dark tidings (Darktide for people in the searchbar)

[brazen fossil]

How would I go about making the most durable zealot 🤔

[fierce marten]

It was originally heavily marketed to be story based with a prolific writer writing specifically for the game

I'm guessing they ran into crunch issues and scrapped the emphasis story beats for some cutscenes to work on gameplay or something

Iirc they split the studio early on so darktide and vermintide 2 teams are entirely separate

[sonic elbow]

it is funny how the talent tree rework brought back V2 classics

ogryn with taunt and gromril armour

welcome back bardin

or bounty hunter veteran

actually

the leftmost capstone is new (?) but middle is witch hunter and right is bounty hunter

I was able to beat my melee addiction long enough to make a recon lasgun mostly left tree build, which I knew right out the gate will be suboptimal, but it's great fun

there's a certain satisfaction to using a recon sandblast where you'd expect a sniper shot

[heavy geyser]

Krourk heavy stubber fire sound is good

[fierce marten]

Community wanted 40k vermintide

Which is fair vermintide 2 was great

Still

Is as it still receives good number of updates and a lot of DLC

[regal pendant]

First thoughts on the psi greatsword

Feels Not Great, but I attribute that to the fact that this one has dogshit finesse

...honestly that's my biggest issue with the new weapon mastery system

If you're just starting to use a weapon they ALL have dogshit terrible stats

Unless you luck out and Melk has one with a good roll

[fierce marten]

I think Stat is determined by the highest power gear you gave in that characters inventory

Unless you mean empowered is limited by mastery so you can't instant max out a new weapon you dont have mastery for

[regal pendant]

Is it? I figured it was determined by mastery.

[regal pendant]

Nah, I mean that like

Most weapons fresh out the box have WRETCHED stats

[drowsy tusk]

It has like no thump or bang

[sonic elbow]

I got got by a teleporting mauler and my team just watched me bleed

[small cypress]

i hate getting downed cause it feels like only half the time someone picks me up

or they do that really stupid thing that people in l4d also did which was walk up and melee the dog when it pounces it

Just Shoot it, the health lost from you taking your sweet time to get to me is not worth the bullets saved

me when isee an ally in the slighest problem from a special its brain blast time

theres legit times ive jumped up just enough to get the hitbox on a mutant to save an ally across the room

[marsh gyro]

No feeling like realizing you got downed way the ways away from the rest of the team who are now on fire

[fierce marten]

I could see it, it's like power limit for shop is 380? Which Perfect stats is 500

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the instant gratification is getting a melk weapon already at 500

[small cypress]

often they arent even far just incompetent at geting me up

[fierce marten]

I never really noticed fresh 380 power level weapon from shops being that bad once you put the blessings/perks on it

[marsh gyro]

It takes about 400,000 dockets and 4000 plasteel to get 3 guns of one family to mastery 18 / power level 400 buying greens from brunt to sacrifice and raising the keepers

[fierce marten]

The only reason I check Melk's shop. But also feels bad when you've sunk a ton into upgrading a weapon to nearly 500 then it's got perfect stats in melk. It hasn't happened to me but I could imagine

Apparently havoc is gonna give a ton of dockets

[marsh gyro]

Oh I was talking about me getting too far forward unrelated to your situation

Players get better about pickups on threat 5

[fierce marten]

It's probably my biggest resource sink besides plasteel

[small cypress]

i am new but i do feel like i do a good job of special watch

except

https://tenor.com/view/happsouls-happy-souls-dark-souls-dark-souls2-gif-19580913

they got this combonation of fast and showing up at the worst times to make it hard to brain burst them

[regal pendant]

Got one with better Finesse

Can confirm, low Finesse made it feel far worse than it actually is

Even like 10% more feels way better

[marsh gyro]

Probably the most 40k thing is each shot fired on the heavy stubber spits out 3 shell casings

[brazen fossil]

Literally unusable now

Ruined

[regal pendant]

Ah, but you see, inside of the one big barrel are three smaller gun barrels

[brazen fossil]

[regal pendant]

...also these greatswords are stupid fun, holy shit

[drowsy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

<@&1042950387478560878>

[sonic elbow]

how do people make highly customized faces?

[drowsy tusk]

huh?

you jsut pick shape, color, scars, tatts, brows

[vapid maple]

4528451517

[worldly talon]

Hello <@&1042950387478560878> are we Tiding the Dark?

[drowsy tusk]

yea

[devout wave]

a guy threw a flame grenade on the crowd around my downed body last night, it ruled

[sonic elbow]

say hi to my ogryn, Bendik

I noticed the scribe apprentice or smth background as an option for ogryns

[drowsy tusk]

this

this is a good ogryn

[sonic elbow]

so my canon is that he was placed there by clerical error, kept graduating by bullying others into writing for him, and was eventually tricked into a shipping container and sent off world by his victims

but he definitely tried to fit in

he's Cultured

[drowsy tusk]

are you using bodyguard voice? cause BG has a line about being eloquent or something that tracks with the backstorty

[sonic elbow]

yeah

[heavy geyser]

he looks so wise

[dull parrot]

I am more open to playing with folks here now that Havoc is out and thankfully doesn't have matchmaking 😅

[fierce marten]

A downside about zealot blitzs is all of them are good and you can only have 1.

I generally go with blades cause I'm always taking courage and second wind but also knives are great for killing specialists very fast while letting you take a slower ranged weapon.

[brazen fossil]

By the emperor

[drowsy tusk]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY MADE THE BIONIC EYE TWITCHH

[heavy geyser]

talk about "light machine guns"

[neon nymph]

So, figured out what I needed to do to like the new stubbers
I needed to equip the biggest, punchiest one

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the Achlys with Surgical and Deadly Accurate is real nice and the others benefit good from Opening Shot / Overwhelming Fire / Pinning Fire / Blaze Away

[fierce marten]

Ogyrn is always the smartest because they know not to be smol, bigger is better

If zealot was a ratling though knife zealot would look like a squirrel on drugs

[soft summit]

what;'s the overall best melee for Zealots atm?

[spiral badger]

dueling sword

[soft summit]

nice

[spiral badger]

pretty uncontroversially

[soft summit]

any perks?

[spiral badger]

what do you mean perks, like blessings, or like, why is it good?

[soft summit]

yeah

blessings

[spiral badger]

lots of good options

thrust, uncanny strikes, agile

[soft summit]

mhm

[fierce marten]

A reason uncanny Strike is in a lot of builds is cause the rending applies to almost everything your blades of faith knive throws and initial shot of some guns

So a throwing knife with 100% rending can kill a crusher with 3 headshots

[spiral badger]

thrust is somewhat controversial because you're actually generally spamming stabs with dueling sword and not charging

but i still like it because it lets me open combat with a giant charged thrust on the nastiest thing I can reach

which is capable with the right luck of one-shotting a crusher

[drowsy vine]

I wouldn't use Dueling Sword unless you're going hard meta sweat, it's miles too good and it's going to be nerfed into the ground probably in the new year

[spiral badger]

Or if you just like running around stabbing things

It's fun

Have a good time with it, balance changes will take weapons in and out of good

So enjoy the ones you enjoy

Nothing is truly unusable

[shrewd kite]

yeah the dueling swords (at least the mk iv) have a good moveset outside of being op tbh

[cloud hazel]

shamk

did they do anything to them in particular or is it just their existence on much stronger melee classes?

[spiral badger]

Basically that yeah they're already very powerful on psykher but psykers tendency to suddenly die in melee prevented them from getting full power

[tough compass]

My problem with being a melee or gun psyker is that I don't have enough peril generation to reliably turn on my strongest toughness regen talents lol

[heavy geyser]

Perfect Strike stocks are way up this patch

[marsh gyro]

Dueling Sword's all right and it's a bit single target focused compared to things like Eviscerator or Thunder Hammer that you can just swing at a crowd all day holding M1

Big fan of the 40 round heavy stubber for being a versatile generalist on gungryn

[regal pendant]

...hmm... what do y'all think, yay or nay on this fit

[fierce marten]

An issue I have is a lot of those are like DPS conversations in the psykarium which is good but it has value that can't be really measured like being able to start engagements with 0 buff and kill most any elites and crushers with abilities to start fast. Also less crit reliant with thrust so you don't need those talents built up to 1 shot. So start of fights in between waves but also being revived you often have 0 buffs of your own. Also heavy attack has good range so you can stay at really safe ranges so there's like 0 risk of counterattack compared to multiple LMB or heavy attacks in rapid succeszion. You poke then dodge back out and skirmish a bunch.

[regal pendant]

Compared to the current fit

[fierce marten]

A reason why knife is real good is movement, it's hard to gauge the ephemeral value of movement compared to DPS numbers but some people swear by 80 mob knife. The faster animations being completed but can be noticeable on zealot when getting to revive, objective, closing on gunner packs faster means they're not shooting your ally a second less, etc

[fierce marten]

Not even luck, shroudfield let's you body backstab one shot crushers with 2 stacks of thrust, or at the very least 3.

With 0 on dodge buffs or rending ones

[heavy geyser]

Candles on head is a fun look and the steel on the helmet matches the rest of your armor.

But you do kinda already have that mask and the white hair looks good

the head candles might complement shoulder candles

Do you have a backpack on?

[regal pendant]

Tome Xenos, yeah

[regal pendant]

...ugh

Tried playing zealot again

I miss my psyker shields

[fierce marten]

The dome is pretty fun

It's instant safe zone for your team

[sonic elbow]

nurgle plague spread through tainted gym supplements call that the swole rot

...I had two trains of thought collide, carry on

[fierce marten]

There are two trains inside you, it's mirrored rolling steel and if one team fails to stop their train in time then both trains collide and everything gets plagued

[fierce marten]

Joining lobbies and oops all zealots using the new sword

You have my sword.
And my sword.
And my sword.
And my sword.

[regal pendant]

Or even better, zealots and psykers all using greatswords

Psi greatsword is STUPID fun though, goddamn

Fucking love that Holy Moonlight Greatsword beam attack

Gets a kickass mastery skin too!

[fierce marten]

I saw a clip with wrath and the cleave looks real fun

[regal pendant]

Now to get one that actually has Warp Resist dumped

Idk why but literally every single one I've gotten has had max warp resist

Which is supposed to be good but I run high Peril builds

And I'd rather dump Warp Resist of all things than Defenses, or First Target, or Finesse, or Damage

[fierce marten]

Defense is usually my dump stat

[regal pendant]

Would be for me but I value my mobility and my block efficiency

[fierce marten]

I forget what else defense affects but the difference between 60% and 80% doesn't seem to reach breakpoints on some weapons for how many shoves you can do before you run out of stamina

I do always run a stamina curio with a stamina regen perk so most builds I am not starved for stamina

I'm always dodging and shoving

[regal pendant]

Oh I use the talent that replaces stamina with peril for blocking and shoving so that's not an issue for me

[wraith shuttle]

What should I build if I want to be using the force greatsword primarily

[gentle flame]

Warp resist for me, it can be wierd trying to compensate for the fact that the FGS is kinda slow to move around with because of the dodge range.

Also, 60% warp resist give me 39% peril on demand

which is super nice for boosting the damage with Warp Rider and Unstable power

[dawn totem]

Feels like for the time being that I'll stick with my older weapons until the random players get the sword bug out of their system.

[split mantle]

Barely touched the Relic Blade in testing, it's so fast and I love it for accuracy.

This is definitely a horde-clearer.

[fierce marten]

The real oygrn stealth buffs Fatshark didn't tell us about (bug) https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/QdeYKdolw0

[brazen fossil]

The relic blade is a bit odd

I need to play with the build a bit more

But martirdom isn't working for me

[split mantle]

..Hey er, what's a good "generalist" Zealot gun?

I know infantry autoguns are horde clears and revolvers are single-target delet.

[marsh gyro]

Stun grenades, charge, thunder hammer, braced autogun, your choice of bottom tree

[brazen fossil]

I like the bolt pistol or slug shotgun personally

[split mantle]

Oh yeah, could run a shotgun.

[brazen fossil]

I like the bolt pistol a lot for a quick delete ranged enemy Buton

[marsh gyro]

Goes great with Run n' Gun

[brazen fossil]

Yup

[fierce marten]

Braced autogun I'd say is real generalist, my Togo for horde clear would be flamer.
If you're running knives then spearhead bolter is pretty nice

[brazen fossil]

I should try the relic blade with the left tree

[marsh gyro]

Relic benefits big from crits yeah

[fierce marten]

If you're not using spear bolt to kill crushers the stagger and suppression is pretty strong and 2 bolts will make gunner packs stop shooting

[brazen fossil]

It has good toughness Regen blessing but it needs to be on

[fierce marten]

But being to kill a crusher with 5 body shots is pretty nice

[brazen fossil]

So maybe left tree and the blessing which reduces heat

[fierce marten]

I might try fury of the faithful for funsies since relic blade movement is slower than I'm used to

[brazen fossil]

I wonder if it's better to run left or right keystone path on Fury

The toughness damage reduction is nice

But more uptime is pretty damn good

[fierce marten]

If you take all toughness damage reduction nodes zealot gets stupid tanky, like lose less than 50 HP to crusher overheads

[brazen fossil]

Yeah

Might try that

[fierce marten]

Relic blade also seems to struggle against crushers

[split mantle]

Any particular opinions of the channel Reginald here?

[fierce marten]

You could use a bolter for crushers or go all in and be able to tank crushers

[marsh gyro]

I'm bonking them in three heavies charged, is it taking you longer?

[fierce marten]

That seems like the normal amount for relic blade, it's 3 heavy charged attacks is longer than some zealot options

Chain weapons, knife, blades of faith with uncanny Strike fully stacked, and DS one shot so it's slower by comparison to those options

3 heavy charged is fine for a few crushers but crusher packs you got to be in their face longer with 3 heavy charged attacks for each so it's riskier if you were only using relic blade for dealing with them

[split mantle]

Yes, but if you're trying to strikedown, you want HHL, and if you want to hordeclear you want LLHH.

At least on the 10. On the 2, invert.

[fierce marten]

I'm probably going to do spearhead and blades of faith for crushers, I'm not innovating on that part of my usual builds

[marsh gyro]

Zealot charge does huge damage (about twice) from the rending so 1 charge 1 heavy should do the trick

[fierce marten]

I did forget charge downgrades armor

And it is very spammable with 2 charges

Even more if I use cutthroat, I have an ability spam problem.

[marsh gyro]

The more you charge the more you slay

[west mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878> anyone up for a game or two?

[regal pendant]

Can't go wrong with a Kantrael shotty

[regal pendant]

...I don't think I can go back to zealot after playing melee psyker a while

Given how the AI director just loves vomiting hordes of gunners these days for some reason, mostly

[brazen fossil]

I really like the gunners tbh

Means ranged builds are more useful

[marsh gyro]

Zealot charge is immune to ranged fire

[fierce marten]

Zealot is the class most equip to deal with gunners

Sliding gives you either 80% or full immunity to ranged damage which means you can slide into reaper packs without breaking toughness

[spiral badger]

depends on what you mean by "deal" but yes

[fierce marten]

Deal as in survive gunners to clarify

[spiral badger]

zealot is definitely the best at tying them up

without risking their ass too much

the right vet is better at blastin' em all

but can get focused and overwhelmled if nobody is drawing fire

[spiral badger]

it''s not the suppression, it's literally dying lol

[fierce marten]

Slide has no resource cost, cool down, or no setup so theoretically a zealot in an empty room surrounded by gunners can just survive it for a really really long time

Reapers are like aimbots now

I feel like at times they're prefiring

[spiral badger]

you can also already ignore suppression by taking plasma

because plasma ignores suppression inherently

[fierce marten]

I feel the most safe with gunners, I dodge their bullets, get into melee, and now they're trying to go melee with the melee class and gonna get wrecked.

[spiral badger]

yeah that's also the zealot's like, job in that situation

because a gunner trying to flee or kick a zealot in their face isn't firing

[fierce marten]

Except that one dreg shotter that didn't get the memo you're supposed to melee people in melee and does a barrage of staggering shots pushing you back as you try to move forward

That one node in loner that lets you ignore slow stops this and I try to fit it wherer I can

[marsh gyro]

Outgunning gunners with the new ogryn stubber is the dopamine

[heavy geyser]

All hipfire do this I think.

[spiral badger]

yes

but plasma has no non-hipfire

[marsh gyro]

What I've noticed is that the suppression will jiggle around the hipfire reticle to make it a little tougher to aim - most noticeable on the braced revolver

Because plasma always goes right in the middle though you can compensate

[spiral badger]

so it just never can be suppressed

[sonic elbow]

https://youtu.be/-arS6-pUDFo?si=E3wkDOydY5r60o3q

[brazen fossil]

The trick with gunners is to just shoot them

I shot 20574322662 gunners

[regal pendant]

<@&1042950387478560878> anyone down to clown on Havoc missions?

[brazen fossil]

Maybe in like an hour

[twin wasp]

same

[brazen fossil]

Currently at hospital, might be going home early from work lol

[regal pendant]

Be in class then

Oh, good, glad you went, sounded like you needed to

[twin wasp]

certified "ELL YEAH moment

[sonic elbow]

how the hell do continuous fire blessings work on single shot weapons

[spiral badger]

basically you just have to keep firing as soon as reloading is done

[fierce marten]

It's part timer and also whether or not you performed a non reload or movement action

Swapping weapons and meleeing instantly ends what is considered continous fire

A way to roughly gauge it besides buff bar is to use cross. Fire until max spread and the time crosshair goes from max spread to base spread standing still is how long you have before continous fire ends

So burst fire on a fully auomatic weapon still triggers continous fire

It's wonky

[sonic elbow]

[regal pendant]

God I love Hallowette

Shame she's the stand-in NPC for the shitty cosmetic shop

[shrewd kite]

has anyone tried the perfect block perks on the new zealot sword? How forgiving is the timing?

I'm still leveling mine so I'm just using the 'explode when it maxes heat' and 'gain less heat with a weakspot hit' perks. the second one seems crazy good generally

[frank igloo]

the explode at max heat one is too weak, id actually suggest the cleave on hit blessing over it so you can still do decent crowd clear without being charged

[drowsy tusk]

so sad its not great, one of my fav blessing concepts

[marsh gyro]

You have a 0.3 second window to perfect block so it's pretty doable and fast

[shrewd kite]

Yeah I would swap it either for cleave or the other heat management one

The mk 2 has some wonky input strings but with the perk that improves attack speed it gets fast enough that I feel like you can just kinda light attack spam into hordes and do alright

[drowsy vine]

The suggested blessings I've seen are Cranial Grounding and either Rampage or Wrath

Cranial Grounding is very good

[shrewd kite]

Cranial grounding seems like the winner in this family yeah

[fierce marten]

Time to continue getting the relic sword mastery

[marsh gyro]

It turns out a stubber with 0% range is very different from 60% haha

[heavy geyser]

I'm a big fan of the mk. II, it took a bit to lab out the routing but it's really cool.

It's like double the moveset of any other weapon.

You have your choice of Two different vertical loops

And like three different things you can do out of dash

[fierce marten]

If there weren't a million stealth knife zealot builds I would have thought knife was trash cause I used it really early on when I joined and it probably didn't even have 30s in stats

The stats really make some reasons and you can't really gauge them until it's like mostly 60s

[regal pendant]

How do you properly use Brain Burst?

It just feels kinda

Bad

Like, yeah, big single hit, but like

I use a force greatsword and a voidstrike staff

I have more than enough big single hits

And ones that don't take a full business day to charge to boot

[drowsy vine]

I think you've answered your own question

[regal pendant]

Guessing it's just not great for my build specifically

[drowsy vine]

Yeah

The actual answer is that Empowered Psionics elevates it a shitload

If you run Brain Burst you basically need to run it as your keystone

In return you have a point and click "kill Elite" button

[fierce marten]

Yea even with empowered psionics most elites will die or be almost dead by the time you use it. The brain blast path has easy access to good talents and the kill an elite every 15 seconds works with recon lasguns crit builds

[cloud hazel]

'you have to run ep' is incredibly fucking annoying but extremely true

[fierce marten]

That is very specific though

[cloud hazel]

that and using precharge basically exclusively i find is what makes it feel nice

im an rmb andy

[fierce marten]

They really buffed EP cause it used to be worse than warp siphon and now it seems strong

[cloud hazel]

just too hard to lock the right guy in a crowd sometimes

[fierce marten]

EP Assail is like I'm never using a staff or aim ever again I'm yeeting 24/7

[cloud hazel]

although locking someone then ducking back around the corner is real and powerful for obvious reasons if you get it right

sniper who

[fierce marten]

And it let's smite kill horde mobs, gone from cc to delayed ad clear

[regal pendant]

Might look into it

I do like my Smite though

[small cypress]

i use brain burst just to erase specials from anywhere

all you need is to aim at their hitbox for a moment and left click and pop

even if they go around a corner

[fierce marten]

That is a move, click on sniper then move behind a wall and let it get brain bursted

[small cypress]

yeah

i once saved someone from a hound that way

i started the animation and during it they got pounced where i couldnt see them

[fierce marten]

When I first started I played psyker and brain blast felt good when you can kill a hound that ran away or towards you or scab ragers. Back then we didn't know shove was useful and ragers were really scary for just 4 shotting our level 4 rejects.

Psyker early game is real different from a level 30

[marsh gyro]

6 warp charges buffs it to 1HKO ragers and Enhanced Psionics procs also do the job

Goes good with venting shriek for fast bursts or double kinetic shield if you're bold

Still good to point and click delete gunners or running snipers at range

[fierce marten]

I'm surprised unbuffed brain blast doesn't 1 shot ragers

When I ran it on a recon lasguns build with the talent to proc on hit it did hit hard and I wouldn't have used the other blitzes at all with that build

[brazen fossil]

so after playing with the relic blade

I dunno

Hammer just feels better

[marsh gyro]

Usually there's enough damage buffs and incidental damage flying around the ragers still pop good and the difference between a 1 pop and 2 pop is huge when a 10-pack is inbound

[fierce marten]

I noticed it more for heavy enemies like crushers and bosses that weren't killed in a second cause it's very likely to proc within a few seconds with how much Las the lasguns guns. Also always on elites and it killed things a bit quicker so that's abilities cool downed a bit from elite kills

Didn't often feel like it was wasted on horde mobs cause math's. 10% on 2 shots to kill a mob likely won't do it for a bit but 30 shots on a crusher probably will

Added gambling to my gun

[marsh gyro]

Yeah the free bursts add up to like 120k damage over a 30 minute mission

[fierce marten]

15 seconds goes by quickly on psyker, it's at least like 2 or 3 free brain bursts per wave

That was the only build I used brain burst on, the others just seem more useful to actively use in combat otherwise

[brazen fossil]

ok yall

the psycher sword goes hard

that shit is O to the P

[fierce marten]

They deserve a nice Melee weapon

They deserve a nice Melee weapon

[brazen fossil]

blaying spirit and momentum

goes just so hard

[shrewd kite]

it's got range and safety. you do kinda need the keystones to make it shine though

without any modifications i mostly use it as an anti-sniper / gunner tool

with empowered / warp charge shout spam you can kinda go nuts with it however

[regal pendant]

GREATSWORD GAMING TIME

[fierce marten]

You have my sword, and my sword, and my sword, and my sword

[west mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878> if the Omnissiah didn't want me to cleave heretics, he wouldn't have given me a relic blade.

[vapid maple]

My tide is about to become dark

[west mantle]

uh, bear with me, my discord is deciding to be naughty

there we go

fixed it

[fierce marten]

Why doesn't the imperium use something better than candles and green lanterns, LEDs would fix grimdark

[vapid maple]

Heresy

[west mantle]

because all the LEDs went into the men of iron so their eyes would change to red when they became evil

[regal spire]

The wax-makers guild has a monopoly

[fierce marten]

Don't servitors have red eyes

[vapid maple]

4528451517

[brazen fossil]

Damn, the gang gets on right as I go to sleep, y'all have fun

[vapid maple]

The emperor requires its greatest soldiers to sleep from time to time

[brazen fossil]

Tomorrow then

[vapid maple]

[dawn totem]

Florescent lights are a lost technology apparently.

[limpid zinc]

am i crazy or is hitreg kinda fucky this update

also i just got cheated on a health stim 😭

took it, got stunned, it was consumed without healing me

[dull parrot]

I know I lot of people are seemingly disappointed with Havoc but at least it’s free unlike weaves of magic, hopefully they can build on it for later. I still want a big paid “expansion” next year but I can’t be mad at the various free maps and even weapons offered.

I hope that we get a third enemy force, maybe Nurgle daemons soon? (Eat you heart out grey knights lmao) Having a single chaos space marine death guard as a boss mob would be very funny a combination of gunner and crusher is only way it could work. They seem to hint at some thing coming in the new map “and now the three shall meet.” But yeah hopefully now that vermintide is winding down via verses we get more expansive content.

[sonic elbow]

I think turning off the freezer in the condemned super deep levels of the hive will have consequences

like this is a hive, there would be squatters even post-massacre unless they have an extremely good reason not to go there

clueless goons stumbling into the nuclear waste tomb and turning off the safeties is a timeless classic and I think we just did that

also moebian steel is the Hot Shit so they wouldn't just leave the facility off if all it took was breaking some proverbial boarded up windows and defrosting the AC

[dull parrot]

I am 💯 a proponent of the theory that the freezer was meant to keep something out be it gene-stealers or daemons

[regal pendant]

The wha

Did I miss a plot beat somewhere

[dull parrot]

Ok so the mission Clandestium Gloriana it’s been hypothesized that not only is the melting ice responsible for the torrent segment of the hive via dripping downstream, but also that freezing of the factotum was keeping something out (when you spawn in the apartment hab block the various graffiti seem to indicate gene stealers at least) https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Clandestium_Gloriana

[regal pendant]

Ah, I see

[dull parrot]

Another deep lore cut it’s basically been conformed now that “OZ” referenced in weapon trinket is 💯 Zola as Ranick is mocking her with her first name “Ougustine” in the new mission which due to the lore hinted at via the trinket basically confirms that Wolfer is probably “Brian” and that Zola and him were probably in a relationship to some degree prior to him being shipped of to “Nox alpha”.

[drowsy vine]

Or Wolfer is her brother, one of the two

[thick rivet]

sees the new force greatsword

"Oh"

"OH"

[tough compass]

They've been hinting at genestealers for a long time

Possibly since release?

[brazen fossil]

ok

the force greatsword

is the greatest thing ever

[fierce marten]

The cleave is great and feels so fun

I like DS but it felt odd that it was a psyker weapon, their exclusive class weapons should be weird flashy stuff

[bronze gull]

Don't see the genestealer graffiti in the gallery, then againI am on mobile so fandom formatting is even more fucked
Do you have any pictures on hand?

[brazen fossil]

<@&1042950387478560878> My beloved urges me to commit more violence in about 30 minutes from now!

[sacred pagoda]

I like Darktide but my computer sure doesn’t.

[brazen fossil]

no one for darktide ?

no one 🥺

[opaque crown]

man ogryn be eatin good

i havent stopped in here for a bit

They handed us a sniper rifle

no longer must i hit perfect shots with my grenade gauntlet

we also have a flashlight now

It's a good time

[mortal crystal]

It's middle of the work day for Americans

[sacred pagoda]

I’m at work, yeah.

[brazen fossil]

well, I wasnt specifically asking for americans tho, just in general

I know we have euro players here too

tho isnt it a bit late for miiddle opf work ?

[finite nymph]

It's noon here on east coast, even early for folks in Cali

[brazen fossil]

oh right the rnomal work time in the US is like 900 to 1700

[sacred pagoda]

Thereabouts, yeah.

[sonic elbow]

what's a good ogryn single target melee

whacking hordes is fun and all but I subscribe to the idea that death is the strongest form of CC

[heavy geyser]

Branx pickaxe for single target killing.

[regal pendant]

...know what I hate about specials

I hate that there's so many that are just

"You don't get to play the game anymore"

[sacred pagoda]

How else are they supposed to CC the players?

[frank igloo]

this is just the nature of this kind of co-op game, starting with l4d. The point of them is to force cooperation; isnt that much of a punishment if you can get out of a trapper net or dog pin by yourself

it also forces sticking together

theres a reason disablers spawn in droves when someone goes off on their own

[sonic elbow]

also they really toned it down from vermintide

trapper is considerably easier to dodge than hookrat, dogs aren't silent ICBMs like runners, leech is rightfully gone

and no plague vortex taking control away from you BEFORE killing you

disablers live in that weird skill floor vs ceiling limbo where they're the only solution that accomplishes its goal at all skill levels

doing the same pressure with enemies that Just Kill You would make the game unbeatable for anyone without a gamer sups IV

and John True Solo Cata+++ WR can't be affected by anything that asks for more than one misstep in a row

disablers get your ass for one mistake but if you stick with your team there's no consequence

[mortal crystal]

Well, there can be depending on the situation you're in

if enough is going on a single bad net, even in the middle of everyone, can spell GG

[fierce marten]

L4d2 had hunter, smoker, charger

Darktide is very much based on coop as you can't play solo by default and minimum private room for bots is 2 players for better or worse

Also darktide classes are more complex than vermintides 2

I wished they give bots something a little better

Gimme servitor fella

Deep Rock has Bosco as a unique bot instead of attempt to mimick players

[opaque crown]

would be neat if our ai allies were little weirdos who died often, and then we got different replacements at set intervals or something

probably wouldn't work with how the game treats them as some sort of default set up

but a normal player entity

it would sell the idea of rejects with high attrition though

[marsh gyro]

New Helbore skin in the shop has better sights than usual though at the cost of a crossbar box over the post

[heavy geyser]

I copped that before I knew about the box.

Not a fan of it but I'm gonna get my money's worth out of it.

[brazen fossil]

paytowin ?!"

[fierce marten]

Servitors bots where instead of being downed they just die and respawn on a timer and prioritize on supporting players than damage so less useful than a player but isn't just a boring standard reject with a gun

[marsh gyro]

It's certainly better than the heavy Helbore sights

[fierce marten]

If we ever have an ork 40k game itd be great if your bots your disposable Orks grunts that just pop out of nowhere

[marsh gyro]

It turns out the Relic Blade is very good at what it does at 17% damage roll at 340 power so excited to see it at full blast at 60% damage

[limpid zinc]

im pondering that it might be like the first weapon where u dont want mobility as a dump

i got the alleged meta 60 mobility 80 everything else and the dodges are SO lousy

not sure how much the extra 20% will help tho id have to go peek and im touching grass rn

[brazen fossil]

anzone else getting crayz audio bugs

[marsh gyro]

What kinda bugs we talking

[marsh gyro]

Dodges aren't huge much better and you do gain 12% sprint speed at 80% mobility which is big for the charging stabs

[brazen fossil]

complete degredation of the audio into noise

[limpid zinc]

sometimes when i first load in the audio is choppy but it usually clears up with more play

[brazen fossil]

zeah no it happens throughout the game

its really loud

and lags my innputs

[marsh gyro]

Yeah not sure if something got tripped in the audio settings, might be worth checking for driver updates for graphics too

[opaque crown]

trying to decide if i like the weaker faster stubber or the sniper more. Ogryn .50 feels so good to just snap off shots and eliminate specials instantly, but the faster one with 40 rounds feels much more capable of pulling double duty on a gunner build. I think ultimately the stubber is only OK on full gungryn builds

twin stubber might still be better able to take advantage of lucky bullets

[marsh gyro]

The 30 round stubber is a good middle ground

Opening Shot + Pinning Fire hits a lot of breakpoints

40 round stubber is real nice with blaze away / Overwhelming fire

[heavy geyser]

I wrote up some notes on comboing with the mk. II Relic Blade if anyone here is interested in something like that. Or if they want to try mk. II instead of mk. X and feel lost.

[sonic elbow]

I'm trying to cook an ogryn build and parsing what is and isn't worth a damn is pretty tough ngl
not that that surprises me as a VT vet

[heavy geyser]

Ogryn is pretty easy, you just go straight down the lines and you get a good build. At the forks there's a branch that suits the specific weapon you like.,

Taking one or both of the heavy attack toughness nodes at the top is handy because Ogryn melee is a lot of clicking heavies, so it's good toughness sustain.

[sonic elbow]

I'm going left and center, bouncing around to make myself more effective and my team tougher

pure center just makes you tanky and I don't believe in tanking in tide games
and pure left is full of nodes that take an ironic amount of math for "hit dudes harder" to figure out if they're peak or trash

[drowsy vine]

The Krouk single stubber is the best you're going to get with Gungryn really, its a good middle ground as a weapon that can hipfire delete a bunch of dudes efficiently or ADS a shooter horde

I wouldn't bother with the Gorgonum or Achlys, they don't benefit from either Gungryn active or keystone much

[neon nymph]

I'm still debating between the light single and the heavy twin-linked for my favourite

[frank igloo]

just look at the ogrynomicon

it breaks down most of the ogryn talents

might be a bit outdated with the minor rejiggering of the tree but it should largely be accurate

[opaque crown]

In my testing with the Achlys its an incredible sniping tool, it just doesn't synergize with the gungryn capstone or aura. It does love the extra ammo though. I find it more easily meets the breakpoints for one dropping aaalmost every special and elite when running opening salvo and surgical, which can be surprisingly useful when you're the tallest guy in the room

well, doesn't synergize a LOT. It still likes free shots n such

and braced regen

[marsh gyro]

Achlys is kinda fun with Surgical / Deadly Accurate in that it's pretty much a bolter with no explosion; I like the Gorgonum because it's more forgiving of misses

[opaque crown]

i found hte gorgonum was more often not hitting the breakpoints i want, but once i get a better stubber that may change

and make the gorg more valid

[marsh gyro]

Oh yeah the Gorgonum doesn't hit hardly any one shot break points, it does two to three tap most elites though

Chews through Crushers good with bonus gungryn rending and Blaze away

[drowsy vine]

To be fair, that is what I said

I'm not saying either them are bad weapons at all, they're just bad on Gungryn

Any other archetype will very much benefit from On Call AMR

[marsh gyro]

Yeah what's neat about Achlys raw damage is it doesn't need a lot of right tree support

[opaque crown]

Someone giving the ogryn an m2 browning and saying "this is a sniper". The newly minted CommandOgryn knows exactly how to use it

[quiet escarp]

Mk IV cleaver is my go to, though the Branx is also premium

[drowsy vine]

You want the folding shovels

They are peak

[marsh gyro]

Can Opener Ripper bayonet is surprisingly versatile

[small cypress]

ogryn should get a devils claw

[brazen fossil]

Ogryn should get the rebar concrete slab

[quiet escarp]

I managed to entirely forget about them but Briar is literally correct

Ogryn should get fucked up Charonite power claws

[drowsy vine]

Sadly they can't oneshot Crusher packs anymore but they absolutely flay armoured targets with Thrust/Brutal momentum anyway

[quiet escarp]

They also have a very satisfying light attack spam in to hordes

[sonic elbow]

can the power maul be made to do things other than toss hordes to the window to the wall?

I like the funny bonk stick visually

but I don't need any more pure stagger

[marsh gyro]

Sure just take Brutal Momentum and Skullcrusher

[sonic elbow]

📝

[marsh gyro]

If nobody on the team has brittleness then Supercharge can sub in for Brutal Momentum

[brazen fossil]

I should share my build, been working pretty great for me on auric damnation

[drowsy vine]

<@&1042950387478560878> what if it was called soontide and we played in about 10-15 minutes?

[marsh gyro]

I'm free then for an hour of blasting before Lancer

[brazen fossil]

I'm closing in

[drowsy vine]

I'm just finishing brekky and I'll be on

@marsh gyro everything good?

[split mantle]

You got a 4-stack?

[marsh gyro]

We do but I gotta rotate out in 45 minutes so it'll open up quick

[split mantle]

A'ight, I'll swap in then hopefully.

[regal pendant]

Is the modifier that spreads the Beast of Nurgle vomit just

On every havoc mission

[fierce marten]

Huh they balanced classes in patch 2, pskyer got more base toughness

[fierce marten]

I wanted to stress test a new GPU and put the game on max settings, it's a lot shiner with ray tracing

[marsh gyro]

I sell this game to folks under the premise of Ray Traced Flamethrowers

[fierce marten]

Instant nuclear explosive if you had ray tracing on with a flamer

[dawn totem]

Whereas the explosion if I turned on ray tracing would come from my pc.

[fierce marten]

It's very immersive

[regal pendant]

"Wow, this game's so immersive, I can feel the heat of this flamethrow-"

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[sonic elbow]

on the other hand

my game looked like straight up vaseline filter and I couldn't make out anything

until I very dutifully turned off every upscaling and framegen option

how do people play like that

[thick rivet]

YOU CAN WHAT WITH THE FORCE GREATSWORD???

[west mantle]

Anime wind slash :3

<@&1042950387478560878> anyone interested in darking some tides?

[drowsy vine]

I'll be around a bit later after dinner

[regal pendant]

I be up tidin my dark

[west mantle]

sweet, i am updating now

[regal pendant]

You lot think this looks decent? I'm not sure what this hat goes well with.

[heavy geyser]

That has a good magic horseman vibe to it

It's a strong fit.

[regal pendant]

Magic horseman?

[heavy geyser]

The brimmed hat and the peacoat give a strong horseman, cavalry, rider aesthetic. The mask adds a veil of magic mystery. You are, of course, a psyker.

[regal pendant]

Ah, I see

[west mantle]

I don't think I have oyu on DT, Wam

my FS friend code: 3496770809

@regal pendant you still up for DT?

[regal pendant]

Aye

Gimme a mo

[thick rivet]

are they selling the orville peck hat again?

[regal pendant]

This u

[west mantle]

ye

[regal pendant]

Naw, bought it a while ago, it's krieg shit this week

[thick rivet]

dam

[regal pendant]

But this time it's blue

[regal pendant]

...were gunners buffed?

I swear to god it feels like all the enemy fire just fucking rips through my health now, it never used to be anywhere near this bad

Like, I get shot with ONE salvo from a random grunt and pop, there goes like a third of my toughness

[drowsy vine]

Shooters weren't, gunners got sidegraded with less falloff and the ability to strafe in exchange for no knockback on their shots

[fierce marten]

They were buffed

Less fallout is probably is getting people

Distant gunners that didn't do much before deal more damage on average now

Also I think havoc has a modifier that turns off toughness grace period

I wasn't even aware that was a thing until I watched someone demonstrate it

[regal pendant]

That's what I thought, yeah

Cause I've been caught by a surprise gunner once or twice and it was just

"BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT toughness gone"

[fierce marten]

Steam has patch notes for 1 and 2

[regal pendant]

Which was never the case before

Tbh I hope they tone it down, they feel overtuned as shit now

[fierce marten]

Seems the most rough for Ogyrns, gunner packs were dangerous to them but also a stubber to be more dangerous to them

I'm convinced I'm not really gonna play the other classes, zealots bigger slide dash damage reduction is great.

I think it's 100% against gunners

[regal pendant]

Psyker for me

heehoo deflector 4 force greatsword go brrrrrrrrrr

[fierce marten]

Psykers also have the dome, just be enclosed forever

[drowsy vine]

Ya gotta practice your slides vs gunners

By far your best defensive tool

[fierce marten]

It's like 50% on the other humans

Ogyrn I think doesn't get any damage reduction for gunners by sliding

Don't get hit via more dakka

[drowsy vine]

Ogryn doesn't get DR but their hitbox still goes under the Gunner fire

Shooters will get you sometimes, Gunners won't hit you for however long the slide lasts

[fierce marten]

Surprising considering tall but probably would feel bad to not really have a defensive option against ranged enemies

Or more so defensive options at a distance. Veteran has shouts and infiltrate, zealot has yes ways to avoid everything, psyker can pop a dome.

[cloud hazel]

their boots just block all the incoming fire

perfect shield

[fierce marten]

Block everything, block enemys bullets, and allies line of sight

Those boots are tough enough to support their weight I assume

Unless they get new ones after every op

[regal pendant]

I mean, yeah, you can counter them with slides, but like

They're still stupidly overtuned now

[drowsy vine]

I just don't think that's the case

[fierce marten]

There's a noticeable difference but I don't think it's out of line it seems alright

[heavy geyser]

I got an experiment to try against the buffed gunners and havoc shooters

kantrael laspistol with ghost bkessing for ranged immunity on weakspot hit

[marsh gyro]

Ghost and Suppression immunity is real nice yeah

[dawn totem]

Mind if I ask what your PC specs are?

[fierce marten]

Let me check my brother swaps out parts in my PC often cause he has a big boy LLC of building PCs from used parts at a good deal as a hobby

13th gen I5 13600KF and 4070 TI SUPER

I don't think it matters much as the GPU is doing all the heavy lifting in games basically but 32GB 6000mhz ram

The image I posted was with DLSS 3 on and I'm sure my frames would be at least half lower, DLSS 3 upscaled and generated a lot of frames otherwise ray tracing would cook it

[marsh gyro]

Now you can turn ragdolls way up

I have it at 24 and it's not nearly enough

[dawn totem]

I always thought it was my graphics card (GeForce RTX 3060) that I needed to upgrade but it looks more like my CPU is what I need to change.

[drowsy tusk]

Uh

Gpu is graphics card

[dawn totem]

Have I mentioned that I don't know a thing about pc terminology?

[marsh gyro]

It's all good inbetween everybody here we can build one computer

I've got a 3070ti and 12th gen Intel processor and this game is unoptimized enough that ain't enough to hit 60 FPS at 1080p with the ray tracing on or even with it off sometimes

[heavy geyser]

Do you still get suppressed if you're immune to the gunfire?

[marsh gyro]

Yeah you do, Between the Eyes blessing is really noticeable to cut down on reticle bounce (was doing Ghost+Desperado before)

[heavy geyser]

Hmmm

[marsh gyro]

It's one of those things where if you're running like shroudfield you can break off if you don't have suppression immunity and if you're close enough the bounce isn't a big deal, it's more for 30-40m picks of a sniper and gunner

I'm a big advocate of Zealot ambuscade+raking fire blessing

[heavy geyser]

I am running Shroudfield, been thinking of pairing it with the new relic blade or using it in havoc missions where gunners ignore suppression.

"what if I can ignore the gunners?"

[marsh gyro]

Yeah chant doesn't work good on that modifier because chorus stun is suppression code so the two paths are either between the eyes blessing and a dab of shroudfield or the most 40k solution of using charge ranged immunity and rushing the gunners (just don't stop short)

Recon lasgun stripped down blessing also good

[heavy geyser]

Lots of overlooked stock is going way up

The scab rager carapace change has made Perfect Strike stocks skyrocket.

[marsh gyro]

Wrath on a relic blade goes super duper huge

[marsh gyro]

Source code's been updated on GitHub and is answering the questions I need - turns out the Achlys heavy stubber has 8 cleave instead of 6.5 on the Gorgonum/Krourk which means blasting 6 poxwalkers each round

[heavy geyser]

I'd been trying to figure out what the utility of wrath vs devastating strike us and all I can figure is if you tend to whiff then devastating strike gives cleave across gaps, but even two hits of wrath is more cleave

[marsh gyro]

Devastating Strike also lasts longer per proc yeah

The activated mode of the relic blade has big_cleave on just about every hit but the stab so 10.5 base, 36.75 with wrath at full blast, 45.15 if you combo wrath and devastating, 18.9 with Devastating alone, damage kind of ramps down to 7 targets then remains flat

Unpowered mode has a lot of medium_cleave hits so 6.5 base, 22.75 full Wrath, 11.7 Devastating only

[heavy geyser]

I think Heatsink is really valuable for prolonged energy mode use, is it fair to thin Devastating Strike is there to maximize cleave builds at all other costs?

sort of a wrath+ addon

[marsh gyro]

I'm using Wrath and Syphon myself on Martyrdom

Heat sink and Devastating is great for Fury zealot

[heavy geyser]

Landing one hit is very close to Devastating and landing a second surpasses it.

[drowsy tusk]

I like the +strength scales with heat

[marsh gyro]

+strength is another secret source of cleave yeah

[drowsy vine]

The secret sauce is Cranial Grounding

[rocky dagger]

<@&1042950387478560878> tide tonight?

[split mantle]

tide tide,,,,

[drowsy tusk]

Off work in an hour

[lost cave]

I need get darktide on PS5 when I'm not broke.

[marsh gyro]

Force greatsword swoopy wave does full damage to 8m, drops to 10% at 16m and beyond, has 450 base damage at 1 pip and 850 base damage at 2 pips, and each pip extends the min and max ranges 2m each so if you're gonna slam the wave go big

[regal pendant]

Holy smokes it's Jesus

[sacred pagoda]

Hmmm.

Darktide crashes a few minutes after I load into a mission.

It's never done that before.

[marsh gyro]

Are mods on for you?

[sacred pagoda]

Nope.

Darktide's always been a bit iffy on my machine, but this is a new error.

Does anyone else have trouble with this game just randomly corrupting its files?

[fierce marten]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/OSUgv1kkHQ

Double barrel skin so sick with the seals we need more

Gives real strong, the Emperor protects, heed his word, and by heed his word I put his seal on a shotgun to shoot heretics

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/bX4gRAcImb

Only a few days and a zealot has modded relic blades to be a psyker weapon. This is this a repeat of Dueling Swords

(it's just visual)

[sonic elbow]

ever since the update I've been getting intense audio stutters, just now one kept intensifying until game crash

pensive

[drowsy vine]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/audio-issues-after-patch-comms-update/102774

This should help somewhat

[gentle flame]

Biggest audio bug I deal with is when there are too many audio cues, the game just fuckin gives up

Just won't play audio cues if they're the 6th or 7th thing happening at the same time

[gentle flame]

My testing shows that the range and angle of the arc are unchanged by being charged to 1 or 2 tiers

[marsh gyro]

Yeah should clarify the arc is the same size, it's just the damage falloff that's affected - instead of dropping off starting at 8m down to 16m it starts at 10m at 1 pip down to 18m and 12m to 20m at 2 pips

[sonic elbow]

long lost brothers, reunited

[drowsy tusk]

Fren 🙂

[sonic elbow]

hardest achievement got

[spiral badger]

it used to be even harder

i did it back in the day with the Ogryn Conga Line

just 4 ogryns walking through a malice mission in a train

[west mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878> stack dissolved as I joined, any chance for stack 2, electric boogaloo?

[dawn totem]

Darktide Reject ping titles:
Tide and Time Again
It's Gotta Be Dark, It's Gotta Be Tide
Hang-10, Varlet! Catch that Darktide!
Let's Do The (Dark)Tide Warp Again!
You Got Your Dark In My Tide!

[drowsy tusk]

<@&1042950387478560878> play darktide?

[fierce marten]

Damn why is fatshark making impossible penances? - knife zealot

[drowsy tusk]

i mean its an ogryn penance which makes it really hard for zelly

[tough compass]

Do you get that achievement if everyone is a loner zealot?

Oh, darn

That would be funny otherwise. Technically a loner is always in coherency

[heavy geyser]

I got that one by accident while leveling my ogryn

[fierce marten]

I forgot there was class specific penances I just never look at them

[dawn totem]

Speaking of, what's a good/faster way to get the Ogryn's 25 super grendade kills 25 times? I really want those cammo pants.

[sonic elbow]

I just found out having your block broken prevents dodges

very painfully

[marsh gyro]

+3 Stamina curio keeps winning

[heavy geyser]

I recently switched one of my curios for +3 stamina and I'm a believer now

[marsh gyro]

Wait for the horde music and when you see a big crowd of poxwalkers toss in the depth charge

Goes faster if you do a Maelstrom with extra blitzes though those can be spicy

[fierce marten]

No yea same, I'm like Zealot already has so many defensive tools why is +3 stamina that good? Then I tried it and I feel untouchable

Until I instantly die

But otherwise pretty much untouchable

[tough compass]

A Veteran buddy with he grenades from ammo packs probably helps

[regal pendant]

What stat would y'all say is the most dumpable on a chainsword

The small one-handed ones, not the big eviscerators

[fierce marten]

I assume zealot?

[regal pendant]

Veteran

Doing a CQC build with that one capstone that gives bonuses for swapping between melee and ranged

[fierce marten]

I thought heavy eviscerator was a zealot exclusive

[regal pendant]

Yeah, it is, I'm just specifying I mean the small one so nobody gets confused and thinks I mean the big one

Sorry

[heavy geyser]

mobility is generally a good dump stat when in doubt, unless you are going for a specific thing

[regal pendant]

I see

[heavy geyser]

finesse, shredder and penetration are all valuable for making saw go brr

[regal pendant]

I assume Penetration and Shredder are absolutely NOT dump stats

[heavy geyser]

They help a lot, particularly with armored guys and maniacs

So I think it's like, damage if you want weakspot crits to carry you or mobility as the go-to

if you're not doing auric stuff, just stick with mobility as the dump stat

[regal pendant]

Righto

Thanks

[fierce marten]

There are edge cases like if it doesn't hit a breakpoint in hits to kill some weapons will still 1 shot the same enemies either 60% or 80% s

You might as well put the 20% elsewhere

Oh you're talking about chainsword specifically not weapons in general then I agree with rally

[regal pendant]

...on the topic of melees. What WOULD be best for my CQC melee/ranged vet?

[fierce marten]

Which keystone would you be going for

[heavy geyser]

Weapon Specialist

[marsh gyro]

They kind of all rule on weapon spec

[regal pendant]

Been running the chainsword, it's stupid fun to just go

https://tenor.com/view/ken-fist-of-the-north-star-gif-12286448

It is SO ludicrously fast

I'll shoot some mfs, run into melee, and just "BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM"

[regal pendant]

So they're all pretty decent with weapons spec?

Nice

Guess it's just a matter of picking what's fun

[marsh gyro]

Yeah when picking weapon combos you want one that can bust carapace good and one for crowds good

[fierce marten]

Pretty much every build should be specced to deal with everything because it's not uncommon to be the last one standing

Or you get teammates in rando games that aren't helpful

[heavy geyser]

be prepared

I'm having a crisis where I really like the relic blade but I might still like the eviscerator more for one very specific niche

[sonic elbow]

I keep getting 25+ level teammates in haz3 and 10-16 in haz4

[fierce marten]

It's a new game mode so it's for new players

It just makes sense

Or folks making new characters for new weapons

[sonic elbow]

I mean base game

I can't be assed to remember names

malice? heresy?

[tough compass]

I think difficulty or level would reduce confusion with Hazard

[fierce marten]

I'm the level 30 in malice, there are times when you have like 2 really awful games you need just a win even if it's an easy one

[heavy geyser]

haz4 is DRG lingo. dwarves understand

[fierce marten]

In the game files they're labeled as difficulty 1,2,3,4,5

[tough compass]

It's possible the 10-16 are people who are leveling a second character and feel like they can do level 4s

[fierce marten]

I assume it's cause they named it later but developed difficulty first

Having full mastery weapons from other classes can carry someone in heresy (4)

[tough compass]

Or I guess it could be new people who assume you are supposed to do the highest difficulty available (this was not me though lol)

[fierce marten]

I jumped into it right when I could while leveling veteran with dueling sword and shout cause it was guranteed win

[tough compass]

Sadly, there are no dwarves in Darktide

[tough compass]

Was that your first character though?

Oh right, difficulty 4 is indirectly the hardest because it is notably harder than 3 but all the good players are doing 5+

[fierce marten]

Honestly that's fair a ton of games if you played games a bunch the difficulty above medium is like your default medium so like games where fresh players aren't supposed to do highest diff is unusual

No but if I were in a lobby how would you know if it was my first character or not based on my level?

[tough compass]

Yeah, it's a reasonable assumption

[fierce marten]

You would see level 16 veteran

And not like many many hours in zealot

[tough compass]

You wouldn't! I'm just trying to guess what is more common based on my data points of like... two now lol

[fierce marten]

You would probably know once the game starts

Runs into first area, dies, ragequits

[tough compass]

Eh, when I think bad players in diff four, it's a bit more subtle than that lol

[fierce marten]

You thought I was good because I have hundreds of hours in the game, no I practiced being bad for hundreds of hours

4 is when there is a lot limit for being carrying imo, my teammates could die every room and you could rescue them yourself fine if you got something good. Damnation harder to carry you might fail. Beyond that carrying becomes much less guaranteed

At 4 you could have like been carried the entire way with bad habits and not know cause the missions were won but weren't aware of being carried

[fierce marten]

Ngl that is kind of true, the first 40 hours I played when I reach damnation I just sucked so hard at it and didn't know why so I looked at guides and learned stuff like how good dodging, shoving, and slidedashing is

I barely used those in the first 40 hours

I cringe looking back

[regal pendant]

...man

You know what I wish we had

A fuckin LMG

Why do the heretics get big guns but the biggest we have are restricted to ogryns?

[fierce marten]

Ogyrns are biggest so they get biggest gun

If you would like to discuss it you would have to talk to their lawyer (it's a rock approaching at high speeds)

[tough compass]

Rejects hate standing still and so refuse to use a weapon that requires significant bracing

[fierce marten]

The poor veteran talent that needs you to be standing still for a moment

[tough compass]

You don't have to stand still if you are good

(I am not good and so don't like that talent)

[heavy geyser]

The gunners don't even stand still anymore.

They strafe now.

[fierce marten]

I haven't seen a veteran build with that talent

Movement feels so important in darktide

[tough compass]

I guess the gunners got the chaos juice that makes cultists super swole so they don't have to brace anymore

Also, them strafing sounds annoying lol. I should play the new update at some point

[regal pendant]

It's not that annoying tbh

Just means you have to think slightly harder when you shoot them

They don't have some ULTRAKILL strafe that's super fast or some shit, they like

Pace off to one side

[fierce marten]

Big thing is me is the dreg shotgunners aren't pushing you back

[regal pendant]

Yeah that always felt like shit

I'm glad they removed that

[fierce marten]

Trying to melee them then you're like on a treadmill in a barrage then die from not being able to kill them in melee

[regal pendant]

...though I do wish they made their shotguns actual shotguns and not three-round burst rifles

[fierce marten]

Another reason I always choose blades of faith before

[regal pendant]

That's always struck me as a weird visual

[regal pendant]

It's a decent chunk of the reason I always run Deflector

[dawn totem]

Funny because I have two Vet builds the specifically use that trait, lol.

[fierce marten]

Are they long range builds

With that one more damage from distance talent

[frank igloo]

im warming up to the deimos force sword for heavy crunching

[tough compass]

Oh, I'm glad they changed that too. It was extra annoying when they decided that you weren't actually engaged in melee and shot you instead (even if it is smart on their end lol)

[fierce marten]

The tutorial even covers how going into melee with enemies forces them into melee

[dawn totem]

For the most part yeah, they're built for long range damage. I think they're really useful when ranged baddies like to blast the group from hard to reach areas.

[fierce marten]

Those gunners did not complete the tutorial

[dawn totem]

I find the build useful to take out long range gunners

[tough compass]

Did they change how long the animation is? That was the worst part of the Deimos force sword (if I'm not confusing them)

[regal pendant]

Deimos was always the anti-heavy sword, yeah

Though now the force greatsword is much better suited for that role

[marsh gyro]

Light into Heavy not only rules, the heavy stab has a 1000x stagger multiplier if you hit the weak spot

[tough compass]

I actually was ok with the gunners finishing their burst. That felt ok. I'm guessing there is a delay between the AI deciding to shoot and the animation finishing such that engaging them in melee doesn't trigger in a feels-bad way

[tough compass]

Is that a literal number or an exaggeration?

[marsh gyro]

Source code location is

scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords/settings_templates/force_sword_damage_profile_templates.lua

[fierce marten]

The them finishing their barrage before going into melee I didn't mind it was the combination of them not going into melee and their shots being like a movement stopper

Since the latter was change the not going into melee doesn't bother me anymore

[tough compass]

I asked because it was hard to tell with Darktide lol. Also is this the uncharged stab? That's a bit surprising

(I kind of hate how hidden a bunch of this stuff is)

[worldly talon]

I can safely say

Friendship ended with Eviscerator

Now Relic Blade is my best friend

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it's the second heavy uncharged stab, it does melee stagger, while the charged special does what's called "sticky" stagger like the chain weapons and most folks have a very tiny sticky stagger threshold so unless they're stagger immune from a recent sticky stagger they'll get interrupted

[worldly talon]

Also I finally unlocked the fancy red psyker greatsword yesterday

[tough compass]

Will that heavy stab stagger everything that can be staggered then?

And does it play a special animation or something?

[worldly talon]

Though I've decided the first mark is better for my preferred Scryer's Gaze Unga Bunga build

Just because the overhead and stab just deletes crushers

[marsh gyro]

Anything that can be staggered by melee yeah, the folks that can't are monstrosities (who can only be staggered by explosions)

[worldly talon]

(And Ogryn Charge)

[marsh gyro]

Whose stagger is coded as an explosion with math.huge cleave distribution turns out

[worldly talon]

Nice

Also Ogryn charge will cause BoNs to spit out teammates and Chaos Spawn to drop them

[tough compass]

Was this how they stopped that one Ogryn stun loop or was there a different reason that worked?

[marsh gyro]

Which animation plays depends on how big the stagger threshold and type is and melee can do a light (flinch), medium (whole body flinch), and heavy (get thrown back) animation based on the stagger threshold so the .0001 weak spot resist reduction multi means you're gonna hit heavy threshold each time

[marsh gyro]

Yeah ogryn slap used to be coded as an explosion and now it's coded as an uppercut

[tough compass]

Sorry, I mean from the weapon. Like a spark of psychic energy or whatever. It just seems weird that it has such a high stagger

(unless this is actually kind of normal for weapons to have and I didn't notice)

[marsh gyro]

It's just weird yeah, like the combat axe stab with the antax or the standard issue shovel (which in the code is another combat axe) has a 0.0001 stagger resist multiplier on weak spot hit for 10,000x stagger effectiveness but since it's an uppercut and not melee it'll only do big flinch and not John Woo shot by shotgun fling

Dueling Sword poke has the same kinda deal

[tough compass]

Uppercuts make sense because that's their purpose. Chaos gives you a bit of a glass jaw I guess

[marsh gyro]

Funny enough the Ogryn latrine shovel uppercut is still coded as an explosion (which is why it launches dudes), it just has low enough base stagger it won't stagger a monstrosity (who needs 100 or 200 base, halved on weak spot)

[sonic elbow]

playing malice to get some levels so I can comfortably carry in 4 (a bit hard on level 14) and

a singular crusher spawned

and a teammate shrieked over voice "there's a fucking big guy!!!"

[frank igloo]

lmaoo

meanwhile, damnation with its 8 crusher packs-

[marsh gyro]

This game's escalation of threat is neat because it's as much as folks want to take on

[heavy geyser]

I appreciate that nothing becomes spongier, more or less.

There's just more of it.

Asterisk, green snot havoc makes things a bit spongier

[sonic elbow]

I completely skipped past rippers and gungryn in general because shooting a lot usually makes me go "ok" but I'm giving them a try now

great fun actually

also can opener ripper into pickaxe

...though knowing fatshark it's possible that doing that reduces my damage

[marsh gyro]

Nah Brittleness is the gift that keeps on giving - any rending/brittleness past 100% damage to a target increases damage by 25% the amount over 100

[tough compass]

They become a bit spongier iirc. But yeah, it's mostly numbers and very little sponge

[sonic elbow]

I recall some weirdness with weapons having low base damage but huge bonus against armour so the part that's embrittlened takes base damage

and the total comes out less sometimes

[tough compass]

Which feels way better

[sonic elbow]

by "the part that's embrittlened" I mean part of resistances

[tough compass]

Huh, I didn't think armor worked that way in Darktide. Is this some edge case where you get bonus against an type armor above 100%?

[marsh gyro]

Brittleness/Rending affects carapace/flak/unyielding/maniac and enemies have a base armor type and locations can have armor overrides (like how scab ragers are flak base and have a carapace armor torso or dreg melee mooks have unarmored base and flak head) and it should be pretty consistent what hits what - the 40% brittleness would take pickaxe 75%/90%/80%/80% effectiveness vs those armor types and bump it to 103.75%/107.5%/105%/105% effectiveness for a roughly 38%/19%/31%/31% damage boost

[tough compass]

So brittleness can cause you to do more damage against an armoured opponent than an unarmored one?

Does this affect the Zealot charge ignoring armor thing then?

[marsh gyro]

Zealot charge adds 100% rending to next melee attack and buffs your next swing by 25% so that's part of why it punches crushers so good yeah

Brittleness adds to rending additively

Brittleness caps at 40% from most sources but fire brittleness and veteran crit melee brittleness are separate 20% sources so if you have all 3 on an enemy that's 80% brittleness potentially

[regal pendant]

Lmaoooooooooo

[fierce marten]

Magic School Bus visits the Emperor

They're taking a field trip to othe eye of terror

[sonic elbow]

I have such a funny ogryn build cooking

just need all the levels

[fierce marten]

Yea blades of faith is supposed to bounce off of carapace but uncanny strike blessing let's it deal full damage and it by default does a ton of headshot damage so easy 3 knives to really quickly kill crusher. Iirc flamer has penetrating flaming and having max stacks then using charge makes the flamer stacks ignore armor and kill crushers in seconds

The flamer one is likely patched as I never see it and only read about it in old posts

[sonic elbow]

hmm, the ogrynomicon says the "don't get interrupted during heavy swings" talent does nothing because ogryns don't stagger anyways

[drowsy tusk]

I like the look of this

[sonic elbow]

the two bullrush upgrades give me the most hmm because the safety from bleed is nice but the big damage boost is probably even safer

the trick will be setting up weapons that kill fast enough without much in the way of damage talents, I'm thinking Mk4 knoife and the AMR stubber

...hold up, haymaker exists

let's go gambling

[split mantle]

<@&1042950387478560878>

[drowsy tusk]

Yes

[split mantle]

we're having a bad day and we want to kill people

[gentle flame]

A NEW MARVEL HAS AWOKEN

[fierce marten]

This psyker can hold so much peril
slaps roof of warp
the loudest sound and visuals before head explodes

I actually installed a mod for less of that for Psyker so I can see, I was running venting Shriek chill daemons

[fierce marten]

I can't believe they made ragers so OP what is fatshark doing.

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/bRa9C9HutM

Zealots get regular pants and maybe a metal breastplate but ragers get carapace undies?!

[regal pendant]

This is outrageous

I DEMAND a carapace codpiece and underwear set IMMEDIATELY

[regal pendant]

Were poxburster spawn rates increased

[regal pendant]

Also: Are specials just straight up dead silent for anyone else

[drowsy vine]

<@&1042950387478560878> need 2 for tidin

[crystal sluice]

tide

[gentle flame]

There's an issue with too many sound effects playing at a given time. Between music, peril sfx, weapon effects, enemies making noise...

[brazen fossil]

I have a couple, remember vet has cover mechanics

I have builds I can share if ya want

[gentle flame]

Real shame that everytime I see a really high level psyker they always use the quell macro cheat

[sonic elbow]

it just occured to me that the game might be running at fewer threads than I have available

but... I'm mildly tech illiterate and forgot how to check my supported threads

[sonic elbow]

got dropped into a game with two players captured and one downed and it was such a mess that I died immediately and the game got stuck loading in shame lmao

gotta say it's very annoying to drop in with limited resources because the bot used them up

[sonic elbow]

after half a match of clutching something unseen YOTE me from behind, landing me in a pit in a hole-in-one

too funny to be mad but no clue what it was

I didn't take damage from the yeet so not a burster

[sonic elbow]

I fought some proper boss at some point today and I gotta say it was pretty meh

he just walked around popping off single shots and doing the occasional clothesline

my team felt very average and we curbstomped him before I could register who that was

[cloud hazel]

the actual bosses are a lot less threatening than the monstrosities 99% of the time

with the exception of hardmode karnak twins

who have traumatized me for life

[sonic elbow]

he gave me john keykeeper VT2 flashbacks

who's a decorative boss because the level is twice as long as normal and ends with another boss who's for real this time

john key didn't have a shield but also I didn't feel safe frollicking in his boss arena

now I do

[heavy geyser]

The real issue comes when a captain and a chaos spawn both appear at once.

they're problem amplifiers

not so much problems themselves

We had a good havoc run the other night until a captain, a plague ogryn and a shooter pack in a tiny room broke up our cohesion.

[sonic elbow]

also damn I got enough gear upgrades to not feel like I'm swinging a pool noodle in heresy so I'm mainly doing that now

and the drop in teammate IQ is as immediate as it is immense

it's not a "skill issue", they don't get overwhelmed etc

they just make every wrong choice while pressing the right buttons

I get teams where everyone feels capable of soloing a good stretch and then they all ult themselves in the foot

notable exception of a psyker that got left alone with a mostly dead boss and the entire population of my city in shooters and gunners and pulled through

the way the rest of us died was a beatiful tragedy involving trapper crossfire and a flamer following a dodging player and unintentionally oiling up the two netted

we dodged into each other's nets

[regal pendant]

Wretched name

Awful

[drowsy tusk]

This is terrible, @twilit cradle look at this bullshit

[soft summit]

my Pysker is also called Skibidi

cause Skibid Rizz is a 40k name

[regal pendant]

Question

How do y'all make the flamer feel good to use

[fierce marten]

Depends on what you mean but if you mean it's slow to pull out the animation cancel with blades of faith to use right away while pulling it out.

And blessings depend on if your run blazing piety or not

Blaze away works very well with blazing piety

And you melt mixer hordes short of crushers really

It's less risky than Melee in dense dense hordes cause specialists or other enemies blending in with the numbers getting close without you seeing could be dangerous so you flamer away safely when you need to

[regal pendant]

I see

[fierce marten]

Hate to use the word meta but it is very popular alongside zarona quickdraw stubber and braced autogun cause it's great

[brazen fossil]

I have conceived the god bolt gun vet

It is very satisfying

[fierce marten]

I'm listening, I love bolt gun

[marsh gyro]

Best case scenario is burn stat over 77% for max burn stacks

[fierce marten]

Especially spearhead

[regal pendant]

...maybe I should try boltgun instead of flamer if I want a big heavy gun...

[fierce marten]

They have different use cases

Spearhead murders crushers and flamer murders hordes but crushers

[marsh gyro]

Bolter picks off big targets, flamer melts many targets

[brazen fossil]

100% crit after 0.3 sec of aiming, massive reload speed, perfect aim

2 taps most elites on damnation

It only requires you to click heads

[marsh gyro]

Is it left side executioner's stance veteran with 10 stacks standing still and rending from left and middle tree?

[brazen fossil]

Nope, 15 stacks, the ability got buffed so headshot is 6 seconds before it goes down, kill is 3

Otherwise yes

[marsh gyro]

Yeah in dense situations 15 stacks is wild, I like the 10 stacks on slower firing stuff just for uptime

15 stack braced auto or recon lasgun is my go to for brrrt builds

[brazen fossil]

I find I can often get multiple headshots with every shot

So it stacks up very quickly

It also means I'm still very mobile

[drowsy vine]

Bolter can one tap a good swathe of Damnation elites with a few setups

[brazen fossil]

Yeah

[fierce marten]

Is this bolt pistol or spearheader boltgun

[brazen fossil]

Spearhead

Its an ads build specifically

[fierce marten]

I would think it'd just one tap on a veteran, I run it on zealot and could 4 shot body shot crushers cause my aim is bad

I did not play much veteran besides weird weapons specialists for fun then back to zealot

[brazen fossil]

I love vet

I think vet is the best class

So many builds

[dull parrot]

Hell yeah fellow Vet enjoyer

[regal pendant]

Imagine not having cool space magic

Imagine not being able to fucking Palpatine your foes

[thick rivet]

Or cleave through your foes with the might of the righteous

[sonic elbow]

or do a spin attack

[fierce marten]

I have a need to move like someone high on faith with a knife. My ADHD brain is taking meth in real life and I need that translated to gameplay

Relic blade was nice but i've moved back to speedy weapons before dueling sword is nerfed

[regal pendant]

...I wonder

How would the Rejects compare to like

Bigger-name players in the setting

Given how regularly they kill big threats like plague ogryns and beasts of nurgle

[fierce marten]

Big names still alive in setting? I'm gonna say not at all they're often monsters with plot armor that make us look like grunts.

Named characters in general? Rogue Trader we're like around that

[regal pendant]

Makes sense

[fierce marten]

Ciaphas Cain just like, is the ultramarines of humans with his plot armor

A named ultramarine is gonna die in the same book or is never gonna die no matter the odds

[thick rivet]

Ah a fellow imbiber of the diet amphetamines

[fierce marten]

I will say it's pretty diet, my appetite is gone forever

[sonic elbow]

the inquisitorial crew after a random sludge farmer cuts through 400 men seconds after being explosively yoten out of prison: I unno seems shit but might have potential

[fierce marten]

Our rejects are special, i'd say we're like powerful amongst the named guardsmen

Beasts of Nurgle are threats to space marines with just a few of them

And then we got zealot with a knife or hammer deleting them

Veteran has strong plot armor, I hink it's loose cannon that has a line they think they're actually unkillable unironically cause the stuff thy've been through if they were killable they would have been already

[tough compass]

Killing 200-300 enemies/mission is pretty crazy even by very big named 40k characters

You have to figure out how to adjust power level for the genre

[fierce marten]

Also depends on what you mean by big named characters

[sonic elbow]

that's because named characters don't know how to push

[fierce marten]

Like Trazyn, Cain, Gulliman? 400 is their lazy hour

[sonic elbow]

they're mostly described as "they sure were killing a lot yeah" because thankfully at some point writers realized that the specific number of goons cut down is not as exciting in text as in the author's head

[fierce marten]

40k writers have a poor understanding of numbers

Ironically 40k numbers are often too small

I belive they said imperium is like a quadrillion people with millions of worlds with billions each. That is really low if we consider FTL travel cause milky way has billions of star systems

Million worlds is like, nothing.

Considering imperium can terraform really hostile planets

They'll cite interplanetary wars between systems being in like millions deathcount but WWII2 real life on earth had 80million so by comparison several systems with hive cities with more people in them as earth now? Millions is staggeringly low deathrates

The safest war

[dawn totem]

I hear either millions of worlds or billions of worlds. Feels like 40k kinda needs those vagaries just work sometimes.

[marsh gyro]

Relic blade on a "no ammo pickups scab melee" maelstrom is pretty huge 40k protagonist hours, highly recommend

[dawn totem]

I tend to like to main Vet because wow there are options. I've got two long ranger snipers, a stealth commando, and a plasma-based officer.

[sonic elbow]

stealth?

oh

nvm I rembered the ability

I was kinda never one for stealth in tide games, shade was my by far least played

I did run a lot of bardin ranger though because his smoke bomb had immense utility

I definitely see the utility of disappearing to nuke the most relevant threat but it's not my thing

[fierce marten]

Vermintide 2 I was ok on Shade but preferred Sienna in general

Darktide Shroudfield Zealot I absolutely love

Easily my favorite with a majority of my hours

The careers in vermintide were overall simpler as there were more of them than darktide I think was the difference for me.

Darktide just like squeezed all of those careers into the 4 classes we have now which I'm a fan of the theorycrafting and flexibility

So you can lean hard into a specific playstyle

[marsh gyro]

Yeah it's neat being able to hybrid build or dive down a tree based on mood

[fierce marten]

Shroudfield for zealot is pretty strong, most abilities are but zealots is like a good at everything ability for burst damage, movement, survival, utility with revives and objectives, and ig stealth as well. It kind of just does everything. The utility part puts it over charge for me