POKÉMON CENTER

[thorny geyser]

yeah rotom heat is the only one

[arctic dagger]

The 4x ground weekness is a bit rough since it doesn't have levitate

And its abilities aren't great except Solar Power

So it kinda forces you onto a Sun team

But TBH that's mostly fine

Sun teams are good

Misteon with Misty Surge is nuts

Lookit this fucking resistance chart

Holy fuck

It's an insane special wall, and misty surge of course makes it status immune

[south laurel]

I like Misteon and Mooreon

[arctic dagger]

Moon Blast/Fire Blast for stab, Tailwind for setup along with Misty Terrain, you'd really like nice grass type coverage but you can get... Magical Leaf? XD WHich isn't great.

So probably just Psychock or Reflect

Or Calm Mind

Or Toxic

God so many choices

XD

[soft isle]

oooh this is really cool

Tohu (Any) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) https://pokemon-daybreak.fandom.com/wiki/Dualeons 📎

[arctic dagger]

It is!

They all get cool abilities too

Some of them are not super useful, IIRC there's one that's a split attacker with low speed and defenses for instance

Lmao

[azure crane]

https://x.com/retrofeather/status/1819556263677792310

retrofeather (@retrofeather) on X

remember to keep a good posture!

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 2:09 AM

[red rampart]

https://x.com/SquiddlyKiti_/status/1818481884630073771

Kiti✨ (@SquiddlyKiti_) on X

im the biggest slither wing fan

Twitter · Jul 31, 2024, 3:00 AM

[karmic imp]

What pokemon would be nice to be?

Delphox looks cool

[soft isle]

https://tenor.com/view/umbreon-dark-type-blacky-pokemon-cute-gif-17249139

[manic kindle]

It'd be chill to be a cocoon pokemon

[arctic dagger]

I'd really want to be one of the stronger psychic types so I could actually talk with people

[manic kindle]

Poke-telepathy is pretty neat

[arctic dagger]

Being Oricorio would be cool since you could change your type

Maybe just Slowking.

Hard as balls to kill, doesn't have the derpiness of slowbro

[wispy yarrow]

I would love to be a Slowking

Just chillin

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, I think I'd go with Reuniclus, Slowking, or Mr Rime after a quick scan

[wispy yarrow]

Bein' smart

Can still communicate with humans

I had this idea a long time ago of psychic pokemon abusing the fact that they can "talk" to humans

To just

ROAST the opposing trainer in their head

[arctic dagger]

Lmao

If I was a Mr. Rime I'd legit just, pretend to be a human most of the time.

Just put on a big coat.

[soft isle]

same if I got Zoroark’d, just illusion all the time and everyone else has no idea

[arctic dagger]

There's so many fanfictions with that concept.

[manic kindle]

https://youtu.be/loaeCbPXT6k?si=bwAJjPeSFuA1cbcF

Slowking also has a new funny signature move thats very silly

[arctic dagger]

Chilly Reception?

[soft isle]

oh I’m aware :P I was an OC with that concept before I became part of my system

Tohu (Any) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) There's so many fanfictions with that concept.

[manic kindle]

OC now a part of a system, you got a promotion

[azure crane]

https://x.com/nose_poke000/status/1819337112476656095

のせ (@nose_poke000) on X

🐏

Twitter · Aug 2, 2024, 11:39 AM

[karmic imp]

Ah, the sheep pokemon are too cute

[wild thorn]

[azure crane]

https://x.com/TblSlt/status/1819947347398328575

TableSalt 🎨 (comms open) (@TblSlt) on X

Sylvepede fanart ^w^
(I'm losing followers for this and pls don't kill me)

Twitter · Aug 4, 2024, 4:03 AM

[red rampart]

I forget, do we @glacial ore for any eeveelution or just umbreon?

[arctic dagger]

Beautiful.

I love it

[soft isle]

thanks that's terrifying

I will be happy to see almost any Eevee or eeveelution!

Rose, Pinging Doll (It/Its) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) I forget, do we @glacial ore for any eeveelution or just umbreon?

[red rampart]

Is this one the almost?

[soft isle]

Yes! ^_^ We do like Sylveon, but could do without the Sylvepede.

[arctic dagger]

XD

[foggy mango]

Who would win?
Sylvepede or biblically accurate Dudunsparce?

[arctic dagger]

Biblically accurate dudunsparce feels like it could be a real thing

As like, Mega Dudunsparce or something

Something like this

By https://www.deviantart.com/thejonmachine

Just more segments and more tail segments

https://www.reddit.com/r/MandJTV/comments/152go4c/ocevolution_concept_for_dudunsparce_redunsparce/

Althoguh personally I like this one

Normal/Bug probably?

OH SHIT

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=457804799881754&id=100069567135810&set=a.350617617267140&locale=hi_IN

THIS IS SO COOL

[foggy mango]

Honestly? The first one is the best one imo, just because it leans in on the sillyness of Dudunsparce as an evo

[arctic dagger]

They're all great IMO

But I agree the last 2 are more like... Separate evos?

Rather than in the same line

Like I'd expect dunsparce -> dudunsparce -> 1st, dunsparce -> bug dunsparce, dunsparce -> regional fuzzy dudunsparce -> Biblically Accurate Dudunsparce

Something like that.

Branching evos, that's the term

The third one doesn't look like it comes from dudunsparce

[azure crane]

I want to see an infinite Dudunsparce.

In battle, it just stretches to the vanishing point.

[arctic dagger]

Ouroborosparce

Probably Oroborosparce

For spelling

[soft isle]

Tsuchinoko... real

[round perch]

https://youtu.be/HPVXjBkW0Ts?si=5gngiGH2q2GdboZG

Mostly a video about how certain mechanics sort of create an identity of a type without fully being one.

[trail bridge]

https://fixvx.com/blueralts/status/1820838866841948598

[snow cobalt]

fake
the real one is level 80

[foggy mango]

Wild THE BEAN appeared!
Nicknamed ass mfer

[trail bridge]

the noise it makes is kinda funky

[languid lichen]

https://fixupx.com/spicyBeefu/status/1779904061115871697

[pliant violet]

It’d have the most banging music

[languid lichen]

hell yeah it would

[languid lichen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE8W-6LIovA speaking of great pokemon music

[soft isle]

Can we get some thoughts on an Emerald battle tower singles team? The format is 3 Pokemon per side

Umbreon @ Leftovers

• Synchronize
  Taunt
  Curse
  Baton Pass
  Moonlight

Aerodactyl @ White Herb

• Rock Head
  Rock Slide
  Earthquake
  Double Edge
  Hidden Power Fighting

Starmie @ Leftovers

• Natural Cure
  Thunderbolt
  Surf
  Psychic
  Ice Beam

Still deciding on Wish vs Moonlight

[foggy mango]

Wish might be better imo since Moonlight can get wonky due to weather shenanigans

But Moonlight is also easier to get on Umbreon iirc, especially in Gen III

[pliant violet]

I’m assuming on emulator so maybe easier?

[foggy mango]

If it's emulator, yeah it might be easier

[soft isle]

Nope, playing on hardware

We don’t mind the difficulty in getting Wish, that’s not a problem here

[red rampart]

Wish seems like it would have good synergy with baton pass

[soft isle]

Yeah wish is what we normally run, but nothing would be taking hits enough to benefit from wish

[manic kindle]

wish can make for safe switch ins for starmie (aero is fragile so idk if it helps really)

[soft isle]

Curse tanks speed so BP will happen after the opponent acts

[manic kindle]

true

for aero, does Double-Edge hit anything specifically that the rock/earth coverage doesnt handle?

[soft isle]

Not that we’re aware of, but having a 130p normal move without recoil due to rock head is pretty good

[manic kindle]

yeah, and the only other real option is Aerial Ace outside of specific goober strats

other than that, everything looks great imo

boltbeam starmie Just Works

[soft isle]

Yeah it seems like the perfect addition for dealing with the mons that Aerodactyl can’t handle and it doesn’t need much setup

[azure crane]

Is Starmie not bulky enough to replace one of the attacking moves with Recover?

[soft isle]

Recover is an option, but we don’t want to give up the coverage from one of the other moves. Surf and Psychic are both too good to consider replacing

[manic kindle]

later parts of the emerald battle tower make it a lot harder for middle bulks like starmie to find time to heal, too

[soft isle]

Hmmmmm aaactually we looked at a type coverage checker and Surf isn’t actually increasing our type coverage at all

[azure crane]

Are you going to Baton Pass Curse to Aerodactyl and get the speed drops off with White Herb?

[soft isle]

Yup that’s the strat

Zemyla (any pronouns) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) Are you going to Baton Pass Curse to Aerodactyl and get the speed drops off with White Herb?

[azure crane]

Wait, it's Battle Tower, not a tournament against other humans.

[olive kayak]

Emerald BT singles running that? Yeah, curse pass looks pretty good. I didn't actually know baton pass worked that way with white herb, that's pretty cool.

I really like the Starmie covering a lot of the threats like all the Medichams, the Machamps, Hypno 3, etc. I think one mon your team underestimates is Tauros...1? The one with EQ and dedge. It has lead priority in BT and Starmie can't switch in on a double edge (probably does around 60% to umbreon pre boost).

Bascically my worry is your team doesn't have an answer for those high attack STAB double edge mons because nothing can switch into them.

I'm wondering how many of the psychics actually threaten you other than Medicham, which Gengar also answers

Cos I like the Starmie but it might want to be Gengar

Gengar does answer the shadow ball Tauroses btw because you just come in on double edge then blow up

cos that's the other big tool Gengar gives you: explosion

[soft isle]

yeah, Gengar was the other mon we were looking at instead of Starmie

the idea for the high damage physical sweepers like Tauros is that Umbreon's bulky enough to eat a hit, then slow passes one or two curse buffs to the sweeper

wonder how the math works out if Umbreon eats a stab double edge, curses, eats another, then moonlights

[azure crane]

Depends on if you get critted.

[arctic dagger]

There's calculators for this

[mellow robin]

it looks decent

this is with +1 defense from curse

assumes max HP umbreon and a roughly defense EV split

[azure crane]

What happens if someone Taunts you?

Do Battle Tower oponents use Taunt?

[mellow robin]

there are two battle tower Pokemon with taunt (over 245 different Pokemon, apparently)

murkrow and mightyena

[olive kayak]

WOW, yeah okay that Umbreon eats Tauros dedge a LOT better than I thought it would, you are actually fine and don't really need a tauros counter and after a couple curses just have to dodge crit to not get boomed on

crit still sucks so the option of using Gengar and booming on it instead is there

[mellow robin]

part of it is that there's no tauros choice band set, so it can't hit that hard

[olive kayak]

True.

Yeah I guess the only one that's really scary in frontier is ursaring

and I guess the random stuff with CB brick break

255+ Atk Choice Band Ursaring Mega Kick vs. 252 HP / 120 Def Umbreon: 141-166 (69.8 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Okay so Ursaring 5 will obliterate you.

but I think hoenstly the ONLY lead you're afraid of is Ursaring 5

and a few crits from things like Tauros 1

[mellow robin]

oh, interesting
it looks like you're faster than Ursaring 5 (assuming perfect EVs and a neutral Speed nature from you), yadda yadda I didn't put that into the simulator), which is actually kinda a problem because otherwise you could do a slow Baton Pass out to Aerodactyl and 2HKO it with HP Fighting. There's arguably a world where you skimp on a few Speed IVs, though I realize that could cause problems elsewhere and would be annoying to breed for.

[foggy mango]

Keep in mind that Mega Kick has an accuracy of 70, so it’s also likely that they could miss. Not a strategy to exploit per se, but it is something to keep in mind.

[mellow robin]

also very true!

[foggy mango]

They don’t call it Focus Miss for nothing, after all

[olive kayak]

yeah, Ursaring 5 is a PROBLEM, you end up having to roll a lot of dice

it's not an autoloss but deep in a streak I wouldn't want to see it

[soft isle]

okay so we're thinking about this some more, we mentioned above that having Surf doesn't actually increase our type coverage at all according to the type coverage checker we used

so using Gengar seems like a pretty straightforward improvement since it can learn Thunderbolt and Ice Punch. Bit less power on Ice Punch over Ice Beam, but being immune to Ursaring 5's Mega Kick seems really good to have. That ghost typing gives a lot of utility

Gengar @ Leftovers

• Levitate
  Psychic
  Thunderbolt
  Ice Punch
  Explosion

Is what we're thinking right now

could do HP Grass instead of Psychic

we wish Shedinja was runnable on a Battle Tower team, it's one of our favorite gen 3 mons

[azure crane]

https://x.com/PSIBunny/status/1821365673861300415

PKBunny! (@PSIBunny) on X

Gardevoir with ralts hair vp request

Twitter · Aug 8, 2024, 1:59 AM

[olive kayak]

Yeah I like gengar here because it can come in on a lot of the big choice banded physical threats. Most of them are going to throw a fighting move, double edge, or earthquake at umbreon. Gengar comes in for free on all of those and there aren't that many things that threaten it that don't also threaten starmie

Does umbreon set up on all of the tyranitars? I might be worried about Dragon dance

[arctic dagger]

Gengar just one of the gen3 goats in general

[olive kayak]

If you can get aerodactyl in I'm pretty sure you win that

The trick is pivoting in aerodactyl without it coming in on crunch or rock slide

Check speed on the tyranitars that have Dragon dance and rock slide. I am pretty sure you want your umbreon to be faster than them so that they DD on the first turn. Honestly just getting flinched is scary too

[red rampart]

https://x.com/otonoha0327/status/1821217999808033178

aika (@otonoha0327) on X

Twitter · Aug 7, 2024, 4:13 PM

[red rampart]

#general message
https://fixvx.com/jsketch12/status/1821741245951336739

[south laurel]

Is there a reason the Hex Maniac has such a fandom

[median mist]

Goth girlfriend memes

[snow cobalt]

Cute + spooky

[manic kindle]

Fun design

Memes both good and bad help spread popularity too

[honest cairn]

i literally had no idea what her actual design was for so long lol because i had never played the game

[karmic imp]

Man. Calem's absol beats the shit out of me

Most pokemon faint or get near death

[manic kindle]

Its a strong attacker

[karmic imp]

I need to build mine

My tank, blastoise (though it was in the previous evolution at the type) took an ass kicking

[azure crane]

https://sotanghonn.tpmblr.com/post/753454309650415616/chili-summer

[red rampart]

@woven geyser

[woven geyser]

OH MY GODDDDDDD YES

[eager vine]

https://vxtwitter.com/doppelkreutzz/status/1822122179372429585?s=46
discuss.

[soft isle]

Selene and Lillie next to each other as the gods intended 😌

[covert saffron]

pokémon-based pilot net

i am considering the final nuzlocccke

[arctic dagger]

Not sure what that means but go off.

[near flower]

gay hilbert is true i asked him myself
he is also transgender

[azure crane]

Archie and Maxie should have been next to each other.

They became lovers after the events of Pokémon Emerald. They live in a little house on the shore.

[arctic dagger]

They can only meet at high tide.

[trail bridge]

https://fixupx.com/kishdontmiss/status/1821987006215549318?s=46&t=XpoZcjDQPY4XW5bN6Ikd4g

https://fixupx.com/flughey/status/1822099631016178131?s=46&t=XpoZcjDQPY4XW5bN6Ikd4g
god

[languid lichen]

it's also the only z-move with a name that doesn't suck ass

and it indeed fucking rocks

[red rampart]

Notably it's also the only z-move that actually exhausts the player

[near flower]

you say that but mew's 'genesis supernova' also goes hard

[arctic dagger]

Supersonic Skystrike, Acid Townpour, Tectonic Rage, Continental Crush, Never-Ending Nightmare, Inferno Overdrive, Hydro Vortex....

IDK I like a lot of these

Black Hole Eclipse goes HARD

On the other hand like, Twinkle Tackle? Really?

[near flower]

im partial to the alliteration on malicious moonsault myself

[arctic dagger]

I was about to say I actually mostly dislike the silly alliteration ones

XD

[near flower]

malicious is a hard ass word imo

[arctic dagger]

Ok but Moonsault is uh

[pliant violet]

Alliteration should be silly

[pliant violet]

It’s a wrestling term

Incineroar is a pro wrestler

[arctic dagger]

Ah, ok, that's fine then.

On the other hand, there's Catastropika

XD

[near flower]

HAGANE NO MOONSAULT-!
(cookie if you know where thats from)

[arctic dagger]

I quite like Oceanic Operetta on the other hand so

YMMV

Same with Splintered Stormshards

Splintered Stormshards is particularly a love of mine because I hate Terrain

.>

But that's just being traumatized by a 1v1 meta about nothing but terrain for too long

[wild thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-build-rabbit-tank-hagane-no-moonsault-best-match-kiryu-sento-gif-16281092

[trail bridge]

its named like a Kingdom Hearts spell

or more accurately, a move that a square enix boss would use

[karmic imp]

In Japanese
Heaven-Scorching Light of Destruction

[karmic imp]

Remember a tumblr user saying the psychic guy from the sword and shield island was an egg/closeted

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/OoCPokemon/status/1792238743975587883

[azure crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/monji_samonji/status/1822106603086401641

[soft isle]

So we're thinking about Pokemon that we've underexplored in team-building in the past, and one of our favorites we haven't worked with in a long while is Smeargle. We're playing Emerald, but it's a romhack, so there are around 13 new moves to work with. Most of those moves are just basic attacks though and won't be relevant since it's unusual to use Smeargle as a sweeper anyway

the sets listed on Smogon are all like, agility baton pass or belly drum baton pass or something like that, and we're open to that, especially the latter, but we want to explore more than just those 👀

Baton Pass is fun and we might still go with that since we really love Baton Pass teams for PvE, but there's gotta be other stuff we can do than that. Spikes doesn't seem terribly useful/important since the AI basically never switches Pokemon out anyway

Spore's an auto include since it's just that ridiculously good and lets us do setup stuff. Maybe weather setting? Groudon/Kyogre aren't allowed in the Battle Frontier and it could be cool to try a rain team. There's also screen setting, though we're not sure running Smeargle for that is good over other Pokemon that can set screens and have better stats

Trick Room could be fun to play with if we're looking for Weird Stuff

wait no TR wasn't in Emerald

Smogon also lists a Transform set which sounds really fun:
Smeargle @ Leftovers/Choice Band/Macho Brace
Jolly Nature
Spore
Transform
Explosion/Trick
Reflect/Light Screen

They also note that Smeargle is the only pokemon that can baton pass Tail Glow which sounds hilarious, just pass a Tail Glow to Gengar and GG

we've also thought about passing Agility to Dudunsparce (yes they ported the evo over) to para flinch stuff forever

honestly there's an argument for Dragon Dance as the move to pass

[arctic dagger]

Well the reason to run smeargle as ever is role compression

You run a team that wants to do too many things for one Pokemon to support

[soft isle]

that's why we like it for battle tower - 3v3s

[arctic dagger]

And then smeargle can do it anyway

I mean I guess what I mean to say is, figure out what your too many things you want to do is

[karmic imp]

Too bad we never had a dragon ghost

[pliant violet]

Giratina and Dragapult don’t exist?

[karmic imp]

Oh meant dragon bug

I'm too ghost brained

[languid lichen]

one day, flygon...

one day

mf deserves a levitate+ ability that just adds steelworker for ground

and make it bug/dragon like god intended

[manic kindle]

Its my time

[snow cobalt]

WOOOOOOO

[mellow robin]

helllll yeah

[pliant violet]

This true?

[manic kindle]

Leaks seem reliable

[pliant violet]

El Chico eevee?

[pliant violet]

Oh it’s not golduck

Just psyduck support

[manic kindle]

because he is perfect and without flaw

[pliant violet]

yes

and a good support is always welcome

[manic kindle]

very excited to see wht silly fashion is forced upon the boy

[pliant violet]

The term is drip

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1823026688537579611

[soft isle]

We built a GBA! Millie insisted I use the black and yellow theme, and we happened upon that charm on Etsy.

[snow cobalt]

yoooooooo

[manic kindle]

Yoooooo thats so cool

Umbreon GBA...

[eager vine]

so cool...

[obtuse ravine]

this is great!!

😌

[soft isle]

Yessss I am so happy with how it turned out! It also has tactile buttons like you would find on a GBA SP, so it is excellent for playing Tetris on.

[pliant violet]

clack

[south laurel]

Click

[soft isle]

yoooo they're giving Magcargo Water Absorb in Emerald Legacy, we love this

[manic kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BHkndCP2Rg

[umbral hound]

I was going to say "why does it look like it's a stuffed animal" and then I remembered that seals are, in fact, mammals.

[south laurel]

Oh that’s fuckin’ sick

[manic kindle]

Yellow Legacy has nice sprites

[soft isle]

they put a lot of effort into the Legacy hacks

[manic kindle]

Its very appreciated

Im starting with yellow and going from there

[soft isle]

we still haven't tried one! We've been meaning to play Crystal Legacy with the starter types patch for ages but keep not getting around to it. The abundance of excellent Emerald hacks has been distracting us (also we're putting that new gba to use)

[manic kindle]

I know what you mean; another emerald hack i wanna try just dropped today too

[arctic dagger]

I wish there were more hacks that... Were more focused on JUST the later gens?

Like, we see a lot of Gen1-7, Gen 1-6, Gen 1-9, etc

But it'd be cool to see some like, Gen7-9

Or something

Something to give more of a newer generation experience with a smattering of older gens

[pliant violet]

What do you mean sorry

[arctic dagger]

Like... A lot of romhacks are ALL of the generations

But they often feel like they're focusing on the earlier ones more?

There's 9001 Emerald hacks

But very few X/Y rebuilds

Or Sun/Moon

Etc

[languid lichen]

big part of that is that it's just way easier

[pliant violet]

Ahh

[languid lichen]

to do FRLG or emerald

[pliant violet]

Yeah what topple said

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, ofc

Because you have to work from an existing hack

[pliant violet]

I know there’s some really good x and y ones

[languid lichen]

and the romhack community is additionally full of that gen1-3 nostalgia

and/or nostalgia bait

[arctic dagger]

Yep!

I know why

[pliant violet]

Eternal X springs to mind

[languid lichen]

it's why i play basically zero romhacks

[manic kindle]

Also its easier to emulate gba on phone than 3ds

[languid lichen]

i enjoy hoenn as a region, but if i have to suffer through anything even vaguely GBA-pokemon-related ever again, i will cry

[arctic dagger]

I actually like the top-down GBA perspective

Compared to the newer 3D perspectives

[languid lichen]

oh the perspective is good

i enjoy all of 3-5 on that front

but mechanically?

nuh-uh

[manic kindle]

You see a lot more Original Games now too

[arctic dagger]

Oh, you mean like, physical/special split and stuff?

[pliant violet]

I think the game I most wanna see hacks of is Sun and Moon

I think it’s just ripe for it

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, Sun/Moon hacks would be cool.

[languid lichen]

abilities from gen 3 (and the robust expansions in 4-5), phys/special split in gen 4, weather unfuckening, yeah

[arctic dagger]

Yeah I agree with that.

[pliant violet]

Also I like those games

[arctic dagger]

Almost all of the older generation based hacks I play have all of those anyway thoguih.

[languid lichen]

gens 3-5 all did a lot of things that made pokemon more playable

[arctic dagger]

I think it's more rare to find an Emerald hack that doesn't include abilities, the split, etc

These days

[pliant violet]

I can’t play anything before gen 4

[arctic dagger]

They're kinda just considered QoL

[pliant violet]

I need the split

[languid lichen]

(gen 3 did have abilities)

(they were just rather limited in scope and scale)

[arctic dagger]

Yes, you've said that twice now.

[manic kindle]

100%

[languid lichen]

yes, but you said "an emerald hack that doesn't include abilities", which establishes an assumption that emerald doesn't innately

and i wasn't sure if that was your intent

[arctic dagger]

No

[languid lichen]

so i was reclarifying

[manic kindle]

Honestly sometimes its a bit too much re: backported QOL

[arctic dagger]

Like with what?

[pliant violet]

I need qol I am spoiled

I don’t like my games feeling like a slog

[arctic dagger]

I refuse to play anything that doesn't have like, exp share, no HMs needed, IV/EV easier...

Or removed for IV/EV, that's fine too.

[manic kindle]

Does every hack need a custom iv/ev system or all 1000 pokemon

[arctic dagger]

Not all 1000s pokemon, but I do demand the custom IV/EV system

XD

[manic kindle]

If im playing a Firered Hack sometimes i just want Firered in it yknow

[arctic dagger]

Unless all of the gym pokemon and stuff have 0 IV/EV

[manic kindle]

It can just be a bit Much

[arctic dagger]

But if they have IV/EV, I refuse to play if it's not easy for me too

I don't want to spend hours breeding the perfect Machop

So that I can play on a level field with the gyms

[manic kindle]

Usually kaizo hacks like that its fine

[pliant violet]

I want IV/EV gone

[manic kindle]

Im talking about general stuff

[pliant violet]

And definitely not all Pokémon

[arctic dagger]

I... Still don't understand what you mean I think.

[pliant violet]

Hell I don’t want all Pokémon in the official games

Curate that shit

[arctic dagger]

We don't need regional mammal #11

[soft isle]

We’ve got a great Emerald hack to recommend then if you’re looking for one - Modern Emerald is our actual favorite hack we’ve played. It’s just Emerald with some rebalance, a lot of qol features, and improvements to the battles systems

ReggiesWarOnEverything (He) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) I need qol I am spoiled

[arctic dagger]

As well as regional mammal 1-10

Personally I just, don't play pure remakes of the older games?

Unless they have some new story or something, I have a really hard time caring.

I've already experienced those adventures enough times

[soft isle]

And yeah it has the physical/special split, and what’s rad about that is that it’s an option you could toggle any time. Like we have it off because Sceptile is significantly weaker with it on and that was the starter we chose

MillieCoyote ΘΔ (it/its) 🐺🌲 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) We’ve got a great Emerald hack to recommend then if you’re looking for one - Modern Emerald is our a… 📎

[manic kindle]

Gen5 peak for this

[pliant violet]

It would be if it had designs I liked

Sorry gen 5

[soft isle]

I take offense to this

ReggiesWarOnEverything (He) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) It would be if it had designs I liked

[pliant violet]

That’s ok you can

[manic kindle]

In a Difficulty Hack i like qol with evs/ivs/moves/etc
But not every hack needs all the feature bloat if its not a difficulty hack

[arctic dagger]

Oh, I think I just don't play things that aren't also difficulty hacks to some degree?

I find base pokemon difficulty kinda boring.

[manic kindle]

Ive played... too many hacks where theres clear feature bloat Just Cuz Roms Have Them

[pliant violet]

I’m also in the only play difficulty hacks boat

But that’s in part because I find them to be more polished works

[soft isle]

yeah ngl we like the difficulty hacks

[arctic dagger]

Like, I don't like nuzlock hackes

[soft isle]

Make gym leaders actually boss fights pls

[arctic dagger]

Run & Bun for instance was boring to me because its difficulty is intended as a nuzlocke

If you don't play it as one, it kinda isn't actually hard

[manic kindle]

I play a lot of roms for the story

[pliant violet]

I always use anime rules for leaders

[arctic dagger]

And I don't actually like nuzlockes much

[pliant violet]

Never more Pokémon than they use

[soft isle]

Oh cool, have you played Unbound?

murdoc (he/him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) I play a lot of roms for the story

[manic kindle]

I have its ok

[arctic dagger]

I like Unbound!

[pliant violet]

And never higher level than their highest level

[arctic dagger]

I'm playing that atm

[manic kindle]

Suffers from feature bloat

[soft isle]

We’ve never done a nuzlocke actually

[arctic dagger]

I did a couple

[soft isle]

Thought about it a few times

[arctic dagger]

Decided that it just wasn't the xperience I want

[manic kindle]

I mostly do nuzlockes, funny enough

[pliant violet]

Part of the reason I don’t do that is man a lot of hacks go for edgy story stuff I don’t vibe with

[soft isle]

Yeah this is what we’ve been thinking too

Tohu (Any) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) Decided that it just wasn't the xperience I want

[arctic dagger]

I think the only edgy one I've enjoyed was Reborn

[pliant violet]

I play Pokémon for the childlike wonder it evokes in me

[arctic dagger]

There was another one that was like, BLEEDING edge that I tried and it was clearly just TRYING REALLY HARD TO BE EDGY

[soft isle]

Also we just don’t like the flavor of Pokemon dying if they faint .-.

[arctic dagger]

And that I don't enjoy

[pliant violet]

Nostalgia is good actually

[arctic dagger]

I liked Reborn because while it was dark, it felt like realism dark rather than super edgelord dark

[manic kindle]

This is true

[arctic dagger]

People had shitty real people problems

Not "Giratina is actually demanding human sacrifice" dark

[manic kindle]

Pokemon Dreams has my favorite story thus far

[pliant violet]

Yeah not for me thanks

[manic kindle]

Pokemon Dreams is just... nice.

[pliant violet]

I really liked sword and shield for how it was mostly just a “wow cool Pokémon” story

[arctic dagger]

Uranium was kinda dark in a way I enjoyed too.

In that it was MOSTLY people being happy but like

The world itself had some pretty dark themes

[pliant violet]

Then they went and ruined it by doing the villain twist I saw back in the announcement trailer

[soft isle]

Strong agree

ReggiesWarOnEverything (He) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) Then they went and ruined it by doing the villain twist I saw back in the announcement trailer

[arctic dagger]

Sword and Shield felt like the "twist" was added on kinda last minute because they realized they needed someone to be evil

[languid lichen]

uranium was pretty damn good

[arctic dagger]

Like there was basically no building up to it IMO

[pliant violet]

Yeah they didn’t need someone to be evil

[soft isle]

We completely forgot about Dreams until now! Maybe we should try it

murdoc (he/him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) Pokemon Dreams is just... nice.

[arctic dagger]

You just do the league and then suddenly WELL WE NEED EVIL IN THE POKEMON GAMES I GUESS

It felt really out of nowhere to me

[soft isle]

They get a lot of points for having Dunsparce on the title screen

[foggy mango]

It's even funnier because Rose imo isn't even that evil.

||Especially if you're coming off of OG Sun & Moon||

[pliant violet]

Yeah I think they could’ve taken team yell out of the game and given us an even more pure league game

Rose is an idiot capitalist

[arctic dagger]

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/84675/like-no-one-ever-was Really enjoying this fanfic btw. MC wakes up as Nemona as a kid, gets her signature Dunsparce, etc

[pliant violet]

“Yes let’s risk everything right now because of a problem down the road we have time to plan for and fix”

[soft isle]

Oooh ty

Tohu (Any) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/84675/like-no-one-ever-was Really enjoying this fanfic btw. MC wa… 📎

We love Pokemon fanfics so please feel free to throw us your favorites

[arctic dagger]

I don't read many of them

They often end up... Too in the weeds, I guess?

[pliant violet]

To be clear Zen, to me this is evil

[arctic dagger]

One of the truest evils around IMO

[manic kindle]

Not just that, Dunsparce is the ace of your rival and its Genuinely Scary

[arctic dagger]

Most evils think they'er doing good at least. Idiot capitalists are usually just selfish.

[pliant violet]

But yes they could’ve not done the macro cosmos stuff and modified team yell and made the game a pure league thing

And it would’ve been near perfect

[foggy mango]

Yeah that's fair.

[pliant violet]

That’s some thing I really do want and I think Galars stadiums and vibe would’ve fit perfectly

[soft isle]

Okay yeah we gotta try this

murdoc (he/him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) Not just that, Dunsparce is the ace of your rival and its Genuinely Scary

[arctic dagger]

A pure league thing would be cool if they actually expanded upon its function.

[pliant violet]

Well yeah they’d have to

[manic kindle]

The finale being Team Yell accidentally dynamaxing too many pokemon to sabotage you from reaching the finals would still fit

[arctic dagger]

Part of what made me enjoy Reborn so much was the "Gym of every type, each has very cool type specific gameplans"

[pliant violet]

Also have Larry there

Larry in every Pokémon game

[arctic dagger]

Yes

Larry is pure

[foggy mango]

Yes

[arctic dagger]

Larry is in the fanfic I just linked ofc

[foggy mango]

Larry in every Pokemon game ever please

[arctic dagger]

So far only briefly but MC is like "YOU"RE MY FAVORITE GYM LEADER" because she's training a Dunsparce

[pliant violet]

He deserves an alolan holiday like grimsley got

[arctic dagger]

And Larry is like "Wtf I'm no one's favorite gym leader"

"Are you ok kid?"

[pliant violet]

Larry is not my favourite gym leader

He’s my favourite elite four member

And gym leader

And maybe league member altogether

[foggy mango]

He would be my favorite Elite Four member ever if a) Rika didn't exist, and more importantly b) Rika's partner wasn't Clodsire

[arctic dagger]

He might be my favorite canonical character in general TBH

[pliant violet]

He’s pretty great

He’s so me fr fr

I like that his elite four type is hinted at in his design, but you’d never know without prior knowledge

Also his type combo works so well given how common a pairing it is

I do think it helps that paldean gym leaders have designs that’re less obvious in what type they are

Like it works for Larry

[arctic dagger]

How is him being Flying given away?

[pliant violet]

His tie

[arctic dagger]

Just it has clouds on it?

[pliant violet]

It’s blue with clouds yeah

[arctic dagger]

Yeah ok.

That's VERY subtle yeah

[pliant violet]

Yeah

But once you know you know

[arctic dagger]

I kinda wish that he had more Normal/Flying types

Rather than just Staraptor

[pliant violet]

That’s fair yeah

[arctic dagger]

Also felt odd he didn't have a Bombirdier to me

[foggy mango]

I think that's more because Bombirdier is one of the Titans

[pliant violet]

Wait doesn’t poppy have an orthworm?

[foggy mango]

Does she?

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, but it's one of like, only three flying types in gen9, I'd just expect him to have both of them.

Er, 2/3

[pliant violet]

There’s only 3?

[arctic dagger]

Actually yeah, having an Oricorio instead of a Kilowattrel is weird

[pliant violet]

Kilowattrel bombirdier

[arctic dagger]

Flamigo

[pliant violet]

Ahh

[arctic dagger]

He has Flamigo

But that's it

And has an electric oricorio

So why not just give him Kilowattrel?

[pliant violet]

That design trips me up, it feels like a water flying to me

[arctic dagger]

Flamigo?

Fighting/Flying, yeah

[pliant violet]

Does any other important npc have one

I know they try to avoid overlap

[arctic dagger]

Not... THat I remember?

[pliant violet]

I think nemona might? But you’re right in that it’d be better on the flying specialist regardless

Wait does streamer girl have one

[arctic dagger]

Nah Nemona has a Pawmot

[foggy mango]

Nemona doesn’t since she uses Pawmot

I think Iono uses one

[arctic dagger]

Nemona always has Lycanroc, Kommo-, Pawmot, shifted starter, shifted starter from gen 6 or 7, and then a type filler

[pliant violet]

Ye

[arctic dagger]

The earlier shifted starter is a Goodra before end of game

And Dudunsparce and an Orthworm are there earlier

So most of the game she's lycanroc/goodra/dudunsparce/orthworm/pawmot/starter

Sidenote: Paldean Tauros are so cool

Such a neat way to bring life to Tauros again

[mellow robin]

It's a quest, so technically fic-adjacent, but it's really quite good
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/unprecedented-times-a-pokemon-ranger-quest.121855/#post-29029099
MC is a ranger helping with disaster relief after Pokemon Emerald

[manic kindle]

https://x.com/PewZero/status/1825389566146101611?t=UK2zgKnYmorZF5EYCC7pmg&s=19

Pew 🎏✨ (@PewZero) on X

Doot Doo Doo two best friends on a stroll to the laguna

Twitter · Aug 19, 2024, 4:29 AM

[pliant violet]

You see the stuff on how they’re updating ranked?

[manic kindle]

No i havent looked

[pliant violet]

oh they're changing to no time limit five hundred points wins

with modified objective pokemon

[manic kindle]

ooo interesting

no time limit is certainly a change

[pliant violet]

Yeah and when your team hits certain score intervals you get to pick one of 3 randomly selected bonuses

The 3 are randomly selected from 5 that’re tied to that point total

It looks at least as fast as it is currently

Objectives spawn a lot more often

[manic kindle]

i like that

[pliant violet]

The bonuses interest me

It’s like every 50 points then jumps to every hundred? Something like that

You get one at game start which is a bonus exp one

The three I saw for game start was “get more exp for scoring with a 60 second cool down” “get more exp for kills same cool-down” “start at level 4”

https://youtu.be/dk0NBtp7BqE?si=Q5aIlBq6FKNsMDH9

[olive kayak]

I will give my expert commentary on what happened at the TCG world championships now.

AYYYYYLMAO

[umbral hound]

This si about the televised cheating?

...also, I just saw the move Lucky Chant get referenced in a fic, and then realized I had completely forgotten that move existed.

(It's no longer in the game, and I doubt anybody cares.)

[snow cobalt]

What does it even do

Prevents crits?

[snow cobalt]

lol

[umbral hound]

yeah it stops the user's team from getting crit for 5 turns.

are there any other moves like it and Safeguard which provide a protective effect that isn't a screen? Or did all of them except Safeguard get dropped due to sucking?

After a bit of wiki-searching, there's Mist, which prevents the user's side of the field from having their stats reduced (except by their own moves).

What other lingering protective effects like that might theoretically be good?

...would a temporary shield dust/covert cloak effect, where secondary effects of attacks don't apply, be too strong?

[mellow robin]

I think it kinda has the Mist problem where it's pretty niche

[pliant violet]

aurora veil?

[mellow robin]

blocking Fake Out is kinda nice but that's still pretty good... Problem is that there are other good 'mon and tools for that (psychic surge, armor tail)

[pliant violet]

technically not a screen

[mellow robin]

uhhh the terrain moves, kinda? Arguably the Pledge moves can

[umbral hound]

Rototller's a good one.

...remember when gen V came out and people thought Diggersby would be good and then "but Diggersby though" became a meme briefly?

[mellow robin]

Unfortunately that was before my time as a Pokefan

[umbral hound]

...you ever think about how the Ground/Steel Galarian Stunfisk has a Grass-type signature move?

I guess it's grass-type in grassy terrain... why did we need Galarian Stunfisk again?

[mellow robin]

it's got a cool design idea as a bear trap fish, but unfortunately it's let down by the everything else about it

[umbral hound]

true...

[arctic dagger]

Ok but diggersby with huge power is actually pretty decent? Stab huge power fake out and quick attack on a chassis with swords dance isn't bad at all

[trail bridge]

is it about the guy who got disqualified for ||making the motion of jacking off?|| (slightly nsfw)

[languid lichen]

aurora veil is a screen, it gets extended by light clay and squished by defog and brick break/psyfangs

it can exist the same time as the og screens, but they don't stack with each other

[snow cobalt]

https://x.com/OnlyModyx/status/1825574052603281443?t=lEkzlML7omzd3zv0zkptJg&s=19

Holy Mody 🇻🇪💜 (@OnlyModyx) on X

Eeveelutions Family: Umbreon! The main source of income in the house, the second in charge right after her wife

Twitter · Aug 19, 2024, 4:42 PM

[pliant violet]

@glacial ore

[soft isle]

Already had the react emote up.

[umbral hound]

I'm not saying it's bad. But people thought it would be A Force To Be Reckoned With in smogon OU and then it simply wasn't.

[soft isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC6WdJCldzI

An orchestra played a lot of the music from the third generation games!

[pliant violet]

https://youtu.be/YSMm7fTzigA?si=yhrqrf8rkNJA5Bxo @manic kindle

@jolly pendant this is one of the pokemon coming to unite

[jolly pendant]

Honestly if I was in my MOBA phase this would be so good for me

[obtuse ravine]

is this only on switch and mobile

[pliant violet]

Ye

[obtuse ravine]

weh

[soft isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6uw0qaubkg

[arctic dagger]

#alwayshasbeen

If anything it's worse than it used to be

[soft isle]

we really don't envy those trying to compete in VGC considering how hard they are cracking down on hacked teams

[arctic dagger]

Yeah, the cracking down on hacked teams makes it way worse.

[foggy mango]

To be fair, Gens VIII and especially IX have made things like getting perfect max IVs much more trivial to obtain thanks to raids providing Pokemon with 4+ perfect IVs at the higher tiers and easy access to bottle caps. All we really need now is something that can drop IVs to 0, but I don't know if they'd ever consider doing it since 0 IVs are primarily used for maximizing speed in Trick Room

[soft isle]

and setting attack to 0 for special sweepers so they get hit less hard by Foul Play

[pliant violet]

It’s easier than ever to make optimal teams but also you absolutely need to now and it’s still time consuming as hell

[foggy mango]

It'll always be faster than doing it in Gen III though screams in "I'll just effort train my Aerodactyl in FireRed."

[pliant violet]

Oh abso fucking lutely

Also managing Tera types is another very tedious and time consuming thing

That for proper optimisation is something you really should do with every Pokémon

[karmic imp]

I've been trying to train a bunch of pokemon at once to see what I vibe with, but that makes the game tedious, and gives me a harder time

At this point, maybe I should just check the XY meta

[cerulean dune]

Have the other games gotten EV training as rapid as ORAS yet?

[foggy mango]

I don’t think EV training will ever be as fast as it was in ORAS

[snow cobalt]

early gen appreciation site
https://bluemoonfalls.com/

[soft isle]

oh hell yeah

[pliant violet]

If anyone likes auto chess games there’s a Pokémon one

[manic kindle]

good luck logging in to play it

its neat but the servers are always at max 😭

[pliant violet]

Yeah I’m just trying

[azure crane]

https://x.com/kokesa_kerokero/status/1826226704387547298

苔錆 (@kokesa_kerokero) on X

なかよし！😸😼

Twitter · Aug 21, 2024, 11:55 AM

[languid lichen]

sneasels :)

[arctic dagger]

So

Turns out we might have been spoiled on the starters for Z-A

That are getting new regional forms

[pliant violet]

oh?

[arctic dagger]

There's no way for me to post the image on mobile and spoil it I think

[pliant violet]

dm me and i can

[arctic dagger]

But the Scarlett and Violet fun pack shows 3 starters

And the sw/sh fun pack showed the Arceus starters

Done

So if history is a good marker for the future in this case

I'm very excited

[arctic dagger]

Not sure the fire starter needs it but uh

The other two definitely can benefit from a regional form

[pliant violet]

||Needs a regional form so I can run two of it in competitive formats and ruin them even more||

[arctic dagger]

Lmao

Do they count regional forms as different Pokemon for that?

[pliant violet]

no clue

[arctic dagger]

What do you think we'll get as second typing?

[soft isle]

almost exactly the starters we had hoped for

ReggiesWarOnEverything (He) ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1160615504562638910 message)

Not massive ||Litten|| fans, but we are open to seeing what its third stage looks like :3

[arctic dagger]

For the middle one I think fighting is most obvious but

I could see a lot of things

[pliant violet]

I want them to do wild shit with it

Make one of them a dragon

Fuck it

[arctic dagger]

Yeah

[languid lichen]

make all of them dragons

[arctic dagger]

That would in fact be wild but I think unlikely

I can really only see the middle one going dragon

[pliant violet]

I can see the grass starter going dragon

||World turtle shit isn’t far off like tarrasque type dragons||

[arctic dagger]

Yeah k

That's true

[languid lichen]

||I've also seen more than one cat-dragon fusion monster in fantasy||

[arctic dagger]

No way third one is a dragon though

That one I just don't believe

One thing is that I think it'd be cool if they do like, grass/water, water/fire, fire/grass

[pliant violet]

possible

i think some types are overused for starters

[arctic dagger]

||Island turtle, Godzilla, IDK something with the damn cat||

[pliant violet]

fighting for example

[arctic dagger]

Yeah

I think it's very likely one of them is fighting type

I think it's pretty likely we get fighting/psychic/dark triangle again or something

[pliant violet]

i want never before seen starter types

[arctic dagger]

Or fighting/dark/ghost

Uh

Ice, dragon...

What else?

Bug

Oh my God imagine if we get them left to right as dragon ice bug

I'd die laughing

[pliant violet]

it doesn't even need to purely unique just never that combo

so steel would be an option

[arctic dagger]

Fair

Can't see the first as steel but the third could be cool

[languid lichen]

first is absurdly easy steel tbh

||it's already natively a ground type, and it's a turtle||

[soft isle]

yeah we could absolutely see Steel for the first one

[languid lichen]

||"iron-armored shell" on a turtle mon that's already in of the other two earth types is like...an absolute shoe-in||

[arctic dagger]

True

IDK maybe my imagination sucks

XD

[pliant violet]

I could see it going the other direction too, like a contrast with the normal one

[soft isle]

it's a stretch but we'd really like to see one end up part bug type

[pliant violet]

I think the grass type could do that

||Beehive on its back||

[karmic imp]

Ooooh

My suggestion. ||Everyone evolves into a distinct bug/dragon pokemon||

[languid lichen]

lol

[hot ibex]

Randomatory List

Top 3 Pokemon I want on my team (Personal Preference)

1. Gyarados (Zero has carried me in every game he was in)
2. Mamoswine
3. Flareon (Cuddle buddy pillow and I am not ashamed to say it)

[soft isle]

Our problem with picking Pokemon is we can never just settle on six for a team lol. We’re always having to trim away one of our favorites to make room for another

[hot ibex]

True, is payne

Also Nuzlocke runs are heartbreaking

[manic kindle]

this is why i raise 20 at once

i gotta keep the rotation of my boys going

[arctic dagger]

I uh

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15AZW1QGyUeH3MqsupQk63VG2ZiXqW7LP50_cfbDCcng/edit?usp=drivesdk

Made a spreadsheet

And just did teams for all the themes I could think of

If people have more themes I'd be happy to make more lmao

It hasn't been updated in a couple years I'd probably change a couple things

[south laurel]

This might be of interest https://cajunavenger.github.io/

Huge chart that allows picking by gen and type

Gradually narrowing things down

[near flower]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

if these are really the choices ive won once again and my twitter name is no longer cope

[obtuse ravine]

oooh

[eager vine]

HELP ME O WISE POKEMON SAGES OF PNET

[pliant violet]

Never burmy

[eager vine]

i’m entering a small server tournament (eight players, small community) with a unique twist: all the teams will be champion-themed

BUT

the format is SINGLES

[pliant violet]

Explain what you mean by champion themed

I assume you have more options than just their literal team

[eager vine]

each person takes pokemon from a different champion’s team

[eager vine]

if one pokemon they have isn’t available in s/v ur allowed to wing it

it’s nothing to be taken too seriously

[pliant violet]

Ahh

Leon has dragapult 🙂

[eager vine]

my biggest concern is how singles works, and how sand teams work, and how building teams works, and

[eager vine]

he’s already taken alas

and besides, i’m too dedicated to my boy steven

i’m planning on making a sand team

[pliant violet]

Does he have any sand setters?

[eager vine]

not to my knowledge. but he DOES have several pokemon that are not in s/v, so i can work around that

tyranitar with slipstream is all i know about

[pliant violet]

Ttar is the best sand setter I know of

[eager vine]

figures

is it good to have a pokemon that knows sandstorm incase the initial one runs out

[pliant violet]

That I do not know

[eager vine]

GLIMMORA IS A ROCK TYPE........ yesss........

[pliant violet]

I’d look up existing sand teams

[eager vine]

TRUE

ur so correct

my problem here now is that none of these are built for scarlet and violet, and i don’t have a comprehensive enough grasp on team building to understand what makes pokemon work in certain roles

swords dance excadrill even with something as limited as a themed team works great as a sweeper, but singles is completely new territory for me

idk how it plays even remotely

[pliant violet]

Swords dance excadrill is still very good

[eager vine]

chrue...

[soft isle]

so wild to us that Tyranitar is UU in S/V

[eager vine]

the power creep is real

[pliant violet]

It’s also a matter of weather not being very good atm besides sun

[languid lichen]

garchomp is also in uu

oh wait, chomp got banned out of UU, it's borderline 1

but ttar, zapdos, washtom, greninja, excadrill, the fucking pex

[arctic dagger]

Yes but it depends on what strategy is sand team you're doing

Are we going stall with sand for chip or hyper offense

[languid lichen]

sand isn't really like

[arctic dagger]

If you're going glimm that inclines you to hyper offense

[languid lichen]

good at "chip damage stall" strats

[arctic dagger]

No but it's the only thing it can do other than hyper offense

[languid lichen]

yeah i just don't think it can offer it in a functional way

if ur doing sand as a dedicated archetype as opposed to just

"incidentally, as a consequence of playing ttar or hippo"

[arctic dagger]

Hippowdon usually wants to be your sand setter for that type of team though

Not ttar

[languid lichen]

i think it has to be an offensive team

[arctic dagger]

It's worth noting imo ttar is lower ranked because of natural counters

Not because it's bad

[eager vine]

hyper offense for sure

[eager vine]

figures

[languid lichen]

yeah, great tusk is...

[eager vine]

i put down assault vest ttar for my sand setter

[languid lichen]

not so good for ttar

[arctic dagger]

So you go glimm lead

Always

It's terrible as a Pokemon any other spot tbh

[eager vine]

convenient, because tusk is banned in this situation

figures

[languid lichen]

does glim have taunt?

or is its suicide lead util purely hazards + spin?

i haven't played OU since gen 7

[eager vine]

i think just suicide lead

[languid lichen]

so idk

i know it's a suicide lead.

[eager vine]

idk if it has taunt

[languid lichen]

see the message directly above

[arctic dagger]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/glimmora/

Kinda recommend just running it like this

Standard suicide lead set

Do as much damage as possible

[eager vine]

i See...

this makes sense

[arctic dagger]

The goal of a hyper offense team is to set up things that do a bit of chip

So every member of your team does a full HP in damage

When it swings

[red rampart]

Toxipex notably lost access to scald, which by itself probably wasn’t enough to lower it to UU but it certainly didn’t help

[arctic dagger]

To be fair

Fuck scald

[round perch]

https://x.com/MxKestrel/status/1827593095258509418

Mx. Kestrel Riot, GO Rocket Boss (@MxKestrel) on X

Incredible

Twitter · Aug 25, 2024, 6:25 AM

[azure crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/mofusossi_/status/1827608831905714313

[foggy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-spin-speen-lilligant-grass-type-pokemon-gif-5875405386001547453

[karmic imp]

Oomukade feels like a good concept for a bug dragon pokemon

Bug monster that hunts other dragons

[round perch]

https://vxtwitter.com/PokeliYT/status/1827870852152504415

[eager vine]

get hop the fuck out of that tier

second to lowest is where he goes

[languid lichen]

second-lowest is real fuckin generous

he's just Bad Hau

[red rampart]

I don’t know much about the gen 8 and gen 1 rivals, but Hau would definitely be up a tier for me

[south laurel]

I do not like N

[pliant violet]

Rose and gk the only ones worth listening to

[snow cobalt]

N's great

[pliant violet]

I will ban at the slightest provocation/j

[south laurel]

I personally found the plot of B/W to be kind of a mess and I think N being the hypothetical centerpiece of it doesn’t help

(And it bothers me how truth and ideals are completely interchangeable between the two games)

[foggy mango]

Hau should be higher, but I'm also of the mindset that tierlists in general just suck

[south laurel]

I like Hau a lot

But then there’s not much about SuMo I don’t like a lot

[manic kindle]

I think Barry could be higher but otherwise i vibe with this; maybe even Hop to Magnificent

[south laurel]

I also like Barry

[manic kindle]

Barry's a goober whats not to love

[languid lichen]

genuinely unfathomable to me how people are capable of tolerating hop

[manic kindle]

Hop's little arcs are fun

He's in the right places at the right times, gives a nice comparison to the other "rivals", and has a nice group arc with you

[south laurel]

Is Barry kind of annoying? Yeah, that’s sort of his deal, but he’s a rival

Blue is also kind of annoying and he’s great

[pliant violet]

I’m generally opposed to asshole rivals

Rivalry has an element of like companionship

[south laurel]

I also love Silver

Silver has a really fine arc

[foggy mango]

Yeah, but he's not a chuuni like my boy Gladion

[pliant violet]

I don’t like silver

[foggy mango]

Also not a fan of silver

[south laurel]

Gladion is very good

I really appreciate that SuMo was willing to go where it did with his and Lillie’s story

[round perch]

I think Hop suffers from being in a kids game.

[karmic imp]

Yeah, XY rivals are just bad

[round perch]

If the games were allowed to be hard we would get more satisfying fights that could help show rivals like Hau are progressing.

I think Hop is good, and his arc suffers from the game that surrounds him.

I like Marnie, but she doesn't really get the attention for me to say much about her.

I wish Piers was in the game more tho.

[manic kindle]

I would argue that the XY rivals are not rivals, just your friends

[round perch]

Yeah.

[foggy mango]

Now that I think about it, I don't know if I would really consider N a rival. He's just straight up an antagonist (but not in the same way as say Cheren) in BW and a wild card in BW2.

[round perch]

I do think the friend group angle could work for rivals.

[manic kindle]

N is a rival insofar as he is your opposite, I suppose

anyways ill defend hop till i die he's fun

[pliant violet]

Hop and Hau are good rivals

[manic kindle]

I think older game rivals tend to be popular because they were, for lack of a better way to put it, written to leave a lot up to the imagination

we dont actually know that much about the Gen 2 rival, for instance!

[round perch]

Also nostalgia. But also like... we all had Gary in the anime to base what Blue was like in our minds in the older games.

[manic kindle]

Yeah, outside perceptions add to it

or Pokemon Adventures manga for me growing up really influenced the games

[foggy mango]

I think Gary is also why we tend to assume Blue in the games is more of an asshole than he really is

Which is funny, because the anime eventually has Gary mellow out later on. Especially once Ash beats him in the Johto League

Like in the games, Blue is more cocky than straight up assholish I found.

[manic kindle]

which makes sense

have you met a 10 year old kid

they can be so full of bravado

[round perch]

The only ass hole is Silver.

[soft isle]

ranking Brendan in dead last, at least in the way he's portrayed in RSE

WitchxCroft ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1160615504562638910 message)

[manic kindle]

Funny enough i always play as the brendan-model so im just used to May, who is like, pretty alright in my books

even if she nuzlocke-murders my team often on that bridge

[soft isle]

May's fine, we liked May well enough. Brendan meanwhile when you first meet him goes "oh you're a gym leader's kid so I assumed you'd be a guy" >.>

Silver's our favorite rival in the series with only N barely trailing behind

[manic kindle]

this might seem funny but i think Silver's in a really funny place because he's... entirely inconsequential to the protag, which makes him even better in some ways?

he isnt a rival gym trainer, he isn't even competing with you in any real metric

he just shows up a few times after his initial theft and cant figure out why you're winning for a while until he understands that pokemon need affection

[soft isle]

yeah exactly! He's got his own story going on that isn't relevant to you except where you keep running into him in the least convenient places possible

[manic kindle]

like what is bro even doing on his own time where is he going

is he brooding in the caves

compared to someone like Nemona, who is very intrinsically tied to your gym progression and being a trainer in general, which is neat

[pliant violet]

champion nemona

[soft isle]

then you run into him again for the last rematch in Mt. Moon, he's got a new sprite, and he has a Crobat thus symbolizing that he's learned to treat his Pokemon with love and kindness 👌

[manic kindle]

Crobat being used in the games to show off trainers learning is so good

[soft isle]

yessss we love that. They do it almost every game and we love it every single time

[manic kindle]

even Cyrus has a Crobat

[foggy mango]

Nemona is based. I love that she's so battle crazy ||that even when she's being controlled by Pecharunt her need to battle overrides the fact that she's being controlled by Pecharunt. Bonus points to her battle dialogue just being her first battle dialogue but 99% of the words are just mochi||

[soft isle]

then you have Ghetsis with a Hydreigon that uses maximum power Frustration

[pliant violet]

what pokemon when caught wild has zero frienship

[soft isle]

Buneary

after that we think it's the legends and that's it?

[manic kindle]

most legendaries too

also as a funny addition that isnt zero

nymble has 20

little bug really has the kamen rider hatred within him

[foggy mango]

TIL

[soft isle]

That's interesting, why 20 for Nymble?

[foggy mango]

Lokix is 0 as well

I'm surprised Buneary starts at 0 though

[manic kindle]

buneary wants you to WORK for that friendship evo

[soft isle]

It's kind of interesting! Since you evolve to Lopunny by high friendship.

[foggy mango]

I also didn't know Pokemon had different base friendship values to begin with

[soft isle]

Oh neat, the Paradox Pokemon also have base 0 friendship.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pokémon_by_base_friendship This is a fascinating list! More Pokemon have different base friendship than we realized.

[manic kindle]

yeah base friendship is really neat

[pliant violet]

There’s a lot of little hidden story telling things

[manic kindle]

on the topic of rivals, since im working on my own fangame stuff - what does make for a fun Rival

[pliant violet]

Progression

I like when they change their team up

[manic kindle]

something neat in Yellow Legacy was that the rival changed his team more based on the first 2 rival battles, so his Jolteon Team is fully anti-Pikachu, which was neat

i like the idea that as you win/lose against the rival the team changes

[south laurel]

An arc in which they change meaningfully in response to your own coming-of-power arc

[pliant violet]

I do like the option of failing forward on rival fights

[south laurel]

The protagonist of a Pokémon game is something of a steamroller and seeing other people respond to that is very interesting to me

[manic kindle]

thats a fun way to put it

mostly its been fun messing around trying to make a game

nice little way to spend some time

[pliant violet]

You’re a busy guy

[manic kindle]

haha i try

not to burn myself out but i just hate being bored / having nothing to do

[pliant violet]

Relatable

[soft isle]

For us, what makes a good rival is a clear story and character arc that isn’t necessarily centered around the player character.

[karmic imp]

The group in XY didn't quite have depth
Only Shauna and the counterpart had actual focus

[torpid pivot]

N feels less like a rival and more like the guy the story is actually happening to

We're on a gym badge hunt and just keep running into this family drama

[karmic imp]

Pokemon but whenever you run into N you say "who asked"

[obtuse ravine]

ooh this is interesting

i'll copy croft's tiers because i am uncreative and also EEPY

[languid lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072698875065937960/1277739700999946312/generic-cNYsZ3VgXff3DVTs-mp4.mov?ex=66ce4353&is=66ccf1d3&hm=6323023325789d7fa54dd0dac7bd074020b3bc5eb95955f260abd5f5569c90e0&

[azure crane]

https://x.com/wanderjegson/status/1828094092624228394

Wanderjegson (@wanderjegson) on X

Pokémon sketches i made to test some brushes:

Twitter · Aug 26, 2024, 3:36 PM

[languid lichen]

one of these is not like the others

[azure crane]

It's just a Ditto.

[trail bridge]

imagine how things would go if there was an amongus-like mon in 10th gen

[trail bridge]

and it had some sorta busted gimmick like shed tail, but it could idk, confuse physical attackers when they activate the substitute?

[trail bridge]

amoonguss is a mushroom, we need an imposter

[umbral hound]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-cute-happy-love-pokemon-gif-17464877

[eager vine]

yeah

[south laurel]

Do physicists in Pokémon talk about a spherical frictionless voltorb in a vacuum

[trail bridge]

imagine a spherical moomoo in a vacuum

[snow cobalt]

in the Pokemon world, that's just a normal voltorb

[soft isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mSkGhEYBkg

[wispy yarrow]

oh hell yeah

[azure crane]

https://x.com/LOIqi107/status/1828278052603994364

LOI (@LOIqi107) on X

🌼🦌

Twitter · Aug 27, 2024, 3:47 AM

[snow cobalt]

ohhhhhhhh

[red rampart]

@pliant violet
https://bandai-hobby.net/item/6338/

[south laurel]

Which pocket manster is this

[snow cobalt]

Ceruledge

it's a new one

[south laurel]

Ah okay

[pliant violet]

yes

[trail bridge]

https://x.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1828485077719744733
thank you Wolfe Glick, very cool

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick) on X

Regulation H is for lovers

Twitter · Aug 27, 2024, 5:29 PM

https://x.com/gaboswampert/status/1805300713037160566

Gaboswampert | 🍉 (@gaboswampert) on X

that tornshifu image will forever be my legacy

Twitter · Jun 24, 2024, 6:03 PM

one more

[hot ibex]

Personally I much prefer the other one, cause it looks like it just wants to throw hands.

[pliant violet]

Armarouge?

It’s megaman

Or did you mean another statue

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/emilie_DQ/status/1828684607333826563?t=wuHeFYargfzBYewz1JaQNg&s=19

[pliant violet]

He is baby so he eats free

[manic kindle]

as he should

i just enjoy how delightfully round they drew him

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/riponi_saga/status/1829093278257688970?t=XGFEGF9VECbiv25wpjKDfw&s=19

Important follow up

[azure crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/tontaro_/status/1829357070459805859

[umbral hound]

dumb dumb dumb idea: Toxic Orb Poison Heal Gliscor with Fling, Acrobatics, Protect, and Façade. Maybe High Horsepower instead.

[arctic dagger]

Why is that dumb?

[languid lichen]

because it's missing earthquake

[arctic dagger]

I was gonna say just replace High Horsepower with Earthquake and that's 100% normal

[languid lichen]

and fling + acro is kind of just less consistent than toxic + knock off

interesting niche

but difficult to make useful

[arctic dagger]

I know a lot of pokemon lost knock off in gen9, IDK if gliscor did

[languid lichen]

it still has it

and it isn't one of the mons that lost toxic

[arctic dagger]

Regardless, it seems fine. Like, is it optimal? No.

But it's a damn good pokemon even if it's not being used optimal.

[umbral hound]

I'm thinking about reg H because I'm looking at a bunch of reg H videos even though VGC is probably just an inherently worse format...

[languid lichen]

it'd definitely be usable as long as it has eq, yeah

[arctic dagger]

Inherently worse seems very harsh.

IDK how you'd define that.

Like personally I prefer 1v1, but 2v2 is perfectly fine.

[umbral hound]

Yeah, it's a bit too harsh. But what I mean is mostly just that it's not intentionally balanced in the same way that Smogon is, regardless of 1v1 or 2v2.

[arctic dagger]

That really depends on what you mean by balanced, since everyone has equality on options.

Well, theoretically.

In practice it's kinda pay to win

Due to the amount of time needed to make the perfect competitive teams

But that's not really an issue with 1v1 vs 2v2

And more just with the amount of insanity of grind to get optimal pokemon

[umbral hound]

To be clearer, since I was being vague: the Smogon formats have banlists which are curated with the intention of balancing the format, with a greater deal of intentionality than the way in which the VGC list is curated.

I used "intentionally" in a really weird way there.

[arctic dagger]

Yeah.

It's ok.

IDK it's just the kind of thing where like, I know we have people here who really enjoy VGC, so try not to be disrespectful about it?

[umbral hound]

Yeah, I was overly rude and cantankerous there. I'm very sorry.

[arctic dagger]

So, what are you thinking about Reg H then?

[umbral hound]

...regardless of which doubles format we're talking about, though, I think Sableye is just waiting to be very good because with Focus Sash, the only ways to stop it from getting off at least one priority move are either being doubled into with priority, exactly Water Shuriken, or Armor Tail/Queenly Majesty/Dazzling. Psychic Terrain and Quick Guard will stop targeted status moves, though.

[arctic dagger]

Farigiraf is a problem.

And very common atm

[umbral hound]

for reg H I really want Dragon Cheer + Intelleon to be good, but while we lost Urshifu (who just does everything Intelleon does, but better), we also lost good Dragon Cheer users (Iron Jugulis in particular). And this is not, from what I've seen, a format which needs another good water type.

[arctic dagger]

But I mean, sableeye has been good multiple times historically.

[umbral hound]

...ah. I didn't know that 😔

[arctic dagger]

I think it's not a particularly hot take that it could be again in the right scenario.

Farigiraf is being used as both trick room AND counter trick room setups basically.

[umbral hound]

Sableye is just my favorite pokemon and I want to champion it and use it more but it's just not quite true right now and not particularly interesting due to Sableye's prior usage 😔

[arctic dagger]

I'd expect ZA to bring sableye back potentially, since megas and all.

Magic bounce nuts as always

[languid lichen]

also it has actual usable bulk

in mega

nother real good thing for it

[umbral hound]

True. Regular Sableye kind of needs Focus Sash.

[arctic dagger]

I mean, mega needs the mega stone

[languid lichen]

50/75/65 lol

[arctic dagger]

So it's not as if you're gaining item usage

[languid lichen]

i never said anything about item usage?

[arctic dagger]

But 50/125/115 is just

Insanely better

Responding to banantron talking about regular needing focus sash

Mega not needing focus sash is kinda w/e since it still needs the mega stone

[umbral hound]

Sableye's stats in general are just... atrocious. Which makes its absurdly good attacking movepool even mroe hilarious.

[arctic dagger]

So you don't get to put another item on it

[languid lichen]

no, but it does make it "immune" to knock off

which was always a notable plus for megas

[arctic dagger]

Truth.

2v2 is a fast enough format knock off is not as good tho'