Armored Core General!

[small stone]

Ok

[patent oyster]

You should be ok

Also the pilebunker here doesnt fit with the rest of the relatively ranged armaments

I say ranged because LCS and zimm

Zimm effective range is further than you think

Ill try this setup when i get home

[modern hornet]

Another thing to note about Ibis, and really most other C-Weapons: your only defenses that you can really rely upon are evasion and/or raw Armor Points. Boss-scale C-Weapons like Ibis and the Sea Spider have weapons that straight-up ignore your kinetic, explosive, and energy defenses.

[serene kettle]

My hot take is people overvalue boost speed as listed on the garage screen

[patent oyster]

Boost speed is only useful for grounded combat

The rest of the time, AB, and QB speeds matter more

And vertical boost speed

[eager vector]

and jump distance

[serene kettle]

Your jump distance is huge on the ground yeah lol

[small stone]

It's almost 9pm

[patent oyster]

You basically only need more than 350 to passively dodge missiles

[small stone]

I should be sleeping by now

[patent oyster]

Anything above 350 is kinda unnecessary or depends on the build and playstyle

Anyways have some clips

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1213054876720959518/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_10.mp4?ex=6618fe64&is=66068964&hm=87ef84558063c97ee99ae5131ff1de75a9627c4e52b25ffb2d9379ec9979e30b&

Student pilot vs nightfall

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1213415622608945173/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_12.mp4?ex=661a4e5c&is=6607d95c&hm=134e99305ecff95737a5cdc6b46b92fcf51073aa19de6ec5c99af0f3dacf95cb&

Nightfall vs nightfall

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1210543826633097266/SPOILER_Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_4.mp4?ex=6619164b&is=6606a14b&hm=84b6707444a6df2e46000320319fab32fbd45fc520bc663d8eefa5f1ea0e5b8b&||
Haldeman LCS vs ||ayre||

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1210544154988249168/SPOILER_Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_5.mp4?ex=66191699&is=6606a199&hm=c2af6e020761f445ac791e74bf038d59bf896f31b80226361884dd35378237ec&||
Haldeman LCS vs ||Walter||

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1210544866191347753/SPOILER_Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_6.mp4?ex=66191742&is=6606a242&hm=bc3d4755a4dcf06f039c35e851b249a04826f695f1a913fd090031baf0cf93f1&||
Haldeman LCS vs ||Allguazu||

[small stone]

Maybe

Instead of holderman

Turner

[small stone]

How is it against ibis

[patent oyster]

I wont be home in another 3-4 hours sorry

Ill let you know when i test though

[small stone]

Okie

[small stone]

MY FINEST HOUR.

JUDRING FROM THIS SHOULD I KEEP PRACTICING

[eager vector]

I'm p sure that if you had fired the shotgun at the 43s mark you would have won

following up the lance hit with the shotgun to get the stun is crucial

[small stone]

FUUUUCKKKKK

I did fire it..

I missed..

[eager vector]

I'm watching the RA ammo count and it never goes down

[small stone]

Hmm…

[eager vector]

how come you're not using zimm?

[patent oyster]

Wait, actually if you're using shotty to finish the stun

Charged wuerger would be good

[eager vector]

I'm not sure it's worth the added complexity

in this case

[river junco]

I would also potentially reccomend uhhhhh

The Chengs

They rip Ibis up pretty well whenever she’s not dashing

[patent oyster]

You can precharge it and hold it whole the lance attack happens, then release it right after

Does more damage than a shotgun hit

[eager vector]

doesn't matter how much damage it does between the lance and the pb, meanwhile if they haven't gotten down the inputs for charging the lance, firing the shotgun, and then charging the pb, I don't think making the required inputs more complicated is a good thing

[patent oyster]

Thats a fair assessment

[eager vector]

it is wicked cool tho

[small stone]

Long sob

[patent oyster]

When it does the attack at 0:06, you can dash underneath it and attack it from behind

[small stone]

I need to shower and sleep

[eager vector]

you're making good progress! I bet you get it your next play session

[small stone]

Bless ya

[patent oyster]

Sleep on it and you'll do fine tomorrow

[surreal tundra]

Take care!
Rest in between, I'm sure it'll get in your bones somepoint

[patent oyster]

1:51 How the hell did i manage to miss a stationary target 70 METERS AWAY

bonus clip of me beating the stuffing out of nightfall with this build in 17 seconds

[patent oyster]

its also possible with this one

honestly, the main thing thats been holding you back is the bad advice you've been given

you've been improving a lot over the past two days, im sure you'll get it the next time you play

[surreal tundra]

Wait, what kinda advice did people give 'em before?

[cursive agate]

I think it applies to Ibis, but the C-Spider had kinda high energy resist, with weakness to explosive/kinetic damage.

Just something to keep in mind if you move away from the current melee focus.

[small stone]

Be aggressive, chase, git gud

[polar osprey]

incredibly useful and strong advice /s

[serene kettle]

being aggressive is good advice for most of the game, to be fair

IBIS in particular just super punishes aggression and demands you wait your turn. Comparing to Elden Ring is actually very applicable, because it's designed much more like an ER boss.

git gud is pretty unhelpful regardless though

[eager vector]

there are rare instances where git gud is helpful advice, when it’s shorthand for “you’re approach is right you just need to practice”

[iron quarry]

If you have the build for it you can technically kite the shit out of ibis

[serene kettle]

I mean sure, but then it's a needlessly confrontational approach

[iron quarry]

Missiles hurt

[serene kettle]

I've found IBIS pretty good at dodging missiles, the tracking is good but it's just so slippery.

[iron quarry]

Yea but the thing is ibis can’t do shit to you at the ranges you wanna fight with a missile build

Anything beyond 200+ range and ibis just sorta freaks out

It’s not sure what to do if your as fast as it and running away

[small stone]

Any good builds for a first play through missile ranged build?

I’m gonna keep doing Pile and Lance for now to practice

[iron quarry]

Honestly I never really use missile builds for the general missions

That’s more of a niche case with ibis

And her AI borking out

[small stone]

Oh

I’m sure I can get it

I need to believe

[iron quarry]

Not saying that it’s impossible but I just don’t have a lot of advice on PvE missile builds

[small stone]

Is this faster than the lance?

[eager vector]

it’s a faster kill by a few seconds yeah

[wooden nimbus]

🤔 I should use the existence of the coop mod to force one of my friends to buy the game

[surreal vine]

The co-op mod's invasions are janky but really cool when all works right

[wooden nimbus]

Their main thing was wanting me there to help/bail them out as they learn lol

How does invasion work, full blown "we have dark souls on Rubicon" mode or

[eager vector]

If you don’t miss openings, lance is faster https://youtu.be/LyHbcvdVBS0?si=Jj_l655mpTsUPnBG

[serene kettle]

"Destroy it before-"
*bunk'd*
"...it destroys you damn you're fast"

[serene kettle]

I have to imagine it's something more along the lines of "oh no, enemy AC approaching!"

[surreal vine]

A warning pop-up and then it spawns in the invader in one of a few set spawn spots per mission

This can sometimes screw over the invader(s) by spawning them on top of the co-op ACs or behind closed doors that cannot be reopened

But when it works it's basically "hey, rogue AC here to murder you"

(which is more difficult than it looks if people are competent, a 2v1 alone is tough)

[serene kettle]

yeah I learned this long ago from invading in ER

ER invasions are basically always an uphill battle unless you stumble on some poor fools already fighting a field boss

[surreal vine]

Though I did have a very funny invade I pulled off where I jumped a pair fighting Sulla in Ch1 and let Sulla solo one AC while I focused the other

Felt incredibly cinematic as I'd taken a Nine-Ball cosplay assembly

[serene kettle]

I once had an invasion where I walked in on a duo that was mid-fight with Draconic Tree Sentinel. It felt dishonorable to take the cheap shot so I sat on the sidelines and cheered.

A Blue showed up, stared at me for a while, and then ran off to help them with the boss

[surreal vine]

Try invading in the ||destroy the Arquebus fleet/Steel Haze Ortus boss fight|| mission

: )

The ||infinite flight is silly||

[small stone]

Thank you

So don’t just wait for the opening when it does the single slash and dives towards you

Do the opening where it prepares for the double slash

[eager vector]

Sometimes you’ll take damage doing that but it’s worth it yeah

[eager vector]

Im so excited for scribble to beat ibis

[polar osprey]

it's gonna go hard

[eager vector]

https://tenor.com/view/send-energy-sending-healing-dragon-ball-spirit-bomb-gif-16443313

[polar osprey]

fr

[frank pivot]

First recorded instance of a well behaved blue in fromsoft history

[serene kettle]

LMAO

anyway I won that invasion when DTS eventually vigor checked the host in phase 2

[small stone]

Need yall to believe in me like Goku gaining ultra instinct

[polar osprey]

literally sending you all our energy

[small stone]

@chrome wigeon

I’ll get home from the gym

And then fucking COOK

[eager vector]

hype

[chrome wigeon]

whats yo build

[chrome wigeon]

do you want to change it up

[small stone]

It’s what’s been working so far

[chrome wigeon]

or do you want to beat ibis with this build

there is a very easy method to take home the W but that's entirely up to you

[small stone]

I want to beat ibis but I may try replacing it with two shotguns and 1 laser cannon

The lance thing is what I’ve been practicing with

[chrome wigeon]

I took two zimmermans, grenade launcher, and the 10 missile pod rack

grenade launcher slaps and the zimmermans can absolutely shred their poise or whatever its called

[small stone]

Got any clips or did you wait for a specific attack

[eager vector]

@chrome wigeon this is roughly the strat they’ve been practicing

[chrome wigeon]

no clips I just shot her until she died

it wasn't easy by any means but you basically just have to wait until she isn't moving too much then you just absolutely unload both shotguns and point blank

if you can get two "barrages" of that off you'll probably stagger her

[patent oyster]

Lets goooooo

[small stone]

Speaking of ultra instinct

Gonna go listen to the theme

[patent oyster]

Ngl ive been having a lot of fun fighting ibis while testing your builds out

Its really refreshing to try out different builds for a change sometimes

[small stone]

Edit

Ultra Instinct isn’t hype enough

Order or Be Just and Be Dead

[chrome wigeon]

ultra instinct is so hype though

[patent oyster]

https://youtu.be/iIL9XAHV9Oc?si=SbJcFUhoTp_9ecI4

[small stone]

OH YEAH THAT

that’s hype

[chrome wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVqoiG0CUU

sorry I was thinking of this

[patent oyster]

Or Libera me from Hell from Gurren Lagann

[small stone]

https://youtu.be/UmYZUphNFIs?si=bxKzwQcvHk2AcZEx

[patent oyster]

Honestly out of the builds ive tested on ibis so far, your initial dual missiles + turner + etsujin was the most consistent to play

[small stone]

But that doesn’t have the sheer damage of Pile

Or Lance

[patent oyster]

Didnt have to make big plays

[small stone]

Lance just gives me so much energy

[patent oyster]

@small stone

[small stone]

Maybe lance and turner

Like

I’m sure I can do it

The lance is as much a symbol of the continued struggle as the pile is

I’ll try both

[patent oyster]

By "more consistent" i mean that it simply isnt possible to MISS MY SHOTGUNS AT 70 METERS

💀

[small stone]

Yeah lmao

I’ll do turner and lance

[patent oyster]

Im still hung up on that

[small stone]

If it had connected at 43 seconds I would have won

[patent oyster]

Nah i mean, did you see my clip

At 1 minute 51 seconds

[small stone]

Oh

[patent oyster]

Ibis was COMPLETELY STATIONARY

[chrome wigeon]

contact with you is so beautiful goddamn

[patent oyster]

And my FCS just decided to take a nap

[small stone]

Yeah

[eager vector]

The shotgun is crucial to making sure you can complete the lance stun for the bunk. If you swap to turner I would abandon the lance

[small stone]

So I should keep practicing with what I have

Alrighty

Switch to Zimmerman

Channel my rage

[eager vector]

zen mode, calmly wait for opening and then execute the combo

[patent oyster]

Yknow how in g gundam, domon activates his true super mode by entering a serene state rather than forcing the activation with rage?

Yeah just like that

[chrome wigeon]

this might sound strange but I have the best results when I close my eyes, breath, and lean right back into my chair

relax your shoulders

[small stone]

Maybe we need love, not war

I should marry ibis

Problem solved

[small stone]

Yeah

[small stone]

Where’s the burning finger theme when you need it

I know

I’ll apply the divine force from being transgender and use it to triumph

This should be easy

Wait

If that worked this would be over already

Hmm

[patent oyster]

You are simply not believing in yourself enough for it to work

[small stone]

I need… to believe

I need… ultra instinct!

(Or burning finger/Neo/Coral/Friendship/Love)

[patent oyster]

@small stone one more clip for motivation

[small stone]

I CAN DO IT

I WILL LIBERATE RUBICON

[eager vector]

@small stone remember that you actually don’t want to fire the shotgun before the lance like in this clip

the stun is shorter if the lance gets the final hit than it is if the shotgun gets the final hit

[shell nymph]

WE BELIEVE

[patent oyster]

Im just used to melee punishing to finish the stun

But yeah doing lance then shotty will ensure a longer window to use pile

Dont do what i did lmao

[small stone]

Ok!

[small stone]

YEAHHHHHH

[patent oyster]

Also i cannot believe how effective lance bunk combo is

[shell nymph]

lance bunk is based as fuck

i'm too addicted to the speed to use it but i have so much respect for those who do

[patent oyster]

A whole 50 seconds faster than my average clear time

[patent oyster]

with some modification, its also a viable pvp build

lol

[patent oyster]

since you can intercept ibis during its first downward sweep attack at the beginning, i believe its possible to go even faster by skipping the sweep attack entirely and lancing ibis right from the get-go

lance -> shotty -> bunk -> AA

[eager vector]

Can you show me what you mean?

[patent oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TxJdCZTqWU

if you see in this clip, you can catch ibis before it does the downward sweep

people have used this method to pilebunk chainsaw combo it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144298738425266237/1210575505640783953/bunksaw_p1.mp4?ex=661933cb&is=6606becb&hm=6517fe7af3361aac708b38d618825193198ec78f96645ff569b6125a252a85fa&

@eager vector

so you could, at the start, jump and then lance ibis right away

[eager vector]

ooooh sick

[patent oyster]

this particular combo doesnt work anymore because of the zimmer nerf

[eager vector]

for the best

[patent oyster]

indeed

[small stone]

Guys…

I’m not getting it

4 deaths so far

NO!

FUCK!

ALL THIS WORK IS POINTLESS I GOT A SLIVER LEFT

I just can’t get it

I DID IT

[patent oyster]

Take some deep breaths, be patient, and wait for opportunities

[small stone]

I FUCKING DID IT

[chrome wigeon]

YESSSSSSS

WOOOOOOOO

[patent oyster]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[serene kettle]

Wooooo!

[patent oyster]

[serene kettle]

congrats!

[small stone]

CARLA I FUCKING LOVE YA

[serene kettle]

So on a whim I booted up Armored Core and did this

BOOYAH

only took two tries

first try was close I just was a little too slow on using my third repair and got killed by the X-blade attack

Javelin Betas work better against IBIS than I thought they would

[patent oyster]

Jav beta is great defensive missile

[serene kettle]

Yeah I use them for pressure on Lumberjack

it's basically there to be an extra hazard for you to get "rollcaught" by when you're avoiding an angry thing trying to boost kick and punch you in the face

and if it ends up being the final stagger, you get to be a meal for the chainsaw

[small stone]

After Xylem what ending do yall recommend

[serene kettle]

I personally think the best route order is:

side with carla
side with Ayre
secret third thing

[patent oyster]

Agreed

Although if you do fires second, ||given all the RLF interaction in NG+ the betrayal hits harder||

[small stone]

I’m unsure if I’m gonna keep playing after NG+

[patent oyster]

Keep going

[serene kettle]

Yeah the NG cycles unlock new missions and stuff

[patent oyster]

Technically you havent finished the game if you only do one ending

[serene kettle]

and changes to existing missions

[patent oyster]

Theres new story and new missions in each cycle

[serene kettle]

also new parts

[patent oyster]

and new arena

[cursive agate]

First clear takes the longest because you're still learning things, and pretty limited by parts on Playthrough 1.

[patent oyster]

The story of AC6 isnt "complete" in a narrative sense until NG++

Yeah you should breeze through NG+ and NG++

except when i got walled for an hour on ICE WORM of all things

for no apparent reason other than a sudden onset of skill issue

🗿

[wooden nimbus]

I don't like that fight

[patent oyster]

Honestly after the first time, the novelty wears off

[wooden nimbus]

It looks cool, the premise is cool

But it's not very fun for me

[cursive agate]

It's mostly about being in the right place at the right time, imo it'd ideally let you skip the mission after the first playthrough

[serene kettle]

Ice Worm was a real pain in the ass to S-rank

[wooden nimbus]

It would be a great episode in the armored core anime

[serene kettle]

because yeah, it's a mission you just kind of have to bring knowledge into

[patent oyster]

Theres speedrun strats that ive learned, but i genuinely cant bring myself to play the mission again

[serene kettle]

know exactly where it's going to pop up, etc etc

[patent oyster]

I only did it for my NG cycles and thats it

[wooden nimbus]

It also sucks because it's the perfect level for scan pulse but

To my ken it doesn't work

[patent oyster]

Havent touched it for my S ranks

[cursive agate]

light tank legs made it a lot more bearable for me, in missions with a lot of open ground in general.

[serene kettle]

god, right?

if you could see it underground via scan pulse that'd be amazing, but no

[patent oyster]

Hell, id rather play DEPTH 1 instead of ice worm

[serene kettle]

depth 1 is really fun

[patent oyster]

And that mission can be beat by simply dropping down

[wooden nimbus]

I don't mind depth one but it's another "this could be a cutscene" moments for me

[cursive agate]

depth 1 is funny with a high energy defense build + shield

[small stone]

I’m afraid that it’ll be super difficult

[wooden nimbus]

If anything NG+ is easier

[serene kettle]

For what it's worth I personally find the fight with IBIS to be the hardest thing in the game

and you just beat that

[wooden nimbus]

You tackle most scenes with end game bits and clown most enemies

[patent oyster]

NG+ is honestly easier because you have more experience and better weapons

[serene kettle]

NG+ means more OS tuning and more parts and more experience

and while some of the NG+ missions are harder than NG missions, they're not really harder than endgame NG missions

[patent oyster]

Because the difficulty isnt necessarily higher

Its just new missions and more narrative to flesh out the world

[serene kettle]

aside from maybe defend the dam. that one's tough.

[patent oyster]

I personally had an unreasonably difficult time with ||final boss ayre||

[serene kettle]

I use it to test PVP builds

[patent oyster]

Everything else after that kinda paled in comparison lol

[serene kettle]

That one's hit or miss. It took me like four tries after spending a couple dozen on IBIS

[small stone]

I’m afraid of fighting wife ||Carla and Ayre|| (yes poly)

Killing through the sadness

[serene kettle]

but I had a friend who was stonewalled on her for DAYS

[patent oyster]

It took me something like 3 hours

[small stone]

What Oder should I do the endings

[patent oyster]

Then again i hadnt figured out how to hard lock at that point

[small stone]

Bad ending first then good ending for NG+?

[cursive agate]

||final boss ayre|| kinda fell apart when I recognized the moves, though I also got tips about the fight beforehand.

[wooden nimbus]

Either one

[patent oyster]

Thats usually the recommended

But either works

[wooden nimbus]

Honestly I did good the first two, then true, then did bad end because I was bored

[patent oyster]

Its just that ||walter|| was piss easy compared to her

[wooden nimbus]

Iirc

It was a while ago

[patent oyster]

I managed to accidentally kill ||walter|| too quickly

Had to replay the mission to hear all the dialogue

[wooden nimbus]

Also ||Ayre was the easiest one for me||

[patent oyster]

....i had an easier time with ||allguazu|| than ||ayre||

I swear i get walled by the weirdest things

Smart cleaner

[wooden nimbus]

I love that we all have our own personal walls

[patent oyster]

||ayre||

Ice worm for NG+ (there is no difference between how the mission plays out)

[wooden nimbus]

||Mine is that ALLMIND mission where you intercept aircraft at the bridge||

[patent oyster]

Fuuuuuuck that mission

Fuuuuuck that

[wooden nimbus]

Agreed

[patent oyster]

I did a perfect clear the first time, never could replicate it since

Its still sitting at A rank for me

It taunts me

[wooden nimbus]

I will simply not do it again

[patent oyster]

Its not even that hard, its just that ||real human kate markson|| sucks ass

[eager vector]

FUCK YEEAAAA

I knew you were gonna get it while I was doing a massage and away from my phone

[wooden nimbus]

Only related in that this is armored core general I am currently thinking about how I would write the premise for an AC fan setting

Because I wanna do stupid shit on ttrpg scale

[patent oyster]

I personally like my AC fan speed set at medium

/jk

[eager vector]

lmao

my instance on lance+bunk for every mission skewed my perception of which endings were harder

[patent oyster]

Lance+bunk is great for regular bosses but can be hit or miss (literally) on AC fights

[eager vector]

yup

not that I cared my square peg was going through every hole no matter what

[patent oyster]

Meanwhile i (nowadays) build for PVP so i blitz AC fights and need to spend longer on normal bosses

[eager vector]

fuckin cleaner….

[patent oyster]

i say nowadays but in NG+ i managed to convergent evolution myself into a BVO build without knowing that archetype existed

[eager vector]

cleaner was easiest my first playthrough bc I didn’t have lance+bunk yet, and much harder every other time lmao

[wooden nimbus]

I started out being a machine gun and aperitif user

I am one again

The only difference is now I have a shoulder gatling

[patent oyster]

I refuse to use my NG+ loadout out of principle now

Dual vientos, 6 cell, pile

||that should explain how i breezed past walter||

[wooden nimbus]

Viento my beloathed

I see em I assume I've already lost

[patent oyster]

Nowadays they arent bad to fight

The nerf really balanced them well

[wooden nimbus]

When did they nerf them

[patent oyster]

1.05

iirc

[wooden nimbus]

(I'm RJ I still get stunned when someone looks at me funny)

I'm mad that the heavy RJ legs have at my last look less stability than MIND BETA

[patent oyster]

I think its a fair tradeoff

Spring chicken has more AP and can jump higher iirc

And RJ kick always hits like a truck

Its just a move to encourage people to try out lighter ACs

Heavyweight meta is boring af

[serene kettle]

I mean, this is my favorite pvp ac

is it good?

no.

Very fun though

and I do win with it sometimes

[patent oyster]

You cant really go wrong with dual jav betas

Especially when people see a lightweight with 3 weapons and try to rush you

[serene kettle]

lol yeah

[wooden nimbus]

I wish acv got a PC port

[serene kettle]

I have yet to find anything in the RH that goes any better than fist tbh

it just works so well as a stagger setup into chainsaw

[wooden nimbus]

It is a disaster to emulate

[patent oyster]

Wuerger

Charge it and its just a punch but better

Actually that could be really good

[serene kettle]

I assure you, it is not for what I'm trying to do here.

[patent oyster]

Jav betas to build stagger

Then finish the stagger with wuerger

And then saw

[serene kettle]

because the punch has melee lunge, I use it as a gap closer and stagger finisher

[surreal tundra]

^^

[patent oyster]

Wait why gridwalker and ming tang

[surreal tundra]

hm, I'mma try fighting her again real quick zmnxc

been a bit so it'll be fun zxmcn

[serene kettle]

Why not?

Gridwalker is great on lighter ACs and ming-tang is a good generator all around

[surreal tundra]

fuuuuuuuuun

[serene kettle]

Gridwalker also has some of the highest melee boost of any booster

second only to the Kikaku

while having much higher overall mobility

[surreal tundra]

wooooo!
I am like, 2 hours late almost but wooo! mnzx mznxc

[patent oyster]

Doesnt flugel have the second best melee boost now

After it got buffed

[serene kettle]

in my defense I haven't played for several updates

[patent oyster]

Gridwalker QB reload is just a bit too short for my liking

I only use gridwalker for vertical kite builds

[serene kettle]

I've been having computer problems

[patent oyster]

Rip

[serene kettle]

I mean, I also do a lot of aerial movement here

[patent oyster]

Fair

[small stone]

My heart is going to hurt

What if I do the good ending first?

[patent oyster]

But i personally dont see gridwalker as that good of a choice for what i perceive to be a fast melee-focused AC

[surreal tundra]

you can do it!
push past the bad to get a better ending!

[patent oyster]

Your heart will hurt even more

[surreal tundra]

^

[small stone]

So bad ending first leads to a good taste later on

[patent oyster]

||you get more RLF interaction in NG+||

[patent oyster]

More like relatively less suffering

[surreal tundra]

^

[small stone]

mommy Carla

[surreal tundra]

it kinda just makes more sense to me, with what gets expanded on

[wooden nimbus]

Just tell yourself the bad end is a simulation (there is literally no reason to not do this)

[patent oyster]

||also if you do the bad end first, you get gundam parts||

[surreal tundra]

^^

[small stone]

I wanna frolic with Ayre or Carla

[serene kettle]

I think it's wrong to slot them into bad end and good end

[surreal tundra]

also an excellent reason to do it first mnzxc

[small stone]

And fuck Snail up hard

[serene kettle]

I think the bigger difference is cynical vs hopeful end

[patent oyster]

They are simply just ends

[surreal tundra]

yeah, that makes sense too

[small stone]

This is the hopepunk server lmao

[patent oyster]

All 3

[wooden nimbus]

I agree but it's the common parlance at this point

[small stone]

Also how’s this build for Xylem

[patent oyster]

The defense mission?

[surreal tundra]

uhhh
wait which part of Xylem>

[small stone]

Take the Uninhabited City

Defense

[serene kettle]

Yeah you mostly just want something good for clearing chaff in that mission

[wooden nimbus]

I just really like ||either Liberator of Rubicon or Alea Iacta Est|| as endings more

[patent oyster]

You'll want some mid range firepower

So you dont have to hop between the lanes as much

[serene kettle]

it's mostly efficient chaff clearing

[small stone]

Longer range FCS than Abbott?

[serene kettle]

||Liberator|| is my favorite ending really, I just object to treating it as a blind happy ending 😛

[patent oyster]

And Breach the Karman Line is genuinely the best mission in the entire game

[serene kettle]

dear god yes

[patent oyster]

Peak gundam fan power fantasy

Gundam the origin char moment

[wooden nimbus]

I get that

[serene kettle]

The part where you get to win the Battle of Loum

[patent oyster]

||you have infinite energy, get to devastate an entire fleet who is powerless to stop you, and then you get to fight your rival in a gundam on top of a colony ship||

[wooden nimbus]

Though I also think ||coral release probably isn't as post human/extinction-y as people sometimes claim it is||

[small stone]

I’ll get to the Hopepunk ending soon

But for now

Time for sadness

[patent oyster]

And its also great for taking pics of your gundam cosplay builds

[eager vector]

they’re both sad tbh but I do like fires best as the first ending

[eager vector]

Oh hey I should do that

[serene kettle]

yeah I do think Fires is pretty fuckin bleak as endings go

I get why people think of it as the bad ending

[patent oyster]

||CHAR! AMURO!||

[wooden nimbus]

I think in ng++ ||the worst of it was avoided by killing off ALLMIND and not letting her basically soup+mind control everyone, and that ng++ is mostly the "the galaxy is now full of NHPs as well as people" end||

[small stone]

Here goes nothing

[patent oyster]

||https://youtu.be/NRDrgbGkIzY?si=-PtRHFJTGrfxCLqo||

Just this video

Is peak

Its so peak

[small stone]

Ayre… I’m so sorry miss

I love you.

[surreal tundra]

Wheeee~

[surreal tundra]

Mrrrp

[surreal tundra]

Fought ||IBIS|| again nndnfg

Fighting her is fuuuun
I don't think I took any defense upgrades,

Just the melee and full energy- but then I was only using kinetics and the Beta,

I guess you could kinda chase her?

But not all the time, and I did use parts you might not have- but then the ||Alba|| might be more of a sidegrade- hm
Blep

[surreal tundra]

She'll be alright, hopefully soon

[small stone]

I don’t want to do this

I don’t want to do this but I have to

Can I justify this? Absolutely not.

coral assimilation isn’t even discussed yet

[patent oyster]

You're fulfilling walter and carla's wishes

[small stone]

But not Ayre. Not the Rubiconians.

Mmmm.

…

[patent oyster]

next time

[small stone]

Intercept or Elininate?

[wooden nimbus]

I will definitely say ||having to betray someone who saw you as an ally regardless of which route you take|| is a very Armored Core bit of storytelling decision making.

I appreciate it

Like whether you consider one ending or another to be your favorite ||you will always be a villain in someone's perspective|| and I think that feels very real.

[small stone]

Hey wait

I was told it adds the rlf stuff in new game regardless

[patent oyster]

It does

[small stone]

Well

Alba or Ayre

[patent oyster]

||but can you betray the RLF, rusty, and ayre after spending so much time with them||

[small stone]

Apparently Carla and Chatty are bastards to fight

[patent oyster]

Thats the REAL question

[small stone]

Is love a valid excuse

To not commit genocid

[surreal tundra]

yeah I mean,
no need for an excuse to not commit genocide, usually

[small stone]

Wasn’t expecting that at all

[serene kettle]

okay you're right fluegel got buffed a lot

I'm using those now lol

Modestly lower base thrust but more quickboost power rules

[patent oyster]

Freud the jobber

[wooden nimbus]

He's on the stock exchange?

[patent oyster]

In a sense, i empathize with V1 a lot

He's just a dude who likes cooking his ACs and piloting for fun

And then he gets into a real battle in PVP and folds

😔

[serene kettle]

It’s genuinely funny how normal his bio makes him sound, then you meet him in a mission and he’s like “Yes! More! Hurt me more! Make me feel it!”

[small stone]

;-;

[serene kettle]

Guess you just can’t beat the Institute

[patent oyster]

Average mecha fan behaviour

[patent oyster]

Did you enjoy the climactic gundam fight after destroying an entire fleet

[small stone]

Yes

Now I gotta kill my wife

Dual bubble guns and Pile?

Or something else

[patent oyster]

High impact weapons are also effective against pulse shields

[cursive agate]

I've found x1 Pulse Gun is enough to eat through shields at a good pace, just stay close-ish and watch the recoil.

[patent oyster]

i posted my clip of me beating that boss with dual haldeman dual LCS

BVO is also effective

I dont remember what i used the first time around

Except laser drones

[serene kettle]

first time around I used 2x Songbirds, Plasma Rifle, and Pulse Blade. Absolutely no issues with the fight.

took me four tries getting her moveset down

[patent oyster]

Because without hard lock i needed something to hit her without me seeing her

Ibis was easier to track with soft lock than ||mecha malenia||

[small stone]

Will try this thank you

[patent oyster]

||"I am Ayre, blade of Rubicon. And i have never known defeat"||

[serene kettle]

for the record this isn't necessarily a recommendation, there are absolutely more optimal kits

that's just what I was using

[small stone]

Oh

I’ve noticed it’s more of an endurance fight

[serene kettle]

I just found the fight a lot easier than IBIS

[small stone]

So would pile be recommended

[patent oyster]

Pile is good against most things really

[small stone]

Pile, 1 Song, Pulse Gun, Pulse Blade?

[serene kettle]

you probably don't need both Pulse Blade and Pile

[patent oyster]

I feel like any loadout will do, as long as you learn the movement

[serene kettle]

I would pick one

I think Pulse Blade is really good for this fight in specific tho

since it has built in PA interference, generous tracking, and really high direct hit when the time comes to punish

[small stone]

Edit

Blade isn’t working well

She blades right back

The attack where she spawns a lot of illusionary ships and does the big explosions

That’s what’s getting me

[surreal tundra]

Oh just focus on dodging past her I think

At least, I think that's what I did

Qb before she hits the swing

Tho, I did use a coral gen so

Iunno what that changes exactly, if it does, for this fight

QB past then hit with pulse blade- or,
Hm,
I literally fought her just a bit ago and I forgot how I won exactly

[patent oyster]

Dodge into her in the opposite side that shes swinging from

[patent oyster]

You are more cruel for using her family as fuel to fight her

[surreal tundra]

Iunno how optimal the JVLN Beta is but for a fire and forget while keeping hardlock I find it fun

[small stone]

Edit

I keep running out of fuel for the pulse gun

[surreal tundra]

TBF, I switch to Coral Gens even in the later runs-
I just HC it as like, same way she used a coral gen herself, or ||in the 3rd ending||

[small stone]

She’s tanky as fuck maybe I shouldn’t use a lightweight

[patent oyster]

You can use lightweights

[surreal tundra]

Well,
I fought her with lightweights and earlier with no defense upgrades

[small stone]

I die fast

Clip will load soon

[patent oyster]

Ive never used heavy ACs besides for cosplay builds

[small stone]

I’ve died.. 4 times

[surreal tundra]

Fighting her fast and free is- wheee~
At least it's one last dance before a reset for a better end

[surreal tundra]

Mm!

Hopefully fighting her earlier means I can give better input lmao
I wouldn't bet on it tho

Coral weapons mean that AP is your sole method of tanking things, if you choose to go that way,

Faster means you can dodge and keep attacking- at least was my logic,

[patent oyster]

Observe and try to memorise her attack patterns

For lightweights, the modus operandi should be "get hit as little as possible"

[surreal tundra]

I basically started going almost always aggressive and it is- wheee~
Also I don't usually fi d that AA actually does anything to her if her shields are up I think?
Might be mistaken
But it's a good stagger I think

[patent oyster]

Treat it like ibis 2.0

Strafe dodge for the funnel attacks

[surreal tundra]

^^^
You can take about 3 significant hits with maxxed repair kits

[patent oyster]

Then QB/jump dodge for sword swings

[small stone]

What about the shield? The pulse gun runs out of ammo halfway

[patent oyster]

Use heavy impact weapons like shotguns/etsujins/pistols

Or even zooks

[surreal tundra]

QBed too early, ran out of energy
As for the shield, I just used a Ludlow.and the JVLN Beta, kept at it,
And when she's open I hit with a pulseblade

[patent oyster]

Pulse shield isnt only weak to PA interference

[surreal tundra]

^^

[serene kettle]

I did this boss with Lumberjack too just to see if I could

[patent oyster]

QBing sideways is not a reliable method to dodge the blade sweeps

[serene kettle]

yeah you really wanna get over or under if you can

[patent oyster]

You notice how you're going under her blade sometimes?

You wanna try to do that when you dodge

Otherwise, jump over her

Melee has pretty poor vertical tracking in this game

And that applies to both ACs and bosses

[surreal tundra]

Keep some distance/reserve for dodging, or go real close so you can see when she winds up, and then when you dpgw you hit back- and while up close you can keep a Ludlow or other sustained DPS to handle the shield eventually, or iunno

[patent oyster]

Ooh wait

Do you have aurora?

probably not because that weapon is hidden on ibis mission

[serene kettle]

as a sidenote, when she does the phase 2 transition, you really wanna get some distance from her

behind a pillar if you can

[patent oyster]

You can just jump over the ||clones||

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, jumping/vertical dodging works real well actually IIRC

[small stone]

Yeah I can’t dodge fast enough.

[small stone]

Yes

[patent oyster]

Dodge into her swings

Like you're dodgerolling

[small stone]

So ibis 2.0 but instead of dodging sideways it’s into

Ok

Ludlow or Turner?

[surreal tundra]

Sideways for the Bits/funnels, up or into for the blade swing

[serene kettle]

For what it's worth she's fast but way less slippery than IBIS

[surreal tundra]

I'm not sure if the Ludlow has enough ammo but if you're close enough then I guess?

[serene kettle]

She tends to zoom behind you a lot, but she sits still for a second way more often

[surreal tundra]

Feels a bit easier to nail with a blade I think,

[serene kettle]

Absolutely

[surreal tundra]

Cuz bigger target

Funnily

[serene kettle]

Having just done both fights back to back with a friggin chainsaw, Ayre is way easier to hit in melee

[small stone]

Turner, Pulse Blade, Aurora, Pile?

[surreal tundra]

I think the ||Coral Oscillator|| is easier to use to hit the IBIS, while the pulse blade works for ||Ayre||, at least for the initial stagger

[serene kettle]

I think pulse and pile is just wasting a slot. You'll be using them in the same circumstances

oh yeah I deleted IBIS with Redfin at some point

but if you have the former weapon, you probably do not need help with IBIS

considering it's max loghunt

[small stone]

Double Aurora?

[surreal tundra]

I used a laserdagger- forgot if you get them now or not- with a pulse blade cuz I double melee lmao, and I wanted to slash more

[patent oyster]

Scudder/ransetsu RF, pulse blade, aurora, another weapon

Ransetsu RF is like the mid range pre nerf viento

[serene kettle]

I'm a Ransetsu RF appreciator

I have a mech called "Killing Fields" that uses them and it's a real murder machine

[patent oyster]

Ransetsu RF+ sampu is why i think Steel Haze is objectively a better build than ||Steel haze ortus||

[surreal tundra]

Is RF the "hold to fire a burst shot" version?

[patent oyster]

Yes

But the burst fire is near useless

Just use it as a semi auto rifle

[serene kettle]

this was a few updates ago and I probably need to tweak things

but it was solid then

[surreal tundra]

Mm, I think I keep to the turner just to not feel a little clunky lmao

[patent oyster]

Pulse shield launcher enjoyer

[serene kettle]

😌

Killing Fields is a bit of a punny name

[patent oyster]

If i want a full auto rifle ill take scudder

[surreal tundra]

Mhm,
I think I just don't like how slow it feels, and the style xjsndmg
Is it better overall?

[patent oyster]

Actually, @small stone, have you considered using pulse missiles and attache?

[serene kettle]

Pulse Missiles are useful at all stages of the game

[surreal tundra]

Oh! I've never used the pulse missiles in either fight, I forget it's there xjdnfnx

I should have them by now lmao

[serene kettle]

or, wait, I'm thinking of the plasma missiles

are the pulse missiles new?

or are we talking about the same thing

[surreal tundra]

What's the optimal range for either normal fire or the charge fire?

[patent oyster]

I used to think the same, then i realised that scudder has a similar fire rate to ransetsu rf but has a higher direct hit adjustment on staggered enemies

[surreal tundra]

Handfire pulse missiles

[serene kettle]

ah

okay I don't think I've ever used those

they sound new

[patent oyster]

They used to be meta

For one patch

[serene kettle]

I booted up the game for the first time in months tonight

[patent oyster]

And then they got nerfed

[small stone]

No

Also Ran makes me stay in place when firing a burst

I get stabbed

[patent oyster]

Dont use the burst fire

Just spam the trigger

Use it as a normal semi auto rifle

[serene kettle]

Yeah Treat Ran RF as a really good semi-auto gun

[patent oyster]

It has good mid range capability and impact

[serene kettle]

I dual wield them and alternate them to keep the pressure up

murderous in pvp

[patent oyster]

Yup

Honestly Fromsoft should just remove the RF charged burst

[small stone]

Attaché, Pulse Missile, Dual Auroras?

[patent oyster]

Yes

Alternatively, dual aurora dual etsujin

Impact dealing monster

Works wonders in pvp

[patent oyster]

The trick with auroras is that their effective range is sub-40 meters and above 120 meters

[small stone]

Ok

[patent oyster]

Everything in between will miss

[small stone]

So basically strafe

[patent oyster]

Auroras for mid range stagger buildup

Etsujins for close range stagger buildup

[small stone]

I’ll try Attaché and pulse missilea

[patent oyster]

For pulse missiles, if you charge them you can fire all of them in one salvo

And you stay mobile

Which is why missile rat builds loved the weapon in 1.05

[cursive agate]

*charged is a rapid-fire stream, btw. Instead of 3-fan

[patent oyster]

Yup

[patent oyster]

Also for that attack at the end, you will NOT survive it no matter how much AP you have if you get hit

So when you see the plane clones, jump and boost into the air, and stay airborne

She will always land on the ground below you

[small stone]

Edit

I’m barely scratching her

[surreal tundra]

What are you hitting her with?

[small stone]

Attaché and pulse missiles are doing jack shit

And aurora misses

I run out of ammo halfway

[surreal tundra]

Aurora needs a particular range right?

[small stone]

Yeah

[patent oyster]

Maybe extend aurora firing range to 140

140+

If 120+ isnt working

Typically i fire them at around 135 ish to be safe

And -40

[small stone]

No like

[patent oyster]

Try scudder instead of attache then

[small stone]

Even if it hits it’s not doing any meaningful damage

I got so used to pile chunking things

[patent oyster]

And maybe the nerf to pulse missiles is hurting it a bit more than i expected

[patent oyster]

Ah thats the catch

[cursive agate]

Aurora is affected by energy spec, and I'm pretty sure C-Weapons are unusually tanky against energy damage.

[surreal tundra]

Honestly I think I use the JVLN beta as one of my go-to "this one thing needs a stagger/needs stagger buildup", then punish with blade,

Oh- well she's tanky if it's about the pile, I wouldn't worry about it too much,

[patent oyster]

If you dont have beeg damage weapons like pile, you gotta up your dodging game

[patent oyster]

Oh yeah i forgot to mention, use a generator with better EN weapon spec with aurora

[surreal tundra]

Keeping up and punishing well is the thing, it's hard to chunk her without some weapon combos

[surreal tundra]

Oh-
Right,
Are they "normal" vs kinetics and explosives? Or just kinetics and weak to explosives? In which case a JV-Bet might still be nice

[patent oyster]

Aurora does piss poor damage without good EN weapon spec

But with VE-20B or even VP-20D

Its great

I think its the only "missile" in the game that does essentially equal amounts of impact and damage

[cursive agate]

Weak to explosive, kinetic does fine

[surreal tundra]

Yeah, then in that case-
I guess even just the one JV-Bet would be pretty useful? Iunno blep
I just remember someone calling it a "missile songbird" and it seems mostly accurate, amazing for staggering with one other weapon for chip or better or something, I think

[patent oyster]

I suggested aurora mainly for peeling back the pulse shield with its PA interference and good impact

[patent oyster]

Note that aurora's reload and lock on times are also affected by EN weapon spec for some reason

[cursive agate]

Double Morley (Spread Bazooka) does hilarious damage to ayer's shield and extra large mech

[small stone]

EDIT

[surreal tundra]

Quite close

[small stone]

Quite.

I played remarkably aggressively

[patent oyster]

Ah yes, BVO with etsujins

[small stone]

I fucking sprinted past everything

[surreal tundra]

Minus BASHO

[patent oyster]

Maybe change out the arms for nacht

Or actually just straight up use basho for the big melee boost

[surreal tundra]

Yeah

[patent oyster]

basho arms being blocky fits the gundam aesthetic anyways

[surreal tundra]

I think it's manageable to use rapid-fire weapons with the Bashos if you're so close to the enemy anyways lmao

[patent oyster]

Yup

Thats basically how BVO works

[surreal tundra]

They're smaller than you might think lmao, so I think the proportions aren't too bad

[patent oyster]

It doesnt matter how piss poor your firearm spec or recoil control are

If your FCS can follow them and you're facehugging

[cursive agate]

Double morey is more heinous than I remember using Freud's playbook of jump + shoot down

[surreal tundra]

I basically use the same frame-
ALBA with BASHO arms, for almost all my loadouts- unless I discard melee entirely

[patent oyster]

Oh im well aware

[surreal tundra]

Which is rare

[patent oyster]

Heres my astray blue frame cosplay

[surreal tundra]

Since I pack a pulse blade out of habit

Goddess I love the pulse blade jcjxg
Only thing that beats it out because I like it (despite how bad the way it's attached to your AC is) is the ||Coral Oscillator|| for the Excaliblast XD

[surreal tundra]

Quite nice XD

I posted my Vanadis Gundam cosplay before right?

[patent oyster]

Its based on the "full weapon" configuration

[surreal tundra]

Goddess I wish I found that guide to doing permet markings before dkdnngg

[surreal tundra]

Mm mm

[small stone]

Ludlow?

[patent oyster]

Etsujin far outperforms ludlow

Especially two of em

[surreal tundra]

Or the Vientos
Weirdly the Nightmarish Fodder turns them into singleshot/"press the button for each shot" guns, all the pistols
Which makes them unusable for me cuz that's owie

[surreal tundra]

Really?

[patent oyster]

Also this is basically my NG+ build lol

[patent oyster]

Etsujin's projectile speed might be lower, but their impact, damage, and direct hit adjustment are insane

Could also go for coquillettes if you're going up close

And dont mind semi auto

[cursive agate]

I think this could work (and uses Playthrough 1 parts?). Double Morley blast mauls the stagger meter. Ideally chunking, and landing another blast/Etsujin to stagger break into charged Pile Bunker slide.

[patent oyster]

Im not sure if they know how to pile slide

[small stone]

I don’t have Morley

[cursive agate]

Ah damn

[patent oyster]

Use earshot then

Always fly up and aim downwards though

Since the earshot projectile is relatively small and fast, and can miss aerial targets

[cursive agate]

I'll give this a shot with songbirds to see how it handles at close ranges

[patent oyster]

Wait actually

Charged FASAN could be good

Since plasmas have PA interference

[surreal tundra]

Fair enough

[patent oyster]

Honestly there are a lot of weapon combinations that could work

[cursive agate]

Mmm, the windup and burst fire of Songbirds make them a mid-range/even more punish focused option. Reminding me why I stopped using them.

[patent oyster]

Its mainly learning the attack patterns that id personally focus on

Because once you can dodge most attacks, then you can focus on counterattacking

[surreal tundra]

Well none of my pistols are even semi-auto anymore, Weirdly, so I can't use it anyways, sadly
Maybe when I update to the latest version it'll fix itself
*am on nightmarish fodder for 1.05 I think

[surreal tundra]

Pretty much, yeah

That's the general flow of things- since you'd know when you can punish or when hitting them gives you a window

[patent oyster]

All enemies have an attack pattern

To gain mastery, you must learn the tells of the beginning of an attack

This is why nightfall is such an effective midgame skill check, his input reading essentially means that if you're predictable, he'll punish you

And thats a trick players should also apply to bosses

[cursive agate]

ough i'm really beefing it without tetrapod stability to eat melee hits

really not feeling Etujin either with just x1

[patent oyster]

Like with all SMGs, one etsujin isnt great

But two is

If you want one weapon, its much more efficient to go for a rifle (normal, laser, plasma, or linear)

[cursive agate]

Yea, that's why I still use Pulse Guns despite the ammo issues in 1v1 battles

[patent oyster]

4 pulse guns with VE20B is great though

Since pulse bubble guns scale off EN weapon spec

[serene kettle]

So I was on a kick taking on final bosses with the chainsaw meme build because Why Not?

so I decided to go for the other final boss and then the other super special secret NG++ true final boss

The other normal final boss I just kind of deleted

The other...took about ten tries but I did pull it off

[patent oyster]

||waltuh|| is just a regular ass no frills AC fight

I understand it thematically

But even ||rusty|| had two phases

[serene kettle]

Kind of. Fucker's generator stats are jacked and the tracking with those coral weapons is some bullshit

but also if you can corner them they melt

[cursive agate]

This setup went better than expected against Ayer, near non-stop Attache fire to pressure, firing both pods when locked (regular missiles have really good tracking duration), and timing stagger breaks for Basho Pilebunker.

Pulse Armor to break out of stagger early/"I'm in danger" moments.

[patent oyster]

This is basically the setup i was thinking of except with auroras to help build stagger

[patent oyster]

From my experience, you can interrupt the big beam sweeps with high impact weapons

Like straight up stopping the animation from finishing

[serene kettle]

Often, yes!

[patent oyster]

@serene kettle

[serene kettle]

this becomes significantly harder when you are in fact not carrying any direct fire weapons that aren't THESE GUNS 💪

definitely probably the easiest final boss still though

||Probably because the real final boss was the Balteus rematch||

I should try that with meme lumberjack build but, uh. I actually am unsure how I'd get to it with Lumberjack

mostly because of ||the smart cleaner||

[cursive agate]

I think it sucks the most for energy focused builds, or just the way I fight/build meshing poorly with that one boss.

[patent oyster]

Use another build to get to it, die intentionally, then swap assembly

[serene kettle]

I mean, sure, but that feels like cheating somehow? It shouldn't, but does.

[patent oyster]

Eh, you're trying to beat that specific boss with that build

Not the level

Now if you said "i want to try Destroy the Drive Block with Lumberjack"

That would be different

[serene kettle]

I will say that I think I've got a lot better at the last phase of the true final boss from this experience

before I kind of just relied on alpha striking it to force a stagger and cancel

But that's not really viable with Lumberjack so instead I had to actually go for consistent dodges

"Parrying" it with assault armor is still really frickin' cool though.

[cursive agate]

Woof, I was apparently away/asleep when Flugel boosters got buffed with 2nd best Melee Attack Thrust (12'335).

[serene kettle]

Right?

[quasi copper]

https://youtu.be/pZ6oIZQie4g

[serene kettle]

Okay I give up

fuck this fight

||Smart Cleaner|| actually went fine, but that fucker is just pure bullshit RNG

It's a complete crapshoot whether the chainsaw actually does damage or whiffs completely even against a stagger

and about half the time I don't even get to attack because he just decides he wants his pulse shield back after 0.2 seconds

it isn't even a skill issue, I can dodge this guy's attacks for half an hour straight, but I run out of shoulder ammo depleting the pulse shield repeatedly and then I'm stuck chasing him around trying to punch him down and hoping that maybe I can actually do damage in the next split second of vulnerability to his actual HP bar.

[surreal tundra]

How good/useful are they now?

[patent oyster]

Chainsaw hitbox issues strike again

[serene kettle]

I don't have a problem landing it against ACs. Balteus just has that big ring that prevents you from getting close enough to not hit empty air from most angles

though also it's still a crapshoot from the back, so...

basically guaranteed whiff from the front though

[patent oyster]

Genuine question, would it be more effective to just rev the chainsaw and stick to him like glue

Since chainsaw revving does damage

[serene kettle]

Short answer no, because you aren't allowed to stick to him like glue

he will disappear to the other side of the arena in half a second if you're too close for too long

[patent oyster]

Nah i mean after you stun

Instead of trying to chainsaw him properly

[serene kettle]

It won't do any damage

[patent oyster]

It does do damage though

[serene kettle]

I mean sure it does, when the hitbox connects

therein lies the issue

[patent oyster]

But honestly without a poke weapon or anything with high impact, i dont know what else you can do with that build

[serene kettle]

yeah that's why I said "fuck this" and stopped

[patent oyster]

Jav beta is best at mid-close range against enemies that are approaching you

[serene kettle]

Jav Beta actually helps a lot with whittling down that pulse shield

but it runs out of ammo after a while and when my attempts to go for a killshot whiff half the time...

it might unironically be easier if I just purged the chainsaw and punched with both hands

punches seem to connect consistently, even if the damage isn't great

[patent oyster]

its possible to clear ||ayre|| with dual etsujins dual auroras

[surreal tundra]

Tangent but wow the stagger build on dual etsujins

I just wish I could use the vientos like I used to lmao

Updating to a later version is my only hope

*also I prefer how the vientos look over the etsujins

[shell nymph]

etsujins are fuckin hilarious in pvp now

[surreal tundra]

Are the Vientos nearly as good or-?

Style wise- aaaaa

[shell nymph]

they’re still solid ime

[surreal tundra]

Good, cuz I prefer their style lmao

[shell nymph]

personally i’m a 150 spec laser pistol goblin so i don’t have a ton of experience

[surreal tundra]

Mm mm

Laser pistols XD

Oooh

[shell nymph]

laser pistols and dual plasma missiles are uhh very good

[surreal tundra]

Pack a Moonlight lmao

And then an aurora

All that 150 spec put to use lmao

[shell nymph]

no i don’t need stagger i just outdamage everyone

[surreal tundra]

And then basho arms- for boosting moonlight

[shell nymph]

move faster than bullets and win in style

[surreal tundra]

Oh I was admittedly more thinking how I would build with dual laser pistols now

Nxcnx

XD

[shell nymph]

fair my build is far from optimal

[surreal tundra]

Tbf iunno if mine is optimal either, I just wanna use that 150 EN spec djfng

[shell nymph]

i feel bad stagger locking some poor guy to death with the slicer

[shell nymph]

yeah the 150 is reaaaaally nice

wish you could change the color tho, i want to use coral missiles but the drip doesn’t work

[surreal tundra]

Ah well yknow?

On the other hand,

[patent oyster]

dual etsujin + 6 cell + pile clears slightly faster

i am using melander c3 arms here tho so, could probably go faster with basho

[surreal tundra]

Both back equips are lightwave weapons or- forgot the word for it lmao
So they're the same color at least,
While the laser pistols are blue so-
Fuuun

[shell nymph]

damn that’s solid gameplay

[shell nymph]

the light blue are pulse weapons yeah?

[surreal tundra]

Goddess I love the ||SOLs||, get them at AC scale and lose none of the performance and that's practically a NEXT lmao,
Or at least in theory you could probs pilot it like one

[surreal tundra]

Pulse weapons are- teal? A bit more green

[patent oyster]

its because i have steel haze (where truths meet) playing in the background

+10 skill buff

[shell nymph]

TRUE

[surreal tundra]

Lightwave weapons are between that green-ish teal ad the blue of laser weapons, cuz they fuse both IIRC

Music buff UwU

[shell nymph]

i listen to tanc a lelek or rush and that straight up got me through the act 4 boss fight

[patent oyster]

@small stone for reference

this is what i mean by dodging under the blade swings

[surreal tundra]

Could also jump- I think either reflex could work- I thiiiink?

[patent oyster]

jumps work

i jumped in the prior clip

but i find that dodging under works for all legs, especially in pior patches when jump height wasnt buffed

[shell nymph]

with RJs it’s pretty ez but i don’t find it very consistent

dodging forward and opposite the swing will clear you 100%

[patent oyster]

the jump timing is a lot more finicky because her blade swings come from up high

so she could catch you

[shell nymph]

if you have nachts and time it properly you can super do it

that’s how i got it done the first time

[surreal tundra]

Mm, makes sense

[shell nymph]

the NG++ boss is when i found more use for jumps tbh

[surreal tundra]

Fair, tho it hink I ended up going pretty high for both fights lmao

[shell nymph]

oh yeah for half those fights i was fuckin up there

the pinecones can’t get me if i’m ten thousand feet above them

[polar osprey]

I beat her with dual viento's and the knife which was less fun

Fucked up looking dude solo's

[patent oyster]

i also have a similar build

[shell nymph]

incredibly based build

[shell nymph]

i like my jumps so i run the nacht legs but the drip goes hard

[patent oyster]

sunset mirage is one of my prettiest builds ngl

[shell nymph]

this isn’t what i run with now but the core parts are the same i think

[patent oyster]

and heres my ||ayre|| clear with it

[polar osprey]

It's callled Nuclear Whiplash and it's my funniest clown

I beat ||Walter, Ayre and Allmind||(AC6 endings spoilers) with it

The color scheme is based on the yellow and black nuclear warning signs as well as the blue being based on Cherenkov radiation

[shell nymph]

that’s sick as shit

my beautiful zero gravitas fuckin wiped || waltuh || off the map it was kinda sad

[polar osprey]

It's tuned for max speed while being viable weapons wise

394 speed which is hella nice

[shell nymph]

GODDAMN

[polar osprey]

Absolutely zooms around

[shell nymph]

i can get like 380 tops

[patent oyster]

mine has 399

unreasonably high

i really dont need that much

[shell nymph]

it’s because i’m stubborn and refuse to change my weapons or parts for style reasons

[polar osprey]

I could have it higher

[shell nymph]

i like being a bird mech

[polar osprey]

But i prioritized function

So i went with the Alula boosters

[shell nymph]

i can’t use anything but alula

[polar osprey]

Instead of that other one which has better speed

[shell nymph]

i feel like there’s a certain point where speed stops mattering as much

[polar osprey]

I could get past 400 but it would sacrifice function too much

[shell nymph]

it’s why i’m satisfied with ~385

[patent oyster]

that point is around 370 iirc

[polar osprey]

394 is purely for flex

[patent oyster]

its either 370 or 380

[shell nymph]

yeah 370 up to 380 is more noticeable

after that it just doesn’t matter they won’t be able to hit you

[polar osprey]

Nuclear Whiplash was conceptually based on the NEXT's of ACFA

So speed was the most important conceptual factor

Trying to match the speed or armor of a NEXT with an AC is futile

But i still wanted to try

[shell nymph]

i kinda want to try a heavier build but i get repulsed every time

[polar osprey]

my attempt at mimicking the armor and firepower of a NEXT resulted in Aperture Momentum