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soft isleBOT
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Anyway, graveler made this fight much easier

umbral hound
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It's kind of interesting that Mystery Dungeon is an isekai story, which is all about how You, Personally got turned into a pokemon based on your personality, and you're dropped in as a blank slate... but in the original PMD games (Red/Blue Rescue Team) the protagonist actually has a defined backstory and history. It was interesting.

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There was also a strong implication that humans used to live in that world, since some of the friend areas are post-apocalyptic ruins of human structures. I feel like the later PMD games sort of smoothed some of that away, with a protagonist who's more of a blank slate, and humans being more vague as a concept. But I guess I don't know enough about the post-Explorers games, since they didn't enter the cultural zeitgeist anywhere near as much.

languid lichen
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the protagonist kind of has a defined backstory and definitely has a defined history in Explorers, too!

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and humans seemingly existed enough for them to like

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be there as a human too

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in Explorers

umbral hound
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Oh, I guess I don't know enough about Explorers. That's on me. I was going to check an LP of it to learn more but kept getting distracted.

languid lichen
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ah

snow cobalt
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yeah Explorers mostly gives you a blank state protagonist inasmuch as 1) you're amnesiac 2) your spoken words are unrecorded for most of the game (but your thoughts are)

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but you certainly get more defined as the game goes on

umbral hound
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I always thought that especially with the silent protagonist, the Explorer protagonist was more of a blank slate, and much of their characterization was fan-invented.

snow cobalt
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You are still seeing their thoughts constantly, is the thing

umbral hound
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That is true. It's kind of weird to have a silent protagonist who still has thought bubbles, now that I think about it.

languid lichen
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minute 0 the character talks to themselves

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and hour...6 or 10, maybe, they get pretty active with their agency

umbral hound
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Then that's my bad.

umbral hound
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idea: a fire/bug spider that weaves elaborate webs out of glass. It's said that ancient humans learned the secrets of glassblowing from watching this pokemon. (Or should it be a fire/ground type which isn't a spider?)

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I almost feel like, if Heatmor didn't exist, you could conflate a long nose and a glassblowing pipe pretty easily.

wispy yarrow
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I fuck with the idea of glassblowing spider

sullen mesa
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more spiders please!!

arctic dagger
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I would like to acquire additional spiders

sullen mesa
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i'm saying this but i haven't made a fakemon spider yet

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i gotta think of some ideas

umbral hound
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imagine: Mega Musharna.

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probably it's barely even visible inside the massive cloud of pink smoke, but you can just barely see one of its eyes barely cracked open. (Also the smoke is itself shaped like a tapir.)

pliant violet
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Could alternatively play with the Baku inspiration

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Make it more hostile, though that’s more hypno

umbral hound
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Its brain is filled with so much energy that it's too restless to fall fully into a deep sleep. The overflowing energy billows out in a great cloud.

round perch
umbral hound
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just gotten to the part in Explorers of Sky which replicates the most iconic segment of Rescue Team, but there it was harrowing and emotional and here it's "let's go on a fun trip yay"

fickle thicket
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what is the most iconic segment of rescue team

languid lichen
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the flight from town

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where they're being constantly chased by a huge mob

fickle thicket
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ah that part

iron lake
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did that personality quiz thing. interesting combination

sudden spade
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Low Speed Rock Type. I am so sorry. At least prankster could be fun/let you get around that?

obtuse ravine
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quiz link? gladeline

arctic dagger
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4x steel vulnerability RIP

iron lake
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we simply would not get attacked with a steel type move

iron lake
obtuse ravine
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found it!

obtuse ravine
soft isleBOT
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Slush rush sure is an ability to have with 35 base speed!

arctic dagger
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I mean beartic makes it work with only fifty but... Yeah...

mellow robin
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it actually still boots you to like the equivalent of a base 119.5 speed Pokemon, assuming max IVs/EVs
(338 speed at level 100 with neutral nature)

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you won't outspeed the really fast mon but it's still quite fast

sullen mesa
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i was thinking about my fakedex and thought "hey, ice dog is a good idea" but then remembered you had the idea first lol

umbral hound
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If you stole it I'd be flattered

sullen mesa
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i'd feel bad! if i were to add it in i would ask if that were okay though

umbral hound
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honestly I'd love for any of my random rambling ideas to actually develop into anything.

trail bridge
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poff...

sullen mesa
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i was thinking snowdog would evolve into two forms, a fast ice type wolf that's more icicle-like and loses the snow, and a thick snow malamute/st. bernard that's bulky with self-healing (my game doesn't really have type matchups so ice can be good bulky, yay)

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basically rockruff again

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i'd probably make a third form

arctic dagger
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TBH like, I feel like "Ice Dog" is generic and obvious enough I'm just surprised it hasn't come out yet

sullen mesa
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it's been overdone in a lot of knockoff mobile games

round perch
azure crane
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I'm reminded of how Ash could casually carry his Larvitar.

round perch
azure crane
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Rika is so gender <3

fickle thicket
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Notably more feminine in this outfit

languid lichen
near flower
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fell for it award x3

karmic imp
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Coolest steel types?

runic umbra
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Specifically coolest?

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I do have many faves that are steel type, but they trend more towards silly guy than cool

languid lichen
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one of my most basic bitch opinions is that lucario is really cool

languid lichen
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lucario and the honedge line

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and mega mawile

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which are all generic-ass opinions

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was always a big fan of magearna, and its mega also goes hard

runic umbra
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Scizor is an old fave. I do like Perrserkers shit eating grin and sword claws

timber vale
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Scizor, Aegislash, Aggron, Metagross

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Magearna, uhhh

runic umbra
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I do really like Bronzong

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it has a certain understated menace

runic umbra
languid lichen
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that was like level 20 and spammed hypnosis

jovial rampart
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Not sure I would call it the coolest, but I really like Ferrothorn.

runic umbra
languid lichen
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lmao

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in fairness that's really easy to do as a kid

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there are two fire types

torpid pivot
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Ferrothorn rules, love a plant with malice

languid lichen
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and kids don't love coverage

azure crane
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A homophobic plant.

runic umbra
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me as a kid: "why doesn't sword dance do any damage? garbage attack!"

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"I use hyperbeam every time I can because it has biggest number"

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Skarmory is interesting. as a kid growing up with the sprite only pokémon I thought it looks really cool. The 3d models with the generic bird rig animation unfortunately diminish the effect.

runic umbra
languid lichen
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joever from the start

azure crane
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I actually knew the value of nondamaging moves as a kid. I beat Claire's Kingdra using a Wobbuffet. I used Destiny Bond, and she attacked into it and died.

languid lichen
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destiny bond says kill so it's a damaging move :)

timber vale
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I used to use competitive sets when I played roms and then I remembered that no one has held items and knock off is just worse than stronger dark moves 99% of the time in gameplay outside of comp

languid lichen
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yeah lmao

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it's good in like, gen 5 world tournaments

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but otherwise just use crunch

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or even night slash

manic kindle
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feint attack my beloved

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fuck u sand attack

languid lichen
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i'm still mad that they renamed it

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from faint attack

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there was already a move named feint

timber vale
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I just. god. I'm not even good at comp, I don't play it that much, why did I default to comp sets

arctic dagger
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Mawile my favorite steel type for a long time

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A lot of people don't like it, but I think Magnezone is pretty cool

languid lichen
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i can respect a magnezone

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i think it does magnet boi a lot better than its prevos

mellow robin
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I like aggron

torpid pivot
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I think I'd like Lucario more if he wasn't steel type

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His little hand nubs aren't enough

manic kindle
arctic dagger
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Not that we need another Psychic/Fighting humanoid lmao

torpid pivot
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Fighting/Furry

languid lichen
snow cobalt
arctic dagger
languid lichen
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yeah, but that's kind of the point

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lucario was the introductory bridge of "the spiritual side of the fighting type"

arctic dagger
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Yeah, and I'm uh, not objecting at all to Fighting, I'm going "The steel type feels weird"

languid lichen
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medicham was the only other "mystic" fighting type, as the monk mon

sudden spade
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'Look, we have a special/physical split now. We really need special fighting moves'

languid lichen
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oh i'm just protesting the "aura is psychic" thing

arctic dagger
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Shrug Aura feels more psychic than Lucario feels steel type

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To me

torpid pivot
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Should be pure Fighting

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He's the spirit of it

arctic dagger
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Yeah I'd be in favor of that.

languid lichen
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i'm pretty sure the steel part comes from the deific inspirations

torpid pivot
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I wasn't aware he had those

languid lichen
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anubis and japanese wolf gods are the cited theories

torpid pivot
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is.. anubis associated with metal

arctic dagger
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Anubis is an underworld god

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Which are commonly associated with metal for pretty obvious reasons

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Same with Hades for instance

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I do not know if Anubis is tho'

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Nothing comes to mind offhand

languid lichen
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anubis's metal associations that i'm aware of are the heart-weighing scale, ankhs (which i believe were a symbol of him), and his iron brand

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oh i'm wrong, ankhs as a symbol of life were for like a dozen gods and also the pharaohs

runic umbra
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It is a bit odd that lucario develops pants upon evolution

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like, are they part of its body? are there veins in its pants?

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anyway body horror aside I don't think any associations with anubis or egypt are all that strong.

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My guess is that its design has its roots more in ideas of qi and martial arts. I think the dogface was more chosen with the reasoning of of "we wanna make a shonen protagonist with an animal face"

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I'm not sure but wasn't Lucario also one of the early designs for Gen4 and had its own movie?

arctic dagger
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Yeah I think so

umbral hound
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yeah, Lucario and the Mystery of Mew.

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It was a Big Deal before the games dropped.

torpid pivot
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always trying to swipe the eternal staying power of Mewtwo Strikes Back

azure crane
runic umbra
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I'm not sure how the fighting type and the competitive aspect snuck in there. I do not have a competitive bone in me outside of wanting to work on myself.

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I got that buitzel color scheme tho. and I like Buitzel.

languid lichen
azure crane
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A water type with Lightning Rod sounds cool though.

sudden spade
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You'd think so but when was the last time anyone used Seaking? XD

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...actually, these are very close to Seaking's stats, just with a notably better special attack.

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(The stat totals for that generator do feel a hair low, considering Seaking is not exactly held up as an overstatted pokemon and is a good few below the average base stat total for fully evolved pokemon)

runic umbra
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you callin' me a lowly goldfish?

languid lichen
runic umbra
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I liked that the quiz had notes on how it worked and the evaluation process behind it.

I can see some issue with it conflating certain terms and interpretations that probably shouldn't have been.

Also the questions have a weird balance of serious and over the top.

Nonetheless it's a super impressive effort. I do like that the creator actually went through pokedex entries to look for commonalities. there's a lot if love put in this.

fickle thicket
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i know more about them and the swords find me more attractive

runic umbra
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that's wonderful. very inspirational.

fickle thicket
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guess you were right

runic umbra
fickle thicket
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No one is humbler

runic umbra
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oh now it's on buckaroo

languid lichen
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always feels good

pliant violet
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my beautiful boy

languid lichen
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my beautiful boy reigns supreme

pliant violet
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you killed mine

languid lichen
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yours is brought low, down in the dirt by the dirt

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succumb to the desert

pliant violet
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pharaoh's curse etc etc

azure crane
arctic dagger
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LMAO

runic umbra
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fear

karmic imp
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No ratata

deft path
round perch
round perch
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I wish Golem didn't lost the extra arms.

runic umbra
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yes

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I don't even mind the lizard head that much

fickle thicket
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I strongly suspect it's a blastoise situation

snow cobalt
runic umbra
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the manga's kinda fun ngl. just doing its own thing.

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I do like how much of a gremlin Gold is

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ten years old and already cheating at billiards

pliant violet
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when else are you meant to start

wispy yarrow
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bring trainer skills into the video games, game freak

runic umbra
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let my ten year old punch god

wispy yarrow
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yes

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or at least let me be better at breeding pokemon in exchange for some other downside

runic umbra
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what about an equivalent to old fallouts Jinx

wispy yarrow
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I thought about these a while back honestly

runic umbra
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everybodys pokémon have a random chance of using explosion in a fight

wispy yarrow
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Breeder: Faster egg hatching
Catcher: Higher catch rates
Collector: Slightly higher shiny odds
Charmer: Friendship goes up faster
Battler: Increased money from trainer battles
Trainer: Faster EV collection

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Stuff like that

round perch
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I would think it was dark electric.

manic kindle
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yeah a lot of people misunderstand luxray

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or rather i guess its sort of a big misunderstanding on like, type-and-color correlations, what a Dark-Type Is, and what Luxray is

languid lichen
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mmm

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one of the things with luxray is that it does not, in fact, fight fair

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dark as [evil type] is definitely the majority of what's going on with it, but luxray as a dark type isn't an insane statement

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because its big gimmick is hunting with wallhacks

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is that enough justification? not really, no

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but IDing it off of color and activity isn't an unreasonable thing to do

round perch
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Like... if we go off aesthetics alone, it looks dark.

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The eyes don't help.

arctic dagger
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Yeah, the eyes look evil as fuck, lmao.

runic umbra
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wait it's not dark/electric?

arctic dagger
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No

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XD

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Pure electric

runic umbra
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ah, okay, that makes sense

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for a second I thought it was only dark

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It does learn some dark type moves

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maybe that adds to the confusion

languid lichen
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bite/crunch, knock off, or night slash are on like 90% of mons

sullen mesa
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maybe they didn't want another mightyena in the immediate next gen

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idk

languid lichen
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mightyena isn't ele/dark

sullen mesa
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i agree luxray's dark coded tho

languid lichen
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just mono

sullen mesa
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its not but its dark

round perch
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I think there are other ways to make it feel more electrical.

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Like... a mostly black, big cat with thunder cloud fur is right there.

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But I feel it's design leans a little more dark than electric.

runic umbra
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it's a neat design but it's missing something

arctic dagger
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Shrug I think it's fine, but like, it's a fine gen4 mid game pokemon. It suffers from that bit of a mixed attacker with neither strong defense nor high speed issue. I think if I were to redesign it, it'd be probably faster and more fragile with a lower special attack, and keep more of the bright blues and yellows from the earlier evolutions instead of quite so much black. More golden mane than black mane.

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But at the end of the day, it's no worse than many other pokemon.

languid lichen
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i don't think dropping its attack makes sense for any of its current design beats, but yes it is just too unoptimized in stat distribution

arctic dagger
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Oop, sorry, meant special

languid lichen
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ah

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i can agree with that

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it really would appreciate the dark typing, but mostly it just needs better bulk, speed, or both

arctic dagger
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But also like, it's the 4th evolutionary line in the entire sinnoh pokedex, right after the route 1 bird, mammal, and bug.

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Mind you, the bird is Staraptor who is AWESOME in power too.

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Fast, hits hard, good movepool, intimidate, what's not to love

languid lichen
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staraptor has been OU, UU, or banished to the shadow realm between for most of its lifespan

arctic dagger
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Looks cool AF

languid lichen
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unforchies it's been powercrept by gen 8-9 design, but

arctic dagger
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Yeah but like

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What hasn't

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XD

languid lichen
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it's a cool-ass bird

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yeah...

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ttar made it back!

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no longer oppressed by the infinite donphans

arctic dagger
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The only pokemon who arenj't powercrept by gen 8-9 are the ones who get fancy new things or just do something that isn't defined almost at all by their stats.

languid lichen
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or are landorus-therian, whose power is doing everything at once pretty well and also having the hammer of god

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shoutouts to the fact that darkrai is OU now

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darkrai and deoxys

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and greninja is UU

soft isleBOT
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(Only Deoxys speed it looks like, attack and base are still Ubers)

topple ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) darkrai and deoxys

round perch
timber vale
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I like Oleana a lot

Especially with some stuff from the anime

azure crane
sullen mesa
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excellent

soft isleBOT
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Hm. Well this seems bad.

sudden spade
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The first two with Ice for picking off ground types is fun/well set up. Moreso than is normal for many gym leaders.

soft isleBOT
azure crane
trail bridge
azure crane
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IT'S PIKACHU!

runic umbra
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omg what a pikachu

sullen mesa
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who's on the third cover? charizard?

runic umbra
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it's partially yellow, has big mouse ears and a tail. behold, a pikachu

red rampart
obtuse ravine
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all true!!

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being a fireplace cyndaquil sounds so cozy bunnyblushheart

umbral hound
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Did you see that one short about an elderly couple with a Slugma helping heat their house? It could rest in the fireplace or there was a whole series of tubes it could go through.

obtuse ravine
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awwww

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i didn't see that but that's adorable

umbral hound
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snow cobalt
languid lichen
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would be based if he was

pliant violet
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Tbh masters ex would

runic umbra
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and he'd look amazing in it

snow cobalt
languid lichen
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hey now, we can and should put boys in dresses too

sullen mesa
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thank u mk/ret

languid lichen
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throat chop having real text...

round perch
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By Shu'la✨ (@Red_brb) on Twitter.com.
"Giving Gen 1 a modern look is difficult because you quickly lose the pkmn's "aura" especially when it comes to iconic pkmn like this, but I'm glad with the result, although there's definitely room for improvement."

timber vale
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Zinnia from ORAS has so much aura in her design

sullen mesa
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pikachu has shrunk

runic umbra
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idunno most of these are losing me

azure crane
fickle thicket
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I also like the others, though I'll add that that charizad doesn't look like a modern starter
then again I don't think you could do that and still have it be recognizably charizard

round perch
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I like the charr on Charizard and but it does feel like a mega. My favorite is Vaporeon.

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I kinda like it tho.

fickle thicket
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I feel like the other two eeveelutions push is a little too far but that vaporeon really nails what it's trying to be

peak island
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The Flareon and Jolteon redesigns feel more like Mega Evos

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Which I think could still work in that context

runic umbra
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I do like the stormcloud idea for jolteon.

pliant violet
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if they went with evolutions for the eeveelutions to fill in types a storm cloud jolteon evo for flying electric would be up there for me

runic umbra
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I like that vaporeon and jolteon are playing around the idea of what "if eeveelutions without the fluffy mane".

The mane has kinda disappeared in subsequent eeveelutions past gen1

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I'd love to see what the inverse would look like. later variants with a gen1 type mane

fickle thicket
wispy yarrow
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Man, I'm having some thoughts about FRLG being made as standalone games on the switch

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On one hand they're FINALLY doing what folks have asked for for years: Making their old games officially accessible.

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On the other, it's twenty of god's own american dollars for the games that are most easy to emulate.

fickle thicket
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I don't think it's really fair to compare prices to emulation

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I do think it's fair to compare prices to the $8 GBA games on Wii U

soft isleBOT
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tbh we're just disappointed they aren't releasing RSE. FRLG are fine but they aren't exactly the games we're nostalgic for (it doesn't help that it's literally impossible to get an umbreon due to the lack of a clock)

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Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll release more games later. :)

azure crane
timber vale
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spinda highkey needs to get an evo that adds like 200 to its BST and is like. normal/fighting. and is a drunken fist martial artist type thing

azure crane
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Castform needs an evo as well.

versed sand
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I hope we get some nice stuff out of friday's Presents (I have work, alas)

fickle thicket
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they should give koraidon an evo that's exactly the same except koraidon can use eviolite now

soft isleBOT
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That's a terrifying thought

sullen mesa
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lmfao

peak island
fickle thicket
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(what's grafaiai doing there)

pliant violet
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that’s all me

obtuse ravine
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what is a grafaiai

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huh

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silly lil guy

timber vale
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...

suspicious glance.

soft isleBOT
umbral hound
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It's a lawn flamingo. Also its ability is called Costar.

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what is grafaiai doing up there though?

soft isleBOT
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Ahh

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Let me just- oh

Bananatron (She/He (Mix it up)) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) what is grafaiai doing up there though?

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Okay no that box hasn’t been scalped so that can’t be it

umbral hound
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Is it like... ruining the meta?

timber vale
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not a strong mon

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like it's got prankster and technician but there are better users for both iirc

umbral hound
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That was my impression, but I meant (but did not actually say) in the card game.

timber vale
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OHHHHHHH

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like budew

manic kindle
soft isleBOT
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Lawn flamingo boxing glove that looks like it wants to punch you in the face 😌

pliant violet
umbral hound
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I'm pretty sure being a Funny Little Guy is manditory for getting Prankster (unless you evolve from a Funny Little Guy or are Tornadus or Thundurus)

fickle thicket
pliant violet
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I google grafaiai about many things

umbral hound
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as I should have said but didn't, I meant for the card game.

fickle thicket
fickle thicket
pliant violet
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I love him

runic umbra
fickle thicket
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(surprisingly (to me), Lopunny never even makes top 3 out of the 15 listed here)

fickle thicket
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here we go

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wild first announcement

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special trailer to announce pokopia has music in it

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why didn't they open with any of this other actually interesting news

glossy umbra
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New Pokémon generation?

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Yup

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They just showed the new starters.

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YES MY GIRL!

round perch
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It looks pretty!?

glossy umbra
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My girl returns!

pliant violet
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water type has me so far

glossy umbra
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Decent graphics also (finally).

fickle thicket
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my video feed was kind of blurry so I'll have to watch it in HD later

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but could it really look like a game made this decade?

glossy umbra
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2027 is the release date.

glossy umbra
fickle thicket
glossy umbra
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Congrats to Tobi Fox for finally becoming a Pokémon

signal glen
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The grass starter makes me think of an Angry Bird.

fickle thicket
languid lichen
glossy umbra
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But yeah the fire starter is straight up a Pomeranian

pliant violet
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Water looks like it's gonna say mean things at me /pos

glossy umbra
glossy umbra
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But yeah as expected the leaks seem to have been accurate on Wind&Waves

fickle thicket
fickle thicket
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and what's THIS? 👀

pliant violet
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same thing he's holding

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hoverboard

glossy umbra
pliant violet
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I did not watch the direct, do not correct me

glossy umbra
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I will say that the design of the town we saw was very pretty.

snow wren
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Hoverboards used to cross water could be neat

round perch
trail bridge
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oh i like that

round perch
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...Struggling not to squish tail.

trail bridge
#

its weird but still cute

fickle thicket
#

I refuse to get excited already. Not after the last almost seven years.
If it turns out good I'll find out after it releases.

But what a relief to not already be 100% sure it's another wash

round perch
#

It would be rude!!

timber vale
#

Also the starter designs are solid

timber vale
fickle thicket
#

the gecko will 100%

round perch
fickle thicket
#

the bird 90% will

round perch
fickle thicket
signal glen
glossy umbra
#

I wish they tried to push for Pikachu less..

#

I know why they do it, but please.

fickle thicket
#

you can tell she's a girl because of the lashes and pink cheeks

glossy umbra
#

I thought it was because of the tail

pliant violet
#

ok but what about my guy alolan raichu

fickle thicket
#

normally it would be, and this design would've been better without the lashes and pink cheeks

fickle thicket
glossy umbra
fickle thicket
#

only these two, the wild pikachu in the trailer was just the modern standard issue

glossy umbra
#

Yeah, but I'll take what I can get

#

Same with them reminding me of my old fave

pliant violet
#

my favourite pichu is the one in smash with the team skull hat

fickle thicket
pliant violet
#

no?

#

team

fickle thicket
#

Huh? What was that?

Must've been the wind.

honest cairn
#

I think this is the first dog starter ever which is interesting

fickle thicket
#

first dog but not the first dog-related

round perch
fickle thicket
#

...is that a hat with pouches

#

pouches?!

snow wren
#

Looks like it

fickle thicket
#

game ruined

#

literally unplayable

pliant violet
#

pockets

round perch
#

PREPARE YOURSELVES!!

#

NPC designs have hit!!

fickle thicket
#

preordered

round perch
#

Oh wait...

runic umbra
#

oh dear

round perch
#

These are for Champions.

fickle thicket
#

preorder canceled

round perch
fickle thicket
#

champions preordered

signal glen
#

Oh so apparently in Champions Mega Delphox has Levitate.

runic umbra
#

idunno man

#

granted I do not own a switch 2 anyway

languid lichen
runic umbra
# round perch

I'm tryin to think. Is this the first time we've seen a character in pokémon with tattoos?

round perch
deft path
fickle thicket
deft path
#

And he has tats

languid lichen
fickle thicket
#

trying to think of anyone earlier...

#

all I can find is ya boy Guzma in the same games

fickle thicket
#

unless there's an NPC trainer class with tattoos

round perch
arctic dagger
#

The Pomeranian is killing me

#

Regarding the region: it's tropical and lots of islands, do we know if it's Caribbean or Indo?

timber vale
signal glen
versed sand
#

The dog is so friend-shaped

#

Good pupper

signal glen
deft path
arctic dagger
#

Nice.

#

I didn't actually watch the vid so I didn't know about the mangroves

soft isleBOT
snow wren
arctic dagger
#

Dark, they're running Incineroar

#

Really clearly

#

IMO

#

We got our... Huh, woulda said normal, but the 3rd lady is clearly normal, maybe flying?? Cowlady, Dark Wrestler w/ Incineroar, Normal Lady w/ Tandemous, Electric Diva

#

Can anyone tell what the cowlady's tattoos are?

#

To me I'm reading cloud motifs with the hat and boots

#

Which is what makes me think Flying

#

But she has a Bouffalo belt which is clearly Normal

#

Maybe they're duo-type trainers?

#

Normal/Flying, Poison/Dark, Normal/Fairy, Electric/???

snow wren
# round perch

Knew pom reminded me of something but couldn’t but my finger on it

#

Where are we getting npc info?

round perch
#

They're from Champions.

azure crane
#

Welcome back, Pombomb Cassette Beasts.

round perch
#

Are Pomeranian connected to any particular islands?

snow wren
#

No they’re European

round perch
sullen mesa
#

lmfao

#

(cassette beast dev post about this reveal)

obtuse ravine
#

oh my god

pliant violet
versed sand
#

Doing a Fire Red run with Bulba. Hoping to get a team raised up to transfer to Home.

languid lichen
#

lol

worldly plume
#

They gave them a tourist tan

snow cobalt
bright cargo
#

Unironically yes, please

#

Yappy fire Falcor would be sick

arctic dagger
#

That would be so fucking funny

signal glen
#

Ah the Dunsparce treatment

round perch
#

Someone had another thought based in SE mythology.

sullen mesa
#

pombon turning dragon type would be real interesting

pliant violet
#

they all become dragons

languid lichen
pliant violet
#

yes

languid lichen
#

sorry, this question doesn't allow a syncretist answer

#

you have to pick your doctrine

#

and defend it to the death

trail bridge
#

wait why is Rhydon there 🤔

pliant violet
#

first designed pokemon

trail bridge
#

ohhhhh

runic umbra
#

https://youtube.com/shorts/mBFOky5PEPc?si=Wz1BbfvzPqvNYLvr

I don't do a lot of shorts but I kinda like this guys takes (even when they're wrong).

but what I actually want to talk about is the designs of team magma in the Gen3 remake.

What the hell's up with all the corduroy on their uniform. It's kind of upsetting to look at.

#

It's not so bad on the grunts but it gets kind of absurd later on

#

with the lieutenants and the head honcho

#

I hate the way the different layers are connected here. Like, is he wearing a corduroy onesie under a shirt? Is the corduroy on his ...boots part of the outside or his socks?

worldly plume
runic umbra
#

I think he's backing up his stances well when it comes to design

trail bridge
#

i do like his design takes

round perch
runic umbra
versed sand
#

Goddamn, I forgot how brutal it is to travel in FRLG early on without running shoes

manic kindle
#

You do get them within the first hour or so at least

signal glen
obtuse ravine
manic kindle
#

oooh interesting

#

one of my favorite weird famous-y pokemon bugs

soft isleBOT
karmic imp
fickle thicket
# round perch

Love that people are going all in one this as if last generation didn't have the iconic Spanish cat, duck and crocodile.

fickle thicket
worldly plume
pliant violet
fickle thicket
#

world famous hawaiian archer, siren, and wrestling heel

pliant violet
#

the owl is based on an extinct hawaiian owl

fickle thicket
#

my point is that a lot of eggs are being put into a basket that isn't very consistent

pliant violet
#

true enough

manic kindle
#

its part of the fun

#

we love to have fun guessing and theorizing and reading all the little lines between things

#

i would love to invite you into the fun space for fun

pliant violet
#

I also think it's not necessarily the things you expect that are where the regional inspiration comes from

#

like, would not have expected bond films for sobble

fickle thicket
#

at least every that I've been aware of

#

maybe this never happened before gen 5

pliant violet
#

people will get mad for any reason, if they want to get mad

manic kindle
#

i just ignore mad people

#

Not worth my time

#

the exciting thing for now is seeing all the theories, the artist-drawn evolutions, all those goodies

karmic imp
soft isleBOT
#

Genuinely cannot tell who the knight of despair is supposed to be

languid lichen
#

i don't know who the Queen of Hatred is supposed to be either, she just looks like the Queen of Hatred

signal glen
#

Well the post lists Lillie, Olivia, Whitney, and Rosa in hashtags

#

So I think the blue one is Lillie, yellow is Olivia, pink is Rosa, and green is Whitney

#

Ok yeah the pink one is 100% Rosa

bright cargo
#

Really enjoying my first run at Radical Red. It's actually difficult! Brock was a beast!

Fun to explore the sheer profusion of options with NatDex right out the gate

languid lichen
pliant violet
#

kowalski, report

fickle thicket
pliant violet
#

should've said litleo for the little cup reference

fickle thicket
#

252+ SpA Piplup Bubble vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD 0 IVs Litleo: 206-246 (77.7 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

pliant violet
#

ty

signal glen
fickle thicket
#

I wouldn't bet money on it. Spinoff variants and mechanics tend to stay in spinoffs.

languid lichen
#

not usually, tbh

#

we got melmetal from Let's Go out into main, even

pliant violet
#

dark lugia is the big one that didn't make the leap

languid lichen
#

i wouldn't be surprised to see dj rotom accessible somewhere with fucking boomburst

#

shadow lugia's the big exception, yeah

pliant violet
#

the rotom forms are really lame, they get what, a new type and one move for that type?

pliant violet
languid lichen
#

yeah, their secondary type goes from ghost to [new] and they get one move

#

hydro pump/blizzard/leaf storm/overheat/air slash

pliant violet
#

honk shoo mimimi tbh

languid lichen
#

i mean, it's just supposed to be rotom

#

with a special move altered

#

the alt forms also give it like 100 extra bst though

pliant violet
#

oh that I did not know

#

still think they're lame

#

but explains why they're so much better than base, almost as a rule

#

do they get a new ability too or did I hallucinate that

languid lichen
#

no, they all still have levitate

#

they're not meant to be "new" mons

pliant violet
#

levitate is a good ass ability

languid lichen
#

just like

#

here's your rotom

#

here's it when it's safe and happy in its glock-19

#

with one extra move to represent what it gets

#

it's a pretty wild bst buff though

pliant violet
#

100 is a lot

languid lichen
#

normal rotom is 440 bst

pliant violet
#

that's a whole ass mega

languid lichen
#

when it's in its gubbins it gets +30 def, +30 spdef, +15 atk, +10 spatk, and -5 speed

#

so uh 80, not 100

pliant violet
#

still a lot

languid lichen
#

ye

azure crane
languid lichen
#

hmm

#

steel beam

#

it would be worse, but funnier

azure crane
#

Guns don't shoot beams.

#

Also, why are there so few special Steel attacks?

languid lichen
#

not really their wheelhouse, mostly

#

same with the low rate of special rock and ground moves

azure crane
#

At least Ground gets Earth Power.

languid lichen
#

well yeah

#

flash cannon, power gem, earth power

#

the One Good Move of their type in special

#

steel also used to have mirror shot, but that got beaned with gen 8

#

and ground just got scorching sands

azure crane
#

Man, I wish Play Rough had 100% accuracy.

languid lichen
#

i wish accuracy wasn't a mechanic

#

and they just did something better

#

but yeah, same

#

90% is mad tilting

arctic dagger
#

Mmm.

#

I think there's stuff like Sleep that needs accuracy

#

But also like, maybe that means it shouldn't exist as a mechanic.

#

XD

languid lichen
#

i liked temtem's balance on that

#

stronger moves had a charge mechanic where they'd need to be out in battle for x turns to use em, resetting

#

sleep moves basically universally had that or low prio + massive stamina costs (stamina also helping with move spam), topped off by sleep popping on damage taken and providing a turn of a Can't Fall Asleep status when it does

#

everything being deterministic was just so much fucking nicer to play with

arctic dagger
#

Low prio would help a lot

languid lichen
#

ye

arctic dagger
#

That's basically the reasoning on why almost no one who isn't super low speed gets Spore access

#

Which mostly works out

languid lichen
#

they cheated with toedscruel

#

who has 100 speed but always moves last with status

azure crane
#

At least it ignores stuff like Good as Gold :V

snow cobalt
sullen mesa
#

mole

#

fakemon that's just diglett out of its hole

snow cobalt
#

digging out of my hole
and i'm doing just fine

umbral hound
runic umbra
#

honestly? don't like it.

#

the evolution's rad tho

spring hedge
fickle thicket
#

Shoutout to Kling line the second worst evolution line in the series

languid lichen
#

i am god's only klinklang enjoyer

#

i do not, however, respect klink (the first stage) klang (the middle stage), or its name

runic umbra
#

howdareyou I love klinklang

#

Also a great evolution line, working on the same logic as magnemite

languid lichen
#

i think klinklang's design is neat, but the name sucks, and the prevos are exactly as sinful as magnemite/magneton

#

they're just...boring

#

it's Machinery With An Eye

#

but magnezone and klinklang do something with that

runic umbra
#

Hard disagree. I love the magnemite/magneton evo for its simplicity. magneton being three magnemites stuck together is funny and cute and magnezone (while looking cool) drops the ball by not pushing the concept further

#

klinks evolution building on itself is equally fun.

deft path
arctic dagger
#

What? I think they meant that it's in that game so it'll probably be in gen10, not questioning why it was normal type

spare wing
#

(Thought of this while considering selling my copy of Explorers of Sky to afford a tumble dryer)

fickle thicket
#

there's much worse designs than kling, klang, or klingklang in a vacuum

#

pawmi, pawmo and pawmot don't look that bad on their own either

languid lichen
#

oh god

#

fucking pawmi line

fickle thicket
#

but combine them and you get the worst to ever do it

languid lichen
#

i need to push them in a locker and hurl it into the sun

#

why are the first two evos literally the same thing twice

#

it's not even similar like the fucking gear bozoids

#

it's just the same fuckass creature

#

whymst

fickle thicket
#

they're slightly different

#

aside from pawmo being desaturated

languid lichen
#

it's like. 5% bigger and a slightly darker shade of yellow

fickle thicket
#

lighter shade of orange

#

pawmo has larger arms

pliant violet
#

literally just remove the middle evo and that line is excellent is my take

fickle thicket
#

honestly, pawmo with pawmi colours would've made a perfectly good regional electric mouse

pliant violet
#

top tier pikachu clone

pliant violet
#

bad take

#

I think it was good it was a 3 evo line, if they differentiated them more

fickle thicket
#

but they didn't

#

with the designs as we have them, I think re-saturated Pawmo would be the best option

pliant violet
#

I like the third stage

arctic dagger
#

I like the third stage too

#

It's actually my favorite pikaclone

#

Maybe unless you count mimikyu

#

But I feel since mimikyu isn't electric type it doesn't really count

languid lichen
#

it's the region's clone

pliant violet
#

nope that's togedemaru

languid lichen
#

togedemaru isn't real, can't hurt me, and isn't as cool

pliant violet
#

but I am right

timber vale
#

Mimikyu gets to be something other than a pikaclone

azure crane
#

Pachirisu, Emolga, Dedenne, and Togedemaru need to get evolutions.

#

Morpeko needs to go into a tumble dryer.

#

Plusle and Minun need to "evolve" into Plusle&Minun, which is literally just both of them.

pliant violet
#

tandemaus would like a word

arctic dagger
#

Tandemaus is great but isn't a pikaclone?

wispy yarrow
#

Plusle and Minun evolve into Aysee and Deesee

sullen mesa
#

already done (joking joking, coromon)

fickle thicket
#

This solves no problems and creates more but I'm going to act like it's a solution anyway

#

Problem solved

languid lichen
#

I'm firmly ambivalent toward most of these, but i would like an emolga evo...

obtuse ravine
azure crane
snow wren
#

pokopia has some concerning lore implications huh

azure crane
#

There was a conversation with a Paras that was heartbreaking.

worldly plume
#

Wait whats going on in pokopia

#

I hear its post apoc??

manic kindle
#

yeah

#

its post apoc, humanity-leaving-the-planet, rebuilding after an environmental collapse kind of thing

languid lichen
#

oh wow

sullen mesa
#

i think the bit about humans is a spoiler

#

at the very least, i haven't gotten to that point yet

torpid pivot
#

They at least mention they arent around early but idk details

#

Also trying not to spend 70 dollars on it but bluhhhh

snow wren
#

Maybe the Pokémon killed them all
Charmander knows what it did

sullen mesa
#

i applaud gamefreak for not making charmander capable of doing everything

#

i know it took a lot of courage

wild prairie
#

A friend playing the FRLG port convinced me to dust off my old cartridge copy and man I had forgotten how janky the level curve could be in that era

manic kindle
#

There is an expectation to hit all your normal optional trainers, but also youre 'meant' to be a little underleveled into the late-game since you get badge boosts and better item use.

snow cobalt
peak island
#

Wb for Zoroark?

azure crane
sullen mesa
#

legtails are such an odd design to me

#

just stick to one or the other lol

arctic dagger
#

They uh, want the V-shape but want to keep the tail. XD

#

It's lewd-optimization.

sullen mesa
#

my herpetology brain is screaming

umbral hound
#

There is, to my knowledge, only one animal with a tail and a visible pelvis/hips like that, and it is the manatee.

pliant violet
#

champions drops for the switch next month

arctic dagger
#

o.o

pliant violet
#

do not know what date, just remembered it was coming out this year so I searched when

#

and apparently it's april for the switch

arctic dagger
#

I am extremely cautiously extremely excited.

pliant violet
#

yes

obtuse ravine
#

👁️

#

do you slap a team together and battle

pliant violet
#

I'm more keen for mobile release which is later this year

obtuse ravine
#

in that game

snow cobalt
pliant violet
obtuse ravine
arctic dagger
#

I hope it's that anyway.

#

I think we're uh, not super aware exactly what it will be

#

But it's definitely SOLD as "Slap a team together and fight"

#

We'll see how much Nintendo/Pokemon Company actually holds to that concept.

azure crane
arctic dagger
#

So Platinum Kaizo exists now, and it appears to have "Attract" work on any gender. Which the community is referring to as "Woke Attract" which I think is really funny.

manic kindle
#

Does it work on the genderless mons

arctic dagger
#

I think it works on everyone

manic kindle
#

Hell yeah super woke

manic kindle
#

curious what new hells await in Plat Kaizo... i dont know if i have the soul power to try a brutal mod for a while after trying run&bun

fickle thicket
#

the silliest thing about the fucking expensive kanto starter lego set is that it really is three sets

#

you already build the base in three pieces

#

with minimal alteration, they could be three separate sets

languid lichen
#

riveting gameplay

earnest nacelle
#

What tier is this?

runic umbra
#

anorith is perfect

round perch
soft isleBOT
#

That's a very cool design for a chef Greedent! Love the pot as a pesudo chef's hat and using their tail to hold everything 😌

#

...oh and the girl is hot too I guess

timber vale
#

Pokebilities AAA is fun

#

But I wish there was like

#

Pokebilities AAA Ubers or something

#

AAA ubers in general

#

Cuz I know for a fact Water Bubble Ogerpon Wellspring wouldn't be strong enough to work in Balanced Hackmons, too easily cheesed

#

But it'd be a fucking menace everywhere else

languid lichen
#

in my experience, triple cross mashups are the point where they start getting too unbalanced to be consistently fun

#

esp. since the problem with any AAA mashup where water bubble is free is that it necessarily means the banlist is gone, i.e. wonder guard, huge power, orichalcum pulse, imposter chansey, etc. are present

arctic dagger
#

Well, no. You could start a format like that if you wanted to. There's ntohing stopping you. The hard part is getting people to play it.

timber vale
#

Why does tornadus therian not get brave bird

azure crane
#

Because changing forms doesn't change its moves.

timber vale
fickle thicket
#

Why does tornadus not get brave bird

snow cobalt
#

not a bird

pliant violet
#

not brave

manic kindle
#

Not storm related

timber vale
round perch
trail bridge
pliant violet
#

I do hate lando-t

obtuse ravine
languid lichen
arctic dagger
#

The lando memes are always a bit funny to me

#

I stopped playing before Gen7 and I always remembered it as being a good but not super impressive ou Pokemon

#

I always favored the more defensive options like hippowdon and gliscor for similar roles

pliant violet
#

Gliscor is one that even now is like on the cusp of an idea

arctic dagger
#

Yeah I'd be surprised if hippowdon had aged gracefully but gliscor is just great defensive typing, immune to status, and heals like crazy

#

Yeah still ou ranked

#

Damn hippowdon still in uu

#

Kinda impressive TBH

pliant violet
#

kinda necessary for sand teams

pliant violet
arctic dagger
#

I mean the nice thing about Pokemon like gliscor is they can always just hit eq

#

Which can only be so bad

pliant violet
#

true!

languid lichen
#

and hippo is relevant because it has huge phys bulk and recovery

#

it's crept its way back next to great tusk and iron treads because those mfs can't heal

#

and die to a couple other big things that matter

earnest nacelle
#

I thought Landorus-T usually ran Rocky Helmet sets

arctic dagger
#

It can run a lot of stuff

#

Choice is particularly good as a counterpick to certain things IIRC

near flower
#

just acquired perhaps the most insane thing ever
massive, absolutely huge totodile plush from the shibuya pokecenter

#

the craziest part? it was only 8k yen which is around 50-60 dollars US
greatest purchase of my life and the only problem is figuring out how im gonna get it back home

arctic dagger
#

Iirc shipment by boat is usually the cheapest for volume if you're willing to wait a bit

fickle thicket
torpid pivot
#

It was popular and strong enough to make me bored of the line forever

#

Every team had one

fickle thicket
#

I'm remembering it wrong

#

It's gens 7 and 8 yeah

#

Not just 50-60% smogon usage, but the #2 most used is always around 30% in those same periods

trail bridge
pliant violet
#

left out the rest of the appletun line

trail bridge
#

they wouldnt fit 😔

snow wren
#

Poor torterra; love that Pokémon but it’s not the greatest

#

Shame ice is so weak too; I like ice thematically

runic umbra
arctic dagger
#

Ice is a fantastic move to have for coverage

#

You just mostly don't want to be ice type itself

#

😄

timber vale
#

unless it's a fast sweeper

snow wren
#

Yeah ice is such a messy type

#

And paradoxically one of the reason water is so good because they all get ice beam; and the excellent defensive typing while also having a counter to one of their few weaknesses

#

And since most ice types are the sort of large fatty animals that comprise a good chunk of artic animals, they get the worst stat line for the typing

winged elbow
# trail bridge

i often wish ice was better defensively
also yay cloud birb :D

obsidian stump
#

Is it time for me to get back on my "ice should resist dragon and fairy (and be strong against fairy)" soapbox

quaint hollow
#

At least ice did get buffs in sv

#

With removal of hail and addition of snow

pliant violet
#

that was legends arceus, wasn't it

pliant violet
#

soon

signal glen
timber vale
#

"Dragonize"

...didn't have anything more interesting? Nothing?

torpid pivot
#

I mean i had the same thought about the Form itself so this tracks

sudden spade
#

...I wonder if mega sol lets partners use sunny moves too

#

Of if it's just personal

#

Still most interesting ability there

#

Time for Solar Beam

soft isleBOT
#

Mega Sol doesn't sound terribly useful. Yeah it's great for Solar Beam, but what other moves does Meganium get that benefit from Sunny Day?

manic kindle
#

Weather Ball is always Fire now, Synthesis always heal+, off the top of my head

timber vale
#

Growth always does 2 stage stat boosts instead of 1 stage

soft isleBOT
#

Oh right Meganium gets Synthesis. We somehow completely forgot that

manic kindle
#

Meganium does not get Growth, sadly

#

at least as of rn

timber vale
#

Damn.

manic kindle
#

but always having fire Weather Ball is really nice for coverage

timber vale
#

Mhm

#

Steel, ice, bug, other grass types

manic kindle
#

Solar Beam / Weather Ball / Synthesis / Dazzling Gleam is a basic 3-attack set that now just Works

arctic dagger
#

That's pretty good coverage and utility yeah

#

I think it's probably not enough to make it good but it's probably enough to make it playable

#

And good was always gonna be a stretch

umbral hound
#

I wonder what happens if Mega Meganium is in weather other than sun and how that interacts.

snow wren
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hope torterra gets a mega with solid rock one day

arctic dagger
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It Is Always In The Sun

umbral hound
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If it uses Weather Ball in the rain, will it be a fire-type move whose damage is then reduced by the rain?

arctic dagger
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That sounds like what should happen, yeah.

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Meganium thinks it's in sunlight using the fire move, the move then effects an enemy who is in rain, doing less damage

umbral hound
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Does it have any of the effects of sunlight, or do its moves just act like it’s in the sun without the extra effects like stronger fire and weaker water?

arctic dagger
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"Uses moves as if sunndy day is in effect"

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It is not effected by sunny day

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So I'd just assume it ONLY changes the effects that Sunny day has on Moves rather than the generic effects that Sunny Day applies

pliant violet
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trailer also revealed pokemon we didn't know were in champions

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also is the cowgirl in the trailer on the recruit icon the first pokemon character with a tattoo?

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new rotom form

pliant violet
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I forget they have those

languid lichen
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they're surprisingly subtle parts of their outfits

pliant violet
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I'm plotting a team core that is not good but it is a bunch of pokemon I like with sneasler, hydrapple, and mega kangaskhan

languid lichen
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you're in luck, those are all broken-strong mons lol

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well, not hydrapple

timber vale
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iirc the tattoos show up in some art and don't in others which if I'm not wrong is actually the tattoos being temporary tattoos rather than permanent ones

languid lichen
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hydrapple is only pretty strong

timber vale
pliant violet
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for doubles, and yeah I know they're strong, mega kang is my fave mega and has historically been grossly busted

wild prairie
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I'm going to run Mega Alakazam psyspam and no one can stop me

timber vale
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saddened by mega delphox levitate

arctic dagger
pliant violet
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one thing I'm interested in seeing is how predatory the monetisation will be

pliant violet
arctic dagger
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Weird.

pliant violet
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and the pokemon home stuff always has disclaimers saying you can only transfer pokemon from home that're in champions

obtuse ravine
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they better have cyndaquil there so nobody can use it

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☺️

pliant violet
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we've also only seen pikachu in terms of not fully evolved pokemon

fickle thicket
pliant violet
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I think the idea is curating the formats since, for example, I'm pretty sure megas are the only mechanic in from launch

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that was not what the game was built on, to be clear

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was always sold to me as "purely competitive pokemon experience"

fickle thicket
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besides, they've already confirmed that it's all going to be in there

pliant violet
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I don't remember seeing teras, though that doesn't mean they didn't, and they confirmed with the ring but they didn't confirm they'd all happen at once

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I actually hope not everything is in, so we can have a reasonable lower power format

fickle thicket
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you're acting like those are somehow mutually exclusive

pliant violet
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I mean yeah by including every pokemon the format will be higher power

fickle thicket
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such a shame gamefreak hasn't invented options yet sadcowboy

pliant violet
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I'm opposed to multiple formats since that'll split the player base

sudden spade
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Reggie speaks out against Little Cup.

timber vale
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Like, i dunno if this is just me, but if Showdown didn't have multiple tiers, I don't think I would really do anything with it

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The variety is nice. Being able to have a place to use my D tier mons in an actual format is enjoyable for me

peak island
fickle thicket
pliant violet
fickle thicket
manic kindle
timber vale
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It's not like the different VGC regulations have completely split the community, no? At least not to my knowledge. Some people just prefer some over others, and that's just how it goes. I think having options is less divisive than having only one format regardless

pliant violet
timber vale
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I mean yeah but some people only play in some regulations and not others aiui, so even if not one to one I think my point still stands

pliant violet
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also considering the game is going to be used for official tournament play I'm assuming that ranked will tie to the current vgc format

fickle thicket
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As it never has before

pliant violet
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if you're refferring to ranked within the games that kinda supports my point, for only having a single format

fickle thicket
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Yeah only doubles and also singles and also not tied into the current regulation but otherwise it's just like formal competitive

pliant violet
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regardless, I'm keen to see how champions is when it comes out, very dependent on how predatory it is but also I'm keen for the mobile portion to release

fickle thicket
pliant violet
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oh there's gonna be doubles and singles in champions

fickle thicket
pliant violet
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that much is confirmed, I'm just more concerned about different mon pool formats

fickle thicket
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If they release the everything game and immediately come out the gate saying "by the way you can't use everything actually. Because we say so." I think that might have some kind of impact on the playerbase maybe

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For people who care enough about competitive for these things to really matter, they've already got smogon to do essentially the same but infinitely more and for free

manic kindle
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they never said it was the everything game?

fickle thicket
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They absolutely announced all battle mechanics are going to be in there

pliant violet
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eventually sure but that never was presented as the core focus

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atm mechanically the focus is sadly on megas

fickle thicket
manic kindle
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smogon also has its own fair share of problems im happy to avoid

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i like playing on Cart and outside of some monetization issues im also hoping for fewer queues and such

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good chance to rotate modes and such

pliant violet
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also if I can be honest, I'm mostly interested for me, as someone looking to get into more competitive stuff

pliant violet
pliant violet
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lots of cool stuff that they can do

manic kindle
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mostly worry that people will try going into this hoping this is the 30 format everything game with no problems and bounce off it hard when its not that

pliant violet
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I'm hoping it starts with something similar to reg h, a post nat dex no legends type format

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also off structural issues, does dragonize seem kinda bad to anyone else?

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like dragon is not a good offensive type

languid lichen
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it's a nearly unresisted type

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fairy had to be added because dragon was the most powerful offensive type in the game

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nearly unresisted STAB extremespeed is fine.

fickle thicket
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Does Feraligatr even get good normal moves to enjoy the dragon STAB with

languid lichen
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feraligatr? i thought this was for dragonite

pliant violet
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rich has more hit on what I meant to say

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mega feralifatr

fickle thicket
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Feralifatr

languid lichen
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but yes feraligatr gets body slam and double edge

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depending on whether it wants to be a stallbreaker or a nuke button

timber vale
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Nothing ground-breaking but also pixilate hyper voice worked fine and hyper voice has no secondary effects and only 90 bp

languid lichen
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i don't know whether doubles cares more about the nuke button or not, but

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144 bp stab moves are, historically, pretty fucking good

timber vale
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85 with para chance or 120 with recoil should probably be fine

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Oh yeah 1.2 multiplier

languid lichen
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was 1.3x in gen 6 lmao

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had to be nerfed because pixilate hyper voice was broken

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and aerilate return

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...and aerilate quick attack

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mostly aerilate quick attack, but all of it

timber vale
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The -ate abilities are quite strong yeah

pliant violet
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I'm trying to think how to complement the core I wanna build, but not knowing what's in the game is making it a little difficult

languid lichen
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it's kanga, sneasler, hydrapple

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you can make a dragon fairy steel core

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it's not The Meta anymore, but it'll never be bad

pliant violet
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that's probably a good idea yeah

languid lichen
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i imagine that at least every mega and most gen 9 mons will be present

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which lets you run like, base scizor or some shit if you want

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as an attacker

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or corviknight/gholdengo/heatran/kingambit

pliant violet
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oh I could run the awful string cheese man you're right

languid lichen
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and then your team is the applejacks men, mkanga as a wallbreaker, and sneasler

arctic dagger
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Dragonate seems very good to me

languid lichen
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and you're weak to enemy sneaslers, so you run like

arctic dagger
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Like at worst you can just use Thrash as Super-Outrage

languid lichen
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i dunno, great tusk and a psychic type?