Undertale and Deltarune

[serene loom]

ive been assuming that the Knight is empowered by the same """deep darkness""" that the Titans come from

[rain lotus]

considering all the kris parallels i wouldn't be surprised if she had um. A lot of Problems (she hit kids with wiffle bats!!!)

you get along best with people that are at least as fucked up as you

[sharp lodge]

I get where you're coming from but wiffle bats are hollow

[rain lotus]

i had a wiffle bat

i hit myself with it mostly

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFdJI6SHKSk

cute video

a little deranged,

but well edited! and theres some interesting observations

I don't think I buy ||that yellow text acts as an in-universe diagetic thing, or that it particularly relates to Kris specifically||, but this is probably the most comprehensive look at it either way

I had no idea the stack of chairs in Toriel's classroom has been growing every chapter. How do you even notice that.

[rain barn]

clearly the stack of chairs is the chapter 6 secret boss

[restive comet]

I did and laugh every time I see it in the next chapters

[ripe harbor]

https://deltarune.com/chair/

I mean....

[rain barn]

one must be careful when seeking the throne of the gods, lest ye fall into the abyss

[ripe harbor]

piles of friendlings

[restive comet]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-kitty-kat-kitten-gif-17409223616868741460

[ripe harbor]

the yellow text video briefly alludes to the friend / pink & yellow stuff at the very end before saying its best to wait another chapter before locking anything in

[restive comet]

I do appreciate people acknowledging that their theories subject to be confirmed, denied or changed rather than trying to claim gospel and be dogmatically opposed to counter-evidence

Knew one idiot who intentionally started batshit theories just because he wanted to feel like he knew something that nobody else did

[rain lotus]

i make increasingly illegible theories specifically so i can be proven wrong and feel really good at 1 part of 100 was right

[restive comet]

Jorkington, Jockington's evil twin is the Shadow Mantle holder

[rain lotus]

blob is dinosaur is people

[restive comet]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[rain lotus]

like i don't: even know what i was saying here

[restive comet]

https://tenor.com/view/skinenr-gif-20761908

[restive comet]

Also me doing the SWORD Route

[rain lotus]

BREAKS MY GODDAMN HEART

[ripe harbor]

this is why I don't put much stock in a lot of what people say about lmao

maybe its eyes are those colors for a sort of tangential link to "Wealth" and "Love".... and maybe not. Its very speculative.

[rain lotus]

tricky tony on his way to just shoot me next chapter so i can possibly hurt more than 3 and 4 already did

[ripe harbor]

I've been thinking about Sword Route a bit

and how it might actually be a lot more important what happens at the end than I've seen talked about

[restive comet]

Btw, that dialogue from Asriel in UT makes me wonder, if The Roaring Knight is in fact a soul fusion of Kris's original soul in Dess's body, does that mean Kris is The Knight by definition if they're the one in her driver's seat?

[ripe harbor]

the soul gets loaded into the game, but it only becomes 'real' enough to interact with by the end, after your determination is brought to the top

(or whatever red eyes are representative of)

[rain lotus]

i was banging around similar thoughts in my mind re chara and goth asriel

[ripe harbor]

its like Connection + Struggle = Something made real

[ripe harbor]

I dont get the Asriel parts here 😭

[rain lotus]

some vague idea that the blob is expository (i also found the parallels on narratives of "saving" something or other, like how asriel knows he can't be saved and ralsei knows he can't save the others, and for asriel under the concept art specifically it's him coming to terms with his actions)

records the fate

[ripe harbor]

these parts def are important thematically

is Asriel a blob?

damn bro..... lay off the ButtS. Pies......

[restive comet]

That also make Kris the soul a separate character than Kris in the flesh now, doesn't it?

[ripe harbor]

🤷

proooooobably?

'Kris the Soul' seems to be. us.

[restive comet]

I had this one idea for a story several years ago of two carbon copy clones becoming separate people once they have different experiences from one another

[ripe harbor]

oh you mean their OG soul, if they had one & gave it to Dess-as-the-knight

It'd be interesting because it would make Kris' personhood much more similar to Darkners than every other Lightner (presumably)

where they don't have a Soul, but they have a Self

[strange cloud]

Also Chatroom, I’m curious about your thoughts on something:

Kris as the Deltarune version of Frisk or Chara?

Like how Toriel is the Deltarune version of Toriel

[rain lotus]

i make a lot of chara comparisons

[ripe harbor]

Neither and both, imo

When Kris is being evil thats the Chara

[rain lotus]

i found its hard 2 compare frisk with anything because we knew so little abt them as a person (at least in comparison to chara and asriel) but my vague idea is that their determination to face and shape the fate presented to them is susielike in its way

[strange cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-4-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-4-roaring-knight-true-gifs-gif-10457574261792655678

Also, I’m personally riding on the “Kris is Frisk” train after seeing applegirlington’s video on it

It’s a train I’m willing to leave but it’s a train I’m on for now

[sour mesa]

Chara is deltarune Frisk actually

[strange cloud]

That’s true

[ripe harbor]

they're definitely not not kinda like Chara

[sour mesa]

Kris is undertale Frisk

[strange cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[ripe harbor]

Friend is Deltarune Chara <- just saying shit

[strange cloud]

Didn’t read, fire reacted anyway

[ripe harbor]

how edgy 8 year olds look when a real demon comes when you call its name

[strange cloud]

Lore pit is hell but we should important fire reacting random messages into this server

[ripe harbor]

I havent checked there in a while any banger new takes. or is it just the wretched abyss

[strange cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/ahhh-gif-3542289211826081363

Abyssal

Deepest pit of the earth

Light cannot escape

[rain lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BR7-AzE2dQ

adding "deep pits" to my theme board

[rain lotus]

throne of the gods shadowcrystal...

[restive comet]

When does this come up???

[ripe harbor]

its real

[rain lotus]

well i found it on a meme post about chariel...

[ripe harbor]

????

Half the other fortunes relate to puzzles and hints and secrets

the other half are jokes

this one idk

incomprehensible

[rain lotus]

mfw toriel's chair is missing at the start of chapter 5 and no one mentions it and then you hear the freedom motif + fallen down in asriel's flower hell or whatever

asgore

sorry my brain is like oozing out of my ears

[ripe harbor]

heres all the fortunes, I think

literally no idea what the chair is referring to

[rain lotus]

LMAO

[ripe harbor]

joke
joke
egg room
egg room
joke
foreshadowing
??????
egg room
T-Rank + Z-rank
SWORD
Gaster bullshit prolly / Art therapy egg room
egg room
Gacha secret

what CHAIR

[rain lotus]

https://youtu.be/OXtBihb1pfQ real leak

[ripe harbor]

is there a chair in chapters 3+4 I'm missing

is friendchair unironically true.

is- is it going to kick my ass

[restive comet]

https://tenor.com/view/killer-queen-go-back-fuck-go-back-bite-the-dust-bite-za-dusto-gif-13939608

Kris at the last one

[ripe harbor]

Mfw Stool Form was foreshadowing the entire time and ralsei has to lock in for a solo chair v. chair battle

[rain lotus]

self actualization via chair duel

[ripe harbor]

actually speaking of cryptic cat foreshadowing

I still think this one is worth a 🔍

"ripping out a misaligned stich if you're too far along to simply pull the threads out"

[sour mesa]

shawm ripper

[ripe harbor]

putting things back the way they're supposed to be if something's snaggled the pattern

if the needlework got a little Weird

[ripe harbor]

you know dess thought she was soooooooo funny for the Seam / Shawm joke

"why would it be dess" have you seen how the Dreemurrs name things.

[sour mesa]

lol

[rain lotus]

sgoriel....

[rain lotus]

asriel floating something like "asember" and dess says "do you take constructive criticism"

[timber widget]

• The throne of the gods grows higher... Is this hubris?

[strange cloud]

I love how every Rudy knight video is just several minutes of going over the evidence for Dess knight, and then saying, “But what if it wasn’t though?”

Beast mode theory crafting

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-papyrus-knight-papyrus-the-knight-roaring-knight-gif-14189952234415394392

[low surge]

Same with Neo Woody Theory

[strange cloud]

Always bet on Papyrus knight

[strange cloud]

At this point if neo woody theory is true

I just gotta hand it to the believers

I won’t be angry, I’ll accept the loss

[low surge]

Same

I think it’s maybe got a bit more teeth with Asgore’s dark world

But I’m not investing in it, I think that ships sailed

[strange cloud]

I just think there are more interesting ideas for secret bosses then another discarded darkner

Because like, assuming we get a Ralsei solo fight like we did with Kris and Susie

There’s cooler stuff to do with him

[low surge]

Oh absolutely

[strange cloud]

Like yah he does have his fears of being useless but like, we already saw him be confronted with a “useless” darkner in chapter 3, Tenna

And obviously that didn’t end well for Ralsei, kinda showed how deep he is in that mindset

But I think it’d be better if he’s confronted with that in a different way

[low surge]

I think the idea of a discarded rerun vhs of a cowboy show can fit better into what is likely going to be a heavily nostalgia oriented dark world, but I think there’s just so many better options and opportunities

I’m really hoping for a solo Ralsei fight

[strange cloud]

Yah, I do definitely think it’s possible the cowboy show will show up

I just don’t think it’ll be the secret boss

[rain lotus]

cowboy secret boss
"thank you... for showing me the true friend inside of me..."

you got the FriendHat!

"Holy fuck. It's just like the Bible said"

[ripe harbor]

ngl

I never liked the woody theory because

'discarded puppet with a cut up, choppy voice' we just did that. We JUST had that one.

and another wouldn't hold a candle to #THEGOAT

[low surge]

Truth

[ripe harbor]

I really like whatever the Sword route was doing instead

as a treat

you thought there was a pattern? SIKE we doing gamer creepypasta now

[ripe harbor]

One of my good friends is a huge rudyknight proponent (even though they admit Dess is probably more likely)

Rudy is definitely odd. He's probably related to all the conspiracy stuff in some way- his best friend & wife are already deeply involved before he got his mystery illness earlier this week.

[sour mesa]

i'd love another sidetrack route like sword

[serene loom]

rudy also keeps alluding to future events, too

[strange cloud]

Also yah, any “discarded darkner” idea has to compete with Spamton and like

They can’t do it better then he did

They just can’t

[sinful crag]

||https://youtu.be/o59YLU2baz0|| ch4 secret boss spoilers but, very very sick video

[strange cloud]

Oh you don’t have to spoil stuff anymore

This is a spoiler zone now

[crimson badger]

not only compete with Spamton but also Tenna (and Tenna + Spamton), it's a very thoroughly explored idea I feel

[strange cloud]

Yah

Honestly, I’m still hoping for vs a lightner for ralsei’s secret boss

Have him directly fight the people he sees as above him

[sinful crag]

im just staying in the habit of using spoilers cuz i talk in other places but good to know

[strange cloud]

[crimson badger]

if ralsei has a solo boss whatever he gets would feel juicy I think

but vs a lightner feels really juicy even if some very specific pieces would have to fall into place I think

[sour mesa]

i don't think ralsei is as likely to get a solo boss

Susie got one but we've been managing susie solo scenes for a bit

[strange cloud]

I mean so far Kris and Susie have both gotten one

I think Eram is a Kris solo fight

[sour mesa]

There's no precedent for Ralsei solo scenes

[crimson badger]

we have already had egg on our faces due to trying to find patterns in what's noise for now, but gerson's fight felt (and gerson in general) felt huge for susie, and I think we're all expecting something for ralsei's arc since that's also been coming to a head now

plus whatever's the deal with fireshock and getting more encounters you can't ACT around

[strange cloud]

Also yah that’s kinda the main thing, Eram was huge for Kris’s characterization and Gerson was huge for Susie’s arc

Ralsei is going to get some focus next chapter just because so far he’s had the least

And what we have gotten is mostly set up for his future arc

[crimson badger]

my boy's Not Ok

[strange cloud]

He’s so not ok he’s convinced a significant chunk of the fandom that he’s ok

[crimson badger]

Good. Keep Smiling

[low surge]

If you select that option the game should make your computer explode and kill you

[crimson badger]

Kris walks out the side of the monitor to beat your ass

[rose swallow]

Toby Fox: I'm working as hard as I can to get the game finished as quickly as possible, see?

> Good. Keep working.
It's okay if the game takes a while to complete.

[velvet olive]

but isn't that just as much an argument to beak tradition?

break tradition* fuck...

berdly gazes down..

[strange cloud]

Everyman is the actual Toby troll character made to do nothing but make lore nerds seem crazy

[crimson badger]

Everyman was just Toby's Kilroy and we were all fools

[restive comet]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-berdly-buenos-días-gif-3791738663354808531

[ripe harbor]

I think the general theme is still there, but it looks like more of a mainplot element than a sideplot thing

7 chapters of thrown away objects, maybe not

but people without a place in the world? Lost dreams and things forgotten?

definitely still relevant

[ripe harbor]

in the IDEAL WORLD we'd have at least a dozen Everyfriend ship art pieces on my desk by sundown

but instead #hatewins.... so sad

[strange cloud]

classic homophobic deltarune fandom

[ripe harbor]

real everyman fans know he shows up FIVE times smh

I think

twice in cybercity attacks, once in Undertale, Jevil's attack

[strange cloud]

Holy shit

[ripe harbor]

and of course

[strange cloud]

everyman is more important then gaster

its true

[ripe harbor]

( 🎶 - Battle against an Every Man )

its like this

Everyman - Just a good guy who shows up on occasion.
- yuuuuuup. Thats Satan. & it's everywhere always.

[rain lotus]

A finger on the monkey's paw curls. The lightner:

https://tenor.com/view/kris-deltarune-delta-rune-undertale-wiggle-gif-18442818818075339440

technically something snowgrave would count as a secret fight

[amber jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888687122716975124/1410457903428796496/UNDERTALE.mp4?ex=68b116c9&is=68afc549&hm=cb5ce8ad7c8a1add0f1ff29e6e8bd530d0646f641a90fe494009c2dca2c6c7e2&

[ripe harbor]

I saw someone try to argue the opposite once, that Sneo being mandatory in the weird route means he isn't a 'secret' boss

lol

[rain lotus]

god it felt like a secret boss

i think i lost hair fighting him

my partner thinks i'm crazy because knight was easier for me than weirdton

[timber widget]

I have yet to beat weird neo, but then again I got through the Knight relatively painlessly and haven't tried the former for a while, so maybe

[rain lotus]

like 2 out of like 5 knight attacks are just sans but spamton is a whole Thing

there's a point where you're looking @ 3 things at once + this time u cant tank it

[low surge]

Yeah not having Susie and Ralsei must make it way harder since there’s fewer attacks to can tank, and you don’t have access to any healing spells or your most powerful attacks

[rain lotus]

roughly same length fight (you'd think it'd be longer but kris gets jacked with x-slash)

its MISERABLE and then said partner flexes on me by beating him in two tries with worse gear and i cried

[rain lotus]

Although I beat him during my most recent bout of tummy illness and was actively sick to the point I think of spamton and think of the trash bin so it could have been nature skill issuing me too

[low surge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CNtaJIrKQ

So was anyone gonna mention the room @ 8:09 with the fucking tail from hell or was I just supposed to learn about this on my own?

[restive comet]

https://youtu.be/DH-_Jd4eeBk?si=v2G705Sm9dry1ipC

[restive comet]

I don't think it's supposed to be The Tail of Hell

[low surge]

I assume it’s some sort of animation test for it

Not like the actual tail itself of course

[strange cloud]

Yah like, I can’t imagine that was ever planned to be in game

It’s probably a test room for something that was cut

[ripe harbor]

(from @newtchatel)

[ripe harbor]

oh wow thats- huh

Darkness in general is bubbles

its very consistent on that

so even if its not some Tail of Hell bullshit (whatever that even means)
its definitely some Dark bullshit

the SCARY orbs

there hasn't been too much light, but I guess its generally pretty sharp? Lots of rectangles and straight lines

so even if the Tail of Hell doesn't belong to a specific entity, you can probably read it as following 'the Darkness' itself

[serene loom]

Primordial Shape (smooth) vs. Primordial Shape (sharp)

[ripe harbor]

its ass is crawling

hell when this laser is finished

it turns back into a line of balls

[crimson badger]

smoke, petroleum, water, and now cat petterz, the dark truly is Wonderful

[ripe harbor]

don't forget 'information transmission'

lots of static and radio-interference

[inland hare]

How long

Have we been underwater

[ripe harbor]

A lot of people, imo

take the Friend cat petterz stuff too literally

[clear frost]

into the black again
after the light is gone
once in a lifetime
water flowing underground

[ripe harbor]

its possible it wasn't born from a video game, but that cat petterz in those blogs is working as a general allusion to the dark

"An egg that didn't know what to hatch into"

[crimson badger]

(making a connection to that one hypothesis to explain black hole thermodynamics as having a hologram on its surface of the matter it's absorbed)

[ripe harbor]

is that not kind of the space Darkners and Titanspawn are in?

[crimson badger]

possibly,
an indistinct of Everything and Anything that has ever touched or been touched by

[ripe harbor]

"combines the animation and visual data of two parents" to make a "freak of nature"

hmm.....

[crimson badger]

ominous allusions

[ripe harbor]

just watch out for when the circles start to multiply too much

because if you can't stop it, it'll crash and delete everything

[crimson badger]

and then you'd have to explain to mr G why that whole savefile had to go kaput

[ripe harbor]

if only there was a sort of character

who the events of the story was set up around trying to 'get'

where you have to do a lot of 'Making' and throwing away(?) along the way

too much possibility, it won't hatch

but she couldn't scrap it either- it couldn't be thrown away

[ripe harbor]

the actual one that made me crazy after I played 3 and 4 and reread the sweepstakes

"yeah one time I ran into in this funny game XD. Kris would probably recognize them I think but they don't talk about it at all XP ugh..."

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[crimson badger]

I've felt my brain deltarotting and starting to tread paths beyond logic and evidence and a lot of halfthoughts trying to connect things (chairs as FRIEND > pile of chairs > FRIENDlings joke > FRIEND spawn > FRIEND is a pseudotitan/artificial titan from the original dark world experiments)
having said that, of course she's got the gaster motif if she just gets haunted into an analogue for the roaring, savefile manipulation and vessels

[ripe harbor]

I think Friend could be something like scrap information from the dark

Maybe something remains after you seal the fountains, or little bits and pieces here and there from a Dark World existing at all

maybe it all just kinda... stays there? And mixes up?

It'd be like

Titans are the proto-dark, before its formed into anything

and is the other end, when the information crunches back up. Leftover 'code' even as its overwritten.

[low surge]

@RoadkillDess

headcanon that sans actually thought asgore’s “eggs-husband” joke was hilarious but he had to stay strong in front of toriel

[ripe harbor]

^ true and canon to me

[ripe harbor]

"Throwing away tons of cats trying to get the perfect character (this caused other problems but I'll explain another time XP)"

[crimson badger]

sans is a fiend for puns

[ripe harbor]

maybe once you're born you can't really be unborn as easy

nothing -> something is easier than the reverse

You don't get unmade, you get 'Lost'

[crimson badger]

something has to remain I feel, with how recruited darkners maintain continuity within the pure fountain's reach, contrasting against created dark worlds which are first filtered through a specific lightner's Will and intent and that are subject to change even when attempting to recreate it

[ripe harbor]

this might also apply to the metatext if

Gaster is 'recreating' the story again and again and again

multiple save slots

tracing the same image over and over with slight differences until it's 'just right'

(this caused other problems)

[crimson badger]

(I do feel like there's shenanigans with the SOUL and that it might be getting 'fed' when sealing a fountain for whatever the prophecy's (or even conspiracy's) endgame turns out to be, but the only thread I see from that would imply the SOUL would be a resource that's Used Up?)

[ripe harbor]

thats another reason I'm liking the static imagery as an explanation

[crimson badger]

gaster connects with thousands of players to brute force a perfect DELTARUNE

[ripe harbor]

maybe creating a fountain is just 'tuning' the Dark World

the information is already there, you just need to find the channel that lets you hear what you want to hear

and you do that with Will and Aura

[crimson badger]

you know you're doing it right when particle and sound effects precede your action

and acts as an indicator to avoid the unfathomable aura loss of just stabbing the floor trying to do something cool if nothing happens

[ripe harbor]

this would also explain (if shes the knight) how Dess is 'Lost'

besides being mentally wayward ig

shes not in-tune. Something is coming through, but the noise isn't forming a song.

They're trying to pull the dess-info out of the sea

[crimson badger]

(this is partially related to a webseries I got on my recs doing the HELP_TALE AU through a discarded vessel, but), what if this repetition would apply or affect us at a later date, just a third act roaring sitch where either people are getting Lost and becoming a mixture of some of their characteristics exxagerated to the max with primordial Proto Dark, or just, you meet up with Susie after being separated, but she's not your Susie

[ripe harbor]

TWO SUSIES!!!

🎉 🥳 🥂 🎊

[crimson badger]

the prophecy's palpable fear when the second dragon rolls in

and lancer just having the time of his life

[ripe harbor]

weird relationship with the Soul, Save Points, and the Fountains / Titans yeah

esp the Pure Fountain

I don't think I can make any stronger claims than something wierd going on there

maybe theres something to the Mantle game only becoming 'real' after you lock the fuck in with Burning Eyes?

forming a connection with something gives it more existence, until you can touch it?

the soul as a symbol of (our?) "Connection"?

Sealing might be similar to healing - the titans are wounded, and Ralsei (pro-sealing fountains) is also trying to break the prophecy through 'healing'

The Jackenstein fight foreshadows the Titan in a couple ways, including that you need to go past the shell

[crimson badger]

if things are not erased but Discarded or Lost, what's stopping the idea from extending to Deltarune itself, if Gaster was shattered across time and space while (possibly) falling into the Dark, if we are likely somewhere deep when connection is initially made in the GONERMAKER, wouldn't that mean that every save made, loaded, every copy, every erasure, carries more weight than the destruction of a world? one that will return for us?

[ripe harbor]

it could be even more direct, you need to heal whats under the shell

[ripe harbor]

Don't worry about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMfro9XfU1w

its probably nothing

[crimson badger]

:)

[ripe harbor]

I bet

if you remove things from the world, it can just go on without them, as if they never were

and nothing ever remains. It's a clean cut.

[crimson badger]

just don't touch the Fun values and it'll all be fine
and don't get that egg

[ripe harbor]

what egg?

theres nothing there

[crimson badger]

ooooh, would be interesting if it goes direct then, seeing how there's the direct theme of your relationship to fiction and characters within it no less important to you as someone who Exists in Reality

[ripe harbor]

& it definitely doesn't want to come back for you

[serene loom]

HELP_isontheway is pretty well made, yeah

[crimson badger]

I watched a video of the memoryhead fight to get a refresher and I had a double take moment

I need to get a screenshot

[serene loom]

that was supposed to be a reply to what's comment earlier

[crimson badger]

discord ate it sadly

[ripe harbor]

not very FRIENDLY of that DEVICE....

smh

[serene loom]

theres also definitely something about their attack too

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/undertale/images/c/cd/Memoryhead_attack.gif

[crimson badger]

oh its a formula, foiled again

saw AT 12 DF 25 on this random video that predates deltarune stuff by a long shot and I was losing it

[ripe harbor]

that would've been wild if true

worth checking

the laughter used for & The Knight is also multiple voices overlapping, if thats anything

given Amalagamates are literally that

[crimson badger]

ok now the tricky tony half brain wants to look at the equipment list to see if that would apply to a True Pacifist run (assuming you equip no weapons, and are with the latest armor)
most likely: Stick (no extra attack, toy knife gives +3 which is too much already) and Heart Locket (+15 DF, best armor for non geno unless you do the temmie stuff)

huh

[crimson badger]

yeah this makes me up the stocks on the junk data/incomplete darkness|potential definition

[ripe harbor]

toby who probably didn't but maybe did think of that

[crimson badger]

yeah, it's the biggest false positive that might be foreshadowing I've been hit with

yet

[ripe harbor]

oooooh shit

obj_sneo_sine_hand

wave-transmission darkness stocks rising

I didn't know this unused stuff was explicitly named after a sine wave 👀

higher points causes waves to appear on the side

'Airwaves' as the name of the track
appears if you get a high enough score

anyone else hear that ominous bell tolling

[inland hare]

Well is darkness particle bubbles or is it a wave cause it surely can’t be both

[ripe harbor]

uhhhhhh

the sea and cosmos are one Ocean is made of Noise?

[strange cloud]

Darkness is just gamma from marvel

It’s a wave, it’s a particle, and it’s energy from super hell

[ripe harbor]

tbf if theres anything I'd expect to have some wave-particle duality

it would probably be "Anti-Photons"

[serene loom]

PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE

[ripe harbor]

like uhhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iWx2T8mm_o

Spamton's shop sprites

the dark-static effect flows back and forth like water

its static and its water?

"Bit Roots" is a bitcrushed glitchy game song, that fades out into crackly ocean waves

(and the actual ice palace itself has its floor covered in 'water')

like the titan spawn are the balls(?) and they also are static-y

thats not even getting into the Knight's damage sprite

bro is losing coherency

and the noise is clearly static breakup

https://youtu.be/x7A00ahhpqc?si=AW58UwN0IlIzuYaC&t=437

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM4dRZ_4QNs

I saw an animation that really leaned into that for the Knight

its peak

having their intro replace the artstyle with a grainy film overlay

[ripe harbor]

Darkness is definitely water!
Darkness is definitely static!
Darkness is definitely (-)Light!
Darkness is definitely....?

[strange cloud]

Friend’s true form

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-kris-susie-dunk-titan-gif-7410975432014122835

[serene loom]

what do we think the odds that someone in Ch5 will refer to Susie's Idea as a Chaos Dunk

[crimson badger]

oh no
Susie will stop The Roaring, by causing a larger, but unrelated calamity that changes the fate of basketball forever.

[rain lotus]

jevilstail easter egg

like the spamton text with the dealmaker check on tenna

it could happen...

[low surge]

jevil plot relavence never ever

[sour mesa]

https://bsky.app/profile/yinkybaginky.bsky.social/post/3lwhytpjtys2o

💿Lamb/Judy🔜PAX WEST (@yinkybaginky.bsky.social)

tog psycho 100

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[low surge]

honestly kind of a perfect dynamic for those two

[ripe harbor]

yeah it really matches their canon relationship

[amber jolt]

what canon relationship
togore doesn't exist 😭

[ripe harbor]

though I'm hoping they have a bigger role in Chapter 5, with Asgore as the main boss. I get that Noelle and Susie needed to be the focus on the Holiday house, but did Chester really have to spend the entire chapter in his room prepping for the Festival?

[ripe harbor]

doesn't deny Chester

what do you know.....

[amber jolt]

WHO'S CHESTER 😭

wait is that Dess post transitioning

[clear frost]

SHUT UP ABOUT CHESTER I HATE IT

IT'S GENUINELY JUST BAD.

[ripe harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/tenna-mr-tenna-deltarune-oh-ok-tenna-shocked-gif-6395795751950453175

[clear frost]

sorry, it's just a genuinely aggravating joke theory for me. i'm pretty tired so i'm kinda volatile.

sorry for yelling.

[ripe harbor]

its ok I forgive you. peace and love on pnet

[clear frost]

thank you.

[ripe harbor]

it WOULD actually mess up quite a bit of noelle's characterization if it was real, I think. Its important shes isolated.

esp in her home life

[low surge]

Realistically yeah, I just think the fan characters are silly fun on the side

[restive comet]

Technically, neither does Dess anymore if she really is a Goner

[amber jolt]

ahh I see

[ripe harbor]

why would Chara push Togore into the Core 😦

"Spamton's door in Queen's Mansion, which, by the time of the events of Ch2, has been re-assigned to Catty-"
oh. Yeah, of course he had the cat room, didn't he.

* Yes

* (It's wallpapered with the pink cat ad from the city. It's animated, too.)```

hmmmm.....

its impossible to know who the Mysterious Benefactor was until I open the box

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/wing-gaster-chara-gif-460255226754081608

i love this gif

[timber widget]

The smiling grinner:

[rain lotus]

https://www.tumblr.com/thresherx/792592846829060096/out-of-your-friends-which-are-you-secret-bosses

ThresherX's Playground

Out of Your Friends Which Are You? (Secret Bosses Edition)

Jevil's Model, chapter 3 end, and gerson's room are from sfm workshop Spamton: Decamarks Roaring Knight: @Dotflare3 on Twitter Some textures and dumpster by blenderkit Ralsei and Gerson made by me Software Used: Blender Davinci Resolve

-# #blender #b3d #animation #3d #meme #blender animation #blender3d #art #blender render #deltarune #ralsei #spamton #jevil #jevil deltarune #roaring knight #the roaring knight #the roaring fraud #gerson boom #gerson #deltarune fanart #secret boss #friend inside me #jester #salesman #knight deltarune #knight #shitpost #shorts #animated #3d animation

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[low surge]

It’s incredible the vast diversity of art this community can create

[low surge]

I wouldn’t want it any other way

[ripe harbor]

if you can't handle me at my

you dont deserve me at my

(@hollenix for the artist)

I think Noelle has the funniest version of this

every piece of art of her is either a spongebob trace or The Saddest Thing You've Ever Seen

or ship art I guess

[crimson badger]

or a combination of two of those

[sharp lodge]

https://www.tumblr.com/3000-200-grains-of-salt/789925225371402240/this-is-what-ive-gathered-about-deltarune-based?source=share

salt

this is what ive gathered about deltarune based off of my dash...

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https://www.tumblr.com/fruitsoupeez/791169170754732032/an-asriel-and-kris-comic-i-made-they-are-the?source=share

soupeez ?!

an asriel and kris comic i made (they are the siblings ever)

fun fact this is based off of true events, my little brother pulled this shit and i figured that this scenario would fit them so well

-# #deltarune #kris deltarune #kris dreemurr #asriel dreemurr #asriel deltarune #comic fanart

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zaza consumer

-# #deltarune #susie deltarune #deltarune fanart #fanart

Tumblr · Jul 17, 2025, 10:30 AM

[strange cloud]

@ripe harbor

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-toilet-scene-hank-revealing-gif-18042867

[serene loom]

extremely accurate kris behavior, i can even imagine the Toby writing version of it

You agree to help your brother with the dishes.
You scrape a dirty plate.
You wash a dirty plate.
You scrub a dirty plate.
You clean a dirty plate.
...
It was the same plate...
"Seriously, Kris!?"

[sharp lodge]

https://www.tumblr.com/semiohazard/788397635732144128/package-deal-from-this-draft?source=share

sharp red triangle. and its big

package deal

from this draft:...

Tumblr · Jul 7, 2025, 7:49 AM

[restive comet]

Kris worries me tbh

I don't think they're a bad kid, I just worry for their safety

[crimson badger]

they're certainly having a catastrophically Rough go of it

[ripe harbor]

I'm tellin you its A THING

this enemy is the 'first' copy element one btw

I didn't even know that when I started wondering if Element 6 was Copy/Cat

[strange cloud]

I feel like I’m going insane

[ripe harbor]

"Drawn in gray, a trace - repeated, repeated!"

copies colored in!

taking an image of something, and making that image real

but, uhh.....

* ... though, it would be a lie if I said I understood it!

Its pretty clearly related to the re-interperation of art theme that keeps cropping up

Lord of the Hammer as a 'copy' of the Prophecy

it might be related to the Dark stuff, like the knight, Titan, and Dark Fountains in general? The first two are monochrome, the knight sheds its own outline (a trace?), and idk. Darkners turn grey without a Dark Fountain, which is rainbow colored? The Fountain colors them in?

and then Kris is connected to it through the 3+4 secret egg rooms and a lot of npc dialogue, but.... I don't really know how it would tie into their character struggles (or any of the other main cast)

it could maybe possibly be a thing with the Garbage Noise / Static / Lost Data stuff wrapped up with

but theres not really enough evidence to directly connect those elements, its mostly vibes

[ripe harbor]

besides in maybe a broad "All identity is based on your circumstances and environment, there is no intrinsic 'you'" sorta way

Like when did Ralsei start existing as himself

was it when he came to be, was it when the prophecy started and he started doing his purpose, was it when he started forming his own opinions,

has it even happened yet?

when you know its some chapter 5 bullshit

[strange cloud]

Please 2026

Come faster

[ripe harbor]

I guess I'll just have to listen to this a few times while I wait 🙄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njgcjGojRKk

[strange cloud]

I wanna go into a coma with Toby Fox’s musical library in my ears until chapter 5 comes out

[ripe harbor]

Theres some good remixers out there too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihw-IyO7GQ8

[strange cloud]

Eram my goat

[ripe harbor]

to really get into the Battat mindset last time I was gathering screenshots I had this on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG2NBXAqJAQ

for about 30 minutes

[strange cloud]

Actual Noelle behavior

[ripe harbor]

it really did make it feel more like a conspiracy board

[ripe harbor]

Saw an interesting take on the Titans, that the title for their song ("GUARDIAN") is as much an OFF reference as their spawn being 'purified'

since in OFF, you ||render the different Zones lifeless and pure by slaying their Guardian.||

||As a Dark Fountain, the Titan does generate life around itself 🤔||

worth considering

||Especially since theres a Batter with a weapon that really fucks them up||

[rain lotus]

actually eram isnt a goat, that's ralsei

[ripe harbor]

horns
fire magic
I mean they're basically the same person

[rain lotus]

tricky tony you'd vefd you've done it agaainn

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1n3rtkj/the_hometown_cryptid_club/?ref=share&ref_source=link

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1n3h14u/asgore_has_his_own_kind_of_adventures/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[timber widget]

https://www.tumblr.com/lucarioknight14/793225825237549056

200 Ants In Hell

🔁 mipexch

battat & the thing that keeps him up at night

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[south flume]

https://youtu.be/03jfk8MG0Vk

[rain lotus]

https://youtu.be/W1w_pWTQnwU

if you listen to the beatles backwards you hear gaster

[strange cloud]

The air crackles with eggs of freedom

[low surge]

Oh I really like this, I like Togore having a close relationship with Dess. The Dreemurs are not escaping the doomed Holiday entanglements

[low surge]

Asgore is kind of Harry coded, less pathetic but still it works

[strange cloud]

I feel like Harry is very much like, what could have happened to asgore in a different world

If he handled the divorce with drinking instead of obsessing over showing her what really happened

[low surge]

Definitely

[strange cloud]

Deltalysium AU

[rain lotus]

the eighth human soul: liquor

[crimson badger]

the 7 flowers speaking to him like disco elysium stats

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O20V5eDcKm8

holy peak..?!?

crazy good

[strange cloud]

PEEEEEEEAK

[strange cloud]

Deltarune fans looking at Carol: surely she will be the only unsympathetic villain Toby has ever written

[sour mesa]

King got close

like once he's in jail he's sad but

[strange cloud]

I mean even then he was still sympathetic

He was abandoned by everyone

[rain lotus]

50/50 utterly heinous or plain tragic

[ripe harbor]

he sucks but he's overall pretty sympathetic

like the issue he has (getting left behind) crops up with other characters in a sympathetic light later on

hes one of the few people who calls you out for missing recruits, too

I think Jevil might actually come closer lmao

King Backstory: "Damn wouldn't it suck to be left behind and purposeless, hurting, until you throw yourself into a new purpose as a way of getting revenge"
Jevil Backstory:

[dense cargo]

I mean, Jevil did have the horrible revelations about the nature of reality.

[ripe harbor]

half the antags and 2/3rds of the protags did too 😭

he aint special

if you went back to Castle Town chapter 5 and Seam decided to just start stabbing mfs would they be sympathetic

I mean still kind of, yeah, but-

Jevil really didn't need to do All That

[rain lotus]

https://www.tumblr.com/cayteecat/792291095382999040/they-were-sooo-real-and-correct-for-this

Hey! That's Luigi >:( show him a little respect

they were sooo real and correct for this

-# #seam #deltarune #caytee art #utdr #kris dreemurr #ralsei #susie

Tumblr · Aug 19, 2025, 7:14 AM

[strange cloud]

Thinking about it more, Tenna and King have pretty much the same backstory but Tenna more for specifically the dreemurs and became more desperate then spiteful

[serene loom]

something i realized the other day that probably doesn't mean anything

Spamton G. Spamton and Ant Tenna are the only darkners afaik with "full" names

(queen has a long name, but its just her serial number)

oh wait actually, Roulx Kaard too

Roulx Knight confirmed?

[sour mesa]

Rouxls Knight Confirmed

[ripe harbor]

does Jigsaw Joe count

or is Jigsaw a nickname or something

"Old Man" might count as well but he's weird

[rain lotus]

ralsei murderr

(two rs. important)

[ripe harbor]

Ralsei Asriel "Toothpaste Boy" Gaster-Dremurr Wingdings McProphecy

the first

[crystal shale]

so do I but I'm not evil

[serene loom]

yeah hes not special

[strange cloud]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZP8BpHpK4/

[dense cargo]

You know what, fair enough.

[low surge]

Saw this as a proposed name for Asriel Kris Dess Noelle group and it’s kind of too perfect

[timber widget]

Roar
yeah alrighteth

[low surge]

Christmas Kids, but the band name just lines up too perfectly

[sharp lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oV6Dv5QksA&t=84s

[ripe harbor]

I'm not takin that from the guy who wrote Trouble Dingle

[amber jolt]

https://www.tumblr.com/cookies-forgotten-archive/790779638400090112/the-brainrot-has-fully-taken-over-my-brain-also?source=share

cookie's forgotten archive

the brainrot has fully taken over my brain

also, find Him.

-# #deltarune #deltarune fanart #susie #susie deltarune #noelle #noelle deltarune #susie x noelle #noelle x susie #jackenstein #JACKENSTEIN JUMPSCARE #your taking too long #he is here.

Tumblr · Aug 2, 2025, 2:50 PM

[low surge]

Jackenstein loves yuri graaaaaah

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruxCuFjMcZ4

graaaaaaah waiter more KRIS ANIMATICS ‼️

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1n4lndr/how_dare_the_world_move_on_without_you_by/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[delicate cave]

Huh. I just realized there are some parallels between Carol "bronze your child's art and leave your missing child's room completely untouched" Holiday and Asgore "offbrand Beauty and the Beast flower preserver" Dremurr

[rain lotus]

both are heads of their community too

I dunno if id say carol is specifically Satan coded but asgore was

altho the satan stuff was more just the underground being underworld coded

[golden haven]

Satan-as-stuck-in-ice maybe?

[rain lotus]

tbh my asgore satan comparison was also kind of entirely fixated on the trident anyway LOL

[dense cargo]

He is a goat.

[low surge]

Undertale really builds him up as being this dark king figure and then you meet the guy and he’s just a dad

[merry arrow]

Asgore is the most divorced dad in fiction

[low surge]

Spamton and Tenna are stiff competition

The Most Divorced Man of Today VS The Most Divorced Men of All Time

[crystal shale]

What about Harry Dubois

[serene loom]

Spamton and Tenna are Most Divorced (Don't Want To Talk About It), Asgore is Most Divorced (Can't Shut Up About It)

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-eat-asgore-deltarune-eat-awkward-eat-awkward-gif-13836388267481988629

[merry arrow]

I think Asgore still beats Tenna/Spampton (I think at least 50% of that is fanon anyway), Harry DuBois, Spirit from Soul Eater

Asgore is super divorced

[low surge]

He’ll get over it

Chapter 5 Asgore Nation Just You Wait

[strange cloud]

Chapter 5 is gonna end with asgore getting over toriel and then a 1 hour long unskippable cutscene of him and Rudy having gay sex

[merry arrow]

So true

[low surge]

Always bet on Asgorudy

The game will end with everyone (lighteners and darkners) attending their wedding

Watch it happen

Tony pay me now

[ripe harbor]

fire magic, king of the underworld, big 'goat', Trident....

its definitely A Thing for his design

[ripe harbor]

and then part of the joke is that he's like this lmao

[ripe harbor]

nooooooo shot he's beating Harry

Harry is not even divorced at this point he's something worse

[low surge]

He’s so joyous (when he isn’t crushed by the depression of losing everything)

[ripe harbor]

plus I think ||that he was never officially married actually adds to the Divorce Level||

Asgores on track rn to become Harry though

[low surge]

“You get sad Asgore. Too sad. People can’t get that sad. It’s impossible to watch.”

[ripe harbor]

It's breaking. You feel fractures across you. Out of the cracks comes nothing at all. No king, no man, and no king's man. The cracks were all there ever was. We are a spiderweb of glass that's painful to look at. And she's turning her head.
The you she saw is gone, too. A small sack of sticks stands in its place. Begging.

ngl I've been thinking of DE quite a bit recently after the static-darkness stuff

Its not not unlike the Pale

🤔

[low surge]

Yeah though Harry is like the event horizon end point of what Asgore could become, Asgore still has a chance to turn it around well before that point

[ripe harbor]

Harry would do the eggs husband thing

and then it would describe the expressions in horrified slow motion as nobody laughs

and then he would take -1 Morale

[strange cloud]

His authority skill would then tell him he has to kill himself

There’s no way to recover

[ripe harbor]

I do think Harry could solve the Hometown case basically off rip

or immediately get eaten by demons or something

He's got that knack for picking up "'signals'"

He's already used to having strange voices coming out of the static and then actually paying attention to them

(if you had any Inland Empire)

[sour mesa]

we can't even solve the hometown case yet

[ripe harbor]

harry could do it

🙏

[low surge]

The most Harry Du Bois thing to every Harry Du Bois

[rain lotus]

asgore would be great if he stops [presumably??] killing children

mother of god man

this can't keep happening....

[ripe harbor]

no
pacifism will kill the goat

he needs child murder to live

[dense cargo]

Which children did Asgore kill in DR?

[strange cloud]

MORE KIDS IN THE UNDERGROUND

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-7-human-souls-gif-8448313919745833100

it's not stated anywhere he Killed Them (iirc)

but he was gonna kill frisk

[dense cargo]

No I know that, I was talking about Deltarune.

[rain lotus]

oh [i haven't slept in like, 20 hours]

i dunno i'm half assuming he fucked up the knight

[dense cargo]

What, like the truck memes but for real?

[rain lotus]

he did something that got him kicked out of the police force

[rain lotus]

unironically maybe??? unless he's just that jacked in the light world

[strange cloud]

I do think it’s more likely he lost Dess then caused her disappearance lol

But the possibility asgore did run her over is very fun

[dense cargo]

Asgore personally murdered Dess with his bare hands.

He had to satisfy his child murder addiction.

[strange cloud]

SO TRUE

[dense cargo]

Or teen murder in this case I guess.

[strange cloud]

He’s like dexter

He has a dark passenger

An urge to kill

That must be satiated

[rain lotus]

see if he has some kind of knightonium shard like kris has after a successful knight run my meme assumption is he fucked up a cop car big time in some kind of encounter and his excuse was basically lunacy

and the reason he still has a license is because holy shit have you seen the other people on the street in this town

[low surge]

I straight up thought the truck meme was a real reveal at the end of chapter 4 and I was so pissed

[rain lotus]

i did too

i'm a truck truther though

why is there such an emphasis on him having a truck

he and toriel are the two car owners in this entire town

everyone else is just passing through presumably

[serene loom]

dont forget........ The Man

[rain lotus]

burgertruck theory

[low surge]

I think Asgore got the boot because he wasn’t able to solve the case, at least not in a way that would be considered satisfactory

[ripe harbor]

he definitely killed at least a few by his flavor text (and maybe even every single one)

It mentions he remembers the look of 'humans past'

and beyond the game theres a few social media posts from when UT was first released that pretty much outright say he did Child Kill x6 Combo

[rain lotus]

yeah i remembered right after that undyne said no human has ever gotten past asgore

my bain

[ripe harbor]

Seam above Tenna 🤔

Divorce Agenda posting....

think you gotta shuffle Seam-Tenna & Jevil-Spamton, just based on how often they talk about em

[sour mesa]

yeah that can't be right

[golden haven]

Whats jevil doin there

[strange cloud]

Him and Seam

[golden haven]

Ahh

[ripe harbor]

imo, I think bitterness would also lean you to the left over the right

at least you can't put it in the idgaf side

[rain lotus]

true gafer

[ripe harbor]

also

wheres King and Queen

I think Queen might be less divorced than Toriel actually

[rain lotus]

they feel more amicable than any of these

gaze upon the water bottle and despair

[ripe harbor]

doesnt he call her a wench lmao

[rain lotus]

I know he calls susie that

horrendous king moments

[sour mesa]

he calls everyone that.
"king, you can't call people wenches" we tell him. "people have names" we tell him

[ripe harbor]

ok, King redepemption arc: Marriage Counsellor

[strange cloud]

He does but that’s just because he’s a misogynist

Not because she’s his ex

[ripe harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

yeah I just rewatched it I guess after the initial taunts they're actually chill

joint Lancer custody awesome

[rain lotus]

character trait: misogynist

just one

[sharp lodge]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/1n553yp/chapter_5_friend_encounter/

[low surge]

I do like the idea FRIEND might at least have some friendly aspects

[ripe harbor]

Its why I've been kind of at the Memoryheads overall

I think it might be friendly- I don't think that means it won't be a little malicious lol

I'm not sure its idea of fun is one 99% of people are gonna want

[ripe harbor]

When it said "give you a hand" i instinctively went to check if this is post arm loss or not

how do feel on the Arm Loss thing

on a scale from "thats crazy" to "Its basically canon, its going to happen."

[velvet olive]

something's happening to that fucking hand

we don't know what tricksome tony is gonna pull but it's something

[ripe harbor]

I'm split

I don't think I got a strong opinion on it all being literal or metaphorical

it could go either way and I'd go 'yeah that makes sense'

[velvet olive]

yeah being real it could be a metaphorical disappearing

(being real? being fake? hm.)

[sour mesa]

Maiming feels... tonally dissonant, so far

could still happen

but idk

[velvet olive]

all we're saying is that there's a Knight with a sharp Knife
but it's hard to say. a lot of things are hard to say

[ripe harbor]

You could always cheat with the magic if a straight up cut is too graphic

In some neutral routes berdly's arm is straight up unusable for at least a day, could just
go a little further in that direction

[ripe harbor]

(also I do like the cat ears as parallel to Kris' horns)

[ripe harbor]

I gotta admit, it would make all the Kris playing piano bits hit extra hard rip

[sour mesa]

gottem

[inland hare]

Que

Wrong thread

[strange cloud]

Somewhere in “It does feel really likely at this point” tier

[sharp lodge]

https://www.rxddit.com/gallery/1n5i3kd

[low surge]

He just willed himself into having testosterone

I really like the transmasc Berdly stuff where he like dyes his feathers blue since female birds usually have less brilliant plumage

[ripe harbor]

people just be making videos about anything nowadays ||/s||

(I kinda agree)

I'll gotta watch this video to see what they say but its gotta be like something something 'doesn't fit in'

[low surge]

Oi oi Kris you got a loisence for that black knoif

[inland hare]

https://bsky.app/profile/vlurr.bsky.social/post/3lu4hdyh2ic27

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#Deltarune #GhostTrick

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Bluesky · Jul 16, 2025, 10:22 PM

extremely high effort meme

[delicate cave]

Which character would do Cabanela's little dances, and why is it Tenna?

[velvet olive]

art by us!

(bonus points if you can guess the reference)

[sour mesa]

batman

[velvet olive]

no

but good attempt

[restive comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048456832810766378/1412286290715480166/Frustrating.mp4?ex=68b7bd9a&is=68b66c1a&hm=4707618b29bc2d3b4676f6dfa1a6b860ab41b80fc8ed6c969d0b87767180422f&

My friend made this today

[ripe harbor]

(Though, I gotta admit ||I've never seen or read jjk 🤫||)
||I used my Forbidden Cursed Technique: Infinite Search Works||

[velvet olive]

yea yea that's it that's the one

[ripe harbor]

cool art!

[velvet olive]

thanks!

[low surge]

Wish we could do this

[wheat adder]

Is it because British people are inherently sad and depressed for being British? /hj

[timber widget]

British people are famous for their Freedom

[rain lotus]

its actually not the freedom motif, its the british motif

jevil? english

gerson? Scottish

spamton? actually American but he pretends to be English for some reason??? One of those guys

[ripe harbor]

New Englander

Boston theory is real

[rain lotus]

dangerous proximity to quahog ri

holy crap, lois, there's a friggin dark fountain in the garage

[ripe harbor]

Peter,

the cat is here

wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOVCQ-zGpYw

perfect timing I guess

[rain lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-kris-cough-coughing-chapter-3-gif-9560850888996082432

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7p7kNllzS4

spoiler for chapter 5s flashback

[rain lotus]

in the bergentruckung one they somehow layer in this as a leitmotif

it was there i learned bergentruckung has a heartache motif

if you like, squint your ears really hard

[ripe harbor]

Heartache was originally (proto) Jevil's battle theme

how british does that make Toriel and Asgore, transistively

is that why- wait

[ripe harbor]

this is literally Ralsei

[rain lotus]

he has an excuse because hes like 5. Days

spamton avoids being a taxpayer

[sharp lodge]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1n5w4xp/how_the_name_thing_probably_went_down/

[low surge]

Spamton fakes an English accent to sound fancier to con people easier

[rain lotus]

after playing pretend with my touys for over a week i theorized that playing with touys is the overarching theme of deltarune

[sour mesa]

Very possible

[rain lotus]

"play with touys" - t. gerson boom

[gilded canopy]

Heartbreak/ASGORE are the same main tune but in different time signatures, give or take some extra bits

siivagunner's dual joke of swapping their entire time signatures is my favorite way of pointing it out

[rain lotus]

that's horrifying

wtf

OH MY GOD I'M LISTENING IT TO IT NOW???

I HATE THIS

[gilded canopy]

It's wonderful!

[rain lotus]

this game was my life 10 years ago and somehow this escaped me

[gilded canopy]

It's very easy to miss unless you're actually keeping track of what notes are being played

I had zero idea myself

[rain lotus]

i'm still reeling

they don't sound at all alike besides the like, bridge

like side by side

and that's definitely the instrumental swaps but like

it's identical

[gilded canopy]

There's also the Spear of Justice part in ASGORE becoming way more apparent when you switch it back to its normal time signature

[ripe harbor]

Asgore's such a good song

might be my favorite in UT

[sage needle]

Absolutely it's crazy how good it is

[rain lotus]

its such a like, regally doomed track

[ripe harbor]

mfw when the DR version of his boss theme has a subtle 'Roots' motif mixed in

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-scared-hand-shaking-shivering-gif-24524523

[serene loom]

okay but consider

asgore freedom motif

[ripe harbor]

thats a bad sign! I don't want his ass haunted by 'someone'!

(Reminds me of Asgore...)? [When equipping it to Noelle]```

but it might be a little too late for that

hopefully this is, uh, just referring to his life in general falling apart...? Thats probably better than demons (real)

[strange cloud]

It’s actually because he’s divorced

[inland hare]

What’s the relationship between a bow tie and Asgore

[serene loom]

fall from grace, not doing great financially, hes the kind of guy whod wear a bowtie, any or all of the above

[rain lotus]

freedom (from da ex)

[ripe harbor]

both are chopped 💔

both might have contacted

both are divorced...?

[rain lotus]

can't have shit. even my equipment is div- wait dealmaker right

[ripe harbor]

huh

wym

[rain lotus]

dealmaker is spamton

like "oh god dammit, my armor is divorced too" when he's right there

[ripe harbor]

Noelle's reaction to the dealmaker is also

"Seems familiar....?"

makes you wonder if the sweepstakes backstory stuff was really already planned when this line was written, or if she's talking about... some other reason.

girl why are you nostalgic for exploring Weird Creepy Mounds with Locked Doors alongside your childhood friend

doomed

[rain lotus]

gosh kris, remember when you would take me to the w a s t e? fahaha! (i wonder why they don't do that anymore..?)

[restive comet]

Anyone have the art of her with the tar?

[rain lotus]

@gimmie20dollas on hellsite

[low surge]

Youth is thinking Megalovania is the best, maturity is realizing ASGORE + Bergentrückung clears everything

[white basalt]

i'd say it's a close race between bergentrückung/asgore and battle against a true hero, at least as far as boss themes go

[clear frost]

might i recommend the humble Hopes and Dreams?

[white basalt]

also very good!

[rain lotus]

i like hopes and dreams and the medley at the end of true pacifist so much

[low surge]

All good contenders

Honestly half the reason I can’t take megalovania seriously anymore is completely unrelated to the game or fandom itself

I used to be friends with a guy (keyword used to) would come over and play smash and he’d always pick Marth with the white outfit and one time he played Megaloviania and it genuinely broke my brain it was the funniest shit ever he thought he was so cool

[rain lotus]

megalovania haunts me

i'm musically inept but i can play the first few notes on any instrument after a bit of playing around

[white basalt]

in the interest of mentioning something besides a boss theme: another medium

[rain lotus]

last period of time where i binged tower unite with my partner i got the wowozela and like

for however long over a few days

i was apparently subconsciously playing

doo doo DWEE doo

and it got on their nerves enough they told me and i didn't even register i was doing that

their exact words were like "wow you're getting really good at playing those first four fucking notes"

i could hear them bearing their teeth

[white basalt]

wild

[inland hare]

Noelle is such a freak

[dense cargo]

For UT tracks, I'd say Amalgam is terribly underrated.

[ripe harbor]

[white basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-spamton-spamton-neo-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-gif-8881021058169658278

[south flume]

https://youtu.be/M2NKln67klk?si=eUJEyfqPSS2aJ9WE

[dense cargo]

Wouldn't it have been more fitting to swap the two last themes here?

[rain lotus]

select the motif that you prefer

[ripe harbor]

the stupid fucking SWOON effect lmao

Its also half in Raise Up Your Bat & Girl Next Door, because its very briefly in Lost Girl

https://youtu.be/85WD93lz5GU?si=pAkLod658IgQeovJ&t=57

I think its easiest to hear in this one

only the

but if 'Don't Forget' can get referenced in 4 notes, this motif can do it in 5, why not

I would be getting SWOONED for saying this to the teacher doe

#deserved

I think its funny when people write paragraphs about why its called the 'Freedom Motif' about the storylines and thematic connections-
which is true, but
its definitely nicknamed that because of the shared flavortext more than anything else

[rain lotus]

Clownshit jokerman motif

it's the jevil expanded polycule theme

[ripe harbor]

Song That Might Play When You Meet '''Someone'''

noise that is hidden between the lines and buried underneath

Laughter hidden in the basement, near the Shelter, through the static of your phone - no mattter where in the Dark World you are

Laughter, mixed up

sound file: 'smile'

[lusty cypress]

You know, I had a weird dream where a creature was an extra encounter in silent hill 3 and it was supposed to be gaster
I just thought it was a pain, as it wouldn't die, only go down for a while, and blocked off a narrow corridor

[crimson badger]

Gaster's too fat and he keeps interfering with my PB

[ripe harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsvMtY3rLng

it could happen to you too....

[crimson badger]

it never crystallized to me that Fun values could just do that to speedruns

you know what whatever projects I cook up in my mind are gonna have Fun values if they ever escape there

[ripe harbor]

its very funny

[crimson badger]

really juicy for standard play, the equivalent of a slapstick rake for speedruns

[rain lotus]

casually racewalking past the pocket hell

what he hell?? they broke the ui

tobycode

[ripe harbor]

sans watching that happen like "typical"

when you know its some anomaly bullshit and you could prove it, probably, but eh

they call me the world pioneer in 'dingle theory'

||/s||

but its interesting the Gaster's Theme fun value speaker doesn't talk like him at all.

"The voice that thanks you after Gaster's Theme plays is the Shadow Mantle Holder", fuck it, why not

why would Gaster write Chara to make Eram do this 🤔?

[serene loom]

oh yeah the UI breaking is standard for UT speedrunning, its part of the punchcard glitch

basically by using the punch card at exactly the right times, you can walk out of interactions and cutscenes

which lets you do a lot of wacky shit

the undertale speedrun rules are actually hilarious because "glitchless" allows so many things

https://i.imgur.com/IwaWztk.png

[rain lotus]

holy shit

the soul technique:

[rose swallow]

yeah, the punch card screen is treated kinda like a cutscene, so closing the punch card has the code give an "end cutscene and give the player control of their movement" instruction

meaning if you pause the frame before a cutscene starts, then open the punch card, when you close it that instruction will bring you out of the real cutscene as it starts

[manic parrot]

“Here is a list of glitches you can use during your glitchless run” is very in the spirit of Undertale

[lusty cypress]

FUcking gaster

[ripe harbor]

revenge on sans for chapter 4 ending

[ripe harbor]

hmm, in the Gonermaker, you can choose your favorite color to be Red, Blue, Green, or Cyan
thats 4/6 of the main colors in the RGB or CMYK color models

it's only missing Magenta and Yellow

really, Deltarune fans?

[This model works by] masking colors on a lighter - usually white - background. The ink reduces the light that would otherwise be reflected. Such a model is called subtractive, as inks subtract some colors from white light.

normal colors at a distance, but looking close causes it to dissolve into pink and yellow spots

I don't have any strong take with this yet but I guess I'll keep it in mind

"subtractive" coloring, huh. Creating colors by taking away light, explicitly used with ink... 🤔

could be why its pink and yellow. Might be cooking, might be completely bonkers.

[rain lotus]

cMYK.... MIKE....

[ripe harbor]

theres not-not cyan, either

[manic parrot]

Right, because inks and pigments absorb light

[ripe harbor]

yeah

I mean moreso I could see this as an inspirational base for Dark Worlds negative-light in general

esp when The Dark is equated to ink by Gerson, and has that close connection to creative work

it becomes literally Ink-that-Subtracts-Light

a literalization of that into something outright supernatural

but I'm just throwing darts at a wall I got no idea if this is anything

[manic parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-mike-pippin-green-conspiracy-gif-5869661353018453933

[crimson badger]

similar to old thoughts I had on color (being Normal about colors and reading up on them was a whole thing I did a long while ago), can't see how to fit them into DR except that the two choices not present could be associated with Susie's and Noelle's colors
color-from-ink is substractive (all the colors together end in black) (pigments)
color-from-light is additive (all the colors together bring white) (light emission)
CMYK is substractive (color-from-ink, using pigments), RGB is Additive (color-from-light, digital displays)

feels like it can also draw parallels to Light and Dark as they exist in the game but it also feels like pareidolia

(Also CMYK could be seen as Kris, Susie, Noelle, Hat Ralsei while RGB could be Susie, Ralsei, Kris, if you squint)

[rain lotus]

see i thought the colors was a zelda reference

[crimson badger]

...
that feels more likely

I need to get this down to paper anyway or it'll consume me BUT
color-from-ink needs a source of color-from-light for it to be anything but black (barring an overlapping canvas of just ink)
color-from-light needs to either reflect off of color-from-ink, or emit a specific wavelength of light to present any color
like this is just the color models working as intended since they're describing the same phenomena but in two different ways for two different usage contexts
BUT looking at it from the Light/Dark lens helps pair them together more

[ripe harbor]

I'm just trying to figure out what it means that seems very closely tied to Dark Fountains or The Dark in general, tbh

seemingly weirdly important for... some reason, probably

like- take the usual read people have about the Dark Worlds as Creation-Of-Fiction
Whats in that metaphor. What does it mean under that read, that its (seemingly, if its the garbage noise) always able to be heard?

[rain barn]

spitballing here
the subconscious? the bits of you that end up in every work even if you don't intend it?

but those often have deeper meaning than being garbage noise

the bits that end up garbled in copies of copies? when your printer's misaligned, or plot elements now isolated from their original context?

[low surge]

The Joy Of Creation

🤷

Buddy seems pretty chuffed

[timber widget]

Whenever you create fiction, sometimes there's a creepy smile

Watch out

[strange cloud]

You think Noelle is a Gaylor?

[low surge]

She’s a gay lord that’s for sure heyoooooo up top

🫷

[strange cloud]

🖐️

[manic parrot]

No she’s a Holiday

[low surge]

Has anyone here played Deltatraveler? I’m playing Undertale Yellow right now and enjoying it, and I’m wondering what other fan games are with a try

[restive comet]

I have, but not since when it first came out

[strange cloud]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8BoG1Hp/

[low surge]

Aw hell naw pluey been on /tttt/ someone get him outta there

[ripe harbor]

I've been wondering if this is sort of how the shadow crystals and whatnot fit in

I've been brushing up on actual information theory terms through wikipedia dives 💀

Thats pretty similar to how noise is defined

In communication systems, noise is an error or undesired random disturbance of a useful information signal in a communication channel.

if the prophecy, "Deltarune", is what's being conveyed as information

the shadow crystal side content is, what, unintended data?

or the weird extra faces are things you didn't know you were putting into a work?

actually, bits of you was also a pin I had- Fountain making does involve actually stabbing a bit of your will directly into the earth

maybe theres a question of where that will goes

Enough people over enough time, each giving the smallest sort of bits and pieces. Maybe it adds up, until it starts to nearly be a person again?

[ripe harbor]

"Wouldn't it be fucked up if there was A Cat."

I did realize that the switch background for Airwaves is literally a depiction of wave interference

so thats neat

https://youtu.be/QmEPMNqkH_E?si=QUJvlr_U1skQEnbv&t=71

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Two_sources_interference.gif

(this is wikipedia's default gif for the topic)
another 100 dollars on associated with data transmission

[rain lotus]

if it's anything the shadow crystals become glass in the light world

i didn't know what to make of it except there's broken glass just buried in kris' couch

[ripe harbor]

Lenses is kinda where I want to go

they refract light

but in some sort of pseudomagic maybe-negative-light way too

They refract Dark?

this is also a sort of signal / wavelength manipulation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_noise

Many of these types of noise-spectrums, when put to audio, are noted to sound like water