dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[mint yew]

pumping my force staff like a shotgun to quell perils

[hushed glade]

Aren't they both?

Like mutants

[fierce marten]

Mutants are maniac

Bosses and Ogyrns tend to be Unyielding with exceptions like crusher is Carapace and reaper's armored part is flak on torso and Carapace on the rest of the armor but otherwise unyielding.

[mint yew]

oh yeah, is Cloud Radius still the go-to dump stat on inferno staff?

[fierce marten]

It's probably warp resistance

Psyker should be setup to be able to clear warp fast enough for it to not matter

[mint yew]

fair, I have noticed that the glass cannon talent that negates peril buildup basically makes perils a non-factor

Penetrating Flame is new, or else I didn't notice it before

Penetrating Flame/Terrifying Barrage?

[marsh gyro]

Penetrating Flame / Blaze Away is my play

[mint yew]

that works?

does it stack when you gain 10% peril?

[hushed glade]

Also

I do like the new Moonlight Greatsword for Psyker

I have no idea how the mechanic fully works though

I assume it's "more kills equal bigger slash"

[frank igloo]

Kill stuff then you can do sword beam

Bigger stuff fills up the bar faster

[mint yew]

which one's that, the Blaze Sword?

[hushed glade]

Blaze Greatsword

[mint yew]

looks cool as hell, and has guaranteed crit to fuel my dodge/toughness regen, but my current one is 280 power

so I'll have to grind it up to get a decent one

[fierce marten]

Ironically it often reduces warp too much that you sink to low peril at times which is not good for psyker. Also toughness penalties are rough since psyker is alright the glassiest cannon

[sacred pagoda]

I wanted to ask how you guys feel the Arbitrator is balanced against the other classes. I’ve found it incredibly powerful, but it doesn’t feel like a lot of other Arbitrator players are as effective. I’m not sure what’s up.

[mint yew]

yeah, I had a reassess on my build just now and swapped that and some other stuff out for the various on-crit benefits, because inferno staff absolutely mainlines crits and dodge + toughness on crit will help a lot

[fierce marten]

It's strong, incredibly user friendly, new players, so yes it's good but being used subpar

[hushed glade]

It's because Arbitor doesn't really have good support

[sacred pagoda]

Hmm.

[hushed glade]

it's all Selfish Damage for the most part

[fierce marten]

All the killing/cc in the world doesn't matter if you're just using it say on a random mixed horde

Arbiter has quite good support options

[mint yew]

Arbie does feel incredibly user-friendly compared to the other classes, I got the DLC earlier today and was happily hacking through Damnation at level 9

[fierce marten]

Nuncio is a strong support option

[sacred pagoda]

I don’t use that, I like the charge.

[fierce marten]

And also a node to provide team TDR with doggo

[sacred pagoda]

I tried out the Castigator Stance, but I didn’t really get it.

[mint yew]

admittedly I have more practice with this game than most, but the dog murdering stuff for free is so good, and giving it up gives you something like seven or eight talent-sized buffs at once just for putting you on the same level as everyone else

[fierce marten]

You pop it when you hear a burster so you take no corruption

[hushed glade]

Nuncio isn't good support imo

It's just More Damage

Arbitor lacks any real strong utility like every other class does

[fierce marten]

It has a lot of utility

[mint yew]

well, dog is basically brain burst on giga steroids, which is a pretty decent thing to have running around autonomously

[fierce marten]

Cc being it's biggest thing

[mint yew]

and mine is massive CC

also thank you for mentioning the Moonlight Greatsword, voy, I would not have bought one of these to try otherwise

this is very neat

[sacred pagoda]

So it is balanced, but it’s just easier to use than the others.

And kind of selfish.

[mint yew]

I think it may be a bit overtuned, honestly

not unusual for new classes

[fierce marten]

I dont think its as selfish more than other classes

It has more support nodes than the 3 humans

[sacred pagoda]

They’re all humans, though…

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn top tier support though

[mint yew]

but at least some of it is that it has a way nicer tree than everyone else's stuff, no wasted nodes, no annoying vital talents locked behind certain gear picks, just way bigger numbers in places

also dog is free, you still have grenade + ability + full kit, so that's just gravy

[fierce marten]

Damage is a small part of it

[frank igloo]

Yeah the big thing about arbites is it has a modern talent tree

[fierce marten]

TDR, toughness regen, revive, attack speed, enemies melee slower and 15% damage? Its mostly support

[frank igloo]

Zealot hasnt been touched in a meaningful matter at all since the class rework and veteran's had some minor ones but is still just as old

Psyker is better mostly because of how interconnected stuff is and ogryn got a big rework that puts them on the same level as arbites in design

[fierce marten]

Not to mention cc is support for other classes since an enemy that isnt moving for 2 seconds is one killed by your team

Also it has nodes that debuff enemies so it takes more melee damage from all PCs

Zealot is more selfish

Its mostly got the one support chorus

And shield of comtempt

[mint yew]

the main thing that irks me on psyker is that brain burst is kind of legacy code from an era where One Crusher was a valid intensification of a situation

[fierce marten]

Lot less tax nodes and better tree for buildcraft with less opportunity costs

Which I dont mind that direction for talent trees

[hushed glade]

I think Brain Burst just being an AoE

would make it Fine.

[sonic elbow]

Scary Singular Crusher, oh how I miss you

I think the game is kinda bound to go back to a single crusher being scary if it's to have a healthy future

[fierce marten]

Yea the power creep is real

[sonic elbow]

it's not only power creep, it's also that they met the power creep with 20 crusher clowncar

[fierce marten]

Crushers are the vegetas/superman enemies you use to show why your yet another build that can 1-2 shot crushers is good

[sonic elbow]

so anything that can't take out 20 crusher is looking extra dire

[fierce marten]

Havoc 40 is like, we powercrept so much we cannot do more than yeet 50 scab ragers, maulers, crushers without breaking the game engine

[sonic elbow]

it's one thing to be outmatched by other options and another to exist in a game balanced for them

[spiral badger]

brain burst is still often the pick of choice for high havoc psyker

[sonic elbow]

the end result is that everything feels so ridiculous that I just kinda don't care as much about the events on the screen

[spiral badger]

because it covers one situation where the rest of the standard high havoc psyker kit can't do shit

[fierce marten]

It is wild that like, 3 monstrosities at once is when threat happens. Mostly cause you'll get surprised grabbed and die after being thrown into specialists. When I die im like, yea I technically could have done something but it was like a mistake in 20 minutes that brought me from full to dead in 2 seconds.

[sonic elbow]

there's a certain line, hard to give it a name, that was crossed

[spiral badger]

the sniper on the other side of the g dang map

[sonic elbow]

it's not about being overwhelming but more about being

silly?

[fierce marten]

Good fun still but less swingy would be nice

[sonic elbow]

it feels like playing an argument between two kids with their toys

nuh uh my guy is DOUBLE super strong

[mint yew]

I take brain burst, because it does the job and the other blitzes don't, but it still has a level of jank that newer abilities largely don't

[spiral badger]

postnerf assail is weirdly the least useful on most psyker setups

since it's just another way of doing what psyker already does well- horde clearing

it's too flighty and slow for specialist picking

and it doesn't lock shit down

[fierce marten]

You could revert many nerfs and it wouldnt be necessarily top tier by now standards

[spiral badger]

psyker right now is too centralized on a couple of staffs being way too good and everything else kinda being bad

[fierce marten]

Basically Zealot but talents

I still love Zealot but like every zealot player says, new tree plz

[regal pendant]

+crit chance is what I use on everything

Because I mean

It's free extra damage

Why not run it

[heavy geyser]

Its only 5% crit chance and the armor types can get you more damage on crits and on non-crits

i usually take maniac and carapace since the weapons I use tend to kill flak guys fine and having a quicker time killing dreg ragers and mutants is helpful when there's a lot of them

my bolt pistol specifically has unarmored to hit a one-shot breakpoint on dreg gunners

[mint yew]

+25% damage to [type] is great for breakpoints or just decreasing kill time on the enemies you normally struggle with, I find I only go for crit chance if my build is into it, like the flame psyker which gets +5 toughness and +1 second of considered-dodging every time they crit

[marsh gyro]

Crit's kind of a you got it or you don't got it kinda thing

[crystal sluice]

i take crit damage on my zealot that crits significantly more than not but otherwise i skip it yea

[hushed glade]

ye same

my eviscerator Zealot has like 100% crit chance

[heavy geyser]

I remember reading that +crit damage only applies to the portion of bonus damage added to the base value and not to the whole increased number, but I'd need a second opinion to be confident in saying that

[marsh gyro]

This is correct - if a weapon does 100 damage base and 125 on crit then the crit damage modifier brings it to 127.5, same deal with weak spot damage

[spiral badger]

yep

which is why they're rarely worth it unless it's a huge percentage

[marsh gyro]

Something like a Surgical bolter or helbore with 100% crit does enough of a multiplier the 10% weak spot can be nice but 10% crit damage even there tends to be less because of stuff like deadly accurate (+100% crit damage on weak spot crit) diluting it

[heavy geyser]

this game rules but its full of things that sound cool except for one little technicality that makes it kinda not worth it

[heavy geyser]

this has me doublechecking the impact of cranial grounding's weakspot damage now

[fierce marten]

How does cranial's work? I take it over heatsink for the weakspot damage but if its not significant I actually like heatsink more since it works if overheated and I forget to turn it off often.

[heavy geyser]

building up stacks lowers heat gain, I like it for giving power-off mode a bit more bite but you can build 5 stacks in power off and then activate into a pretty efficient uptime

[marsh gyro]

Weak spot damage is kinda weird because it's a nice bonus if you don't have none (like zealot) and diluted if you do already have some from the tree (veteran and arbitrator) and is separate from finesse modifier (which pumps up both weak spot and crit at the same time)

30% weak spot damage node on Vet works out to like a 10-15% damage bonus overall which ain't too shabby

I've played enough Diablolikes that crit damage being an all damage multiplier gets wild fast so I don't mind the more conservative implementation in darktide

[heavy geyser]

I've been practicing comboing into relic blade headstabs out of dodgeslides so having weakspot bonus from cranial grounding feels nice, since that move in particular has a huge finesse modifier

[marsh gyro]

Yeah Relic Blade benefits big from those bonuses and is one of the reasons Duellist node is so great

[hushed glade]

I straight up do not understand the modifiers tbh

I just get by by making sure my numbers are big

[marsh gyro]

It's kind of a Path of Exile thing where modifiers of the same type add to each other then they all multiply into each other so buffing a lot of types can be nice

[hushed glade]

I can do auric mortis

I feel like my builds are good as a result

And all my friends aren't good enough for havoc missions so I dont have to worry about that

[marsh gyro]

Havoc under 20 is surprisingly accessible, it's like a Heresy maelstrom from 16-20

[heavy geyser]

This person datamines what everything actually does and has pretty clear write-ups https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210

if you ever want to know what something actually does, Kuli Guides can tell you

[hushed glade]

I do wanna try that silly veteran bolter bleed build

[spiral badger]

havoc is roughly

1-10 heresy + gross
10-20 damnation + gross
20-30 auric + gross
30-40 auric malestrom + gross

[mint yew]

what is "gross" here

I assumed it started at Auric Maelstrom and went up from there, huh

[hushed glade]

The modifiers

Havoc has it's own bullshit

Like daemonhost rituals

[marsh gyro]

Extra tentacles and goop and about double the monstrosities

[spiral badger]

special and annoying modifiers and The Emperor's Fading Light which gradually increases penalties to your baseline health and toughness, ammo availability, and removes the director's Niceness Inhibitors

which usually cause it to scale back if you're already in serious shit

oh and twins and captains can show up at any tiem

instead of a normal boss

[mint yew]

fun

[spiral badger]

captains are honestly less of a threat than a badly timed beast or chaos spawn

but the twins can just End You if they show up inconveniently

[hushed glade]

The problem with a captain is they can shoot you

[spiral badger]

yeah that's the real annoyance

the toher is if you happen to get one with The Final Toll and he just goes apeshit at half health

[fierce marten]

So for cranial and zealot who doesnt have much then cranial's weakspot damage would be worth it over the convenienece of heatsink?

[fierce marten]

I actually like daemonohost rituals over normal daemonhosts. Its the ammo thing that gets me the most, makes a ton of guns not worth unless they're real ammo efficient

[marsh gyro]

If you like the feel of heatsink you can hang on to it, I run Wrath and Rampage myself

[fierce marten]

Youre the cleave expert clem, what's like the bonus cleave from wrath vs say no wrath just power? My thought was if I took heatsink/cranial the power mode would basically be always on even if I let it overheat by accident

[marsh gyro]

11.7 cleave on powered mode base, non powered has about 1.8 on the bonks and 8 on the swoopies, 5 stacks wrath is a +250% mod for 3.5x cleave to get 6.3 and 28 respectively, so it's kinda like being in powered mode all the time except now Powered mode 41 cleave hits 4 crushers

[heavy geyser]

I'm also debating dropping wrath for something else

Right now I want to try Heatsink for extended power-on uptimes, but also Energy Leakage for even more damage

Energy Leakage gives a buff to powered off mode as well so with good heat management it feels like there might be some big plays it can enable

saving your heat and positioning for a powered-on 16% or 20% strength bonuus shroudfield crit run heavy stab

Does +strength affect cleave as well?

[fierce marten]

Yes

[marsh gyro]

Yeah Strength adds to itself and Cleave adds to itself and then they multiply each other so if you have 11.7 base cleave on the powered swings at 80% cleave targets then 20% from Energy Leakage gets you to about 14.04 and that's like 10 poxwalkers on Auric, 4 poxwalkers on Havoc 40, or 5 scab bruisers even or 2 Ogryns and that's plenty for most use cases

[heavy geyser]

Yeah, that sounds good. I use the mk. II and one of the ways I route into sweep combos in a panic is to light light light into a horde until I get the horizontal swing and then do the heavy > light loops, and by the time one of those is complete with a non-lockout powered off state I'm ready to power on again

And I value the stab tech, so this might be the play. Giving up a little bit of the wrath cleave, which is really nice, for more hard target breaking power

Staggering maulers with the uppercut hit is a lot of fun

[marsh gyro]

It's such a satisfying bonk

[heavy geyser]

the pratfall off the cliff

[flint moss]

OBGYN

[fierce marten]

OBGYN like a Gyne?

[flint moss]

check the character names in the vid

[fierce marten]

Oh

OBGYN

[wintry plaza]

https://youtu.be/j1mpYJdZDWA?si=z-WP7evMVHF5kO6b

[fierce marten]

Funny canonical gameplay lore moment wolfer is absolutely livid they can't kill 4 random people. https://youtube.com/shorts/q6874K1HP5g?si=zp5wVhb6mtBO5Krh

We're like tempestus scion levels of unkillable mortals

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the Carnival finale's hilarious because they're yelling about 50 of the rejects

[fierce marten]

Unless the warrior totem theory is true, Grendyl absolutely lucked out on the PC rejects

[frank igloo]

i love these sorts of things

[distant surge]

i find it funny the aneurysm is a word they know in the year 40k, you would think they would have some weird words for it considering how weird everything else is

[fierce marten]

I'm not entirely convinced though that Grendyl didn't expect the rejects to be or become special in some way. Stealing escaped prisoners from an arbites barge is like a real dumb move even for an inquisitor unless you got a good reason like those prisoners are special. An inquisitor could probably easily hire or manipulate a warband from Atoma

[hushed glade]

I mean the "rejects" in general aren't

[spiral badger]

my feeling is that grendyl is doing something on atoma proper that they do not want exposed to the light

[hushed glade]

Most of them are dying

[fierce marten]

New mortis trials lore is juicy and implies Grendyl is brahm's ancestor from a stupidly long time ago kept alive by a magos

[spiral badger]

so grabbing folks who are separated from atoma to some degree to reduce potential information leakage was the plan

[fierce marten]

It's why I say PC Rejects

[frank igloo]

like i said, our player rejects have not canonically died once

and mulch through, at minimum, platoon-level forces from a traitor guard regiment

the idea that we're totally shit-tier is just laughable

[fierce marten]

Not even just regular traitors, but chaos empowered too

[distant surge]

we stronge

[fierce marten]

It's canon multiple daemonhosts we're made as like practice for the admonition ritual we stopped. Which is why the ones we encounter are so volatile they instantly become possessed from basically being near them

And we killed them, we're like named humans level of bonkers

[distant surge]

we do kill a lot of powerful things

[marsh gyro]

It's okay, we're that powerful because this rock is a friendly one

[regal pendant]

Unparalleled swag

I feel like Rannick's due to pop me in the back of the head any day now for out-swagging an Inquisitor

[fierce marten]

Imagine Wolfer getting killed by an Ogyrn

Rocks falls
Heretic dies

[distant surge]

i really like Rannick

[hushed glade]

I mean honestly at this point we are space marine level

A space marine would genuinely struggle against multiple beasts of nurgle and chaos spawn and plague ogryns simultaneously

[fierce marten]

He's funny guy who isnt afraid. Brahm lets him basically do anything except spy on one part of the ship that the ship's magos frequents and he even has to test that cause he wants to know what the deal between grendyl and brahm is and sort of is close to figuring it out

[fierce marten]

Amazing

Tempestus Scions are silly effective for being unaugmented or relatively mildly augment humans which is very 40k

[heavy geyser]

that psyker coat cape works real well with the Orville Peck hat

[marsh gyro]

Today I learned the twins can spawn on the tiny bridge on Hab Dreyko during the extraction

RIP the team due to OSHA violations

[sacred pagoda]

I did a short Dark Heresy game based on Darktide and it ended with:
"Captain Wolfer! It's bad! We can't hold!"
"What? What could it possibly be? Cadians? Tempestus Scions?"
"Deathwatch Kill-Marine, sir!"
"OH COME ON!"

[fierce marten]

Imagine if Grendyl didnt anticipate having like 21 demigod rejects and was like, I didnt think id get this far, I thought all the rejects would be dead at the carnival

[hushed glade]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-i-dont-know-idk-i-never-thought-id-get-this-far-gif-15489594

[regal pendant]

...I am vaguely considering getting that third person view mod

If nothing else than so I can truly admire my own drip in missions

[mint yew]

<@&1042950387478560878> who is around for violence

[split mantle]

we just got home, we'll be on in ~10

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159883850562932826 message) <@&1042950387478560878> who is around for violence

[flint moss]

im around

[mint yew]

hang on, things have gotten in the way, I can probably catch mission 2

[flint moss]

tried to spectate while downed and this happened

[distant surge]

looks like a shark

[regal pendant]

Do y'all think this looks decent?

Kinda on the fence about it

Something about the blade feels disproportionate to the hilt

[opaque crown]

All the warhammer swords are disproportionate

[regal pendant]

True

...think it might be the grip actually...

Right, yeah, it was the grip that felt too skinny, found something a smidge thicker and that fixed the issue

[fierce marten]

Mister E teaching the darktide community what it needs to know

[regal pendant]

Can confirm

[worldly talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384069469686988801/1395289393614295141/RDT_20250620_120732.mp4?ex=6879e802&is=68789682&hm=91ae2e7648577257465bc225ca698232fae02277d3b69759f738116abc5e280d&

[fierce marten]

Real

I clipped my favorites as ringtones

Darktide players saying how random people chanting to an almost broken electric pipe organ is peak

[sonic elbow]

my favourite is the endless theories as to what the lyrics of disposal unit are

[worldly talon]

ominous chanting while discordant music plays in the background is peak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCT3c9FxAgg

[sonic elbow]

darktide is probably the best thing to ever happen to jesper kyd because the music direction suits his leanings so well

[worldly talon]

IDK, Vermintide was pretty peak too

[sonic elbow]

...which is funny because most people probably know him from the exact opposite AC2 soundtrack

[worldly talon]

Also Hitman

though honestly

childhood game that had him that stuck in my memory because the soundtrack was awesome

Was Freedom Fighters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90pDxJA0ic

[sonic elbow]

the springiness in disposal unit is my favourite thing ever, I wish I knew enough music words to be able to name it

[heavy geyser]

I love the Carnival horde music

[fierce marten]

Go from ezio's best random woman singing tracks to cursed modem chanting

Both slap equally as hard

[distant surge]

Isnt the ship mistress a Rogue trader?

[fierce marten]

Brahm? Yes

[distant surge]

that opens the possibility of something uncommon as a character i feel like...

[regal pendant]

On the topic of our favorite tracks, mine's Late Night Entertainment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8K-X97wUyc

[distant surge]

i just did my first ever Havoc!

i got a great team and i also did really well myself!

i really like the recon lasgun let me tell ya!

[frank igloo]

Gratz!

[brazen fossil]

I tried the eviscerator and holy slaps batman

Cleared auric easily

[regal pendant]

Lmao look at this ogryn I ran into

[distant surge]

Nice beard

[distant surge]

i wanna play more havoc!

first time i ever did a havoc was yesterday

im lvl 4 on havoc now and i think the mission we played was...23?

i had a really good team for it

[marsh gyro]

Havoc's pretty neat when you got a good crew to blast monstrosities yeah

[distant surge]

i wanna do it again some time

the recon lasgun build i was rocking did quite well

need to figure out a build for my zealot

[sacred pagoda]

What are the settings you’re supposed to disable for Darktide, again? One of my friends is having performance issues and I’m not at my computer to look at my settings.

[marsh gyro]

It depends on their rig, if they have a older card then turn off the frame generation and/or anti-aliasing, bloom, ambient occlusion

[sacred pagoda]

Theirs is pretty new. I mostly meant the supposedly AI-powered stuff.

[marsh gyro]

Yeah for NVidia cards it's the DLSS and the AMD it's the FSR, both have the frame generation

[sacred pagoda]

Thanks, I’ll pass it along.

[fierce marten]

Ray tracing should probably be off if it's on, it chugs a lot of GPU

[mint yew]

<@&1042950387478560878> pew pew

[flint moss]

i can join

[flint moss]

ok i only had enbough time for the one match

[mint yew]

RIP

ah well, I will be around later if other people are

[distant surge]

are u around now?

[mint yew]

if we can get a full squad I probably am, just tidying up some writing

[distant surge]

[distant surge]

well im going to bed

just played through havoc!

love me recon lasgun

[fierce marten]

I saw a fun triple stamina curios recon lasgun build that just sprays an infantry lasgun for like actually a minute

Uses deadshot

[waxen patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384069469686988801/1395289393614295141/RDT_20250620_120732.mp4?ex=687be242&is=687a90c2&hm=ea346b61d5d09af477cabbadf4768f75befba12ed3df590f07b3813ccb8adbdf&

[regal pendant]

Why is the male Authoritarian so fucking wholesome

He genuinely seems like a great guy

...besides the bit of willingly serving as the boot to grind on the necks of the masses

[fierce marten]

Authoritarian surprisingly believes in the lex is the greater good

Its the maul that's a murderhobo

Thinly veiled khorne desires

[regal pendant]

Yeah he genuinely believes that the Lex is something good to strive towards rather than a means of grinding the boot into the neck of humanity

[regal pendant]

Which is saying something, given one of the zealots straight up is being corrupted by Khorne and STILL comes across as less bloodthirsty and evil

[fierce marten]

I forget the third one, but they're the snarky realist. Lex sucks but its bigger than me and no good alternatives exist

[regal pendant]

The Fatalist

Who is weirdly more of an asshole than the Authoritarian

[fierce marten]

Fanatic was almost corrupted

[regal pendant]

I feel like they're just actively being corrupted, if slowly

[fierce marten]

They show remorse over torching a town and showing restraint which is something anti-khorne

[regal pendant]

True, but "SKULLS FOR THE EMPEROR, BLOOD FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE" is just

[fierce marten]

They almost did but that pulled them back

[regal pendant]

THE sign of "Your ass is being corrupted"

[fierce marten]

The thing is fanatic was worse

This is the redemption arc, not perfect but better

[regal pendant]

Maybe, but they still shout out the Khorne line

The Cosmic Pissbaby still has his influence festering in them

...wait no the Emperor would be the Cosmic Pissbaby

[fierce marten]

They do, they like most imerial citizens know like little about chaos

[crystal sluice]

it's fine actually. khorne can't get you if you yell hard enough

[regal pendant]

Truuuuuuuuuuue

If you yell hard enough you hurt his ears and he goes "Ow fuck, quiet down you dick" and leaves to file a noise complaint to the Emperor

The Emperor, of course, throws them in the trash, but it's the spirit of it that counts

[fierce marten]

Assuming Corpse Emperor is even there

Psyker saying corpse emperor in front of arbites is like, instant grounds for execution if it werent for grendyl

And whatever they have on the head honcho arbites. "Hey work with these escaped former prisoners of ours and some may be heretical but you cant shoot them"

Since psykers are like a sneeze from death unless they're sanctioned and high up enough in power class

[heavy geyser]

That's only if you take charge!

The other two skills are less unrestrained superviolence

[worldly talon]

Welp

Somebody actually did it

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1m3an3q/itehttsarbite_mod_for_the_nuncioaquila/

[fierce marten]

Hasnt that been already a mod

[regal pendant]

That is a ridiculously red dog wtf

[flint moss]

go go gadget clifford

[distant surge]

Pet the dog

[brazen fossil]

Random bullshit go !
Dog named Random bullshit

[opaque crown]

I call like the zealot calling out the khorne line is less about being corrupted and more about how the imperial faith at times is indistinguishable from chaos

It's like how, on the ground level, an imperial citizen is gonna make no distinction between flesh tearers and world eaters visually

[flint moss]

kinda also about how the imperial emphasis on death, violence, hatred etc makes it fertile gorund for chaos cults, and because the populace is kept uninformed they are undefended from corruption

[grave talon]

I have finally reach level 30 with veteran

And i prefer the autogun to the recon las

Now to level up Arbiter

[mint yew]

<@&1042950387478560878> kill?

[split mantle]

we're about to go out to have lunch with work friends,,,,,,,,,, 😭

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159883850562932826 message) <@&1042950387478560878> kill?

we'll be on later tho!!!

[sonic elbow]

also about how the warp is merely a reflection of all the suffering the imperium is causing in realspace

sure, the war in heaven fucked it up first, but imperium does a great job of making sure it remains as bad as it can be

[waxen patio]

It's a real catch 22 fuckery problem because it's already bad enough to cause problems (not to mention how much the eldar fucked it up too) but then any attempt to make positive changes is crushed either by the problems of the imperium or problems with the warp

[distant surge]

i wanna do more havoc

[worldly talon]

The Disco Aquila was a mod, this is the first I've seen somebody put the TTS Arbites lines in it

[fierce marten]

Oh I see

My favorite variant is carameldansen disco aquila

[fierce marten]

Warp is actively hostile too post war in heaven, you probably would have never gotten chaos United levels of materium fuckery back when it was far more passive before the war

Princes basically keep themselves "alive"

[waxen patio]

yeah I meant that what the eldar did with slaanesh kinda shoved it over the edge

talking like you're sitting on the ocean floor of badness and then you look over there and it's the challenger deep going even further down

[fierce marten]

It's very 40k that the reflection of reality dimension becoming hostile is like if you were so violent your mirror started attacking you

I dont think I see many arbites with axes, are there any unique builds for arbites with tac or com axes? Or is it mostly standard builds for them

[sonic elbow]

I run tac axe because arbites gives it so much cleave and stagger that it turns into a well rounded weapon

so mostly just grabbing these nodes

[marsh gyro]

I've got one tac axe build that pairs it with brittleness shotgun and forceful/charge and one achlys combat axe build that uses it with brutal momentum/thrust and a triple barrel and castigator/super puppy and the latter will pop off hard once they fix bottom left keystone bugs in august

[fierce marten]

What's the bottom left keystone bug?

[marsh gyro]

Basically none of the bottom left keystone nodes work except when the dog scores the marked kill directly is how I understand it
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/arbites-many-talent-does-not-function-properly/110684

[fierce marten]

Oh I see

That would explain why the gunner node seems so good

It kills elite gunners in a second and I get many a buffs from it since I usually do bottom left. I rarely get those gunner kills stolen

Going all in on dog with gunner node its like bubble but angy

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it's like 160 damage/tick base, 240 with the ranged node, something like 480 with the marked target, so gunners get got fast

[fierce marten]

Its pretty nice for reaper packs too

Kills a reaper in 2 pounces

I tend to use dogplosion for gunner packs

Or bosses

[regal pendant]

God I wish Peril was easier to keep high

Between the rate at which it drains and the one talent I have to take that gives a 10% chance to immediately quell some on a kill it's just weirdly difficult to keep at a high number

Miss being able to get up to high Heat with an Unchained and then keep it high for a good long while

[fierce marten]

Why take that talent

[fierce marten]

Huh TIL Ally revive speed is additive, it takes like 2/3rds are long to revive with 3 of them

Giga fast revives like you're just releasing someone from a net

[sonic elbow]

yeah

[fierce marten]

I also learned to appreciate triple HP arbites, the grit talent is just so good for surviving havoc and castigator lets you play stupid stupid reckless and be fine

[sonic elbow]

ogryn can have some revives bordering on superspeed patdown handmaiden of yore

with the +25% speed talent

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn is da best

Unfortunately I like speed

[regal pendant]

Easy access to two +15 toughness talents

The alternative is wasting a fuckton more talent points I need elsewhere

[fierce marten]

Interesting, I cant say I know a ton about psyker nowadays

[regal pendant]

...I take anything negative I've felt about that talent back it is fucking amazing

Just saved my bacon from overloading when some random guy died from my soulfire and it procced the talent

Which is EXCEEDINGLY fortunate

[heavy geyser]

Which melee do you use?

I use the Illisi 1h force sword and it makes it easy to maintain high peril

Activating it adds like 15% peril and the Illisi is the mark that doesn't stick on activated hits

[marsh gyro]

I've been running a lot of Devil's Claw / Revolver / 25 stack Disrupt Destiny Psyker lately and while it's not the tankiest it sure is funny to cleave through poxwalkers good

[regal pendant]

Force greatsword

Issue with it is that it generates peril in big chunks rather than in more manageable ones, so it's only really useful for torquing it up when I'm at zero

[heavy geyser]

That one looks like its force generation is mostly from the big shot, so its meant to play around the right-side talents that build warp/non-warp damage stacks

build a lot of warp damage with non-warp kills and then release the blast

The one-hand swords can probably sustain peril more consistently

if that's the thing you're looking for those are probably the weapons that do the thing you want

[fierce marten]

I once again did my UI, I can stop any time I want to.

[regal pendant]

Good lord

[mint yew]

<@&1042950387478560878> who would like to tide

[fierce marten]

Mister E had a doggo contest

[mint yew]

now regretting equipping Lone Wolf

give me the cyber corgi

although to be honest, Lone Wolf + shock mines has the juice

you just feel unstoppable

[mint yew]

OK, after some build juggling to fish for the Arbites achievements, the shock mines definitely do feel like an outlier

the impact frags aren't awful but I'm glad I can put them down again in a couple of missions, spamming shock mines out every 60 seconds is just so much lockdown

dog AOE electrocute chieve will take a bit longer to get

[fierce marten]

Grenades being so quick and spammable is pretty great

Any enemy cc'd is basically a dead one. In a normal auric+ team crushers packs would be dead before they recover

[sonic elbow]

arbi frags got that "woe, X be upon ye" juice

in this essay I will outline how woe... is a distinct and worth separating class of abilities that might not have overwhelming raw power but they come out fast and make your opponent's day significantly worse

[fierce marten]

5 gives you a lot of chances to use it without waste, team down? Yeet one at them then revive, objective? Yeet one down then get to them or do it, etc

I like shocks but they're slow to toss out

Grenades are instant answers to situations

I lied I cant stop messing with my UI
-# bottom of the screenshot was cut for some reason.

[mint yew]

I was running with regenerating shock mines alongside a zealot with the relic, and that just works disgustingly well

any time it gets hot the zealot stuns the wave instantly and gives you a ton of gold toughness, then you throw the shock mine down and lay into them with wild abandon because random shooters or whatever can't really touch you before you kill everyone

[regal pendant]

WHEYYYYYYYYYYYYY

And I did it with THREE teammates too, good shit

One guy left mid-game and the bot just

Never spawned into the boss arena

[brazen fossil]

Do y'all ever feel like sometimes you get the most dripped out "Auric Exemplar" teammates and they just throw oh so, so hard

I feel like I get quitters in 70% of my auric games

[regal pendant]

Yeah

Half of them are absolute sweats

[brazen fossil]

Like bro you have a gun why are you sprinting at the snipers

[sonic elbow]

the snipers are not trained in CQB

[brazen fossil]

Yeah but they are trained in killing the zealot 4 times in a row as he tries to close in

[marsh gyro]

Zealot charging through a Sniper shot is a huge rush

[brazen fossil]

I bet

This one failed tho, died and disconnected

After I had to pick him up 3 time

[marsh gyro]

I've been noticing the game doesn't backfill leavers as much these days

[brazen fossil]

Yeah

[regal pendant]

Clearly you've never beheld the glory of the sniper's kickboxing training

...god it'd be funny as fuck if snipers were ridiculously deadly in melee

You run up to bash in their face with your big bonking stick and they just start doing aikido on your ass

[fierce marten]

It can be depending on map, not a sniper but same kick https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1f1kzw0/kicked/

[drowsy vine]

The Boot

[heavy geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/505030076266708993/1397058005866123364/bursters.mp4?ex=68805728&is=687f05a8&hm=6bf860fb1e6ad4ed2f0c58af54f2c80f66527e5eff48f24702f871bc9460b24f&

[fierce marten]

Average hishock

Or auric mortis trials

Getting like a dozen bursters in a dozen with at least 4 spawned at a time is why I take castigator's stance. I aint taking any corruption

They cant make me

[heavy geyser]

I survived to the medicae on the bridge with my 1 hp

[fierce marten]

I miss that about zealot, going though areas with 1 HP, bless Until Death

I hope whenever fatshark decides to Zealot 2.0, Loner gets reworked for my precious shroudfield

[marsh gyro]

Replace it with Anti-Loner where you count as 4 players of coherency and it can go to 7 in a normal party and 16 in a dedicated zealot crew

[brazen fossil]

Unironically would still probably not be that good

[fierce marten]

Arbites has the doggo counting as one, get coherency everywhere

You know what would be a weird aura perk, an extra wound

Unless that's an ogyrn one, I know little about it

[heavy geyser]

I don't think they can radically change the auras since there are penances attached to them, unless Loner gets downgraded to a blue node

[fierce marten]

What's the penance for zealot's

They could add an extra effect onto it and it wouldnt need to change penance

[marsh gyro]

Loner penance has you stab shooters while out of coherency so really could be attached to anything

[fierce marten]

I must have gotten that accidentally but ive always been real antigunner

[regal pendant]

I think that's one penance I'm not gonna be getting

It just seems

Tedious

[fierce marten]

If you play stealth zealot it should be easy, you should be in the enemy backlines anyways

Playing arbites the razor jaw with gunner node kills so many grunt gunners passively. The landing AoE kills the regular scab and cult shooters and I always get double the highest lesser ranged enemy kills just letting doggo do its thing

TTK with razor jaw and gunner node is much lower and doesnt need any support, about a second each heavy gunner

[flint moss]

crowd control mastiff
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quoth the snow leopard, "nevermorg" (@apoapsis.bsky.social)

GO! MY LABUBU MISSILE! KILL!

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Bluesky · Jul 19, 2025, 5:37 AM

[fierce marten]

Almost had the dumbest wipe

Someone wanted to see if they could fall off a bridge that's still extending (you can) and we we're BMing while reviving them and a burster blew us up and threw the other 2 teammembers off the edge and I only survived cause I always castigator before reviving and I just booked it to the extract without even seeing the surprise miniwave of specialists

[marsh gyro]

A very 40k ending

[fierce marten]

The one place I didnt expect my gender to be affirmed

[regal pendant]

Replaying Vermintide 2

I wish that the staves in Darktide were as varied as the ones in Vermintide

[distant surge]

"Rats we're rats"

[opaque crown]

The thing that constantly gets me is not sprinting in vermintide 2

[regal pendant]

Yeah lol

Feels weird

[fierce marten]

Vermintide has a tighter game design and I can appreciate how well done it is especially after over 10 years of work, but it feels too slow to me

Even playing like a Shade I just went back to Darktide for Zealot

Its certainly more methodical and the pace gives you time to see incoming threats you need to plan to deal with. Darktide is a lot more immediate reactive gameplay

[regal pendant]

Aye

[fierce marten]

Also part of that tight design is how relatively simple things are build wise means what exists has a ton of polish

There's not much fluff compared to say darktide's curios which half the perks you'd never take really

[opaque crown]

Tbf with vermintide, it's also more paired down, and certainly wasn't like that at the start

Point of issue i still have is the loot boxes

[marsh gyro]

Loot boxes are no fun, and I say this as I chase 420 power relic curios for my Arbitrator

[fierce marten]

UnU did wonders for Darktide's crafting

Unrelated, I miss knife. Its so nice

[marsh gyro]

Knife push attack has surprising cleave

[fierce marten]

Kind of interesting how arbites doesnt have the generic weapons others have. When another class comes out I wonder if it'll also have its own set of weapons and not all the generic ones

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it's kind of interesting that they got about half the crossover weapons and half new ones

I've been on a real tear with lone wolf Headtaker/Decimator tactical axe on the arbitrator and the mines because they sure turn it into a blender with the cleave and impact bonuses

[heavy geyser]

All the generic weapons are bladed, which Arbiters typically don't use. Axes and chainswords are the most bludgeon-adjacent compromises from the available pool.

[spiral badger]

weird they dont get chainaxes tbh

[tough compass]

It's probably due to strange technical reasons in the Lex that several wars were fought over

[spiral badger]

but yes in general they only get blunt weapons because they are, in theory, supposed to take some of their targets alive

[tough compass]

I wonder what their capture rate is. Other than "bad"

Would be mildly funny if the prison blocks were actually empty because no one lives long enough to be sent to them

[spiral badger]

we know they're pretty full because every other reject was arrested by them lol

the tancred bastion was an arbites prision ship

[sacred pagoda]

Run going really smoothly
Three trappers mixed into a huge mob of Maulers

Cool game, Fatshark.

[heavy geyser]

what were you running?

[sacred pagoda]

On my legs, generally.

[heavy geyser]

doesn't sound like you got very far

[sacred pagoda]

Shield + Shock maul and Bolt Pistol.

Not that it matters when I didn't even see the trapper.

[mint yew]

I love that loadout, the bolt pistol with a few upgrades just eats stuff

[sacred pagoda]

Oh yeah, I like the bolt pistol a lot.

The shield+maul is maybe my favorite weapon in the game right now.

[marsh gyro]

Both marks of the shield+maul are really good at what they do, the sweepy shield knocks over a billion pox walkers and the bonky shield punches real hard with Opportunist

[sacred pagoda]

I'm not sure which one's which.

I just picked the one with the bigger damage number.

[marsh gyro]

Mk 6 is the swoopy heavy and Mk XI is the bonky

[fierce marten]

Nonlethal chainweapons, yoh probably wish you were dead

[fierce marten]

Audio cues are probably the most important thing, when they work. I had to get a mod so trappers just constantly cackle

And do alittle dodge slide when I hear the cue

[mint yew]

I was unaware that the shield + maul even had a second mark

I'll have to try that out

the sweep attack shield supplements the bolt pistol fine but I have it fully upgraded, I can swap back and forth easily

[waxen patio]

recently in my Rogue Trader group, the Missionary only had a chainsword going up against a (very old, ill-equipped) astartes. Instead of trying to get her AP2 sword through the armor, she opted to conk him on the head with the non-toothed backside of her chainsword instead to stun him

it worked GREAT

[fierce marten]

The one with a wide swing push attack, then alternates perfectly horizontal swipes with L1 then H1

That and with forceful it's got good horde clear and cleave and the special alt is so spammabale and nice with forceful

[heavy geyser]

Alt fire on the shield sounds like it would have helped with a mixed horde.

[sacred pagoda]

The whole thing happened basically as we rounded a corner. It was just bad luck.

Like, I came around the corner and got hit with a net basically immediately, then two other party members got hit with nets and the fourth got backed into a corner and Mauled.

[drowsy vine]

it happens, not really any more bullshit than anything else

[sacred pagoda]

It was just a one-off complaint about some bad luck.

I didn't mean for it to be taken all that seriously, it was just a kind of "Ah damn, this just happened to me." kind of statement. Maybe I worded it too strongly. I'd prefer to move on from it, though.

[drowsy vine]

Sure

[marsh gyro]

New event active for a few weeks, the armored folks get more armor:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520845543638828949?l=english

[tough compass]

And xenomorph blood

[fierce marten]

Huh I thought they were doing like a break for a month

Unless thats over and a month ago or they had this already made.

[marsh gyro]

Next hotfix is still in August, this must've just been in the pipe

[crystal sluice]

eep

[lost cave]

Cream armor, red jackets, and navy pants certainly striking, if nothing else.

[split mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878>

🗡️

[flint moss]

ill be available again starting tmrw

[split mantle]

1653200957

@sonic wraith

[twilit cradle]

@vivid echo

[vivid echo]

yes

[fierce marten]

The new event is interesting, I wonder if they're collecting data for something. The armor infested seem to be harder to one shot and take several hits but are able to be damaged by more weapons.

Making Carapace enemies lasting a bit longer than normal. I have tin foil theory this is a test for them to see how they can balance the game so maulers and crushers are threats that stick around a bit longer like OG darktide

[heavy geyser]

New havoc modifier maybe, like the infected guardsmen.

[marsh gyro]

It's kind of a weird thing where they get a big HP boost but the carapace goes to Infested and the enemies get a 3x melee damage taken multiplier like the dogs

Ranged attacks aren't so good vs the infested horror armor

[heavy geyser]

the biggest hazard is killing one releasing the cloud that hides the 5 other impending overheads

[fierce marten]

THats true, could be gathering data for a renewed havoc

[heavy geyser]

also, the only Infested enemies are poxwalkers and dogs, so maybe more infested presence gives +infested damage more value

[marsh gyro]

The source code folder for the havoc mutators does have a rotten armor entry so I'm thinking we'll see it in coming weeks

[mint yew]

I am really enjoying hacking at the armour waves honestly

although that might be because I'm busy levelling my arbites weapons and as such I have some pretty great modifiers for it

[signal current]

Oh new event? Guess we should hop back on

[fierce marten]

I've been playing chorus knife zealot, missed the speed of being able to go so fast I'm like an ambulance running to anyone taking damage and chorusing.

[mint yew]

steadily burning through the arbites penances and not really vibing with the Nuncio-Aquila, it's a bit clunky to use

these huge armour missions are the best place to get this out of the way at least

lots of good moments to slam down the debuff zone

[spiral badger]

the nuncio is very powerful but yeah 2 major flaws

1. slow to activate

2. requires you to plant your feet

[mint yew]

I think my current favourite build is Lone Wolf/Castigator's Stance/Shock Mine and then either the mark-specials capstone or the one that alternates melee and ranged stacks

regen shock mine is just wild

[marsh gyro]

Absolutely - Yes I would like to hack this point in peace

[mint yew]

I tried it on an Enhanced Blitz mission and when I started and finished a run of five consecutive shock mines with Castigator's Stance it took a solid two minutes of beatdown before anything without a disable was actually allowed to kill me

besides a stupid number of gunners, which I have fixed somewhat with the good old 60% gunner DR curio setup

[fierce marten]

Well not 60% cause its multiplicative its around 49%

2 is 36% and 3 is 48%.

[fierce marten]

Wish you could send it out while moving, I like to send it forward but hate having to stand

[fierce marten]

Castigator is dummy good for tanking, you're basically unkillable and can stand in almost any hazard without worry

[spiral badger]

all 3 arbites actives are very strong

nuncio is the fiddliest but the power it can give to the whole team is nuts

castigator is Fuck Off, the Button, only held back by a long CD

charge is short cycle CC

[fierce marten]

It enables strong damage on bosses and TDR

Keep a boss in the circle and a skullcrusher melee arbites lets the team melt multiple bosses with any loadouts

Since they also got a talent that makes anything take 15% more melee damage for a few seconds

Its not just your melee damage

[mint yew]

an interesting thing about rotten armour enemies is that they seem to be more killable by spamming lights on most of my weapons now

presumably because they're not armoured so much any more, just mega beefy

I haven't given the Skullcrusher a go yet

[fierce marten]

2 bonks (since weakspot hits count as stagger for arbites) makes enemies take 80% more damage

I personally prefer crusher for skullcrusher

[mint yew]

I need to find a talent to drop for the nuncio-aquila teammate buff

all the rending and reload speed stuff is just great for the shotpistol

I suppose with rotten armour I don't really care about the rending

[tough compass]

hrm, server stability is very terrible for me right now 😠

[fierce marten]

Same

Like in 3 missions DC the entire team

Heretics found the strongest weapon, the servers

[marsh gyro]

I seem to get Error 2014 crashes on pox gas missions so I try to avoid those, completely anecdotal

[tough compass]

I think I only managed to play one full mission today. It didn't seem to matter on type. Maaybe time (the one I finished was the train bomb one)

[fierce marten]

Eviscerator that can hurt more than 4 enemies feels nice

[mint yew]

now that I've got the shotpistol upgraded and buffed properly it does feel a lot nicer

Speedloader 4 + a couple of reload speed talents make it much easier to use and something I did is making it chunk specials

[split mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878> (and @sonic wraith since we don't know if you have the role)

[sonic wraith]

theres a role? damn

[split mantle]

🗡️

we'll be around in like, 10-15 minutes? just need to put groceries away and start some laundry

[tough compass]

I can darktide

[sonic wraith]

ima have to fill in later

if theres room

unless I can convince my friend to get off dbd and join us

[crystal sluice]

there's roles for a lot of games. you can give it to yourself in #bot-stuff if you wanna

[sonic wraith]

noted, ty! <3

[distant surge]

i wanna dorktide

[regal pendant]

Lmao Syl joined my strike team and immediately left

[split mantle]

i mistook you for asom 😭

[regal pendant]

Lmaooooooooo

[flint moss]

oh i missed my chance

[regal pendant]

Oh that is a fucking proper good club, holy shit

[distant surge]

thats a club, yeah

[regal pendant]

Thing's bigger than his head and that's saying something

[flint moss]

sometimes you gotta cave a skull in with The Shitfucker

[fierce marten]

I made a funny weird boss zealot poker, knife with precog, shroudfield bottom path, pious cutthroat, duelist, and invocation of death and ive been chunking over half of boss HP in one shroudfield with double stab.

Also very spammable, I can one shot 2 of the event crushers with a double stab. Feels great spamming it

[marsh gyro]

Yeah turns out I was mega wrong on the event baddies because I was parroting a reddit post and now that I found the code the rotten armor folks are still carapace, they just have ranged damage reduction

[fierce marten]

That would expain it some weapons still pinged on light

Which shouldnt happen for infested armor types

It nerfs plasma gun but dueling sword just got less competition

[marsh gyro]

So many Maulers and Crushers

[flint moss]

yeah i saw a shot bounce off one and i knew they still had carapace

[mint yew]

OK, evidently I was talking received bullshit earlier

Time to swap back to +carapace

Nearly done with Arbites penances, just need taser dog, the two for the ranged/melee stacking capstones and the one for shooting many highlighted targets, all of which I have half done

Honestly these have been quite fun

not too drawn out

[fierce marten]

TIL that Loner doesnt do anything for specialist spawns despite giving that loner coherency effect. Its just the toughness regen

Also for some reason turns off that mechanic that coherency toughness regen turns off if an enemy is occupying a melee slot system so toughness regen speed is actually real nice on Loner Zealot

The downside being you're taking Loner

[marsh gyro]

These days Loner has higher uptime than you'd expect because the team tends to scatter to the four corners of the wind

[fierce marten]

It always has, to me its a little more opposite now. Everyone runs chorus and bubble so like there's flash ADHD beacons to draw randos to one place

So more sticking vaguely in the same area

[fierce marten]

Chat I was cooking again with the UI, I should not be a chef

Im thinking of moving the subtitle/popups to the top to even it out

[marsh gyro]

That should balance it yeah

[fierce marten]

The only thing that bothers me now is theres nothing on the left side

[drifting prism]

Chibi Rannick

[fierce marten]

The mod we need

Replace all speaker pfp with custom ones

Mecanicatgirl hadron

[distant surge]

I feel like she would servitorize u for that

[fierce marten]

K8 already calls us preservitors

And hadron likely already has plans to servitorize you

[distant surge]

That's bad

[fierce marten]

But also I want skiitari

Even dollar store reject skiitari made from dead rejects that didn't live to be the Rejects

[distant surge]

Honestly they could easily have someone from Mars ot another forge world send Hadron some skiitari

She seems to be somewhat influential

[mint yew]

Skitarii are generally living creatures, even servitors aren't made from corpses

but "the rejects got fucked up so we borged them" is perfectly in theme

[fierce marten]

iirc after carnivals there's barely any left

And especially ritual

[tough compass]

You know, there is a weird lack of psyker enemies in Darktide despite the enemy being chaos aligned

[opaque crown]

They're just not common tbh

[tough compass]

Fair, but you'd think there would be at least a boss. Grendyl's forces can hypothetically put together a 4-psyker force so you'd think the 6th could have one as a treat

[fierce marten]

Wells chaos psykers tend to get possessed by demons or sacrificed, if they're not space marines they're probably not living long

Or blown up

I also imagine they're busy making another daemonhost

They must be real good at making a bunch of failed ones fast

[flint moss]

yeah being a chaos-aligned psyker only works out for you if you are a space marine

[tough compass]

Eh. There are non-space marine chaos psykers even if they don't live a long time. and they don't need to if they are going to be coming into contact with the PCs

[fierce marten]

Well id expect because they're rarer they're working on rituals rather than risking their lives

A summoned daemon would be stronger than a handful of cultist and all that, let alone a continous flow of daemons being brought here.

[marsh gyro]

Who's stronger, 1 daemon or yelling at it to hoot the karkin' booty

[heavy geyser]

Are all the daemonhosts not chaos psykers?

that's the psyker enemy type

[marsh gyro]

I thought the daemonhosts were just psykers the Inquisition just left hanging around Atoma like the Wizard's shotguns

[fierce marten]

Many times they're unwilling

Also the psyker is basoically dead once the daemon takes hold, you're facing a daemon moreso than you are a psyker

[spiral badger]

Daemonhosts are just any random schmuck with a daemon shoved into them, they dont have to be psykers

[fierce marten]

They do have to be psykers

[spiral badger]

A possessed psyker is technically different than a daemonhost. Daemonhosts are artificially created

No, they dont. Daemonhost ritual works on anybody in theory

[fierce marten]

Part of the theory is you can turn a person intoo a psyker enough

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Daemonhost

[spiral badger]

I don't see anywhere where the victim becomes a psyker. The demon manifests psychic phenomena once bound because its, you know, a demon

[drowsy tusk]

She host on my deamon till I venting shreik

[fierce marten]

That page describes how a daemonhost has to be a psyker

Turning someone not a psyker into one, im less sure on.

[spiral badger]

No, it says the body has to be psychically attuned, which is what thr ritual is for

Not a psyker

[heavy geyser]

i'm not wicked i'm not i'M NOT

[spiral badger]

Yeah the daemonhosts we fight are particularly rude ones because the original soul has not been evacuated

Which is normal ("normal") procedure

[sonic elbow]

you might be thinking of the grey knight situation

where they're daemonhosted then banished to make them uhhh, them

[distant surge]

any dumpstats for hellbore lasgun? should i get a more balanced spread on that one? what are thy suggestions friends?

[spiral badger]

The core technical difference between a daemonhost and a possessed psyker is technically the daemonhost is bound to the control of the summoner

[marsh gyro]

All the stats are pretty good but if you snap aim good you can skip stability

[distant surge]

dang

in that case i'll try going for an all 76% one

[marsh gyro]

The stat spread of reject royalty

[distant surge]

i do have tons of money

but i see what u mean

i`ll just go with this one

[marsh gyro]

Yeah that one's a good one

[drowsy vine]

that ain't GK

it's the Exorcists chapter

[white rover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651054293796782111/1399509619784548454/psykerfreeze.gif

[frigid saffron]

I saw an older message saying that there's a darktide role? Which channel or bot do I ping to get that?

[drowsy tusk]

#bot-stuff and type ? rank darktide_rejects without a space between question mark and rank

[fierce marten]

Me trying to drink a slush and edging the brain freeze (I am bad at this and often get brain freeze), worth though

[frigid saffron]

thank you

[mint yew]

finally, I can take good grenades again

honestly taser dog isn't so bad, but it's no shock mine

[spiral badger]

Remote det is good tho

It just requires knowing where your dog happens to be which does admittedly make it less good for a panic button

[marsh gyro]

Being able to delete a rager or gunner pack out of LOS is its own reward

[sonic elbow]

naming my dog Abelard was on my list

of the Abelard, cut off his balls fame

[sacred pagoda]

Dogsplosion

[distant surge]

Ok uhhh

I just tried out the funny kriegsman lasgun

I dont think i ever ran out of ammo

[flint moss]

700+ shots will do that

[fierce marten]

Basically a rave light

One gun id want is a those gaunt lasguns thats basically kills the entire battery with one massive shot

THe lasgun single barrel

[mint yew]

got the pile of plasteel from the event and immediately sunk all of it into getting a bunch of my less favourite weapons levelled up

going to need to save up some more to rush the Assault Chainsword since it's not my style

Crusher feels way better when you throw greens from Brunts at it until you can get tier 4 perks and blessings

[drowsy vine]

Starting to become more and more of a Helbore fan

Incredible weapon if you can wrangle it

[marsh gyro]

One tapping gunners all day rules turns out

[drowsy vine]

(or you use mods to add optics and advance in tech level a few decades)

[drowsy vine]

with Focus Target the light version can one tap everything that isn't carapace armoured in the head - dreg ragers do take like 5 stacks, you can upgrade to the medium version if you really want to solve that

[marsh gyro]

Ragers kind of bob around a bunch so I don't mind body shots there yeah

[drowsy vine]

medium two taps dregs to the body, yup

[distant surge]

i got pretty good with head shooting scab ragers

specially when they come close

helbore can one shot them so its worth it!

[opaque crown]

I desperately want to love the helbore, but I just repel off of it

I often prefer to use the high power lasgun

But I also want that bayonet

Maybe I just need the right build for it

Or maybe it's just not for me

[drowsy tusk]

Maybe try a light helbore with a high charge rate? That sounds in line with your tastes from what you said here

[marsh gyro]

Medium helbore with Armourbane and Surgical might be the play

[tough compass]

I've been manually leveling all the weapons and it has helped me appreciate a bunch of them (and the helbore in particular) more

I still don't understand the ripper gun though

Should I be using the rock with it? I am trying to get the big grenade achievement with it

[mint yew]

I have found I like weapons way more when I dump 150k ducats and 1.5k plasteel into zooming them up to double figure levels before playing them

a lot of really good weapons feel bloody useless when they're on the wrong mark with no good perks

[tough compass]

That probably also helps. But forcing myself to use them to the point I get better at them has also helped

[marsh gyro]

There's a couple ways to ripper good, Can Opener/Inspiring barrage is a good utility pick for melee or tank, flechette/cavalcade is fun on gungryn, blaze away/deathspitter is great gunner blasting

I like the fast firing one because it's the most accurate when braced and goes good with the "bigger bonus more you shoot" blessings but the other ones do do huge damage up close

[tough compass]

I think I often get confused at close range weapons because, with notable exceptions like the Flame Thrower, that's what my melee weapon is for

I also wish the ripper gun was single shot instead of burst

[sonic elbow]

is there any weapon that actually wants weakspot damage+ btw?

the math on that is too much for my attention span but it doesn't seem like a good perk

[tough compass]

A lot of the weapon perks are pretty bad aiui

But I don't think they've ever been touched with a balance pass?

[opaque crown]

Iirc there IS a version of the ripper that is single shot when braced

[tough compass]

I should figure out which one that it. I also wish there was better information about what mark does what when choosing one. Or, at the very least, you could inspect a weapon from the mark switching page

[drowsy tusk]

I really like a sorta hybrid of the two with flechette and can opener for melee builds with the damage resist based on number of bleeding enemies, spray ripper gun into crowd, then charge in and bayonet the big stuff and swap to melee to clean up

[heavy geyser]

Helbore bayonet used to be the fastest captain shield popper in the game before they nerfed the speed.

[opaque crown]

Rn I think my psu is dying so I can't really play darktide (guaranteed computer crash after a bit of play) but I'll try running the helbore more once I can

[marsh gyro]

If you do run Armourbane brittleness, Crushers can be zapped twice from the hip then bayonetted real good

[distant surge]

what does brittleness do?

[marsh gyro]

It's like Rending the whole team can use

It also stacks with rending though brittleness caps out at 16 stacks of 2.5% for 40% extra armor bust (except flamer/inferno penetrating flames is a separate 20% on top and Veteran melee crit brittleness is another separate 20% for potentially 80%)

[distant surge]

nice

[fierce marten]

Do monstrosities have armor or is brittleness not useful for them

I never thougth if unyielding provided any armor like carapace or flak did

[sonic elbow]

odd

from psykhanium testing it seems that shredder pistol has considerably more stagger when ADS

[marsh gyro]

Monstrosities count as Unyielding so if a gun does less than 100% damage to unyielding then brittleness / rending add to that number to get it to 100 then anything after 100 is straight damage bonus at 25% efficacy e.g. a gun with 100% base damage to unyielding shooting a 40% brittle monstrosity gets a 10% more damage bump while a gun with 60% rending (like hand cannon revolver) shooting same target is getting 25% more damage past 100% because (40+60)/4=25%

[fierce marten]

I see, does that include innate damage reduction? Iirc monstrosities have a ranged damage modifer of .5 or higher on all body parts.

[marsh gyro]

The damage reduction from shooting like a beastie tail is at the end of the calculation, rending/brittleness set up the base damage going in

Same kinda way how dogs and mutants and flamers/bombers take triple melee damage

[fierce marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJbEatXEGY

Confirmed no space marines even as allies

Space Marines would mean Atoma is beyond saving

[wintry plaza]

Unsurprising

[tough compass]

"Space Marines means Aroma is beyond saving" is a weird position to me. But it makes sense they don't want to do Space Marines for the other stated reason (they want it to be more normal level humans). Though the PCs are definitely more than human level capable, ha

[fierce marten]

We're definitel.y not normal, when I heard everyday normay imperial citizen I remembered stabbing a beast of nurgle to death

We're like pretty high on the baseline human totem in terms of what we did

[fierce marten]

The interview seemed to suggest GW had a heavy hand in darktide from authorizing like map design to lore written. Im surprised they'd let an IP not have a named ultramarine somewhere

[mint yew]

<@&1042950387478560878> who wants to join me on auric maelstrom

[flint moss]

GW when no ultramarine:
[pretend i posted a gif of a BoN vomiting]

[heavy geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082026299536719922/1400305209565249657/dogspin.mp4?ex=688c275a&is=688ad5da&hm=0a2dedb7182693e4e5b9dfc828588d611bcd09ef7fef3429ec959771c004def2&

[fierce marten]

Shame it was a pox hound

I like how dogs make plague Ogyrn spin

[heavy geyser]

wincing at the 8m30s comment

"What if you made it infinitely unique and different every time!" noooo don't say those words

[fierce marten]

Listening to mortis dialogue, apparently when Morrow was not frozen the Grey Knights scoured Atoma?!

[dawn totem]

Iant it the same reason why we might not see Sisters of Battle? Like that's a bad sign for everyone?
Still holding out for Ratlings eventually.

[marsh gyro]

We'll probably see the Sisters and Marines in the Dance Party DLC in 2027

[opaque crown]

still holding out for ratlings too

[tough compass]

Ratlings are hard for map design reasons

But maybe they will get a hilarious clamber animation

[opaque crown]

yeah i know its what they said, but im still holding out, maybe thats copium

but i think it would be cool

[tough compass]

A "ratling" that is a normal human raised by ratlings

[sonic elbow]

had the most painful team combination possible: a rusher and a corner decor inspector

[flint moss]

:(

[heavy geyser]

Give Ratlings the Veteran-exclusive cover aim mechanic. Problem solved.

[fierce marten]

Ratling of unusual size

According to the interview arbites was 1 of 3 options they mulled over for a very long time

And by mulled over they prototype'd it so there's a tiny bit of work done for the other 2 options

[opaque crown]

ratling may be an option once vet gets a rework

[sonic elbow]

surprisingly enjoying empowered brain burst

it's rather one note but hey I get to go nuh-uh at gunner and rager packs no matter what my ranged weapon is, and with the rest of my build I'm not afraid to spam it on non-elites

[marsh gyro]

It's so nice and cycles so fast

[fierce marten]

Empowered brain burst in mortis trials, good stuff

[regal pendant]

Replaying Vermintide 2

I feel Bardin's steam gun would work well as a replacement ult for Vet

Give folks the hotshot lasgun we've been wanting and replace a lackluster skill with something proper nice

[spiral badger]

I've argued for WAR FUNDING instead

with a melta

[distant surge]

hmmmm.....not cryptic enough for 40k human tech

[quiet escarp]

Ah, but you assume that being able to read isn't an esoteric skill in itself among Hive labourers

[crystal sluice]

i mean you don't need to read for this. red is bad. green is good

[sonic elbow]

green like orks? I don't think so

[quiet escarp]

Orks, poison gas, Nurglish boils? Clearly the bad side. Holy flames, pure human blood, the crimson robes of the tech priests? Clearly the good side

[crystal sluice]

but khornates love red. orkz too. both colors are bad? shoot the gauge

[sonic elbow]

looking at my locked achievements

why would I do that

[spiral badger]

Because its funny

The original penances were mostly designed as weird things you had to go out of your way to do

[tough compass]

Yeah

It would make more sense if it was for the Zealot blade or Orgyn rock

[spiral badger]

People really hated that so the new ones are almost all "you'll get this by playing this thing as intended"

[tough compass]

Though you might do it when trying to rez someone I guess

[spiral badger]

Which honestly, kind of a shame, I wish we still got some goofy ones

[tough compass]

I think "do cool thing" is a cooler achievement. But it sucks when it has progression locked behind it

[spiral badger]

I would go for like a 40m bean to the face with the arbites grenade

[sonic elbow]

yeah there's a lot of funny achievements but this one stuck out to me as a particular waste of grenade and time for some reason

like, there's a psyker achievement for killing an elite by overloading

and that's funny

[spiral badger]

It used to be three

[tough compass]

Three was kind of ridiculous

[mortal crystal]

Used to be like 5

and the explosion used to be way weaker

I did the no hit run one for Vet back when toughness always had bleed through

[tough compass]

Wait, when did they change toughness bleedthrough?

Oh wait, there was a bug for a bit where >100 toughness did something weird with bleedthrough right?

[crystal sluice]

yea

[tough compass]

That's pretty impressive

[crystal sluice]

it checked if your toughness was at 100% or less so if you had more toughness to talents or whatever it'd get confused

cause it'd count that toughness as above 100%

[sonic elbow]

pox geyser missions got me tweaking

[opaque crown]

which helbore is the medium/ is it hte one with the knife swing?

cause then i cant

[heavy geyser]

this achievement unlocks the best penance pants. baggy black pants with the St. Chucks

look good with everything

[regal pendant]

Man

I hope Dan Mersh gets rehired to voice whatever new characters we get at some point

[spiral badger]

he's around actually

the armory servitor is him

as are the traitor captains

[regal pendant]

Oh shit nice

[fierce marten]

Thats why there's gold in the middle, just like the armor of the emperora

[drowsy tusk]

The achievement predates either being added to the game

[distant surge]

im in love with lasguns

[wintry plaza]

Glad someone does

[distant surge]

someone said helbore aint good for havoc...that makes me sad if true

[wintry plaza]

I haven't seen one in a high level video in a while

[distant surge]

i see

well i do like going recon at least

[wintry plaza]

You play on havoc?

[distant surge]

with the recon? yeh

[marsh gyro]

There's just a ton of constant dudes on Havoc 25+ so you need really good melee and monstrosity damage and Helbore Vet doesn't really have the best anti-monstrosity melees to compensate for big dude blasting

[distant surge]

currently at assignment 10

[wintry plaza]

Nice

[sonic elbow]

yeah hellbores are in a tough spot because there's a good number of guns that can be built to do their job better

but buffing hellbores in any obvious way (to the point of competitiveness with those) would break something

very fine line between their current state and death star laser

kinda the dueling sword conundrum but at least it's a bunch of guns sharing roughly the same top tier

[spiral badger]

some of it is the lasguns and also vigilant autoguns in general are designed for a use case that just isn't as big a problem as it once was

which is ammo-efficiently picking off shooters

[sonic elbow]

yeah...

[spiral badger]

that used to be much more valuable because shooters were the Big Problem

but now it's armor

[sonic elbow]

I really dislike the current elite clown car balancing

the game still plays great because the bones are there

but everything revolving around the 6 crushers question is just, turbo lame?

also this means that builds that can blow up the crusher clown car are the ones that feast so they're all you see

which in effect means crushers do get blown up instantly

(all elite spam but I focus on crushers for comedic effect)

so their numbers not only fucked up build diversity but made them not matter anymore

I think it's been long enough since my last rant about this

I can get these, as a treat

[mint yew]

I don't mind smashing through big walls of armour but sometimes I do prefer a good gears of war section where you have to actually whip out the revolver or whatever

[fierce marten]

I agree, I hope they have elites threatening again without needing to double the amount thrown at us

[flint moss]

that might be what the recent event is for

[distant surge]

I'll keep using helbore on normal auric missions just in case they buff it

I dont like plasma gun idk how to manage the ammo on that thing

[drowsy vine]

I honestly disagree, imo the Helbores are secretly cracked rn and the only thing holding them back is Vet itself

It's already a death star laser if you run the numbers

[fierce marten]

What makes it cracked?

[marsh gyro]

It's stong stabs and super strong gunner kills

Being able to delete infinite gunners super fast rules

[fierce marten]

Infinite gunners?

[marsh gyro]

Well, infinite gunners sequentially

[drowsy vine]

Helbores have incredibly good breakpoints - even with just the typical straightforward Vet build with the MkV helbore, the fastest charging one, you one tap all light elites with a full charged shot to the head. With +Maniac%, you one tap all specialists the same way except Mutants, who die in two headshots, and two tap dreg ragers to the body. With the Armourbane blessing, you can 3 tap Maulers in the head and 3 tap crushers if you have 8 stacks of the lingering Focus Target damage buff

And even with all that the boss damage is incredibly solid for a ranged weapon, while being incredibly ammo efficient

[drowsy vine]

see here

[drowsy vine]

This is even with a lower charge rate than a maxxed out one lol

[fierce marten]

It seems similar to bolter in those regards

But one extra shot to kill and shoots faster

[drowsy vine]

With massively better recoil and draw speeds, not to mention a magazine over 50% larger even without counting Shock Trooper

[fierce marten]

Shock Trooper would give it the magazine edge, without it its similar since bolter one shots all but mutants/maulers/crushers/monsters

[drowsy vine]

No it's not

MkV charged shots take 4 rounds each

[marsh gyro]

It does wound me that Havoc groaners/poxwalkers get enough a hit mass edge that bolter no longer cleaves through them without cleave buffs

[fierce marten]

I forgot it had a slow draw, mostly use it on zealot

Pain of Havoc

[drowsy vine]

106 ammo capacity, 4 rounds per charged shot, rounds out to 26 charged shots and 1 normal shot per magazine

[marsh gyro]

Surgical shock trooper is just cheating

And if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying for da grimperor

[fierce marten]

But does it require charged shot for 1-2 shots

[drowsy vine]

yeah

[fierce marten]

If it takes an extra shot to kill what it takes bolter 1 then it kills 15 ragers body shot and helbore you kill 13 ragers. I assume its reload is faster than bolter

[drowsy vine]

you are nnnnnot killing ragers with one shot

with the bolter

[fierce marten]

I was with arbites

[drowsy vine]

Arbites is an awful point of comparison

Let's be real

[tough compass]

I am mildly annoyed at the unholster(?) animation of the helbore because you can skip a lot of it in a way that feels weird

[fierce marten]

I mean to say its cracked id say you got to look at all options

[drowsy vine]

You have so many damage nodes its unreal

[fierce marten]

Like this is what I consider cracked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbo9nhvnPCM

[drowsy vine]

Sure, but like

[fierce marten]

Or Plasma gun is cracked so its receiving a nerf

[drowsy vine]

Is there any point comparing what's clearly turbo busted to what I'm talking about?

Vet is the weakest class in the game in Havoc, once it gets attention I guarantee you the Helbore will be top tier

[distant surge]

Can't wait

[opaque crown]

i dont know what im doing wrong with my helbores

but they frequently struggle to one tap anything

maybe its my build too

should probably not bring it on my invis build

[marsh gyro]

Do you have Unyielding/Maniac on the perks? that helps a lot

If your Invis build goes down to middle tree for super gold marks that helps a ton

[opaque crown]

it does not, ok

i have a mostly middle build as well ill try running it on

effectively i have a shouty/grenade build thats my "generalist helper build" and then i have my often unused marksman build thats mostly left side

[heavy geyser]

helbore is cool

unfortunately so is the plasma gun

[opaque crown]

ive never really felt that obligation to use the other thing that strongly

like yeah sometimes thats there

but i just use what i feel like using

[heavy geyser]

It was the last Veteran weapon I leveled up and I was like, "oh."

I leveled Veteran on a Helbore build, I'm a believer.

But then I put a Plasma Gun together and it all made sense.

[shrewd kite]

Helbore is one of those guns that you need custom sights for imo

[heavy geyser]

The irons work fine. They make a FedEx arrow, but they're not everyone's bag.

Changing them is a taste more than a necessity.

[opaque crown]

I just like having the bayonet

If i could have the bayonet on the normal lasgun I would

[heavy geyser]

answer is simple! Become Ogryn!

[opaque crown]

ogryns my main actually xD

ironically the one gun i WANT a sweep melee option on has a flashlight on it for the ogryn

[heavy geyser]

I haven't leveled Rippers yet but I'm looking forward to the big man bayonet.

the secret of the Helbore sights is that whole big shape you're looking at, the angles on it place their point right on the front sight blade. The whole thing is one gigantic triangle you point at heads. It works great for this.

[regal pendant]

Y'know what I'd kill for for a force greatsword skin

A Swiss saber themed one

[sonic elbow]

hunk of metal is essential to the psyker's self image

how are the others going to know they're not just a NERD without slab

[regal pendant]

This is true, but counter: The Loner would not be caught dead with some unrefined slab of metal

[opaque crown]

How big is a Swiss saber actually though? Remember how big the relic greatsword is?

[regal pendant]

Roughly longsword sized

And the force greatsword is much slimmer than the relic sword, much more analogous to a real-life greatsword or a particularly long longsword

...man

Coming to Darktide after returning to Vermintide a while really does make the game feel like a piece of cake

No more random trash mob hitting me once for like a tenth of my HP, no more boss mobs that are a giant pain in the ass to fight, no more instant transmission assassins that just teleport on top of you, no more hook rats that grab you through five other rats and drag you around

Toughness alone just makes things feel so much less tense

[sonic elbow]

I feel the other way

temporary HP is toughness+++

I have vermintide builds that get hit on purpose - in fact I think that's the standard way to play merc kruber

unthinkable in darktide because HP is lost forever

[opaque crown]

Tbf, slave rats on the highest difficulty definitely can still smack you for like a 3rd of your health

[heavy geyser]

The force greatsword does some amount of twirling which I fear a basket hilt might get in the way of.

[fierce marten]

Vermontide if you have good temp HP generation you just basically have infinite EHP, darktide your EHP is definitely very finite when a crusher downs you.

You're also more evasive in darktide's de with shoves and slides

[heavy geyser]

Are there gunner equivalents in Vermintide?

[fierce marten]

Vermintide you move slower and don't have as many tools to avoid damage and taking hits is less punishing

[drowsy vine]

yeah but they're specialists and generally a lot less dangerous due to how ranged works in that game + a bunch of audio telegraphs

a bunch of ranged weapons are tuned to be specialist destroyers and ratling gunners have to stand still to do their job, and have a wind up

[opaque crown]

Does a heavy sword feel right for an Inquisitor themed veteran build?

Figure stealth/ melee + bolt pistol or bolter

[fierce marten]

Also many vermintide ranged options have ways to regen or not use ammo so there's basically no penalty to just shooting packs of ranged enemies compared to darktide if you don't have a vet your ammo is finite as all you get is from the map drops.

[drowsy vine]

Yup