cant wait for the TI team wipe to this
#DOTA 2
stark linden
glossy stratus
Okay but if you have Veno Legion on a team does that mean the enemies can get permanent damage from a deny?
(Or Winter Wyvern)
paper shell
not again
glossy stratus
I think Earthshaker is a terrifying laner now
paper shell
If theres space in next game I'd be interested in playing
viscid tapir
saving this here for future joke purpose
cursive wing
armlet shadowblade dagon terrorblade is back!!!
viscid tapir
cursive wing
uncut ridge
I see that matchmaking isn't much better in this game
that whole game was dreadful
swift sand
I don't really play Dota 2 anymore but man the patch notes are still fun to read.
steel forge
I see that matchmaking isn't much better in this game
Unranked matchmaking isn't incredible, but it also gets confused when you play wit people with a lot more experience than you
uncut ridge
ah
steel forge
It’s figured itself out for me for the most part, though I really should just queue ranked
But for a while my solo queue was entirely ruined by playing only with the stack here
Also I think the new patch is going to push me over the edge into playing bane
Sleepwalker is too cool
Also Im so intrigued by the sk changes
Caustic finale is really bad now which I think is fine, actually
No more do I have to cry as I put skill points into it
light urchin
Techies did not get a cool passive, it's just the minefield sign again, which is really funny
(And an attack range nerf 😔)
But also some Fascinating facets
Like turning attack speed 1:1 into attack range
Or getting the effect of items in your backpack
steel forge
The backpack one is really fascinating
I should play techies so people don’t make fun of me for having an iron branch in my backpack at 40 minutes
delicate jungle
Ok is faceless void 4 actually real or is time zone not good
steel forge
I would honestly just try it and find out
When I get home I am going to play so much bane mid just for sleepwalking someone under tower
I don’t think it’s any good but I will do it
paper shell
Ok is faceless void 4 actually real or is time zone not good
It felt pretty good against us
light urchin
Cool as the changes are I just cannot play bane lmao
as much as I like supports Bane feels too much like they just cannot get anything done on their own
The Lich changes, however, now that's something funky
delicate jungle
It felt pretty good against us
Yeah…
steel forge
The Lich changes, however, now that's something funky
Oh yeah that sure is something they did to him huh
delicate jungle
I’m gonna try it next game
light urchin
Frost Orb persisting for a bit is spooky, and extending your spells when they kill things is neat
On the bright side it looks like that on-death regain is pretty efficient? though I dunno how that pans out after the laning phase
God, what do you even build on him now
Ancient Apparition got all his Slow and DoT tied to a single stacking effect, which is neat
Though, if you hit them with everything and then they get free of Cold Feet it looks like it might all clear off them, so that's something to watch for
olive moon
best team in the world currently playing pos 1 wk with curse facet i feel so vindicated
steel forge
That one does seem very good
delicate jungle
yeah ill eat my words on that one
it just seemed like to me you cant farm well enough without skellingtons but i guess im wrong
but i guess you can farm by killing the other team a bunch lol
AND wk's passive is insane
paper shell
best team in the world currently playing pos 1 wk with curse facet i feel so vin...
it felt so strong out of lane
glossy stratus
When I get home I am going to play so much bane mid just for sleepwalking someon...
Unfortunately I feel like mid bane is the one time you really have to take the other facet, the attack speed seems very important for winning mid
gritty sparrow
Ok is faceless void 4 actually real or is time zone not good
I feel like if you were going to do that you might as well have done it last patch as well. For as many people that benefit from being in a melee with a steroid in time zone there's a number that would also just be better served hitting them from outside chrono
glossy stratus
And you have to win mid if you go mid as Bane
cursive wing
I see that matchmaking isn't much better in this game
new player matchmaking is rater not good. you will probably eventually get settled in a reasonable mmr
the lowest possible mmr is 0 and sometimes people are less skilled than the skill level required to win a game against true 0 mmr players
glossy stratus
I feel like if you were going to do that you might as well have done it last pat...
I'm pretty dubious about a 4 with bad basic abilities for a support and a big teamfight ult that they can just BKB off as well
steel forge
Unfortunately I feel like mid bane is the one time you really have to take the o...
You are right, sadly
But wouldn’t slowly walking under tower and then getting gripped be very funny
The real answer is play 5 bane and do that anyways
glossy stratus
Sleepwalker sounds great, I'm looking forward to sleepwalking enemies up ward HGs
Or allies over cliffs to safety
steel forge
Sleepwalk lets you go up cliffs?
gritty sparrow
Or allies onto cliffs
glossy stratus
Pretty sure it was unobstructed movement
Wonder if you can sleepwalk out of Mars arena
gritty sparrow
Yes and no in that order
glossy stratus
Doesn't prevent the knockback? Darn
viscid tapir
maybe underlooked change:
Glyph no longer refreshes on first t3, but instead on first melee barracks
steel forge
Oh yeah I saw that
I still have no idea what glyph actually does honestly
Like it makes your stuff invincible but
willow topaz
does anyone understand the implications of phase shift going from 0 cast point to 0.01?
is it saying like, if you euls in a chrono you cant phase shift anymore?
or does it fix the interaction with last word where puck can never be hit by it?
or something?
cursive wing
also lc shield is really good
steel forge
It does seem very cool
It’s what, 200 barrier if you do it in a creep wave? Bit less?
I actually don’t know what the number is tied to
glossy stratus
Can you nightmare yourself?
Yep!
Btw, does slow resistance let you walk through Kinetic Field?
And for that matter, can Magnus now walk out of Arena?
glossy stratus
Galvanise seems nuts
:OOO just saw this
Old Bloodstone!
I had been worried for Storm with the Kaya nerf but scratch that
Also Static Slide sounds very silly, and also like it will really mess up my game until I get used to having to point target my remnants
Though I'm not certain if it's good anyway, the vision loss is brutal
gritty sparrow
Storm and Lesh both just seem to rapidly lose their mana concerns after a point now
steel forge
Lesh getting mana back per attack is pretty awesome
glossy stratus
Storm should get a talent that reduces his respawn time based on his Galvanize charges
steel forge
Storm should get a talent that reduces his respawn time based on his Galvanize c...
That would be kinda cool
glossy stratus
(He really shouldn't, Old Bloodstone was Not Okay)
(You could literally instantly respawn, so you could go in, die, Aegis, die, Bloodstone respawn, die, buyback)
steel forge
I see no problems with this
gritty sparrow
I have played a good few matches so far and my main opinion is rubicks aoe facet is fair and balanced and should receive zero changes
Also Kunkka's high tide facet is possibly the biggest Meepo counter in the game now
Kunkka last night hit meepo so hard it stuttered the game for 2 seconds for everyone
And did 5500+ damage
steel forge
Goodness
drifting glen
Hey Guys 👋
light urchin
Christ
light urchin
I have played a good few matches so far and my main opinion is rubicks aoe facet...
And yeah that looked insane
Immensely funny, but insane
paper shell
Hey Guys 👋
if you want to be pinged when we stack up you can get a dota2 role added to you somehow
paper shell
also lc shield is really good
Tom and I used it in our game it felt quite strong
Especially with the IO overcharge shield. Made diving tower very easy in lane
steel forge
LC’s other facet is cool but I feel like it can’t possibly be as good as a barrier
cursive wing
the ability to like perma scale a sniper or something is very neat
olive moon
@karmic grove i think the great kinan rod is wrong on this one but there's your answer
paper shell
oh thank god
glossy stratus
the ability to like perma scale a sniper or something is very neat
It can also buff your towers!
paper shell
I'm sure the chen mains will figure out which one is good, and the answer will be all of them
glossy stratus
The real question is if there's any interaction that lets your couriers get permanent bonus damage
Can you counterspell ally on couriers?
light urchin
I'm still not even sure what Chen does
light urchin
There's a couple heroes I look at and go 'hm yeah they sure are up to something' and then I go back to laughing maniacally as I throw mines everywhere
light urchin
Elder Titan is also in this vein for me
olive moon
I'm sure the chen mains will figure out which one is good, and the answer will b...
falcons took the wolf one
gritty sparrow
The good thing about dota is some heroes are so specific and weird that you never see them and never know how to play against them
It's how we win like half our games when my friend picks Lone Druid
paper shell
I suspect, the chen facet will depend a lot on which heroes you and the enemey team have drafted
and what is effective in the lane you will be in
as well as what scales well into the early-mid for your team
light urchin
I know what Lone Druid does and it is sending the world's beefiest fucking bear to harass me to death
Hate that thing
my farming be so fine and then. the bear
cursive wing
paper shell
#1159983908885106879 message
light urchin
Oh that's incredible
steel forge
Ranged carries are a good case for it
Is it only if they right click the duel target?
Ah thank you internet
I can’t belive it’s not only heroes lmao
…can rosh benefit from duel damage
If one just like
Happens in the pit
light urchin
Making Lone Druid's bear just follow Legion around
viscid tapir
incredibly bad idea:
paper shell
I think you mean incredibly good idea
steel forge
Genius
paper shell
Anyone up for a game 🙂
viscid tapir
I can do one
gritty sparrow
Making Lone Druid's bear just follow Legion around
I thought that the bear might lose duel damage after being resummoned
But it actually keeps it through death
glossy stratus
Do Meepos gain duel damage independently?
light urchin
Wonder if it persists for Visage's buddies...
glossy stratus
Anyone up for a game 🙂
I can in... 5 or so hours? So count me in for game 8 :p
vapid ledge
wait are people just taking their long weekend early?
gritty sparrow
I have a three day weekend
gritty sparrow
Wonder if it persists for Visage's buddies...
No
gritty sparrow
Do Meepos gain duel damage independently?
Yes
For this cause I would say it
"persists"
If they can die and come back with their specific duel damage
The familiars lose their damage upon resummon
Duel damage is only given to any meepo that participates
Doesn't matter if its main meepo or not
olive moon
u all stopped playing just as I finished working :/
viscid tapir
u all stopped playing just as I finished working :/
i'm back now!
karmic grove
I'll be on a bit later
pearl chasm
Can’t tonight
Veno with ward facet is hilarious btw
Played with a lycan that went the spirit wolves one and watching him charge out of the woods like some chimeric beast is incredible
cursive wing
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> need a fifth
paper shell
I just got home so I’d be interested in playing soon if you finish your game
paper shell
I hope that’s not your hand. You’re not allowed to have a physical presence in my mind
steel forge
I had to ask my dad what old bay flavour could possibly mean
America is a decadent empire that will crumble under the weight of savoury vapes and lobster-flavoured goldfish crackers
cursive wing
I hope that’s not your hand. You’re not allowed to have a physical presence in m...
don't worry
paper shell
I don't know this is better
viscid tapir
I just got home so I’d be interested in playing soon if you finish your game
game just finished if you still want in
paper shell
viscid tapir
glossy stratus
https://i.imgur.com/llPtLJ2.mp4
Wait, so what exactly is happening here? SK is getting Planar Pocketed to SB, then continuing the Burrowstrike to the target, repeat?
viscid tapir
planar pocket is now SB's aghs
so now it redirects for the full duration
so SK targets an ally, gets redirected to SB
but there's an ally in the way, so that gets redirected
but there's an ally int he way, so that gets redirected...
works with ignite and earthspike
and probably a lot more
glossy stratus
Excellent
glossy stratus
So can Timber cast Chakram, go through the Twin Gate, and recall the Chakram to get full mana?
cursive wing
So can Timber cast Chakram, go through the Twin Gate, and recall the Chakram to ...
does chakram give mana
manic nimbus
killing trees does
swift sand
But trees are green, so clearly they should give health. Has tango taught us nothing?
glossy stratus
I'm pretty sure when Timber looks at trees he only sees red
swift sand
Oh so that's why he's a strength hero again.
vapid ledge
checks patch notes
oh... omninknight's aura returns
steel forge
https://facets-meta.nyxnyxnyx.com/#ranked___all___total_games___desc
LC stays winning
light urchin
Big Tidehunter is so fucking funny
I'm torn on which of his facets I like better
Because damage block is great, but Big Maaaan
steel forge
Being beeg makes you 30% better at playing dota
delicate jungle
i wanna see the max krill eater + giants ring + BKB + bloodlust tidehunter in an actual game
just a giant fucking kaiju walking towards the enemy base
paper shell
id assume ogre magi is played a lot more as a 5 than as a 4?
he's pretty reasonable as either
The distinction of 4 and 5 is pretty grey in lower ranks
delicate jungle
ok yeah
paper shell
I wouldn't worry to much about trying to distinguish heroes in those two positions from one another
almost any 5 can be a 4
and most 4s a 5
The main distinction is that a lot of 4s are weaker laners as typically pos 3 heroes are pretty strong and don't need their support hanging around as much
where as a lot of safelaners are little babys and need help
so pos 5 heroes are stronger laners
steel forge
That’s a very helpful distinction
paper shell
and to extend on that 5s can do more with less money
So for example an earth shaker is pretty useless without a blink dagger
But an undying can literally just rock brown boots forever and have high impact
steel forge
Yeah
I think treant needs a few more items maybe but Ive felt much the same playing them
paper shell
Rubick is a hero who imo falls into the category of a 4 but not really a great 5
Enigma too
steel forge
That makes sense
gritty sparrow
I tend to also think of it as a 5 has someone they want to protect, a 4 only wishes for violence
paper shell
Yup this is a good comparison too often times
gritty sparrow
But an undying can literally just rock brown boots forever and have high impact
Relatedly I like the new Undying Ripped facet
steel forge
But I always want violence
gritty sparrow
Just give your squishy an extra sange in strength
paper shell
But I always want violence
Thats why you play pos 3
glossy stratus
Power Cogs are not destroyed by Clockwerk's attacks, and are pushed instead up to 1000 distance
Excuse me? Is Clockwerk's laning phase just a bowling minigame now?
steel forge
I do also feel like Ive been successful playing very agressive 5, but maybe that’s just lower ranked games
paper shell
I do also feel like Ive been successful playing very agressive 5, but maybe that...
Oh yeah you for sure can do that
glossy stratus
That works if you have a 1 that's strong in lane
delicate jungle
generally i heard that at least in lane, the 5 wants to protect the 1, while the 4 wants to disrupt the opposing laners (or gank), ovbs theres some stuff that both do like pulling, blocking and warding
steel forge
I see
delicate jungle
However it does depend a lot on the core in the lane
yeah
paper shell
However no core is going to be sad about having a strong laner in lane
glossy stratus
That works if you have a 1 that's strong in lane
(Or they have a weak offlane)
gritty sparrow
The best 4 player I've played with left me at minute 2 and walked around the map murdering people
delicate jungle
yeh
paper shell
But a PL isn't going to be looking to be agressive early
they just want a chill easy time farming with no boat rocking
wheras a jugg might look for some nice early agression with a good stun or slow
Sure a PL will take a free kill if it gets handed to him
but he's not hunting for them in lane
delicate jungle
its "how do i make my 1's laning easier" vs "how do i make thier 1 and 5's lane harder"
generally
delicate jungle
yeh
vapid ledge
hmm... i think i have developed a bad habit of sticking to roaming around and try ganking lanes when basically the first time i'm either asked to or compelled to gank... regardless of the position i play... and end up underleveled and can't contribute much soon after
did anyone ever had a stage in your career that this happened to you and if yes how did you get over it?
paper shell
It depends a lot of the game state
Are you effective in your lane?
What role are you playing
do you think you can actually acomplish anything by going to that lane
vapid ledge
i was mostly holding well as pos3 most commonly but also occasionally 4s and 5s
paper shell
how are you getting there
vapid ledge
oh, it's the questions to ask myself, gotcha
paper shell
Whats the game plan once it goes well
whats the plan when it goes badly
So say you're the 3 having a killer lane
vapid ledge
ah right, it never occured to me to plan for a bad engagement
paper shell
and the pos 1 is calling for ganks
Why hasn't your mid been the one to do it or your 4?
The mids game has been ok but they're not in a position to gank yet for whatever reason
and your 4 is an earthshaker farming out their blink
steel forge
I gank a lot as LC but otherwise I tend to wait for the laning stage to mostly end otherwise as a 3
paper shell
You can A hunt the pos 1 in the jungle while also maybe stealing and farming a bunch yourself
B gank mid to force more pressure off your pos 1 by pulling them mid
C play more agressive in your lane for the same concept
D gank if you think you're able to
Then if you are ganking, are you tping in
if you're doing that
Are they at your tower
or pushed into them
There's a lot there
Then are you taking the lane over from the pos 1 so they can farm the lane you owned safely?
or does the pos 1 think they can stay in the lane now that you got them some kills
if thats the case maybe you farm towards mid
and gank mid now?
now you're snowballing
maybe you just gate back top and hunt the pos1 more
or maybe you just farm more and say yeah my item timing will be super fast and I will be out of control
As a 3 your primary job is to bully the pos 1 out of lane
(usually)
vapid ledge
hmmm... i think part of the problem i have is i mostly play at work where we mostly just have people who finally got used to their one to two heroes, and are playing the game partially diablo-like (aka just farm and go down lane w/o caring about the rest of the map) so if there's any coordinated attack on the opposite side, they'd only realize they're overextended when they got ganked. i think i tried the "just stay in my lane and be a monster" once and had the other two lanes crushed and 1 to 2 v their 3 to 5 down the line and lose. which is probably why i started to just put more attention on the minimap than the lane during laning phase and try to cover the whole map...
i might need to try playing 2 more since in laning phase it's positioned to allow for more roaming opportunities?
paper shell
The purpose of a gank is to create pressure on the map
ideally to either relieve pressure on the map somewhere else
or to relieve the pressure in the same location
at least past the laning stage
often times a gank will end the laning stage entirely
early ganks usually just secure a lane
As the position 3 you likely aren't ganking
until the lane is over
paper shell
Its a complex thing and easily one of the harder parts of the game
olive moon
But an undying can literally just rock brown boots forever and have high impact
i won an immortal average tournament game as 5 undying where i was like 1/18, can confirm you only need a boot and the will to run up hills and die
vapid ledge
like, because this is office in-house, and especially because everyone's new and i'm like basement top 3, my ego is in this super weird position where i THINK i know more but i also don't know enough to change the tide of a game
paper shell
Very possible
vapid ledge
(it's been pointed out that i can just let go and not weigh winning those too highly but it's weirdly hard to let go)
paper shell
Also of course all the things I said only applies if the enemy team is also responding in a way they should to these things
steel forge
I feel like the best advice is probably just solo queue and play more games
paper shell
Sometimes the enemy team just fights forever into a riki and loses horribly because of it
paper shell
(it's been pointed out that i can just let go and not weigh winning those too hi...
winning is fun tbf
vapid ledge
yeah i do keep pulling out what seemed like impossible base defenses when we are on the losing end of the RNG team distribution which is like my drug
paper shell
As far as I know, ganks in dota aren't really like ganks in league
vapid ledge
as in frequency or impact?
paper shell
Yes
vapid ledge
ah
steel forge
How often do they happen in league? And do they matter more or less?
paper shell
I'd only really consider a gank even possible in dota in like the first 10mins of the game
vapid ledge
(tbf i shouldn't talk about league ganks either since i've been aram exclusive since... release of aram as official mode)
paper shell
other wise its just map pressure and map movement
steel forge
I'd only really consider a gank even possible in dota in like the first 10mins o...
As opposed to just like, fighting, you mean?
paper shell
Yeah exactly
I'd consdier a true "gank" to be a hero showing up to a lane during the laning stage when it is unexpected
and like once laning is over. which happens pretty quick, calling it a "gank" is disingenuous to the fact that laning should be over and you likely had bad map awareness or were in a place you shouldn't be
Which is why i'd say both position 1 and 3 will likely do very little ganking
vapid ledge
and the latter does happen, constantly, in the games i described... i either don't have slots for wards or wards were already cornered by someone trying to be helpful but plants them in locations that don't see much
paper shell
A lot of this comes down to the complexity of dota's mid game
which almost everyone struggles with early righ
"I don't know what to do" is a very typical problem new players have post 15mins
vapid ledge
yeah...
paper shell
Think of what objective makes the most sense next
and try to take it if you're strong
and if you're weak what do you need to feel strong?
Good wards setup for an objective or defend an objective
Sometimes that objective is "Let the POS 1 farm safely"
Alot of this mental stuff in pro games
falls on the captain whom is very often the position 5
due to the complexity and mental power it takes to farm effectivly and safely etc
So don't feel bad if you're struggling with it now
You have made me want to play more dota
This kind of stuff is the stuff I like the most
(and I think I'm pretty good at)
vapid ledge
yeah and this is the part i usually don't put thoughts into
since what drew me to dota are fights so i take up 3s to fight
can't fight effectively when lanes die, alas
olive moon
it's kinda always ok to tp to good fights regardless of your role
paper shell
Of course
steel forge
Makes sense
paper shell
That's very important
if they're diving your pos 1
and you can do something
go there
olive moon
you just cant walk off and stand in front of the enemy tower for 90s waiting for something to happen
paper shell
You can in a sense
but you have to be ready for that something to happen
because thats the point of standing there for 90s
bring people to you because you're annoying
vapid ledge
ok part of the original problem i described, thinking back, was i wasn't efficient at moving myself from lane to lane... oftentimes i just go through jungle while others are farming... need to remind myself of that
paper shell
If you don't need to get somewhere fast then yeah farming a camp on the way helps
maybe you do need to get to another lane fast
because a creepwave will die to tower if you don't
lane creeps are better than jungle creeps
especially if they're safe
I'm bad at farming patterns though so I can't help a lot with that
a lot of my persepctive is from a support lense
vapid ledge
nodnod
paper shell
As a 3 it is your job to show up to stuff
Is everyone having a bad game
guess who's job it is to have the worst game
probably you as the pos 3
vapid ledge
yeah my woes ended up being "i'm fine with dying, but i draw a line at showing up, dying, and didn't make a difference". which honestly is as much a skill/strategy thing as an ego thing
paper shell
Knowing when to show up and when not to is a skill
sometimes not showing up and pushing a different objective is better than taking the bad fight
vapid ledge
nodnod, that part i need to develop for sure
paper shell
because you're more valuable to try to stop than whatever nonsense they're trying to do
Only way to learn that is by feel
and experience
hidden hazel
There are so many optimizations you can do once you get an eye for it which I think is the most rewarding part of dota
paper shell
because you're more valuable to try to stop than whatever nonsense they're tryin...
A dragon knight ulted hitting a t2 is more important than getting a t1 or something or whatever kill they were tring to find on your pos1 or something
Though sometimes you can't stop the dk hitting your tower so you go for the kill on the pos 1 anyways because its something
hidden hazel
I felt a like super genius once when before I TP'd to defend a tower across the map, I nuked the enemy range creep before I left which caused our lane creeps to snowball into taking a tower several minutes later
Trying to be as annoying as possible to the enemy team for the least effort & risk
gritty sparrow
I think the funniest part of that is that you feel like a genius and then you listen to a pro talk and they mention a play they did because they noticed some random miniscule detail and assume "Oh yeah everyone remembers how long it takes the trees to respawn and plan to run behind one right as it is coming back up"
vapid ledge
thinking about it... i need to one day prank the office by playing wukong the courier sniper
surely this will help with my issue i've been having with my ego lmao
(actually hard to pull off since most of the time the lobby is set to turbo)
delicate jungle
Didn’t they give a hero a parry?
vapid ledge
oh they did?
paper shell
I have learnt that until a patch yesterday meepo neutral item slot could be a Midas
delicate jungle
idk, i heard "they gave [hero i dont remember] a parry" in vc
vapid ledge
man, me being the basement top 3 time put into the game means sometimes i just pick underlord and people don't have solutions to me...
viscid tapir
just realized this for tokens
beast, sure, he's a satyr
blade, yeah, he backstabs
intelligence???
vapid ledge
is he not a spy?'
viscid tapir
he is a middle child
that is the lore reason for his invisibility
I think he might have the second lowest INT in the game, right behind Troll
Troll is 13+1.0/lvl
Riki is 14+1.3/lvl
willow topaz
riki attacks people from behijnd, unlike the other assassins, demonstrating his intelligence
when you attack from the front it's scary
much safer this way
hidden hazel
Well intelligence also means like intelligence agencies & spy stuff
willow topaz
oh that's a much better answer
hidden hazel
cloak and dagger is a term tied with that too, tricks of the trade etc etc
viscid tapir
🍌
reef parcel
light urchin
ANOTHER HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON
glossy stratus
Huh, from the name I'd have guessed Aether Lens + Hammer, but it doesn't have cast range
Looks like Kaya-based from the stats
(Also, wow, that's a lot of stats)
delicate jungle
``ANOTHER HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON``
lmao
paper shell
Aether hammer o think has been in for awhile
delicate jungle
but, yeah these are old items that are still in the menu
paper shell
I think lunar crest is newer
glossy stratus
Discount Dagon seems probably pretty good, depending on the price
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth
reef parcel
I wish for someone hungry
... for dota
alright guess we're 4 stacking c'est la vie
v'est la cie
delicate jungle
i should be able to get game 2
uncut ridge
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth
I could join I guess
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> looking for a fifth
STILL?
viscid tapir
not now
karmic grove
Their dad owns valve 
vapid ledge
inb4 it's gabe
glossy stratus
Not until later for me
delicate jungle
ok
olive moon
lc very broken
viscid tapir
an interesting LC interaction I've labbed out:
Stonehall plate is really good. It's a lot of all-damage-barrier.
It is 100% wiped out by Nullifier.
However, Legion can get the debuff immunity talent for Press the Attack, which stops the nullifier slightly. She can extend this with her aghs scepter duel.
unrelated and started before you Alan I swear
gritty sparrow
The barrier numbers are a bit high right now
glossy stratus
Even if it's dispellable that's a what, 5k item you need to purchase to counter something LC gets for free?
karmic grove
Yeah, or pick a hero with a dispel
glossy stratus
In which case she turns into "7.35 LC with a better aghs"
Oh, and who starts with her passive
manic nimbus
yeah lc seems kinda cracked atm
steel forge
Starting with a better scaling moment is nuts
paper shell
I found out I had the immortal dress
glossy stratus
@olive moon are you here?
gritty sparrow
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> looking for one more
glossy stratus
@steel forge we might actually have a five stack!
paper shell
light urchin
they....
viscid tapir
paper shell
Guess the hero
swift sand
Vengeful spirit
paper shell
This is correct
vapid ledge
also are y'all still playing?
paper shell
Its 3 am for me
swift sand
I know my passives
paper shell
so this was my last one
vapid ledge
makes sense
paper shell
This build was so much fun
swift sand
The other alternative would have been a very inefficient Lion build, so I'm glad it wasn't that
paper shell
Would be quite funny
viscid tapir
i think this is a great lion build if you swap the battlefury for a blink
vapid ledge
does lion have many reason to be in close range of enemies and or double attacking?
paper shell
I think a 15 min battle fury on venge is pretty good
manic nimbus
paper shell
but a 8 min blink for legion is insane
paper shell
LADs LADs LADs LADs LADs
swift sand
I think a 15 min battle fury on venge is pretty good
sentences that would have people recoil in horror up until last week
manic nimbus
there was a time where people seemed to buy bf on windrunner for the stats
I think it was stupid and bad tho
swift sand
Oh god that was a while ago
The days of yore when bf was purchased by a few heroes as a stat stick.
I'm curious how mana burn Nyx will shake out. Dagon still feels like the obvious item for them, but Meteor Hammer could be potentially fun if you can somehow manage the set up.
Ofc the dream would be something like overwhelming blink, ethereal blade, dagon, and if it somehow works Khanda. However, I don't believe Nyx will ever have the farm for that nor the slots.
Oh wait, does Shiva'a work? That might be fun (if Nyx ever gets that much farm ;p).
manic nimbus
a long time ago yea
swift sand
Oh I meant with the new facet, since Shiva's is an item that baseline deals more than 100 damage.
glossy stratus
Nyx 4 actually gets decent farm now with Mind Flare instakilling creeps
manic nimbus
I found the strat
Mars and his allied heroes within 2000 radius gain increased Health Regen when they are outnumbered by the enemy in the same area. Each extra enemy hero provides 25% bonus Health Regen
warlock mars tag team 2v5
manic nimbus
feeling terrible urge to play jaik mid and rush mael
karmic grove
Rightclick jakiro does look like it might have some potential with the new double attack and liquid frost
Could maybe pair it up with a bloodthorn, too
manic nimbus
I was thinking about that too but it seems greedy
like you need other items to wokr
karmic grove
Yeah, it's a pretty hefty item. Diffusal blade could have potential, too
manic nimbus
though I guess mjolnir does give IAS which you really want
light urchin
does lion have many reason to be in close range of enemies and or double attacki...
well, if you direct your attention towards one of Lion's new facets...
steel forge
Undying is a cool hero
I don't have anything else to say they're just fun
melee support in a lane with a melee carry continues to not be excellent but
paper shell
Decay is so good though so it’s for sure a melee support who can do a lot
steel forge
oh yeah decay is just a very good spell
honestly all of undying's spells are just quite good
paper shell
He really doesn’t have a bad button
steel forge
not really no
delicate jungle
melee support in a lane with a melee carry continues to not be excellent but
Is undying really a melee outside of his ult? It feels like most of what he does is sit back and throw out decay
paper shell
Is undying really a melee outside of his ult? It feels like most of what he does...
Because decay steals strength, you actually hit quite hard too
delicate jungle
I see
paper shell
You usually want to kind of weave both together if you can.
If you’ve hit 2 2 man decays you can probably trade pretty well
delicate jungle
When I played ogre that one game he didn’t feel that tanky? I guess you end up more tanky if you’re a core or if you build into it
steel forge
Is undying really a melee outside of his ult? It feels like most of what he does...
I more mean having to deny as a melee support
delicate jungle
Yeah
karmic grove
He really doesn’t have a bad button
Tombstone on griefing mode used on an ally at a critical moment 😏
glossy stratus
When I played ogre that one game he didn’t feel that tanky? I guess you end up m...
I'm pretty sure he's the tankiest hero in the game without items
delicate jungle
I see
glossy stratus
Not quite the highest hp but he also has 6.3 armor which is 35% more EHP
delicate jungle
Ok
What the hell does armor do
Like, how exactly does it reduce physical damage
glossy stratus
Every point of armor gives 6% EHP vs physical damage
delicate jungle
I see
glossy stratus
So with 16.6 armor you take half damage, with 33.3 you take one third, etc.
delicate jungle
Ok
glossy stratus
(It works slightly differently at large negative armor values but that's very rarely relevant)
gritty sparrow
The juggernaut bladeform thing is very good
Solve the problem of people reacting to your omnislash by simply having 30% extra agility and omnislashing at max attack speed
glossy stratus
I'm just so glad about the hard dispel on spin
The magic immunity change made it such a painfully bad ability
gritty sparrow
I hadn't done the crit on spin yet but that's because I liked the freedom bladeform gives you to buy a blink and have it be worth it
glossy stratus
Crit on spin is very solid but also I love the idea of Agi Blink + Bladeform
paper shell
Tombstone on griefing mode used on an ally at a critical moment 😏
Oh yeah he somehow also has the literal worst button in the game at the same time
stark linden
<@&877973728997294120> looking for fifth
steel forge
I could dote
reef parcel
hell yeah
delicate jungle
ye
stark linden
five it is :3
glossy stratus
Poke me if y'all need another fifth
viscid tapir
the Dragon Knight changes feel so good
yes, you lose out on having all the dragon aspects, but you can pick and choose and having something like frost dragon early is great
also the anti-healing on frost form
still haven't tried fire form, but that's on my list
I've felt needing the shard more to farm waves
karmic grove
I almost wonder if fire form could work in the safelane because of the farm acceleration you can get out of the cleave
glossy stratus
Pretty sure people have been running it as off-brand Sven, it's pretty solid
manic nimbus
I tried maelstrom jaik mid
it definitely farms well
I think the issue was that I couldn't get the big steroids later like satanic and have them work
so possibly next time just go gleip into more casty/tanky items or even go full mjol first
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> 1 or 2 more games?
glossy stratus
I might be available in an hour or so for an evening Dote
delicate jungle
we may not be getting any more ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vapid ledge
ROFL
listening to a chinese video game podcast
covering new patch
man chen's facet is kinda like giving him a pokemon on game start, he used to need to catch one, now prof oak just shows up in strategy time and go 'pick one'
this is fucking dota 5 at this point
glossy stratus
Tragic news: The attacks from Io's 25 talent do not proc Marci's Bodyguard attacks
(Bodyguard also has a .45s internal cooldown, so it wouldn't be instant death anyway)
glossy stratus
> man chen's facet is kinda like giving him a pokemon on game start, he used to ...
They're not wrong
gritty sparrow
I don't think it's good but I love Dark Seers new attack speed facet
That plus his passive means like, I buy a heart and it gives me like 40 int and attack speed too
glossy stratus
I feel like it has to be decent, even if you don't build around it you just have a bunch of free attack speed
Good for farming, and he likes to punch a fair amount in fights as well
gritty sparrow
It's a lot of value but the other one is better suited to what your actual play style is going to be
The best part of it is that normal punch comes out a lot faster
So I can basically true combo someone with blink, normal punch and vacuum
glossy stratus
Yeah, the other one seems like just a lot of value
gritty sparrow
I do like punching people to death though
manic nimbus
the IAS thing on darkseer is cool but I think like
I wouldn't let it influence building too far
I think a lot of items you actually want most don't benefit from it which is awkaward
gritty sparrow
It mostly turns me from building aura bot to being a very tanky very smart dude
Does feel good to be not a squishy little idiot as dark seer
But aura bot would definitely be better for my team than me having fun beating a Witch doctor to death
manic nimbus
yeah I have just had a few games where the team needs auras but the darkseer buys random stuff
already
and like idk new patch people having fun
but I'm not quite sold on it actually being good
gritty sparrow
Oh other downside
Having so much int turns me into a nuclear bomb for antimage
He mana voided me last game and hit my teammate for 1729 damage
manic nimbus
loool
gritty sparrow
Having so much int turns me into a nuclear bomb for antimage
Related to the same passive, silencer can't steal int from you because your int can't go below your other stats
glossy stratus
Does Silencer gain the int still?
gritty sparrow
Does Silencer gain the int still?
Unsure actually, will test when I get home
Oh I love dota testing
So much dota testing recently
steel forge
The best part of it is that normal punch comes out a lot faster
I think this is actually the best part of it, given that the other facet is like
a liability
it also makes last hitting not the single worst thing in the world
swift sand
Related to the same passive, silencer can't steal int from you because your int ...
Silencer being nice and not stealing from the poor
steel forge
which is cool
I have also concluded that I think scepter then greaves, rather that the other way around, is actually 100% worth it
swift sand
Heart of the battle seems rough to use.
steel forge
normal punch does like, 450 damage or something, and if you get an early agh's that is a shit ton
steel forge
Heart of the battle seems rough to use.
yeah it's really weird
I think you really just need to spam surge to move around, which you kinda do anyhow
but the benefit... really doesn't seem that good
swift sand
Yeah Idk it just seems wildly inconsistent.
Then again, if 1 hero is within the radius that negates the issue and if you're building for a tanky aura-carrier that could be a relevant niche to fill.
glossy stratus
Mostly it means you can put Surge on someone else in a teamfight and still be hasted yourself, I think
gritty sparrow
I get mana boots into scepter into blink
At least with the attack speed one
Then I can true combo squishy people to death
The negative from the base movement speed nerf is negated for most of the game aside from when you are by yourself farming. Part of it is that you can surge to get close enough, blink in, then not be just sitting there motionless after you've blown your load
Plus it does minorly buff your surge on yourself. Surge isn't a movement buff, it's a haste. And your max movement speed is 600 with the speed facet
steel forge
yeah, both the facets feel like nice little value things, and I really like normal punch being quick and actually having an attack speed to last hit with
I also think I just played against my first real tinker player
It is good that antimage beat him to death in every fight because damn
steel forge
I'm attaining levels of rockin never thought possible
narrow wadi
anyone down to give me a trial by fire for my first <@&877973728997294120> game?
viscid tapir
if it's your actual real first dota 2 game, I recommend going to a bot game to figure out controls
I'm pretty sure neutral item isn't bound by default, so you should adjust that
narrow wadi
im going through the turtorial and its the last one in the first page
paper shell
Tragic news: The attacks from Io's 25 talent do not proc Marci's Bodyguard attac...
Tragedy
steel forge
I am loving new sand king very very much
You may be always visibly, but, you were anyways, and in return you get stinger
Between the sandstorm actually following you at a reasonable pace and stinger you can just farm so fast
at like level ~12 and on you can oneshot waves by hitting stinger in the right place
and it slows? its so sweet
I think I'm building my items wrong though, but I'm not 100% sure what to fix
viscid tapir
rapier
swift sand
Two rapiers
steel forge
but past that I'm kinda lost
steel forge
Two rapiers
true
swift sand
Worst case you can always check what the pros are building.
steel forge
I actually don't know where I'd look for that
gritty sparrow
Does Silencer gain the int still?
I have an answer now! It's weird!
Basically I was just told that silencer couldn't steal my int, which, ya know, makes sense, since there is already a character that he can't do it to. But with Dark Seer it is different
When his int isn't the same as the minimum he can have, such as, if he suddenly gains 110 strength and only has 100 int, his stats will adjust. This is true for if he has stat loss apparently. Silencer still steals the int, but Dark Seer just gains it back. Silencer still even gains permanent int on kill but Dark Seer respawns with the same int.
Perhaps the weirdest part, there is a limit. At a certain point it stopped updating and actually began to get lower, and that was true regardless of the items Dark Seer had. So to answer this, silencer will still gain int, but to lower it he'll have to burn through about 115 int to hurt dark seer
light urchin
huh.
cursive wing
I have an answer now! It's weird!
Basically I was just told that silencer couldn...
My guess about this is silencer steals base int but dark seer just gets bonus int equal to the missing base int as long as int wasn't his highest attribute
steel forge
https://dota2protracker.com/hero/Sand%20King
people build eul's way more than I expect
basically that is the items I get though
steel forge
I really love bloodstone on sk, wow
just get your entire health back from an epi onto their team
he has sustain now!
glossy stratus
Bloodstone is phenomenal, IIRC it applies to each spike in aghs Sandstorm
Eul's is just very good
glossy stratus
I have an answer now! It's weird!
Basically I was just told that silencer couldn...
Bizarre
gritty sparrow
*Bizarre*
More funny things is I thought "maybe if I steal all the int permanently this will change" which it did! But the max I could steal was 98, and that changed the temp I could steal not to 17 like I thought but to like, 60 or something
Very strange, never in any realistic scenario is this useful information in the slightest, but funny to experiment with
paper shell
Played around with the witchdoctor damage for voodoo restoration facet in a bot game. I could see this build being really strong as a 3 specifcially with io
glossy stratus
Doesn't it remove the healing? I'm struggling to see how a 60 DPS aura could be worthwhile
paper shell
Its kinda one of those things where you are still witchdoctor and have maledict cask and ult
the io amps the damage and provideds the mana sustain
the aoe gets huge
I was farming with it pretty fast too in the bot game
idk how good it actually would be
but radiance burn damage that early into a game isn't bad
I could see some build like kaya sange into blood stone or something
Plus you have the gris gris for a little boost in money
reef parcel
<@&877973728997294120> hey guys looking for a fifth, though fair warning we have been warned an electrician is on his way to till's place at any point today and MAY take out his house's power for a while. not sure if that'll happen or when that'll happen but it means we risk throwing a game
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> hey guys looking for a fifth, though fair warning we have...
hell yea
karmic grove
I'd be down to watch
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> need more
paper shell
ok
viscid tapir
@olive moon part has dissipated a bit if you wanted to join
and of course anyone else
I am being told @cursive wing should be poked, by others in the voice
I am a humble courier
paper shell
@jaunty juniper
karmic grove
@jaunty juniper
paper shell
gritty sparrow
Force Staff and similar abilities can no longer be used on Leashed targets (Slark Pounce, Puck Dream Coil, Time Zone, etc.)
NO
Slark you fish fuck
smoky herald
paper shell
Tinker buffs
viscid tapir
dota_new_player false
viscid tapir
@manic nimbus power issue?
cursive wing
what does this man resemble?
glossy stratus
Oops, apparently I've now purchased JanJou (the courier) from the Candyworks twice
manic nimbus
hmm
steel forge
https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.36a
Sk’s sandstorm in dust devil isn’t deactivated when he leaves? That’s so cool
…does that work if he teleports away? Is there just a sandstorm following him across the map?
steel forge
Yeah not having to worry about it at least must be great
Just one thing off the mental stack
Though it reappearing at the burrowstrike location is legitimately incredible
Such a powerful buff to him, it’s enabled a lot of kills mid for me
glossy stratus
It makes you so much more mobile in fights
I want to get an aghs and go through the gate to randomly stun someone in mid lane
Also Bloodstone is even better on nuSK, it makes Stinger's AoE just silly
light urchin
New Lich is... iiiinteresting
I'm not sure how to feel about it
In part because I don't know how to build the bugger now
keen patrol
New lich is interesting. Max mana is very strong with him, and mana boots smooth out the early game
I don't know if they are best, but they help with the early mana issues
light urchin
It would be nice if the useless mana regen was turned into a different stat of some kind
keen patrol
It'd be too good, but I know what you mean
Any item with mana regen feels worse cause it does nothing
light urchin
Yeah
His lane/teamfight sustain is real good later but it gets tight early
(especially if your 1 is a Coward, I say as I shake my fist at that broodmother)
keen patrol
I think you want to be a 4? I don't know how much it matters, but you kinda want to fight a bit
light urchin
Nah yeah you need to be within vicinity of the wave to be relevant
No more pokes only brawls
Which makes him feel a lot more tense
Big fan of the spell-extender facet though, makes waveclear a dream
And frost ball actually usable if there's creeps around
keen patrol
Yeah. I like that one more, but I think both facets are good
light urchin
I'm leaning towards the extendo being the better one but a more persistent lich ult is nothing to scoff at yeah
gritty sparrow
Literally taking damage
delicate jungle
Patch?
glossy stratus
New lich is interesting. Max mana is very strong with him, and mana boots smooth...
He really misses the old recipe for mana boots
keen patrol
Yeah, probably. That had no mana regen, right?
glossy stratus
Yeah, probably. That had no mana regen, right?
Yep, just max mana and the active IIRC
manic nimbus
Same with lion got buffed apparently
delicate jungle
I am so surprised that techies being able to benefit from FOUR neutral items at once is intended behavior.
viscid tapir
a new item for the jakiro consideration
delicate jungle
I am so surprised that techies being able to benefit from FOUR neutral items at ...
Aren’t they the strongest hero in the game rn because of spoons stash?
manic nimbus
a new item for the jakiro consideration
Interesting
What's the damage on it again?
And well I have not seen techies in the few pro games I have seen
viscid tapir
brooch itself is +70
manic nimbus
But pro dota is almost a different game
manic nimbus
Hmm that's decent but I'm not sure it's enough to buy unless they have eth sources
viscid tapir
yeah, we're up against pugna and timber this game
so it's pretty nice
also this game: nyx's scuttle is so fun for getting around high ground
manic nimbus
I honestly am thinking about a more hoodwink style of jaik
You get gleip then just caster items
As a 4
light urchin
Aren’t they the strongest hero in the game rn because of spoons stash?
I'm not sure honestly
Like as somebody who plays techies a lot this seems like a really interesting and good change for them, but gamebreaking? ehh?
light urchin
Techies generally do not read to me as the kind of hero you could break the game With
light urchin
That got nerfed!!!
light urchin
The attack range got chopped in favor of the attack speed to range facet
paper shell
I meant the still have great general attack range right
light urchin
It's like 560 now or something, which is solid yeah
Now, Techies with five tier 3-4 neutral items is in fact very very funny
but I don't see it rocketing them to being godlike, in part due to the way neutrals are and in part due to how Techies's 'break potential' is just via giving them raw Universal stats
gritty sparrow
550
paper shell
Still more than most heroes yeah
glossy stratus
Aren’t they the strongest hero in the game rn because of spoons stash?
Very much not? They've got a below-average winrate and are pretty far down the list of most picked heroes?
In both pro and pubs
delicate jungle
Huh
paper shell
They're in shambles when people have bkbs
delicate jungle
Well i guess i was wrong in that
delicate jungle
It’s just seems to me that spoons stash is really strong
glossy stratus
It's definitely a fun facet
paper shell
and it did FEEL strong
gritty sparrow
The stash is the best one
glossy stratus
And yeah free item slots are very solid
gritty sparrow
Just because it's good no matter what you do
gritty sparrow
Playing support and not having to give up a slot for wards or dust is amazing
paper shell
Just being able to have a philo stone in your backpack is awesome too
or like not having to micro for a clarity
glossy stratus
Worst case scenario you put three branches in there and get a cool 6.3 damage for the whole laning stage
viscid tapir
alright it's slow, but nyx aghs with meteor hammer kind of works to just force high ground
paper shell
I had circlets until I upgraded them to 2 nulls and a bracer in my game
viscid tapir
alright it's slow, but nyx aghs with meteor hammer kind of works to just force h...
burrow +500 cast range means you can siege from outside of tower, 40% DR and 1% hp/mana regen means you can sustain a ton
glossy stratus
(Realistically I do think you want something like 7 branches in your starting inventory, even if you sell them after a bit)
paper shell
burrow +500 cast range means you can siege from outside of tower, 40% DR and 1% ...
This seems cool
paper shell
(Realistically I *do* think you want something like 7 branches in your starting ...
I think the circlets are worth it to convert to nulls
since techies likes mana regen so much
glossy stratus
Absolutely, I'd just swap the branches out over time as I can afford them
viscid tapir
also, Scuttle means you can just charge right up the high ground to find an important target, or run directly away from the enemies if you're actually in danger
glossy stratus
burrow +500 cast range means you can siege from outside of tower, 40% DR and 1% ...
It's super obnoxious with the mana burn talent
viscid tapir
and 600 AoE on Mind Flare is huge
yeah, the mana burn talent would also probably work
glossy stratus
Both of the facets seem phenomenal on Nyx
glossy stratus
I'll probably lean towards mana burn because I like to make my enemies sad, but Scuttle's just good
viscid tapir
also Nyxth sense means supports can't glimmer cape to run away
paper shell
Actually seems like a great passive
glossy stratus
Yeah, I really like that one
paper shell
Im actually suprised it wasn't in sooner than this update
seems like a no brainer on some hero
glossy stratus
Might have been a bit hard to fit in, usually detection is tied to another ability
Sticking a 400 AoE passive on a random ability would've been awkward
And they seem to be willing to have innates be less impactful than old built-ins like Mischief
stark linden
Open Qualifiers starting June 3rd
time to assemble the pilotnet team
karmic grove
lol
viscid tapir
qualifications: can you show up at the qualifier time? you're in
we'll get eliminated in 25 minutes and make exactly 1 good play
and then we'll go play pubs
paper shell
certified still toxic D:
glossy stratus
45 toxicity units, smh
karmic grove
certified still toxic D:
Reported. Reason: Io unlinked with me for 5 seconds 😠
paper shell
my viper bot stole my divine
dropped it on ground when i bought it cause my inventory was full
and it just yoinked it from me
glossy stratus
Didn't want you littering
delicate jungle
lmao
olive moon
<@&877973728997294120> any gmaers?
vapid ledge
i'm down
light urchin
I could do one in a bit
olive moon
I'll start a call in 5
olive moon
medusa's solution to "my friends dont have ranked unlocked"
karmic grove
Average medusa player
steel forge
medusa's solution to "my friends dont have ranked unlocked"
Phenomenal lmao
paper shell
Were they upset by large skill variance?
vapid ledge
there was a noticable amount of skill variance, yeah
light urchin
aaaaa was carrying us, yes lmao
paper shell
It happens sometimes
Sometimes we end up on the other side of this same problem and get stomped by people way better than us
gritty sparrow
I haven't had the opportunity but a funny thing can occur, where on Rubick I can stack my aoe bonuses enough to solve the issue of Freezing Field having random damage occurance within its radius
Simply have the explosions so large you are hit by them every time
glossy stratus
Lmao
Wonder if you can do the same thing with Sandstorm
Make it a permastun
Torrent Storm as well
glossy stratus
It's ridiculous, I need to play more 2/3 SK
steel forge
Mid sk feels so good
I haven’t tried 3 much but getting clicked by two people feels a little sad
glossy stratus
I might even try 1 SK at some point, Stinger makes him scale so much better
steel forge
Im not sure about that, I think you kinda want the early advantage mid gives
But yeah stinger is great, as are the epi buffs
glossy stratus
He feels very solid 3, you can actually trade very well if you max Stinger, and pose a lot of kill threat on their 1
glossy stratus
Mid seems very good in a melee matchup but I think he loses a lot of matchups
Whereas he probably wins most sidelanes now
steel forge
I think qop is super sad for him, as is like, morphling proabbly? The really mobile mids feel quite bad with him
glossy stratus
I'd be happy on almost any ranged mid vs him
steel forge
Yeah Im trying to think of a not very mobile ranged mid lol
steel forge
Maybe Ive just never seen a good necro not in the stack
glossy stratus
I think he wants a lane partner so he can just spam Stinger and threaten a kill with double stun plus nukes any time they walk up to lane
glossy stratus
Maybe Ive just never seen a good necro not in the stack
Necro should be able to ghost shroud Stinger and spam him out with Death Pulse
steel forge
I think you can pretty effectively threaten an early kill mid, but I also play in an mmr bracket of no, so
He is also a lot sadder mid from wanting bottle and just not being able to secure runes very easily
glossy stratus
Only if they misplay, IMO
He's like a Storm but with less chase down ability in terms of lane presence
steel forge
I reiterate the mmr of no part a little
glossy stratus
Fair lol
And tbf people misplay mid all the time even with the more experienced stack here
Heck, they misplay pretty frequently in pro games, if you watch mid
glossy stratus
I haven’t tried 3 much but getting clicked by two people feels a little sad
This shouldn't happen if your 4 is doing their job btw
(And once they leave you should be able to clear the wave with Stinger + Burrowstrike I think)
I really like maxing Stinger, it's so spammable
steel forge
Ngl I feel like no matter how good my 4 is I get clicked in lane a lot anyhow
Idk maybe I just stand too far forward
olive moon
It happens sometimes
ill have u know i always carry and when we lose its all my teams fault
glossy stratus
Idk maybe I just stand too far forward
A lot of that is just getting practiced with creep manipulation, if you're pulling creep aggro they can't easily click you without getting swarmed by creeps
steel forge
I am pretty good at that mid, but for whatever reason whenever Im in a real lane I find it very inconsistent
I am not entirely clear on the mechanics that govern it lol
glossy stratus
You'll have to look up a guide or ask someone else for that, I'm afraid
I know how to do it and get how it works but have zero idea of the actual mechanics
paper shell
Hope you’re not losing while playing with him
gritty sparrow
Literally have never played a game with him where he wasn't toxic as shit
Today I can say exactly the same thing
light urchin
Who is Slacks
vapid ledge
content creator/brand ambassador?
paper shell
I was hoping the behaviour score problems he had would have helped him
But it seems as though it hasn’t
vapid ledge
wait by that you mean it's genuinely not a good time playing with him?
paper shell
Also sly what rank are you that you’re queueing into slacks?
paper shell
wait by that you mean it's genuinely not a good time playing with him?
Yeah he’s super toxic
If you’re losing and he thinks it’s remotely your fault you WILL hear about it
And he will not be nice
vapid ledge
damn
paper shell
In a game where you’re winning, he can be funny
But if you’re losing it’s pretty terrible
gritty sparrow
Also sly what rank are you that you’re queueing into slacks?
My actual ranked rank is only legend but if I solo queue I normally get divine lobbies
gritty sparrow
wait by that you mean it's genuinely not a good time playing with him?
No I've played with him probably like 10 times now and he's been toxic literally every single time
vapid ledge
damn
gritty sparrow
But if you’re losing it’s pretty terrible
POV: You are slacks and you just spammed your own voice line to be annoying
gritty sparrow
Unfortunately yes
paper shell
Sorry to hear it
gritty sparrow
They couldn't deal with golem spam and our storm was giant
paper shell
Golem spam is quite good
gritty sparrow
The pudge was p1, who I thought picked pudge p1 to eat me for the golem regen
But he never bought shard
So idk
paper shell
lmao
delicate jungle
<@&877973728997294120> would anyone like to Defend Some Ancients?
glossy stratus
Probably no Dotes for me tonight
delicate jungle
ok
viscid tapir
screenshot of what the oracle prognostication looks like
vapid ledge
huh, that's more detailed than i expected
viscid tapir
also time to remind everyone that the steam overlay lets you pin a timer
paper shell
screenshot of what the oracle prognostication looks like
Why were you saying it too?
viscid tapir
just to see what it did
my friend never pinged it, and I only remembered 38 minutes in to the game
paper shell
Ah ok I understand
viscid tapir
I wonder if you can ping it with low behvaior score
gritty sparrow
I have now done Dagon first item spectre