it doesn't need it
#ARPGs
pine wedge
grizzled hamlet
:)
hollow geyser
Tornado shot keeps winning
pine wedge
Totems are DEAD
grizzled hamlet
rip melee totems
pine wedge
Tornado shot keeps winning
it got kneecapped last league
hollow geyser
Projectile lifetime nerf?
grizzled hamlet
heavy strike no knockback
this is a buff
that sweep
on average 75% more damage
pine wedge
Higher tier base types info
grizzled hamlet
nice nice
pine wedge
And Aura nerfs to compensate but net buff
pine wedge
grizzled hamlet
KAOM HEART IS BACK
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
endurance charges buffed it seems?
pine wedge
Yeah pretty sweet
pine wedge
Phys taken as nerfed
pine wedge
expected
grizzled hamlet
block buff
life leech buff
i like what im hearing so far
VAAL PACT IS BACK
AYO
i was gonna joke glad got 20% of old vaal pact
but no
we just have old vaal pact
berserker flicker lets go
with old vaal pact, im going melee 100%
hollow geyser
How long has Vaal Pact been gone because that was always a winner
grizzled hamlet
no they nerfed it
pine wedge
Oh kk
solar vigil
Holy shit
grizzled hamlet
How long has Vaal Pact been gone because that was always a winner
years
its instant leech for just melee now
solar vigil
It’s gonna be the Wild West
grizzled hamlet
which makes sense
pine wedge
Wander buffs
grizzled hamlet
yeah same
grizzled hamlet
banners are free but theyre actually a skill now
solar vigil
Is melee hell on maven or is it not that bad?
solar vigil
“Sort it out yourself lmao”
pine wedge
Ventor's BiS?
grizzled hamlet
this is a buff
solar vigil
The meta is completley different
grizzled hamlet
probably actual meta shakeup hopefully
scarabs getting changed makes sense
its just them iterating on them now
so theyll settle more over time
solar vigil
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY
pine wedge
I'll take it lol
solar vigil
twwt coming back would be so bad
solar vigil
Is that bad
pine wedge
T17 nerfs thank god
hollow geyser
vaal orbs on t17s lol
Like vaals drop consistently from t17s?
pine wedge
Nerfs to HP and damage
grizzled hamlet
Like vaals drop consistently from t17s?
you can now use vaals on it
you could just chaos them before
hollow geyser
Everyone appreciates a good bricked unided map
grizzled hamlet
console improvements is hype maybe?
i play a bunch of path on steam deck, so i like improvements in this area
hollow geyser
Does that mean you can krangle up a t18?
pine wedge
Everyone appreciates a good bricked unided map
you can ID corrupted items
grizzled hamlet
yeah was added last league i think?
pine wedge
yep
steady saddle
this is a cooked league
grizzled hamlet
its so cooked
steady saddle
where are my slam hopium enjoyers
solar vigil
/pos or /neg?
grizzled hamlet
very pos
steady saddle
what slam am I league starting
grizzled hamlet
(been talking with arjun on the side too)
grizzled hamlet
same here
steady saddle
the patch drops after the stream, so excited to lose my ENTIRE work day to this
grizzled hamlet
didnt we already have boat hideout?
steady saddle
Jenny, I have a new idea:
100% block retaliate guardian
use lancing steel of spraying to be permanently attacking
grizzled hamlet
LOL THE LEVELUP
steady saddle
hell yeah
grizzled hamlet
orbital laser lets goooooooooooooooo
steady saddle
still prefer my silly anchor slam
grizzled hamlet
LOL THE BELL
steady saddle
all my chaos orbs on red rhoa
steady saddle
it's me, I'm already gambling
grizzled hamlet
people will be banned over it
grizzled hamlet
pine wedge
They flew him out this time
steady saddle
poe content creators really are something else
solar vigil
yeag...
im abut to either cook so hard or fuck myself over lol
like
holy shit this league is so cool and i hope some of this stuff stays core
solar vigil
im abut to either cook so hard or fuck myself over lol
i put my life in the hands of the thorycrafters
pine wedge
I expect plenty of melee league starter guides popping up
solar vigil
yeah
grizzled hamlet
im doing some kind of slayer to start with i think?
solar vigil
and who knows how many of them are gonna be good in actuality
grizzled hamlet
either that or a classic jugg
steady saddle
I'm ready to go slam chief
though they did make damage taken conversion rarer
I'm not sure ahhhh this is too much
solar vigil
i have NO CLUE, although i kinda want to play some kind of templar maybe?
steady saddle
maybe just a juggernaut to be safe, like concentrated path of endurance
endurance charges buffed, I'm so ready
vaal pact is going to be so cool
CPE was already screen wide at 6 endurance
pine wedge
For the record: gold, item gambling, and the exchange are NOT league bound
steady saddle
Twitter
pine wedge
They will just work so you can entirely ignore the mechanic if you want
steady saddle
word count of the patch notes
grizzled hamlet
and second build
steady saddle
i have NO CLUE, although i kinda want to play some kind of templar maybe?
I ws gonna start guardian for absolution
solar vigil
idk
steady saddle
my goal this league was to get the watchstones by myself
solar vigil
its all gonna be up in the air
steady saddle
now I'm 50% certain I'm juggernaut or chieftain
solar vigil
and realistically im gonna use another maxxroll build even though i dont really like maxxroll
my brain is too small to follow less detailed stuff lol
hollow geyser
How's Scion these days
solar vigil
poevault has good builds too usually
eeeeh ive been told theyre hit or miss
pine wedge
How's Scion these days
Fine but not really a league starter generally
grizzled hamlet
yeah theyre not maxroll consistent
pine wedge
but you can make good starters on her
solar vigil
i maaaay wait till the 29th to start... ive got a big exam to study for and i dont wanna screw myself over 3 days before lmao
pine wedge
We got currency exchange because Mark couldn't find someone selling a catalyst
/joking
steady saddle
oh yeah, I can league start absolution, and then switch to holy relic of conviction
https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/holy-relic-guardian-build-guide
solar vigil
but ive got no clue what im playing
is melee particularly hard for maven?
since thats my goal this league
pine wedge
Yes, but that's why they just got fuck you amounts of damage buffs
So maybe it ends up balancing out
steady saddle
the problem is totems dying a lot right? you'll have so much damage uptime now
pine wedge
but yes melee in any fight with positioning requirements is going to be harder
steady saddle
but maybe banners become the new totems
pine wedge
Banners can't die
solar vigil
but yes melee in any fight with positioning requirements is going to be harder
yeah...
so i maaaay not
idk
steady saddle
it's why I want to play volcanic fissure of snaking
that's a ranged slam build
it looks so fun
solar vigil
since id bet poe 2 beta comes after this league
steady saddle
conc path of endurance too, since I'll just telefrag stuff
solar vigil
since this league ends in november
grizzled hamlet
We got currency exchange because Mark couldn't find someone selling a catalyst
honestly, i dont think the /joking belongs there
it literally is him going "man, this actually sucks"
mark and jonathan running things has been so nice
solar vigil
and im 100% maining monk in that, so i wanna see how melee feels in this game to compare
pine wedge
https://vxtwitter.com/Jungroan/status/1814041756993806689?t=id4miLJF0NkhfGuBsHGu...
+1 curse, old vengeant cascade, no-downside VP, replica Headhunter
steady saddle
what is this new currency
solar vigil
and im 100% maining monk in that, so i wanna see how melee feels in this game to...
so i wanna see if i can feasably play a melee build this league, but also i wanna kill maven
pine wedge
what is this new currency
League specific currency
solar vigil
so i wanna see if i can feasably play a melee build this league, but also i wann...
so my goal i guess is to thread the needle. i dont necessarily want "melee" but youre actually just ranged, i wanna go up and hit people. so theoretically something with good mobility.
pine wedge
Runes for rune crafting
They are thinking of expanding the market to everything
this is a test
solar vigil
does leap slam actually let you leap over the maven beams?
or are you just moving foward
is the y axis real
pine wedge
I suspect you get hit still
solar vigil
yeah
i jsut confirmed it, yeah
hmmmmmm
i dont wanna do flicker...
ill see what crops up
pine wedge
Yep!
solar vigil
hell yeah
pine wedge
Act 4 town
grizzled hamlet
nice through line to path 2
solar vigil
people were just saying they were just re using assets
grizzled hamlet
i did think the layout looked familiar
solar vigil
cool to see thats cannon
pine wedge
people were just saying they were just re using assets
They reuse assets all the time. doesn't mean it's incorrect
solar vigil
but if theyre doing this, hopefully beta is after this
i remember them saying something about november
pine wedge
It's expected this is a sendoff league
solar vigil
yeah! ovbs this isnt the last poe 1 league
pine wedge
yeah
solar vigil
but it is cool to see this ties into poe2
pine wedge
but, they are planning on rolling out the open beta for 2 in November I think?
pine wedge
Which is 4 months away and yep
we have 4 months leagues now
so it all checks out
Warden has some spicy Tincture nodes
solar vigil
people were hoping for tinctures and the corpses from affliction to come back, and its cool that theyre back
pine wedge
Everyone can
pine wedge
but Warden is best for obvious reasons
It's like Pathfinder with Potions
Where if you depend on Tinctures you really think about Warden
solar vigil
the theorycrafters are gonna be on fire for the next week lol
solar vigil
they just nuked the meta
pine wedge
Expect lots of Gladiator builds as well
ember nimbus
I play duelist how are we looking 👀
pine wedge
Major buffs and they added stuff for block builds
Like a massive AoE skill on block
You can do block based autobomber lol
ember nimbus
Looks like I’m playing this legue
pine wedge
maybe
But still, this league is The Melee League
and also Palworld League (their words)
ember nimbus
Party 🎉
ember nimbus
Last melee league I had a lot of fun so I’m very much looking forward to this
pine wedge
Most melee skills got ~75% more damage
solar vigil
i will not be surprised if melee is fuckbusted this league
and i will embrace the chaos
ember nimbus
Unless my man duelist as some spicy new sub classes
solar vigil
I was jawdropped through most of that reveal
pine wedge
ember nimbus
I’ve never paid for anything and spent at least 500 hours LOL 😂
solar vigil
Labor Exploitation League
pine wedge
solar vigil
woah thats wild
random shrine buffs cycling?
that feels real cheezy lol
The Grinding Gear Games Gear Grinder
Oh hell yeah
An actual place to throw all those 1c uniques
That needs to stay core omg
Although they’re a good source for alch shards
pine wedge
So, in Necropolis T17 maps they could get over 100,000k uniques dropping per map for the top players
Solo players mind
Fucking hell T17 monsters were so chunky because two people buffed their health without knowing they already got buffed
solar vigil
RIP Detonate Dead is untouched
f
although there might be some stuf thats on the same level as it now lol
pine wedge
Hoping Praying
The first build I played was Impending Doom Occulist in Ancestor
And I've been craving that build ever since
So if ED Contagion is back I'm starting it 100%
solar vigil
yeah im kinda eyeing ed contagion if i dont wanna do a melee build
pine wedge
Holy SHIT
The Divine Blessing Support has been removed, and existing versions of this item will be deleted upon logging in after the launch of 3.25.0. Existing Forbidden Shako items will have this Support replaced with Rupture, while existing Hungry Loop's will be replaced with Eternal Blessing. March of the Legion is unaffected by these changes, and is now the sole source of this Support.
That's a change to sneak in
pine wedge
Yeah
pine wedge
Hexblast miner got kneecapped already
solar vigil
that build is in standard purgatory so i dont really care
pine wedge
The helmet is harder to get
pine wedge
NPCs will no longer have items that can be purchased with Quality Currency Items, and no longer sell Glassblower's Baubles.
Use your stuff
steady saddle
RIP Detonate Dead is untouched
didn't they change the interaction between corpse walker and the corpse bank?
pine wedge
Corpses spawned by the Desecrate and Corpse Walk skills now have a flat 15% chance to match your spectres, rather than a 15% chance on top of being added to the main pool of corpse varieties that can be picked from. These Spectral Corpses are now unusable for most purposes, and can only be used by Minion Skills such as Raise Spectre or Bone Offering.
Missed this
This is actually a DD nerf
pine wedge
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3531661
Here
keen dagger
last epoch has server issues just as Path of Exile has a new league coming out? Curious indeed
grizzled hamlet
oooooh
The Dancing Dervish Unique Sword no longer has "Manifested Dancing Dervishes disabled both weapon slots". It now has "Cannot be used while Manifested", meaning you can now weapon swap after Manifesting Dervishes and still use items in your second weapon set.
i wonder if this means
you can have two dancing dervishes doing their full thing at the same time
pine wedge
Oh shit forgot to check maps added but now that I did BEACH IS BACK BABY WOOOO
pine wedge
I just realized something
One of the bosses for this League is Sasan, who uses Explosive Arrow
Congrats Zizarin, you're a boss now
solar vigil
It’s gonna be really funny if the new melee builds aren’t op but are just good and are on the level of other builds but everyone just goes MELEE LEAGUE and plays melee anyways
But I have a feeling they’re gonna be super good and then get toned down a bit next league
Um, I feel like I want a melee build that can do non negligible damage at range but does more up close. I think thats volcanic fissure of snaking if I’m not mistaken?
pine wedge
I'm probably going to end up starting Warden with some nonsense there. Their ele debuffs are really good
solar vigil
I’d be stuck in Lab Hell though
solar vigil
I'm probably going to end up starting Warden with some nonsense there. Their el...
Heck ye
pine wedge
Volcanic Fissure of Snaking was already a solid gem tho
so after this patch it's probably going to be sitting in a good spot
solar vigil
Yeah
solar vigil
Um, I feel like I want a melee build that can do non negligible damage at range ...
Is it like this or does it not do much at range on bosses
pine wedge
Depending on how the guides shake out, you might be able to get it for cheap
pine wedge
Is it like this or does it not do much at range on bosses
Bossing idk you might be able to find footage then crank the numbers up appropriately
That said, it doesn't have fall off
Current version
Nothing about less damage over time
Here's Mathil running it
He's doing Int stacking ele here
but the gear isn't insane. High investment to be sure, but there's no Mageblood or anything
And the boss damage is fine.
It isn't a miner or something
but works
steady saddle
Volcanic Fissure of Snaking was already a solid gem tho
ooh, do you have a build for this? I'm having some doubts about the other slams
pine wedge
nope lol. I can't build for shit
steady saddle
wait nvm you just posted a mathil one
prime spruce
Definitely interested in seeing what kind of warden builds people cook up, i had always enjoyed raider so im sad to see it go but warden looks really cool
steady saddle
frigid kernel
https://poeplanner.com/AwAAAwAhAAEDAG0ArHb8WRjqnmxiKQsnz4w2FdjGOBoeajP2Oas8DnzZT...
are you going hit or dot based for that? fist of war only works ever few seconds so i think it's probably best used for bleed/ignite
pine wedge
fwiw, PoB's beta branch is up
steady saddle
fwiw, PoB's beta branch is up
where?
frigid kernel
https://poeplanner.com/a/09O
https://poeplanner.com/a/0Og
https://poeplanner.com/a/0Oc
https://poeplanner.com/a/0Ol
This is my plan for first atlas progression (links spoilered to prevent embed spam)
And then after completing my atlas tree I'll swap to this https://poeplanner.com/a/0Oy
This is for SSF.
rustic grotto
I'm kinda hoping for an interesting Scion league starter build to materalise
pine wedge
I'm going to be looking for a Warden starter
frigid kernel
I'm kinda hoping for an interesting Scion league starter build to materalise
Are you willing to farm heist for a common replica unique/trade?
pine wedge
LS Warden sounds fun
frigid kernel
Actually nevermind I don't think the scion version of the build would str stack
oh and they removed totem taunt from chief/ascendant so it's not even good >.<
pine wedge
Gladiator Ascendant is stupid tanky if you're using a shield so I suspect most Ascendant starters will include it.
No lucky block is not great but you also get the ramping damage for Pinnacle stuff
prime spruce
Tytykiller's tier list for anyone that's wants a jumping off point
grizzled hamlet
i want to believe, so ill probably do the maxroll shatter jugg or slayer
but if that fails i might reroll a pconc of bouncing
hollow geyser
Elemental hit on top of the list, what a time
pine wedge
Elemental Hit of the Spectrum specifically
I'm personally thinking either of the top two Warden choices
Tho both will be very gear dependant and popular
Which is never a fun combo in trade
hollow geyser
Elemental Hit *of the Spectrum* specifically
Oh dang, looking it up now, that makes sense for tri elemental bows
solar vigil
Where volcanic fissure of snaking :(
Oh it’s a slam
Ok
That’s my main candidate rn
Theoretically
prime spruce
I'm interested in trying ele hit warden but as a wander instead of bows
though i get the feeling bow is probably still way more damage
pine wedge
The three war banners is a glitch or something lol
Boots are probably Det, Anger, Flame Dash, War Banner
steady saddle
and why 3 war banners
autoexertion is not implemented, but each warcry reserves 15%
so if I put seismic and intimidating on autoexertion, that's 30%
3 war banner = 30% = 2 autoexertion warcry
granted the website and pob is bugged, but I calculated I have 130% before adding the sovereignty wheel, which when added gives 28% mana reservation efficiency, which means 130 * (1 - 0.28) = 93.6, so I can run 2 aura 2 warcry
steady saddle
oh god are all those warcrys *manual*?
yeah it's a piano build
seismic and intimidating are automated to give me maximum exerts
rallying+infernal are probably only necessary for bosses (they give 36% added attack, and 50% phys as extra fire respectively)
I must be manually casting ancestral cry all the time, because that gives 60% elemental res, and 6% max res, so I get to 90% all res
enduring cry is just "oh shit, get 20% of my life regen per second" button
if I'm mapping, I'll just be hitting ancestral and slam, and that should be enough? IDK I'm basically spitballing out here
I've only played 2 leagues (affliction, necro) which ironically are the two most diametrically different leagues ever
I've been on the Slam Hopium train since the beginning though 😔
steady saddle
so many red links lmao
also yeah anyone with feedback, I'd love to hear it because I'm really just cobbling together random stuff I hear from anywhere that gives build advice
I could add another warcry (Battlemage) and get +5% Critical Strike Chance
which is apparently enough to get Chieftains to Crit Cap
hmm, maybe I should be running a staff because 2H maces didn't get a buff to base crit ...
keen dagger
it's been 10 years
pine wedge
So happy that is shows the latest market rates
makes it so much easier to just throw up a bunch of stuff and go back to mapping
grizzled hamlet
god im so hype
pine wedge
Wondering what atlas strategy I should league start.
solar vigil
wouldnt it typically just fill instantly if its a popular exchange?
pine wedge
yep
solar vigil
ok
grizzled hamlet
its just you dont have to message 20 people to exchange chaos to divines or the other way around now
solar vigil
yeah
pine wedge
And you can bulk purchase essences just below market rate then map as it slowly fulfills
pine wedge
Yep!
grizzled hamlet
my biggest gripe with farming essence
was how shit it was to sell em
and noone bulk buying not 100div quantities
im league starting essence
i can also easily sell all blight oils
fuck ill make so much more money this league
selling currency that i was too lazy to sell before
pine wedge
Thinking of doing Delirium mirrors and Beyond
Just try and shove a bunch of monsters in a map
pine wedge
THinking something like this
Unfortunately Remarkable Relics is unnerfed so it's probably mandatory
Grabbed the Beidat node despite taking Endless Tide for the extra currancy
Specifically didn't grab the cluster jewel delirum nodes because fuck pricing them
much rather get the orbs which can be traded in bulk
solar vigil
im trying to figure out on a high level what to do for my trees
like, a mapping tree, a tree that gets resources for crafting (so mainly like, essence and harvest, idk what else) and a tree thats for some sort of farming strategy?
there arent gonna be nodes for settlers right?
pine wedge
No settlers nodes
People hated it in Necropolis and they didn't announce one
Might do a Harvest tree as well
Something a bit less crazy than mod density:yes that is my first tree
pine wedge
You mean like Destructive play?
The hardest part is getting enough maps
idk how much the normal Maven invites are worth tho
steady saddle
my last two leagues I did:
legion, breach, ritual, delirium mirror, betrayal, abyss, essence, blight, strongbox, harbingers
I think that leaves just beasts, alva, delve, harvest, expedition, ultimatum, heist
I'm not sure what to try for this league
pine wedge
Alva is super easy to do while progressing maps
steady saddle
I also have like zero experience on doing this, and normally just burn out trying to figure out how to make money and just farm essences while my friends in a guild just sell it somehow
pine wedge
Harvest and Extreme Archeology Expedition is super nice to combine
pine wedge
Yep
steady saddle
all I know about expedition is you can gamble
pine wedge
Instead of a bunch of small explosives you get a single big one
steady saddle
apparently very good at league start for finding rares
pine wedge
Which makes it super fast
steady saddle
omg, no brain explode
do I need to have a super tanky build to survive the rippyness?
pine wedge
apparently very good at league start for finding rares
You generally want Tujin, not the gambler
pine wedge
do I need to have a super tanky build to survive the rippyness?
You do want tank
And you need to pay attention so you don't brick the map
steady saddle
if my build comes together, I'll have 90 all res, but I think my phys max hit will be low
pine wedge
because there is a "Immune to X" for every damage type in the game
steady saddle
but armor is getting better base numbers with quality
pine wedge
Harvest juice is just super handy to have on hand
steady saddle
because there is a "Immune to X" for every damage type in the game
is this just at the map level, or the expedition encounter?
pine wedge
For the encounter
steady saddle
if you can trade harvest in the currency market ...
pine wedge
but if you trigger it and fuck up, you have a gigantic horde of pissed off mobs you can't kill
steady saddle
I don't really enjoy the harvest minigame of click sprinklers and deciphering the weird beast numbers
but I might try and learn how to do it and just flip harvest for easy currency
pine wedge
Just grab the one with the blue/orange enemies
steady saddle
no purple?
pine wedge
Ignore the actual numbers
Ignore juice color unless you need one or there's a tie (gold is best generally)
The enemies have colored names
Pick the one with the highest rarity
Because it will get you the most juice
steady saddle
is it possible to pick an undoable harvest?
like how you were saying with expeditions
pine wedge
Nope
there are no mods
The only time harvest is "undoable" is if you get a nasty rare
which is true of every single mechanic that spawns rares lol
steady saddle
true
pine wedge
Expidition is unique in it's ability to brick
pine wedge
But yeah, if you don't know what you're doing do Expidition with a focus on Tujin
Rog can print money at league start, but it requires a lot of knowledge
Tujin is easy money
steady saddle
thanks! this is a good primer
pine wedge
Danig is a wildcard so he's always good
steady saddle
so maybe I do alva, expedition?
I think harvest is wrong side of the tree from these
solar vigil
Why does extreme Archaeology pair well with harvest?
steady saddle
Why does extreme Archaeology pair well with harvest?
less think
pine wedge
EA is fast
And Harvest is slow
so you can do EA real quick while on the way to Harvest
solar vigil
Ok
pine wedge
I think harvest is wrong side of the tree from these
Expedition and Harvest share a side
Alva is on the other
steady saddle
ah fiddlestix
pine wedge
Harbinger would be my choice for a third
solar vigil
And I guess you slap on essence too for crafting purposes
pine wedge
Expedition, Harvest, Harbinger is a super easy little loop
steady saddle
I'm playing a slam build, so lots of clumped packs sound fun
nice, thanks for the rec
solar vigil
Expedition, Harvest, Harbinger is a super easy little loop
Can you fit in essence on that
pine wedge
Wrong side
steady saddle
do you have any recs for something that includes Alva?
maybe I'll do it for the other atlases
steady saddle
yeah that's an easy sounding map
can you do it on white maps, and that doesn't imapct alva?
pine wedge
But your build isn't an Essence build from what I understand
steady saddle
true, maybe it's a nonbo
pine wedge
can you do it on white maps, and that doesn't imapct alva?
The rooms on Alva don't care about map level
solar vigil
I don’t really know what all goes into map strategies
pine wedge
There are multiple layers. Honestly? Pick the shit that sounds fun
That's the lowest layer
I like dense maps with tons of dudes so I made an Atlas that spawns a dense map with tons of dudes
steady saddle
yeah I want to experience them all at some point, but I also wanna get currency to fund my terrible ideas
pine wedge
Btw, no matter your tree Skittering Swarms and Remarkable Relics are probably mandatory
Scarabs are just too good not to invest
The good news for Harvest and Expedition tho: the products all sell via the Exchange
Except for the Logbooks
technically you should be running those but honestly fuck that
pine wedge
They are a specific thing from Expedition. Basically, a map that is entirely Expedition.
You are plopped down on a unique tileset and given a ton of explosives and setup a big old chain
It's where the bosses are and stuff and they produce tons of the Expedition currency for whoever you are doing it for.
steady saddle
yeesh but with Extreme Archeology this sounds omega rippy
pine wedge
No Extreme Archeology
Your atlas doesn't apply
Also, part of running them is timing the buffs so that you get the best nodes early as they only trigger once blown up
There's guides for them
and don't worry if they're old, that part hasn't changed
solar vigil
Is there a good tree setup for getting materials for crafting? Like essence, harvest, blight?
frigid kernel
This is my atlas strategy for ssf https://youtu.be/hTfXp2t-7L8?si=ix-Xs3yKLRNpX8OI
frigid kernel
Is there a good tree setup for getting materials for crafting? Like essence, har...
In ssf unless you plan on using a lot of very high tier oils you can probably get away with doing demolition heist contracts for all of your blight needs
solar vigil
Oh
Wait a fuckin sec
Does the type of skill you need in heist determine what special chests you get?
pine wedge
I've run it in the past to good success at least
I suspect they're common to stack together yes
steady saddle
is crop rotation (and the other color changing harvest nodes) not worth?
pine wedge
Crop Rotation is weird and requires thinking
so don't bother lol
I would "block" whichever plant is selling the least
steady saddle
hmm, maybe I can't also invest in doing altars since I don't know what I'm doing there
pine wedge
I would do something like this.
https://poeplanner.com/a/oLO
This is assuming this is post completing the atlas
Once you're done clearing maps there's no reason to keep that many sustain nodes
steady saddle
yeah the completionist one will be diff, with a lot of kirac nodes and what not
pine wedge
Hence why I removed them from this one and shoved them into grabbing Remarkable Relics
And left 3 leftover to block the cheap juice
And grabbed Dannig
steady saddle
I probably don't need the 4 scarab nodes for getting ambush/harb scarabs
pine wedge
Nope. GOing to be honest, you're probably going to be buying whatever scarabs you need in bulk
And idk what scarabs you want to run
Harvest scarabs are probably not a bad idea.
And a cartagraphy scarab is super hand for map sustain
steady saddle
Nope. GOing to be honest, you're probably going to be buying whatever scarabs y...
hmm, then what's the point in remarkable relics and skittering swarm
pine wedge
Rare scarabs are money
Like, holy shit money
Last league they were mandatory and this league it'd probably the same story
steady saddle
aight, then I moved a few points around to get 100% carto scarabs
btw thanks for going in so much depth @pine wedge!
steady saddle
usually I have to binge watch like 30 goddamn videos to get a modicum of an idea of what I'm going to do
pine wedge
I freed up 5 points
Stuck them in the Eater bit at the top for more altars and the last point for more refresh currancy
Also, when I built mine I had a friend go through it and poke all sorts of holes in it lol
Something to keep in mind for this league is stackable items are going to move
The bulk market is going to be far more liquid with the huge drop in friction
I have no idea what that will do to prices, but it's going to do something
steady saddle
moving means it'll proabably cheapen things
because the entry barrier for them is lower?
perhaps the smart idea is to do stuff that doesn't move easily because of the fluctuation?
maybe my third atlas is alva/ritual/? could be something to pivot to later
pine wedge
honestly, I'm counting on the fast movement allowing me to dump the low sellers that much quicker and being able to sell items piecemeal without losing money (because I can't take advantage of the bulk premium)
(headed to bed, it is 12:30am)
steady saddle
ty for the advice, gn!
frigid kernel
https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAASAIQAh9RcrV8-eICJEUV1TPXqNaHJbJmupbTpiy5K0I...
If you aren't doing anything advanced then you shouldn't take crop rotation. If a specific juice color is more desirable you can prioritize it
frigid kernel
WOW
prime spruce
I believe theres still a spend points and get a free mystery box going, so if you've got a few extra points may as well use them on a weta
frigid kernel
i used two div on my 6% iiq sadmia touch in ssf standard
and it was at 6% after both
but i do have a 15% greed embrace, a 15% thief torm, and a couplr of 20% of the fire res boots
pine wedge
Something interesting is that this is a HC build with one Aura.
The Det and Grace nerfs are huge huh
steady saddle
I think that's a good thing
having to stack auras for defensive layers which forces you to get Eldritch Battery always struck me as odd
pine wedge
It also cuts a lot of pressure for Strength nodes
because you no longer have to run such an extremely strength heavy gem
solar vigil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KgSrJiTqoQ
Hmmmmmm 👀
solar vigil
Ok
solar vigil
huh
i didnt know that rogue exiles always dropped a full set of items every time you kill one
i get the extra cartography scarabs and reliquary scarabs passives on the tree, but is it worth it to get the anarchy scarabs passive too?
pine wedge
Honestly, the specific scarab passives are an unknown quantity because we don't know what's valuable.
Last league at least the valuable scarabs were not affected by any of those passives
solar vigil
but, this is what ive got for mapping https://poeplanner.com/a/oR9
grizzled hamlet
pob updated with gem info
pine wedge
but, this is what ive got for mapping https://poeplanner.com/a/oR9
Is this progressing maps?
solar vigil
Yeah
pine wedge
I would honestly look at grabbing Packed With Energy
It's nerfed, but still useful while weak
solar vigil
Oh true
pine wedge
Oh true
Also, if this is for map progression you probably can drop the Scarab nodes
and the abyss node
ember nimbus
makes sense, it was a silly change
thank you for the video this will be my build
steady saddle
is int-stacking a difficult build to get into? especially as a league-start or casual player?
pine wedge
Yes. Int-stacking generally depends on synth-implicits
You can flex into it after league-starting something else, but going "I'm Int Stacker!" on day one probably isn't great.
steady saddle
the changes to armor bases and quality seems like a huge W for the Trickster's Escape Artist
I think some content creator said a Trickster with one of the new bases was 7K ES naked except for body
pine wedge
Ok
Ok, maybe keep the abyss node if that's a money maker? Idk, I'm bad at map progression
pine wedge
https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis?class=Trickster&passiveids=11455&allskills=E...
re: the synth implicits every single person there has a specific implicit on their gloves.
steady saddle
makes sense
3% inc dmg per 100 int
I haven't done any synth, and I don't fully understand it other than two items make one
and that's the only place to get it, which means it'll be short in supply?
pine wedge
no idea how to get synth stuff tbh
But it's limited and getting a good base with the right implicit is $$$$$
Also, most of those characters are wearing Heist jewelery bases which are OH GOD expensive
If you see a Simplex Amulet on someone, add another 400 Divines to their build minimum
solar vigil
Ok, maybe keep the abyss node if that's a money maker? Idk, I'm bad at map prog...
It’s more for xp
But yeah I can drop it
pine wedge
Yeah, sorry I might not be a help. The point of a progression atlas is getting as many maps as possible with as little nodes as possible with a side of easy money for upgrades.
So I would cut a lot of fat to just focus on getting buffs for smooth mapping and getting lots of maps
pine wedge
Fossils, resonators, and boss drops
solar vigil
i see
pine wedge
Also delve specific mods which will require price checking (and the best ones got killed)
grizzled hamlet
you know im still coming to grips with the trade house
buying scarabs being easy
rustic grotto
I think I'm gonna jump back in this league with...something
Might even start streaming again
solar vigil
everyone seems to be making a lacerate glad build
pine wedge
That's just the first build guide posted
Give it a couple days
Most people honestly are still deciding until 20 minutes before league start when they start having to think up a dumb name
solar vigil
no ive seen like 3 guides so far lol
pine wedge
In that case maybe it's just low hanging fruit?
solar vigil
quick q
pine wedge
"Melee patch and Glad got buff let's play a melee bleed Glad build"
solar vigil
how do you get a 30 qual axe
solar vigil
"Melee patch and Glad got buff let's play a melee bleed Glad build"
yeah probs lol
pine wedge
how do you get a 30 qual axe
Now? Think it's drop only. Or heist base.
pine wedge
No idea
solar vigil
perfect fossils?
pine wedge
Those are changed
Check the notes the first couple points in the "Item Changes" section are what you want
Turns out heist bases don't have the raise quality cap
And looks like the only way for 30 quality is
Non-Gem items that generate with a Random Quality can now generate up to 30% Quality.
pine wedge
Doesn't say
solar vigil
i think its just any
pine wedge
Yep, that's my read
It does mean that if you get a 30 qual roll on a good base you probably can sell it for a decent chunk of change
steady saddle
me right now, enjoying the melee daydreams
solar vigil
mmmm idk
i feel like melee is still gonna be pretty good?
or is the consensus that its still worse than spell or ranged even after buffs?
like i saw people saying lacerate doesn't really have much damage
grizzled hamlet
or is the consensus that its still worse than spell or ranged even after buffs?
the reality of it is, spells and ranged have the safety of being at range and usually easier access to AoE clear
like, theres only so much you can do, but most skills wont beat a really well built bow character
hollow geyser
Lacerate at full blast is basically a ranged skill compared to stuff like double strike
steady saddle
the meme doesn't have any convictions behind it, I just think it's fun to expect a good time in melee because optimism rules
I'm going to experiment with it and try and have fun with it, regardless of OPness
pine wedge
I'm watching a speedrunner do the campaign to brush up on it and I'm going insane looking at this rn
grizzled hamlet
at the top end, youre competing with stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtU5mT1B0I0
steady saddle
I think I was told not to do melee to begin with as a newbie because:
- spells scale on levels so its easier to just pick one and go
- ranged is hard to do without good farming and crafting chops
- melee gearing in acts for campaign is a pain
grizzled hamlet
from the numbers melee is def in a better spot in 3.25
although, melee does have one place where it shines
numberwang
you can do some silly dps numbers with armor stackers and those are usually "melee"
as long as you consider lightning strike melee
steady saddle
that's numberwang!
grizzled hamlet
one brain cell
pine wedge
tbf, this is "this build is super popular so I'll do this for those that want to stick with it" guide not a "This is my league starter" guide
prime spruce
An in depth view into tinctures and warden https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1e9ea0i/warden_with_tinctures_and_you_could_they_be_worth/
Seems they'll likely be quite decent, though we'll need to see how common they are and what kind of mods you can roll
pine wedge
yay piano flasks are back 😐
The numbers seem there, but that's still heavy investment and again the QoL is ass unless the bench is going to have some new crafts
prime spruce
At least if you go 2 tinctures automating your other flasks will be quite easy
But yeah, still a lot of unknowns (and there's gonna be unique tinctures too)
pine wedge
Yeah, unique tinctures could blow this wide open
As would sneaking in a Replica Mageblood or something
prime spruce
Either way it seems like they aren't worth it for non-wardens as it currently stands
pine wedge
Or at least outside specific niches which will have to be explored once we get more data i.e. is there a stack limit?
pine wedge
For anyone that is starting to feel the RSI in your hands/your reactions aren't what they used to be
your league starter is here
grizzled hamlet
average damage of one hit
steady saddle
by a factor of 3
grizzled hamlet
mcm?
pine wedge
Mana Cost Multiplier
steady saddle
it's connected to lifetap
omg, I goofed
thank you!
300% reservation multiplier
YIKES
steady saddle
how do you add a custom modifier for 50% more armor?
I can't figure out the wording that's required
ashen lotus
So uhh, I played Path of Exile once a long while back but I'd like to get back into it with the new Everything coming out apparently
Is there anything I should roughly be aware of with the new update?
Last time I played Templar, but I'm wondering which characters can be built for range instead
rustic grotto
There's usually a popular ranger league starter every league
ashen lotus
Ranger league what?
Also, I've been considering the hybrid classes more because I just think them more interesting
rustic grotto
Path of Exile runs in seasons (leagues) where you start fresh and get all the season mechanics. When the league ends, your character is migrated to standard, and a new league starts and you do it all again.
League starter builds are for when you are starting from nothing, as some builds assume you have like, a currency stash
ashen lotus
Ahh
Uhhhhh
I'll probably start from scratch as the last character I made was uhh
Six years ago I think
I don't even know what a 'build' looks like honestly
frigid kernel
I don't even know what a 'build' looks like honestly
How do you want your character to kill monsters?
solar vigil
I think that the general consensus is that gladiator still isnt super good, like B or B- tier. So maybe take these lacerate guides with a grain of salt? Idk
TLDR: Gladiator has individually powerful nodes, but they don’t add up to a cohesive whole.
ashen lotus
How do you want your character to kill monsters?
Uhhh
I'm not actually sure what my options are
frigid kernel
Uhhh
I'm not actually sure what my options are
Almost anything you say could be a viable build
ashen lotus
Right
Because what I thought of doing is turning either the Duelist or the Shadow into a bow character
Since bows scale off of Dex but the Ranger isn't quite my vibe
solar vigil
Explosive arrow champion is right there but that isn’t self cast
Do you want to be doing the shooting yourself?
grizzled hamlet
Uhhhhh
I'll probably start from scratch as the last character I made was uhh
Six...
I suggest following a zizarian guide, they're really good and detailed for new players!
And after 6 years, it's basically a new game lol
pine wedge
It's fine
It's not longer amazing, but it's still a solid starter and has tons of info out there for how it works
Also, this guide is going to have a maxroll writte guide and those are super nice.
solar vigil
Yeah
pine wedge
So we don't even have to tell you to go get Path of Building lol
solar vigil
One thing is that the maxroll page has a lot of ads, and some autoplay with audio
(But you should get pob anyways)
ashen lotus
Do you want to be doing the shooting yourself?
I prefer not doing minion builds if possible
Since they tend to be all-or-nothing
solar vigil
So, the typical explosive arrow build uses ballista support, meaning that it puts down turrets that shoot the arrows
Not exactly a minion build, but not self cast either
ashen lotus
Uhhh
What's a self cast?
solar vigil
Yes
It’s a fun build and super comf, I just played it last league, but I get wanting to do self cast
pine wedge
Sadly most build guides for bow builds are for Deadeye because, well, Deadeye is BS.
ashen lotus
I mean that makes sense, and I might just do that
solar vigil
A lot of stuff is up in the air rn, some major changes are gonna happen
pine wedge
Melee patch!
ashen lotus
Oh yeah, what's up with that
Was melee bad before?
solar vigil
I mean that makes sense, and I might just do that
Yeah, if you wanna do self cast bow like… Deadeye is The Bow Ascendancy
pine wedge
For the first time in years melee got a major rework and buff.
And people are being totally normal
ashen lotus
Yeah, if you wanna do self cast bow like… Deadeye is The Bow Ascendancy
Got it, because I'm used to minion builds in aRPGs being just
Left click to the end of the map and win
solar vigil
Also, PLEASE follow a build guide your first time through
ashen lotus
Where can I find those?
solar vigil
Everywhere
pine wedge
I posted one.
ashen lotus
Okay, and where do I find out if the guide isn't hideously out of date
pine wedge
If you want to do a YouTube guide you'll need Path of Building.
solar vigil
Although guides for the current patch aren’t out yet on maxroll
pine wedge
Okay, and where do I find out if the guide isn't hideously out of date
Was it made in the last week y/n?
ashen lotus
Uhhhhhh
It sounds like I should wait a bit then
solar vigil
Yeah
solar vigil
League starts the 26th and like…. There’s some stuff in the league that will affect builds a lot that we don’t know much about
pine wedge
It's how the community generally does guides
pine wedge
Got it, because I'm used to minion builds in aRPGs being just
Left click to the ...
If you want this gameplay without minions might I suggest Righteous Fire?
https://youtu.be/9GOTQK3jkD0?si=G5VtKM7RTHoDN6Gi
Pohx has an obscene level of documentation for this build
solar vigil
Is lightning arrow/ice shot still real?
pine wedge
Probably? Ele Hit of the Spectrum might have usurp them
solar vigil
I see
pine wedge
I'll keep my eye out tho for an LA build
Or similar that doesn't require lab farming
Because a new player doesn't deserve that hell
solar vigil
But elemental hit of the spectrum is probs your best bet for self cast bow if you’re fine with deadeye? But yeah I wouldn’t tell someone to go into Lab Hell their first time
And that build may end up being warden instead
But yeah still ranger
IMO the guides on maxroll will be your best bet, since those guides give you what skills to add when during campaign, and a nice ordered list of what to upgrade once you’re done with the campaign
Even with a maxroll guide, you wanna use the pob in conjunction with it
But a guide being on maxroll means you have that whole extra resource
grizzled hamlet
maxroll are a good source yeah
ashen lotus
Got it, I'll look there
solar vigil
Those guides are gonna be out of date for a bit fyi
pine wedge
Yeah, give them another day or two
prime spruce
Might try playing around with a ngamahus flame cyclone warden
The axe got buffed in 3.25 (molten burst is now 170% effectiveness, up from 115%)
Slayer shockwave cyclone is probably better tho, and has an easier time defensively
steady saddle
is strength stacking something to shoot for in the mid game? been looking at last league and 14% of juggernauts running VFOS were str stack
it looks like the costliest piece is replica alberons, at 20div for peak
pine wedge
IIRC strength stacking got smacked this patch?
Let me check
Sorry, I think it was something else that needed to change
Strength stacking should be a fine pivot
Just remember that the Replica Alberons is required
Because as I understand it it's how you stack in the first place
steady saddle
yeah, the entry point is 20 div minimum
I would probably only switch after I could get the infinity stones: iron fortress, replica alberons, brutus lead, redblade banner
trying to figure out how VFOS becomes late-game build, and it seems like everyone does strength, and skips crit
this is probably all a pipe dream, like week 8-10. I'll just be happy to clear 4 watchstones any otherway than going str-stack or crit
grizzled hamlet
stat stacking is usually an endgame pricy endeavour yeah
theres some builds that can do it easily, but most are pricy
pine wedge
Yeah, it's good to have an "end game" build in mind imo
It's a goal to work towards. This league, for example, I'm looking at wardlooping again.
Ward is back and that build is just so much fun.
solar vigil
i dont think lacerate is like, bait but i feel like there's probs better alternatives for how much press its getting
the build doesnt really seem to be solved yet
rustic grotto
I'm still holding out for an interesting Scion build
steady saddle
life stacking arc ignite scion 👀
this is a mathil build I saw while scrolling through his list
nevermind, it needs a TWWT
prime spruce
yeah crushing fist is crazy lmao
steady saddle
hug of death?
solar vigil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011186842709803039/1265417912169009162/i...
thats
thats a big number
steady saddle
it's a retaliation, I think there's a passive that lets you reuse the skill at least one more time
pine wedge
You can get 70% chance to reuse with Gladiator plus anoint
And Retaliation CDR is easy to find
steady saddle
I can't access the patch notes due to downtime 😔
pine wedge
you can get 54% Retaliation CDR
You can also get 35% chance for a different Retaliation skill to become usable on use
prime spruce
I really wanna see if people are able to make retaliation loops, seems like it would be a fun build
pine wedge
Right now seems extremely RNG dependent, but honestly could be fun.
Something like the above for Rares/bosses and then something else for clear
and alternate as needed
pine wedge
Self damage can't proc on block or on hit stuff
If it can proc these gems expect a swift patch
This wording is very clear
"Hit from Enemies"
solar vigil
You can get 70% chance to reuse with Gladiator plus anoint
i think we just found the full picture with gladiator...
solar vigil
Seems like the bleed melees are getting outclassed by just direct damage stuff, but now with the retaliation skills out that might change?
Idk
In all likelyhood I’m going for some type of slam?
Just whatever crops up on maxroll really
prime spruce
I think i remember reading that retaliation skills do like 60% less damage for ailments like bleed and ignite
solar vigil
I think i remember reading that retaliation skills do like 60% less damage for a...
what i meant is that now we see glad's full fucntionality
if it has stuff that buffs retaliations