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arctic dagger
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Water/Ice/Steel/Fire

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Normal/Water I could see?

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THeme it after water buffalo

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As a pun

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Bouffalant is a buffalo pokemon, but not a water buffalo

deft path
arctic dagger
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Oh.

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Oh my god those are so cute.

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Wtf

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I want to snuggle them

deft path
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that's why it has fur coat lol

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and cud chew

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and stamina

arctic dagger
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Ok, why not just ice/normal, then?

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4x fighting weakness in a bit rough

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But all the weaknesses except fire are primarily physical offense

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Fighting/rock/steel

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So fur coat should help a lot

obtuse ravine
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pls do not punch the cow

deft path
near flower
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steel (or really iron) is famously something that fairies in real life are adverse too. if you consider elves and things of those sorts to be in the ballpark of fairies, then poison, associated with pollution, is a logical counter to beings so in tune with nature. fairies are described as being burned on contact with iron so maybe that's where fire resisting it comes in, but thats a stretch even for me. bugs can be considered fellows of fairies so maybe the bugs resisting them implies some reluctance on the part of fairies?
fighting because magic and martial are at odds, dark because dark is evil and fairies are good* and dragon because in fairy tales dragons always get the short end of the stick
of course thats all speculation and most of fairy's placements in the type chart are probably arbitrary balance, like you said

languid lichen
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there are definitely watsonian excuses, yeah

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but the mechanical reasons are "the" big reasons

mellow robin
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it resists bug because bug always gets the short end of the stick

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and also maybe something about u-turn

eager vine
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the autism

wispy yarrow
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I come up with my own little internal reasoning

deft path
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You play Pokémon for 13 years and eventually you memorise most of them

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@arctic dagger @honest cairn @manic kindle

Ground/Normal
Thick Fat/Cud Chew - HIDDEN: Fur Coat
HP: 100
ATK: 80
DEF: 120
SPATK: 30
SPDEF: 100
SPD: 75
The Miltank of this region have adapted to the highland cold with heavy coats. In the dark, it is easy to mistake them for a Piloswine. The sound of their chewing is said to be so loud that it causes deafness, but their milk is so delicious that farmers will wear earmuffs to gather it.```
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the most minute adjustment to its stat spread

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Added 5 to hp and Def, moved 10 from spatk to Def, moved 25 from SPD to spdef

azure crane
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Man, Ice/Normal is rough defensively.

deft path
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it's hard to find a good type combo for it

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that's where fur coat comes in though

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I've been cycling through type matchups all day for this

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I honestly may just end up turning it into rock grass again and keep the thick fat to make it resist ice idk

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it's fucked

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I could also do ice ground but that's also got a few issues

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Fuck it

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Back to ground normal with thick fat

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Neutral against ice with that ability, weak if you use fur coat but way better defense

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much better defenses here

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Neutral against most types, 3 resistances and two immunities

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Balance is so hard

arctic dagger
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Yeah

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My main concern here is the similarity to Ursaluna

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But it's defensively rather than offensively inclined

deft path
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yeah I think it has a position as a tank in comparison to ursaluna

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it's got a lot of staying power

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and I don't want there to only be ursaluna ground normal

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I like having weirder type combos out and about

mellow robin
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a bulky ground/normal with access to recovery in milk drink would be quite fun to play with

deft path
mellow robin
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+1 88 Def Zamazenta Body Press vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Abomasnow: 102-122 (25.3 - 30.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
(ignore the species here, I fixed the stats)

deft path
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Guaranteed 4hko goes crazy

mellow robin
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this is with booster(attack) active AND a dragon dance

azure crane
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There's another Ground/Normal that everyone forgets about, which is also very attack oriented.

deft path
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It's just

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it exists

foggy mango
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It’s reliant almost entirely on Huge Power

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And even then, it’s still outgunned by Ursaluna

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But this is comparing a 423 BST Pokémon to a 555 BST mon

covert saffron
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dont worry bud the rival in my pokémon rom hack that i might never make is named after you :D

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||thomas :3||

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speaking of which

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im thinking about it again

deft path
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Smarten
Psychic/Normal
Infiltrator - HIDDEN: Telepathy
This cunning Pokémon hunts for Ratata by perching in trees and surprising them. Its ability to predict their movements is probably due to some sort of telepathic ability. Though prized by some trainers, they run away from most humans.

Evolution: Marudite```
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More fakemons

arctic dagger
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It's... A bird?

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I'd consider No Guard over Infiltrator maybe

covert saffron
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is it not a marten

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give it psycho cut or whatever it’s called

snow cobalt
covert saffron
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guys

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let’s make a pokemon game

deft path
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slightly different

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this is based on the pine marten, which is named for its like of climbing up trees and jumping on prey

arctic dagger
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It looks like a weasel?

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I've not heard of martens before

deft path
spring hedge
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pine martens and weasels are both mustelids yeah

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as are otters, badgers, and skunks

covert saffron
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skunks are musteloids

spring hedge
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ah whoops

covert saffron
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punishable by death i’m afraid

spring hedge
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i'll get better

near flower
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everyone has already said autism and im here to also say that it's the autism for me too

arctic dagger
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Yeah

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That

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I just have them memorized.

azure crane
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Same. Like, I don't have any mnemonics.

spring hedge
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in my case it's partially recall of memorable ones and partially just opening bulbapedia

soft isleBOT
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Sorry to say it's just the autism

covert saffron
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autism

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also this

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very interesting thing

spring hedge
snow cobalt
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pokemon phrenology????

languid lichen
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fire resists it

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weak to poison and steel, nothing else

spring hedge
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clarification: ineffective against, poor phrasing on my part

covert saffron
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notably i am worse at identifying the matchups for fairy, a type introduced long after i first played pokemon, than i am the original 15 types

spring hedge
obtuse ravine
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i see

azure crane
covert saffron
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bide

near flower
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gen 6 was the 3rd generation i played on release, the others were gen 4 with hgss and gen 5 with bw (i had also played gen 3 in that time but i did not experience them on release)
funny to think that at some point fairy will have been around longer than it hasnt. gen 10 will be the equal time existing and not existing mark

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which is rather serendipitous considering we're getting a kalos themed game probably around the time that we'll start getting details on gen 10

languid lichen
covert saffron
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i haven’t played gen 8 or 9

languid lichen
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played gen 3 post-release, played gens 4-7 on release, stopped with 8 because i fucking hated basically everything I'd ever seen about it

covert saffron
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for me pokemon as an official product is limited in its ability to get me to care

languid lichen
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picked up gen 9 post-release again

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will probably do the same with legends ZA

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so i can wait for a quality confirmation

covert saffron
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the most fun i’ve had with pokemon in the last year has been the rom hacks that scratch an itch i have where i need to feel like things are novel and interesting again, or replaying my favourites in challenging ways like trying to catch them all

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or colosseum which is a hot mess

near flower
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nothing more flavorful than a little jank

covert saffron
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mmm jank

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this is why i wanna make a gen 2 rom hack of all things

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  • bright colours
  • y2k
  • tasteful amount of jank. not competitive with gen 1
near flower
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true true
gen 1 jank is its own, stronger flavor

covert saffron
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i love both

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but gen 2 simply does not complete with the full on erectile dysfunction that is gen 1

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that game

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is held together

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with the hubris of man, paperclips, and boat fuel

near flower
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and 100% pure programming gumption

covert saffron
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a game literally made of piss and of vinegar

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it’s so impressive that we even have pokemon as a pop cultural pillar in the first place

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i’d love to play a rom hack in the gen 1 engine with entirely original fakemon to be honest

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would be really refreshing

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and like

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NO documentation

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like a real shut the fuck up, knuckle down, and figure it out kinda vibe

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new legendaries

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new starters

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cute first stages, fugly middles, badass endgame stages

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new pseudos

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no eevee. or maybe eevee and two new eeveelutions. but what kind of stupid cultural touchstone would that be

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new HMs

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new TMs even

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NEW MOVES EVEN

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fuck all y’all. pocket monsters PURPLE

trail bridge
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Oh I think I know a romhack

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this one!

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@covert saffron sorry for the ping, but maybe you'd be into this?

covert saffron
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holy shit

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nuzlocccke V DECIDED

trail bridge
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🫡

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you might want this

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this is from 2024

arctic dagger
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Oh that looks nice.

covert saffron
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NUZLOCCCKE V

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the year is 2020

trail bridge
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WOOOO

covert saffron
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but first we gotta finish the kanto expansion pak

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which i literally started today

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so

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join that thread if you’d like to keep up with it

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#1310349217511768126

mellow robin
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you love to see a fave

near flower
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porygon 2 three times
eviolite i assume?

languid lichen
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that's why you run it, yep

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it's been a staple stall mon since gen 5 because of it

near flower
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swag
i dont really keep up with competitive closely so its a nice surprise seeing my favorite weird duck as a power pick

wispy yarrow
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yo that's my boy boober

near flower
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sidenote, id drop hella dollars for a rubber ducky shaped like porygon2

trail bridge
pliant violet
trail bridge
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ahh fair

mellow robin
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he's using the pledge moves

deft path
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Pokémon trainers will be like "strong Pokémon, weak Pokémon, there's no such thing" and then not have a counter to +6 dragon dance kings rock 255 SPD 255 atk dragapult using dragon darts

azure crane
eager lantern
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just started Seaglass - not especially keen on the Gen3 starters so might use one of the built-in cheats to get a random monotype pokemon

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question is, what type?

near flower
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dragon

eager vine
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water

deft path
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bug

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(fighting is my more serious suggestion)

eager lantern
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nvm Growlithe and Vulpix are in the fire pool so I'll be fishing for a good natured one

azure crane
eager lantern
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Timid Growlithe or Hasty Houndour? (IVs shown)

deft path
eager lantern
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ooh final option Naughty Vulpix

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I was leaning Houndour but also my poor Arcanine

deft path
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Well it's not a hoenn original

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But it feels mor ehoenn

eager lantern
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that's fair, yeah

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I'll hunt down a Growly boi some other time o7

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okay not sure I'm too keen on starting every battle with "THE OPPOSING TEAM IS TOO NERVOUS TO EAT BERRIES" though

covert saffron
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he has a weak neck

covert saffron
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i would argue p2 is pretty top notch in gen 3

fickle thicket
manic kindle
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its so weird seeing them out of costume

pliant violet
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no no nononon

arctic dagger
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Bottom right o.o

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Is trhat.... Eri?

manic kindle
arctic dagger
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She's so prettyyyyy out of costume. Also she looks tired AF lmao

deft path
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my Spanish queens

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Eri is very cute but I can't take her seriously because this is literally exactly what my fucking classmates looked like in middle school

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they made eri and gio so Spanish looking it's insane

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Mela also feels very spanish

obtuse ravine
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very pretty

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the others look cool too

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maybe i should play through violet a bit

eager lantern
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"Oh hey, I caught a good nature high IV Abra with a Twisted Spoon; I wonder when it learns a psychic move for those sweet sweet stabs Clueless "

arctic dagger
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When it evolves! 😄

eager lantern
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Fortunately it's a rom hack that incentivises route exploration by having certain Pokémon appear with egg moves in lieu of a normal starting move, so he does actually have Fire Punch

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And I don't have to play the first-position-juggle game

red rampart
deft path
snow cobalt
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the garchomp

eager vine
eager lantern
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is the red icon here the "phys" indicator of a move?

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as opposed to special?

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oh yes it is, after checking other 'mons moves

deft path
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Yeah

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Phys is a red icon with a star

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Special is a blue icon with a circle

eager lantern
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just discovered that Seaglass splits on a per-move basis and not damage types

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which makes my incredible Fire Punch Abra actually kinda dogshit lmao

pliant violet
eager lantern
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apparently so, and here's me who never played Gen 4 onwards

pliant violet
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There ya go!

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I think it tends to be more of a benefit than a detriment but that’s just me

eager lantern
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oh for sure I appreciate that it'll likely make things overall more interesting

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I just dun got got haha - suddenly the "oh wow I can catch an early game abra with an elemental punch??" isn't as nuts as I thought it was

deft path
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It's honestly I thj k super healthy

pliant violet
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It allows for a lot more variability

eager lantern
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I'm guessing it increases viability of different mons within their typing?

deft path
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hugely, yes

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it's the reason why uh

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Well. Why like 90% of post geniii Mons can exist at all honestly

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And hugely increases mind games

pliant violet
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They keep fucking up ice types though

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Ah yes one of the worst defensive types

deft path
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Since certain types tend towards Phys/special generally still

pliant violet
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Let’s make them slow and bulky

pliant violet
deft path
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So there's huge mind games

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it's literally like uh

deft path
pliant violet
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You know may, I have this panel saved on my phone

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It’s very culturally important to me

deft path
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and zacian

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It's degenerate... I love it

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my favourite Pokémon are unironically zacian hero of many battles, flutter mane, and roaring moon

pliant violet
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I’d say that too

azure crane
wispy yarrow
azure crane
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I like Aurora Beam's sound better though.

covert saffron
red rampart
deft path
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Zacians Dex entry is really funny

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Gender unknown pokemon

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Look in dex entry

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"its the older sister pokemon"

snow cobalt
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we stan a demiqueen

deft path
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since she carries Excalibur

snow cobalt
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oooooh

deft path
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they call zacian xiexie lol

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"there is a problem in galar"

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Whatever. Go my 252/4/252 doggy

karmic imp
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Jiejie zacian

deft path
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No joke

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Also its xiexie

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jiejie means thank you

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Wait

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Wrong way round

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Sorry

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the romanisations are silly

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WHAT THE FUCK

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I was browsing the honorifics page to remind myself and realised that for TWENTY years

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I have been referring to my grandfather in Cantonese rather than spanish

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and never knew

manic kindle
deft path
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it's to stop legendaries from laying eggs

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but it's very funny in certain cases (e.g. zacian/zamazenta, reshiram/zekrom) which are like

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very clearly meant to be male/female

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Lunala and solgaleo

karmic imp
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So older sister zacian

deft path
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Yes

covert saffron
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grass type magnemite when

azure crane
azure crane
languid lichen
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naruhodo

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i assume this is something forwarding-related?

arctic dagger
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yes

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Cute pictures from twitter

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Of the weed cat

deft path
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325/400 galarmons

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I'm a hard worker

deft path
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@pliant violet

la emu (Espathra) @ Leftovers  
Ability: Opportunist  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Fairy  
EVs: 152 HP / 244 Def / 112 Spe  
Bold Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Dazzling Gleam  
- Protect  
- Calm Mind  
- Stored Power  

papilloser (Vivillon-Fancy) (F) @ Focus Sash  
Ability: Compound Eyes  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Sleep Powder  
- Tailwind  
- Bug Buzz  
- U-turn  

intimidate (Incineroar) (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots  
Ability: Intimidate  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD  
Careful Nature  
- Fake Out  
- Knock Off  
- Protect  
- Parting Shot  

dog with the bow (Sylveon) (F) @ Red Card  
Ability: Pixilate  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Steel  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA  
Bold Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Hyper Voice  
- Baton Pass  
- Calm Mind  
- Protect  

traviatta (Primarina) (F) @ Assault Vest  
Ability: Liquid Voice  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Steel  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD  
Modest Nature  
- Surf  
- Flip Turn  
- Psychic Noise  
- Moonblast  

brooklyn (Archaludon) (F) @ Choice Scarf  
Ability: Stamina  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Steel  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Draco Meteor  
- Thunder Wave  
- Foul Play  
- Flash Cannon  
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rate my team

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i think sylveon is a pretty weak link

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i will probably replace it for a better choice

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oh boy I sure do love taking a nap I hope that no fairy types become involved

azure crane
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Opportunist rather than Speed Boost?

deft path
arctic dagger
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I'm guessing this is doubles?

deft path
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yes

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its standard vgc format

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which means doubles

red rampart
snow cobalt
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important

red rampart
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(Sidenote: something about that image is weirdly gender and I don't know why)

umbral hound
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I appreciate the fairy wings on the ankles.

eager vine
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I LOVE THIS..........

arctic dagger
pliant violet
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Honse

graceful quartz
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arctic dagger
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Bug types are weak to poison??

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Oh right they were in gen1 or something

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But if we're going on that they were super effective vs each other

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And it just said poison type is not very effective on bug

manic kindle
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Gen 1 funniness

arctic dagger
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@graceful quartz so we're using... Partial gen1?

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I feel like you should either be using the super effective on each other gen1 or the not very effective of later not a mix

graceful quartz
arctic dagger
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Yeah should either be wheezing weak to bug and ariados neutral to poison or both resist each other

graceful quartz
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Made a tweak to the chapter about it!

manic kindle
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rip my fabhar-unique type chart

arctic dagger
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LMAO

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" Bug types were notorious for their weakness to Poison, she was pretty sure. Or maybe that was something from the earlier generations?"

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You'd think she'd have realized by now that she's poison resistant

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Given the horrible toxic jungle

azure crane
soft isleBOT
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Oh gosh, we had a lucky run of packs in TCG Pocket. Two Mewtwo ex (one is the portal), two articuno ex, and a venosaur ex in 11 packs.

snow cobalt
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yoooooo

azure crane
wispy yarrow
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wake up babe new temp6t video dropped

south laurel
graceful quartz
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arctic dagger
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As someone who doesn't read comments at all

graceful quartz
# arctic dagger What was so contentious about it?

I'm not going to dig through all the comments and list each gripe they had - I certainly don't want to read them again myself - and my ability to paraphrase is terrible. If you'd like to know, I'd rather you read the comments. My apologies.

arctic dagger
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No problem! Just was looking for quick summary of what changed I guess?

graceful quartz
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The fight got significantly extended, a scene previous to it was added, and a bit of the dialogue was tweaked.

arctic dagger
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kk

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Getting through it, I definitely like the new fight better.

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Both seem more intelligent about their move/tactic usage.

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Hmm. I think neither of them win then? I went back and read the terms of the deal, was expecting "If you get knocked out" vs "If wheezing gets knocked out" so that they both "win" if wheezing KOs them both.

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But nope, it's "win"

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The Insomnia/Neutralizing Gas thing is clever as a reasoning for why the sleeping gas works.

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And previous ones might not have.

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So, I like it better, but I don't think the original was bad, I guess is my personal feedback.

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The finding out we're closer to Yellow universe than Anime is neat.

graceful quartz
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Glad to hear you liked the new chapter.

arctic dagger
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I'm sorry people were so harsh.

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Your fiction has been one of the ones I'm consistently excited to see

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❤️

graceful quartz
azure crane
graceful quartz
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azure crane
arctic dagger
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Cuuuute\

graceful quartz
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arctic dagger
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Nice

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Love it

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Nothing happening we didn't know but good to have the tie ins back together

wispy yarrow
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6 days until Emerald Legacy's (intended) release

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I'm excited

graceful quartz
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Thank you for the kind words Tohu.

arctic dagger
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@graceful quartz sometimes a chapter just pulls threads together instead of making new ones, this was well done at that

azure crane
obtuse ravine
languid lichen
pliant violet
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I mean look at reality

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Where some of the biggest games are fifa and madden

arctic dagger
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Yeah there would be a ton of inaccuracies which I think is my favorite part

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Even for what some of the legendaries look like

deft path
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mew can't learn every move that's stupid

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get off the forums kantonian

azure crane
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I have an aesthetics question. If you were to put a cheese slice on Cyndaquil the way they did Scorbunny and Fuecoco, would it work better on its face or its belly?

manic kindle
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ooooh interesting

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a little bandit mask cheese slice could be fun

red rampart
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@obtuse ravine we need your expert opinion

manic kindle
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the danny cheese query

obtuse ravine
soft isleBOT
obtuse ravine
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i do! it's just dannyquil, feel free to follow! i repost bunnies

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and this is adorable

red rampart
red rampart
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Isn't that a cat?

obtuse ravine
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ok i didn't think there was a bun nodding

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but now there is

azure crane
red rampart
eager vine
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meanwhile penny also would do absolutely nothing about it i feel

wispy yarrow
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24 hours until emerald legacy

umbral hound
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fun fact I randomly remembered: you can impersonate a Gastrodon by saying "wheeee squishy squishy squishy".

azure crane
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I did that just now, and the guy sitting next to me at the bus stop asked, "What's a Gastrodon doing here?"

graceful quartz
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azure crane
azure crane
arctic dagger
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I want mega meganium

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And it has an even more giant neck

wispy yarrow
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first shiny

wispy yarrow
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Emerald Legacy is very fun

arctic dagger
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Nice

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What's emerald legacy theme?

wispy yarrow
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It's basically a modernized Emerald

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Pokemon and trainers rebalanced and given updated learn sets and base stats

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Small story updates, making all pokemon catchable in a single playthrough

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It doesn't add in the physical/special split, but does swap ghost and dark to special/physical respectively

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As Arceus intended

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Also built in options for Hard Mode and Hardcore

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I'm going for a national dex completion first run

azure crane
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Wurmple sippy soup.

manic kindle
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Yeah the Legacy series of games aim to keep the same core experience but update the games & patch the potholes

manic kindle
iron lake
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you're telling us a weird hedgehog fried this rice.....

soft isleBOT
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Our LGS is having a fun bracket on Tuesday where a lot of the meta staples are banned, so we have a homebrew list we're trying out! bWholesome

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Here's the banlist, if anyone is interested.

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The following Pokemon Cards will be banned:
Archaludon ex SSP 130
Archeops SIT 147
Bloodmoon Ursaluna ex TWM 141
Ceruledge ex SSP 36
Charizard ex PAF 54
Chien-Pao ex PAL 61
Comfey LOR 79
Dragapult ex TWM 130
Dusknoir SFA 20
Fezandipiti ex SFA 38
Gardevoir ex PAF 29
Gholdengo ex PAR 139
Greninja ex TWM 106
Iron Hands ex PAR 70
Iron Thorns ex TWM 77
Klawf PAR 105
Mimikyu PAF 37
Miraidon ex SVI 81
Munkidori TWM 95
Pidgeot ex OBF 164
Pikachu ex SSP 57
Radiant Charizard CRZ 20
Radiant Greninja ASR 46
Raging Bolt ex TEF 123
Regidrago VSTAR SIT 136
Roaring Moon ex PAR 124
Roaring Moon TEF 109
Snorlax PGO 55
Teal Mask Ogerpon ex TWM 25
Terapagos ex SCR 128

The following Trainer cards will be banned:
Prime Catcher TEF 157
Unfair Stamp TWM 165

azure crane
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Didn't someone win a tournament with only 4 Iron Thorns ex?

pliant violet
#

no dipplin ban?

manic kindle
pliant violet
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The Zone

arctic dagger
#

I assume these are like, references to something

deft path
#

The rest are references to her content

arctic dagger
#

Ah, we're "Doing lots of damage is better than anything else" I guess

deft path
#

personally my thoughts are that in current meta the best restricteds are koraidon/miraidon, terapagos, zamazenta, and groudon

arctic dagger
#

Restricted is like, a one per team thing right?

deft path
#

yeah

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The main reason the SV legendaries are so good is that they instantly enable paradox teams, particularly koraidon

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And the legendary paradox count as paradox, not legendaries

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So you can take koraidon and raging bolt and gouging fire

arctic dagger
#

The fact some of these are on restricted but the Paradox aren't is hilarious to me

manic kindle
#

not only do they enable, they also hit like a brick as well, both korai and mirai put up great damage numbers

deft path
#

well yeah

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they're scarlet and violet pokemon

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this is the generation of Pokémon where everything is a nuclear bomb

manic kindle
#

its awesome

deft path
#

I hope we get more reg h after this reg g set honestly

manic kindle
#

my favorite space is "Do you have any pretenses of winning"

deft path
#

Those four are SO bad in current meta its not even funny

arctic dagger
#

Is the restricted list literally just box legendaries?

deft path
#

yes

manic kindle
#

yes

deft path
#

that are available*

manic kindle
#

oops may beat me

deft path
#

other legendaries and mythicals are also restricted

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E.g. darkrai, zygarde, etc

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they're just not in gen ix

arctic dagger
#

Huh.

deft path
#

generally restricteds have to fill the role of either being the best support or the best dps

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This is why the right half is bad

arctic dagger
#

Because none of them are the best support?

deft path
#

Aside from lunala

deft path
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ho oh and Lugia are just bad choices, they're not amazing support, and they're not amazing DPS, and they're not amazing bulk

#

calyrex with no steed is just. worse version of calyrex

#

Lunala has VERY bad typing for competitive and is too frail

manic kindle
#

vgc doubles is a harsh world

deft path
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Dialga and giratina arent contributing a huge amount because they're bulky but don't do anything that other people can't do better

#

lunala sucks in singles too

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She just has very unfortunate typing

arctic dagger
#

I feel like the selection for what is restricted kinda sucks

manic kindle
#

being able to use them at all is kinda nice

#

normally you cant touch these at all

pliant violet
#

Terapagos is the only winning choice

deft path
#

You get a single restricted and for the past year we've been banned from using any restricted or paradox

manic kindle
#

reggie wants to go fast in like 1 turn

deft path
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lunalas issue is ghost/psychic

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Alongside weak physical defence

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Because it means that incineroar can ohko it l

manic kindle
#

nothing standout in luna's moveset either

pliant violet
#

wait the bears aren't here

#

can you use the bears?

deft path
#

wdym the bears

#

the legendary Beasts?

pliant violet
#

no uhh

#

urshifu

deft path
#

his ass is RESTRICTED as fuck

#

jk

pliant violet
#

he is not on the chart

deft path
#

Urshifu is unfortunately allowed unrestricted

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Reg G is kinda

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nuclear

pliant violet
#

that's

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he's stronger than anything there

deft path
#

alongside the treasures of ruin

manic kindle
#

im used to not getting to use Protect

deft path
#

he's not

#

he's stronger than most things there

pliant violet
#

being able to turn off protect is bullshit

deft path
#

Urshifu is out competed by miraidon, koraidon, and zamazenta

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reg G is kind of a bullshit format ngl

manic kindle
#

its not quite rocket tag theres a lot of weird nuances but it is def all about hitting your bombs

pliant violet
#

look I do not play vgc or consume much vgc content

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some wolfy sometimes

manic kindle
#

wolfy con perish

pliant violet
#

what why

#

did I miss something

deft path
#

But you also get a team of nukes

manic kindle
#

oh sorry reggie wolfy is okay, its a new vgc meme thats spread

deft path
#

it's divisive

pliant violet
#

Wolfe not wolfy, I spell names poorly

deft path
#

Wolfey con perish... no

pliant violet
#

I know he loves a perish song comp

deft path
#

I'm hoping we get reg h or reg i tho

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i just prefer them

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I think there's a lot more ability to play unusual teams

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it's still super high powered but like

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it's not unbeatably centralised

#

there's a very standard team format but you can 100% beat it with good play

manic kindle
deft path
#

reg G is just full of a bunch of Pokémon I hate too

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actually it's just groudon and urshifu

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But everyone is running those bitches

pliant violet
#

Explode Urshifu

deft path
#
  • reg G
  • Reg H
#

Another four years of incineroar

manic kindle
#

incineroar is so fun to use

deft path
#

wolfey is gonna find you

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murdocc would you like to play against me on showdown sometime to test teams

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If you do comp

manic kindle
#

if you dont mind me being incredibly rusty and available at odd times, yeah

deft path
#

yay

#

I'm gonna show you my worst teams ever

azure crane
#

So what kind of team would want Mewtwo?

#

Probably not any, it just loses to Calryrex-Ghost. D:

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Unless... darktera

deft path
deft path
#

Mewtwo is by far the worst restricted Pokémon sadly

azure crane
#

Except Calyrex not a rider.

deft path
#

that's not even a real pokemon

#

it's made up

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like pichu

azure crane
#

It sucks that a Pokémon with 154 SpA, 130 Spd, and 106/90/90 Defenses doesn't have any use.

deft path
#

The thing Is that Mewtwo is obviously Good

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but there's no space to use it when you're giving up some of the best pokemon ever to use it

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If Mewtwo wasnt restricted it would obviously see use, but it just can't compete with koraidon, groudon etc

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It would have to be much better to have a spot, cause as is there's not a niche it properly fills that someone else cant

#

tldr Mewtwo is a great Pokémon but a terrible legendary

azure crane
#

Fucking ghost horse.

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Well, that's at least part of it.

languid lichen
#

monotype psychic that's carried by its stats and movepool isn't enough to cut it in this context, tragically

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because its numbers are nutty, and psystrike is fucking meaty, and nasty plot makes it even more of a threat - but no second stab and no ability

deft path
#

it's not a new issue

#

the only gens its ever seen use was access to mega evos

arctic dagger
deft path
arctic dagger
#

Also yeah, man, VGC is so painful for how many cool mons you just can't use.

deft path
#

this is official VGC so yeah, no megas this season

#

this Is true of basically any format tbh

arctic dagger
#

I mean, I like that singles has formats for different levels

#

Even if something isn't good in OU, you can probably use it in UU etc

deft path
#

many mons suck competitively

#

Singles is atrocious though

arctic dagger
#

Well, just gonna disagree with you there.

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XD

#

No more atrocious than doubles anyway.

deft path
#

i think the singles metagame is really unfun

arctic dagger
#

We're all playing a game not designed for comp gameplay.

deft path
#

Doubles is atrocious too

arctic dagger
#

The singles... Gen9 OU metagame?

deft path
#

but at least you can't stall

arctic dagger
#

Oh, see, I think some degree of stall is way more interesting.

deft path
#

I really heavily dislike stalling

arctic dagger
#

There are things that go too far (Regenerator PP stall strategies)

deft path
#

I think stalling is super uninteractive

arctic dagger
#

But I think stall and hazards/status are a really interesting way to play.

deft path
#

Status still sees a lot of play in doubles

arctic dagger
#

As long as you're actually making progress I don't mind it at all.

deft path
#

hazards less so

#

but status moves are actually some of the most widely run

arctic dagger
#

Its' the "Haha, I made you use 1 PP off of this mon so in 80 turns I'll win!" things I don't like

deft path
#

E.g. sleep powder, spore, encore, taunt, dire claw

arctic dagger
#

If it's just a 10-20 turn stall, w/e

deft path
#

10 turn stall isn't unusual in VGC

arctic dagger
#

Like my favorite mega was mega slowbro

deft path
#

When I say stall I don't mean like

#

using protect and dive to dodge fissure pp

arctic dagger
#

Who absolutely did stall but always would make progress too

deft path
#

I mean the 300 turn game shit

arctic dagger
#

Well, ok, sure

#

Yeah I hate that too.

#

But you don't see that basically since... Gen6, much?

deft path
#

And there's WAY too much of that online

arctic dagger
#

With a bit of a departure in gen7 I think

deft path
#

I started playing around then competitively so it's just ruined my perception of singles

#

That and also I like the official comp format more than smogon

arctic dagger
#

Megas, Z moves, just current pokemon power...

#

All kinda make that kinda thing just not viable

deft path
#

I actually went to worlds as a kid*

arctic dagger
#

Too much offensive strength to sustain that kind of stalling power outside of specific (banned) strategies with shadow tag

deft path
#

attended, not compete

arctic dagger
#

Like, you just could not use even the old stall strategies vs the current paradox pokemon

#

THey just hit too far

#

Hard*

#

Offense has overall outstripped defense

#

A 100 power move with good accuracy used to make Earthquake basically the best offensive move in the game for a long time. Now lots of things get that kind of stuff just kinda casually.

deft path
#

I like how much doubles enables in terms of support as well

#

And silly strats

#

Like clangorous soul+ oricorio

azure crane
pliant violet
#

how'd they make him so small

wispy yarrow
#

Man, the Hoenn elite four sucks when you have a psychic type at the front

#

I forgot that the first two were Dark and then Ghost.

eager vine
#

I LOVE HOENN

pliant violet
#

7/10 too much water

eager vine
#

uhmmm

#

11/10 BUT not enough water

#

imho

#

it needs MORE water

#

it needs to be larger and more oceanic

snow cobalt
#

team aqua member^

eager vine
#

FUCK

#

i do have a team aqua pin in fact

#

and a thalassophobic team aqua member has fantastic comedic value

manic kindle
arctic dagger
#

"Look just because I'm scared of the ocean doesn't mean it's not the giver of all life."

red rampart
deft path
#

Hey hoenn has more than four fire types

#

You're thinking of sinnoh

red rampart
#

Oh right, ninetales is also in hoenn
Five fire type families*

deft path
#

there's 10 fire type Pokémon in hoenn

#

sinnoh in comparison has 2 fire type families

deft path
#

in the original at least

#

in oras they like doubled the number

arctic dagger
#

I like to pretend the remakes are in general the true canon

#

Because just regional Pokemon with such low overlap makes me sad sometimes

deft path
#

in oras I think they definitely are

manic kindle
#

Emerald Legacy has been nice for giving some of the fire types nice new niches

deft path
#

Oras is such a huge redux

manic kindle
#

Legacy added Ponyta early and buffed Slugma line

deft path
#

original Archie isn't real

manic kindle
#

that one aqua admin that stays behind to hold off the player

deft path
#

oh I just got an amazing pickup in my moon nuzlocke

#

I got a makuhita just before normal trial

#

the quad weaknesses will go crazy

red rampart
deft path
#

Currently the team is

#

Popplio/makuhita/pikipek/yungoos/magnemite/meowth

pliant violet
arctic dagger
#

What'd they do?

#

I always liked the water immunity

manic kindle
#

its really nice, gives it a niche

languid lichen
#

oh, it inverts that type interaction?

manic kindle
#

ive also enjoyed moveset updates, Treecko line getting Razor Leaf at 16 feels so good

languid lichen
#

that's real fuckin strong, i respect it

#

mfs need that

manic kindle
#

ive also enjoyed a lot of the classic Legacy diversity while maintaining just the Hoenn-dex

#

having pokemon like Spoink really early gives them a use case

manic kindle
#

i do need to figure out two more goobers for my team, im on Grovyle, Magcargo, Tentacruel, Meditite rn

deft path
#

I cannot believe they banned tera typing in smogon

#

That's genuinely too funny

snow cobalt
#

no way

#

that's

#

wow

deft path
#

Specifically in national dex

#

Which is just like lmfao

#

it's so funny though

snow cobalt
#

it's hilarious

deft path
#

singles is such a style of play that the game is just not designed around

#

at least in regards to competitive viability

pliant violet
#

despite that being the singleplayer experience

deft path
#

it's weird tbh

pliant violet
#

which is like... the majority of pokemon play

deft path
#

yeah its quite odd

#

I do find it really interesting they consciously acknowledge this in the most recent SV dlc

#

the premise there is that it's a competitive Pokémon academy for specifically raising future champions

#

So every trainer fight is a doubles

#

because they're all playing VGC

pliant violet
#

like I wouldn't mind if more stuff was doubles

#

hell I think they should mix stuff up more in general

deft path
#

I would like it

#

I love doubles

pliant violet
#

different bosses doing different shit

deft path
#

I think doubles is the most interesting stuff in the game

pliant violet
#

you fight the third leader and it's a rotation battle

snow cobalt
#

competitive assumes you're at endgame right
During single player you have like... idk access to different mons becomes a part of dungeon design (except in the most recent more open world stuff so)

pliant violet
#

because you had the hubris to believe the game likes you

deft path
#

doubles does require more availability

#

just because what makes doubles strong is the access to support Pokémon

#

And also coding doubles AI is much harde

pliant violet
#

also protect becomes much much better in doubles

deft path
#

protect is already great in singles but in doubles its so cool

#

Because double ups are a big risk

arctic dagger
#

I mean

#

Pretty much every generation gimmick since megas have been kinda rough

#

Imo

#

I like tera, but many things had to go to Ubers because of it

#

So likely a bunch of stuff will get to go back to ou without it

#

I do think allowing it in Ubers would be fine

deft path
arctic dagger
#

Yeah

#

Tera was the closest to doable in a long time

deft path
#

also the moon nuzlocke is going well

arctic dagger
#

I think they could continue to not ban it, but banning it lets a lot of other stuff that was just very hard to deal with be a lot more reasonable

deft path
#

I just OHKO the totem lmao

arctic dagger
#

So I understand the trade-off

wispy yarrow
#

What's the pokemon that comes before magcargo

deft path
#

Slugma

#

slugma poké balls

wispy yarrow
#

Slugma baaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllsssssss

#

Dammit

#

I wasn't fast enough

pliant violet
#

I like tera more than most mechanics

deft path
#

I think tera is the single best gimmick introduced

pliant violet
#

mega is cool but they poisoned the well by giving them to the wrong pokemon

deft path
#

I hope it continutes into gen 10 unironically

pliant violet
deft path
#

megas are cool but overrated imo

#

I think a lot of people are just very nostalgia eyed

pliant violet
#

it's fun, it has interesting stuff for team comp and is usable on just about every pokemon

deft path
#

I expect in gen X we'll discover that usum were slept on and z moves were the best mechanic ever invented

pliant violet
#

Z moves were the worst

#

even dynamax was better

deft path
#

and by gen XII we'll be posting "I miss classic Pokémon like scarlet and violet"

#

I think dynamax had a little sauce

pliant violet
#

May do you think I would ever post like that?

deft path
#

just because of the kaiju factor and also the way it worked as like

#

performance enhancing drugs

pliant violet
#

yeah I didn't hate it but I think tera has it beat

deft path
#

Dynamax was less of a nuke like a z move, and less of an outright permanent power up

pliant violet
#

it's just good

deft path
#

I think tera is the realisation of megas/dynamax

pliant violet
#

my only complaint about tera is it looks kinda silly

#

which I'm ngl is an important thing

deft path
#

Reggie did you hear?

pliant violet
#

no I cut my ears off

deft path
#

there was this level 7 eevee

#

over in the galar region

#

It visits paldea, comes back, and its terastalising into fairy type

#

i just can't understand this new generation ...

pliant violet
#

may

#

friend

#

the internet is eating holes in your mind

deft path
#

Wrong

#

United states presidential election results are eating holes in my mind

#

Internet brainrot is filling them

pliant violet
#

I don't think we'll see tera in gen 10

arctic dagger
#

I thought dynamax was the worst because it was the most boring. Then Z moves because while they were super busted, it is theoretically possible to balance, then megas because they're the same in concept but more interesting mostly, and finally teras because they're by far the most balanced and can apply to every Pokemon on your team

deft path
#

I hope gen X is uh idfk where gen X could take place

pliant violet
#

just storywise it doesn't seem like it'd work

deft path
#

gen X being German would be really funny

pliant violet
arctic dagger
#

Megas could have mostly been evolutions and they would have been fine

pliant violet
#

If they'd only given megas to weaker pokemon I'd have been very happy

arctic dagger
#

Yeah that too

deft path
#

what up bro here in the Borlin region we hate our first partner Pokémon, don't value friendships, and our regional food is sausage slop

arctic dagger
#

But at that point they could just give evos to the weaker Pokemon

#

And I'd be even happier

deft path
pliant violet
#

unless 3 stagers

deft path
#

Mawile and her across and pincir

pliant violet
#

mega beedrill for example

arctic dagger
#

Nah I'm ok with 4 stages

deft path
#

there's no law that stops you from evolving a fourth time

snow cobalt
#

whose across

deft path
#

it's just not been done before

arctic dagger
#

Hera's Cross

#

Don't get in her way

pliant violet
#

I like 3 as a number better than 4

deft path
#

stepnix did you hear

pliant violet
#

4 is death

snow cobalt
#

oh okay

arctic dagger
#

Zeus has been a dick again

pliant violet
#

may if you do it again

#

I'll just delete it

snow cobalt
pliant violet
#

abuse my mod powers

deft path
#

they're sending these Pokémon to the kalos region and mega evolving them

#

a fourth stage of evolution!

pliant violet
#

ok this one is different

snow cobalt
#

whoah

deft path
#

it's unheard of, it shouldn't be done

snow cobalt
#

how dare

deft path
#

I just can't understand this generation

#

And over in alola?

pliant violet
#

but yeah I think Gen X is gonna be aus

deft path
#

they're putting chemicals in the water turning the grimers dark type

pliant violet
#

it's gotta be right

#

finally?

deft path
pliant violet
pliant violet
arctic dagger
#

I'm betting Africa with mega tododile

deft path
#

there's not gonna be megas in gen x

pliant violet
arctic dagger
#

Oh right I was thinking of the Z game

deft path
arctic dagger
#

Not Gen 10

pliant violet
#

np, that's one I mess up often too

arctic dagger
#

I have no thoughts on gen10

deft path
#

i would be highly concerned if legends a to z would be african

pliant violet
#

A-Z is in kalos in the future

deft path
#

Considering its FRENCH

pliant violet
#

lumiose city in the future

deft path
#

first pro colonial Pokémon game!?

pliant violet
#

it's all paris now

deft path
#

i hope gen x adds an important pokemon

#

Bun with a gun

#

don't actually

#

I don't want pal world comparisons

#

They should instead add a Holland lop that uhhhh

#

Im just describing regional bunnersby

pliant violet
arctic dagger
#

I think I'd want a Chinese or Indian generation most

#

When I think about it

deft path
#

i did think gen x india could be cool

pliant violet
#

I don't trust a japanese company doing china inspired stuff

#

for reasons

arctic dagger
#

For good reasons but

pliant violet
#

India would be cool though

arctic dagger
#

IDK it's child friendly enough it might be ok

pliant violet
#

yeah not saying it couldn't be excellent

arctic dagger
#

That it doesn't get weird

deft path
pliant violet
#

I'm just paranoid

deft path
#

Yakuza when they gotta make a character a villain so now he's secretly korean

arctic dagger
#

I'm sorry what

pliant violet
#

oh yeah you cannot have a korean inspired pokemon game

arctic dagger
#

Is that a thing

#

That's so weird

pliant violet
#

there's a lot of anti-korean sentiment in japan

deft path
#

and the Japanese guys you were fighting? they're secretly HALF Korean

pliant violet
#

but yeah I'm biased because australian but also like, I think it'd make for a good region

deft path
#

Like a dragon works to fix this a lot

pliant violet
#

Ala Alola

deft path
#

Reggie how do you feel about the fact that komala would be in gen X but not original

arctic dagger
#

Yes that I'm aware of

#

I just was not aware of the specific instance in the Yakuza games

deft path
#

the secret Koreans trope is real though

#

it's in so many of their games

pliant violet
arctic dagger
#

I choose to believe you

#

That would be hilarious

pliant violet
#

that's explained by being nightmares or something

arctic dagger
#

Giratina-corrupted komalas

pliant violet
#

it's also always asleep but it's an asshole because it's having nightmares

deft path
#

Bob semple tank regional metagross

pliant violet
#

low blow

arctic dagger
#

Kangaroos obviously fighting type

pliant violet
#

we've got an insane level of biodiversity to pull from, for shit that's not really suitable for other regions

deft path
#

That's not in its learn set

arctic dagger
#

Maybe fighting dark?

pliant violet
#

fighting ground

deft path
pliant violet
#

kangaskhan sorta

arctic dagger
#

Kangakhan ish but

#

It's more lizard

deft path
#

Just make it regional kanghaskan

arctic dagger
#

I think we'd get an actual kangaroo

pliant violet
#

it's got the pouch

#

for starters you'd get a kangaroo, an emu, and like... a platypus?

deft path
#

I should work more on my fakemons

arctic dagger
#

I'd rather get an actual mammalian one than a regional kangaskan

pliant violet
#

not pokemon just those animals

deft path
#

Magmell is a funny lil region

pliant violet
#

maybe a monitor lizard?

arctic dagger
#

Platypus is a water type that starts as just a duck and gets weirder and weirder traits as it evolves

deft path
#

I need to come up with starters tho

arctic dagger
#

Ends as water poison

deft path
#

For context magmell is my fakemon region based on Ireland

pliant violet
#

kangaroo grass type, emu fire type

deft path
#

where I made the highland cow Pokémon

#

For regional miltank

pliant violet
#

fun fact did you know emu feathers are super oily?

deft path
#

yes I am aware that the isle of armour already exists

#

But that is the isle of MANN

#

Not ireland

arctic dagger
#

Kangaroos grass/fighting, and emus fire/ground maybe?

#

Another grass/fighting physical attacker is kinda rough

pliant violet
#

I was thinking get weird with it

#

Grass Flying

#

cause they jump

arctic dagger
#

Hmmm.

#

What about grass/normal?

pliant violet
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that is an option, never been a normal type starter

deft path
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A dolphin starter is fairly obvious for the region

pliant violet
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I like platypus better

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starters should be able to come on land

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and everywhere has dolphins

arctic dagger
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I was just thinking it has a hidden move that boosts kicking moves

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Hidden ability I mean

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And thought of mega kick, which admittedly is terrible

pliant violet
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do you know that male kangaroos are called boomers?

deft path
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For ireland

pliant violet
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Grass Electric? boom is thunder?

pliant violet
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Ireland has dolphins?

pliant violet
arctic dagger
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But it could get trop kick, high jump kick, and a normal type kick unique kick move

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Let's go Eevee

pliant violet
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lalalalalala not real game never heard of it

deft path
pliant violet
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huh, cool fact

deft path
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The punt

pliant violet
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Emu actually might be better as an electric type but then the matchups get less perfect (which I don't mind)

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cause they're fast

deft path
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The Irish coin traditionally displays the harp and an animal/king

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This has been true since uhhhh

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1400? 1300?

pliant violet
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and bushfires in aus are often started by lightning

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ok I'm cooking with a bushfire emu fire/electric type

arctic dagger
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Electric is tough with a starter

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Because you end up with ground type as the outlier

pliant violet
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I actually don't mind if the final stage starter triangle isn't perfect

arctic dagger
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In order to make any triangles

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Yeah me either just noting

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It often isn't

pliant violet
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it's final stage, you're gonna have coverage

deft path
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The old punt kinda cooked

pliant violet
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I don't want to do grass fighting, grass normal is an option but I'm not really feeling it, grass fairy is overdone

arctic dagger
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Pure Water, fire/electric, and grass/ground maybe?

wispy yarrow
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Psychic > Fighting > Dark starter trio

pliant violet
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Water Poison

arctic dagger
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Water is then neutral into both the others

wispy yarrow
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Give it to us Gamefreak

arctic dagger
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Water poison has ground good into both types

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Is my concern there

languid lichen
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monos with multis is cringe though

pliant violet
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yeah

arctic dagger
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looks at gen1

pliant violet
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and mono starters in general feels like a letdown

arctic dagger
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Poor blastoise

pliant violet
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should've been water steel type

deft path
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facts honestly

arctic dagger
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Yeah but steel didn't exist yeah

languid lichen
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i still want a starter trio that's all dragon secondary

pliant violet
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oh wait, grass steel? he's a mining kangaroo

deft path
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Reggie did you hear?

languid lichen
deft path
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They're turning the magnemites into steel types

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They can't do that

pliant violet
languid lichen
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hm, let me amend

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blastoise shuffled so empoleon could slide

deft path
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for magmell I think I'd do deer/dolphin/dog

languid lichen
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i want to see a rock type deer pokemon with petrified wood antlers at some point

mellow robin
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I really want a regional rock/ghost rotom that possesses fossils

languid lichen
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baby form that's grass/fire, evos that are grass/fire and rock/fire

languid lichen
arctic dagger
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Grass/steel, fire/electric, water/ghost

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It's my main thought

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The secondaries all are completely neutral to each other

mellow robin
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fire/electric is sick typing

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plasma vibes

languid lichen
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we need more of them than just rotom

pliant violet
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actually it's a bushfire emu

languid lichen
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and uhhh