dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[ionic tusk]

the latter two are also dumpstat'd better despite being lower level due to that fact also

[distant surge]

So mobility is the dumpstat

[ionic tusk]

usually
honestly I don't know spearhead boltgun
but it's the dump stat on basically everything that has it

unless there's something else you're okay with dumping and want a little extra speed

🤔 not sure if any weapons have a different number of dodges between 60% and 80% even

and depending on your melee weapon, it might move faster at 60% than the boltgun could at 80%

the only other choice for a dumpstat would probably be stability, which isn't an option with the ones you got
all the others will effect your offenses more directly

[distant surge]

i usually switch to my melee weapon to dodge so thats probably alright

[ionic tusk]

yeah I think most people move about with their melee unless it's one of the heavier ones and they have a pistol ranged weapon

[sacred pagoda]

What do those bars even mean?

[distant surge]

oh yeah, i forgot to say thanks, Thank you Dragon for the help!

[ionic tusk]

each is linked to several stats
each stat has a value at 0% and a value at 100%
you can only upgrade bars to 80% though, and the worst they can be with a fully upgraded weapon is 60%

I can see what the linked stats are by hovering over the bars, but I think that's a mod 🤔

[ionic tusk]

(curios also work on the same system funnily enough)

gameslantern also has them listed

I think it lists 0% to 80%, which is the effective range we are able to access ingame as of now?

[sacred pagoda]

The stats themselves are pretty self-explanatory, at least.

So doesn’t that make 80%… 100% if it’s the maximum?

[ionic tusk]

for us, but there might be an expansion that lets us upgrade to reach the end of the stats

I think is also why some numbers are weird

21% health is presumably 80% of the way to 25% from something (health curios)

[sacred pagoda]

Okay, I can already tell this is going to go over my head, so I’ll ask you to stop there, please. I don’t want to waste your time.

Thank you, though.

[ionic tusk]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/235
the mod might just let you configure to show the bar being full at 80% and what the stats at 60% and 80% are for reference
honestly I never tried to hover over the bars before I got this mod

[heavy geyser]

The stats, as far as I know, are a bonus being applied to the default weapon and not the percentage of its total possible value. A gun with 0% Ammo still has ammo.

[distant surge]

is it worth it looking into the ones with similar spreads to see which is better?

[marsh gyro]

The differences are really small overall - I like to keep two of a mark where one has 60% mobility and one has 80% mobility because I like going fast and really it all plays pretty similar because talents cause such huge differences in the damage spread and Havoc plays with stat breakpoints it all evens out

60% damage stat vs 80% damage stat tends to be a 7% damage difference overall with like 5-10% armor piercing difference which when rending and brittleness is happening gets evened out

[distant surge]

[sacred pagoda]

I like Ogryn a lot because I can carry batteries and stuff around without getting slowed down.

[distant surge]

I like Ogryn cause 2 of them are just precious

[sonic elbow]

I'm never the first to reach the battery so usually a human picks it up and embarks on a long journey of 30 broken vertebrae while I stare at them

I'm pretty sure the number of people who know the big slab of steroids can carry stuff better is in the double digits

[heavy geyser]

99% of the time if you can take a weapon where the 60% is on the least important stat then that is the best gun.

The other stat spreads are available to use until you find the one that has the 60% on the stat you need the least

In the overwhelming majority of cases there isn't a benefit to making sure they're even.

You can see what all the stats do if you click through into the Inspect window, where its just the weapon and numbers on screen, and mouseover each stat in the lower left.

Mobility and Defences are usually the ones that can be the 60%

My bolt pistol runs 60% stability though, it's nice.

[ionic tusk]

you can also slide as other classes to ignore most (if not all?) of the penalty
slidetide strikes again

corners suck though

[heavy geyser]

If you have a stealth ability you can stealth, pick up and then runslide

[sonic elbow]

ogryn's carry push should be replaced with swinging the battery around him

don't @ me

[ionic tusk]

I do try to pawn it off on ogryns when I run out of stamina though

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn is ironically great at doing the puzzle mini games cause of their ability to do things while being hit

[sonic elbow]

I had a good laugh with some randoms when we encountered the pipe puzzle in uhhh placium somewherex you couldn't pay me to memorize map names

the entire team tried it, we were all stumped

but when they were ready to move on, I, ogryn, kept flexing my forehead at it

got the solution

the irony was lost on no one

[fierce marten]

The thing that makes me cringe is if a chorus zealot races and Ogyrn to do a mini game. Ogyrn won't be interrupted unless specialist and you got a pause button ability for like 5 seconds do that when the person is doing the puzzle

[sonic elbow]

chorus is excellent for that

I may be doing nothing the rest of the match but I chorused during the horde puzzle

[waxen patio]

Chorus is great, too often i see people use the time it buys wrong

[sonic elbow]

I'm already worth bringing

...I am kinda doing nothing because my usual zealot loadout is very support focused lol

lets teammates shine super bright but if I'm the last one standing I'll just cry at all my enemy debuffs meaning nothing with my own meager damage

[fierce marten]

You want max support, invocation and cutthroat. Read book every 10 seconds

[sonic elbow]

yeesss

I'm also using the crusher for this so getting backstabs is very easy

[fierce marten]

I love pious cutthroat but it costs so much to get it and invocation which I guess is the point.

[fierce marten]

When you realize backstab is like, basically not 120 in front it's a wide margin for what's considered a backstab it's easy to proc accidentally even if you shove

[ionic tusk]

I have a giga support build (chorus reacting to others losing toughness) but I usually end up killing the most specialists and it's a coinflip if I kill the most elites
lesser though? if I'm not dead last something is wrong lmao

[ionic tusk]

I think there's also a lot of skill expression in how one uses the chorus
ie spreading it out for more cc, hunting down players just outside of coherency to heal them/give buffs, looting and pressing buttons while it's active, knocking people out of mutants and chaos spawn grabs, and of course the funny ledging bosses

I think dodging with it is faster than walking but I'm honestly not sure 🤔

oh and knowing what you're gonna do when it ends or even canceling it a tad early to do the thing while enemies are just staggered

[waxen patio]

Yeah I more mean like how other people use that time, e.g. zealot uses chorus on top of a downed teammate to force all the enemies back but the other teammate doesn't immediately rush in and pick them up (probably kills a handful of enemies at best instead)

[fierce marten]

I would not be surprised if dodging diagonally is faster than running. It's a trend of game engines that diagonal movement is faster than W

[sonic elbow]

what am I going to do when chorus ends? ANOTHER ONE

[ionic tusk]

yeah, I got it, I was just expanding on related concepts

[waxen patio]

same deal with smite psykers who stunlock the WHOLE ROOM for an extended period and nobody takes advantage to actually do something useful with that time

[ionic tusk]

you can't run with chorus

it just get canceled
so walking, dodging, and jumping are your options
... 🤔 you can probably dodge slide, actually, I should try that

[ionic tusk]

like, throw a knife to kill a specialist, melee a specialist, start running away from the pile you just cc'd so you don't die when they wake up, running into the pile to kill as many as you can quickly, starting a revive/rescue, etc etc

[fierce marten]

Can you walk into a slide?

[ionic tusk]

no

you just crouch

[sonic elbow]

I think purely technically you could because slide is triggered by velocity

[fierce marten]

Yes we've chorus but what about second chorus?

[sonic elbow]

but you're never going to reach slide velocity walking

[ionic tusk]

okay you can dodge slide with chorus

[sonic elbow]

still waiting for someone to crack the movement code and develop accelerated backhops and trimping

[ionic tusk]

it's probably slower than just dodging repeatedly though since slide dodging consumes two dodges

gonna try a movement comparison

[sonic elbow]

man I wish creative movement was more of a thing 😔

mostly because of my fond memories of black powder in VT1

[ionic tusk]

oh yeah dodging is a lot faster than walking

[sonic elbow]

vertical map WITHOUT!!! ledge triggers

can you imagine that??

[ionic tusk]

I like ledge triggers

[sonic elbow]

they kill me about as often as they save me

[ionic tusk]

sometimes I dodge off a railing and just instadie

which makes me miss them lmao

[sonic elbow]

I have a strong tendency to go for clearly doable jumps and clip a ledge trigger in the process

[ionic tusk]

I prominently remember doing it in the cogitator array

[sonic elbow]

or get thrown backwards into a ledge trigger

as in

to an area we can't go back to

[sacred pagoda]

Which Zealot thing is the one where they show you their cool relic they found?

[sonic elbow]

if the game let me fall to the ground everything would be fine but instead it teleports me to a ledge I can't be rescued from

[ionic tusk]

chorus

[sacred pagoda]

Thanks.

[ionic tusk]

sometimes known as 'book' because it's icon is a book

[sonic elbow]

book might've also stuck around from victor vermintide

honestly that'd be a pretty fun modifier for chorus

[ionic tusk]

I do think chorus probably still needs some heavy nerfs

I've run a few games 'manually nerfing' it by only doing 3 pulses and it feels a lot more reasonable

[fierce marten]

I didn't think about this before but it makes sense since you can while carrying batteries

And I believe while smiting too

[ionic tusk]

if something nerfed your dodge speed enough it'd probably be possible for it not to work
but at that point it might as well just forbid dodging entirely

[fierce marten]

I think an issue is that zealot has insane ability CDR

It makes chorus very spammable

[heavy geyser]

Martyr's Purpose is a good secondary CDR to bring alongside Invocation because if you start taking health damage then your Turn Off button pops

[ionic tusk]

it is yeah, but that's also a wider issue across the game, zealot is just most emblematic of it
psykinetic's aura needs to be deleted or get the brusier treatment (probably deleted)

a lot of the non-invocation things also don't care about chorus's longer cooldown and shave off a % anyways

I do like the more ability use meta, and I think it could kinda work if the power of abilities got equalized

[sacred pagoda]

I tend to hold onto my ability as a Veteran because it’s a rez and you never know when the Zealot is going to yeet themselves into a gorillion Maulers.

[ionic tusk]

you could also have it not be a rez and use it even more often, because the rez node gives it two nerfs

(which I think is dumb and one of the nerfs should be transferred to the vastly overperforming +50 gold toughness node)

[sacred pagoda]

I like being able to pick people up instantly.

[fierce marten]

Vet also has that CDR talent

[sacred pagoda]

See my aforementioned comment about never knowing when the Zealot is going to try to solo every Mauler on Atoma.

[ionic tusk]

I respect wanting the vibes of that

[ionic tusk]

it's second's based, so honestly isn't as wild

still amazing though

[fierce marten]

As a zealot main, if you die to maulers out of all enemies you should probably be dead and think about your actions

[ionic tusk]

you can potentially parry the maulers by shouting at them aggressively

[ionic tusk]

I disagree with this though

stealth maulers + maulers in hordes is pretty common
and sometimes you get blocked during a dodge

[sacred pagoda]

It’s happened often enough that I just would rather have the instant rez on hand.

[fierce marten]

Maulers are slightly taller and their chainaxe sticks out

[ionic tusk]

I understand that but feel you should know it is kneecapping shout's power

[sacred pagoda]

I know.

The utility of being able to pick up downed teammates is what I want out of it. Being able to ctrl+z a wipe has saved more than a few runs for me.

(Not that I never get knocked down myself, but still.)

[heavy geyser]

stealth lets you do that as well, and the other shout node prevents it from happening in the first place, while also making space for a rez.

[ionic tusk]

think it's more of a vibes thing than a "this is actually okay" thing

which is fine

[fierce marten]

Infiltrate on Veteran needs many nodes to match 3 point in zealots shroudfield and the cooldown is longer

I think it could do a rework

[ionic tusk]

I think stealth itself needs a rework

but that's besides the point

[heavy geyser]

The vet stealth serves a different purpose, I think. They're not meant to do the same thing.

[ionic tusk]

(but the thing is does isn't as good as ogyrn's passive to revive while getting hit 90% of the time)

[fierce marten]

What would that purpose be

[ionic tusk]

doing objectives, reviving, and rescuing- it lasts longer

it also allegedly suppresses but I've never noticed that when playing with stealth vets

[heavy geyser]

Zealot stealth is aggressive, it stick you in and sustains you with toughness for murder time. Vet stealth is passive, it gets you out of trouble and takes the heat off you for a bit while you get a better firing position.

[ionic tusk]

the problem there I think is that vet shout will serve that role better almost as good

in addition to cc-ing and buffing the hell out of your team

[heavy geyser]

Yeah, the gold toughness shouts are extremely strong

[fierce marten]

3 second difference in duration. Shroudfield already lasts the duration of a revive

[ionic tusk]

oh and coming back much faster

[fierce marten]

Zealots one gets you out of trouble as well

[ionic tusk]

you can still get murdered by gunners in stealth

the only thing that'll really save you from that is a dash to the gunners or chorus tho, it's not worse than shout that way (usually)

[heavy geyser]

The funniest moments are when a mutant grabs you out of stealth

and slams your face into the floor while you're invisible

[fierce marten]

Trapper nets you accidently in stealth

[ionic tusk]

I think stealth should make the player intangible and dodge ranged attacks

I don't think that'd make it compete, but it'd go a long way qol wise
then with some nerfs to shout and chorus it'd probably be in range

[heavy geyser]

Gold toughness is maybe the outlier in the skill key power scale. it has a lot of very good properties that negate a lot of danger

its the nail sticking up out of the board

[ionic tusk]

it lasts way too long and isn't effected by havoc

but I think the cc and toughness restore would still put shout and chorus way above the other abilities even if they lost gold toughness

definitely less way above tho

[heavy geyser]

The zealot one at least is offset by one player not putting out damage during the channel

[ionic tusk]

I do not think that is a significant factor

[fierce marten]

Gold toughness is a big one, its just too strong not to take in havoc

[ionic tusk]

the player doing chorus can still take advantage of it after, the stagger lasts longer than they are occupied
and even if it didn't, 3 players getting like 10 extra seconds of gametime and being restored to full toughness is stupid strong

[ionic tusk]

havoc makes it stronger proportionally than not-havoc

[fierce marten]

And giving the team gold toughness as well

Yea it scales better in havoc

Havoc kind of shows all the nails as mentioned cause every havoc build for each class is basically what are all the unusually stronger optins

[ionic tusk]

+50 toughness when you have 150 toughness (33% increase) vs +50 toughness when you have 105 toughness (47% increase)
and that's ignoring the special properties of gold toughness and just pretending it's normal toughness

honestly it doesn't need the special properties
all toughness restoration besides granting gold toughness is % based

[fierce marten]

Yea with how much TDR there is, its already strong just having extra toughness. Most builds run 2 toughness curios

[ionic tusk]

toughess curios don't impact gold toughness I think? TDR would tho, yeah

[fierce marten]

Gold toughness so far is flat values.

Im moreso saying the 17% toughness does quite a lot compared to 21% HP when you consider zealot can get like 60% TDR

And even small bonuses do a lot if you have high TDR, the amount shout and chorus give is amazing even if gold toughess was just treated like normal toughness

[ionic tusk]

they're not exactly small numbers even before havoc slashes toughness values tho tbh

[heavy geyser]

my zealot build is 2x21% health curios and focuses more on replenishment than tdr, but does both

[ionic tusk]

I think people also fail to realize more max toughness = more toughness healed by anything that heals toughness, and less % damage taken so less bleedthrough

[heavy geyser]

there is a good case for health curios in that its a more precious resource

[ionic tusk]

could you elaborate? I don't quite follow
toughness protects health

there's not many things that can damage health through toughness
so when the toughness takes damage, that's less damage your health would have taken, effectively giving you more bang for your buck with health

this is more efficient against chip damage but still does work against burst damage

just at a 1:1 ratio instead of a better one like usual

imo it's precisely that you can get it back way easier that makes it more valuable

(I do have to sleep now but would like to continue this conversation later sometime)

[heavy geyser]

toughness protects your health but it's a resource with more ways of restoring it, it always comes back. Health does not come back outside of very specific, limited resources. There are going to be times when your toughness dips below 0 and your health gets chipped, and having more of the harder to recover resource can be valuable compared to investing heavily in the resource that comes back all the time.

Running health curios gives you more of the harder to recover resource, which is the case to be made for it.

In my case I have two 21% health curios but I also have the 15% TDR aura and a lot of nodes that constantly replenish toughness and negate chip

things happen and I do take damage but that damage becomes a smaller percentage of the bar, and if I go down with my 2 wounds then 1 wound is worth a lot more than if I was running no health curios

When I trigger death insurance on holy revenant and it restores 25% health then that amount is larger than otherwise and I can hang on long enough for the 2 minute cooldown to pass

It makes all those little numbers bigger, and as long as my toughness replenishment keeps up and I dodge big hits, my toughness economy can keep my bar protected and when Something Happens I have a lot more bar to play around with.

it's not a right way vs wrong way thing, but its a valid way of looking at your resources

My zealot has just shy of ogryn health and it helps a lot when using a big slow weapon

[rocky dagger]

<@&1042950387478560878> gaming?

[drowsy tusk]

Ooo perhaps

[dawn totem]

Dang, if I wasn't making dinner.

[opaque crown]

I missed the convo, but while top end the rez weakens shout I think it's plenty good for casual play, especially if the shout vet isn't using it on demand. It can save runs rather nicely in my experience.

Admittedly I don't like the rez because it fosters holding back from using the shout until someone is actually down, rather than just shouting and stopping them from going down in the first place.

[sacred pagoda]

I'm definitely not playing at top-end difficulties.

[fierce marten]

Ive been playing weapon specialist vet with revolver and i get it now, the cowboy quickdraw dream. Im not accurate but im fast

[regal pendant]

Yeehaw baybee

[fierce marten]

Sometimes I shoot before i think and my teammates sometimes sees me kill one random guy with a gun for no reason.

[drowsy vine]

<@&1042950387478560878> lookin for 2 to tide

[twin wasp]

i can tide

[drowsy vine]

epic

[drowsy vine]

is heresy ok

[distant surge]

@drowsy vine ya still going to darktide? i was hoping to play c:

[drowsy vine]

sure, feel free to hotjoin

we just started

[distant surge]

ok ok

[fierce marten]

The cursed duo, pox hound jockey
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/INx0vZMY3k

[sacred pagoda]

This is the worst thing I've ever seen.

[distant surge]

I love that

[fierce marten]

Oh yea? https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1l0el4g/thunk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

What a way to wipe though

[sonic elbow]

ah yes

stairs stormvermin flashbacks

[fierce marten]

AI director always finding a way to break the game

[distant surge]

just tried doing the train mission i didnt do too well

i did like being in a train tho

[distant surge]

i maxed out the bolter

having to get used to the power sword tho

[heavy geyser]

I see you have the boop variant

[distant surge]

I do not know it by that name why is it called that?

[heavy geyser]

because the push attack boops instead of bonks

[distant surge]

Ooooh

[distant surge]

I hated leveling its last few levels tho

All i got were failed missions

[marsh gyro]

I like Sunder blessing on the Power Sword

[distant surge]

What does it do?

[marsh gyro]

Ignores first 3 folks you cleave through on powered swings so you hit huge numbers of folks and also it boosts heavy powered swings 20%

[distant surge]

[sacred pagoda]

Rending is armor piercing, cleave is the ability to strike multiple enemies and impact is knockback/stagger, right?

[waxen patio]

Rending - armor penetration
Impact - effectiveness of stagger

[fierce marten]

Roughly yes.

[sacred pagoda]

Got it.

[waxen patio]

and cleave is yeah, effectiveness in hitting through multiple enemies

[fierce marten]

Rending has wonkiness where it can downgrade armor, so attacks that would deflect on armor would go through with less armor penalty

[fierce marten]

To add on you see something uses the word stagger (not using the word impact), it increases duration of the stagger animation

A sort of exception to cleave is the heavy eviscerator can hit and stagger multiple enemies but capped at damaging 4 max

[heavy geyser]

brittleness is rending that your teammates can take advantage of

[sacred pagoda]

Gotcha.

[fierce marten]

Huh TIL brittleness literally is rending but for the team

[heavy geyser]

its very good

I one-shot a beast of nurgle in the auric dark ritual event after an ogryn teammate applied brittle

and afaik applying brittle to captain bubbles applies it to the captain for when their bubble finally pops

[waxen patio]

Brittleness is crazy good if you have ways to apply lots of it. Firestick and Trauma psykers, can-opener ripper ogryns, etc.

[sacred pagoda]

Twin-linked stubber:

fun

[heavy geyser]

Pinning Fire & Shattering Impact with 25% Carapace is a great combo on the Bolter. It melts crusher packs.

[sacred pagoda]

I'll have to keep that in mind, I do like the bolter.

[fierce marten]

Yea a weird thing is brittleness is a debuff to enemies while most other sources of rending its a buff to you

[regal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-shoot-gif-14778186391402938865

...fuck now I wanna make a Heavy TF2 build

Twin-linked stubber as an unusualified Tomislav and a bull butcher for a Prinny Machete

Box is just his lunch that he throws at people, contains his beloved sandvich

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn should get a melta

[regal pendant]

Ogryn should get a bigass fuckin sword

Yes I've said this before, and I'll damn well say it again

[opaque crown]

i can see the vision and respect it, but im not about it tbh, swords are not very "ogryn" in my eyes

Things I want for the ogryn; A multilaser, so i can troop up with a bunch of recon lasgun users, Brass or spiked knuckles for a much speedier but shorter ranged melee option with a lot of stagger, an autocannon for a more chunka chunka cadence to shooting, a paired shield + grenade gauntlet, a brute shield to go in the armory next to the slab shield, a ball and chain with a built in momentum minigame

any new melee weapon with a big headbutt special attack as a call out to Nork Deddog

oh also a ripper variant with a wider swing

also cause the multilaser is under repped in the setting i think

this is maybe just me too, but id love some missions (this is tangential to the ogryn) where we ge to see a bit more of the ongoing conflict outside of us. The leman russ in action, the guardsmen actually shooting

that kind of hting

[worldly talon]

I really wish instead of the single-barrel stubber we got an actual autocannon

[marsh gyro]

20 shots to the entire reserve, each shot a frag bomb of boom

[waxen patio]

Maybe one day. The heavy stubber's rounds hit like a truck though, especially the Aklys variant.

[opaque crown]

I really like running it with the stacking buff against a Single target

You can really tear into a boss with it

[marsh gyro]

Can confirm, especially with new gungryn tree crit nodes

[sacred pagoda]

Ogryn should get a bigass hammer, not a sword. Otherwise I agree that they need more gigantic weapons.

[brazen fossil]

anyone to tide ?

[marsh gyro]

Alas, I cannot, continental USA work hours strike again

[sacred pagoda]

Strike! STRIKE! STRIKE!

[fierce marten]

Ogyrns could get a bigger shocker maul

Or a power hammer is that's a thing, one up crushers and their dumb regular hamner

[opaque crown]

Some of the weapons the gsc abominations get could easily be in ogryn hands

[split mantle]

That's called a Thunder Hammer.

MissCodedVIIrOS (Her/She) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1159883850562932826 message) Or a power hammer is that's a thing, one up crushers and their dumb regular hamner

[distant surge]

i want a melta for ogryn

or some kind of energy weapon

i want laser gun

[heavy geyser]

an ogryn thunder hammer is when they grab the barrel of their autocannon and swing it at something

[opaque crown]

Multilaser is what I want

As far as ogryn energy

[distant surge]

i would be cool with that

laser weapons are just cool

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn sized Thunder hammer

Im going to be a part of it but I cant wait for in 3 weeks for the game to be, oops all arbites lobbies.

[sacred pagoda]

King Dedede’a rocket hammer.

[fierce marten]

20 more days until game lobbies will be nothing but judge dredd and brooklyn 99 parodies.

If you can name the doggo im going to name mines Brooklyn K9

[fierce marten]

Huh TIL if you stack all TDR talents on Zealot with 2 toughness curios and 3 toughness perks you can tank crusher overhead and lose like 15HP

Kind of wild levels of tanky

[marsh gyro]

That's useful knowledge - was this on auric or havoc?

[fierce marten]

Auric

I was testing out some maths I did on how much do TDR nodes matter and if it matched my spreadsheet and your effective toughness being the amount of damage you'd need to take to reduce toughness to 0 and how much HP bleed there js. Enduring Faith, Benediction, Stalwart, and Good Balance which was 2 unamed 5% TDR means it'd take 792 damage to lose toughness if you had 171 toughness. I am not entirely sure if all the buffs were active or if there's more to crusher overhear damage I didnt account for.

If you wanted absolute max, chorus with defensive talent lets you tank 1320 but I think theres an error on my part somewhere cause source code says sniper does 1225 and if you do this you lose all toughness and if my math was right then I should have a sliver of toughness left. But this max one you lose like half toughness eating crusher overhead so you'd have a sizable amount of toughness left

All your DR is basically TDR so if you have 0 toughness and dont regen it immediately youre dead basically if you were taking that much damage

[fierce marten]

Doggoooo news https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/lh41b1tGqr

Apparently doggo is going to be permanent, can act independently, can ping twice to mark enemies and it pounces on humanoid enemies, can free you from mutants/Hounds, and doesn't take damage

Also a talent to remove doggo but your character is buffed

Dog has its own cosmetics and name

[marsh gyro]

The talent better be called "He's got that dog in him"

[distant surge]

i hope the arbites is also a reject could still work since they are regular humans still

they got kicked out or something

[dull parrot]

you can name the dog? Having its own cosmetics is epic of course.

[worldly talon]

must resist urge to do what I did in every DA:O run

And name the dog Barkspawn

[fierce marten]

Real chainsaw man vibes

[fierce marten]

Just speculation, but I think the arbite's might be like a regular arbite's. Grendyl has requisitioned their aid so actual arbite's are assisting the warband.

Inquisitors and arbites work together quite a bit since they have similar goals and often overlapping purposes, one of which is inquisitors and arbites are kind of first responders to known heresy

[fierce marten]

I am going to be peeved if the dog gets actual full armor before zealot does, Zealot has literal breastplate just give them pants with real protection. Cybermastiff is also metal it doesn't need more

[heavy geyser]

There's a few Zealot pants types with metal greaves that come up here and there.

The current Krieg set has a variation with this feature

[worldly talon]

There's also a variation that has that except it's leather

Or a few of thjem, rather

I use it for my Eviscerator charge unga bunga build fit

[heavy geyser]

I found these on Steam, there's someone on there who has collected shots of all the known cosmetics for all four classes https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3291947258

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198006218545/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210 Here's links to all of them

[worldly talon]

This is the one I was thinking of

Combined with this top

And an eyepatch

[fierce marten]

Whoa ive never seen those, perhaps i was too harsh on obesefish

I guess its time to buy aquilas

[distant surge]

what stats do i want in one of these?

[waxen patio]

Either dump charge rate or quell speed. Probably quell speed since you can clear peril in lots of ways and if you're using voidblast you want it charged asap so you can ragdoll crushers

[distant surge]

guess im rolling the brunt's armory dice!

[waxen patio]

but there's also a blessing for chained secondary attacks (the charge blast) charging faster with each use so you can do small -> small -> biiiiiig

actually you might also dump blast radius so you can have both charge AND quell speed

[distant surge]

that didnt take long, something like this?

[heavy geyser]

You get about a six week window to see anything so it makes sense that the pants are easy to overlook.

[distant surge]

oh i suppose i could try getting one with blast radius as the dump stat

[heavy geyser]

But I'm pleased to say it is a recurring pattern that comes up fairly often.

[waxen patio]

honestly this is one of the weapons that doesn't have a no-brainer dump stat

some psykers want minimum warp resistance for maximum peril

[distant surge]

in the build i was looking at they dumped blast radius

i'll save this last one anyways, but i`ll try looking for one with the blast dump

[waxen patio]

it genuinely wouldn't be wrong to just get multiple staves

[fierce marten]

Isnt this going to change in some way with arbites release?

[distant surge]

i got plenty of resources! it wouldnt hurt

and im loving to play psyker

[waxen patio]

like if you use the warp flurry blessing you don't really need big charge rate. But also there's great argument for using a 76%-all staff

not that those are especially likely to chance across

[distant surge]

got one im lucky today!

[waxen patio]

remember to favorite these ones so you don't discard em

[distant surge]

i could also try and find a 76% staff later

they made it easier for you to make the weapons better now anyways!

for now i'll just worry about getting it to level 20

[waxen patio]

yeah the only thing you really gamble is the max stat distribution, and you can just bulk buy at brunt's until you get what you want and then upgrade it

[heavy geyser]

If it is I don't think I saw it. The shop updates every 2 weeks and has three spots, which is how I got the six week window. Are they improving the shop?

[fierce marten]

Not sure, i see it on reddit but its reddit.

[heavy geyser]

I think it would be nice if, e.g., that whole page of cosmetics, you can just buy what you want whenever, like Sea of Thieves has.

I suspect they don't do it that way to make these strata of players whose gear shows what eras of the game they played in. Some stuff hasn't returned to the shop and a lot has like weirdly similar recolors or minor details, like blue vs black Krieg stuff for a while.

[distant surge]

is doing missions the best way to level up weapons?

[marsh gyro]

If you do a threat 5 mission you get about 38k mastery to a gun and that rules because sacrificing blues only gets you like 11k per copy

[heavy geyser]

The best way is to have a level 30 character you can run aurics with and do a bunch of aurics to get money to buy and sacrifice junk weapons

[marsh gyro]

It takes about 300k-400k ordo dockets to spam buy greys and bless them to greens to sacrifice to get to mastery 20 and running threat 5s or aurics to get those dockets will get you a huge chunk of mastery for other guns too

[fierce marten]

Buy copies the the weapon from brunt on sale, sacrifice the to hadron

greys can be upgraded to green for a small amount of pasteel

[distant surge]

right right....

[waxen patio]

You can sacrifice any weapon for any other weapon so don't limit yourself to just copies

[fierce marten]

Yea, using different types is fairly inefficient if youre a new player unless youre set on leveling a single weapon

The XP you lose from not matching weapon family is quite a lot

[waxen patio]

TIL. I'm drowning in dockets so I never really thought of it

[fierce marten]

Its something you forget once youve upgraded mostly everything you want

[waxen patio]

I'm purely just doing things for mastery completion penances so idrc about 80% of the weapons I'm forced to use

[fierce marten]

I don't look at penaces really, but I do want all my weapons at mastery 20 just in case some update happens that makes them good so I can try it immediately. There's some I just don't like only master the via sacrifice and not in mission

[opaque crown]

i honestly do things the inefficient way and just play a bunch of games with the gun in question

to get it to level 20

[fierce marten]

I dont penances cause some seem unfun, and i really do what i find fun in darktide which is like just normal gameplay. It still hasn't gotten stale even though i havent had a goal in mind for the last few hundred hours

[marsh gyro]

Yeah sometimes you gotta make your own fun like I was tracking shots fired per mission for a while

[distant surge]

I usually do the penances that you can do by playing the game normally

[drowsy tusk]

It’s generally cheaper to sell weapons of a different type and buy the correct type from brunt, the difference in received xp is significant

[waxen patio]

There's certainly a bunch of penances I do NOT care to do as they're either super niche or annoying to do, and more than a few of them are only achievable with dedicated long term play with a given class. I just wanna get the weapons all mastered.

[sacred pagoda]

I like how the Kickback and Rumbler are just the same gun with different ammo.

It's just a little amusing to me.

[fierce marten]

Ive done it done. My legs protected

[regal pendant]

Not as protected as mine

...wait no they're literally the same pants

Fuck

[fierce marten]

Got you

[heavy geyser]

That looks good with that top

[fierce marten]

It helps the top has a skirt that covers your entire upper leg

So I literally can only see knees and below

green pants and you barely see upper half

[sonic elbow]

gonna be pretty funny if the arbites gets the same prison barge and "listen fucker I won't waste my breath explaining to you because you're going to die on your next mission" canned prologue

[dull parrot]

No? they’re changing some aspects of darktide story progression

[fierce marten]

You wake up in the prison barge, arbites piloting the barge, a reject starts talking to you "hey you, you're finally awake"

Itd be funny if PC arbites is basically just Hadvor from skyrim, he saw the reject do something impossible and is like, youre going to be useful come with me.

[opaque crown]

I do think it would be funny for the arbites to be a reject because he was too extreme or because he supports the pre-Guilliman's return Lex

And for some reason his dog is also a reject

[distant surge]

there's jeans in the 41st millennium?

[marsh gyro]

They got whole planets that make nothing but jeans

[distant surge]

Honestly i wouldnt be that surprised if that was true

[marsh gyro]

Is the skulls event supposed to have 3 captain spawns and 3 chaos spawn spawns by the first medicae because while it sure is neat it's tough to fight when there's 3 active monstrosities and health bars for 2

[spiral badger]

it can if there are multiple pillars close together and you gget unlucky

that's just how it be

[marsh gyro]

That was exactly it, so that's how it works

[heavy geyser]

They keep getting stolen.

[fierce marten]

Yea happened to me too

It was 2 plague Ogyrns and a beast of nurgle on an indoor map,

The one where you have to drop from a bridge at the start and cross it into a large building, things were fine until another plague Ogyrn showed up and everyone ran out of everything fast.

Thunderhammer Zealot is once again winning at these events if you play one

[marsh gyro]

Yeah I was doing twin stubber Gungryn with a nice thunderous bully club for softening up big targets because Gungryn's just neat and wound up switching to left tree melee ogryn with single stubber and 25% damage taunt instead because it does about twice the melee damage

[sacred pagoda]

The bully club is surprisingly fun.

[distant surge]

my baby

also i agree i love the bully club

[waxen patio]

I'd run carapace instead of unarmored, otherwise yep that's a trauma staff. Anything unarmored isn't going to survive more than a single blast so +25% damage is gonna go nowhere

Plus with carapace you get more done when you're ragdolling Crusher packs (along with everyone else in the room)

[distant surge]

ok

[drowsy tusk]

Carapace, flak and maniac are all solid choices

[distant surge]

something is not right here

[lost cave]

Question: is the Arbites going to be payed or free?

[drowsy vine]

Paid

11.99 US, apparently

[regal pendant]

Pissed on the wrong person's shoes

[distant surge]

Well guess im saving the money i planned to spend on a character skin

[frank igloo]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520841474254833699?l=english

How many different Personalities can Arbitrator players choose from?

MW: As with the other (non-Ogryn) classes there are three distinct Personalities to choose from, with a male and female version of each.

The Authoritarian, performed by Devora Wilde and Mark Takeshi Ota, is very much a by-the-book Arbitrator, unflinching in their duty to the Lex Imperialis. By contrast, the Fatalist, played by Lara Sawalha and Michael Geary, is much more aware of the price that law-keeping exacts. Last of all is the Maul, brought to life by Alix Wilton Regan and David Boyle. They’re a lot more…

MK: Antisocial.

MW: Yes, that’s a good way to put it.

[marsh gyro]

Gonna play as a soundtrack plenty of tracks by the Clash while playing the new class

[dull parrot]

the Fatalist sounds a lot like the lose cannon veteran + Loner Psyker which is neat
The Maul sounds like they're going to be very fun to hear or be very annoying, with the judge zealot tell them to calm down a little 😂

[distant surge]

whats the dump stat for blaze force greatsword?

[mortal crystal]

Mobility

if Mobility or Defence is a stat they're the dump

[distant surge]

really? i thought mobility was important!

[mortal crystal]

Mobility's increases are fairly minor at best

the most important part is the dodge charges and a stat of 60 gets you above that threshold

[distant surge]

i see i see

[mortal crystal]

Mobility between weapon types is something to note (Vet Power Swords having shit mobility is a very real downside), but as an actual stat roll it's inconsequential

[distant surge]

i just noticed

it has no mobility

[mortal crystal]

Shit

Defences

[distant surge]

thank you Micky

[mortal crystal]

Defences and Mobility are the answer

[regal pendant]

...was the slap completely removed?

[marsh gyro]

It's on the bully clubs

[regal pendant]

Is it?

All I see on the clubs is punch

[distant surge]

Can confirm, i use the bully club

[regal pendant]

...huh, it IS still on the club

Sorry

That was a stupid question

[distant surge]

slap

And dont worry

I dont think it was stupid

[marsh gyro]

The weapon screen calls it a punch, in practice it's a slap

It's pretty confusing, no worries

Cleaver uppercut staggers like an uppercut while shovel uppercut and bully club slaps stagger like explosions for another example of "it does what now!?!"

[waxen patio]

Yeah almost always if Defenses or Mobility is on a weapon it's the least impactful stat. The stats are a % modifier of fixed values and Defenses/Mobility's fixed values are very small whole numbers, so you get like +0.5 of a dodge.

I think one of the only things that might like it are the turbo-speed builds with knives and pistols.

[heavy geyser]

I dump stat Stability on Bolt Pistol because it doesn't shoot fast enough for that to matter and its nice to have 80 mobility when I switch off my sword between engagements.

its nice for gettin around

[marsh gyro]

The weapons have different mobility ranges so on a lot of weapons 60 vs 80 mobility is 18% sprint speed differential and on some of 'em it's like a 45% differential

I've committed to 60% damage / 80% mobility on most my guns these days to be paired with a 80% damage / 60% mobility swap and it works good having a dedicated go fast weapon

E.g., 80% mobility Devil's claw to go with 80% damage Bolter

[heavy geyser]

I have a goofy experimental relic blade that runs 80% mobility, 60% heat management and Energy Leakage/Rampage blessings. The theory is bad heat management builds heat faster and bleeds it off slower so you'd get the high damage boost faster and longer

the stack distribution is a bit wack, though, so you never really get to take advantage of 5 stacks and you have no stacks early on. If they can shift the numbers it might be a real sword someday.

Broken, sparking relic blade.

iirc the fifth stack of Energy Leakage is at 90% so you maybe get it for one swing before you need to turn it off or the swing itself overheats it.

[marsh gyro]

When leveling Relic Blade mastery I did run with a 0% damage sword for quite a while because Powered Swings uses a different stat and the damage stat is just for the unpowered swings

[spiral badger]

oh lmao

female Maul arbites voice actor is kerillian

ELF

ELLLLFFFF!

[waxen patio]

"what's an aeldari doing in the adeptus arbites"

[distant surge]

Who's Kerillian?

[opaque crown]

Wood Elf from Vermintide

[distant surge]

Ooh

[waxen patio]

constantly refers to everyone as mayflies

[sonic elbow]

competitive racism champion 2523 I.C.

[opaque crown]

Lumberfoots too

[worldly talon]

Literally least racist Wood Elf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIzwBy2KsRI

[fierce marten]

Ye ye I saw this too

Arbites are not rejects, the prison ship in the intro was an arbites one, they're holding Grendyl responsible, and they're not happy Zola has put rejects to the frontlines

[dull parrot]

Oh man my lose cannon vet is going to have a field day with coppers in the strike teams

[fierce marten]

I want the most snide antagonistic banter

Loosecannon interactions usually have the best banter

[waxen patio]

truly though, the last ten poxbursters I've been perfectly okay to deal with safely via push got interrupted by a trigger happy dork >:T

[dull parrot]

I am bias because my darktide character is my OC my 40k-sona

[spiral badger]

the arbites is definitely taking the Elf position in the party

[soft summit]

In that no one likes them?

[spiral badger]

"I shouldn't even be here, you're all unwashed scum, the fact that I have to cooperate with you is demeaning to me and my entire kind"

[soft summit]

or that

[spiral badger]

"Yeah yeah now shut up and help me shoot that guy"

[regal pendant]

HOLY SMOKES, MONSTER HUNTER/DARKTIDE CROSSOVER CONFIRMED?????????????

[soft summit]

I'm curious what the Fatalist is gonna be like

they're the one that interests me the most tbh

I imagine the Authoritorian is Judge Dredd, and the Maul is full ACAB

[spiral badger]

the name and the description suggests that they're like

[regal pendant]

Naw, the Maul is absolutely a sociopath

[spiral badger]

"i have done this job a long time"

"crime continues"

[regal pendant]

The kind of cop that's ITCHING for an excuse to brutalize someone that can't fight back

[soft summit]

I meant in the sense of like them being an utter bastard

[spiral badger]

"i have no illusions anything I am doing will ultimately help but I cannot do nothing"

[soft summit]

so yeah

[regal pendant]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooh

I thought you meant their position was ACAB

Sorry

[soft summit]

and that's kinda what I figured KZA

no worries

They're fully aware ACAB, because they are one

[regal pendant]

I'm still intensely curious as to how they'll all interact with the ex-Enforcer

[soft summit]

(granteed that could also apply to the FAtalist, depending on interpretation)

[soft summit]

whom?

[spiral badger]

savant psyker

they're a former enforcer (local cop) who was done in on trumped up charges

[regal pendant]

French psyker

[spiral badger]

roughly they're the disgraced former local cop to the arbites FBI

[soft summit]

Ah, yeah them

[spiral badger]

they're constantly talking arbites-lite shit

banging on about the Lex

[fierce marten]

A big thing is an enforcer enforces laws, arbite's word is the law

[opaque crown]

An enforcer is a bully boy, a cop. An arbites is a judge from Judge Dredd from 2000AD

[fierce marten]

Their authority is higher than the planet's governor, and sometimes they're tasked to take a planet's governor dead or alive. Only high lords of terra have more sway than time officially

[soft summit]

In paper at least

[fierce marten]

Unofficially when it comes to Rogue Traders,Inquisitors, Astartes, an others that are outside the normal legal system its whoever has the bigger sway, guns, or leverage

[spiral badger]

arbites are also intentionally foreigners

the "local" arbites to a system or planet are always assigned from out-system

to prevent them from being beholden or tied to any local loyalties

[split mantle]

Same principles as the commissariat, right?

[spiral badger]

basically yes

they're also schola kids

so they're being trained basically next door to the commisariat

[marsh gyro]

Who enforces internal affairs for the Arbites

[spiral badger]

more senior arbites, generally

specifically one of the most common issues is referred to as "abstraction"

which is the term for an arbites coming to believe they are truly above the law and do not ultimately answer to the Lex Imperialis

this is usually dealt with by the local Judge (second highest rank area of the arbites, below the Marshals) calling in other Arbites to capture their wayward buddy for sentencing

a common subgroup assigned these unfortunate cases is the Mortiurge, who are basically the Arbites assassination office

[fierce marten]

Random but one of the arbites voice is bg3 lae'zel's VA

[opaque crown]

effectively the arbites are the imperial equivalent of the feds; but also its REALLY normal to have multiple arbites precincts on any world developed enough to have a hive

[drowsy tusk]

My fav darktide va in something else is the bodyguard ogryn has done a bunch of 40k audiobooks

[fierce marten]

He seems like he'd have the 40k narrator voice

Its good and iconic but most 40k narration channels have a consistent vibe

[spiral badger]

the only other one i recognize except her and kerillian is michael geary
because he's already in the game as Kayex

[fierce marten]

Huh I didnt realize it was him, probaby cause kayax's voice has that tech priest autotune.

[worldly talon]

Another is Kerillian

And I'm very much wishing she does the same accent

For...You know. Reasons.

[regal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-smug-spongebob-squarepants-gif-9547716225990610286

[fierce marten]

Based on Kerillian, her voicing antisocial arbites is very fitting

[regal pendant]

Lmao the chaos spawn got stuck

[fierce marten]

Is there before or after you're supposed to go on the elevator

Cause if its before that's a chaos spawn camper

[marsh gyro]

Does anyone have any boss damage speed tips for Ogryn because I'm very jealous of my thunder hammer and krak nade teammates in the skulls event - seems like chaos spawns run away faster than I can chase in melee

[heavy geyser]

The boss killer build I had pre-revision was right side gungryn with the burn stack node on gun mode

and a twin stubber

for melee its gotta be something like left side branx pickaxe

[waxen patio]

Twin stubber burny is the boss melter yeah

Tip for veterans, a krak grenade will instantly destroy an altar before a chaos spawn can show up

[opaque crown]

Try rolling single heavy Stubber with the improved damage stacking on single target, also with burny and compare the boss damage

[marsh gyro]

Which mark are you thinking? 30 rounder?

[opaque crown]

honestly not sure, but yeah I think thats my initial instinct

[distant surge]

ignore me last messages i was in the wrong channel!

[fierce marten]

Darktide is hard, when arbites comes out im going to have to decide between lae'zel and kerillian for female arbites. If i had a nickel for every VA in darktide that played a specist woman in a game...

[marsh gyro]

Can you change voices at the barber or nah? Might make it easier to pick

[distant surge]

Anyone of note doing the male Arbites voices?

[distant surge]

You can!

They added it last year i think

[spiral badger]

mike geary, who does Kayex, is one of them

i don't recognize the others

[distant surge]

Is kayex the mechanicus guy?

[spiral badger]

the welsh one yeah

[distant surge]

[marsh gyro]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1l4x0zi/adeptus_arbites_voice_actors/

Enginseer KX-8 is the Fatalist

[distant surge]

I think you can change genders now btw? Would have to test that

I know you can change almost anything

[marsh gyro]

Trip Report from Branx land: It sure is neat doing 25% of a monstrosity health bar each heavy attack and it sure takes forever to wind up because everything is on fire and nobody seems to want to punch the boss shield (see the fire part) and Branx deletes enemies from the timeline 1 at a time so it gets a little exhausting charging heavies and alternating push / heavy

I've resorted to using Blaze Away / Pierce slapback for mook clear

[drowsy vine]

If you do special or push into heavy into light, then loop heavy -> light, you do get a horde clear combo

[marsh gyro]

yeah that's the one I settled into, it's a good one because even the push attack knocks out a dreg shooter

I was just laughing at the experience as a jape since the prior build was Bull Butcher light attack cleave stacks Cleaver that's the Fist of the North Star level of poxwalker clear

[heavy geyser]

The curse of having a captain deleter move is no one believes you that you can delete the captain and so they'll mash the bubble back with baby hits as quick as they can

[marsh gyro]

Oh yeah I gotta try finesse Shroudfield Relic Blade soon to replicate those GIFs, that's wild performance

[fierce marten]

Oh? What gifs

[marsh gyro]

Turns out I misimagined the GIFs, they were just screens of high impact Relic Blade stabs from over on the Something Awful Darktide thread:
https://imgur.com/sdGJdEX

[fierce marten]

Oh wow I haven't heard of something awful in a long time

Maybe I should the darktide reddit is lacking in some ways. Has occasional fun posts but most just parrot popular consensus without much or any proof to claims.

[mortal crystal]

the something awful darktide thread is pretty active and it has a server attached that you'll see some familiar faces in

[heavy geyser]

that person is testing my setup 😁

I can field any questions about the big funny stab setup

[fierce marten]

Like a discord server?

I don't remember what of many emails my old something awful account used

[mortal crystal]

yep

it's also the Hunt Showdown server

for some reason

[distant surge]

I want it for myself

[heavy geyser]

This is my big stab build.

You get 15 momentum, you can use a red stimm if you want, if there's an ogryn to give you the damage aura or something to apply brittleness it helps a lot but even without it you turn your sword on and press shroudfield and stab a monstrosity in the back and you will take a big chunk of life off of it.

prioritize stabbing the back over stabbing the weakpoint if you can't hit a weakpoint from the back

You can also use this to stab a crusher in the head from the front to one-shot it

It's a strong all-purpose weapon with a bit of a learning curve but in this configuration its powered dash heavy stab is also a Problem Remover. Additional use of the shroudfield when not stabbing include popping it while horde clearing to give yourself damage reduction and 5 seconds of toughness regen to negate chip damage, use it to revive downed teammates in tight spots or get halfway through a data interrogator uninterrupted. You can also pop shroudfield, pick up batteries and dashslide with them while you're invisible.

It's a very versatile skill, in addition to the monster murdering.

[heavy geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay5Tdet0J2c

[distant surge]

thank you Rally

I shall level up the relic blade and stab my enemies

[drowsy vine]

Ah. They made the Arbites Shotgun pump action.

💸

[fierce marten]

Imagine, magazine fed shotgun

[heavy geyser]

may the beasts of nurgle quake at the very sight of you

[fierce marten]

I saw a weird shroudfield build that used loner/Fortitude in fellowship/toughness regen curio perk with pious/invocation. The idea is you get shroudfield to be less than 5 second CD

And just never be seen to be hit

[drowsy tusk]

Ummmm actchually the (not double barrel) shotguns in this game already are fed by a magazine

It’s a tube magazine

[heavy geyser]

The DRG Engineer shotgun has a detachable drum magazine. It's a bit of a tragedy.

[marsh gyro]

I like the Destiny energy shotguns where the shells are batteries

Does 40k have a plasma shotgun?

[drowsy tusk]

Not off the top of my head

[heavy geyser]

I think this is basically what the melta guns are

or the plasma guns themselves

[drowsy tusk]

Melta are sometimes fire and sometimes a beam and sometimes a invisible beam that melts all in its path (evil microwave) and it’s a fire shotgun fart with reverb thing in space marine video games

[distant surge]

is the arbites armor going to be a separate purchase?

[heavy geyser]

it looks like you get a set of cosmetics with the DLC

if "instantly unlocks" means that it comes with the $12 robocop

[fierce marten]

I'm just a fraud

If the right is the default cybermastiff I see why the cultists in the trailer were scared

This is a dog that wants to murder

The skin one looks friendly though

[drowsy tusk]

I mean being less annoying about gun terminology than I just means your more well adjusted as a person or something

This is my fav mastiff sculpt

[waxen patio]

this is friend shaped

[regal pendant]

Don't care for the helmet but that armor is peak shit

Definitely think I'll drop a few dollars extra for it

[heavy geyser]

I have a suspicion that you will not be able to choose not to have a helmet. I don't think the character creator will be the same one the human Rejects use.

You might just pick a base helmet that ornaments go on top of and your choice of Scowl.

I can imagine it not letting you have hair or eyes or any sympathetic facial features. Just that scowl and a helmet.

[distant surge]

ok good

[regal pendant]

Oh no I mean the deluxe edition helmet

Regular one is fine

I hope they have a full-visor helmet that completely conceals your face

[heavy geyser]

The deluxe edition one looks like its just the big eagle crest

Like, look at the shapes of the visor and top of the head compared to default

[regal pendant]

Aye, which looks rather a bit silly to me

[heavy geyser]

You might not be getting "a face"

[regal pendant]

Which would be thematically fitting

...god I cannot wait to see how they interact with the rejects

[heavy geyser]

⭐ Yon Officer is Downe ⭐

[fierce marten]

It'd fitting for an arbites to always wear a helmet

They're not individuals, they're the same hand of high Terra and enforcers of the lex

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bodegang-vangraffs-officer-down-fireworks-gif-16339851

[heavy geyser]

Get off the ground, Arbitrator, there be no boot for ye down there.

[fierce marten]

Hey now, arbites have the authority to lick their own boots unless a high lord of terra says to lick theirs

In 40k fashion, they often feel above the average citizen cause they very much are and will remind you of that often unless youre not subjected to the lex

[worldly talon]

IIRC the Van Saar in Necromunda get essentially a Las Shotgun

But IDK about plasma

Arbites are the boot

I can see a lot of animus between the one Enforcer Psyker and the Arbites

[spiral badger]

either animus or attempts at sucking up that get kicked in the teeth

[worldly talon]

Both because psyker, and because he's just an Enforcer

this is very stupid

but my favorite depiction in anything so far

...Is probably the TTS bit with the Arbites as Youtube moderation

"ATTENTION CITIZEN. MULTIPLE THIRD-PARTY INDIVIDUALS HAVE REPORTED ONE OR MORE OF YOUR RECENT ACTIONS AS BEING INAPPROPRIATE."

"SORRY, WE CANNOT ACCEPT ANY PLEAS FOR MERCY AT THIS TIME AS AN EXISTING PLEA FOR MERCY IS BEING PROCESSED."

[distant surge]

[worldly talon]

"WE APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING."

[distant surge]

any stories of arbites getting humbled?

[spiral badger]

worse, he's a disgraced enforcer

"You couldn't even hack it in that clown show?"

[worldly talon]

Way back when Inquisitor was a thing, one of the characters they aded was a disgraced Arbitrator

Who had basically become addicted to combat drugs, and become corrupt rather than get cut off or be censured due to it.

Which ended badly as the Adeptus Arbites tend to react to blatant corruption amongst their number about like the Sisters of Battle would if somebody started growing tentacles and talking about how plague is sometimes a good thing.

[spiral badger]

second worst possible arbites sin

after Abstraction

[worldly talon]

They have the Judge Dredd thing going on

Where they're simultaneously jackbooted fascist judges, juries, and executioners, but also 100% dedicated to doing it all by the book

[spiral badger]

yeah

with Abstraction being the term for when they decide they are the book

[worldly talon]

Yep

[distant surge]

They sure look cool tho

[worldly talon]

Because deciding that you are worthy to interpret the Lex Imperialis by yourself is Heresy of the highest order

[distant surge]

Isnt the lex imperialis stupid big?

[spiral badger]

yes

[distant surge]

Like a whole building big?

[spiral badger]

it's literally 10,000 years+ of rulinggs

[worldly talon]

Like takes up an entire hive on Terra big

[spiral badger]

because it's mocking british common law

[distant surge]

Imperium dumb

[marsh gyro]

Everything is bigger in Lex-as

[worldly talon]

It's also incomplete

Because every planet/sector/situation is going to have their own rulings

[spiral badger]

also each planet has its own sublaws

[worldly talon]

And almost none of those make it back to Terra in a timely manner

[spiral badger]

for example the cop psyker is constantly banging on about the Lex Atoma

which is the local laws of atoma

[worldly talon]

So it just keeps growing with useless laws that are litearlly never going to be relevant

[spiral badger]

as a result the sort of joke is that all arbites are to some degree, Abstracting

all the time

[worldly talon]

keep in mind this is also the system where if you get arrested by the Arbites for literally anything, you are going to die in prison

Because you will die of old age before your case makes it through the system to be looked at

[spiral badger]

because beyond the most basic and obvious crimes they're all working off at best a small fraction of the law

which is why they mostly just get the reputation of shooting you

[worldly talon]

Also teh first thing they do in case of any civil unrest is to kill all their prisoners

[spiral badger]

because shooting you for resisting means a lack of complication

[worldly talon]

Because if the precinct falls they don't want them potentially damning their souls by joining the uprising

And by 'precinct' we generally mean 'literally a goddamn fortress'

[spiral badger]

there are arbites judges and magistrates who are supposed to do more complex law interpretation, but there aren't very many and the imperium is largeg

so yeah you'll probably die in prison waiting to be heard

unless you're a very special case

[fierce marten]

Say theorhetically they maybe could kill all prisoners on a barge if there was a breakout so the perpetrator will be dead.

[worldly talon]

"Better a thousand innocents perish than a single guilty person goes unpunished"

That's literally the logic they're working on

[fierce marten]

Basically the intro but they were interrupted by the cultists

[spiral badger]

if you're special, rich, or powerful obviously you'll get some special treatment

[worldly talon]

Which is why we're in the game situation

[fierce marten]

Like many things in 40k its nonsensical, and bad in a funny way.

[worldly talon]

Because one instance where Arbites authority just plain does not apply is with the Inquisition

[spiral badger]

the other arbites problem is that they're one of like 4 different imperial organs that are somewhat "above the law"

yeah

so interactions with the inquisition come down to, who's got more leverage

which usually means, more guns in the immediate sector

[worldly talon]

Inquisition, Arbites, Rogue Traders, Space Marines, etc.

[spiral badger]

in this case grendyl appears to have the upper hand for now

[worldly talon]

At least the SoB still technically have to answer to the Ecclesiarchy as a whole

[spiral badger]

so the arbites are somewhat reluctantly joining in to help

[fierce marten]

Brahm says they'd leave Atoma right away cause they know something bad is brewing but they cant

Grendyl's got leverage on a rogue trader which is big since the RT whole deal is being on the move

[spiral badger]

grendyl's up to something unrelated to the cult thing too

the various stories have come together to show he was in system and doing Something years/months before this went bad

[fierce marten]

Grendyl probably has something to keep arbites from taking over the ops since devblog said they hold Grendyl responsible for the prison breakout and very much want to just assault the cult until none are left and they'll be arbites NPC on the site. Grendyl has stuff on everyone

[spiral badger]

and likely whatever that is is why he's having you hold the line instead of just declaring exterminatus and leavving

[heavy geyser]

Oh you know what

There's a door at the very far end of the Mourningstar that has looked suspiciously like an unfinished room. The door and windows are shuttered but they're also the same shape as Krall's shop right next door

I can see that becoming the Arbites representative officer room.

[spiral badger]

extremely rough timeline appears to be:

Grendyl arrives on planet, vanishes somewhere pursuing something, leaving rannick in command
rannick recruits zola as local assistance for whatever is going on
wolfer's rebellion begins. Initially rannick et al think it's just normal minor unrest.
wolfer is captured during the initial stages
Tancred Bastion Incident
wolfer's rebellion intensifies, rejects deployed
and then most recently, the Admonition is discovered as another malicious force, and a wider war footing is declared

[heavy geyser]

Inquisition guys are posted at all the corners and Dukane is in the main room so if the Arbites are anywhere they'd be down by Atonement Unit's end of the ship.

[fierce marten]

Mortis trials had extra bits

[heavy geyser]

In that currently-shuttered room

[fierce marten]

Zola and Wolfer are siblings

[spiral badger]

only probably

[fierce marten]

Wolfer was recruited as a guardsmen as tithes

[spiral badger]

there's a lot of links but there's still nothing definite

unlike morrow who has been confirmed 100% as an actual, no shit, first war for armageddon survivor

[fierce marten]

No she says literally the tithes man are taking her brother away from her

[spiral badger]

yes

and there's some stuff that implies wolfer might be that brother

but we still don't have a smoking gun

[fierce marten]

She uses a code name Byron for her brother, and there's a cutscene with a tablet that says both Byron and Wolf under a personnel file

[spiral badger]

her brother is named tibiron

[fierce marten]

The end of the ritual cutscene has that, a cultist drops a tablet

[spiral badger]

wolfer is biron wolfer

again, strong possibility but not yet 100%

[heavy geyser]

I thought Morrow fought Orks, the first war was nids right?

[spiral badger]

no morrow fought chaos

[fierce marten]

They use code names, wolfer doesn't call Zola by her real name and vice versa

[spiral badger]

the first war was chaos

[heavy geyser]

oh right

it was chaos

[fierce marten]

Biron is the codename

[spiral badger]

which is why it's the forgotten war

[heavy geyser]

all the Armageddon gear in the shop is about fighting orks

in their lore themeing

[spiral badger]

yeah because the second and third wars are against orks

[heavy geyser]

They also match Morrow's uniform

[spiral badger]

in official imperial histories they're the first and second wars

[heavy geyser]

which is why I thought he was an Ork fighter

[spiral badger]

the first war is erased because it would possibly make armageddon too corrupt to be saved

and at this point sunk cost is fully in

that's why morrow is so squirrely about which war he fought in

[quiet escarp]

The 30k Dark Angels get plasma flamethrower shotguns

[spiral badger]

someone's likely told him to keep his mouth shut about it

[fierce marten]

He also has his brain scrambled

[spiral badger]

yeah

honestly he may not even know there were other wars

[heavy geyser]

there's only one battle for armageddon that matters, ma'am

[fierce marten]

I think someone on rannick's team found morrow's past but didn't tell morrow

[heavy geyser]

must be data gremlins

dang, he slipped the sterilize-and-quarantine loop

Here I thought he was an Ork man

[spiral badger]

yeah he got extraordinarily lucky

[heavy geyser]

My small hope is a playable Ork freeboota who can share some of the Ogryn's weapon pool, since they're about the same size as an Ogryn.

[spiral badger]

most of the survivors of the first war were purged

for potential corruption

[heavy geyser]

It's within technical parameters

[spiral badger]

between that and it being like 700 years ago by the point of darktide almost everyone he could have possibly known is dead

the only exceptions being some of the space marines

[fierce marten]

You mignt be thinking about Commissar Yarrick which had an intense rivalry with arguably the most dangerous warboss.

Commissar Cain was involved with abbadon the despoiler

Involved being, they shared a battlefield

[heavy geyser]

They sold Yarrick's hat and bolt pistol in the shop around that time too

[fierce marten]

I do have the hat

It's an odd choice

I guess yarrick's is just cooler than Cain and maybe that's why?

[heavy geyser]

It's mostly just one of the commissar hats combined with the glowy eye cosmetic

[spiral badger]

we don't actually know any unique gear for cain

his stuff would just look like standard valhallan comissar get

[distant surge]

Did they actually had yarrick's hat for sale as a cosmetic?

[heavy geyser]

Yarrick's bolt pistol has laurel decals on it but it's the same curved-magazine base model every bolt pistol except the Branx Livery uses

[spiral badger]

they had a comissar cap and a glowy eye

[fierce marten]

Moreso his entire headish

[spiral badger]

which is the Yarrick Trademark

[distant surge]

[heavy geyser]

which is funny because the Branx Livery model with the straight magazine has objectively better iron sights on it than the one they make all the cosmetics out of.

[heavy geyser]

Speaking of which, I wish they'd give us a way to put the candle back on the candle bolter model

[fierce marten]

My legally distinct Commissioner-Yorik

[heavy geyser]

yeah that's the Yarrick Hat

[quiet escarp]

Honestly I think the cap and eye is just iconic to commissars in general. Lots of the models have had it besides Yarick, though obviously he's the poster boy

[fierce marten]

Its not a default for Commissar's

[spiral badger]

yarricks is unique in that the glowy eye is legitimately a lasgun

[fierce marten]

Also many model's are based on yarrick

[spiral badger]

rather than simply being an augumetic eye

[distant surge]

[heavy geyser]

People went on the Fatshark Forums and complained that this "hindered aiming" and ruined a beautiful thing for everyone.

[spiral badger]

the orks believed he had the "killing eye" and so he decided to make it literal

[fierce marten]

Yea normally its just a laser eye

[heavy geyser]

The main Yarrick thing is his Bionik Arm

[fierce marten]

I can barely see what im shooting at

[distant surge]

do you think the Orks made him stronger by thinking he was so cool?

[heavy geyser]

the big ork arm

[spiral badger]

yes

yarrick is almost certainly empowered on some level by the waaaaaagh

not that he'd ever agree

[fierce marten]

Theres no way to survive a hit from Ghazghkull even with his special gear

[heavy geyser]

That's how most iron sights work. This thing ruled and I want it back.

[finite nymph]

What is the level of like inworld understanding of ork bullshit, I know there's that story of the guy pretending his gun still had ammo by yelling

[fierce marten]

Yea and the modern solution is scopes

Mounted a bit higher to see more of whats happening, its 40k so fitting ig. The distance we shoot at iron sights work enough.

[spiral badger]

there's a lot of inquisition ordo xenos research into the waaaaagh and its effects but it's kept pretty mum

[heavy geyser]

Scopes are a different solution to a different problem

[fierce marten]

I still modded it with a different scope

I want to hit something far away and a scope with a dot where it hits and i can see the full body of the target

[heavy geyser]

playable ork having a waaagh shout that boosted movespeed and attackspeed for the 'umies

and TDR

but no gold toughness

[distant surge]

Btw

[fierce marten]

Orks would make a great horde shooter

[distant surge]

The ship belongs to a Rogue trader right?

[heavy geyser]

yeah

Shipmistress Brahms owns the ship

and Commodore Hallowette is her right hand, I believe.

[distant surge]

That makes me think a xenos character isnt THAT far fetched....

[fierce marten]

I'm sure Brahms will enjoy having arbites on her ship

[heavy geyser]

She hates everyone aboard her ship so much

[distant surge]

I like her

[fierce marten]

If Inquisitor's underlings weren't bad enough arbites.

[distant surge]

Cop

[fierce marten]

Inquisitor is basically a not so secret police

[heavy geyser]

I like a lot of things about how Fatshark's writing team handles 40K in this game, it's sympathetic to the working people and the folks under the boot of tyranny, and the missions you go on are often about restoring clean water or similar. You're not glorified or antagonistic towards regular people.

But also a lot of the authority figures you work under in this game are women.

[fierce marten]

But ours does chaos rather than tithe evading governors like arbites do

[heavy geyser]

There's a ton of women in strong leadership positions here

[distant surge]

[fierce marten]

Fatshark doing what GW won't

[distant surge]

The inquisitor may not be a women but he's also real cool

I like how they handled everyone

[fierce marten]

The thing about Grendyl is we know very little

[heavy geyser]

And also even as they're pitching the Arbites class they frame it as an inglourious bludgeon of fascist control

you're not a Good Cop

[distant surge]

Attention scum

[fierce marten]

Also note, amongst inquisitors Grendyl is a weird one. Brahm mentions he's too aggressive for one. They usually don't have a private military made of prisoners sent towards their problem, usually much more subtle

[heavy geyser]

Like, selling a $12 space cop player fantasy but you also make sure to frame it like,
`To the people of the Imperium, the officers of the Adeptus Arbites are instruments of repression. Visible and feared enforcers of Imperial tyranny, the Arbitrators uphold the Emperor’s justice, but the laws they ruthlessly enforce have nothing to do with protecting the innocent or the weak. The Lex Imperialis exists to ensure the perpetuation of the despotic Imperial machine, for the alternative is anarchy and the extinction of Mankind.

By contrast, the primary duty of the Adeptus Arbites is to make sure that the Imperial tithe is paid in full and on time. Their squads of armoured officers put down industrial riots that would endanger a world’s production quotas, close down traffickers bleeding useful workers away from their rightful position and break up illicit trading cartels that imperil sub-sector economies or, worse, treat with xenos. Planetary governors who evade their tithe payments can also find themselves under the Arbitrators’ eyes.

The men and women who dispense justice as Arbitrators are grim and uncompromising individuals. Arbitrators must be harsh in the execution of their duty; mercy is a weakness unbecoming of an officer of the Lex Imperialis.`

[distant surge]

I mean Grendyl seems like he wants to solve the problem at least

[fierce marten]

Arbite's and inquisitors usually complement each other as first responders to any noted heresy within bordwrs

[heavy geyser]

I think they do good about handling the Imperium and what it's satirical of without spilling into oorah space marine glorification of something very ugly and real

I think its a good game

[fierce marten]

The story bits are good

[distant surge]

The game feels grounded

[fierce marten]

Well thought out like the smarter Ogryn has brain chip

[fierce marten]

Nurgle is very much probably easy for a hive city. The prospect of never feeling a bad emotion is probably huge when you live on Atoma and the water is barely drinkable and there's ton of violence and gang wars under the not watchful eyes of governors that squeeze more out of them while giving them less

I think darktide is good like rally mentioned for seeing the minutia of people, many 40k games are like large scale battlefield, space hulk, or ship combat so you don't see what normal people live like, you see mostly space marines stuff

[regal pendant]

Holy based

I don't think Marx would be PROUD but he'd at least be semi happy that SOMEONE gets it

Even if that someone is a violently fanatical devotee to a horrid cult that's ruined humanity

[mortal crystal]

Judge Zealot is extremely based

they missed the memo about nobles being better than commoners and thus deserving of their wealth

and thus have opinions on their conduct

[fierce marten]

I picked Agitator cause of accent and it sounds like someone with complete faith in the emperor

Also my zealot: Blood for the emperor, skulls for the throne!

Morrow: !!!

Or fanatic i cant remember, not the french one

And says aye a lot

[drowsy vine]

Fanatic is the Scottish one yeah

[mortal crystal]

Agitator is the one with the fake high gothic accent

Fanatic is the Scottish one that is really excited to be killing heretics

[fierce marten]

Oh yes Fanatic then

[regal pendant]

The first time I heard that line I nearly spat my drink

I'm sure if Morrow heard it he'd go fucking apoplectic

[mortal crystal]

tbf

that's not even the most heretical thing the rejects say

Loner Psyker has a habit of dropping a "Corpse Emperor" every so often

[fierce marten]

Its a very Khorne line and Morrow has personal history with that exact quote fanatic said. He executed his commissar because the commissar was falling to Khorne and sent regiments on literal suicide runs against a losing front and lied about it until he got discovered

[twin wasp]

<@&1042950387478560878> is it too late/ early for people?

[waxen patio]

The relevant meme

[distant surge]

Ya know

I doubt every Ogryn is nice like the darktide ones(2 of them at least..)

But i sure wish that was the case

[soft summit]

Tbf the "mean" Ogryn does care about his teammates, he just is grumpy about it

[waxen patio]

The darktide ones are confirmed to be of the exceptionally intelligent Bone 'Ead ogryns; most common ogryns are even more blissfully ignorant hulks whose thoughts don't extend far beyond

• go where the shouty man sez
• fight until the shouty man tells ya to stop
• protecc the lil 'uns
• praise the Emp'rah

Although believed to possess extremely low intelligence, some Ogryn may have a slightly higher level of intellect than others. This boosts their chances to be chosen as candidates for the Biochemical Ogryn Neural Enhancement procedure, also known as BONE; which raises their intelligence further. These relatively smart Ogryn are given the title "Bone'eads," and as they are able to understand more complex orders they are placed in command of a squad of normal, unaugmented Ogryns.

[waxen patio]

- Tug the Ogryn, before slaying an Ork Nob with his own "liberated" Power Klaw```

Ogryn are terrifyingly strong

[brazen fossil]

There is that one book

Where an ogryn almost knee slams a chaos terminator

[waxen patio]

they're genuinely on the scale of "will definitely win an arm wrestle with a space marine" in raw strength

[fierce marten]

The depiction of Ogyrn vary from wild toddler to young child depending on edition

Ogyrn usually has 1 more STR than a space marine, but also space marines arent physically strong compared to elite units of other factions. They're fast strike teams, fast, packs a big big punch, and armored enough.

Our Ogyrns are still unusually smart

[fierce marten]

They're nice to whoever they are loyal to

[drowsy vine]

Two more, actually

[soft summit]

Our Ogryns can count

Which is actually a huge deal

[fierce marten]

Like until they become plague ogyrns the scab ones think they're fighting for the emperor and we're heretics

[drowsy vine]

Ogryns are traditionally S6 to Marine S4

They are strong

[fierce marten]

Damn its S6? I thought it was 5 but I dont really play tabletop

[soft summit]

Granted our Rejects are like

Freaks of Nature

Every reject is equivalent to a named character

[waxen patio]

Ogryns are unflinchingly loyal, but they're also very gullible and easy to mislead as a result if they're told to do something by whoever they're loyal to.

they will NOT question their orders

[fierce marten]

Brunt is not as nice though, he's like bully and fine breaking kneecaps

[waxen patio]

unless it's dark or claustrophobia-inducing

they need persuading to board the troop transports :(

[fierce marten]

And is fully aware he's playing the bad cop

Like when Zola brought him along to slowly break her old gang boss

[fierce marten]

Whoever gets 4 ogyrns on the ship must be a saint

[drowsy vine]

I fibbed, it's base S5 but they did usually have Furious Charge

so +1S when charging

[fierce marten]

Oh I see, yea Ogyrns are real strong

[spiral badger]

fanatic zealot is like 2 steps from khornate gibbering. those two steps are "ceasing drinking" and "not being burdened by guilt"

[fierce marten]

Out of all the personalities to fall to chaos, I'd say fanatic is like, one traumatic event away from falling under Khorne trying to kill all heretics. It does not matter from where the blood flows

[brazen fossil]

There is that one time where a Tyranid got into an ogryn transport

It went really, really poorly for it

Fucking love the orgyns

Best lads

[spiral badger]

Weirdly I'd say that the fanatic is one traumatic event away from khorne the other way

In that whatever thing they regret is holding them back

[heavy geyser]

I got a collection of Fanatic confessionals. I'll post them, they paint an interesting picture.

She did something very bad and thinks Sainthood is her way out of having to apologize for it

saved by a technicality

[spiral badger]

Yeah, and the fact that she feels bad about it is the difference between her and a khornate berserker

[marsh gyro]

Now I'm thinking I'll name my Arbites character Goodies For The Good Dog

[fierce marten]

Ah I see, so almost there at one point they got close before going on a more saintly path

Also is this only between 2 fanatics? I don't think I've heard them, I don't think I shear many fanatics in general I keep an eye on subtitles for new lines

[heavy geyser]

These all seem to be between F. Fanatic and F. Professional

the teeth one was a different person but they were also a Professional Veteran

[fierce marten]

I see the only veteran I know is like loose cannon, so many vet players chose cadia and that exclusive personality

[heavy geyser]

If Fanatic Zealot is teetering on the brink of Khorne, is Beloved Psyker being whispered to by a daemon of Tzeentch or Slaanesh? Like it's not the actual Big E in there.

[regal pendant]

The ogryn winding up to bean you with a box of nades is incredibly menacing lmao

[heavy geyser]

I don't know if these conversations are gender specific or not, but M. Professional seems more common than F. Professional. Loose Cannon seems to be the most popular F. Veteran.

[heavy geyser]

That's my favorite part.

[worldly talon]

Cadia is Cuthroat

I did have a female Cuthroat until I realized that a bunch of her voice lines are just straight-up missing

[fierce marten]

I recognize it as, is this vet character going to talk about Cadia and they often do

[sonic elbow]

the other characters are practically toeing the line of just replying "cadia deez nuts" whenever cadian speaks

[fierce marten]

I wonder how the arbites would react

Id imagine they'd be proud of Cadia

It'd be funny if they arbites defends cadia when others snark on it and cutthroat is then like, actually nevermind.

[worldly talon]

It amuses me that the by-the-book Guardsman voice is more savage about Cadia than the Loose Cannon

[fierce marten]

Savage how, like in a "if you did your job Cadia would be still around" kind

[distant surge]

i feel like everyone should respect Cadians for what they been through

[worldly talon]

“You wouldn’t have lasted a day on Cadia”
“Oh yeah? And how’s Cadia doing right now?”
“You shut your mouth, or I’ll shut it for you!”
“I’m not scared. You’ll fall apart at the last minute. Just. Like. Cadia.”

[fierce marten]

Damn that was another veteran, I remember that one but I didnt realize it was veteran

[marsh gyro]

So much for the good old days about wondering about the Cicatrix Maledictum

[brazen fossil]

tide ?

any tiders in the chat ?

[frigid saffron]

what level?

[brazen fossil]

damnation

[marsh gyro]

Yeah I can Tide, just got off work shift

[drowsy vine]

<@&1042950387478560878>

[brazen fossil]

nice nice

[split mantle]

we can do some, but we won't be around for vc, sorry

[brazen fossil]

thats ok

[marsh gyro]

Bolt pistol big explosions with big explosions Vet talent with shredder nades is the new shampoo for 2025 and I can't believe I hadn't done this earlier

[fierce marten]

If your taking bigger shredders talent, for 2 more you can get agile engagement if you do weapon specialist

[marsh gyro]

Oh does the sprint stacks make your grenades do more damage?
Edit: wrong talent, I was thinking Skirmisher on bottom right

[fierce marten]

Sprint stacks?

[marsh gyro]

Yeah turns out agile engagement is the melee buffs ranged buffs melee one

[fierce marten]

Oh I dont think so

[marsh gyro]

Right now I'm running a weird melee middle tree vet that gave up on hitting weak spots

[heavy geyser]

Lethal Prox stacks with Grenade Tinkerer on Frags?

GT doesn't affect Lethal Prox, right?

[marsh gyro]

Correct on both counts

[heavy geyser]

thats a lotta bleed

You must be a great friend to Ogryn with that one bleed talent

[fierce marten]

Also Zealot

Friend of Scourge

[waxen patio]

Shouty yellow marker veteran is insanely good

[marsh gyro]

I wound up rerouting melee brittleness to double shredders and I'm now hitting about 40 grenades thrown a match

[fierce marten]

If you want to go all in on shredders, headtaker still buffs grenades

[marsh gyro]

Might have to switch to chain axe then, had been doing Wrath/Shred chain sword for infinite poxwalker stabbing