Mega Kang
Sneasler
Incin
Dragapult
Mega golisopod
Hydrapple
Farig
Primerina
#POKÉMON CENTER
pliant violet
Thinking about palafin for the first team
Though the first team is missing some sort of speed control
manic kindle
Attempted a rooftop diner, rough draft
pliant violet
Cute
obtuse ravine
it's squeak
pliant violet
Though the first team is missing some sort of speed control
Does amonguss count as speed control
earnest nacelle
...does Amoongus run paralyzing moves?
arctic dagger
I mean it could, but it has Spore
And sleep is nuts
When spore is banned it'll usually run toxic or stun spore
sudden spade
What was the replacement for sleep in arceus? I vaguely recall frozen and sleep both got replacements.
arctic dagger
"Drowsy"
It's in Z-A too
It's basically paralysis but instead of sloiwng you down, you take extra damage from attacks
In ZA it doubles their attack cooldowns apparently
sudden spade
nods
So much like how burn tanks attack, drowsy tanks defence. Makes sense.
arctic dagger
Yeah except it works vs special attacks too
I think it was just a % multiplier on damage? Shrug Don't remember exactly.
pliant violet
...does Amoongus run paralyzing moves?
Sleep is ultimate speed control
arctic dagger
I mean, there are smogon formats where sleep is banned so
Sometimes it does run not-spore but
That's legit only because sleep is banned lmao
pliant violet
I’m just trying to decide if it’s enough as my speed control for a pretty tempo dependent team
arctic dagger
Unfortunately I have no idea for doubles
arctic dagger
Like I know doubles has people using Icy Wind because it's a spread move that reduces speed
And doubles is fast enough that moving faster than someone once is probably all you need to kill them
So sleep might just be overkill most of the time
But that's just me thinking about why it might not be
umbral hound
Speed control is basically either Tailwind or Trick Room, with Icy Wind or Electroweb as kind of... secondary speed control?
arctic dagger
Sleep is so nuts it probably is still good lmao
earnest nacelle
But sleep is the ultimate everything control.
arctic dagger
My main worry about Amoongus is that it's slow and not SUPER bulky, it might just die before it can get Spore off
In doubles
A decent chunk of the time
pliant violet
Amoongus is pretty popular in doubles, either to mess with trickroom or because if it gets a single turn it’s so high impact that you can use it as a like “oh you better hit this”
arctic dagger
Well, then it's probably at least good enough as secondary control.
umbral hound
Amoongus is quite bulky, at least against neutral or resisted hits.
arctic dagger
Well sure, but also it's doubles and it's weak to ice and fire and psychic, and expanding force/heat wave/blizzard are uh, good
But again I don't know shit
Just what my uninformed brain came up with XD
round perch
I see Amoongus and think y'all are talking about the social deduction game and not the Pokémon.
arctic dagger
The pokemon was first! XD
manic kindle
Amoongus is pretty popular in doubles, either to mess with trickroom or because ...
Also eats spore/powders cuz its evil </3
round perch
The pokemon was first! XD
It's not my fault he's forgettable!
umbral hound
Well sure, but also it's doubles and it's weak to ice and fire and psychic, and ...
They are, but there aren't tremendously many good users of each of those, and if you think the opponent's team is on psyspam you don't bring Amoongus I think.
arctic dagger
Cannibal strategies annoy me tbh
(when one of the best counters to something is itself)
round perch
I'm sorry, I know Amoongus is a trans icon.
umbral hound
...what?
round perch
Oh...
It's a bit of a long story.
But it was crucial to beating a anti-trans guy in a tournament and it became a trans icon.
umbral hound
Huh.
round perch
sudden spade
Amoongus would have been there on cable street, it's a good pokemon.
pliant violet
||Mega Kang
Sneasler
Incin
Dragapult
Palafin ?
Amoongus/Rillaboom?||
tentative list
pliant violet
They are, *but* there aren't tremendously many good *users* of each of those, an...
Expanding force and blizzard are probably gonna be pretty good in champions to start
pliant violet
But it was crucial to beating a anti-trans guy in a tournament and it became a t...
This is also why Wolfe is a known and respected ally
manic kindle
||Mega Kang
Sneasler
Incin
Dragapult
Palafin ?
Amoongus/Rillaboom?||
tentative...
My gut tells me Amoongus is better here to help enable your carries
pliant violet
That was what I was thinking, rilla is good but he’s just more of the tempo nonsense the list is doing
Already has 3 fakeout users
Major concern rn is I’m not sure how this list handles mega frosslass teams, besides incin
And dragapult I guess but physical ghost is cruel and terrible
wispy yarrow
timber vale
...Lenin?
worldly plume
that Weezing is a fairy-type?
umbral hound
yup! Poison/Fairy.
wispy yarrow
I love Galarian Weezing
very
MNYESS
SMASHING, SIR
you know both of those heads are statler and waldorfing other pokemon
pliant violet
that Weezing is a fairy-type?
Yep, and it and regular weezing have access to neutralising gas, a really unique ability that turns off all other abilities on the field
timber vale
Wolfe used it with Toedscruel
pliant violet
He did! For the only accessible fast spore user
timber vale
I forget if he also did it with regigigas
Wait is regigias a mythical or a legendary
pliant violet
Because otherwise it’s ability gives status moves negative priority
timber vale
I forget if he also did it with regigigas
Wait is regigias a mythical or a leg...
I know he did it with slaking
pliant violet
Legendary but I cannot remember if he used it with gigas
The man has used a lot of pokemon very well
And documented a lot of it in very accessible ways
wispy yarrow
I might start playing vgc with Champions
pliant violet
That’s what I’m doing
umbral hound
Regigigas is not Mythical because you can obtain it outside of limited-time giveaways.
It is also not good, even with Neutralizing Gas; I think that combo was experimented with and sometimes saw play but was generally a gimmick rather than a serious strategy?
pliant violet
I’ve been umming and ahhing about it but champions seems like it makes it a lot more accessible so I’m gonna give it the old college try
wispy yarrow
Seems like they removed the obsessive time sink
that was kinda inherent to training pokemon up
pliant violet
Yep
timber vale
It is also not good, even *with* Neutralizing Gas; I think that combo was experi...
Regigigas neutralizing gas is so aura though... 😔
pliant violet
Plus the format is looking like one I’ll enjoy
pliant violet
Regigigas neutralizing gas is so aura though... 😔
Ben ten alien looking ass
timber vale
Regigigas is my favorite PU shitmon of this gen
The only reason it's not my absolute favorite is because archeops exists
pliant violet
Plus the format is looking like one I’ll enjoy
It’s probably gonna be reg h-ish and that’s peak
wispy yarrow
I don't know what that means but I support it
sudden spade
It is also not good, even *with* Neutralizing Gas; I think that combo was experi...
Regigigas suffers from the fact that even if you do get it up and going...then what? It's still a normal type and normal types are just not good these days. What do you plan to do? Double Edge the other guy? It will hit pretty hard but not so hard it's worth devoting an entire other pokemon just to making function.
Still funny though.
pliant violet
I don't know what that means but I support it
Reg h was a format in scarlet and violet that was national dex but no legends or paradox, while normally Nat dex formats include those
wispy yarrow
I see
I'll be so real
I don't really understand pokemon like, strategy and stuff
I use the damage move
Sometimes the status move
timber vale
I wish I could tap in w/ champions but I also dunno if I can justify spending like that
pliant violet
Spending?
timber vale
Nintendo switch online, mainly
Unless I've massively misunderstood how this actually goes
pliant violet
I’m pretty sure free games on the switch do not require switch online
I know pokemon unite does not
timber vale
I’m pretty sure free games on the switch do not require switch online
They do, from my experience
But if it doesn't I'll see if my 2018 switch can run it without igniting or whatever
pliant violet
On a google it says free games should be fine without Nintendo online?
Dw I have a launch model switch, I’m gonna burn the house down
timber vale
I just distinctly remember a free Kirby game needing Nintendo switch online lol
Co-op boss fighting game
Kirby Fighters, apparently
pliant violet
Huh, maybe I’m full of shit
wispy yarrow
wait is champions going to be free?
pliant violet
Ye, or f2p
pliant violet
So you’ll be able to buy currency but also earn it but also if you’re importing pokemon from home you won’t need it anyway
pliant violet
Well juniper I do not have Nintendo online so I’ll let you know if it works without it
(If it doesn’t I’m just waiting till it launches on mobile)
jovial rampart
It might not require a NOS but it does seem like Champions has it's own subscription model on top of a battle pass.
languid lichen
arctic dagger
If I end up having to pay for champions to be worth playing I'm just gonna keep using showdown TBH
manic kindle
yeah it bills itself as "Free-to-start"
I think people have sleuthed out it seems the initial free box is just 30 mons, which you can extend with missions(unconfirmed?) and a one-time starter pack purchase; really going to depend on how many pokemon you can actually get at the rate you can accrue them + stat them / move them up
arctic dagger
Yeah I'm not super fussed by only having 30 total pokemon, as long as I can swap them out over time depending on the meta
At least when I was playing regularly in gen5-6 I really only played like, 1-2 teams with minor variations over and over
For me it'll be more about waht is available and how much it takes to get any specific pokemon
And maintain them
If it's considerable resources to swap items/EVs/natures/etc, particularly if it's not really viable outside of RNG to get a decent starting set
That's gonna be the killers for me
manic kindle
Yeah, i need to know the time investment on getting a pokemon Ready
arctic dagger
Oh, also formats will be important
Like I'm flatly just not interested in Paradox Spam: The Meta
OOooo, lookit my big stats and free offensive boost, this creates such engaging gameplay patterns when I hit my big attack and people die
manic kindle
I'm thinking the initial Mega focus will give us some nice variety
arctic dagger
Yeah, It should, hesonstly
Even when mega metas are... Relatively stale, the only one per team means that you get some decent variation tbh
manic kindle
mostly its Flutter Mane and Raging Bolt you see, usually paired with (regular) mons as best teammates; i do think if theres good mmr the lower brackets will be 6 Paradox Teams
but what is a paradox to an Amoonguss
languid lichen
doubles isn't plagued by great tusk as well like singles is?
manic kindle
nope
languid lichen
huh
manic kindle
he's not good at all in doubles
much easier to capitalize on his weaknesses in doubles in a way thats a little harder to maneuver in singles
i think a big part of it is that rapid spinning isnt as pivotal a role as it is in a lot of singles
and great tusk being The Spinner is huge for it
languid lichen
that makes sense, yeah
pliant violet
No paradox revealed in champions yet anyway
pliant violet
i think a big part of it is that rapid spinning isnt as pivotal a role as it is ...
And this is because spikes aren’t as common, if only because taking the turn to set them is a real cost
White herb meteor beam glimmora in the distance:
Oh champions is open sheet
obtuse ravine
gotchaa
umbral hound
You can see their team of six before you pick your four always. What "open sheets" means is that you can see not only what their 6 are, but the specific moves being run and the specific stats.
obtuse ravine
ohhh i see
arctic dagger
Personally I like seen pokemon but not moves/items/abilities
umbral hound
what you are describing is closed teamsheets, which was the standard in previous generations of competitive outside of tournaments.
But open teamsheets makes sense in tournaments, because it does weird stuff involving people wanting to hide information, and tera types in particular could be devastating if concealed.
Also, stats were important, because it led to situations involving hidden speed information.
arctic dagger
Yeah, that's why that's interesting.
XD
Doubles is so much faster it's maybe less interesting though
In singles there's some interesting decision making and discovery there
In doubles I can see you just instantly losing if you guess wrong and it not being interesting to figure out how to recover
timber vale
Aiui safe(ish) and consistent scouting is way more feasible in singles
Vs doubles where you can just get your shit rocked by an incorrect guess assuming a closed team sheet, as to my understanding
arctic dagger
Yeah. Like is this a choice pokemon or not is really interesting decision making and thinking
It can still rock you, but it creates interesting decision choices
timber vale
There's also the aspect of figuring out which of the mons your opponent will actually bring
arctic dagger
Do you see what pokemon they decide to bring once you've locked yours in too?
Or is hidden until they reveal?
timber vale
Which i think adds enough to make further uncertainty frustrating rather than interesting
arctic dagger
That'd be kinda interesting if you know their full roster, you see their starter 2, but you aren't sure which of the 4 remaining are benched vs reserve
timber vale
Do you see what pokemon they decide to bring once you've locked yours in too?
From my billion hours of watching Wolfe, you don't know until they send them out
arctic dagger
Ok that at least has some aspect of discovery that's interesting still
timber vale
So you only know their opening two mons
pliant violet
Yeah, that's why that's interesting.
The problem is it gives advantage to folks who can have friends watching games or reporting what they played against
It also discourages talking about what you’re playing at the event
pliant violet
Maybe
I might have my team struggles solved by the fact it’s not actually been confirmed golisopod is in champions yet
obtuse ravine
is falinks
pliant violet
No, but also it’d have to get a very good ability as a mega to justify using it sadly
pliant violet
I’m either building mega golisopod or mega kengaskhan, or both
Because I think they’re neat and also good
Champions dropping in under 14 hours for me
manic kindle
14 hours until we suffer
Megas im aiming for include froslass, scovillain, meganium and lopunny
pliant violet
It’s not 14 hours for everyone, it’s when it hits the 8th at the earliest Timezone in your region
arctic dagger
I'd be shocked if any of the new megas aren't in
pliant violet
As would I but no confirmation is still a thing
pliant violet
Megas im aiming for include froslass, scovillain, meganium and lopunny
This man wants to play weather also lopunny
pliant violet
Does it get scrappy as an ability?
If so, and if frosslass is as good as I’m expecting, might be a nice anti-meta choice
arctic dagger
Yeah, and technically scrappy got buffed by the mega timing change
Since people can't swap a pokemon in to intimidate you
pliant violet
Depends on the scenario but I’m probably leading my intimidator
obtuse ravine
Dedicate my wins to da pnet bunny folk
let's freaking hop
pliant violet
I just think mega kang is cool also hard hitting also it’s a kangaroo
pliant violet
I’m hoping champions lets some stuff that’s never been good be good, like frosslass I guess
Fun fact, every water dragon type that exists barring mega Feraligatr has won a major tournament
manic kindle
Its his time
pliant violet
If he was slower or faster I’d believe a lot more
Also having maybe the second worst of the type of ability he has
Too slow for tailwind to guarantee value, too fast for trick room
Despite the format having a good tr setter available in farig
pliant violet
@manic kindle I think if you’re gonna build scovillain it’s good to note it gets rage powder
manic kindle
It does! Rage powder w the burn ability seemed funny
pliant violet
Seems very annoying, I approve
manic kindle
Protect, powder, overheat, giga drain seemed Functional
pliant violet
You might even want to only go one attack and go more support
trail bridge
permission to post 9 pokemon competitive images in here
pliant violet
Please do
trail bridge
I dont wanna spam the chat, but I do wanna post them
thanks!
this might take a bit
there we go
i shoulda mentioned these were memes
sorry!
i have a LOT more memes
pliant violet
It’s ok, I think chat in general is in a competitive pokemon mood
pliant violet
Chat how tanky is mega froslass?
jovial rampart
Decent special defense iirc don't think it gets a boost to it's physical bulk.
wispy yarrow
when does champions drop?
arctic dagger
I’m hoping champions lets some stuff that’s never been good be good, like frossl...
Frosslass got banned because of snow veil strategies at one point
It was mostly because people hate evasion but I'm pretty sure it was also really good
pliant violet
when does champions drop?
Midnight in the earliest part of your region
Specifically 7th-8th midnight
For me it’s like 10 hours
pliant violet
Decent special defense iirc don't think it gets a boost to it's physical bulk.
Thanks, that is what I wanted to hear and also tragically making me consider ghost physical attacks
obtuse ravine
amazing
pliant violet
Damn ghost has ass physical coverage
vague tide
don't you just love 90 accuracy 110 base power that fails in certain situations and also has like, 8 max pp
pliant violet
Is this about poltergeist or phantom force
Because dragapult doesn’t even get poltergeist
vague tide
poltergeist, i think it's the only non 100% accurate ghost move
also i thought it did?
weird, it's not that rare a move
pliant violet
Exactly! And it’s a lot better in comp since you can be confident the opponent has an item
Phantom force is a two turn move, though hitting through protect does mean it can force an opponent out
Hard hitting, just about the only way dragapult is ohko-ing mega frosslass, if it’s invested in defence
And running a mix attacker is just inefficient, even with dragapult
pliant violet
Exactly! And it’s a lot better in comp since you can be confident the opponent h...
Non-bos with knock off but like, that’s had distribution reduced in champions
languid lichen
110 bp 90 acc is also like
notably above average for phys moves
eq is the devastating gold standard
but especially in the specially-biased types, getting an eq-power phys move is rare as hell
pliant violet
Part of what makes eq good is that it’s a spread move
azure crane
EQ was good even in Gen 1 and 2.
pliant violet
is this finally the format one of the decidueyes gets to be good?
hisuian decidueye gets scrappy
snow wren
amoongus is fun
sleep stall is a fun strategy
sorry leech seed stall
didn't mean sleep
pliant violet
amoongus is really really good in vgc
I did mean sleep
spore is a core part of why it's so nasty in vgc
manic kindle
Rage powder, spore, protect, pollen puff puts in Da Work
torpid pivot
Lusamine was such a departure for pokemon villainy, gen 7 forever
blissful needle
Do not failgirl the ceo
She is not failing at being a CEO
she is failing at being an actual mother
blissful needle
I do wish they at the very least made some extra plot in gen 7 to show she is trying to ammend rather than whatever ultra sun/mon did
red rampart
I do wish they at the very least made some extra plot in gen 7 to show she is tr...
The world if USUM were sequels
blissful needle
The anime also just decided to completely rewrite her but I want to imagine that was how functionally would have acted if she didnt get sucked by nihilego
sullen mesa
they were cowards for changing her from sun/moon
torpid pivot
The child abuse might have been a little tough for the adorable vibe of that season
fickle thicket
The world if USUM were sequels
man it's just wild to me how USUM are just so clearly the better games EXCEPT ☝️ if you've played SM already
snow cobalt
fickle thicket
one of these days I'd like to do a mono ghost ultra sun run
except I don't know which game my box full of buzzwole is in and if it's in US I can't reset it
manic kindle
thats why we have cool emulators
fickle thicket
alas, my papà bade me to play only on stupid lame emulators, lest it go to my tender head
pliant violet
I did not get to play champions last night, stupid work, will be firing it up when I get home
pliant violet
I’m halfway through basically
wispy yarrow
Can confirm, downloading it now
pliant violet
Lemme know how it is
wispy yarrow
won my first ranked battle
galarian slowbro, quickdraw mvp
Got 300VP for my win
It cost me around 1000-1500 to get a Pokemon fresh out of my pokemon Home box to maxed out in Champions
So you get it pretty readily just by playing
Serebii already has the ranked rulesset at the ready
Held Items range from 400 to 1000VP
Mega Stones cost 2000
You get 10000 to start and can get another 10000 through the training section
So they're pretty generous at the start, but you'll probably want to build it up often
manic kindle
These first few ranked matches def feel like taking candy from a baby
With the starter pack, this is what ive cobbled together
timber vale
Can't wait to start...
wispy yarrow
I like how quickly they let you get into the battles
Like, after you do tutorials you can just
fuckin slam it
battle > ranked > matchmaking done
manic kindle
And the tutorials are quick and give good loot
pliant violet
With the starter pack, this is what ive cobbled together
Are these your permanents? Also some monsters here
manic kindle
Are these your permanents? Also some monsters here
Yeah, i got the starter kit which gives lots of perm tickets. Not perfected the movepools yet
wispy yarrow
I do kind of wish that you could see actual numbers for HP instead of percentages
Or that that was like, a setting
pliant violet
Ah I’m gonna be getting the starter kit also, since it’s like 10 bucks
trail bridge
Oh.
Mega golurk has unseen fist
THAT can't be right
Do mind I'm checking bulbapedia for this
timber vale
Mega golurk has unseen fist
...I mean... ...fitting? Sort of? Maybe?
But also fuuuuuuuck
wispy yarrow
alright I'm enjoying this a lot
trail bridge
🤔
Oh holy shit serebii DOES say megalurk HAS unseen fist
Jesus christ
Buh
Mega scovillain has a flame body like ability
But it applies regardless of contact moves
mellow robin
adaptability mega glim is. interesting
mellow robin
oooh, no guard mega hawlucha
arctic dagger
Anything super interesting on No Guard Mega Hawlucha?
mellow robin
....high jump kick?
arctic dagger
They don't get Dizzy Punch I think? So like, Stone Edge, Rock Slide, High Jump Kick, Dual Wingbeat?
mellow robin
it doesn't get dynamic punch, dang
trail bridge
Darn
arctic dagger
So mostly nice for the rock coverage I think
arctic dagger
Oh, good.
manic kindle
Mega Scov is actually really nice
arctic dagger
I hope that ends up carrying forward to Urshifu too
manic kindle
Rage Powder burner
arctic dagger
Yeah, just a different name I guess
Instead of it being nerfed Unseen Fist, since Unseen Fist is also nerfed
wispy yarrow
god
the amount of times I've won a fight thanks to quick draw so far
incredible
thank you slowbro
manic kindle
SlowBeast
pliant violet
What’d golisopod get
arctic dagger
Did we get a consolidated full list of the pokemon in the game yet?
wispy yarrow
Based on the achievements list I'm looking at in the game rn
Everything currently available in the ranked mode SEEMS to be all that's in the game?
Could be wrong
trail bridge
🤔
wispy yarrow
But those + megas + alternate forms
so that serebii list I posted should be accurate unless I'm missing something
trail bridge
Hmm...
mellow robin
MEGA VICTRIBELL HAS ***INNARDS OUT?***
tragically hilarious if true
with its checks
base 80 HP
manic kindle
Im more concerned about the huge lack in items
Lots of staple items are not in da store :?
trail bridge
😔 no boots
pliant violet
Boots aren’t a big deal in doubles so much
wispy yarrow
god this does feel snappy
arctic dagger
Para is apparently only 1/8 chance, and sleep only ever lasts 1-2 turns I'm hearing?
wispy yarrow
Haven't run into it enough to confirm
wispy yarrow
I do dislike that it's a little gacha-y with the pulls and recruitments, but I think it's okay since you can port them from home
pliant violet
I’m not going to, but also I think from what I’ve seen it’s not unkind, compared to gacha
wispy yarrow
feels like every team I'm facing has an Armarouge
wispy yarrow
Galarian Slowbro is continuing to clutch it out for me
pliant violet
they took power up punch off kangaskhan
languid lichen
oof
mega chandy still has infiltrator...
and hawlucha gets no guard
which is also pretty rough, since it doesn't have anything to abuse with it
except hjk and stone edge
wispy yarrow
how does hi jump kick get abused with no guard?
pliant violet
guaranteed to hit
wispy yarrow
? AFAIK it only means that your opponent's moves can't miss?
languid lichen
no
sudden spade
Nah, both directions
languid lichen
no guard is an ability that says Moves can't miss.
sudden spade
You and your opponent both ignore accuracy
pliant violet
no guard means no move can miss
pliant violet
it cannot go on a pokemon that get a ohko move
languid lichen
this has been the centerpiece of machamp and golurk's playstyle, such as it is, since it came out
sudden spade
And since High Jump Kick is a move famous for 'high power, horrible effect if you miss'...
languid lichen
with dynamic punch
unfortunately, hawlucha doesn't get dynamic punch
or anything else especially good to abuse
Stalwart on skarmory is also pretty devastatingly bad
skarmory doesn't like
sudden spade
brb, giving Making Mega Hypno with No Guard to try and take away it's title of 'One of the worst fully evolved psychic pokemon ever'.
languid lichen
have much that it's worried about being redirected
sudden spade
Mega Skarmory really feels like it wanted a good defensive trait. God, Heatproof would have been nice and that's a 'good but not insane' defensive ability.
(Heatproof Skarmory with Roost would be very funny)
languid lichen
mega skarmory wanted a better offensive ability
it gained 60 attack, 40 speed, and lost 30 defense
timber vale
They really went and said "what if we kept some of these megas genuinely dogwater"
pliant violet
this has always been true
TR teams in bo1 ladder style matches are really hard to deal with
trail bridge
pliant violet
amoongus
trail bridge
amoongus
manic kindle
some initial thoughts after a few hours of play
- the pokemon pool is neat; i do wish all the ZA Megas were in rn, but i think the current spread of pokemon allows for teambuilding creativity without seeing The Same 6 Guys
- i am coming around a little bit on the item shortages; i think making better use of the type berries is nice, but i really miss the damage boosting items a lot; feels like its trying to make you build around the damage dealing megas specifically
- i hope that switch2 graphic patch happens soon the game isnt ugly but id like it to look Nicer
- huge pro for me: everything Fast. you get into battles fast, you get out fast, you can just immediately stay in queue, if you dc you have time to reconnect without autoloss, etc
- do not like that, at least at very early ranks, theres the pokemon unite style Bot Opponents. i do not want to play vs bots i am playing this to beat up humans
pliant violet
my team of pivots is so annoying to play into
pliant violet
languid lichen
i haven't actually been following it a ton, is champions a switch game or mobile?
pliant violet
switch rn, coming to mobile sometime this year
timber vale
Nintendo switch online needed or no
pliant violet
no
timber vale
Excellent
manic kindle
happy to report mega meganium is fun
and full power Weather Ball Fire in Rain is silly
languid lichen
what're you running on yours?
are you using heal pulse or synthesis? or just like, three attacks and protect
manic kindle
solarbeam, weather ball, dazzling gleam (was testing earth power, still need to test), protect
Modest with an hp/spatk/speed spread to go with my tailwind setters
torpid pivot
Do they have Nature Changing Guy in the new gen or do you still kind of rotate babies until one fits
manic kindle
There's nature changing stuff, yeah
good ole Mints
for Champions, its just a button click in the UI
i think it takes me maybe 30 seconds to fully stat and finish a pokemon, moves and all
soft isleBOT
how's the grind to get things changed?
manic kindle
I bought the starter kit so im not sure if the 20,000 currency comes with that or you get it via the start, but the tutorials give you a huge lump sum of stuff, and then i think if you change Everything about a pokemon its about 2000vp, and each win in a battle gave me ~300-500
timber vale
Iirc you start with 10k and the tutorial gives another 10k from what I've heard
glossy umbra
Looking through the mega abilities finally, and gosh Victreebel got shafted huh with Innards Out.
languid lichen
got shafted so hard
glossy umbra
Chimecho is the other one I was expecting to have an interesting ability due to how weak the base Pokémon is, but it got levitate instead.
Which levitate is a very good ability, just not really something you make a core part of your team (aside from I suppose that Haunter team from Sun and Moon).
languid lichen
- steel and the statline it got is basically everything it could've asked for, at least
but like
it just turned it into bronzong
it's just bronzong with Recover and no item
which is tragic
manic kindle
Innards Out is so funny for flavor and i do love that, but my boy is slightly too bulky for that silly ability
languid lichen
if victreebel had like 40 of its base bulk in hp instead of defenses it might be sauce
manic kindle
Funny enough Scovillain pulls it off better
languid lichen
(and the mega stats compensated)
it would be a suicide lead death button
but no it's just ass
glossy umbra
it's just bronzong with Recover and no item
It does have slightly better bulk, is in that somewhat awkward speed tier of 65, and has an actual decent special attack stat at 130.
But yeah, would want a bit more from a mega than a slightly better bronzong
manic kindle
Chimeco mega levitate is ok but mega delphox getting levitate opens up nice doubles sauce
glossy umbra
Mega Starmie having huge power and 120 speed is going to get funky.
languid lichen
levitate delphox is surprisingly interesting yeah
languid lichen
Mega Starmie having huge power and 120 speed is going to get funky.
no sd right?
so it's kinda a faster, weaker medicham
glossy umbra
no sd right?
What's sd now again? Blanking on that.
glossy umbra
Oh yeah, nope
versed sand
Anyone got to try out Champions yet?
languid lichen
oh it gets bulk up
not as good, but interesting
no wave crash, and bup isn't stellar with its poor bulk and role, but
threatens another option
glossy umbra
It also technically has a 130 special attack, so more flex than medicham, though it's relatively rare to see pokémon use both physical and special for a reason.
languid lichen
it is useful
lets you thunder enemy waters
I'm thinking default sets are probably gonna be something like
glossy umbra
Mm, would need to check some breakpoints against threats, but 130 is where it should be high enough even with minimal investment.
glossy umbra
Should be solid.
languid lichen
probably some combination of zhb, triple axel, thunder, and dgleam
glossy umbra
I'm somewhat, but not too, surprised that Mega Greninja didn't get old protean. But that's probably for the best.
Probably ;p.
languid lichen
probably
glossy umbra
Main reason I thought it might is because it's one of the starters they've pushed the most historically.
languid lichen
i wish chesnaught had gotten something other than bproof again
but it is a good statline, at least
fucking 88/172
with 137 atk
meanest body press this side of zamazenta
glossy umbra
i wish chesnaught had gotten something other than bproof again
Yeah, was expecting something along the lines of Iron Barbs.
Since, y'know, spiky
arctic dagger
Bulletproof is still pretty good
languid lichen
than on the spikes
i just wish they'd thrown it something wacky
dauntless shield time lmao
glossy umbra
Fuck it, stance change
languid lichen
LOL
glossy umbra
It's flavourful or something
arctic dagger
Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball/Weather Ball/Pyro Ball all nice things to be invuln to tbh
manic kindle
Anyone got to try out Champions yet?
Played 5 hours last night
glossy umbra
Also, Mega Floette having fairy aura and a base 155 special attack is mean.
languid lichen
they are, even if sludge wave makes me sad
manic kindle
Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball/Weather Ball/Pyro Ball all nice things to be invuln to t...
Can confirm, switching into my meganium weather ball is painful
languid lichen
Also, Mega Floette having fairy aura and a base 155 special attack is mean.
yeah, i love it
TECH THIS OVERHEAD "252+ fairy aura light of ruin" is a pretty good answer to things existing in your presence
glossy umbra
yeah, i love it
Turns out Floette was the ancient weapon all along.
versed sand
Wasn't sure if I wanted to go all in putting money on Champs. I still haven't beat ScarVi and I don't even have Z-A.
arctic dagger
It's free so
versed sand
I meant the premium pass + sub lol
languid lichen
floette has the superweapon juice
glossy umbra
TECH THIS OVERHEAD "252+ fairy aura light of ruin" is a pretty good answer to th...
It looks so silly
manic kindle
So for the pass, just complete it first then see if you want to buy it
Its retroactive
glossy umbra
Just a meme of an attack
manic kindle
I dont think any of it is necessary
The 6.99 or w/e for your region starter pack felt fair and nice
glossy umbra
i mean it kind of *was*
Yveltal doesn't even get to have that going for them 😔
languid lichen
glossy umbra
Younger me was right about this being the coolest legendary since Gen IV.
languid lichen
we need another ZA dlc with mega xerneas and yveltal lmao
mega yveltal (+100 spatk, triage, no other changes)
arctic dagger
Oh god please not more mega legendaries lmao
languid lichen
statements spoken by the utterly deranged
glossy umbra
Mega Xerneas would probably be weirdly fine due to not being able to hold the herb.
languid lichen
yh
glossy umbra
What's better, 100 stats or doubling your stats 🤔
languid lichen
+bulk and regen would be interesting, albeit utterly broken
bc it would be a massive role change
without being just worse
versed sand
When it comes to legendaries, it's hard to beat Perfection
Adorable, sweet wish granting bean
languid lichen
I'm sorry, the image of giratina you posted seems to have loaded incorrectly
glossy umbra
When it comes to legendaries, it's hard to beat Perfection
Ah yes, sweet....
glossy umbra
I'm sure that if they could they'd give Jirachi Rock Slide or some shit.
glossy umbra
I'm sorry, the image of giratina you posted seems to have loaded incorrectly
Origin Giratina is such a look, though I'll always have a soft spot for Lugia purely due to nostalgia and a solid colour scheme
glossy umbra
The mythics though have some consistently solid designs; Celebi, Deoxys, Darkrai (the aura farmer), Shaymin, Arceus, Mega Magearna, and Meltan.
glossy umbra
This is a Lugia that blasts Linkin Park
They were abused and you bully them like that 😔
glossy umbra
It's really neat
Meloetta is funny to me since sometimes it feels like the alternate form has been forgotten.
Speaking of legendaries and mythics, if there's one thing I wish would happen it's that they would give the ones with meh abilities (or the few who still only have pressure), and gave them something interesting instead.
Yes I just want Beast Boost Deoxys or something similar ;p.
snow wren
amoongus is really really good in vgc
mine was a huge help at clay's gym in black 2, that gym is easily one of the hardest in the franchise
snow wren
Consider: Lugia But Edgy
walulugia
languid lichen
Meloetta is funny to me since sometimes it feels like the alternate form has bee...
god, i wish pirouette was an oob change
pirouetta would be so fucking cracked
snow wren
stance character meloetta is apparently the next oming character in pokemon close combat
versed sand
I know the Pokemon community ranting about the current games happens on days that end in y, but Jesus Christ people were ready to rip Champions apart
arctic dagger
Meloetta is funny to me since sometimes it feels like the alternate form has bee...
If you could run Meloetta in her alternate form from battle start, she'd probably honestly see play.
Her base form is just SO much worse lmao
languid lichen
128 atk/speed off normal/fighting is just Pretty Good
(really good, in fact)
and she gets cc, u-turn, and quick attack, which is admittedly pretty bad but is STAB priority
arctic dagger
Yeahl. She has Serene Grace but honestly not a lot of great moves to use with it.
No body slam, no great flinch moves
20% freeze might be enough to bother using Ice Punch
Zen Headbutt is 40% flinch, which is pretty nice
languid lichen
i can say i'd ignore the ability but use the shit out of her in singles
cc + qa + koff + uturn is like
bread-and-butter shit
can also easily go triple axel over one of the non-cc moves
and/or play rough
arctic dagger
Yeah, it just annoys me when pokemon can't really use their ability.
languid lichen
love to see it
arctic dagger
That's pretty funny, yeah.
languid lichen
that's incredible
sudden spade
the Champions memes are incoming
New second most damaging move: Protect vs this asshole. XD
manic kindle
also i think the funniest thing ive lost to is
Mega Hawlucha Entrainment on Vanilluxe for No Guard Sheer Cold
languid lichen
that goes pretty hard
manic kindle
😭 and one major loss to huge power self-destruct starmie
did not even know it learned self-destro
snow cobalt
signal glen
versed sand
I believe in you, megahawlucha
pliant violet
how's everyone doing, anyone running something fun?
obtuse ravine
how do you start doing competitive battling as someone who has only played casually
pliant violet
well with champions, you just sorta can, load up the thing on switch, do the tutorials and you're off to the races
azure crane
pliant violet
ok so is there no amoongus?
manic kindle
how's everyone doing, anyone running something fun?
Ill take a pic tomorrow but im still on Rain stuff, got me a funny basculegion and support klefki now
Mega Megs, Archaludon, Basc, Pelipper, Klefki and Sneasler have gotten me to Ultra
pliant violet
I'm one win off ultra, probably need to replace mega kang
losing power up punch significanlty hurt it
languid lichen
pup doesn't exist anymore right?
pliant violet
yes but wasn't sure if it'd return with champions
turns out not being able to self double buff and damage is rough
manic kindle
Have you tried Coaching the kang?
pliant violet
elaborate
obtuse ravine
well with champions, you just sorta can, load up the thing on switch, do the tut...
o7
pliant violet
I know what coaching is to be clear, just need to hear the seeds of that plan
manic kindle
🤔 finding a place to use Coaching on kang to emulate a fraction of the lost punch power
As i say it im not sure theres space
pliant violet
definitely possible, yeah though idk what has coaching in champions
manic kindle
Not too many spots to properly Helping Hand either
timber vale
Do any of the mons get decorate
I know Alcremie has it, but I dunno if it's in Champions or if there are any other users
pliant violet
my main core, atm is incin sneasler mega kang with dragapult and hydrapple substituting for each other
pliant violet
I know Alcremie has it, but I dunno if it's in Champions or if there are any oth...
alcreamie is in iirc and is the only userr
timber vale
I wonder... mixed attacker with alcremie support...
pliant violet
mixed attackers tend to struggle/generally be less efficient
manic kindle
Dragapult is hot, great gengar counter
timber vale
mixed attackers tend to struggle/generally be less efficient
Oh, I know, i just also remember there being actually viable ones as well
Mega Salamance, iirc, had successful mixed sets
pliant violet
dragapult is great I agree, unfortunately physical ghost be upon ye
timber vale
And that could slot nicely for a dragon/fairy/steel core, assuming it gets added or is already in
pliant violet
not in atm iirc
languid lichen
Mega Salamance, iirc, had successful mixed sets
landorus-therian, historically
just not anymore
pliant violet
no amoongus is "tragic"
languid lichen
it would run hidden power ice to kill the mirror
garchomp has had sets with minor spatk investment and fire blast, as well
incl the mega
which was actually its biggest niche over smallchomp
having a heavier fire blast
pliant violet
notice that no z mega made it in?
also I've come up with a side goal
hisuian decidueye team
timber vale
Is H Decidueye slow enough for trick room?
pliant violet
nope
pliant violet
plus ultra ball now
umbral hound
60 speed is... unfortunate. It's almost slow enough for Trick Room? But not enough to want to use it in a dedicated trick room team.
...honestly looking at its stat distribution in general... oof.
pliant violet
yeah especially since the other trick room attacker I'm considering is hydrapple
grass on grass
I think the best trick room attackers rn are probably torkoal (as is often the case) and kingambit
umbral hound
I wish Springtide Storm always hit in rain like the other storms did, because if so, Enamorus-T would be worth considering on a rain trick room team.
pliant violet
considering using whims
pliant violet
having much more fun with my tr team, even with no mega
farig, hydrapple, primarina, kingambit, incin, g slowbro
that last one is the one I'm most looking to change
normally lead farig incin with two of the damage dealers in back
farig really good at providing spread move chip to help the damage dealers
goal is to take at least 2 kos and at most one loss during tr and then sweep up from there
really wish mega golisopod was in the game though that'd take kingambit's spot not slowbro, not sure what to run instead there
quaint hollow
how's everyone doing, anyone running something fun?
Running froslass and had some fun on my free time last night
manic kindle
Lovely team
earnest nacelle
Oshit Champions is out? Somehow I missed that
manic kindle
Yep!
quaint hollow
I knew i wanted a froslass team so i got a shiny froslass in za
snow wren
Playing a trick room team with Mimikyu and rhyperior could be neat
arctic dagger
I knew i wanted a froslass team so i got a shiny froslass in za
Nice.
snow wren
What other Pokémon would be best brought along with that core?
Frosslas is neat, quite like them
arctic dagger
So snow is kinda weird, in that there's a lot fewer synergies than like, sunny or rainy
It pretty much only benefits ice type pokemon, and blizzard
Aurora Veil is a HUGE benefit, so I'd probably try to run some kind of setup sweeper with Froslass
snow wren
And ice is the wrist type sadly
snow wren
Oh sorry, I meant Mimikyu and rhyperior, just had adhd train of thought
arctic dagger
Hmm
Probably an EQ-team?
So things that float
You want to discourage water and grass types if you're running Rhyperior
So maybe a Sunny Day team
snow wren
What about trick room?
manic kindle
Firigaraf is the best TR setter in Champions imo
arctic dagger
I think your main problem is going to be that Mimikyu and Rhyperior probably don't work great together?
manic kindle
You can also use Mimi since they have will o wisp
arctic dagger
Yeah, Mimi as a utility pokemon is probably your best bet there
Shadow Sneak/Trick Room/Will/Protect maybe?
Thunder Wave instead of Protect?
manic kindle
Mimi, Rhyperior, a solid fire like Incineroar, a way to abuse the TR x2, and an answer to Venusaur would be my goal here
Ive seen a few support Mimikyu on my way up
arctic dagger
Looks like Bulbapedia has a full list of what's available at this point
"Metagross, Ursaluna, Dondozo, Tatsugiri, and Mega Raichu X were shown in promotional material, but were not present in the game at release." that's kinda funny
manic kindle
Mimikyu might be seeing more use in the 3v3 singles if i had to guess
arctic dagger
Mimikyu's ability is certainly a lot better in singles
snow wren
Mimi, Rhyperior, a solid fire like Incineroar, a way to abuse the TR x2, and an ...
I was mostly putting forth rhy since I knew they were a trick room staple in the past. They’re definitely neat but not a personal favourite
Surprised venusair remains a staple
manic kindle
Mega Char Y + Venu is a current top core rn
arctic dagger
Oh, yeah, also just Chloro in Sunny Day teams
manic kindle
doesnt work on me thanks to my secret weapon
arctic dagger
Which is?
manic kindle
Having a ton of fun with this team
arctic dagger
Hmm. Question: What's the ordering of mega evolutions?
If one person is doing Charizard, and one is doing Froslass, how does it determine whose weather is out?
languid lichen
fastest first
manic kindle
So! Currently bugged
languid lichen
oh boy
manic kindle
They announced itll get fixed soon
manic kindle
Current theory is whoever clicks it first
languid lichen
LOL
arctic dagger
Beautiful.
snow wren
Sneasler looks so weird to me, weavile is cool but sneasler is eh
arctic dagger
I like Sneasler a lot, he's so scrungly.
manic kindle
Sneasler ohko's a lot and fixes so many problems
languid lichen
sneasler's great
manic kindle
Even with the dire claw nerf
languid lichen
turns out a weavile that can click close combat is really good lmao
manic kindle
Unburden herb close combat is Very Stinky
arctic dagger
Huh.
Encore pulling fakeout instead pulling struggle
Is kinda wild
It doesn't fail as fakeout, it just struggles
quaint hollow
Yeah fake out only can be used the first turn it is in play
arctic dagger
Yeah, but it used to pull fakeout and then fail and do nothing
It's new in Champions that it pulls Struggle instead
snow wren
It's just a scrungly dude
Garbs dif is the weird Pokémon that I personally have a soft spot for
Far adore you you stupid air correct
Garbador
azure crane
Bug is the worst
Bug actually has, you know, resistances.
Though I don't understand why Fairy resists Bug. Did it actually need that?
snow cobalt
protect nerf is funny
manic kindle
It has neat implications for longer sets
signal glen
You know, never thought about how Growth was normal type.
languid lichen
I'm glad it isn't anymore
manic kindle
Well, things have always gotten some minor changes between gens
sullen mesa
maybe this was the actual reason why champions was made
manic kindle
This is a good handful of stuff all at once tho
quaint hollow
Champions seems to be a foundation to build on rather than rely on cross gen balance patches
sullen mesa
Well, things have always gotten some minor changes between gens
ye but not hotfixing moves for the most part
manic kindle
moves have changed like this before in gens; its been a while, but these things happen
My favorite was watching Leech Life go from useless to actually viable in sun/moon
sullen mesa
i like them hotfixing moves, good change from the glacial pace of main game releases
leech life mains
manic kindle
Toxic Thread getting the old String Shot upgrade is fun, even if its extremely niche to run
languid lichen
ye but not hotfixing moves for the most part
moves get changed between gens relatively consistently, actually
not a ton at once
but every gen gets a few
sullen mesa
yes i get that but this is different as hotfixes
manic kindle
I guess i just dont view this as hotfixes
sullen mesa
so we don't need to wait for a new game to change moves/pokemon stats etc. (champions hasn't yet but it might)
manic kindle
maybe im misunderstanding, but this is from Champions
sullen mesa
moves get changed between gens relatively consistently, actually
my original statement did make it seem like i didn't know, so fair
like we can get a season of "oops all froslass" and champions can decide to tweak things that make her less centralizing to a team next season
(i don't know who is in and who isn't, so i chose froslass as an example)
manic kindle
We'll have to see if something like that happens
🤔 I don't think its likely because they've never done that before, but this is all new territory.
arctic dagger
I'm honestly expecting all the Champions changes to just also be in the next main pokemon game
Instead of it being a place they're going to make changes different than the main game
sullen mesa
maaaybe but unsure
hopefully yes
pp changes no because this change in champions is to account for no pp up, presumably
manic kindle
Also no need to balance for PVE
PP is reasonable as a way to gauge your journey between cities, but here its just for each match
so you can drop everything into flatter values
versed sand
Should Champions have had every mon available from the jump before launching? Feels like one of the big sticking points I've seen
sullen mesa
its vgc format right?
languid lichen
yes, and
manic kindle
Its both vgc format and 3v3 singles
both teams of 6
pick 4 doubles and pick 3 singles
sullen mesa
got it
manic kindle
Not super hot on 3v3 singles since it typically just means you run two very offensive mons and some kind of pivot
but the grind to champ rank for doubles has been very fun and competitive for me
versed sand
I've seen folks bring up Battle Revolution of all things to dunk on Champions
manic kindle
yeah well pokemon fans hate pokemon, news at 6pm
manic kindle
either they play the game or they dont tbh
versed sand
Like, I remember Battle Revolution
manic kindle
and if folk arent playing it i truly dont want to hear it from them LMAO
versed sand
It wasn't great!
manic kindle
its just twitter blue check bitching
who gives a single shit yknow
tell me you dont like the game after you hit ultra rank or smth that requires you to actually touch the game
or at least show me your smogon tourney entries
sullen mesa
are the genies gone
manic kindle
They are not in the current pool
manic kindle
inshallah i do not have to see landorus for a few more monsts
versed sand
What did lando do to you?
manic kindle
exist
sullen mesa
exist
manic kindle
Its just a Very Good Pokemon and can centralize teambuilding
glossy umbra
They are not in the current pool
Yeah, don't think they're part of the current regulation.
timber vale
Lando T is a terrorist responsible for horrific crimes across OU
glossy umbra
Its just a Very Good Pokemon and can centralize teambuilding
Part of what makes draft leagues seem like so much fun.
sullen mesa
tell me you dont like the game after you hit ultra rank or smth that requires yo...
i'll go play it a bit and report back
manic kindle
point based draft leagues my beloved
glossy umbra
The downside is that they're pretty time consuming to set up and all.
manic kindle
i am enjoying the team varieties im seeing
you got charizard-y venusaur cores, firagarif trick room setting w folk like torkoal and kingambit, drizzle teams with archaludon and mega meganium, sneasler and incineroar are team glue points, frosslass w a rage powder buddy, and even perish trap gengar teams
people are even putting lesser used guys like tinkaton into high ranking winning teams
versed sand
I never got too into pvp with Pokemon before. I always considered myself a more casual player.
I couldn't teambuild to save my life 😅
quaint hollow
I like the small pokemon selection as a way to reduce choice paralysis
manic kindle
I couldn't teambuild to save my life 😅
Prebuilt stuff is the way to begin!
glossy umbra
people are even putting lesser used guys like tinkaton into high ranking winning...
Tinkaton finally getting to see some solid play.
pliant violet
i am enjoying the team varieties im seeing
you got charizard-y venusaur cores,...
Farig is so good
pliant violet
farig, incin, two trick room attackers is the formula I'm working with
pliant violet
guy is so tanky
you're just lucky throat spray isn't in the game
manic kindle
true
pliant violet
I use it to set tr, throw spread moves to chip, and prevent priority
manic kindle
really neat team i saw earlier i'd like to try eventually: the sand team w mega venusaur, real tanky monster that walled my rain squad
snow wren
Lots of my favorite Pokémon got into champions. Unfortunately a lot are mons that are there are on the weak side. Mimikyu is my absolute favorite but I also have a soft spot for arcanine, gengar, scizor, sceptile, gardevoir and their wider family, rhyperior, mamoswine, torterra, gliscor, serperior, hydreigon, chandelure, reunicus
Some more but I’ve got stuff to do
pliant violet
arcanine is good, particularly hisuian
gardevoir is decent, gliscor strong in singles, hydreigon is a beast, chandelure also
and that's just the ones I know things about
scizor can be a really powerful pivot piece with uturn and technician boosted priority
pliant violet
yeah I wish it was good in doubles
but it's a weird speed tier and while it's great for setting spikes, that's not necessarily something doubles cares for
languid lichen
the combination of the typing + acceptable phys bulk + eq is great for gliscor's base framework
it doesn't really set spikes in singles too often
pliant violet
it has other uses, I'm aware, it's just awkward in ways that don't gel with vgc tragically
languid lichen
(counting across gens)
but its status as a flex util mon with rocks + koff + toxic if it needs em
pliant violet
the combination of the typing + acceptable phys bulk + eq is great for gliscor's...
also being unable to recieve a negative status
languid lichen
or defog pre-gen8
pliant violet
it can also serve as a pivot
pliant violet
it's tanky, can uturn, heals
languid lichen
because it's effectively immune to everything a tank mon does other than like
suicune scald
or modern equivalents
like bozo wave crash
pliant violet
dozo
languid lichen
nay
pliant violet
if dozogiri was available in champions I'd call that a team to watch
pliant violet
put some respect on his goddamn name
pliant violet
hits like a moderately sized truck too
in vgc dozogiri is a strategy that's got good results multiple times, in multiple formats, in a few different team ideas
languid lichen
yeah base 100 wave crash is meaty as fuck
i can imagine!
the thing is a wall of numbers
pliant violet
commander tatsugiri gives it even more numbers
languid lichen
that's what i mean yh
pliant violet
totally different topic, it'll be like a month at the earliest till we get more mons in champions
I'm begging, please, mega golisopod, I'm running my tr team (with some success I admit) with no mega
languid lichen
i assume you saw that fimp got buffed
which is wild since it also got the mega in
pliant violet
f imp?
languid lichen
yh
pliant violet
I don't know what that is
snow wren
I forgot frosslass, zoroark, and runerigus. Mimikyu doesn’t seem to see much plsy though outside of weird edge picks
pliant violet
I mean if you like it you like it, you can play it
singles definitely but in doubles I'm sure you can find a niche
tr or screens setter is probably a good place to start looking
zoroark is a hard sell but also maybe good? hard to tell
pliant violet
...okay, a lot more than i remembered do
yeah they really spread the distribution on that one, which I'm happy about
it's a cool move
pliant violet
I forgot frosslass, zoroark, and runerigus. Mimikyu doesn’t seem to see much pls...
here's a good video that might help https://youtu.be/ZXcUSuU_-Zk?si=jK1i6a4xn1o17piM
(also recommend all of skraw's new to competitive pokemon stuff for champions)
snow wren
I'm guessing part of it is recognizing you can't just throw all your favorites in a team and do well
pliant violet
part of it yeah but also it's about how to recognise a niche
snow wren
like the famous pachirisu
pliant violet
champions currently under maintenance, weather and mega changes I hope
obtuse ravine
all sunny over here
pliant violet
hehehehe
champions had an issue where weather changes were working weirdly i.e. not with speed and such
pliant violet
it is
obtuse ravine
🙂↕️
i'm basically master ball tier
might give the tutorials a shot if i can find time to boot up
and i'll definitely do some when i hang out with my bestie so he can be my type chart dictionary and laugh at my poor decisions
I remember I was in his passenger seat once playing Sword
"hey, is ice weak to rock?"
"yeah"
"oh"
very loud supereffective noise my poor avalugg
pliant violet
oh good news, game tells you how effective, as in type effectiveness, moves will be
obtuse ravine
!!
wispy yarrow
Yep
obtuse ravine
whew
pliant violet
yeah no keeping track of types is hard
wispy yarrow
I've been enjoying my Galarian Slowking/Mega Froslass combo
obtuse ravine
ones that are different depending on attacker/defender (0.5/2x in one direction, 1x in the other)
wispy yarrow
I know Mega Froslass gets snow as soon as it comes in but Chilly Reception with Regenerator swap into Mega Frosslass has felt nice
because I can delay going Mega if I don't want to for some reason
languid lichen
it's good util to have access to
wispy yarrow
like yeah Slowking takes the hit but he heals it on regenerator
gives me a chance to swap into other stuff too
languid lichen
and if you have another mega-viable mon on your team, you can threaten that one
wispy yarrow
Mega Lopunny my goat
manic kindle
Lots of my favorite Pokémon got into champions. Unfortunately a lot are mons tha...
the good news is a lot of those DO have solid spots and ways to teambuild them
wispy yarrow
Bounce, dodge a hi-jump kick from Tsareena, kill her next turn
manic kindle
i have run into a lot of em in Ultra on teams, often together in some way
pliant violet
yeah I was thinking something similar
pliant violet
hydrapple hits so hard goddamn
hydrapple gonna drag my ass out of ultra
My team rn
pliant violet
oh in your recruit pulls?
versed sand
First post-tutorial roll lol
The starter Gardevoir I got out of the tutorial roll is a menace. She's been soloing entire teams in ranked.
timber vale
Mystical fire, maybe?
versed sand
Well, the team I cobbled together is uh...Gardevoir, Dragonite, Ditto, Luxray, Pangoro and Toxicroak
Fuck it we ball?
pliant violet
toxi can punch steel types
manic kindle
Doubles or singles?
versed sand
So far, been doing singles
pliant violet
ahh
wispy yarrow
I now fully appreciate the upgrade they gave to Scrappy
pliant violet
immunity to intimidate is massive