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#Pathfinder
frank crystal
Oh nice
craggy thunder
And our first sort of villain is a like
zealot of Pharasma who's hiring out goblins to raid the town and shit lol
clever cobalt
Speaking of
I'm getting art of my Lizardfolk character and 
Sadly it's both WIP and has some nudity so I can't share it
But it's hype
thorny berry
hell yeah
paper inlet
craggy thunder
You know what I think would be a fun challenge
making a dwarf sword
what traits would be cool for a dwarf sword
swapping the versatile P from longsword for Versatile B of course
barren cipher
brace is a good dwarf trait, but unfortunately not a good trait
craggy thunder
Dwarves give me pushing vibes
shove would deffo work
I do however also think Razing might fit
frank crystal
Fair
craggy thunder
Uncommon, Dwarf, Razing, Versatile B
Price 3 gp; Damage 1d8 S; Bulk 1
Hands 1
Type Melee; Category Martial; Group Sword
```Dwarf Sword Draftit's an interesting question aesthetically given how dwarves are traditionally very, y'know, axe- and hammer-focused
craggy thunder
Feels a liiiiiittle boring
I raise you that Stalwart Defenders look like Stone Darknuts
thorny berry
I agree with @barren cipher on brace both feeling very fitting and not being very good
I think where my head is at is, like... the situation where a dwarf would use a sword is when they have some huge fuckoff shield that makes a hammer or axe or more 'swinging' focused weapon difficult to use.
craggy thunder
I mean in that case a dwarf spear is probably more fit to the task
thorny berry
probably
craggy thunder
I am not coming at this from what a dwarf would really like
'organically develop' for lack of a better word?
I'm coming at it from 'what if a dwarf really liked swords, but also the fact they were a dwarf'
'what would that sword look like'
thorny berry
faur
thorny berry
I raise you that Stalwart Defenders look like Stone Darknuts
the broad tip seems like an interesting approach
I feel like that sort of sword would have sweep
or forceful
barren cipher
i think for that budget it's advanced
craggy thunder
Yeah
barren cipher
it's just a strictly better in every way longsword
craggy thunder
It's gonna be Advanced now
barren cipher
if you want a close-in dwarf sword i think you're looking at a d6 clan dagger
or just a clan dagger
craggy thunder
actually
given it's for stalwart defenders who are in a formation a lot
at least in lore
That would make a lot of sense
barren cipher
comparing to shortsword, finesse has a lot of budget and d6 agile + some frills probably doesn't go over
craggy thunder
Uncommon, Dwarf, Razing, Sweep, Versatile B
Price 4 gp; Damage 1d6 S; Bulk 1
Hands 1
Type Melee; Category Advanced; Group Sword
oh you meant whole cloth a d6 clan dagger
barren cipher
yeah
craggy thunder
nah, agile doesn't fit what I have in mind conceptually
It's much more of just
a very thick sword
I have possibly
an extremely stupid idea
Deadly
barren cipher
traditional dwarven katana
warped orbit
superior dwarven steel, folded one million times
craggy thunder
You joke but fauchards and glaives also have deadly
I could go full balls to the wall and give it Fatal D10 instead
frank crystal
I feel like Fatal D10 is like
A really big tax for weapons
Like a reload 1 kinda tax
thorny berry
d4 fatal d12
scribbling notes for doing a monster hunter gunlance
craggy thunder
I feel like Fatal D10 is like
yeah that's fair
Uncommon, Dwarf, Razing, Deadly D8, Versatile B
Price 4 gp; Damage 1d6 S; Bulk 1
Hands 1
Type Melee; Category Advanced; Group Sword
```Current iteration
silver geyser
d4 fatal d12
~~scribbling notes for doing a monster hunter gunlance~~
BLAM
thorny berry
BLAM
I still wish there were non-ranged weapons that just interacted with the reload economy to do Weird Shit
silver geyser
I get it
thorny berry
but combination weapons generally are a pretty well-beaten horse at this point
silver geyser
Would be good space for some monster hunter weapons
light gyro
confusion / suspended retribution is a funny combo if you dont mind being striked
light gyro
my guy is getting melted
warped orbit
oh damn
light gyro
is there a metamagic that protects allies in an aoe? like careful spell or whatever in 5e
warped orbit
KIneticists have something like that
don't know if there's a metamagic for it too
surreal basin
my guy is getting melted
Ah, I recognize that name
light gyro
nice finale before christmas steals my session time
light gyro
Ah, I recognize that name
I'm so excited to run the next book
surreal basin
This might be the last book of it I run
I really like the later books but tbh the first two books really dragged on my players
But I think book 3 is a good stopping point tbh
light gyro
I want to at least get my party to ||mars||
echo briar
what launguages do you think changed the most/least in the last 1000 years? Whats the pathfinder equivalent of old English, which is unrecognizable, and whats pathfinder French, which is more or less just French?
solar tendon
azlanti is like
the big one haha
but maybe that's more like latin
xanmba, the language of nantambu, is noted as having very archaic vocabulary compared to other languages in the group
echo briar
Which tells me it’s mostly still the same.
Gnomish seems like it would change a lot. Goblin too
silver geyser
Thassilonian has been rock solid for about 10k years. 😛
Virtue of being a dead language until very recently.
Some dialects of Aklo are probably pretty consistent.
echo briar
I bet the languages of the outer planes is fairly consistent, with most of them being immortal and all, and the fact that the language itself is probably magical
craggy thunder
hmmm
Trying to figure out how to homebrew a casting focus that's also a weapon
And realizing that for the classes where that matters they just
can do that
So I think what I might try
is making it a low level item upgrade for staves a la armored skirts for armor
echo briar
Well, the trick with the skirt is that its not an upgrade, but a sidegrade.
frank crystal
So pathfinder story: I had a vampire dominate the party’s fighter who then turned around, raged, and then rolled a nat 20 on the kineticist
Immediately doing over 60 damage to him
delicate ridge
saw this, was curious if anyone's poked around it as a general use setting (not specifically pf 2e): https://luminant-age.itch.io/
light gyro
is there a specific item that can be used to remotely view a location? like the inverse of a crystal ball, or a very long range clairvoyance target
unborn rain
A hags eye can I think
echo briar
craggy thunder
my gm has approved the dwarf sword I made yesterday for my backup character lmao
frank crystal
Honestly Im surprised there are so few high level giants
surreal basin
Yeah they’re more of a mid tier threat
barren cipher
mid tier with +37 to hit hoho
warped orbit
that's an error 😛
frank crystal
mid tier with +37 to hit hoho
What monster?
barren cipher
frank crystal
Oh a +37 rock lol
barren cipher
first attack hits anyone level appropriate on a 1, pretty much
and yes, horrible but hilarious error
frank crystal
Also I’ve found at least a like, high level not giant but a big enough humanoid to work as a giant
The flying mountain kaminari
heavy fulcrum
yeah storm giants dont fuck around
frank crystal
Ok so for my defending the walls to a city one shot
Besides my giant dragon duo boss
I’ve got an adult blue dragon, storm giant, grootslang, for Ian mage slayer and flying mountain kaminari
For a level 20 one shot
This one being primarily focused on just, overwhelming the players
warped orbit
Abom Vaults spoilers
||we are currently experiencing a Belcorra jumpscare||
enter a room, and she's just there
frank crystal
Oh no
warped orbit
thankfully she's leaving now
after blasting us with some big spells
and one of the minions got fucking obliterated by friendly fire lmao
eager mountain
Abom Vaults spoilers
||we are currently experiencing a Belcorra jumpscare||
WHITE WOMAN JUMP SCARE
||get it , becuase shes a ghost||
turbid dagger
Hm
I'm finding myself using blasts way more than I expected with my kineticist
Though thats mostly because we've been fighting skeletons to start with, and Hail Of Splinters is Quite Bad against them
With the ol pierce resist 5 bleed immunity
But Wood gets Vitality as its extra damage type so I've been enjoying that even if vitality isn't actually much better than bludgeoning against skeletons
2 action blast does some serious work though
I'm aware that two 1 action blasts with agile from infusion is probably better but
+4 is a real game changer at level 1
warped orbit
yeah Hail of Splinters is rough into non living enemies
and Vitality blast can be pretty decent
frank crystal
Where are kitsunes from in Golarion?
warped orbit
they are from Tian Xia I believe
heavy fulcrum
yeah
frank crystal
Ah alright
warped orbit
though there are quite a few in the Inner Sea region too
heavy fulcrum
the Forest of Spritis mainly (where most Kami and Kami-adjacent creatures are from)
silver geyser
Probably spread on account of Tian Xia not weathering Aroden's death too well.
heavy fulcrum
theyve been spread around for a lot longer than that
kitsune are also explicitly noted as having a habit of disguising themselves and just going out into the world
frank crystal
Yah I’ve been meaning to ask
Is it common to find non disguised kitsunes?
Or do the majority use their tailess forms on the day to day?
frank crystal
Ah ok
heavy fulcrum
but also theyre tricksters so its a surprise :)
turbid dagger
It varies on culture too I think
warped orbit
later in our AV game
we fight an evil sloth
echo briar
Troops have rules for effects that target 4 or more creatures. My question is, can any spell actually effect exactly 4 creatures?
I've seen 2, I've seen 5 a lot, but never 4
turbid dagger
Troops have rules for effects that target 4 or more creatures. My question is, c...
I think its worded like that because the biggest amount of targets you can pick for 'multiple single target' spells like Electric Arc and Scorching Ray is typically 3?
Magic Missile is the exception but its odd in general
light gyro
On that strength of thousands session I ran Wednesday. Spoilers for the end of book 3 and book 5.
||Wanted to tie the Knights closer to the Throat-of-nothingness, so the murder ritual they were doing was actually test-runs of the same magic the soul shredder cannons use to make nemhaiths. And since the party had skipped a couple of fights, I wanted the final confrontation to be a little spicier. So I levelled down a nemhaith to level 11 (lowered all its stats, decreased its resistance, removed finger of death) and had the priest unleash it on the party.||
||However, before they could yeet the vessel at the party, the bard commanded they Drop it, and then the wizard sealed him in a wall of stone. So for the first few rounds, the party were fighting off abjal while the priest got absolutely mulched by the nemhaith. Good fun.||
light gyro
||i also somehow forgot abjal was level 13, not 11. but then the party got a shocking amount of flat-footed on him despite his Deny Advantage.||
eager mountain
Where are kitsunes from in Golarion?
uhh theres a number of places
there some that are from the crown of the world
IIRC atleast
clever cobalt
Also question regarding that spooky city at the Crown of the World
unborn rain
Angen is in the inner sea and Kistune live there
clever cobalt
||was the city built by the Saumen Kar or did the Saumen Kar just inhabit it?||
||cause IIRC Osoyo existed there before the Saumen Kar, imprisoned by the Castrovel elves||
Also do we know when SF2e and the War of the Divines books are gonna drop?
eager mountain
Also question regarding that spooky city at the Crown of the World
( my gatewalker's campaign actualy just stopped .... so yeah I never got to those parts)
clever cobalt
Oof
eager mountain
i was kinda excited for see it went there tho
after seeing the Saumen kar in monsters of myth
it was cool
clever cobalt
Gatewalkers definitely felt like a 1-20 adventure cut off halfway through
It also feels kinda like the 2e version of Strange Aeons
still holding out for a Dark Tapestry book :v
Give me my Lovecraftian ancestries and heritages, Paizo
true delta
A thing I find odd in Gatewalkers: ||Osoyo is connected to the gates, hates certain elves and is connected to amnesia. Now, Kaneepo the Slim is connected to the gates, hates certain elves and created a curse that causes amnesia. And there is no causal conenction as far as I can tell. I get that it's supposed to be a helpful red herring. But it's still odd. Fun fact: My players completely missed the part about the curse not only killing elves but erasing their memories, too. I like this because it's kinda irrelevant, lol. And why would you erase someone's memories with the same curse which has them turn to ash a day later?||
true delta
Give me my Lovecraftian ancestries and heritages, Paizo
Have you looked at Living Vessel?
clever cobalt
||Kanepo is really weird cause he has basically no plot significance past the first chapter||
true delta
Yeah
clever cobalt
||He's basically just a "go here, kill this guy" character||
clever cobalt
Have you looked at Living Vessel?
I have sorta, what's your idea?
I find the archetype a little... odd
But yeah
Though it did give me 2 fun character concepts
true delta
Oh, and ||Bolan says Kaneepo's goal is to bring the curse back. WHich makes sense. Butthen, Kaneepo tries to find an heir somehow? And the book says that this is their end goal... I get that it's the difficulties of writing an adventure where you're not supposed to stop all the villain's plans at once but come on||
clever cobalt
Nephilim Automaton who's really a Fiend bound to a machine (ala an NHP), the Living Vessal archetype being his "true" unbound self
Qnd
Dark Tapestry Exemplar who's slowly becoming an Outer God, and the Living Vessal represents his less human side (which is growing)
clever cobalt
Oh, and ||Bolan says Kaneepo's goal is to bring the curse back. WHich makes sens...
||Kanepo in general is just weird, I wouldn't think too hard about him tbh||
||He feels very tacked on to the adventure||
true delta
Yeah. Since my campaign sessions are irregular and not super frequent, I'm considering cutting a lot out. Maybe, I'll just skip ahead to certain points and tell the players which level they're supposed to be. So I don't need to adjust anything. There could simply be fast advancement.
I also really need to give Gatewalkers a more thorough read but at a glance I don't get ||why Ainamuuren told his people's story to a prophet if part of that story is that they lost all their memories. And like... This is another example of magical memory loss with no strict connection to the other two examples of magical/paranormal memory loss. It feel like someone cut apart and put together some parts of the adventure. Why do gods and other beings just love taking people's memory away for various reasons? I'll definitely tinker with it a bit.||
Having to tinker with it annoys me quite a bit, given how I run prewritten stories to get out of having to write my own stuff. :P
frank crystal
What are the high level items that raise stats?
barren cipher
apex items?
frank crystal
Them yah
frank crystal
How do you know how many charges a staff has?
sinful gyro
During your daily preparations, you can prepare a staff to add charges to it for free. When you do so, that staff gains a number of charges equal to the level of your highest-level spell slot. You don't need to expend any spells to add charges in this way. No one can prepare more than one staff per day, nor can a staff be prepared by more than one person per day. If the charges aren't used within 24 hours, they're lost, and preparing the staff anew removes any charges previously stored in it. You can prepare a staff only if you have at least one of the staff's spells on your spell list.
solar tendon
if you are prepared you can lose a top level spell to add that many charges to it
frank crystal
```During your daily preparations, you can prepare a staff to add charges to it ...
Ah thanks
frank crystal
Is there any items to cast spells while not having the spells on their list?
barren cipher
spellhearts spring directly to mind
frank crystal
spellhearts spring directly to mind
Oh thanks
solar storm
Troops have rules for effects that target 4 or more creatures. My question is, c...
Weird to target with a troop I think
There’s several “up to 4” spells as well
Unbreaking Wave Containment and Mirecloak
eager mountain
A thing I find odd in Gatewalkers: ||Osoyo is connected to the gates, hates cert...
wait the curse also does that ?
turbid dagger
Our team's finally set out on the road to the Stolen Lands in our Kingmaker game
Which has led us to our newest party member, Spice the Donkey
He's carrying our water in a cart, since waterskins only carry a days worth of water
With all the overland travel in kingmaker I suspect he'll have a long and colorful career ahead of him
eager mountain
nice
true delta
wait the curse also does that ?
It's easy to miss but yeah
light gyro
question regarding the staff creation rules in secrets of magic; do all the spells have to be provided by the same caster? i'd guess yes, but the fact that someone else can do the actual crafting makes me curious
solar tendon
I don't think so?
can't find the rules on supplying spells
but the idea is that a non spellcaster can craft items by hiring a spellcaster to essentially provide the spell as a form of raw material
and I don't SoM staves would work any different from any other magic item that requires multiple spells
turbid dagger
Today in Three Horn Rock:
The Hunting Part finds Them
(Some pugwampis earlier talked in undercommon about 'the nightmare killing them' when they sent them to this area to try and trick them, unaware that the party knew undercommon)
As for whats actually going on here, (players don't read if you are here): They're looking for a fellow tribesman, Yngvar, and snuck into this grove after the pugwampis talked amongst themselves about him having died there. And in the grove there's ||an Elite Esipil Sakhil that has enthralled a pack of Compsognathuses and tortures anything that enters the grove to death with them||
clever cobalt
Jagganoth is a Fighter/Exemplar dual class
frozen hatch
Idk why it took me this long to notice this humorous bit of mechanical conflict. Did you know that even though the siege gunner and musket master archetypes stack, that gunslinger wouldn't actually be able to use any siege weapons?
frank crystal
Hey the coldstar pistols still have reload 1 right?
frank crystal
Ohhhh
rustic cape
What are people's picks for Free Archetype with an Animist? Something like Druid might be alright for getting some more spell versatility, I think, but I'm wondering what else stands out.
thorny berry
yeah their actions are pretty well spoken for
so it's basically either More Spells or stuff that gives you more passive bonuses- armor prof from champion, skill stuff from rogue, maybe a stray focus point somewhere
could get spicy with a weapon focused archetype if you're going hard on one of the fight-y spirits
barren cipher
blessed one is pretty great
thorny berry
I forget, is animist wis? Medic's another very 'it just works' pick
barren cipher
low action cost, full counteract stat modifier, free focus points etc.
yeah it's wisdom, medic is a bit sparse on feats though so you have to look somewhere else as you go along
turbid dagger
IIRC Animist wants to Sustain a lot too so you'll have to pick between doing a combat medicine, sustaining a spell, or casting a new one
As their 'sustain cheat' is a bespoke action rather than the usual free one
thorny berry
I forget, is animist wis? Medic's another very 'it just works' pick
also I have brain worms so now you all get to have this
clever cobalt
I can see some theoretical use but in play it seems kinda hard to justify
thorny berry
nothing saying it can't heighten beyond the level you can actually cast
warped orbit
nothing saying it can't heighten beyond the level you can actually cast
I mean yeah I assumed, but still seems a little eh
clever cobalt
action economy and whatnot may not justify its use in an actual fight
thorny berry
seems decent to me
warped orbit
in practice this basically increases your 2a Heal by 12-ish HP
which isn't terrible
solar tendon
3a single heal is a niche yeah
you could also cast it on a buddy
all cleric party
thorny berry
or just More Damage on any offensive spell
warped orbit
not quite sure why the damage clause is even in there tbh
because it can only target willing creatures
solar tendon
the target is the caster
solar tendon
not the recepient
barren cipher
and then they do the damage
warped orbit
it's healing or damage
which yeah now that I'm not blind, does actually have potential
solar tendon
pass it to a friend I think
barren cipher
it's firmly in the 'third action' category i think
warped orbit
if you have other casters in the party to slap on
solar tendon
to use a meaty 3 action aoe
warped orbit
wonder how this interacts with the 2 round spells
solar tendon
think the first round is the Cast a Spell activity
thorny berry
pass it to a friend I think
me helping the besties cast horizon thunder sphere
warped orbit
only if say "take my energy" 😛
barren cipher
yeah, that was the Good Bundle
surreal basin
What if I told y’all I have a little bit of insider info to confirm on Monster Core
:3
solar tendon
:3
surreal basin
Can confirm that golem antimagic is gone
They just have resistance to spell damage now
barren cipher
i wonder if they retain vulnerabilities, bonuses for taking specific damage types and such
surreal basin
Oh yeah certain damage types bypass the spell resist
barren cipher
i think some of those interactions can be fun
characterful, good reward for recall knowledge etc.
surreal basin
Anyway, I dare not say mooooooore
warped orbit
They just have resistance to spell damage now
makes sense
IIRC the one golem-like enemy in Rage already worked that way
surreal basin
surreal basin
Hell yeah
clever cobalt
You may ask yourself, why do I play a Lizardfolk Barbarian? Is it because I like lizards? Because Lizardfolk make great barbarians? Because I like lizard tits?
The answer is all of the above
craggy thunder
lmao
surreal basin
https://youtu.be/ee6uZby2eH4?si=B7egz6jjTHBkiBV3
that's sick
turbid dagger
I just got both those bundles for christmas 
sinful gyro
Nice
surreal basin
Do y’all think it’s even possible to do a 2e game with only two players, even if I give them an NPC companion
turbid dagger
I imagine it is possible with an NPC butler but two player games make me feel odd anyhow so I'm not sure if I can comment on gamefeel
(the NPC butler is a forensic investigator medic with all the skills they don't have)
craggy thunder
(the NPC butler is a forensic investigator medic with all the skills they don't ...
barren cipher
dual class and fully independent animal companions
frozen hatch
Anyone ever consider doing a campaign inspired by Frostpunk? Essentially a campaign where the kingdom building rules and weather rules are heavily used due to the party being put in charge of an expedition into a frigid region and has to not only keep their people alive against the dangers lurking in the region's eternal winter but also expand their settlement to bring more of civilization to the area.
clever cobalt
Is the Flickmace still good at all?
warped orbit
yes
light gyro
one-handed reach sweep flail babey!!!!
warped orbit
one handed reach flail with at least still decent damage die, yeah
clever cobalt
Do you think a Meteor Hammer is better overall?
warped orbit
depends on if you want to be 1h or 2h
but if you're not dual wielding or using a shield, I'd generally say yes
I played a meteor hammer Fighter for a while, and it worked quite well
silver geyser
Both have their uses
light gyro
Oh they added a save for flail crit in remaster?
barren cipher
that's what i hear
craggy thunder
swords remain king
warped orbit
Reflex for flails fortitude for hammers iirc?
yep
it's still good, but much weaker now
light gyro
The lord giveth (removing auto-grab from monsters) and he taketh (flail nerf)
warped orbit
the Grab change is not purely good tbh
especially against higher level monsters, you have a decent chance to get crit Grabbed now
upbeat ridge
frank crystal
I’m very confused
turbid dagger
I’m very confused
The Rules Lawyer, notable PF2e youtuber, recently released a video detailing his history in political activism
In it, he told a story about a protest he went too at his college which was brutally broken up by the police, and how a copy of Pf1e's core rulebook, which he had inside of his backpack (which he was wearing backwards to protect himself) absorbed a very heavy blow to the chest from a police baton that otherwise might have badly injured him
turbid dagger
Yeah! The Rules Lawyer is a certified Cool Dude
clever cobalt
Doesn't surprise me
One night he was GMing for us, he was at a protest
Or he was doing pro Bono woke for protestors? I forget
frank crystal
wait hes been your GM?
clever cobalt
Yeah
clever cobalt
I've played uh
frank crystal
didnt know he had that much of a history of activism before
turbid dagger
He's been keeping it on the downlow
That story came from a video entirely dedicated to de-downlowing it!
frank crystal
Edgewatch, Kingmaker, Abomination Vaults, and Alkenstar with him
goddamn thats a lot
clever cobalt
I am one of his more consistent players
I didn't do this block but I intend to do the next
As an Exemplar
solar tendon
are those the games he puts on youtube
solar tendon
my dad
clever cobalt
A Dragon :v
solar tendon
watches those all the time haha
solar tendon
altho I think they finished them all cause they're watching something else now
sinful gyro
Or he was doing pro Bono woke for protestors? I forget
He does pro bono legal work for protesters as well as doing it himself
This won't happen, but imagine this as an item in pf2e
A buckler that does extra protection against bludgeoning
And it's just a big book
turbid dagger
Magus can use books as shields right now
He does seem like a magus guy to me tbh
frank crystal
Hey what would y’all say is a good way to stat out a chainsaw in this game?
sinful gyro
Something like this maybe?
I know it's not like, got a motor or anything
But still
Then again, the traits don't really work for it
frank crystal
Yah twin especially
turbid dagger
This actually is a chainsaw but its a lil weird
Something with a Serrating rune is a good place to start otherwise
frank crystal
https://2e.aonprd.com/Weapons.aspx?ID=227
thats kinda sick tbh
thorny berry
...wait, is that an error or something
the clockwork property says it's supposed to have a windup and run time in the item but it just doesn't?
could also be on aonprds end I guess
wait nevermind
it's specifically creatures and vehicles that need that
so I guess it just... does nothing as a trait there? Rules as writtren I guess it's vulnerable to disable a device checks but also rules as written they wouldn't do anything on success
frank crystal
I mean there’s traits that are essentially just flavor all time
thorny berry
true
turbid dagger
Yeah assumedly its just clockwork because it is clockwork
If it didn't have that people would be going 'huh why does it not have clockwork'
frank crystal
wait sword scion just, lets you use an aldori dueling sword as a martial weapon?
goddamn
warped orbit
yeah
clever cobalt
wait sword scion just, lets you use an aldori dueling sword as a martial weapon?
You need to be at least trained in the Dueling Sword to get the archetype though
Thought nothings stopping you from using an advanced weapon as an Ikon, no. It follows normal proficiency rules
frank crystal
You need to be at least trained in the Dueling Sword to get the archetype though
Ahhhh
That’s the catch
frank crystal
Thought nothings stopping you from using an advanced weapon as an Ikon, no. It f...
Also this is weird then
The aldori dueling sword didn’t appear when I was choosing a weapon ikon on foundry
Guess it could just be a mistake on the module though
clever cobalt
It may just be called the Dueling Sword?
frank crystal
Maybe?
frank crystal
It is not
clever cobalt
Mhm
frank crystal
When I type in dueling all I get is the spear
clever cobalt
Could also just limit the choices to weapons your proficient with
As to avoid clogging it with weapons you can't use
frank crystal
Probably yah
clever cobalt
That’s the catch
But yeah imo is severly limits the archetype beyond like, choosing it as flavor
Since if you have training in it you're likely already "good" with it without the archetype
frank crystal
Yah probably
I mean, I planned to use the elven curved blade anyway
I only saw sword scion as an option because I literally typed in backgrounds “sword” lol
turbid dagger
So of these, does anyone have any favorable reviews? Sorting through my Christmas Books now and if I want to run a PF2e thing it should probably be something shorter before an AP
Also: Abomination Vaults is one file??
silver geyser
Crown of the Kobold King is pretty fun from what I've heard.
But that's based off my 1e knowledge.
trail nova
IIRC The Slithering has... questionable pre-gens for an ooze heavy game.
turbid dagger
IIRC The Slithering has... questionable pre-gens for an ooze heavy game.
Rogue, Swashbuckler, Precision Ranger, Psychic?
Pre gens basically don't exist in my mind anyway tho so its fine
trail nova
Rogue, Swashbuckler, Precision Ranger, Psychic?
I think it's more a lack of Bludgeoning options.
surreal basin
does GM core have npcs in it?
turbid dagger
does GM core have npcs in it?
It does not, giving the table of contents a glance
eager mountain
Also: Abomination Vaults is one file??
they released a big all in 1 book
sinful gyro
Trouble in Otari is like a very classic first time adventure
I've heard plaguestone is good
frank crystal
Is there a spell that like, makes a laser from the sky?
turbid dagger
There are a few spells that create a pillar that effects a standard blast area then extends up into the sky a ways
One of the Infernal Bloodline spells comes to mind
light gyro
Moon beam is a classic, idk if they renamed it
Oh, it's not a pillar in the this edition
trail nova
One of the divine blast spells does it.
ashen knot
Familiar guide that an acquaintance in another server has been working on, thought it might be appreciated here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/107_A6a9VmBwPVgIihj7I3gvOToGYzaSB7jh5gNFzLlw/edit?usp=sharing
surreal basin
I am bringing back the zombified version of an altered sea serpent the party killed a few levels ago for a potential random encounter
and gave it this
for yalls consideration
solar storm
oh thats fun
surreal basin
*in it's
true delta
You mean "in its"?
surreal basin
it also has a rotting aura and can puke up it's own rotting guts as a breath weapon
and bah, apostrophe
true delta
It's an odd peculiarity about English.
eager mountain
I've heard plaguestone is good
yeah I started with a few levels in plaguestone, but never finished it
if i had to guess after the remaster it just does spirit damage
frank crystal
One of the divine blast spells does it.
Which one?
trail nova
Flame Strike
frank crystal
Oh
frank crystal
If you archetype into a spellcasters while you’re using a spellcaster class, will the archetype use the other class’s stat for its spell DC?
thorny berry
iirc, yes
so even post-remaster there's probably more witch-wizards than wizard-clerics or whatever
fast hill
Anyone ever consider doing a campaign inspired by Frostpunk? Essentially a campa...
That sounds so cool
craggy thunder
Today in Pathfinder
My character gives up a hand-carved childhood squirrel figurine made by her mother to save the town in a bargain with a hag
She wanted to be rid of the reminder
frank crystal
Ok so for my game I’m gonna have like
Arc title cards at the start of every new arc
And for the first one it’s gonna be
Part 1: The Siegrath Incident Arc
surreal basin
Do y’all think there’s a possible good/interesting way to do like
A guy who partied and dodges a bunch of shit but his actual health is fragile
As an enemy
Without just resorting to high ac
craggy thunder
And for the first one it’s gonna be
Part 1: The Siegrath Incident Arc
Ours is the Pact of Leadership Arc
frank crystal
Sick
craggy thunder
I'm
honestly mixed
Cuz the campaign's premise has radically changed
To something I, in all honesty, didn't reeeeeeaaally sign up for?
craggy thunder
And I feel like I can't rly justify my character staying around
She wants revenge on a man
Not to start leading a town
Like it's not a bad premise
Just
frank crystal
Ohhhh
craggy thunder
Not one I feel like my character can really fit?
rustic cape
A guy who partied and dodges a bunch of shit but his actual health is fragile
As...
Could use mirror image-style mechanics
frank crystal
I mean will you eventually get the chance to get revenge on that dude?
craggy thunder
He's in the pseudo-infinite library the town is built atop
rustic cape
I love mirror image because it allows players to make tangible progress even when they miss
craggy thunder
But like
Her solution for that is
Wait at the entrance to stab him
Night and day
Or follow him
craggy thunder
I've told my gm I just don't think my character is gonna work
At least not in a way that'll be fun for me to play for now
thorny berry
like the arc I could see is the sort of classic 'damn... what life is there in revenge...' kinda growing attachment to the town
buuuut if you were really in it for the 'fuck that dude, hell yeah he's gonna die' style revenge arc yeah that's rough
^or the above
thorny berry
unrelated, found this to be a pretty interesting reddit post from a paizo employee
turbid dagger
It is kind of like trying to get Fortnite Kyle to play like
Undertale, or something
unborn rain
Mirror image is good
Little late but you could straight up give them concealment or something
solar storm
It *is* kind of like trying to get Fortnite Kyle to play like
Undertale, or some...
That feels different to me
Not a lot of Gamers who just play one game ime
thorny berry
there's at least a bit of a divide between the, like
CoD/FIFA/GTA players and who you traditionally think of as 'gamers'
barren cipher
gamers are pretty heavily siloed yeah
sinful gyro
Gamers are more likely to play multiple games because they've already done the up front cost of a console/pc
There's exceptions of course
And this ignores mobile games which are half the market
surreal basin
I think that this works for the brand strategy of approaching dnd guys tho
The amount of money you’d have to spend on advertising to reach them just wouldn’t be worth it
They’re too entrenched
craggy thunder
I'm struggling to figure out a replacement character lol
fast hill
Almost all the people I play with got into dnd 5e before they knew other ttrpgs even existed
I know I did
sinful gyro
That's probably true yeah
I think it's saying more you either just play dnd or you play multiple things
But those things don't exclude dnd
You rarely get someone who is just pathfinder who never did dnd or other games
light gyro
d&d somehow managed to become a Lifestyle Thing the way every live service video game has been dreaming of
craggy thunder
So I just had a fucking hilarious idea
Gunslinger/Cleric of Falayna
That is literally just Elphelt
turbid dagger
She's a metal singer not a bride now but I vibe
craggy thunder
I mean
As all the Nagophelt art indicates
There is a significant audience in the why not both crowd
frank crystal
She's a metal singer not a bride now but I vibe
She’s kinda both now tbh
She’s a metal singer but she’s still looking for a partner
Her taunt involves her pulling out either a poster or marriage certificate for the opponent to sign
frank crystal
As all the Nagophelt art indicates
Also speaking of,
Fighter/barb vampire kinda makes Nago too
Probably spirit bard with how he’s undead
Grab human unusual weaponry for an nodachi (I know it’s technically common but that’s bullshit so I’m saying it still counts)
Flavor blood rage as well… rage
Also just grab a katana for a backup weapon
craggy thunder
I've also found another falayna cleric concept
frank crystal
What?
craggy thunder
What?
A kitsune plural system where the two forms are two different people and are a married couple
craggy thunder
She's a god of marriage
which hopefully contains such
I am a bit sad that like
Like this is her design
Like why
Whywhywhy
frank crystal
Ohhhhh
frank crystal
https://pathfinderwiki.com/w/images/4/47/Falayna.jpg
The metal skirt
turbid dagger
Other than the exposed leg I like it
Armored dress
craggy thunder
I mean
You can do armored dress well
I would argue you should put all the cloth beneath the armor
But what do I know about chafing
rustic cape
It’s just kind of a weird outfit
craggy thunder
This is the one time I will compliment FATE
turbid dagger
Look, its layers
Overcoat, plate, padding underneath
Its fiiiine
craggy thunder
They made an armored dress work
And also didn't expose her legs for no fucking... walks off grumbling
Sorry her design is just such a letdown to me
Cuz she's clearly based on Freya
And cool Freya, even cool Freya who is about love, is possible
We have cool Freya
Who is still fundamentally about love and I will fight you
frank crystal
It could be argued she loved someone even maybe to much
craggy thunder
YES
frank crystal
Like, wanting to protect them a bit to much kinda love
craggy thunder
Sorry, that's too harsh
craggy thunder
That is 2e art
clever cobalt
Rub a dub dub
craggy thunder
I'd fuckin take it
warped orbit
I think it's fine mostly
craggy thunder
Cuz Elphelt dresses herself
warped orbit
especially as a god you can just kinda look like whatever you want
craggy thunder
Like I said I am not against armored dresses
I love armored dresses
But this one is just
The armor Bugs Bunny wears in the cartoon where he pretends to be the fat lady in an opera
minus the horn helmet
I think it's mainly the way the armored skirt billows out way too wide
Like it just looks impractical and thus dumb
If that wasn't there I'd probably only complain about the legs
And beyond that just be like 'oh yeah cool design'
The upper half has grown on me over the course of this conversation is basically what I'm saying lmao
frank crystal
So true
frank crystal
Honestly I feel champion more then fighter
Like besides his whole, paladin vibes
Post crusades Ky is significantly more chill and focused on helping others
craggy thunder
lightning slashes, etc etc
frank crystal
Not kineticist
frank crystal
Yah my B
craggy thunder
Millia
Rogue/Witch
Is the Witch hair finesse?
Actually hold up wait a minute
Rogue with Witch archetype for the hair sounds fucking baller
frank crystal
Wait does witch’s claw count for hair?
frank crystal
Witch's Armament or something
Ah ok
warped orbit
he's not dead anymore IIRC
frank crystal
Wait is there zombie archetype?
warped orbit
he got revived at some point
craggy thunder
Goldlewis
frank crystal
he's not dead anymore IIRC
He’s still dead he’s just in control of his body again
warped orbit
Wait is there zombie archetype?
also yes there is
frank crystal
He’s basically undead
frank crystal
I kinda see it?
frank crystal
Dragon barb/inventor
craggy thunder
Yes
frank crystal
Overload and rage is dragon instal
craggy thunder
Testament
craggy thunder
I'm feeling Magus?
frank crystal
Sorcerer/summoner?
frank crystal
Wait isn’t there a ninja archetype or am I crazy?
frank crystal
Faust feels thaum yah
craggy thunder
Axl is a Swashbuckler
silver geyser
Grapple Monk
craggy thunder
Grapple Monk/Champ
frank crystal
Mountain stance
craggy thunder
Ramlethal
Also Summoner
Leo is a Fury Barbarian
Gio is a monk?
I'd say monk
craggy thunder
mechanically she'd be a monk but narratively monk summoner, yeah
frank crystal
But it’s accurate
craggy thunder
It would be if meld eidolon didn't suck my balls
frank crystal
frank crystal
Bard/Monk
fast hill
I realised smthn about dnds marketing
frank crystal
Yah
fast hill
They literally call themselves the world's greatest roleplaying game
craggy thunder
No wait
fast hill
Thats wild as hell
craggy thunder
Ah fuck it
Jack-O
Wacked out level five billion inventor
Bridget
Toxic Human Fighter Flickmace Main
frank crystal
Damn she’s toxic?
frank crystal
He’s a gear
craggy thunder
Yes Magma
frank crystal
craggy thunder
WAIT ELPHELT IS A RUSHDOWN CHARACTER?
frank crystal
No problem
frank crystal
Always has been
craggy thunder
last are bedman and asuka
fast hill
I've been drafted to run a one-shot for my brother and his frie ds
craggy thunder
easiest first
fast hill
What do I do
frank crystal
Asuka wizard yah
craggy thunder
Bedman
warped orbit
easiest one ever 😛
craggy thunder
An Eidolon specifically?
craggy thunder
With what's her name as the Summoner?
craggy thunder
Construct Inventor
Strive Bedman
Where he is the bed
sorry for not clarifying lol
fast hill
Its not going to be for an indeterminate amount of time and we were both incredibly drunk when we decided on it
So I mean
Were? Are it was like two hours ago
frank crystal
Then yah probably construct eidolon summoner
fast hill
He's never played a ttrpg but he wants to
silver geyser
Premake some characters
craggy thunder
I have found out thylacines exist in the Stolen Lands
carmine egret
yeaaaahhh
clever cobalt
Yep
silver geyser
Yep
craggy thunder
Aye
craggy thunder
I have a fun hypothetical
Would a Dual Class Twisting Tree Magus/Cloistered Cleric with a god whose weapon is a staff have a two handed staff profile whose damage dice is 1d10
Sadly it looks like not
F
turbid dagger
Would a Dual Class Twisting Tree Magus/Cloistered Cleric with a god whose weapon...
Yeah unfortunately the two-hand trait reacts oddly with damage die boosts
surreal basin
As a GM I’d just let it stack this time personally
Two hand not stacking with like…. Inventor, is weird
craggy thunder
Asking my gm if my partner can join cuz he wants to play
frank crystal
How viable is a crossbow/firearm rogue?
barren cipher
not very good
frank crystal
Sad
barren cipher
the difference between a rogue sneak attacking with a d4 dagger and a d8 deadly fatal blessed unholy foereaper isn’t all that massive
frank crystal
What ranged rogue in general?
barren cipher
the time you spend loading is time you could be spending on getting flatfooted again or just doing more attacks
frank crystal
With either thrown or bows?
barren cipher
it’s still a struggle but you have more actions to enable sneak attack
thrown is probably where it’s at in my view, because if you are struggling/unable to get flatfooted you can always just flank and stab them
fast hill
How viable is a crossbow/firearm rogue?
I am a big fan of multiclassing into rogue as a gunslinger
Rogue feats are pretty good for a sniper
And honestly you will probably get the exact same vibes doing that as gun rogue
barren cipher
you also get +2 to hit and you aren’t totally boned if you can’t get flatfooted
fast hill
Sniper gets to hide-takecover
So you get flatfooted all the time
I personally went for an Arquebus. Its lethal, does fat damage and has stupid long range
frank crystal
I’m pretty sure the shobad long rifle is the same
Just with volley and backstabber as well
fast hill
Ic ic ic
But yea rogue-sniper is cool
Nimble dodge or whatever
The +2 AC reaction?
Great to use
You weren't doing much with that reaction anyway so
warped orbit
You weren't doing much with that reaction anyway so
Fakeout
it's super strong
get a gauntlet bow to always have a loaded weapon to use it with
craggy thunder
So I have figured out how to build a Thaum/Magus
Sparkling Targe with Raise a Tome and a Thaum with the Tome as their first implement
turbid dagger
I've had my eye on Raise A Tome Thaum for a while
The main issue I've ran into is the pain of getting 14 intelligence on a martial with a CHA KAS
craggy thunder
My solution is
Fuck Int
Esoteric Diverse Lore BAY-BEEEE
Also just
Not using save spells at all
turbid dagger
Fuck Int
Oh, is this a Dual Class game?
I assumed that you meant free archetype, which requires 14 int to take Magus dedication
craggy thunder
Oh this is for the Dual Class game I be in
I still have to get expert and master and etc in other skills
but esoteric lore is for everything but those feats
Also wanna know how they're gonna Earn Income in between adventures?
Writing books
Story books, guidebooks, ghost writing for others
How?
Esoteric Lore is still a Lore so you can Earn Income motherfuckers!
clever cobalt
Dual class is fun going balls to the walls with
craggy thunder
man I'm having trouble picking a heritage for this character
frank crystal
What’s their ancestry?
craggy thunder
They're a kitsune but I want them to be heavily associated with spirits
It feels thematic for the campaign and a niche yet unfilled
Those of us in the party who are undead are physical kinds of undead, be they skeletons or by technicality, a zombie
And they're a Thaumaturge taking all the fun spirit consultation skill feats
Honestly
Might just make them a fetchling and just have them be a plural system
without the fun kitsune specific bit of each form being a different person fronting
frank crystal
They're a kitsune but I want them to be heavily associated with spirits
Maybe changeling is the play then?
craggy thunder
Maybe changeling is the play then?
I looked at changeling but duskwalker seems more the vibe
Spirits as in like explicitly the dead
Like they have occultism Consult the Spirits, Break Curse, the whole shebang
frank crystal
Fair enough
eager mountain
https://imgur.com/HADO4Yr
you joke ,but becuase awakened animal is becoming an ancestry , you can be a goblin dog
craggy thunder
Fuck yeah
eager mountain
or a goblin snake
craggy thunder
God I wish Eldritch Scion Magus still existed
I kinda wanna homebrew it as a thing similar to Elementalist
clever cobalt
Eldritch Scion Magus?
rustic cape
PF1e magus archetype that made it charisma-based
clever cobalt
Ah, interesting
craggy thunder
Fuck it I'm gonna make it
turbid dagger
God I wish Eldritch Scion Magus still existed
Check out Magus+, a dude in a game I'm playing in is using a Cha subclass from that for his
You don't need to pick between it and another hybrid study even
craggy thunder
Not rly what I'm looking for
Wait is it Essence Mystic?
Cuz Essence Mystic does in fact replace your Hybrid Study with another feature lmao
turbid dagger
Cuz Essence Mystic does in fact replace your Hybrid Study with another feature l...
Oh huh
This dude in our game is an Essence Mystic Laughing Shadow
Maybe they've homebrewed the homebrew
turbid dagger
Man I just saw the restrictions on Coven spells and I'm now a lil sad
I assumed they were just like, extra spells added to a creatures spell list but they actually can only be used if the coven members are within 30 feet of eachother
How am I to do my 'working your way up higher and higher level hags who are all in the same coven' idea now
(I can just do it without exploiting Coven but 😔 )
barren cipher
pyramid scheme covens
because full coven spell availability tends to make parties explode
frank crystal
You’re making one?
frank crystal
Sick
craggy thunder
OKay
So what should I give an Eldritch Scion class archetype besides the tradition and spontaneous spellcasting of their sorcerer bloodline?
stoic dawn
ive had a character concept for a while but I'm not sure how to pull it off
I've got some token art with four arms. what ancestry would be good for that sort of thing?
or at least, what. an I reflavor into extra limbs?
surreal basin
so
there's an ancestry I'm making
whose whole point and like....
dramatic crux is being constructed beings, made for a specific purpose by a rigid, authoritarian society
so i have given them a controversial rule
limber comet
I mean that tracks
warped orbit
What is their boosts out of curiosity?
surreal basin
What is their boosts out of curiosity?
oh sorry, should make this a reply since it's been 40nminutes lmao
also
craggy thunder
ooo, thats fun
surreal basin
Their Ancestral Weapon selection is also weird as fuck
Shortsword, Halberds, Broadspears, Composite Shortbows
Is allowing a once a day cast of a domain spell chosen from a limited selection too good for an ancestry feat?
Probably too strong for a level 1 feat for sure, maybe level 5
once a day cast of bless?
mmmm it looks like first level feats almost always only give cantrips
craggy thunder
Additionally, when you enter Arcane Cascade while wielding a one handed melee weapon in one hand and your spellbook in the other, you may freely choose the damage type of the extra damage granted by the stance from the spells you have prepared in your spellbook.```This doesn't quite feel like enough?
rustic cape
It’s very “well I hope your enemy has a weakness to exploit”
craggy thunder
https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=2848
Yes that is partially what's inspiring me to make this
Plus liking Robin in Smash lol
solar tendon
haha fair
craggy thunder
It sucks that two spells I think would really fit for this thing's studious spells
require theivery checks
But they do provide the great theming of 'wow this magus fucks around with their available spells a looooooot'
craggy thunder
It’s very “well I hope your enemy has a weakness to exploit”
You're right, yeah
idk what to really add tho
Hey weird idea
hmm, no
no point in rly doing that
solar tendon
I think maybe you could lean in to like the thievery
lore thief vibe
which kinda helps it set apart from doing a sparkling targe raise tome build
craggy thunder
Very Hermaeus Mora coded
Also helps the studious spell in the middle of umbral extraction and graft is sea of thoughts
craggy thunder
I think maybe you could lean in to like the thievery
I was thinking the 10th level feat could have you make an Arcana check to permanently add a spell to your spell list
Either from your ancestry or one you sto-
waaaaaaiiiiiit a second
There's precedent for class options giving you skill feats, yeah?
recognize spell
And the 4th level feat lets you copy it
Magus
Source Ianthe the Kobold’s Homebrew Emporium
Prerequisites vellum panoply hybrid study, Recognize Spell
Requirements You Succeed at Recognize Spell, you are holding your spellbook.
You may immediately replace one of your prepared spells with the recognized spell if it is a spell which you can cast with your available spell slots. Its tradition becomes Arcane, even if the spell is normally inaccessible to the tradition, and Intelligence is your spellcasting ability for the spell. For the next week, you are able to scribe the spell into your spellbook as the distinct memory of casting the spell remains in your mind, with the DC increased by 5 if the spell is not Arcane.
```I think this is funYou want a link to the two hybrid studies I've made?
solar tendon
sure!
craggy thunder
The one I'm currently making is Vellum Panoply
If you have time for critique and review, the main thing I'm worried about is the 4th level feat being too niche?
craggy thunder
```Inscribed Witness - Reaction - Feat 4
Magus
Source Ianthe the Kobold’s Homebr...
On reflection I think this is too niche probably
surreal basin
haha my players have the ability to learn unspeakable truths about the universe in this coming dungeon.
also
got some semi-cool mechanics incoming
being marked as fallen makes the dungeon more hostile and deploys a wheel archon to come kick their asses
craggy thunder
This is a weird idea
but it might work
Would giving the spellbook-based hybrid study a limited choice of a domain spell work?
turbid dagger
Probably mechanically yeah
Focus spell Spellstrike is a reasonable niche
Narrative might be the bigger issue
warped orbit
There are some decent domain spells
Though most people will probably just take Fire Ray
Or the Stone one
craggy thunder
I mean that's why I said limited domain spell selection
kinda like how shadowcaster or something has a domain spell feat but only for specific domains
warped orbit
I don't even think it's a bad thing to let people pick those
craggy thunder
It feels a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle weird?
idk if blanket 'pick an initial domain spell' tonally makes sense for this magus
or a magus
domain spells, outside of grouping them thematically, are very cleric-coded
Maybe an initial wizard specialization spell?
craggy thunder
I think getting an arcane school spell of your choice is probably the good idea
craggy thunder
Okay I think I'm satisfied with my book magus
actually wait no the base feature needs more
Hmmm
I have
Idea
Additionally, when you enter Arcane Cascade while wielding a one handed melee weapon in one hand and your spellbook in the other, you may freely choose the type of the extra damage granted by the stance from the damage types of spells you have prepared in your spellbook or spells you can otherwise cast.```God Animist is so cool
solar storm
Spamming spells with the dance
Is there a reason you can't make Alchemist's Fire with this?
turbid dagger
I don't think so but why would you
turbid dagger
Oh I see it now
But hm
I assume the rematerialize is intended to just get you your flaming axe back, not save it from effects that destroy it
solar storm
Yeah that might be RAI
heavy fulcrum
yeah
its basically saying it has Returning, which obviously doesnt work on consumables
now the funny thing is that RAW you can create any (common) alchemical bomb
because theyre all martial weapons
surreal basin
I…. Would probably let someone make a rematerializing Molotov
Just cause that’s sick
light gyro
That just sounds like produce flame with extra steps
craggy thunder
well alchemist's fire has an explosive radius iirc
turbid dagger
Well I think the big thing that would make things break is that you could conjure up any bomb if this worked, including the top level ones, so long as they are common
solar storm
I would presume that the RAI way for that would be to treat them like stronger rune versions
surreal basin
Yeah that