everyone is evil in warhammer
#Warhammer and Such
proud wing
jaunty dawn
im 90% sure there's 3 straight women, 2 straight men, bi drukhari and bi accountant lady
proud wing
that's kinda the whole premise
dense sedge
accountant lady?
jaunty dawn
she's an accountant and a lady
dense sedge
aromantic pansexual feel most in line with drukhari
proud wing
the drukhari are even worse than most others, but it's not like they specifically made the gay character be from the only evil faction
dense sedge
I'm not sure I've heard of accountant lady yet tbh
jaunty dawn
drukhari are sexually coded in a way that, frankly, no other faction in 40k is
other than like slaanesh I guess
floral herald
Her I think
dense sedge
I thought she was the smuggler/cold trader
floral herald
That's probably more accurate than accountant
tired cairn
Maybe in the 40k universe, accountant is what smugglers use on social media so other people don't bother reading their posts
thin ibex
works in "accounting" because smuggling is an illegal profession
proud wing
other than like slaanesh I guess
they are a slaanesh faction though
thin ibex
they're not actually
they don't worship slaanesh at all
in fact i think they really really hate slaanesh, and thats why they stay in the webway
proud wing
not willingly, mind you
tired cairn
They just happened to have made them in the past
thin ibex
slaanesh is mostly incredibly inconvenient to them
jaunty dawn
cause they are ultimately feeding them by topping up their souls?
tired cairn
Really puts a damper on the murder-parties
proud wing
I thought the whole reason they did all the torture was to appease slaanesh because she's trying to eat their souls
jaunty dawn
no
thin ibex
nah the torture nebulously helps them keep their souls
somehow
the sadism juice or something
tired cairn
They were super torture happy before the fall right?
jaunty dawn
dark eldar didn't really change behaviour from preslanesh no
tired cairn
Maybe they just pretend it helps so they can justify not changing anything lol
jaunty dawn
they were like
thin ibex
they were way into sadism and masochism before the fall yeah
thin ibex
they're the closest, culturally, to how the aeldari race were at the time of the fall iirc
dense sedge
They were super torture happy before the fall right?
yeah, they're sticking to their old ways instead of the craftworlders, if anything the craftworlders are the 'good' drukhari while the drukharai are the 'main' faction
tired cairn
Being in the webway saved the drukeri right?
floral herald
Yeah
thin ibex
the craftworlds are, by most standards of the aeldari, the weird rigid weirdos making discipline communes in their private ships and flotillas
floral herald
CWE are the weird intense isolationist hippie communes
Or would be if that wasn't exodites
jaunty dawn
exodites are often less isolationist and more like
just guys ignorant of the greater galaxy right
floral herald
I don't think they're terribly ignorant but are usually extremely remote
proud wing
CWE are the weird intense isolationist hippie communes
I wouldn't say they're isolationist by ideology
just by virtue of literally everyone else in the galaxy wanting to kill them
jaunty dawn
like at least some of them are just. pre industrial aeldari societies doing their thng
thin ibex
they're like the wild frontiersman, aeldari australians
floral herald
They definitely isolated themselves from the rest of the eldar before the fall
Is more what I was getting at
jaunty dawn
mm
thin ibex
its a bit silly but i guess very warhammer that
Drukharii are murder torturing loads of people to survive
dense sedge
how does romancing a drukari work, because it feels like a very, very bad idea
floral herald
They do it for fun
dense sedge
Drukharii are murder torturing loads of people to *survive*
they also just enjoy it and were doing it before hand as well
proud wing
I feel like it's worth noting that "they" can be a dangerous word
thin ibex
they probably do still have that "Why should we have self discipline and control when we're the most important and powerful people in the galaxy" vibes
floral herald
Soulstones also come with a lot of baggage like the restrictive path system, not experiencing your emotions outside of extremely controlled circumstances, and going to the spectral retirement home forever if you die
proud wing
like, their culture encourages it so most of them adopt that mindset, but it's not as if being a member of the race makes you automatically evil like old d&d
floral herald
Yeah, eldar can move between the different factions
thin ibex
we have specific examples of this as well actually yeah
floral herald
Though it may be hard because they're pretty different
jaunty dawn
yeah there is only one eldar species
tired cairn
Soulstones also come with a lot of baggage like the restrictive path system, not...
Oh, are that restrictions of soulstones? I thought Drukerhi don't use it because uh, it's real bad news if another dark elf gets hold of yours
floral herald
That's also true
jaunty dawn
yeah but these are the reasons they don't want to lol
floral herald
It does also take self restraint and social trust to use one, which most of why they don't want to
upper canopy
I don't think it actually requires that
Soulstones just require you to not get eaten by Slaanesh
Which is why they practice that restraint
Corsairs with soulstones fuck and fight as much as they want.
floral herald
I vaguely remember something about it in daemonifuge
jaunty dawn
is it like
to use a soulstone you have to have a soul left when you die
and the paths protect your soul while you are alive
floral herald
So IIRC the process is that every eldar always feels the tug of Slaanesh. A soulstone will shield you from it but you need to comport yourself with a Path to basically limit yourself enough that the stone can shield you. Or you go the dark eldar route and refill your soul with psychic essence taken by tormenting others - just paying off she who thirsts instead
Or some combination of the above as some corsairs or other potw eldar do
thin ibex
wait, also i was just checking the lexicanum, is Eldrad still canonically dead but still around and doing things?
jaunty dawn
I think outcasts mainly also operate on timescales that like
thin ibex
did he pull a kroak?
jaunty dawn
you go be a corsair for a hundred years for your teenage rebellion
upper canopy
wait, also i was just checking the lexicanum, is Eldrad still canonically dead ...
That got retconned like a decade ago
of him dying in the 13th black crusade
floral herald
Kill Team also has a pretty good explanation for why a drukhari might want to avoid using one haha
thin ibex
ok then the lexicanum hasn't been updated in that regard
jaunty dawn
most people end up returning to the craftworld eventually
thin ibex
but as far as the lexicanum goes, it looks liek the soulstone doesn't do anything to protect you while you're alive, it sucks up your soul at hte moment of your death to ensure you don't go to slaanesh
jaunty dawn
even like yriel is walking the Path of the Leader
thin ibex
Spirit Stones are made out of psycho-receptive crystals called waystones,[1] which are grown from something similar to Wraithbone.[4] At the moment of the Eldar's death, the stone acts like a 'psychic trap', absorbing their psychic self and preventing it from entering the warp and being consumed by the nemesis of the Eldar race: Slaanesh.[3a]
floral herald
Yeah Yriel is in a weird spot
jaunty dawn
yeah he was only on the path of the outcast during his exile and that was only 50 years
bright dove
This also isn't touching on the ultimate Aeldari weirdos: Harlequins
jaunty dawn
which in an eldars lifetime is like
they get the benefit of not having a dead god haha
floral herald
summer internship
bright dove
The Clown supports its followers
thin ibex
well sometimes, the clown will also let stuff happen if they think its funny iirc
they're a bit of a fickle god
bright dove
The trade-off is living a truly surreal existence, yeah.
Joining the Harlequins is not for the faint of heart.
tired cairn
Kill Team also has a pretty good explanation for why a drukhari might want to av...
That's exactly what I was thinking of, ha
bright dove
It's not the easy "Fuck it" of the Dark Eldar, or the regimented existence of the Craftworlds.
dense sedge
Kill Team also has a pretty good explanation for why a drukhari might want to av...
wouldn't that be a reason to use it?
if it can heal you?
floral herald
That one has uh, already been used
tired cairn
Your soul and mind is being tortured so someone else can heal
bright dove
Slurpy-slurp
floral herald
Yeah, you still need someone you can trust to bring your soul to the infinity circuit
Yeah it is
They're not even unique you can just take 5 if you wanted
tired cairn
Do the dark elves get their souls eaten when they die? (Excluding however resurrection works for them)
bright dove
Contrary to popular belief, it's not actually that fun to be the Dark Eldar.
jaunty dawn
ye
bright dove
And yeah, their souls get turbo ate when they die.
tired cairn
Nty
jaunty dawn
but their opinion of people who die is skill issue
bright dove
Slaanesh is waiting right there with a knife and fork basically.
tired cairn
The thing I find hilarious about DE is how they make clones and then send them out into the wild
floral herald
FUck those guys fr fr
bright dove
Look, if they were going to responsible folks.
They wouldn't have made Slaanesh and doubled down.
tired cairn
"our race is dying, someone help me"
"Take care of your children"
"No"
bright dove
So funny thing, the Dark Eldar are doing well last I checked.
They don't have the dwindling problem that Craftworld Eldar do.
On account of all the cloning and not giving a single fuck.
tired cairn
Also who is making these clones lol. Is it a rare DE government service?
jaunty dawn
it's still very rare they actually can have kids
bright dove
Haemonculi are making them.
brittle salmon
Haemonculi afaik
tired cairn
I guess if you make enough clones, since of them, your population will go up
jaunty dawn
they just use cloning to solve the problem
bright dove
It's not a government service, it's basically a continuation of their fucking around.
tired cairn
Lol
tired cairn
DE get a normal hobby challenge (impossible)
bright dove
To make experimental fodder.
brittle salmon
It all comes down to bodies, yeah
bright dove
Dark Eldar society is basically Mad Max with a distressingly high tech level.
floral herald
Why do they do this
Well, you can make them do your chores
- make a clone
- they know that you've been alive longer and know how to knife fight way better
- they have to listen to you
- no more mundane chores for you
- you get to be mean to another person
- no downsides
- ever
tired cairn
Keeping them around makes sense. But for some reason I got in my head they just get unleashed into the city streets and then form flying skateboard gangs
floral herald
That's what happens when they're too damn quick and make it out the door before you can get them
jaunty dawn
apparently it's not actually cloning
just like
mass embryo growing
there is cloning too but that's used for medical stuff or experiments
tepid stratus
Keeping them around makes sense. But for some reason I got in my head they just ...
This also happens on the side as far as I know. A lot of the populace of the lower city slums where just flash grown teenagers dumped into the slums to fend for themselves to keep the population up. The hectic gang warfare that results from it is how the cabals find new recruits
naive abyss
the drukhari are even worse than most others, but it's not like they specificall...
yes but they did make them be from the weird like bdsm faction
which falls way to close to old hat "villian" coding for lgbtq+ people imo
its less an issue of it in a vacumn but when its one of the only options
it reads badly
bright dove
40k is just one of those games where romance isn't exactly why you're showing up.
proud wing
Warhammer is a franchise with a ton of fucked up factions and very little romance
bright dove
It's disappointing that the Drukhari is the only MxM option, yes.
proud wing
the game has very little romance, which includes a character from a fucked up faction
jaunty dawn
it has more romance options than da2
naive abyss
i feel you may be missing the forest for the trees with the point im trying to make
proud wing
?
bright dove
I think this is just the wrong game to criticize it for.
jaunty dawn
very little romance is skyrim being like just wear a necklace lol
naive abyss
not really tbh. my point is no matter what the decision to make one of the few romances and the even fewer lgbtq+ ones actively a walking caricature of historical villian coding of lgbtq+ folks is a bad look
like i dont care that they are evil
proud wing
obsessing over what a character's race and sexuality are just feels really weird to me
naive abyss
its not the race its literally the fact they are the walking evil bdsm faction like they dress what movies in the fifties-eighties use to dress their queer coded villians like
jaunty dawn
it's inherently tying non hetero romance to a genuinely sexually abusive faction
naive abyss
and then that being the only rep more or less
jaunty dawn
the conflation of queerness with sexual assault is like, one of the oldest homophobic tropes in the book
naive abyss
like it would be fine if it wasnt the only one in the pride parade alongside an accountant
also ill be real it feels weird to be told a games not the right game to level a critique at ngl
proud wing
this is a Warhammer game
naive abyss
serval
im fullly bloody aware
the issue isnt that theyre evil
its the kind/flavor of the evil
proud wing
having a wide variety of romance options is not something I think is reasonable to expect
jaunty dawn
it exists already if your character is straight
proud wing
and like, do we even know if this character fits those stereotypes
naive abyss
ill be real i feel like my actual point is just being ignored over and over so im just x carding this tbh
soft willow
Anyone else in here pick up Legions Imperialis? Curious what people think about it from a rules perspective.
soft willow
Garrisoning buildings is fun
jaunty dawn
I like how the tactical formations can have a wandering assault squad attached
I kind wanna just get a bunch of planes but I'm too busyyyy tbh
thin ibex
i will probably never get it IRL but i like the idea of playing it in tts
jaunty dawn
mm
thin ibex
because it seems really cool
soft willow
The models are super cool to have.
thin ibex
but my budget will not allow me being interested in it
tepid stratus
I want to get into it for the titan minis, but in its current state infantry are mandatory and I kinda hate tiny infantry models
soft willow
I mean yeah totally get it.
tepid stratus
If they put out a supplement that makes full walker lists a thing I'll be in 100%
thin ibex
but i heard "garrison buildings" and my red alert 2 playing ass went "wuh-hat?"
jaunty dawn
yeah its a shame the big stuff is locked behind making a full army
soft willow
Titanicus is still its own game.
jaunty dawn
before you get enough support allowance
soft willow
I agree I want more big models though.
tepid stratus
Titanicus is still its own game.
True, but unlike Titanicus it looks like legions is actually gonna have a playerbase locally lol
soft willow
I want Knights guarding Titans with hordes of tiny skitarii damnit.
thin ibex
so is it a very different beast from warhammer 40k or HH? Or does it still have that dna?
soft willow
It’s still at its core a d6 casual game.
It’s just roll to hit/roll to save. No wounding.
jaunty dawn
melee and the orders is probably the biggest difference
soft willow
Alternating activations too.
tepid stratus
Like battles that were essentially nothing but titans was a thing in the heresey in the admech/cult mech schism and that's the shit I'm looking for as an army
soft willow
Yeah I am hoping we get some mechanicum content in future expansion
thin ibex
are there factions?
soft willow
Space Marines and Solar Aux
jaunty dawn
just auxilia and space marines rn
thin ibex
mm ok
tepid stratus
That feel of deploying a titan Legion is just so much cooler than Titanicus' 3-8 model lists
soft willow
You pick loyal or traitor, but all legions can be either.
soft willow
Yeah 70% main faction and 30% the other faction/ big robots.
soft willow
New Recruit also has LI now too.
thin ibex
thats ok, its like my first point of familiarity with the stuff as a game most of the time
tepid stratus
Like, the downside to titans aside from their list building limitations is not being able to hold objectives. So titan legions having knights and armigers in their army list that can hold objectives would alleviate that limitation if it where to become a faction
But this is just me on my early game cycle hopium for GW giving the game a proper support tail
jaunty dawn
cause of the delay I assume they already revealed a bunch of models that don't actually have rules yet
like land raiders n the like
tepid stratus
cause of the delay I assume they already revealed a bunch of models that don't a...
Jetbikes, landspeeders and some of the super heavy tanks I think?
jaunty dawn
I like the detachment system cause I like when GW actually gives you a reason to follow the organisations they come up with and make cool charts for xP
soft willow
It’s actually more rules that don’t have models at the moment.
thin ibex
dats a lot of units
soft willow
should i be bringing?
2-4 at 3k which is suggested
thin ibex
like... one formation is an entire army as far as 40k is concerned xD
jaunty dawn
ye!
thin ibex
should i be worried about making squadrons bigger or just filling out the formation?
jaunty dawn
like apart from command pretty much everything fits in a tactical detachment for a battle company
depends really I guess
like an assault squad detachment is a slightly different role to two assault bases in a tactical detachment
and you also consider stuff like transports and garrison sizes
adding models to a detachment is usually cheaper than adding more detachments
soft willow
Heres a test list i did: https://pastebin.com/mrBmAqXT
jaunty dawn
like an assault detachment is 30 for the base 4 bases but bumping it to 8 only costs 24 more
soft willow
Yeah a lot of stuff is cheaper if you pack in more models.
No minimum squad efficiency in this game.
white mural
Hype got my combat patrol
jaunty dawn
nice!
white mural
Love the magus’ dress and high heel boots
I think I’m going to make paint her Madonna esque
Make the robes a red leathe dress etc
jaunty dawn
hell yeah
soft willow
We are living in a four armed world and I am a four armed girl.
white mural
Writing a style guide on how I’m assembling them
thin ibex
https://legionbuilder.app/lists/view?listId=UQf4OddP-bXNM-_N1PL3t I didn't even get to 3k yo
its so many points
soft willow
Aww I can’t load your link.
thin ibex
aww one sec
thin ibex
bright dove
Look at those old goobers.
solemn gull
Yes
dense sedge
and the imperium in particular is real bad for wanting people to follow their role and to so much as question it is heresy
thin ibex
i honestly don't think the imperium gives a shit about sexuality beyond how it affects the roles it decides for you in an industrial and caste sense
i.e. it doesn't give a shit about relationships until they affect how you fufill the duties its assigned to you
dense sedge
I doubt we'd see openly homophobic stuff form the imperium due to GW wanting to dissaude the whole nazi problem too
white mural
The inquisition is litterally based on McCarthyism and whatever one would call the UK’s version of McCarthyism which was way worse
Yeah GW isn’t looking to parody empire anymore
thin ibex
you can love who you want, and engage with whomever you want, but you need to be at your work station 18 hours a day until you die
you can even have a whole family so long as you're on time
jaunty dawn
its kinda a case of the imperium realistically would be due to the nature of reproductive labour
but that isn't really borne out by the text
and 40k isn't a setting that particularly cares about realism
white mural
The imperial bureaucracy probably constantly searches for scapegoats as well
jaunty dawn
or really the details of what actually happens to the average person
upper canopy
I think in general it's not neccessary to use homosexuality when you have Guy With 4 Arms
agile yew
40k tends to take realism out the back and beat it with a stick until it goes away.
jaunty dawn
40k is a setting where cannibalism is industrialised cause it sounds metal and depressing
naive abyss
it should be noted thers also a variety of lgbtq+ characters that are imperial and arent treated like shit for it specifically
jaunty dawn
despite the fact they probably consume more calories doing all the corpse chopping than they retrieve from malnourished hivers
naive abyss
its not the most up to date version of this chart but still
white mural
I think lore wise generally race, gender, and sexuality are tolerated because they hate mutants, chaos worshipers, and xenos
thin ibex
yeah i think imperium is treating folk like shit all the time, but generally not for their sexuality or gender as far as i understand it
and theres already a thing to point at and hate all the time
and easy scapegoats
like chaos
or xenos
or mutants
or mutant xenos
naive abyss
or heretics
thin ibex
all readily accessible
agile yew
it should be noted thers also a variety of lgbtq+ characters that are imperial a...
Confirm Greyfax/Celestine instead of just hinting at it, you cowards.
white mural
Tbf when a world doesn’t have those things I imagine they make them up.
white mural
Like when McCarthy couldn’t find any communists he went after the gays
solemn gull
I just think that the imperium are evil to a ridiculously cartoonish and impractical extent
solemn gull
So they would be hateful in ways that don’t make sense
jaunty dawn
cartoony means like
naive abyss
like you can be not homophobic and be ludicriously evil
white mural
its not the most up to date version of this chart but still
POLYAMOOUS LESBIAN POLYCULE!? Who?
agile yew
I think my general stance is sorta '40k is shitty in plenty of ways as it is, it doesn't need to also add the way that a nasty subset of fans will use to make the game more hostile to players'
solemn gull
I agree to that
white mural
Classic cartoonishly evil characters are also gay
solemn gull
That stance comes from shitty irl people
solemn gull
Holup
naive abyss
id more say make queer villians
white mural
I think my general stance is sorta '40k is shitty in plenty of ways as it is, it...
But I want my Dungeon Master to call me the F slur :P
naive abyss
queer coded villiains are villians cuz they are queer lol
white mural
Also what’s the polyamourous warrior unit?
agile yew
Luckily with 40k, the average battle can have both sides with Queer Villains. Like, it would be hard to have any faction have a Queer Character who's not a Villain.
naive abyss
fucked if i know lol
jaunty dawn
idk if you just typo'd buit its the other way around
thin ibex
right yeah, queer villains are villains and queer, rather than villainous because they are queer
jaunty dawn
queer coding is when you make an evil person gay because being gay is evil
white mural
I like to think I’m villainous because I’m queer
Have y’all ever seen a John Waters movie?
solemn gull
Yeah I thought it was a bit weird to say “damn I wish we brought back the hague’s code”
Also I just remembered a really good 28mag about why space marines would be gay
soft willow
Also I just remembered a really good 28mag about why space marines would be gay
They aren't?
white mural
Hagues Code- Queer codes villians because it thinks being gay is yucky
I queer code villians because I’m down bad
jaunty dawn
queer coding backfired though cause yeah
proud wing
queer coding is when you make an evil person gay because being gay is evil
...but it's not?
jaunty dawn
they just made the evil ppl hot because they thought being hot was evil
it literally is bud
tired cairn
My head cannon is space marines are aroace
proud wing
queer coding is when you imply a character is queer without explicitly stating it
white mural
In the context of the Hague’s code it is.
I wouldn’t say it is in the Little Mermaid because it’s an homage
proud wing
which is when a villain is implied to be queer but it's not stated
jaunty dawn
and why were all villains of that era given aspects that implied they were queer....?
thin ibex
i feel like ive lost the thread on the multiple lines of context here
but im on board still
though i will say i learned just now that that's what queer coding means
i just thought it meant implying a character was queer, not that it had to do specifically with villains n stuff
tired cairn
I think it depends on context
jaunty dawn
I'm talking about a very specific context
thin ibex
ahh, ok, then im just demonstrating how i got lost i see
jaunty dawn
but it is an important element of context in the history of why queer coding happened
white mural
I’m talking in the context of liking to write queer coded villians because I like queer coded villians
proud wing
"queer coding" is when a character is implied to be queer. i don't think it's a blanket term for all bad representation of queerness in media
using fiction to say that being queer makes you evil is bad, but i don't see why you would use the term "queer coding" to describe that
thin ibex
I do think that you can't like... when writing seriously, bar queer people from being villains, but also having the only queer people in a narrative caste be the bad guys is not a good message
jaunty dawn
cause queer coded villains weren't generally on screen talking about how much they loved kissing people of the same gender
white mural
Warhammer is also not really a serious series
agile yew
I think part of the affection for queer-coded villians is that in much of the Hayes Code Era, villians were the only people having any fun.
thin ibex
ok so that got brought up a few times, is that like.. a policy in an era of animation or something?
jaunty dawn
yeah when you're a conservative and all the things you hate are awesome
giving the villains all the qualities you hate backfires hard
agile yew
Not just animation.
thin ibex
oh bigger? media in general?
agile yew
The Motion Picture Production Code or the Hays code affected all American productions from 1934 through 1968
white mural
God damn that villainous Anarchist, lesbian, who smokes the marijuana drug… I just really… er…. Want her to kiss me
agile yew
storm schooner
And it also affected non American production, because iirc it was also a thing of what you could show meaning if you wanted to show your film in America you'd have to follow it
agile yew
Yeah, America was the biggest single market so even non-Americans needed to listen to it.
bright dove
Yuuuup.
jaunty dawn
other countries also had equivalents
bright dove
There's a long standing history there.
agile yew
A lot of the 'oh, we can't do this' ended up 'Wait, they'll let us do this if it's a villain and clearly so'
jaunty dawn
and I think even post hayes code there was still a lot of self censorship and blacklisting
within hollywood etc
bright dove
Inertia happened, yeah.
white mural
Speaking of blacklisting fuck Reagan for giving names to HUAC.
agile yew
It's why for example only bad guys were allowed to be sexy/seductive. As good people wouldn't do such a thing!
And thus you ended up with 'Oh but everyone likes the sexy villain'
jaunty dawn
there's also the context of before the hayes code and policies like it, the early 20th century was making progress in a lot of ways
it was a reactionary measure
runic swallow
It's why for example only bad guys were allowed to be sexy/seductive. As good pe...
Or the gay romance pulp fiction classic of “and then the cool hot sexy lady died, and the other lady learned a valuable lesson”
thin ibex
It's why for example only bad guys were allowed to be sexy/seductive. As good pe...
its kind of interesting to see how that has cascaded historically into like a nebulous gestalt media consciousness
to almost like a reverb effect or echo
runic swallow
Since authors and readers wanted their pulp romance stuff that wasn’t totally in line with the comstock laws, but wanted to be able to publish it/read it, so you can’t have a happy ending
white mural
Has anyone here seen the documentary on Roy Coen Bully, Coward, Victim it’s a really good piece of media about what we are talking about
Following one specific bastard
runic swallow
Real piece of work
thin ibex
"make villains sexy -> ake villains sexy -> villains sexy -> villains are sexy" as like a march of progression
white mural
He also prosecuted the Rosenbergs
runic swallow
And was lead council for HUAC, leading to the famous “have you no decency” response to his questions
Also, McCarthy was probably gay interestingly enough
zinc field
I feel like the progression has gone "villains are sexy/interesting/fun characters" --> "let's write more about the villains" --> "the villains are now good guys (but keep the sexy)"
bright dove
Ehhh.
zinc field
see: Emma Frost, Harley Quinn
white mural
Roy Cohn was gay for those who don’t know
thin ibex
wait, i know i kinda like inquired further into this but, it might only be right for me to say that this is probably more a general media discussion at this point and we're in the warhammer channel
runic swallow
People like a person who does the stuff society says you can’t even if you kinda wanna
bright dove
I feel like the progression has gone "villains are sexy/interesting/fun characte...
That last part has more to do with an unwillingness to make new settings and the like because Risks.
Being interested by villains is a relatively human constant.
agile yew
I feel like the progression has gone "villains are sexy/interesting/fun characte...
I think there is an element of 'since we have less restrictions around villains, we can write more complexity into them' leading to 'We like engaging with that complexity'.
Heroes were not allowed Negative Aspects (That wouldn't be Decent)
Villians could be all over the place.
white mural
Sexy villians 🤤
pulsar cairn
i gotta say tho
when heroes are actually heroes like the old batman(animated series) i like them more 
i don't see a lot of that today
so villains cooler
jaunty dawn
there was a trend yeah
dense sedge
decided to make a voidborn/crime lord/operative character, with the imtimidating asian woman portrait
white mural
I gotta say the female magus just serves. I canmt wait to paint her up
proud wing
this one?
dense sedge
She’s great
pulsar cairn
BALD
what's her genestealer cult again?
i only know the medicine one
and the many armed emperor lads
unreal cosmos
I don't quite recall which is the posterboy faction
either Four Armed Emperor or Pauper Princes I think
white mural
Fuck I dropped an aberrant leg on the ground and can’t find it
solemn gull
Fuck I dropped an aberrant leg on the ground and can’t find it
Grab a toothpick she is getting a peg leg!
white mural
Lol
dense sedge
Fuck I dropped an aberrant leg on the ground and can’t find it
Oof, those things are a pain to assemble
dense sedge
Agreed, did one out of order and it was nigh impossible to get on
proud wing
it's escaped, unfortunately
it's going to secretly spread its remaining tyranid DNA to whatever life forms it can find
pulsar cairn
don't worry i'll get u that one ork i shrunk in order to kill the ants in my yard
i just need to find him first
quaint compass
I'm sure you'll find an ork soon enough
white mural
Bob Ross Kept it safe :P
spice flicker
So I didn't have much time to play rogue trader yesterday but what I did get to enjoy made me enjoy it immensely. BG3 may have nice graphics but the backgrounds, character creation, and premise with Rogue Trader is making me enjoy RT more than BG3. Owlcat hit it out of the park on this one and have so far shown they have learned from their experience with kingmaker, wrath of the righteous, and their own time playing the rogue trader ttrpg. I 100% give the wallace seal of approval from my experience so far.
thin ibex
how does it compare to their earlier game, kingmaker
cause i have kingmaker, and am curious if its an appreciable evolution or has a lot of recognizable elements
spice flicker
It's an appreciable evolution in regards to general gameplay imo but do remember is based on a different system. Combat is completely turn based with a cover mechanic and a grid cell system for determining movement and effect radius. Biggest complaint so far about combat is you can sometimes see enemies ahead and think it'll start immediately only for combat not to be triggered until you get closer. Also moving the party is easier as when out of combat you can select everyone with just backspace. Overall it seems that Owlcat is using what it has learned over the years to great use.
But one thing I like about combat is that they did make it more Tactical. When it starts you can chose where the party actually are so if combat is triggered before you people that need cover are in it, you can place them there as well as place you melee guys where you think they might be needed more before it actually starts. If you played total war its kinda like when you can place your soldiers in formations and positions before the fighting actually starts and then select begin.
A key difference from pathfinder is that the ability to hit in melee or at ranged is its own individual attribute called weapon skill (WS and governs melee hit chance) and ballistic skills (BS and governs ranged hit chance.) Strength still determines you melee damage though but WS determines you actually ability to hit and defend against melee if using a melee weapon.
Also regarding attributes, in pathfinder if you have a 14 in a skill you essentially have a bonus of +2. Meanwhile in Rogue Trader if you have an attribute of 40 and 45, your bonus is +4 since your attribute bonus is always whatever number is in the 10s place rather than based on the 1s place. Whenever you get an increase to an attribute it is usually in increments of 5.
Sorry for wall of text
naive abyss
Maybe admech?
Could be any imperial faction though
I bet it's for a character though
So I'll wager it's something in rumored krieg wave
jaunty dawn
kriegsman don't know how to read so they need a servo skull reader
naive abyss
Snrk
spice flicker
That is a skull at the end and so my bet is admech or sisters
jaunty dawn
why teach literacry when you can do another couple hundred arms drills
sisters can read and admech have dataslates is the thing
spice flicker
We all know it's space wolves that can't read
naive abyss
In fairness servo skulls are present in every faction
It being paper makes me think krieg
Cuz their tech is more old school in aesthetics generally
Like how the plastic squad has paper orders and an old school flare gun
jaunty dawn
sisters have like two different book ppl
naive abyss
Also true lol
jaunty dawn
repentia superior and the retributor superior
naive abyss
And the dialogus
spice flicker
Reciting rolls of the lecticio divinitatus is my bet which would be more in line with sisters or maybe new priest leader of guard?
junior robin
finally, the bathroom skull equipped with the emperors holy 3-ply
naive abyss
Snrk
spice flicker
finally, the bathroom skull equipped with the emperors holy 3-ply
It isn't golden so obviously not the emperor's
thin ibex
its a chrismtas clue at the big iron hands secret release and lore drop
thin ibex
im meming cause i think they never will, but id be definitely down in reality
My other meme response is "It's another Ultramarines Lieutenant, possibly in normal intercessor armor"
naive abyss
Like a bit of my scars fan would hurt but I do also like hands lol
junior robin
my hopes are that it is from a multi-part inquisitor kit with all the options from their original release 🥺
naive abyss
That'd be cool
solemn gull
I prefer making my own inquisitors
They are so individualistic and each one can be the complete opposite of another
junior robin
same, got a radical xeno somewhere I made with a necrons destroyer torso and space marine bits
thin ibex
id like to just have a complex inquisitor kit
that lets you do a bunch of alternative set ups and builds
junior robin
tempted now to build a ordo xenos in a tau crisis suit using karamazov's rules 
junior robin
sadly wont have time for building stuff atm, need to prepare for christmas 
pulsar cairn
btw
how did the inquisition's war with the space wolves end?
they got to an agreement or something?
thin ibex
ultimately it ended in the inquisition buggering off iirc
thin ibex
depends on which one you're talking about
pulsar cairn
i remember it being like... someone got something wrong and it started a fight?
thin ibex
one of the earlier ones was that Logan Grimnar did not appreciate the purge protocols enacted against the guard regiments that helped win the war on Armageddon against the Daemonic incursion; so he stepped in. Inquisition didn't like that so they escalated, so then did Logan and the wolves
pulsar cairn
was that the one where they decapitated a grey knight?
thin ibex
Another one was cause by an ecclissiarchal missionary coming to Fenris expecting to be allowed to attempt to convert Fenrisians/assess the faith of Fenris and claims of pagan gods. They got told to fuck off with orbital lasers. They came back later with a ecclesiarchal fleet, and the Wolves again told them to fuck off, with sword and bolter
thin ibex
<:vicksyThink:996566524225663086> was that the one where they decapitated a gre...
yeah thats the one, Logan decapitated a GK grandmaster
and then effectively walked out unscathed
pulsar cairn
what about those guard regiments?
bright dove
Successfully saved and fine, iirc
thin ibex
many of them were later killed anyway
bright dove
Ahhh shoot
pulsar cairn
aw
pulsar cairn
space wolves are cool
thin ibex
effectively, by the space wolves sheilding the guard ships, the lord inquisitor and grey knights felt it necessary to burn the worlds the guard regiments arrived at instead
it culminated in the inquisitor trying to threaten fleet scale destruction of fenris if the chapter didn't submit to a penitent crusade
oh hey also i think the tale got changed a bit
and the grey kngihts actually disrupted logan's teleporting back out, and there was a brief scuffle between his wolf guard and the GK
they still ultimately got out tho
with no losses as i understand it
after that for a while SW ships hunted inquisition and GK ships with no quarter
pulsar cairn
yeah, it ended up a lot worse then it had to be
but I can't blame the wolves for attempting to stop that 
thin ibex
the fleet scale engagement over Fenris ended with Bjorn telling Logan to chill after he killed the inquisitor lord, and both sides agreed to back off
but both sides have a lot of animosity for each other in the segmentum
It's never been addressed how the SW managed to outright rebel against the inquisition without being branded traitors
but it does stand out as one of the main times its happened
pulsar cairn
probably just plot armor
the Dark Angels kill inquisition agents all the time but they do it quietly
thin ibex
it is also a thing in setting that the Inquisition doesn't actually have complete authority over space marines, and a lot of narrative involve the ways that relationship gets stressed
pulsar cairn
that reminds me, now the dark angels have a handful of Horus heresy marines
pulsar cairn
it is also a thing in setting that the Inquisition doesn't actually have complet...
it probably depends on the Author then
thin ibex
Inquisitors having quite a lot of power, but not actually having absolute authority over a space marine chapter
pulsar cairn
the way things go that is
thin ibex
Space marines in general have quite a lot of autonomy within the imperiums hierarchy
Mostly what binds them is often old oaths or agreements
rather than any specific body having authority over them
thin ibex
i agree
bright dove
If the Inquisition pushes on a Chapter, they're in Fuck Around territory
Much like pushing on the AdMech
thin ibex
They have a lot of levers and a lot of ways to apply the power they have, but ultimately do not have control or authority over those forces
some inquisitors act otherwise, or try to
bright dove
You gotta be sure that's a fight you want
thin ibex
some SM chapters also have a lot more political clout to throw around, generally first founding chapters are a lot harder to fuck with for the inquisition
bright dove
And Emperor help you if you try to pull shit like that on the Salamanders
thin ibex
Blood Angels have, in the current setting, possibly the most political clout of any chapter, with I think Ultamarines maybe coming second
bright dove
Ooooooo, impressive impressive
thin ibex
because Commander Dante is the lord regent of imperium nihlus
thin ibex
and ultramines are the scions of guilliman, imperial regent and lord commander
I think after that, DA might have a lot of political clout as 1st legion/1st chapter; but also they probably lose a fair amount with their secretive and taciturn attitude
SW cash in their clout by literally fighting imperial agents who want to fuck around
bright dove
Salamanders trade clout for their frankly horrific losses
thin ibex
Lamenters 🤝 Salamanders
white mural
Does anyone know exactly what the “Leader’s cult weapon” is for acolyte hybrids my best guess is this the whop
thin ibex
i think the idea is anything you want, but as far as whats in the sprue, no idea
probably just something that looks kind of unique
bright dove
The poor Salamanders agreeing to the codex astartes split because they basically had only a chapter worth of marines left anyways
jaunty dawn
less than
bright dove
Yeah
The harsh reality of "We took 60% casualty rates so the civilians could have near zero"
floral herald
Wasn't that just them being involved with Istvaan in a big way?
bright dove
Istvaan was 80% iirc
thin ibex
it kinda speaks to their legendary resilience that they came out of istvaan with as many survivors as they did
considering how heavily the odds were stacked against them
jaunty dawn
istvaan is what made them a shattered legion
bright dove
The Salamanders consistently come out their engagements with a lot of dead marines
jaunty dawn
but then on top of that they ended up even smaller than iron hands and raven guard
bright dove
They flirt with being just gone fairly consistently
jaunty dawn
both of which had like 3+ chapters after the codex came
thin ibex
raven guard managed to do the escape thing relatively speaking quickly; iirc they came back later to find corvus had just been chillin on planet for a long time right?
jaunty dawn
if by chillin you mean a one man guerilla campaign one handing a heavy bolter yeah
thin ibex
yeah thats the one
floral herald
The RG also iirc engaged in a really extreme rebuilding attempt during the scouring
But got mauled just about as badly at Istvaan
bright dove
Salamanders tend to have good recruitment rates, even if they they take longer
thin ibex
Corvus has never forgiven Lorgar, even to this day, he's become like a shadow daemon with one objective, to fuck his shit up
bright dove
Largely because the Salamanders throw themselves in the way of any bug problems and wrestle them to a stop
Big problem
jaunty dawn
hope the second primarch wave eventually includes istvaan corvus
he did have rules in 1e
thin ibex
i do think corvus would be a cool addition for a less martial primarch
bright dove
Yeee
thin ibex
im also a raven guard fan, mostly because of their more conservative combat style
they often feel like, though, a legion best used in combination with other legions tbh
rather than their own thing
or chapter
a chapter best used in combination with others
as superior scouts and infiltrators
tired cairn
Does anyone know exactly what the “Leader’s cult weapon” is for acolyte hybrids ...
From 9th edition:
The Acolyte Leader’s autopistol can be replaced with one of the following: 1 cult bonesword (maximum 1 per model); 1 cult lash whip (maximum 1 per model).
But I agree you can give them whatever so long as you can tell who the leader is
bright dove
The Raven Guard will forever fight as if they are understrength
thin ibex
time to make some raven guard lists
white mural
From 9th edition:
> The Acolyte Leader’s autopistol can be replaced with one of ...
Ah Thankies
The whip is just amazing looking
jaunty dawn
yeah it's basically all the melee weapons other than the default claw and knife have the same profile
so regardless of whether you give them the mini bonesword or whip or convert something else it just uses the cult weapon profile
thin ibex
Sometimes I wonder if every RG has the same hair as Kayvann Shrike
pulsar cairn
do we have any examples of admech facing off with the inquisition?
jaunty dawn
manifesting lorgar transfigured istvaan corvus KHAN ON A BIKE
thin ibex
thin ibex
Scouts are DIRT cheap
This list lacks good AT but excellent objective control
And lot of redeploy shenanigans
If the map permits, just being hard to deal with and moving around heavier targets rather than needing to exactly address them might be the strategy
bright dove
And that's super Raven Guard
upper canopy
Man the months of shame need a revisit
Like you'd think Fenris getting blown up would have the Inqusition coming back and bopping the SW once and for all
thin ibex
id actually just like it spelled out by what mechanism that tension has persisted without Logan and the wolves getting excommunicated. My mental theory is that it has a lot to do with the amount of political clout the wolves have in the imperium, up to very high levels, but it'd be nice to get an explanation
I dunno if I'd think that I'd expect the inquisition to try and remove the space wolves during a time when the imperium is split in 2 and tje wolves largely administrate to a region of space pretty much on their own
especially with the concerns around roboute and the indomitus crusade are ongoing
though I would have expected some kind of assassination plot by the inquisition targeting roboute at some point
thin ibex
nah, but it did take the biggest beating its ever faced from magnus' machinations
upper canopy
The entire population had to be killed and its borderline uninhabitable
upper canopy
id actually just like it spelled out by what mechanism that tension has persiste...
Personally I think it'd be more interesting if the Wolves just didn't
Have clout
Because yes people like them saving them but mavericks with no friends who arrogantly believe themselves to be the best probably can't realpolitik too well
thin ibex
I also feel like just destroying the wolves isn't very interesting
And also if the Wolve just "didn't" than what is the alternative explanation?
floral herald
id actually just like it spelled out by what mechanism that tension has persiste...
The wolves are one of the "big three" space marine warlords which run a lot of the Imperium in Guilliman's name now
(The other two being Dante and Calgar)
thin ibex
oh yeah im aware, they're also collectively the former Big Three heroes of the Imperium
Logan, Dante, and Calgar
Logan generally feels like he gets the least screen time, but he has the feats at least
probably also cause he has to share space wolves screen time with ragnar
tired cairn
Man, how did space marines start running a bunch of the Imperium lol
thin ibex
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Ultramarines and space wolves been at it for a long ass time
Blood angels less so until recently, but they also maintain some fairly close ties with their successor chapters
naive abyss
Turns out having an extralegal super soldier military complex comes with complications lol
solemn gull
It's never been addressed how the SW managed to outright rebel against the inqui...
Late to the convo but RIP the celstial lions
Tragically all killed by ork snipers
pastel rampart
It would be very funny if it ends up it was ork snipers but the information was suppressed because that'd be incredibly embarassing for everyone involved.
thin ibex
several layers deep
there was an assassination force, that got killed by ork snipers
and then the ork snipers killed the celestial lions
question, if someone gave you a list building prompt "Flowers" with no army selection, what would be your first pick
I'm almost thinking nurgle
solemn gull
I mean it’s already pretty confirmed when in the book Spear of the Emperor ||The inquisition sends a culuxis assassin ACROSS THE GREAT RIFT to finish off the surviving celstial lions dooming the sector.||
Which is a pretty dramatic fuck you
solemn gull
Inquisition would be the type to say a chapter master tragically shot himself with 4 meltaguns in the back
bright dove
I'm almost thinking nurgle
Or Drukhari
pulsar cairn
people talk a lot about corvus going renegade and i understand that
did he have a good relationship with any of his brothers
?
naive abyss
The khan maybe
pulsar cairn
you know of any interactions between the 2?
topaz elk
Corvus, kinda fitting tbh, mostly had a cordial relationship with his brothers
With a few standouts of hatred
But that was mostly after they went renegade
pulsar cairn
also Horus
bright dove
And Horus, but thatgot settled
thin ibex
I forget and can't check rn but big e also did corvus dirty iirc
Got him into a no win scenario around nuking a town?
bright dove
I don't recall
But he was on the Angron end of the spectrum in terms of "I'm pretty sure Dad's a horrible tyrant"
Iirc
naive abyss
More like khan in that regard
Angron was mostly just bitter and well angry
Meanwhile corvus and khan constantly called out the bullshit
bright dove
Rightfully angry
solemn gull
Angron was betrayed
jaunty dawn
only lorgar actually did anything about his objections
solemn gull
Emperor didn’t even care about helping him
naive abyss
~~only lorgar actually did anything about his objections~~
I mean you're not wrong lol
jaunty dawn
hehe
naive abyss
Like khan thought about fucking off but ultimately didn't lol
solemn gull
I hope we get to see more of the word bearers vs ultramarines soon
Lorgar v guilloman is possible now
pulsar cairn
i want someone to give lorgar a wedgie
pastel rampart
Corax more or less did that.
unless you mean Lothar Bubonicus, a lesser-known nurgle champion
pulsar cairn
nah, i meant lorgar 
naive abyss
proud wing
I'm reasonably proud of my work converting this shotgun to a Webber with almost zero previous Blender experience. I know it's not good, but it's also not bad, and I don't think it should stand out when painted properly
dense sedge
my rogue trader game had some memory issues and ocmpletely reset my progress on one fo the maps, forcing me to redo a bunch of the fights
pulsar cairn
so uh
cadian troops were probably allowed to know about daemons and stuff since they had to fight em very very often
but dang the inquisition annoys me with that purging everyone who knows about it
that's probably like the largest threat to the imperium
if not the nids
ebon forge
Ok so 👏
remember that interview of the Rogue Trader writer sayuing
"Oh we aren't Baldur's Gate 3 where very party member is fuckable"
FIRST INTERACTION AFTER I GOT THIS PARTY MEMBER
And I was just nice to her
storm schooner
There's a Rogue Trader forum in the video game Forum
ebon forge
I posted here because we where having a discussion about this topic yesterday
storm schooner
fair
ebon forge
The TL;DR; is "Why the fuck the only m/m option is with the Dark Eldar" while in interviews the writers said 'oh we want more LGBT stuff... but we won't cuz writing for straight people is just better"
And another spookperson of the same company compared making every companion bi being equal into allowing us to have an Ork companion
In conclusion
And now that I am actually playing, after all that shit storm
I find funny that I can already start wanting to fuck a companion so soon
ergo
past sphinx
The swashbuckling rogue grindset
ebon forge
Ah yes
The Commander Shepard grindset
https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect3-report-to-the-ship-as-soon-as-possible-well-bang-ok-gif-17369371
past sphinx
Owlcats writing can be
Well
There's a reason the good bits are ripped right from the adventure paths
Game play is good but when an npc opens their mouth its a crapshoot
ebon forge
Wendwag was fun but
Yeah...
tired cairn
I saw Perun's play through that scene. Way too many cringe options to hit on the recently traumatized navigator
You can also be a huge dick to her lol
ebon forge
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah like
Why dude
the writer was all upty about not wanting to be a orgy and then alreadY
That
Also
no Orks
Fucking cowards
"But too silly"
Alright, Ogryn it is >:V
ebon forge
There's a reason the good bits are ripped right from the adventure paths
Also yeah, same company that only added te Kitsune race as playable in the last game because people complained
tired cairn
Though, my impression is the "let's go to my chambers" option will not work
ebon forge
I hope so
past sphinx
Orks are silly if you've never considered trying to fist fight a gorilla
naive abyss
ebon forge
https://vxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1733502120853139701?t=eG-S59F9aU_CiV0m5KZ...
I HAVE A
GIGANTIC
NEED
naive abyss
Lol
ebon forge
I love how Mike Brook write Orks
He gets it
For a second I though the Ork happer was a banjo
See? Because of the cape
upper canopy
We finally have a bad moon character
junior robin
he aint no Nazdreg Ug Urdgrub, but as they say, "never look a gift ork in the mouth"
naive abyss
solemn gull
Is that the same ork from the brutal kunning book
upper canopy
Is that the same ork from the brutal kunning book
proud wing
solemn gull
Luv recasting
white mural
Lmao
white mural
And another spookperson of the same company compared making every companion bi b...
Dumbass
pastel rampart
i think this one may be a DA thing
Soulblight, part of the new "Nightmare Blunt Rotation" unit.
naive abyss
snrk
ngl i really want a lady named dorf for KO
also some more lady dorf art i found for KO
kraglan would be a great add imo
this quote goes so hard
storm schooner
I assume she means the person who said that about adding more romance options
ebon forge
oh, agreed
white mural
having an ork companion also sounds cool and I’m for that
ebon forge
Same, but
oh well
jaunty dawn
having a deldar and not an ork/kroot is kinda weird
like all of the above are reasonable for rt
upper canopy
I think a Kroot would've been fun
jaunty dawn
but kroot and orks are like. way more common
white mural
Kroot would make the most sense out of any Xeno
But old Rogue trader lore has orc mercenaries hired by rogue traders too
upper canopy
I mean Deldar ARE playable in the RPG
floral herald
All 3 are playable in the RT rpg yeah
jaunty dawn
my hot take is adding any romances at all without adding a kroot and or an ork is a failure
for the setting
floral herald
Though I think deldar make a more interesting character than orks at least
white mural
my hot take is adding any romances at all without adding a kroot and or an ork i...
I have to agree
jaunty dawn
but romances are actually relatively speaking so little writing it's a false comparison
but they made it first lol
ebon forge
having a deldar and not an ork/kroot is kinda weird
Yeah, is almost ludricous having a Drukhari
white mural
The cool xenos are the focus not fucking a sister of battle or a delf
storm schooner
Kroot are cool and fun
The Drukhari are losers
ebon forge
my hot take is adding any romances at all without adding a kroot and or an ork i...
As I said before
On the writer's part
Oh no
but don't worry
You have
mutant* woman to fuck
proud wing
i mean
ebon forge
All I wanted was a Brogryn...
proud wing
is there any precedent in warhammer media for orks teaming up with other races for non-war endeavors?
proud wing
huh
ebon forge
do tell :Oc
jaunty dawn
there's an entire subfaction of them
naive abyss
they are common mercs
ebon forge
Oh yeah BloodAxes
jaunty dawn
they can be sanctioned xenos
jaunty dawn
I don't think necrons get sanctioned lol
storm schooner
is there any precedent in warhammer media for orks teaming up with other races f...
I mean directly in the Rogue Trader ttrpg especially yes
jaunty dawn
one sentient enough to be sanctioned wouldn't want to be
storm schooner
I doubt a Necron would really work for a rogue trader
jaunty dawn
i mean you could do it if you wanted
storm schooner
As like Penny said at that point of sentience is probably feels above that
jaunty dawn
but we're talking about orks here because it's a regular thing with like
a whole economy around it
freebootaz
ebon forge
freebootaz
GIMME YA HAT
ebon forge
Pretty much
Honestly is probbaly just hte writer fetish
He likes masochistic males and irks funni orki V:
white mural
What are the WLW relationships that are possible in the game?
ebon forge
Jae Heydari is Bi
Heinrix van Calox romances females
Cassia Orsellio romances males
Marazhai (Dark eldar) is bi
Yrliet (Eldar) is bi
white mural
Damn only men get a hottie psycher mama
ebon forge
Cassia is super useful, The Commissar line is super powerful
But her combat dialog is tiresome "Uhhnnnnnn whyyyy me a noobblee is doing that?! ?!w1 fiiiiiiiiineeeeeee"
white mural
All the lesbians I know love prissy monster girls
Missed opportunity is all I’m saying
storm schooner
i mean, all the lesbians I know would go wild for Space Nun
white mural
Also truw
ebon forge
For me
I wish himthe best
white mural
All the lesbians I know who play Warhammer (most my friends) would go wild for a SoB
white mural
For me
I wish himthe best
Looks like someone my gay manager would be into
He says he’s into men who look like they would call him a f-slur and beat him up
storm schooner
people don't always want what's healthiest
ebon forge
people don't always want what's healthiest
...
Ok fair
white mural
When I was a manger at Arby’s all 7 of the managers where into being choked
upper canopy
all 7 managers while you worked as manager huh
white mural
🤔
storm schooner
...
Ok fair
Pipeline? Like the thing they put Gas through? Is it supposed to taste like underground gas transport?
white mural
Instead of gamer piss yeah
ebon forge
Look all I though when I saw that was
"FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR FEMBOY FLAVOUR"
Because this stupid meme kept repeating in my head everytime I saw it
storm schooner
All I can think about is Pipeline explosions but that's not really out of character or even neccicerally effected by the drink flavour name
upper canopy
Also I'd not be surprised if a Freeboota is added as a DLC character
I think that probably makes more sense tbh
white mural
All I can think about is a book I read in college called “how to blow up a pipeline”
ebon forge
Also I'd not be surprised if a Freeboota is added as a DLC character
I would kill for it
But if the devs are that pissy about what xenos get added in, I won't count on it
upper canopy
Because an ork kinda inherently is going to have less character development and main plot relevance but mechanically is gonna be a fun time
white mural
It’s actually a neat exploration of when is it socially acceptable for a movement to use violence
storm schooner
Also I'd not be surprised if a Freeboota is added as a DLC character
I think they've said something about the currently planned DLC's only including human Companions
But I don't have a source for that so
white mural
I want a Genestealer magus mommy to step on me
storm schooner
uuurrgghhh
I don't remember where I even read that, so don't assume it's true.
Use it as a thing to do research if you want to
ebon forge
I want a Genestealer magus mommy to step on me
ebon forge
I don't remember where I even read that, so don't assume it's true.
fair
white mural
I say way more out of pocket things all the time
white mural
When I was a manger at Arby’s all 7 of the managers where into being choked
Like this
ebon forge
At least we have a Tech-Priest ❤️
brittle salmon
Hey, folks, please keep it PG-13 in here
white mural
Tech priests are one of the most recognizeable things in the series
brittle salmon
There are children in this server; cheers
white mural
Gotcha will tone it down
I do got to be the one to say this has been PG 13 according to the actual guidelines of the MPAA
Austin powers for example
brittle salmon
I don't particularly want to split hairs over it, y'know?
white mural
Not trying to just wanted to point out a small quirk in language
brittle salmon
Fair enough
obsidian flume
I will say, Warhammer is the perfect place for like The Worst Couples Ever
Toxic Codependent Nurlge Worshipper Couple
Tzeentch cultist GF who frames you for cheating on her to see how you react and is constantly playing games with everyone's feelings
High ranking imperials who are gay but in like the roman way
star crossed romance between a Craftworld eldar and Dark Eldar but like the Dark Eldar isn't based or anything
past sphinx
Come to think of it having a space marine and not a kroot in rogue trader feels very odd
Had plenty of kroot but the ttrpgs pretty actively steer around stompys
Hell there's like all of 1 Canon marine in DH and he's a lone dreadnought guarding a shrine
floral herald
There’s more than one
One of the earlier published modules features a Deathwatch marine
soft willow
Space Marines are the third power tier in the OG Dark Heresy system.
floral herald
Admittedly “there’s actually two” supports your point but he’s a fun NPC
soft willow
Necromunda Scrungo level is Dark Heresy
Actually has shit and is doing stuff Imperials is Rogue Trader
Space Marines argue the codex is Deathwatch.
And there were rules for porting characters up to the next power level up that chain.
floral herald
Barely, you just brought them in at the appropriate amount of XP and they were usually really OP haha
upper canopy
And then you have Dark Heresy asenscion characters
soft willow
Yup.
jaunty dawn
you traded progression ceiling for progression floor
floral herald
Ascension was technically deathwatch tier in terms of XP but it was uhhh
Not even internally balanced before you broke out any other splats
jaunty dawn
but if you never actually reached the progression ceiling it was just free better character
jaunty dawn
you could play a gk in ascension I think
upper canopy
And yet above all of them stands the true king of the FFG 40k systems
A Techpriest using the Lathe Worlds book
soft willow
Assuming you could find the book yeah.
floral herald
you could play a gk in ascension I think
It wasn’t ascension it was a weird tie in to Blood of Martyrs iirc
One of the later splats
floral herald
Lathe worlds is where the game kinda broke
jaunty dawn
the wings were cool
floral herald
That and everything after it (book of judgement, blood of martyrs, crime book) was kind of fucked balance wise
Not that DH was well balanced before then but it was better
pastel rampart
jaunty dawn
is power armour not a forklift if you really think about it
past sphinx
No but terminator armor is
jaunty dawn
tactical dreadnought armour is whatever they use to lift forklifts
dense sedge
Ok so 👏
remember that interview of the Rogue Trader writer sayuing
"Oh we aren...
She’s the only one like that tbf
crisp lance
hes certified
proud wing
considering how space marines are bigger than humans and that seat looks too big for him
that is a very big forklift
crisp lance
fair
solemn gull
also some more lady dorf art i found for KO
aww kharadon women don't have beards?
how can you call yourself a dwarf without a HUUUUUGGEE BEARD
naive abyss
warhammer dwarfs historically dont have beards
solemn gull
The 10 year long Only War campaign
lmao what
solemn gull
warhammer dwarfs historically dont have beards
Not even a moustache? 😢
solemn gull
woah
naive abyss
tbh id like them to have mutton chops or etc but like id still rather not have them just fulll bearded personally
upper canopy
So if you have an incredibly long running Only War campaign you'd have a character with 100 in every stat
solemn gull
That sounds hilariously broken
upper canopy
You'd have to be playing the game in an incredibly, impossibly esoteric way to accomplish this.
It's just a funny lack of a level cap.
solemn gull
I mean yeah surviving for any amount of time in Only War is pretty hard
naive abyss
tbh id like them to have mutton chops or etc but like id still rather not have t...
as an example of what i mean. also cw for nonsexual nipple lol
solemn gull
I just associate dwarves with being short and bearded
take out the beards and that's half a dwarf
naive abyss
i mean again you can evoke that without just carbon copying them but adding breasts
like too me dwarfs are dense, short, and hairy
like they should be at least half as wide as they are tall
and failing facial hair having hairy arms and etc
dame knight spotted
fuck yeahhhhhhh
soft willow
Lords of the Lance you say?
white mural
But there’s no Genestealer cult ladies
naive abyss
there are some
not many but some
but outside of marines theres decent selections for most factions now
still not as good as aos is about it generally speaking but were getting there at least lol
white mural
There’s 3 for GSC
naive abyss
@upper canopy
white mural
We love that
naive abyss
unironically seeing a dame knigh in the new plastic foot knights made me begin to be a bit more positive about old world
cuz hell yeah dame knights
white mural
Women uwu
naive abyss
tru
sinful merlin
There's a couple random heads between the atalan jackals and the ridge runner (maybe the Goliath as well?) but yeah other than that it's just the jackal alphus, magos, and saboteur
sinful merlin
Same 😀
sinful merlin
But there’s no Genestealer cult ladies
though also if you don't mind a less genestealer culty head the cadian upgrade sprue has a few lady heads without helmets on that would maybe fit
white mural
Anvil games has some good third party femme Genestealer heads
Saboteur is amazing
Tempted to get her next
pastel rampart
https://anvilindustry.co.uk/female-alien-hybrid-heads Yeah I was just about to link them lmao
past sphinx
Escher ash wastes heads
jaunty dawn
spent an hour or two working on an autogun because if gw won't sell me a multipart cultist kit I'll just have to make my own
planning on making it compatible with the anvil industry rifle arms rn. we'll see
naive abyss
isnt there a multipart cultist kit?
did i make that up in my brain?
yeah these dudes right?
jaunty dawn
they're monopose