something similar but it was to the effect of AoS feeling maybe too generic and mass marketable compared to WHFB

And not on this server

[unreal cosmos]

yeah this person was making the argument that High Fantasy was aesthetically homogenous to them

or something like that

[wintry mist]

But thats a problem I have with modern 40k too

[past sphinx]

i feel that that stems from posterboys not having the Scrungle they once did

[wintry mist]

Everything feels really corporate?

And sleek

Not the models just like, the vibes

[past sphinx]

you dont look at a box or a bit of art and see some wild off the wall fucker and go i wonder what the shit that is

just looks like a dude

[floral herald]

There’s plenty of scrungly models in modern 40K

But a lot of them aren’t Primaris space marines

[wintry mist]

Yeah but there are no scrungly space marines anymore

Space marines used to BE scrungly

[alpine quarry]

Sorry not sorry but thats stupid

[floral herald]

There’s some but it’s rare

[alpine quarry]

Aos is very unique aesthetically

[wintry mist]

These big squat dudes with pig snouts and goofy guns with big shoulders?

They look really angry all the time?

[alpine quarry]

I dislike some aspects of it but saying "literally lotr" is just wild

[wintry mist]

Pre primaris marines used to go crazy hard

[alpine quarry]

Lotr would be low fantasy by modern standards too

[unreal cosmos]

what do you think of plastic Heresy?

[past sphinx]

Gimmie the mk5 kits GW

[floral herald]

I think this guy is pretty good for scrungly primaris

[alpine quarry]

We called them midgets in russian/ukrainian speaking community

[wintry mist]

He just looks like some dude who killed someone

marines just had this... look to them that didn't look like anything else in scifi

[floral herald]

But also here’s the new Inq. Agents kill team which has much stronger scrungle

The dude with the fucked up haircut pump gun and a bite gag especially

[upper canopy]

He's like Nezuko

needs it to stop from biting the other members of the party

[wintry mist]

Primaris look unique too! But theyre sliding towards being more generic-y

[past sphinx]

i disagree i think theyve begun to become more scrungly

less generic kits and more weirdos like the sternguard seem to be popping up

[floral herald]

Same

[wintry mist]

Nah I think my favourite part of old marines is that they kinda just look like angry dogs

[floral herald]

The wave 1 primaris were the blandest

[past sphinx]

tragically so

[unreal cosmos]

I just wanna say that I've been spending time in a HH server and the Primaris discussions here and there are like night and day, lol

there's someone there who keeps saying MkX looks "AI generated"

[wintry mist]

WHAT

[alpine quarry]

I think they just looked funny

[wintry mist]

Yeah they were!

[alpine quarry]

Which became less good for poster boys as warhammer tries to be less of a falloutesque satire

[unreal cosmos]

not as a legitimate claim but just, a weird way of saying it's... actually I'm still not sure if they mean it's incoherent or bland

[wintry mist]

They're saying its generic and bland yeah

[alpine quarry]

I prefer serious looking marines personally

[floral herald]

Primaris design grew on me when I started looking closer

[wintry mist]

I think marines look serious in the art and the vanguards looks dope as hell

(The new ones)

[unreal cosmos]

but yeah it's wild to be used to people going "I just don't like the tacticool" and then experiencing "MkX backpacks suck so bad they make me want to bite someone"

[wintry mist]

The marines needed proper proportioning, not primaris-ing imo

[upper canopy]

I think MkX is like the only instance of Primaris looking good

[past sphinx]

ive learned i only really dislike the helmets on the MkX, swap them suckers around and they look fantastic!

[floral herald]

I like how MKX evokes some heresy era designs like MK4 because it was designed way back then

[upper canopy]

so that's wild to me

[unreal cosmos]

but then the HH zone is very serious about armor marks in general lol

[unreal cosmos]

they fucking HATE the kneepad flanges

[jaunty dawn]

imagine being that boring lmao

[unreal cosmos]

I think they're just kind of... extremely of a certain mindset, they're aesthetically fine-tuned

[floral herald]

that seems so weird to me

They're like 70-80% similar to the MK4 kneepads

[unreal cosmos]

It's an alien experience

[floral herald]

I can't be alone in this right?

[jaunty dawn]

i think going back and painting an old marine really makes you appreciate primaris haha

[unreal cosmos]

I guess that's what rivet-counting does to you

[jaunty dawn]

especially if you make it bigger

[unreal cosmos]

The difference is it's like a ball with a separate jutting portion

[wintry mist]

I say all this about Primaris but I still absolutely adore them

[jaunty dawn]

theres just like. no details

[wintry mist]

I just... feel like they're more generic a little bit now

[past sphinx]

Mk4 armor fucks pretty hard, i dislike the giant circles over the chonk square

[jaunty dawn]

also a big part of why hh2e is 'changing' designs imo

[unreal cosmos]

It's definitely closer to like, baseline scifi

I won't deny that

[naive abyss]

late but 40k is absolutely grimely science fantasy imo

[alpine quarry]

Thats like purely vibe based

[naive abyss]

like its origins are literally gw going "what if we did warhammer but in space"

[wintry mist]

They feel grand and imperial now rather than scrungly and industrial

[alpine quarry]

I think oldmarines looked pretty generic for a time they came out in

[floral herald]

I think Primaris benefit hugely from green stuffing some greebles and purity seals on

[naive abyss]

def

[jaunty dawn]

tbh I dont really feel like there much anti-generic stuff in mk7 that mkx doesnt also have. other than the helmet

[unreal cosmos]

I think Primaris, aesthetically, are a result of GW's designers trying to encapsulate the Cool Appeal of Space Marines. They're trying to make the platonic ideal of, perhaps ironically, the Astartes short.

[alpine quarry]

Its just that their design went for a long time without major changes, just upscales

[naive abyss]

my fave mk of primaris armor is the infiltrator though

i like the evolution of the frownie it has

[wintry mist]

The helmet is the single most important part of character design though

[naive abyss]

and they constantly tempt me to homebrew up some tacticool marines

[upper canopy]

Like I think Intercessors look fucking sick as hell

[wintry mist]

Because for all intents and purposes the helmet is the face

[jaunty dawn]

its the only good part of mk7 yeah ;P

[upper canopy]

but I think basically every Primaris variant troop looks lame

[unreal cosmos]

It used to be the only part I really knew how to tell the marks apart but, again, now I'm surrounded by people who fuss over the legs and backpacks

[floral herald]

I think the helix adept might be my favorite primaris model

[upper canopy]

I WISH there was a GRAVIS that looks COOL

[jaunty dawn]

helix adept is cool

[naive abyss]

cuz i oscilate between liking marines when im not fixating on scars again at least is as either horrible killing machines that are space knights (the most overall supported look imo) and tacticool (also supported but harder to make sorta distinct)

[jaunty dawn]

wish the multipart version from the phobos kill team was as cool

[naive abyss]

but yeah the infiltrarors are probably my fave baseline primaris infantry model

[floral herald]

Wait that's a different one from the kill team one?

[naive abyss]

just it just so happens that as i decide to get interested in DA gw decided to yeet a pile of DA support at us

[wintry mist]

Need some mk7 helmets to put on my marines...

[unreal cosmos]

in the HH discord you have some Phobos Appreciators but you're also gonna get at least one person going "tactical jorts 🤣 "

[jaunty dawn]

yeah thats the monopose from shadowspear

[wintry mist]

I wanna do something evil...

[floral herald]

I like the 80s nightmare guns the incursors have as well

[unreal cosmos]

not to keep dragging the comparisons up it's just, funny to observe

[floral herald]

I'm gonna remember this

[wintry mist]

Oh that rocks

[jaunty dawn]

painting dw vets is also fun cause you realise mkx is 90% just re proportioned mk8

[floral herald]

mkx doesn't have the funny gorget though

[unreal cosmos]

I'm not big on the scanner designs but I've warmed up to the kit ever since I realized how knifey they can be

[bright dove]

I am of the simple thought that I like the big shoulderpads.

[jaunty dawn]

i like the little forearm panels on mk8 a lot. in general the breaking up is nice

[floral herald]

ohh, I see which bits you mean

[jaunty dawn]

it does have a gorget but not like. sontaran ass

https://tenor.com/view/dr-who-doctor-sontaran-sontar-chant-gif-13869742

[naive abyss]

this has randomly reminded me that the bolters the new scouts have still look weird to me

[wintry mist]

Have Primaris marines made a proper video game appearance yet

[naive abyss]

cuz they made them a little bit longer

[wintry mist]

Ignoring like, the mobile games because I know they're in there

[jaunty dawn]

i really like mk8 helmet. its funny because like most of the the new frowny helmets being praised in sternguard etc are actually mk8s not the classic ones

[wintry mist]

WHAT AM I SAYING SPACE MARINE 2

[naive abyss]

yeah and we wont get again cuz the kin are now killing it with that drip lol

[naive abyss]

also boltgun

[jaunty dawn]

i really like the cable abs on phobos

[unreal cosmos]

the cable abs are very good

[floral herald]

Oh yeah the new scout guns are a little uncanny valley but I like em

[naive abyss]

they look good but my brain briefly gets conrused

[wintry mist]

Malum is a Primaris? Or are there other Primaris

[naive abyss]

also hm they arent as weird as i recall?

[floral herald]

Malum is firstborn afaik

[naive abyss]

i mean idk why we wouldtn assume hes primaris

[jaunty dawn]

hes wearing firstborn armour

[naive abyss]

thats not an indicator either way anymore lol

[unreal cosmos]

it's a little tricky to tell

[jaunty dawn]

and titularly using a boltgun and not a rifle haha

[unreal cosmos]

it does have the ankle circles

but they're pretty downplayed

no paneling on the backpack vents

[naive abyss]

also not an indicator anymore really lol

[jaunty dawn]

mk 8 has ankle circles :)

[naive abyss]

tbh i assume all new marine charactesr are primaris

[floral herald]

I'm actually not sure what he's wearing beyond an mk6 helmet

[naive abyss]

cuz why wouldnt they be

[jaunty dawn]

and the like segmented feets

[wintry mist]

Lots of marines dont cross the rubicon

[floral herald]

I think its an MK6 helm with an MK7 rest of it

[jaunty dawn]

mark 8 greaves

[naive abyss]

and lots more do or started out as primaris

[alpine quarry]

I kinda hate them

They look like american football players with guns

[floral herald]

Oh those are 8s for the greaves?

[unreal cosmos]

The thing is the distinction is becoming less important

[naive abyss]

also true

[alpine quarry]

But i just hate muscular people so thats that

[naive abyss]

almost like they realized the mistake they made

[brittle salmon]

Why...?

[unreal cosmos]

I kind of assumed he was Primaris BUT only because new Sternguard just came out

[naive abyss]

also that tbh

[unreal cosmos]

but also the Sternguard are generation-agnostic

so

shrug

[naive abyss]

like we just got sternguard who had primaris in them

[jaunty dawn]

sternguard really just have old helmets tbh

[floral herald]

I'd assumed he was firstborn cause all his weapons are pre-2018

[naive abyss]

no they dont?

[jaunty dawn]

the few other details are just like. retro stylised mk x

[floral herald]

(And because Boltgun is set before Primaris marines appeared I'm pretty sure)

[naive abyss]

but either way ill just say hes whatever your heart says he is

[jaunty dawn]

as opposed to literally using say mk 6 greaves they have mk6 styled mk x greaves

[unreal cosmos]

artificer armor...

[alpine quarry]

Its a joke

I just dont like the archetype of a brickfaced guy thats also built out of bricks

[brittle salmon]

Right

[naive abyss]

thats why i make mine ladies lol

[upper canopy]

I don't think there's actually any date to Boltgun's plot

[naive abyss]

fuck you gw and chuds lady marines out the wahzoo in my homebrew

[upper canopy]

just that it takes place after Space Marine

[floral herald]

It's 20 years after Space Marine 1 iirc

[wintry mist]

Boltgun devs knew that to make a space marine do all of that and have it be realistic

He would need to be a named Ultramarine

[floral herald]

Or "several years"

idk why I thought 20

[alpine quarry]

It looks kinda funny on new scouts but i think thats not a fault of the model

Its the color scheme

[naive abyss]

tbh i still think boltgun shouldve been a black templar or dark angel lol

but i get why it was a ultra

[jaunty dawn]

oh also comparing new old helmets with old helmets gosh the casts have gotten so much crisper its not even funny

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

[pulsar holly]

Think you could run an entirely Naval focused campaign in Imperium Maledictum if your patron belongs to the Navy? Like dealing with stuff onboard the ship, etc. Maybe in the middle of a campaign?

[naive abyss]

people often forget how much better the modern sculpts are

[upper canopy]

100%

What it's there for honestly.

[unreal cosmos]

I think it's important to show Ultras can also be ravening swordfreaks

[naive abyss]

i think its important to show less ultras tbh

[brittle salmon]

Yes, Imperial ships are functionally floating cities and societies in of themselves

[alpine quarry]

Bright pants with even brighter armor is just kinda silly looking especially with a face of a fifty year old

[naive abyss]

which ironically gw is sorta starting to do at least ever so briefly with the DA love

[floral herald]

They look more military in RG colors

[alpine quarry]

Exactly my thoughts, this looks very good

[floral herald]

I am a little puzzled by the dark skinned raven guard but it doesn't bug me

[jaunty dawn]

he is ashy

[unreal cosmos]

would love to see em as White Scars, idk what's the best undersuit color for them tho

[jaunty dawn]

idk if thats intentional or just eavy metal faces lol

[naive abyss]

i do find it funny gw like has made my homebrew canon like oddly soon after i first made my DA homebrew and decided to say fuck it im using the og HH colors cuz they look better to me

[floral herald]

Probably better than "being raven guard whitewashes you" even if space marines change skin tone like chameleons mostly

[floral herald]

If its intentional its great imo

[upper canopy]

was gonna say

[jaunty dawn]

ye

[upper canopy]

GW sculpts are good but I don't think they could get across "I'm a dark-skinned albino" well.

[unreal cosmos]

Honestly they might nowadays

[desert jay]

We need more jawline diversity

[unreal cosmos]

Haven't seen a space marine with vitiligo yet

[jaunty dawn]

we need twink marines

[alpine quarry]

I need me some twink marines.....

[naive abyss]

tbh i just want less cueballs

[alpine quarry]

[wintry mist]

I dont

[unreal cosmos]

if fanart is any indication that's Thousand Sons

[naive abyss]

like its wild that part of why i like lion is hes one of the few primarchs with facial hair

[unreal cosmos]

I've seen so many femboy Ahrimans lol

[naive abyss]

like its wild thats a notable feature to me on these giant muscle man demigods

[wintry mist]

Oh if you mean give them hair yes

[naive abyss]

i mean facial hair more than anything

[jaunty dawn]

although that just makes me remeber that the navy breachers have like a beefiness based promotion scheme

[wintry mist]

But they should all be big and beefy and square

[naive abyss]

im exhausted of clean shaven marines

[wintry mist]

I mean it makes sense

Its a military thing

[naive abyss]

i frankly dont care

40k shouldnt make sense it should be silly and cool lol

[alpine quarry]

Mtf sisters of battle...

[wintry mist]

Well okay then

[naive abyss]

and id like more beards i beg

[jaunty dawn]

biggest marine gets a shield. next biggest guys get heavy guns

[naive abyss]

like applying the military standard for hair to killing machine space knights just is sorta ludicrous to me lol

[jaunty dawn]

this is reflected in their wound values in kt

[wintry mist]

That goes crazy hard

[naive abyss]

it just makes them lack any head variety

[unreal cosmos]

Spoilering because this might be a little too saucy, will delete if requested

[alpine quarry]

They are genetically modified space cyberknights with swords and guns

I think they can afford facial hair

[naive abyss]

we just have eighty takes on cue ball or crop cut

[unreal cosmos]

I like the mohawks

we need a sidecut marine

[naive abyss]

to the point its identified as a space wolves thing to have facial hair

[jaunty dawn]

more emo marines

[naive abyss]

which sure yeah space vikings i get that but it should be notably they have really long hair and beards

[unreal cosmos]

Shrike is an inspiration

[wintry mist]

It's more about discipline etc etc

[jaunty dawn]

i like space wolf heads a lot

[naive abyss]

not just that they have beards

[unreal cosmos]

"your chapter master looks gnc as fuck"

[jaunty dawn]

I think marines just be old men

[naive abyss]

thats a modern concept of discipline

[wintry mist]

Yeah

[alpine quarry]

I for one think this should be the marine standard

[wintry mist]

I know

GW is a modern company

[naive abyss]

which agian imo doesnt slot well into silly space knights

[jaunty dawn]

grizzly old men that never leave their armour and go ho ho ho

[naive abyss]

more scrungly marines would be nice

[jaunty dawn]

especially terminators

[unreal cosmos]

we need bear marines

there's that one space wolf who was built like Obelix

[naive abyss]

hes ironically my fave

[unreal cosmos]

we need more strongman guts

[naive abyss]

of the wolves that is

like id love him to get a modern plastic model

arjac i think is his name

i love that hes like just big fuck off hammer man

[jaunty dawn]

arjac is cool

[naive abyss]

but also sometimes is oddly wise and sage

[jaunty dawn]

got a shield. got a hammer. simple as

[naive abyss]

like how he teased the idea of lady space wolf marines

and then nothing was done with that

cuz of course not

[unreal cosmos]

I've seen some de-plagued plague marines with the big gut plates

they looked pretty good

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[naive abyss]

i do find it funny that of all the legions the wolves and DA are the two i think look better in their HH colors

[pulsar holly]

Yeah, that’s why I’m excited for the Rogue Trader dlc focusing on the interior of your ship

[naive abyss]

cuz they are literally rivals

[upper canopy]

There's a channel on Youtube that does Killteam videos

and one guy has the "Space Bears" as his chapter

[unreal cosmos]

I meant the other kind of bear but I do like the Space Bears

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kh7WPN0QjI

[unreal cosmos]

you need to make DA/SW rival yuri

[jaunty dawn]

seconded

[upper canopy]

It's really high production value

[naive abyss]

i mean ive on of consider pitting my ideas for 13th company against my risen idea

but i do like the risen against WE if only due to the visual of it

[unreal cosmos]

what I need in my life is a Crusade league with homoerotic narratives

[naive abyss]

and cuz they both have my fave 40k primarch models atm

i do wonder if were getting wolves next or not

ostensibly its the one loyalist primarch we still have with an overt return route

yes i know vulkan has his relics and in theory can come back but i feel lemans is more overt

and im not holding my breath for the khan lol

[floral herald]

I'm late but clean shaven marines makes sense to me because of the use of helmets

[naive abyss]

i mean to be clear my issue is less it not making sense

[floral herald]

Sort of like how WW1 gas masks finished off the "soldier's facial hair" which was around for so long before

[naive abyss]

and more it just becoming super bloody boring

[alpine quarry]

Maskless helmets...

[floral herald]

yeah its a fair thing aesthetically

[jaunty dawn]

the new term librarian has nice facial hair

[wintry mist]

Another thing is model practicality

[naive abyss]

hell part of the thing i like with lov is them differetiating with heads quite a bit and the dimorphism they have

[desert jay]

There's also bird boy

[floral herald]

the new termie one?

I love that model

[jaunty dawn]

but hes basically a rune priest model anyway

[naive abyss]

now granted i like guard not relying on "dudes have beards ladies dont" for their coed

but for space dorfs its nice

even if i want to model on some sideburns for them lol

[naive abyss]

tbh hes less likely that the other three

[floral herald]

sideburns seem pretty gs-able if you're into that kind of thing

[jaunty dawn]

terminator librarian my beloved

[floral herald]

(I'm not I'm a modeling puttylet)

[naive abyss]

since hes a weird fucked up bird monster doing gods know what at this point in the warp

[upper canopy]

I think it makes sense for marines to be bald cuz yeah

you can usually just tack your hair on them

[naive abyss]

oh for sure

its part of why i dont mind the ladies being sideburnless

i just personally like my lady dorfs with some cheek hair

no fu ll beards but still haired up

[jaunty dawn]

space marine toupee

[naive abyss]

its a nice way to maintain the whole hairy face but still have a clear dimorphism

[jaunty dawn]

blood angels are another chapter that avoid mpb

[floral herald]

I like the rare close cropped hair models

[naive abyss]

i think it become more an issue for me with like characters

[jaunty dawn]

majestic locks

[naive abyss]

like so many named characters basically have the same head lol

[floral herald]

But the Lord Executioner is also just one of my favorite space marine sculpts

[naive abyss]

i think my fave marine sculpt pre modern era was the interogattor champlain for DA

really good model even now

[jaunty dawn]

the power of the angel

hair fallen't out

[wintry mist]

It is holy fuck

Goddamn

[naive abyss]

my fave primarisfied character is probably kosarro

[floral herald]

I think my favorite, and this probably is a weirdo thing is the Master of Relics

I really like how unheroic the model is

[naive abyss]

even if he also upsets me at the same time lol

[naive abyss]

hes a vibe

[wintry mist]

He looks so fucking done

[naive abyss]

i also really like the deatwatch veterans

[pastel rampart]

https://taleofpainters.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_7469.jpg

Go for the classic

[floral herald]

He also reminds me strongly of the original RT era Leman Russ art

[upper canopy]

Should bring that look back

[jaunty dawn]

the real classic are the sw scout heads

[alpine quarry]

He looks like a white zucchini attached to a suit of armor

[floral herald]

XCOM-wolves

they're great

[alpine quarry]

Actual bees in mouth looking mf

[naive abyss]

i feel this model has informed every DA release after it lol

also the new termie knights are definitely my fave termies

[floral herald]

oh that one

Yeah that's a really good one

the DA have mostly had really solid faction sculpts

[naive abyss]

old belial is pretty doofy but in a charming way

i really hope we get an updated sammael eventually

hes probably my fave DA marine character

that or the librarian

man i just had such a personal psychic damage thought

of what if they release the khan but still give scars nothing

like id be happy for the khan

but man

[bold halo]

that sounds about right

[naive abyss]

and hed also have no bike

[past sphinx]

we would be standing next to a bike and not have bike rules

[naive abyss]

gw releasing models just to upset scars fans lol

[alpine quarry]

Optional head sculpt for gulliman

[past sphinx]

just to salt the wound

[naive abyss]

but i wont go into anymore

[bold halo]

upset scars you say

[naive abyss]

just that specific variant of scar fan eternal suffering randomly intruded on my mind

man that just reminds me of when scars could take bikes as infantry

and now im sad lol

[desert jay]

A) We know what he's doing, he's looking for traitor Primarchs (esp Lorgar)
B) Traitor Primarchs keep showing up in Chaos armies so Corax showing up to fight them makes some sense
C) Maybe I want a weird fucked up bird monster, would really shake up the Imperial aesthetic

[naive abyss]

fair

[floral herald]

A straight up MC-style loyalist primarch would be dope

[naive abyss]

ill admit i just have little interest in edgy bird man

[bold halo]

I mean there's no force org chart any more so you can spam bikes again

[naive abyss]

i mean sure but im pretty sure something with how objectives work would make that a bad idea

[bold halo]

fast moving units are pretty popular atm for scoring

[naive abyss]

also kosarro can no longer get on a bike to stay astride so idk

[bold halo]

like shadow spectres and swooping hawks are big scoring units for eldar now because they're cheap, can deep strike, and fly fast as fuck

[naive abyss]

again id rather move on otherwise ill just get doomery over scars lol

[floral herald]

Pure bikes was always whack for scoring but running some scouts or something to babysit them is pretty common

But bikes are pretty popular in general since speed is life for a lot of tournament things

[bold halo]

kerchow

[naive abyss]

somewhat random but the new knights still very much fuck in the og DA colors

[floral herald]

I forget if it was late 9e or 10e but there was a really well placing CSM list which used a lot of bikes and raptors

I think it was 9e

[naive abyss]

but yeah ive found a happy place with marines in that i can more or less do my risen all veterans with the lion idea with all plastic now lol

also me randomly deciding to watch the exodite has reminded me how funny it is to me that the first lady ethereal is a limited time anniversary model

also im shocked we got risen as a normal unit and not a killteam first ngl

happy to have them but it was a surprise

[floral herald]

Kill Team is weird about space marine rep

There are no chapter specific loyalist marine KTs

But there's soon to be 3 chapter specific chaos marine ones

(Tsons, Death Guard, and soon Night Lords)

[alpine quarry]

Me watching every single tactic marines employ get a separate killteam

(i am a xenos player)

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[floral herald]

xenos are eating pretty well in KT

Or at least

[alpine quarry]

True!

[floral herald]

Eldar are

[alpine quarry]

Mhm

Tyranids are in a bad spot imo

[floral herald]

Tyranids can console themselves with having a top tier compendium team but yeah

[desert jay]

Hive fleet?

[alpine quarry]

Necrons not having lychguard as an option is so weird tbh

[floral herald]

Yeah Hive Fleet is among the strongest compendium lists and is one of the ones which can tangle with bespokes/specialist teams

[bold halo]

tyranid warriors are beefy as all hell in kill team

[desert jay]

Oh there's just the one, for some reason I thought there was a gaunt team and a genestealer team

[floral herald]

Oh yeah its mixed

[bold halo]

yeah it's pick two of warriors, genestealers, your preferred flavor of gaunts

[floral herald]

But 10x stealers is a common way to run it

[bold halo]

just can't go 2x gaunts

[alpine quarry]

I think theres a genestealer cult theme, no?

Team*

[bold halo]

there's two genestealer cult teams

[alpine quarry]

Like separately

Mhm

[desert jay]

GSCs are kinda different from like... hive vanguard purestrains

[bold halo]

hive fleet just gets to slam all purestrain genestealer on the board

[floral herald]

Wyrmblade is a really cool specialist team as well

[alpine quarry]

Tau also are not doing so well thematically as far as i remember

Although pathfinders were strong i guess

[floral herald]

Tau get Hunter Cadre which is… ok

Pathfinders are great rep though imo

[thin ibex]

pathfinders remain strong

[desert jay]

Brood coven I'm guessing is compendium?

[thin ibex]

its just that the terrain states have changed up

[floral herald]

They’re probably top tier now

[thin ibex]

yeah the new industrial terrain i think might favor tau stuff a bit

[alpine quarry]

They were when i played

[floral herald]

They were always super strong but hard to pilot on ITD boards

[thin ibex]

the ywere bad at gallowdark or whatever it was called

because of the plentiful dead sight lines

[floral herald]

But Bheta Decima boards with better sight lines and them effectively getting +1 operatives makes them scary

As well as some ignores obscured options

[desert jay]

Also gosh I love the kelemorph, that 3-armed gunslinger

[thin ibex]

the kroot farstalkers are fun but harder to play i think

[bold halo]

I've heard the kroot are really sturdy in cover but that's also all I've heard about them

[thin ibex]

i like em

they very much want to ambush people

[floral herald]

Farstalkers are tricky to play yeah

They have a lot of good operatives but they’re sort of poor damage across the board and I’ve heard they play objective team more than kill team in a lot of MUs

[desert jay]

Okay I just had a silly idea for a Knight KT

You have a gaggle of cheap infantry and a pilot (Sir Hekhtur model) and the pilot gets to call shots in the windows

[naive abyss]

one of the weirder things with xenos and KT is the persistent rumor lov are getting another killteam

[alpine quarry]

So similar to rogue trader killteam?

[naive abyss]

which make me wonder if they are just gonna make the current lov killteam the new basic infantry box for hearthkyn warriors

[floral herald]

You can kinda do that with the Rogue Trader team yeah at least thematically

[bold halo]

I just can't wait to teleports behind you with striking scorpions

[alpine quarry]

I really think hero-centered teams like the cryptek are very fun to play

[desert jay]

Ah yeah I just looked that up, sure kinda like that

[bold halo]

mandiblasters + patient stalk, sudden blow sounds so silly

[alpine quarry]

Its so weird that no other team really works with that tho

[desert jay]

Fuck, turns out silly idea isn't that silly

[bold halo]

move past a guy, 1d3+2 mortal wounds
choose them as a target to fight, 2 mortal wounds

then we can fight

[floral herald]

God that’s so strong lol

Could actually just kill a 7 wound guy with no chance to fight back

[bold halo]

and all scorps means I can do it twice a turning point lol

just delete lighter dudes effortlessly

even a heavier target I can soften them up to the tune of 14 free damage

[bright dove]

That's the Striking Scorpions for ya.

[floral herald]

Tbf 14 mortals kills I think all but 2-3 stat blocks in KT

[dense sedge]

you know what would be a cool killteam? Blood angels black company

[bold halo]

opponent just actually gets to react between activations if I have to do it twice

[floral herald]

Yeah true

[bold halo]

but yeah even the giant gellerpox dudes have like, 18-19 wounds?

[floral herald]

Though just putting out 6 means you get to fight an Injured space marine which is pretty good

[bold halo]

zoom past them a couple times before committing

[floral herald]

Death company would be badass

[bold halo]

god death company rules

actually I think vs gellerpox scorpions just look at all the little dudes funny first and they fall over because they're all 2 wounds

mutants are 7, glitchlings 3

not that I have to worry about it, my group of friends is gonna be on uh

veteran guardsmen, hunter cadre/farstalker

[dense sedge]

right, that's their name

[floral herald]

Those will be interesting matchups I think

[alpine quarry]

To be fair there are multiple teams that kinda just kill you without any real retaliation

[floral herald]

Vet Guard is just kinda kill team ass kill team

[bold halo]

then the friend of the guardsmen friend has the ork half of that starter box so I might play against that too

[floral herald]

And Farstalker vs Scorps sounds wild

[bold halo]

all I see looking at vet guard is a bunch of 7s

I have one trick

[floral herald]

Yeah that’s vet guard haha

[alpine quarry]

My hierotek circle vs pathfinders was mostly just me rolling a despotek attack and going like "okay so this guy is dead"

[bold halo]

(there are other tricks)

[floral herald]

Having a lot of credible 7w guys

[bold halo]

I can't wait to actually play out Predator vs vet guard

[dense sedge]

what's wrong with it? I think that the krieg boys are very cool

[bold halo]

living up to their visual inspiration in the biggest way by just yoinking dudes into the shadows

[floral herald]

Oh sorry I didn't mean for that to sound negative vet guard is just kind of "baseline" for KT

They do almost everything a kill team can do and are a super well rounded team

[dense sedge]

oh, I was talking balancewise as well yeah

neat, I am considering picking up the kill team starter with them and orks

[floral herald]

Oh, in terms of balance they are very strong

KT is in general very tightly balanced but vet guard are really well rounded so they don't really have good MUs and have a lot of depth to learn so you can be a specialist in them

So they often have really good tournament showings

Competitively their biggest problem is that they're super common so opponents tend to know how to play into them pretty well

Which is uh

A really good problem to have

[dense sedge]

chaos cultists has a bunch of sculpts I love (dark comune and twisted cultists) but assembing it looks like an expensive pain

[floral herald]

Yeah Chaos Cult is a pricy one since they're a rare 3 box kt

They also just ate huge nerfs in the most recent balance slate

But they're still good just not top 1

[dense sedge]

its a shame ashes of faith sold out so quickly, especially since that whole box was cheaper than buying the three individually

[floral herald]

yeah...

I wish I'd had a chance for that one

Inq. Agents is another really cool team

[bold halo]

how are the space marine scouts I have coming opposite my scorps?

[floral herald]

They look solid

Obv no stats but they have some good fire base models and a lot of guys who can advance to do things

And some neat setup tricks

They look pretty solid to me with just a bunch of tough (ish) models with good weapons

Scouts and BoK are also up on KTdash if you wanna futz around with them

https://ktdash.app/fa/IMP/kt/SCT

Wow do they really get 2 heavy weapons?

That's a fire base

[bold halo]

yeah that's where I've been poking around while I wither away waiting for the preorder date for my box to hit so it actually ships

I'll have it in like two weeks or something

[floral herald]

they look solid to me

I will probably pick up the scouts box eventually

[bold halo]

cool, should be fun to mess around with as a contrast to the melee heavy blades of khaine

[brittle salmon]

Vet Guard are basically your horde gold standard

[dense sedge]

I wish it had the full ten isntead of the five and the requisitions

[brittle salmon]

They have a lot of unit variety with your standard, very solid gunner weapons and an array of nasty tricks

[dense sedge]

especially if you don't realize that you need the interogater when it has an alt

[floral herald]

I think the requisitions are cool from a listbuilding standpoint because you get 30 operative slots and can make an insanely flexible roster to draft from

[brittle salmon]

It's true, but the unfortunate fact is, Breachers are basically your best option

[floral herald]

I think Vet Guard and Scions can also be pretty good choices but yeah

Breachers are great for them

[brittle salmon]

Kasrkin lose their big rule that makes them so schnasty, and Vet Guard are good but also lose orders

Breachers lose the least and have more overall beef

[bold halo]

okay yeah my brother's going in on pathfinders over the kroot

bracing to get shot with rail rifles

[alpine quarry]

I still think scions are really misrepresented in killteam

[brittle salmon]

How so?

[bold halo]

once again can't help but notice all the pathfinder kill team models have 7 wounds lol

my favourite number

[alpine quarry]

They feel weak and like a sidenote, while imo they deserve their own team

[brittle salmon]

That's sorta the thing - we have Kasrkin now

[alpine quarry]

Yea

[brittle salmon]

Which are Cadian-brand Scions, and you can easily reskin them to be Tempestus

All the same gear and stuff

[alpine quarry]

True, pretty easily

But still, yknow

[floral herald]

Being able to take the comms guy from scions or vet guard seems nice but yeah I agree - 6 breachers is really nice

[brittle salmon]

Yeah it's what the pro scene is using

[floral herald]

Oh - fwiw you can just take all 12 Inq. Agent guys

Though it means you must 2 box because of how the models fit together

[brittle salmon]

I get what you mean

Ah fuck you know why Breachers are so popular

you can get the free grenade guy

Duh

[floral herald]

oh yeah that makes sense

[ebon forge]

That's a really good black, damn.

[untold swallow]

Have there been marines that were both chapter master and chief librarian simultaneously?

[brittle salmon]

Yes, and it's a very famous example too - Azariah Kyras of the Blood Ravens

[untold swallow]

Nice

I think my chapter master is gonna be the chief librarian as well

But not because she wants to be

But because the previous one got corrupted

[dense sedge]

if the upcoming kt is night lords vs mandrakes me and my brother have agreed to split the box

[naive abyss]

its not paint its an image edit

those models arent out yet lol

[thin ibex]

I got the kasrkin box, haven't opened em or assembled yet

I have to November to buy the paints I need and build them and paint them

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/theminiaturista/status/1744431973748142480

[bold halo]

green goo spotted

[pulsar holly]

So for anyone who's played W&G...if I play a Ratling, am I absolutely limited to the Ratling Sniper archetype or could I be a Ratling Imperial Guardsman, Ganger, or Ministorum Priest?

[solemn gull]

Okay so those are the archetypes from the core rulebook

However you can make a character organically by selecting a species and then taking skills off that

So yeah you could play any of those ideas with a bit more work although I would be interested in finding out how a ratling got let into the echlesiarchy

[pulsar holly]

I shall have to think about it

But the image of a Ratling Regimental chaplain does make me giggle a little bit

[thin ibex]

Zealot halfling

Twice zeal, half the stature

[bold halo]

has to tailor the uniform himself because it's one size fits most

[solemn gull]

Bet the other regimental priests get angry when they all assemble before a large deployment

[thin ibex]

Just absolutely blowing their stack with exhortations. Red in the face. Each yell lifting them bodily into the air

[pulsar holly]

Somehow the Ratling wound up being the most popular chaplain in the regiment

[solemn gull]

Maybe although a abhuman preaching to you about how mutants are bad would confuse them more than anything

“Are we the abhumans”

[pulsar holly]

I still find it funny that for the longest fucking time, and I do mean the LONGEST fucking time, I thought Ratlings were essentially rat people. I never knew until I saw the art in W&G that Ratlings are 40k's Halflings.

[solemn gull]

Never knew why they decided on ratling for the knockoff name

I guess squats was already taken

[pulsar holly]

-angry kin noises-

[thin ibex]

Screenshot might be too small but made a kasrkin and taurox list

[solemn gull]

https://tenor.com/view/baggis-alfabusa-squats-tts-gif-24364290

[bold halo]

I have nothing constructive to add but god DAMN that's a lot of unique loadouts per kasrkin unit

[thin ibex]

I didn't really bring any of the big high octane models, a lot is riding on the reroll wounds and multiple orders from officers on the kasrkins

[dense sedge]

gellerpox are pretty cool

[bold halo]

yeah they were high up my shortlist to pick up first

[past sphinx]

seeing atillans in a list for the first time in like 20 years and then remebering theres new fucking atillans has struck me like a brick

[thin ibex]

They're really good quick moving melee for the guard!

Something they otherwise sorely lack

[past sphinx]

the blantant disrespect to the loyal chainsword on the sentinals

i always got them, dont think ive literally ever used them

[naive abyss]

random but ngl ive realized daemon magnus with his mask and the right paint job i actually vibe with

[desert jay]

I didn't know he had a mask option, that's kinda rad

[dense sedge]

He also has a masked and cyclops option

[uneven ember]

No mask?
No mask!

[pulsar holly]

Debating whether to go for this $20 per session short W&G campaign on Startplaying, or the $20 per session Enemy Within Fantasy 4E though the $14 homebrewed Warhammer Fantasy campaign might be a better idea since cheaper. Though I probably shouldn't spend any money at all....but fuck me I cannot find a free table

[naive abyss]

im biased but if youre gonna do one id say whfrp 4e

https://www.deviantart.com/sufferst/art/Howling-banshee-828358003

[pulsar holly]

Enemy within (Enemy in Shadows)? Or homebrewed?

Is Enemy Within really good?

[naive abyss]

id say enemy within imo

its like a super beloved adventure

anc c7 spruced up a bunch for 4e too

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/minipainting/comments/zwl5ou/painted_a_skeleton_trying_a_different_nmm_style/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://vxtwitter.com/twt_savadava/status/1744043108852273394?s=46

[pulsar holly]

Argenta

[ebon forge]

The main reason to play Dogmatic on RogueTrader:
Honestly even Iconoclast she will like you ||but her ending slide will be sadif you got her PowerArmor||

[ebon forge]

This is not against the canon
you see
They are Pray buddies
Very close pray buddies

[ebon forge]

'At no point did the Legion stop marching. Pistol-fire broke out as the enforcers, in expensive business suits, took out one of the mortals in the avenue that strayed far enough(...)'

Enforcers in suits
Enforcers in suits

[jaunty dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/191jbmt/chainaxes_for_everyone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[solemn gull]

Knowing 40k the suits are probably armoured

[bitter mortar]

iirc sisters aren't celibate by default

theres no assumption for it

[ebon forge]

Oh yeah we have some SoB that date and even have loved ones, but in Argenta's case, she's celibate.

[thin ibex]

I imagine the nun thing might incline people to assume it, but yeah I don't think we have a lot to suggest a organizational doctrine of celibacy

I do imagine that being a dedicated warrior order, romance generally comes second to duty, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, much less sex

[thin ibex]

hmm

anyone got a army and theme to build around they wanna throw at me?

[untold swallow]

Psyker marines

[thin ibex]

hummm, ok

i have at least one possible interpretation for that

ill make it at 2k

[untold swallow]

I will freely admit the suggestion is cuz I'm making a chapter of mostly psyker marines

[thin ibex]

you got a chapter name to throw at me?

[untold swallow]

The Ivory Drakes

They also like their flamers and flying vehicles

[thin ibex]

(Flavor Mephiston as your own epic hero character!)

[thin ibex]

also in case you wanted to look at datacards

[untold swallow]

Nice

what website is this?

Or app or whatever

[thin ibex]

one mistake upon review though is i need a squad for IvoryDrake!Mephiston to ride around with

its New Recruit!
https://www.newrecruit.eu/

i went with blood angels as the source simply because you get access to librarian dreadnoughts

[untold swallow]

nice

[thin ibex]

and the flamers and flying lended well to firestorm assault detachment (gives all ranged weapons assault and +1 strength at close range)

[untold swallow]

Are you able to share the list? I kinda wanna alter it if that's all right

[untold swallow]

Thank you!

also, Vitarus is very easily reflavorable for this chapter master lol

Cuz her weapon is a flaming sword too

Just

An Aeldari one

[thin ibex]

yeah, i figured using an existing fancy psyker works well

[untold swallow]

lol ye

[thin ibex]

I'd only switch to a generic if you were running in crusade

cuase then you can customize via battle honors n stuff

for funsies ill try making an anti them nid force, like a boss battle or something

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/Kirioth/status/1744723937635012704?t=DbYKVnXqH5K7966thnuemw&s=19

[cinder wraith]

i bought this

[soft willow]

That exact one? Or just a Reiver in general?

[cinder wraith]

the exact one

[bright dove]

Neat.

[pastel rampart]

Hell yeah. Official GW one?

[cinder wraith]

yes

[soft willow]

Oooh, are you getting the certificate and everything?

[untold swallow]

Are there other chapters that are able to do a psyker heavy force?

[cinder wraith]

idk

[upper canopy]

Depends what you mean

[untold swallow]

As in most heroes are going to be psykers

[upper canopy]

Technically anyone can do that but the chapters most known for it would be the blood ravens and silver skulls

[floral herald]

And the BRs still have a lot of blunts in chapter command

I think the same is true for the silver skulls but I’ve only read like 1 story about them and it was years ago

[untold swallow]

ah well I guess mechanically my chapter is gonna stay Blood Angels

even tho lorewise they're a salamander successor

[jaunty dawn]

blood angels are the only ones to get unique librarians really

[thin ibex]

@untold swallow

[untold swallow]

Fucking

Three neurotyrants

Yup

XD

[pastel rampart]

Space Wolves count, surely.

[thin ibex]

they get 1, in the form of njall iirc

[jaunty dawn]

not anymore : )

rune priests just use librarian rules nowadays

[thin ibex]

but rune priests are not their own unit

yeha

also wolf priests are not their own unit, but they cannot take apothecaries

[untold swallow]

wait, talus

[jaunty dawn]

there are a few named librarians around though yeah

[untold swallow]

There's a spare ten points and you could make both of the librarians not in phobos armor wear phobos armor on the list

[jaunty dawn]

so if you're not attached to lib naughts then pick whatever fits your special bookboy

[untold swallow]

I'm not that attached to libnaughts

But like

[thin ibex]

very true, but then they cant lead the intercessors

[untold swallow]

s'fine

[pastel rampart]

Oh that's dumb, ugh.

[untold swallow]

oooooooh

wait why not?

[thin ibex]

yeah the only reason i went with BA is libnaughts

[jaunty dawn]

my psyker list is gonna be swolves for hounds of morkai led by a phobos libby

[floral herald]

I do think one of the great casualties of 10e is psykers being super boring

[jaunty dawn]

anti psyker psykers

[thin ibex]

I honestly love this combo

[untold swallow]

Do phobos librarians just not have leader?

[thin ibex]

They do! They can only lead other phobos units though

[jaunty dawn]

phobos libby is just one of the coolest models too

[untold swallow]

ah

[thin ibex]

hounds of morkai are just really fun flavor, band of psyker hunters loping over a larger field to hunt down the casters of the enemy

possibly the most interesting take on reivers in general

[thin ibex]

yee, main reason i have only 1 is because they'd be attached to the incursors

[tepid stratus]

Hounds of Morkai are those boys that obsess over the wolves punking the tsons inspite of not having been alive when it happened

[jaunty dawn]

pff

[thin ibex]

id wish they were a kill team if their goal wasn't so specific

i think my favorite aspect of them is that they are a threatening bolt pistol and knife unit

which i think is underloved

[tepid stratus]

There the British football hooligan obsessing over that one time they beat Germany in the world Cup 60 years ago

Pistol and knife does go hard tho. Need more of that aesthetic

[thin ibex]

they also engage nice with the hunter aspect of the wolves that im so partial to

[jaunty dawn]

morkai's howl is just "TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP"

[thin ibex]

lol

[solemn gull]

If only anyone played reavers

[tepid stratus]

"TWO CRUSADES AND ONE PLANET!"

[floral herald]

I think you can just run phobos strike team pretty well for hounds in kill team

[untold swallow]

I think I'm gonna chuck the libnaughts and go for more flying vehicles

[bright dove]

I am army planning for AoS, and it is so incredibly tempting for my jump to 1k points to be just adding in a Ghorgon.

[thin ibex]

Yeah, though if i was running a "hounds" KT id use more of hte other phobos options to give me dimension over just having reivers

[bright dove]

Like, sure, I could get another hero and some more Gors.

[tepid stratus]

Do it. Bring the beef!

[thin ibex]

totally makes sense! My thought was they provided some nice str 12/13 anti armor shooting, but you could easily swap in other forms of big shooting

[floral herald]

The pretty standard setup is like marksman veteran reivers iirc

It’s a weirdly reiver heavy list a lot of the time

[thin ibex]

oh? That's surprising but it does make a bit of sense

with the reiver ability

shutting down objective control

[untold swallow]

(I am bad at the rules so this is maybe a dumb decision lol)

[thin ibex]

nah, we're going on vibes and themes! Not dumb, you're makin a decision ON vibes

I was mostly trying to compromise between vibes and covering some mechanical bases

[floral herald]

Reivers are also your best melee guys and guerrilla tactics makes getting into melee easier I think

[cinder wraith]

hehehehhehehehje

[floral herald]

I thought it was weird too

[untold swallow]

fairs

[thin ibex]

but the gladiator lancer for example is MUCH more efficient shooting

for anti tank

[untold swallow]

I do appreciate the use of the combi-weapon lieutenants

feels like a vibe for the non-psyker psycho mfs in the chapter

[bright dove]

BEEF

[thin ibex]

could also bring a flyer like the stormraven instead of the libdreads

[floral herald]

From a competitive play standpoint I will note that flyers are pretty much all terrible in 10e, at least right now

[thin ibex]

in my defense i interpreted "flyer" as hovering stuff too, like stormspeeders and grav tanks

[floral herald]

Oh fair those are different

[thin ibex]

but also the stormraven is pretty cool despite being not mechanically great

a sensible thunderhawk

lol

i still occassionally try to make lists around them

as like the crusades "hq" vehicle

that the squad/force operates out of

[floral herald]

It’s a good flyer the “doesn’t get to play for 20% of a game” rule just sucks for them

[thin ibex]

as hover i think they can be on the board turn 1!

they just get shot down pretty easy and undershoot for the points

[untold swallow]

I was thinking flyer as more like 'to the point it's their main form of transport'

[thin ibex]

I've also dreamed of running a crusade with a Thunderhawk as a core part of my force lol

to narratively explain how they get places

[untold swallow]

talus ur giving me cool ideas but also ouch owey the amount of points a thawk costs

[thin ibex]

i really vibe, in general, with the concept of a mobile "HQ" transport when exploring narrative lists

but yeah

thats been a major obstacle for me too xD

thunderhawk PRICEY

the stormraven is like a baby hawk

tho

if that helps

cannot bring a turbo laser however

[untold swallow]

two stormravens would be enough to transport I think everyone in the army not attached to a vehicle

save the warlord and the two lieutenants

they get to walk

Which

may be fitting

[floral herald]

Thawks aren’t really something you take as a model unless you’re playing more than 3000 point games

[thin ibex]

you can if you have a dream and compromise your army comp SIGNIFICANTLY

xD

i just like the idea of bringing one in a crusade

as like my primary form of heavy support

and running an otherwise completely infantry based army

as bad as that is

[naive abyss]

Why do you hurt me kirioth

[jaunty dawn]

thunderhawk themed carry case

[thin ibex]

oh that would be kinda sick

my army arrives in a thunderhawk

and i dont have to actually field one

or build the ancient kit for it

[jaunty dawn]

just a simple wooden thing or something

but with decks inside

for magnetised minis

[untold swallow]

Is there a BA character or hero that can just have two melee weapons?

I kinda wanna try making the Chapter Champ

[thin ibex]

Mmm, none come to mind immediately

[untold swallow]

Fugg

Part of me wants to make a dual-wielding model and go 'this is rules-wise Gabriel Seth I swear'

Cuz the blood rage shit fits her origin

[thin ibex]

tbh that works, a dual set of weapons can be expressed wit ha single weapon profile

[upper canopy]

Thunderhawk Fantasy

[untold swallow]

I decided on the Sanguinor instead lol

[ebon forge]

Would a Corpse Starch themed carry case be appropriate for an astra militarum army?

[bright dove]

yes

[untold swallow]

hey how did you get the list to display as just a list instead of the builder ui?

[thin ibex]

I would go to export list, pick Pretty

then to share I'd screenshot the upper portion

Export List will be at the top right 3 dots drop down

[untold swallow]

all right cool thank you!

I'm trying to figure out what to do with the last 175 pts

I may do a Bladeguard Vet Squad?

[thin ibex]

theyre a fun and effective melee specialist unit!

[thin ibex]

Ha HA! (theming specifically for Crusade, but STILL it kinda works

the scouts start on map as sneaky ahead bois, narratively

though incidentally the T hawk can only carry thirty people

so i guess they're not leaving either...

hummm

maybe i need to reconsider

maybe 1st company and bringing thirty more veteran units would work better...

or ditching the sky claws

would free up more space

but lose me some mobility

[bright dove]

I am getting a bit sad during my army planning. Cockatrices are too finacially irresponsible, but i want to use one.

50 bucks for only 120 points makes me sad.

[floral herald]

Clearly you need a Stormbird

[jaunty dawn]

storm bird and storm eagle are way too similar in naming

[thin ibex]

there we go

[untold swallow]

Do I even rly want the lieutenants…

[jaunty dawn]

considering their primary distinguishing feature is their size in relation to a thunderhawk

[untold swallow]

They’re not leading anything

[thin ibex]

the lieutenants with combi weapons are lone operatives

their main utility is designating objectives for value

rather than leading units

[thin ibex]

xD

[untold swallow]

Oh I thought they had the leader trait

[thin ibex]

normal lieutenants do yeah

but specifically the lieutenant with combi weapon profile is a lone operative

[untold swallow]

Ah

[jaunty dawn]

he's just a funky little guy

[thin ibex]

kinda pleased with this lol, 10 blood claws, 5 grey hunters, 5 scouts, 5 long fangs; pretty much the full spread for a force. Then another 5 characters

wolf guard shows up from space

interceptor runs support for T hawk

[untold swallow]

I may yeet a combi-lieutenant for a hero that can lead the bladeguards

[thin ibex]

ima try doin it with ultramarines

makes sense to me

[thin ibex]

The fact that storm ravens can carry Dreads and thunderhawks can't is annoying

[ebon forge]

because they know how to carry sneakly

[thin ibex]

incendentally its interesting that it does not descriminate between different dreadnought types

Imagine having the misfortune of being a normal heretic that Calgar decided was worth his time

From the comic "Marneus Calgar" by Kieron Gillen

[pulsar cairn]

[thin ibex]

"I cannot press these buttons, my hands are too big"

[pulsar cairn]

well i'll give him a pass since that's a machine made for normal humans

but can he at least operate space marine stuff

i imagine he has a problem with that too never seen hands as big as his

[upper canopy]

No he can't

he's wearing power fists

[thin ibex]

are power fists always on or is the power field more like a thunder hammer, where it turns on at the point of impact for even more impact

?

i somewhat figured its best use was power fielding the digits to let you squeeze and crush through like almost anything

[topaz elk]

I think the latter?

Not sure though

[floral herald]

I don't think the power field is always on but they're just huge and clumsy

[thin ibex]

i always figured slapping made more sense often times, over punching

or hammerfisting

giving the enemy the big explosive palm

[tired cairn]

🤔 why don't they make regular fist sized power fists

Power brass knuckles

[pastel rampart]

I figure slapping with a power fist would be akin to what happened to Mosquito Girl in One Punch Man.

https://tenor.com/view/mosquito-saitama-one-punch-man-anime-gif-12131761

[thin ibex]

i like th scaling more, generally, with imperial guard power fists

the space marine ones are pleasing in a comical way but generally come off as grossly impractical

[ebon forge]

Power fists I always found comical, the Power Claw at least fits on the orks

[upper canopy]

Because the power field would probably fry your arms

[thin ibex]

the orkish power claw is a scissor rather than like wolverine claws or finger claws like the space marines

and is also effectively a powered hydraulic cutter

[ebon forge]

I meant, fitting looks wise, vs the power fist looking comical

[naive abyss]

tbh marine ones looking big and silly is the point i feel lol

im fond othe one for the guard and lov as well

one being the most reasonably designed one ive seen the other being fun and goofy

[floral herald]

The guard ones are pretty huge too

[naive abyss]

the new one isnt i feel

which i the one im freferring to

[pulsar cairn]

why he naked

[floral herald]

I don't remember a small one

[naive abyss]

its bulky but id hesitate to call it huge

[thin ibex]

its big compared to his other hand right, but also it doesn't feel grossly out of proportion

[floral herald]

Ok hesitate I guess I'd still call that huge though

[thin ibex]

is hte thing

[ebon forge]

fair

[floral herald]

It's like a hulk foam hand

[naive abyss]

the lov one i like cuz of gribbly it is

[thin ibex]

i do also question the point of a power fist if it doesn't offer you the ability to utilize the weapon as a hand as well at times; like why not just make it a big powered block or club

[ebon forge]

So when when an Ultra Marine punches with it an Recording of Guilliman saying "For the Codex Astartes"

[floral herald]

This is the one I was thinking of and its I think a little bulkier mostly in the hands

[floral herald]

No its probably got some chaos champion saying "death to the false emperor" but really quiet because they let the battery run down so people couldn't hear that

[ebon forge]

HAH

[thin ibex]

heck, even this one is huge, but doesn't feel as proportionally wack to me

[floral herald]

Oh love the cut away piston fingers for that one

[thin ibex]

also, leave it to a power fist to make a catachan wear something that covers their tricep

[floral herald]

Yeah the studs are cool on that one

https://preview.redd.it/does-the-hearthkyn-salvagers-dozr-and-jump-pack-warrior-v0-c2fasag1c9mb1.jpg?width=441&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50e0ccda6dd576361adfddb63461864fe8a6104d

I actually thought you meant the power knucks this guy has which are I think the only really compact power fist type weapon I’ve seen

[thin ibex]

i just like

how he's like

"i brought straight hands to this battle"

"I wore an entire combat armor uniform, but im ready to punch out anythign that interrupts our salvage mission"

[ebon forge]

Dude over here is going against the horrors of the universe with his void-brass knuckles

[thin ibex]

like bro, you probably had the same access to a standard armament as everyone else and then said no

"If horrors of space interrupt our salvage mission, I can punch them, don't worry boss"

[ebon forge]

Hero over there

[thin ibex]

i have no idea how that doesn't sound stupid to everyone else on the team

[ebon forge]

They are confident enough on his skills, clearly

[floral herald]

These hads are good as fuck actually

[ebon forge]

Canon size, clearly /j

[naive abyss]

i like the knuckle dusters too for sure

[ebon forge]

See? My man know what he's doing, he's gonna play Punch Out against a Hive Lord and win

[naive abyss]

i feel in the context they were introduced it makes sense

a cqc for in a ship with tight spaces and etc

sorta like running interference for those with guns or more unwieldy weapons

[pulsar cairn]

hey unde

[soft willow]

Knux Smash is hella good.

[naive abyss]

i still really love the laser minigun too its a gread additional special weapon option to round out the warriors

[pulsar cairn]

lets switch heigths

that way you can be dorf

[naive abyss]

lol

[soft willow]

I'm annoyed that the Kill Team box basically replaces the Warriors box though.

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

its weird

[soft willow]

Since it's just an upgrade sprue on the warrior sprue.

[naive abyss]

its literally just teh warriors with more sprues

like im lowkey suspecting the reason were hearing so many rumors of the lov getting another killteam is beccause theyre gonna make the salvagers just the warriors box eventually

[ebon forge]

now you are making me want to play kill team again
how dare you

[pulsar cairn]

look at what the lads made

[naive abyss]

vibe