Warhammer and Such

[floral herald]

Are they?

[junior robin]

just want to say I already own 20+ armies in different stages of completion so you dont have to try and convince me to get goblins as well :v

[thin ibex]

yeah after points cost reductions for them, they got rather large in number to field a full army

[desert jay]

Oh go paint your pile of shame first

[ebon forge]

oh... huh

[thin ibex]

some recent tourney winners were go-wide lists

for tau i mean

[pastel rampart]

Like aside from the "crusade" lettering it's very simple shapes with minimal highlighting; there's maybe two colors with the gold yellow, the armor is lumpy circles, and the face has no details.

It looks good but it's using some tricks to make the simplicity more detailed than it is.

[floral herald]

I guess if you run a lot of kroot

[ebon forge]

will keep that in midn, thanks.

[floral herald]

It’s weird I think points costs have mostly gone up which makes armies feel less horde-y to me but also I think normal army sizes have increased some so it counterbalances

Tau don’t feel super horde-y to me at 10 ppm infantry

[thin ibex]

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[junior robin]

though I could do a 5 unit army if I go with spider goblins...

[floral herald]

That’s really impressive osl

[thin ibex]

Just incase it didn't embed

[thin ibex]

So after the points reduction, my 1k points army went down to line 700 and some change, which is huge as far as how many more units you can fit into it

[floral herald]

Yeah that’s pretty wild

[floral herald]

It's interesting to see the "traditional" (imo) niche of the Tau kind of disappear like that but I expect it happens every so often with relatively frequent points changes

[tired cairn]

An issue of using points as the easy balance lever, is lowering them to fix problems with an army turns it a bit into a horde army (see AdMech, Votann and Death Guard)

[floral herald]

I think LoV were always intended to be a little more horde-y than their initial points were

[thin ibex]

which niche do you mean? Castling?

[jaunty dawn]

my dad went wild and did a big fw necromunda order that arrived today

[tired cairn]

Fair, their army rule certainly works better with a horde

[floral herald]

So when I started playing Tau their niche was basically mediocre units backed up with EXTREMELY good wargear

Fire Warrior's weren't all that good in a vacuum (just imperial guardsman with I2 and carapace) but the pulse rifle was pretty much the best line infantry gun in the game

[jaunty dawn]

and they donated a van saar heavy and half the van saar ash waste upgrades to me 🥺

[thin ibex]

i do think that on average, tau firewarriors have some of the best basic infantry guns out there still

[floral herald]

Similarly battlesuits had pretty mid WS/BS and LD but were saved by breaking most of the rules for movement and shooting

[thin ibex]

thats also kind of a bit of how it is

with a 4+BS standard

but there are almost no real wargear options beyond the gun choices these days

really boiled down to weapon support or suit support

[floral herald]

I'm not sure about that, bolt rifles feel fairly competitive and heavy bolt rifles are just better

There was supposed to be a reply there but Discord ate it

But my overall point is just that Tau used to be a fairly low model count army and it seems that they need weight of numbers more now

But also the niche I'm talking about was 4-5 editions ago

[thin ibex]

indeed they do yeah

as far as the bolt rifle question, i do agree that its competetive, but at the end of the day, it wounds a space marine on a 4, the pulse rifle wounds a space marine on a 3 at 6" further out. The heavy bolt rifle on the heavy intercessors are a stronger comparative point, but if we're bringing in multiple basic infantries, the breachers are also shooting at str 6. I think the bolt weapons compete well, but I do think for the points cost and range, Tau infantry guns win out

[jaunty dawn]

bolt rifle is good because its got assault mainly

[floral herald]

I'm just talking about the gun

Back in 4-6e there wasn't a basic imperium gun which competed with the pulse rifle well

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah pulse weapons were like

there was no other s5 infantry weapon

[floral herald]

(I think only eldar/DE ones really did at all in general and most of that was rending and poison)

[jaunty dawn]

and now we have custodes and heavy bolt rifles and fuckin. fleshborers of all things

[thin ibex]

i do like the current focus faction wise on enabling fast moving shooters; but i do sometimes miss the firm gunline of fire warriors as the core to any army

[floral herald]

Looking at it its actually kind of funny that Fire Warriors have barely changed from 4e

[thin ibex]

everyone and their mother kinda just wants to run a gazillion crisis suits these days

[jaunty dawn]

6-12

[thin ibex]

with some rare examples of people who like tau tanks or broadsides fielding those

[jaunty dawn]

they gained unique drones and that's pretty much it

[floral herald]

and 2" of range for pulse carbines but I don't think that's very important haha

[thin ibex]

pulse carbines even today have a rough time getting picked

especially with how breachers exist

[floral herald]

oh and carbines lost pinning yikes

gun comparison

[thin ibex]

they're also not eve nassault anymore lol

[tired cairn]

What did pinning do?

[jaunty dawn]

couldn't rapid fire if you moved then as well

uh it's basically what screamer killers and infernus marines get

[floral herald]

Yeah high range on rapid fire used to matter more since you had to stand still to shoot out to full range

[jaunty dawn]

leadership test if you take any wounds

[tired cairn]

The not having a default weapon type was a good change, but man am I said at the tyranid weapons not all being assault now

[thin ibex]

wouldve been nice to see some sort of niche incentive to take carbine tbh

[floral herald]

The pinning was from the underslung grenade launchers iirc

[jaunty dawn]

like storm bolters used to only get 2 shots the assault was the gamechanger

[floral herald]

Yeah, though more for units which weren't termies

Since IIRC Slow and Purposeful made assault kind of redundant

[thin ibex]

im actually not sure what id give carbines currently. Assault seems the obvious pick, but im sure they could be more interesting

[floral herald]

makes these 0CP on units with em

[jaunty dawn]

mm

[thin ibex]

oh yeah i think that'd be great for it

[jaunty dawn]

4+ overwatch into grenades haha

[floral herald]

I think the idea with them was to use them as fast advancing screening infantry in devilfishes but I don't remember many times when they've been a super compelling option

[thin ibex]

it works, they're at a shorter range, they're likely gonna die to whatever gets in on the charge

i suspect if breachers werent the automatic obvious choice for that, they'd be really cool in devilfish

[jaunty dawn]

in 4e

[floral herald]

Yeah Breachers are kind of just the Cooler Carbine Fire Warriors

[jaunty dawn]

didn't need completely assault for rapid fire reasons but still needed it for shoot and charge

[floral herald]

Oh my god I forgot how sloooooow 4e termies were

(I played a lot more 5e than 4e)

[pastel rampart]

Typically ignored by like half the armies at any given time.

[jaunty dawn]

mmm

[thin ibex]

i already had said this a while back, but i also wish the burst cannons had sus-hits or something lol

[floral herald]

Yeah Pinning was kind of a meme rule

[storm schooner]

Leadership isnt real

it's a funny joke GW tells each edition

[floral herald]

My orks were immune to it if they had 11+ models in a unit lol

[jaunty dawn]

it's actually pretty scary in horus heresy though which is cool

[thin ibex]

i dislike how the ion gun on crisis suits are the end all be all best choice, rather than a competetive choice

[jaunty dawn]

nemesis bolter squads are one of the big meta picks

[pastel rampart]

Fearless ignored pinning. Tyranids in synapse range got fearless, orks above a certain size got fearless, Necrons with Ld10 effectively ignored it, marks of chaos got fearless, uuuuh SMs had ATSKNF which ignored a bunch of shit.

[thin ibex]

though i do think missiles are worse than the ion blasters, the missiles are probably the next best competitor

[floral herald]

I don't remember everything ATSKNF did

[thin ibex]

I think battleshock was a move in the right direction and not having every single faction completely ignore it was correct; but i think its not as impactful as it should be imo

[floral herald]

shit was such a complicated rule for a flagship army haha

[jaunty dawn]

automatically regroup I thiiiink?

at some point at least

[floral herald]

I think they also ignored negative modifiers to leadership

[jaunty dawn]

but yeah morale was so nothing

[floral herald]

It mattered some for Imperial Guard, Tau and Eldar mostly iirc

[pastel rampart]

2. If an enemy sweeping advance contacts them they regroup automatically. Lesser troops have to risk a regroup test in these circumstances and are destroyed if they fail.

3. They do not have to take a test to regroup, instead doing it automatically.

4. They regroup at the end of their fall back move rather than at the start of their next move so get back into action quicker.```

[jaunty dawn]

except in cases like riptides not taking drones because if they lost one the riptide might run away cause they technically lost 50% of the unit at one point iirc

[floral herald]

Oh and Black Templars but that was mostly Accept Any Challenge No Matter The Odds

[pastel rampart]

SMs usually had a high Ld score, around 9 or 10 depending, so pinning didn't do a whole lot to them unless you somehow slapped some negatives on them.

[floral herald]

Which was a really fun rule I should add

(Test leadership on every wound taken not just when you hit half strength or whatever)

(Fall forward if you pass)

[jaunty dawn]

truly just loyalist berserkers

[deft crest]

This model is so sick I love how well that was done

(That was a reply to the ork smoking earlier)

[floral herald]

BT are one of my favorite loyalist chapters they're so nasty

I'd be more inclined to collect them but I also have some Black Legion models

I can't just paint all my power armor black can I?

(Raven Guard are also very cool)

[thin ibex]

you see that we might be getting some narrative rules for the raptors?

[jaunty dawn]

I'm just gonna get some and paint them red

[floral herald]

I've never been terribly keen on the Raptors but I hadn't heard about that

[thin ibex]

ahh you'd mentioned the raven guard, figured a successor might be of interest too, but yeah

[jaunty dawn]

it was in the sunday preview for white dwarf

[thin ibex]

looks like we might be getting additional lore and some crusade stuff for them

[floral herald]

I like the raven guard cause of how they're sort of tragic and revolutionary

[jaunty dawn]

index astartes

[floral herald]

It's probably unfair but I tend to see the Raptors as catering to a very annoying "competencyjerk" kind of sci-fi fan

[jaunty dawn]

I mean basically

to an extent

a lot of their development was in imperial armour too

so they're more fw style

[thin ibex]

thats fair, I kinda liked raptors as the in-universe sensible marines vibe myself

[jaunty dawn]

think there's just fans of that style who aren't jerky haha

like the astartes short

[thin ibex]

the raptors also bear some resemblance to the Astartes' creator's retributors yeah

i kinda like it, sometimes, when the basic combat unit is utilizing basic space marine gear to frightening effect

like combat knives and bolters

and grenades

[jaunty dawn]

the space marine video game is good for that

like you can spec tactical marine into combat knife and just use a regular bolter and it's still awesome

mainly in versatility

[thin ibex]

100%, thats how i ran in game for a lot of the time

surprisingly capable of dealing with most problems effectively

[jaunty dawn]

one of the reasons I like the 10e bolt rifle cause it was like

they were willing to make the basic troop just really good at using a bolter

[pulsar cairn]

Penny my birthday is arriving in 10 days!, may i press the exterminatus button?

[thin ibex]

i really enjoyed how in Astartes, the knives and the bolter and bolt pistols were enough for almost everything, with the plasma pistol being this set piece power item for stand out moments; there was no need for heavily adorned power swords, thunder hammers, power fists. No melta guns, no flamers or missiles

just tactical marines with a violent purpose applying their basic gear with aptitude

[jaunty dawn]

maaaybe

the psyker fight is my favourite in astartes

but also yeah the way the plasma pistol is more of a like utility option than the sergeants main sidearm

[unreal cosmos]

I love that scene because I had no idea what those guys' deal was

[thin ibex]

i do wonder how the astartes creator would handle some of the more... prolific space marine pieces of war gear, like a comically oversized power fist or a disproportionately large power sword

[ebon forge]

"Brother Iam pinned here"
probably

[desert jay]

Excuse me, the power fist is perfectly sized for punching tanks

[thin ibex]

lol

even noting how the model's scaling intentionally exagerrates weapon size

power fists often look so big that i question how one could even throw a punch with it

rather than just trying to grab or club with it

[desert jay]

If I was trying to ground a really big power sword in animation it would probably be handled like a traditional zweihander

[thin ibex]

i do love the idea of the power fist being more oriented around being like a pneumatic gripper and just crushing things or squeezing things

well the main issue i think about with zweihander depiction and montant depiction vs the space marine sword, is the proportionate scaling of the handle and guard comparative to the way the armor affects freedom of movement

also, wielding a zwei indoors is a particular challenge, even one with a power field and used in a more spearlike method

[desert jay]

That is a good point, you'd have to lengthen the guard compared to the art

[thin ibex]

i imagine done in the astartes style, the blade profile would be shrunk somewhat to be more proportional; probably still massive, but similar to what they did with space marine combat knives

[desert jay]

Of course if you wanted to be silly, portray swinging a very-big-sword around indoors by carving through the walls and ceiling like butter

[thin ibex]

part of that absolutely appeals to me

[desert jay]

Right? It's silly but also incredibly metal

[thin ibex]

but i am absolutely curious how, stylistically, they'd adapt the more... bombastic elements of space marines into that version of theirs

but yeah, combat knife in tt? image 1.
Astartes video version in image 2.

Still huge, but definitely more profiled

[jaunty dawn]

tbf that combat knife is like

much bigger than holstered bits

in the same way pistols are mostly

[desert jay]

It's also a funny mishmash of blade types

[thin ibex]

lol yeah

[desert jay]

The shape is mostly a bowie knife except it also has half-serrations like some pocket knifes, and then it also has a blade as long as an arm

[thin ibex]

its also got a cutout for a finger over guard

which is interesting

[desert jay]

Oh, and also what looks like a full pommel!

[jaunty dawn]

and the cutout for the finger is like three of his fingers

[desert jay]

Big cutout is in case it's being held by a power fist

Index goes in the cutout and the other three can wrap round the grip

[thin ibex]

amazing

[desert jay]

Anyway I'm gonna call it a "semi-serrated Bowie falchion"

[thin ibex]

im actually surprised no one has the "power cable from the suit reactor connected to a power knife" look

power knives could totally be kinda sick

also active cable connections to the weapon also can be kinda sick

[desert jay]

Cables like that are hard if not doing monopose

[thin ibex]

yeah true

just a neat look, even if from a practicality perspective it really limits the range of motion

of the weapon in question

[ebon forge]

CW: Mild slaneesh tits

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[obsidian flume]

Eldar goddess who is still in 40k

[ebon forge]

oh! Tell me more, love her design

[tired cairn]

She's a goddess of healing that Nurgle captured

[ebon forge]

No i mean the bottom one

[obsidian flume]

oh that is just someone they made up to be their child

[tired cairn]

Oh, idk know if they are different

[obsidian flume]

"what if these two had a kid"

"aesthic combo"

[tired cairn]

That is disturbing considering their, uh, relationship

[obsidian flume]

Yeah

[ebon forge]

Oh I see, though the joke was "That AoS goddess looks like a mix of Nurgle and the eldar god of healing, so the joke is she is their kid"

[topaz elk]

Very

[ebon forge]

oh here:
"but in actuality, Yaoshi from Honkai Star Rail: Life God that doesn't like death. To take a comment from the reddit page. "Their whole deal is extending life no matter the after effects, like turning you into a monstrous tree zombie that mindlessly slays everything around it after the original body finally deteriorates.""

[thin ibex]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tabletoptime/spacebears

[pulsar cairn]

yogi bear is the chapter master

[naive abyss]

did a new impcat mockup for my dorf scheme and i think this ones the closest ive gotten to what i want lol

[unreal cosmos]

I had a fuckin' modelling idea breakthrough

So I want a Master of Signals and I realized it would actually be kind of a waste to not give him a sniper rifle, because I'm planning to pair him with rocket boys who wouldn't benefit from his "forego shooting to give +1 BS" doohickey. But I don't want his arms full of Gun, I want him fiddling with some kind of comms gadget.

And just now, while taking a walk, it hit me: servo-sniper

(if there was room on the base I could also just throw in a human lackey who does all the shooting for him)

[dense sedge]

The recent combat patrols aren’t great, especially the admech one

[thin ibex]

I like it, but it's kinda mechanically questionable

Tech mentioned earlier is like sub 300 points of units

[dense sedge]

I think it's 350ish when I put it into new recruit

still way below what it should be

[thin ibex]

Hmm what army do I want to try and make next

[mental birch]

Please just massively buff Admech

so that they're worth the insane points

[cinder wraith]

painted

[tired cairn]

Best GW can do is reduce points. I hope you enjoy horde mech

[mental birch]

booo

cries in 40 skittari at 500 points

wait is that actually reasonable

[desert jay]

IIRC vanguard are 8 ppm and rangers are 9 ppm

So yeah doable w/ room for a warlord and some support units

[ebon forge]

40 Skittari femboys

[jovial berry]

40 goddamn Skittari

[ebon forge]

40 frakkin' Atari Skirts

memes aside
Can you technically use Alpha Legion models to play as Loyalist or Heretics Astartes?

[cinder wraith]

i guess

[unreal cosmos]

I don't think there are Alpha Legion models

You can paint guys however you like tho

[pine matrix]

Do what I do, get loyalist models but paint them as Alpha Legion

[ebon forge]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Alpha-Legion-Praetor-2018 some

[unreal cosmos]

Oh that's Horus Heresy

Anyone besides named characters can be traitor or loyalist in that game

[pine matrix]

Wonder if we'll ever get a plastic Alpha praetor

[ebon forge]

peeeerfect

[pine matrix]

I think all Alpha Legion characters are also faction agnostic, fittingly

[ebon forge]

Faction agnostic?

[pine matrix]

Can be used by Loyalists or Traitors

[mental birch]

hot

[pine matrix]

Also Exodus, their special sniper character, isn't unique so you can take multiple of him!

[mental birch]

gib

[ebon forge]

Boy do I have an artist for you then
Have you heard of
Archon of Flesh?

[ebon forge]

perfect

[unreal cosmos]

I think all legion-specitic praetors are resin

[ebon forge]

If James Workshop is using resin, so will I

[pine matrix]

Oh word? I thought the new versions they'd released were plastic

Welp, never mind!

[mental birch]

Yes

[ebon forge]

So we are on the same level then

[unreal cosmos]

So the wild thing about AL in Heresy is, you can use other legions' units. Or one of them, at least.

[mental birch]

Semi seriously though hmmminf

At 4x skittari vanguard in 5pp

500

[ebon forge]

I am a bit sad that skits are
So fucking complex, if not THE most complex Kill team to use

[mental birch]

320 points for OC 80

[mental birch]

They're amazing

Very funny to surprise your opponents with

Skitari always with a

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-erik-king-james-doakes-surprise-motherfucker-surprise-gif-4719446

[ebon forge]

Would love to give then a try after getting more familiar with the game

until then

DAKKA IT IZ

or furry goat boys

[mental birch]

Heheeh

[ebon forge]

now to actually play more Kill Team

[mental birch]

Hey question

About 40k

Just realised something

Can people walk through engagement range of enemies?

Like my reading up till now is yes

You can walk through your enemy units engagement range

But huh! The clarification for fly says bo

No

[jaunty dawn]

yeah no you can't move within engagement range except during a charge

and even then only if the charge move ends in engagement

pretty much a universal gw game rule

[ebon forge]

Engaged units are weirds, coming from a TTPRPG background

"NO BROTHER, DON'T SHOOT THE GENESTEALER
Brother Sanhighalor is engaging with his power fist! YOU MIGHT SHOOT HIM BROTHER!
Allow him to finish the holy fisting first."

[mental birch]

Sure

Haha

[mental birch]

Sicarian infiltrators are hilllarious

Make people suffer

Hehehhhe

But seriously thought they're amazing sneaky units

[ebon forge]

So I heard, complex but VERY stronk

[unreal cosmos]

You know, it's odd, I don't see much kitbashing or AUs or whatever based on the old "Sigmar was a lost Primarch" theory

Especially since Stormcast exist

[tired cairn]

Out of curiosity, are there any characters for the side opposite to the main legion's "historical" loyalties? E.g. a traitor ultramarine or loyalist deathguard character

[jaunty dawn]

ye

Saul Tarvitz in emperor's children

some legions also have unique warlord traits for cross loyalty lists

Garviel Loken for Sons of Horus as well. There's more outside the main Libers I believe too

[ebon forge]

I love how Thousand Sons are egypth theme
but the guy named Horus is not

[pastel rampart]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT8Ae94q2/

[thin ibex]

I enjoyed loken as a character

And Saul

[naive abyss]

He has some imo

Especially the eye

[tepid stratus]

So after about 10 hours of collective work so far on my tzaangors I have to say they are my least favorite thing to paint in my tzeentch army. They have just as much detail as the average slaanesh model but possibly due to their age it isn't nearly as well defined or executed attempts at detail. The knee and thigh guards have inconsistently defined trim, the skulls and daggers are held on by poorly sculpted straps that just kinda merge into the armour plating and some of the skirts are thick while pieces instead of hollow with open bottoms. All these problems seem to be exclusive to the leg and waist parts as if they're from an older kit than the upper bodies which are much more modern appearing in sculpt quality

[naive abyss]

man this could be anything lol

I'd assume it's fec but it could be beastmen too lol

[tepid stratus]

The carvings on the stone and skull give me beastmen vibes

But strapping two skulls together as if it's supposed to be something is absolutely a FEC thing to do

[naive abyss]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

New space marine lieutenant

[tepid stratus]

I eagerly await the day they bait and switch a primaris lieutenant with an exalted champion. I'd love to get an exalted champion Terminator or biker. Same with the dark apostle

CSM only have 2 generic options for terminator leaders while loyalists have like 7

[mental birch]

lol (495 points)
Adeptus Mechanicus
Incursion (1000 points)
Rad-Cohort

CHARACTERS

Skitarii Marshal (70 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Archeotech pistol
1x Control stave
• Enhancement: Master Annihilator

Skitarii Marshal (45 points)
• 1x Archeotech pistol
1x Control stave
• Enhancement: Archived Purge Protocols

BATTLELINE

Skitarii Vanguard (80 points)
• 1x Skitarii Vanguard Alpha
• 1x Alpha combat weapon
1x Archeotech pistol
1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Skitarii Vanguard
• 1x Arc rifle
9x Close combat weapon
1x Omnispex
1x Plasma caliver
7x Radium carbine

Skitarii Vanguard (80 points)
• 1x Skitarii Vanguard Alpha
• 1x Alpha combat weapon
1x Archeotech pistol
1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Skitarii Vanguard
• 1x Arc rifle
9x Close combat weapon
1x Omnispex
1x Plasma caliver
7x Radium carbine

Skitarii Vanguard (80 points)
• 1x Skitarii Vanguard Alpha
• 1x Alpha combat weapon
1x Archeotech pistol
1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Skitarii Vanguard
• 1x Arc rifle
9x Close combat weapon
1x Omnispex
1x Plasma caliver
7x Radium carbine

Skitarii Vanguard (80 points)
• 1x Skitarii Vanguard Alpha
• 1x Alpha combat weapon
1x Archeotech pistol
1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Skitarii Vanguard
• 1x Arc rifle
9x Close combat weapon
1x Omnispex
1x Plasma caliver
7x Radium carbine

OTHER DATASHEETS

Serberys Raiders (60 points)
• 1x Serberys Raider Alpha
• 1x Archeotech pistol
1x Cavalry sabre and clawed limbs
1x Galvanic carbine
• 2x Serberys Raider
• 2x Cavalry sabre and clawed limbs
2x Galvanic carbine

Exported with App Version: v1.6.0 (27), Data Version: v299

Lol

Might actually be a decent 500 point list

Do work with 80 oC

[onyx elm]

Don't know if this is the place to ask, but is there dancing in the grim dark future of the 41st Millennium?

Not like ballroom, debutante waltzes like I'm sure happens in the upper spire. I mean like Guardsmen on shore leave who learn who to do the Talas IV Twist.

[soft willow]

I mean yeah probably? As far as confirmed fluff examples I can’t immediately think of any.

[mental birch]

Yes

I mean

Dance

Moves

For

Space Hulk

:p

[soft willow]

Both Gaunt and Cain dance fancy upper hive dances in their books.

[thin ibex]

i dont see why there wouldn't be dancing tbh

[mental birch]

A classic

[thin ibex]

a lot depends on when, where, around whom, and at what time

some places will be more open to it than others

[onyx elm]

I'm sure some places can get real "Foot Loose," about it.

I'm sure a Guardsmen regiment that moves around a lot has picked up several local dances.

[thin ibex]

heck you probably have loads of dancing in the underhives n stuff

people leading stressful lives

needing to blow off stress

[soft willow]

Chem fueled underhive mega rave.

Necro-fun-da.

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/07/tune-into-our-next-explosive-preview-direct-from-the-world-championships-of-warhammer/

The art in the article makes me think orks

[thin ibex]

PrimarOrk Lieutenant

But in all seriousness, new ork stuff sounds cool

maybe updated tankbustas

[quaint compass]

The feeling when the models you impulse-bought ends up forming a Strike Force list 😌

[thin ibex]

strike force?

oh right

battle size

lol i ended up having to buy more models to make my tau list playable xD

[quaint compass]

I might even be able to squeeze in another master of executions too ☺️

[thin ibex]

respectable starting list for an ork crusade ya think?

[upper canopy]

Looks alright

Surprised you're going slugga boys and not Snaggas

[thin ibex]

felt they were more on theme personally

also enjoy the idea of da jumping a 20 man mob

[upper canopy]

Always fun yeah

[thin ibex]

squighog boys was actually an uncertainty for me purely cause i did a beastboyz crusade way back

[upper canopy]

Wait then who goes in the Battlwagon?

[thin ibex]

so i want to do a bit more of a "traditional" orky list

the warboss and meganobs

[upper canopy]

Ahhhh

[thin ibex]

ill also probably start the lootas in the wagon to ensure they don't get erased before they get to have a go, or tuck em behind cover

i might replce the hog boyz with deffkoptas actually

then i have a lot of mobile melee threat to keep my enemy on their toes

and several ways to teleport to various places on the map

[upper canopy]

Lootas you just kinda wanna slap in the back yeah

If they get deep-striked they die but like

Eh

[thin ibex]

They're really there cause they're a bit more meaningful than grots while they sit back

[upper canopy]

Yeah your current build has no back capper

So keeping them is good

You can at least plink

Grots aren't even a back cap unit

you have them take objectives from Marines

[thin ibex]

man replacing the squighog boyz and the nob on squig with deffkoptas and a painboy feels like im left out of some good AT... but also orks have a disturbing volume of str 8 and 9 firepower just flopping about at BS5

wonder if need to stuff like a dread in there or something

[thin ibex]

i suppose anything will die to enough rokkits

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/SiegeStudios/status/1721830180874764308

[pulsar cairn]

@naive abyss

Vot'au

[naive abyss]

Huh

Ngl the heads look sorta hilariously narrow on them lol

[thin ibex]

Earth caste breachers

[thin ibex]

the grey knights stat line seems actually pretty good

but i was noticing lacking the means to hurt big stuff effectively

thus the land raider

[floral herald]

A land raider is a good choice for that I think

It’s hard to get lascannons in their list

[thin ibex]

yeah it was either a gun dread or a land raider i think

only other alt is dreadknights with hammers

and if its my grey knights list, i refuse to take a dreadknight

the giant space marine baby carrier is a fever dream

if the dreadknight looked like a invictor with some changes, that would be infinitely preferable

also purifiers are kinda sick

they really want castellan crowe BUT, i dont bring named boyos on crusade

[pulsar cairn]

is Luther All Chaos juiced or we don't really know his intentions?

[thin ibex]

hmm what would yall say is one or two quintessential units to bring on a Salamander's theme list

i figure Infernus squad yes

Brutalis Dread?

[naive abyss]

he was. as of now if he still is is unclear

[past sphinx]

you know what, primaris look pretty fucking rad with older helmets

i didnt realize how much the MK X helm curdels the design for me

[upper canopy]

The current Primaris helmets aren't as cool as most of the older ones yeah

They work but eh

[past sphinx]

im glad it seems their not pushing PRIMARIS these days and now their just space marines, that seems to have marked a tone shift

seeing scouts and sterngaurd return give me some hope for the scrungle

this fucking bolter is just absolute perfection

[naive abyss]

i dont mine the new helmetsd but ill aways have a fondness for frownies

but yeah the new sternguard are great

[upper canopy]

Sternguard especially should have variety

Marines look cool when they are less uniform and are more Knights imo

[naive abyss]

def

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1721913510618136662

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1720795424104030357

[past sphinx]

id love some new designs that aint gravis and i quite like the half mask design on some of the models

[naive abyss]

i like the infiltratro helmets

but thats because theyre just funky frownies

[jagged dawn]

Now I have even more of a reason to not finish painting my sternguard since in the time since I’ve bought them we’ve had primaris come out and now the release of new sternguard

I must continue the joke

[past sphinx]

skrunky little faces

infiltrators got a strange kinda stopgap look between firstborn and primes

like a first draft of what MKX would be though im personally weaker for reavers

goofy ass skull masks

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1721832185613705564

[junior summit]

ngl space marines with tac gear look kinda strange

I like the look but some days it just looks off

[floral herald]

Is there a specific one you're thinking of?

[junior summit]

I'm thinking the reiver thigh pouches

[floral herald]

Oh I kind of like those

I generally like equipment greebles to break up the smooth lines of power armor

[pastel rampart]

Tac gear on marines also depends on their paint scheme, as some don't lend well to the tacticool look.

[floral herald]

True

[naive abyss]

def

[upper canopy]

I personally dislike Space Marine tac gear

[floral herald]

It depends on the aesthetic some to me

[upper canopy]

and would rather flavor models explain away their gear needs instead

Like give a servitor with 200 pounches dangling off it

[floral herald]

I don't mind the leather pouches but like space MOLLE would look weird

[runic swallow]

The load bearing technology of the Imperium should max out at like, ALICE kits

Which is 1970s-80s

[floral herald]

More maglocked stuff would also be neat

[past sphinx]

i do love the tacticool Raptor fanart

my brother in christ they are terror troops

if you cant see them they cannot do their job

[floral herald]

I don't think you gotta see to fear

[past sphinx]

true

gotta be a bitch to get open pouches in power armor

[jaunty dawn]

big pouches

[zinc field]

I do want a Big Dog-style ammo carrier. Like they've got an autonomous robot they could use for literally anything else, and it just follows somebody around carrying ammo

[past sphinx]

nice and chunky sized latches to

[zinc field]

Maybe as part of an Admech heavy weapons team or something

[jaunty dawn]

I just think it's cool that you can like. make a whole army in the flavour of space marine you like much easier nowadays

[past sphinx]

got to imagine its a hard learning curve to not crush latches when learning fighting in power armor

[jaunty dawn]

there's a variety of units in each style

unless the style you like is bikes. then you can die in a hole ;P

[past sphinx]

i mean that was kinda always the case

vanguard vets have like 30 options

[jaunty dawn]

not wrong

oh I thought you meant bikes

I disagree

van vets are all like blinged out style

they have options in that

and like there was only one tactical squad box at a time

whereas now its like if you wanna be tacticool you can go infiltrators if you like knights more there's crusaders and assault intercessors

[past sphinx]

tacticals could actually take special weapons however, bolstering a style or motiff

now you have to take an entire unit of say eradicators or the flamer dudes if you want to lean into salamander bling

[jaunty dawn]

I mean yeah but I think having multiple kits worth of options is cool compared to just having the essentially same gun piece you can throw around

like I think that's an improvement that if you want to lean into salamnders there are entire units you can take and not just fragments of the same stuff everyone uses

unless you played heresy you didn't get to take all flamer squads

[past sphinx]

also chapters had chapter specific boxes for say tactical marines

[floral herald]

Some did

[past sphinx]

like say the blood angels box

[floral herald]

Broadly I think the general primaris format is nicer than the weirdly constrained unit list yeah

(Some of the models I think are goofy, but that's a different issue)

[jaunty dawn]

and at the end of the day my point is the accessiblity

[past sphinx]

arent infernus squads literally all flamers?

like 9 man flamer teams

[jaunty dawn]

yeah and they came out this year

[floral herald]

That's what Pennywen means

That's the new specialized squad format for SMs

Previously the closest you got was I think flamercide sternvets or something

[jaunty dawn]

and then that brought with it hunting down or converting fiddly combi flamers etc

[past sphinx]

salamanders could take full units of flamers iirc

dropped out of drop pods, fuckin nightmares

[floral herald]

Not when I played

Maybe in like 7e

[jaunty dawn]

don't think even devs can take flamers

[past sphinx]

i am fuckin old

[floral herald]

No no 7e was after I stopped lol

I started in 4e

[jaunty dawn]

salamanders thing was master crafted for cheap and eternal warrior on captains

but like cyan said you could take veterans with combiflamers to do a one time flamer spam and then die

oh in 4e tac squads had to be one special/one heavy but the cleanse & purify chapter tactic that salamanders had let them take two specials instead

albeit for the same cost

oh yeah and in 3e and 4e they had a weird thing where they could try and force an extra turn at the end of the game sdkfjj

[past sphinx]

god i remeber when droppods got really fucking silly and people pryed the doors back open because the doors counted as part of the model and you could drop 6 inches away from the very edge of the door

was a good time

back with dark imperium i think?

now that was a damn fine box

[pastel rampart]

I think that was 4th or 5th.

Silly model rules go back a long time.

[past sphinx]

i miss my flesh tearers

good lads

[crisp lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855805415270252544/1171630003709038632/wh40k_nightlord_sad.mp4?ex=655d6078&is=654aeb78&hm=12d96b43c0dcd078c42a8f0d2dd79d476b26e6f7823058919f44a3250e6d8432&

[jovial berry]

Average Night Lords battleship

[cinder wraith]

alright

i have an idea for a list

1.5k pts

lord invocatus, MoE with favor of khorne

1 battleline of 5 berzerkers

3 units of 6 eightbound and 1 unit of 6 exalted eightbound

its called RUSH B

[ebon forge]

An Noise Marine tries to seduce cheer up a Night Lord
Colored
41.879 A.C.

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/08/catachans-vs-tyranids-who-are-the-deadliest-predators-in-this-new-astra-militarum-novel/

[jaunty dawn]

noveeel

warcom teasing

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah I got my hopes up for a moment too, lol. Nice illustration though

[jaunty dawn]

hoping it's brand synergy

[thin ibex]

The novel that comes with the kill team box right gw?

Right?

The nid vs Catachan kill team box that's coming, right gw?

[pulsar cairn]

is that Kevin?

[ebon forge]

Sly Barbo will go hunt bugs!

[naive abyss]

Muscle ladies

[unreal cosmos]

I knew you'd appreciate that part heh

[naive abyss]

I am if nothing else consistent in this regard lol

[spice flicker]

I think I might play as Gelt in tww3 this evening even though I do poorly with mages more often than not. Any advice for his faction in immortal empires?

[thin ibex]

what difficulty?

[spice flicker]

Haven't decided yet

[upper canopy]

If you need a melee lord you can always just make a second army with just a general to follow you around.

But generally yeah you want a melee hero in Gelts army

[thin ibex]

i find that the captain do be a fine anchor. Really what you want is the right tools to get the enemy to group up, be it a super tank hero or a concentrated army of shielded units

because overcasted final transmutation will do like 90% of hte work for you

or before that, repeated gold bombardments

[upper canopy]

Gelt plays like dwarfs usually

[thin ibex]

he also has the benefit of once hes on his pegasus, he can go melee kill arty left in the open

[spice flicker]

The reason I was looking at gelt is because I enjoy artillery (especially after spamming them with chaos dwarves) and I heard before them that was something empire excelled at and gelt provides more benefits for them than the other lords.

[thin ibex]

yup, his territory is nuln iirc, which is the home of the imperial cannon

[spice flicker]

It's close to nuln iirc

[unreal cosmos]

Looking good!

[long void]

any thoughts for an on-foot pilot model?

[mental birch]

Sadly no 😦

Not yet

[jaunty dawn]

warhammi :)

[thin ibex]

yeall wanna get a game of warhammi in

new rebrand yall

[floral herald]

warhammi:)

[naive abyss]

Warhammy 🍖

[soft willow]

What happened to Hamwarmer 40K? GW is rebranding too quickly again.

[thin ibex]

hmm anyone have a warhammi faction and theme to tool around with?

[soft willow]

3k IK maximum big knights.

[spice flicker]

Favorite warhammi faction is the 40k bretonnians

[spice flicker]

You could throw in another gallant, errant, and 2 armigers in pace of the Castellans

[thin ibex]

Honestly to hit the prompt I should nix all the questoris and max out on valiants and castellans

[jovial berry]

First fella done

[floral herald]

I got some cool “infested spaceship” basing bits that I think I’ll use for my breachers and finally put them together

https://gamersgrass.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/bits_alien_infestation_1600x900.jpg

[jovial berry]

Those look cool

[floral herald]

Yeah I really dig them

I’m gonna paint up my breachers with goopy boots like they’ve been stomping around an infested ship

[unreal cosmos]

Oooh nice

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtUZgtBfAWI

[spice flicker]

Ah yes MWG own war game no?

[thin ibex]

i still havent gotten the hang of like

building a deathwatch list

mostly feels like building infantry blobs

i also almost always want to have a minimal amount of units and a fuck ton of supporting hardware

which is rarely competetive lol

[thin ibex]

maaaybe only having 1 big infantry squad is a bad idea

but i think otherwise it can work

one big melee threat, one big ranged threat, 2 somewhat mixed threats

tbh tho ive been kinda vibing grey knights recently

just feeling their lack of heavy weapons a bit

[desert jay]

Paladin prolly be like: "I AM THE HEAVY WEAPON"

[thin ibex]

well they need a damn chaplain to actually wound tough things on a 4 at minimum

and really tough things on 5's

[desert jay]

Okay yeah fair

[thin ibex]

honestly if they could just get access to like daemonhammers specifically, or some other str 8 melee, even just on leaders and sgts, they might feel a lot better

[floral herald]

Tfw no armywide Hammerhand for cracking tanks anymore

[thin ibex]

generally its just high volume of attacks is all you got to strike down a vehicle

or the baby carriers

which i continue to refuse

[pastel rampart]

I've seen conversions that make them look a hell of a lot better. Usually as big dreads/small knights.

[thin ibex]

mechanically they're great

my refusal is purely on aesthetic grounds

and yeah ive seen some appreciable conversions

[pastel rampart]

https://masteroftheforge.com/2016/04/27/nemesis-dreadknights/ This especially

It's honestly just the grey knight riding in the middle that's the problem.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1072081337/deamonslayer-knight-mkii-13-use-for Hm!

[thin ibex]

yeah

i know the design intent was to like

invoke aliens power loader or something, but no

[pastel rampart]

Yeah it really didn't work.

https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DG_Review-Leviathan-Crusader-15mm-45.jpg

I've got two of the Dreamforge things on the left and if I ever get a bug up my ass about playing GK I'd just use them

[desert jay]

I remember seeing the knight-nought where you get a dreadnought torso with dreadknight arms

[pastel rampart]

Oh that's a popular conversion. Works astoundingly well.

[desert jay]

But now that might work even better with the invictus

[pastel rampart]

Eeeeh, invictus still has the baby carrier visual problem. Just not as bad.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/f5/InvictorMini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190911211448

This is not a huge improvement!

[jaunty dawn]

invictus looks more like a vehicle though

like it's got power lifter in it n such

[pastel rampart]

True.

[desert jay]

Well if you don't want a visible pilot just get a redemptor I guess. But the larger torsos of the new dreads I do think is an improvement over the castaferrum for the conversion

[pastel rampart]

The roll cage is just kinda silly.

[jaunty dawn]

but what if they falled over smh

[pastel rampart]

Oh for sure, the invictus has a bulkier torso that'd work better for a conversion. I'd just...still cover the roll cage, hah

[jaunty dawn]

I'm not a big fan of the paragons either tbh

but they're more popular overall

[thin ibex]

honestly, I think the invictus IS a huge improvement even if tis got some similar issues

it IS strange to not have like some kind of armor paneling attacked to the roll cage

like unless weight was the concern

and i understand that its implied a bit that thats KIIINDA what it is right?

a paradread, as heavy fire support for an infilitration force

so stripped down, piloted by a normal ass marine instead of a parapalegic on their death bed

i sort of get the idea of "they're already in power armor made of ceramite, some of the toughest armor out there, why would they need more armor on the cockpit" but like "because its still not good to have the pilot that accessible to targeting" is a strong answer

ironically the narrative for the dreadknight does answer that with force fields, the invictor does not

[jaunty dawn]

light enough to be transported n such

[thin ibex]

i do think the invictor was far more devisive compared to the dreadknight

which i think was more generally unpopular

i myself am honestly a fan of the invictor

not in the least because its weird to need to call upon your chapter ancients who are critically wounded and left in a heavy armed life support system to get a walker to be present. The invictor is a bit more practical because you dont need to maim the pilot first

[desert jay]

Hey, you want to know a random cool idea I had?

If instead of fielding stormsurges, Tau just had an allied race that was just giants and the Tau handed them armor and a gun

[thin ibex]

but they DOOOOOOO

we just don't get models for em

they box imperial knights

[desert jay]

Which one is that? Their exclusion from the battlefield is a travesty

[thin ibex]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vorgh_(Xenos_Species)

The Vorgh

[desert jay]

Oh hmm, first mentioned in the 9e codex

[floral herald]

Tbf that’s not really the logic for dreadnoughts

[desert jay]

Wait do they literally just get 2 sentences? Damn

[thin ibex]

i mean theres only 2 per company, they're almost always old, and always gravely and mortally wounded, with the dreadnought occupant kept alive by being interned into their dreadnought

and the dreadnought is one of the space marines only heavy walking weapons platforms

[lofty warren]

more auxillaries pLEASE

[floral herald]

A dreadnought is a symbol of duty basically

[thin ibex]

who is also a close fire support platform

and a source of wisdom for the chapter

[floral herald]

There’s an interesting bit of lore which notes that most dreadnoughts have their own names and keep them between “pilots”

[floral herald]

Well yeah that’s where a space marine’s duty is haha

[thin ibex]

what im saying is that the invictor does not need the pre-requisite of being horribly maimed to provide a mobile armored heavy weapons walking platform

a guy can just get in

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[thin ibex]

and pilot it

[jaunty dawn]

its an alternative to a rhino chassis vehicle

or an attack bike

[thin ibex]

i do think the primaris need a new mobile artillery platform, or an update to the whirlwind. I guess their new indirect fire platform are desolators or something

[jaunty dawn]

or a sabre before they got all rare

[thin ibex]

put a thunderfire cannon on the back of an impulsor. Space marine technical. Done.

most advanced pick up truck in the galaxy

[lofty warren]

they should get a primaris deredeo

[thin ibex]

im actually quite pleased at the distinct primaris dread patterns and the way they comfortably fit into their roles

Really don't think we need a bajillion more dread patterns

[pastel rampart]

Logistically an Invictor has less work involved in its production, usage, and maintenance compared to a dreadnought while also filling a different, normally underutilized role (mobile heavy firepower for units ranging ahead of the main force).

But it doesn't make the dreadnought obsolete either.

[floral herald]

My point is that dreadnoughts exist for ideological reasons not tactical ones basically

[desert jay]

I think the Invictor is silly mostly b/c it's so stealth flavored despite being a 5 meter tall mech

A chunky 5 meter mech too

[floral herald]

The Invictor is I think meant to be a space marine scout sentinel

[thin ibex]

the only thing i find questionable about it is like... the invictor isn't "stealthy", but i guess its stealthy in that its fast and light; but tis certainly not gonna tip toe up to an unsuspecting guard

[jaunty dawn]

stealth can be using routes that are inaccessible to most large vehicles and survailled accordingly

[floral herald]

But it’s too chunky to sell the visual imo

[desert jay]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

man imagine

you're a guard

[desert jay]

It doesn't look fast or light

[thin ibex]

and the invictor just taps you on the shoulder

[pastel rampart]

You just know the Ravenguard versions are modified to be as silent as a fart in the wind tho.

[thin ibex]

oh yeah ravenguard invictor can sneak into your room at night probably

the autocannon sounds like a baby's cough

[pastel rampart]

There's a ravenguard invictor in your room right now

[jaunty dawn]

stripped down while probably having as much power as a dreadnought reactor without needing to power life support probably makes it pretty fast

40k is also a universe where stummers exist

sound is kinda a non issue for space marines

[thin ibex]

stummers?

[floral herald]

Noise cancellers

[desert jay]

Also the Invictor has the sin of being one of the too many new SM units with "In__or" names

[floral herald]

Basically they make things quiet in a radius of them

[thin ibex]

i do think its really funny that the invictor has a heavy bolter pistol, but I do like how it indicates that its "hand" is articulated enough to actually pick stuff up and utilize tools

[jaunty dawn]

it's great no notes

[floral herald]

Normally the duration is limited but power armor produces a lot of excess power for one

Yeah the heavy bolter pistol rules

[thin ibex]

is that what the phobos armor is using to maintain more quiet?

[jaunty dawn]

plus they have access to space marine level stummers and not hiver stummers

[thin ibex]

also if the phobos armor is natively more quiet, does that mean space marine armor normally kinda like... hums when youre around them?

[floral herald]

Phobos is just cut down for noise

[desert jay]

Intercessor (and variants), Inceptor, Incursor, Infiltrator, Invictor, and honorable mentions to Impulsor and Invader

[thin ibex]

i guess the most recent show, with sakhan, showed how clanky the armor is

shoulda been invador smh

[floral herald]

But I think stummers are relatively common space marine gear

[jaunty dawn]

it's kinda a thing where in depictions its gonna be whatever suits the narrative

but if you're gonna argue actual practicality that is something they have access to

[thin ibex]

i had a chuckle in my head

invictor just playing a different sound for its steps

oh thats not a space marine assault vehicle, thats a heard of bison

[pastel rampart]

Clown shoe honking for each step.

[thin ibex]

sucessfully infiltrates a harlequin camp

[pastel rampart]

"Wow the Lamenters are approaching"

[thin ibex]

you know if the lamenters are attacking they'll probably succeed with a 99% casualty rate

and have to spend the next thousand years rebuilding their chapter

[past sphinx]

and with your help we can push it the 99.98

join the minotaurs today

wonder if their still good with terra

what with big blue taking over

[pastel rampart]

Clown joke aside a video game with Lamenters as the main characters would be some incredible shit.

Just the most desperate, sad last-stand stuff.

Imagine the last mission of Halo Reach but that's the entire goddamn game.

[past sphinx]

35 hours of forlorn hope missions

[jaunty dawn]

you start with 1000 marines

[thin ibex]

the invictor also means that in the distant future, in a video game, you can have a mech section without having to nearly die

[jaunty dawn]

all of them named

it's a really tedious start to a game

[past sphinx]

an RTS but you only get 1000 marines

and only 1000 for then entire campaign

[floral herald]

Tbh a space marine based strategy game would be pretty lit

[past sphinx]

they did make a series for that

[jaunty dawn]

could call it like the sunrise of conflict or somethin

[floral herald]

There was chapter master but that was never really finished

[thin ibex]

a really granular strategy game managing a chapter might be kinda cool

pretty niche mind, but cool

[jaunty dawn]

football manager hack

[thin ibex]

i do also miss sometimes the narrative contrivance of "we sent a single squad to help, the thunderhawk isn't even staying, because thats what we got"

i know that like, when you play army v army, you're playing a more signficant fight

but tis a vibe i enjoy

[pastel rampart]

Okay but having a marine campaign where the last quarter has the guy nearly die and get interred into a dread and does a final ground-shaking last stand would fucking slap.

Like the Quake 4 strogification only slightly less horrific.

[thin ibex]

oh, yeah yeah i can vibe with that, thats true

this would even fit in a lamenters game

last mission is in a dread in your forlorn stand

to buy the survivors time

[jaunty dawn]

having a dread game in general would be cool

titanfall 2 style

[tepid stratus]

Titanfall would legit be a sick concept to model a tau game after

[jaunty dawn]

pathfinder with a gun drone stranded behind enemy lines

[tepid stratus]

It would even be lore friendly to have an AI companion in your battlesuit

[thin ibex]

I would play this a lot. Remaster and rewrite firewarrior into a titanfall adjacent game.

[pastel rampart]

I still say a good Tau game would be more or less a reskinned Republic Commando.

[thin ibex]

i want to play a game where a level involved me teaming up with darkstrider for some reason

[tepid stratus]

Play out the first mission or two as a shasui experiencing battlesuits from an infantry perspective before doing your rite of passage to pilot a suit would be cool

[thin ibex]

place the Mantle of Heroes upon your shoulders

[jaunty dawn]

"the one where you team up with darkstrider for some reason"

[thin ibex]

lol

[jaunty dawn]

halo style

[tepid stratus]

Just think of the opening sequence: your a shasui leading a fire team. You're a badass killing guardsmen left and right until you're face to face with a dreadnought and are stuck trying to survive against an enemy you can't kill until the crisis suits drop in and can opener the dread with fusion blasters

[thin ibex]

(have us fighting vostroyans. In a city. Yes, i admit i think the cities of death art and the later ary with vior'la vs vostroya looks sick)

[sour sequoia]

Figured out a good way to highlight black today, pretty pleased with myself

[naive abyss]

nice

[jaunty dawn]

love it!

[sour sequoia]

Its uhhhh black basecoat, heavy drybrush in real real dark grey like eshin or corvus black, light drybrush in a lighter grey like celestra

Step 2 is Coat the whole model in a purple or blue wash once, then again in 50/50 of that color and black wash

Then you go back and edge highlight/spot highlight with the same greys

[jaunty dawn]

it's a really nice colour

[naive abyss]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RyVJLW

[dense sedge]

very big

[thin ibex]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzUqpp-Os4E/?igshid=MXFwNXAyZ203bXF6dQ==

the_elder_medium

A 360° view of my little battlefield troop rotation diorama: "Passage of Lines"

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[mental birch]

I still dream of a tribes ascend

Model

Super jumping everywhere

With crisis suits

[jaunty dawn]

helmet

[pastel rampart]

Slowly repairing the dragon ogre shaggoth. Mostly his lack of a face.

[jaunty dawn]

the full model picture looks weird but the close ups all look good

oooh!

[pastel rampart]

Like...god, must've been 2005 or so I had cut the face off and slapped a keeper of secrets head on there. Which in retrospect was a bad idea but past me just Did Shit like that.

[jaunty dawn]

mood

[pastel rampart]

The model's been in something of a sorry state for a while so I just stripped the paint off and am redoing it. Most of him is there but for the face, the axe head, and the two forearms.

Well, and one of the horns but I got a ton of horns kicking around so it's basically a non-issue.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1060908822408986655/1171993845295231086/1694029457526922.webm?ex=655eb353&is=654c3e53&hm=87f94524e8b0fe48984e4a44a354063915d9a32bac0659729380d103b6dc1a98&

[unreal cosmos]

This guy looks shaggy as hell

Swaggy, fucking autocorrect

[naive abyss]

Hell yeah

We love a good storm seer

[unreal cosmos]

Incredible paint job too

I would get this guy for a 40k army

[pine matrix]

I wonder if Stormseers have to learn what the weather patterns of whatever world they're deployed on first before they can manipulate them

[naive abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873992025001840642/1172181221623734323/16995401581013970237585970349087.jpg?ex=655f61d5&is=654cecd5&hm=eafc1863b786c4125e46a39abda596884c6f130739ba090ecf54d37557ba441a&

This warhammer fantasy skin wolf art may be one of my fave depictions of a werewolf

Just horrible lanky creature covered in the remains of it's human form

[mental birch]

Oh!

Rapid manufacturing of terrain

[deft crest]

Damn this slaps so hard I love the lankyness

[naive abyss]

It's great

It really sells them as horror creatures

[pulsar cairn]

tall

looks like that one pokemon but bloody

[naive abyss]

That's very vague lol

[naive abyss]

Well I can pretty confidently say the skin wolf came first lol

[pine matrix]

Can't believe Warhammer copied Snorlax when they made Ogres 😔

[naive abyss]

[unreal cosmos]

IG named character(s) idea: Ogryn/Ratling duo, big one being mobile cover for the little one, maybe share a base

[upper canopy]

Master of Blasting

[naive abyss]

Isn't that nearly what that one cos model is lol

[thin ibex]

that's the fel blade? Or the kratos

[jaunty dawn]

saw this and was like holy shit that's so detailed and such a closeup photo and then I saw the mini one in the corner xP

kratos

[thin ibex]

which chapter do yall think would be most likely to still have a kratos in their chapter motor pool and actually use it?

[naive abyss]

Dark angels

[thin ibex]

that was my first thought too

Id imaging the list would be like, DA, IH, maybe Salamanders?

I imagine others might have em in the vaults but DONT use them

[upper canopy]

Fists probs

[floral herald]

Iron Hands and Aurora Chapter seem like likely ones

[thin ibex]

oh shit you just reminded me, ceturion devastators on the siege detachment

run the centurion bolters + twin heavy bolters lol

[thin ibex]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Xg0m4R

[thin ibex]

I have a buddy just starting a space wolves army, picked up their combat patrol

I'm advising on army build and am conflicted

On if I should advise picking up some of the more unique units or keeps things to the more available/ primaris stuff

How easy is it to get the Gravis captain currently?

[mental birch]

Decently fine

Thunderwolf good and iconic though

Wolf wolf wolf memes aside

[thin ibex]

I agree

This was my first pass on suggesting up to a 1k but I do feel like it might lack anti tank

i do think, as a person who is just starting a space marine army, wolf guard/terminators are just a solid pick as a multipurpose rock hard unit that will generally do well at something

or for a person who is just starting i should say

Terminators are just generally quite solid purchases

to have in an army

presumably i might be able to replace the thunderwolves with something like eradicators, but we do have that issue of like

thundrwolves are iconic

eradicators are just decent anti tank

or a lancer i suppose

lancer or a ballistus dread, both are rock solid anti armor weapons

i think otherwise this list kind of relies on the invictor's melee, devastating wounds from the assault cannon, the chain fist, and devastating wounds from the thunder hammer

to really knock things down

i guess the chaplain in th termies mean they can still appreciably punch stuff up to T10

[long void]

Are you using the new Terminator kit or the older one?

[thin ibex]

not for me, but i think to get wolf guard, you'd have to buy the old one

and the wolf guard kit doesnt come with a missile launcher

iirc

[mental birch]

Biggest thing is split the intercessor squad

Well most obvious thing

[thin ibex]

i was plit on that, because he'd have learned to run them as a 10 man with a lieutenant from the combat patrol, it transfers more cleanly to keep that config. That and with SW, you want to have a leader with every unit if you can, so he'd not have the points to leader up the second intercessor squad

[mental birch]

Yeah wolf termies and

Thunderwolf

Fair its my habit from

[thin ibex]

i completely understand the tactical logic, and might be something id suggest

but i presumed during building it

that he'd prefer to keep things as he'd learned em in combat patrol is all

he might actually not, ultimately

i suppose the 2 nade launcher shots arent nothing either

[mental birch]

Wait which LT is it

[thin ibex]

and if he can get some of the champion's of russ buffs quickly (not easy to do ofc), a lot of stuff will functionally work better against tanks

the one that comes with the cp, so its a primaris lieutenant with a master crafted bolt rifle and master crafted power weapon

which in the box i think is a power axe

though in casual games non combat patrol i'd let him proxy the loadout after the fact

if he wanted

[mental birch]

Ewww

Not a fan of the guy

[thin ibex]

??

[mental birch]

Nah just

[thin ibex]

I think he looks pretty cool personally, I like the axe

[mental birch]

Doesn't attach to

Any really big unit

That can take advantage of his powrr

[thin ibex]

Lethal hits and fbas both seem pretty ok on a mainline unit that might get into melee

lethal hits get those bolters a bit more threatening at least

[mental birch]

I guess

Hellblasters

Tho

[floral herald]

??

[thin ibex]

yeah but aint got no hellblasters on the list

also tho he can attach to hellblasters

the biggest ?? is the attach to infernus squad lol, but i guess fall back and shoot might be worth on infernus. Just that lethal hits don't mean nothin

[mental birch]

That build of the LT

Like don't think he attaches to anything

Really relevant?

[floral herald]

I think you should write that sort of feedback as a single post to avoid coming across that way

[mental birch]

Ah

[thin ibex]

think he can pretty appreciably get put on assault and normal intercessors, hellblasters, and sternguard

[floral herald]

wait wow lethal hits is super useless on infernus lol

[thin ibex]

forget if you need to swap onto plasma pistol to get on hellblaster, i know you do with like... the captain so it would make sense

and i imagine you have to take the stormshield loadout to get put on bladeguard, but it doesn't necessarily say so here either

[thin ibex]

yeah i thought this was a bit funny too. I gues fall back and shoot is ok on them, but expensive to put a lieutenant on em for lol

i don't personally think that basic and assault intercessors are irrelevant myself tho

[floral herald]

Yeah lethal hits on normal guys especially ones who throw a lot of attacks out is pretty good

[thin ibex]

yep yep, the normal and assaults both throw out decent volume as a battleline unit, but generally at low strength, so lethal hits makes it a bit harder to ignore them

as they scratch more wounds off

[floral herald]

Khorne Chosen really like lethal hits cause their accursed weapons threaten pretty much anything with em

[thin ibex]

i do think the list i pitched to my friend is decently wolfy

but im not sure if i gave the enough means to drop tanks at 1k

they DO have enough means to engage other stuff decently tho

and the termies and invictor together at least have a chance to slap armor

[floral herald]

I find its just often really hard to include enough AT in a 1000 point list without messing something up

[thin ibex]

yeah

[mental birch]

Wait huh

[thin ibex]

i think there's enough possible double duty

on the list

[mental birch]

Am I mixing him up with he cap

Blah

Weird

[thin ibex]

possibly

[mental birch]

Don't think you need

To attach

Hmm

Where will it be written down

Oh!

[thin ibex]

i don't see the same restrictions as the cap, as the cap has the "bring a plasma to attach to the hellblasters" and the "bring the stormshield loadout to attach to the bladeguard" i think

but i imagine the intent is thats uniform

[mental birch]

Has he considered wolves?

[floral herald]

Huh that's weird

[mental birch]

The fenrisian wolf?

Unit

They're 30 points but so food

Goood

[thin ibex]

yeah, I'd like to include them, just didn't have the spare points on the list

if i dropped thunderwolves and the battle leader, i could

or dropped the termies

[floral herald]

Loadout specific joining reqs which don't change type seem weird

[thin ibex]

but i think the termies are a great pick

[mental birch]

Thunderwolves

[thin ibex]

for a starting player

[mental birch]

Are so good

[floral herald]

(Like having to be on a bike to join bikes)

[mental birch]

Termies are a brick

Hmmm

[thin ibex]

and all the stuff

that comes with the combat patrol

at least for now

are non negotiable

since he's gonna be very much playing with "what I've got" stuff

[mental birch]

Dair

Fair

[thin ibex]

maybe if he expands his collection it'll be less restrictive

[mental birch]

Like would consider dropping the LT for more actions

Until he gets like a hellblaster ir something

[thin ibex]

oh quick question, the termi chap recently got a new model right?

so thats buyable/accessible?

[mental birch]

Not sure should eh?

Be?

[thin ibex]

cause that was a thing i wanted to make sure of too

that he wouldn't have to go hunting for hte models too hard

to play at 1k

[floral herald]

I think there was a new chaplain recently but I don't remember what kind

[thin ibex]

wish me safe journey

for i go now

to search the new warhammer store

[floral herald]

Looks like a new termie chaplain yeah

[thin ibex]

ok sweet

thats pretty easily applicable to a wolf guard squad

to boost their lethality

[floral herald]

The less stylized skull feels a little weird to me but its a cool model

[thin ibex]

id love to suggest he swap the head for a more woldy one cause its a wolf priest

but

nah

he can build what comes in the box early on

for ease

i cant believe the iron priest can still be bought

i love it

hmm wolf guard termies are not so accessible

he might actually have to pick up normal termies

i think in his further future i can see a brutalis dread and possibly ragnar

i think aggressors can also be a solid early pick up

and the grav captain IS accessible

also i just noticed, Phobo librarian with hounds of morkai

gives them a 4++ and 4+++ against psychic attacks

for when you really just fucking hate psykers

[mental birch]

Stormlance is secretly a space wolves Detachment;)

[thin ibex]

oh yeah i know lol

but i figure they'd want to possibly play the wolfy detachment, because its their thing

also its decently flavorful at least

if much harder to optimize

i like the "here are 4 mini objectives that will buff your army" vibe

though one of those is "get hit but don't die with a character"

[unreal cosmos]

This is the old new one

[floral herald]

This is from like the 31st? There's a newer one?

[floral herald]

damb

That's a better model for space wolves imo

[thin ibex]

yeah i agree

i do think hed have to run normal termies and POSSIBLY run them AS wolf guard

but

this goes real nice with em

[floral herald]

less churchy looking and you can easily turn that chest skull into a wolf skull with a tiny bit of freehand

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah I generally like the aesthetic of the old new one better but this one is a cinch to convert

Important note, I think your friend should hold off on big purchases until after the new codex

Both because of rules changes and potential new models

[thin ibex]

for the wolves you mean?

or the new sm dex

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah

[thin ibex]

ah do we know when its slated to come out

[floral herald]

Is there a space wolf codex coming?

[unreal cosmos]

Yeah

[floral herald]

I thought they were just a kind of space marine now