POKÉMON CENTER

[arctic dagger]

I kinda dislike that Poliwrath is monotype

It's a funny swap though

Of which one is double typing

But poison tends to REALLY need a secondary typing

[languid lichen]

it does, but like

i think pure poison makes enough sense here

from a flavor standpoint

[arctic dagger]

Sure, but it's still named polywrath, I think I'd have given it one of fighting/psychic/ghost/dark maybe

[languid lichen]

(also this person keeps fucking up its vs it's)

[arctic dagger]

Dark probably

[languid lichen]

i see four separate instances of "it's"

that need to be "its"

which is annoying

[arctic dagger]

Dark/Poison is a pretty decent typing since Poison covers up the fairy weakness and dark covers up the psychic

[languid lichen]

i mean dark doesn't fit it at all

from a visual design standpoint

[arctic dagger]

It's the overkill pokemon

I think it fits fine, you'd just darken up some of the colors on the motifs

Maybe

[languid lichen]

sure, but it just looks like a beefy thug

and that would be way too close to the several other poison/darks

[arctic dagger]

That's... What Dark types usually look like I feel like.

[languid lichen]

a physical poison/psychic would be more compelling

adding hallucinogens

[arctic dagger]

Yeah there aren't enough physiocal psychic types IMO

[languid lichen]

it also wouldn't be so similar to the other poison/darks

[arctic dagger]

Hmmm. Overqwil, Drapion, Skuntank, Alolan Muk

Decent set of good defensive physical attackers

Not really any aggro ones tho'

Wow I forgot how balanced Poliwrath's statlines are

Very middling across the board

[languid lichen]

overqwil and drapion are both pretty offensively-skewed

not in statlines

[arctic dagger]

It looks like a slow pokemon though, which would be bad for being offensive

[languid lichen]

but in utility bias

[arctic dagger]

True

[languid lichen]

and poliwrath has just the exact same stat spread

"bulky phys poison/psychic" would be a different niche

[arctic dagger]

I mean

[languid lichen]

since our two poison/psychics are munkidori and the galarian slowpokes

[arctic dagger]

If you ignore Galarian Slowbro/king

Sure

[languid lichen]

which are special

[arctic dagger]

Galarian Slowbro is often physical or split

Shell Side Arm , its signature move, can be either specifically, which is cool

Poison/Fighting is probably too close to just Toxicroak though

[manic kindle]

why are we criticising the funny fakemon

[arctic dagger]

Because that's how I get enjoyment out of things, is by thinking about them.

[manic kindle]

ok

[arctic dagger]

It's critique, not complaint, to be clear.

And I'm not even sure it's critique

So much as like... "This is how I'd do it I think" but I value different things

Like it's a good design

When I see things like fakemon, because I also like to make fakemon, I think about how I would do the same design

It helps me with my own design thoughts

To examine and disect others

[languid lichen]

that was my thought, yeah

"poison/fighting frog" is just

a niche that already exists and should probably not be repeated

[languid lichen]

but also not really

galarian slowbro is a special attacker that happens to use its physical attack for its poison STAB sometimes

it does sometimes run mixed with eq

but it's got a lot of strong special moves including both stab

[arctic dagger]

Yeah.

I wonder if ther'es a Poison/Fairy angle?

VERY few of those

Literally Galarian Weezing for non-legendaries I think?

[languid lichen]

same distribution as poison/psychic

technically slowbro and slowking are different mons, but they're uh

basically the same person

[arctic dagger]

Yeh

[languid lichen]

and so it's "one non-legend line, one Loyal Three"

[arctic dagger]

And it's generally too ugly to be Fairy I think

(In a good way)

Yeah ok I'm convinced

I think the visual design would need to change slightly

Maybe reintroduce the spiral motifs from the main design, but as submotifs rather than the main one?

Eyes and palms of hands?

[languid lichen]

honestly i don't think you need to do anything other than eyes-on-hands

[arctic dagger]

Yeah that's probably true.

[languid lichen]

maybe cross out its eyes with the symbol on its prevos' chest

and then put eyes or fake eyes on its hands and have it holding one out in its static pose

i really like the physical design they went with here, though

[arctic dagger]

Yeahhh

Maybe make the tongue more prehensile

Rather than mess with like, the dopiness

You could have the tongue act on its own

Instead of spikes on the tongue do something more psychic-coded

It has poison all over the rest of the design still

Since the tongue is in particular the thing that is the design section that is expanding/changing the most

I think it makes sense if the psychic type comes from somewhere it's that

Maybe it's high off of its own poisons

And that's what gives it psychic powers

Yeah, I like that route, change the tongue to have maybe like an acid-trip motif about it instead of spikes, a blurb in the lore that it makes its hallucinations real

And boom, perfectly explainable psychic type while keeping almost all of the base physical design

[obtuse ravine]

☺️

[pliant violet]

lovely

[obtuse ravine]

thanks y'all 💖

my first ever shiny yippee yay

[pliant violet]

My favourite Pokémon

[wispy yarrow]

Wish me luck folks

I'm going for a living dex in Yellow Legacy

[wispy yarrow]

Hardest part of hte living dex is over

3 of each starter, 4 eevees

[wispy yarrow]

making Pikachu not catchable in Viridian anymore was a sneaky move lol

[obtuse ravine]

so since Glaceon and Dugtrio are both in the Field egg group, if i leave a male glaceon and a female dugtrio they should be able to breed?

i've never tried breeding before >.>

[wispy yarrow]

Yes, and you would get a Dugtrio.

Fun fact: Breeding a Pokemon holding an everstone will cause them to pass down their nature! However, if their nature was changed via a mint, they will pass down the Nature they were born with rather than their modified Nature

[obtuse ravine]

oh

what determines the child's species?

[obtuse ravine]

ooohh

[wispy yarrow]

The female

[obtuse ravine]

oh

i guess i need a ditto

[wispy yarrow]

The one who lays the egg will determine the species

Except in the case of Ditto yeah

Also you may see the Daycare person say stuff like "They don't quite like each other" or "they're starting to get along" etc

As long as they're in the same egg group they'll make an egg EVENTUALLY

But the nicer their relationship seems to be, the faster you'll get an egg

[obtuse ravine]

interesting

ty!

[wispy yarrow]

There's a whole thing about being able to pass on moves/natures/IVs etc based on what a pokemon is holding too

[obtuse ravine]

the glaceon also happened to be shiny, i think people are shiny max raid hunting and i just got lucky a couple of times

[wispy yarrow]

But if you just want more of a given species that'll do it for you

[obtuse ravine]

[wispy yarrow]

Also you will not be hatching a shiny

At least, not guaranteed

If you have the Shiny Charm and the parent pokemon are from different regions(as in, an EN-speaking region and a Spanish-speaking one, for example) you get the best odds

[obtuse ravine]

ah yeah, i just want to have some eeveelutions :D

[obtuse ravine]

:O

[wispy yarrow]

The odds are 1:519 with that method

[obtuse ravine]

guhh

[arctic dagger]

I love when fangames make shinies only 1/81

Still rare enough that you won't see a lot

But enough that if you REALLY want a shiny for a particular one, it probably won't take you more than like half an hour to find one

[wispy yarrow]

I love when rarity is preserved yeah

Them 1% encounter rates

[arctic dagger]

Yeah about one in a hundred is good

[wispy yarrow]

living dex almost complete

I just need to level some pokemon

[wispy yarrow]

do I dare go for this challenge again with Crystal

oh god how do I count Unown

[fickle thicket]

last i checked it says "gotta catch 'em all" and not "gotta catch some of 'em"

[wispy yarrow]

Well yeah, pokedex completion is one thing

but do I count each letter of Unown for a living dex

[fickle thicket]

yes do it

[wispy yarrow]

They're not a different EVOLUTION and thus don't take up a slot in the pokedex but on the other hand

[fickle thicket]

real winners go for all forms

[wispy yarrow]

god Emerald Legacy's gonna kill me

But it WILL give me the Absol I always wanted

Might make it a monotype run since I already DID a Crystal run, just without a focus on completion

[fickle thicket]

still gotta go that ultra sun monoghost run someday

[wispy yarrow]

Mono ghost sounds hellish

do it

[fickle thicket]

alola has lots of early ghost type access

[wispy yarrow]

my mono-psychic Emerald run was dope

but tbh Ralts and the whole line is kinda busted so

[fickle thicket]

especially hau'oli cemetery has access to drofloon and gastly, and litwick via island scan

[wispy yarrow]

litwick my beloved

[fickle thicket]

...wait a second, the GTS is down. I won't be able to get a gengar.

[wispy yarrow]

rip

the legacy games making the trade evos into level evos felt really good

gamefreak learn pls, no more trade evos

...have they actually had a trade evo in recent memory?

[fickle thicket]

not since gen 6, gen 7 if you count alolan geodude line

[wispy yarrow]

good

they learned

[fickle thicket]

ghost lines available in ultra sun

• rowlet, but only after evolving twice
• gastly, hau'oli cemetery, trade evolution
• drifloon, hau'oli cemetery day
• oricorio sensu style, poni meadow
• sableye, ten carat hill carbink SOS battle
• cubone, wela volcano park, but only after evolving
• sandygast, hano beach
• phantump, memorial hill, trade evolution
• golett, haina desert dugtrio SOS battle
• mimikyu <3, thrifty megamart abandoned site
• shuppet, thrifty megamart abandoned site
• frillish, route 14 surfing
• snorunt, mount lanakila, but only after evolving
• dhelmise, seafolk village fishing
• misdreavus, poni meadow night
• blaceplahon, poni grove postgame
• litwick, hau'oli cemetery, saturday melemele island scan
• honedge, akala outskirts, wednesday akala island scan

striking rowlet, gastly, cubone, phantump, snorunt, misdreavus, blacephalon, litwick and honedge still leaves me with nine lines

should be enough

actually I don't need to strike phantump, there's an ingame phantump=>trevenant trade

[soft isle]

There’s a stream on YouTube of a bot doing the shiny professor oak’s challenge in Pokemon Emerald

They’re still in the route before Oldale last we checked

[south laurel]

Today’s pokedoku is good

[obtuse ravine]

o7

i try

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/kodakoda555/status/1798359180199571955?t=UvZFBcCbiX03P4pJiIKXgg&s=19

This is me

[obtuse ravine]

so happy 😌

went to this page and the banner art is really cute 😌

[manic kindle]

Very cute

https://vxtwitter.com/Sliver_Nugget/status/1798201223981756481?t=wkItl0HkM6ZgL3P9kNaHEA&s=19

Alomomola numero unooooo

[red rampart]

Finally, mola molas getting the respect they deserve 😌

[near flower]

gen 1 learnset: fuck why (random ass normal type) got beam bolt and thrower

[torpid pivot]

Gen 1 Tauros no one doing it quite like you

[near flower]

FRRR
im so glad i got into watching vids about g1 competitive while im whittling away at school

[obtuse ravine]

i got 4/9

😭

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/ShiningEspeon3/status/1798450795899498586

[torpid pivot]

Remained true in the anime as well, best 3D gen

[umbral hound]

...just randomly thinking of how N is technically a pokemon league champion I think.

or at least was. Also, how a very limited number of people know this (I'm sure there was news coverage, but I doubt it was getting any significant details).

[snow cobalt]

They'd at least have "the Pokemon League has been surrounded by a castle now" on the news

[umbral hound]

Oh, for sure; the question is how much they'd know about what was happening inside of the League, and I think that depends (at least partially) on if the final arena is open to the sky and thus news helicopters.

Because Reshiram/Zekrom is not a subtle pokemon.

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/sumika_inagaki/status/1797838690313736659?t=DK5r-WUeHoK2llJTZ163fw&s=19

Venonat...

[obtuse ravine]

🥸

[fickle thicket]

whisked up a real venonat for that one

[pliant violet]

Ok but for real combee honey cakes is a stellar idea

[azure knoll]

hey gang, im struggling what starters to feature in my game, what are your favorites?

[red rampart]

Turtwig, popplio, and fuecoco

[azure knoll]

oh interesting!
luckily changing them around is really easy to do so i can leave it for now

[near flower]

i <3 totodile totodile is my numero uno

[soft isle]

cyndaquil, mudkip, treeko

[honest cairn]

coughing baby, regular person, nuclear bomb

love em tho

[arctic dagger]

Wuh?

Primarina regularly sees very high level play

REgular person is stretching IMO

Water/Fairy is nuts typing

[arctic dagger]

Bulbasaur/Charmander, Cyndaquil if you have Hisuian variants, Mudkip/Torchic, Piplup, Snivy/Hisuian Oshawott, Fennekin, Rowlet(Both version)/Popplio, and then all of Paldea but especially Fuecoco

.>

I think I only skipped the fire/fighting folks, Froakie, and Litten, as well as some people like the Galarian starters, for the really popular ones?

Totodile is reasonably popular too I think

I still really want to see someone do one of the other type triangles for starters tho'

Grass/Ground/Poison I think would be my favorite of the options

[azure knoll]

i wouldnt mind that at all!
im not sure what that would do ballance wise though hrmm

[arctic dagger]

Steel/Rock/Fire and Rock/Flying/Fighting are the only other "true" triangles I think.

You'd want something like a dense jungle region for the first set, and a more urban one for this second one, and maybe a mountain region for the third?

I think?

Shrug

[azure knoll]

meow

[arctic dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_HZYzs-tUA

Thanks to this guy for doing the breakdowns

XD

Oh, no, there's apparently one more, Rock/Ice/Grass is a "perfect" except that none of them resist each other, they're only super effective vs the next chain, so while none of them are resistant there's no advantaged one

Like in the Fighting/Dark/Psychic one, where being Dark is kinda clearly better because it's actually immune

[azure knoll]

it is certainly interesting

[honest cairn]

poor ice

[honest cairn]

i jest but ur right it is super good skeledirge is just super nuts

[obtuse ravine]

how am i supposed to hit 3 crits with farfetchd

😭

leveling it to learn leaf blade

[honest cairn]

can you get it a scope lens?

or other rate boosting item

[obtuse ravine]

yeah i have one, i'll give it a try this weekend

[manic kindle]

for weird starter triangles i really like Ground-Ice-Steel and Water-Ground-Electric, so id vote for like...
Sandile-Spheal-Aron, or Poliwag-Sandile-Mareep

you can also do 2-stage evos instead of 3, but im sort of a classics guy and like 3-stage evos for starters

[fickle thicket]

The big problem with a lot of non-grass-water-fire triangles is that they often have a clear winner, if not among themselves then overall. Steel just blows out ice and ground, for example.

Honestly even the standard triangle isn't balanced, the way grass is

[wispy yarrow]

Grass is so often paired with Poison which adds a lot. Water has the most odd-balls. Fire/Fighting is very strong, though.

Grass has been easy mode for a very long time, ever since Gen 1

annihilates the first 3 gyms

[fickle thicket]

Gen 3 water my beloved

[wispy yarrow]

I loved Ludicolo

Ludicolo and Absol were my favorite pokemon from Gen 3

[pliant violet]

Water and fire absolutely clown grass

[manic kindle]

You have to pick the right mons, not just any Steel

[languid lichen]

it's definitely possible to make an ice/ground/steel trio on-par, they just have to be balanced meticulously, yeah

also it's unfortunate because ice doesn't resist ground

so the set breaks

you just need a fast ice

fast, offensive ice types with coverage or good secondary stab generally tend to be quite useful

[arctic dagger]

Generally I've seen the recommendation on what to do with broken triangles to be to break them with secondary typing the other way around

So like ground/water/electric, second typing it as ground/psychic, water/fighting, electric/dark

Because then you get ground as the clear best and psychic as the clear worst

And the others balanced off against each other

[azure crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/587417305407815680/1248633088075108422/20240607_084152.png?ex=66645fae&is=66630e2e&hm=a5b3efc2800598b4d311e5a4c237346e42d916414d536b044dfae224e5f237a7&

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/Lewchube/status/1799091800080023772

[manic kindle]

these two would be besties

[languid lichen]

you know this girl is the mos emotionally dead nihilist we ever seen

she's a twitch streamer

all of her hope and happiness are ash on her tongue

[manic kindle]

at least the pokemon world is better so she could genuinely be happy

[languid lichen]

true

[manic kindle]

part of why Cyrus stands out so much is he is like, our number one nihilist 😭 man needs a good therapist and gummy vitamins so bad

[pliant violet]

Or to destroy the world

[languid lichen]

as a treat

[pliant violet]

I think it’d be enrichment

[arctic dagger]

I'm not terribly convinced the Pokemon world is better, given all the implications about past wars and apocalypses and stuff

Just currently more peaceful

[pliant violet]

We’re also observing from the pov of someone young

[arctic dagger]

True, I certainly didn't get the full horror of humanity when I was 11-12

[south laurel]

I mean it’s pretty clear that in the present the Pokearth is, at the very least, a place where humans exist in harmony with nature and the divine

And where every third conversation is like, “bridges are so wonderful, they connect the hearts of people and Pokémon”

[snow cobalt]

I should start telling that to twelve year olds i meet

[south laurel]

There’s obviously still bad dudes and evil organizations and some measure of injustice but I kind of feel “not on the brink of environmental catastrophe” is a pretty huge step up

[languid lichen]

also there are literal monster-gods that you can walk up to and shake like a soda can

and then they'll grant your wish

[fickle thicket]

past wars. The Pokémon world is doing better now.

I really should just start approaching random kids on the street and tell them that bicycles can take you anywhere you want, just like dreams and friendship

[manic kindle]

i will not be swayed from always viewing the Pokemon world as a genuinely good, kind-hearted place of love and peace

[arctic dagger]

Feel free, I'm just not convinced that's clear personally.

I think that's more true in the anime than in the games from what we've seen?

So if you're an anime canon fan that's probably more true.

[snow cobalt]

Even in the games the whole Pokemon Journey conceit is dependent on every city being ready to receive travelers, heal Pokemon free of charge, etc.

(those might be genre conceits instead of worldbuilding elements, but it might also be both!)

[obtuse ravine]

that is a good point

[arctic dagger]

I mean, I think those are bought into in all of the existing canon, but I don't think having universal healthcare is so wild we can say that like society as a whole is better.

They seem to be post scarcity, which is a big deal and certainly helps people be better to each other

Once a society is post scarcity it's way way easier for people to be good to each other, because while wealth exists it mostly seems like poverty pretty much doesn't

[snow cobalt]

if post-scarcity isn't better than our world for you than I think your standards are especially high

[arctic dagger]

So I guess I mean yes I agree the world is better but I'm not convinced people are better

Again it's a totally viable interpretation to say that is a lovely place with very few real problems

[fickle thicket]

the pokémon world has wars but they're fun and all in good spirit :)

[arctic dagger]

But uh, that kind of statement is just not something I agree with personally for my vision of what I love about Pokemon and what I think the world is like.

[languid lichen]

lotta people died in the wars in RBY canon

[fickle thicket]

in the pokémon world, poverty is a choice and the government will support you in it

[languid lichen]

but that's been dipped out of

[arctic dagger]

Pretty heavy implications that's why there's fewer adults yeah

[fickle thicket]

guns exist but they're generally regarded as kind of cringe so no one uses them

[arctic dagger]

Also things like while a bunch of the Pokedex entries are probably just kids being somewhat still

Silly*

There's also a lot of actual murder described in them

[torpid pivot]

Pokemon is better a little vague, let Acerola continue to perhaps be a ghost

[arctic dagger]

Real world I don't have to worry about kids grabbing a balloon and then getting kidnapped into the sky and dying

[fickle thicket]

personally, I view the Pokémon world as better than this one, but not perfect.
To be specific, the societal issues that we have largely do not exist, but personal issues do.

[snow cobalt]

It's not too far off from real urban legends

[fickle thicket]

for example: there's an orphanage in alola, which you can't really have without orphans, but by all means it looks to be taking really good care of those kids.

and so on and so forth

[languid lichen]

it's fine you turn into a ghost and do it too

[azure knoll]

hey gang, i drop in once more to ask for opinions/ideas

since my game mostly works like fire red

how should i implement pokemon with unusual tera types?

since they arent roaming like in gen 9

[umbral hound]

The obvious answer would be to sort of steal the hidden den feature from gen V.

Not sure if it would be good, though.

[azure knoll]

ohhh i actually dont know what the hidden den feature is

i COULD make like, cave entrances spawn, that then somehow connect to some kind of dungeon

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/sierradawnx3/status/1799186324986999042

It’s a follow me user that doesn’t die to spore? I guess??

Wait ogerpon also does that

I guess being able to tera ghost and have a switch out move are nice

[umbral hound]

Decorate, Coaching, and Psychic Noise are all fascinating choices here.

Close Combat Calyrex is an interesting tech; not sure why it's there, but it doesn't feel wrong per se.

[mellow robin]

two Follow Me users, honestly love it

[umbral hound]

You probably aren't usually deploying both, I guess?

[mellow robin]

yeah

you can switch based on the matchup

[umbral hound]

The idea seems to be to deploy either Ursaluna or Calyrex, and then the pokemon next to them has the sole job of supporting and protecting them.

[mellow robin]

there's been a lot of spicy teams in the past few months I think

[umbral hound]

I haven't kept up with too many interesting teams, honestly.

[mellow robin]

the main ones I remember are this one

[umbral hound]

Has anyone actually done anything with Dragon Cheer + Palkia, or did it never go any further than just an idea?

[mellow robin]

and the person who put a clear amulet on magic bounce hatrenne to block people using the magic bounce + parting shot interaction to force it out

(which, to be clear, does not Actually Work, but nobody else knew that, so open teamsheets meant nobody even tried it)

[honest cairn]

lots of interesting weird teams recently i saw a really cool snowscape tornadus plus blizzard kyogre team at japanese nationals

[mellow robin]

yoo

oh, the person who was using articuno

and won a tournament with it

[honest cairn]

the fuckin? 4 ice move articuno lol

[mellow robin]

yes

including

sheer

motherfucking

cold

[red rampart]

Just everyone looking at it and going "well that has to be how the interaction works, why else would they have it?"

[mellow robin]

(I don't know if they ever clicked it)

[mellow robin]

yes exactly

[umbral hound]

I remember having a thought vaguely like that at... some point... but I don't remember what that thought was. I will always champion Sableye, though. It's my favorite pokemon, and there is an excuse to run it; it's not a good excuse, but Sableye is a Prankster user who:

• Is immune to Prankster Taunt
• Is immune to Fake Out
• Can use Quash with priority
• Can use Will-O'-Wisp with priority to disable a physical attacker
• Will always win weather wars when using Sunny Day or Rain Dance, because it underspeeds every other Prankster user
• Can use a focus sash to get at least one move off basically guaranteed, and then use Pain Split
• Can use priority Imprison, which almost certainly could be tailored to hit something useful given Sableye's large utility movepool and larger attacking movepool (if you're feeling spicy)

Actually... are people still running Farigiraf with Imprison so that you can either set up or shut down Trick Room?

If so, you could use priority to imprison their imprison, set up your own Trick Room, and then Sableye underspeeds every other Prankster.

[mellow robin]

they're most likely running armor tail, though, unfortunately

[umbral hound]

If an opponent uses a priority move (including moves boosted by Prankster or Gale Wings) that targets the Pokémon with Armor Tail or its allies, Armor Tail prevents the Pokémon from executing that move (PP is still consumed).
Emphasis mine. Imprison technically targets the user.

Locks you out of follow-up interference, though.

[mellow robin]

oh, huh!

[umbral hound]

Sableye does not learn Trick Room, though.

Honestly? Sableye is really hampered by only having 4 moveslots.

also. Who decided to give Sableye an amazing attacking movepool with 75 attack and 65 special attack? (And 50 speed? And, when it was introduced, it had an ability that made it always move last in its priority bracket on top of that?)

...okay, list some moves you'd really want to imprison, and I'll tell you if Sableye gets them (because I don't know what targets you'd want to hit).

[mellow robin]

...I honestly have no idea, I haven't played competitive (or looked closely at the 'meta' of VGC teams) in a while

[umbral hound]

...how did I only just now notice that Sableye gets Fake Out?

[mellow robin]

Tera Blast, maybe??

[umbral hound]

yup, gets tera blast, though that's a gimme since every pokemon does except for like... beldum.

[arctic dagger]

No idea, I only tend to play singles not vgc

[azure crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/tontaro_/status/1798523553941504207

[obtuse ravine]

🥺

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/fedginator/status/1799452486920790226

[umbral hound]

What’s Ditto doing there??

[languid lichen]

being extremely flexible as always

[spring hedge]

does urshifu have that much of a fanbase?

[red rampart]

Urshifu is just really damn good in vgc

[languid lichen]

yeah urshifu's just broken

its numbers are fundamentally pretty incredible

with surging strikes/wicked blow (mostly the former) and solid secondary STAB

but the real teeth-kicker in VGC is that its ability just ignores protection

which is, as you probably know if you've ever seen a VGC team or caught a match, extremely centralizing

[arctic dagger]

Ditto just generically pretty good

It's kinda a release valve on a lot of options a lot of the time

[umbral hound]

I mean... I guess?

[red rampart]

It's also a restricted format so there's always gonna be a good pokemon to copy

[arctic dagger]

Oh it's VGC. IDk what Ditto does in VGC.

In singles it's often a release valve for setup teams

[umbral hound]

I have no clue why I teambuild for VGC despite it arguably being a substantially less balanced format (it's because I watch VGC content)

[arctic dagger]

I mean it's the substantially more supported format

So if you want to do the format that anyone who wants money cares about

It's the one to do

I just refuse to switch because I'm old and cranky

I also kinda like the slower pace of 1v1?

There's a lot that doesn't work well in 2v2 because it takes too long to get value

[umbral hound]

Are flexible "can be trick room, can be regular" teams still a thing?

Also here's a set I'm calling "screw whatever you're doing": Klefki with Sandstorm (to turn off the weather people want), Misty Terrain (to turn off the terrain people want), Magic Room, Thunder Wave? You could also use:

• Torment (forces out choice mons)
• Imprison + Trick Room (which, unlike Sableye, it can actually directly get)
• protect ofc
• Switcheroo optionally? Maybe with a toxic orb, since that won't affect it but presumably will affect whatever you stick it onto?

[umbral hound]

Or here's a heinously spicy set:

Ability: Magician  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Dark  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Switcheroo  
- Protect  
- Mystical Fire  
- Encore```

It can also run Psychic Noise over Mystical Fire for slightly more power and the ability to completely disable Draining Kiss (which Calyrex-Ice runs for fairy coverage sometimes), or Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Heat Wave/Psychic if you want more damage, or Helping Hand if you feel like that's good (I'm not convinced it's the best choice here, though). Also Imprison, which I'd really like to be useful. Or Howl if you're feeling really weird, but that feels very wrong. There's also an argument for the tera type to be Dragon or something.

...you could theoretically run Skill Swap Sableye to be able to give an ally Prankster or disable an opponent's ability (in particular, making Ursaluna-Bloodmoon unable to damage Sableye with normal moves). There are many options.

[mellow robin]

prankster imprison is still slower than Protect, right?

[umbral hound]

Yes, protect is +3.

but still, having a pokemon which just completely stops the opponent from using protect while it's on the field... seems... fairly good. Better if it was attached to something with more bulk than a piece of tissue paper, but still good.

[mellow robin]

yeah, I was just hoping for bootleg Feint

I think imprison is just too hard a meta call probably
like the only sort of team you can reliably use it against is probably trick room

[umbral hound]

It's closer to bootleg Upper Hand.

[mellow robin]

or if you're playing a gen with a meta that's been developing for 20 years

[umbral hound]

You can imprison trick room, or if that farigiraf set with imprison trick room is still running around, you can imprison their imprison to protect your trick room. But... yeah, you have to know what you're hitting.

[mellow robin]

if sableye got trick room I think it'd be a legit huge threat

as both setter (with priority) and imprison-er

with all those immunities you mentioned

like legitimately it just needs the one move and it's great

as is I think you can probably use it as a disruptive pokemon but you need to be thinking more about what partner you want it to support

[umbral hound]

I think it can support other trick room users by protecting them from various stuff via imprison, potentially taunt, quash, etc. And if trick room does go up, it'll underspeed every other prankster mon. Like, if you put it next to farigiraf or calyrex-ice which brought its own trick room. Unfortunately, with farigiraf, you kind of have two support pokemon supporting each other, which is... suboptimal.

Delphox is suddenly seeming like a funny mon to try out, though.

[mellow robin]

yeah, my big concern is that you can't really win by supporting a support mon, you need to position it to support your actual threat imo

which I think means, like, sit next to ursaluna and click quash and fake out?

play fake trick room through speed control?

no set up turn of trick room, you start doing your disruption as hard as you can turn 1

I think if you're trying imprison you're reaching too hard

trick iron ball probably fits in that game plan too, though you're sacrificing your sash if you're trying it

[umbral hound]

Yeah, probably. Burn isn't bad but it's sort of not the best option? But playing fake trick room, which also works well in trick room, seems... fun.

I almost want to see what happens if I try Delphox. But that would require making a whole team rather than a single mon, and doing calcs, and actually playing.

[mellow robin]

you don't really need to do calcs I think, you can probably eyeball 'max SpA and max Speed' or 'max SpA and max HP' and do pretty decent

[umbral hound]

Ehh, fair. I'm doing max speed on Delphox because it's reasonably fast. Unfortunately it's in a metagame with extremely fast pokemon, but never mind that.

Switcheroo (or, equivalently, Trick) + Flame Orb just feels like a funny tech. Steal their item and burn them with 100% accuracy (once), and if you end up eating a consumable item, then Magician lets you steal another. It seems like a useful way to screw up a lot of stuff. It seems better than Will-O-Wisp and Knock Off in a few ways, meaning I don't think it falls into the "bad at two things instead of good at one" trap.

[umbral hound]

The eternal woes of making anything off- or anti-meta in any game: you want to make sure it doesn't lose to the same stuff that the meta options lose to.

(I was looking at and thinking about Solgaleo, and/or Dusk Mane Necrozma, and then realized the counters to Calyrex and/or Zamazenta would probably also counter those.)

[trail bridge]

https://x.com/meerie_tattoo/status/1799128424663106003

~ Meerie Tattoo 🐀 (@Meerie_tattoo) on X

KYGRO et GOUDRON

Twitter · Jun 7, 2024, 5:16 PM

[red rampart]

https://x.com/starsalts/status/1799260516801765474

Star★Salts 🔜 Anime Expo AA #L16 (@starsalts) on X

let's hear it for the space aces 🖤🤍💜

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 2:01 AM

[red rampart]

I think there needs to be more iron hands

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1799656395094261840

[red rampart]

https://x.com/himeno_46/status/1799718295513498079

ひめしろ (@himeno_46) on X

スグリくんとオーガポン
#pokemon #ポケモンSV

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 8:20 AM

[red rampart]

Where’s that from?

[south laurel]

Ogerpon is cute

[pliant violet]

Uno momento

[south laurel]

No

Duo momento

[manic kindle]

tres!

[pliant violet]

Reverse image search says an artist named jarzard, I saw it on Facebook

[red rampart]

Ogerpon is the most adorable thing ever that has killed before 😌

[manic kindle]

i enjoy the trend of "plotline legendaries get personalities"

[red rampart]

The -dons and ogerpon are such goobers 😌

[red rampart]

https://x.com/gladionfan/status/1798882154794885445

kathy (@gladionfan) on X

Twitter · Jun 7, 2024, 12:58 AM

[languid lichen]

i want to give them a hug

and ask them to teach me three ways to kill a man

[red rampart]

😌

[pliant violet]

Club

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/quikyu_art/status/1791216343255052771

[languid lichen]

incredible

[red rampart]

Ogerpon is the best tbh

I’m not sure how she dethroned gardevoir as my favorite mon but she managed it

[iron lake]

simple:

the power of :3

[red rampart]

:3

[obtuse ravine]

:3

[south laurel]

Given an ogerpon a kanabo

[languid lichen]

we need more BIG STICK WITH NAILS IN IT rep

[azure knoll]

what if i had the starter pokemon have cycled tera types

like the grass one would have water
the water one fire
and the fire one grass

that could swr up interesting interactions with the rival type character

[red rampart]

https://fixupx.com/d91ny/status/1783054900353782090

[umbral hound]

Could be interesting, but... I feel like, from a game design perspective, part of the reason the rival has the starter that's strong against yours is to make it so you have to catch other pokemon and can't let your starter carry. Although, in recent generations, that's swapped so you have a Big Dramatic Fight where you use your starter against theirs, so you have the type advantage.

[azure knoll]

you are definitely right, i was imagening your rival would use it to gain an advantage rather than vice versa, as some kind of gotcha

not fully formed idea though

[umbral hound]

You could do it kind of like Scarlet/Violet, where the starter's secondary types form a triangle but backwards (although the rival gives up part of that by terastalizing... and if you terastalize, you'll lose the defensive weakness you previously had to the inverted triangle, which is something I hadn't entirely contemplated until just now), and then ||in Mochi Madness Nemona terras her starter to its secondary type.||

[languid lichen]

"secondary types as inverse coverage" is something that's been done a couple times, aye

started all the way back in gen 4

although in a very oblique way

empoleon got steel to defend against torterra's grass type, infernape got fighting to attack empoleon's steel type, and torterra got ground to hit infernape's fire

[umbral hound]

Except that ground also hit steel, so...

[languid lichen]

it does

[umbral hound]

but yeah it was there, and I didn't fully realize.

[languid lichen]

it was a very weird triangle, matchup-wise

[umbral hound]

I mean, Fighting/Dark/Ghost is also weird, since Ghost is immune to but not supereffective against Fighting.

[arctic dagger]

Isn't uh, x/y the best example?

Psychic/fire, water/dark, grass/fighting iirc?

Very clearly triangle and then reversed

[languid lichen]

I wasn't saying it didn't, just that inverted triangles started (with a weird example) a while ago

[azure knoll]

hrmm

the idea was, having a rival type character early on tera to resist your starter would be a good way to show the player that that is a good way to use tera

[arctic dagger]

Is your game about tera?

If it's not I wouldn't fix tera types

Most people who play Pokemon fan games already know that stuff

[azure knoll]

you are right

my target audience though (like 7 friends and family)

havent played pokemon since tera was introduced.

so.i would prefer to have skme kind of tutorial element to it

[umbral hound]

You could do something like s/v where it starts with someone else terastalizing, then you get it and are encouraged to use it to power up one of your mons, and then soon after you get someone who switches types with it (i.e. the gym leaders). That said, S/V doesn't really have any example of defensive terastalizing until Indigo Disc (unless you count electric levitate Mismagius).

[azure crane]

https://youtu.be/SWiMf3gwZ5A

[near flower]

old man yaoi

[azure knoll]

i think i found something
if i made the starters litten, sprigatito and ottaro(hisu)
i could have 3 cats that all become dark type

i think thats valid

[honest cairn]

um ottaro is a mustelid 🤓

but that is a preetty cool trio i like it

[near flower]

otters are basically water cats
and ferrets are basically long cats

mustelid is like cat

[azure knoll]

yea i think its close enough

[near flower]

whiskers, pointy ears, love of fish and mischief, more liquid than animal

[south laurel]

HOW DARE YOU

https://tenor.com/kjKgzXjOm1X.gif

[near flower]

?
thats a complement
i like cats

[south laurel]

(I am not genuinely incensed)

[near flower]

ah okey good

[wispy yarrow]

Alright, Pokemon Crystal Legacy, hard mode Nuzlocke lesgo

[south laurel]

If you catch a Zubat you must name them New Yeller

[round perch]

Who do y'all think the scariest character in pokemon in? Like... spooky scary, not intimidating.

[arctic dagger]

Probably Darkrai?

Definitionally

[fickle thicket]

I'd say Mimikyu has one of the spookiest moments in the series to its name

[near flower]

dusknoir was the first pokemon to come to mind for me
not entirely sure why

[obtuse ravine]

farfetchd just does not tank

i cannot feed this mf 3 crits without it dying

i should honestly just yawn people and then crit them for free

[south laurel]

Giratina comes to mind

Platinum's ending is kind of fascinating

Cyrus seems to have won, having subverted Palkia and Dialga, and then Giratina just shows up

"lolno"

Drags him off into the shadow realm

And the crux of the ending becomes about saving Cyrus, not stopping him

[arctic dagger]

Giratina is very horrifying

[south laurel]

"Yeah motherfucker it turns out if you try to destroy the universe there are things that notice"

"Things that are less forgiving than the protagonist of this game"

[snow cobalt]

gettem

[south laurel]

(I actually love that Cyrus' response to being saved is to leave to look for a new way to destroy reality. It adds this layer of like ... unstoppable force vs. immovable object? ... to the proceedings.)

[snow cobalt]

excrucian grindset

[south laurel]

(The Pokemon world is fundamentally a place of compassion, goodness, and forgiveness; a place where dreams and wishes come true. Cyrus is ... ill-suited for such a world.)

[manic kindle]

my tip is that the move False Swipe can crit! so you can go beat up a weanie pokemon

[obtuse ravine]

omfg

😭

that is very very smart

thank you murdoc

[manic kindle]

no problem!!

[azure knoll]

people have consistently told me that terastelization is a boring gimmick

they where talking about the single player campaign, and i think it may ve true, it would devolve into an attack boost most of the time

i think i will drop the feature for further down the line

[azure crane]

It's a lot more interesting when you can use it defensively, or to provide coverage. But you'll never get to do that in the main game without grinding Tera shards in SV.

[south laurel]

Generally tera is really interesting in doubles and really uninteresting in singles

[azure knoll]

oh that's a really good point!

also, having significantly more douples would accelate how fast your team levels up right?

[south laurel]

Depends on how exactly you have XP mechanics work, but in general yeah

[arctic dagger]

Disagree, I think it's often pretty interesting in singles pvp

Depends on format some. But there's a lot of defensive tera mind games you can really get got or blow someone out with imo

[iron lake]

as a singles showdown player, we think tera is cool. but, y'know. We got to pick the tera types for our mons

[arctic dagger]

Yes that one

Very boring if it's random

[honest cairn]

i think also like open tera helps make things better sometimes like i see in draft league and such like anyone can tera so there's still strategy but its less random out of less field since you know what everything on someones team could tera to

and yes its much more fun when you can choose and not grind

[manic kindle]

In a romhack you could afford to just have a "i change tera types" npc or person in a pokemon center

Not sure how viable that is on the creator/programmer, but I know I've played romhacks where pokemon centers just let you change nature/ivs/evs/etc

[arctic dagger]

Yes I agree with open tera

Opponent should know what you could tera into

[fickle thicket]

my biggest gripe with tera is that gym leaders tera into their type instead of out of it

and honestly that's not even a gripe with tera itself

[honest cairn]

like i like that they're branching into letting gyms not have totally sam type teams, iono having a mismagius to levitat over earthquakes is cool, basically the people yearn for theme gyms

[fickle thicket]

well yeah, but then it teras into electricity anyway

play it the other direction, pull out a tera flying or something, or a tera grass to keep it a little easier

[manic kindle]

Electric with Levitate is the gimmick there

but in the traditional gym sense they usually stick to type

[arctic dagger]

Yeah

This makes sense to me TBH

I'd rather see an electric gym tera something into being electric

Than out of being electric

The misdreavus is one of the only interesting ones though

Most of them are same-type tera

And that's boring

[manic kindle]

I enjoy Sudowoodo into Grass that got a laugh out of me

[arctic dagger]

Ok yes

That was hilarious

[azure crane]

Realwoodo.

[arctic dagger]

@azure knoll https://youtu.be/nJYg4h8ATA8

[pliant violet]

We do love shepsky

[obtuse ravine]

it cannot learn false swipe...

guess i'll roll some lower level team?? except everyone is level 60 so i'll just level it a bit

[arctic dagger]

What? Yes it does, it just needs a TM.

In Gen8 it's at... One of the pokecenter shops I think?

Yeah, Motostoke apparently

[obtuse ravine]

sorry, the galarian one isn't able to it seems

[manic kindle]

Huh

[red rampart]

It really can’t, huh

Ah ha! It gets focus energy via TR!

[honest cairn]

I guess maybe try and find a trainer battle where all their mons are slower, then focus energy plus leek

[red rampart]

Use that with a leek or a scope lens and you should get guaranteed crits

[honest cairn]

If you encounter a bronzong that doesnt have a psychic move ( more common than you think) they can iron defense a bunch and you can maybe farm it

[obtuse ravine]

i've been using a scope lens and leaf blade

not focus energy yet

I just can't get it to survive that long

but yeah, could get through that with levels

[honest cairn]

Do you have a leek? that is double the crit chance of scope lens

[obtuse ravine]

and just crit a team of 5

ooh no, I could get that

[azure knoll]

that itl gym event featured a water team, but it had a coalossal with scald and tera water, i think that worked really well thematically

[fickle thicket]

not me seeing this and thinking "this isn't a good trio, rockruff only evolves once. wait, so does skiddo. ...wait,"

[arctic dagger]

Lmao

[south laurel]

It had better be a Dusk Form Lycanroc :D

[obtuse ravine]

apparently zacian not crowned is not a dual type...

i've never not had it hold the sword tho

😭

[umbral hound]

Just remembered that in Pokemon Gold and Silver, thanks to a typo, the Moon Ball was extra-effective at catching Pokemon which evolved using a Burn Heal.

[snow cobalt]

incredible

[azure knoll]

it would be col to have an evo on healing item

[wispy yarrow]

A pokemon who evolves after eating X berries in battle

[azure knoll]

yea like why not? would be fun

[azure crane]

The Love Ball also had a typo, in that it was more effective at catching Pokémon the same gender as the one you were using.

[obtuse ravine]

[arctic dagger]

Banning Reuniclus in Gen5 OU feels crazy.

Like it's really good, but it's such a staple, IDK

Oh it's a suspect test not an actual ban

[azure knoll]

lmao

[arctic dagger]

Cross-posting from card games and video game discussion to here, courtesy of @unreal seal https://moodytail.itch.io/pocket-crystal-league

Inscryption but Pokemon

[manic kindle]

Its very grindy but fun

Ive messed with their stuff before

[obtuse ravine]

lil guy

[red rampart]

What’s the source for that one?

[languid lichen]

dunno

i've had it sitting in my downloads folder since before i started labeling sources

[red rampart]

Please only post art if you have the source 😓

And by please I mean it is a rule

[obtuse ravine]

twitter account of the artist is deleted

😔

[red rampart]

In other news
https://x.com/teletelo/status/1803179499984658657

bao 🍉🇵🇸 (@teletelo) on X

happy pride from the lil man 🫵😤💖

Twitter · Jun 18, 2024, 9:34 PM

[azure crane]

Source https://web.archive.org/web/20210927101129/https://twitter.com/traaki_/status/1442431634737963009

[languid lichen]

oh, i thought i'd deleted that

cool beans

[obtuse ravine]

ty :))

[obtuse ravine]

3 CRITS

i just need to win now

[obtuse ravine]

throat spray is a 1 use item

:(

except in battle tower

cuz that resets you after

[umbral hound]

I mean it would be kind of OP if it worked multiple times per battle.

[obtuse ravine]

sorry yeah, I'm fine with that

but it gets used up

and not reset at the end of the battle (except for in scvi i think)

i paid 10 BP for that

[languid lichen]

it would be nice if consumables were 1-2 per game and reset post-battle, yeah

[red rampart]

Yeah in sc/vi they're infinite, though I don't know if they tell you that anywhere

[red rampart]

https://x.com/MR14_c/status/1804103054809272368

자속 (@MR14_c) on X

Twitter · Jun 21, 2024, 10:44 AM

[umbral hound]

Challenge time! How many second-stage starter evolutions (i.e. Charmeleon) can you remember off the top of your head, without looking them up? (Not the sort of thing that needs to be posted here or anything; just a fun little mental challenge.)

[snow cobalt]

||Ivysaur
Charmeleon
Wartortle
Bayleef
Quilava
Croconaw
Grovyle
Combusken
Marshtomo
Grotile
Monferno
Prinplup
Servine
Pignite
Dewott
uhhhhhh
Braixen
uhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm out||

this is consistent with the rest of my Pokémon knowledge being on lock for gens 1-5 and then deteriorating progressively afterwards tbh

[obtuse ravine]

i suspect it’ll be the same here

||
charmeleon, ivysaur, wartotle
quilava, bayleef, crocanaw ?
marshtomp??
servine, p
braisen, frogadier, quilladin

gen 7 idk

raboot, drizzile?

||

it could be 13 or 8

[wispy yarrow]

||Charmeleon, Ivysaur, Wartortle
Quilava Bayleef Croconaw
Marshtomp, Grovyle, Combusken
I didn't play gen 4 or 5
Braixen, Frogadier, Quilladin
Torracat, Brionne
Raboot, Drizzile
Crocalor||

[languid lichen]

||Ivysaur, Charmeleon, Wartortle
Bayleef, Quilava, Croconaw
Grovyle, Combusken, Marshtomp
Grotle, Monferno, Prinplup
Servine, Pignite, Dewott
Quilladin, Braixen, Frogadier
Dartrix, Torracat, Brionne
Thwackey, Raboot, Drizzile
Floragato, Crocalor, Quaxwell||

cannot remember which of fire and water are second and third, just that grass is first

[umbral hound]

I always forget some of them, so, yeah, that's 100% I'm fairly sure! I know I would have forgotten ||Drizzile and Frogadier|| (I couldn't remember those while going through it in my head) and in my mental, not-actually-written list, I almost forgot entirely about the gen 5 ones entirely.

[trail bridge]

||Charmeleon||
||Ivysaur||
||Wartortle||
||Pignite||
FUCK

[fickle thicket]

not very many, it turns out.
I get stuck at around gen 5, expected.myself to get up to 7 at least.

[near flower]

i can do all 3 kantos ||charmeleon wartortle ivysaur|| johtos ||croconaw bayleef quilava|| hoenn ||marshtomp grovyle combusken|| unova ||pignite dewott servine|| kalos ||braixen frogadier quiladin||
2/3 for sinnoh ||grottle, monferno||
1/3 for alola and paldea ||dartrix and crocalor||
and idk any of the galar mons

can you tell which game i have played 0 hours of

(partially a trick question because ive never actually played any kanto game
not the originals, not fr/lg, not lets go
should i change this? probably. but i kinda dont want to put up with the originals' jank, gen 3's crust (i played emerald all the way to the post game about a decade ago and it felt bad to me back then), or whatever is up with lets go)

[umbral hound]

it's harder than you might think!

[near flower]

big reveal then: only gen i havent touched aside from the aforementioned is gen 8/galar

[red rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/muku_jirushi/status/1804065268412612930

[obtuse ravine]

🥺

[pliant violet]

https://x.com/yjoistiidaan283/status/1804812209761157470?t=ymsto0mKa0ytt5Eq21CsZQ&s=19

条条大路通罗马短剑之莎莎姐头上全是跳跳虎鞋印子能不能别跳了 (@yjoistiidaan283) on X

Pokemon version Gouki①

Twitter · Jun 23, 2024, 9:42 AM

[obtuse ravine]

yoo

[snow cobalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/StrabbyPrincess/status/1634760918318956544

[arctic dagger]

I was reading through some pokemon fanfic

And I was finding that while I like a bit of darksideness in my pokemon, the actually like, grungy dark stuff was just super meh for me

As much as I enjoy seeing what I view as a bit of realism, when you get to the like... Lack of hope level, I get very meh about it immediately.

I like it when the light of pokemon burns through the darkness, and to me you kinda need a bit of darkness in order to do that.

[south laurel]

This is why I love SuMo and Platinum

[eager vine]

the sillies

[verbal shoal]

https://youtu.be/08CNykGBd8U

[arctic dagger]

Oh sick

Oh hell yeah, Gen9

AND TERA

MULTIPLAYER???

Holy crap

So cool

[soft isle]

[verbal shoal]

multiplayer is so hype

and it comes out like tomorrow

started a new legends arceus run to go for dex completion this time

this game is so fun it's insane

[red rampart]

https://x.com/gomuemon/status/1807972467887296633

ごむえもん (@gomuemon) on X

ずるい！

Twitter · Jul 2, 2024, 3:00 AM

[obtuse ravine]

cutie

patooties

[red rampart]

@obtuse ravine
https://fixupx.com/draw_pann33/status/1808262321716056280

[languid lichen]

https://vxtwitter.com/Grafayay/status/1632132156066603008

[obtuse ravine]

aaaaaaaaaaa

[verbal shoal]

my friend is selling me their copy of platinum we're so back

I'll have all three games

[red rampart]

https://x.com/d91ny/status/1809138570076344427
@woven geyser

찐따 (@d91ny) on X

토오 등긁어주기 1회 천원

Twitter · Jul 5, 2024, 8:13 AM

[woven geyser]

Yoooooo

[earnest nacelle]

Oh Throat Spray is consumable. TIL

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/Iris_Descent_/status/1809606816025739365

this is a fun bit

[soft isle]

https://www.tumblr.com/dinoserious/755482592086802432/oh-sweetheart

[red rampart]

Oh god

[south laurel]

I love Giratina in Platinum

“Gk likes a thing about Platinum, news at 11”

[umbral hound]

I'm back on my sableye cope train.

give it a focus sash, and it's guaranteed to get at least one move off unless it's doubled into with priority (barring scrappy fake out or water shuriken but those are so niche as to be practically irrelevant). Its move pool is very good, but missing a few specific things it'd like (such as trick room, snow, sandstorm, or any form of terrain).

But it get sun and rain, and underspeeds other weather setters to overwrite their weather, though that's less useful nowadays. It also gets quash, taunt, thunder wave, will-o-wisp, thunder wave, confuse ray, encore, helping hand, and (randomly) fake out, plus plenty of more niche options like pain split (good for healing after going down to sash), recover, disable, both screens, mean look, rest, sleep talk, skill swap, gravity, trick, torment, imprison, and (if you're feeling really silly) metronome. Honestly, one of Sableye's greatest obstacles is only having access to 4 moves.

...also an amazing attacking movepool both physically and specially, calm mind, nasty plot, bulk up, aaaaand 75 base attack and 65 base special attack 😔

[honest cairn]

it gets foul play at least

[umbral hound]

yeah

[red rampart]

https://x.com/muku_jirushi/status/1811055119276069282
@glacial ore

む🧪く (@muku_jirushi) on X

すき

Twitter · Jul 10, 2024, 3:09 PM

[karmic imp]

What would be a good concept for a ghost and dragon type pokemon?

[snow cobalt]

<----- glitch reader but a pokemon that plays with the unreality of dragon-ness

dragon/ghost (dragons aren't real)
dragon/fairy (dragons are totally real and also magic)

[soft isle]

okay maybe this is kind of an out there suggestion, but what about a leviathan of some kind? Ghostly monster that sailors tell horror stories about

WaxMask (She/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1160615504562638910 message) What would be a good concept for a ghost and dragon type pokemon?

[mellow robin]

dragon skeleton
(this might be a little much for Pokemon maybe)

[karmic imp]

Great ideas all around

[obtuse ravine]

I was thinking maybe a chinese dragon ghost, since they're long and thin and kinda wisp-like

[obtuse ravine]

a reanimated dragon skeleton would be so cool :O

spooky

[near flower]

i dont think a skeletal pokemon would be all that outlandish, what with all the other spooky ghost types (and duskull is kinda there already)

oh and cubone and marrowack

[honest cairn]

I've always wanted a fossil pokemon that's just a big cube with a fossil in it where it just comes back as a ghost rock mon skipping being brought back by science

[manic kindle]

the shed skin of a dragon come to life

[olive kayak]

hey pokemon fluffs sorry I've been gone a while my life blew up a lot

I did progress the renplat run more, still deathless post Byron so we are free of Darach.

tbh Darach was totally free there are way harder fights I see why they changed him from optional in complete edition

[olive kayak]

but my fiancee just found this cute spheal pic so have a spheal for when I don't have memes or kaizo action

[umbral hound]

...she's sitting next to a spheal which I forgot was blocked in this screenshot 😭

[trail bridge]

i love this stupid mouse pokemon so much

[karmic imp]

Shedinja 2: ghost dragon

[round perch]

https://vxtwitter.com/merme_lada_/status/1811807177054781885?t=mXtXAI8iksLy23bdCmNgpg&s=19

[red rampart]

https://x.com/avHYCcH3x80KCUE/status/1811377863079362864

フキダシコットン『1日1枚‼』 (@avHYCcH3x80KCUE) on X

実はつぶらな瞳
#ポケモン #Pokémon #イラスト #ポケモンSV

Twitter · Jul 11, 2024, 12:31 PM

https://x.com/lvli_x2/status/1811712227852030087
@glacial ore

かいがね🐈‍⬛🍓 (@lvli_x2) on X

毛づくろい
#エーフィ　#ブラッキー

Twitter · Jul 12, 2024, 10:40 AM

[soft isle]

https://www.tumblr.com/sunsnak/755909487151513600/eevee

[obtuse ravine]

🥺

[thorny geyser]

me too, man

I love the alt sprites in infinite fusion so much

idk what I'm gonna fuse him with yet but it's gotta be something special

[thorny geyser]

YEAHHHHHHH

[azure crane]

Would Zapdos and Gyarados fused still be Zapdos?

[umbral hound]

rather than sleeping immediately I shall post this mildly amusing image and then go to bed.

[arctic dagger]

@umbral hound what's it from

[umbral hound]

pokemon TCG; I might be able to find the specific card in a little bit.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Duskull_(Burning_Shadows_51)

[eager vine]

i found a shiny rockruff......

wahoo !

[snow cobalt]

niiiiiice

[obtuse ravine]

shiny!

congrats

[south laurel]

Dusk form Dusk form Dusk form

[eager vine]

for that do i evolve it with a dusk stone?

[arctic dagger]

No, that's what it evolves with hidden ability

[torpid pivot]

Truly the funniest evil teams. They fact they sold so many people on these ideas

[fickle thicket]

the way they both go through "I'm a genius!" "Oh no!"

[azure crane]

After the events of Pokémon Emerald, they realized they're gay for each other and live in a beach house.

[azure crane]

https://www.tumblr.com/ghcstofutopia/748708971164106752

[obtuse ravine]

🥺

[pliant violet]

@woven geyser

[woven geyser]

pog pog pog blessed ideal

[eager vine]

pokemon

[languid lichen]

mocket ponster

[earnest nacelle]

Fuck

I just woke up from a dream where I was a Pikachu in an underground fighting club for male white-collar workers. Since I had superpowers, though, I easily defeated everyone else.

[snow cobalt]

incredible

[fickle thicket]

big if true

[obtuse ravine]

pokken

[south laurel]

Pika Durden

[soft isle]

https://c.vxtwitter.com/oo9nu/status/1762766054055625114

[snow cobalt]

why does Nymble have a base friendship of 20

why does this bug have such hate in its heart

[foggy mango]

It’s Carmine in bug form

https://tenor.com/view/corin-carmine-pokemon-rabia-rage-gif-9826722174037247515

[azure crane]

https://x.com/oekakiiro/status/1814298854403240089

おえかきいろ🍀1日1ビッパ🦫✨ (@oekakiiro) on X

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 1:58 PM

[mellow robin]

https://x.com/bimstown/status/1814581492766679528?t=aXx-oOdfm1CbXxjJgA2jQw&s=19

Bim 💛 (@bimstown) on X

behold

Twitter · Jul 20, 2024, 8:41 AM

[eager vine]

she’s not a hater!!!! she just has a lot of feelings in her heart!!!!!!

even if that does make her a hater sometimes

but it’s not her fault she’s just autistic!!!

[manic kindle]

i like to think its a reference to the hatred all kamen rider have for evil

[snow cobalt]

maybe 🤔

[foggy mango]

True. I think Nymble might be a true hater

[manic kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/shin-kamen-rider-kick-gif-15210369076962918546

nymble becoming lokix to hate harder

[foggy mango]

Lokix finding out there’s a new trainer to harass

https://tenor.com/view/shin-kamen-rider-kamen-rider-ichigo-henshin-motorcycle-typhoon-gif-5590276691924557847

[azure crane]

It never occurred to me that Kamen Riders were called that because they actually rode motorcycles.

[snow cobalt]

they don't do it as often these days

[manic kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-glare-kamen-rider-geats-kamen-rider-kamen-rider-glare-two-kamen-rider-glare2-gif-27547681

now they do the worm

( Geats is fun )

[verbal shoal]

running draft league soon,,, so excited,,,,

[verbal shoal]

man i been sleeping on this that's dope

[thorny geyser]

a sweet child

[fickle thicket]

always a good popoff when they're KAMEN and RIDER at the same time

[karmic imp]

What's the difference between rock and ground?

[manic kindle]

Rock-type pokemon tend to emulate actual rocks/hardness more, as well as The Past via fossils; Ground is more generalized terra firma/earthy stuff

mechanically you could argue its a vestige from the original type chart and rpg design

[arctic dagger]

Ground is also very sand

And dirt

Vs like, stone

[wispy yarrow]

Rock is typically more defensive, ground is usually pretty offensive by comparison, or at least that's kinda how it was early on

[languid lichen]

still mostly the case

grounds are often (but not universally) the faster "earth" mons

compared to rocks and steels

[wispy yarrow]

yeah

[languid lichen]

even if that fast is often relative, and they're usually slower than non-earth mons

you've still got your gliscors and flygons

iirc grounds also broadly have higher hp stats than the other two

versus defenses

[foggy mango]

I think they also have a slightly better special defense (and I'm definitely not basing this off of the best boi Clodsire)

[languid lichen]

steels have the highest spdef of the three, iirc

grounds have the lowest average def and spdef

but the highest average hp by a bit, having just looked it up

[foggy mango]

Oh lol. That does make sense. I had some misgivings since I remembered Steel has nonsense like Empoleon, Bastiodon, Registeel, Bronzong, and Escavalier (my beloved)

[azure crane]

Flygon my beloved, why did Gamefreak do you so wrong in Gen 6?

[foggy mango]

Hey, maybe they'll rectify it with Legends: ZA. Right? ....right?

[trail bridge]

mega flygon... pls

[languid lichen]

mega flygon, mega luxray, megas for the starters of the fucking gen it's from

instead of 2 for charizard

[pliant violet]

They did flygon wrong from gen 3 on

[pliant violet]

I’m expecting more regional variant starters

[languid lichen]

I'm hoping for those too

my one complaint with hisuian starters was that it was just the stage 3s

gimme the fucking babies as regionals too

or at least the 2s

I want hisuian dewott damn it

[eager vine]

flygon stay down #GOATCHOMP

[trail bridge]

garchomp still has a mediocre mega evo

#GONSWEEP

[karmic imp]

Mega greninja, delphox would be cool

[karmic imp]

Game in which you join a Team to fight the unjust government and corps

[obtuse ravine]

not the evil cyndaquil

[pliant violet]

No it’s good

[arctic dagger]

The cyndaqil is getting yeeted at the cops I think

[pliant violet]

Yes

[obtuse ravine]

ohhh

wait poor cyndaquil

[south laurel]

Cyndaquil will be fine

Those cops r gonna die

[eager vine]

real shit...

[karmic imp]

Clodsire is adorable

[verbal shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[snow cobalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/liteelights/status/1815556413432750284

[south laurel]

Do you think eeveelutions get evolution disphoria

[wispy yarrow]

I don't think they would, in canon, however, I have seen a pretty sad fan comic about a trainer who got mad because he got a Sylveon instead of an Umbreon because his Eevee cared for him that much.

[arctic dagger]

Oh I saw that one

Also not how eeveelution works since those are both friendship

[fickle thicket]

it was affection when that comic was made

[wispy yarrow]

Well, outside of the game where pokemonamie is a thing, the stats that it calculates are different, yeah

[fickle thicket]

but you know, classic game freak tying an evolution method to a system that you already know won't survive three generations

[karmic imp]

I like the tera stuff, but wish megaevolution stayed around

[arctic dagger]

Wasn't affection basically friendship anyway?

[arctic dagger]

Well good news...

[karmic imp]

Hmm?

[south laurel]

I liked Megas a lot

[arctic dagger]

Oh mega are coming back

With the next legends game

[karmic imp]

Nice!

[foggy mango]

So much so that they just folded it into friendship starting with Gen VIII. Fortunately, this also coincides with the ability to just catch the Eeveelutions outright, so I guess it’s a wash

[manic kindle]

I'm eager to see more weird evolutions in the next Legends

Legends Arceus had some really fun ones to figure out

[round perch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wFXpiTAd0uk?si=b7lLWceo4Xob0Al2

[verbal shoal]

Turning my switch upside down because I want a malamar

[manic kindle]

Charge your switch while playing to evolve your Magnemite into something else

[south laurel]

God I love Magnezone

[arctic dagger]

Me too!

Almost everyone I talk to dislike it compared to magneton

But I think it's really cool

[fickle thicket]

Exciting unused evolution methods Game Freak could utilize:

• being traded back to the original owner
• being traded back to the original owner while holding an item
• level up while console is below 20% battery charge
• level up between 4pm and 6pm; form dependent on closeness to 5pm
• burn heal
• have it be out when catching fifteen different Pokémon
• trade while holding shiny medal
• not playing the game for a full month; Pokémon is evolved when you turn the game back on
• level up while fainted
• $0.99
• release; catch evolved form in unique wild encounter

[arctic dagger]

It took me longer than I like to realize that this was a shitpost

[fickle thicket]

Thank you :)
For what it's worth, I would put the battery charge one past game freak

[karmic imp]

A fangame does the evolve while fainted

It's a pokemon that evolves based ons status it's suffering from when it levels up

[fickle thicket]

Now that you mention it

Sage?

Some kinda mushroom looking guy?

[karmic imp]

Yeah

[fickle thicket]

Either way, I'm sure there's lots of untapped potential that I didn't think of, what do YOU 🫵 think?

[karmic imp]

Evolve from beating your rivel, with no fainting on your side, multiple times in sequence. Pokemon feeds on their despair

[mellow robin]

Evolves after defeating a specific other species.

[fickle thicket]

Permanently missable, love it

[karmic imp]

Oh, XY let you keep figthing you rival post-game

[fickle thicket]

I know but it would be funnier without

[obtuse ravine]

😭

[languid lichen]

make that the starter evo mechanic

for a special split evolution

they all evolve once doing something story-based

and then they evolve again once you hit a second story point...or once you clean sweep your permanently missable rival fights three times straight

[fickle thicket]

Starter second form gets a split evo for beating the eigth gym

(implicitly: without evolving first)

Or clean sweep, love that too

[umbral hound]

wow! Those would be agonizing for competitive players.

[fickle thicket]

:^)

[languid lichen]

it's not like anyone in comp builds mons legit already

it's all hacked in

because building competitive mons is fucking abhorrent

[fickle thicket]

Split evo for spliced/genuinely obtained mons

[umbral hound]

There are plenty of people who build them legit; they just hate it.

[fickle thicket]

No wait make it worse

Not a split evi

*evo

A forme change

All instances permanently change to Slacker Forme the moment the game detects a single hacked Pokémon

[languid lichen]

I mean, the game can't detect that

not if you do it right

[fickle thicket]

Spend 100% of game freak resources for 5 years to build a detection system

[languid lichen]

and if it can, people would instantly get to cracking it

good, maybe they'd finally bankrupt themselves

[fickle thicket]

Bankrupt the entire company

Sell Aonuma to One Direction to make ends meet

[fickle thicket]

Evolves after fainting to a specific species

[fickle thicket]

• 1% chance to evolve every level up. No safeguard.

(to spare the math, that's about a 36,5% chance of never evolving if raised fdlm egg)

[obtuse ravine]

[azure crane]

They should really have Zangoose and Seviper evolutions that evolve after fighting each other.

[soft isle]

we might or might not be soft resetting for a shiny Treecko in an emerald romhack

(yes the hack we're playing has the RNG fix)

[arctic dagger]

Nice

Which one?

[soft isle]

Modern Emerald https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/pokémon-modern-emerald-complete-2-3-1-released-following-pokémon-modern-battle-frontier-and-more.494005/

[arctic dagger]

Huh

That's cool

I like the idea of remaking the games with the "vanilla" experience but qol

[soft isle]

yeah this is our first time trying it

[azure crane]

https://x.com/avHYCcH3x80KCUE/status/1817538010965319753

フキダシコットン『1日1枚‼』 (@avHYCcH3x80KCUE) on X

取り外して拭き掃除できるフライゴン
#ポケモン #Pokémon #イラスト #ポケモンSV

Twitter · Jul 28, 2024, 12:30 PM

[wispy yarrow]

Yeah that's what Pokemon Legacy did, giving games QoL but also keeping the jank that made them unique

[obtuse ravine]

😨

[azure crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/574613812397867009/1267260127300419664/a04299bd0fb541ccdb3ad6addc4a860d20ea989771d111bc0cf54436aa238f55_1.png?ex=66a82376&is=66a6d1f6&hm=4d1a75ddc7600c224283ad5fb5f3957368a23b8c336e64d5abb8806552ea7f59&

[obtuse ravine]

😭

[trail bridge]

https://vxtwitter.com/KrebsVGC/status/1785457275332653120

one more

https://twitter.com/travsaus/status/1749882538737225778

陈🌦 (@travsaus) on X

lmfao

Twitter · Jan 23, 2024, 7:51 PM

[pliant violet]

love that fish

[trail bridge]

https://bsky.app/profile/trulyavaporeon.bsky.social/post/3kym2b2wyxq2h

[obtuse ravine]

[red rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/547632522884808705/1144290874864439368/ezgif-3-a3936dc965.gif

[median mist]

https://vxtwitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1819176417118081202

[near flower]

ayo!?!

[soft isle]

https://tenor.com/view/bryan-cranston-compliment-who-me-unsure-gif-13603604

[arctic dagger]

You know

TohuBohu kinda sounds like a pokemon name

Probably Ghost/Psychic?

[fickle thicket]

Wait

Wasn't red rescue team already remade

For Nintendo switch

[foggy mango]

Yes

[fickle thicket]

Oh wait that's a virtual console release nvm

Honestly been a little interested in that remake for a while now

But not €60 interested so to speak

[soft isle]

the remake's good but it's like... really bright

it's kind of eye-hurting for us

[foggy mango]

I don’t really play Mystery Dungeon, but one of the big changes I remember seeing was that they added Lucario and the newer evolutions (so Eevee can evolve into Leafeon/Glaceon/Sylveon)

[fickle thicket]

I'll check my national GameStop equivalent's secondhand section if I'm in the area again
They've recently started offering secondhand Nintendo games for secondhand prices

[round perch]

https://fixupx.com/helis40k/status/1818858778428686413?s=46

[manic kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/Squaredash1/status/1819151201075871811?t=JWU3A8QitwZdawF-ssMdiw&s=19

[pliant violet]

I’m mad that this makes sense

[languid lichen]

this has given me a qi deviation

[umbral hound]

I know just who to inflict this on.

[karmic imp]

I understand nothing

[azure crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/tontaro_/status/1819513688849895730

[foggy mango]

Flat

[azure crane]

Bit late, though. Yesterday was Flat Fuck Friday.

[foggy mango]

True 😔

[pliant violet]

Days are a false invention meant to keep us down

[karmic imp]

World is a lie

[south laurel]

Idea: let eeveelutions do a second evolution, into any one physical type

[trail bridge]

that's a lotta eevee

[south laurel]

Yissssss

[arctic dagger]

What's a physical type

[south laurel]

So eeveelutions represent all of the types that were special-based before Gen 4

Plus fairy

[arctic dagger]

Ah yes that's what you mean

Uh, there's a fan game that just lets you hybridize every eeveelution

[south laurel]

So the idea is that you could have jolteon evolve into ground or rock or bug

etc.

70 new eeveelutions :D

[arctic dagger]

My favorite was the uh, psychic/dark I think

[south laurel]

Do you have a link to like an index of them?

[arctic dagger]

Let me see if I can remember the name of it even lmao

[arctic dagger]

FOUND IT

@south laurel https://pokemon-daybreak.fandom.com/wiki/Eevee

https://pokemon-daybreak.fandom.com/wiki/Dualeons

I liked Sootheon a lot

Here's just the image for the types

[trail bridge]

that IS a lotta eevee

[arctic dagger]

Game was good!

Do recommend

Noctiveon I think was another favorite?

I really like the grass/something combos because grass is so bad base

Most of the eeveelutions have some good niche but

Leafeon is just kinda bad?

[thorny geyser]

infinite fusion eevees are good too

[arctic dagger]

Sylveon/Sylveon just being a trans girl is always so good lmao

[thorny geyser]

I love anglerfish vaporeon/umbreon

[arctic dagger]

Cindereon is pretty cool too

Mostly with Technician

Technician Flame Charge and Trailblaze are rpeetty cool

Radeon is also SUPER cool

Fire/Electric is such a rare type

[south laurel]

These are rad

[arctic dagger]

I think it's only Oven?