Pathfinder

[fast hill]

ah ic ic

[silver geyser]

This is my kind of silliness

[echo briar]

Whats the least a character can carry? Can we go negative?

is it just tiny with -1 str?

[silver geyser]

I think so

[surreal basin]

BTW

important thing that’s been glossed over by people

NPC core has a statblock for Batman

IE a rich vigilante whose morally questionable

[errant roost]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bahala_na_si_Batman

[novel merlin]

Just saw a will o wisp swarm stat block on reddit

Paizo has gone too far

Extreme AC for level 8, invisibility, and because it's a swarm it also gets precision immunity on top of magic immunity

That's so dirty I could throw it at my level 14 party and they would still hate me

[solar storm]

lol

(From the same post)

[warped orbit]

real

[vocal ember]

Looking at the gun witch it looks pretty easy to turn into a class archetype actually.

[upbeat ridge]

yeah

[vocal ember]

so it might be a thing they'll release in a future book

[upbeat ridge]

Does witch + gunslinger FA work at all

[rustic cape]

Not well

[frank crystal]

Which one?

[upbeat ridge]

Ok fair

But yeah class archetype that makes witch into a wave caster and gives gish scaling with guns? Sign me up

[surreal basin]

It’s called wealthy vigilante

[frank crystal]

Cool

[solar storm]

Ooh yeah that covers a lot of it

[upbeat ridge]

Ok you could do starlit span magus with witch dedication I guess

But that’s not amazing action economy

[turbid dagger]

My thought was spellshot slinger that gets witch later

Now that spellshot gets a spellstrike equivalent

[upbeat ridge]

Yeah mayb

[upbeat ridge]

Oh worm?

[turbid dagger]

Yeah spellslinger got a glowup with the G&G remaster

[upbeat ridge]

Nice

[turbid dagger]

Its a feat rather than a base feature, mind, but
Its there

[upbeat ridge]

Nice

How silly would it be to swap the wizard stuff in spellshot for witch stuff as a homebrew?

[solar storm]

No bias here but I think this interpretation is right https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/s/bcMEirA4p3

The toads are not [summons] tag wise

[turbid dagger]

I think it'd be fine, it's the kind of homebrew at least one of my GMs would allow

(That same GM offered to let me take divine list on a plant eidolon to better represent the Devil I reflavored my eidolon as)

[frank crystal]

Ok weird question

One of my players is playing a ghost dhampir

Can she still drink blood?

[surreal basin]

RAW yes

It’s not specifically a strength based check is it

Also

There’s a thing in NPC core I wanna do to one of my players if they die during a pivotal combat

There’s a statblock for a person who is basically being possessed by their god as a divine vessel

And everything they do forces them to take 25 unavoidable damage at the end of their turn

Which would be cool to have a religious characters god descend and give them the power to see it through at the cost of burning their body and soul as fuel

[frank crystal]

Ok cool

[wary yoke]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alluria/psionics-second-edition?ref=android_project_share

Optimistic about this

[surreal basin]

I do admit to like

Not quite being happy with psionic just being occult casting

In 2e

[wary yoke]

I'm not

I like occult magic! But it's not psionics

[surreal basin]

I kinda wanna make a class for 2e based on the psionics in MY setting at some point

Which is based on Persona style jungian bullshit

And is called Dreaming

[limber comet]

I'm okay with psionics being occult casting but I also wouldn't mind psionics as a system

However this kickstarter is

...lackluster

The page feels really barren

It feels off

[wary yoke]

Alluria Publishing has been around a while

[errant roost]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alluria/psionics-second-edition//faqs I do wish they had more specifics. "these are the classes" and "powerpoints will be used" aren't a lot to go on

[wary yoke]

I will admit the lack of solid stuff is why I'm cautiously optimistic.

But I joined their discord

[trim grotto]

i truly love that im bad at this game which sounds like a passive aggresive thing but let me cook

i think a lot of rpgs are created in a way that heavily favors the players or basically functions around them being expected to win fights

i think its cool that pathfinder 2e makes me really need to turn my brain on to win battles

[upbeat ridge]

archetype wtiches can never get the patron exclusive hex cantrips right?

[sturdy lagoon]

2e still labels fight difficulty with the assumption that you'll win, it just has a higher baseline assumption of effort

You're still expected to succeed at a moderate fight if you play competently

Much like 1e, a true "even fight" is on the borderline of sane fight difficulty, let alone an uneven fight in the enemies' favor which is usually out of the question if you're playing fair

[turbid dagger]

Yeah a true 50/50 is an Extreme, though Junos post doesn't actually dispute such

[trim grotto]

oh yeah im not saying that its a 50/50 im just saying that the fact that there is a level of skill/competency required is cool

[solar storm]

Yeah PF2 assumes a pretty reasonable baseline of teamwork and tactics and such

[trim grotto]

exactly

[upbeat ridge]

i heard there were rules for guns as spell staves in NPC Core?

[solar storm]

Yes!

[upbeat ridge]

show?

[solar storm]

They’re pretty basic but it’s easy to extrapolate how others would look

[upbeat ridge]

is there anything that says the weapon cant have property runes?

[solar storm]

No I don’t think so

[upbeat ridge]

hrm

cos normal spell staves cant have property runes...

[solar storm]

It does have the staff trait if that’s what stops it

[upbeat ridge]

Not explicitly?

That’s not in the staff trait

[solar storm]

Hmm then yeah they probably can I think

[surreal basin]

Where is that said?

[upbeat ridge]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=3211

At the bottom

It shoots nethys warpriests/battle harbingers in the foot imo

[warped orbit]

IIRC Twisted Tree Magus also has a feat that lets you add runes to staves

[upbeat ridge]

Yeah but that’s a magus feat

I don’t think it’s necessary, staves are already underpowered as a weapon as is

With deadly simplicity it’s a worse bastard sword

And on top of that not being able to use properly tuned is really bad

[warped orbit]

Yeah I meant that as in the feat implies its something you can't normally do

[upbeat ridge]

Yeah

[surreal basin]

Oh well

That’s probably not supposed to work for the gunstaffs either imo but tbh I’m ignoring the shit out of this rule lmao

[echo briar]

A devotee Shelyn can only make and eat food if they do not consider it art.

Her anathema is to destroy art, and eating food destroys it. So if a follow makes a good looking cake, it can not be eaten

Is this how things actually work? Probably not, but the mental image of a Shelynite purposefully making sure their food looks bad so they can eat it is really funny

[fossil dome]

But, would making food deiberately looking worse than it could, also be anathema?

[echo briar]

Nope

The good news is that you can eat the cake if lives are on the line. That is spelled out

[upbeat ridge]

Yeah

[upbeat ridge]

I

Hrrrrmmmm

Food is meant to be enjoyed though!

[echo briar]

Just make sure it isn’t art

[upbeat ridge]

Food even as art, shouldn’t it be made as art to be eaten?

Isn’t the taste part of the artistic experience?

[surreal basin]

Yeah

That’s not being destroyed

[upbeat ridge]

Checkmate, atheist

[surreal basin]

The art is impermanent

[echo briar]

Or her actual teachings are more complex than what is shown in half a page blurb. But that’s not nearly as funny

[surreal basin]

You are performing it

[upbeat ridge]

/joking

[echo briar]

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[limber comet]

Gay chaos or bi disaster

[steel blade]

im a chaos gay but i like wizard

[limber comet]

Tbf I headcanon both Ezren and Amiri as ace

Different flavors of ace, but still ace

Valeros is bi idc what the chart says

[upbeat ridge]

can the inventor construct companion use manuvers at base?

or does it need the manual dexterity innovation for that

[stuck bane]

Things like the trip action, or shove?

[frank crystal]

Any Fey creatures that would be good for kidnapping someone?

I need to kidnap a player in their sleep

Specifically from an airship so also flight

[upbeat ridge]

both

[stuck bane]

Neither has the manipulate trait

Doesn’t look like any of the athletics actions do on a quick glance

So yeah I think it should be able to just use them

[upbeat ridge]

ok

[frank crystal]

Ooo there the boogeymen

Though the lack of any access to flight is awkward

They do have gaseous form but that doesn’t really feel like it counts

Also turns out nearly every Fey creature in the game has the stealth skill

Which does make sense tbh

[light gyro]

pathfinder players when they find the p- wait. no! stop it! FUCK! WE JUST FOUND IT!
https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=940

[frank crystal]

How does invisibility interact with hiding?

[light gyro]

The condition spells it out - you become undetected to everyone who hasn't successfully seeked you, then you're hidden to them til you take the sneak action
https://2e.aonprd.com/Conditions.aspx?ID=83&Redirected=1

[frank crystal]

Huh it also means unless people are actively seeking someone out you are just undetected

[true delta]

Hi! I'm trying to wrap my head around runes. In GM Core it says if you try to transfer runes, and you try to transfer a melee weapon rune to a ranged weapon, that fails. But everything else I've read does not differentiate between ranged and melee weapons when it comes to runes. Any help?

[light gyro]

i'm guiessing its referring to things like the fanged rune that specificies it can only be etched onto melee weapons as opposed to any weapon

[warped orbit]

Some runes can't be on ranged weapons yeah

Though it's fairly few

[true delta]

Thank you, netizens.

Request for advice: My group is going to have a bossfight against a ghost next. It's immune to precision damage.

The party is going to be 1 rogue, 1 ranger (with the precision edge) and 1 cleric. They've got 1 potency rune with striking, 1 runestone with ghost touch and 1 empty runestone.

Do you think they'll have fun as long as one of the striker-y characters has ghost touch and the other has striking? I'll still need to supply them with an opportunity to buy another potency rune, I suppose.

[solar storm]

I think it’s kind of hard to gauge if it’ll be fun

Some people like facing their mechanical weaknesses and finding ways around these problems

Some people will be annoyed that class mechanics don’t work

[true delta]

Hmm, yeah. My players are rather inexperienced.

I'll give them info and an opportunity to prepare.

Thank you

Or I'll just replace the ghost with a living equivalent...

[solar storm]

I might also point out or emphasize some of the anti-ghost consumables and such as maybe a good buy

[true delta]

Would you be so kind to name one or two?

If it isn't a hassle, that is.

oh, I'm remembering they've got an oil of potency, too. It should be fine.

[solar storm]

Stuff like https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=978 is also good

[true delta]

cool

[solar storm]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=3294&Redirected=1
ghost charges are a good backup for people who normally rely on precision damage

[true delta]

nice

[rustic cape]

So my SoT character got a chance to respec into ghoul, and the fluff I've given it is that she was trying to turn into a lich but did an extremely bad job

She may have eaten part of a mummy like a wealthy Victorian graverobber

It happened offscreen so who knows

[light gyro]

you finished book 5 yet?

[rustic cape]

Not sure? We just ||hit 18 and killed the King of Biting Ants||

[light gyro]

Yeah that's end of book 5 -
||Er... does Old-Mage Jatembe know you're messing with necromancy? I mean, not that he has much of a leg to stand on considering he doesn't seem to be in a hurry to die himself...||

[rustic cape]

||Yeah, plus my character was Baba Yaga's maid for ten years before she sent her to the Magaambya, and they're pals, so||

[light gyro]

||it's probably fine then!!! probably||

[fast hill]

A real gaggle of weirdos for our first pathfinder session

[clever cobalt]

You even have a furry character

[fast hill]

kitsune who does not pretend to be human

[steel blade]

I eternally stand by the idea that being an adventurer in the first place makes you exceptional, so any other weirdness about you is just a given

[fast hill]

It's the kingmaker remaster and we have a champion of shelyn and without even knowing they went to go talk to ||Valerie during the feast||

[glossy ridge]

something im cuious about since i know the pathfinder games rae based on actual stuff are the companions from the games there or not or are the entirely meant to be replacements for other people

or is it some of one some of other

[fast hill]

the companions from the games are, aiui, based on NPCs who can become recurring characters helping out the party

or maybe they added them into the 2e remaster I have no idea

I played 1st edition but it was really watered down by the GM I was playing with

[vital kiln]

Real and true

Androids aren't common around here? Adventurers aren't either, you know.

[astral prawn]

8 Hour adventuring days are normal and in the pathfinder 2e rules right? My DM is telling me I can't do anything beyond 8 Hours without getting fatigued, then needing 8 Hours resting

I can only find needing 8 hours of rest

[surreal basin]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2820&Redirected=1

Depends on the environmental conditions

This is for overland travel but it’s the only thing approximating how often u need to sleep

Now I will point out that an 8 hours/8hours split doesn’t make a ton of sense given that there’s an additional 8 hours in the day but I also don’t think it’s reasonable to assume u can go all16

[surreal basin]

What’s the circumstance for u needing to track hours like this

[astral prawn]

It's just a regular adventure module? Like yeah I'm wondering why I can't use those 8 unused hours without getting Fatigued

[surreal basin]

Like they tack the number of hours yall spend adventuring?

[astral prawn]

Indeed yeah

And our adventuring day starts at 10am

We're effectively adventuring from 10am to 6pm

[surreal basin]

Very weird

I mean I guess it’s ultimately probably not a huge deal either way

Most gameplay isn’t centered around hour tracking

[astral prawn]

The issue is that I have a thing that lets me use a skill check to try counter a curse over 8 hours, but can't use it without wasting a whole day so I just wound up using my cleanse afflictions to cure me and a friend's curse

Okay so it is indeed a house rule

Weird one, effectively halving our adventuring time, but okay

[surreal basin]

I mean just tell your GM you don’t like it

[astral prawn]

After the game methinks

Or at least figure out why she do this

[surreal basin]

Maybe talk about dealing with the feat

Like making it 4 hours instead or smth

For what it’s worth I do think that feat is like

Supposed to be over the course of at least most of a day

[astral prawn]

Yeah same, it's just being told "No you've adventured for two hours, if you do it you'll get fatigued"

[surreal basin]

(I mean if yall aren’t on a time limit “wasting a day” also isn’t real)

[astral prawn]

(We kinda are but in a nebulous way)

[surreal basin]

Ah classic

Anyway if u had to gun to my head I’d probably allow like

12 hours?

Of continuous adventuring

Assuming 4 hours are spent on stuff we don’t see like morning preparations, breakfast, lunch, random bullshit, etc

[astral prawn]

I mean it effectively is "Rest for 16 hours minimum or you're fatigued"

[stuck bane]

Does that include crafting time?

[astral prawn]

Doesn't appear to no

[vital kiln]

So you're just

Stuck sitting around doing nothing to not incur massive penalties?

[surreal basin]

Well I mean

[fast hill]

one of the other PCs had beef with my noble character in the kingmaker feast and was like "you are selfish for desiring a kingdom! Kings are weak and make everyone around them weak! Your society creates nothing but rot!"

They are a kellid, and my character taldane. He didn't have much to say other than "yeah but there's a reason Taldane is the common language of avistan" in hallit

which was a little out of pocket

but yknow, chat shit get hit etc etc

[vital kiln]

Jesus

[fast hill]

I mean she was chatting shit about him, nobility, his family (in non specific terms)

[rustic cape]

Alright, so, a review of my first night playing an animist with A Lot Of Sustain and Leap Optimization: it is extremely mobile, and very fun, and honestly having ten million sustains a round isn't as overpowered as one would think because you still have to cast each spell and potentially switch apparitions if you're looking to sustain multiple vessel spells

That said, the action economy is legit silly, and it opens up chances for weird, niche sustain spells like roaring applause

(Which is one of those spells that, when it matters, it matters)

[frank crystal]

whats a good NPC for a champion enemy?

[surreal basin]

Antipaladin from pre-remaster

There’s a champ in npc core which is probably going up on foundry soon

[frank crystal]

God I’m excited for that book

Also it is fine for me personally because this character kinda is an anti paladin but like

It kinda sucks the only champion NPCs are Antipaladins and Hellknights

Like you can run a champion NPC but it’s gonna be an evil one

[solar storm]

NPC core has some stuff to say about that

[frank crystal]

Oh yah that’s partially why I’m so excited

I’m finally gonna get some PC class equivalents that aren’t like, super evil

[trim grotto]

Y'all know any good places to look for campaigns? Reputable lfgs or anything

[frank crystal]

Actually I’m changing my idea for this character a bit, but how would y’all handle a villain who radically transforms?

Just two stat blocks and an action to swap them?

[solar storm]

Yeah that’s probably what I’d do

[turbid dagger]

My main place for LFG is the PF2e discord
That is to say, the discord for the PF2e reddit
The reddit sucks but the discord is fine
If you are not there already I can sling it your way!

[trim grotto]

Oh I am in there! Been keeping an eye out, was just wondering if there were other places. Me and two other friends are looking for a GM but so far times haven't worked out

[turbid dagger]

Ooooo looking for a GM is tougher yeah

[frank crystal]

Unfortunately looking for a GM does kinda just revolve around waiting for a GM you can play with to advertise

In my experience making a post about looking for a GM never works

[vital kiln]

Yeah, it rarely ever really does much

...

Although

Thinking on the matter a bit

I might be persuaded to run something...

[frank crystal]

Oh?

[vital kiln]

I have been contemplating a Numeria campaign centered around the god-AIs

It's mostly just me not really having a ton of experience in the system that's holding me back, I'm afraid I can't really make as good of a campaign as I'm cooking

[trim grotto]

Yeah true

Plus honestly it's hard to tell if they're going to be a good gm or not

[trim grotto]

Now this is fascinating

[rapid wagon]

question, whats the common house rule change to hero points? Upgrades the roll by one degree?

[surreal basin]

Tbh I think most people run them as is
But the common rule I guess seems to be the +10 rule, where a second roll of 1-10 gets 10 added to it
Which I think seems insanely powerful personally but

[warped orbit]

I'm a fan of it, mostly because I've seen too many hero points just kinda fall flat

or occasionally even make things worse

[rapid wagon]

which, +10?

or upgrading the roll by one step?

we're just encountering a lot of completely wasted points, or points spent to roll into worse rolls

[rustic cape]

My GM runs this and it makes them feel like they're worth using, IMO

Or, worth using in situations other than crit fails

[warped orbit]

the +10, yeah

making it so the hero point reroll is 11-20 basically

[rapid wagon]

how would yall feel about like...

hero point doesnt get used up unless it improves a roll, but can't be used again on the same roll

[rustic cape]

Yeah, I've seen that in play too

Feels much better

Presently my group does both that and the 11-20

Which is strong!

Unrelated: 9th rank energy aegis is really good

[solar storm]

I tried this and it sucked

[rapid wagon]

no good?

[solar storm]

Way too strong and distorts balance badly

[rapid wagon]

hmm gotcha

[solar storm]

My GM is currently using a complicated cheater dice system to, iirc make it impossible to hero point rerolls to be below 6 and have a higher average than normal

And it feels pretty good

[stuck bane]

Got a player who likes to use poisons they’ve gotten access too over the course of the campaign, but they’re finding that the action economy of applying poisons and relatively high chance of successful saves with no effect often makes them impractical. Would anyone have any suggestions on character options (or possibly even rules adjustments) that could improve this? I’ve seen some alchemist feats, which they should have access to, but there’s a lot on aon to sort through

[warped orbit]

poisons are awkward, unless you have the Poisoner archetype or are a Toxicologist Alchemist

and even then they are tricky to use well

[rapid wagon]

Is there anyway to ensure even reduced effects?

[frank crystal]

So what’s the difference between a deity domain and alternative deity domain mechanically?

[frozen flame]

Access. You need Expanded Domain Initiate (which requires having Domain Initiate already) or Splinter Faith to access them.

Which means you can't get access until level 4 (with EDI).

[frank crystal]

ah ok

[frank crystal]

Question, if you have like a knife that’s gleaming blade, and then you also take shadowsheath

Could you use that knife for both ikons?

[surreal basin]

yeah

wait is shadowsheathe a feat or a proper ikon

[frozen flame]

It's a Weapon Ikon, not a feat that tacks properties onto an existing Ikon.

[surreal basin]

then yeah no my b

you cant stack ikons

[carmine egret]

Why turn down the opportunity to have two knives

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[rustic cape]

So, got my free animal companion on my rogue in Frozen Flame and uh

Rogue w/animal companion is stronk

[surreal basin]

It’s pretty crazy yeah

[rustic cape]

Fun fact: if you use your reaction to do an opportunistic backstab, you can't use it on orc ferocity

[rustic cape]

(Related fun fact: if an enemy has ferocity, and you can shut it down with Roaring Applause)

[upbeat ridge]

Do you need a free hand to use inventor overdrive?

[wary yoke]

Finished my 2.5 year long campaign today! Could have gone better, misplayed some stuff on the BBEG and was bad at threat assessment, so the fight went pretty poorly, but we crossed the finish line

Players even decorated a cake:

(Raven is the name of the Vilderavn BBEG)

But that officially ends our time with 1E

[limber comet]

2e Rime Session today

Our Druid got cursed by a weed-smoking kholo witch in exchange for a ring

The investigator and oracle started beefing and it was really funny (we were all okay with it ooc)

[sinful rune]

I love finding paths! (Struggling to make a character)

[solar storm]

I don’t think so

[upbeat ridge]

Ok

So manipulate trait doesn’t necessarily mean free hand?

[solar storm]

Yep, it sometimes does (like Quick Alchemy) but it doesn’t always

[upbeat ridge]

Ok

[solar storm]

One which really confused me in the past is how you don’t actually need a free hand for most spells

Which is now really important for my fan dancer wizard

[upbeat ridge]

Yeah

[true delta]

Heya. What can you still do when you're blinded? My group ran into an encounter where the main enemy immediately used a visual effect. Our rogue rolled a critical failure and was blinded for an hour. After almost stabbing a friendly NPC, she more or less just chilled in a corner until the fight was over.

[surreal basin]

Humans have hearing as an imprecise sense, they can still make out where people are vaguely, it’s just that everyone is hidden to them and they’re flat footed against people’s attacks

[true delta]

That is useful information!

[warped orbit]

yeah the main effects of Blinded are

• everyone is Hidden to you, why by proxy also means you are flat footed against all attacks from others
• everything is difficult terrain

[surreal basin]

Robot????

[eager mountain]

Triune

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196039811291693126/1343505157643829249/2_-_Clockwork_Demons_-_pg_43_-_img_1.webp?ex=67bd842e&is=67bc32ae&hm=3a2734b521bfc13c5a21b801e37a05998eba8fb0cea871124fe1c71bb54bcb93&format=webp&width=516&height=671&

[vital kiln]

Those are the most lesbian robots I've seen in my life

10/10

[eager mountain]

Triune may OR may not look like that

since they are an amalgamate 3 part diety

[fossil dome]

Starfinder?

[eager mountain]

ye\

[fossil dome]

What's the deal with them?

[rustic cape]

Sapphic Robot Goddess Throuple

[fossil dome]

Goddess of what, I should say

[stuck bane]

Artificial life in its various forms, broadly, and also invented FTL iirc?

[fossil dome]

I see

So Dimension Door and the like is STL...

Intriguing

[stuck bane]

Like the technology that allows massively accessible travel between star systems, as opposed to spells limited to generally more powerful casters (often with more limitations)

Dimension door isn’t even in that ballpark

[rustic cape]

Translocate goes what, a mile in six seconds? That's not FTL :P

[echo briar]

At minimum, 9th level and higher teleport is FTL

You only actually teleport at the very end of the 10 minutes, and so you go a few light minutes in only a few seconds

Unless light is just way quicker in the finder universe

[echo briar]

does being undead violate the laws of mortality? Because one of their anathemas is to receive divine aid, and being undead is divine magic

If so, that is the funniest reason to be anti undead.

[astral prawn]

Undead do also have occult ties, but Undeath is not exclusively caused by divine intervention - it's usually a result of some sort of trauma/corruption

If it was something like a Deathless Acolyte, yeah that's a Deity stepping in to do that

Granted, I can also see a bunch of Rahadoumites not being able to differentiate between "Raised by Urgathoa because they were a God-Slave" and "Murdered person unable to move on until justice is served"

[rustic cape]

Given undead-creating magic isn't exclusively divine, I wouldn't say undead are divine by nature

Every list but Primal can create undead

[echo briar]

yes, but recalling knowledge about the undead is only divine

[rustic cape]

True, hm

[silver geyser]

Anyone can make em (except nature), but understandable and differentiating them requires a certain understanding of metaphysics that lies under the umbrella of religion

Or Undead Lore. :p

[surreal basin]

No, it’s only religion - which just implies that religious teachings often focus on them :3

Important but subtle distinction

[echo briar]

But arcane or occult teaching never talk about them

If they were truly non divine, then you should be able to use arcana or occultism

Plus, undead sorcs are divine only

[surreal basin]

Okay so no divinity was involved in the creation of dragons then

:p

[echo briar]

Remaster changed that

[surreal basin]

Anyway, serious answer to your joke question, no

They’re not really made by a god

To my understanding it’s kinda just a thing that happens

[echo briar]

I don’t think it’s just the gods

They don’t like celestials or fiends either

[surreal basin]

Oh I mean sure

But also it’s just a philosophy so I’d generally argue that outside of ur GM,, no one can say u lost it :p

I also don’t really think they dislike undead because if they did I think that would be more explicit

Calling being a undead divine aid is a bit of a stretch Yknow

[clever cobalt]

Nex returning feels like a When, not an If

[clever cobalt]

Apperantly Rival Acadamies has started shipping

[wooden orbit]

but why we gotta wait longer for PDF

[echo briar]

They claim that these academies are rivals, but they sure seem to be cooperating to me.

What school would do best at American football?

[true delta]

There's a minigame on Itch about embodying two academics engaged in an escalating academic rivalry. I believe it is called A Response to the Esteemed Dr. Crackpot and it mandates the conflict fictionally end in a fistfight at a conference.

Apologies. I believed this to be #tabletop-discussion.

[upbeat ridge]

Good temp hp divine spells/divine spells to help an all 8 hp class party survive better?

[fossil dome]

Oh, divine

Fireball's off the table then

[surreal basin]

False life maybe lol

[vocal ember]

rousing splash perhaps

the only other temp HP spells I see are the Vampiric [x] spells and sanguine mist

oh wait thermal remedy also gives a little temp HP

and it affects up to 10 creatures

[upbeat ridge]

Fair

[rustic cape]

Animist? XD

[fossil dome]

Wdym?

[rustic cape]

Animist can get fireball as a divine c...wait okay I think I misunderstood the question

Nvm

[echo briar]

we got Monks in SoM, Barbarians in RoE, Druids in Dark Archive, and Barbarians again in WoI. What seemingly not on theme class will get substantial support in battlecry?

Wizard and bard seem like good candidates for war mage architypes, and I think it would be funny if the divine casters got architypes here instead of the book about the gods going to war

[upbeat ridge]

can an archetype witch ever get the patron exclusive hex cantrips?

ie nudge fate, etc

[surreal basin]

no

not that im aware of

[echo briar]

flexible spell caster would still work no?

[steel blade]

i think they mean someone taking the witch dedi, not a witch taking an archetype

the dedi gives you a spell list based on your patron, a familiar with no extra bells or whistles, and 2 cantrips, and there's no feat from the archetype or witch itself that give you the patron-specific hex cantrips

[rustic cape]

It's where they will publish Gun Witch, surely (not surely)

[surreal basin]

Fuck you War Druid

[rustic cape]

Druid and Witch would probably be the funniest pair of classes to get support in Battlecry

[echo briar]

Investigator I think would actually be funnier

[errant roost]

I can imagine a setting where you have druids and witches waging ware. (and it sounds pretty awesome) legions of Sherlocks Holmes, not so much

[echo briar]

Actually, the funniest would be necromancer, purely because the class is still in play test

You have a class archetype because you have a class

Also dr Watson was a war veteran

That’s good enough justification

[errant roost]

but he didn't do detectiving in Afghanistan. he's an investigator with a solider background, rather than a solider-investigator

[clever cobalt]

Shifter as a Druid archetype, in Battlecry

[limber comet]

Well the investigator would be the subterfuge and espionage side of war

Metal Gear or something

[limber comet]

Also honestly I will be extremely content with any war-themed archetypes

[fast hill]

Investigator would be recon too

or yeah subterfuge and espionage

[echo briar]

New thaumaturge implement; siege weapon

[limber comet]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-huh-kept-you-waiting-huh-big-boss-gif-8511432494893653427

[vital kiln]

...something tells me this list isn't very accurate to orcish naming conventions

I am fucking wheezing over this, Jesus Christ

[fossil dome]

The top one flashbanged me

[frozen flame]

Greg, Lord of All Orcs

[vital kiln]

Fucking

Egnuhd THOT

Brukzek the Fed

[surreal basin]

LMAO

[vital kiln]

Croc God???

[surreal basin]

I just saw someone on the subreddit who said they expected rival academies to have

15-20 wizard schools

[limber comet]

.

It's a Lost Omens book, bruh

[surreal basin]

Even in a rulebook I wouldn’t expect that!!!

[fossil dome]

Wizards: the Sourcebook, huh

[surreal basin]

That’s 30-40 focus spells!!!!!

[solar storm]

Somehow this is the orc version of this

[errant roost]

I forgot how classes work and thought this meant, like, academies

[errant roost]

let 👏 orcs 👏 play 👏 blaseball

[rustic cape]

Sernandez

Bonalez

[turbid dagger]

Anatoli Archideld kind of goes hard as a fantasy name though

[echo briar]

I mean, the red mantis school just took existing focus spells and changed the name, so it wouldn’t be that bad

But still, 15-20?

I just wish wizards got any non archetype feats

It has the lowest feat count of the core classes

[fossil dome]

I need more

[echo briar]

however they will of course get new feats in battle cry while fighter gets nothing, like how champion or cleric didn’t get anything in DM

[plain karma]

Hello I am Leika and today I will be playing Bobson Dugnutt

I hope you are ready for rivetting factoids about the Dugnutt lineage

[vital kiln]

Oh do tell us of the Dugnutts

[plain karma]

The Dugnutt family truly became a family four generations ago, when Minty Dugnutt, the matriarch and assistant candle wick dipper, was struck by a lord's carriage and became too injured to work to support her children. The lord at the time, who is considered unimportant for this story, gave recompense in the form of hiring all seven of the Dugnutt children into various positions throughout the lord's holdings.

These positions were solid and reliable, and with good work over several years and a bit of guilt applied directly to the lord, the Dugnutt's did well for themselves. With a favourable position of Nanny and then a family maid, Grandmother Sump Dugnutt was provided with enough that her own children got an education beyond their usual means.

As the Dugnutt's were known well for, at this point, generational service, this also allowed them to become more accepted by lords and ladies in the more border areas of the country. Uncle Quarter Dugnutt was even placed as a guard under the lord's house, which we're all rather proud of honestly. Father, Bobberto Dugnutt, always took to his devices, and was considered a general handyman around the manor. He was even known to go to the city proper on occasion, when they needed a dab hand to check things over.

This did mean there were extensive periods where Bobson Dugnutt was left alone with his mother, Moonie, but the Dugnutt family was large and relatively close to one another. So Bobson spent time with his various uncles, aunts, nieces and nephews, picking up bits and pieces when not doing his general education. He even left with his father for the city once. Ever since then Blubbery Peak has felt rather small. Certainly it felt way too full of cousins. Thus, with a bit of coin and some good will behind him, Bobson Dugnutt has decided to make his way to the city once more and try his luck.

[plain karma]

Just so people are aware the whole Bobson Dugnutt thing was me just randomly stealing one of the names from this. I am not in a game and just bullshitted four generations of Dugnutts. Please do enjoy.

[limber comet]

Losing my mind over the fact that Battlecry! apparently has a "personal siege weapon" archetype

Please please please please let me hoist a cannon over my shoulder

[fossil dome]

I was gonna say what class, but archetype?

[limber comet]

That's all we know

That it's an archetype

[turbid dagger]

So I have got some
Fascinating
Info about the rival academies hybrid study, the water based one
Its gimmick is
Improvised weapons???

[errant roost]

Always a fun image, does pf2e do anything good with them already?

[wary yoke]

Balance question for homebrew, our 1E had a material that was never-melting ice, and we're converting stuff to 2E. As a 2E material, I'm thinking that it could give weapons "versatile cold", would that be a level 3 or 8 minimum item level?

[warped orbit]

hmm
this would let you effectively avoid physical resistance if the target isn't also resistant to cold

which is pretty good

[echo briar]

I'm pretty sure thats just better than adamantine

[errant roost]

wouldn't a (non-magical) weapon made out of ice still mostly deal bludgeoning/piercing/slashing? If I stab something with an icicle, the cold is uncomfortable but the stabbing is what did the damage

[echo briar]

If you made it cost a rune slot, probably like level 11 like most of the others

probably with an extra crit effect

[turbid dagger]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
A new monk sword stance has hit the Pathfinder

Complete with judgment cut

[clever cobalt]

Oh that seems fun

[warped orbit]

interesting

dandpatta are pretty good

though Monk doesn't have a lot of dual wielding support natively

[rustic cape]

This looks intended to replace Peafowl Stance

[frank crystal]

Eh, the free action step is kinda innately a different ability then this

Also kinda disappointed that another monk weapon stance is only for swords

[warped orbit]

dandpatta and talwar are both decent weapons

[frank crystal]

Oh yah the weapons are fine

[warped orbit]

well the dandpatta are really good, but Monk doesn't have good dual wielding stuff which is where they shine

[warped orbit]

I do definitely hope they make more stances for other weapons too

[frank crystal]

It just kinda sucks when some of the best monk weapons are knives and clubs (the Bo staff and kusiragama)

[warped orbit]

Monk weapons are definitely still in a very awkward spot

[wary yoke]

What it originally did in 1E was it gave slashing weapons 1 extra damage, I wanted to make it interesting

[carmine egret]

Good to see the humble anhinga getting representation

[turbid dagger]

Fortunately for those two you can just go staff acrobat or Mauler
But god does talwar waterfowl seem Crazy good

[rustic cape]

It absolutely is, I just suspect this is the soft replacement for it

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[rustic cape]

In the same way that Shocking Grasp technically still exists

But it's not exactly part of the product line anymore

[wary yoke]

So, if I do a pretty much straight port that makes it so diamond ice just does 1 extra damage for slashing, would that be a level 3+ material?

[thorny berry]

malenia jumpscare from 'waterfowl'

the line thing is definitely cute though it seems... somewhat situational. 'Double slice that forces you to split your attacks' at 2 targets, though of course then extremely good good if you manage to perfectly line up three.

[echo briar]

It also has use as a spaceing tool

[turbid dagger]

It's also usable with d10s, and yeah, can situationally be employed just to snag 10 extra feet of reach

It also uses a single weapon instead of 2, when all the weapons its applicable with have Forceful

[thorny berry]

good points

...actually wait there's not really much limit on number of creatures you can tumble through is there? that first ability could lead to some very funny turns

[turbid dagger]

There are some practical limits with how each square of creature is diff terrain but yeah

Could easily have some fun with a zombie horde or something

[echo briar]

Even better, there are no limits on how many times you can tumble through the same character

If you just never fail the check, you could tumble through the same guy like 3X every action

[light gyro]

tumble through specifies you can move through the space of 'one enemy', so no cheese here im afraid

[echo briar]

Good news, new PF2 CRPG https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/streetlightstudio/moondrift-memory-prologue?ref=discovery&total_hits=903&category_id=35

bad news, remember that PF2 subreddit mod that got kicked out for being racist? this is their game

[turbid dagger]

💀

[echo briar]

Please note, while I know they are involved, I'm not sure how involved they are

[warped orbit]

[light gyro]

sensitivity consultant - in charge of making the game more insensitive

[echo briar]

I do think we can safely say the game contains no ninjas

[thorny berry]

see I scrolled the kickstarter before I got the context and

a kickstarter with.... nothing approaching a screenshot inspires let us say less than supreme confidence

[rustic cape]

Oof

Yeah, that looks bad

[thorny berry]

....between pf2 and dnd4 there's like some kind of curse that none of the game systems best suited to high production value CRPGs actually get them

[upbeat ridge]

Yikes

oh yeah, what happened with that?

[echo briar]

They got removed

[heavy fulcrum]

also, irt that CRPG, i dont think they're allowed to use the term "Starstone", even under the ORC, because that should be Reserved Material

[upbeat ridge]

OH right

that person

lol, lmao

[upbeat ridge]

why did the monkeys paw have to curl like this

[sturdy lagoon]

For what it is worth, there is actually a 1st party feat for permanent ice weapon crafting, but it is from the rare Pactbound Initiate archetype.

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=3415

They function as cold iron and hurt you with cold constantly if you lack a single point of cold resist.

Obviously your power budget might be different than something with restricted access, but it is only level 4.

[sturdy lagoon]

Because sometimes a person is horrifically driven in all the wrong ways.

Here most of that drive went towards being racist, and the rest is now going towards… Uh, flip a coin, heads means an actual CRPG, tails means Kickstarter disaster.

[upbeat ridge]

probably tails

then ensuing crashout on the 2e discord

if i had to guess

[sturdy lagoon]

I love kickstarters for mere idea exploration. You can just watch the money burn away on them trying to figure what to actually make…

[light gyro]

hero points :)

[wary yoke]

Hmm. In 1E for weapons only gloves were needed for weapons, but required cold resist for armor, which functioned like mithral

[trim grotto]

one of these days i'd love to do a full kineticist party lol

[tight flare]

Oh I did not now there was a dedicated PF channel. I take it this is for both 1 and 2?

Anyone knows if there's a good monster to use as a brain in the jar?

I'm converting an old adventure of mine to PF2

And it had a Brain in a Jar in it

[solar storm]

I don’t think there is a direct version of the brain in a jar

[tight flare]

Doesn't need to be exact, just something that feels freaky in the same way, as if someone has experimented on themselves too much

Got two necromancer brothers, one is a brain in a jar, the other is a lich

(the latter clearly got a better deal)

[solar storm]

Oh, a Noxious Needler might be good

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=3109&Redirected=1

[tight flare]

Ah hell yes. This looks perfect

[solar storm]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=1982

A couple others for taste

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=2930&Redirected=1

[tight flare]

I love Jah-Tohl but alas 'tis to big to fit my dungeon xD

[solar storm]

Ah very fair

[tight flare]

I notice they'r actually all large hmmm...

I might have to resize a few rooms

[solar storm]

I don’t think it’d be a big problem to just make some of them smaller

[tight flare]

Or I can just shrink it I guess yeah

I think the Noxious Needler has the most appropriate lore
Seeing that his motive is revenge against his lich brother

[solar storm]

Yeah that sounds great

[eager mountain]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT2mWh4b9/

[upbeat ridge]

does the cover negating thing from phase bolt work with the strike from starlit span spellstrike or spell-woven shot?

or like

needle darts

[worthy stump]

I think that rider effects like that on attack spells have always had an unclear RAI and no definitive RAW. Which has led to a lot of discussions. Same thing with Shocking Grasp’s bonus to attack versus metal stuff

[astral prawn]

I'd rule it as being combined personally

[warped orbit]

It does yes but doesn't affect the actual Strike portion

[light gyro]

wdym? under your interpretation, does it change the target's AC bonus or not?

[warped orbit]

I had to actually double check and forgot its less clear than I remembered

Overall its probably fine to just let it work

[worthy stump]

Yeah, I agree there

[upbeat ridge]

How quickly does foundry update with new stuff?

[echo briar]

very quickly

[warped orbit]

very quickly with the content, automation takes a little while usually

[trim grotto]

Honestly making a character who's explicitly antagonistic to hell knights might be a fun idea for my eventual next character

[tight flare]

What's an appropriate god for building a huge castle?
You have lots of money, spend it on building huge castle, what now? You want a temple dedicated to some god you feel helped the construction of this thing. Who?

It used to be that dwarven god from Eberron back when this adventure was for 3.5

Forgot his name

[light gyro]

abadar for one

[clever cobalt]

Torag could also work

[trim grotto]

lamashtu /j

[fossil dome]

Abadarbis the obvious pick, yeah

[trim grotto]

could i make my automaton straight up look like this

[clever cobalt]

Yes

[glossy ridge]

why does this look like a digimon if it was drawn by SMT artists

[echo briar]

Would you allow speak with plants to work on algae, which is not a plant

[turbid dagger]

Speak with plants allows fungi too so I think at that point its just Plant Esque Thingy

[frank crystal]

What’s a good NPC statblock for a magus?

[clever cobalt]

It's Justice from Guilty Gear

If that explains it at all

[solar storm]

Mage Knight?

[surreal basin]

Honestly maybe Iomadae as well

[frank crystal]

I can’t find a NPC named that

[solar storm]

NPC core

[frank crystal]

Ah the new one?

[surreal basin]

What’s the street date for that btw

[frank crystal]

Also that is legitimately the perfect level for this NPC

[solar storm]

March 3rd I think?

[frank crystal]

Kinda annoying I’m gonna have to recreate it in foundry

But yah that is pretty perfect for what I need

[surreal basin]

When do u need it by

[frank crystal]

Other then needing a spear instead of a mace

[solar storm]

Yeah it's possible it'll hit Foundry by like next Tuesday

[frank crystal]

…I was gonna say Saturday but my party will probably be in a dungeon that entire day

So Nevermind I can wait

[solar storm]

Yeah if it's 2 weeks it should be added by then

[frank crystal]

Speaking of that dungeon, anyone have any good art for a diabolic dragon?

They’re fighting an ancient one (who was injured by an Angel years ago so is mechanically a young one)

[solar storm]

wow that was fast

[surreal basin]

I’m good at Pinterest

:3

[frank crystal]

Hell yah

Thanks

[heavy fulcrum]

i think i used #3 for a characters dad

[frank crystal]

Ooo I love the red halo in the second one

[frank crystal]

What was their dad like?

[heavy fulcrum]

big magma dragon from the plane of fire

[frank crystal]

Oh

Are they a good dad?

[heavy fulcrum]

as much as a dad you dont live with who has 40ish other kids can be

also i was wrong, it was a different piece by the same artist https://i.imgur.com/p5DOexR.png

[frank crystal]

Oh huh

[heavy fulcrum]

because sometimes you have to make a character who's name is a full paragraph

Merchant Prince of House Nahasi, Baahir ibn Danilunahk ibn Flauros al-Madinah, Fourth-born son of Emira Sakhrah, Thirty-seventh child of Lord Danilunahk of the Emberglass Peaks, Scion of the Shining Scourge, Master of Coin for the Nation of Nadaren, Planar Envoy for Mortal Relations, Chosen Conflagrant among the Many, Lord-Captain of the Seventh Gilded Legion, Ardent Bloodkeeper, Oathsworn Investor of the Brazen Vaults

[frank crystal]

How long is his name?

Oh

[turbid dagger]

https://app.demiplane.com/nexus/pathfinder2e/creatures/blade-magus Then look at this also

[frank crystal]

Oh that’s full on giving a NPC spellstrike

[heavy fulcrum]

he also has a very silly family tree because my GM went "sure, why not"

[frank crystal]

Also this NPC is technically a retcon, though my players won’t know it

[heavy fulcrum]

grandson of one demon lord (through his regular dad) and semi-son of another (because sometimes you (a demon lord) decide to make a bunch of spawn as part of a plot to take over the City of Brass but it goes sideways and you just have a bunch of empowered kids running around)

https://i.imgur.com/In2oyzw.png

[frank crystal]

They were introduced as a champion but I want them to be revealed to have lost their cause’s magic late into their career and began to learn arcane magic to compensate and hide this from peoples

Helped by him being a commander so not seen often and most people not knowing the difference between schools of magic

I wanna make them really suspect he’s a possible traitor to make them not suspect the twinkish priest they just recruited

[frank crystal]

I hate it when I lose my child army

[heavy fulcrum]

more of a "once they grow up, i can use them to build a cult in the city and infiltrate the higher stations and take over!"

and like, technically some of them did form a cult but its like, hilariously minor and Baahir, who was supposed to be the cornerstone, just doesnt care

he nominally supports them and took a few titles for it, but he really doesnt give a shit about the cult

especially because hes got a ton of other stuff going on and the Nurgal stuff is low priority to him

[frank crystal]

Fuck imagine being a demon lord and another demon lord considers you low priority

That’s gotta be so insulting

[heavy fulcrum]

oh, baahir's not a demon lord

though we did decide he became a minor god post-campaign (because we were already high level mythics and i had several of the demigod abilities)

and actually stole a bunch of Nurgal's worshippers

[frank crystal]

That’s maybe more insulting

[heavy fulcrum]

the main thing is that Nurgal is, canonically, in a really bad position

firstly, he used to be an Azlanti major deity but got into a fight with Acavna and split in two back in the day so theres also an infernal duke named Nergal

[tight flare]

Abadar is a fine choice. I will go with that

(for the castle suggestion above, thanks people)

[heavy fulcrum]

secondly, while he does have an Abyssal realm, its a blasted wasteland with nothing of note and its connected to another realm currently controlled by a demon lord who hates his guts

[frank crystal]

So while he may be a demon lord, he’s probably gonna be overthrown or killed soon anyway?

[heavy fulcrum]

and his two major themes are "the sun", which is taken by much more powerful gods, and "senseless warfare", which is mostly covered by just "war" by again much more powerful gods

probably not that bad but hes just not important or powerful

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[heavy fulcrum]

which is (in our campaign) why he hedged his bets on a scheme to take over the City of Brass and gain influence on the Plane of Fire, because that would have given him a major step up

but also why hes not really too upset about it not going perfectly, because its just one fairly low investment scheme out of many

[frank crystal]

Ah so he’s got like, 50 other plans also working at the same time?

[heavy fulcrum]

if Baahir hadn't gotten himself into a position to pick up mythic power, the result would have just been a minor cult in the city and a few half-kids there

i did actually make a domain for post-game god Baahir, just cus
https://i.imgur.com/sN9X6NQ.png

and a little uh... epistolary thing

    They are now the Church of the Lord’s Light and the Cult of the Noon Lord and the Order of the Sunseekers and many more yet-unknown groups dedicated to the rising deity known as the Lord of the High Noon Sun. At his behest, they travel the Inner Sphere, gathering allies to his cause, freedom from the tyranny of the demon lords and archdevils, release from service to eternal law and infinite chaos and the ability to seek your own power and wealth.
    Despite these apparently lofty goals, they are neither evangelists nor freedom fighters. They are greedy, vindictive and self-serving monsters who manipulate those they can gain power over for their own advancement. Do not be confused, these are not devils dealing in contracts and damnation or demons slaughtering and corrupting with abandon. The followers of the Lord act with guile and violence in equal measure and they work not to undermine the societies and works of mortals but to exploit them to achieve ever higher positions of power.
    In the Inner Sphere and beyond, his outsider minions are traitorous fiends turned from their evil masters to act toward their personal goals, fallen celestials who no longer wish to fight never-ending wars and all many of other outsiders who find pleasure in power and position.The Lord’s most significant place of worship among the planes is a great palace-fortress on the border between the Planes of Fire and Earth. Efreeti, shaitan, elementals, primal dragons and others gather within its adamantine walls to cooperate and conspire against any obstacles to their goals
    On Golarion, his mortal worshipers are diverse and widespread. Merchants and nobles, soldiers and mercenaries, wizards and witches in lands across the Inner Sea and beyond praise the Lord’s teachings. Anyone who desires wealth and power through personal accomplishment and willing and able to use others to get what they want is welcomed by his secret cults and public institutions.
    Under the searing light of the noon day sun, they work to acquire, control and exploit public institutions, private businesses, the armies of nations and mercenary companies. They find places where their unique services can be of use and work their way into power. However, despite their goals, they are not quite so cruel or stupid as to be tyrants or despots. Those who follow the Lord rule peaceful lands, lead well-organized armies, run successful businesses and are generally accepted as friends and allies to those around them. Truly, the followers of the Lord of the High Noon Sun are an enigma that will likely vex religious scholars for millennia to come.

- Excerpt from an unpublished academic paper by ____________, Lead Researcher of the Candlemere Academy’s Department of Divine Magic, 4783-4834 AR.

[frank crystal]

He’s against slavery? Good for him

[heavy fulcrum]

he is half-ish-genie

[frank crystal]

Oh yah you did mention he was partially elemental (I think)

[heavy fulcrum]

half magma dragon, half efreet, part demon lord

another very ridiculous thing, fairly late game, i made a pair of Brass Golems

because, lol, lmao https://i.imgur.com/Nwb6DqX.jpeg

20 HD, Huge, immune to fire and magic (and healed by fire)

i really do miss some of the insane shit you could get up to in 1e

[frank crystal]

What’s HD?

[heavy fulcrum]

hit dice

[frank crystal]

Oh

What was their dice?

[heavy fulcrum]

levels, essentially

uhhh d10

[frank crystal]

Ah Jesus

[heavy fulcrum]

CR 14 though

their equivalent in 2e, the Brass Bastion is Level 14

not quite as scary though, since they lack the immunity to magic (just resistance 15 to non-water magic) and dont have constant see invisibility either

"construct" and "mindless" does still cancel most non-attack magic though

but also you cant just buy them anymore!

i get why but cmon, i want some big buddies

[tight flare]

Anyone got an idea for a good ice monster that could spontaneously manifest from an ice spell cast to keep food cold?

[frank crystal]

Icicle snakes seem to be the best option

They’re the lowest level cold elemental that isn’t a humanoid

[tight flare]

Never heard of. Will check out

[solar storm]

What level range are you looking for?

[tight flare]

They're definitely not bad, but they're a bit too low level

The players are leve 5-8

[solar storm]

https://2e.aonprd.com/Monsters.aspx?ID=1222
I was gonna say living symbold but that's too high

[tight flare]

Hah those guys. We had a bit of a situation with a bunch of those in an adventure path

They're quite nasty

[frank crystal]

I really like the idea he’s still fully devoted to the Angel he worships but as he got closer and closer to that Angel he keeps seeing more and more flaws in him

So he simply, can’t find it in him to worship him anymore

But he’s still fully devoted to him as a commander and leader

But not as a religious figure

[echo briar]

Anastasia left Russia because the revolution right? That’s why Rasputin needed to die?

[surreal basin]

I mean I think he was also like

An evil wizard

[fossil dome]

Baba Yaga's nephew(?), IIRC

[echo briar]

Really, I need the odds that communism spread to Golaran via Russians

[tight flare]

I haven't used foundry but will likely do that to run PF2 in the future
How easy is it to make NPCs?

I plan to run original stuff only

[echo briar]

As in homebrewing every NPC?

It’s not hard, but why?

[tight flare]

Oh right I mean that I'm not running an AP

Not that I plan to use 100% original content

Only that I can't pick NPCs from APs

(because I don't run one)

[echo briar]

Oh, then it’s very easy

You can even use the stuff from APs. It’s on there and like 90% if it is just generic stuff

[fossil dome]

I presume the Foundry PF2 mod has Monster, NPC, and Bestiary?

[echo briar]

Not NPC core yet, as it’s not officially released

[fossil dome]

Eh, ykwim

[tight flare]

ykwim?

Oh right I know what you mean lol

First time seeing that abbreviated

[fossil dome]

Pronounced (ikwim)

[stable river]

Ok, I'm looking for a feat or rune or something that I think exists that lets a weapon person make an attack that turns into like a line of damage but I can't find it. Does anyone have any clue of something similar?

[errant roost]

was it this new (upcoming?) monk feat?

[wary yoke]

He had plotted with his half-sister to trap Baba Yaga and encase Golarion in ice, and IIRC he had stolen some of his mom's magic to stitch his life-threads together to thwart death

[echo briar]

So nothing to do with communism

Because the communists where only relevant post Rasputin

[wary yoke]

Sounds like that one Exemplar ikon feat

[wary yoke]

Somehow, Rasputin lived

He used magic to fake his death and escape to the countryside

[novel merlin]

There's a new monk feat for waterfowl stance that does this

Otherwise you might be thinking of an extending rune

Which isn't a line

[warped orbit]

Knight Reclaimant has a focus spell that lets you do an aoe effect with your weapon damage

https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=556

[frank crystal]

Magus has a feat that lets them manifest a chosen weapon in their hand right?

[warped orbit]

they have Spirit Sheath, if that's what you're thinking of

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=2852

[frank crystal]

Yah that’s it

Thanks

[stable river]

Yes! This is what I was thinking of, ty

[clever cobalt]

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6yorn?Impossible-Playtest-Debrief

[astral prawn]

Asked about the 8 hours activity only thing, was told that no it is not a major departure from the rules

So apparently RAW, we need 10 hours rest factoring in prep stuff, 8 hours of actual activity, and 6 hours we eat stuff and chill

More than 8 hours of activity we get fatigued

[astral prawn]

Reference to this whole thing last week

[fast hill]

playing pf2e kingmaker and I realised my class is currently useless (aldori attack) because we haven't been able to drill

[upbeat ridge]

All the book says is this? Unless I’m missing something

[astral prawn]

Is what I thought, but apparently more than 8 hours of activity causes fatigue in her ruling

[upbeat ridge]

These are the temperature rules https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2820&Redirected=1

The only thing this says that in normal temperature you can overland travel for 8 hours without getting fatigued

But noting about adventuring

[rustic cape]

Unions got adventurers the eight-hour workday and the weekend

[upbeat ridge]

Like I get it’s the gm’s game and they can do what they want but I don’t think that’s hard RAW

[errant roost]

at some point it might be better to think about vibes and not RAW. is it honestly causing a problem? in what way, and how does it make you feel? you might be able to talk through that and reach a compromise, even if it's not RAW (or what she thinks is RAW)

it sounds like she has some reason to think this rule is good for your game, but might not understand why it's frustrating you

[astral prawn]

It's a little frustrating because some things will just eat up an entire day, when we explicitly have some time constraints

[errant roost]

is it possible she's trying to make time management and hard choices matter in light of that?

[fast hill]

(commander)

[astral prawn]

Maybe?

[stuck bane]

So to be clear, the group is frustrated with this change, the gm just put it in without discussing whether to use it, and hasn't given a reason for why they did it?

[astral prawn]

Nah it's been here for before even I was here, it seems like it was a me thing more than anything

[fast hill]

Commander is great fun in combat

really strong in a unique way too

[frank crystal]

Hmm I wanna make my upcoming dragon boss seem really smart

With them setting up in a good mine, taking the miners as hostages/slaves

What would be a good way to have him actually act smart in the upcoming fight?

[turbid dagger]

So, the real smart thing to do as a dragon, to the point that its maybe a lil unfair
Is abuse your flight speed

He could have escape routes

Unexpected entryways into certain chambers from the air

[frank crystal]

I have already established this as a one entrance one exit map

So I think entryways into and out of the mine would be unfair

[astral prawn]

Air superiority is absolutely the biggest advantage a dragon would take advantage of

[turbid dagger]

Insert a shapeshifting minion into his supply of 'hostages', perhaps

[frank crystal]

Ooo

He is a diabolic one

So I’m sure there’s some demons who can pretend to be humans

[turbid dagger]

That way he's informed of any attempts to free them, rebel, plot, etc
Also diabolic dragons are Hell-aligned iirc 🤔
And there's definitely a shapeshifting devil

[frank crystal]

I’m my setting diabolic is more demonic

In lore they’re dragons who were literally infected by hell

Which is where demons are in my setting

Devils are something else

[turbid dagger]

I see I see

[frank crystal]

But yah maybe I could have a succubus or incubus?

It’s different then their normal role but like

They’re still shapeshifting infiltrators

They’d be just as useful for gathering information as they are seduction

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, I was gonna suggest succubus, with the sole caveat that they're kind of low level compared to a diabolic dragon
So you'll have to either look for an AP specific enhanced succubus or uplevel one yourself

[frank crystal]

Eh the PCs are level 9

Succubus is still within reasonable threat range

At least if I make them strong

[astral prawn]

What level is the dragon?

[frank crystal]

11

Mechanically he’s a young diabolic dragon even if he’s super old

He was injured by an archangel decades ago and hasn’t fully recovered yet

Honestly I really like the idea that if he’s every too injured he retreats to another chamber only accessible by flight

Only one of my PCs is capable of it and it’s only for a minute

Actually 2 but it requires a spell for one of them

[errant roost]

Instead of flying, could you give him a burrow speed? Maybe have some pits/deadfalls/molten ore traps he could trigger in the final showdown

[frank crystal]

I don’t really wanna do that due to there being a different dragon with a burrow speed

Ooo

He is immune to fire

I think some lava rivers would be cool

[clever cobalt]

https://bsky.app/profile/paizo.com/post/3ljbggy2rcf2k

Paizo (@paizo.com)

Everyone is excited to welcome Matt Mercer and Felicia Day back to the table for Lost Odyssey: Godfall—a Pathfinder liveplay set in Paizo's world of Golarion!

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[echo briar]

I would have sworn that between his own systems and some WotC contracts that this was impossible

Glad to be proven wrong

There’s also a non 0 chance this is because they need his voice acting skills, which is exciting

[heavy fulcrum]

i believe the wotc contract is with critical role

this is not critical role

[echo briar]

Does gods rain have a audiobook yet?

[heavy fulcrum]

(okay it is geek and sundry, but still, this is a separate show, they have plenty of non 5e shows)

[errant roost]

I thought CR and Geek and Sundry split up?

[heavy fulcrum]

actually youre right, i forgot CR has its own company now (and that the split nearly killed G&S)

(that and the massive layoff from their parent company)

[astral prawn]

Might need to become bedfellows again if CR go through with dropping WotC

[tight flare]

What's the most lich-appropriate god in Golarion?
Ie the god most likely to be worshipped by a lich

[fossil dome]

Definitely Not Pharasma

[tight flare]

Haha

The guy is pragmatic and fairly nice as long as you don't piss him off (the lich in question)

An outright "evil" god seems inappropriate

[fossil dome]

Pharama is not evil

LN, iirc

[tight flare]

I'm perfectly aware

I wasn't thinking of Pharasma when I wrote that. I was excluding gods like, Zon-kuthon

[fossil dome]

Oooh

Abadar

[tight flare]

Abadar might work, though that makes a lot of Abadar-affiliated people in this dungeon

[fossil dome]

Hmmm

[tight flare]

I have an idea. There are two temples. One underground secret altar to Abadar, owned by the lich.
Above ground there is also a temple to Abadar, but it's not really... It's actually a temple to Mammon.

This means that not only is the initially nice temple not really that nice

But also that the lich is more of an abadar fan than the supposedly nice people on the surface

ADmittedly Mammon seems to be legacy content

[turbid dagger]

Probably Urgathoa or Nethys
Urgathoa for defiance of the natural cycle in pursuit of personal fulfilment, Nethys for pursuing the heights of magic at any cost

[tight flare]

Right we've had to deal with Urgathoa yeah. Afaik she has the weird body fluid thing going on if I remember correctly

Nethys might be more appropriate

[turbid dagger]

Uh what do you mean
She's basically just a hedonist to the extreme
Eat food, do drugs, other more depraved things that are not detailed for the good of all

[tight flare]

Maybe I'm thinking of another god

SOmeone with a fly as her symbol

She figures in an old-ish adventure path for PF1

Just checked. It was definitely her

There was a temple dedicated to Urgathoa, with cisterns full of various body fluids

It was freaky lol

(Curse of the Crimson Throne)

[limber comet]

I will be there.

That is genuinely so exciting

I wanna know what class Mercer is gonna pick up, if he's playing

Presumably he is but yk

[surreal basin]

Hey yall red mantis AP is fucking HARD

[limber comet]

Whuh happen

[surreal basin]

Got into a back to back to back boss fight chain

Spoilers: ||Fight with target, then the herald of Gorum, then a bunch of rival assassins||

With only break being 10 minutes between fight two and three

And this is all at the end of a dungeon

[astral prawn]

True Neutral but a fair mistake to make

[summer void]

Average Starfinder spell

[vital kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-handsome-toasty's-gif-handsome-my-honest-reaction-gif-13732984191404515456

[fast hill]

I just found this feat for commander holy shit

[fast hill]

no way this is real

[summer void]

It aint official

[clever cobalt]

This seems useful

[fast hill]

might take wizard dedication next level

I want a cantrip to keep myself safe

[rustic cape]

Yeah that's pretty great

If there's a level with duds that would be a very good pick

[frank crystal]

Honestly other then there absolutely going to be an exemplar and animist I’m wondering too

[frank crystal]

When a NPC lies to a party do I roll deception or do they roll perception and compare it to their deception DC?

Like assuming they suspect something?

[tight flare]

We have anyone who has insight into Ustalav politics?

I'm rewriting a PF1 adventure which I ran in Eberron (!) and I'm moving it to Golarion. Specifically Ustalav

I'm wonder if there are any major historical events occuring in Ustalav during the most recent, say, 500 years?

I know there was the Tar-Baphon thing happening, but that should be much earlier

[tight flare]

I'm writing a brief history of a remote region of the country, and I need to consider what events might have occured there that relate to the history of the region

[turbid dagger]

So you can have it go either way but official APs have had enemies Lie on numerous occasions
I can recall 2 encounters where enemies are written to use the Lie action, with their own deception mod, in abomvaults alone

[frank crystal]

ah ok

[stuck bane]

Just did a lie check in stolen fate a couple weeks ago

[clever cobalt]

You could also let the players roll a Sense Motive check vs the NPC's Deception DC

[surreal basin]

I personally would try to avoid rolling in a way your players can see also

So they don’t have:
this npc said something and the GM rolled

[turbid dagger]

You can also poison the data pool if you really want to use the vtt for whatever reason
For example- I roll the rogues trap finder perception check before every room, not just ones that actually are trapped

[surreal basin]

Tbh I just roll it once at the beginning of the session

[turbid dagger]

That's fair, bet I dunno, that feels a bit feast or famine

[surreal basin]

True but it’s a lot of overhead ptherwisw

[silver geyser]

Here's about 500 years ago for Ustalav and what was going on then.

[tight flare]

Basically what I'm looking for is: Is there a place in Ustalav that didn't see some major change during the last say 500 years that I could place a castle in without having to involve specific Ustalav political events

It's a remote valley somewhere with a castle, a lake, a small-ish village

Noble family comes in and builds a castle there

[frank crystal]

Anyone know why Brimoraks were changed from small to medium?

I’m not complaining it’s just a kinda weird nothing change

[silver geyser]

I am dumb and forgot to finish this fucking thought.

[glossy ridge]

they started feeding them better

[tight flare]

Ooh this is useful. Thanks!

[silver geyser]

yeee

[tight flare]

Seems like nothing really BIG happened that would actually affect my timeline

[frank crystal]

good for them

[upbeat ridge]

How good is untamed Druid, post remaster?

[frank crystal]

Hmm

How viable is a build of dropping and pulling out various guns?

[fast hill]

honestly there's not many good levels with duds, there's a lot of really great levels at commander, especially level 2

but a good cantrip could save my life, considering I have 1 strength vs 4 int

[novel merlin]

Not great because of runes

Gunners bandolier gets you 4 pistols sharing runes but that's it

[turbid dagger]

Just saw an announcement in the PF2e discord and realized
'Oh Ink is the dude doing that PF CRPG?'
The issue was wildly misrepresented here then
The problem with him on the reddit wasn't that he was racist, it's that he was being wicked puritanical and accusing other people of anti-asian racism for essentially no reason all the time
I now have far less moral compunctions about the game- that situation was weird and a mess but I can accept 'had a bit of a freakout and was booted off a mod role for it' over 'is a chud'

Though uh- I still kind of expect it to be a mess 😭
All that biz aside the project just doesn't seem to have a lot to show rn

[warped orbit]

well he did also use arguments that were in several cases just blatantly untrue
like claiming that the concept of ninjas was first invented by Ian Fleming for a novel

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, Ink is just
Deeply, deeply strange
Every encounter I had with him back when he was more active on the PF2e discord chafed at me, for all sorts of little reasons
But he's not the Exiled Community Racist that was implied on here back then, that's just wrong

[solar storm]

https://preview.redd.it/h57phd9exs4b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=886d855cbb3d47b12eb5996c2b5594ecf687be8e

Reminds me strongly of this

But with like, Samurai

[turbid dagger]

lmaoooooo

[turbid dagger]

What used to drive me absolutely nuts is that he would always, always insist that Thief Rogue with Dandy is the best build in the entire game and would highkey get on your ass if you pushed him on it
This is, seemingly, a theme

[echo briar]

He was also racist.

He did so many bad things relating to race I just lumped all of it under racism to not need to make a paragraph long list of what he did

[true delta]

I do not fully grasp the punchline about "moutard forte".

[turbid dagger]

Could you cite a source then? The discord is still letting him advertise his stuff there, and I've heard none of it in relation to the main drama

[solar storm]

It's just a french mustard for the joke I think

[echo briar]

I could have sworn they where also caught saying anti Romani things, but can't find it

So I'll concede that point unless I find it

[tight flare]

Any golarion gods linked to elephants?

I know Balumbdar is a god of big things, which is fitting, but he has no divine intercession listed on aonprd so there are no boons, and 'tis boons I need

[tight flare]

I borrowed a Desna boon instead

[surreal basin]

Yeah unfortunately very few gods have boons and curses

[rustic cape]

And they are not really designed for balance

Because they’re unexpected by nature

[tight flare]

Yeah. I have a tiny sidequest that is pretty trivial to do once you realise it's even there, and if you do it you get a divine blessing useful once.

I'm not really worried it will make things unbalanced

(one time only: when you rest it heals all HP and removes all curses and negative status effects)

[echo briar]

What not covered in PF2 region do you think is the least likely to get a lost omens book about it?

[solar storm]

Honestly southern Garund

[rustic cape]

Hey question

Is there any answer to “how does Ancient Elf work with Free Archetype?”

[echo briar]

It doesn’t

[frank crystal]

What’s that?

[solar storm]

see?

[echo briar]

Don’t take it in a FA game

[rustic cape]

Gotcha

[clever cobalt]

Garund is the African Continent

[frank crystal]

Ok to be fair I’m very ignorant on Golarion in general

[rustic cape]

I kinda figured but

Wanted to check

[clever cobalt]

South Garund is a place we know very little about

[solar storm]

The top third or so of Garund is well detailed in the Impossible Lands and Mwangi expanse books

[clever cobalt]

Closest we got is the Mwangi Expanse

Yeah

I'd say it's probably the upper half but

[frank crystal]

So an African styled setting that hasn’t been updated since 1e like the mwangi expanse?

For the best yah

[clever cobalt]

Same difference I suppose

[solar storm]

Southern Garund (the lower 2 thirds) has I think gotten a paragraph or two of description ever

[clever cobalt]

You can't update something that doesn't exist in the first place

[frank crystal]

Oh it’s not even like something bad from 1e

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

[frank crystal]

It’s just not much

[clever cobalt]

It's just something we know nothing about

[echo briar]

On the other hand, that means they can do anything with it

[clever cobalt]

It's not a big of a hole as Casmaron

But it's still a hole

[frank crystal]

What’s that?

[clever cobalt]

Casmaron is the entire continent east of the Inner Sea

[solar storm]

And unlike the other very underdescribed areas it's probably kind of similar to the Mwangi expanse so I'd expect them to get details first

It's fuckin wild to me that Casmaron is as little detailed as it is

[clever cobalt]

Yeah

Same

Especially because it's full of metaplot relevant actors

[solar storm]

It's the biggest continent

[frank crystal]

Oh

Wait and it’s not explored like at all?

[clever cobalt]

Like the Kelish Empire or Vudra

Yeag

Beyond anecdotal references

[solar storm]

We know the names and some details for some of the countries there

[clever cobalt]

But nothing concrete or big

[echo briar]

Who says it has to be fantasy Africa? It could be fantasy Bulgarian

[frank crystal]

The inner sea is Garund right?

[solar storm]

Northern Garund and Avistan

[clever cobalt]

Inner Sea is Northern Garund and most of Avistan

[frank crystal]

Ah ok

[frank crystal]

Huh, that’s kinda like having a setting focused on europe and not including anything of asia

[clever cobalt]

It's the "main" setting of Golarion stuff

[frank crystal]

It’s not even separated by ocean it’s one big continent

[clever cobalt]

No we have Asia

Tian Xia

It's more like nothing on the Middle East and India

roughly speaking

(and everything that general area)

[frank crystal]

I more meant geographically and not in terms of the actual place

[clever cobalt]

fair