I never actually uh
#Pathfinder
fast hill
continued on that
they are going to run a level 10 campaign based on a floating island-city
and I am thinking about playing as a hellknight establishing an order in the city
clever cobalt
Suddenly in the mood for a Pirate Game
fast hill
:)
clever cobalt
I was in a Skulls and Shackles 2e game for one session before it died 
fast hill
:(
craggy thunder
oof
craggy thunder
Does pathbuilder have an option to say a character is from a particular area, like for Pathfinder Society play?
craggy thunder
Does that actually make a weapon or item be considered common for you?
craggy thunder
Struggling to think of a third lore skill to give this tengu investigator
Who has Academia and Underworld lore
The skinny is she basically decided to become a teacher to tutor her nieces and nephews, and the way she did that was to get a basic education after falling in and out with a bad crowd
frank crystal
What kinda crimes was she involved in?
Because you could do a lore based off that
A bank robber being like, lore finance or something
craggy thunder
Petty theft lmao
frank crystal
Ah
frank crystal
Ah so nothing larger scale
craggy thunder
At most assault and battery
craggy thunder
Pretty fucking much lol
frank crystal
Yah that would make sense
craggy thunder
What'd be a good flavorful 'I just wander fucking everywhere' vibes for an alchemical investigator?
I'm inclined towards familiar master?
thorny berry
Isn't scout or something pretty explicitly that as far as getting some terrain stuff? Though I dunno offhand how well it synergizes with alchemist
craggy thunder
I suppose something based around navigation wouldn’t go amiss
eager mountain
to be fair, most of the story takes place in the pactworlds becuase the pactworlds are ALOT OF places
but theres also near space
unborn rain
Warp Drive but really nice
eager mountain
some ship manufacturers
but yeah theres like whole pages description for each couple of these
also i like the Star-nabulance space whale ship
basically a bunch of barathu started doing like lusurey rides on space whales
the space whales are like called via a " star-song "
then like , the company like gains the whale's trust. and once they get some passengers, they build a structure on the whale and ride it a location
they also only keep the whale for like 2-3 years of service before retiring the big guy
so its kinda an ethically sourced space whale cruise
fast hill
related to inheritorworks
its so cool
eager mountain
There’s also a hell drive I think
fast hill
so is FTL used within systems or just going between them?
actually I have a pdf copy now
I will check myself
oh it's so cool
thank u Triune u a real one
WAIT
abadarcorp is RUN by abadar?
that's cheating
eager mountain
He’s Steve Jobs
unborn rain
show me in the rule book where it says a god can't play basketball run a company
trail nova
so is FTL used within systems or just going between them?
Uhh. RAW it’s always correct to use FTL in-system, except maybe between moons of the same planet. I personally like to slightly alter the low end of Drift travel times to make in-system commerce running basic engines make sense
rustic cape
Question: does the 5th level orc ancestry feat Brutal Blows only apply if you're using a type of unarmed strike that doesn't possess the nonlethal tag at all? Or would it apply to any lethal damage attacks even if delivered with such an unarmed strike?
More specifically, would it apply to Wolf Jaw Strikes from Wolf Stance?
solar tendon
remastered version specifies that it works regardless of why you're doing lethal damage
silver geyser
good
light gyro
Hey, Rovagug forbids torture! That's got to count for something!
Sure it's mostly because it's wasting time before you actually kill your target but that's details!
clever cobalt
how would you do Sekiro in PAthfinder? Swashbuckler?
light gyro
as in, parry lots?
craggy thunder
how would you do Sekiro in PAthfinder? Swashbuckler?
Thief Rogue with Sterling Dynamo dedication
getting access to the dueling sword somehow as it's the closest thing to a dex katana
either thief rogue or gymnast swash
strange nest
Oh yeah, Swashbuckler fits surprisingly well
With their access to ripostes and parries, but also the finishers as deathblows
craggy thunder
I have refined my latest character concept to be a tengu investigator who is chugging the ‘a warrior and a scholar’ juice as they adventure to gather enough knowledge and wealth to build a school in their community back in the Broken Lands
That would teach people trades and knowledge as well as how to defend themselves
craggy thunder
When’s that supplement for playing beast people coming out again?
young chasm
howl of the wild comes out may
craggy thunder
Cool thanks
craggy thunder
tfw ur trying to figure out a build for a generally knowledgeable non magical character
rustic cape
Thaumaturge?
Rogue also has some stuff you can build for.
And has the skills to actually do it.
craggy thunder
Rogue feels like it’d fit the best for what I have in mind
That or a smartypants Ranger
rustic cape
Maybe Investigator too?
craggy thunder
Investigator I thought about but it seems like it’d require me to brain too much
craggy thunder
Also apparently it’s a bitch to make it work in combat
rustic cape
Rogue also has some stuff you can build for.
Also Thief can spare the ability boosts to have a decent Int if you want
Yeah my GM houserules it to apparently be easier to use
Although I do not recall the details
warped orbit
Also apparently it’s a bitch to make it work in combat
you mostly want backups when your DeS roll is bad
skill actions and spellcasting are both useful for that
barren cipher
ranged investigator is ok
it's like shortbow rogue but you don't have to mess around as much
if you miss on devise you can just shoot someone else, it isn't the end of the world
warped orbit
shortbow is good, yeah
melee is tougher because DeS taxes your actions, so also having to move around is tricky
craggy thunder
I may just make a bootleg Witcher
Alchemical sciences investigator tengu that takes the weapon feat then ancestral paragon at 3rd level for their waterproof produce flame
barren cipher
and also because you need so many damn stats
eager mountain
“Time to make an empyreal dragon "Grandma" NPC who lives in a cabin. She gives you tea and cookies upon arriving, and listens to your stories while knitting and saying "That's nice, dear".
All throughout her cabin are super rare artifacts that upon questioning, she'd say "oh it's just stuff my kids found and don't use anymore. You can have it sweetie".
Somehow she has your macaroni necklace you made in kindergarden.”
young chasm
guns are the only thing i think make investigator worth playing
mastermind rogue's are pretty good at being knowledgeable
surreal basin
Investigator would also be good with an animal companion
Also be sure to drink the buff coffee
Like a lot of it
Just the basic kind is fine but it ups your strat strike to d8s
young chasm
i will admit insight coffee is such a fun item
turbid dagger
I would love Investigator if it had more interesting metastrikes to leverage with Devise
Discombobulate Type Beat
Which is why I want to do a Draconic Ravager Investigator to be Dragon Detective, Ravager gets lots of cool metastrikes
warped orbit
do hope Investigator will get some cool new tricks in PC2
and/or DeS getting relaxed a bit or easier ways to acquire leads in combat
young chasm
i really hope so too
take some inspiration from the new envoy sf2e playtest (which clearly learned a lot from investigator) and make the investigator more involved in it's DaS
i LOVE the mechanical concept of having the choice to do one thing, and then another thing that makes that first thing better than it was before
warped orbit
Envoys having that one feat to just attack and make something your Asset made me think Investigator might also get something like that
young chasm
i think that would make investigator feel a LOT better yeah
strange nest
theorycrafting a katana wielding ruffian rogue got me trying to figure out what the hell Sekiro is wearing
turbid dagger
I'd say studded leather
Because it is reinforced with armor in places
....Actually, I think the Shura outfit shows that there is chainmail under the robes
Since its torn in that
craggy thunder
There's chainmail under his orange coat
warped orbit
Wolf has pretty decent armor
craggy thunder
His left arm pre-severing has some sort of...
strange nest
I fucking knew it
turbid dagger
Chainmail is pretty good for a ruffian rogue tbh
craggy thunder
I forget what it's actually called in Japanese but it's a combination of jackplate and chainmail
It's like a sleeve of mail
weird question
frank crystal
Ah yah I never noticed the chains
craggy thunder
can ruffian rogue sneak attack with what normally is used for sneak attack, i.e. finesse weapons?
Or does their new criteria erase the old?
barren cipher
yes
craggy thunder
Okay cool
strange nest
Yeah ruffian can still use normal sneak attack stuff
strange nest
I know that feel 
craggy thunder
I just wanna embody the tengu energy of having a lot of random bullshit knowledge without necessarily relying on thaum
fuckit I may just do thaum anyways
turbid dagger
Thaum is cool to be fair
turbid dagger
AbomVaults question:
If my group were to try to destroy the blood pool at the base of the lighthouse, would you ||have the vampiric mist attack them?||
craggy thunder
Thaum is cool to be fair
Tru, and opens up to letting me do mystical bullshit, which is fun so y not
Also, side question
would you let a tengu's gale fan be their wand implement?
novel merlin
As long as it isn't a weapon, probably?
thorny berry
I just wanna embody the tengu energy of having a lot of random bullshit knowledg...
What about mastermind rogue?
bonus skill advancements plus getting a rider for Knowing Things
and access to predictive purchase
craggy thunder
lol
I am suddenly struck by the idea of like
a spellsword ronin
you know the classic look with the robe & stuff
but instead of the big straw hat it's a witch hat xD
craggy thunder
I have looped all the way back around to investigator lmao
This is unironically helping me figure it out
This is a fucking awesome video
turbid dagger
Abomvaults spoiler: ||MISTER BEAK DOWNED THE MONK FROM FULL HP IN TWO HITS||
||EHLP||
||I went for the monk raising shield with the expectation I was easing them into the fight by going for the person least likely to go down||
turbid dagger
Surely they can't TPK halfway through the first floor?????? To ||mister beak???????||
barren cipher
er
sure they can
why not?
show 'em you mean business
||mister beak is a notorious killer even post-nerf||
turbid dagger
||HE LOOKS LIKE SUCH A CHUMP||
barren cipher
||oh god he still has rank 3 phantom pain in the pdf||
turbid dagger
If things get very dire I may ||let them try and remove the soul gem to end the fight|| but the cleric has got the Monk up again
Update: ||WHY THE FUCK DOES A LEVEL 3 CREATURE HAVE RANK 3 SPELL SLOTS||
solar storm
it's simple: ||fuck them adventurers||
turbid dagger
Still 1st
FORTUNATELY
||Our cleric narrowly survived the RANK 3 PHANTOM PAIN and we wrapped up the session with Beak at barely any health thanks to a meaty Scorching Blast hit from the bard||
I'm definitely getting them to level 2 afterwards
warped orbit
Yeah that fight can be very nasty
solar storm
||Mr. Beak is such an unpleasant surprise||
turbid dagger
It shocked me and my crew
Because I only like
Half-know most of the stuff on each level, I'm referencing and reading up as I go since I can't remember all that
warped orbit
Update: ||WHY THE FUCK DOES A LEVEL 3 CREATURE HAVE RANK 3 SPELL SLOTS||
Fun fact, this spell was originally a Vampiric Touch, before it got errata'd
solar storm
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE FACE OF MERCY
turbid dagger
I did not realize that he was that crazy a statblock
warped orbit
Fun fact, this spell was originally a Vampiric Touch, before it got errata'd
Which notably had the Death trait
So it used to be worse 😛
When my group encountered it, we got some lucky crits thankfully
turbid dagger
I'm still just super gobsmacked that ||its slots are rank 3||
Like
Huh
||Thats not a thing creatures of that level ought to have||
||Your telling me its okay for level 1 PCs to get hit with level 5 spells in your APs Paizo????||
solar storm
||It is when a silly little guy does it||
warped orbit
||the first floor is in general quite lethal. The scorpion, Mr Beak, the Blood of Belcorra, the thing at the top of the Ghauntlight, the River Drake if you stumble on it (Though that's floor 2 technically)||
Just a lot of potentially dicey fights
barren cipher
it's a good lesson imo
turbid dagger
||the first floor is in general quite lethal. The scorpion, Mr Beak, the Blood o...
||My crew has only gone to gauntlight during the day, like sane humans, so they investigated the lighthouse with no issue lol||
||And I heavily foreshadowed Freznelkesh as a reward for one of my players climbing the trapdoor in the fly pen, as that usually does nothing||
eager mountain
Update: ||WHY THE FUCK DOES A LEVEL 3 CREATURE HAVE RANK 3 SPELL SLOTS||
wait what ?
barren cipher
that is the post nerf
eager mountain
turbid dagger
I found the lighthouse so funny
||ohhh theres a deadly trap and a big boss monster!!||
||they only appear at night||
Why in gods name would anyone be rooting around the lighthouse at night when Otari is a stone's throw away
eager mountain
I found the lighthouse so funny
||ohhh theres a deadly trap and a big boss monst...
i meannn its pretty far away actualy
atleat a few hundred feat to a mile or so out of town
like thats atleat far enough that people wouldnt see shady stuff going dorwn
||that and the theives guild has been doing stuff in there||
my abomination vaults group notes for last week.
Blu text is generally my text
purple is Stormy, our rogue player. andd green is our fighter.
( Stormy's character, Myc mycilium.
soooo i got monster core now
if anyone has questions
look at this cute little wierdo
new archon look
surreal basin
the thing i'm getting from newer releases is that
paizo is really leaning into enemies having like
distinct and flavorful movesets
like they messed with the pleroma
which used to just be able to summon two big damage orbs that wandered around making terrain
and was a caster to boot
but monster core gave it two different attacks, a spell list, the ability to generate the spheres, and a whole action to interact with and move them around
it's just cool
rustic cape
I'm really psyched to play a rogue with a warlord in the party
Just do boatloads of damage
:D
warped orbit
alright then
limber comet
lemme know if any cool illustrations or statblocks jump out at you
Well, the obvious; the dragons and hags are really cool
Also new Kholo/Gnoll lore dropped
Majority of gnolls revere Lamashtu out of fear
More favored gods are Calistria, Nethys, and Shelyn
The new nagas are rad
unborn rain
More favored gods are Calistria, Nethys, and Shelyn
That's not new
Revering lamashtu out of fear is new though, before it was a last resort "if you've got no where else to turn, ask Lamashtu"
turbid dagger
silver geyser
The King of Biting Ants has become an elemental plane!
turbid dagger
I also love barb
I wanna do Spirit Barbarian eventually
Or Animal Barbarian again (did not play much of it the one chance I got)
solar tendon
feels weird doing way better gun damage than the triggerbrand as inventor
clever cobalt
I enjoyed playing a Giant Barbarian in all respects except how "soft" I felt
solar tendon
our gunslingers only gotten one crit in 3 sessions I think
clever cobalt
You playing an Inventor?
clever cobalt
Mhm
solar tendon
and then ooa is full of constructs which have physical resist
so getting past that damage gate is so key
and they have extreme ac
turbid dagger
A co-player of mine in another game has a really poor opinion of OoA for exactly that reason
If gunslingers do not get their lucky crits their bullets are just bouncing off
solar tendon
it kinda makes sense to be a major enemy type but I don't think we've fought anyone else with guns
clever cobalt
I love Alkenstar (the place), but OoA was rough at times when I played it
Alkenstar is a neat little city
I also love the Mana Wastes
solar tendon
which I kinda doubted would be the case anyway but it at least should be the case that you have shootouts
but hey we've only just started chapter 2 of book 1 so
turbid dagger
maybe have the constructs have resist all phys except blunt instead of straight up hardness so Concussive gets its day
unborn rain
it feels weird that teeth are a better way of fighting than a gun
tbf, I did pick blue dragon barb but also like even without that I'd still be doing so much damage
clever cobalt
I like Falcatas on my Fighter
turbid dagger
I do think Gunslinger have got Juice but probably not against constructs or other guys with hardness
clever cobalt
Paizo was also a bit cautious when it came to class design in GnG
unborn rain
Our Gunslinger has been forced to mainly use their melee mode of their triggerbrand just to actually deal damage
turbid dagger
Yeah.....................................
clever cobalt
Like the Thaumaturge and Psychic seem less restrictive, especially the Thaum
unborn rain
I think Gunslinger could definetly do with some more Juice but I think Inventors fairly juiceful
clever cobalt
I do hope War of Immortal classes are more along the lines of the Dark Archives class vs the Guns and Gears classes
In terms of freedom and ability
solar tendon
I mean if ap writers were willing to actually do encounter design and make ranged weapons actually matter then it would be better
like I don't really expect better having read SoT entirely but like it should be better tbh
clever cobalt
I know one time we ran a fight against a guy on the cieling, despite us having no ranged attacks
it sucked
unborn rain
So far I've never seen a official Paizo fight and gone "Huh neat"
clever cobalt
I do like the... "abilities" of Paizo creature design
like every creature has a gimmick or ability that keeps things interesting
but official fights can be weird yeah
unborn rain
It's always just, move towards enemy and attack.
I think Paizo encounter designers should have to read the Paizo encounter advice
Where it's like "You should do things like objectives or fights where a creature ability and the terrain compliment one another"
clever cobalt
I am enjoying Season of Ghosts so far
we're close to fighting the final boss of Book 2
solar tendon
but then really that would probably require them to pay freelancers better
since that's how aps actually get written
silver geyser
Sadly APs get written for the lowest common denominator
novel merlin
So far I've never seen a official Paizo fight and gone "Huh neat"
Ruby Phoenix has some cool ones
solar storm
So far I've never seen a official Paizo fight and gone "Huh neat"
I thought the Mr. Beak fight was pretty cool
Relatively small room with very adverse terrain vs an enemy who can fly
novel merlin
Also gunslingers really thrive if you have someone debuffing AC in the party to boost your crit rate.
solar storm
But yeah a lot of AP fights are kind of bland
It maybe be an AV thing but a lot of them take place in seriously tiny areas
Which feels pretty weird
novel merlin
AV fights are suuuuper tiny but a lot aren't much better
turbid dagger
Relatively small room with *very* adverse terrain vs an enemy who can fly
The mister beak fight is scary
I talked it up last night but I forgot the funniest bit
Which is that our rogue rolled a nat 1 balancing on the glass as she went in, and really didn't want to fall prone into a heap of glass
So hero pointed
Leaving her at 0 for the fight 😨
warped orbit
It maybe be an AV thing but a lot of them take place in seriously tiny areas
the maps generally tend to be smaller, so they can fit all the fights into each one
solar tendon
Also gunslingers really thrive if you have someone debuffing AC in the party to ...
another problem with many construct fights - mindless means no demoralise :(
so barb can do nothing but extreme (boring) murder
solar storm
the maps generally tend to be smaller, so they can fit all the fights into each ...
I think there’s gotta be more to it than that - I’ve run a bunch of dungeon crawls and AV is the most cramped of them
turbid dagger
so barb can do nothing but extreme (boring) murder
He can trip and graple with his big muscles tho right
solar storm
(White plume mountain, AV, ToA, ToH, a couple others)
I think a lot of it is the first couple of levels, though it helps that PF2 handles fights in tight spaces better than some other games
stuck bane
Kinda feels like some of the more extreme effect ranges are just kind of a formality, like an easier to adjudicate “you must have some reasonable presence in the encounter to use this” things
solar tendon
He can trip and graple with his big muscles tho right
she probably could but then it's a map thing
and when you kill something in two hits its like ehh
but I think constructs are potentially rocking a lower save than their ac yeah
turbid dagger
I assume they have poor reflex usually
So Trip may be good
solar tendon
oh prone only penalises ranged attacks if the person takes cover
yeah trip might be good
solar storm
Kinda feels like some of the more extreme effect ranges are just kind of a forma...
I'm not sure what you mean
stuck bane
Like once things have ranges much past 100ft it just doesn’t seem like straightforward fights at those ranges would be very interesting
Basically a round of people who don’t have that range closing the gap while those that do get to do stuff
solar storm
I think 100 feet might be a little bit of a short cutoff for that
Since people are real fast in PF2
But there does come a point where people with really long range are just having different fights if they can use it
frank crystal
is there any level 13-15 monk NPC statblocks?
turbid dagger
is there any level 13-15 monk NPC statblocks?
Look through fist of the ruby phoenix, that's where they would be
frank crystal
Due to an AoN bug we now have the Plane of Ant
The coolest plane
frank crystal
Look through fist of the ruby phoenix, that's where they would be
Ill start looking
I cant find FOTRP on the AON filters
I can find all the other adventure paths too
turbid dagger
I cant find FOTRP on the AON filters
Try Despair On Danger Island or Ready? Fight!, rather than Ruby Phoenix in general?
Okay here we go @frank crystal https://2e.aonprd.com/NPCs.aspx?Letter=&include-sources=Pathfinder %23166%3A Despair on Danger Island+Pathfinder %23167%3A Ready%3F Fight!&sort=name-asc&display=table&columns=creature_family+source+rarity+size+trait+level+hp+ac+fortitude+reflex+will+perception+sense+speed
frank crystal
Oh thanks
craggy thunder
I wish the tengu weapon familiarity feat gave your chosen weapons the tengu trait for you
so you could monk weapon them
craggy thunder
I wish there was a magic item that let you add weapon runes to it and any weapon you drew from it had those runes
Would be cool to facilitate fun character ideas like 'fighter that carries a bunch of swords with different niches'
vital kiln
Y'all got any good names for a magus?
craggy thunder
Like a character or hybrid study or something?
vital kiln
Human, prolly, unsure about background yet
...wait, hang on
I've got it
I'll port one of my old 5e characters in and use him for this
Saves me the trouble of coming up with a new name
turbid dagger
I wish there was a magic item that let you add weapon runes to it and any weapon...
Unfortunately PF2e seems a little too fixated on 'rune costs for multiple weapons' as a balancing lever
See: Combo Weapons
solar thorn
I honestly think that it isokay to give your fighter extra runes to let them have fun with more money
thorny berry
I've always liked the idea of the, like
solar thorn
if seriously worried about balance just have a chat with them out of game to say "please don't sell this to get other kit"
thorny berry
'weapon master' that basically constantly swaps weapons/stances
but it's not really an archetype pf2 supports terribly well
honestly I think the only case where just using inherent runes has some balance implications is if you've got somebody that really loves the idea of using quick draw or thousand-blade thesis to cheat firearm reloads
(and even then: why does thousand-blade thesis exist without inherent bonus progression when rune economy makes it kinda unusable)
solar thorn
Weapons have enough differences and benefits that a fighter that can effectively choose any correct weapon for a situation is going to be noticeably more powerful, but also like, the theme of fighter is to be a weapon master at high levels
Though I have no real experience in high levels, so IDK
thorny berry
well I mean even then fighter is limited by only getting their legendary prof in one group
rip combination weapon fighters, you understand how drifter gunslingers feel
rapid wagon
I just realized that by being a skeleton kineticist, it would imply I still have a soul wouldn't it?
thorny berry
"The power of the elements flows from within you. Roaring fire, pure water, fleeting air, steadfast earth, twisting wood, slicing metal. A kinetic gate inextricably tied to your body channels power directly from the elemental planes, causing elements to leap to your hand, whirl around your body, and blast foes at your whim. As your connection to the planes grows, you attain true mastery over your chosen elements."
I don't think so?
just a kinetic gate
rapid wagon
On the actual current subject, I really do wish the game had more support for the concept of a weapons master, but generally it wants you to pick like one weapon and be good with that the most
rapid wagon
I don't think so?
Well the main reason I'm thinking so, narratively, is because my character got raised as a skeleton using an experimental ritual intended to retain the Kinetic gate. It was a success, but the caster didn't know that. I wonder if it implies more of the original soul was incorporated into me, a knew entity, which is how the gate crossed over
thorny berry
oh yeah I mean that's you/your gm's decision, but at least RAW being a kineticist doesn't seem to inherently demand having a soul
rapid wagon
I guess alternatively, a gate to the same plane opened in me coincidentally, or separately from the original subject
craggy thunder
Unfortunately PF2e seems a little too fixated on 'rune costs for multiple weapon...
But I just wanna be a tengu swordmaster that uses the weapons she picked with weapon familiarity 😩
turbid dagger
Play a fighter!
craggy thunder
I mean yes but that doesn't solve the rune problem
turbid dagger
I mean yes but that doesn't solve the rune problem
Get a shifting rune
solar thorn
Oh god oh fuck my players found a black pudding
they've made it split 4 times
the dps is insane
Uh,
We had to retcon the fight
the puddings tpk'd them
turbid dagger
Oh Lord
solar thorn
the pudding smackith hard
frank crystal
Jesus
solar thorn
Yeah, since this was a random fight and not a narratively important fight, we retconned it as the team's one freebie that they need to be more careful with recall knowledge
the cleric has also somehow reached level 6 without realizing how spicy pf2e heal spells are in combat, so hopefully he uses those more
craggy thunder
I am cursed to come up with really fun duo concepts and never have anyone to use them with
Tengu Investigator and Thaumaturge siblings
The Thaumaturge is a changeling
novel merlin
Would be cool to facilitate fun character ideas like 'fighter that carries a bun...
Shifting rune kinda does the same thing
craggy thunder
My tengu concepts have expanded to me making a whole party of people from Tian Xia who've come to the Inner Sea
surreal basin
I need to make
a mutant version of a fleshwarper/necromancer lady
she created a fleshwarp party member and is essentially his abusive foster mother in a really twisted way
And when they fight her, after beating her the first time she gets desperate and injects herself with mutagens for phase 2
solar storm
Oh that's cool
surreal basin
I guess I could actually just modify an irnakurse
craggy thunder
I just realized I have a great setup for a pathfinder fic
a set of tengu investigator and thaumaturge siblings, and a kitsune ranger
the investigator one of a pair of twins born to a tengu lord, the thaumaturge a changeling that replaced the other twin, and the kitsune a retainer to the tengu lord who couldn't prevent the lord's death when the hag was led back to the estate by the thaumaturge starting to experience the Calling
So they're all searching for the hag
strange nest
Oh hell yeah
eager mountain
Unfortunately PF2e seems a little too fixated on 'rune costs for multiple weapon...
- glances at exemplar *
If only things had more stuff like twin star
rustic cape
I like Automatic Bonus Progression
craggy thunder
Oh hell yeah
What sucks is in terms of actual healing all they have is the alchemy investigator lmao
turbid dagger
she created a fleshwarp party member and is essentially his abusive foster mothe...
Oh yes, the Resident Evil Boss special, I approve greatly
'nooooo I refuse to be beaten by you!! I'm going to permanently fuck myself up by transforming into a giant squid with snakes for tentacles!'
craggy thunder
You know
I think I just realized a niche for power attack
Precision Ranger with Mauler archetype isn't gonna be making multiple attacks a turn anyways
Trying to figure out a 4th party member for this group hunting a hag
an idea I had is this 4th could be a friend the Investigator made while getting educated in the Inner Sea region (she was sent off so her father could deal with learning her sister was a changeling and tracking down the hag responsible etc etc)
scenic patio
Any advice on how to run an Elden ring/kings field 4/one piece style "grim light setting" game via pathfinder 2ed. Basically I have an idea of the PCs entering a cursed continent seeking a forbidden capital city that is said to house a crown or other object that can grant a wish or some other form of riches. I have a few bios I stole form the vermis setting books, but I am kind of stumped on other aspects. One thing I do have is a safe city (more like a large town) in which they can feel safe and can come back to in their travels around the continent gear up and the like.
Oh will be doing foundrty FYI
surreal basin
Importantly: I would not try to go “lower magic” than PF2’s baseline
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Importantly: I would not try to go “lower magic” than PF2’s baseline
Hard agree I told them no real limits its still pathfinder 2ed at the end of the day
surreal basin
Secondarily - be careful about shadow mall and teleport
If you want the journey to be the main thing I would maybe block those two spells - they are uncommon so it’s not unreasonable
silver geyser
Good news is Elden Ring is already pretty high magic.
surreal basin
And they really trivialize travel like
A lot
Specifically shadow walk can really sneak up on you since it’s not technically teleporting
You can make it a risk reward thing by making encounters during it harder than average though
Which is my recommendation
scenic patio
You can make it a risk reward thing by making encounters during it harder than a...
gotcha on the shadow walk, great idea
The biomes I have have are Spooky forests with graveyards, Poison Sleepy swamp, Desert with spooky ruins, Poison highlands/mountain region, and the Cursed Capital Itself.
surreal basin
scenic patio
I feel that I need to add an "ice zone" and an under dark underground area. I can think of anything .
similar to Elden ring i think an underground area is important like the rivers or the ancient cities.
tough perch
i like the concept of arx fatalis' setting
which is that the surface has become inhospitable and the peoples have made underground colonies
might be a good inspiration for the underground portion of your setting
it always is concernd of how people manage to live underground, such as having airvents everywhere (in a medieval setting), and spells to make sunlight to grow crops
strange nest
You can make it a risk reward thing by making encounters during it harder than a...
Shadow walk is just begging you to have some spooky encounters
craggy thunder
Are there any good mystical archetypes that don't include spellcasting?
Trying to figure out how to make as 'magical' a thaum without spells
tough perch
i'm fond of talisman dabbler
there's also ritualist
but both of those overlap with thau
curse maelstrom and living vessel could be options
craggy thunder
living vessel sounds fun
I have changed the concept to an Oracle tho lol
Maybe to an animist when that's out of playtest
honestly
probably an animist
Feels like what I want more than ancestors oracle
rustic cape
Animist is so fucking cool
craggy thunder
it is tbh
rustic cape
I almost chose to play one in my upcoming game, but the party needed a martial
craggy thunder
I think this character is going to be a Sage with a Witness to Ancient Battles spirit
That’s her and her sister the Investigator’s grandmother who participated in the Feather & Starlight Rebellion
eager mountain
I like Automatic Bonus Progression
As someone who loves to get new items and hoard them I didn’t enjoy how auto bonus progression removes a bunch of items
craggy thunder
all guns are uncommon right?
warped orbit
yes
though they are common in Alkenstar and most other places that would have guns
also common for Gunslinger
craggy thunder
I'm asking for gun investigator purposes mainly
eager mountain
Just say your from an are that had guns to start with a gun
craggy thunder
The problem is she's already 'from' the Broken Lands
(she spent an extended period there as part of her foreign education, funded by her suspiciously wealthy father)
I have turned her and her sister into
kind of a tortured metaphor of the Meiji Restoration
She knows a western dueling style whose tenets basically require she forsake all previous styles, studied alchemy at a western university, etc etc
While her younger sister is a shrine priestess in training
and possessed by their onna-musha grandmother
eager mountain
The problem is she's already 'from' the Broken Lands
Cave man gun
craggy thunder
lol
eager mountain
craggy thunder
I wish there were weapon training feats
eager mountain
Aren’t there?
craggy thunder
I guess it might be better to term it an access feat
since the character is technically capable of using a gun since she has martial
eager mountain
Fair
strange nest
mmmm yummy delicious dual-handed assault 😋
craggy thunder
lol
strange nest
good ol’ katana parry fighter
turbid dagger
I'm so excited to hit level four in our kingmaker game
Dual Handed Assault is nuts
Esp. with Dueling Parry
'Yeah I want a shield with my greatsword'
strange nest
Fear effects could be fun with dueling riposte
also for some reason I haven’t realized how mean reactive strike is with trips and the new disarms until recently
If you try to stand, you get smacked
echo briar
So, we haven't had an official blog post on omen dragons yet right?
solar storm
I don't think so
I can tell you stuff about them from the monster core if you like though
echo briar
Yes please
solar storm
art
Other ages are mostly just Young with different numbers so I'll just post that one
I lied adult and ancient also get this
craggy thunder
part of me wants to make this group of tian xia adventurers dual class
but then I will basically never get to use them lmao
echo briar
Ah, and dragon spell casters are still a thing. I was wondering about that. Same costs as before?
solar storm
I think so
craggy thunder
What would be the most fitting research field for a tengu that studied alchemy at an Ustalavic university?
scenic patio
I can tell you stuff about them from the monster core if you like though
could I see the demons 
scenic patio
whats the new balor?
scenic patio
NEAT
solar storm
The Balor is just not in the monster core atm
scenic patio
i think its the same CR?
solar storm
Yeah it is
solar storm
Yeah the new archons are very cool
warped orbit
damn I didn't know Vrolikai are so powerful
echo briar
I think they should bring back the mythological Balor, a giant why needs other people to keep its eye open
solar storm
They got a shot in the arm with the new monster core - but not a big one
They were level 19 in Bestiary 2
scenic patio
this reads like they taking over the balor position unless
solar storm
For APs probably
Since there's no de-OGL'd "Fire Demon" in print atm
There's nothing stopping people from using the Balor anyway
scenic patio
I mean I will but i more intrested in seeing what they come up with
solar storm
yeah fair
echo briar
what if instead of just a fire demon, they had demons of all the elements.
Like, water and wood would be very interesting
scenic patio
Hell (outer rift)s yeah
craggy thunder
oof/lol
turbid dagger
There's a bunch so I don't wanna do them all, any in particular you want to see?
May I see the Cornugon if they've received changes, I know the Barbazu have?
(Those are devils but)
surreal basin
and then triggered the creature before turning on the hazard in the second encounter
which was mostly just funny
turbid dagger
(My SOT summoner's Eidolon is a cornugon so I am interested to see if they have been changed any)
solar storm
Cornugon isn't in the Monster Core, I imagine its Bestiary 2 version continues to ride
turbid dagger
Ah I see I see
I will be patient
In that case- I heard the Iron Hag (annis hag) has new art?
solar storm
I really like the new art
turbid dagger
OMG thats kickass yeah
craggy thunder
I continue to be sad there's no alchemy racket for rogue
echo briar
I’m sad there’s no tennis racket for rouge
If juggler is an archetype why not tennis?
craggy thunder
lmao
If I make one, I feel like I have to make the two items it can quick craft poisons and tools
even tho for me that like
sucks
cuz I don't care about poison lol
craggy thunder
So I have discovered that Rogue/Investigator dual class
Is fucking silly
As one might expect
both in terms of damage (strategic strike and sneak attack stack, but that's a bit troublesome to manage to do)
and also skills
because they circumvent the whole 'only the highest number of skills' restriction
Rogue trains in Stealth and a Racket skill
Investigator trains in Society and a Methodology skill
And then you get the 7+Int skills for Rogue
So 7+4+4
15 fucking skills
scenic patio
sherlock homes chracter
craggy thunder
Pretty much
Thief racket & Alchemical Sciences sounds fun
Get Dex and Int to +4
at the expense of having low health lol
scenic patio
real glass cannon build check that out wizards
craggy thunder
oh shit iconic soldier is a lady?
clever cobalt
Yeah
craggy thunder
Hell yeah
eager mountain
oh shit iconic soldier is a lady?
yeah obozaya is female
craggy thunder
This is good for the culture
solar storm
There's a bunch of feats and such but that's class dependent
craggy thunder
let's say thief rogue
surreal basin
A blinded target would be off guard to you
craggy thunder
hmmm
craggy thunder
is there an alchemical item that is basically blinding powder
surreal basin
Not sure off the top of my head
solar storm
Tumble Behind can be pretty reliable
solar storm
surreal basin
That’s WHY the blinded thing works lol
solar storm
yeah hidden is solid
craggy thunder
Okay taking tumble behind on this rogue
surreal basin
Tumble behind is silly good yes
craggy thunder
(her charisma is fuckawful so I can't rely on feint)
craggy thunder
In this hypothetical party there is, ye
surreal basin
Great yeah then flanking is huge
craggy thunder
katana precision ranger
surreal basin
Oh perfect
You both benefit immensely from flanking
And also focusing the enemies one at a time will fuckin annihilate them
Although an ooze or a ghost would make you both v sad
craggy thunder
said ranger also has an animal companion
a hawk
god yeah
you know
that'd be a funny party gimmick
'how much precision damage can we stack the shit out of?'
This is also a tiny dual class party
So my character has other avenues for damage, i.e. strategic strike
I'm wondering if I want her to have a dueling pistol for her to open with
or have a gauntlet bow where she can keep a hand free for quick tinctures but be able to pop someone
craggy thunder
You both benefit immensely from flanking
it's a dual class party and the ranger is also dual classed into ruffian rogue so even more flanking benefits lmao
thorny berry
is there an alchemical item that is basically blinding powder
fireworks technician can dazzle somebody and then hide from them if that counts lol
or if you've got a way to see through the smoke from an alchemical smokestick, that would do it
strange nest
Are there any kind of abilities, items, or general strategies that would facilitate fighting with both a weapon and unarmed attacks?
charred patrol
not strictly striking with both a weapon and an unarmed attack, but depending on the vibe you want, you might like
for "weapon in one hand, other is empty hand you use for things like trip and grab"
strange nest
oh yeah dual-handed assault is badass
I’ve been really into Sekiro lately and I was particularly inspired by how the Lone Shadow minibosses fight, attacking with a long straight blade and a variety of kicks
thorny berry
and then the other classics
with dueling parry also leading to dueling dance and dueling riposte (which swash just kinda has)
it's a reasonably well-supported weapon style
solar tendon
uh wrestler archetype involves a lot of like
unarmed attack reactions n stuff
without necessarily requiring you to only use unarmed
turbid dagger
Are there any kind of abilities, items, or general strategies that would facilit...
Weapon monk will often want to do fist for their second FOB strike, as it has agile and most juicy monk weapons do not
And then you go get dueling parry and so on off an Archetype
craggy thunder
What's a good dual class for Ranger?
turbid dagger
What's a good dual class for Ranger?
Which edge?
I'd go investigator for precision, fighter for flurry
I also realized a while back that all the Edges work with Kineticist Blasts but that's more Fun than Good
craggy thunder
idk the edge
investigator I don't rly wanna do since another character in this group is one
turbid dagger
Fighter Flurry basically just attacks as often as they can
And has really good Press actions for it
barren cipher
fighter is the no brainer yeah
craggy thunder
I wish monk was less restrictive on weapons
I wanna katana monk for this character
barren cipher
starlit span and precision could be good for a chuckle
strange nest
Paizo pls let us do katana monk weeb shit
craggy thunder
lol
strange nest
The khakkara is already a 1d6 two-hand 1d10 monk weapon with versatile piercing, so there’s already a precedent
craggy thunder
I might do champ/ranger
I think that's what I'll do
Worships Shizuru
precision edge katana
strange nest
Monk two-hand trait stance that lets you change your grip like how twisting tree Magi can would be cool. Wonder if anyone’s homebrewed something like that
clever cobalt
I've been playing Sekiro too
a Sword Saint type character would be great
hope we get some more monk stuff in Tian Xia, anyways
strange nest
Oh yeah! that’s coming up eventually lol
clever cobalt
Exemplar could potentailly work but yeah
craggy thunder
Exemplar I feel could work for certain kinds of sword saint
a particularly boisterous descendant of Shizuru or General Susumu
frank crystal
I’m planning an exemplar sword Saint
Or like
Someone seeking to become one anyway
craggy thunder
That doesn't surprise me lol
Or
wait
I am misremembering people on this server
sorry lmao
confused you with Prae for a sec somehow
frank crystal
Oh lol
But yah I wanna do the classic like, swordsman who wants to kill the greatest swordsman in the world to prove their skill kinda deal
craggy thunder
So Barrow's Edge weapon obvi
craggy thunder
oh gleaming blade
frank crystal
Yah that one
I rely so much on AON I’m completely unknowable until it comes there lol
craggy thunder
lolol
my current plan for an Exemplar should I ever get to play one
Is to play Aroden-lite
aka the most insufferable motherfucker in the universe
Who just absolutely snorts their own hype like cocaine
frank crystal
Honestly, it fits with the class
I’ve got like 2 other exemplar ideas
Though one of them doesn’t work until we get the unarmed subclass
craggy thunder
I am a little concerned as to how using a Strength weapon is gonna affect the stats
frank crystal
How so?
craggy thunder
since you only get light armor
frank crystal
Ohhh
craggy thunder
So you're probably gonna be operating at a deficit
frank crystal
Yah AC does kinda seem like a weird thing for exemplar
They don’t have a way to get to medium either I think
craggy thunder
They do not
frank crystal
Damn
frank crystal
Yah but like, that’s a bit of a tax just for medium armor
craggy thunder
I have a distinct feeling an exemplar/champ would fuck
gleaming blade with blade divine ally
warped orbit
I hope they'll get medium in the release
craggy thunder
getting hit by that shit would hurt
I get why they don't
(It's cuz the class is Maui, the class)
frank crystal
I’ve got like 2 other exemplar ideas
Also my other main idea is leaning into the, colt made them equal American gun mythology with a dual air pistol exemplar whos seeing these new weapons as a means to tear down oppressive regimes
Cutting down knights on horses with a wave of gunpowder and bullets
craggy thunder
well air repeaters are air guns
craggy thunder
sorry, pedant
frank crystal
The vibes you know?
craggy thunder
Ye, ye
frank crystal
I’ll probably flavor them as normal guns
craggy thunder
Because I am insufferable and like the aldori dueling sword
I imagine a dueling sword would make a great exemplar weapon
dex, so mitigates your problem with AC
access to the aldori duelist archetype for more defensive options
speaking of dueling swords I'm thinking of making my Investigator/Rogue dual class' one a kyu gunto cuz she's a tengu
basically a saber with a katana shaped blade
frank crystal
That’s the kinda thing you’d find in the home of a British officer after a recently visit to japan
craggy thunder
I mean ye
It is also a thing you find in a Japanese officer's family home
kyu gunto are very interesting
frank crystal
Oh yah that’s true
frank crystal
Kinda yah!
craggy thunder
'we'll do the stuff that makes Western nations into powerful colonial forces, but like, our way.'
'and we'll do it in like 50 years because fuck you.'
frank crystal
God it is wild how the Meiji restoration was only 50 years
craggy thunder
'And proceed to beat the shit out of the European power attempting the same thing.'
The Russo-Japanese War is fucking wild politically speaking
Also the main war the kyu gunto was issued in
Anyways
Pathfinder
Yes
frank crystal
I love finding paths
craggy thunder
lol
I am a little weirded out... isn't really the right term but let's go with it
With the main god of the tengu, Hei Feng
It's weird the god of an ancestry of people inspired by Japanese mythology has a more Chinese sounding name and his divine weapon is one from Chinese folklore and pop culture
Or I could be wildly off the mark and forgetting tengu or tengu-like entities are also in Chinese myth and I'm just way off
craggy thunder
I wish the dueling sword wasn't the only saberist option
echo briar
I know rakshasas have been changed lore wise, but do they look different in monster core?
also, can we refer to the art style of the book as "monster core"
solar storm
I know rakshasas have been changed lore wise, but do they look different in mons...
I don't remember if this is a change or not but they're a creature family now
This is the weakest kind
solar storm
It's a little guy and transforms into an object to make a mortal its master and corrupt them
Oh whoops missed this
Also the traditional ones
craggy thunder
I like that
Big 'Remember, when push comes to shove you are still a basal, violent animal.' energy
turbid dagger
I hope they'll get medium in the release
Personally, I'm hoping they get an Animal Skin-esque Body Ikon
Though that may become too much of a must-pick
Like, I enjoy the vibe of 'unarmored str warrior that just Tanks Shit'
warped orbit
Personally, I'm hoping they get an Animal Skin-esque Body Ikon
Though that may b...
that's also an option, but I just feel like it'd be basically a mandatory pick for Str builds
echo briar
Personally, I'm hoping they get an Animal Skin-esque Body Ikon
Though that may b...
so the problem is that your AC sucks when you don't have your body Ikon active
warped orbit
so I'd either prefer to see it as a base option, or some other way
echo briar
and switching between ikons is like the point of the class
turbid dagger
Yeah I think the best thing would be for some kind of unarmored defense built into the class chassis
But that's a big departure from The Usual Rules for PF2e
warped orbit
I mean it's either that or giving them medium
I feel like one or the other is just necessary
clever cobalt
Agreed.
strange nest
no way
craggy thunder
I mean I think at least part of the solution
Is letting them big dick and giving them 12 HP per level
strange nest
Oh btw @clever cobalt I hope your pirate game goes well!
clever cobalt
Pirate game?
craggy thunder
I have accidentally an alternative to main gauche
Saber
Agile, Parry, Finesse
Price: 2 gp Damage: 1d6 S
Type Melee; Category Martial; Group Sword```I mean I'd argue a rapier is p much a strictly better shortsword outside of certain circumstances
strange nest
Rapiers are kinda just the default finesse weapon
solar tendon
I feel like parry is already kinda niche
so I wouldn't really rate it problematically higher than versatile
definitely wouldn't say strictly better
craggy thunder
parry sacrifices damage potential for defensive capability on dual wielding builds
I would personally prefer this weapon over a shortsword in my offhand
but I'd prefer literally anything with parry
solar tendon
for sure I just like
echo briar
```
Saber
Agile, Parry, Finesse
Price: 2 gp Damage: 1d6 S
Type Melee; Category M...
The designers have said that parry on a one handed weapon with a die higher than a d4 is costed much higher than normal
notice how the spiral rapier is advanced
this trades disarm for agile while being martial
craggy thunder
fair point
warped orbit
Parry is kind of a weird tag
warped orbit
oh I guess cause it buffs twin parry I forgot they stacked like that
huh, I forgot Twin Parry actually needs parry tag
I though it was just like Dueling Parry
solar tendon
instead of d6 damage?
oh instead of parry
d6/agile/finesse/backstabber is just the dogslicer haha
craggy thunder
yeah lmao I just noticed
solar tendon
goblins just decided to make the best shortsword ever
silver geyser
d6/agile/finesse/backstabber is just the dogslicer haha
thorny berry
dogslicer my beloved
honestly dogslicer monk would probably whip
though I guess that's just worse wolf stance
well, lower-die wolf stance that you can also do peafowl stuff on I guess
frank crystal
My gunslinger is running dog slicer right now
thorny berry
though peafowl feels a bit underwhelming for how many hoops you have to jump through for it
frank crystal
I mean it’s basically lancer skirmisher in a system where attack resources are shared with movement
I think it’s really strong tbh
thorny berry
It's good if you're against, like, medium non-reach creatures where the one step can take you out of their range but the benefit kinda disappears against anything bigger where stepping away doesn't actually force them to move to still hit you
frank crystal
I’m gonna be honest, I do kinda hate the whole “larger things inherently have reach”
It feels wrong
echo briar
I’m gonna be honest, I do kinda hate the whole “larger things inherently have re...
I mean, its not inherent. Centaurs don't have it
echo briar
yea, because they have human arms. why would they have reach?
frank crystal
Idk like, the horse hooves maybe?
echo briar
I just don’t like the inconsistency
the inconsistency of "if it makes sense for it to have reach, it has reach"?
barren cipher
frank crystal
the inconsistency of "if it makes sense for it to have reach, it has reach"?
More like, that there’s rules for “this size of creature has this size, except for these creatures who don’t”
Don’t give me rules for “this size has this reach” and then make it individually based anyway
turbid dagger
huh, I forgot Twin Parry actually needs parry tag
I though it was just like Duel...
You don't need it but it is a +1 to AC unless one weapon has Parry
Parry increases it to +2 putting it on parity with dueling and a shield
clever cobalt
Yeah it kinda sucks imo
craggy thunder
man
dueling sword being regional and advanced just
is not reflected in its traits imo
clever cobalt
It's probably the best for it to be uncommon imo
Elsewise no one would have access to it
Due to the weird rules regarding Advanced weapons
echo briar
like it or not, 1d8 one handed finesse is the realm of advanced
craggy thunder
I mean I can get that
finesse by itself putting a weapon in advanced I can get on paper
But it feels... overpurchased
like there should be a liiiiiiil something more
clever cobalt
The Finesse tax is big
craggy thunder
cuz for me a d8 finesse with versatile is definitely not martial, but by itself is not enough for advanced
turbid dagger
Yeah, 'd8 finesse is usually two handed' etc etc but
Its Just Dex Longsword
craggy thunder
Exactly
I feel like to really 'earn' it being advanced it should've been Dex Longsword With a Lil Somethin Somethin
clever cobalt
Parry :v
echo briar
I mean, its a longsword with an extra trait, like most other advanced weapons. The problem isn't with the sword, its with advanced weapons in general.
clever cobalt
For that extra Katana feel
turbid dagger
Your going to be doing less damage than like
Baby's first martial
For.... marginally better reflex saves??
clever cobalt
Yeah Advanced Weapons in general are weird
I understand Paizonis trying to avoid weapons that are strictly better than one another but
Yeah
turbid dagger
Sometimes you get Mad Dog Shit like the Taw Launcher or Falcatta and then sometimes they're arguably worse than most martial weapons
craggy thunder
The Taw Launcher's hilarious
frank crystal
Rolling 2 crits on a double slice falcatta build is like, a dream of mine
clever cobalt
Big damage
frank crystal
I just wanna see those damage numbers
craggy thunder
the reason I brought up dueling sword is someone in another server was like 'well the dueling sword is a saber' and I just
No bro
frank crystal
Rolling 2 crits on a double slice falcatta build is like, a dream of mine
Also god I just realized how sad that sounds lol
craggy thunder
No
It is not common enough to be the replacement for what is a really common weapon type in fantasy lol
unborn rain
Arent most sword terminoligy words like, nothingness
frank crystal
Most swords are metal
unborn rain
because they've been used historically and contemperily to describe so many different types of sword
So there's no real hard definition
craggy thunder
They are but we are not talking about a game where that really holds water as a reason why a certain kind of one doesn't exist
craggy thunder
saber I would argue is one of those words that's like
at least in comparison to something like 'longsword'
relatively coherent
curved, single edged sword, usually possessing a knuckle guard, popular across Eurasia
There are exceptions, arguably dao are sabers
and don't have a knuckle guard
unborn rain
a saber is a cavalry sword popular during the napoleonic times imo
tough perch
yo i'mma just point out that there is a finesse sweep d6 martial club
and there is no finesse sweep d6 martial sword
which there could be
and we could call it a saber
craggy thunder
The one I'm writing is more of a dueling saber so went with agile backswing
unborn rain
That's a very accurate weapon
craggy thunder
I mean true
But its second trait also only happens if you miss
they're synergistic traits though, to be sure
turbid dagger
agile backswing whips it is true
especially on a flurry ranger or something
turbid dagger
Lets you move for free for more attacks
craggy thunder
Also it opens up the possibility of using a parrying weapon that isn’t agile since you’re just using the saber anyways
Which
Those exist, right?
There has to be one
tough perch
bo staff
silver geyser
shields
turbid dagger
Also it opens up the possibility of using a parrying weapon that isn’t agile sin...
scissore
Or yes a shield
Scissore is a very silly weapon to combo with a saber but it is indeed a non agile parry weapon
craggy thunder
Saber and scizore sound fun
Eh, a saber with agile is probably mostly seeing use on an empty-hand build anyways
Or a buckler build
If you like bucklers
God now I wanna make a sidesword that isn’t just a short sword
But it would just be a fucking shortsword lol
Cuz like no other stat line makes sense
turbid dagger
There's the Flyssa!
Which is literally the same statblock functionally
Only difference is its versatile P/S instead of versatile S/P
craggy thunder
I mean it’s also a knife
carmine egret
Do the new Dragons have hatchling rules?
craggy thunder
I also realized
one could make a spada da lato by replacing agile with something else on a shortsword
is agile on par with Deadly D8?
surreal basin
Do the new Dragons have hatchling rules?
No
surreal basin
is agile on par with Deadly D8?
Yes
turbid dagger
In grand tradition, I made my first spellstrike as a magus on an enemy I was flanking, rolled a nat 1, used a hero point, and still missed
Now that I've paid my tax I am hopeful for the Trillion Damage Crit in my future
surreal basin
one could make a spada da lato by replacing agile with something else on a short...
in related news i found a tool that calculates the balance of homebrew weapons and
I've done it, I can make my special weapons, they work!
craggy thunder
lol nice
surreal basin
Air repeater but I up the damage die to d6, make it fatal d10, and give it cobbled
also make it more expensive and martial
craggy thunder
lol
You know what I think would be a fun background, or maybe even an investigator methodology?
academic fencer
'you went to university but instead of going to class you got in sanctioned bitchfights with rival fraternities with swords'
thorny berry
funny story my pf1 alchemist uses a rapier to sort of simulate that aspect of his background
....it has the 'training' enchantment because he wasn't actually any good at it and is nonproficient lmao
craggy thunder
lol
I'm thinking about dueling and fencing cuz I realized the saber doesn't meaningfully exist mechanically
and academic fencing in particular because my investigator studied abroad at the University of Lepidstadt
She primarily studied alchemy, funnily enough!
XD
thorny berry
great minds think alike
tbh I had often had the thought that I'd probably do him more as an investigator than an alchemist in 2e
if only because his character was more defined by Knowing Things than alchemy per se
craggy thunder
But she was also inducted into a dueling fraternity and, thanks to her father's sword lessons back Kwanlai, had some success
and in the same duel where she received a smitte (the cheek or forehead scar that blooded academic duelists possess), she won in the presence of a traveling Aldori
So accompanied the man back to Brevoy
(Her parents did not like that she did this, but they couldn't really do anything about it for uh, reasons)
clever cobalt
I need to actually give.my characters backstories :v
I feel.like a lot of AP discourage extensive backstories though, unfortunately
It's custom games where they really shine
thorny berry
yeahhh and to me that kind of thing is like. A significant portion of the draw of roleplaying games as a concept lol
I don't think I'll ever want to play an AP, but I do hope strength of thousands or something gets a crpg
craggy thunder
what's funny is my character either fits Kingmaker perfectly
Or fits into the story I want to write lol
She fits into Kingmaker if she goes down the path of 'actually, fuck going back to Tian Xia I like it here'
Which
She is enough of a proud, conniving bitch to do lmao
craggy thunder
Dragon cowboy time
surreal basin