Warhammer and Such

[naive abyss]

def

[jaunty dawn]

I really don't need an eldar army. at all. but the idea of starting a biel tan army with fleshing out a kill team and then picking up a bunch of rangers is very tempting haha

[naive abyss]

tbh you could prob slap dryad heads on eldar

[jaunty dawn]

probably!

[naive abyss]

greenstuff some roots on their armor'

bam space dryad lol

[unreal cosmos]

30k question: would black pauldrons be a good way to designate Ultramarine Inductii or would that read as something else?

[jaunty dawn]

it could read as destroyers? I guess?

or destroyer adjacent

[dense sedge]

I suspect that umbraneth will be coming as well, my conspiracy theory is that they will be the box for next edition while Daughters of Cain and Idoneth Deepkin leave the Grand Alliance Order to make their own new alliance (with blackjack and hookers)

[thin ibex]

Can yall imagine how big primaris tyberos would be

[jaunty dawn]

grand alliance meanies

grand alliance stabby ouchy

[tepid stratus]

Well there is the kurnothi that got an underworlds warband and nothing else

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

me and penny talked about them the other day

but even then they are like technically part of the sylvaneth?

i think?

like in terms of fluff

[tepid stratus]

They're kurnos' elves and unfortunately Kurnos ain't around to make more

So the sylvaneth have kind of adopted them

[jaunty dawn]

in game they're under sylvaneth

in lore they're a seperate thing

[naive abyss]

ah ok

i just remember when i briefly looked them up it says the came from one of the sylvaneth glades

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I think they live there but they're not spirits

[upper canopy]

Kurnous is still around

he's just a senitent evil glade

[tepid stratus]

And dying

Belthanos has to keep the hunt going or he dies

[dense sedge]

kurnos?

[naive abyss]

God of the hunt

[naive abyss]

Ngl that's a cool premise for a weird elf destruction faction

But they decided to just throw it under sylvaneth

Like it still sorta boggles my brain that belthanos doesn't have a deer or better yet hounds

Like he's literally aos orion lol

And weird like deer hounds with a tree person would've fucked

[unreal cosmos]

That was my worry. However since they'll be MkVI I was also thinking about just putting the Line unit symbol on their unstudded pauldron rather than the UM symbol, so that could clear that up

[jaunty dawn]

I think inductii are also indicated by like three little arrows

[pulsar cairn]

beakie armor?

[unreal cosmos]

I'll look that up! Was hoping there was something like that but couldn't find it

[unreal cosmos]

yeah

I have plans for starting an army with the two big HH boxes

[pulsar cairn]

which one is has the flat face again?

[jaunty dawn]

not sure what I was thinking of now haha

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/176qg6w/inductii_photos_from_white_dwarf_491_and_492_i/

but here!

[unreal cosmos]

Danke!

I like the checkerboard helmet stripe but my guys are gonna be helmetless

[pulsar cairn]

you speak german Genome?

i'm sorry if that's a dumb question

[unreal cosmos]

Not really I just use that word sometimes, my mom's Pennsylvania Dutch

[pulsar cairn]

i see

[unreal cosmos]

Oh I missed the commentary from the painters before, that's a nice touch

[naive abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/WarpMiniatures/status/1697692732959895837?t=MJZeV9tyGJ0uDxFOTsPIZg&s=19

I quite like these

https://vxtwitter.com/WarpMiniatures/status/1709829047671304350?t=yw1lH1judWqNjruVBvhCww&s=19

[unreal cosmos]

Potent vibes

[naive abyss]

My only nitpick is them having hair lol

Which oddly is inconsistent between the infantry and wolf riders oddly

[pastel rampart]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/warpminiatures/arcworlde-duel-of-the-dead Oh they have a KS that's about to end

[naive abyss]

Yeah. Some fun skeles and vamps

[pastel rampart]

I love his commitment to making everyone bug-eyed and crazy-looking

[naive abyss]

Lol yeah

Big like cartoon exaggerated faces energy

[pastel rampart]

https://fixupx.com/PatsoCatso/status/1719803203162644640?s=20

[naive abyss]

Lol

[mental birch]

I may have just looted XCOM2 and Xcom 2 for a 'natural' enemy for the warring factions in my campaign

Underwater rebellion!

[thin ibex]

@tepid stratus question! What's the general playstyles offered by the sylvaneth? On a cursory inspection I'm seeing "archers" and "monster mash, tree edition" and "bugs"

[cinder wraith]

i need

[naive abyss]

I mean Ngl that's basically all the range has lol

[thin ibex]

Seems like they play a lot with redeploy shenanigans

[naive abyss]

I know they have funky stuff with their terrain pieces

[mental birch]

Buy 3 of the tree terrain

From GW

Ynless they stopped making it a key mechanic where you can just drop terrain

[thin ibex]

oh im not actively purchasing anything for them atm, im just exploring them as a faction atm

test building a list

also want to make a skink themed list for a friend

[jaunty dawn]

you just need one set really

cause overgrown

and you can deploy 1 tree out of the set of 3

[jaunty dawn]

my sylvaneth are gonna be dreadwood and their thing is once per game doing two charges with no retaliation

using a unit of spiterider lancers and a unit of spite revenants who both get to teleport away after they attack

(the spiterider lancers get strike first so you can activate both before the opponent)

[thin ibex]

ohhh neat

my test list was a lot of tree revenants, some kurnoth greath bows, a tree lord, and a single unit of spite riders

hq was teh war singer or whatevever with the plant a tree ability, and then the ability to chain cast out of trees

[jaunty dawn]

yeah warsong revenant with spellsinger is pretty much the autotake for comp

[thin ibex]

oh damn, i didnt even realize lol, just seemed like a cool thing to do to get long range casting

[jaunty dawn]

it is cool!

[tepid stratus]

Depends on the glade you play, they can build hit and run, monster mash or magic heavy and with the new army of renown they have access to a Cav heavy search and destroy playstyle too

And yeah as penny said the warsong with spell singer is an auto include in every list that isn't the army of renown kinda irregardless of playstyle because of how good it is. Locally the big tree monster mash with heartwood or oakenbrow is popular but one of the high end comp guys that comes around has been big on winter leaf tallboy lists lately

• Army Faction: Sylvaneth
  • Subfaction: Winterleaf
    LEADERS
    Spirit of Durthu (350)
    Treelord Ancient (330)*
  • Spells: Regrowth, Verdant Blessing
    Warsong Revenant (300)*
  • General
  • Command Traits: Spellsinger
  • Artefacts of Power: Seed of Rebirth
  • Spells: Hoarfrost, Verdant Blessing
    BATTLELINE
    Dryads (100)*
    Dryads (100)*
    Dryads (100)*
    BEHEMOTH
    Treelord (230)*
    OTHER
    Revenant Seekers (460)*
    CORE BATTALIONS
    *Battle Regiment
    TOTAL POINTS: 1970/2000
    Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App

This was the list that topped my recent tournament

[thin ibex]

oh they seem to be a decent mix of horde and monster mash, with a nice caster able to be a bit safe

oh does reinforced literally mean there are twice as many models in the unit btw?

[jaunty dawn]

yeah

and battleline can be double reinforced for 3x models

[thin ibex]

30 skink per skink horde....

skinkocalypse

[tepid stratus]

Big trees tie shit down while the seekers go in for the kill. Hoarfrost to get their sickles on a better to hit and warsong does bardcrimes

Dryads just sit on objectives

[thin ibex]

make like a tree and sit on this objective

"you got it boss"

[tepid stratus]

That's literally the standard for starborne. 2x30 and a few 10 man's to fill points after you've picked your casters

[thin ibex]

mmm, im currently trying to build a theme list around only featuring skinks, but likely more varied and significantly sub optimal

cause the person in questions just likes the aesthetic and cute value

i think starborne is still the way to do skinks anyway tho

[tepid stratus]

How many points?

[thin ibex]

mm i targeted 2k, but i think ima redo it at 1k to keep it compact

im working with a thunderlizard detachment thing, but i wonder if im over investing into giant lizards rather than skinky bois

but the giant lizards most often have skinks ON them

so i think it counts

i wonder if id have more variety in skink loadouts purely for showcasing different looks

same with the hunters of huanchi

i don't know if hte bolas have a distinct look

for the record, her favorite skink character is tiqtakto

so i do think i need to skoot something out to get some raptodons

or ripperdactyls

this might be better

[tepid stratus]

• Army Faction: Seraphon
  • Army Type: Starborne
  • Subfaction: Fangs of Sotek
    LEADERS
    Skink Starseer (150)
    Skink Starpriest (130)
    Stegadon Chief (300)
  • General
  • Command Traits: Nimble Warleader
  • Sunfire Throwers
  • Artefacts of Power: Sacred Stegadon Helm
    Ripperdactyl Chief (110)
    BATTLELINE
    Skinks (270)
  • Boltspitter, Celestite Dagger and Star-buckler
    Skinks (270)
  • Boltspitter, Celestite Dagger and Star-buckler
    Raptadon Chargers (150)
    Raptadon Chargers (150)
    ARTILLERY
    Spawn of Chotec (120)
    Spawn of Chotec (120)
    OTHER
    Ripperdactyl Riders (110)
    Ripperdactyl Riders (110)
    Ripperdactyl Riders (110)
    TOTAL POINTS: 2100/2000
    Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App

My rapid fire dumb all skink idea

Better question is if this is for a new player, what's their painting and horde tolerance?

[thin ibex]

mm, for right now, actually acquiring is off the table, so its all hypothetical/ metnal imaging tbh

also did not realize raptadon riders were skinks! thats cool

they have their own cav

[tepid stratus]

Ye

[thin ibex]

and come with their own like teamwork rules on em

[tepid stratus]

I just threw a bunch of stuff with the skink keyword together

Admittedly as much as skink spam is popular, "oops all skinks" just isn't a list archetype that's played

[thin ibex]

yeah, i figure there are some pitfalls; if you have the patience to paint it all thoguh i bet it looks brilliant on the table

just this mass of lizards

[tepid stratus]

It's at least more colorful than zombie or rat hordes

I say as a guy that used to run 100 skeletons and still owns 80 zombies

[thin ibex]

lol

[tepid stratus]

But now my soulblight is "oops all vampires"

[thin ibex]

the image of all the colorful skink crests, the focal point star priests and seers, the big salamanders... mentally it looks sweet in my head at least

with a jungle themed table to match

[naive abyss]

I love the seraphon

Still prefer them in og but still

Stellar new models

[thin ibex]

heres a silly list for tau players

had not realized the triple pulse ordnance stack was so many attacks with anti infantry 2+

biggest bully vehicle ever

[pulsar cairn]

is Yvraine's group of eldar not as petty as the other ones or was the fall of cadia just too much of a problem even for them to ignore?

[thin ibex]

How do you mean?

And I don't think anyone could have ignored the birth of the cicatrix maledictum even if they wanted to

[upper canopy]

They were literally fighting for their lives during the Battle of Cadia

Their storylines were concurrant

[thin ibex]

essentially the fall of cadia was the culmination of a few storylines i think

[upper canopy]

The Fall of Cadia was the START of the storyline

Yvraine was busy fighting off infinite daemons and the entirety of Vect's forces

[desert jay]

So does Yvrane's thing just start with her showing up at Cadia and doing that evac as the planet is exploding?

[upper canopy]

No

It starts with her in an arena on Commorgh as she dies just as Eldrad summons Ynnead into the world

Becoming his prophet

[pulsar cairn]

[dense sedge]

there are rumors that the next kill team upgrade sprue would be night lords, what things would you like to see face them? I'd love to see a genestealer kill team but it's probably going to be more imperials

[thin ibex]

Night lords vs raven guard kill teams would honestly be kinda sick

Alternatively, night lords vs triarch praetorians maybe, or deathmarks

[dense sedge]

it should be a bespoke kill team too, which are always cool to see

[solemn gull]

I would say worse

[pulsar cairn]

that's uuuhhh

[thin ibex]

maybe it'll b a grudge match, Night Lords vs Salamanders

and we get a salamander kill team

[pulsar cairn]

that's impressive to say the least

[naive abyss]

ngl not sure how you figure that

[pulsar cairn]

hi unde

[thin ibex]

im actually just not clear on what the answer means? Like worse as in worse petty?

[naive abyss]

i would assume they mean more petty

[upper canopy]

It's worse than what Cadians were dealing with is how I read it

[pulsar cairn]

so...are they any worse?

or same lvl?

[naive abyss]

id say the ynnari are a bit more on average willing to cooperate

[solemn gull]

More petty literally brought some thousand sons back to life just to show Ahriman she could then turned them back into dust

“Oh you spent thousands of years trying to resurrect your brothers, look at how easily I can do it.”

[naive abyss]

i mean this is about more than just yvraine

and overall on average id definitely consider the ynnari less petty

considering theyre literally a coalition of all eldar and fairly actively have cooperated with the iom

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/LeovW5

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/JexzWd

[pulsar cairn]

im the one in the back

the short lad

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.manticgames.com/firefight/veermyn/veermynbattlegroup/ found an excellent proxy for Termites in 30k

probably not including the ratmen... probably

[soft willow]

There are a few good 3D printable options as well.

But you can always count on mantic to have a decent rip off of a GW product.

[unreal cosmos]

I'm interested if you have links to any of those, wanna shop around

though having looked into these specifically I'm very charmed by how easy they are to assemble

[pastel rampart]

https://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/home/211-BoringMachine.html There's always good ol' Ramshackle.

https://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/home/444-pug-tank-and-pug-trooper-unit.html

[unreal cosmos]

incredible

[thin ibex]

Oh! Question do any of yall have any resources for finding or printing like a single lascannon barrel? The fancy shadowsword my dad built has one of the sponson lascannons snapped right at the turret

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/death-guard-terrax-pattern-termite And, of course:

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/interstellar-army-tank-sponsons-updated

Cults has a bunch so I'd search around there for one you like.

All else fails, plasticard tubes can work. Get one slightly larger than the other to act as the muzzle end, cut short, and both cut at an angle.

[unreal cosmos]

scabrous!

[thin ibex]

Thank you!

[unreal cosmos]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/draugr-pattern-breaching-drill oh this is a pretty unique shape

[pastel rampart]

Looks like a modified titan CCW with some wheels slapped on.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1481101588/sci-fi-mole-assault-drill-for-space Pretty affordable. Dunno if this is their own STL design or someone else's.

[soft willow]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/termite-mk2

[unreal cosmos]

Ooo, nice! Thanks for the support folks

[soft willow]

I was in the same boat looking at termite drills for Admech and going nah that’s not worth 140 plus shipping.

[pastel rampart]

Personally I'm dumb enough to make those out of Pringles cans cut at an angle and with a bunch of plasticard so it looks like it's coming out of the ground.

[soft willow]

Which is neat until true line of sight rules make that a “competitive advantage”

But also please continue to make cool pringles can termite drills.

[unreal cosmos]

yeah

I wasn't into the concept at first but have since realized that Breachers with volkite chargers hopping out of a Termite is maybe the most "unique to Horus Heresy" thing you can do with a simple troops unit

[dense sedge]

a drill tank would be a cool addition for the gsc

just like an underminer style thing

[onyx elm]

Mortismal Gaming just did a rundown of the Rogue Traders CRPG.

https://youtu.be/r4K5HQibPHg?si=yNzXx10b61CiQ5fZ

[dense sedge]

very excited for this

[dense sedge]

a ymgarl genestealer kill team would've been pretty cool

[brittle salmon]

I'm honestly shocked they didn't bring out a Tyranid/Genestealer team for Gallowdark

Seemed like a real no brainer

[dense sedge]

the triumps feel a lot less interesting for backstory then they were in the beta

[brittle salmon]

How so?

[dense sedge]

the beta was a bit of a choose your own adventure kinda deal, like where was it, and then you chose what you do. They were a lo more detailed and felt like they gave you a better sense of who you were.

wel there was only two options, such as choosing to be involved in a city that revolted and leading your men recklessly taking it quickly despite heavy losses

[brittle salmon]

Interesting

Probably cut for time tho

[long void]

Probably some weird limbo between the gallowdark releases and the tyranid range updates

Also... with new Terminator and Genestealer sculpts, perhaps we'll get a new Space Hulk release?

[mental birch]

I just want Genestealer vs Terminator as a killteam box hahahaha

[brittle salmon]

Ah that's a fair point actually

And yeah like let's be real

[mental birch]

They missed the chance with the Gallowdark

like a literal space hulk killteam season

and like

no iconic space hulk

[floral herald]

Termies feel real hard to fit into KT

I could see a deathwatch bespoke with a terminator specialist though

Too tough to make a 5-6 model kt, and 4 model kts suck cause playing 12 actions is rough

And unlike stodes its hard to have filler

[brittle salmon]

My opinion on this is basically: they made Custodes fit, they can do Terminators

I'd do it like

4 big main boys and 2 supporting units

[floral herald]

That's why I suggested a mixed armor KT with some access to termies

[brittle salmon]

Servitors or whatever space marines use instead of a C.A.T

[mental birch]

Autocannon/Flamer, Powersword, 2x Fist+Bolter

[floral herald]

Cause a pure terminator squad is at an awkward power scale

[mental birch]

and add in 2 scanners

[floral herald]

SMs also use a CAT its from Space Hulk originally

4 termies and 2 supports could work but feels tricky to execute on

But I guess it doesn't have to be like super flexible or top end

A lot of KTs have weird matchup spreads and that's fine, I don't mean to sound backhanded

[brittle salmon]

It's an interesting space for sure

the real KT we need is an actual Deathwatch Kill Team tho

So basically I think I agree with you Cyan lol

[floral herald]

Compendium DW are pretty great for a compendium team

[brittle salmon]

Mixed armour KT

[floral herald]

In terms of options and such but a mixed armor KT would be great

[brittle salmon]

They are but I don't really like compendium kill teams

They feel less Your Dudes

[floral herald]

I think the DW one is one of the best for that but yeah word

This is a lot for a compendium squad

On the other hand they have... 3 tactical ploys

[brittle salmon]

Yeah that's my issue

[pulsar cairn]

ya know

black legion is like the ultra marines for chaos

people say that

but i see them more like a death watch for chaos

cause of the idea of people from different warbands joining up together

[naive abyss]

I think they share more parallels with ultra ultimately

Leader is the leader, they're the faces, somehow are everywhere, are baseline in terms of visuals etc

They do share the deathwatch thing of taking whoever though

[naive abyss]

Tbh I'm leery of anything with this now after that one horrid interview about same sex romances and stuff lol

[deft crest]

That was the one where your only gay choice was a Drukhari right?

[onyx elm]

What? If that's true then it's a lame move.

[pulsar cairn]

i'm not a huge drukhari fan

they spook me

[pulsar cairn]

btw is it worse to be an emperor's children prisoner or a drukhari prisoner?

same level?

i just assumed they were just as horrible cause both do weird stuff cause of slaneesh

[naive abyss]

Something like that yeah

And just giving some weak as fuck reasons

[thin ibex]

I think, ultimately, the distinction is moot as I doubt one would be doing a level evaluation of either situation and they would both really suck

[naive abyss]

https://youtu.be/F7UZsc2v_Ag?si=S_WEibfRXGCNqTP4

[deft crest]

DA RED GOBBO rules

[pulsar cairn]

gobbo

spoiler for the video || dang that ork died to a single stabb? ||

[thin ibex]

does every faction currently have a combat patrol?

[spice flicker]

Not knights

Still waiting for that one

[thin ibex]

oh ok well yeah that makes sense

i was gonna build every combat patrol in TTS to make it easier for my friends to do pick up games

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/03/get-ready-to-spread-festive-cheer-with-da-red-gobbos-surprise/

[junior robin]

finally, tactical chimney.

[dense sedge]

what were the things that ymgarl genestealers would get at the start of turn on a d6 roll again?

[pastel rampart]

https://images.reapermini.com/4/77903_w_2.jpg

I wonder how much I can khorne-ify this dude.

I got him sitting around and he'd make for a good bloodthirster.

10" wingspan gonna make him a pain to transport tho.

[thin ibex]

possible to make the wings detachable?

[pastel rampart]

Theoretically. They slot into the back but I'm not so confident that they'd stay put during play.

[thin ibex]

reinforce with magnets perhaps?

[pastel rampart]

Maaaaybe. This is made from Bones material so it's a little on the soft side.

https://images.reapermini.com/static/content/bones4/Narglauth2.jpg

He big tho

https://www.reapermini.com/miniatures/fire demon/latest/77903 Quite affordable at $30.

[runic swallow]

I prefer when they lean into the “Fae kingdom” stuff rather than the “Hellraiser 24/7” stuff

Like, Hellraiser has its place, but gimme more of that “have a magic mirror that you can shatter to cause everyone reflected in it to shatter too” stuff

That used to be an item they had!

[long void]

Dang, why would they get rid of that?

Unseelie Drukhari is a great vibe.

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/Darktide40K/status/1720516550946410923

[junior summit]

world's most average guardsman

except for the non-regulation hair

[naive abyss]

Why does he look like a greasymobster who wears track suits

He even has the chain

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-italiano-gif-25255220

[thin ibex]

tony, tony the guardsman

[naive abyss]

Like literally lol

[tired cairn]

That's why he's been charged with insubordination

[pastel rampart]

Those bloodletters finally came in and just

they reek of old weed

Which perhaps explains why they were so cheap.

[past sphinx]

every guardsmen eventually become the 40k equivalent of the E4 mafia

a term i realize i have no good way of explaining

[thin ibex]

ive seen it come up somewhere else before, i just presumed there was a weird comraderie amongst E4's

[past sphinx]

It's the last rank you can get without serious time, iirc it's 3 to 5 years to gain sargent rank and that's around 1 term of enlistment so a lot of dudes and gals end up at E4 with the entire apparatus above them and all the fresh meat below

Thr corporal is gods most dangerous animal as they know witch doors are locked

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKBhQKo7QA/ ooo these are some good looks

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The work on Desecrators of Abyss squad is going on :) And two more sisters are here today to show you the current progress!
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[naive abyss]

ngl i dig them overall but im aggressively squinting at the like arrows that almost look like hands holding their boobplate

[quaint compass]

Yeah I get those vibes from 'em too

All the other arrow-accents on other chaos stuff are much chunkier and those are thin, seemingly to facilitate the grab.

[naive abyss]

they also are connect to like criscrossed things that almost look like arms

[pastel rampart]

https://c10.patreonusercontent.com/4/patreon-media/p/post/91653778/49913302591c476093e7c7322fe22e2f/eyJxIjoxMDAsIndlYnAiOjB9/1.png?token-time=1700352000&token-hash=Sc5pzGC-CfnVjpdzFAB5-5Ou977z9inUBXh2FEw_790%3D

OPR droppin' some good shit soon

[naive abyss]

oh those space slayers are good

quite like the vehicle too

also i appreciat the cable beards a ref to the og squat model

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1720454769079103978

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1719020767570952253

[onyx elm]

"Ey, word from the Emperor says it'll be ring-a-ding-ding for dem Xenos bozos. And dat goes double for dose heretic greaseballs, capeche?"

[floral herald]

3 days until the end and the death part 2

[rocky crypt]

Mine's coming on Thursday

[pulsar cairn]

yes it me! im john darktide

[modern tiger]

https://fixupx.com/kitto_paint/status/1620140819977244672?s=46

[pulsar cairn]

cute

[pulsar cairn]

do Ogryns get medals very often? heard the ogryn from darktide saying "do as told, get medal, simple"

[tired cairn]

I really want an ogryn darktide skin that has North Korean general level of medals

[onyx elm]

All made of painted lead

[runic swallow]

Nah, Idi Amin levels

Gotta go all the way down to the bottom of the shirt

[pastel rampart]

They look like medals but are actually just shiny bottlecaps when you look close enough.

[unreal cosmos]

https://thumb.tildacdn.com/stor3362-3363-4430-b938-336162396532/-/format/webp/91583999.jpg so these are intended for Blood Ravens but I'm pondering if they could be good for Imperium Secundus

[pulsar cairn]

still counts!

[unreal cosmos]

excellent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162709648313417729/1170410727153078302/IMG_20231104_131336076.jpg?ex=6558f0ee&is=65467bee&hm=bf29ba0f854c445c91813db9d316704240d2b1149022e6e78b346d1f6e3c651a& It Begins (months from now when I work up the nerve to actually paint anything)

[pulsar cairn]

what are you going to paint them as?

[unreal cosmos]

Ultramarines! But kinda weird ones. Still ironing out plans.

Had been thinking retro colors, yellow for the gold and all that, but now I'm thinking something sliiightly more subdued

It's gonna be a while anyway, most of these guys will probably be Breachers and I haven't pinned down my plans for sourcing the shields

Probably going to resell the dreadnought though

https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/a/a7/Timber_Wolf_RGilClan_v05.png?timestamp=20210420220557 it looks too much like a Mad Cat

[pulsar cairn]

i like 30k ultras

[unreal cosmos]

they have a lot going on!

[pulsar cairn]

you got any of the cool looking dreadnoughts? or just marines?

[unreal cosmos]

Not yet but when I have more money I plan on buying the Age of Darkness box and that's got a contemptor in it

maybe a leviathan later down the line

[pulsar cairn]

i like contemptors it's a shame u don't see them around anymore

[unreal cosmos]

I kinda like the divide between aesthetics

I used to not care for them at all, too human-shaped, but I guess I'm a sucker for fresh plastic

[uneven ember]

I might have mentioned it before, but I still think it's funny: there was a Slaaneshi NPC in my one DH game who was insistent that the Emperor, at least as worshipped by the Imperial Cult, was an aspect of Khorne.
"All the 'victory or death' preaching is 'only that the blood flows' with extra steps. It's the same unfocused aggression, the same pointless destruction, the same tedious war god with the same skull fetish."

[floral herald]

This is also what the Blood Pact (and most of the chaos people in the Sabbat Worlds) believed

That the Emperor was either an aspect of one of the gods, or another entity like them

And the Imperial Cult were heretics who denied the proper divinity of the GEOM

[uneven ember]

heh, I dig it

[unreal cosmos]

Neat

[floral herald]

It's a cool take on chaos

[naive abyss]

thats a vibe

its sorta similar in a sense to my chaos warriors warband

[ebon forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7qFOh9KVxE found this cute, wanted to share

[naive abyss]

if in sorta the inverse sense

where they see the gods as parasites on pure chaos

and worship like the ontological like uhh "pure" idea of chaos

[floral herald]

I think its really interesting to do stuff with the various ways the chaos gods can work as an actual religion

[naive abyss]

which somehow is working. so something either is listening who has an agenda or maybe they have a point who knows lol

[naive abyss]

def

like the warband also does not even sorta treatsie with aligned warbands

they are like kill on sight with them

[floral herald]

I forget the codex but there's a funny short story about 2 khorne champions who have a theological argument about whether khorne likes it more if you kill the strongest champions in single combat or indescriminately kill anyone

[naive abyss]

lol

[floral herald]

I forget how it ended exactly they spent a year doing their strategy and then dueled to see who khorne favored

[uneven ember]

that is cute

[ebon forge]

That's ADORABLE

[naive abyss]

also very random

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9qx7e9HbhF/?hl=en

david.gallagher.art

The cannon
An open brief for a full page image was the best way to be creative, I generally had no idea what I would do when I started it, and even at the early stages the story was playing out in my head as I drew.
This was the second version of this, the initial one was a more general composition but I decided to restart it with this more dram...

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but i never knew the name of this artist for like this style of warhammer art

but now i do and ngl they may do like almost all of my fave warhammer art

though blanche def still has my fave brett art lol

[floral herald]

David Gallagher's stuff is great

I like his subdued color stuff

[naive abyss]

i just love how he does like groups of people

like i dont think ive ever seen better depictions of like armies or crowds

[floral herald]

I think he did a bunch of stuff which was used for dark heresy

[uneven ember]

There was a bit I read, I think it was in the Liber Chaotica, where Champions of the Chaos Gods were arguing about their respective divine supremacy.

The Champions of Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh all made eloquent arguments for their point, and then of course the Champion of Khorne wordlessly started killing them all.

[floral herald]

I think Karl Kopinski is my personal favorite for warhammer illustrators

This piece is sick and seeing it in the 4e core rules was a big thing for my image of the imperium

[naive abyss]

i think he does allot of the modern covers

cuz this reminds me of the guard dex cover we most recently got

[upper canopy]

Yo

[naive abyss]

hes def up ther for 40k art

[upper canopy]

New roommates have 3d printer

[naive abyss]

due to like how scrunkly he makes everyone look

[upper canopy]

It is TIME

[naive abyss]

also nice

lol

[floral herald]

I love these space marines too

[naive abyss]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzxjDCQn8qs/?hl=en

david.gallagher.art

Box cover
I’m sure this was a supplement box cover but can’t actually remember what it was supplemental to.
Back in a time when there was still a sense of fun in the air.
Gouache on board
#illustration #art #artistsoninstagram #boxcover #bookcover #fantasy #fantasyart #orc #goblin #dungeonsanddragons #gouache

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i love how goofy this is

[floral herald]

the jester goblin with a little jester stick is really good

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

gallagher def is my top prob

in part cuz i think he was doing allot of the army book covers when i was first getting into shit as a like pubescent lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1vZ0Unny6-/?hl=en

david.gallagher.art

Soldiers
Although I quite like these mass battle images but also do very firmly believe they do not make good book covers as the content just disappears into texture from any distance and the sole purpose of a cover is to draw the eye from that distance.
Nevertheless it was the requirement for many years and I did quite a few in that time.
I thi...

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like this guard cover is burned into my mind

[floral herald]

Yeah that's super iconic

These mfs with knives are a super great element

[upper canopy]

Cultists with the fucking kunai

[runic swallow]

That was the cover of the getting started collection I began 40k with!

[naive abyss]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B78GaHYHgh2/?hl=en

david.gallagher.art

Picturing the story
I could have just illustrated the green knight as a standard combat picture but wanted something with a little more to it. The green knight idea has been around for a long time and this iteration of it fitted into the background story being illustrated.
The main character here is the knight/king about to be overwhelmed by ene...

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[naive abyss]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGMmi30HOzg/?hl=en

david.gallagher.art

Fanatics
I explored a couple of alternative cover ideas like this one, unbriefed and speculative ideas like this were deliberately loose and quite sketchy, unfinished even, they were a way way of presenting different ideas, particularly for covers, they were quick ideas not especially planned to be as rough as this though they were finished enou...

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david.gallagher.art

Reality of Gods
I had started to draft out a different image but was then given a specific request to make the central figure match a previous image, a bit of a missed opportunity for a god of constant change I thought, so this is version 2.
I did include a couple of visual links to other related images I had done including some of the concept ...

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david.gallagher.art

Underground
A battle pic in the underground.
An assault on, or a breakout from, a subterranean stronghold, the viewer can decide.
Ink on board
#ink #fantasy #gothic #characterart #illustration #conceptartenvironment #conceptart

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david.gallagher.art

Sunset battle
This is the original version of this painting, it was toned down digitally for the printed cover.
I prefer a close focus scene featuring large foreground characters, the battle becomes a background texture, the focal figures concentrate on a more personal one to one conflict. It’s a more narrative character driven approach over a ...

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david.gallagher.art

The Gate
Travelling through dimensions is something that’s referred to in novels and stories but what would that actually look like.
An easier task in films or animated scenes as flashes of light and moving effects etc., can distract from any awkwardness or using slick digital art effects to help, not something I could do when I painted this wit...

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Cartoon
A light hearted little graphic intended to sit at the bottom left of a page. Most of these ideas were inspired by classic cartoons like tom and jerry and roadrunner, where slapstick violence was so over the top yet the protagonists always continued the never ending conflict, albeit with some loss of dignity.

Pen and ink on board
#illust...

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Daemon
Underlighting on vignettes doesnt always look right so the base detail helps contextualise it. I think it may have been just a general use image rather than for a specific purpose.
Ink on board
#graphicdesign #illustration #fantasyart #gothic #characterdesign #ink #daemon #chaos #characterart

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Battle
One of a series of battle pictures I did as double page spreads, unencumbered by layout and text placement issues these were almost a personal project, driven entirely by what I thought would be entertaining to do. Each one had a narrative that drove the composition, I cant remember those now but it helped each scene to feel unique and m...

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Flow
A box cover, sometimes these can be quite constricted by the visible area between the logo and other graphics on a box cover and the commercial requirements of including a list of participants.
I thought about this composition as a flow of movement from one side against a more static focal point, like a wave breaking on the shore. The final...

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damn he did maybe my fave gobo vs dorf art

[thin ibex]

Every time I play darktide I think to myself "there is no way I could play a guard list without bringing ogryns"

[lofty warren]

I like the ones with big shields

I wish they had backpacks though

Giant backpacks

[pine matrix]

Oh man, that ship in the background is magnificent

I always wanted more whacky turbo-Renaissance stuff

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x87IO9Hc1o

[thin ibex]

Idea for a potential crusade starting list

[naive abyss]

oh shit this person has some guides on painting iybraesil i have saved

i recognize the icon on the channel

hell yeah fellow space amazons fan

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/KharadronOverlords/comments/l30bof/my_take_on_a_grimdark_skyfleet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[junior robin]

"in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only smokestacks"

[naive abyss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/orks/comments/17nq4mj/now_this_is_podracing_ladz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguesofVotann/comments/17nru9p/size_hints_against_land_fortress_via_warhammers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[soft willow]

Looks like it's going to be a huge resin bastard.

[pastel rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/AlexLeartist/status/1720384843840651272

[naive abyss]

https://www.deviantart.com/nictanova/art/guardsman-of-Vostroyan-58nd-Firstborn-Regiment-992419345

[thin ibex]

You know, I realize the lancer is a much more efficient AT platform than, say, the predator annihilator, but how much worse is it?

For the points?

Thinking about theme lists and Firstborn stuff

It's obviously still gonna be seeing service on the fields of warhammer

[brittle salmon]

It's 30 less points, trading 2 shots of (ideally) 2+ S14 AP-3 D6+3, rerolling one hit/wound/damage roll across both shots, for one shot of 3+ S14 AP-3 D6+1 rerolling wounds and 2 shots of S12 AP-3 D6+1

And rerolling damage rolls of 1

The Annihilator has the higher theoretical damage but it has a significantly lower average

The laser destroyer can also hit the entire map where the Annihilator might need to finagle its position and open itself to other 48" weapons

Overall its honestly workable but theres no denying its the worse platform

[ebon forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933909375083503657/1170613676965900328/image.png?ex=6559adf1&is=654738f1&hm=01f39dbc72d646d68bb134b4526510e766f3eb07e043069de73ac481ac0dc24d& it is bad I almost screamed on top of my lungs when he said the line?

[thin ibex]

Ok yeah that adds up to what I was thinking, it's still gonna likely be serviceable in a role, not competitive, but not incapable in its own right, so if it's the model you got or you can get one many times cheaper second hand than a Lancer for irl "what I've got" lists in casuals, it's not a total waste

I was honestly thinking about theme lists for SW since they invented the Annihilator

[brittle salmon]

That'd be cool!

[upper canopy]

https://youtu.be/AOjJpmnnm7U?si=rzPjJcWoz53k9C-P

[quaint compass]

FOR KARL

[past sphinx]

MFW the resin model division makes a resin model and people complain its a resin model

[past sphinx]

That thing looks near crassus sized

[ebon forge]

Does in any media the eldar pronounce Mon-Keigh as 'Monkey'?
I always heard as Moon-Kay but for some reason in warhammer: Inquisitor they pronounce Monkey

[thin ibex]

i usually pronounce mon-kay or mon-k(eye)

[onyx elm]

Mon-Kai, that's what I hears.

[naive abyss]

I mean ultimately it's meant to vaguely sound like monkey lol

Like that's literally the point/joke

[jaunty dawn]

pronouncing it silly is also part of the joke imo

[naive abyss]

Definitely

All I mean by what I said is as long as you say it in some silly "monkey" adjacent way you're correct lol

It's like how waaaggh is just accented to fuck "waaarrr" lol

Like as long as you're adjacent to the sound you're good lol

On another note I think aos should get a darkoath faction or like a faction based on the kislev baba yaga aesthetic

[tepid stratus]

At one point we thought darkoath where gonna get their own book but the second edition slaves to darkness book roped them back in

I wish darkoath got enough support to properly run standalone

[naive abyss]

agreed

theres enough there for it imo

[tepid stratus]

Ideally they just need a monster, a caster hero and some elite troops

And a mounted hero option

[naive abyss]

thats honestly my one real complaing with slaves atm

theyve tossed way too much into them

like cypher lords not being in the tzeentch faction range boggles my mind ngl

[tepid stratus]

They've become the bucket for everything that isn't monogod or beasts. Instead of the armoured Legions of the everchosen

[naive abyss]

i mean tbh i dont even think its just undivided stuff in there lol

like cyphers are absolutely mono imo

[tepid stratus]

I'd dig it if belakor finally does his big betrayal and we get a legion of the first prince as a standalone army with more units in the legionaries aesthetic of his warcry boys

[naive abyss]

i like belakor

but i alas am not into the legionnaires

they just sorta feel like doofy warriors but in gambesons

[pulsar cairn]

black legion dudes?

[naive abyss]

no

[pulsar cairn]

oh

well

[storm schooner]

I like Legionnaires

[pulsar cairn]

their armor looks kinda cool

[storm schooner]

I need to actually finish painting mine

[naive abyss]

valid

[storm schooner]

because I've been procrastinating it for like a year by now

[tepid stratus]

I dig them as the solid in between of the cultists and the walking refrigerators

[naive abyss]

i thnk its this weird thing of like idk something withhow they are designed they feel like they are like bretonnian peasant infantry with somewhat nicer equipment that someone like kitbashed into chaos by gluing lots of random spikes everywhere lol

[tepid stratus]

I think that's your love of bretonnia talking too much lol

[naive abyss]

i mean not really?

considering this is how i felt when i was still down on brett lol

[floral herald]

I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree haha

[tepid stratus]

But I can see what you mean. Not much in fantasy/AOS really uses the gambeson and helmet aesthetic like that

[naive abyss]

also the armor is like oddly korean

which throws my brain ngl

[floral herald]

I’m not sold on the majority of AoS Chaos models (too many chaos wastes swimsuit calendar models imo) but those look sick

[tepid stratus]

If anything that's a good thing IMO. While I'm not familiar with Korean armour design I'm all for drawing more inspirations than just European

[naive abyss]

fair just for me it ends up in like this weird like liminal place of its aggressively smashing like british footmen into like korean

its a similar thing with how lumineth confuse teh shit out of my brain and end up feeling weird to me

cuz they have like chinese sprinkled in and sorta odd ways to overall what is very much like tolkein helf lol

[storm schooner]

That type of armour was used across the world

[floral herald]

I doubt this is a question of semi-historical accuracy haha

Just an aesthetic thing

[naive abyss]

yeah

[pulsar cairn]

i don't know why i thought of feet people when unde said "footmen" i feel silly now

[tepid stratus]

I mean I'd sooner call them Greek than Tolkien outside of a few particular pieces

[naive abyss]

i mean they are helfs with more horsehair crests lol

[tepid stratus]

But then again I was never big on Tolkien's work

[naive abyss]

like theres also greek in there yeah

but its way less there than allot of the stuff

tbh aos does have a bizarre grecofication trend with some factions imo

like with fyreslayers at leat in their og range just feeling like spartan dorfs loll

[floral herald]

I think it’s the color scheme more than anything else but they remind me of the lotr easterling models GW also made

[tepid stratus]

All the elf factions have clear Greco/roman inspirations. DoK even debuted with a Greek fresco trailer teaser

[naive abyss]

lumineth or the legionnaires?

cuz i def see that with the legionnaires

thats mostly due to the helmets i thik

very similar shape

[naive abyss]

i mean not all id say

sylvaneth are still very celtic more or less

[floral herald]

Legionnaires

It’s less similar than my memory but a similar rusty red on black on metal color scheme

[tepid stratus]

Sylvaneth do be the exception, which makes sense since they can hardly be called elves anymore

[naive abyss]

but yeah theres a quite a few greco dna aesthetics floating around in aos

the one that bugged me the most was fyrelslayers though

which ironically is a thing they more or less abandone with the warcry band

tbh i hop we eventually a slayer range refresh that pulls from that warbands visuals

cu its like the fyrelslayers done way better imo

man this is a good holiday box for seraphon

[tepid stratus]

Yeah it's quality for a coalesced player

[pulsar cairn]

any samurai looking dudes?

i like samurai stuff

[naive abyss]

the only ones i can think of are the lumineth swordmasters

and the vampire warband

i wonder if theyre gonna show the summerking this week

[pulsar cairn]

those helmet shapes remind me of eldar

[tepid stratus]

Bonereapers have a Roman/samurai sort of aesthetic. There's also an underworlds warband the scions of the flames that have Japanese vibes

[naive abyss]

its the inverse lol

cuz eldar are just space helves at their origin point lol

[naive abyss]

i dont really see the samurai there?

in either case tbh lol

the trueblades are definitely the most overt though

[tepid stratus]

The command models definitely got the vibe IMO

And yeah shit how did the askurgans not come to mind? I literally play those dudes. Great ronin vibes

[naive abyss]

fair they alwasy read as like greco persians to me

[tepid stratus]

Yeah I definitely see it. Especially in the normal dudes. It's just the extra gubbins on the command models do a lot to invoke more ornate samurai armour in my mind

Katakros is absolutely just the undead lovechild of Leonidas and Xerxes in aesthetic

[naive abyss]

lol fair

for me its just i know how silly persian helmets get

but i do get what you mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq2A4rhBIG4&t=7s&ab_channel=AnvilofDoomMiniatures

i find this immensley funny ngl lol

[unreal cosmos]

Given Warhammer's origins I'm kind of surprised that there aren't more samurai in either setting/system

[naive abyss]

im not sure if i follow that reasoning

considering it came from old dnd minis lol

[unreal cosmos]

Wacky sci-fi/fantasy from the 80s and 90s with a lot of historical analogues that are more focused on "rule of cool" than cultural sensitivity

[naive abyss]

though at the same time theres allot of partial dna of that in the oldhammer elfs lol

[naive abyss]

i mean it came from tolkein fantasy

like pretty explicitly lol

cuz its like the mutated child of like runequest/dnd mixed with elric of melnibone

now 40k has allot more of the eighties and nineties thing

considering the eldar literally have dojos and shit lol

[unreal cosmos]

okay let me put this another way: I'm surprised there isn't a prominent samurai-themed SM chapter

[jaunty dawn]

cypher lords are definitely the 'probably tzeentch' of the original warbands but it's pretty easy to see how they could be slaanesh tbh

[naive abyss]

i mean

they literally are hiding mutations and their whole thing is manipulation and weird magic

[jaunty dawn]

it's also perfecting their bodies

[naive abyss]

i dont think thats a thing with them?

[jaunty dawn]

in any case the whole point of warcry was that the warbands were too small time to know the big picture

[floral herald]

My dad has a bunch of old D&D samurai haha

[naive abyss]

for sure but thats like past where warhammer mutated from if memory serves

[floral herald]

I think I know when my dad's minis are from

[naive abyss]

also its due to like them also having being a historical model producer

[jaunty dawn]

their basic ability is doing acrobatic stuff

and they're swole af

[naive abyss]

thats

not the cyphers

[thin ibex]

I'm surprised at the lack of samurai caricature purely on the grounds that warhammer is built on making hyperbolic warrior culture caricatures

[naive abyss]

these are cyphers lol

[jaunty dawn]

yeah I know what I'm talking about go figure

[naive abyss]

what

ngl im confused

[naive abyss]

im not saying they arent acrobatic

but you said buff as fuck which makes me think of the actual tzeentch infantry not the cyphers

[jaunty dawn]

like look at this guy

[tepid stratus]

The dudes in the unit do look pretty ripped

[naive abyss]

i mean ill be real by warhammer standards that doesnt register as buff as fuck lol

like especially considering these dudes lol

[thin ibex]

They're certainly not slim

[tepid stratus]

It's just not as egregious as the arcanites because there's women in the unit to balance it out

[naive abyss]

i mean woman can also be buff as fuck

like the darkoath savagers are buff as fuck and are also still coed lol

[tepid stratus]

Point taken, the two hander ladies in the savagers make stormcast look scrawny

[naive abyss]

lol yeah

love the savagers

one of my fave chaos human units

[tepid stratus]

"we aren't cool enough to be blessed and put in the cursed armour so we embraced the dark power of protein instead!"

[naive abyss]

well with darkoath they have like a weird unvided thing going on right?

like they are chaos juiced just to a lesser degree if memory serves

[thin ibex]

The thing warhammer and 40k don't tell you is that the only thing more plentiful than lives is grams of protein

[jaunty dawn]

darkoaths get juiced yeah

[thin ibex]

Even the most destitute of slum living serfs are ripped

[jaunty dawn]

they make oaths and then do them and get juiced

[thin ibex]

All that free time just pumping iron

The emperor, Sigmar, chaos gods? All gym bros

[storm schooner]

slum living serfs gotta get buff

to over power the slum living rats

[thin ibex]

They're also all built like body builders rather than trained like soldiers or warriors, maintaining a sub 5% body fat percentage and staying pumped for the dark gods

Mid combats squats and pose practice

I'm pretty sure in the warhammer world, even a peasant in the grips of the most recent demon plague will bench their body weight + 30%

I don't even know how Catachans find the time to iso train specific muscle groups

Swole, by the grace of the God-Emperor

[floral herald]

The other kind of Iron Warrior

[desert jay]

Broke: Space Marines with perfect muscle definition
Woke: Space Marines with enough fat reserves to go an entire month on minimal rations

[onyx elm]

Space Marines should be built like barrels, not bodybuilders.

[pulsar cairn]

i mean

they are a buncha of weirdos anyway

https://tenor.com/view/epic-facepalm-fat-guy-fat-guy-facepalm-oh-no-noooo-gif-23718365

you mean like this guy?

[lofty warren]

idk i think weightlifters also arent a good fit

cause they are so specialized for one kind of strength

honestly space marines being physically strong i think is secondary to them needing to be fast. thus i suggest beanpole marines

[pastel rampart]

Dave Bautista is close to what a marine would probably look like.

[lofty warren]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

space marines should just be a brain in a jar

this post brought to you by the iron hands

[solemn gull]

Mf I can’t even with the iron hands

[jaunty dawn]

you don't even need half the brain really

[solemn gull]

Why go through all that process of making a super dude just to replace a bunch of them with machine

[thin ibex]

space marines i struggle less to understand their body types, because of the options in the imperium, they are most likely to have the support structure, access to protein and nutrition, and strict regimented lifestyle to go with a wealth of biomodding to allow them to have a highly optimised athletic build that also supports resiliency. It's the normal humans who look like if they went off diet plan for a couple days they might die

though also, the more athleticly optimised a space marine becomes, the more vulnerable to disruption their physique and body can become in a few ways

i do think depictions actually don't do a terrible job for space marine physique though, with thicker waists than your average body builder n such

[pastel rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306142936494768139/1170810573303316490/image0-91.jpg?ex=655a6551&is=6547f051&hm=8478ded492460237afea117e23e6a2b146e7b5f0dd6eb2b61dadacad42626c4d&

[lofty warren]

immediately adopting this as a headcanon

[pulsar cairn]

ya know

[pastel rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/jkuqlg/my_nearly_finished_chaos_lord_i_really_like_this/ Also, think I finally found a color scheme for my warriors of chaos.

[pulsar cairn]

that's kind of what happens

[pastel rampart]

https://discourse.chaos-dwarfs.com/t/how-to-paint-grim-dark-white-armour/939 An adoption of these two, more or less.

[pulsar cairn]

we are not sure if it it's actually what Alpharius is doing cause alpha legion but Alpharius did get contacted by the Cabal and they told him that

[lofty warren]

i dont actually care about warhammer lore just the funny bits

i take gw's writing as a suggestion to be duly considered and then summarily discarded

[pulsar cairn]

:c

[long void]

Messy history and facts are interesting.

There's probably some important records buried deep in a forgotten drawer of some administrator's branch office.

[solemn gull]

This is the correct way to view 40k lore and if you do it then it becomes unfunny

There is a 40k planet called Birmingham

All hail rogue trader

[pastel rampart]

Nurgle champ on giant worm (count-as Horticulous Slimux)

[pulsar cairn]

@naive abyss hehe

[cinder wraith]

templar terminator marshal

stoll WIP

[naive abyss]

ngl i find it hilarious you ultimately are goiung with something that may end up harder to pain than the classic black lol

[naive abyss]

is that a new episode?

[pulsar cairn]

nah, just thought u would like the art

i did miss that episode tho

[naive abyss]

mm mm

[pulsar cairn]

don't remember a thing about it

[pastel rampart]

Airbrush, friendo.

Lay down a bone white (like zandri dust), airbrush an off-white, paint on gold and then a burnt umbra oil wash. It'll do 90% of the work.

[jaunty dawn]

looks great too

[naive abyss]

lol fair

[pastel rampart]

The real bitch will be, of course, making sure the gold doesn't get on the white. But after painting as much gold as I have with the chorfs I think I got that handled.

A tricky thing to keep in mind is that you can't get any brighter than pure white, so you want as much off-white color beforehand. Oil washes will help sell it as white without actually using white, except for sparing bits of highlight here and there.

[unreal cosmos]

Speaking of paints I'm real intrigued by the new Army Painter stuff they're hyping up

This looks like the same sorts of qualities Two Thin Coats got my attention with, if they're cheaper and easier to obtain...

[thin ibex]

I find that if I'm ordering online, citadel paints end up being cheaper for me

[floral herald]

https://vxtwitter.com/samsleney/status/1721268543004479864?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[unreal cosmos]

loool

I've been tweaking this continuously but here's a tentative 30k list I've made, mostly aiming to build around models from the two big boxes and some third-party upgrade kits.

Plus a couple rhinos, hard to pass on those.

[junior summit]

also aggressive modifications to their bodyplan and arguably genetics

oh whoops you said that

[pine matrix]

This fucks hard

[ebon forge]

He sure got fucked
But yes, it was fun, the Inquisitor even said "It almost felt like he wanted to die"

Also, Shadowbane and Knight sections
Fun times

[pine matrix]

What game is this?

[ebon forge]

Warhammer: Inquisitor Martyr
https://store.steampowered.com/app/527430/Warhammer_40000_Inquisitor__Martyr/

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[pine matrix]

Neat!

[ebon forge]

Diablo-like style gameplay
The story is surprisenly compeling

It does have small oddities, like an ungodly amount of heretical actions not being punished
And the Eldar pronouncing Mon-Keigh as Monkey

And an Inquisitor being able to kill small companies of Heretic Astarters

Does recommend in buying during a sale

[ebon forge]

Tho honestly, aside from pre-heresy stuff
Has the Alpha Legion done something aside from being villains to be defeated?

[pine matrix]

They were pretty involved in the siege of Vraks and a cell that'd infiltrated Deathwatch did some shit during the Arks of Omen

[ebon forge]

oh nice, i need to read Arks of Omen

[jovial berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747918255393341512/1170813551556960326/d4b1decb-0315-4374-a89c-3b69ca852300.png?ex=655a6817&is=6547f317&hm=0571fe49452f3f88540151ebf5e8015380d6a75111008a40fb6c194f71b115fb&

Whomst among us has the 21 drop pods

[ebon forge]

WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY DROP PODS

[pastel rampart]

At that size you may as well play Epic.

[jovial berry]

Nah this is my skirmish setup /j

[pastel rampart]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/06/hail-to-the-noble-seneschal-who-makes-safe-the-borders-of-his-masters-kingdom/

[unreal cosmos]

I kind of wish the names matched the self-image but it's a fun gimmick

[thin ibex]

oh yo might be getting Raptors crusade rules out of White Dwarf

thats kind of sick

[naive abyss]

I feel bad that my first thought was "that'd make a good strigoi Lord for old world"

[jovial berry]

Love ‘em

They look great

The Games workshop painters are amazing at painting

[long void]

I like the gimmick of the ghoul courts upholding themselves with fancy titles and the flowery language of decorum.

[jovial berry]

I like that too

Also does anyone know a good paint for T’au skin colors?

[thin ibex]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzTpzp3Nji8/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

artwork_of_warhammer

And how are YOU screaming?
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[naive abyss]

In fact...since "normal" vamps and strigoi are easily able to be together this gives me a fun idea for my vamp counts lol

[long void]

It would be cool if the Ghoul Courts could get some form of reliquary knight like in Old Warhammer.

[long void]

Not much experience here, but how saturated of a blue would you want?

[jovial berry]

Something a bit closer to a grey tone

[long void]

maybe some of the space wolf armor tones would work.

those have the blue-grey mix.

then use some brighter grey for highlights?

[jovial berry]

Oh I found the perfect color

[long void]

nice! which one?

[jovial berry]

Fenrisian Grey

Space wolf colors are good for T’au now that I look at them

[unreal cosmos]

Ah yeah that's good. My go-to has just been a blue wash over white

Azure from Vallejo is also serviceable

[naive abyss]

I think my fave concept for aos bretts was ghost knights

https://vxtwitter.com/WolfdawgArt/status/1252938458831732737?t=MqTulU0UJb8RTHBmE0wYTw&s=19

This is in part finding the idea of non nagash aligned undead interesting

[unreal cosmos]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/06/exert-mechanical-supremacy-with-new-combat-patrol-boxes-for-the-adeptus-mechanicus-and-necrons/ oh this is interesting

[jovial berry]

Oh those are sick

[unreal cosmos]

So it looks like new codices = new combat patrols, the old ones will remain "legal" but I assume the boxes will be discontinued.

[jovial berry]

Huh, so it seems it was a good time to grab the current T’au patrol

[jaunty dawn]

the mech patrol looks cool

[jovial berry]

It does

Flying boys

[unreal cosmos]

Very fancy

[jovial berry]

Crossing my fingers that the T’au codex drop next year means new goodies for T’au players

[unreal cosmos]

I'm hopeful about those Kroot

[jaunty dawn]

worst case scenario kroot character I think

[jovial berry]

YEAH!

Ngl Kroot would be good

[jaunty dawn]

best case kroot revamp

[jovial berry]

We can only hope

[jaunty dawn]

oh wait we saw a new Kroot Gun so there should be krootox

[jovial berry]

I don’t play with kroot (yet)

[jaunty dawn]

I would assume new kroot core models and a named character

new krootox would be cool. kroot have variety that has been held back by only having basic kroot in plastic tbh

[unreal cosmos]

My custom Sept had definitely been conceptualized as pretty diverse, so it might rev up my enthusiasm to expand the force

Plus I would be able to use different colors, lol

[jovial berry]

I don’t have any Sept lore rn but I am painting all my T’au in blue and green armor

[unreal cosmos]

Always nice. I think that's close to dal'eth(sp?)

Who I probably would have painted by guys as if they had good rules when I started the project, lol

[jovial berry]

This is the Broadside that I have done

As an example for how I do the color scheme

Time to get started with the BOX

[soft willow]

Unsure of it's source, but I am certain this group will have opinions:

[thin ibex]

i don't see a rogal dorn here

my thought is that everything there is a tank exept for lord solar

[pulsar cairn]

where the rogal dorn

we riot

[thin ibex]

and the sentinel is on shaky ground as a tank, but i could see it

[soft willow]

I agree the lack of a Dorn is a crime, but it's clearly a doctrine/structure purist tank like the LRBT is.

[jaunty dawn]

yeah like without real walkers its kinda like

they could be?

I'm sad to not see the tractor tbh

centaur

[soft willow]

Centaur is I think Doctrine Radical/ Structure Neutral

[thin ibex]

the thing i most disagree with is the concept that structure neutal requires a turret tbh

point and case, the first tanks did not have any turrets

[soft willow]

See, this is the argument I was waiting for.

The Thunderer is a tank.

[jovial berry]

All I see are fucked up WW1 style tanks

[thin ibex]

100%, id say the thunderer is a structure neutral tank, not a structure radical tank imo

or hell

[jaunty dawn]

it has a casemate

[thin ibex]

even a structure purist tank, but it depends on when you cite your basis for tank purity

[jaunty dawn]

which should be at least neutral

[jovial berry]

A tank is a tank when it’s called a tank, it’s that simple imo

[jaunty dawn]

like I can see purist not including tank destroyer and self propelled artillery style pieces but neutral should include them imo

[thin ibex]

yeah

[jaunty dawn]

the radical example should at least have wheels haha

[thin ibex]

another example i could see is that the Land Raider is a tank, no turret and carries people

[topaz elk]

I feel like tank actually does help being specific because it is kinda a specific thing, and we do have an umbrella term for stuff that’s similar but serves different roles

Armored vehicles

A tank destroyer is not a tank but they are both armored vehicles

How I see it

[thin ibex]

i think the important bits are the armor, the tracks, and the heavy weapon. The turret is entirely optional

[topaz elk]

That’s fair

[thin ibex]

though i suppose i stray towards a radical position becuse i could see a sentinel or a dreadnought being a tank even if i think they are not so by definition

also i imagine the grav tanks are also tanks despite the lack of treads

[long void]

A lot of Western Mecha are effectively tanks with legs.
(or construction equipment with legs)

[thin ibex]

yall see the Fury of the Swarm PvE homebrew for tabletop 40k?

https://www.goonhammer.com/fury-of-the-swarm-co-op-40k-skitters-over-the-finish-line/

[ebon forge]

I like what they did the Britannia in AoS

[ebon forge]

If the french have the guts to come to war and call this a tank, Konstantin can be a tank if he wants to be one

[thin ibex]

but that is a tank! it has treads, has armor, and a heavy weapon

that its tiny, with a shitty weapon and shitty armor doesn't stop it from being a tank

[ebon forge]

LOOK AT IT'S SIZE
It's a TONK

[thin ibex]

tanks dont gotta be huge! heck, tanks have gotten progressively bigger over time in general

[thin ibex]

though i think they've also, in recent times, started getting smaller again

[ebon forge]

Fair
And used less right? With the overwhelming amount of Anti-Tank weaponly around

[jaunty dawn]

bigger stopped being better

and it usually meant like exponentially more problems

[thin ibex]

honestly i think used less more because of the realities of urban warfare; but the proliferation of effective anti tank weapons usable by infantry is also probably a contributing issue

[ebon forge]

And more expensive

RPG-7 Wins again

Great for group of enemies
Against tanks
Cooking food
AND rocket Jumping

oh god Orks can rocket jump

[jaunty dawn]

speaking of tanks I've been playing valkyria chronicles and thinking about how I'm gonna do my wildercorps and stormcast and it made me realise that like

a vigilor is a tank

[naive abyss]

Tbh I've never bought the idea of FEC being bretts

[jaunty dawn]

they're twice the size of human infantry

they fire projectiles as tall as a man

[naive abyss]

Like they're just transplanted strigoi with more noble delusions lol

[soft willow]

This is definately doctrine/form radical.

But I'm here for it.

[jaunty dawn]

hehe yeah

[naive abyss]

Like the lore is basically one to one in that regard sans the nature of the delusions

[jaunty dawn]

but it feels true

and they're also in sigmarite armour that would be like practically invulnerable to small arms

[ebon forge]

So is just a bunch of Malkavians, got it.

[jaunty dawn]

the only problem with that is most everything else in the mortal realms is just as big and nasty haha

[naive abyss]

No because this isn't VTM and Oldhammer came first lol

[ebon forge]

It was a joke m8

But yeah Oldhammer is
Way older than I though, damn

[jaunty dawn]

been messing in heroforge trying to find a living city direction I like

[ebon forge]

Do we got an explanation why the Orcs in Oldhammer are green?

[naive abyss]

Not that I recall. But oldhammer generally doesn't over explain things that very much don't need it lol

[ebon forge]

Fair enough

[pastel rampart]

They're still fungi/plant-based creatures so green = photosynthesis, basically.

[thin ibex]

It's because green is best, apparently

[ebon forge]

Wait that goes even in Oldhammer? huh

[pastel rampart]

And if you wonder "well why is their blood not green" it's because the designers said it wouldn't make for good blood splatters on miniatures.

Like they outright stated that which is very funny.

[jaunty dawn]

it's a good reason

[ebon forge]

a very good reason

[thin ibex]

Same reason tau don't have blue blood as much as people would like iirc

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Though really old lore had it to where orcs would go off on their own "feelin' a little funny" and then come back with kids, hinting that they'd spontaneously change gender and hook up with another orc.

They changed that eventually.

[ebon forge]

huh

So then changed to be like 40k
Fungi

[pastel rampart]

Yeah.

[ebon forge]

Makes sense, guess the same goes for AoS

[pastel rampart]

Not sure when that got changed but that was how things were around 5th, at the minimum.

[ebon forge]

The lore continues to be the same until they say otherwise so
yeah

Orc Cheerleaders are no longer canon smh /j

[naive abyss]

I mean an orc can still absolutely dress as a cheerleader lol

[pastel rampart]

Yeah, and any jiggly bits are probably a pair of squigs they attached to the front for a laugh.

[naive abyss]

Remember it's "ere we go" not "ere we can't"

[pastel rampart]

The ultimate bolt-ons.

[naive abyss]

Snrk

[thin ibex]

I think orks really don't care or conform much to gender normativity, rather they do work to enforce orkish normativity

And ork normativity is if they can kick your ass, they get to do whatever the fuck they want

[upper canopy]

There's a very funny exchange where an Inquisitor and Space Marine argue about an ork they're interrogating's pronouns.

[thin ibex]

Including dress up as a cheerleader

[long void]

Orks are the real winners of 40k.

Only war = constant fighting = good times

[ebon forge]

No you don't understand
Their model had tits

[thin ibex]

The only reason they might not be allowed to dress as a cheerleader is if they are not the one who is the most capable of kicking ass, and the most kick ass ork decided something different

[ebon forge]

OH MY FUCKING GOD

[upper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodbowl-pompom-girl-cheerleader-dance-gif-16402012

Big Orc Naturals Baby.

[ebon forge]

Sigmar just take me already

[ebon forge]

You go tell a Ork that
Not me

[thin ibex]

Nah cause I don't think I can kick that orks ass

[naive abyss]

I know and I stand by my statement lol

[ebon forge]

The orks discovering the power of the Kawaii is a constant fear of the imperium /n

[naive abyss]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/06/old-world-almanack-the-movement-phase-introduces-marching-columns/

Me seeing dorf vs gobo art I've not seen before be like

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

[ebon forge]

Gobbo is king

[thin ibex]

Are gobbos with the ball and chain still terrifying?

[naive abyss]

Like in aos?

[ebon forge]

ya

[naive abyss]

Idk I just love those models lol

[ebon forge]

same

[unreal cosmos]

I dig it!

I think a Stormcast/Cities mashup force would be fun, idk how allies work in Sigmar tho

[jaunty dawn]

2e cities was very focused on the mashup

stormcast can still take 25% of their army in unit count as cities

[ebon forge]

Stormcast Skaven CAN BE A THING

[jaunty dawn]

3e cities don't really get anything for the most part but can still take them as regular allies

in stormcast cities units get +1 bravery if next to stormcast redeemers which are your like standard battleline

not a lot but its something

[unreal cosmos]

Nice

[jaunty dawn]

there's some specific synergies for hammerhal and Aventis Firestrike

[unreal cosmos]

It'd be cool to see a city where the divine lightning revenants are treated as normal citizens

[unreal cosmos]

This means very little to me but I'm interested

[jaunty dawn]

he has a aura that can affect hammerhal units, and hammerhal aqshy gets extra command points if he's taken as an ally

hammerhal is one of the cities of sigmar that sits on a realmgate

[unreal cosmos]

Oooh right right

[jaunty dawn]

so it's got two ends across aqshy and ghyra

and then aventis is the magister of the city

as well as a stormcast guy

[unreal cosmos]

Okay that's a cool looking guy

[jaunty dawn]

3e cities does have a handful of other ally synergy. Lethis has a special prayer that stormcast allies can use too, living city gets outflank which sylvaneth allies are allowed to use, and settler's gain gets extra command points if their general hangs out with a lumineth advisor

oh and tempest's eye gets retreat and shoot which also applies to kharadron ships

[unreal cosmos]

Oooh that's real neat

[jaunty dawn]

so still some flavour there, without the case of 2e where they were quite reliant on stormcast or other allies and cities were essentially an alternate option for battleline units in a way

as well as alternative allegiance abilities

like 2e living city was problematic and had to be nerfed because it let sylvaneth or stormcast shoot people and then free move toward them for an almost guaranteed charge while the native units weren't able to do anything near as powerful

[cinder wraith]

whats this??

[jovial berry]

Tis slowly coming together, also I still need to get the color for the skin so that’s why it’s currently white

[thin ibex]

i wonder how the new admech patrol will hold up against the patrols that have some tougher customers in it

like the orky dread

or the space wolf invictor

i imagine mobility play will be big

oh i guess the arc mauls can even the odds a bit

sry the one arc maul

[desert jay]

I worry about it because it's got 4 units in it and the most expensive to field is 80 pts RN (the 10 vanguard)

260 pts of models total

Possibly a sign that datasheet buffs are coming and pricing adjusted accordingly? But who knows

[spice flicker]

Anyone have much experience with WFRP 4e and The Enemy Within campaign?

[thin ibex]

yeah thats also defeinitely thing, it seems tiny by combat patrol standards

[jaunty dawn]

this is wild

[thin ibex]

even compared to the necron one below it

necron one below is so much more rounded

[desert jay]

The Necron one is pretty standard-sized pts-wise too

[thin ibex]

also WAY more points

yeah

you just said that lol

my b

[desert jay]

Just blame lag :D

[thin ibex]

i also wonder like... does that combat patrol PLAY at a pace/scoring ability to compete with the existing combat patrols?

would say a lot about those units

[ebon forge]

Vezimira did a nice interpretation of a Tzeentchian Chaos Knight

[tired cairn]

They also gave some but great weapon loadouts

[jovial berry]

Fucked up bird person 😌

[tired cairn]

Oh, that's the old one oops

At least the tech priest chosen is a better please lol

[ebon forge]

Makes me want to see more variation of the chaos knights

instead of the just "Hyper detailed , rugged, spikey Chaos undivided" one

[pulsar cairn]

knights are real cool

[ebon forge]

Agreed

Was a treat to play one in Inquisitor Martyr
even if it was just for 1 mission

[unreal cosmos]

My irradiated brain: this is yuri

[pulsar cairn]

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-dead-death-mario-stairs-gif-25001313

[junior robin]

they seems to be just as chaotically dangerous as before, they also got a option for mushroom balls that gives other goblins more attacks and creates cover for units behind them

[unreal cosmos]

They're holding hands

[thin ibex]

was a neat feature when i was younger, reading battle reports about how careful the other guy has to be about triggering the mad ball and chain gobbos, cause they can effectively kill almost anything with a bit of luck

[junior robin]

between 5-30 attacks from a unit, each doing 1d3 dmg, can show up 3 inches away from the enemy and then charge.

if I only had the space and time to paint the 400 goblins needed for a army

[jovial berry]

Simply dump a bucket of green paint on them

[thin ibex]

3 colors right?

base spray can of green, dunk oil wash. smush their faces in a smear of blue. dry brush their heads orange.

boom

by dry brush their heads i really mean like get a massive brush, and simultaneously drybrush every model at once with orange, top down

[junior robin]

problem is that the goblins are 95% black robes :v

[thin ibex]

lol i didnt say itd be a good paintjo

but you'd get it done fast

i guess you could also do a basecoat of greent, then spray can a color from the sides, and then spray can a 3rd color from the top

[junior robin]

oh god the new store site is horrible in browser

[thin ibex]

its just horrible in general atm

[ebon forge]

Question
How

[ebon forge]

Easier to paint!

[thin ibex]

pencil + varnish

and a magnifying glass?

or a very thin brush

[desert jay]

Possibly in fine pen

[jaunty dawn]

magnifying glass for sure

for the illumination

[pastel rampart]

Not as difficult as you think.

But also sticking to basic shapes there really helps

[desert jay]

Is it actually 400 lil guys, or is that hyperbole?

[floral herald]

I think 400 is hyperbole but over 100 isn't

[junior robin]

battlelines are 120pts for 20 guys, so only a slight exaggeration

[floral herald]

(Or a particularly large army)

[desert jay]

From what I've seen, with practice (and you'll get a bunch of practice) you can prolly get through a batch of 20 in a few hours if you're not super-detailing them

[floral herald]

Batch painting can be done pretty fast (I used to play orks) but its also kind of soul draining

[thin ibex]

the cost of playing a horde army always scares m

me

kinda rough that tau are a bit hordey atm

[desert jay]

Yeah batch painting back to back sounds like an ordeal