#POKÉMON CENTER
round perch
umbral hound
The early games assumed you would be rotating out your teams, but as the narrative leaned harder into "these are your sworn friends" they didn't want your sworn friends to have to be replaced.
Although there are still mons like Wugtrio which feel designed to become obsolete.
pliant violet
well wugtrio suffers by just being dugtrio again
arctic dagger
Without the only (Mechanically) interesting part of dugtrio(Arena Trap)
pliant violet
interesting is a strong term there even
languid lichen
compelling, at least
arctic dagger
I'll add the "Mechanically" part
XD
I think mechanics like Arena Trap create some interesting pressure valves in a lot of metas
In that they're not that hard to counter but you have to actually want to
Arena Trap/Magnet Pull are interesting to me, Shadow Tag is not
magnet pull being the most interesting, shadow tag the least
mellow robin
shadow tag is more interesting to me on gothitelle than on wobbuffet
timber vale
Doesn't arena trap effectively do the same thing as shadow tag
Just with a different type being immune to the effects
mellow robin
ghost types are immune to all trapping effects, iirc
not just shadow tag
arena trap and flying types is on top of that
timber vale
I assume also levitate mons
pliant violet
I actually like perishtrap teams so I cannot judge
languid lichen
Just with a different type being immune to the effects
yes
arctic dagger
Shadow Tag didn't have ghost types immune to it pre gen-6
Which was mostly when I was using Arena Trap tbh
My competitive pokemon experience was mostly gen 4-5, although I've done... Casual competitive ever since?
XD
timber vale
I actually like perishtrap teams so I cannot judge
I watched 2 Wolfe Glick videos and now perish trap is my favorite thing
pliant violet
how do you feel about inceroar
timber vale
I don't play VGC so I don't have any strong opinions on it competitively
I do not like it design-wise though
pliant violet
this user hates pro wrestling
timber vale
this user hates pro wrestling
It just doesn't aesthetically appeal to me very much unfortunately
timber vale
It just doesn't aesthetically appeal to me very much unfortunately
Like the story and the beating the shit out of each other is appealing but also it just visually doesn't hit for me
pliant violet
does anyone have opinions on hydrapple
arctic dagger
One of the better dragon types
Most dragons are just "Yeah that's a dragon alright. I bet it breathes fire at me."
umbral hound
Hydrapple is funny, and I personally believe that Kieran's Hydrapple goes Tera Fighting because of a typo or misread planning note and was supposed to be Tera Fire.
That is my personal conspiracy theory. I have no evidence for it and I believe it wholeheartedly.
pliant violet
tera fighting tera blast is pretty good though
though fighting doesn't help with fairies hmm
arctic dagger
Fighting also still weak to flying
languid lichen
they might have just tunnel visioned into "type that beats ice" and decided fighting Was Fine For That
arctic dagger
Yeah
pliant violet
also possible
languid lichen
even though it uh
loses to fairy and flying and is resisted by bug and poison and doesn't do anything to other dragons
pliant violet
tera fighting goes well with bodypress sets on it
languid lichen
mission accomplished
it's very funny that there are two Obviously Correct options for a strong but telegraphed hydrapple tera and fighting's the polar opposite of both of them, though
pliant violet
fickle beam, pollen puff, body press, energy ball, assault vest is like, a defendable set in vgc
with tera fighting
yes fickle beam is inconsistent but average out to base 104 with no real downside
languid lichen
yeah but i don't think the story set used any of that
it runs fuckin
gyro ball and tera blast
i don't think it's even vested
pliant violet
it is vested
fickle beam, tera blast, earth power, gyro ball, assault vest
tera blast and gyro ball are definitely iffy
but I think in reg h, really the only time hydrapple was usable in vgc, earth power was one of it's most common moves
languid lichen
ah i see
pliant violet
it's a fun mon, I like it a lot
I mean you basically have to run it in trick room, or play aroud with it's bulk but it does have a lot of that between assault vest, it's stats, and regenerator
timber vale
So many of my favorite mons are x4 weak to something
pliant violet
it makes for stronger identities or something
timber vale
Volcarona, Garchomp, Gliscor, Hydrapple, Breloom
pliant violet
breloom?
oh flying
duh
3 of the 5 are 4x to ice, really make you think
I also like the 3 that're 4x to ice
pliant violet
scrafty
pliant violet
all pokemon with strong identities
timber vale
True
Maybe competitive is a lie
Maybe all that matters is that I like my blorbos
Maybe I should play UU
arctic dagger
4x weaknesses are often perfectly fine on high offense Pokemon because the 2x weakness usually kills you anyway
So who cares if you're dead or double dead
timber vale
4x weaknesses are often perfectly fine on high offense Pokemon because the 2x we...
Unfortunately Wo-Chien likes to be double dead to the most common pivot move in the game
pliant violet
it's... ruined
timber vale
If i account for every single mon that runs U turn
Maybe I can make a team that uses wo-chien by countering everything that fucks it
...and for what.
So it can leech seed a single pokemon?
arctic dagger
This is a pretty common method of team building but uh
It has to be something worth building around
timber vale
Maybe I can try Camo Move Chaos or whatever it's called
arctic dagger
That can win as long as it doesn't get countered
timber vale
The one that's camomons natdex but everything gets whatever moves it wants
pliant violet
I'm just patiently awaiting champions
languid lichen
Maybe I can try Camo Move Chaos or whatever it's called
you can just try regular camomons
dunno how good live wo-chien reaction is there, but
timber vale
you can just try regular camomons
Monthly OM iirc, not sure it sticks around
pliant violet
had a nap and felt inspired to fuck about team building around the big apple in vgc reg h https://pokepast.es/c61ec08a891c6044
Tera Steel
likely lead of sneasler and one of the TR setters depending how offensive I feel the need to be
considering swapping out protect on sneasler for a pivot move, pretty sure it gets u-turn
first time I think I ever built for vgc, not just stealing a team
so there will absolutely be flaws
also considered reuinclus for one of the tr setter slots, in part to be part of a regenerator switch
deft path
by Gloria la Escosesa
arctic dagger
Translation?
worldly plume
Berries...?
arctic dagger
Hoenn gets berries from the ground, Galar gets them from punching rodents?
deft path
Translation?
Harvesting berries in hoenn:
"Now in 5 hours my lil berries will grow :3"
(idiot doesn't have RTC)
Harvesting berries in Galar:
"GIMME MY BERRIES! I SAW THEM FIRST!"
"AUGUHHHH MY DICK"
worldly plume
Rest in peace for that Greedent's berries
worldly plume
Left more than a dent with that punch
blissful needle
azure crane
pliant violet
guess who was reminded of this
website for those who partake https://cajunavenger.github.io/?mode=1
filled every square even if I did not like any option, each square is filled without context of other types i.e. something didn't get disadvantaged because it won another type, and it's all full evos representing the whole line bar one exception
round perch
The early games assumed you would be rotating out your teams, but as the narrati...
I think we've gotten less and less Pokémon that feel like you can cast them aside. Like more mons that have some sort of innate personality to cling onto.
karmic imp
ZUllie likes zubat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zm_ug6EQXg
runic umbra
shocking
although who doesn't
also it's strange to hear Zullie talk.
but in a good way.
karmic imp
She really does the "gloomy"/calm speaking well
blissful needle
although who doesn't
crobat the goat
azure crane
Sad that SV didn't have the Zubat line.
quaint hollow
Woah. Pokemon thread
manic kindle
they're little heart bats!
manic kindle
Woah. Pokemon thread
welcome!
quaint hollow
Given we didnt have a new bat until woobat i feel. Woobat is fine
runic umbra
it's hard to improve on peak
swoobat is maybe a bit of a boring direction to take it in
also it feels like a middle stage
arctic dagger
Swoobat deserves a final form yeah
I'm imagining something fuzzy and majestic, like a bat that looks like it's standing up wearing a fur coat
runic umbra
I do think there's something interesting about the ears converging
arctic dagger
I'm thinking pull on vampire imagery but keep the friendly colors and overall cuteness
runic umbra
or go full menace but keep the snoot
manic kindle
i do like the idea of like, Lovely Vampire / Noble Vampire vibes
lean into the fancy clothes look
maybe make the ears look like a lil crown
arctic dagger
Could do a split Evo, a psychic/flying cute vampire and a psychic/dark noble one
runic umbra
I'd prefer a more animalistic direction tbh
arctic dagger
Or something like that
quaint hollow
Final form is the paolumu from monster hunter
runic umbra
I don't like it when the animals suddenly become more humanlike.
looks at torracat/incineroar
quaint hollow
I like incin
runic umbra
I wanted a big kittycat
not tony the tiger on fire
arctic dagger
I was thinking a little stretched so it could stand and look like it's wearing a white fur coat, but still clearly a bat
But definitely the color and vibes of the paplumu
Paolumu
round perch
I just think swoobat is ugly.
arctic dagger
I could see the opposite direction too, squish it even more and make it a big ball of fluff with giant bat wings and just the snoot poking out of the fluff
round perch
That's just me.
runic umbra
it's a bit of a mess
round perch
We got Noibat right after anyway.
runic umbra
honestly a lot of gen5 designs are
arctic dagger
It's too detailed for what it is imo
quaint hollow
I like gen 5
arctic dagger
If you smudged it a bit, it would work a lot better I think
round perch
I love Noibat so much.
runic umbra
Gen5 has some really great designs but also a lot more duds if you ask me
arctic dagger
Noibat and noivern are great
Gen5 when it fails, it's usually because it's trying too hard imo
languid lichen
liepard my beloved
arctic dagger
They're almost all great designs but some of them feel too much to be good Pokemon designs
runic umbra
I think gen5 doesn't try hard enough
or it starts promising and fumbles the evolutions
It does have my beloved Yamask tho
runic umbra
oh, and chandelure
round perch
I definitely think Gen 5 was a shift in art direction that they hadn't figured out yet.
sullen mesa
gen 5 is when they brought in some new designers, iirc
i remember golurk is designed by an American artist
pliant violet
I'm imagining something fuzzy and majestic, like a bat that looks like it's stan...
upside down furry coat flexing
arctic dagger
EXACTLY
pliant violet
sullen mesa
wtf is this gif from lol this is great
umbral hound
I think it's from the SwSh promo mini-series?
...also, I'm thinking about N again. And it is very funny to me that N is, canonically, a Yapper. You would expect a mysterious prince mostly raised by pokemon to be quiet and not talk very much, but not only does he talk a lot, he talks rapidly.
It's very easy to write him as being quiet! It makes sense with his base personality traits! But that is a mistake. He talks a lot and he talks faster than everybody around him (as in, his text speed is actually higher than what you've set the text speed for the rest of the game at).
But the boy gives speeches. he just like me fr fr
snow cobalt
snow cobalt
...also, I'm thinking about N again. And it is very funny to me that N is, cano...
boy breaks the speed limit
pliant violet
wtf is this gif from lol this is great
Think it’s from the SwSh anime
sullen mesa
thank you!
pliant violet
when champions drops I hope mega golisopod gets a good ability, I will build around that mfer
pliant violet
and typing
pliant violet
hell so long as it loses emergency exit it becomes a lot more impressive
pliant violet
give it tough claws or even like shell armour
languid lichen
so much better than most mons made out with PLZA
pliant violet
either of those makes it so real
umbral hound
Random thoughts: Team Plasma dresses like knights to evoke an image of returning to a past world when "humans did not exploit Pokemon, calling on their aid only in times of dire need, not carelessly controlling their lives". Yes, I know that in the Pokemon canon battling has existed for a very long time, but it wouldn't be the first time a call was made to return to an entirely ahistorical past.
pliant violet
in a true and based world they give mega golisopod water bubble
languid lichen
okay but zchomp is fun at least
if they didn't just
fuck it over and remove ground for no reason
it'd be good
pliant violet
in a true and based world they give mega golisopod water bubble
weaken that 4x fire weakness, improve it's water moves even while changing type
umbral hound
...seriously, they wear ersatz padded armor in Black/White (though their outfit is totally different in B2/W2).
pliant violet
their motivations between games are entirely different
the orgs while sharing a name are fundamentally different entities
umbral hound
Well, they also share a lot of members. It's all very weird. But I can absolutely believe that their initial medieval theming is built around some sort of manufactured "return to tradition" angle, and then in b2/w2 the jig is up and nobody new is joining the group so they switch to outfits that are actually stealthier and more protective.
languid lichen
yeah, that tracks
...god
i'm thinking about the Z megas again
absol's is peak
it's so stupid looking, i love it
and dark/ghost
and i really like that all three Zs have the same base speed
i hope they get to stick around in main
and that chomp's gives it an ability that can pull it out of "0 atk boost, loses ground"
languid lichen
that would go crazy
i would, in fact, accept 141 spatk 151 spe dragon's maw Zchomp
pliant violet
give up ground stab, in exchange fucking murder everything not a fairy
languid lichen
there are some steels that don't crumple!
timber vale
there are *some* steels that don't crumple!
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
pliant violet
I do not like megas but if they must exist I hope there is one that is good that I can fuck about with
sudden spade
I like the concept of megas but I dislike the choices they make for them.
They're so rarely 'make a bad pokemon good' (And even when they are, they rarely manage it) and often more 'Make a good pokemon meta'
timber vale
Imo, megas honestly shouldn't even be a "make a bad pokemon good" thing unless they're at a point where a normal evolution just would not make sense
sudden spade
Oh yeah, i'm talking stuff like Beedril where it has the full 3 already so going beyond in evolutions would be...weird.
timber vale
Yeah
pliant violet
I like the *concept* of megas but I dislike the choices they make for them.
See I think we all misunderstand the concept game freak has for them, because they keep doing it
timber vale
Even in cases of 2 stage lines that seem complete, they can still have something fitting
Many things can be said about Kingambit but I don't think it's completely disjointed or anything
pliant violet
Anyway give mega golisopod water bubble you cowards
timber vale
See I think we all misunderstand the concept game freak has for them, because th...
Pyroar with +20 across the board was fucking baffling
Genuinely unexplainable with any sort of logic or reason
pliant violet
Anyway give mega golisopod water bubble you cowards
It’ll be so cool and I can actually make that the centrepiece of a team
Liquidation hit so hard makes your world shake
karmic imp
You should be able to get alternate mega stones in the sane game
languid lichen
Pyroar with +20 across the board was fucking baffling
it's fucked up because while gen 6 megas weren't always hits, literally none of them were as deliberately ass as pyroar
they were all earnest attempts to either make the mon better at being itself or give it something new and flashy to do
even the bad ones like glalie and abomasnow
sudden spade
As an aside: Come on gamefreak, stop being cowards and give Castform forms based on the other weather conditions too. It's a shitty pokemon, let it at least be a shitty pokemon that can use all the weather conditions, when it's entire thing is form changing based on weather conditions
sudden spade
Sand or Winds.
languid lichen
(please. just give it a sand form and an evo)
oh right mray's wind exists
...and also, fuck it
give it forms for thick fog and cave darkness
or at least fog
sudden spade
Like I know it's a gimmick pokemon but...come on. Make the gimmick pokemon you have actually fully engage with their gimmick
timber vale
they were all earnest attempts to either make the mon better at being itself or ...
Even Mega Audino probably sucked less than Pyroar on a conceptual level
I wish Archeops wasn't dogshit...
It's not like every mon needs a place in the meta
sudden spade
Also: You gave Rayquaza a mega. Give some of the shitty legendaries a mega. Mega Regigigas.
timber vale
It's not like every mon needs a place in the meta
But I wanna at least try to ladder with like, an RUBL shitmon instead of a Slaking tier ass-fest
languid lichen
Even Mega Audino probably sucked less than Pyroar on a conceptual level
mega audino has a cracked typing and got great stats
healer is
nonexistent for singles, of course
but outside of giving it like 20 more moves and fluffy this was probably the best audino buff it could ask for
it just also needs those moves
timber vale
Yeah
pliant violet
Also: You gave Rayquaza a mega. Give some of the *shitty* legendaries a mega. Me...
a mega that didn't require a stone
timber vale
Hrm
I wonder if you could do anything interesting with Ultra Beast megas
pliant violet
just knowing it's signature move, that you were gonna give it anyway
timber vale
a mega that didn't require a stone
That was the craziest part
pliant violet
without mega, ray cannot compete in vgc
with it it's pretty solidly the best thing to do
simply too many numbers
languid lichen
Hrm
I wonder if you could do anything interesting with Ultra Beast megas
easily
they have designs that lend themselves very well to ostentatious extensions
timber vale
I mean yeah but I guess I'm moreso musing on what way you could take it
timber vale
they have designs that lend themselves very well to ostentatious extensions
Yeah, just off of the top of my head, I can immediately imagine a Mega for like, half of them
languid lichen
...each UB has two mega forms - these forms use other UBs' stones, which are those UBs
for example
nihilego gets "access" to pheromosa and xurkitree
pliant violet
fusion
timber vale
Xurkitree with Blacephalon please
languid lichen
yes
pliant violet
you're describing fusion
languid lichen
yes
fusion but as a bespoke in-battle transformation
and, y'know, only two fusions allowed
timber vale
Going with something more conventional would still have a ton to work with
languid lichen
ye
timber vale
Going with something more conventional would still have a ton to work with
I'm going to try and come up with megas for Xurkitree and Blacephalon because they're my favorite "this too, is yuri" duo
runic umbra
It's very easy to write him as being quiet! It makes sense with his base person...
That mini series passed me by back in the day.
From the games themselves I never got that strong of an impression of N.
I do not like Gen5 overall, but in hindsight I've noticed they were experimenting a bit with their maps, creature designs and storytelling.
languid lichen
gen 5 my beloved
timber vale
I'm going to try and come up with megas for Xurkitree and Blacephalon because th...
Okay so first we put 50 in sp. atk and 50 in speed for Xurkitree-
/j
languid lichen
I'm going to try and come up with megas for Xurkitree and Blacephalon because th...
i'm sorry, you cannot convince me that xurkitree, the UB evoking guzma, is a yuri icon
that mon is too Skrunkly Bisexual Depressed Man
meowmeow-coded
timber vale
i'm sorry, you cannot convince me that xurkitree, the UB evoking guzma, is a yur...
(Almost) everything i like is yuri
I like Blacephalon and Xurkitree
75% chance of being yuri
runic umbra
I was pretty disappointed by the map designs of gen5 at the time and didn't like how they mashed markets and pokemon centers together. Also while I do like the idea of gyms having a secondary purpose, I felt like it made some cities feel really small.
timber vale
that mon is too Skrunkly Bisexual Depressed Man
That's fair
I might genuinely just be completely brainrotted ngl the only media I've consumed recently is yuri manga and yuri fanfiction
languid lichen
I was pretty disappointed by the map designs of gen5 at the time and didn't like...
i loved that it made gyms feel like they were actually part of their cities
pliant violet
I think those last two points were expanded on well in later gens
languid lichen
part of the culture, and not just shaping the culture around themselves
runic umbra
i loved that it made gyms feel like they were actually part of their cities
Gen8 had kind of the opposite problem
languid lichen
and unova is the gen that started that trend
pliant violet
particularly the gyms thing comes in strong with giving gym leaders another job
timber vale
I might genuinely just be completely brainrotted ngl the only media I've consume...
Oh also the games that I read yuri fanfiction for.
I... need to touch grass a little bit, I think
runic umbra
All I know about yuri is that everything's yuri except when it's not.
pliant violet
and even then
languid lichen
Gen8 had kind of the opposite problem
i am. not a fan of gen 8, but i know that's a broadly unpopular opinion on this discord
runic umbra
I think Gen8 is less bad than people say, but I do have my issues with it
pliant violet
idk how broad it is, I am just vocal and a moderate fan of gen 8
languid lichen
i think that the side characters just being "what if we did Literally The Exact Same Thing Again" without even hiding it, is extraordinarily frustrating
runic umbra
Oh, the story's bad
languid lichen
hop is just hau, marnie is visually just marley
pliant violet
I think the hau hop comparison is overdone and also misses a lot of nuance that the characters have
runic umbra
I get the skull vs yell comparisons tho
languid lichen
there is (poorly-written, but that's a lot of pokemon) nuance, yeah, but it's the same model on a character with the same expressions and poses and a similar archetype and a Strong League Dad
and if any of these base attributes were different
i would be less annoyed by it
like, hau's relationship to hala and hop's to leon are completely different...but the initial presentation in conjunction with the rest peeved me
pliant violet
hau also like... doesn't find another path
languid lichen
a lot of the story and character archetypes and presentation are just gen 7 again but sanded down, which is a twofold pain point
pliant violet
hop decides being a researcher is much more his speed but hau continues on being a trainer and probably becomes a kahuna
languid lichen
(both being a copy and being more frictionless)
pliant violet
I actually like that they had a character that decided "hey no, this isn't for me, I don't gotta prove shit to no one"
Hop's arc is kinda empowering
runic umbra
hau also like... doesn't find another path
I do think Hau has the advantage that his rivalry with your character is not that much of a focus next to lilys story.
languid lichen
it's a good twist for what is initially very heavily pushed as a clone-character rival
pliant violet
hau also has a reason to stick to the path, in that he's not chasing someone he's upholding tradition
doing grandpa proud
languid lichen
mostly i just think that gen 7 has a lot of good writing to it and i wish that GF hadn't noticed that
because of all the places where they wanted to Do It Again
runic umbra
hau also has a reason to stick to the path, in that he's not chasing someone he'...
Also honestly you can still be a fighter without chasing the top.
languid lichen
instead of going somewhere else entirely
pliant violet
Yell would've been more interesting if they'd committed harder to gen 8 as the sports region
remove all apocalypse type shit
or alternately, remove villain team entirely from the region
go even harder on sports region
languid lichen
if the archetype of team yell was literally just the racist british sports guys that would be funnier
pliant violet
the gym challenge is the selling point
languid lichen
but unfitting
pliant violet
if the archetype of team yell was literally just the racist british sports guys ...
ultras?
runic umbra
I do like team yell
runic umbra
but yeah, they're not distinct enough
languid lichen
i can never remember that term
pliant violet
I don't like team yell and the suffer greatly from team skull comparisons, who are my favourite villains
it's ok topple I have terminal sports brain
languid lichen
team skull is peak
runic umbra
no doubt
languid lichen
alola good
runic umbra
ye
pliant violet
very widely agreed to be so, yep
languid lichen
while obviously the team skull and aether foundation thing wasn't like
a surprise
runic umbra
Alola also has fun traversal
pliant violet
it was more of a twist than pokemon had gone for, unless you consider ghetsis using N as a figurehead
languid lichen
the double twist of "here's the evil team...actually they're just depressed outcast teenagers that society has fundamentally failed"
"but also there is an evil team that's been using them as a smokescreen"
runic umbra
One thing that bugs me about gen 5 and 6 is the artificial feel of their maps
languid lichen
is a fun gesture
pliant violet
this guy hates france
languid lichen
i remember literally nothing of gen 6's map
runic umbra
exactly
languid lichen
gen 5's felt more distinctive to me
runic umbra
meh
languid lichen
but i just had a lot of fun with its desert
pliant violet
I don't like the dividing it into sections
languid lichen
helps that i adore the sandile line, and dwebble/crustle
and maractus
and larvesta/volcarona
runic umbra
Gen5 really has a thing for bridges
languid lichen
it was a theme for sure
and i like that it was a theme, in theory
but i do wish that BW/2 weren't the games where GF went "WAOG CHECK THIS NEW CAMERA TECH"
pliant violet
it was a metaphor about bridging gaps
languid lichen
because it felt too shoehorned
i will also say, i love the shadow triad's design lol
pliant violet
also new york, which unova is, has a bunch of famous bridges
languid lichen
yeah
pliant violet
bridges are important to nyc
languid lichen
like i said, i absolutely like the bridge theme in theory
what i wish is that the game didn't acknowledge the bridges thing as much
and just made them part of the scenery
something you were encouraged to notice yourself, as opposed to setpieces
i also wish that there was even more urban sprawl, tbh
pliant violet
this user wants to be in lumiose
languid lichen
i will also say, i love the shadow triad's design lol
but anyway these guys are sick with it
big ups
runic umbra
I just think the bridges made a lot of the traversal boring
Press left D-Pad for a minute to progress type shit
languid lichen
aura farming bozos
runic umbra
look at our cool new 3D asset we can do now
languid lichen
very slutty ninja outfit
runic umbra
I'm sorry but I hate bisharp.
boring design.
languid lichen
wrong
runic umbra
no u
languid lichen
nothing wrong with disliking it but it's a goated design
pliant violet
how do you feel about pawniard and kingambit?
I think pawniard is by far the strongest design in the line
languid lichen
i wish pawniard had one little extra bit of kibble somewhere, but i like it a lot otherwise
kingambit is whatever
runic umbra
pawniard is a lil scamp. I like them
languid lichen
too wide for my taste
languid lichen
too exaggerated
pliant violet
I think bisharp was a lot worse before kingambit
pliant violet
because it did have awkward middle stage energy
runic umbra
Bisharp is just a tokusatsu guy
languid lichen
in favor of big dumbass head-sword
pliant violet
and now that's justified
runic umbra
what does kingambit look like
runic umbra
I don't hate it
pliant violet
that thing it's sitting on? it's tail
languid lichen
i definitely hate it lol
pliant violet
pawniard and bisharp always felt like counterparts to scraggy and scrafty to me
languid lichen
mad that the axeblade crest gets turned into the dragonslayer from the berserk meme
and i do not like the stache
without those two pieces i'd like it more, but
pliant violet
pawniard and bisharp always felt like counterparts to scraggy and scrafty to me
and they're always losing that comparison
languid lichen
the problem is that those are the centerpiece
runic umbra
Kingambit has some flavour. I do likevthe stache. The loss of armblades is a bit sad but I do like the inspiration behind it
languid lichen
and they're always losing that comparison
nah bro goes hard
the pauldrons really pop in this shot
the BW anime was what really sold me on it
runic umbra
I will say it being a middle stage helps
runic umbra
I don't hate it anymore
pliant violet
but when it capped out at that it felt wrong
timber vale
I really like Bisharp
runic umbra
also it's not the worst sword themed design
timber vale
I just wish Kingambit wasn't. Kingambit.
pliant violet
a sword based team would contain a lot of steel types while a gun based team would, I think, have more type diversity
in this essay I will argue
runic umbra
I like honedge and am okay with its evolution, but the final one is so ass
pliant violet
aegislash?
timber vale
Aegislash is fucking peak
pliant violet
tal rejects the concept of a shield
runic umbra
it's not that
timber vale
I just wish Kingambit wasn't. Kingambit.
It just. Looks ugly. And I feel like it diverges just. A lot, in a way that just doesn't feel as fitting as Pawniard to Bisharp
runic umbra
it's the worse handle, the loss of the funny mouth and just something about how the colors are used
I just think aegislash loses personality
timber vale
...mouth?
runic umbra
doublade is also not perfect
but it IS more sword
pliant violet
the white bit below the eyes?
runic umbra
ye
pliant violet
above the triskellion
timber vale
the white bit below the eyes?
It has one eye
pliant violet
it has 3
timber vale
The blue one
pliant violet
mouth
timber vale
I still don't really see a mouth
runic umbra
mouth
pliant violet
it can be multiple things
runic umbra
it has a funny lil grin
timber vale
Can someone like. Circle it
worldly plume
Wait a sec
runic umbra
worldly plume
Can someone like. Circle it
timber vale
I just wish Kingambit wasn't. Kingambit.
I wish it went further on the decently sleek design or something
runic umbra
I do like the faux face. it sells it more as a sort of mimic
pliant violet
which is less mobile
runic umbra
part of my issue with the pawniard line is that I didn't get the chess connotation until I read the english names
runic umbra
part of my issue with the pawniard line is that I didn't get the chess connotati...
from what I remember the german naming scheme was based on the roman legion, which added to the confusion
timber vale
aiui kingambit is also referencing a specific set of armour
Fair enough
I just don't like how it looks i guess
runic umbra
mad that the axeblade crest gets turned into the dragonslayer from the berserk m...
can opener head
runic umbra
I think the hau hop comparison is overdone and also misses a lot of nuance that ...
Hop's in a bit of a weird spot since Gen8 gives you two direct rivals. Hop is established better but Bede's just more fun.
karmic imp
I like gourgeist
soft isleBOT
New ability: Tactical Retreat
ReggiesWarOnEverything (He) ↩️
languid lichen
tactical retreat - emergency exit except it's also regenerator
soft isleBOT
That seems like a bit much
languid lichen
that's about what i was thinking, yeah
it'd almost definitely be far too good lol
as my experience with regen goli in...several assorted multi-ability metas and mashups has proven
but
it's fun to poast
soft isleBOT
It should be noted that Emergency Exit can activate multiple times in one battle if golisopod gets healed
sullen mesa
Pyroar with +20 across the board was fucking baffling
bros gonna get huge power bet
sullen mesa
Like I know it's a gimmick pokemon but...come on. Make the gimmick pokemon you h...
cries in vivillion
karmic imp
Vivillion has a gimmick?
sullen mesa
not in the recent games, its form locked
still, castform not getting sand is robbery
arctic dagger
I think most of the pokemon that get like a form gimmick often only have it in their home game?
Like does the confusion bear actually have 75647657 forms in anything other than whatever game it started in?
sullen mesa
how dare you forget spinda (joking)
its only been in BDSP and go since, so i still think so (go reduced it to only 9)
azure crane
And you can't transfer it from BDSP because they fucked up the spot generation.
It still has the moving spots, but they're based on the personality number using big endian instead of little endian like it was supposed to, so now they're trapped.
sullen mesa
I think most of the pokemon that get like a form gimmick often only have it in t...
i guess we can't have the 30 alcremies anymore
azure crane
I thought you could make different Alcremies in SV.
umbral hound
You can!
and there's not 30. There's 54.
(Not counting the seven shiny forms.)
wait, no, 63. I miscounted.
sullen mesa
oh you still can? sick
umbral hound
...I am suddenly vividly imagining someone within the pokemon universe complaining about how the (original) Team Plasma uniforms only tangentially resemble any actual historical garb, in that they're sort of like padded armor to wear under mail, but with janky coverage. (This is not a failure of the games! This is a failure of the characters within the games, and a very logical one.)
Also, a few facts about N:
- N is very verbose, just in general.
- It's highly probable that N would never have learned how to type, because why would he have learned that? Team Plasma is doing a whole pseudo-Medievalism thing, and he's being isolated from the outside world. So he's probably technologically illiterate, and even though he's smart and would pick up the fundamentals quickly, touch-typing is a muscle memory thing.
- N is kind of sort of a fugitive from the law, and so would probably prefer not to broadcast his face or voice for online conversation.
round perch
umbral hound
anyway N would not enjoy online conversations because he'd be stuck hunt-and-pecking his way through paragraphs of text. And he can't just not talk that much, because what if someone misunderstands him?
I'm just imagining him discovering the internet, finding some thread with someone asking why their pokemon is acting weird (with a video of the weird behavior), and then slowly typing out a very detailed, formally-written paragraph which explains exactly what's wrong. And inadvertently convince a bunch of people online that he's some 80-year-old retired pokemon breeder or something.
round perch
I hope he returns eventually.
umbral hound
so do I. I wasn't expecting him to be a Blueberry teacher (especially since he is canonically Not In Unova) but it would have been amazing if he was.
you know he signs his messages like they're handwritten letters.
bright cargo
Old-ass phpbb forum banner signature with links to his favorite Essay Posts he's written
umbral hound
I think he would do that if he knew how, but instead he types like an 80-year-old. He has an entirely default profile. Because, like... what he would want to do with a computer is one thing, but I genuinely think that until after B/W1, he's probably never actually used one, beyond maybe making voice calls with the xtransciever? There is a 0% chance Ghetsis let him see the internet, after all.
sullen mesa
I hope he returns eventually.
requires gen 5 to not be shoved aside (cries in gen fiver)
pretty sure since this was the gen that did the worst, they're gonna skip over it
not like, fully blacklist everything in it, but not make a gen 5 remake
sullen mesa
sorry
another gen 1 remake, this time for mobile, be upon ye (i'm making shit up here)
near flower
honestly hope they never remake gen 5 but im really anti remake these days
especially with how ugly bdsp looked
pliant violet
The gen4 remake was delayed too
near flower
certain things are free with your computer and a little google searching 😌
umbral hound
I mean, they did reference gen 5 pretty heavily in Blueberry Academy, and not just by setting the DLC in Unova.
soft isleBOT
azure crane
runic umbra
https://bsky.app/profile/junebuns.bsky.social/post/3m7l6xhanvs27
honestly an underappreciated design. such a silly goober
soft isleBOT
sullen mesa
goomy event in tcg pocket we stay winning
azure crane
obtuse ravine
🥹
manic kindle
its nob!! nob kicked my ass in a nuzlocke recently </3
umbral hound
I have an idea for a pokemon... and I face a fork in the road. Down one path is a fast Ice-type physical attacker. Down the other is a physically defensively statted Normal/Ice type. I can't decide which fits the concept better.
umbral hound
It's a dog. The base stage (tentatively Snowmeranian) is a puppy whose fur is completely covered in snow so it looks like dog head, legs, and tail poking out of a pair of snowballs, and the evolution (currently nameless) is some sort of Huskie or Malamute-like dog with ice crystals in its fur.
I could even see a fast aggressive Normal/Ice type, hypothetically. It would not be good but it would be possible.
languid lichen
for both narrative and mechanical reasons, i would certainly suggest fast over bulky
but I would also suggest against normal
there's already a Bulky, Fluffy Normal Type Dog pokemon
umbral hound
To be clear, I know Normal/Ice is an atrocious typing.
languid lichen
(furfrou)
and there's already a Fast Bruiser Fluffy Normal Dog Pokemon
(stoutland)
umbral hound
I don't think it's anywhere near as fluffy-looking as Furfrou or Stoutland. The ice crystals on the evolved form could make it more... streamlined?
Almost like Lycanroc, sort of.
languid lichen
this is reasonable, but that's a lot of normal type dog
where otherwise keeping it mono (or other duo) ice would invite less comparison
umbral hound
I think mono-ice makes sense. My rough lore is that the pre-evo traps snow in its fur to keep its core warm, and the evolved form have special hairs that absorb heat, helping keep the body warm and creating a layer of protective ice around parts of their body.
...abilities probably have to be Intimidate, Slush Rush, and hidden ability Stamina which would never be used but you can't not have a sled dog have some kind of ability like Stamina.
exotic garden
I think Normal/Ice isn't the worst as an offensive typing if it has strong Normal STAB as an option
it's not like Ice can get much worse defensively anyways
umbral hound
Yeah, and Normal has some strong offensive moves like Hyper Voice and Return.
exotic garden
Return sadly no longer exists 😔
umbral hound
alas. It does sort of leave physical normal types in a slightly rough spot.
It could be a special attacker though. Something something dog something something beam attack
I feel like something deep in my soul is crying out that this mon should be mediocre, though, and I don't know why. It certainly doesn't deserve it.
exotic garden
you can split the difference and make its good ability a hidden ability, if you want the vibe of a weird middling pokemon you find 2/3rds of the way through the game, and still have it have some kind of niche
something like Stamina as a base ability and Slush Rush as a hidden ability
umbral hound
Yeah that seems fair. It also might have Intimidate since most dogs have that.
umbral hound
Or make the pre-evo into a weird middling nothingburger which evolves into something good with an Ice Stone or something.
pliant violet
I personally hate hidden abilities
sullen mesa
ice/ground to compete with mamoswine
umbral hound
I. Hm.
That doesn't feel quite right. Partially because I think it's as white as driven snow.
I know that they love to run long distances even through deep snow, so they're usually used as sled dogs. Also the stuff about their special hairs absorbing heat from the air around them.
...do they run through snow, or can they walk on top of even thin layers of snow? Both make some sense.
umbral hound
I'm thinking about Colress suddenly. He's such a character. He's a totally amoral antagonist who also strongly believes in the power of bonds between humans and Pokemon. But it's really interesting that he seems to care about friendship only because those bonds bring power.
...he canonically hates Ghetsis, but it would be wildly funny if the reasons he hated Ghetsis had little to nothing to do with the many extremely evil things Ghetsis did and tried to do.
…like, a lot of that style of antagonist are trying to prove that emotion is obsolete or somesuch, but he fundamentally isn’t. He just wants to learn what’s most effective, and doesn’t care what that turns out to be.
pliant violet
he's truly committed
a real scientist
data shows caring does wonders so he cares
arctic dagger
@umbral hound consider ice/fighting as fighting is the "hero" type too
azure crane
Also it won't explode when it runs into sneaky pebbles.
arctic dagger
Fighting a pretty decent side type for ice since it does good into rock and steel in particular
As coverage
Just uh, don't be Crabominable with no speed and no defense lmao
languid lichen
umbral hound
Oh I just had an extremely dark thought, which feels like it's on the boundary between "realistic darkness in pokemon world" and "unnecessary edge for the sake of unnecessary edge". Uh... did Colress come to the conclusion of power coming from trainers caring about pokemon? Or just pokemon caring about trainers?
arctic dagger
That's the kind of specifics I'd want to check the direct translations of his dialogue with someone who is fluent in Japanese with
They really commonly just kinda translate things as being roughly the same when it comes to Pokemon.
languid lichen
Oh I just had an *extremely* dark thought, which feels like it's on the boundary...
i'd say that, independent of what the games actually say, it'd probably have to be both
(for what his conclusions would be, that is)
because pokemon friendship mechanics give benefits even outside of Exactly Return
umbral hound
Probably, especially seeing as how he looks at Z-crystals.
languid lichen
(see: gen 7 mons fuckin focus banding and self-curing statuses)
arctic dagger
Yeah the usual thing that gets talked about is the BOND between them, which is reciprocal.
languid lichen
and, on the other side of the field, you have the explicit necessity of trainer-to-pokemon bonds
in both mega evolutions and z-crystals
that are a pair of very high-power game changer mechanics
so since Colress is presented as intelligent and diligent in his research, he'd probably come to the conclusion that two-way bonds are optimal
umbral hound
Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not sure if mega stones require strong trainer-to-pokemon bonds, but z-crystals absolutely do.
arctic dagger
The key stones are stated to trigger the mega stone through resonating the bond the trainer has with the pokemon IIRC
languid lichen
but in the regions where they exist, it's an assumed demand
stated by Korrina and a few other folks
umbral hound
That's fair. It's just... if anyone would try to find some way to shortcut or subvert "forming genuine bonds", it would be Colress.
arctic dagger
My immediate thought is some kind of mix of Psychic and Fairy type energy could maybe do it.
IDK if brainwashing pokemon into liking you would count
You'd probably have to also be brainwashed into liking them
Which sounds like more work than just actually making a partnership, tbh
umbral hound
...ah, see, my thought was ||actual realistic abusive behaviors, or something like real-world quote-unquote "brainwashing"||.
arctic dagger
Like, it's supposed to be pretty easy to tell if you'll get along with any given pokemon from all we're shown, with partners having a kind of "friendship at first sight" effect. Even if it's possible to brainwash them, it's probably still just more work than finding one you get along with.
umbral hound
probably, yes.
languid lichen
...ah, see, my thought was ||actual realistic abusive behaviors, or something li...
oh i think that would very easily work, if he devised a plan for it...at least until it backfires
as long as you care and they care
i don't think it entirely matters how healthy the relationship is
that just has problems for the many practical reasons lol
umbral hound
Yeah. And it's probably unnecessarily edgy for the sake of edge. But the idea entered my head.
arctic dagger
I think we've actually seen examples of this in the anime, IIRC?
Like, not the brainwashing specifically, but the toxic relationship stuff.
Toxic relationships can still be STRONG relationships.
umbral hound
Yeah. Didn't Ash's Charmander stay out in the rain all night for their original trainer, who also abandoned them outside in the rain for no real reason other than that they're weak?
arctic dagger
Yeah but that's not really a toxic bond, that's a one-sided bond.
umbral hound
Yeah, fair. But it's the first example that sprung to mind.
arctic dagger
And it's unclear there was actually strength for Charmander there.
I'm thinking more of like, Sabrina was kinda abusive to some of her pokemon, if we go to gen1 examples.
But anime!Sabrina was super messed up in a number of ways
umbral hound
I'm thinking more of like, Sabrina was kinda abusive to some of her pokemon, if ...
I... did not remember that specifically. But I can believe it.
languid lichen
paul in gen 4 was also constantly a huge chode
although i don't actually remember how strong his mons were
or if/how he got comeuppance
arctic dagger
A number of the rivals are also often presented as having strong but rough relationships with their pokemon, particulary in early gens like with Silver.
umbral hound
...unrelatedly but I found this art (no source I could find but I'm guessing Poqu) and want to share it
manic kindle
paul in gen 4 was also constantly a huge chode
he was a "if my pokemon doesnt have all 31 IVs its useless" guy and did eventually get a reality check and started to listen more to his brother on trusting his pokemon / being more open hearted
languid lichen
didn't even remember he had a brother ngl
manic kindle
he came in closer to the end, was a big shot battler but quit after losing to the battle pyramid guy with the Regi-mons, which Paul took as a sign his bro was a wuss
but in reality older bro just realized he wanted to stop battling so hard and chill out, become a breeder
mellow robin
I followed a really fun quest for a bit (link to archive: https://archiveofourown.org/works/60159127/chapters/153512080) where Colress was ||investigating why the 'backline team' of ace trainers, the ones that didn't battle, weren't as strong as the 'main squad' of Pokemon || and I think it was pretty cool honestly
turns out even doing science on friendship turns out to be the sort of thing he can be a huge creep about
fickle thicket
but in reality older bro just realized he wanted to stop battling so hard and ch...
Is that what they call settling down these days
wispy yarrow
Just heard this for the first time and gotta be honest
It reminds me of how much I really liked Team Yell as a concept but wished their execution was better
karmic imp
It reminds me of how much I really liked Team Yell as a concept but wished their...
How do you wish it was?
wispy yarrow
I would have liked if they were more openly antagonistic and less just kinda in the way. I get that they're supposed to just be rowdy sports fans cheering for Marnie. They're like, mildly annoying at best. I just kinda wish they'd caused more trouble.
I know they're ultimately trying to get Marnie to be the champion so they can improve their town, which is cool. It's a neat angle. But I'd have just liked a little more havoc out of them. A real riot.
I really liked Team Skull and Guzma, and I recognize they probably didn't want to just repeat them again
Honestly, that's kinda just how I feel about Pokemon in general in the more recent games. Enemies are more inconveniences than threats.
languid lichen
we need villains (or rivals) willing to just fucking kill a dude
bring back silver
or cyrus
sure, they're not allowed to actually do any of what they want
it's a pokemon game, they gotta be mostly ineffectual, especially if the effect would be violence
but there's something great about how fucking awful ghetsis is
lysandre's insane lust for omnicide for the pettiest fucking reasons
(but team flare sucked and was cringe)
wispy yarrow
Team Rocket wanted to beat you up and take your Pokemon. Silver pushed his pokemon to the brink and discarded them if they weren't doing as well as he wanted. Team Plasma was on the surface trying to release pokemon, but really just wanted to be the only ones in control. Magma and Aqua were functionally eco-terrorists. Flare was just kind of a mafia, which is still cool. Skull wanted to ruin the island challenges out of spite.
wispy yarrow
Yell is just kinda inconvenient and annoying soccer fans, while Star is literally just delinquent students
I know Pokemon's for kids, I'm not the main audience anymore, etc.
But I miss the good old days of beating up actual bad guys and not Bob and his mates from the block
arctic dagger
I kinda prefer that they're just goofballs who act like goofballs than mafia that act like goofballs
karmic imp
(but team flare sucked and was cringe)
Genocidal rich assholes
azure crane
Volo was one of the best villains, even if he didn't have a team.
languid lichen
volo was goated, yeah
worldly plume
my dndbrain did a double-take there
soft isleBOT
Hmm, what are some fun romhacks for someone who hasn't played any romhacks before?
deft path
Hmm, what are some fun romhacks for someone who hasn't played any romhacks befor...
touhou puppet dance
soft isleBOT
I meant for poke- what
manic kindle
do you want the 'core pokemon experience' or do you want 'weird stuff' or etc etc etc
wispy yarrow
Radical Red is a fun one if you really enjoy like, putting together teams for very specific battles.
All the big trainers have fully truly statted out Pokemon with real competitive-worthy movesets
It's one of my favorites
I also like the Legacy games
manic kindle
my basic endorsements are the Legacy series, the Pokemon TCG Neo hack, and Pokemon Odyssey
wispy yarrow
I'm not personally fond of stuff like fan-regions or anything like that, I like stuff that's got some resemblance to the original game
So all of my recommendations are in that vein
Legacy goes hard tho
manic kindle
if you dont mind some of the translation being rough, i genuinely did enjoy Pokemon Team Rocket (the dragonsden one) and its over the top rocket lyfe stuff
soft isleBOT
Core pokemon, definitely
murdoc (he/him) ↩️
languid lichen
i liked pokemon uranium a lot, and as long as you're willing to put up with gen 3 mechanics pokemon odyssey is phenomenally designed
soft isleBOT
I assume that's for kanto?
Alice(She) ↩️
(I kinda want hacks that edit existing games/regions tbh, I probably should have mentioned that 😅 )
topple ↩️
soft isleBOT
What are those?
languid lichen
drayano is a relatively prolific rom maker whose focus was pretty heavily on just
uplifting original games with qol, full dex availability (including piles of side quests for legendaries), and often assorted buffs to shitmons
soft isleBOT
Oooh, which games?
languid lichen
not a ton of all-new content in existing regions, if that's what you're looking for
i know of black/white and black2/white2, omega ruby/alpha sapphire, platinum, heartgold/soulsilver, and firered
there may be more
soft isleBOT
We mostly want existing pokemon games but better basically
(Preferably more difficult and with better ai)
topple ↩️
Yesssssssss
languid lichen
difficulty is one of the assorted focuses, yeah
this is the folder with all of their gubbins, off of their twitter
soft isleBOT
I'll probably go with Volt White 2 Redux first, I love B2W2
languid lichen
nice nice
i never played the redux
but i have very, very fond memories of both the official gen 5 games and the original drayano vw/bb
...hm. i hope drayano's doing alright
taking a peek, apparently he is or was working on a revamp for their hg/ss hack, but he seems to have been radio silent for almost all of 2025
hopefully it's "just" burnout from uh, making romhacks for over 13 years
and not health problems
soft isleBOT
Here's hoping he's alright then 😟
soft isleBOT
Patching roms is a pain
languid lichen
yeah, it def can be
sullen mesa
there's a specific site i use for patching
uh idk if its against tos to share it here
soft isleBOT
Probably best to not share it then
wispy yarrow
I assume that's for kanto?
It is for Kanto, but it adds all the new mechanics and pokemon up to Gen 8, and has non-gym Boss Trainers from other regions pop up
round perch
It reminds me of how much I really liked Team Yell as a concept but wished their...
Knowing what soccer fans will do, they could definitely still he fans of Marnie and be a threat.
soft isleBOT
I hate how easy it is to accidentally load a save state with emudeck
And how much of a pain it is to rebind the controls >->
languid lichen
(What's the difference between volt white and blaze black anyway?)
should just be the initially available mons (legends incl.)
you'll be able to get everything, but it'll change what's story/prog and what's postgame
also, i (used to, when i was still consistently playing emulated nintendo games) use Dolphin and Retroarch emulators, which both worked quite well ime
and i believe retroarch can do NDS
umbral hound
(What's the difference between volt white and blaze black anyway?)
presumably, one is the clash of truth against ideals, and the other is the clash of ideals against truth?
snow cobalt
pliant violet
Mystery dungeon
languid lichen
i absolutely adore that ponytail-cloak on the mew
fickle thicket
lysandre's insane lust for omnicide for the pettiest fucking reasons
I always thought that Flare had a shitton of wasted potential
azure crane
It's a shame that testing every clothing/Pokémon combination would be like a zillion hours.
umbral hound
Why is Ponyta called the Fire Horn Pokemon? It does not, as far as I can tell, have a horn.
(Well, the Galarian one does.)
vague tide
is it not "fire horse"?
umbral hound
...it is. I guess I misread. That one's on me.
Possibly because Galarian Ponyta is the Unique Horn Pokemon.
(I also didn't realize that Galarian Ponyta is mono-psychic. I was expecting it to be either psychic/fairy like Rapidash, or mono-fairy.)
vague tide
it's part of how bede goes from a psychic type trainer to a fairy one
hatenna and hattrem are similar
umbral hound
Yeah, but its appearance makes it look like a fairy-type.
...you ever think about how Bede is at least arguably Penny's cousin, depending on if he was ever legally adopted officially or not?
fickle thicket
Yeah, but its appearance makes it look like a fairy-type.
Many such cases
I think I once saw a "fave of every type" chart where every single entry was a Pokémon that people tend to wrongly assume has that type
You know how it goes, Lugia in water, Golurk in rock, etc
pliant violet
lugia not being water is fucked up
timber vale
Imo Lugia not being water isn't actually that weird
It lives deep under the ocean, yes, but it doesn't actually have much connection to the water
It's just there because it's the only place it can be without hurting others
timber vale
it's literally the guardian of the seas
Wait what
It is?
Okay yeah nvm what the fuck what were they cooking
arctic dagger
Agreed
Water/psychic would also be a way better bulky defensive pokemon
Which is what it seems to want to be
azure crane
Yeah, but they didn't believe birds could not have flying at that point. :V
soft isleBOT
Why did volt white 2 redux give unfezant a bunch of good physical moves for the critical hit playstyle but change it to a special attacker
(Also I swear this romhack makes crits more common)
languid lichen
should be one in uhhhh
32?
16?
one of those
there was a change in gen 6 that probably got backported to BBVW
soft isleBOT
(Why does every single trainer have at least three pokemon)
languid lichen
not sure, but i assume a combination of difficulty-through-fatigue and smoother trainer xp progression
it's been i think a decade since i played the games, so i can't make any claims on whether it worked well or not, but that's usually what that kind of thing means in romhacks ime
adding to the desire for attrition, and also just making it so that you don't have to beat the shit out of dogs as often
soft isleBOT
We are very much apperciating the variety of pokemon though
soft isleBOT
soft isleBOT
Bibarel gets curse at level 21!?!?
Also, tip for anyone else who wants to play this romhack: bellsprout and psyduck are both available before the Cheren fight and learn clear smog which really helps deal with him spamming work up
soft isleBOT
Jesus Christ
languid lichen
...ngl i forgot that beautifly had 100 spatk
what a dogshit mon
doesn't even get tinted lens or compound eyes or some other Busted Bug Ability to comp
poor beautifly
soft isleBOT
100 special attack is really good for a mon you can evolve into at level 10 at least
languid lichen
it is!
languid lichen
variety :D
soft isleBOT
We're starting to think the devs of this romhack really like early bug types
Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️
soft isleBOT
Those are still really good stats though!
Holy shit scolipede gets speed boost as a non hidden ability
manic kindle
i love bugs...
earnest nacelle
Fast bugge
peak island
Speedy pede
azure crane
umbral hound
I have discovered that I have an image of Corsola saved. I do not know why I have an image of Corsola saved, but apparently I do. Corsola.
snow cobalt
true!
soft isleBOT
They look very happy 😌
obtuse ravine
:>
round perch
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red rampart
We're starting to think the devs of this romhack really like early bug types
This hack has some very weird balancing decisions sometimes
arctic dagger
What's odd about this one?
If you asked me to add stats to magcargo this seems reasonable
soft isleBOT
It just seems weird to give magcargo 40 more special attack
Like, there have to be ways to make magcargo better than just giving it a really high attacking stat right?
arctic dagger
I mean it's probably still terrible because it's a slow bulky rock/fire type
Could move some of that into hp instead of spa but
Eh, spa is fine
manic kindle
I am a big fan of emerald legacy's change to magcargo: Magma Armor now gives you x8 water resist, so magcargo has a x2 water resist
soft isleBOT
They nerfed mismagius 😭
(Also it has inflitrator instead of levitate but that's arguably a sidegrade)
I guess it's a fairy type now? But just like. Why do you need to reduce the speed by 10
arctic dagger
That's a weird choice
I think that's much weirder than Magcargo tbh
In general I tend to think buff > nerf is a better rule for this kinda "balance" stuff
soft isleBOT
The mismagius thing honestly just confuses us
Like, not only is it a really weird nerf, but it also makes the stat line look worse
Normally it's 60/60/60/105/105/105, but for some reason they just changed it in such a way that it completely ruins that
Think we're gonna switch to the classic version, afawk the only difference is that it removes the stat, type, and ability changes
(They are still buffed to have gen 8 stats, typing, and abilities though)
Ehhh, nah doing that would be a pain, might as well try out the changes first
manic kindle
eager to hear how it goes!
soft isleBOT
Oh damn, you get power up punch before the second gym
soft isleBOT
MARACTUS NO! 😭 😭 😭
(Also they made it a physical attacker (and slightly bulkier) but I don't care about that, they took away their best ability! The bunny cactus only has 60 base speed whyyyyyy 😭 )
languid lichen
...yeah, that's really weird
i don't necessarily agree that it's better than water absorb, but
not giving them a different HA is bizzare
near flower
dont water absorb and storm drain do the same thing
soft isleBOT
Water absorb makes water heal you, storm drain makes all water attacks target you
Storm drain just exists for double battles basically
languid lichen
n
storm drain also gives +1 spatk
water absorb, storm drain, and dry skin all provide water immunity
near flower
i see
languid lichen
water absorb heals 25% when you take a water move
near flower
dry skin also makes you weak to fire too right?
languid lichen
dry skin does the same, but makes you take 25% more damage from fire
in return, you heal 12.5% hp/turn in rain
near flower
so not full weakness, gotcha
languid lichen
and take 12.5%/turn in sun
storm drain draws all water moves and grants +1 spatk when you're hit
lightning rod does the same thing but for electric
volt absorb is water absorb but electric
and motor drive is an absorb but grants +1 speed instead of hp
sap sipper is the same, but for grass and +1 spatk
and earth eater is water/volt absorb, but for ground
all of this information was entirely unnecessary, but the information is forced out of me
near flower
i didnt even know earth eater existed lmao
near flower
ahhh
languid lichen
(for now, at least)
near flower
i didnt use orthworm in my playthrough
and i picked fuecoco as my starter so i think i just roasted it with skeledirge when i fought the titan
languid lichen
that would do it!
soft isleBOT
Hmm. Volt White 2 Redux seems to be making phenomena (rustling grass, rippling water, dust clouds) show up basically instantly, but I can't find any documentation about that
Closest thing I could find is an action replay code that does the same thing as long as you're pressing L, but we don't have that enabled
Maybe this...?
Ah, that's why we couldn't find it, they didn't use the correct names for any of the phenomenon
-# whyyyyyy
languid lichen
i wonder if there's some weird backend naming reason
or if it's just "eh, people scrolling will know what i mean" with no thought to a specific search for this
round perch
umbral hound
First, what is the context? Secondly, what was that last choice? Third, it's sort of awkward watching him think Lugia is water-type, on a big screen.
soft isleBOT
…Lugia isn’t water type?
languid lichen
psychic/flying
soft isleBOT
Huh, okay then
languid lichen
psychic/water would have been more compelling imo, but i'm almost certain they wanted to avoid that type combo
because two prominent gen 1 mons (slowbro and starmie) were psychic/water
timber vale
Isn't Lugia gen 2
arctic dagger
We did yeah
pliant violet
psychic type, in gens 1 and 2, served the purpose dragon later served
pliant violet
god I'm so smart and persuasive
languid lichen
ah
yeah the reason they didn't make lugia water/psychic is, presumably, the fact that there were no psychic/flying mons
and there were two water/psychic mons
one of which was a bulky special attacker
pliant violet
noctowl could've been psychic flying
languid lichen
so they introduced lugia and xatu
arctic dagger
Probably should have been yeah
pliant violet
they also introduced slowking in gen 2
languid lichen
even more reason not to make their legend Another Water Psychic
languid lichen
i would like lugia as psychic/water! but i don't think they were wrong based on the type distribution that existed
with our current distribution, it's an egregious mislabeling
arctic dagger
Honestly I'd rather it was Water/Flying than Water/Psychic
snow cobalt
large wingull
arctic dagger
All of the other birds are Flying, it would be weird for it not to be Flying IMO
Ho-oh + Moltres are kind of weird as 2 legendary flying/fire birds in a row, if I'm gonna point any fingers
round perch
First, *what* is the context? Secondly, what was that last choice? Third, it's...
Just an NBA play picking his Pokémon team.
fickle thicket
god I'm so smart and persuasive
Me when I'm me
fickle thicket
Ho-oh + Moltres are kind of weird as 2 legendary flying/fire birds in a row, if ...
You're right. Ho-Oh should've been psychic/flying too
azure crane
Fire/psychic.
soft isleBOT
Simple Curse Bibarel is exactly as good as you think it would be in the early game 😌
Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️
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Who cares about a middling attack and defense stats when you can raise them both by two stages immediately?
soft isleBOT
So Burgh leads with a dwebble that sets a lot of entry hazards in volt white 2
Which means we are gonna need to find a pokemon we like that has rapid spin or defog
soft isleBOT
True!
We tried sweeping with bibarel but critical hits bypass stat changes and his ace is a leavanny with leaf blade so uh
That didn't work too well
languid lichen
rip yeah, bibarel's squishy enough that even non-crits are gonna mess you up
soft isleBOT
Well, 6 stages of defense boost would probably help with that
The dwebble is easy to set up on and simple is just busted
Hmm, maybe we could just use aqua jet on the leavanny
It resists it but still
languid lichen
yeah, might just be enough
otherwise, you could look into swords dance?
idr if BBVW give access to it as a TM that early
but not losing speed means you'd probably be able to just hit it with a take down or return or whatever you've got
soft isleBOT
It is definitely not available this early
languid lichen
alas
soft isleBOT
Oof, focus sash parasect
(We'd be using sandslash here but for some reason they changed its learn set so it gets rapid spin at level 50)
Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️
...ugh, now the levels on my team are all higher than they should be
Geodude: acquired
Not the biggest fan of the evo line but it has rapid spin
azure crane
Does that one have Sturdy?
azure crane
soft isleBOT
Yeh
Zemyla recommends UNCLE 🌇🔔 ↩️
red rampart
\ @glacial ore
azure crane
Does Volt White have Heavy-Duty Boots?
soft isleBOT
I don't think so?