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#POKÉMON CENTER
south laurel
pliant violet
pokemon
umbral hound
Two questions:
- Who here has seen this already? https://youtu.be/OtSKbj_Nz_c
- What is that little sting at the beginning from? I can almost recognize it, but not exactly (I'm fairly sure it's gen4, but don't remember the specific theme... gym leader maybe?)
Update: that leitmotif is in the the gym leader and elite four themes. Maybe others?
covert saffron
pokémon
snow cobalt
so true!!
snow cobalt
yoooooo very nice
red rampart
In the continuing adventures of Aria playing USUM: I know what you are 🐶
manic kindle
Is she, yknow, a... pardner 🤠
near flower
the speculators have entered the chat
torpid escarp
begging pleading hoping for an unova legends game
red rampart
snow cobalt
How'd they get there all the way from Unova
pliant violet
the second dlc is in unova
snow cobalt
rad
covert saffron
neat
umbral hound
||I really wish they could have included N but unfortunately he has canonically very intentionally left Unova to find himself and learn more about the world and also probably distance himself from the terroristic organization he was theoretically in charge of.||
snow cobalt
I think all of us need that sometimes
manic kindle
He's off starring in that hypothetical pokemon peaceful sim
round perch
So I was thinking if a Pokémon game was to do a party... like traveling with other humans, they could do something like SMT.
near flower
explain (<still hasnt played any SMT games)
pliant violet
What is a slowpoke
south laurel
A miserable little pile of secrets
pliant violet
they look pretty happy
umbral hound
I was just thinking about PMD (I saw a video about a romhack of it) and considering how interesting it'd be to have Ultra Beasts show up.
It'd be really interesting if they kind of invaded floors? One thing I was considering was if sometimes a floor would be "weird" and there'd be different/additional pokemon in it... and then, in addition to the stairs down, there'd be a wormhole you could enter instead, to explore Ultra Space for a few floors.
snow cobalt
That could could be really fun
umbral hound
I think that after a certain point in the story, you'd start getting weird floors sans wormhole and sans explanation, and then after some time you learn about other worlds and then start being able to actually find and enter the wormholes. Normally they'd be optional, but some rescue mission might have you rescue someone who "mysteriously vanished" while exploring a certain dungeon or certain floor, which is code for "the person you're rescuing is through the wormhole".
I also like the idea of... maybe some sort of map tracker that alerts you to where there's definitely a wormhole so you can track them down, but I also really like the idea of them just being a Thing that sometimes intrudes on whatever you're doing. It'd help sell them as a genuine threat.
snow cobalt
Could be a way to introduce challenge runs to a dungeon
pliant violet
random encounter
snow cobalt
Clear it normally, or clear it with additional Ultra Space floors
umbral hound
I was gonna say... isn't it already a roguelite? (Although the words "roguelike" and "roguelite" barely have any meaning anymore.)
pliant violet
yeah but more
idea to make it work: your character is a ditto but you can hold shapes for a while
umbral hound
If you really want to make it spicy, you could add the line "something weird came out!" which is code for "there is an Ultra Beast on this floor!" and... I like the idea of saying the ultra beasts should be higher level than everything around them, but a big nasty you just have to flee from stops being as interesting, and if you are able to fight them, it'll be boring to try to chase them down but have to wade through a dungeon you're overleveled for first.
Also an interesting idea: so, normally there's pokemon you can talk to, and then wild pokemon you can't talk to, but the ultra beasts (being from another dimension) don't speak the same language. They will try to talk to you! It comes out in wingdings.
snow cobalt
Ooooooh
umbral hound
Because at first it seems like they're invading and causing problems, but it soon becomes clear that they're just as fond of this whole situation as you are.
(Well, most of them are. I get the impression that Kartana is just kind of a dick by anyone's standards.)
snow cobalt
btw
there's a new (non-Pokemon) mystery dungeon game out in JP now and releasing in English this month
if that would satisfy the hunger for more mystery dungeon at all
umbral hound
Huh! I didn't know that.
It also throws me off that there's no psychic-type ultra beast (although there's plenty of types that there isn't an ultra beast for, and the legendaries sort of fill in for that slot, so I don't know what I'm surprised by.)
pliant violet
lunala and solgaleo are ultra beasts
as is necrozma
if the definition is "comes from another reality"
umbral hound
I think that they arguably aren't for mechanical reasons, and also Ultra Beasts come from worlds on the other side of Ultra Wormholes, whereas Lunala/Solgaleo arguably come from Ultra Space itself?
round perch
explain (<still hasnt played any SMT games)
Oh, in SMT, you have human party members but they have their own monsters.
I would want a pokemon game with some more traditional pokemon trappings.
near flower
huh
so it would be double/multibattle focused?
round perch
Yeah
umbral hound
...I think what you are describing is the design ethos behind Casette Beasts.
round perch
Oh
I haven't played that yet
I do want a pokemon game with a bit more character focus. And I think pokemon could do it. Like you travel with a group of friends and you all have your own goals like in the anime.
umbral hound
It really seems to have been designed by professional pokemon enthusiasts. All trainer battles are double battles. There's also flexible difficulty with multiple independent difficulty sliders rather than one single number (like preventing/slowing/allowing overleveling, and altering how smart the enemy AI is).
umbral hound
I do want a pokemon game with a bit more character focus. And I think pokemon co...
Also, a selection of companion NPCs.
round perch
Ah!
umbral hound
Well, you have one at a time, and each brings their own specific beast as a forced member of your team of 6.
round perch
We're at the point where people who played pokemon are growing up and are definitely wanting a different direction for the games.
umbral hound
Casette Beasts almost makes me wonder if at some point it was an overenthusiastic rom hack that took on a life of its own. You get HMs by catching specific beasts, but... not out of any sort of forced linear progression. You can just find them and they're there.
manic kindle
It is faithful to the core idea of a Creature Collection game
whereas some games go "we're pokemon but DIFFERENT" cassette beasts goes "we're what you remember playing those games like pokemon, digimon, etc"
umbral hound
It's that, but competitive, basically.
Hence always doubles, which is what VGC does.
manic kindle
Cassette Beasts doesn't have any meaningful competitive stuff due to no current MP and MP would be brutal due to how many auto-setups you can start, but yeah i get your point
round perch
It seems a lot of Pokémon-like games focus a bit too much on PVP.
manic kindle
Do they? I don't know of many that even have MP
round perch
I hear it with some of the newer games. I heard it about Tem Tem.
manic kindle
that one is an MMO so makes sense
round perch
It being an mmo kinda makes me less interested
Cause I didn't know for the longest time
azure crane
Is Giratina an Ultra Beast, since it comes from another dimension?
snow cobalt
Nah it's the wrong dimension
covert saffron
all this “sans wormhole” and “sans stairs”
what about sans undertale??
don’t let giratina catch u askin that
covert saffron
don’t let giratina catch u askin that
arguably the most correct take i’ve ever had about this franchise
red rampart
IIRC giratina also originally came from the main dimension before being banished to the distortion world
covert saffron
satan lookin ass
six six six
gen 4 wild
“yeah we got legendaries”
3 genies of various levels of taking a nap
space dragon
time dragon
god
actual satan
red rampart
IIRC giratina also originally came from the main dimension before being banished...
Also, reminder that giratina is still annoyed by that
red rampart
Regigias 😔
covert saffron
shadow the hedgehog
cresselia, who can do no wrong
and of course also fucking heatran bc if that’s not a legendary then what the fuck else is it
red rampart
Heatran is just a little guy
snow cobalt
manaphy is baby
covert saffron
phione has entered chat
snow cobalt
i didn't raise phione with my platonic(?) life partner in PMD2
near flower
is heatran still the only legendary that isnt a set gender
i didnt play swsh
manic kindle
Urshifu + Terapagos can be
south laurel
near flower
AGH TOTODILE
covert saffron
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1198881530655817788/1205040695749115954...
not me doe
covert saffron
what’s everyone’s favourite starter
covert saffron
nice
pliant violet
Rowlet up there too
languid lichen
turtwig, spritagito, or maybe dewott & hisuian samurott...but i dearly wish the stage 1s and 2s had hisuian forms
i want hisuian dewott and rowlet :(
and quilava
soft isleBOT
Definitely Cyndaquil
pliant violet
bad diss that's purely positive
soft isleBOT
Very nice thing to say about someone
south laurel
Cyndaquil cyoot
torpid escarp
mudkip, fuecoco, rowlet, turtwig
manic kindle
Chikorita and bulbasaur
jovial rampart
Totodile, turtwig and Scorbunny
covert saffron
gonna make stew and potatoes for my girl in a bit :)
THIS ISNT CCC
:0
gonna uhhhh cook a farfetch’d
respectfully, id eat farfetch’d
he even comes holding garnish
everyone else is chilling
pliant violet
So true so true
Is spore 100% accurate when used by a specific type?
I imagine not cause sleep and paralysis are way stronger than poison
red rampart
It’s perfectly accurate in general
pliant violet
Wild
red rampart
Grass types are immune to it though
pliant violet
Yeah that’s part of why they’re part of the core
red rampart
Very few pokemon learn it too
south laurel
Yeah, Spore's deal is that it's one of the strongest moves period but has very limited distribution
pliant violet
did y'all know pokemon gain friendship faster in their met location?
soft isleBOT
seriously? We had no idea :O
pliant violet
i just learned it
it's variable in the first two gens
and not in gen four at all
fickle thicket
scald yuri
tiny saffron
double-team yuri
fickle thicket
hidden power ice yuri
covert saffron
https://vxtwitter.com/Starfey94/status/1756751277084565710
so true bestie
covert saffron
Very few pokemon learn it too
holy shit this is so many mons
in my head it’s still breloom and paras
manic kindle
Amoonguss is the King
pliant violet
Amoognuss is king
red rampart
Amoonguss king
pliant violet
unfortunately he's also a big dumb mushroom
manic kindle
Thats why i love him
manic kindle
Twitter
covert saffron
slightly pog
verbal shoal
either Cyndaquil or Turtwig
turtwig mention !!!
verbal shoal
https://twitter.com/Ayreiiii/status/1757127039868391701?t=PDJtnplQzV3uZh6NfEH_eg...
wait it's what essentials uses??
dope
fickle thicket
what’s everyone’s favourite starter
I want to say mudkip.
Overall imo gen 3 has no losing starters
covert saffron
all that would’ve helped treecko is like
dragon
and even then 4x weak to ice
treecko is weak to fire flying poison bug ice
treecko as a dragon weak to ICE flying bug poison dragon
so like, shrug
soft isleBOT
there's a romhack someone made that basically gives the treecko line dragon typing and like two moves, and it completely fixes everything that's wrong with them
yeah they get the 4X ice weakness but that's no big deal compared to the upsides of that dragon typing
pliant violet
neutral at worst to other starter stab is nice
and being able to rule out electric is very nice
pliant violet
treecko as a dragon weak to ICE flying bug poison dragon
left out fairy
soft isleBOT
we're still running on gen 3 brain so fairy doesn't exist yet for us
pliant violet
but yeah give it like breaking swipe or something and dragon stab
covert saffron
https://vxtwitter.com/homilmugi/status/1757744034188329085
good for him
tiny saffron
I think dark would've fit treecko's line with some slight design changes
manic kindle
Like merging Shiftry into it?
tiny saffron
yeah - prob wouldn't have designed a dark-type Sceptile and Shiftry in the same gen
but they're already rogue shaped, got the darker leaves and redder coloring
manic kindle
I like that imagery
Grass/Psychic or Grass/Flying gives the hoenn starter trio and interesting matchup spread
languid lichen
yeah - prob wouldn't have designed a dark-type Sceptile *and* Shiftry in the sam...
me when the
when paldea introduces 3 grass/darks
i'm still annoyed that a starter and a legend and a third mon were grass/dark
snow cobalt
oooh
bug food
languid lichen
the sprigatito line fucking slaps, and i am a huge fan of wo-chien's design in spite of how staggeringly bad it is
but
did we really need the grass/dark starter to debut alongside a grass-type member of a dark-type legend band and a third random grass-dark for the exact polar opposite of spice?
like come on, even if you're going with the other two
red rampart
What makes wo-chien so bad?
red rampart
the sprigatito line fucking slaps, and i *am* a huge fan of wo-chien's design in...
Also yeah this thing looks sick
languid lichen
What makes wo-chien so bad?
there are a few reasons. the most immediately evident one is its pairing of type combination and role
grass/dark is a very bad defensive type combo, and wo-chien's statline and intended role are a slow tank
so it shares the curse of a lot of slow ice types and slow grass types
on top of that, it's a wall without access to much of any utility, either
manic kindle
Live wo chien reaction
red rampart
so it shares the curse of a lot of slow ice types and slow grass types
Yeah I was about to compare that to ice types
languid lichen
it's a grass type, yet it lacks synthesis and doesn't have any other recovery either (recover being the most obvious - several other gastropod pokemon have it, examples being magcargo and gastrodon)
so it's stuck relying entirely on leech seed for healing, and that's very inconsistent when it's not paired with other options and/or better types or abilities for that meat-grinder role
ferrothorn can get away with running leech seed as its sole recovery, because it has an excellent defensive type combination (steel covers grass extraordinarily well and grass actually helps steel in return), and additionally has a chip damage ability to set itself up for that slow, grindy value game
on top of that, the general metagame for tanks is that they really need some kind of secondary utility benefit - status spread, hazard setup or removal, etc.
red rampart
so it's stuck relying entirely on leech seed for healing, and that's very incons...
What did the grumpy snail do to deserve this 😭
languid lichen
all wo-chien really offers is a Kind Of Strong Knock Off, and the damage of knock off isn't really what you use it for on tanks
historically, defensive grass types in high tiers are things like, again, ferrothorn
which has both the good type combo and both spikes & stealth rock as hazard options
on top of that, starting with gen 8, not every mon in the game gets access to toxic - it's become a lot more restricted of a move, and wo-chien isn't one of the things that gets it
so it also doesn't have that facet of offensive/grind-out utility
red rampart
So it's a tank that can't take hits and the best thing it offers is something incineroar can do better
languid lichen
yeah, that's what it boils down to
bad damaging utility options, bad type combo for its role, no powerhouse hitting otherwise, no other utility on offer, and no recovery
oh, it also wastes a ton of BST on a speed stat that's still too bad to be useful
and on both attack stats, meaning it doesn't have high numbers in either
meanwhile, the other defensive Dark Treasure (Ting-Lu) has a comically highly-optimized bst (45 speed, 55 spatk, gigantic hp + good atk + good def + okay spdef + spdef protection ability)
and it has both hazards (rocks & spikes) and a much better Fuck You button in 110 base attack earthquake
so it protects itself better, has a good offensive type with a good move for it, has bloated stats, has utility, and even has other stuff
red rampart
That would explain why I keep seeing ting-lu when watching tournament vods
languid lichen
and then brute bonnet is also bad because it's another slow grass/dark, but at least it's a tier higher than wo-chien because it has spore (an extremely good status move that stops advantageous switches from being free or safe), a chunky as fuck attack stat, STAB priority, and other good offense
and then my little meow meowscarada is extremely good because it's Greninja The Third
fast protean user with very high coverage, extremely strong and reliable cat-correct STAB (70 bp autocrit and knock off if it wants to use koff), priority, several types of utility (fast toxic spikes, regular spikes, & taunt, trick on a mon that's very conducive to two choice items, and a fast damaging pivot on a mon that guarantees STAB on it)
and is cute
pliant violet
wo chien suffers more than the other treasures because it's ability already exists too
there are much better intimidate users
when you're the only mon that lowers Sp Def when you enter the battlefield that's a big deal
iron lake
it helps that chi yu also does like. One morbillion damage
pliant violet
yes
also fire dark is pretty good offensive typing
can hit almost anything for neutral
and having dark type is nice to swap into psychich types that're targetting your water bear
because in this scenario you are the villain
manic kindle
Im a big chien pao fan
languid lichen
both of the offensive ones are broken yeah
because they just have high stats and cut enemy defenses further
and good, consistent stab
and chienpao also has priority while chiyu has even bigger burst
manic kindle
Wo Chien EX is good in tcg at least
languid lichen
I think chiyu is the better one in doubles?
not really up to date with any VGC info
manic kindle
I like chien more in vgc
Chiyu is certainly easier to use
Cuz its just "flutter mane + chi yu click buttons"
fickle thicket
did we really need the grass/dark starter to debut alongside a grass-type member...
genuinely struggling to remember the third
languid lichen
i listed 'em all already, but it's Meowscarada, Wo-Chien, Brute Bonnet
languid lichen
as a locust
fickle thicket
sorry I saw green and black and just locked it in right then and there
languid lichen
lmao
fickle thicket
I mean sorry I'm from the tcg reality
languid lichen
fun fact, gen 9 literally doubled the roster of grass/darks
previously you had cacturne, shiftry, and zarude
(well, and nuzleaf)
(but fully-evolved grass/darks)
it's very funny that another 2/3s of the grass/darks were in a different single gen
fickle thicket
fun fact gen 1 still houses over a third of all poison types after 9 generations
languid lichen
and we're still missing a number of type combos
fickle thicket
who needs ghost/rock anyway
it's not like there's like three good candidates for it
languid lichen
we also don't have a normal/ice or normal/bug
or normal/steel
but normal combos are kinda wack and cringe sometimes, especially when they're quad fighting weak
(oh also normal/rock)
and there's no fairy/fire, fairy/ground, or fighting/ground
fickle thicket
also bug/dragon seems like a missed opportunity
fickle thicket
no fighting/ground?
fickle thicket
damn it really is just the one huh
languid lichen
also bug/dragon seems like a missed opportunity
i consistently disagree with base flygon being bug/dragon, but i do think trapinch should be bug/ground like nincada
we also need a fully-evolved bug/ground that isn't a form of a terrible and forgettable gimmick mon
fickle thicket
Oh I wasn't even talking about flygon
languid lichen
but we need a lot of good type combos
fickle thicket
oh also over half of rotom's forms are the only pokemon with that dual type
languid lichen
it's currently just base rotom and heat that are their only members
unless i'm forgetting another ele/ghost
but that's 2/6
fan had zapdos before it, and has had a bunch of mons since (emolga & thundurus, then an oricorio form, then kilowattrel), wash had lanturn before it, and fridge got God's Mistake in gen 8
and then mower got hisuian orbs
fickle thicket
the balls...
languid lichen
so it's just ele/ghost and ele/fire that rotom holds the sole claim to
fickle thicket
surprising about electric/ghost, honestly, what with recent gens' tendency towards object ghost types
languid lichen
it is a bit odd
fickle thicket
fix it
near flower
man so many cool things could be done with elec/fire
pliant violet
Volcanic lightning
languid lichen
i want to see an ele/fire starter, honestly
I want more immediately dual-type starters, like bulbasaur or rowlet
fickle thicket
I think they're too afraid of giving any one starter a clear advantage over the rest to do something interesting with typing anymore (even though they keep making one of them superior anyway)
pliant violet
that's subjective
fickle thicket
well, you can see it in usage stats
gen 9 is a big exception compared to the previous... I don't know, 6 gens?
actually I'm not sure if gen 5 has one
pliant violet
sure but which format
like if a thing is bad in one format but good in another
how do you determine which is superior
fickle thicket
honestly both of them, smogon and svg tend to have a lot of overlap
languid lichen
actually I'm not sure if gen 5 has one
serperior
fickle thicket
well there you go
languid lichen
neither of the others were very good in singles or doubles
but serperior has been viable several times
pliant violet
Serperior is even better now
fickle thicket
the one thing you could say is that incineroar doesn't perform in singles so it's much bigger in svg than in smogon, but then none of the other two really step up in smogon anyway
pliant violet
vgc not svg
languid lichen
gen 6 has ofc greninja, gen 7's was doubles incineroar
languid lichen
gen 4 actually has two that have been good a few times
empoleon's had some periods of use for its utility and iirc it saw some defiant fuckery in gen 6 VGC?
and it's pretty consistently been UU in singles
fickle thicket
gen 8 has protean libero cinderace
pliant violet
gen 8 they're all bad
languid lichen
and infernape's also hovered around there
pliant violet
actually no
languid lichen
no, gen 8 two are broken in singles
languid lichen
rillaboom is comically overtuned with massive damage prio
fickle thicket
woa nice
languid lichen
and cinderace is Greninja Two, but with hazard removal instead of hazards
also worse because of it, and bc not mixed
but still
it was stronger for a while in the gen 8 meta
fickle thicket
I still can't fathom why they went "man protean greninja was too wild, let's not do that again. how about we give cinderace a signature ability that does the same"
pliant violet
also pure fire is worse than water dark
languid lichen
better defensively, since it doesn't get cucked by the meta prio
fickle thicket
and of course the man the myth the legend speed boost blaziken, lol lmao gg
pliant violet
protean ignores that i know
languid lichen
and the prio is what matters for protean
blaziken wasn't busted until gen 5 when HAs hit and it got the favored child button
iirc they were kind of all viable before
pliant violet
gen 9 all of them are pretty good
languid lichen
or at least swampert and blazi
languid lichen
gen 9 is the first in a while where they're all useful
fickle thicket
gen 9 all of them are pretty good
i hear quaquaval kind of lags behind the other two
languid lichen
Greninja Three, Even Better-er This Time
languid lichen
they're a tier up
fickle thicket
I was looking at the wrong list B)
languid lichen
not in banlist tier
fickle thicket
😎
fickle thicket
Greninja Three, Even Better-er This Time
didn't protean get nerfed to fuck though
languid lichen
fire/ghost with unaware is just cracked and the goober has a godlike movepool
pliant violet
torch song
languid lichen
didn't protean get nerfed to fuck though
kind of, but it's still stronf
and little meow meow has excellent everything
pliant violet
why yes i do want a strong move that constantly boosts my attacking stat
languid lichen
protean now only activates once per "deployment"
fickle thicket
choice type lmao
languid lichen
but that's still giving the benefit on choice sets and the initial switch, even if it's not nearly as good
for the gren flex
which could oscillate between water, ground, and poison easily
and loved to
but yeah, starters always have advantages over each other
and starters often end up dual anyway
they should just
all start dual some more
pliant violet
my main competitive play is either in monotype or Little Cup
fickle thicket
don't think we'll ever ever see a dragon starter though, first stage or FE
languid lichen
I want a region of triple dragon starters
fickle thicket
now that'd be something
languid lichen
fire/dragon, water/dragon, and grass/dragon all gain the same benefits
since the type resists all three starter types
so as long as it's fairly distributed, it'll be fair for starter matchups
fickle thicket
arguably grass is slightly worse off for the x4 ice weakness, but the reason I think we'll never get a dragon starter is for casual reasons not comp
pliant violet
fire/dragon, water/dragon, and grass/dragon all gain the same benefits
legends unova
languid lichen
grass would be the worst bc no fucking way water/dragon doesn't get ice moves yh
but like
coverage doesn't count for starter sensibilities
never has
pliant violet
spore immune dragon though
languid lichen
legends unova
this would fuck so hard, yeah
can't remember the name of the city, but ofc the dragon gym one
with drayden & iris
that's your starting town, you get three dragon starter choices
fickle thicket
imagine if legends unova came out and it still doesn't have the origin dragon
pliant violet
opelucid city
fickle thicket
god DAMN
languid lichen
yeah, opelucid!
pliant violet
legends unova where the starters are all dragon pseudo legend variants
pliant violet
yeah the other hisui forms and evos are fine
i love both versions of decidueye so much
languid lichen
with PMD:E primal dialga
fickle thicket
I imagine some artist was sketching centaur palkia for fun and his manager snatched the paper before he could add the arms
torpid pivot
Ursaluna makes up for the legendaries
fickle thicket
just snatches the paper and IMMEDIATELY goes "これはすごいです、すぐにゲームに取り入れてください！"
torpid pivot
The whole suite of alt-mons tbh
languid lichen
legends unova where the starters are all dragon pseudo legend variants
don't even need to make em pseudos tbh, keep the 540-ish parity with other starters
but just
moss gecko dragon
languid lichen
lagiacrus-looking-ass water dragon
pliant violet
ancient water dreepy
grass deino before the locals made the line evil
fire jangmo-o cause armour and scales fits fire
gible works too though
magma shark
pliant violet
tbf i think i took this idea from youtube
torpid pivot
A non-ground-type Garchomp, the world heals..
languid lichen
I've been asking for all dragon starters for like ten years
languid lichen
A non-ground-type Garchomp, the world heals..
chomp needs to get some gas
motherfuckers be powercreeping my boy
can't have shit in detroit
torpid pivot
I'm not all for powercreep but I like adjustments
languid lichen
god I want magma garchomp
fickle thicket
motherfuckers be powercreeping my boy
sorry what's that? 680 BST legendary with two abilities? yeah sure
languid lichen
torpid pivot
I just always struggled with his theming
Supersonic jetshark but he's a little dirt boy
fickle thicket
he's just a little dirt boy
torpid pivot
And another one evolving hands off
fickle thicket
filthy little mud laddie
pliant violet
Supersonic jetshark but he's a little dirt boy
land shark
languid lichen
I mean
chomp has hands
they're just on his massive fuckoff fin-arms
and "land shark that's also a fighter jet" fucking slaps tbf
torpid pivot
but why jet if dirt
pliant violet
garchomp might be my fave pseudo?
torpid pivot
Gible is such a perfect creature
fickle thicket
like maybe you could call that one finger
pliant violet
either that or dragapult
languid lichen
garchomp might be my fave pseudo?
same
fickle thicket
love dragapult but then again I love ghost types
languid lichen
would have to go consult my massive favorites chart again
pliant violet
absolute banger of a gen designwise
fickle thicket
took until gen 9 for a ghost type that I straight up do not like to come into existence
pliant violet
the trick is it's all modern
languid lichen
gen 8 was a fucking catastrophe that got some hits
pliant violet
disagree topple
fickle thicket
goldengho is the bane of my ghost type loving existence
languid lichen
are so unpleasant
pliant violet
what
fickle thicket
string cheese man looking bitch
pliant violet
not you money
languid lichen
gholdengo is such a disappointment compared to ginmighoul
torpid pivot
Annihilape tho
pliant violet
and the fossils just
i think the fossils are fantastic
torpid pivot
What a gift to an old mon
languid lichen
annihilape good
pliant violet
stellar representations of what they're meant to represent
fickle thicket
yeah see that's the thing with the gen 8 models
torpid pivot
stellar representations of what they're meant to represent
this is true, but seeing them in show/game makes me sad
pliant violet
the bong urinal dragon is a disgrace
and i have no idea what you're even referencing here
languid lichen
duraludon
languid lichen
urinal vape dragon
pliant violet
i think duradalon looks good
fickle thicket
they look like they are in pain
languid lichen
they are canonically in pain
fickle thicket
not the coolest concept in the world can salvage a fumbled execution
languid lichen
yeah
languid lichen
the idea is good, the execution is so fucking nasty looking
especially the upside-down head one
pliant violet
and i just don't agree
languid lichen
also the gen 8 starters are the only ones I think are actively bad (the stage 1s are good though)
grookey good, sobble good
their evos just are not
languid lichen
kraft single bunny kinda wack though
fickle thicket
nice counterbalance to james pond looking so terrible
languid lichen
why tf game freak keep slapping kraft singles on their fire starters
first scorbunny then fuecoco
languid lichen
yeah but charmander has an open flame right there
fickle thicket
skeledirge looks cool but I can't help but feel sorry for it
languid lichen
perfect for quick-frying
fickle thicket
one evolution and it loses both its bipedality and its cool fire hat
languid lichen
lmao
pliant violet
why tf game freak keep slapping kraft singles on their fire starters
for scorbunny it's meant to be a bandage
fickle thicket
(honestly feels like a blastoise situation imo)
languid lichen
it just looks like cheese
fickle thicket
(skeledirge looks good but fuecoco and fuecoco2 do not lead up to it at all)
torpid pivot
Bulbasaur understood evolution, becoming a larger and larger frog
Mons these days are always turning into a guy
languid lichen
mons always turned into a guy
torpid pivot
Not all the starters tho
languid lichen
charmander and squirtle became more and more A Guy with each stage
blaziken is A Guy
torpid pivot
Charizard is a lizard but Squirtle i'll admit has been a guy the whole time
languid lichen
gen 8 is most egregious though
with Literal Man and FF14 Anthro
incineroar is also extremely A Guy
torpid pivot
I'm mostly joking but I do prefer pokes to remain Crittery
torpid pivot
Incineroar could rent a house
languid lichen
I think having a percentage of Dude is fine
but I want less of that for the starter lines
languid lichen
meowscarada is 100% a guy
so is quaquavel
I just really like meowscarada's execution of it
and quaquavel gets points for being a flamenco dancer
languid lichen
literally just the same thing three times
torpid pivot
forgot to evolve him
languid lichen
but it stands up for #3
fickle thicket
It's the same guy!!!! Three of the same dude!!!!
languid lichen
genuinely kind of fucked up
name doesn't even really change at all
pawmi pawmo pawmot or something like that
fickle thicket
I like the idea of fighting/electric Pikachu that clobbers your shit but did it need two evolutions? Did it need one?
languid lichen
phoned right the fuck in
pawmot really could've been a single-stage
just
an audino/chansey
fickle thicket
If you submitted that to a fakemon community you'd get roasted to death immediately
languid lichen
yeah
torpid pivot
Tandemaus is the perfect version of the non-evolve evolve
languid lichen
rightfully
fickle thicket
None of them are the worst design in the series, but definitely without a doubt the worst line
languid lichen
maushold is the funniest shit
pliant violet
i like that it's a pikaclone that evolves
languid lichen
"yeah, it evolving absolutely is just them fucking"
pliant violet
it also gets an absurd move
languid lichen
"what are you gonna do about it?"
fickle thicket
I fucking love that maushold doesn't even have an evolution event
pliant violet
the revival one
fickle thicket
It just does it when you aren't looking
languid lichen
i like that it's a pikaclone that evolves
I like that in theory, but it was done so poorly I wish it didn't
fickle thicket
Make an evolving pikaclone couldn't even copy pikachu
fickle thicket
I don't like pancham itself much
It's just a bit too
I don't really know how to put it
Love pangoro though
fickle thicket
Mega F for being a fighting/dark introduced in the fairy generation
fickle thicket
I'm just gonna say it
Right now
Eiscue is my personal last place loser for visual design
Every part of it that isn't just ye olde penguin is awful, both forms
languid lichen
I'm not sure I'd put it in last place, but i agree that it's at rock-bottom for sure
if it ain't dead last it's close
fickle thicket
I genuinely can't think of a single design I like less
Eiscue to me hits that golden balance between boring and ugly, and manages to come out with the worst of both worlds
languid lichen
magnemite is close to that spot for me
fickle thicket
Most ugly Pokémon are at least interesting; most boring pokemon at least don't look that bad
But eiscue
Hoo
languid lichen
magnemite, magneton, klink, klang, eiscue, arctozolt, arctovish, dracozolt dracovish
torpid pivot
magnemite is close to that spot for me
I'll admit Magnemite gets a lot of points because I love the way they spoke in the anime as a kid
languid lichen
those are the things I can think of that are competitive for Literal Worst Design In The Game imo
magnemite is a literal magnet with eyes, and magneton is just three of them
fickle thicket
I think magnemite and magneton are fine. They're not great, but fine. Simple and effective.
languid lichen
klink and klang are brutally boring, just being gears with a face and no pizzazz
the gen 8 fossils are a punishment from god sent to haunt my eyes
and eiscue is a penguin but bad
fickle thicket
Stonjorner also deserves a special spot to me
Unbalanced motherfucker
Looks even worse in motion
languid lichen
I think it would be less of an atrocity if it weren't stuck in the incredibly unflattering gen 6+ engine
fickle thicket
MIMIKYU MY BELOVED
MY DARLING MY DEAR MY PERFECT LITTLE BABY WHO CAN DO NO WRONG
languid lichen
or that design style at least
torpid pivot
The 3d gens lighting kills a lot of the aesthetic sometimes
languid lichen
yeah
fickle thicket
I love those little hoplites!
pliant violet
gnomes
fickle thicket
They hop, don't they?
fickle thicket
Jumplites
pliant violet
see they're using both legs
fickle thicket
Falinks is nice yeah
I like that their signature move is just GIVE ME GLORY OR GIVE ME DEATH
pliant violet
i prefer to focus on designs i like rather than ones i don't
pliant violet
very good design
south laurel
https://tenor.com/view/falinks-pokemon-gif-9270566449801523911
Hoplites
pliant violet
gnomes
fickle thicket
Fighting type? More like bighting type when I'm finished
south laurel
Too real
fickle thicket
dogg
pliant violet
does that look like a young professor oak to anyone else
south laurel
It does
azure crane
https://vxtwitter.com/aevris_/status/1759752918360576338?s=46&t=wldJvkS9olq8hinY...
heugh HEUGH HEURGH
"Pointed stones float around the enemy team!"
soft isleBOT
Was this not supposed to be a young Professor Oak?
ReggiesWarOnEverything (He) ↩️
languid lichen
Was this not supposed to be a young Professor Oak?
no
it's an oc
that happens to look somewhat similar
fickle thicket
this is my new pokemon OC Yongprofe Esseroke
soft isleBOT
fickle thicket
hm? did a direct get announced?
soft isleBOT
yeah there's one coming in a few days iwrc
just checked, it's on the 27th
rumors abound because the stream's game was listed as being Gold/Silver
fickle thicket
ah, thanks
fickle thicket
I keep forgetting
covert saffron
heugh HEUGH HEURGH
"Pointed stones float around the enemy team!"
get OUT
legends celebi.
no more
tiny saffron
legends UNOVA 🙏
and have the ORIGINAL DRAGON look COOL
instead of the ||fork squidward dialga||
languid lichen
ye
manic kindle
Twitter
manic kindle
This is the origin of Nuzlocke
Thats a seedot drawn as Locke from Lost
Eventually he evolves into nuzleaf
manic kindle
Now you know!
snow cobalt
this is all happening for a reason
pliant violet
very
azure crane
It's like a baby lizard.
covert saffron
i loved how lost-centric OG nuzlocke is
pliant violet
i'm lost
umbral hound
you know what pokemon is underappreciated?
...you search for its name in the little built-in gif thing and the first two results are its evolution, swoobat. And then it quickly starts showing other bats.
umbral hound
and it gives you kisses with its nose but don't worry about that
red rampart
https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-air-slash-woobat-gif-12106529946931310584
tbf it isn’t very good
manic kindle
Swoobat does have a cool niche as a Simple ability holder
snow cobalt
niiiiiice
tiny saffron
it made a specific player so mad lmao
"its a bad pokemon!" its his little guy
its level morbillion and it has min-maxed stats in the system
it will kiss you to death fainting
"why isn't it his Diancie, the legendary pokemon"
uhhhh thats not his little guy
manic kindle
we've done something similar in ours
pliant violet
Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites
manic kindle
thank you karen
delayed cuz i got busy but i always appreciated one of my DMs making the final evil team boss's team include their personal partner Houndour, which he refused to evolve to make it easier to transport and slip into tight spaces
umbral hound
thinking about how Black/White had a Secret Fourth Text Speed just so N would always talk quicker than everyone else.
pliant violet
I did not know this
umbral hound
Yeah. If you have your text speed set to Normal or Slow, N's dialogue displays at Fast speed. If you have your text speed set to Fast... that's where the Secret Fourth Text Speed comes in.
Honestly N is such a character, and having him show up in a future game would both make very little sense and be really awkward as a cross-gen cameo (the closest thing would be Cynthia in gen 5, and she doesn't have the same sort of backstory as N does) but also I would love it.
pliant violet
Yeah. If you have your text speed set to Normal or Slow, N's dialogue displays ...
Who doesn’t set their text to fast tbh
First thing I do
umbral hound
I just press A again so the text all pops up, and don't bother going into the settings usually.
pliant violet
Honestly N is *such* a character, and having him show up in a future game would ...
He’s just in legends unova with no explanation
That’d be the best outcome
umbral hound
Honestly? They just had a game (or, rather, part of one) that was in Unova and it would have made no sense whatsoever for him to have shown up but it would have also been extremely cool.
pliant violet
There’s no reason to question it because of course N is in the ancient past, next question
pliant violet
Honestly? They just had a game (or, rather, part of one) that was *in* Unova an...
Yeah the better half of the dlc
manic kindle
I've had some time to think about it, and I'm sticking with these predictions for the announcements, this is all Super Hopeful Stuff:
- a pokemon arcade-y spinoff (pinball, something similar, maybe a phone game like the magikarp jump)
- a pokemon movie trailer
- some pokemon games coming to switch expansion
- announcement of some new weird thing ( Old School TCG, some weird spinoff like Pokemon x Persona, etc )
- a hint of the next mainline but nothing substantial at all
umbral hound
yeah. It's in a secluded underwater school off the coast of Unova, not somewhere public a person could just... walk into. Honestly, it would've made more sense for him to appear in Area Zero having flown in, but then that would sort of require more explanation of the Paradox Pokemon since he would've been able to talk to them and they honestly work best when they're mostly unexplained and kind of alien.
Also I have thus far seen nothing acknowledging the fact that, with the very normal DLC-to-another-DLC thing basically confirming Penny's father as Peony, that means Penny and Bede are cousins.
maybe? It's actually kind of unclear if Bede was officially legally adopted, but it seems like maybe not.
snow cobalt
Pokesona huh........
umbral hound
I mean, Pokemon x Nobunaga's Ambition is a literal game that exists.
snow cobalt
that's true and it does slap
manic kindle
it was meant to be pokemon x fire emblem, but they didnt get the deal to go through
but that is my hope
gimme pokemon mario party
snow cobalt
it was meant to be pokemon x fire emblem, but they didnt get the deal to go thro...
no way
umbral hound
Another fun fact which I really want to do something with:
- Arven is "a kind of tallish guy with moderately long somewhat green hair who likes to go out on hikes in weird places and always has a pokemon with him"
- N is "a kind of tallish guy with moderately long somewhat green hair who likes to go out on hikes in weird places and always has a pokemon with him"
I'm not saying that they're related or anything. But just that someone who describes one could be mistaken for describing the other, and there's probably some potential there.
manic kindle
Had this game not existed, the game Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE would have been proposed as a Fire Emblem/Pokémon crossover game instead.[7]
near flower
...do people see arven's hair as green?
torpid pivot
I sure hope not, is it not like a sandy blonde/brown
torpid pivot
It always kind of makes me think of some sort of softserve
pliant violet
happy pokemon day gamers
snow cobalt
south laurel
gentle escarp
i just started a s/v run with the compass fanmod :3
manic kindle
whats that do?
gentle escarp
lots of QoL changes, reworked trainer battles, difficulty tweaks, etc.
manic kindle
hope you have fun!
torpid escarp
oooooh
umbral hound
Arven's hair really isn't green. I just vaguely misremembered it as being close enough that they could describe similarly.
Anyway, in honor of pokemon day, I just rediscovered this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtSKbj_Nz_c
gentle escarp
i'm not looking forward to whatever discourse pops off on tomorrow's stream
manic kindle
my motto is that pokemon is good as hell when you dont listen to strangers on the internet
so i dont
trail bridge
torpid escarp
Legends: Victini when
soft isleBOT
not a fan? :P
pliant violet
i don't hate them
torpid pivot
They picked some of my favorites so they're perfect acksually
fickle thicket
looks interesting, unfortunately made by a wholly incompetent developer
pliant violet
but they gave them to all the wrong pokemon
torpid escarp
is this real?
fickle thicket
yea
soft isleBOT
yeah it's real
pliant violet
looks interesting, unfortunately made by a wholly incompetent developer
is it not the team that did arceus?
torpid pivot
The only mistake was giving two to charizard
soft isleBOT
they just announced it
torpid escarp
no fucking way
pliant violet
i don't spread misinfo
fickle thicket
is it not the team that did arceus?
It's game freak. They don't have competent teams.
pliant violet
unless it's funny
fickle thicket
Even legends arceus was a technical mess at the best of times
pliant violet
It's game freak. They don't *have* competent teams.
if you're gonna be negative i suggest no
soft isleBOT
We liked Legends Arceus a lot ._.;
torpid escarp
if it's the same team who did Arceus i still have reasons to be excited because that game was COOL
and i love regional starters please give me more regional starters
water/ghost swampert or bust
pliant violet
like showing up to dunk on something folks are excited about is not cool
fickle thicket
as a side note how are we meant to read the end of that name
is that an A? Z-A? ZA-? AZ-?
torpid pivot
Legendza
pliant violet
logos don't have to make sense
manic kindle
I'm very excited.
fickle thicket
and then they had the letters fade in in the order Z - A, which isn't the left-right order anyway
manic kindle
2025 will be a fun year
torpid pivot
yeah like the logo for Metroid Prime 4, that game isn't even real
manic kindle
very excited to help build Lumiose City
soft isleBOT
We look forward to seeing how they officially write the name out.
pliant violet
i never ended up playing arceus actually
manic kindle
and i love regional starters please give me more regional starters
very excited to see the thousands of pieces of fanart of every alt regional starter possible
pliant violet
that never stopped
manic kindle
true
torpid escarp
my hopes, prayers, and kingdom for water/ghost swampert
manic kindle
also cece im very sorry i think my ping was on
manic kindle
my apologies
torpid escarp
is fine
manic kindle
swampert is a good lad
pliant violet
two of my fave starters got love last time
so torterra and greninja this time please
soft isleBOT
We'd love to see Mudkip in Legends Z. 
torpid escarp
so torterra and greninja this time please
if they follow the precedent, it won't be greninja because they don't do the region's starters
vernal rapids
i have strong and unpopular opinions on megas
oh im glad im not the only one
manic kindle
i am also excited about the mobile tcg client because of the "simplified rules" bit
torpid escarp
(but that's assuming it's a precedent and not just a one-off thing)
fickle thicket
one isn't much of a precedent
torpid escarp
yeah but it's what we've got, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pliant violet
oh im glad im not the only one
i say unpopular but i know a lot of folks share my opinion
fickle thicket
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pliant violet
my favourite gimmick is actually tera
fickle thicket
so reggie how do you feel about that unite announcement
pliant violet
i like it a lot
soft isleBOT
I think it would be very cool and sexy of Gamefreak to create mega evolutions of the eeveelutions, I'm just saying.
torpid escarp
tera is cool
vernal rapids
I like terastal because its literally the same for every pokemon
manic kindle
unite announcements are funny cuz we've known about them for a while due to really reliable leaks
vernal rapids
gigantamax was also good for this reason except that then they made some exceptions anyway and also it was kind of boring
pliant violet
but your choice of tera type can do a lot
fickle thicket
lol
pliant violet
unite announcements are funny cuz we've known about them for a while due to real...
and pts
miraidon busted rn
manic kindle
miraidon go brrrr
fickle thicket
gigantamax was also good for this reason except that then they made some excepti...
gigantamax was extremely battle-centralizing, much much more than megas or tera or even Z-moves. It honestly became a d/g-max game rather than a pokemon battle game
pliant violet
i'm just grinding chomp rn tryna get to try draft
vernal rapids
yes it was good for that reason and then not good for a host of other reasons
soft isleBOT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axpTHexSIn8 Video's up, they're calling it Legends Z-A
fickle thicket
no that's a big point against it
manic kindle
thats a very megaman ass title, i love it
vernal rapids
probably they won't
pliant violet
i forgot you played unite murdoc
you see that ceruledge stuff was datamined from this update?
manic kindle
i did!
I play casually and just slowbro one-trick, but one of my close friends is a consistent top tier master rank player
fickle thicket
probably they won't
unless they announce pokemon legends Z-B, I honestly think no one will bother to append the -A
pliant violet
i was hoping they'd announce the release date for the silly little guys
vernal rapids
unless they announce pokemon legends Z-B, I honestly think no one will bother to...
people will just call it pokemon za
manic kindle
yeah, i think they said April
pliant violet
so i could stop playing for two weeks in advance
manic kindle
pokemon ska
pliant violet
pokemon pizza
fickle thicket
still putting my chips on legends z though
soft isleBOT
PLZA makes me want to pronounce it plizza
pliant violet
Swish
manic kindle
mmm, plizza
pliant violet
buckets
fickle thicket
swsh is silly anyway, ss suffices perfectly fine
manic kindle
would you like a plizza kids meal with the free pikachu toy
fickle thicket
*plikachu toy
manic kindle
ss is hard to do cuz soulsilver exists
vernal rapids
swsh is more fun to say
pliant violet
also nazis
manic kindle
that last part is unfortunate and true
fickle thicket
the amount of times people have talked about soulsilver in isolation
manic kindle
cant have shit in this world
manic kindle
anyways im excited to build lumiose city and probably gather little guy particles to build Big Z
fickle thicket
well it's not like that abbreviation is used by those folks anymore
I think
and hope
pliant violet
big z actually getting a game is the most shocking part about the announcement
soft isleBOT
I'm kind of glad it's Kalos for a bit of a strange reason - we really didn't like the sixth generation games. Legends Arceus was what made us like Sinnoh, since we didn't care for the fourth gen games either. Hopefully Legends Z gives us a reason to be excited about Kalos.
fickle thicket
I really wonder when it'll be set actually
nothing about that teaser indicates it being very long ago like legends arceus is
cerulean ice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axpTHexSIn8 Video's up, they're calling it Legen...
My honest emotional reaction to this is "Thank God they aren't making an American colonialism simulator"
pliant violet
probably around when AZ is making his magical mystery device
fickle thicket
which would make sense for a city planned around a landmark as technological as lumiose tower
pliant violet
the one under geosenge town
cerulean ice
I was genuinely worried they would spring for a Pokemon Legends game in Unova
fickle thicket
I'd call 3000 years very long ago
manic kindle
if its using the same vibes as Legends Arceus, its likely the city is trying to be built to avoid the pokemon problems Sinnoh encountered in its time, and the player will help keep pokemon problems at bay while also dealing with AZ and the little guy particles
pliant violet
i'm glad they did not do legends unova
because it is my second least favourite place
torpid pivot
I'll miss terrorizing the Professor with Porygon
cerulean ice
Reggie you dash my heart against the rocks
torpid pivot
"What is that. What the fuck is that, does it even eat food"
pliant violet
you'll survive lister
fickle thicket
pokemon legends unova and it's just the same except no bridges so getting to and from castelia is a pain in the ass
cerulean ice
you'll survive lister
I have only so many spare hearts
pliant violet
just steal more
cerulean ice
Those days are behind me
fickle thicket
you know
pliant violet
i do not know
manic kindle
i will give you my heart, mlister
but in exchange you have to give me the giant psyduck plush
pliant violet
fair trade tbh
fickle thicket
when they announced scarlet and violet, the first thing I thought was "holy shit that release date is SO soon after the last big entry, they're going to have zero time for QA"
2025 release seems like a much more lenient timeframe to release in
so that's a good start at least
pliant violet
ScVi is fun
manic kindle
i hate that myth
soft isleBOT
https://c.vxtwitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1762487295859405151 Oh interesting, it's entirely set within Lumiose City
pliant violet
i like it less than SwSh but it's still good
manic kindle
Its not like that dont work on the game until the other one is entirely finished
They have teams
fickle thicket
they haven't really given any reason to think they had any QA done on SV though
a while back gamefreak released a statement that they'd pay more care and attention and whatnot
Hope it holds true
really do
pliant violet
money folks are excited about the announcement can you give it like a day
manic kindle
something fun from the trailer is that it mentions urban redevelopment
not just development
maybe we'll get some silly city sim stuff
pliant violet
oh that'd be cool
gentle escarp
i guess this was the updated x/y everyone wanted way back lol
manic kindle
its fairly different from the standard pokemon experience
vernal rapids
I think its good for the "Legends" series to go from a in-the-past wilderness game to a presumably modern entirely-urban game
just immediately establish that it's not just that one thing
soft isleBOT
Agreed!
vernal rapids
it might not be like modern modern but, the trailer was pretty modern 😅
and it seems to be about an urban redevelopment which will presumably produce the version of the city that's in the video game
manic kindle
Twitter
snow cobalt
ZA????
soft isleBOT
young ferry
