dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[mortal crystal]

And while yes the Exterminator imo is just better than the normal combat shotguns, it can only be used on a single class.

[marsh gyro]

Agripinaa shotgun is wild with the Terminus Warrant, the slugs go outta control with 30 stacks

[opaque crown]

I haven't tried shotguns since the buff, I just know that the exterminator feels significantly more powerful than pre buff shotguns

[lost cave]

Also people were right. The gore is a... bit overtuned right now. An autogun should not cut someone in half.

[fierce marten]

2 boops for Skullcrusher then dog and bolter is wild nice boss damage

Exterminator is fun but bolter boss MVP

[brazen fossil]

The new shotguns go really hard

All classes now can have a really good shotgun build

[drowsy vine]

thats what ive been sayin

[brazen fossil]

The arbites shotguns are really damn good in a given role but I find myself running the fire shotgun the most

Just a good ol trusty combat shotgun

[drowsy vine]

The buffed combat shotguns also let you run at pistol speed

Which is stonks

[brazen fossil]

Absolutely

Executioner stance also goes really hard with them

[sonic elbow]

my executioner birdshot build rising from its "why are you running this we are kicking you" grave like

that scene of constantine going to heaven

[marsh gyro]

Bleed build Zarona combat shotgun (Flechette + Scattershot) is doing hard work on helping me climb past Havoc 21 and up, though the 25% ammo node makes a noticeable difference

[regal pendant]

Oh shit are the combat shotguns not subpar anymore?

[marsh gyro]

They got about 25% more ammo and 25% more damage on the buck shot and now cleave double to triple the dudes

[heavy geyser]

I put a marksman's focus agripiina shotgun build together

The tests look like it rips, I gotta run it to see it in action

[regal pendant]

Ogh

I'm gonna go give em a test run

[fierce marten]

Arbite's shotgun being a class exclusive shotgun is overall stronger but for other classes they're having a great time with new strong shotguns

[spiral badger]

the arbites shotgun is strong af per shot but has a lower ammo count in the chamber

[regal pendant]

Aye, and a decently long reload

[spiral badger]

so it would be less good on a lot of other classes anyway

[regal pendant]

...has an actually realistic ammo count lol, most pump actions only have room for like five or six shells anyway

[spiral badger]

veteran would probably love to have it

[fierce marten]

As it should be for a class exclusive, arbites has a ton of cleave nodes that make those shots count and cut hordes

[spiral badger]

it's got either 5 or 4 shells by default

depending on variant

[fierce marten]

Weapon spec vet drooling

[spiral badger]

but weapon spec vet with the heavy standard shotgun mark right now is really good, genuinely

[fierce marten]

I wonder what's the lowest mag/longest reload combat shotgun variant is and if what kind of wep spec combo I could do

[spiral badger]

because the increased cleave lets him blast specialists through shit

and it vaporizes hordes

bring a chainaxe or tacaxe for armor

[marsh gyro]

60% ammo fire shotgun has you

Accatran shotgun has 3.5 cleave base now on the attack buck shot so you can get two scab melee mooks if one is staggered but if you run Deathspitter you can get up to 4.6 or so and blast two gunners at a time

[spiral badger]

yeah it's very satisfying blasting a group of shotgunners with manstopper and watching it give me 5-6 kills

[fierce marten]

I've been crusher gaming on arbites and the 75% cleave on push node alongside other cleave nodes makes the horde clear stupid strong. You can easily one shot a whole line of poxwalkers, and swing through a dozen armored scab mooks

It's like always powered relic blade levels of cleave

[marsh gyro]

Arbitrator being the cleave class was not what I expected and I greatly enjoy it

[fierce marten]

It's a strong and safe horde clear class

And the way it deals with tougher enemies is cc. Then your teammates can kill the bosses. Arbites isn't a slacker with bosses but when vet and zealot can one shot crushers and chunk bosses (or 1 shot for zealot) it's not good at everything

[distant surge]

Arbites fun when stuff is leveled up

[spiral badger]

arbites are actually hypergood against bosses if you build for it, but it comes at a cost

specifically you go bolter castigator arbites and Blammo them

but it's ammo hungry and you lose out on a lot of more convenient advantages

they're also mad good against captain type enemies in general

the big weakness is honestly that if you get caught with your cop pants down you can get got very fast

because you lack immediate emergency buttons for some situations and your defense is dependent on hitting things

[distant surge]

Cop pants

[spiral badger]

the only of their actives good in a "oh fuck there's a bunch of reapers shooting me suddenly" situation is castigator and that's mostly just keeping you aliveish until you fastwalk to cover

maaaaaaaybe charge if there's somewhere you can reach that's safe

or if you can reach the reapers

[distant surge]

i do love bolter cop tho

Super fun to play

[spiral badger]

and since they don't have gold toughness or ogryn advantages they can get pinned and picked apart sometimes

(psyker, well, psyker is off in their own world playing defense a different way)

[frigid saffron]

arbities has more boss shredding than just "Bolter castigator"

[spiral badger]

yes but they're not hypergood at it

[frigid saffron]

bleed dog is competetive with bolter castigator fym

[spiral badger]

they have options, it's just not to the scale of an optimized vet or zealot except for if they also optimize for it

bleed dog is pretty good too but a tad too unreliable in my experience

admittedly i'm judging in havoc where the darn problem is you have like 5 bosses

so bleed dog tends to unintentionally spread damage

[frigid saffron]

I mean I'm not playing havoc 40 but bleed dog still works in havoc 20+

[spiral badger]

versus being able to focus down the priority target

yeah I am playing havoc 40 so take my opinions from that perspective

[frigid saffron]

fair enough

[marsh gyro]

Yeah they really need to fix the thing where only 2 boss life bars show at once because when there's a daemonhost ritual, twin captains, and a chaos spawn grabbing everything I need to know what those shields are doing

[distant surge]

Havoc sounds like a clusterfuck

[marsh gyro]

There's a certain rhythm to it because the captain spawns are based on distance in the level so if you keep pushing you know it'll keep throwing them at you

[worldly talon]

okay

Gave a combat shotgun manstopper, flechette, +maniacs and +crit chance

I was wrong

That was incredibly satisfying

[signal current]

We’re loving arbites tbh. The shock maul + shield is so good for staggering enemies and then smashing them away

Plus you get a lot of nodes & weapon traits for damage against staggered

[tough compass]

They are pretty fun. I hope it's not because they are overtuned

I don't really get the shot pistol. But maybe that plus the melee shield at the same time was a mistake

[marsh gyro]

Shot pistol is really good single target deletion so it goes great with a cleave-y melee like a shock maul or chain sword

Shield and maul is good, it's just kind of slow on the run so if running double shield try a shotpistol with run n gun

[signal current]

Oh right we just remembered what we wanted to do

<@&1042950387478560878> anyone willing to help us complete the last few campaign missions? We’re attempting to do it on heresy so we can unlock the higher difficulties and it’s being a bit of a slog

[split mantle]

o/

[regal pendant]

I'm down

Maybe I can finally complete Malleus Monstrum too

[signal current]

Cool we’ll hop into Horus vc

[regal pendant]

I'll not be physically speaking, I never feel like doing so

[signal current]

That’s fair

Will post our friend code once we get the game to work

[regal pendant]

LMFAO

[signal current]

4558148862

[fierce marten]

I think it's the very varied and good build variety. Imo there isn't a most optimized build and the "meta" ones being like bleed grenadog, doggoless grenarbites, bleed, bolter blasting who have very different trees yet there isn't a clear superior one which I think is a sign of good balance.

Whereas like zealot/veteran the builds people take share 90% of the same talents

Each build is top tier but I'd say on par with other top tier builds like, chorus zealot, shout veteran, or Ogyrn. But the build crafting variety is real good, you get top tier builds from very different talent choices

[finite nymph]

Wait what are the talents 90% of vets take

[finite nymph]

Ah good I remain a special snowflake

Shout is Boring sorry devs

[regal pendant]

I use it because I'm a CQC vet and it's useful, not because it's meta

Also because the voice lines are funny

[finite nymph]

Also I need more reload speed for my stupid revolver

The voice lines are some of the most tempting part

[fierce marten]

Shout is boring but it just works and gives the nice gold toughness

[regal pendant]

PUT THA KARKIN BOOT IIIIIIIIIIIIIN

[tough compass]

I think it's pretty funny that by default the command shout doesn't buff your teammates.

[regal pendant]

Wish it had more interesting augments and that the gold toughness was just the baseline standard

Like debuffing enemies

[finite nymph]

A shout that hurts you, commisar style

[fierce marten]

The vet build I use is one that's cookie cutter

I also really like wep spec, I am not reloading on a vet

Reloading is for the other classes

[regal pendant]

Switching to your secondary melee is faster than reloading

[finite nymph]

But the animation is so lovingly detailed

[fierce marten]

Psyker bubble is by default a wall

It's not even a large wall

[fierce marten]

Reload speed says, nah hurry up

Don't need animation, need bullets now

[finite nymph]

Bolth

[soft summit]

Who's the next class gonna be

Skitarri?

[spiral badger]

NOT ONE STEP BACK

[tough compass]

I think tech-adept would make more sense than skitarii? Kind of depends on how often they want to deviate from the "reject" type of background?

Hmm, does "Close Kill" imply "ranged kill"?

(For the Arbites "Up Close" talent)

[marsh gyro]

Close kills are kills under 12.5 meters and melee counts so it's pretty cool

[marsh gyro]

Rejects are good at ignoring commands

[split mantle]

empty end screen

[regal pendant]

It's my space wizard magic

I turned us all invisible

[split mantle]

😌

[regal pendant]

"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!!!!!!!"

[signal current]

Friend code for any future joiners

[fierce marten]

To add onto this, 12.5 meter is longer than you expect in this game.

Basically unless you're on the train or bridge sniping from one edge to another most kills will be close kills

[marsh gyro]

Notably, Trappers can shoot their net from 15 meters and that is too dang long, that is 50 feet

[fierce marten]

For reference close kill range is spawn point of psykh to the mauler/scab gunner is 14-15m

It's wonky cause some cclose" is 8m and some is 15m iirc

[marsh gyro]

It used to be 8m for the most part and 12m for some stuff and they standardized it to 12.5m for all close stuff

[fierce marten]

Ah I see

[regal pendant]

Almost got a clutch

Unfortunately, game elected to let me know I wasn't allowed to play, actually

Rodin needs more moves beyond "Shoot" and "Lay mines" tbh, when he's shooting you you get very few opportunities to counterattack and he always ends up covering the floor in mines

...though tbh a decent chunk is just a skill issue on my part

[marsh gyro]

There's a little delay before the mine goes off so if you're bold you can dart in to punch then back off

[regal pendant]

Bit harder to pull off when there's a thick clump of them

[marsh gyro]

Oh yeah then in that case just dive through them to the other side

[signal current]

Wamly you coming back or are you off?

[regal pendant]

I'm off, yeah

Wanna take a nap a while, I'm weirdly tired

[signal current]

Sounds good, eep well

Well if anyone wants to join we have a 4th slot

[fierce marten]

Yea you can slide through the shots

If you're trying to revive though, thats another story

[lost cave]

Is the stun shell version or brittle shell version better for the arbites shotgun?

[marsh gyro]

They do different things pretty much - the stun shell enables electrocute damage bonuses for the team, the brittle shell adds 30% brittleness on direct hit (out of a cap of 40%) which the team loves and might already have, I like them both

[sonic elbow]

doubling up on brittleness is rarely needed because of how easy it is to apply liberally if you spec into it, but having one player with it is a huge game changer over none

[mortal crystal]

Stun shotgun is disgusting for (and arguably the best weapon for) hordes. Brittleness shell trades the horde busting for really solid single target damage allowing you to deal with crushers and enemies at longer ranges (where stun struggles)

What's best is what every you need out of your gun in the build

[marsh gyro]

The default horizontal spread on the Mk 3 shotgun is super handy

[mortal crystal]

They're both valid choices for the right builds and while fulfilling large and valuable niches.

[fierce marten]

Very nice to see a weapon where there's no clearly stronger mark, and marks are more different than damage/rate of fire/reload.

[sonic elbow]

combat shotguns being significantly different in stats beyond the special shell was a nice surprise
probably still is a surprise because I was about the only user of them prior to the buff

[fierce marten]

Mk3 into castigator with cleave nodes lets you absolutely mulch hordes it's like a mini shotgun rumbler, very fun.

I run mk8 cause brittleness is good for crushers and bosses and that's what I lack in my gren-arbites

[sonic elbow]

curious, what would you say is the best class to round out a 3 arbites lobby

as that is a very common sight

I'm thinking psyker because between 3 arbites you gotta have boss damage, elite and special sniping and CC covered, statistically speaking

[fierce marten]

Zealot with thammer

Kills bosses and crushers, which arbites is slower at by comparison

Well unless you do bolter arbites, assuming ammo is not an issue

[marsh gyro]

Ogryn offers a lot of debuffs with damage taunt that Arbitrator really likes

[distant surge]

i just thought of a funny bork themed name for my arbites

"All Cops Are Borkers"

[sonic elbow]

I wonder if you can make Shaggy in the editor

[marsh gyro]

Trying to port some of the Arbitrator builds to Veteran has been illuminating because it turns out Arbitrator gets a ton of free damage from the tree for existing and Veteran has like 2 10% nodes and 30% weak point node and the melee finesse node and that's pretty much it for direct damage

[heavy geyser]

I've been trying a similar thing and what I'm finding works is zarona shotgun and a crit build with the stamina-eating ADS crit node, wepspec and supporting talents

zarona with manstopper and scattershot, the special spread round is useful for jumpstarting the crit loop with scattershot and wepspec swaps and then manstopper can sustain it

[marsh gyro]

I wound up running Zarona with Flechette and Scattershot on super tagging with Devil's Claw for general use and kraks for boss deletion and the points are real tight:

With the 15% team gain toughness node popping Infiltrate as a circuit breaker gives the team about 40 toughness so it's like a discount Shout

[heavy geyser]

I think this is what I settled on? I need to doublecheck

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the weapon spec reload speed is super nice since the swap gets you the 25% from having a round chambered and then 20% extra is real good

[heavy geyser]

wepspec putting a round in the pipe makes that top right node always proc

the reload speed is nice for quickly loading a special shell

which sets up the crit loop

I am running it with shovel so I feel like I need melee support. I coulda swore I afforded the weakspot node too, I'll have to turn my game on and see where I landed but I got something to work

I've been trying to make a trench fighter theme

I experimented with marksman's focus agripiina shotgun, that felt good in the meat grinder but in practice all the dogs knock heads around and its really dependent on landing headshots

[grave talon]

so what weapon should i use on my veteran if i wantn something that shoot fast ?

[frank igloo]

Recon lasgun or columnus (i think, its blue) infantry autogun

[marsh gyro]

Used to be called the Columnus infantry autogun, now it's the Vraks IIRC

[grave talon]

not the reinforced one ?

[marsh gyro]

The fast reinforced one is the Graia

[grave talon]

seemed to be verry dakka

[drowsy tusk]

Braced is also neat but infantry is a lot more versatile

[grave talon]

Ah...Graia... lot's of memories there

(I will finish what Captain Titus Began - Malum Cado)

[heavy geyser]

agripiina braced is the one that can punch through hordes

[drowsy tusk]

Upon my triumphant return I’d like to try a heavy braced build on arbi

[marsh gyro]

Can confirm this owns

[grave talon]

hum interesting ide (but i do like teh shotgun

i want it on my zealot)

[sonic elbow]

hmm, trying to decide on a voice for Shaggy

trying to decide which will be funnier

the fatalist would be a reasonable choice but maul is such a great surprise coming from shaggy

hmm
is the arbites campaign worth experiencing?

[marsh gyro]

Authoritarian sings a song occasionally and that's a Shaggy Thing to do

[marsh gyro]

It's 18 missions long and gets you to level 26 from level 1

[sonic elbow]

so about the same as normal

is it on the same level of wooden pointless cutscenes as the old

[marsh gyro]

Arbitrator class skips the trust cutscenes entirely and just gets voiceovers before and after each mission

[sonic elbow]

[marsh gyro]

The campaign missions are scripted a little different and have different voice overs from the generic runs too

[sonic elbow]

perfect

[drowsy tusk]

Like Zoinks scoob, tear his throat out

Need a mod that plays scooby laugh followed by eating sound effects from the show whenever the dog has a enemy pinned

[marsh gyro]

Ruh roh, Shaggy! Lexbreakers!

[heavy geyser]

the fit

[worldly talon]

I like it

and i'ma steal it

My curretn Veteran drip for my most-used build is

[heavy geyser]

Steal Her Look
Pants (Atonement Unit Commissary, very inexpensive)

thats a good look

[worldly talon]

Also with red bandanna

Until they make a proper Catachan outfit

[hushed glade]

Man

After power leveling arbites

I got back to veteran and I forgot how much I just adore it

Love my accatran

[heavy geyser]

I have to upsell the shovel weapon skins that don't fold. what they do instead of folding to make the spike come out is you just turn it flatside and bonk guys on the head with them. its extremely funny.

[flint moss]

the arbites update got me back into this game and i have to say
all thats missing is a "realistic policing" counter that goes up every time i shoot my dog

[spiral badger]

i go STOP RESISTING every time I start beating on a captain

[dawn totem]

I try to have multiple builds/costume looks for each weapon combo.

[fierce marten]

Turning off body cam when I bring out the crusher

Vox off

[marsh gyro]

And now there's 8 looks available instead of 5

[dawn totem]

I think I've got my Assail Psyker the way I like. Fast, lots of toughness and lots of ways to recharge it.

[distant surge]

Did every shotgun get a buff?

[split mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878> killing people? 🥺

we'll actually be like 5-10 but we're in vc

[signal current]

Yeah sure we’ll be on shortly

[tough compass]

I'll be on in a bit of you all are doing more missions

[fierce marten]

Anyone got a terminus warrant build for arbites?

The cleave seems insane, kind of want to take scattershot and Mk3 to like auric havoc and hope I get the free bullet on crit archetype

[marsh gyro]

I did a bunch of testing and the ranged cleave on Warrant is bugged right now so if they fix it in the hotfix next week it's gonna pop off so hard

[fierce marten]

RIP

[marsh gyro]

They acknowledged my bug report so fingers crossed

[regal pendant]

Staves need a like

[marsh gyro]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f460d68-2551-480e-83e2-065a780803dd/terminus-warrant-blammy-slam

[regal pendant]

Grace period between you charging up at 100% peril and you overloading

[marsh gyro]

This is what I use for the Terminus Warrant, it's pretty flexible though and works with shotpistol and regular revolver and the shotguns too

[regal pendant]

Like if you charge and it gets you to 100 peril it doesn't insta down you when you cast

[marsh gyro]

97% is the cutoff

[heavy geyser]

My understanding is that if you charge to 100 peril and you hold it it begins the explosion when you release it

and not the moment you hit 100

[marsh gyro]

Yeah like if you're at 90% peril and do a brain burst that puts you at 100, that's okay, if you charge and release the brain burst when at 100, that's a boomy

[heavy geyser]

• Charging and casting prevent you from sprinting, but you can dodge and dodge-slide to move around (and avoid getting hit). Smite has the same properties.
• Tapping the quell button causes you to quell one "tick" of peril. That's roughly 10-12 percent, and it happens very very quickly, so you can immediately go back to casting. It's a good idea to get used to threading those between casts. On many builds you want to stay at 80+ peril as much as possible.
• You only explode if you release a cast when already at 100 peril. For the fire staff in particular, you can charge up past 100, hold it as long as you like, and if you do release it you'll be able to finish the entire stream before entering the explosion state. That means you can start a full cast with about 5 seconds on your shriek timer and you'll be able to shriek before you finish exploding.
• If enemies are inside your bubble shield, the shield will instantly delete all of their bullets. This completely prevents Beast of Nurgle spit, flamethrowers, etc. Snipers will aim at you through the shield, but they won't fire. Bombs will bounce off of the shield, but their effects can reach inside it.

quoted from a psyker friend

[flint moss]

scriers gaze

[waxen patio]

these are all valid psyker tips. personally I cannot be assed to quell-cancel most of the time but it works great

[brazen fossil]

Important news

Max reload speed double barrel arbites works

And it works well

[fierce marten]

What's the max reload speed?

[heavy geyser]

Vet has two top-level reloads and then reload keystones

With either marksman or wepspec and a top node I've made shotgun reloads really fast

[grave talon]

i'm begining to like teh braced autogun

it goes dakka gdakka dakka

[sonic elbow]

ough I gotta mod my game again

life is starting to become unberable without mourningstar shortcuts

[waxen patio]

braced autogun is genuinely kinda neat for how much suppression it gives with just a handful of bullets, you don't even need to hit anyone and you can turn off 30 shooters for a few precious seconds

[sonic elbow]

got the loudener

I greatly enjoy autopistol for that and the stagger

it's not a good gun but it's a strongly inconveniencing gun, which is my style

packed horde wave? all of you are going to have a considerably worse day at the cost of a 1% of my ammo pool

with a decent build it's a very funny way to take down specialists and sometimes elites because it parts the horde like the red sea before sandblasting the actual target

I love my shitty gun

[brazen fossil]

The two reload blessings, the reload perk, all the reload nodes in the tree

It's some super diminished nonsense

But it shoots faster then the pump shotgun racks

[flint moss]

personally i find that bolt pistol countersniping is the funniest thing ive done with a gun so far

[marsh gyro]

Sending trip report that the newly buffed eviscerator rips

[fierce marten]

Bolt pistol is good for that it has a very generous hit box for killing snipers

[fierce marten]

Dang that's a lot of reload

[grave talon]

i use it on my psuker and zealot since they are more melee centric

[sonic elbow]

yeah the hitbox really gave me pause because I have an eye for what should and shouldn't hit so soon after picking it up I went "...ain't no way" and booted up psykanium to deliberately miss

conclusion: it is extremely hard not to get a headshot

[fierce marten]

Pretty much, ironic the best countersniper weapon is one that doesnt need good aim

[distant surge]

Hehe

[finite nymph]

I'm having trouble justifying the non-quickdraw revolver over the Bolt Pistol tbh

It just seems to do more damage more easily?

[grave talon]

what melle should is conscidered good on the veteran ?

[mortal crystal]

dueling sword is the best melee weapon in the game

so much so it's getting nerfed soon

[heavy geyser]

the fan-the-hammer revolver is, tragically, not worth the trouble compared to the bolt pistol.

[mortal crystal]

power sword is still really good

[heavy geyser]

it needs three blessings to get going

[mortal crystal]

and most of the generic human weapons are fine. I've levelled all the common pool weapons on vet in aurics and had a decent time with all of them

[sonic elbow]

sniper revolver has higher ceiling than bolt pistol but I haven't been keeping up with updates so maybe not anymore

bolt pistol is just super convenient and build agnostic

[worldly talon]

I'm trying to get full mastery on all my weapons now

Sadly the ones I have left are the ones I actively dislike. 😛

[heavy geyser]

bolt pistol is great for run & gun style

[marsh gyro]

Sniper revolver cleaves really good and still does thousands on crit with Hand Cannon blessing

[distant surge]

revolver is my favorite honestly

[grave talon]

how's the fit ?

[crystal sluice]

good but the fancy dueling saber is kinda clashing with the down-in-the-mud grizzled soldier aesthetic

[fierce marten]

What melee weapon do guardsmen get besides like a bayonet on their lasgun

A knife? Im gonna say a knife is more fitting aesthetic over DS

[opaque crown]

A knife, a shovel

[drowsy vine]

Depends on the Guardsman

[opaque crown]

A non powered sword

A hatchet

[drowsy vine]

Shovel works, knife works, specialist melee units can have a variety of lower tech options up to chainswords

If you're an officer you can have whatever

[worldly talon]

Depending on regiment

A reminder that the Catachan swords in-game are both A) Canon, and B) considered knives by the Catachans

[hushed glade]

wait

what the fuck is a Sainted weapon

there's red weapons?

[fierce marten]

If you see a screenshot of a red highlighted weapon in ventory it's a mod to match vermintide 2

Or it's the weapon skin, not entirely sure what you mean by red

[marsh gyro]

There aren't, it's just mod trickery

[hushed glade]

Damn

[fierce marten]

Said mod just marks fully upgraded weapons red and curios with max stats fully upgraded

[spiral badger]

ok 2 ogryn 2 arbites havoc 40 is insanely funny
armor groups and rager groups just disintegrate beneath a wall of bashing
some struggles with gunners but suppress and charge works most of the time

[fierce marten]

2 arbites and 2 Ogyrn is ragers/maulers is don't exist mode

[fierce marten]

I usually run grenarbites into havoc to yeet into gunner groups

The overhand throw has good reach and it moves fast

I might actually run gunner keystone doggo, basically everyone and their grandma is spec for elites/specialists in pub game so I am once again taking the mantle of gunner killer. First it was knife zealot and now it's dog that hates guns

[spiral badger]

and bosses

bosses also rapidly cease to exist

[fierce marten]

The one thing I find is a strong point towards grenades is that they stagger bosses

I stay back and save grenades when someone gets grappled or they're about to be hit by a charge that'll send them over the edge

[spiral badger]

yeah the more i've tried stuff the more I've kinda decided shock mines aren't as good as they seem

bc they tend to stun primarily chaff

[flint moss]

electrocution is potent but you need to be able to direct it to get the most out

this is why i dont play smite psyker

[marsh gyro]

Bosses on Havoc 40 have like 100k HP and there's like 7 per run so every bit of boss damage counts

[fierce marten]

Well smsyker the smite doesn't really need to be directed it's kind of just everything you see

Arbite's shock mines can only zap so much, which I'm not sure if it's random or it prioritizes elites/specialists

[marsh gyro]

The long throw time is pretty rough

Arbites grenades are a favorite because they delete gunner packs and dreg rager packs

[fierce marten]

Not sure why the mines take so long to throw, it's not even far

[heavy geyser]

They're meant to be pre-emptive rather than really good right-now crowd controllers, I think.

[fierce marten]

Even preemptive they don't really stun well, like only a quarter of the horde even in aurics gets stunned maybe and it'd probably mostly poxwalkers.

[opaque crown]

so i tried to make my mods work

and the game fails to launch any time i try

not sure what i need to do

[fierce marten]

The darktide mods discord has a channel smort folks who can trouble shoot mods

Otherwise well its turn off and on mods, or read crash log or dump files.

[opaque crown]

hmm even with every mod disabled, i think its the bat file

guess i gotta see if i can find an update

[hushed glade]

They stun everything up to crushers

But the main thing is that you can just decide an entire flank is not a problem for like 30 seconds

[fierce marten]

15s, 30s would be a massively stronger

I dont know about covering flank, the area is small and some enemies that move faster than normal can go past mines during the pause like ragers and trappers.

[sonic elbow]

I have an obsession with making smite good

so far I've come up with two things

• if you swap weapons just right smite inherits their properties, I'm yet to think up an use for this beyond applying puncture from bolt pistol
• scrier's gaze 10 seconds of full power smite I guess

oh I should add it's already pretty solid if you use it to throw this one scary guy in particular around instead of shutting down the horde, which is to everyone's detriment

but I want to see what else it can do with enough sideways thinking applied

[marsh gyro]

Using the Zealot chorus to walk through fires in the inferno event levels is pretty neat

[grave talon]

okay tiome to make recon las and executioner stance work

[regal pendant]

Turn yourself into a las-autocannon emplacement with this one wacky skill

[grave talon]

yes i love lmg and heavy weapon i will not aim for the head I will not aim just Dakka dakka dakka

(ork beahaviour)

[regal pendant]

NOW DAT'Z WOT I LIKE TO HEAR

[waxen patio]

smite's good it's just kinda one-dimensional a lot of the time

once got to run two smite psykers and two ogryns, and the psykers just constantly alternated electrocuting entire rooms whilst the big lads clubbed everything to death

worked great but wasn't very engaging

[grave talon]

i must say not a big fan of the revolver

[grave talon]

the question become combat blade or dueling sabre

okay combat blade sucks actually

[drowsy vine]

Whuh

No combat blade is really good

It's just not easy to use

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it's really reliant on the weak point hits for max stabbery

[distant surge]

Stab me i dare you

[fierce marten]

With gas events or fire chorus stays winning for keeping team aliveb

Combat Knife gets pretty close to DS in terms of how strong it is, the biggest advantage DS has is that it is strong while being super easy to use

[sonic elbow]

so called independent thinkers

[fierce marten]

Ive seen the infamous 4 super cyber dogs day 1, we all paid for deluxe

[grave talon]

so recon las + executioner stance is really funny

also i like deashot am i weird ,

[marsh gyro]

Yeah you can get the recon lasgun powerful enough with stance to one tap mooks on weak spot

[fierce marten]

Deadshot is good if you got a stamina regen node

Duck and Dive is one I like cause 30% stamina for avoiding ranged attacks via dodging, sprinting, or sliding nets you positive stamina to use

And aurics and beyond you're probably dodging gunfire by accident just avoiding melee hits theres always at least a gunner

Lets you basically be perma-deadshoting

[grave talon]

I wonder how it goes with the braced autogun

[regal pendant]

You know what you need to do to make it feel better

clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick

Just spam the everloving shit out of it

Its strength lies in flinging out like 500 swings in half a second, alongside the heavy attacks' weirdly insane damage

...god why do those heavies deal such fucknuts damage

[hushed glade]

Managed to get to the last fucking bit of the train mission for the first time

in a winning position

and my power goes out

[regal pendant]

Rippppppppppppppp

[sonic elbow]

game begging me to stop using my stupid autopistol

[heavy geyser]

autopistol is very fun

[signal current]

Alright time to complete the campaign

[sonic elbow]

gave mortis trials a try, pretty fun

not being as huge of a time investment as chaos wastes, and no super saiyan bosses, certainly helps

[cloud hazel]

mortis is comedy with any ogryn

but especially the ogrynheimers

[sonic elbow]

yeah I think our ogryn had infinite boxes

[cloud hazel]

thirteen coin flips on the 50/50 to get a second boom is a lot of boom

[sonic elbow]

my autopistol turned into a high damage stunlocking infinite ammo hose

I shot a chaos ogryn with it for a laugh and it actually got completely stunlocked

like, animation frozen

I imagine an actually good bullet hose like recon vet wouldn't need to ever touch melee

[opaque crown]

The multi box with regenerating nades is chef's kiss

I do also line the 20% OHKO rock

Just rolling the dice to delete a darmonhost or boss

[fierce marten]

No super saiyan bosses but it will send 5 monstrosities at once

It reminds me of havoc density but you get monster buffs

Grenade arbites with healing blast and someone with corruption healing aura is godly

Until everyone gets grabs at once and dies, good fun and not as much of a cake walk damnation is.

[soft summit]

what's the "optimal" build for Arbites so far?

[fierce marten]

Depends on dog or no dog

There are optimal builds but I wouldn't say dog or dogless is better they're pretty even on balance.

Dog it's usually a castigator into executioner order (nuncio temporarily as it's gltiched to provide 70% TDR instead of 30%).

Dogless it's grenades with break the line into forceful

[heavy geyser]

dog is better because it includes a dog, which dogless willfully omits

[fierce marten]

They leave their dog home to nap

Replace the bag of dog snacks with grenades

[marsh gyro]

Had a humdinger of a Shock Troop Gauntlet, Enclavum Baross just never quit sending folks in after getting bogged down in the middle bridge section and it went all the way to the finale; bless the Bull Butcher cleaver for never stopping never stopping

[spiral badger]

the only consensus I've seen is basically that terminus warrant (middle capstone) is definitely the worst

it's not even like, bad

just inferior to the other two options

oh and 70% cleave on push is a busted-ass node

[marsh gyro]

Terminus Warrant is gonna pop off I think once they fix the ranged cleave on it because it's easier to keep up than Forceful cleave

[marsh gyro]

Yeah you can get a casual +150% cleave constantly if you grab the 25% node, 50% forceful, 75% push and that's a lotta poxwalkers

[fierce marten]

It would become wild horde clear with the mk3 shotgun

It's wild now, someone showed off how much it mulches the hordes and has the quickest TTK for havoc 40 hordes. A lot of people are sleeping on mk3 exterminator because mk8 is a real accurate specialist killers

Which seems odd to me cause many people are using mk8 and the arbites shock maul which is like both strong target.

I run crusher for horde clear so I don't need mk3, but if I ran the arbites maul it'd definitely pick mk3

[spiral badger]

depends on keystone for me

forceful i def run mk3

[fierce marten]

Once forceful gets fixed, I want to redo my payday 2 horde mulcher shotgun where all the grunts within the center 1/3rd of my screen dies

[marsh gyro]

Forceful works as advertised right now and it's super noticeable - 5.3 cleave on the Mk3 shotgun becomes 9.25 with 25% cleave node and 50% forceful buff which is 7 poxwalkers deep on normal play and 3 poxwalkers deep on Havoc 40 (because minion mooks get a 170% hit mass bump on high Havoc because we can't have nice things)

I did get my cleave guide updated in case folks need some numbers to do napkin math on arbitrating:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3350231553

[fierce marten]

Oh when did this happen?

It's tiiime

[marsh gyro]

Forceful is a 50% cleave buff to all cleave and works, while Terminus Warrant is bugged and the 50% ranged cleave, don't

[fierce marten]

Oh, I got them mixed up

[tough compass]

<@&1042950387478560878> Do people want to dark the tides?

[sonic elbow]

my favourite thing about arbites having so many cleave and stagger perks is that it can give that to weapons that shouldn't have it, like tac axe

currently running brutal momentum and slaughter spree on mine because I got time to meme about until I unlock max gear power/difficulty

horde clearing with a tac axe, what a time to be alive

[marsh gyro]

Yeah you can get like 4 pox walkers in a go per swing with brutal momentum, it's wild

[sonic elbow]

I can't decide which mark to run though, they're pretty evenly matched

and none feel better than the others to me

[fierce marten]

Cleave with revolver basically is mini plasma gun

It already had good cleave before too

No specialist can hide in a horde

[marsh gyro]

Hotfix 1.8.3 just dropped, the Arbitrator penances are now substantially less grindy and the dreaded precinct numbers won't show up on the deluxe capes any more:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520843384949051382?l=english
edit: Also no more weapon bleed procs from dogsplosions, so no more leaning on that interaction

[spiral badger]

hilariously, i just finished the penances

other than the missions one

[marsh gyro]

Yeah I was at 2700/3500 on the marked targets so that auto finished after login after hotfix

[fierce marten]

RIP bleed dog, back to exterminator

[crystal sluice]

damn i already got most of the penances down

[hushed glade]

yeah same

[frigid saffron]

😔

[marsh gyro]

    * Razor-Jaw Augment is dealing extreme damage.
    * We are aware of crashes stemming from FSR 3.1.4 - specifically the FSR 4 feature. For players experiencing issues with FSR, you can disable FSR 4 through the drivers.
    * Refinery Delta-17 is currently experience a higher crash rate.

We will keep you posted on progress on the above, thank you again for your patience.```

[fierce marten]

Huh that would explain the wild damage

[tough compass]

Hmm, not sure if I am just doing a better job at achievement hunting, or if the Arbitrator class has easier achievements, but I have more with them than other classes despite playing less. Though I guess the other classes still have some legacy achievements that are private game only etc.

[marsh gyro]

I think they learned before doing the Arbitrator penances and they're all pretty reasonable to get by playing normally as compared to stuff like the Zealot 20 minute speed run at 1 wound

[tough compass]

I think they are all on the "do x a bunch of times" end of things. Unlike some of the other classes which are "do hard thing once" (like the ammo efficiency one, or the killing a bunch of stunned enemies etc.)

[opaque crown]

Question, does the double barrel hit harder than the exterminator?

Wondering if it still has its own niche

[tough compass]

idk, but a rapidly reloadable 3-shot double-barrel shotgun sounds really funny

[fierce marten]

With castigator you can get like 8 shots out of a double barrel

Thats more bullet per barrel

[marsh gyro]

The double barrel will hit harder on a double shot at close range, it has a big aim radius and minimum pellet count so it clears mooks really good; I like running Deathspitter/Speedloader with the triple barrel

[sonic elbow]

minimum pellet count my beloved

[marsh gyro]

4.5 cleave on the double barrel isn't far behind 5.3 on the Mk3 or 5.7 on the Mk8 shotties

[tough compass]

Clearly this is how shot gun shells work in 40k:

[fierce marten]

Advanced tech for the imperium

[heavy geyser]

rip

[regal pendant]

Zog

[heavy geyser]

the number on the sleeve looked cool

[regal pendant]

Yeah, gave it a little extra charm

Idk why everyone shat themselves over the precinct number being on the cape and the sleeve

[tough compass]

Was it the only thing that is connected to your background choice?

[heavy geyser]

The same people made them remove the candle flame from that one bolt pistol.

[tough compass]

Wasn't that one like, in the way of the sights or something?

It's too bad they can't turn this sort of thing into a toggle, but I do get being annoyed at the thing you acquired looking different from the preview

[sonic elbow]

it wasn't in the way of the sights, I had it from a weapon customization mod

the problem was that I couldn't remove it once I put it on

because editing the gun that had it would crash the game

[sonic elbow]

anyone gave the new upscaling patch a try btw

curious if it'll be better than lossless upscaling but I'm at work for the foreseeable future

...I'm really struggling with this game's graphics because they feel like turning anything below GPU melting max settings breaks something because they never like, planned for people to run the lower settings

I think it's the only game in my life that gets downright ugly and hard to parse on low-med

even vermintide I've bashed with a rock to create a custom ultra hyper low setting for my previous PC and it looked fine

here there's a constant soup factor lurking if I tweak my settings just a tiny bit and suddenly I can't tell apart things at range

oh and atrocious hair

I'm sharing these as curious observations, not complaints, I'm a pixelated potato enjoyer

it's just fascinating to me how large the gap between settings is here

[heavy geyser]

The flame was pointed and perfectly-shaped to be right in front of the front sight blade. It actually worked pretty well.

[marsh gyro]

I've got decent settings and it still struggles loading textures fast enough on swapped guns, it's truly impressive how the optimization is borked

[sonic elbow]

opening the cosmetics screen makes my game chug and PC lift off

[heavy geyser]

You ever get the thing where the clothing bones don't soften so your coattails and purity seals stick out like they're full of starch?

[quiet escarp]

The game runs (mostly) fine for me but all the skybox hive city vistas are just full of screen tearing for some reason

[fierce marten]

Yea when loading into a lobby its like stiff and moved like i just suddenly stopped in place then it becomes normal

[fierce marten]

There's a setting for sunlight reflections that could cause it

Which is a funny setting as some missions are just completely inside

[signal current]

Campaign over

[flint moss]

ngl the worse visibility in inferno missions was more of a hazard than the fire

[marsh gyro]

Bombers lurking in the dark

[signal current]

Jeez, we’re getting lucky with drops today. Got a nearly perfect maul & shield roll

Alright, time to try out damnation difficulty

Aaand it’s 4 arbitrators

Arbitrator gaming

Train mission is fun

[fierce marten]

I forgot I had a mod to reduce particles for flames so I can actually see

I was wondering what people were talking about, the fire screen effect however eats up like a quarter of my screen

[flint moss]

also the lighting

the levels are darker

[tough compass]

Does the innate fire in an Inferno mission even hurt you? Or is it just there are so many fire-causing heretics

[hushed glade]

It does if you touch them, I think

[regal pendant]

Never even accidentally backed into it though

You have to actively try to get hurt by it

Wish there were larger, more raging infernos ngl

[tough compass]

I don't remember the boxes being on fire hurting that much

[fierce marten]

I think it just slows you down mostly with some damage.

Bombers became my bane without castigator stance, it just deletes toughness and slows you and at times they big brain work together to just trap the team into a corner.

[regal pendant]

Bombers are such annoying shits on those maps

Visibility's already borked and then they just make it worse

[fierce marten]

I think I messed with my monitor too much to see in darktide but I see fine

By default areas without like forge fires I could not see whatever was shaded and I messed with the gamma/contrast to see

[tough compass]

I think bombers are extra bad on the Inferno maps because they spawn more often. And more than one bomber is awful because they can refresh fires before it goes out

[fierce marten]

Yea pretty much. But Castigator Stance lets you move mostly normally and for some reason really slows HP loss from standing in fire

Oh I forget 80% Damage Reduction would be for HP and not universal

[hushed glade]

I need to get a good Relic Blade

I wanna try it out

I love me big two handed swords

don't even know what it does

[sonic elbow]

moonlight greatsword

[fierce marten]

That's psyker force greatsword

Relic Blade is like the better Power weapon that stays on for more than a few hits and has great cleave and horde clear.

It also has a weirdly complex moveset relatively and its kind of a night and day difference between, its pretty good to its amazing dependent on if you know the moveset chain

[sonic elbow]

ph right

[fierce marten]

And you got to look at the heat bar

[sonic elbow]

two greatswords added in one patch, I mix them up

[fierce marten]

Oh huh yea it was 1 patch

Ogyrn should have gotten the greatsword stubber, everyone gets as greatsword except Veteran

[signal current]

Ayy level 30 arbitrator

Also just came across the best name: Ronald-Rogryn

[fierce marten]

Ogyrns always have the best names

[sonic elbow]

I got the new cutscenes at some point btw and cracked up at the moebians turning traitor

[fierce marten]

One of my favorites is Hulk Hogryrn

[sonic elbow]

the lore snippets were vague enough about "the stranger walking amongus" for me to imagine a compelling story

but in cutscene form no he literally walks up to them like HELLO COME MORB OUT WITH ME

[signal current]

alright time to start grinding out damnation missions so we can unlock auric

[sonic elbow]

do you think you could walk up to traitors like hello have you heard about our lord and saviour

and if you had enough aura it'd work

[fierce marten]

Hmm but that would mean im not yelling about the Lex to a corpse

[sonic elbow]

no shade but I think the average player zealot is more convincing than The Stranger™

using dark powers to make up for their weak persuasion skills, smh

[fierce marten]

Their heretical dark powers vs Our holy psyker bless with the emperor's gifts.

[sonic elbow]

their heretical dark powers vs our naturally charismatic zealot

[fierce marten]

Something something blood for the golden throne

[heavy geyser]

yeah..... it was heretics....... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082026299536719922/1390588955434553477/hadronfire.mp4?ex=686e1462&is=686cc2e2&hm=db14cb40ef179745727fba717cd6d55c1cb8d74bba8bda33f363813937c429fd&

[marsh gyro]

I'm glad they fixed the turbo gibbing in the hotfix, that would have been a bit silly to keep on for a month

[split mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878>

🗡️

[alpine needle]

The puppy is good 👍

I named him Argos-5 because, I'm sick.

[brazen fossil]

I'd love to play on about 30 minutes

[flint moss]

last sight a million flametroopers saw during the event

[signal current]

https://youtu.be/003w2lH_1TI?si=lgg-D0UjY7YzPOp-

[regal pendant]

Frug

[tough compass]

"Maybe they [the ruinious powers] are gods. But I wouldn't recommend giving them your soul."

Is this the 40k version of agnosticism?

[fierce marten]

If they're so strong why are they called daemon princes, an emperor would win over any prince

Chaos moderate cultists saying warp is dangerous but that's only cause sentient life made it so and you can safely use the warp with caution and understanding

[sonic elbow]

new age chaos cultist seeking to make the world a harmonious place so their gods can chill out

[grave talon]

I'm chaos traditionalist my self i will see this galaxy burn

[sonic elbow]

if the galaxy burns, what will power the warp? huh?? huh???

[grave talon]

Take that to the warmaster i'm just here to spread plague and kill stuff good

In My termi armor
Unbothered
Moist

[spiral badger]

they fixed uberdog

[marsh gyro]

RIP blood for the blood dog, it now just owns instead of doing a billion damage

[drowsy vine]

Oh cool I never used that anyway

[marsh gyro]

Yeah I run both left side turbo debuff dog and middle tree normal dog and they both work about the same in practice for me

[drowsy vine]

i just take the talen to tell my dog to go kill ranged units with impunity

and that works well

[marsh gyro]

240 damage a tick on the ranged baddies gets 'em super quick yeah

[sonic elbow]

yeah it's deceptively good imo because while elites and specialists might be the bigger immediate threat

they're a lot easier to deal with when you can exist outside of cover without 30 gunners pasting you

[opaque crown]

wolfer could just kill us if he only deployed shooters period, in great volume, and who immediately scattered when melee happens

that would make for the most annoying game

[sonic elbow]

give the poxwalkers stubbers

nothing can go wrong

wait I can never remember the made up 40k terms

what do they call a shitty ballistic rifle again

[opaque crown]

stubber/stub rifle is correct im prtty sure

heavy stubber for the machine gun, stub pistol for the pistol

[sonic elbow]

have them stumble and fire in the most vague forward direction possible

and clamp down on the trigger when dying

it'll suck ass but it'll be classic

[hushed glade]

There is nothing less fun in this game than rounding a corner and a platoon just opening up on you

[spiral badger]

that's what Bait Zealot is for

slide around the corner, take a look, slide back in

[marsh gyro]

I'm glad there's a plethora of ways to dunk on the shooters in that scenario because yeah that'd be a Call of Duty moment otherwise

[fierce marten]

Bubble psyker says nah I'd win

And Zealot is like lol no I slide

[fierce marten]

My logic is that in pub games everyone and their grandmas are running elite/specialists clear and aside from bubble psyker few randos spec to go after gunners so being the passively kill gunner person is pretty nice

[quiet escarp]

Holy the bolter is good on the Arbites. Combined with either the crusher or the Arbites shock mauls you really feel like you're actually a space marine

[marsh gyro]

Pinning Fire blessing and Forceful keystone own with it

[fierce marten]

The extra mag size talent boosting it from 15 to 18 ammo feels pretty significant for boss damage

Especially with castigator and timing it with surgical you can basically shoot like 4 to 5 shots for "free" and have you mag still capped off to magdump on a boss

[spiral badger]

the specific model bolter we've had the whole time is an arbites model

[drowsy tusk]

I want a bolter mark with a lower auto fire rate and a drum mag but you only get 2 mags or something

[marsh gyro]

I'll take the opposite and have a storm bolter wishlist

[drowsy tusk]

That too

[brazen fossil]

I want power claws

With the bolter attached

[finite nymph]

I hope we don't stray too far from Reject Town, Arbites is already a step away

[brazen fossil]

• relic blades
• power swords
• thunder hammers
• plasma guns

We were never in reject town after level 15

[finite nymph]

They're all handmedown at least

I more meant that they're not even technically in jail

[brazen fossil]

You don't hand-me-down a fuckin thunder hammer

[finite nymph]

Every weapon in the game is Canon Rebuilt Trash

[sonic elbow]

grendyl really lucked out to intercept a prison barge full of people imprisoned for killing 300-2000 people in one go

[brazen fossil]

Rebuild doesn't mean trash

Also that cinematic is like level 4

[finite nymph]

And introduces the main crafting mechanic?

[brazen fossil]

Yeah and by the time it's fully blinked out it ain't trash no more

[finite nymph]

Because of the refurbishment mentioned yes

[brazen fossil]

That shits anointed as hell

[finite nymph]

And still probably 5% the anointment of an artifact not primarily used by people who plough through the sewer system

[brazen fossil]

The sewer system is a good entry point

[frank igloo]

by the time you're fully leveled youre an Important Person

[brazen fossil]

Exactly

[finite nymph]

In the lowest ranking military

Made of dissidents and prisoners

[brazen fossil]

The story mode makes it clear

[frank igloo]

like, people call you valued (even if its still like expendable)

[frank igloo]

youre in the inquisition, thats not low ranking at all

[brazen fossil]

It's 40k everyone is expendable

[frank igloo]

space marines are expendable, doesnt mean theyre not important

[sonic elbow]

a level 1 reject is only held back from soloing the liberation of atoma by the existence of elites

[marsh gyro]

Trust level 30 gotta count for something, though they coulda gone to 40 because it is Warhamsters 40 hundred

[sonic elbow]

like idk one guy vs infinite guys seems like a super good deal from a prison break

[frank igloo]

also remember

[brazen fossil]

Luv me wurmcaster the forty and first m

[frank igloo]

youre being sent on extremely important missions

rolling steel for example

thats not something the lowest of the low is sent on, the mission control on your side even vouches for your capabilities to dukane

hell the story mode literally has rannick say youre pretty valuable in the later missions, relatively ofc

[brazen fossil]

Yeah

[finite nymph]

A hammer is pretty valueable

[frank igloo]

at level 30 youre a trusted member of the warband

and theres somethign to be said about a high quality hammer

youre literally given the title of auric operative

yknow, the special ones for special missions

[sonic elbow]

the valkyrie can hold like 12 rejects before it starts getting cramped and they keep sending us in groups of 4 and then complaining about attrition

sounds like feeding rejects to chaos to me ykno

food for thought

[frank igloo]

i dont think the valkyrie can hold 12 ogryns

[brazen fossil]

It produced our rejects so something probably was working right

Probably tzeench

[frank igloo]

also keep remember wolfer in the carnival just like

"sir, the teams say its a full platoon of loyalists"
"do those idiots think i cant count"

[sonic elbow]

wolfer is secretely playing Shadow of Mordor with us

feeding us Ws to get a cool enemy

in this post I will argue why the capture and respawn mechanic is in-universe and not a gameplay convenience

[finite nymph]

well we may be agents and all sure

But we're still about a level of Guy Who Gets Cutscened in Rogue Trader

[sonic elbow]

...okay this is absolutely NOT what is going on but it'd also be 100% on brand for a warhammer story for wolfer to be actually doing that in hopes we fall to chaos

[frank igloo]

no, we literally take out chaos spawn and beasts of nurgle on a regular basis
this is "named character but not a main party member" tier

at worst

[finite nymph]

( I do kind of hate what Tide has done to those tbh )

Like they're such non-threats and are horrors obstensibly

Four fucking beasts of nurgle showing up and getting mowed down is more gameplay contrivance to me

[frank igloo]

We canonically have admonition send a monstrosity during dark rituals

And we chump it

Not even a final boss

[finite nymph]

That's because the game needed minibosses and the like, and it makes them feel feeble and like every other force in the game is so utterly incompetent

[frank igloo]

Okay?

[finite nymph]

??? OK I was just stating opinion on the matter, and then you doubled down on the reasons I feel off about it

Idk what other response was asked for 'You are correct they do that'

[spiral badger]

i mean fundamentally we are also clearly being protected by something on some level, because without some sort of psychic protection we should all have died of walking pox

[brazen fossil]

The beloved likes us

Or it's tzeench

[finite nymph]

Zealot anticorruption aura working overtime

[brazen fossil]

Tzeench would

[marsh gyro]

It's plot armor, like every other 40k citizen who lives past 5 minutes warring it up

[brazen fossil]

I mean we do name the rejects

Got that named character bullshit going on

[marsh gyro]

I named my 40k puppy Cupcake and that puppy is now invincible

I'm also sure glad friendly fire isn't on like Vermintide because missions would be very short otherwise

[spiral badger]

there was an early version where it existed and they took it out

because yeah, they realized it would be constantly killing teammates with little ability to avoid it

the "complaining about being shot" voicelines are a relic of that version that they left in because they're funny and also they do let you know you've been wasting shots

[heavy geyser]

we might all be ghosts fighting a forever war with other ghosts on a dead planet

[hushed glade]

Ogryn not ghost, ogryn big, ghosts thin

[distant surge]

Beeg

[fierce marten]

Force Greatsword/Sword

[fierce marten]

Ope reply tot his

Yea we's important. Even a broken relic blade is a huge find and many astartes would put one they it in their chapter halls. Unless its a knockoff

Which knowing Grendyl aka knowing little about Grendyl it could be fake, or real.

[distant surge]

cant play darktide :c it keeps failing to connect to the server

[waxen patio]

idk hard to argue the power weaponry that verifiably cuts through literally thousands of enemies on an average day is fake

for the sake of fun gameplay I love having cool toys
in regards to whether it makes sense or not, no it makes very little sense for us to have a lot of the gear we have access to

if only I could arm the voidsmen in my rogue trader ttrpg game with plasma guns and power swords so easily

[spiral badger]

it's the world's shittiest power sword though

gotta shake it every few swings

frankly yeah the relic blades are the weirdest

i'm willing to buy they're probably just slightly oversized power swords being sold to the zealot as "relic blades"

but if they were actualy relic blades they would not be getting handed to even high level inquisitorial operatives

the inquisitor might have one

[opaque crown]

in lore are powerswords an alway on thing or a on when you swing thing?

[spiral badger]

you can turn them on and off

you just generally uh

don't have to do it every 3 swings

[opaque crown]

also do power swords need an external power source or are they built in? I feel like some art has them connected to a tube or something and others definitely do not

[marsh gyro]

Nurgle blood juice causing a short circuit

[spiral badger]

built in most of the time

like the power sword turning off all the time is definitely just for gameplay balance reasosn

the force blades needing to be charged up is more canonically reasonable, as they're powered by the psyker and depend on their concentration

[opaque crown]

honestly i was just wondering if they were kind of like a chainsword where you "rev" on swing

and they sit in an idle but powered state standard, then flare up on the swing or something

[spiral badger]

i think you can use them that way but most people wouldn't bother

it's basically like, hitting the on button as you swing

why would you hit the off button if you're about to just swing it again

[opaque crown]

big shrug, maybe to preserve a temperamental battery or something, because everything is old as fuck and variably maintained.

[spiral badger]

the power swords are the most weird honestly because they're relatively standardish issue for the imperial guard

like, you won't see a normal guardsman with them but like, a captain might have one

so in terms of "stuff the inquisition could have recovered from the battlefield and handed to rejects" they're actually fairly likely

the inquisition i think can also just requistion them

because again, standard guard kit

so they should be functional

[split mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878> 🗡️

[marsh gyro]

I'll be free to tide in 20 minutes, feel free to run one without me

[split mantle]

[mint yew]

I can play one or two, give me just a minute

[split mantle]

perfect

just let us know when you're ready and we'll send you another invite

@mint yew ?

[flint moss]

can hop on soon

[spiral badger]

mister e (darktide streamer) is rating classes and I'm giggling at his scale

[flint moss]

ok i dont know where my mic is

oh is the squad open

looking for it

8417918087

[split mantle]

@mint yew how far through your mission are you?

[mint yew]

not far, I would not expect me to be on tonight

[split mantle]

😔

[fierce marten]

Oh hey he's one of 2 darktide youtubers I watch

Him and Reginald, mister E has fun builds. If it weren't for loner being a bad aura for teammates I'd run rat king 25/8 I love stealth zealot

[tough compass]

This is written in the wrong way right? Is it supposed to be -30% heat generation?

[marsh gyro]

Supposed to be, yeah. Fatshark changed the tooltips to read the bonuses from the code so you get weird stuff like that

[tough compass]

I have concerns about the code naming scheme given what "generation" means lol

[marsh gyro]

"templates.weapon_trait_bespoke_plasmagun_p1_reduced_overheat_on_critical_strike" is a positive number that subtracts from 100 to get the new modifier so yeah there we go

[tough compass]

Hmm, hard to turn that into a normal sentence

+30% less heat generation? lol

[marsh gyro]

Anyone else having texture streaming issues since hotfix 1.8.3? It seems there's a really small texture buffer and it's constantly having to reload textures like on weapon swap

[tough compass]

I haven't noticed so far. But uh, usually I am distracted when swappign weapons ha

unrelated: why does smoke have such a short range >:|

[marsh gyro]

You mean physically throwing the smoke grenade or the bubble itself?

[tough compass]

The throw range

(Mostly I am annoyed because the achievement requires you to engulf enemies in smoke)

[marsh gyro]

Oh yeah that one I'd just smoke hordes at my feet for a couple aurics, it's annoying

[tough compass]

Some of the original classes have weird, annoying requirements. Like you needing to backstab ranged people specifically for the loner achievement

[fierce marten]

Auric mortis is a pretty good place for that

Get healing nades and 20s grenade CD if you see it and you'll have it done fast

Basically smoke becomes a healing bubble in auric mortis cause there a million snipers randomly

[tough compass]

What is the difference between Volatile and Optimized Cooling?

[spiral badger]

the descriptions are really unclear

specifically optimized cooling is I think flat out misleading

optimized cooling reduces heat cost per shot, increasing in reduction as you get hotter

volatile reduces charge time per shot on the same scaling

[tough compass]

Wow, ok that is a weird description messup for optimized cooling (but at least fits the name better)

[covert trellis]

@thin cliff

[regal pendant]

Anyone else having weird issues with connectivity

[marsh gyro]

Lotta error 2014s going on

[flint moss]

mic located

[marsh gyro]

Switching from TAA anti aliasing to FXAA did the trick turns out, weird
Edit: it did not, the texture streaming gets real bad in a match and everything is a blurry mess

[tough compass]

I like how shouting increases how long you can stand in tox gas

[fierce marten]

The force of your exhale pushes away the gas for a bit

[drowsy vine]

<@&1042950387478560878> need 1 well geared invididual to try and hit Auric mortis trials

[hushed glade]

is the game down?

Just getting 4001 errrors

[marsh gyro]

It's up for me on the US servers

[tough compass]

Did they add more/better iFrames to dodges at some point? Or could you always dodge through nets/mutants?

[flint moss]

you sorta always could but maybe not as well as you can now

idk i keep accidentally avoiding swings

[heavy geyser]

I don't recall it ever changing but there might be a chance youu were using up all your dodges before, since there's no visualization of how many dodges you have

[fierce marten]

Yea the "good" dodges have frames, the "bad" ones you don't really . You can tell when you get into bad dodges territory when your dodges barely move you. Or mod for it

[heavy geyser]

On average, on a fully-leveled weapon, you get four dodge points and you need to wait a second for all of them to come back

dodgeslides use two dodge points

[flint moss]

also you have stamina management in there

[fierce marten]

I mean its a smooth gameplay loop to basically cycle between dodges and push attacks while the other is out, but dodges being separate from stamina is an interesting design choice

[drowsy vine]

<@&1042950387478560878> looking for 2 to 'tide with Misc and I

[twin wasp]

i may exist

[drowsy vine]

👀

Misc is just gonna make a cup of tea, take your time

[fierce marten]

Damn the heretics are learning

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/9ZJ2FML2S7

[mint yew]

the 10x headpop perk in Mortis Trials is a tiny bit silly

just exterminated about half of an Auric run by popping Telekine Dome and then spamming it while watching the ripples of lightning evaporate the hordes around the specials too

although team saved my behind from the boss squads, ty Briar and co.

[fierce marten]

The grenade ones are too

20s grenades and free grenades on 10 kills with one and big box ogyrn is happy

[opaque crown]

big box heal nade regen

[mint yew]

We had that also, very handy

[drowsy tusk]

Box random grenade effects is a certified banger

[opaque crown]

and burner, and smoker

[fierce marten]

It's perfect for that one veteran smoke grenade penance

I like running grenade arbites on mortis trials

[regal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-explode-explosions-gif-17468299

[fierce marten]

2 Ogyrns in mortis auric, woe framerate killed

[regal pendant]

4 Ogrynheimers is the CPU Killer

[opaque crown]

4 ogrynheimers is the peacemaker, after which there is a brief period of silence

[distant surge]

Thats just exterminatus

[regal pendant]

"Ex-term-ee-nah-tus? No need! Got me a box o grenades an a Rumbler, sah!"

[spiral badger]

i did it

[distant surge]

Which one of the ogryns would be the best baby sitter?

[wraith shuttle]

anyone for darktide

[frank igloo]

The bodyguard i think

[regal pendant]

Lol

[regal pendant]

Seconded. He's the wisest of the trio and still a nice fella, I trust him most with looking after a small human.

The Bully is too much of a dick, and the Brawler's just too fucking stupid, bless his soul

[fierce marten]

Huh, Lightning reflexes block stuns ranged enemies

Parried machine gun fire and Reaper just gets stunlocked

[sonic elbow]

welcome back, dragon's dogma

[distant surge]

good points

[crystal sluice]

fun fact about this achievement: it doesn't say but it only counts time spend at 10 stacks. i was also running the talent that consumes all your stacks on career skill use. but now i am free

[sonic elbow]

the stack consumption build seems great

not like in power but in feel

I love ebb and flow!!!

[crystal sluice]

i get a better ebb and flow from terminus warrant, it's just rather annoying that the talent that makes forceful its best makes getting the related penance a real pain in the ass

[marsh gyro]

I think if there were more ways to spend the Forceful stacks then it'd make more sense to get those staggers but the zoomie knockover being up every 15 seconds at best is pretty tough to cycle the stacks; these days I run Forceful with just the regen and cleave since those are always up

[spiral badger]

So the trick is, any stagger counts for forceful

For example, if you shield flash a horde

Instant 10 stacks

Or you can literally just go over and push into the front line

Save the charge for when something you need to kill now shows up, beat it to death on the ground, flashbang the horde, back at it

[marsh gyro]

Every disco dance twitch the enemy does on a shock maul zappy also counts as a separate stack to run up the counter

[brazen fossil]

Iirc the drop to 0 stacks ability also works

[flint moss]

anyone up to help me level characters?

oh right you ping for that

<@&1042950387478560878> anyone want to help me level characters

[worldly talon]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-batman-hmm-chin-rub-maybe-gif-544874022650473771

[split mantle]

oh, we'll be on in a hot minute, feel free to start one without us

[worldly talon]

Gimme a couple minutes and I can jump in, if you'll have me

[flint moss]

idk how to reaname channels but i put one up

oh brb

[split mantle]

1653200957

[split mantle]

@wooden kite there's a spot open if you want

[regal pendant]

If I have 20% toughness damage resistance on my psyker (not including One with the Warp), how much of a difference will an extra 5% toughness damage resistance make?

Is it like, a barely perceivable difference, or very much perceivable?

[marsh gyro]

Every bit of toughness DR helps because Psyker yo-yos toughness so much

[regal pendant]

Right

Mostly debating keeping Brain Burst or going for Smite so I can get both Toughness DR nodes

Swap over to the ol Orb Shooter so I have an answer for snipers

[marsh gyro]

It stacks nicely with the bubble shield if you do grab the DR

Burst vs Smite is strictly about whether you need the help at range / vs Carapace / vs gunners

[regal pendant]

And other miscellaneous gits that're too far away

[marsh gyro]

Yeah Voidstrike probably wants Smite

[regal pendant]

Don't really need much anti-Carapace, I run the Mk. 6 force greatsword

Thing just mulches carapace

[marsh gyro]

The big poke is so good

[regal pendant]

...my issue is, I wanna keep my Voidblast stave, it's incredibly useful for knocking entire packs of elites onto their asses

...then again if I go Smite that'll be my answer to elite packs

[marsh gyro]

I'm running Voidblast and the Mk 8 greatsword, the lights on that one handle hordes for days

[regal pendant]

I'd use the Mk. 8 but the Mk. 6 just feels

Better, somehow

Less spammy

Gotta put more thought into my combos

[marsh gyro]

Mk 6 is a great single target deleter yeah

[regal pendant]

That stab is fucking nuts

[marsh gyro]

Shred/Blazing Spirit is pretty decent combo though these days I'm running Wrath/Momentum

[regal pendant]

Aye, I use Blazing Spirit myself since I run a spellblade build

Now you might think, "Why are you running Blazing Spirit, you don't have an Inferno stave so you can't proc soulblaze"

BUT

I run the one blessing that procs soulfire on a ranged crit

Combine that with the talent that gurantees a ranged crit if you whack like five weakspots and soulblaze is weirdly easy to keep going

Does mean I gotta run Wildfire though

[marsh gyro]

Yeah voidblast soulblaze and wildfire go good together with blazing spirit and elites giving soulblaze stacks

Wildfire only ever caps at 4 stacks on a mook which is like 50 damage a tick which ain't a lot and does add up over time with soul drinker procs and just general huge mob counts

[signal current]

Darktide? In pilot net? Situated entirely in one vc?

May we see it?

[regal pendant]

What do we think, drip or drown

...shame that For The Drip isn't showing up in regular third person, idk what the issue is there

[fierce marten]

Ye let's you basically instantly recover 10 stacks in a horde when you use ability to drop to 0

I crusher game so one swing usually nets 10 stacks easily even if I were starting from 0, the stagger and cleave is stronk

Enemy hit mass? I hardly

[heavy geyser]

what's the blade half? Illisi 1H can proc soulblaze pretty good

[regal pendant]

I use a force greatsword

I'd use Blazing Spirit on it but I hear it only affects one singular target with the moonlight slash

Which seems pretty worthless

...though I do use Wildfire so maybe it's not a total crapshot...

[distant surge]

I love moonlight slash

[regal pendant]

Same

It's absolutely cracked

Even with zero levels of charge it's still useful because it deals fuckloads of stagger

[heavy geyser]

I have heard that Wildfire isn't terribly useful because of the cap on how it spreads

[regal pendant]

It's only really useful for Souldrinker builds

And even then it's only really useful if you're using a staff that isn't the Inferno staff

Voidblast/strike with Blazing Spirit? Indispensable. Incredibly handy talent. Makes keeping the Souldrinker buffs up and running a breeze.

Inferno? Literally just spurt out a little fire if you need some.

[marsh gyro]

Yeah because soulblaze scales nonlinearly 4 stacks is way less damage than firey 15 stacks from the staff and each enemy that dies splits up their stacks to others to get them to 4 and no more so it's not a lot of base damage is the thing, it's still good for priming a crowd for super shrieks

It's about 25-35 damage per soulblaze 4-stack on mooks depending on armor type which is like 200 damage over 6 seconds kinda deal

[fierce marten]

Or soul drinker/soulflame warp charges but that's very specific use case

[wraith shuttle]

Is psyker good rn?

[hushed glade]

Seems so

I don't think any of the classes are bad

[waxen patio]

Glass cannon as it's always been, and it's always bringing some unique capacity to the team. Psykers rock at crowd control.

[marsh gyro]

Tons of brittleness for friends, plenty of ammo economy boosts, all kinds of explosions

[spiral badger]

I think psykers are second worst but only on a comparative scale

They can do things no other class can, thats enough

[waxen patio]

Few can chain stagger entire roomfulls of crushers like a trauma staff

[spiral badger]

Veterans are the worst off because they have relatively fewer unique tricks

[drowsy vine]

Vet needs a ground up rework next

Their talent tree remains fucking ass

[spiral badger]

veteran needs a role redefinition, zealot needs a rework not because they're bad but because there's like 1 good build

[mortal crystal]

It's a really good build

but there's just the 1

[waxen patio]

My veteran life is simple, I left click things with plasma gun and press F off cooldown

[marsh gyro]

It's kind of noticeable yeah the Arbitrator nodes are all "here's a huge awesome thing" and Veteran has to take 3 nodes per awesome thing

[tough compass]

The veteran tree has a weird origin where it launched without keystones, but I don't think they deleted many (any?) nodes when they added them

[marsh gyro]

Yeah that was the case - They shuffled around a couple nodes so it didn't take as far to get to the bottom which is why keystoneless vet goes wide, they just deleted a couple modifier nodes on Stance and Infiltrate

[heavy geyser]

Psyker with exploding ground staff is great

That thing rules

also: I've earned my red tassel

[sacred pagoda]

The flashbang shield and maul is my favorite weapon in the game.

[opaque crown]

flashbang shield is surprisingly potennt cc

[fierce marten]

It's very spammable cc

Staggers crushers pretty hard

[sacred pagoda]

“Psyker, look at my new shield.”
“It’s very niAAAAA WHYYY”

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn just simply forgets what he was doing

[fierce marten]

Oooooo mortis trials, brahm mentions having Rannick kill a genestealer and he leaves it to Brunt who just stomps the head of it

And how there was one genestealer on the mourningstar

[heavy geyser]

yeah Swagger's been there for a little bit.

[mint yew]

My main complaint with psyker is that brain burst has been kind of left behind as everything else has gotten more killy and is as such kind of a pain to use when there's eleven zillion specials everywhere and it doesn't even oneshot a rager.

arbites dog is largely better at the same job for free, doesn't require you to stand there like an idiot charging it and does a bunch of other stuff like save you from enemy dogs

also some of the really good psyker nodes are locked behind certain blitz picks, which is a bit limiting because you really do want to give the team Psykinetic's Aura

otherwise, burny staff and dome have felt as good as they ever were

[hushed glade]

Smite still can just carry runs

When 20 ragers run in

[heavy geyser]

brain burst rules with empowered psyonics and both of its nodes

I think? that the "proc on attack" variant uses the Empowered Psyonics damage boost without burning a stack

[waxen patio]

Heard a friend complain about this as a psyker + 3 arbites. Dogs just running around killing everything before the psyker can respond, "why am I even here"

[heavy geyser]

and with the add-ons you can press your active ability with three brain burst stacks in the tank and just hold down left click to get like six or seven pops off

[regal pendant]

Yeah brain burst needs

Something

Not even anything major it's objectively fine, it just needs

Idk, faster charge time?

[fierce marten]

And it costs nothing for arbites to do this while psyker needs to channel

[regal pendant]

There's just something about it that feels just vaguely off and it drives me nuts

[fierce marten]

Mortis trial had an interesting option, chain brain bursts

[regal pendant]

Oh yeah where you BB like 10 other guys

That one's fun but it's never getting into the base game and for VERY good reason

[fierce marten]

A lesser version would be an improvement

[regal pendant]

Yeah, maybe a twinned Burst

[fierce marten]

As if now its lackluster

[regal pendant]

It's not even bad

Great for long range picks and you can just hide behind cover while you charge it up

It just needs some sauce

[fierce marten]

Game's cracked since it was first developed, back then a crusher took effort to kill. Now like 1-2 shotting a crusher is normal

The seconds needed for brain burst you could kill a couple crusher with other options or burst down a horde.

Not to mention psyker like most classes needs to kill to keep toughness and brainburst charging is time not spent killing. Unless you spec into making it faster compared to 1 point smite being great.

[regal pendant]

Aye

[tough compass]

Brain burst has always been a bit meh on higher difficulties. People were complaining about it on release (I think the Malice -> Damnation difficulty increase meant certain enemies no longer were killed by it in one hit. Dogs maybe?)

[mint yew]

yeah, and it was improved

nowadays I still run it on my fire staff/dome psyker because nothing else really does the job, but I'm still sinking 10 or so talents into it just to make it basically-usable on damnation or auric

centre capstone only

[drowsy vine]

big Branx Pickaxe W - this thing has such high Impact it can open up Bulwark shields

If you take Thrust/Crunch and the Impactful node on Heavy Hitter you can open Bulwarks with one near full charged Heavy + 5ish HH stacks

[neon nymph]

Fragging hell

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it takes 170 stagger to pop the shield (they have 5 stagger resist) so you can do it with three headtaker lights too at 8 heavy hitter stacks since the heavy is 50 base stagger and the lights are 28 base to carapace

I made a spreadsheet to run the numbers on the impact and you in theory can knock a crusher to the ground with a full heavy 1 charged up except it kills it super dead, oops

[crystal sluice]

what are the perks people usually get on their weapons again

like unyielding and maniacs damage?

[spiral badger]

depends on the weapon and the purpose and the breakpoints

but usually some combo of flak, maniac, carapace, and unyielding

[drowsy tusk]

Flak+maniac is what I look at first, crit isn’t bad if you’re building for it tho.

Unyielding + carapace is the tabkbusters choice

[waxen patio]

Flak and maniac if you're using the weapon for mixed clearing, carapace and unyielding if it's your boss buster weapon

[spiral badger]

oh, sometimes more rarely unarmored

[waxen patio]

Everything else doesn't matter much, nobody should be running extra damage against poxwalkers

[spiral badger]

specifically for breakpoints on dreg gunners

[marsh gyro]

Unarmored is surprisingly relevant on melee with the dreg and scab mooks

I'm a renegade though and throw on a lot of +2 stamina and +5% crit and 10% reload speed perks

[hushed glade]

All bosses are also unarmored

[mint yew]

very hard to justify anything but "+25% damage to annoying guys" on your weapons honestly

[marsh gyro]

Yeah +25% infested can mean the difference between 1 pox walker a swing and 3
Edit: though on tip top Havoc they get chunky enough each one has the beef of a scab bruiser at 490 health and 4.05 hit mass

[mint yew]

I haven't actually tried Havoc since I got back into the game a few days ago

looking forward to throwing burnmaster psyker at it

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the horde hit mass bump is why infinite cleave on the flames is so good

[mint yew]

that reminds me that I need to adjust that build since it's still where it was years ago and it's so much easier to get good gear now

where's the brittleness creation thingy

[fierce marten]

Do you mean unyielding?

[mint yew]

oh yeah, I forgot, my ancient psyker still has the Impossible Staff, pulled from the depths of the warp in ancient days