Warhammer and Such

[jaunty dawn]

so you can make two different champions

and then the issue is the autoguns are just in the cultists of the abyss kit

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[jaunty dawn]

and you get one (1) that's actually being aimed and used haha

[alpine quarry]

Act 1 of our dark heresy play ended

I think we killed at least 50 people and accidentally pinned it all on a random gang that i personally pissed off

[jaunty dawn]

you do get 10 different bodies in the melee cult box though which I hope I can fuck around with

get good at filling seams in muscly arms haha

sounds like you really heresied that dark!

[alpine quarry]

We were told to leave no witnesses but my party members deciding that it means that we need to line up random addicts in a drug den against a wall was kinda

[jaunty dawn]

oof

[alpine quarry]

To be fair we shot them first so idk why we did that

It does slightly get to me how much playing as the agents of the inquisition is just playing as the bad guys

[jaunty dawn]

yeah for sure

[alpine quarry]

Sniper rifle gaming was comical though

"oh no! watch out! theres a big armored servitor coming our way! be careful!"

random twink in a comically big hat:

https://tenor.com/view/gun-die-sayonara-power-robot-gif-17882755

I dont think i made a screenshot of that roll but i think i did around 24 damage

[bright dove]

I mean, to be fair. What good guys are there in 40k?

Do not say the Tau

Ethereals are shady af

[alpine quarry]

Craftworlders and exodites are often just mildly racist

[bright dove]

.>

[jaunty dawn]

grimdark means we just never get to meet them

[bright dove]

I would like to point to all the times that the Eldar went "Fuck it, we can sacrifice billions of non-Eldar lives to save, like, 20 guys."

[alpine quarry]

What i mean is, it doesnt hit as much until you are the secret police enforcing theocratic fascism

Degrees of badness xd

[jaunty dawn]

but there's probably a bunch of just regular ppl doing stuff

organising

[alpine quarry]

Rogue trader gaming is generally chill

[jaunty dawn]

without needing to be in a genestealer brood lol

[alpine quarry]

I think our party would be chill if it wasnt like

2 people with hatred (mutants)

2 mutants

[jaunty dawn]

lmao

when we played dh I played a sister novitiate and another person was a psyker seeking redemption

[alpine quarry]

And the mutants spend time being racist to eachother because one of them hides being mutated, and the other is a sanctioned psyker

Both spent time getting forbidden education

[floral herald]

The Imperium is happy to do this

[bright dove]

Sacrifice billions, yes.

[floral herald]

I think its kind of reasonable to be like "well they don't even value their own lives, who are we to disagree"

[bright dove]

And we rightfully call them evil to do that.

The fact that the Eldar willingly exploit this does not make them good, especially since they go "It's a lesser race, it's fine"

[alpine quarry]

We had a dialogue that went like

Psyker: At least I didn't waste time saving random mutants from a mob!

Me (hiding my tail): Remind me not to save you next time your head starts imploding, mutant

Truly, peak roleplay

[floral herald]

I don't think I've actually run into that justification in actual canon

Just like, fan statements and such

[bright dove]

It's implicit with how the Eldar view humanity.

[floral herald]

So they aren't like that

[bright dove]

Like, Mon'Keigh literally means Those Who Must Be Exterminated.

[floral herald]

No it doesn't?

[bright dove]

It doesn't get much worse than saying an entire species deserves to be exterminated.

[floral herald]

That's what imperial scholars a notably unbiased bunch say it means

[alpine quarry]

Isnt it just a wordplay at monkey with no particular explanation

[floral herald]

There's a surmised meaning from imperial scholars in the 3rd ed eldar codex

But mostly its a pun name yeah

[bright dove]

no, there's actual history behind it Eule.

[alpine quarry]

It wouldnt make much sense for it to mean that

And by much sense i mean none

[bright dove]

Noooo, GW wanted the haha monkey joke.

[alpine quarry]

The way eldar interact with humans does not imply "you must all be exterminated" lmao

[bright dove]

But also itis the name of a race that the Eldar exterminated as well.

[floral herald]

Well, in legend and by 1 hero

[alpine quarry]

Its just general "you are irrelevant and i am infinitely better"

Thats it. Thats the attitude.

[floral herald]

This is also true - outside of Biel-Tan the CWE rarely initiate hostilities with the Imperium

[bright dove]

That's because outside of Biel-Tan most Craftworlders are desperately trying not to die out completely.

[alpine quarry]

But when i say "good guys" i mean that all things considered life and society on craftworlds is okay-ish?

[bright dove]

And go "We really can't afford a war"

[floral herald]

No its because Biel-Tan are fashy eldar supremacists

Well beyond the normal snideness

[bright dove]

Also, I wouldn't call society on Craftworlds Okay-ish.

It's, uh.

[naive abyss]

tbh the LOV are in the running for least shitty imo

[jaunty dawn]

I think lov are pretty much in the same boat as tau

[alpine quarry]

While they are still racist, they are not the "i am going to shoot you in the head for existing" kind, which is lowbar ngl

[alpine quarry]

Me, trying to blow you up with my mind:

[bright dove]

But yeah, Craftworld society is kind of in a state of necessary cultism.

[naive abyss]

i mean in fairness the LOV dont have like a de facto ruling class

[bright dove]

Unless you count the AI.

[naive abyss]

like leaders are elected as needed

im not counting an AI which has no say in the day to day

[bright dove]

You know, fair in that regard.

[naive abyss]

and is more the equivalent of sapient google with alzheimers

[alpine quarry]

I do think that even before being retconned to be lov demiurgs kinda were good, just very anti environmental lmao

[floral herald]

It's pretty idyllic except for the really pretty well justified self repression

[jaunty dawn]

I don't really feel like it's retcon

[naive abyss]

yeah its more just they took all the old tidbits and mixed them together with squats

[floral herald]

The Demiurg didn't really have a lot of lore so it was hard to say

[jaunty dawn]

but I guess it technically fits the definition I think

[naive abyss]

well the demiurg are canonically the LOV now

[bright dove]

I wouldn't call Craftworld life idyllic, especially since all the Eldar PoV stuff I've read talks about how they constantly have to live in mostly empty worldships, watching the people around them slowly die over the course of their lifetimes.

[alpine quarry]

They had like 2 lines of lore, yep

[bright dove]

There's a Deathwatch novel of all things that gets into how depressing Craftworld society can be.

[jaunty dawn]

but usually retcon in 40k means like. an established fact is made no longer canon

[naive abyss]

its just the league that trades with the tau

[jaunty dawn]

like the walk back on the indomitus crusade

[floral herald]

Yeah I'm talking about before the LoV existed when the Demiurg lore was mostly tucked away in BFG supplements

[naive abyss]

mm mm fair

it was definitely not substantial in anyway

[alpine quarry]

New lore does contradict the old one

[jaunty dawn]

does it?

[floral herald]

Generally speaking in case of lore contradiction in 40k both are canon unless there's something specific removing the old one

[alpine quarry]

Demiurgs were explicitly described as an alien species, explicitly were in contact with the imperium and were also responsible for inventing a lot of tau weaponry

[naive abyss]

that doestn contradict LOV lore

[jaunty dawn]

the lov are transhuman aliens

[naive abyss]

thats part of LOV lore

[jaunty dawn]

as far as the imperum and the tau are concerned

I think

[naive abyss]

well the imperium debaters about it

[dense sedge]

Cultists are the best part of the csm line ironically

[alpine quarry]

That was kinda changed to "well we thought they were full on aliens, but they are actually just transhumans"

[naive abyss]

some call them xenos other abhumans

[jaunty dawn]

the tau at least like. it's all the same yknow

[naive abyss]

i mean no its like debated

[bright dove]

And that Deathwatch book has Eldrad sending the Shining Spear exarch from his Craftworld into the jaws of the Dark Eldar so she would A). Become an Avatar of Khaine in the middle of a lot of Drukhari plans and B). So that Shining Spear recruitment would slow down for a long time so the Craftworld would be prepared for coming things and not be slowed down by any unnecessary morality.

[floral herald]

There's internal debate in the IoM if they're aliens (bad) or abhumans 9worse)

[naive abyss]

and for the kins part they see no reall connection to humanity really

[jaunty dawn]

yeah like

[bright dove]

The Kin don't really see humanity as being like them, and for good reason.

[naive abyss]

they are kin and that is all that matters

[jaunty dawn]

imperial kin get seen more as abhumans

[alpine quarry]

????
Abhumans is just third class citizen, not worse than a literal "kill on sight"

[naive abyss]

for kin are kin

[floral herald]

Only for registered good abhumans

[jaunty dawn]

fringe traders probably see them as xenos they're allowed to trade with

and for the most part those two groups never meet anyway

[alpine quarry]

Abhuman is by definition registered

[naive abyss]

and there being whole empires of abhumans? UNTHINKABLE lol

[alpine quarry]

Unless you mean registered as in individuals

[floral herald]

I mean by clade

[bright dove]

Yeah, the Leagues are very much a direct problem for Imperial Doctrine.

[alpine quarry]

Squats are very much registered

[jaunty dawn]

like I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that like. with the lov seeing them as xenos is in a way less threatening

[bright dove]

What's a squat? 😛

[floral herald]

There's a short story where a crashed imperial explorer is rescued on a high-gravity planet by centauroid genetically engineered local humans and does them a favor when he leaves by falsifying them as minor xenos instead of abhumans because it puts them on a much much longer and lower priority extirminate list

[jaunty dawn]

because an alternative human empire is a bigger threat

[naive abyss]

especially one so not shitty generally speaking lol

[bright dove]

The Imperium basically has to take a look at the Leagues

[naive abyss]

it even has ai

[jaunty dawn]

while xenos can be relatively peaceful negotations, even if its from a position of imperial superiority

[bright dove]

And go "It's just not worth it"

[naive abyss]

and healthcare!

[floral herald]

Certain stable and useful kinds of abhumans are tolerated but generally they're like a kind of mutant, and to be abhorred

[alpine quarry]

Ill be real this makes 0 sense and not all writings should be considered canon

[bright dove]

God no, that makes great sense.

[naive abyss]

xenos minoris are sometimes ignored

[jaunty dawn]

you can have a stable relationship with like a xenos empire that's not worth killing

[floral herald]

(Also the Imperium plausibly does not know that Ironhelm Squats on Necromunda and LoV are the same sort of thing)

[naive abyss]

cuz they just arent worth the effort

[jaunty dawn]

but all of humanity belongs to the empire

[bright dove]

Like, the Imperium is hysterically more willing to tolerate xenos

Than they are abhumans.

[jaunty dawn]

succeding is one of the greatest crimes you can commit

[naive abyss]

like humans being able to exist without the IOMs nonsense is a philosophical existential threat for them lol

[bright dove]

See things like the Jokaro.

[floral herald]

And the human form is sacred so especially abhumans which deviate from the human body plan (in this case by being four legged) are real bad

[bright dove]

Monkey men who make small weapons are so much more OK in Imperial doctrine than a dude who has thicker than average skin.

[floral herald]

Though most of this is covered by the Imperium being extraordinarily hypocritical in all things

[jaunty dawn]

like the imperium views the xenos as inferior, and if the xenos isn't overly resisting that they're willing to exploit them

[naive abyss]

it isnt helped by the fact the LOV have like rebuffed crusades before

[bright dove]

Like, until the Tau started doing things in a big way, the Imperium just... Didn't give two shits about them.

[naive abyss]

like its not a human adjacent group thats just surviving its thriving and able to challenge imperial power

[bright dove]

Like, it would have been trivial to drop some folks on them in the tribal stage if they wanted to.

[alpine quarry]

Abhumans are per definition registered, stable clades of mutation that are PROBABLY not caused by chaos taint
They are not called abhumans if they are not registered
The threat here would be "those are humans outside of imperium", not "they are abhumans, and not xenos"

I think its more of a definitional stumble

[jaunty dawn]

yeah abhumans are accepted (but inferior) while mutants are scorned

[bright dove]

They got registered as xenos instead of abhumans because that safer for them, yes.

And calling abhumans accepted is...

Not really corrected.

They're tolerated

[jaunty dawn]

mutants aren't

[alpine quarry]

Imperium barely torelates just humans

[bright dove]

Ah, but the difference is entirely in labels.

[jaunty dawn]

well yeah

that's kinda the crux of this whole discussion lol

[naive abyss]

tbh i appreciate that this element of lov lore is like "complicated"

its fun

[alpine quarry]

Its really not that relevant
But also mutants are often also tolerated

[bright dove]

The line between Mutant and Abhuman is entirely based on if the Imperium finds you useful or not.

[jaunty dawn]

kin are an entity that is abhuman human mutant xenos witch all at once

[bright dove]

And that's without getting into the Kin who happen to be not flesh and blood.

[floral herald]

Or potentially decides that it must have been some taint, like with beastmen

[past sphinx]

deathwatch propaganda

[alpine quarry]

I will be honest i have been snapping anything i know about votanns from my mind subconsciously

They just dont register as a thing for whatever reason

They seem very relevant and strong but i dont think they do anything??

[naive abyss]

i lovem

[floral herald]

LoV don't really have much of a footprint outside of their codex

[naive abyss]

funky space dorfs

[bright dove]

Humans that turned into centaurs and are occupying a perfectly good world that should be owned by proper humans? Bad, get rid of them.

Xenos occupying a place but not really doing anything? Not really worth the time or effort.

[naive abyss]

plasma axes kick ass

[junior summit]

yeah they don't get outside their own media much

[floral herald]

And codexes are not really a great source of lore for broad stuff cause they have to establish themselves

[naive abyss]

in fairness they are a very new faction

[bright dove]

Yep

[alpine quarry]

Like they kinda just got released and are hanging out, but they seem to be hyped up as some big force

[jaunty dawn]

they showed up a little in arks of omen

[bright dove]

As time goes on, they'll get into more places.

People do like 'em.

[floral herald]

And to get other stuff you gotta dig out really old sources like Inquisition War for details, and I'm not sure how much of Inquisition War should be taken seriously in the modern world

[jaunty dawn]

they're in the galactic core and are being forced out(?)

[bright dove]

All of it obviously. 😄

[alpine quarry]

I dont :<

[bright dove]

Well, they kind of have to come out.

[floral herald]

(The part about the Inquisition being suspicious of planets which are too nice should stay IMO)

[naive abyss]

the big warp storms are forcing them out

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

[naive abyss]

at least to a degree

[jaunty dawn]

that old chestnut

[alpine quarry]

I wish they had more going for them aesthetically

[bright dove]

They sorta were sticking around in there, happy with their privacy.

[naive abyss]

i mean tbh they have quite a big going on imo

like they are very visually distinct

[bright dove]

Then the galaxy split in half and they went "Whazzhuh?"

[naive abyss]

i lke it being a space scale equivallent of dwarfs in thier mountain holds

[floral herald]

I think the LoV suffer some from their default studio paintjob being sort of boring

[naive abyss]

and now they are dealing with a time of woes tm

[bright dove]

Yep

[naive abyss]

yeah ill second that

[bright dove]

"What the fuck are you young'uns doing out here?!"

[jaunty dawn]

they benefit a lot from more military modeling or grimdark style

[floral herald]

The orange for the KT is much better IMO

[alpine quarry]

Ngl i agree
A lov model was the first one i ever painted and i think they benefit so much from looking more industrial and grimey than the clean plastic whites

[bright dove]

KIN!

I love the League having robots

[bright dove]

Full on AI folks who didn't suffer from the Men of Iron problem that humanity caused.

[soft willow]

Kin posting?

[brittle salmon]

100% agree

[jaunty dawn]

even the white can look really good

[bright dove]

KIN KIN KIN

Look at those stubby lil guys.

[soft willow]

https://tenor.com/view/squats-dance-warhammer-squat-votann-gif-26480291

[floral herald]

Yeah I forget the name of the faction with the off white but I think it can pop better with more greebling with the paint or even just making them dirty

But the studio paint job is just kind of boring

[soft willow]

Greater Thurian League

[bright dove]

A little bit of dirt goes a long way.

[jaunty dawn]

'eavy metal style is like clean, edge highlight focused

[naive abyss]

my current planned scheme i did up in impcat btw

[soft willow]

I like it, but also it’s not exciting yeah.

[jaunty dawn]

which is fine but doesn't bring out the best in this range

[alpine quarry]

I guess another part with me disliking kin is it being the old debackle of new stufd being introduced
Idk
It just feels a bit cheap when we are told that ai is so scarry ooooh ooooh nobody has it now oooh

And lov just casually have it anyway

[naive abyss]

i mean

[bright dove]

Well, they're not even the first to come in with AI

[naive abyss]

AI scary is cuz of IOM doctrine

[floral herald]

A lot of the people who don't have AI are probably lying

[bright dove]

There's the Tau right there.

[naive abyss]

and tbh im glad they brough over dorfs have tech like humans but better tm

[alpine quarry]

I feel like an old fart because thars not a legit reason to dislike them

[bright dove]

And there's way too many eceentric self-driving land-raiders and the like for the Imperium to rightfully say they don't have AI

[jaunty dawn]

fun fact the like. big old fall in the dark age of technology? war mostly fought between men of iron

[alpine quarry]

It just feels cheap ish

[jaunty dawn]

in differing factions

[bright dove]

And Cawl with his "I just openly flaunted the whole AI thing, and I dare anyone to call me out on it."

[naive abyss]

i mean ill be real it just reads like grog complaints over new thing bad to a degree

same thing with how people belly ached over tau when they came out

and still do to a degree

[alpine quarry]

I hate how i cant like lov and I dont have any reason i can point to outside of aesthetics.

[bright dove]

To put this forward

[jaunty dawn]

the tabletoptactics army looks really nice

[bright dove]

Not liking an army because of looks is valid.

[alpine quarry]

I want to like em, i love dorfs :<

[naive abyss]

i mean you dont have to like them but you also dont need to say they are "cheap"

[floral herald]

I'm not a huge fan of them in their current incarnation because I was expecting them to sort of be characterized as the dying light of the reasoned Age of Technology in the 41st millenium and what we got in the codex was a little of that but a lot more not really dying and also we're avaricious assholes which is not really what I had expected

[naive abyss]

yeah their scheme is fun

[floral herald]

But also its codex writing so its not always the most balanced

In terms of tone

[bright dove]

LoV is the weirdest mix of socialism and capitalism I've seen.

[alpine quarry]

I think the asshole bit is fine actually

[naive abyss]

they are hyper materialist socialists lol

[alpine quarry]

The whole bit of fleets and such is really cool

[jaunty dawn]

socialism in one country-ass

[naive abyss]

lol

like in a way they are the actual space soviet union

if youre in youre in

if youre not give us minerals

[bright dove]

Basically.

[naive abyss]

lov be like

[alpine quarry]

Its probably the parasocial relationship with the setting and me really wanting to like them but being unable to T.T

[naive abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/craving-that-minera-crave-that-minerall-mineral-craving-goat-gif-5261529

[past sphinx]

Now I want a tremendously mustached dorf

[floral herald]

I'm not strictly opposed to it but it isn't what I expected

[bright dove]

I think it's neat.

[jaunty dawn]

and henry cultofpaint's take is gorgeous

[naive abyss]

tbh in allot of ways it feels like oldhammer dorfs cleverly translated to space

[bright dove]

Making factions too nice isn't what I'd want for 40k

It's why I didn't like the Tau for the longest time.

[naive abyss]

i appreciate the subtle ways in which the lov are grim and fucked up

[floral herald]

I think the part which bugs me is how it seems that the codex has focused on their ruthless acquisionism and pragmatism to the expense of them being mournful hidebound traditionalists remembering a better age and keeping grudges

Though given their uh, army rule that's clearly meant to be a part of their thing

[bright dove]

Well, they do have to be dwarves.

[floral herald]

But the codex kind of brushes over it which feels weird

[naive abyss]

i mean thats literally the like fence oldhammer dwarfs lived on

[naive abyss]

quality grime

[bright dove]

Those are some nice models there.

[floral herald]

So its less "I don't like the faction" and more "I think the codex focused too much on the wrong parts"

[naive abyss]

mm mm

we def need more lore

i crave it

[bright dove]

Which does happen in early codex stuff.

[jaunty dawn]

I like henry cultofpaint

[floral herald]

Basically they need more writing and hopefully the 10e book evens them out more

[bright dove]

Like the Tau.

[naive abyss]

im glad orks still call them stunties

[alpine quarry]

I think that leaning on avarice is a more interesting take on dwarves than "they are traditionalists"

Thars why i always liked chaos dwarves more xd

[floral herald]

Yeah I've been through this song and dance with new factions getting weird initial lore spotlights before

[bright dove]

The Tau needed to have some edge added to them after their initial lore.

[naive abyss]

also ill very much grant im a biased voice on this

[floral herald]

The 5e Necron Book was also weird cause I think they felt the need to bring up how characterful the Lords were now more than was needed

[naive abyss]

i literally have dwarf simp as part of my nickname here on server lol

[bright dove]

The Nids have gotten steadily more interesting with time.

Without getting any actual individuals, which is a mean trick.

[naive abyss]

newcrons definitely have more recently found their footing vibe whise i feel

and im glad to see it

[floral herald]

Definitely

[alpine quarry]

Chaos dwarves were both comically avaricious, but also kept the dwarfiness and honor to them. I adore the infernal guard vs slayers dynamic they had in fb

[bright dove]

While in some ways I'm slightly bitter about what happened to the C'Tan, I do like Newcrons.

[naive abyss]

tbh i like that part at least

[floral herald]

I think the new stuff with the C'tan works a lot better for the setting and honestly the models

[alpine quarry]

Necrons unironically are getting better every time they get updated ngl

[naive abyss]

i did like mindless space skeleton robots but i can appreciate "we broke our gods what are you to us you primitive"

[floral herald]

It was weird how powerful they were in lore vs how strong their models were

[bright dove]

This is entirely because of the Nightbringer novel tbh.

[naive abyss]

it also means they overlap less with chaos

[floral herald]

It's like shooting Slaanesh off the table with Basilisks kinda thing

[bright dove]

Give me enough basilisks and by god

[floral herald]

So making them shards helped a lot on that front

[naive abyss]

also it lets necrons sometimes have the hardest quotes ever

[floral herald]

(I'm reminded of that lore snippet where the Tau thought they killed Slaanesh after destroying a cult and killing the daemon leading it)

[bright dove]

Ahhh, poor sweet Tau

It's things like that that made me like them more.

[floral herald]

The Tau are at their best when they mix being real unaware of the state and history of the galaxy with all the firepower

[naive abyss]

this reminds me that i love how LOV see the warp and tyranids

[floral herald]

Like when they tried to engage in diplomacy with DE raiders, got some of their diplomats back in parts and shot them up real bad

[naive abyss]

or when craftworld eldar laughed in their faces multiple times when asking them to join up

[bright dove]

"OK, we tried the nice guy tact. Time for the Fire Caste."

[naive abyss]

out here like mircosoft trying to buy nintendo

[alpine quarry]

Tau are honestly great

[bright dove]

Tau are great now

The start was rough

[floral herald]

Eh, I was there for that and I think it was fine

Though people were extremely fucking salty about FoF

[alpine quarry]

I kinda wish we got more stuff for them cooked up though. Because they got stuff thats cooking but is seemingly paused

[bright dove]

Oh, my dislike has irrational roots.

Khorne army.

[naive abyss]

lol

[bright dove]

It's entirely based on pettiness and FIGHT ME

[alpine quarry]

As for the rules ngl i really dont care about big 40k

Maybe if they one day move away from full army turns

Because by god i am not sitting for 40 minutes doing nothing but getting shot at, only to subject my opponent to the same

[floral herald]

If memes had been a thing back then this probably would have existed

[jaunty dawn]

taros campaign was like the first real imperial armour book tbf

2005

[bright dove]

I don't mind the army by army turn.

[jaunty dawn]

oh that was 4 years after codex tau lol

[bright dove]

Because good god, I would not like having to adjust my strategy so much on the fly.

I'm already bad at tactics

[dense sedge]

Navigators are the coolest abhumams, they are cool

[alpine quarry]

I didnt mind it a few years ago but i think my adhd got worse over time ngl
Either that or i played more wargames and decided that i prefer one way over the other

[jaunty dawn]

if I'm playing a game for three hours I want breaks yeah

or as I've mentioned before I physically need breaks haha

[bright dove]

And splitting up into army turns gives breaks.

Where all I need to do is react.

[alpine quarry]

I still dont get why they did numbers in new killteam as geometric shapes

[proud wing]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

it also feels like one of the only games still sticking with it and I'd rather have variety

[proud wing]

i guess it's because the ruler thing that comes with the box just has each side labeled with a shape

[jaunty dawn]

I think it must've been a plan that never came around or something

[proud wing]

but just labelling by numbers would work just as well

[jaunty dawn]

like having an option to play with centimeters for certain markets

[alpine quarry]

I could understand it if there was like
Logic to it

[jaunty dawn]

or having textless profile cards like warcry

[alpine quarry]

Like shape has 4 corners so its 4 inches

[jaunty dawn]

but uh. they didn't really do those things

I like how wahapedia renders it

[alpine quarry]

Color to indicate something specific on maybe like
Is the shape extending up

Then itll actually be useful

But as it is, it confused me so many times

[jaunty dawn]

and wahapedia is like the only place I read kill team rules so

kinda forget there's physical books without little numbers inside every shape

[white mural]

Oh nice I ran dark heresy once it’s fun

[alpine quarry]

Like we kept thinking that a triangle is a three

But its just 1

And a circle is 2

UGHHH

[floral herald]

There is some logic with it because the game doesn't respect units besides the made up ones

You can't move a model .5 inches and then move it 5.5 inches if it had a 6" move for example

[white mural]

I ran a game where all the players where roadies for a chaos band but like a litteral band

[floral herald]

But it would probably easier to just say that measurement is by integers

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah in general I assume it's an artefact of its development that got past the point of no return

[alpine quarry]

That sounds more like black crusade than heresy xd

[jaunty dawn]

because rules writing is at pretty much bottom priority in a coordinated release

[white mural]

It was black crusade and dark heresy I think I just let them create a character using either

[proud wing]

so thinking about it, it does make sense that they want the movement to be broken into distinct "chunks"

[white mural]

They are mostly comparable and I was not worried about bocen

Balance

[proud wing]

since with complex terrain it would be very finnicky if you could like, move 1.5 inches one way, 2.4 inches another way, 3.1 inches another way to get around corners

[white mural]

Even made rules for a character wio wanted to be a primaris

[alpine quarry]

Makes sense, although it is worth noting that black crusade characters are much stronger than dhs

[proud wing]

and 2" is a reasonable unit for movement

[white mural]

It really didn’t matter since it was a goofy Champaign

Campaign

[jaunty dawn]

oh you can move an inch in kill team

[proud wing]

o

[jaunty dawn]

the only time you round to two inches is vertically

[proud wing]

i have been playing slightly wrong

[alpine quarry]

In our dark heresy we were just acolytes though, employed by an inq in ordo sepulchra
My character was an exorcised, who spent their life being conditioned to this role in a special academy maintained by anothee inquisitor

I wanted them to be just a nerd but with techpriest doing this role better i am leaning on going full in on daemonhunter

[white mural]

The nurgle cultist was a drummer and at the end of every show he would roll to vomit and have a chance of exploding. After they hand broke up for a act 2 band break up trope he rolled and exploded and unfortunately we never started act 3 as the pandemic then started

[jaunty dawn]

damn I wonder if that means at one point kill team had sillhouettes and they were 1" by 2"

not sure if that makese sense

[floral herald]

Yeah I could see that for sure

[white mural]

That sounds dope

[alpine quarry]

Our party is made out of

1. a gay noble from a feudal world that was shipped off into astra militarum to get rid of him
2. a racist guardsman idk
3. a very by the book tech priest that seems to be constantly in contact with someone else
4. a freshman psyker girl that seems to be very loyal to the creed except when she isnt
5. yours truly as forbidden lore expert, who thinks that they are blessed by the emperor because they got saved by a character from black crusade

character from black crusade

Apohelios was a cult leader trying to manipulate people into worshipping him in order to achieve apotheosis without getting enslaved to the gods

He kinda both succeded and failed

In the end his brain was scrambled really hard by magic and the inquisition, so he ended up believing in his godhood

[white mural]

That first one is funny because in my group we generally have to specify when a character is straight

[alpine quarry]

With his cult becoming a semi-canon part of a local credo as a cult of a saint, its hard to say if apohelios at this point isnt basically one

This comes around in my dark heresy characters backstory, as apohelios with their mechanical body, wings of fire and 90 willpower helps local acolytes banish a demon from then child Ventrix, only to vanish

So my character is convinced that the emperor personally came down in a shower of light and saved them from demons

I think despite being the most mutated, i am also playing the most religious character in the group

[white mural]

That’s really neat

[alpine quarry]

I think that our psyker is straight, ventrix and techpriest are ace though

Our guardguy is just racist. Thats both his sexuality and gender.

[white mural]

Lmao

[alpine quarry]

Heres our group in order xd

[white mural]

Oooo I love the pixel art

Did you make those?

[alpine quarry]

And the VERRYY old drawing of the character from 2 years ago when i first came up with them

[alpine quarry]

Yep
I make pixel tokens like that whenever i play
Made some for dnd too xd

[white mural]

That’s really dope you are a good artist

[alpine quarry]

I want to redo this one tbh

It is extremely funny that everybody else is like "my weapon is this laspistol"
"my weapon is a revolver and a chainsword"

And my backgrounds for whatever reason are just like

Heres my

Chainsword

Stub revolver

Shotgun

And a sniper rifle

I ended up arming the whole team witg my starter gear

[mental birch]

The greater good is just white man's burden

[alpine quarry]

Guh

[thin ibex]

It's undiguised manifest destiny

[white mural]

I mean that’s a really funny way of putting it but yeah

[alpine quarry]

You cant just start a conversation like that, we just got here

[thin ibex]

I'm here for it

[alpine quarry]

xd

[thin ibex]

Helps with push back against "Tau are the only good faction" stuff xD

I love me some tau, but they ain't good

[alpine quarry]

Maynarkh are the only good guys actually

"we are infected with a virus that makes us suffer and kill! mommy mother of oblivion, what shall we do?"

"kill"

"guh?"

"if you are too busy killing, you dont think as much about your lungs not existing"

Dealing with dysphoria via omnicide circa m41

[mental birch]

The Tau were never good, you were just illiterate, in this essay I will.

:p

[mental birch]

I'm just being very mildly annoyed at people saying the Tau were retconned to be evil

[white mural]

What’chu mean Manifest Destiny Good and the Greater Good is just manifest destiny so Tau are written as good /s

[upper canopy]

The Tau were retconned to be explicitly evil and dumb instead of having nuance and interpretation

[thin ibex]

Eh I personally disagree, a hell of a lot of the traits people point at were there from the beginning imo

[white mural]

tbf i didnt know about warhammer till 2015 when i was in highschool

so i have no clue what tau where like till aout then

[solemn gull]

Tbh all those imperials would gladly bludgeon an eldar to death

And the eldar afterlife is MEGA-UNFUN

[thin ibex]

Hey people, what is age of Sigmar stormbringer

[floral herald]

Some of the mind controll stuff and the weirdly common lore twists about how they actually suck are egregious yeah

[thin ibex]

Reason I ask is because I saw an add that a bundle that comes with clippers and glue and some other stuff

[upper canopy]

It's a magazine

[thin ibex]

Ohhh ok

Like white dwarf I guess?

[upper canopy]

Kinda

from what I can tell it's mostly just painting guides

[proud wing]

wait a minute

alpha legion marines are colored aquamarine

aquamarine

coincidence???

[solemn gull]

Alpha legion psykers travelled across reality to name the colour in our world

[desert jay]

Do I have news for you

[proud wing]

oh my god

[soft willow]

The only GW color that's actually named a real color name.

[proud wing]

how deep does it go

[naive abyss]

?

[proud wing]

it's another color that was named after a warhammer faction

[dense sedge]

rogue trader is pretty messy but still pretty good

having access to a setting with over 30 years of lore and getting fleshed out also helps a lot

[mental birch]

I'm like 90% sure the people who complained tau were too positive thought colonialism was good

[glossy vapor]

I could have sworn i saw promotional material of a new model that looked like leagues of votann, but i cant find it anywhere.

It was a big tracked crawler, cylindircal hull with a domed cockpit (i think its called a cupola) at the front, with 2 outriggers on either side that had tank tracks at the end.

am i halucinating.

[desert jay]

It's a Necromunda model

The "Skalvian Explorator" for the Ironhead Squat Prospectors

[glossy vapor]

aah

thanks

so what is necromunda? i think i vuagely get the setting, but is it like 40k sized games or is it inbetween 40k and kill team?

[jaunty dawn]

kill team sized

but with completely separate factions/models

apart from like cultists and gsc I guess

[glossy vapor]

how do vehicle models like the aformentioned explorer play into it?

[mental birch]

Right now the necromunda campaign is like in

The outer wastes

So mad max style warfare with vehicles @glossy vapor

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I guess that would technically fall under in between

but yeah when you're fighting in the ash wastes you can take vehicles and mounts

but your number of people doesn't increase a huge amount

[thin ibex]

do the vehicles amount to like moving terrain pretty much? cause as i understand, base necromunda interacts a lot with terrain and verticality?

[jaunty dawn]

uh no they're units

you can stand on them

but if you're not on a transport bed you have to pass an initiative check to stay on

their main role is that you can move and shoot heavy weapons

and they move 1.5x their move characteristic when they do

but the downside is they can't usually get off the floor level

they also can have much heigher toughness than other stuff

tbh I think as far as rules go necromunda's terrain interaction is a little overstated. There is definitely the expectation of using a lot of it though, but that's as much a community tradition as anything else

one way the vehicles also interact with terrain is they can crash into it to remove certain types haha

[junior robin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/10/the-advent-engine-10th-december-2023/

this is a tricky one. 🤔

[pastel rampart]

Oh I recognize those fingers

https://tenor.com/view/mac-and-me-run-alien-gif-8881734

[junior robin]

feels like either undead of dark eldar

[floral herald]

I’m probably wrong but my first thought was extra long tyranid spore chimney

[unreal cosmos]

My best bet is ossiarchs

[pulsar cairn]

corsairs best elves

[spice flicker]

With a ranged officer build in rogue trader should I go with commissar or astra militarum officer for my origin?

[pulsar cairn]

nobody likes commissars

go with that

[spice flicker]

Or should I do noble?

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1733799213090140182

[naive abyss]

vibe

https://www.deviantart.com/eliphusz/art/Female-Black-Templar-1000822279

[naive abyss]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy1D9VbKLx3/

llera.hugo

⛏️🪐

Instagram

man i really hope we get a new plastic take on this for old world

it kicks ass

[jaunty dawn]

polar bear

armoured bear type stuff would be so awesome

[naive abyss]

ye

[jaunty dawn]

panserbjorn

[naive abyss]

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS8w9TAxD58&ab_channel=ThePaintingCoach

[cinder wraith]

lethis time

[white mural]

What do y’all think are the best brood brothers to get for a Genestealer cult

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/10/sunday-preview-kill-team-salvation-stalks-into-view/?utm_source=sm&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundaypreview10/12/23

This is a cool map even if I'm less excited about the teams

I'm curious how they'll play but not having special models is a little :/

Scouts are great for KT and I'm hoping for middleweight space marines

New map is cool and refreshingly easy to poorhammer haha

[south axle]

The best thing about the kits is that they are refreshes of some very old model

The current available Striking Scorpions are from '06 and in finecast

[floral herald]

Oh yeah I'm glad there's new Striking Scorps they really needed new models

New scouts also also cool

[pine matrix]

Deathstrike Missle

[floral herald]

I'm just a little disappointed they don't even seem to have specialist upgrade sprues for KT

[south axle]

You mean like the Tau Pathfinders and SM Phobos teams?

[floral herald]

Or the Legionaries

I actually really dig the structure of the aspect warriors KT though its like the epitomy of a multi-box KT

(Fireteam based with at least 3 Aspects represented)

[south axle]

Kinda wished they moved through with refreshes a bit quicker

[tired cairn]

An 88 page book for rules and lore for two teams seems a bit excessive

It's more than half the size of the core rules!

[floral herald]

About 30 pages of it is probably missions/dataslates

[south axle]

Some of it is probs new terrain rules

[floral herald]

I've got the Chalnath book and its ~40 pages of fluff including fun little name generators and microfictions about 30 pages of rules, and about 30 pages of scenarios and reference material

[south axle]

So 34+ pages of fluff in the Salvation book then

[floral herald]

This sort of thing is fun though

[pulsar cairn]

did eldar come up with chain swords first?

[south axle]

Probs

[pulsar cairn]

or did they look at us and think "i can do better"

[south axle]

Typical Imperials to copy others and claim it as their own

[pulsar cairn]

i see

i usually hear the eldar are petty so i thought they were capable of that too

[floral herald]

This weirdly specific old book says its plausible the Eldar invented them

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Munitorum:_Chainsword_(Background_Book)

Like many examples of human invention, the chainsword’s many variants seem to have their roots in the shrouded heresies of the Dark Age of Technology. Accordingly, it saw consistent use in the armoured fists of techno-barbarians during the Age of Strife, and among the Emperor’s own armies during his Thunder Warriors’ brutal conquest of Terra. But chainswords have been wielded by inhuman hands for aeons. Several xenos races have borne such blades into battle even in the ages where Mankind could only look up to the stars with spears in their filthy hands. Tech-Priest foundry masters have speculated, down the centuries, that it is simply a natural evolution of the sword’s design: from bronze to iron; from iron to steel; from steel to chain-teeth; and from chain-teeth to a weapon wreathed in an energy field - such as the Imperial power sword. But doubt remains. More than one Martian magos has devoted their life’s work to researching the primeval origins of chainweapons; mostly likely as an inspiration stolen from an alien race, in a war that may never be remembered. If this theorem ever bears fruit, it is distinctly possible that the galaxy’s first wielders of chainswords were jade-clad warriors of the ancient Eldar

[pine matrix]

"Invasion Cathedrum" dropping a fucking cathedral from orbit??

And I thought drop pods were pretty cool

[floral herald]

Back right yeah

[tired cairn]

Given how the 40k universe works, convergent evolution of chainswords isn't impossible

Though I guess that would be against the Machine Cult dogma lol

[floral herald]

Yeah honestly, and eldar and humans are are pretty similarly shaped biologically (this is probably heresy to admit)

[still warren]

Both probably designed to kill orks as well?

[upper canopy]

I mean

Striking Scorpions predate the Imperium

So unless they're Dark Age

[white mural]

The chainsaw is just a good design for cutting stuff

Generally not living stuff

But rule of cool it is

[floral herald]

chainswords also predate the imperium

[proud wing]

I mean, the core technology behind chainswords exists all the way back here in 2K

they just have more power and different-shaped hilts in 40K compared to the chainsaws we have now

[thin ibex]

You know, Deathstrike has amazing potential, narratively, for gsc army lists lol

"We stole this missile"

Also on the topic of chainsword, it's a bit funny that the design has borne next to no optimization for the striking scorpions for eons. You'd think each one wielded by an aspect warrior would be a bespoke piece of craftsmanship and a work of art all its own

Meanwhile imperial forges craft, every so often, distinctly superior chainswords, albeit also artisan works

[desert jay]

Eldar should have chainsabers instead, make them curved

[tired cairn]

chain rapiers

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XgvAYl

[proud wing]

but then it wouldn't be possible for the chain to be taut

[desert jay]

The functional outside curve is taut just fine, the inside isn't visible and gets to run on space elf magic

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/18fghoo/the_chad_cthonian_berserk_vs_the_virgin_custodian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theunforgiven/comments/18es14u/my_first_captain/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[sinful merlin]

they're lacking a bit on big heavy support so yeah tanks like a leman russ are a safe bet

[white mural]

Thankies

Yeah for the most part it seems like everyone reccomend imperial vehicles

[sinful merlin]

artillery also helpful

but yeah with how brood brothers works it's good to go with something that is decent on its own or covers an area you're lacking in

[white mural]

I somewhat feel as though that’s the whole point of brood brothers. GSC gets little love and so they get to take from one of the factions that has the most units iver all

[sinful merlin]

at 2,000 points you can just take a baneblade for some silly stuff 😏

aw oof the rogal dorn is 260 points so can't take that at 1,000

[white mural]

Sad days

[jaunty dawn]

I like the idea of the heavy weapon teams of either size

leman russes are just iconic too

sentinels

[brittle salmon]

Yeah I think heavier vehicles are your best bet

It's the niche GSC lacks

[white mural]

I feel like the cheaper art-y and heavy weapons fit the cult aesthetic a bit better

[brittle salmon]

To be fair, the point of the cult is it can be anywhere and any one

Tanks from the local PDF still fit

[white mural]

True

Just the aesthetic put forth by the GSC majority of the models is rather rag tag insurgents

[jaunty dawn]

scout sentinels and mortars is pretty cool

[white mural]

Yes they are

[brittle salmon]

Not very optimal tho

[white mural]

Optimal is for number crunch nerds im a fluff/rp nerd

I’m surprised munitorum servitors can’t be taken as brood brothers since they basically could be considered tools that one would find on the job site

[solemn gull]

I mean what's stopping you from taking them as brood brothers

[white mural]

The fact it specifically mentions that you can’t

[thin ibex]

i think best possible picks are as others have said, mainstay heavy vehicles. I'm thinking LR Demolishers are a star pick

[dense sedge]

ugh, I viisted a space hulk in rogue trader and it completely wrecked me, ,it felt like I wasn't even supposed to visit there yet

ended up loosing like two hours

[white mural]

The plow on the demolished gives it the right aesthetics

[sinful merlin]

I'm honestly imagining some cyclops demolition vehicles that look like minecarts loaded with dynamite now 😄

[white mural]

Hehe

I like the cyclops

[solemn gull]

that's cool, find a profile you like and use that

if you want servitors

[white mural]

Smort

[solemn gull]

is this a "But the rules say" or a "Damn the point calculator physically won't let me do it"

[white mural]

Both

[solemn gull]

is this for a tournament?

[white mural]

Nope

Just for playing with friends

Though my friend who plays the most is competitive and a rules stickler

Her and My exe got into a fight about Red Dragon Inn and neither would budge an inch

[solemn gull]

lame

[thin ibex]

im personally a fan of bringing a deathstrike despite it not being a great choice

[solemn gull]

GW isn't going to kick down your door for playing their game differently

people should just play it how they want

[thin ibex]

i mean, really, its that players should agree upon the rulesbase they are playing with ahead of time

[solemn gull]

yeah

[thin ibex]

i think its fine to be a stickler for rules a bit if you both said you'd be playing with them, and it makes sense to ask directly if you want to abridge them in the interest of a pick or whatever else

[solemn gull]

seems like a rules lawyer

[thin ibex]

i think for GSC another decent pick for bb at 1k points might be the manticore

[white mural]

Manticore looks dope

Would want art of a sexy 4 armed silhouette on one of the missles thoigh

[thin ibex]

the nice thing about it is t hat it absolutely shreks opposing infantry chunks, which can free up your wealth of str 12 close range weapons to do their business

[white mural]

Gotta love abberants

Big muscle bois

[thin ibex]

oh man

i should make the missiles missiles missiles guard list for fun

manticores, deathstrikes, heavy weapon teams galore

macross guard

[white mural]

We love missles

[solemn gull]

Luv artillery

[white mural]

Spooky

[verbal tangle]

Ahoy hoy, Only War (or general 40k RPG players) out there! The latest update to my historically-themed splatbook Bellum Inter Barbatos is LIVE!
This new update includes tons of new options for slingers and other classical skirmishers, tons of new blackpowder cannon weaponry, more martial arts options and freakin' trebuchets.

You can get it on Itch! It's free!
https://konigstein.itch.io/bellum-inter-barbatos

||also if you think it's neat consider checking out my Patreon maybe. https://www.patreon.com/trisdekanprimer||

[solemn gull]

Neat

[ebon forge]

it's already sold out

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/11/old-world-almanack-living-saints-and-special-rules/

[ebon forge]

Has anyone read Ahriman: Undying? Is good?

I need some thousand sons , because I Heard Magnus can be written wildly different

And hey, egyptian mages in power armor is cool

oh
Is GOING to release, nvm
well in that topic, any Thousand Sons good books?

[proud wing]

I mean, there's the original Ahriman series that Undying will be a follow-up to
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ahriman_(Novel_Series)

[ebon forge]

But are they good?

[proud wing]

I haven't read them yet but I heard they're the best thousand sons books

[ebon forge]

thank ya

[thin ibex]

oh huh something i didn't know, but the new necron book came out with new crusade rules for em? Has each new dex been releasing new crusade rules for their respective factions?

[solemn gull]

I liked the first ahriman book

[thin ibex]

one correction, the rod of the covenant praetorians are meant to be 10 not 6

[ebon forge]

will givei t a try after BEtrayer, thank

[thin ibex]

dang, in order to acess them ill need to actually buy the various books; dont currently have the leviathan crusade rules and tau and space wolves dex's arent out

[alpine quarry]

Trying to come up with a name for a sniper rifle belonging to my daemonhunter acolyte
Semi wanted to call it Hammer of Witches, but its a bit too on the nose and also banal

Need some help Т.Т

[thin ibex]

Sanctimonius Intervention

Sermon of Angels

[alpine quarry]

Emperor`s Mercy also might fit 🤔

[thin ibex]

Compassion

[junior robin]

the anti-immaterium rifle

[thin ibex]

Answer to Blasphemy

[naive abyss]

Man this could be anything lol

[quaint compass]

Final Salvation

[thin ibex]

Subtlety

His Spoken Word

[naive abyss]

Absolution

[thin ibex]

Lance of Purgation

[alpine quarry]

I know that acolytes of the inquisition are basically the secret police of the fascist regime, but this one is a bit too fasch xd

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-metal-gear-gif-26063920

Finally.

[quaint compass]

OH NO

The brain makes NO connections

[alpine quarry]

XD

[thin ibex]

Holy Scalpel

[quaint compass]

Good Morning
Glory Call
Good Evening
Hail Mary
Good Night

[thin ibex]

Saintly Reprisal

[mental birch]

What do you think of these electropriestess?

[quaint compass]

His Eternal Reprieve

[thin ibex]

Exit Strategy

[quaint compass]

Entry Strategy

Absolution
Two For Flinching

[thin ibex]

[Navigato'rs Name]'s Other Eye

[soft willow]

I wish there were feminine bald heads for them so you could add the goofy head cogs. Also give them some wild-ass electoos.

[quaint compass]

Interior Decoration

[thin ibex]

[Inquisitor's Name]'s Mailed Fist

[quaint compass]

Oops
Oops, The Revenge
Oops III: Without Remorse
Oops IV: No Boundary From Him

[naive abyss]

Finalities Hymn

[quaint compass]

Final Tap

Butterfly

[ebon forge]

'Angron grunted in annoyance. Khârn sighed.

‘Fine, fine,’ Lorgar chuckled. ‘In terms a child would understand?
'

Sometimes TTS gets too close to the reality of the books i swear

[sweet solar]

the bolted lip and curved belt-end-clasps dangling from the buckles make me think old chaos warrior art

[unreal cosmos]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832649952471285841/1183820912240373842/1702311381691514.jpg?ex=6589ba23&is=65774523&hm=ecdb63359f7b9f48aa8fc3fb03691b156d4065255d5c2ce1c9d742c3f447e2de& goddamn

Large and in charge

[naive abyss]

Stormcast on average are bigger than marines lol

At least as memory serves

[tepid stratus]

Yes that's true

[naive abyss]

And that is the like named big stormcast units character

I forget what the really big ones are called

[tepid stratus]

It was rumoured stormcasts size was a test run to see if players would be accepting of the primaris scale creep back in the day

[tepid stratus]

Lord Commander Bastian Carthalos

Lord commanders being the SC equivalent of a chapter master

[unreal cosmos]

I wonder if Sigmar goes all out on Lord Commanders or if he's just naturally huge

[pastel rampart]

Given it takes about 2 years for a model to be introduced (concept art, sculpt, mass production) that mostly lines up; stormcast were 2015, primaris 2017. Likely they had primaris in mind well before that though.

[thin ibex]

Oh huh, the cybernetica datasmith loses the infantry keyword when joining kastellans

Meaning they don't become infantry anymore

[tepid stratus]

We don't really know tbh. He was already a big dude from a Barbarian tribe before his reforging and he managed to keep his soul intact from a strike from the Slayer of kings on sheer willpower. Apparently the scar it left on his soul manifests on his body as a void into space on his chest

So it's completely possible this is just the result of a standard reforging on an already cool dude

[thin ibex]

Wortcov, it's a good thing!

[dense sedge]

stormcast are beeeeg

[unreal cosmos]

Goddamn

[ebon forge]

DID EREBUS LITERALLY PALPATINE'D ARGEL TAL?!

[thin ibex]

Apparently Flayed Ones are scary as heck in the new detachment

[pulsar cairn]

how good of a punishment is it to send a Commissar to take care of an Ogryn unit?

ya can't really treat them the same way

[thin ibex]

iirc comissars are given special training to manage ogryns actually

[pulsar cairn]

oooh

so they probably don't do that

i mean maybe? is it possible they would get sent to said training and then reasinged?

[pastel rampart]

https://fxtwitter.com/Trash4Fun/status/1734070929884352756

[solemn gull]

they give them a stern talking to

[jaunty dawn]

I think they mean for the comissar

[dense sedge]

I don’t know why but I think navigators are really cool

[naive abyss]

i mean theyre pretty neat

[soft willow]

Black Library has a navigator focused novel.

[still warren]

Everything is cooler when you have a third eye that kills people

[soft willow]

I mean the eye doesn't do it, the warp does, the eye just brings the immaterium and the materium together in fun ways for nobody.

[still warren]

This is probably incorrect lore but is it true that once the patriarch dies navigators go purge mode to see who's going to be the next one? Also they're all frogs eventually?

[jaunty dawn]

they basically just turn into the tank-bound navigators from dune

[dense sedge]

What’s it called?

It’s a shame that you can’t play as a navigator in rogue trader even if I understand why

[tired cairn]

I like how navigators are somehow single gene recessive

[solemn gull]

You can? Its in the core book I’m pretty sure

[zinc field]

If they're going off of IRL biology like frogs, it would be a parietal eye

[jaunty dawn]

they mean the video game

[solemn gull]

Oh

[tired cairn]

Sort of, all the heirs apparent mutate and then fight each other to the death over it

[jaunty dawn]

not that different from any other succession crisis really

[dense sedge]

Knight pilot, inquisitor interrogator, death cult assassin, administratum beaurocrat, rejuvenant, mechanicum magos (although this one also has good reasons to be canned) would all have been cool origins

[still warren]

Ah got it heirs apparent, that makes more sense than everyone. Very funny there's a mini ottoman empire succession crisis going on now and then inside the imperium

[zinc field]

I'm imagining a bracket of Wild West duels, except with third eye lasers, to decide who's the new patriarch

[tired cairn]

They apparently also try to kill each other at other times lol

They have to be not subtle then though

[solemn gull]

I don’t think a temple assassin is getting brought back to society

[jaunty dawn]

there's kinda a reason the ttrpg doesn't make someone play the rogue trader specifically

[solemn gull]

What origins did you guys all choose for your video game character

[dense sedge]

There’s one in the elucidean starstriders

[solemn gull]

Right but that’s retinue

[dense sedge]

Void born crime boss adept

[jaunty dawn]

dealth cult assassins are a bit different to a temple assassin

[dense sedge]

Adept is easily the weakest of the classes though

[tired cairn]

(minor note, there is a rogue trader thread in case people missed it)

[dense sedge]

Then I went bounty hunter

I always forget to check threads

[tired cairn]

Being a face character seems like it makes the most sense for the main Rogue trader character

[solemn gull]

Agreed

[jaunty dawn]

in the ttrpg rogue trader is its own career which is pretty face orientated

[solemn gull]

I went with a high society hiveworlder

[jaunty dawn]

has pretty cool support abilities

[tired cairn]

I kind of am annoyed at the cRPG trend of the main character getting a lot more out of a face role than other characters

[jaunty dawn]

also gets dual wielding stuff earlier iirc

[dense sedge]

You can use other characters stats for checks which is nice and I like

[jaunty dawn]

I like how divinity does it

[dense sedge]

I don’t feel handicapped by not having high social status

Stat

[jaunty dawn]

where you can have a conversation with your other ppl

[solemn gull]

I’d love to play rogue trader some time

British accents are mandatory right?

[dense sedge]

How do they do it?

Forsaken world, penal world and frontier world would also have been fun home planets

[jaunty dawn]

all the npc characters have their own stuff going on

and you can talk to npcs as any of them

your main character can also be one of the npc companions and is kinda the expected option

[dense sedge]

Tempestum veteran could also be cool

[naive abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgPgXvouPKM&ab_channel=TrovarionMiniatures

[mental birch]

can't fined any sadly but yeah the electoos are gonna be hand painted

ahahha

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/18g56s1/youve_heard_of_elf_on_a_shelf_now_get_ready_for/

[pastel rampart]

...huh. Did people suddenly rediscover sponge painting?

[bright dove]

Probably.

[pastel rampart]

I guess I shouldn't be too surprised since miniature painting youtubers are a relatively new thing and so a lot of old techniques are gaining new ground or being "rediscovered."

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/18g6vqt/morvenn_vahl_on_horseback_just_stuck_on_where_to/

[pastel rampart]

Sponging was my go-to for painting an ork army about...christ, 12 years ago?

[soft willow]

Model train people have forgotten more hobby techniques than wargaming has ever known.

[pastel rampart]

Seriously.

Model train people are usually years ahead of everyone else in terms of techniques. They're who I look to when doing terrain.

[solemn gull]

Really happy with how these warband members turned out

[unreal cosmos]

went to a hobby shop to pick up some glue and was blown away by the range of stuff train people have on hand

never seen more varieties of flock

[runic swallow]

Train people are the elder statesmen of the hobby world, to be feared and worshiped for their skill

[past sphinx]

train guys are lawful good 6mm historical guys are like chaotic good

scale airplane guys are true neutral and should be feared

[mental birch]

it's a dangerous coinflip for WW2 historical armour guys

[torn arrow]

Microscale dudes are chaotic good

in the mcgyver sense of 'I built all of this shit with craft supplies, fear me'

[white mural]

Hype

Making my Acolyte Hybrids

[dense sedge]

nice

[white mural]

Using the drill for the heavy mining tool because it’s way more ridiculous

I like how many arms I can fit on them

[dense sedge]

painting the power tools is so much fun

you can bring two per 5 by the way

[white mural]

I know I’m just build the combat patrol pretty straight though and will put more in when I get more Acolytes

Er maybe I will put in the saw too

Mining tools are just cool

Not sure how good it is to have two

[dense sedge]

I have two because they are cool

[white mural]

I don’t see any peoples lists having acolytes :/

Ima do two because they are cool

😎

[dense sedge]

the meta seems to be all about neophyte spam right now

[white mural]

😔

Meta is for nerds

[rocky shale]

The neophytes have flamers and the extremely silly demo charges

[desert jay]

Stolen tanks with the Great Devourer logo/icon spray-painted on the side

Oh shit I wasn't paying attention and that convo was 28 hours ago and not 4

[solemn gull]

The 3d print looks great

[white mural]

Lol it’s an official one

[pulsar cairn]

I'm going to send my skaven buddy into the Gene stealer cult as a spy

they'll never suspect the lil rat man

[white mural]

Oooo

[alpine quarry]

Went with Indignation

[mental birch]

Electoo lines next

[naive abyss]

new flaggelants?

[pastel rampart]

Can't tell if that's just a hunk of wood or a small beer stein

[naive abyss]

Its chained to the user I think

[pastel rampart]

Could still be a beer stein!

"I am chained to this delicious dwarven brew, woe is me"

[naive abyss]

Lol

[rocky shale]

Some guy got second in a decent sized tournament running an aeldari list that's just 12 characters and nothing else.

https://pastebin.com/x50RFcqP

[pastel rampart]

That they didn't call his list "The Dirty Dozen" is a crime.

[tired cairn]

Ok, but the name is still funny

[thin ibex]

thats sick actually

i like that

hero hammer

though khaine and the yncarne are also monsters to be fair

and are very killy

[obtuse violet]

Xposting from #1171221956775907408 here's my 99% finished land raider

[floral herald]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/12/whats-new-in-kill-team-salvation/

Ok this season’s maps are cool

Gonna be interesting to see how the meta develops for these boards

[thin ibex]

its a bit interesting honestly, that meta is often dictated by board rather than raw army strength

like pathfinders were ascendant in the bigger, open maps for a long time

[floral herald]

Yeah

Pathfinders are pretty solid in ITD still but less frightening

[jaunty dawn]

this has the same lightning motif as the one the other day

with the wood structue

slash comet tail maybe

[mental birch]

Gonna be using white lines

Want to use a super bright white

But nto sure what

[solemn gull]

Photo of the whole group so far

Also tried out some inks for the first time

Airbrushes are really neat

[tired cairn]

Auspex type effects (ignore obscured) seem pretty strong for this map

[floral herald]

I am a little unsure there

I’m not sure if the fog is gonna work like obscurement

And it seems like it’d be a crazy buff to the few teams which can easily access it

[tired cairn]

They do use the Obscured Keyword in the "Restricted Line of Sight" image

It is possible they did not think this through though lol

[floral herald]

That’s a good point I missed that it was capitalized haha

Man Phobos and Kinstalker are gonna be a menace

[tired cairn]

Though if about equal amount of covering terrain is used, it might not matter too much?

[floral herald]

https://preview.redd.it/warhammer-day-reveal-killzone-bheta-decima-v0-vqdf6crs86ub1.png?auto=webp&s=f429cae2d7da12c99881d250f32c9318edea6fe2

These are pretty open sight lines if you can ignore obscured

[tired cairn]

RIP

[jaunty dawn]

I think auspex likes are usually only one operative at least

[tired cairn]

I think phobos can have a full team of them?

Yeah, just take incursors

[jaunty dawn]

oh

fucked up

[floral herald]

Yeah Phobos can run full ignores obscured

Kinband gets iirc 2 good ignores obscurement snipers

[jaunty dawn]

tbf incursors do the same to smoke grenades and nachmund exhaust pipes

[floral herald]

Those are I think a little less central but yeah

[jaunty dawn]

nachmund exhaust pipes are basically the equivalent of the big obscuring area

in terms of making a killzone work with less terrain

[tired cairn]

oooh, is that why this exists?

That makes a lot of sense

[jaunty dawn]

nachmund used the same terrain line

in fact

just with pipes n that

[floral herald]

That’s probably a part of it yeah

That is a fair point with nachmund

I forgot how open it is

[thin ibex]

i like the setting too on this one

big ocean rig

feels cool but also like 80's/90's action movie

[jaunty dawn]

I like it a lot yeah

[floral herald]

The new campaign format also seems neat

[thin ibex]

feels like both my pathfinders and kroot can have fun in the zone as well

you know it would be funny if space marines could fall through the grating not rated for their weight

[jaunty dawn]

kinda wish they had two different aspects

since the shrines indicate the striking scorpions are gonna be sold in fives

[floral herald]

Yeah it’s sort of annoying how you can’t build the blades of khaine fully with the KT box

One of the worst implementations of a multibox KT imo

[jaunty dawn]

especially with no specialists

[tired cairn]

I think everything in the Imperium is made so Terminators can walk on/through it though lol

Wait, it's marketed as a KT box but you need to buy two of them?

[jaunty dawn]

I mean

[tired cairn]

Not great. Does the release box at least come with enough?

[jaunty dawn]

they haven't revealed what a blades of khaine kt box would be

or if there even will be one

[tired cairn]

Ah, fair

[jaunty dawn]

the release box does but it's two copies of the a 5 man sprue set

[floral herald]

So the Blades of Khaine can be played as a choose 2 of 5 scorps, 5 avengers, and 5 banshees aiui

But the box just has 10 scorps

[jaunty dawn]

which is why there's two shrines

[floral herald]

Which is pretty inflexible

[jaunty dawn]

maybe they'll have super interesting equipment haha

[floral herald]

(Exaction Squad, Navy Breachers and Inquisition are some other fairly infamous multibox KTs, but some of those you can overcome with magnetization)

[jaunty dawn]

and the first two can be run from the box

just not optimally

[floral herald]

All of them can

Including BoK

[thin ibex]

i think my pathfinder with the cool goggles will be able to shine on the new map potentially

[tired cairn]

Oh, weird they didn't have two different sprues. I guess they wanted to have the new one for uh, non-KT players

[thin ibex]

i should really think about picking up what i need to play some of the different mission styles and types

like the space hulk stuff and this new one

might be far more affordable than normal 40k

[floral herald]

It is

[jaunty dawn]

into the dark is cool

and hasn't gone out of print yeeeet

[tired cairn]

Inquisition has the soft problem of needing other boxes for the non SoS allies they can take right?

[floral herald]

Ashes of Faith comes with SoS models for that

[jaunty dawn]

the release came with two options for auxiliaries

the kt box comes with one fire team basically

[tired cairn]

Oh, huh

[jaunty dawn]

which you combine with a second kt box or with something you can take as allies

but ashes of faith was also three cultist boxes haha

still mad abt it. still mad

[floral herald]

The problem is that except for the book guy, gun servitor, and skull, every inquisition model is built 1 of 2 ways for different specialists

[solemn gull]

How freeform is new killteam I know the old one let you use pretty much any 40k unit

It was very customizable

[floral herald]

Wanna run an Interrogator and Gunslinger in the same team? Buy two boxes for example

[jaunty dawn]

not the same game as any old kill team really

[floral herald]

Basically a completely different game with the same name

And a similar scale and tone I guess

[jaunty dawn]

it's gone from '40k modified for miniatures bought one at a time with a 100-200 pt limit' to a standalone game with cross compatible miniatures

[thin ibex]

is it possible to get the terrain sets without hte squads?

[solemn gull]

awww

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

from now on they're being sold seperately too

[thin ibex]

ooo

[jaunty dawn]

rather than together as an expansion

[thin ibex]

ok so i can get Into the dark without needing to get additional models

[solemn gull]

I really liked using old kill team to play out cool ideas I had

[thin ibex]

sweet

I think the problem with old kill team is that it had wacky as hell scope

[jaunty dawn]

just play with the 7th edition rules or somethin

[solemn gull]

Like a group of guardsmen being hunted by lictors